<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_13_1331224</id>
	<title>State of Alabama Fighting NASA's New Plan</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1266073140000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>FleaPlus writes <i>"Alabama politicians have formed a 'task force' dedicated to <a href="http://www.whnt.com/news/whnt-mayor-press-conference,0,7749547.story">fighting NASA's new plans</a> to cancel the costly Constellation/Ares program, which is largely based in Alabama. The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies. NASA's new boosted budget <a href="http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1377">revives formerly suppressed R&amp;D efforts</a> into critical technologies needed for a sustainable push towards <a href="http://buzzaldrin.com/statement-from-buzz-aldrin-a-new-direction-in-space/">Mars and intermediate waypoint destinations</a>, works with (instead of trying to compete with) existing commercial rockets to transport cargo/crew to orbit, and funds a stream of robotic precursor missions to scout other worlds and demonstrate new technologies. The Alabama task force fighting the new plan includes former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and former Ares project manager Steve Cook."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>FleaPlus writes " Alabama politicians have formed a 'task force ' dedicated to fighting NASA 's new plans to cancel the costly Constellation/Ares program , which is largely based in Alabama .
The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies .
NASA 's new boosted budget revives formerly suppressed R&amp;D efforts into critical technologies needed for a sustainable push towards Mars and intermediate waypoint destinations , works with ( instead of trying to compete with ) existing commercial rockets to transport cargo/crew to orbit , and funds a stream of robotic precursor missions to scout other worlds and demonstrate new technologies .
The Alabama task force fighting the new plan includes former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and former Ares project manager Steve Cook .
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<sentencetext>FleaPlus writes "Alabama politicians have formed a 'task force' dedicated to fighting NASA's new plans to cancel the costly Constellation/Ares program, which is largely based in Alabama.
The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies.
NASA's new boosted budget revives formerly suppressed R&amp;D efforts into critical technologies needed for a sustainable push towards Mars and intermediate waypoint destinations, works with (instead of trying to compete with) existing commercial rockets to transport cargo/crew to orbit, and funds a stream of robotic precursor missions to scout other worlds and demonstrate new technologies.
The Alabama task force fighting the new plan includes former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and former Ares project manager Steve Cook.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128592</id>
	<title>Nasa has a much better plan for the USA</title>
	<author>Bragador</author>
	<datestamp>1266088860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, fear not. All is going to be well. <a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nasa\_scientists\_plan\_to\_approach" title="theonion.com">http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nasa\_scientists\_plan\_to\_approach</a> [theonion.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , fear not .
All is going to be well .
http : //www.theonion.com/content/video/nasa \ _scientists \ _plan \ _to \ _approach [ theonion.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, fear not.
All is going to be well.
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nasa\_scientists\_plan\_to\_approach [theonion.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127708</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1266082380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>You know what creates jobs? Small business. The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses. And what is the enemy of small business?<br></i><br>Big Business?  Healthcare costs?  Under-expanding?  Over-expanding?  Lack of a certain skill?  Unfair foreign competition?  Lack of access to loans to expand?  Key people leaving?<br><i><br>Taxes.<br></i><br>Err.. OK.  I've been in several small businesses over the years, and the number one thing they worry about sure as hell isn't taxes.  It's on the radar of course, but who doesn't like to complain about taxes?  Any business that sits around and worries about taxes is already a very successful business to worry about such small scale issues.  If you want to help small business, you probably shouldn't start with one of the things of least concern.  I'm really tired of the same-old-same-old line from the Republican party that "if we just lower taxes, that'll fix everything!".  So here we are with a far lower tax rate than we had during the 90s, and the economy is in the shitter.  How many times do you have to do the same thing which doesn't work to realize it's not working?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what creates jobs ?
Small business .
The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses .
And what is the enemy of small business ? Big Business ?
Healthcare costs ?
Under-expanding ? Over-expanding ?
Lack of a certain skill ?
Unfair foreign competition ?
Lack of access to loans to expand ?
Key people leaving ? Taxes.Err.. OK. I 've been in several small businesses over the years , and the number one thing they worry about sure as hell is n't taxes .
It 's on the radar of course , but who does n't like to complain about taxes ?
Any business that sits around and worries about taxes is already a very successful business to worry about such small scale issues .
If you want to help small business , you probably should n't start with one of the things of least concern .
I 'm really tired of the same-old-same-old line from the Republican party that " if we just lower taxes , that 'll fix everything ! " .
So here we are with a far lower tax rate than we had during the 90s , and the economy is in the shitter .
How many times do you have to do the same thing which does n't work to realize it 's not working ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what creates jobs?
Small business.
The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses.
And what is the enemy of small business?Big Business?
Healthcare costs?
Under-expanding?  Over-expanding?
Lack of a certain skill?
Unfair foreign competition?
Lack of access to loans to expand?
Key people leaving?Taxes.Err.. OK.  I've been in several small businesses over the years, and the number one thing they worry about sure as hell isn't taxes.
It's on the radar of course, but who doesn't like to complain about taxes?
Any business that sits around and worries about taxes is already a very successful business to worry about such small scale issues.
If you want to help small business, you probably shouldn't start with one of the things of least concern.
I'm really tired of the same-old-same-old line from the Republican party that "if we just lower taxes, that'll fix everything!".
So here we are with a far lower tax rate than we had during the 90s, and the economy is in the shitter.
How many times do you have to do the same thing which doesn't work to realize it's not working?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128116</id>
	<title>Re:Nasa needs a reboot</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1266085500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Like most federal government, NASA needs a reboot, </p></div><p>Of course, since it worked for Start Trek, it will work for NASA. Why didn't we see that when we saw the movie?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like most federal government , NASA needs a reboot , Of course , since it worked for Start Trek , it will work for NASA .
Why did n't we see that when we saw the movie ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like most federal government, NASA needs a reboot, Of course, since it worked for Start Trek, it will work for NASA.
Why didn't we see that when we saw the movie?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31137158</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1266142800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Judging by moderation of my parent post - apparently not, indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Judging by moderation of my parent post - apparently not , indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judging by moderation of my parent post - apparently not, indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31135696</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266174960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go home, Yankee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go home , Yankee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go home, Yankee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31129518</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1266052860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do they teach the concepts of irony and satire in schools in Alabama?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they teach the concepts of irony and satire in schools in Alabama ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they teach the concepts of irony and satire in schools in Alabama?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31129960</id>
	<title>Hostage</title>
	<author>b4upoo</author>
	<datestamp>1266056100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>       Perhaps some brilliant strategy will emerge such as holding health care reform hostage unless they get what they want. Then again if they don't play nice perhaps the administration could cut down a few more projects in Alabama. Closing a military base or two might get their attention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps some brilliant strategy will emerge such as holding health care reform hostage unless they get what they want .
Then again if they do n't play nice perhaps the administration could cut down a few more projects in Alabama .
Closing a military base or two might get their attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>       Perhaps some brilliant strategy will emerge such as holding health care reform hostage unless they get what they want.
Then again if they don't play nice perhaps the administration could cut down a few more projects in Alabama.
Closing a military base or two might get their attention.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31132028</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork in Alabama</title>
	<author>turkeyfish</author>
	<datestamp>1266077160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Your pork is another citizen's investment for the future."</p><p>Not always.  As Senator Shelby demonstrated, his pork is a gift to a european defense contractor under the guise of providing a few in Alabama with jobs at the expense of other Americans, who need the money be spent on things other than supporting European bankers who are heavily invested in EADS and want the US taxpayer to bail them out too.  Another classic case of republican economics in action.</p><p>I've written my senators demanding that they place a hold on all bills that send pork to Alabama for this purpose.  You should too, unless of course, you live in Alabama.  In that case you can send a letter to Senator Shelby thanking him for his efforts on behalf of foreign defense contractors and why you think its great that the US government will now be saving a lot of money by killing these pork projects.</p><p>No wonder the GOP is so actively courting the tea-bag movement.  They need them to keep pumping money to foreigners who are actively encouraging their borrow and spend philosophy of government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Your pork is another citizen 's investment for the future .
" Not always .
As Senator Shelby demonstrated , his pork is a gift to a european defense contractor under the guise of providing a few in Alabama with jobs at the expense of other Americans , who need the money be spent on things other than supporting European bankers who are heavily invested in EADS and want the US taxpayer to bail them out too .
Another classic case of republican economics in action.I 've written my senators demanding that they place a hold on all bills that send pork to Alabama for this purpose .
You should too , unless of course , you live in Alabama .
In that case you can send a letter to Senator Shelby thanking him for his efforts on behalf of foreign defense contractors and why you think its great that the US government will now be saving a lot of money by killing these pork projects.No wonder the GOP is so actively courting the tea-bag movement .
They need them to keep pumping money to foreigners who are actively encouraging their borrow and spend philosophy of government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Your pork is another citizen's investment for the future.
"Not always.
As Senator Shelby demonstrated, his pork is a gift to a european defense contractor under the guise of providing a few in Alabama with jobs at the expense of other Americans, who need the money be spent on things other than supporting European bankers who are heavily invested in EADS and want the US taxpayer to bail them out too.
Another classic case of republican economics in action.I've written my senators demanding that they place a hold on all bills that send pork to Alabama for this purpose.
You should too, unless of course, you live in Alabama.
In that case you can send a letter to Senator Shelby thanking him for his efforts on behalf of foreign defense contractors and why you think its great that the US government will now be saving a lot of money by killing these pork projects.No wonder the GOP is so actively courting the tea-bag movement.
They need them to keep pumping money to foreigners who are actively encouraging their borrow and spend philosophy of government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128030</id>
	<title>Hypo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266084960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give trillions to the bankers for nothing in return.. and then, cut a couple of billion from NASA to make-up for the trillions lost..</p><p>I should've been a banker, lawyer, or politician... naaaa, I have a conscience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give trillions to the bankers for nothing in return.. and then , cut a couple of billion from NASA to make-up for the trillions lost..I should 've been a banker , lawyer , or politician... naaaa , I have a conscience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give trillions to the bankers for nothing in return.. and then, cut a couple of billion from NASA to make-up for the trillions lost..I should've been a banker, lawyer, or politician... naaaa, I have a conscience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31143966</id>
	<title>Re:Pork?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266249180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Alabama's representatives are doing exactly what they should be doing, fighting for their piece of the pie.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yup, exactly right, but that's not the point.  The issue is the hypocrisy of those on both sides of the aisle who shake one fist as they decry the practice while holding out the other hand to accept the money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alabama 's representatives are doing exactly what they should be doing , fighting for their piece of the pie.Yup , exactly right , but that 's not the point .
