<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_13_0251259</id>
	<title>Ex-Pirate Bay Admin Launches Micropayment Service</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1266053820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:spyrochaete@hyppy.zapto.org" rel="nofollow">spyrochaete</a> writes <i>"Peter Sunde, formerly 'brokep' of The Pirate Bay, recently launched a beta version of <a href="http://flattr.com/beta/">Flattr</a> &mdash; a micropayment service enabling internet users to tender cash payments to any participating content publisher.  Its model enables users to divvy monthly subscription fees as donations awarded to the musicians, bloggers, photographers, or other publisher of their choice.
Sunde tells the BBC, 'We want to encourage people to share money as well as content,' and asserts, '<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8512263.stm">people love things and they want to pay</a>.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>spyrochaete writes " Peter Sunde , formerly 'brokep ' of The Pirate Bay , recently launched a beta version of Flattr    a micropayment service enabling internet users to tender cash payments to any participating content publisher .
Its model enables users to divvy monthly subscription fees as donations awarded to the musicians , bloggers , photographers , or other publisher of their choice .
Sunde tells the BBC , 'We want to encourage people to share money as well as content, ' and asserts , 'people love things and they want to pay .
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<sentencetext>spyrochaete writes "Peter Sunde, formerly 'brokep' of The Pirate Bay, recently launched a beta version of Flattr — a micropayment service enabling internet users to tender cash payments to any participating content publisher.
Its model enables users to divvy monthly subscription fees as donations awarded to the musicians, bloggers, photographers, or other publisher of their choice.
Sunde tells the BBC, 'We want to encourage people to share money as well as content,' and asserts, 'people love things and they want to pay.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31127852</id>
	<title>Re:Here comes McCarthy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266083520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Meh, communism is old and worn out.  Can you try linking it to terrorism or pedophilia?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , communism is old and worn out .
Can you try linking it to terrorism or pedophilia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, communism is old and worn out.
Can you try linking it to terrorism or pedophilia?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31129196</id>
	<title>Re:Cut out the middleman</title>
	<author>fbjon</author>
	<datestamp>1266093780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right but...<p><div class="quote"><p>And to be honest - a lot of the hoi polloi DO need hype - in the same way that the majority of the population are content to be lead rather than think independently for themselves in terms of politics or even the way they live their lives (go to college, get a job, get married, raise a family, die - the great american dream).</p></div><p>NASA doesn't need Ares, they can just use your horse, jeez.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right but...And to be honest - a lot of the hoi polloi DO need hype - in the same way that the majority of the population are content to be lead rather than think independently for themselves in terms of politics or even the way they live their lives ( go to college , get a job , get married , raise a family , die - the great american dream ) .NASA does n't need Ares , they can just use your horse , jeez .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right but...And to be honest - a lot of the hoi polloi DO need hype - in the same way that the majority of the population are content to be lead rather than think independently for themselves in terms of politics or even the way they live their lives (go to college, get a job, get married, raise a family, die - the great american dream).NASA doesn't need Ares, they can just use your horse, jeez.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126190</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125774</id>
	<title>Beautiful</title>
	<author>logixoul</author>
	<datestamp>1266062040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is so beautiful. It might be the first web service I truly, really like.

It's in the right place at the right time. People, me included, love clicking "upvote" buttons all day long, because they like to show appreciation and it gives them a feeling of power. How much more meaningful this becomes when there's money attached! It will feel great to "flatter" people with some of your money, while never bothering to keep track of "how much you spend" (stressful, anyone will tell you), as it's a constant that you've decided you want to give out to the world for a month.<br> <br>
I don't know about you guys, but this fits my mental model of donations better than anything before. I think it'll catch on, because both providers and consumers will love it. We will move to a web with less crap. Maybe even reverse Sturgeon's law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is so beautiful .
It might be the first web service I truly , really like .
It 's in the right place at the right time .
People , me included , love clicking " upvote " buttons all day long , because they like to show appreciation and it gives them a feeling of power .
How much more meaningful this becomes when there 's money attached !
It will feel great to " flatter " people with some of your money , while never bothering to keep track of " how much you spend " ( stressful , anyone will tell you ) , as it 's a constant that you 've decided you want to give out to the world for a month .