The issue is the hypocrisy of those on both sides of the aisle who shake one fist as they decry the practice while holding out the other hand to accept the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alabama's representatives are doing exactly what they should be doing, fighting for their piece of the pie.Yup, exactly right, but that's not the point.
The issue is the hypocrisy of those on both sides of the aisle who shake one fist as they decry the practice while holding out the other hand to accept the money.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128344</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266087060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a small business owner/ independent contractor, I can vouch for that. Taxes, while they may suck, is not the major issue right now. The problem I have is finding new clients, while *continuing* to spend money on marketing. And the same thing is happening to the people on top, etc, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a small business owner/ independent contractor , I can vouch for that .
Taxes , while they may suck , is not the major issue right now .
The problem I have is finding new clients , while * continuing * to spend money on marketing .
And the same thing is happening to the people on top , etc , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a small business owner/ independent contractor, I can vouch for that.
Taxes, while they may suck, is not the major issue right now.
The problem I have is finding new clients, while *continuing* to spend money on marketing.
And the same thing is happening to the people on top, etc, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127694</id>
	<title>AASA</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1266082320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>States rights seem to be popular on this board. I'm not sure why-- I'm not particularly inclined to trust "those idiots down in Richmond" over "those idiots down in Washington." But perhaps the states could fill a void and start up space exploration programs of their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>States rights seem to be popular on this board .
I 'm not sure why-- I 'm not particularly inclined to trust " those idiots down in Richmond " over " those idiots down in Washington .
" But perhaps the states could fill a void and start up space exploration programs of their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>States rights seem to be popular on this board.
I'm not sure why-- I'm not particularly inclined to trust "those idiots down in Richmond" over "those idiots down in Washington.
" But perhaps the states could fill a void and start up space exploration programs of their own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127402</id>
	<title>Widespread opposition to a vacuous plan</title>
	<author>amightywind</author>
	<datestamp>1266080280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is only the beginning. There is widespread opposition to Obama's vacuous plan. America doesn't want to it's space legacy of the past 50 years in the hands of neophyte startups like SpaceX.</p><p>The headline ridicules this task force but has nothing to say about the Bolsheviks in the Augustine commission. Constellation was so "chronically mismanaged" that Ares 1X flew successfully as planed! How's that SpaceX Falcon 9 coming?</p><p>Like Obama's policy on Gitmo, Muslim Terror, the economy, Healthcare, etc., this new NASA policy is destined to go down in flames. It is 2 years 10 months and counting until Obama's administration blows up on the pad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is only the beginning .
There is widespread opposition to Obama 's vacuous plan .
America does n't want to it 's space legacy of the past 50 years in the hands of neophyte startups like SpaceX.The headline ridicules this task force but has nothing to say about the Bolsheviks in the Augustine commission .
Constellation was so " chronically mismanaged " that Ares 1X flew successfully as planed !
How 's that SpaceX Falcon 9 coming ? Like Obama 's policy on Gitmo , Muslim Terror , the economy , Healthcare , etc. , this new NASA policy is destined to go down in flames .
It is 2 years 10 months and counting until Obama 's administration blows up on the pad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is only the beginning.
There is widespread opposition to Obama's vacuous plan.
America doesn't want to it's space legacy of the past 50 years in the hands of neophyte startups like SpaceX.The headline ridicules this task force but has nothing to say about the Bolsheviks in the Augustine commission.
Constellation was so "chronically mismanaged" that Ares 1X flew successfully as planed!
How's that SpaceX Falcon 9 coming?Like Obama's policy on Gitmo, Muslim Terror, the economy, Healthcare, etc., this new NASA policy is destined to go down in flames.
It is 2 years 10 months and counting until Obama's administration blows up on the pad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128034</id>
	<title>PORK Alert</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1266085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't matter if the new approach represents a better use of funds, PORK is at stake. Fighting for PORK is the work of True Patriots. Taking PORK away is the work of Godless Commie Terrorists. Please think of the Children. The CHILDREN!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't matter if the new approach represents a better use of funds , PORK is at stake .
Fighting for PORK is the work of True Patriots .
Taking PORK away is the work of Godless Commie Terrorists .
Please think of the Children .
The CHILDREN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't matter if the new approach represents a better use of funds, PORK is at stake.
Fighting for PORK is the work of True Patriots.
Taking PORK away is the work of Godless Commie Terrorists.
Please think of the Children.
The CHILDREN!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128138</id>
	<title>What a coincidence...</title>
	<author>Obyron</author>
	<datestamp>1266085680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Alabama is the home of US Senator Richard Shelby, who is currently <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/02/07/2010-02-07\_abuse\_of\_process.html" title="nydailynews.com">single-handedly holding all of President Obama's nominations hostage for pork-barrel earmarks to his home state.</a> [nydailynews.com] Let the retaliation begin!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alabama is the home of US Senator Richard Shelby , who is currently single-handedly holding all of President Obama 's nominations hostage for pork-barrel earmarks to his home state .
[ nydailynews.com ] Let the retaliation begin !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alabama is the home of US Senator Richard Shelby, who is currently single-handedly holding all of President Obama's nominations hostage for pork-barrel earmarks to his home state.
[nydailynews.com] Let the retaliation begin!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31129034</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>volkris</author>
	<datestamp>1266092340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The economy is not the static thing--the state function--that politicians like to pretend it is. You can't lower taxes, see what happens, and then fiddle with them again.</p><p>Right now we have lowish taxes but the real possibility of significant tax hikes in the near future. The economy is taking that uncertainty into account, so the low tax situation of the moment is confounded. On the other hand, there are plenty of examples of lowered taxes leading to economic boosts. Take Bush's "tax cuts for the wealthy" which lowered taxes for a lot of businesses and (as has been verified) directly encouraged hiring and economic gains.</p><p>So how many times do you have to do the same thing to realize it's not working? Well first you have to ignore the evidence that it is...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The economy is not the static thing--the state function--that politicians like to pretend it is .
You ca n't lower taxes , see what happens , and then fiddle with them again.Right now we have lowish taxes but the real possibility of significant tax hikes in the near future .
The economy is taking that uncertainty into account , so the low tax situation of the moment is confounded .
On the other hand , there are plenty of examples of lowered taxes leading to economic boosts .
Take Bush 's " tax cuts for the wealthy " which lowered taxes for a lot of businesses and ( as has been verified ) directly encouraged hiring and economic gains.So how many times do you have to do the same thing to realize it 's not working ?
Well first you have to ignore the evidence that it is.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The economy is not the static thing--the state function--that politicians like to pretend it is.
You can't lower taxes, see what happens, and then fiddle with them again.Right now we have lowish taxes but the real possibility of significant tax hikes in the near future.
The economy is taking that uncertainty into account, so the low tax situation of the moment is confounded.
On the other hand, there are plenty of examples of lowered taxes leading to economic boosts.
Take Bush's "tax cuts for the wealthy" which lowered taxes for a lot of businesses and (as has been verified) directly encouraged hiring and economic gains.So how many times do you have to do the same thing to realize it's not working?
Well first you have to ignore the evidence that it is...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127460</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266080520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way to be a douchebag, faggot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to be a douchebag , faggot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to be a douchebag, faggot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31130674</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1266062220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So? Comparing Huntsville to most of the rest of Alabama is rather like comparing New York City to upstate New York. That is to say: they don't compare.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
Comparing Huntsville to most of the rest of Alabama is rather like comparing New York City to upstate New York .
That is to say : they do n't compare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
Comparing Huntsville to most of the rest of Alabama is rather like comparing New York City to upstate New York.
That is to say: they don't compare.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128296</id>
	<title>The only hope for NASA</title>
	<author>p51d007</author>
	<datestamp>1266086640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is to kick it out of government, and put it into the hands of private business.

NASA, as with ANY government agency, does not have to be "concerned" about being a lean, mean, efficient agency.
Why should they worry about being efficient?  It's a government agency, with an "unlimited" budget.
Bloated, short sighted, lacking in any oversight(for the most part), NASA is lost.  Their only concern is as with any
government agency.  Making sure they spend their entire budget (if not more) just to make sure they can come back
next year and ask for the same amount if not more.
NASA lost its way after they landed on the moon.  After that, they gave up on a PERFECT rocket, the Saturn, and instead
of pushing on for Mars, they thought the shuttle would be the end all.  Now that they found the moon, now what?  Lets just
circle the earth for 30 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>is to kick it out of government , and put it into the hands of private business .
NASA , as with ANY government agency , does not have to be " concerned " about being a lean , mean , efficient agency .
Why should they worry about being efficient ?
It 's a government agency , with an " unlimited " budget .
Bloated , short sighted , lacking in any oversight ( for the most part ) , NASA is lost .
Their only concern is as with any government agency .
Making sure they spend their entire budget ( if not more ) just to make sure they can come back next year and ask for the same amount if not more .
NASA lost its way after they landed on the moon .
After that , they gave up on a PERFECT rocket , the Saturn , and instead of pushing on for Mars , they thought the shuttle would be the end all .
Now that they found the moon , now what ?
Lets just circle the earth for 30 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is to kick it out of government, and put it into the hands of private business.
NASA, as with ANY government agency, does not have to be "concerned" about being a lean, mean, efficient agency.
Why should they worry about being efficient?
It's a government agency, with an "unlimited" budget.
Bloated, short sighted, lacking in any oversight(for the most part), NASA is lost.
Their only concern is as with any
government agency.
Making sure they spend their entire budget (if not more) just to make sure they can come back
next year and ask for the same amount if not more.
NASA lost its way after they landed on the moon.
After that, they gave up on a PERFECT rocket, the Saturn, and instead
of pushing on for Mars, they thought the shuttle would be the end all.
Now that they found the moon, now what?
Lets just
circle the earth for 30 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127438</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>MurphyZero</author>
	<datestamp>1266080460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ares would likely be a very capable cargo carrier.  But as a human delivery system, it should not be used.  You pretty much need to use liquid engines for sending people to space.  You can use strap-on solids in conjunction with liquid engines; I wouldn't recommend it for safety reasons, but with an escape system the astronauts should be fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ares would likely be a very capable cargo carrier .
But as a human delivery system , it should not be used .
You pretty much need to use liquid engines for sending people to space .