I do n't know about you guys , but this fits my mental model of donations better than anything before .
I think it 'll catch on , because both providers and consumers will love it .
We will move to a web with less crap .
Maybe even reverse Sturgeon 's law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is so beautiful.
It might be the first web service I truly, really like.
It's in the right place at the right time.
People, me included, love clicking "upvote" buttons all day long, because they like to show appreciation and it gives them a feeling of power.
How much more meaningful this becomes when there's money attached!
It will feel great to "flatter" people with some of your money, while never bothering to keep track of "how much you spend" (stressful, anyone will tell you), as it's a constant that you've decided you want to give out to the world for a month.
I don't know about you guys, but this fits my mental model of donations better than anything before.
I think it'll catch on, because both providers and consumers will love it.
We will move to a web with less crap.
Maybe even reverse Sturgeon's law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125578</id>
	<title>Currency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266058740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They'll only be excepting pieces of eight and dubloons... aghghghrrr me hearties</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll only be excepting pieces of eight and dubloons... aghghghrrr me hearties</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll only be excepting pieces of eight and dubloons... aghghghrrr me hearties</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125518</id>
	<title>I'm with stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266057600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I will voluntarily give my money to pirates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I will voluntarily give my money to pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I will voluntarily give my money to pirates.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31130700</id>
	<title>Re:This might explain why he was working with AES:</title>
	<author>Big\_Mamma</author>
	<datestamp>1266062400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try a processor with AES-NI. <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/clarkdale-aes-ni-encryption,2538-5.html" title="tomshardware.com" rel="nofollow">Tom's Hardware</a> [tomshardware.com] got 3570MByte, or 27Gbit/s out of a single Intel i5. With the new Xeons in March, you'll get x3 cores, x2 sockets in a single system.<br> <br>

What I don't get is how you can have such a high requirement for bandwidth but not the budget for enough hardware to just bruteforce this - even a single gigabit connection worth of traffic costs much more than a stack of 1u servers every month.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try a processor with AES-NI .
Tom 's Hardware [ tomshardware.com ] got 3570MByte , or 27Gbit/s out of a single Intel i5 .
With the new Xeons in March , you 'll get x3 cores , x2 sockets in a single system .
What I do n't get is how you can have such a high requirement for bandwidth but not the budget for enough hardware to just bruteforce this - even a single gigabit connection worth of traffic costs much more than a stack of 1u servers every month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try a processor with AES-NI.
Tom's Hardware [tomshardware.com] got 3570MByte, or 27Gbit/s out of a single Intel i5.
With the new Xeons in March, you'll get x3 cores, x2 sockets in a single system.
What I don't get is how you can have such a high requirement for bandwidth but not the budget for enough hardware to just bruteforce this - even a single gigabit connection worth of traffic costs much more than a stack of 1u servers every month.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126316</id>
	<title>The cake is a lie!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266070440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'nuff said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'nuff said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31127384</id>
	<title>Nice try.</title>
	<author>poofmeisterp</author>
	<datestamp>1266080220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you're being paid by someone to do something like this, it's hard to disguise the moves.</p><p>I give him a B-. lol</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you 're being paid by someone to do something like this , it 's hard to disguise the moves.I give him a B- .
lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you're being paid by someone to do something like this, it's hard to disguise the moves.I give him a B-.
lol</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31127996</id>
	<title>I think this is a good idea</title>
	<author>aceofspades1217</author>
	<datestamp>1266084720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do plenty of piracy, not because I don't want to pay but moreso because I don't want to play big record labels. I always buy artist's T-Shirts so that I can give money directly to artists. I would gladly put $10 a month into this and "Flattr" a couple of my favorite artists and websites.</p><p>I mean...anything to stick it to the record labels. I don't want to give my money to terrorists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do plenty of piracy , not because I do n't want to pay but moreso because I do n't want to play big record labels .
I always buy artist 's T-Shirts so that I can give money directly to artists .
I would gladly put $ 10 a month into this and " Flattr " a couple of my favorite artists and websites.I mean...anything to stick it to the record labels .
I do n't want to give my money to terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do plenty of piracy, not because I don't want to pay but moreso because I don't want to play big record labels.
I always buy artist's T-Shirts so that I can give money directly to artists.