You can use strap-on solids in conjunction with liquid engines ; I would n't recommend it for safety reasons , but with an escape system the astronauts should be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ares would likely be a very capable cargo carrier.
But as a human delivery system, it should not be used.
You pretty much need to use liquid engines for sending people to space.
You can use strap-on solids in conjunction with liquid engines; I wouldn't recommend it for safety reasons, but with an escape system the astronauts should be fine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31131924</id>
	<title>How many times?</title>
	<author>turkeyfish</author>
	<datestamp>1266075660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least one more time, since social security and medicare haven't been eliminated yet and there are still plenty of opportunities to play the war card, the true path to a bright future for the republican party and the rapture.</p><p>Just ask sister Sarah!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least one more time , since social security and medicare have n't been eliminated yet and there are still plenty of opportunities to play the war card , the true path to a bright future for the republican party and the rapture.Just ask sister Sarah !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least one more time, since social security and medicare haven't been eliminated yet and there are still plenty of opportunities to play the war card, the true path to a bright future for the republican party and the rapture.Just ask sister Sarah!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31130960</id>
	<title>No mail list</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266064920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My city wants to create a "no-mail list" so that people can sign up to stop receiving junk mail.</p><p>The very first story about it on the news interviewed several people who's entire job was to pack and sort all the crap that was sent out, who were of course very much opposed to such a list.</p><p>People will fight for their jobs, but when your occupation is doing something that no body wants/needs or doesn't make sense to do in the first place, it deserves to die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My city wants to create a " no-mail list " so that people can sign up to stop receiving junk mail.The very first story about it on the news interviewed several people who 's entire job was to pack and sort all the crap that was sent out , who were of course very much opposed to such a list.People will fight for their jobs , but when your occupation is doing something that no body wants/needs or does n't make sense to do in the first place , it deserves to die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My city wants to create a "no-mail list" so that people can sign up to stop receiving junk mail.The very first story about it on the news interviewed several people who's entire job was to pack and sort all the crap that was sent out, who were of course very much opposed to such a list.People will fight for their jobs, but when your occupation is doing something that no body wants/needs or doesn't make sense to do in the first place, it deserves to die.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127586</id>
	<title>Alabama is good at some things</title>
	<author>Your Anus</author>
	<datestamp>1266081480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will it involve spraying black people with firehoses? Because they know how to do that in Alabama.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will it involve spraying black people with firehoses ?
Because they know how to do that in Alabama .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will it involve spraying black people with firehoses?
Because they know how to do that in Alabama.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128464</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>flaming error</author>
	<datestamp>1266087960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By "I'd expect" do you mean "I'd want/demand"?  Fighting for jobs is well and good, but why not demand jobs that are non-porkish?<br>Why not fund jobs re-building crumbling infrastructure, or new energy tech, or space programs NASA actually wants?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By " I 'd expect " do you mean " I 'd want/demand " ?
Fighting for jobs is well and good , but why not demand jobs that are non-porkish ? Why not fund jobs re-building crumbling infrastructure , or new energy tech , or space programs NASA actually wants ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By "I'd expect" do you mean "I'd want/demand"?
Fighting for jobs is well and good, but why not demand jobs that are non-porkish?Why not fund jobs re-building crumbling infrastructure, or new energy tech, or space programs NASA actually wants?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127680</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1266082260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; It will be ugly, as pork barrel politics often get, but I believe, in the end, reason will prevail.</p><p>Have you actually been following US federal politics recently?  It sure doesn't seem like 'reason' is even allowed anywhere in the vicinty.  Hell, one side (R) seems intent on saying no even when the other side proposes starting with their own proposal (R's proposal).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; It will be ugly , as pork barrel politics often get , but I believe , in the end , reason will prevail.Have you actually been following US federal politics recently ?
It sure does n't seem like 'reason ' is even allowed anywhere in the vicinty .
Hell , one side ( R ) seems intent on saying no even when the other side proposes starting with their own proposal ( R 's proposal ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; It will be ugly, as pork barrel politics often get, but I believe, in the end, reason will prevail.Have you actually been following US federal politics recently?
It sure doesn't seem like 'reason' is even allowed anywhere in the vicinty.
Hell, one side (R) seems intent on saying no even when the other side proposes starting with their own proposal (R's proposal).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128042</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It maybe pork but it's also jobs and I'd expect my representatives to fight like hell for jobs in this recession.</p></div><p>That has to be about the most idiotic statement I've read today.  Your right to vote should be revoked for stupidity.  I would bet, based on that statement, you're the kind of idiot who opens up a new credit card to pay off a maxxed out one, too, aren't you?  Thanks for making this country a worse place with your lack of common sense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It maybe pork but it 's also jobs and I 'd expect my representatives to fight like hell for jobs in this recession.That has to be about the most idiotic statement I 've read today .
Your right to vote should be revoked for stupidity .
I would bet , based on that statement , you 're the kind of idiot who opens up a new credit card to pay off a maxxed out one , too , are n't you ?
Thanks for making this country a worse place with your lack of common sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It maybe pork but it's also jobs and I'd expect my representatives to fight like hell for jobs in this recession.That has to be about the most idiotic statement I've read today.
Your right to vote should be revoked for stupidity.
I would bet, based on that statement, you're the kind of idiot who opens up a new credit card to pay off a maxxed out one, too, aren't you?
Thanks for making this country a worse place with your lack of common sense.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127756</id>
	<title>Read The Article Morons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266082800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Second To None Initiative is fighting *for* the future of the program -- not *fighting it* as the summary suggests!  Slashdot should be ashamed for posting this summary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Second To None Initiative is fighting * for * the future of the program -- not * fighting it * as the summary suggests !
Slashdot should be ashamed for posting this summary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Second To None Initiative is fighting *for* the future of the program -- not *fighting it* as the summary suggests!
Slashdot should be ashamed for posting this summary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31130852</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>dachshund</author>
	<datestamp>1266063780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You know what creates jobs? Small business. The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses. And what is the enemy of small business? Taxes. And what drives higher taxes? Pork.</i> </p><p>Taxes, schmaxes.  I'm a small business owner with 14 employees.  And clearly you are not.  If you were, you'd know that the overwhelming concern for any small business owner right now is healthcare costs.  Ours have gone up by double-digits for each of the past few years.  And it's not like we have an old, sick workforce --- our employees are mostly young, 20somethings who can drink Mountain Dew all day and still stay thin.</p><p>If this trend continues (and most people think it will) I can't see how I'm going to stay in business and still employ anyone (except in benefits-free Walmart style).  That's why I'm so amused when I hear people talking about healthcare reform and how it will bring "socialism", destroy the economy and all that.</p><p>Honestly, at this point I'd be willing to vote for Karl Marx's ghost if he could get my healthcare premium increases down to 5\% per year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what creates jobs ?
Small business .
The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses .
And what is the enemy of small business ?
Taxes. And what drives higher taxes ?
Pork. Taxes , schmaxes .
I 'm a small business owner with 14 employees .
And clearly you are not .
If you were , you 'd know that the overwhelming concern for any small business owner right now is healthcare costs .
Ours have gone up by double-digits for each of the past few years .
And it 's not like we have an old , sick workforce --- our employees are mostly young , 20somethings who can drink Mountain Dew all day and still stay thin.If this trend continues ( and most people think it will ) I ca n't see how I 'm going to stay in business and still employ anyone ( except in benefits-free Walmart style ) .
That 's why I 'm so amused when I hear people talking about healthcare reform and how it will bring " socialism " , destroy the economy and all that.Honestly , at this point I 'd be willing to vote for Karl Marx 's ghost if he could get my healthcare premium increases down to 5 \ % per year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what creates jobs?
Small business.
The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses.
And what is the enemy of small business?
Taxes. And what drives higher taxes?
Pork. Taxes, schmaxes.
I'm a small business owner with 14 employees.
And clearly you are not.
If you were, you'd know that the overwhelming concern for any small business owner right now is healthcare costs.
Ours have gone up by double-digits for each of the past few years.
And it's not like we have an old, sick workforce --- our employees are mostly young, 20somethings who can drink Mountain Dew all day and still stay thin.If this trend continues (and most people think it will) I can't see how I'm going to stay in business and still employ anyone (except in benefits-free Walmart style).
That's why I'm so amused when I hear people talking about healthcare reform and how it will bring "socialism", destroy the economy and all that.Honestly, at this point I'd be willing to vote for Karl Marx's ghost if he could get my healthcare premium increases down to 5\% per year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31130766</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1266063000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean "ironing" and "flat tire", don't you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean " ironing " and " flat tire " , do n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean "ironing" and "flat tire", don't you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31129576</id>
	<title>How is this modded funny?</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1266053220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah lets make fun of southerners, when we could just as easily look at the long story of blacks hating space spending.  I mean, if we're going to make fun of white people, let's have a look at the other side.</p><p><a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081129115539AABRPXx" title="yahoo.com">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081129115539AABRPXx</a> [yahoo.com]</p><p><a href="http://www.niggaknow.com/technology/white-people-dont-know-shit-about-space/" title="niggaknow.com">http://www.niggaknow.com/technology/white-people-dont-know-shit-about-space/</a> [niggaknow.com]</p><p><a href="http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080911165052AAbljAt" title="yahoo.com">http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080911165052AAbljAt</a> [yahoo.com]</p><p><a href="http://ericstoller.com/blog/2008/09/09/space-race-matters/" title="ericstoller.com">http://ericstoller.com/blog/2008/09/09/space-race-matters/</a> [ericstoller.com]</p><p>and it goes on and on...</p><p>and then you have Obama's own plan to cut NASA manned space flight and dole out bucks to the third world...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah lets make fun of southerners , when we could just as easily look at the long story of blacks hating space spending .
I mean , if we 're going to make fun of white people , let 's have a look at the other side.http : //answers.yahoo.com/question/index ? qid = 20081129115539AABRPXx [ yahoo.com ] http : //www.niggaknow.com/technology/white-people-dont-know-shit-about-space/ [ niggaknow.com ] http : //uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index ? qid = 20080911165052AAbljAt [ yahoo.com ] http : //ericstoller.com/blog/2008/09/09/space-race-matters/ [ ericstoller.com ] and it goes on and on...and then you have Obama 's own plan to cut NASA manned space flight and dole out bucks to the third world.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah lets make fun of southerners, when we could just as easily look at the long story of blacks hating space spending.