I would gladly put $10 a month into this and "Flattr" a couple of my favorite artists and websites.I mean...anything to stick it to the record labels.
I don't want to give my money to terrorists.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126254</id>
	<title>Here comes McCarthy!</title>
	<author>Cruciform</author>
	<datestamp>1266069900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A micro-payment system that prevents corporations from getting in there and taking the money they deserve?<br>Sounds like COMMUNISM!</p><p>Or at least that's how it's going to be played out in the media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A micro-payment system that prevents corporations from getting in there and taking the money they deserve ? Sounds like COMMUNISM ! Or at least that 's how it 's going to be played out in the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A micro-payment system that prevents corporations from getting in there and taking the money they deserve?Sounds like COMMUNISM!Or at least that's how it's going to be played out in the media.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125650</id>
	<title>Cut out the middleman</title>
	<author>Dachannien</author>
	<datestamp>1266059820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs.  In the digital age, the only real service they provide is marketing, and if you're already interested in paying money for someone's music, then those marketing services don't really add any value to the product you're paying for.</p><p>Aside from that, recording industry execs hinder creativity by stamping out cookie-cutter artists who are forced down the public's throat until they burn out in a blaze of drugs and/or stupidity.  Music wants to be free (as in speech), and the recording industry is the single biggest obstacle to that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs .
In the digital age , the only real service they provide is marketing , and if you 're already interested in paying money for someone 's music , then those marketing services do n't really add any value to the product you 're paying for.Aside from that , recording industry execs hinder creativity by stamping out cookie-cutter artists who are forced down the public 's throat until they burn out in a blaze of drugs and/or stupidity .
Music wants to be free ( as in speech ) , and the recording industry is the single biggest obstacle to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs.
In the digital age, the only real service they provide is marketing, and if you're already interested in paying money for someone's music, then those marketing services don't really add any value to the product you're paying for.Aside from that, recording industry execs hinder creativity by stamping out cookie-cutter artists who are forced down the public's throat until they burn out in a blaze of drugs and/or stupidity.
Music wants to be free (as in speech), and the recording industry is the single biggest obstacle to that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125786</id>
	<title>Excellent idea, if....</title>
	<author>Demonoid-Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1266062220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>it gets enough uptake. <p>Pity that it's unlikely that anyone contracted to the major content distributors will be taking it up - I suspect the studios and publishers would bang that on the head. They (sic) like total control over the money flow.</p><p>Earlier this year when "well known musicians" came out to damn piracy - and it was covered by bbc, abc (Oz) and others I posted the suggestion (on those sites) that artists create a blog with a paypal account, so that people who download music and movies illegally (like me) could directly send the artists money. The posts were immediately pulled.</p><p>
I (for one) welcome a New World Publishing Order - where the consumer determines the rewards for the artist/author/whatever, instead of the existing model where the studios/publishers tell the artist/author and the consumer "what market wants".</p><p>
Just saying...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it gets enough uptake .
Pity that it 's unlikely that anyone contracted to the major content distributors will be taking it up - I suspect the studios and publishers would bang that on the head .
They ( sic ) like total control over the money flow.Earlier this year when " well known musicians " came out to damn piracy - and it was covered by bbc , abc ( Oz ) and others I posted the suggestion ( on those sites ) that artists create a blog with a paypal account , so that people who download music and movies illegally ( like me ) could directly send the artists money .
The posts were immediately pulled .
I ( for one ) welcome a New World Publishing Order - where the consumer determines the rewards for the artist/author/whatever , instead of the existing model where the studios/publishers tell the artist/author and the consumer " what market wants " .
Just saying.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it gets enough uptake.
Pity that it's unlikely that anyone contracted to the major content distributors will be taking it up - I suspect the studios and publishers would bang that on the head.
They (sic) like total control over the money flow.Earlier this year when "well known musicians" came out to damn piracy - and it was covered by bbc, abc (Oz) and others I posted the suggestion (on those sites) that artists create a blog with a paypal account, so that people who download music and movies illegally (like me) could directly send the artists money.
The posts were immediately pulled.
I (for one) welcome a New World Publishing Order - where the consumer determines the rewards for the artist/author/whatever, instead of the existing model where the studios/publishers tell the artist/author and the consumer "what market wants".