I mean, if we're going to make fun of white people, let's have a look at the other side.http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081129115539AABRPXx [yahoo.com]http://www.niggaknow.com/technology/white-people-dont-know-shit-about-space/ [niggaknow.com]http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080911165052AAbljAt [yahoo.com]http://ericstoller.com/blog/2008/09/09/space-race-matters/ [ericstoller.com]and it goes on and on...and then you have Obama's own plan to cut NASA manned space flight and dole out bucks to the third world...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128158</id>
	<title>Re:Widespread opposition to a vacuous plan</title>
	<author>Nyeerrmm</author>
	<datestamp>1266085800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about neophyte startups like ULA, a joint venture by Boeing and Lockheed, and of course Boeing proper.  Much of the new 'commercial' sector is going to be the same people as before, just acting through fixed-price rather than cost-plus contracts.</p><p>Comparing Ares 1X to Falcon 9 is foolish.  Falcon 9 is the potentially final vehicle, with a first and second stage.  Ares 1X was a 4-segment SRB (as opposed to the required 5-segment), a second stage mass simulator, and a Titan control system.  It was intended only as an aerodynamic test, and yet managed to cost as much as all of Space X's development combined.  A better analogy would be Ares 1X:Ares 1 as Falcon 1:Falcon 9, in terms of progression of technology.  And to answer your question, F9 is coming along quite well. Should see the first test flight in the next few months -- if it doesn't go off, we're fortunate because F9 isn't a single point of failure in this new plan, unlike Ares 1, and there are still other, completely separate vehicles in development that will be able to take up the slack.</p><p>Finally, Bolsheviks in the Augustine Commission??? Its socialist to want to privatize something??? Clearly I'm confused in my understanding of these words.</p><p>This plan is no less vacuous than the program of record, and has the advantage of having results that can be built off of within an administration -- if CxP were continued, it would just be at risk of being cancelled by the next administration change, and the one after that, and the one after that (no landing till the 2030s).  A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.  NASA hasn't managed to build a new vehicle using traditional contracting methods since the 1970s, it would be insanity to keep doing it this way.</p><p>Oh I see.  Just because Obama does it its wrong.  Now I get it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about neophyte startups like ULA , a joint venture by Boeing and Lockheed , and of course Boeing proper .
Much of the new 'commercial ' sector is going to be the same people as before , just acting through fixed-price rather than cost-plus contracts.Comparing Ares 1X to Falcon 9 is foolish .
Falcon 9 is the potentially final vehicle , with a first and second stage .
Ares 1X was a 4-segment SRB ( as opposed to the required 5-segment ) , a second stage mass simulator , and a Titan control system .
It was intended only as an aerodynamic test , and yet managed to cost as much as all of Space X 's development combined .
A better analogy would be Ares 1X : Ares 1 as Falcon 1 : Falcon 9 , in terms of progression of technology .
And to answer your question , F9 is coming along quite well .
Should see the first test flight in the next few months -- if it does n't go off , we 're fortunate because F9 is n't a single point of failure in this new plan , unlike Ares 1 , and there are still other , completely separate vehicles in development that will be able to take up the slack.Finally , Bolsheviks in the Augustine Commission ? ? ?
Its socialist to want to privatize something ? ? ?
Clearly I 'm confused in my understanding of these words.This plan is no less vacuous than the program of record , and has the advantage of having results that can be built off of within an administration -- if CxP were continued , it would just be at risk of being cancelled by the next administration change , and the one after that , and the one after that ( no landing till the 2030s ) .
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again , expecting different results .
NASA has n't managed to build a new vehicle using traditional contracting methods since the 1970s , it would be insanity to keep doing it this way.Oh I see .
Just because Obama does it its wrong .
Now I get it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about neophyte startups like ULA, a joint venture by Boeing and Lockheed, and of course Boeing proper.
Much of the new 'commercial' sector is going to be the same people as before, just acting through fixed-price rather than cost-plus contracts.Comparing Ares 1X to Falcon 9 is foolish.
Falcon 9 is the potentially final vehicle, with a first and second stage.
Ares 1X was a 4-segment SRB (as opposed to the required 5-segment), a second stage mass simulator, and a Titan control system.
It was intended only as an aerodynamic test, and yet managed to cost as much as all of Space X's development combined.
A better analogy would be Ares 1X:Ares 1 as Falcon 1:Falcon 9, in terms of progression of technology.
And to answer your question, F9 is coming along quite well.
Should see the first test flight in the next few months -- if it doesn't go off, we're fortunate because F9 isn't a single point of failure in this new plan, unlike Ares 1, and there are still other, completely separate vehicles in development that will be able to take up the slack.Finally, Bolsheviks in the Augustine Commission???
Its socialist to want to privatize something???
Clearly I'm confused in my understanding of these words.This plan is no less vacuous than the program of record, and has the advantage of having results that can be built off of within an administration -- if CxP were continued, it would just be at risk of being cancelled by the next administration change, and the one after that, and the one after that (no landing till the 2030s).
A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
NASA hasn't managed to build a new vehicle using traditional contracting methods since the 1970s, it would be insanity to keep doing it this way.Oh I see.
Just because Obama does it its wrong.
Now I get it!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31129786</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>twiddlingbits</author>
	<datestamp>1266054540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aries was supposed to be that "modular" concept. It tries to be too many things and does none of them well. The low to mid range Aires capability exists now so why not focus on the heavy lift version? Not to metion the vibration problems Aires has that would shake a crew to death and might even be worse than first thought.  Any Shuttle derived concept would have to be massively beefed up to handle a capsule and would also have to be certified as man-rated which is not an easy thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aries was supposed to be that " modular " concept .
It tries to be too many things and does none of them well .
The low to mid range Aires capability exists now so why not focus on the heavy lift version ?
Not to metion the vibration problems Aires has that would shake a crew to death and might even be worse than first thought .
Any Shuttle derived concept would have to be massively beefed up to handle a capsule and would also have to be certified as man-rated which is not an easy thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aries was supposed to be that "modular" concept.
It tries to be too many things and does none of them well.
The low to mid range Aires capability exists now so why not focus on the heavy lift version?
Not to metion the vibration problems Aires has that would shake a crew to death and might even be worse than first thought.
Any Shuttle derived concept would have to be massively beefed up to handle a capsule and would also have to be certified as man-rated which is not an easy thing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128838</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266090720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who was born and raised in alabama. I think your attempt at a joke was ridiculous. I also think it shows how classy of a person you are. Just go ahead and make fun of the same alabamians that got us to the moon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who was born and raised in alabama .
I think your attempt at a joke was ridiculous .
I also think it shows how classy of a person you are .
Just go ahead and make fun of the same alabamians that got us to the moon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who was born and raised in alabama.
I think your attempt at a joke was ridiculous.
I also think it shows how classy of a person you are.
Just go ahead and make fun of the same alabamians that got us to the moon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31132738</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266087000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why the hatred of the shuttle?  The shuttle showed us EXACTLY how to do it.  It was a very successful, actually existing program, instead of fantasy dreams.  Yes, children, it is a rocket, and it tragically blows up sometimes, and when that happens we work hard to improve the system.  If you can't handle that, that's ok, cowards need not apply to be astronauts.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The shuttle built the entire international space station and allowed us to develop techniques of construction in space, which is critical to eventual manned planetary exploration.  We had actually achieved the era of construction in space, and had it cancelled before our eyes because it offended the religious anti-science views of the former moron president.  Why are slashdot contributors not furious about the cancellation of the shuttle?</p><p>And now, since the shuttle replacement fig leaf constallation program is, qutie predictably, being cancelled, why is the shuttle STILL being cancelled?  What is the excuse for not continuing the shuttle program now that its replacement is being trashed?  Why have no manned space program when our program is successful, will cost nothing to develop since it already works, and has no risk of leaving us with no way to support the space station and further development of construction techniques in space?</p><p>Constallation was never anything but political cover for the cancellation of the shuttle, and you people on slashdot bought it hook line and sinker, and stupidly, you still do.  If it wasn't, then why was its budget way to small for success, obviously just some pork for Lousiana, the state that the then current nasa administrator moved to, where he got a cushy job at LSU?  A little pork money, coverup for cancelling the shuttle program, done.</p><p>We should be screaming our heads off that if the replacement programs are cancelled, we want our shuttle back.  Now.  And never again cancel the manned space program until the replacement vehicle is done, tested, working, proven, and superior.  Then shut down the fine old truck to space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hatred of the shuttle ?
The shuttle showed us EXACTLY how to do it .
It was a very successful , actually existing program , instead of fantasy dreams .
Yes , children , it is a rocket , and it tragically blows up sometimes , and when that happens we work hard to improve the system .
If you ca n't handle that , that 's ok , cowards need not apply to be astronauts .
    The shuttle built the entire international space station and allowed us to develop techniques of construction in space , which is critical to eventual manned planetary exploration .
We had actually achieved the era of construction in space , and had it cancelled before our eyes because it offended the religious anti-science views of the former moron president .
Why are slashdot contributors not furious about the cancellation of the shuttle ? And now , since the shuttle replacement fig leaf constallation program is , qutie predictably , being cancelled , why is the shuttle STILL being cancelled ?
What is the excuse for not continuing the shuttle program now that its replacement is being trashed ?
Why have no manned space program when our program is successful , will cost nothing to develop since it already works , and has no risk of leaving us with no way to support the space station and further development of construction techniques in space ? Constallation was never anything but political cover for the cancellation of the shuttle , and you people on slashdot bought it hook line and sinker , and stupidly , you still do .
If it was n't , then why was its budget way to small for success , obviously just some pork for Lousiana , the state that the then current nasa administrator moved to , where he got a cushy job at LSU ?
A little pork money , coverup for cancelling the shuttle program , done.We should be screaming our heads off that if the replacement programs are cancelled , we want our shuttle back .
Now. And never again cancel the manned space program until the replacement vehicle is done , tested , working , proven , and superior .
Then shut down the fine old truck to space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hatred of the shuttle?
The shuttle showed us EXACTLY how to do it.
It was a very successful, actually existing program, instead of fantasy dreams.
Yes, children, it is a rocket, and it tragically blows up sometimes, and when that happens we work hard to improve the system.
If you can't handle that, that's ok, cowards need not apply to be astronauts.
    The shuttle built the entire international space station and allowed us to develop techniques of construction in space, which is critical to eventual manned planetary exploration.
We had actually achieved the era of construction in space, and had it cancelled before our eyes because it offended the religious anti-science views of the former moron president.