Just saying...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126062</id>
	<title>Why not name it "The Pirates' Gold"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266066600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, I'd been toying around with a VERY SIMILAR idea - I even had the good peeps &amp; their servers @ The Pirate Bay in mind! Telepathy? Perhaps, but it seems some packets were lost on their way... You see, I thought a major Hook (Cpt., I presume) in the concept's genius would come from the fact that the service was called "The Pirates' Gold"! And as an equivalent to a digg-like button I was thinking a classic black salty liquorice candy "pirate coin" (salmiakkimerkkari in Phinland) icon should be used as "the token of appreciation"! (I wonder if the Swedes have these too?)</p><p>OK pirates, feel free to pirate - or whatever it is that you do - these ideas and exploit them as your own!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I 'd been toying around with a VERY SIMILAR idea - I even had the good peeps &amp; their servers @ The Pirate Bay in mind !
Telepathy ? Perhaps , but it seems some packets were lost on their way... You see , I thought a major Hook ( Cpt. , I presume ) in the concept 's genius would come from the fact that the service was called " The Pirates ' Gold " !
And as an equivalent to a digg-like button I was thinking a classic black salty liquorice candy " pirate coin " ( salmiakkimerkkari in Phinland ) icon should be used as " the token of appreciation " !
( I wonder if the Swedes have these too ?
) OK pirates , feel free to pirate - or whatever it is that you do - these ideas and exploit them as your own !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I'd been toying around with a VERY SIMILAR idea - I even had the good peeps &amp; their servers @ The Pirate Bay in mind!
Telepathy? Perhaps, but it seems some packets were lost on their way... You see, I thought a major Hook (Cpt., I presume) in the concept's genius would come from the fact that the service was called "The Pirates' Gold"!
And as an equivalent to a digg-like button I was thinking a classic black salty liquorice candy "pirate coin" (salmiakkimerkkari in Phinland) icon should be used as "the token of appreciation"!
(I wonder if the Swedes have these too?
)OK pirates, feel free to pirate - or whatever it is that you do - these ideas and exploit them as your own!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125516</id>
	<title>Good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266057540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds pretty nice as long as it doesn't commercialize things that are already free. I like it because you wouldn't think about each individual transaction since you pay a flat rate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds pretty nice as long as it does n't commercialize things that are already free .
I like it because you would n't think about each individual transaction since you pay a flat rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds pretty nice as long as it doesn't commercialize things that are already free.
I like it because you wouldn't think about each individual transaction since you pay a flat rate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125552</id>
	<title>Peter will be able to pay off Paul after all, then</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1266058140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a good thing if Sunde gets this off the ground and profitable, because he's gotta having something to pay off that judgement to Big Media....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a good thing if Sunde gets this off the ground and profitable , because he 's got ta having something to pay off that judgement to Big Media... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a good thing if Sunde gets this off the ground and profitable, because he's gotta having something to pay off that judgement to Big Media....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125820</id>
	<title>Re:I'd like to see this connected to ThePirateBay</title>
	<author>naz404</author>
	<datestamp>1266062520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article:<p><div class="quote"><p>Initially, Flattr plans to take a 10\% cut of any cash paid as an administration fee. But, said Mr Sunde, it hopes to push that percentage lower as people sign up.</p></div><p>Nice try, Mr.Sunde. 10\% is a lot of cash!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : Initially , Flattr plans to take a 10 \ % cut of any cash paid as an administration fee .
But , said Mr Sunde , it hopes to push that percentage lower as people sign up.Nice try , Mr.Sunde .
10 \ % is a lot of cash !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:Initially, Flattr plans to take a 10\% cut of any cash paid as an administration fee.
But, said Mr Sunde, it hopes to push that percentage lower as people sign up.Nice try, Mr.Sunde.
10\% is a lot of cash!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125562</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31128206</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1266086040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds fine to me.  I have only so much attention in a month.  If my attention goes to one content provider, they should get all of the compensation.  If my attention is split between 5 content providers, they should split the compensation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds fine to me .
I have only so much attention in a month .
If my attention goes to one content provider , they should get all of the compensation .
If my attention is split between 5 content providers , they should split the compensation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds fine to me.
I have only so much attention in a month.