Why are slashdot contributors not furious about the cancellation of the shuttle?And now, since the shuttle replacement fig leaf constallation program is, qutie predictably, being cancelled, why is the shuttle STILL being cancelled?
What is the excuse for not continuing the shuttle program now that its replacement is being trashed?
Why have no manned space program when our program is successful, will cost nothing to develop since it already works, and has no risk of leaving us with no way to support the space station and further development of construction techniques in space?Constallation was never anything but political cover for the cancellation of the shuttle, and you people on slashdot bought it hook line and sinker, and stupidly, you still do.
If it wasn't, then why was its budget way to small for success, obviously just some pork for Lousiana, the state that the then current nasa administrator moved to, where he got a cushy job at LSU?
A little pork money, coverup for cancelling the shuttle program, done.We should be screaming our heads off that if the replacement programs are cancelled, we want our shuttle back.
Now.  And never again cancel the manned space program until the replacement vehicle is done, tested, working, proven, and superior.
Then shut down the fine old truck to space.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127642</id>
	<title>Nasa needs a reboot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266081900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like most federal government, NASA needs a reboot, it's full of corruption from top to bottom.   Years of nepotism and minority set asides when hiring has the federal employees they have a bunch of unqualified crooks that are way more interested in getting paid rather than science.   While like all federal agencies, the contractors do all the heavy lifting, but don't get much done, because they hands are tied by the federal drones they work for, and under paid because most of the money the contractors should get is paid to the owners of the 8a firms they work for, or kicked back to members of congress election campaigns.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like most federal government , NASA needs a reboot , it 's full of corruption from top to bottom .
Years of nepotism and minority set asides when hiring has the federal employees they have a bunch of unqualified crooks that are way more interested in getting paid rather than science .
While like all federal agencies , the contractors do all the heavy lifting , but do n't get much done , because they hands are tied by the federal drones they work for , and under paid because most of the money the contractors should get is paid to the owners of the 8a firms they work for , or kicked back to members of congress election campaigns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like most federal government, NASA needs a reboot, it's full of corruption from top to bottom.
Years of nepotism and minority set asides when hiring has the federal employees they have a bunch of unqualified crooks that are way more interested in getting paid rather than science.
While like all federal agencies, the contractors do all the heavy lifting, but don't get much done, because they hands are tied by the federal drones they work for, and under paid because most of the money the contractors should get is paid to the owners of the 8a firms they work for, or kicked back to members of congress election campaigns.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127876</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous Cowpat</author>
	<datestamp>1266083700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you forgot to threaten to strangle them with all 3 of your hands...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you forgot to threaten to strangle them with all 3 of your hands.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you forgot to threaten to strangle them with all 3 of your hands...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128214</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266086100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's one town, in one county out of a few dozen or so.  Hardly representative of the state.</p><p>They seem to be improving, but NCLB test scores may not be indicative of actual scholastic progress. ( thoroughly covered elsewhere on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in the past)</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama#Education</p><p>And to be fair, the joke isn't just Alabama...  It's most of the South.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's one town , in one county out of a few dozen or so .
Hardly representative of the state.They seem to be improving , but NCLB test scores may not be indicative of actual scholastic progress .
( thoroughly covered elsewhere on / .
in the past ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama # EducationAnd to be fair , the joke is n't just Alabama... It 's most of the South .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's one town, in one county out of a few dozen or so.
Hardly representative of the state.They seem to be improving, but NCLB test scores may not be indicative of actual scholastic progress.
( thoroughly covered elsewhere on /.
in the past)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama#EducationAnd to be fair, the joke isn't just Alabama...  It's most of the South.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31131026</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1266065520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Your pork is another citizen's investment for the future."</i>
<br> <br>
Hogwash (pun intended). Pork is an investment in <i>someone else's</i> future.
<br> <br>
Let me explain what I mean. If a small community has some money, what will they do with it? Well, they might, for example, build a bridge over the river so they can get their crops to market faster and more easily.
<br> <br>
That's investment in one's future.
<br> <br>
If they give that money to government, government is going to spend it on crazy sh*t like building a huge bridge to an island in the middle of the Pacific, with only 30 people on it, that belongs to <b>some other state</b>.
<br> <br>
That's <b>not</b> investment in one's future.
<br> <br>
Government almost never invests wisely. Government spends money on garbage. Government doesn't do what <b>you</b> want it to do.
<br> <br>
If you want to invest in someone's future, then put some money in a savings account or other interest-bearing, conservative investment. Forget the pork.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Your pork is another citizen 's investment for the future .
" Hogwash ( pun intended ) .
Pork is an investment in someone else 's future .
Let me explain what I mean .
If a small community has some money , what will they do with it ?
Well , they might , for example , build a bridge over the river so they can get their crops to market faster and more easily .
That 's investment in one 's future .
If they give that money to government , government is going to spend it on crazy sh * t like building a huge bridge to an island in the middle of the Pacific , with only 30 people on it , that belongs to some other state .
That 's not investment in one 's future .
Government almost never invests wisely .
Government spends money on garbage .
Government does n't do what you want it to do .
If you want to invest in someone 's future , then put some money in a savings account or other interest-bearing , conservative investment .
Forget the pork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Your pork is another citizen's investment for the future.
"
 
Hogwash (pun intended).
Pork is an investment in someone else's future.
Let me explain what I mean.
If a small community has some money, what will they do with it?
Well, they might, for example, build a bridge over the river so they can get their crops to market faster and more easily.
That's investment in one's future.
If they give that money to government, government is going to spend it on crazy sh*t like building a huge bridge to an island in the middle of the Pacific, with only 30 people on it, that belongs to some other state.
That's not investment in one's future.
Government almost never invests wisely.
Government spends money on garbage.
Government doesn't do what you want it to do.
If you want to invest in someone's future, then put some money in a savings account or other interest-bearing, conservative investment.
Forget the pork.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127948</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1266084240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd expect you to place the genuine welfare of your country over that of yourself. "Creating or saving" jobs destroys jobs elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd expect you to place the genuine welfare of your country over that of yourself .
" Creating or saving " jobs destroys jobs elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd expect you to place the genuine welfare of your country over that of yourself.
"Creating or saving" jobs destroys jobs elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31130760</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1266062940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Surely there's enough hot air in Washington to get any heavy load into LEO...   and I think we might also kill 2 birds with 1 stone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely there 's enough hot air in Washington to get any heavy load into LEO... and I think we might also kill 2 birds with 1 stone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely there's enough hot air in Washington to get any heavy load into LEO...   and I think we might also kill 2 birds with 1 stone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127056</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266077700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It maybe pork but it's also jobs and I'd expect my representatives to fight like hell for jobs in this recession.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It maybe pork but it 's also jobs and I 'd expect my representatives to fight like hell for jobs in this recession .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It maybe pork but it's also jobs and I'd expect my representatives to fight like hell for jobs in this recession.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128016</id>
	<title>Alabama believes in science????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266084840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't realize Alabama believed in science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't realize Alabama believed in science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't realize Alabama believed in science.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31126988</id>
	<title>Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266077100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Alabamans want to save their pork, plain and simple.</p><p>Their efforts should be attacked as being pure pork-barrel politics and characterized as a deliberate attempt to save a bad program purely for the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Alabamans want to save their pork , plain and simple.Their efforts should be attacked as being pure pork-barrel politics and characterized as a deliberate attempt to save a bad program purely for the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Alabamans want to save their pork, plain and simple.Their efforts should be attacked as being pure pork-barrel politics and characterized as a deliberate attempt to save a bad program purely for the money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31131420</id>
	<title>Re:AASA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266069960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>States rights seem to be popular on this board. I'm not sure why-- I'm not particularly inclined to trust "those idiots down in Richmond" over "those idiots down in Washington."</p></div><p>It's not about greater trust. There is accessibility, it's easier to visit your representative, protest, etc if they are close. Competition, don't like your states laws? Move to another state. Moving country to avoid Federal laws you don't like is a much larger, more difficult step. As an example, I've considered moving to a different suburb to avoid my local governments dog regulations. I could do so without changing jobs, even still have much the same social circle. If dog regulations where handled by the Federal government, this would not be an option for me. Decentralised government puts competitive pressure on regulators to enact laws that attract people to the area. Then there's corruption. It would be a lot more work and expense to bribe your way through all the state governments than one Federal government</p><p>To me, it's about balance. All the benefits of Federal centralisation have costs as well, if a function can be adequately handled by state governments I think it should be. To my way of thinking, this would include health care, education, drug laws, etc, with voluntary cooperation between states as necessary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>States rights seem to be popular on this board .
I 'm not sure why-- I 'm not particularly inclined to trust " those idiots down in Richmond " over " those idiots down in Washington .
" It 's not about greater trust .
There is accessibility , it 's easier to visit your representative , protest , etc if they are close .
Competition , do n't like your states laws ?
Move to another state .
Moving country to avoid Federal laws you do n't like is a much larger , more difficult step .
As an example , I 've considered moving to a different suburb to avoid my local governments dog regulations .
I could do so without changing jobs , even still have much the same social circle .
If dog regulations where handled by the Federal government , this would not be an option for me .
Decentralised government puts competitive pressure on regulators to enact laws that attract people to the area .
Then there 's corruption .
It would be a lot more work and expense to bribe your way through all the state governments than one Federal governmentTo me , it 's about balance .
All the benefits of Federal centralisation have costs as well , if a function can be adequately handled by state governments I think it should be .
To my way of thinking , this would include health care , education , drug laws , etc , with voluntary cooperation between states as necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>States rights seem to be popular on this board.
I'm not sure why-- I'm not particularly inclined to trust "those idiots down in Richmond" over "those idiots down in Washington.
"It's not about greater trust.
There is accessibility, it's easier to visit your representative, protest, etc if they are close.
Competition, don't like your states laws?
Move to another state.
Moving country to avoid Federal laws you don't like is a much larger, more difficult step.
As an example, I've considered moving to a different suburb to avoid my local governments dog regulations.
I could do so without changing jobs, even still have much the same social circle.
If dog regulations where handled by the Federal government, this would not be an option for me.
Decentralised government puts competitive pressure on regulators to enact laws that attract people to the area.
Then there's corruption.
It would be a lot more work and expense to bribe your way through all the state governments than one Federal governmentTo me, it's about balance.
All the benefits of Federal centralisation have costs as well, if a function can be adequately handled by state governments I think it should be.