If my attention goes to one content provider, they should get all of the compensation.
If my attention is split between 5 content providers, they should split the compensation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125624</id>
	<title>lol - never would I trust them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266059400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeah, mr. criminal expects me to give him my credit card number and/or money. sure - why not!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah , mr. criminal expects me to give him my credit card number and/or money .
sure - why not !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah, mr. criminal expects me to give him my credit card number and/or money.
sure - why not!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31128318</id>
	<title>Re:Cut out the middleman</title>
	<author>Squiggle</author>
	<datestamp>1266086880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are already a number services that provide a "RSS feed for each artist that I already like" in a sense.
<ul>
<li> <a href="http://www.last.fm/" title="www.last.fm" rel="nofollow">LastFM</a> [www.last.fm] </li><li> <a href="http://www.songkick.com/" title="songkick.com" rel="nofollow">Songkick</a> [songkick.com] </li><li> <a href="http://www.tourfilter.com/" title="tourfilter.com" rel="nofollow">tourfilter</a> [tourfilter.com] </li></ul><p>
I see the development of these services and other recommendation services as far more important and useful than marketing, so the recording industry really has few places to go. What I'd like to see them evolve into is a focus on artist support and development services, where the artists are their customers and they help them prosper artistically and financially. Theoretically this is already part of the service the recording industry provides, and perhaps this side of it will improve when the corrupting influences of distribution control and marketing fade. Many artists need someone to help them deal with finances, the stress of the job, set up collaborations and inspiring life experiences, etc. It is very valuable for everyone (fans, artists, etc) to let artists focus on what they do best. The real trick is to protect artists so that when they let someone manage the finances the accountants don't take all the money for themselves (i.e. the current situation).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are already a number services that provide a " RSS feed for each artist that I already like " in a sense .
LastFM [ www.last.fm ] Songkick [ songkick.com ] tourfilter [ tourfilter.com ] I see the development of these services and other recommendation services as far more important and useful than marketing , so the recording industry really has few places to go .
What I 'd like to see them evolve into is a focus on artist support and development services , where the artists are their customers and they help them prosper artistically and financially .
Theoretically this is already part of the service the recording industry provides , and perhaps this side of it will improve when the corrupting influences of distribution control and marketing fade .
Many artists need someone to help them deal with finances , the stress of the job , set up collaborations and inspiring life experiences , etc .
It is very valuable for everyone ( fans , artists , etc ) to let artists focus on what they do best .
The real trick is to protect artists so that when they let someone manage the finances the accountants do n't take all the money for themselves ( i.e .
the current situation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are already a number services that provide a "RSS feed for each artist that I already like" in a sense.
LastFM [www.last.fm]  Songkick [songkick.com]  tourfilter [tourfilter.com] 
I see the development of these services and other recommendation services as far more important and useful than marketing, so the recording industry really has few places to go.
What I'd like to see them evolve into is a focus on artist support and development services, where the artists are their customers and they help them prosper artistically and financially.
Theoretically this is already part of the service the recording industry provides, and perhaps this side of it will improve when the corrupting influences of distribution control and marketing fade.
Many artists need someone to help them deal with finances, the stress of the job, set up collaborations and inspiring life experiences, etc.
It is very valuable for everyone (fans, artists, etc) to let artists focus on what they do best.
The real trick is to protect artists so that when they let someone manage the finances the accountants don't take all the money for themselves (i.e.
the current situation).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125982</id>
	<title>Re:I'd like to see this connected to ThePirateBay</title>
	<author>aliquis</author>
	<datestamp>1266065040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I downloaded this film, I liked it, *click*"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I downloaded this film , I liked it , * click * "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I downloaded this film, I liked it, *click*"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31130454</id>
	<title>Re:I'd like to see this connected to ThePirateBay</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1266060240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've suggested something like that before -- a micropayment made for downloading, AND a micropayment received for being a seed, all dependent on actual use. As you say it should be fairly easy to connect to a BT site; after all some of them already track ratios, and this is pretty much the same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've suggested something like that before -- a micropayment made for downloading , AND a micropayment received for being a seed , all dependent on actual use .
As you say it should be fairly easy to connect to a BT site ; after all some of them already track ratios , and this is pretty much the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've suggested something like that before -- a micropayment made for downloading, AND a micropayment received for being a seed, all dependent on actual use.