To my way of thinking, this would include health care, education, drug laws, etc, with voluntary cooperation between states as necessary.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31131598</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266071880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately in the mid 70's Nixon almost killed the space program as he did not see any use for it. Over 10,000 people with high education were thrown out of work directly and God knows how many support jobs were killed. The plans to build a 100 person Space Station were killed and it has taken 35 years to get to a point of having a station that can handle 15 people because the Saturn V was not used to lift the large portions of the station into orbit and we had to wait for shuttle development and glitches in deployment after accidents. Obama returns to the same policies of Richard Nixon on Space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately in the mid 70 's Nixon almost killed the space program as he did not see any use for it .
Over 10,000 people with high education were thrown out of work directly and God knows how many support jobs were killed .
The plans to build a 100 person Space Station were killed and it has taken 35 years to get to a point of having a station that can handle 15 people because the Saturn V was not used to lift the large portions of the station into orbit and we had to wait for shuttle development and glitches in deployment after accidents .
Obama returns to the same policies of Richard Nixon on Space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately in the mid 70's Nixon almost killed the space program as he did not see any use for it.
Over 10,000 people with high education were thrown out of work directly and God knows how many support jobs were killed.
The plans to build a 100 person Space Station were killed and it has taken 35 years to get to a point of having a station that can handle 15 people because the Saturn V was not used to lift the large portions of the station into orbit and we had to wait for shuttle development and glitches in deployment after accidents.
Obama returns to the same policies of Richard Nixon on Space.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127546</id>
	<title>I'm so sorry</title>
	<author>Vyse of Arcadia</author>
	<datestamp>1266081240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most people in this state are idiots, and the politicians are even worse. Alabama is hell on earth and...<br>
<br>
Oh, hey, wait, this really isn't so bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people in this state are idiots , and the politicians are even worse .
Alabama is hell on earth and.. . Oh , hey , wait , this really is n't so bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people in this state are idiots, and the politicians are even worse.
Alabama is hell on earth and...

Oh, hey, wait, this really isn't so bad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31131794</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>turkeyfish</author>
	<datestamp>1266074040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great Idea.  Now Alabamians everywhere can be thankful to what their Senator Shelby has brought them.  Makes you wonder how he is going to spin his screw up.</p><p>It would seem that republican's rhetoric has finally caught up with them.  Yesterday, Charles Krauthammer was grumbling about too many taxes, too much government inefficiency, not enough privatization, too many bureaucrats, too much socialism, too much big government.  Today, his editorial decries how Obama is taking away NASA political kickbacks in Alabama and how unfair it is to close NASA facilities that can no longer justify their existence nor pay for themselves when the government is broke, and turn space exploration over to the private sector as the republicans had been demanding.  How will republicanism survive without government pork to keep it philosophically in the pink?  Reminds me of the rebel battlecry, "No more government socialized medicine, but keep your hands off my Medicare."</p><p>Looks as if Senator Shelby poked the wrong person in the eye with a stick and now Alabamians will just have to suffer like the rest of us.  With the republicans now openly advocating and end to both medicare and social security as central planks in their reelection platform, I suspect were are going to hear a lot more whining from Bubba real soon.  From the news media it sounds as if, Alabamians everywhere are already reaching for their guns.</p><p>Hope Buba gives Senator Shelby a real earful, dawlin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great Idea .
Now Alabamians everywhere can be thankful to what their Senator Shelby has brought them .
Makes you wonder how he is going to spin his screw up.It would seem that republican 's rhetoric has finally caught up with them .
Yesterday , Charles Krauthammer was grumbling about too many taxes , too much government inefficiency , not enough privatization , too many bureaucrats , too much socialism , too much big government .
Today , his editorial decries how Obama is taking away NASA political kickbacks in Alabama and how unfair it is to close NASA facilities that can no longer justify their existence nor pay for themselves when the government is broke , and turn space exploration over to the private sector as the republicans had been demanding .
How will republicanism survive without government pork to keep it philosophically in the pink ?
Reminds me of the rebel battlecry , " No more government socialized medicine , but keep your hands off my Medicare .
" Looks as if Senator Shelby poked the wrong person in the eye with a stick and now Alabamians will just have to suffer like the rest of us .
With the republicans now openly advocating and end to both medicare and social security as central planks in their reelection platform , I suspect were are going to hear a lot more whining from Bubba real soon .
From the news media it sounds as if , Alabamians everywhere are already reaching for their guns.Hope Buba gives Senator Shelby a real earful , dawlin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great Idea.
Now Alabamians everywhere can be thankful to what their Senator Shelby has brought them.
Makes you wonder how he is going to spin his screw up.It would seem that republican's rhetoric has finally caught up with them.
Yesterday, Charles Krauthammer was grumbling about too many taxes, too much government inefficiency, not enough privatization, too many bureaucrats, too much socialism, too much big government.
Today, his editorial decries how Obama is taking away NASA political kickbacks in Alabama and how unfair it is to close NASA facilities that can no longer justify their existence nor pay for themselves when the government is broke, and turn space exploration over to the private sector as the republicans had been demanding.
How will republicanism survive without government pork to keep it philosophically in the pink?
Reminds me of the rebel battlecry, "No more government socialized medicine, but keep your hands off my Medicare.
"Looks as if Senator Shelby poked the wrong person in the eye with a stick and now Alabamians will just have to suffer like the rest of us.
With the republicans now openly advocating and end to both medicare and social security as central planks in their reelection platform, I suspect were are going to hear a lot more whining from Bubba real soon.
From the news media it sounds as if, Alabamians everywhere are already reaching for their guns.Hope Buba gives Senator Shelby a real earful, dawlin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127432</id>
	<title>Chronically ignorant OPs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266080460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies.</p></div></blockquote><p>

List your qualifications and show you have the knowledge and experience to determine that a rocket program is "chronically mismanaged".  Or shut your mouth.

And quoting the critics is not allowed, since they are by and large either inexperienced shysters trying to use their "knowledge" to wring appearances fees out of the media or interplanetary roboticists look to get more funding for their own late, over budget, and problem-laden programs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies .
List your qualifications and show you have the knowledge and experience to determine that a rocket program is " chronically mismanaged " .
Or shut your mouth .
And quoting the critics is not allowed , since they are by and large either inexperienced shysters trying to use their " knowledge " to wring appearances fees out of the media or interplanetary roboticists look to get more funding for their own late , over budget , and problem-laden programs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies.
List your qualifications and show you have the knowledge and experience to determine that a rocket program is "chronically mismanaged".
Or shut your mouth.
And quoting the critics is not allowed, since they are by and large either inexperienced shysters trying to use their "knowledge" to wring appearances fees out of the media or interplanetary roboticists look to get more funding for their own late, over budget, and problem-laden programs.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31132040</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork in Alabama</title>
	<author>turkeyfish</author>
	<datestamp>1266077460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and I expect the tooth fairy should do her patriotic duty and leave me a million dollars under my pillow each and every night!</p><p>That way I would have money enough to pay for those socialist programs that provide the money for the pork being sent to Alabama every year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and I expect the tooth fairy should do her patriotic duty and leave me a million dollars under my pillow each and every night ! That way I would have money enough to pay for those socialist programs that provide the money for the pork being sent to Alabama every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and I expect the tooth fairy should do her patriotic duty and leave me a million dollars under my pillow each and every night!That way I would have money enough to pay for those socialist programs that provide the money for the pork being sent to Alabama every year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31129586</id>
	<title>Pork?</title>
	<author>oneshotwonder</author>
	<datestamp>1266053280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pork?  When people read this article or when they heard about Richard Shelby putting a hold on seventy Obama appointees, they call it pork.

Take a moment and think.  Whom is a congressman or senator appointed to serve?  Their constituents, their people back home, the jobs in their districts.  I smiled and laughed hard the other day when I heard about Shelby putting the hold on Obama's appointees.  If you think when the people of Alabama heard that they were appalled, you're wrong.  They heard that and said, 'Hell yea, give me my pork.'

Like it or not, this is the way our founding fathers set up the legislative body.  Representative are supposed to represent their districts.  Political parties aren't mentioned anywhere in the constitution, not once.  Alabama's representatives are doing exactly what they should be doing, fighting for their piece of the pie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pork ?
When people read this article or when they heard about Richard Shelby putting a hold on seventy Obama appointees , they call it pork .
Take a moment and think .
Whom is a congressman or senator appointed to serve ?
Their constituents , their people back home , the jobs in their districts .
I smiled and laughed hard the other day when I heard about Shelby putting the hold on Obama 's appointees .
If you think when the people of Alabama heard that they were appalled , you 're wrong .
They heard that and said , 'Hell yea , give me my pork .
' Like it or not , this is the way our founding fathers set up the legislative body .
Representative are supposed to represent their districts .
Political parties are n't mentioned anywhere in the constitution , not once .
Alabama 's representatives are doing exactly what they should be doing , fighting for their piece of the pie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pork?
When people read this article or when they heard about Richard Shelby putting a hold on seventy Obama appointees, they call it pork.
Take a moment and think.
Whom is a congressman or senator appointed to serve?
Their constituents, their people back home, the jobs in their districts.
I smiled and laughed hard the other day when I heard about Shelby putting the hold on Obama's appointees.
If you think when the people of Alabama heard that they were appalled, you're wrong.
They heard that and said, 'Hell yea, give me my pork.
'

Like it or not, this is the way our founding fathers set up the legislative body.
Representative are supposed to represent their districts.
Political parties aren't mentioned anywhere in the constitution, not once.
Alabama's representatives are doing exactly what they should be doing, fighting for their piece of the pie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127662</id>
	<title>Re:Widespread opposition to a vacuous plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266082080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>America can afford one of two things:</p><p>1) cut program spending and cripple NASA to maintain<br>as many federal programs as possible while paying down<br>debt.</p><p>2) continue funding NASA, continue cutting taxes,<br>ignore the national debt, Fight and kill as many debt<br>holders as possible. Defeat china. Manhandle europe.</p><p>gl, its a tough choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America can afford one of two things : 1 ) cut program spending and cripple NASA to maintainas many federal programs as possible while paying downdebt.2 ) continue funding NASA , continue cutting taxes,ignore the national debt , Fight and kill as many debtholders as possible .
Defeat china .
Manhandle europe.gl , its a tough choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America can afford one of two things:1) cut program spending and cripple NASA to maintainas many federal programs as possible while paying downdebt.2) continue funding NASA, continue cutting taxes,ignore the national debt, Fight and kill as many debtholders as possible.
Defeat china.
Manhandle europe.gl, its a tough choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127096</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266078060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will be ugly, as pork barrel politics often get, but I believe, in the end, reason will prevail.</p><p>Ares should be axed. What we need is cheaper ways to haul large loads to space. The shuttle more or less taught us how not to do it, but the Ares I first stage has proven to be too problematic. A shuttle-derived vehicle, such as suggested by the DIRECT folks, would be a better choice and would use the Orion, which is more salvageable part of this project.</p><p>It would make a lot of sense to develop a series of modular vehicles, with modular engines and structures. That way you protect the money invested in developing each component.</p><p>What frightens me is the possibility this new plan also fails to deliver viable vehicles.</p><p>In that case, maybe we shoud give up the idea of being a spacefaring civilization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will be ugly , as pork barrel politics often get , but I believe , in the end , reason will prevail.Ares should be axed .
What we need is cheaper ways to haul large loads to space .
The shuttle more or less taught us how not to do it , but the Ares I first stage has proven to be too problematic .
A shuttle-derived vehicle , such as suggested by the DIRECT folks , would be a better choice and would use the Orion , which is more salvageable part of this project.It would make a lot of sense to develop a series of modular vehicles , with modular engines and structures .
That way you protect the money invested in developing each component.What frightens me is the possibility this new plan also fails to deliver viable vehicles.In that case , maybe we shoud give up the idea of being a spacefaring civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will be ugly, as pork barrel politics often get, but I believe, in the end, reason will prevail.Ares should be axed.
What we need is cheaper ways to haul large loads to space.
The shuttle more or less taught us how not to do it, but the Ares I first stage has proven to be too problematic.
A shuttle-derived vehicle, such as suggested by the DIRECT folks, would be a better choice and would use the Orion, which is more salvageable part of this project.It would make a lot of sense to develop a series of modular vehicles, with modular engines and structures.
That way you protect the money invested in developing each component.What frightens me is the possibility this new plan also fails to deliver viable vehicles.In that case, maybe we shoud give up the idea of being a spacefaring civilization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127580</id>
	<title>just another example of black on black crime...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266081420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oboma cutting jobs in good ol BAMA? say it aint so master say it aint so!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oboma cutting jobs in good ol BAMA ?
say it aint so master say it aint so !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oboma cutting jobs in good ol BAMA?
say it aint so master say it aint so!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31131150</id>
	<title>Constellation was doing something</title>
	<author>wd5gnr</author>
	<datestamp>1266066840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was bummed out when the giant company I work for did NOT win the constellation business we wanted. But NASA and its contractors do a TERRIBLE job of promoting success and good work to the public. Instead all you hear is bad news. The press helped when it was fun but they've left. Don't believe me? How many of you can draw a reasonably accurate diagram of Apollo? Now how many of you can sketch a reasonably accurate floor plan for ISS? How many modules are in it? Does it have one truss, two, or none?
<br> <br>
If you want to see what they have <b>REALLY</b> been up to: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IQVZmHnJQ" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IQVZmHnJQ</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was bummed out when the giant company I work for did NOT win the constellation business we wanted .
But NASA and its contractors do a TERRIBLE job of promoting success and good work to the public .
Instead all you hear is bad news .
The press helped when it was fun but they 've left .
Do n't believe me ?
How many of you can draw a reasonably accurate diagram of Apollo ?
Now how many of you can sketch a reasonably accurate floor plan for ISS ?
How many modules are in it ?
Does it have one truss , two , or none ?
If you want to see what they have REALLY been up to : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = a2IQVZmHnJQ [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was bummed out when the giant company I work for did NOT win the constellation business we wanted.
But NASA and its contractors do a TERRIBLE job of promoting success and good work to the public.
Instead all you hear is bad news.
The press helped when it was fun but they've left.
Don't believe me?
How many of you can draw a reasonably accurate diagram of Apollo?
Now how many of you can sketch a reasonably accurate floor plan for ISS?
How many modules are in it?
Does it have one truss, two, or none?
If you want to see what they have REALLY been up to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IQVZmHnJQ [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128348</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Bill\_the\_Engineer</author>
	<datestamp>1266087120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I will hazard a guess that most of the small businesses that are starting up in this economy is performing work on a contract given by the government.
</p><p>These contracts would not exist without earmark spending.
</p><p>Small business and pork spending are not mutually excluded. I bet they are mostly in the same set.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I will hazard a guess that most of the small businesses that are starting up in this economy is performing work on a contract given by the government .
These contracts would not exist without earmark spending .
Small business and pork spending are not mutually excluded .
I bet they are mostly in the same set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I will hazard a guess that most of the small businesses that are starting up in this economy is performing work on a contract given by the government.
These contracts would not exist without earmark spending.
Small business and pork spending are not mutually excluded.
I bet they are mostly in the same set.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127652</id>
	<title>Nasa full of best social networkers not tecnical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266082020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As has been said several times. NASA has matured into the worst possible of outcomes. After NASA's early years of being lead by Engineer visionaries it has degenerated into what happens to all old  monopoly based organizations. The ultimate proof is in the past management of Mike Griffin and his present antics that prove overtly one of his biggest agendas. 'Protect your empire' or even more basic, 'your turf'.</p><p>Sadly the whole management structure needs replacing with fresh blood. How many major and deadly mistakes does NASA management get to make before it is torn down and rebuilt. It has become the worst type of 'Old Boys Club'. Much of the promotion structure has allowed for 'those who can't' to move up the corporate ladder. The best and brightest are left to struggle because they believe more in the science and technology than the politics of promotion. Management once infiltrated with a political majority will do anything to protect their positions. Who get's hired into management are those that won't cause their boss trouble or try to take the boss's job. In other words, they hire someone that appears more stupid than they are and certainly never someone that might try for their job. The trick is to play the game and fool that manager that you are no threat to him/her. So without a doubt, in a few short years, all the leadership positions are filled with those skilled only in the 'company politic'.</p><p>All capable visionaries are soon lost forever. Only a fluke chance could any intelligent, capable management style ever gain control again. Who am I kidding.... Only a complete and utter shakeup from the top down ever crack that rock. NASA needs a new NASA. Perhaps Obam could do it. But once again... who am I kidding. What has Obam done yet other than make good speeches. Like health care, NASA is an embedded institution with all the self interested states and politicians, along with all the other pork barrel camp followers to contend with.</p><p>As for the right and wrong way? The programs, where  there, are there or could be there. But how could the correct choice be made? I doubt ever, unless a properly sized competent and truly independent team of aerospace professionals decide, or the alternative. A President that is in fact a rocket scientist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As has been said several times .
NASA has matured into the worst possible of outcomes .
After NASA 's early years of being lead by Engineer visionaries it has degenerated into what happens to all old monopoly based organizations .
The ultimate proof is in the past management of Mike Griffin and his present antics that prove overtly one of his biggest agendas .
'Protect your empire ' or even more basic , 'your turf'.Sadly the whole management structure needs replacing with fresh blood .
How many major and deadly mistakes does NASA management get to make before it is torn down and rebuilt .
It has become the worst type of 'Old Boys Club' .
Much of the promotion structure has allowed for 'those who ca n't ' to move up the corporate ladder .
The best and brightest are left to struggle because they believe more in the science and technology than the politics of promotion .
Management once infiltrated with a political majority will do anything to protect their positions .
Who get 's hired into management are those that wo n't cause their boss trouble or try to take the boss 's job .
In other words , they hire someone that appears more stupid than they are and certainly never someone that might try for their job .
The trick is to play the game and fool that manager that you are no threat to him/her .
So without a doubt , in a few short years , all the leadership positions are filled with those skilled only in the 'company politic'.All capable visionaries are soon lost forever .
Only a fluke chance could any intelligent , capable management style ever gain control again .
Who am I kidding.... Only a complete and utter shakeup from the top down ever crack that rock .
NASA needs a new NASA .
Perhaps Obam could do it .
But once again... who am I kidding .
What has Obam done yet other than make good speeches .
Like health care , NASA is an embedded institution with all the self interested states and politicians , along with all the other pork barrel camp followers to contend with.As for the right and wrong way ?
The programs , where there , are there or could be there .
But how could the correct choice be made ?
I doubt ever , unless a properly sized competent and truly independent team of aerospace professionals decide , or the alternative .
A President that is in fact a rocket scientist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As has been said several times.
NASA has matured into the worst possible of outcomes.
After NASA's early years of being lead by Engineer visionaries it has degenerated into what happens to all old  monopoly based organizations.
The ultimate proof is in the past management of Mike Griffin and his present antics that prove overtly one of his biggest agendas.
'Protect your empire' or even more basic, 'your turf'.Sadly the whole management structure needs replacing with fresh blood.
How many major and deadly mistakes does NASA management get to make before it is torn down and rebuilt.
It has become the worst type of 'Old Boys Club'.
Much of the promotion structure has allowed for 'those who can't' to move up the corporate ladder.
The best and brightest are left to struggle because they believe more in the science and technology than the politics of promotion.
Management once infiltrated with a political majority will do anything to protect their positions.
Who get's hired into management are those that won't cause their boss trouble or try to take the boss's job.
In other words, they hire someone that appears more stupid than they are and certainly never someone that might try for their job.
The trick is to play the game and fool that manager that you are no threat to him/her.
So without a doubt, in a few short years, all the leadership positions are filled with those skilled only in the 'company politic'.All capable visionaries are soon lost forever.
Only a fluke chance could any intelligent, capable management style ever gain control again.
Who am I kidding.... Only a complete and utter shakeup from the top down ever crack that rock.
NASA needs a new NASA.
Perhaps Obam could do it.
But once again... who am I kidding.
What has Obam done yet other than make good speeches.
Like health care, NASA is an embedded institution with all the self interested states and politicians, along with all the other pork barrel camp followers to contend with.As for the right and wrong way?
The programs, where  there, are there or could be there.
But how could the correct choice be made?
I doubt ever, unless a properly sized competent and truly independent team of aerospace professionals decide, or the alternative.
A President that is in fact a rocket scientist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127324</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266079800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really!?! Talk about shortsighted.</p><p>You know what creates jobs? Small business. The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses. And what is the enemy of small business? Taxes. And what drives higher taxes? Pork.</p><p>So, you wanna save the economy and get out of this depression? Kill the Pork.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ! ? !
Talk about shortsighted.You know what creates jobs ?
Small business .
The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses .
And what is the enemy of small business ?
Taxes. And what drives higher taxes ?
Pork.So , you wan na save the economy and get out of this depression ?
Kill the Pork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really!?!
Talk about shortsighted.You know what creates jobs?
Small business.
The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses.
And what is the enemy of small business?
Taxes. And what drives higher taxes?
Pork.So, you wanna save the economy and get out of this depression?
Kill the Pork.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128060</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266085140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>So, you wanna save the economy and get out of this depression? Kill the Pork.</i></p><p>Your pork is another citizen's investment for the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you wan na save the economy and get out of this depression ?
Kill the Pork.Your pork is another citizen 's investment for the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you wanna save the economy and get out of this depression?
Kill the Pork.Your pork is another citizen's investment for the future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31132484</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266083340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one am not about to put up with any terrorism or hostage-taking on the part of the leadership of Al Abama. We better water-board them right quick. Y'all come back now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one am not about to put up with any terrorism or hostage-taking on the part of the leadership of Al Abama .
We better water-board them right quick .
Y'all come back now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one am not about to put up with any terrorism or hostage-taking on the part of the leadership of Al Abama.
We better water-board them right quick.
Y'all come back now.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Having worked briefly at the MDA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266082980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or Missile Defense Agency in 2005, I have actually seen just how pushy some of the Alabama crowd can be. We were training a group of their users on some office automation software they'd licensed from us, and during the training, the 'gentleman' from Alabama nearly derailed the class as he tried to use it as a platform for his conspiracy theories that this was just another attempt to push them out of the decision-making loop (and thus on to the unemployment line).</p><p>Alabama is certainly a vocal constituency.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or Missile Defense Agency in 2005 , I have actually seen just how pushy some of the Alabama crowd can be .
We were training a group of their users on some office automation software they 'd licensed from us , and during the training , the 'gentleman ' from Alabama nearly derailed the class as he tried to use it as a platform for his conspiracy theories that this was just another attempt to push them out of the decision-making loop ( and thus on to the unemployment line ) .Alabama is certainly a vocal constituency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or Missile Defense Agency in 2005, I have actually seen just how pushy some of the Alabama crowd can be.
We were training a group of their users on some office automation software they'd licensed from us, and during the training, the 'gentleman' from Alabama nearly derailed the class as he tried to use it as a platform for his conspiracy theories that this was just another attempt to push them out of the decision-making loop (and thus on to the unemployment line).Alabama is certainly a vocal constituency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31126986</id>
	<title>Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266077040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now, I dun know so much about rockets and flyin' to the moon and all that, but hooey, when you wanna start talkin' bout putting some downhome good ol' boys out of work, well, sir, I just gotta speak my mind. This ain't a threat, son. You take those jobs away from us here and God Almighty help us, we ain't gonna have nothin better to do than march on up to Washington and have us an ol' fashioned conference with each individual congresscritter that 'pposed us. Alabama style.</p><p>You catch my drift, fellas?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , I dun know so much about rockets and flyin ' to the moon and all that , but hooey , when you wan na start talkin ' bout putting some downhome good ol ' boys out of work , well , sir , I just got ta speak my mind .
This ai n't a threat , son .
You take those jobs away from us here and God Almighty help us , we ai n't gon na have nothin better to do than march on up to Washington and have us an ol ' fashioned conference with each individual congresscritter that 'pposed us .
Alabama style.You catch my drift , fellas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, I dun know so much about rockets and flyin' to the moon and all that, but hooey, when you wanna start talkin' bout putting some downhome good ol' boys out of work, well, sir, I just gotta speak my mind.
This ain't a threat, son.
You take those jobs away from us here and God Almighty help us, we ain't gonna have nothin better to do than march on up to Washington and have us an ol' fashioned conference with each individual congresscritter that 'pposed us.
Alabama style.You catch my drift, fellas?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127576</id>
	<title>Contractors, easy come.. easy go..</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1266081360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are all fired.  Go home and start looking for a new job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are all fired .
Go home and start looking for a new job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are all fired.
Go home and start looking for a new job.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31128760</id>
	<title>Re:Kill the Pork</title>
	<author>Stuntmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1266090120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses. And what is the enemy of small business? Taxes.</p></div></blockquote><p>I have a small manufacturing business now, and for me (and everyone else in my industry), the annual cost of liability insurance is 10x the cost of taxes.  The bigger retailers like Amazon require several million dollars of liability insurance for each consumer product they sell in our category, the premiums on which are a tremendous drain.  I'm not one to say hang the lawyers -- they serve an important role in curbing true negligence on the part of companies.  But from where I'm sitting, some type of sensible tort reform would help a lot.  A consumer advocate like Ralph Nader could learn a lot running a smaller manufacturing business.  (Note if I were running a services business, insurance would be much less expensive.  This is one of the ways we discourage manufacturing in the USA.)</p><p>Taxes are less of a financial drain, just somewhat irrational.  In California it costs $800 annually to register an LLC, regardless of size, profit, or industry.  This doesn't seem to be tied to any cost or service the state provides, they just charge it because they can.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses .
And what is the enemy of small business ?
Taxes.I have a small manufacturing business now , and for me ( and everyone else in my industry ) , the annual cost of liability insurance is 10x the cost of taxes .
The bigger retailers like Amazon require several million dollars of liability insurance for each consumer product they sell in our category , the premiums on which are a tremendous drain .
I 'm not one to say hang the lawyers -- they serve an important role in curbing true negligence on the part of companies .
But from where I 'm sitting , some type of sensible tort reform would help a lot .
A consumer advocate like Ralph Nader could learn a lot running a smaller manufacturing business .
( Note if I were running a services business , insurance would be much less expensive .
This is one of the ways we discourage manufacturing in the USA .
) Taxes are less of a financial drain , just somewhat irrational .
In California it costs $ 800 annually to register an LLC , regardless of size , profit , or industry .
This does n't seem to be tied to any cost or service the state provides , they just charge it because they can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses.
And what is the enemy of small business?
Taxes.I have a small manufacturing business now, and for me (and everyone else in my industry), the annual cost of liability insurance is 10x the cost of taxes.
The bigger retailers like Amazon require several million dollars of liability insurance for each consumer product they sell in our category, the premiums on which are a tremendous drain.
I'm not one to say hang the lawyers -- they serve an important role in curbing true negligence on the part of companies.
But from where I'm sitting, some type of sensible tort reform would help a lot.
A consumer advocate like Ralph Nader could learn a lot running a smaller manufacturing business.
(Note if I were running a services business, insurance would be much less expensive.
This is one of the ways we discourage manufacturing in the USA.
)Taxes are less of a financial drain, just somewhat irrational.
In California it costs $800 annually to register an LLC, regardless of size, profit, or industry.
This doesn't seem to be tied to any cost or service the state provides, they just charge it because they can.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127638</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266081780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's cute and everything, but before stereotyping the region, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huntsville,\_Alabama#Economy" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">read a little about it from Wikipedia</a> [wikipedia.org]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Huntsville's main economic influence is derived from aerospace and military technology. Redstone Arsenal, Cummings Research Park (CRP), and NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center comprise the main hubs for the area's technology-driven economy. CRP is the second largest research park in the United States and the fourth largest in the world, and is over 38 years old. Huntsville is also home for commercial technology companies such as the network access company ADTRAN, computer graphics company Intergraph and design and manufacturer of IT infrastructure Avocent. Telecommunications provider Deltacom, Inc. and copper tube manufacturer and distributor Wolverine Tube are also based in Huntsville. Cinram manufactures and distributes 20th Century Fox DVDs and Blu-ray Discs out of their Huntsville plant. Sanmina-SCI also has a large presence in the area. Forty-two Fortune 500 companies have operations in Huntsville.</p><p>In 2005, Forbes Magazine named the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area as 6th best place in the nation for doing business, and number one in terms of the number of engineers per total employment. In 2006, Huntsville dropped to 14th; the prevalence of engineers was not considered in the 2006 ranking.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>That 's cute and everything , but before stereotyping the region , read a little about it from Wikipedia [ wikipedia.org ] : Huntsville 's main economic influence is derived from aerospace and military technology .
Redstone Arsenal , Cummings Research Park ( CRP ) , and NASA 's Marshall Space Flight Center comprise the main hubs for the area 's technology-driven economy .
CRP is the second largest research park in the United States and the fourth largest in the world , and is over 38 years old .
Huntsville is also home for commercial technology companies such as the network access company ADTRAN , computer graphics company Intergraph and design and manufacturer of IT infrastructure Avocent .
Telecommunications provider Deltacom , Inc. and copper tube manufacturer and distributor Wolverine Tube are also based in Huntsville .
Cinram manufactures and distributes 20th Century Fox DVDs and Blu-ray Discs out of their Huntsville plant .
Sanmina-SCI also has a large presence in the area .
Forty-two Fortune 500 companies have operations in Huntsville.In 2005 , Forbes Magazine named the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area as 6th best place in the nation for doing business , and number one in terms of the number of engineers per total employment .
In 2006 , Huntsville dropped to 14th ; the prevalence of engineers was not considered in the 2006 ranking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's cute and everything, but before stereotyping the region, read a little about it from Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:Huntsville's main economic influence is derived from aerospace and military technology.
Redstone Arsenal, Cummings Research Park (CRP), and NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center comprise the main hubs for the area's technology-driven economy.
CRP is the second largest research park in the United States and the fourth largest in the world, and is over 38 years old.
Huntsville is also home for commercial technology companies such as the network access company ADTRAN, computer graphics company Intergraph and design and manufacturer of IT infrastructure Avocent.
Telecommunications provider Deltacom, Inc. and copper tube manufacturer and distributor Wolverine Tube are also based in Huntsville.
Cinram manufactures and distributes 20th Century Fox DVDs and Blu-ray Discs out of their Huntsville plant.
Sanmina-SCI also has a large presence in the area.
Forty-two Fortune 500 companies have operations in Huntsville.In 2005, Forbes Magazine named the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area as 6th best place in the nation for doing business, and number one in terms of the number of engineers per total employment.
In 2006, Huntsville dropped to 14th; the prevalence of engineers was not considered in the 2006 ranking.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_1331224.31127824</id>
	<title>Re:Well, shoot, son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266083340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You catch my drift, fellas?</i></p><p><a href="http://decaturdaily.com/detail/53501.html" title="decaturdaily.com" rel="nofollow">Sure do</a> [decaturdaily.com]!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You catch my drift , fellas ? Sure do [ decaturdaily.com ] !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You catch my drift, fellas?Sure do [decaturdaily.com]!</sentencetext>
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