As you say it should be fairly easy to connect to a BT site; after all some of them already track ratios, and this is pretty much the same thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125584</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>grumbel</author>
	<datestamp>1266058860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The intro video doesn't say if it is possible to click multiple times on a Flattr button or pay larger chunks of "money", which would be needed if the scheme should be fair (blog post typed in a few minutes has a different value then a game that might have taken month or years to create).</p><p>Other then that, the scheme sounds quite good, as it is based around a flat fee, so you don't risk going bankrupt by clicking a few to many buttons and it also reduces the mental overhead that a normal payment would create.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The intro video does n't say if it is possible to click multiple times on a Flattr button or pay larger chunks of " money " , which would be needed if the scheme should be fair ( blog post typed in a few minutes has a different value then a game that might have taken month or years to create ) .Other then that , the scheme sounds quite good , as it is based around a flat fee , so you do n't risk going bankrupt by clicking a few to many buttons and it also reduces the mental overhead that a normal payment would create .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The intro video doesn't say if it is possible to click multiple times on a Flattr button or pay larger chunks of "money", which would be needed if the scheme should be fair (blog post typed in a few minutes has a different value then a game that might have taken month or years to create).Other then that, the scheme sounds quite good, as it is based around a flat fee, so you don't risk going bankrupt by clicking a few to many buttons and it also reduces the mental overhead that a normal payment would create.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126336</id>
	<title>Here's how I'd do it...</title>
	<author>Cruciform</author>
	<datestamp>1266070620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of constantly creating slices and diluting the amount equally between everyone, I want to be able to edit my Flatter profile the following way:</p><p>I log in and see all the sites I've Flattr'd in the last 30 days.<br>The site list is accompanied by sliders that are hooked into a bar graph or pie chart.</p><p>I slide the settings around until I'm satisfied with the split based on the content that I think has the most worth.</p><p>I can edit the sliders right up to payout day. That way if someone impresses me at the beginning of the month, but then pulls a bait-and-switch with trash for the following weeks (or it turned out they plagiarized another content producer) I can put that money elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of constantly creating slices and diluting the amount equally between everyone , I want to be able to edit my Flatter profile the following way : I log in and see all the sites I 've Flattr 'd in the last 30 days.The site list is accompanied by sliders that are hooked into a bar graph or pie chart.I slide the settings around until I 'm satisfied with the split based on the content that I think has the most worth.I can edit the sliders right up to payout day .
That way if someone impresses me at the beginning of the month , but then pulls a bait-and-switch with trash for the following weeks ( or it turned out they plagiarized another content producer ) I can put that money elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of constantly creating slices and diluting the amount equally between everyone, I want to be able to edit my Flatter profile the following way:I log in and see all the sites I've Flattr'd in the last 30 days.The site list is accompanied by sliders that are hooked into a bar graph or pie chart.I slide the settings around until I'm satisfied with the split based on the content that I think has the most worth.I can edit the sliders right up to payout day.
That way if someone impresses me at the beginning of the month, but then pulls a bait-and-switch with trash for the following weeks (or it turned out they plagiarized another content producer) I can put that money elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125832</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1266062760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, you always have the possibility to pay more per month. I really believe this is the missing piece of the culture in the online world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you always have the possibility to pay more per month .
I really believe this is the missing piece of the culture in the online world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you always have the possibility to pay more per month.
I really believe this is the missing piece of the culture in the online world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31128694</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266089580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading his Twitter, the answer to that seems to be no, and it seems to be this way by design.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading his Twitter , the answer to that seems to be no , and it seems to be this way by design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading his Twitter, the answer to that seems to be no, and it seems to be this way by design.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31130062</id>
	<title>Avoid cliffhanger subject lines</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1266056940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your subject line is a cliff-hanger. Why not just summarize your idea rather than require the reader to read your post to even know what the overall idea is? Suggestion: "Excellent if it becomes popular".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your subject line is a cliff-hanger .
Why not just summarize your idea rather than require the reader to read your post to even know what the overall idea is ?
Suggestion : " Excellent if it becomes popular " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your subject line is a cliff-hanger.
Why not just summarize your idea rather than require the reader to read your post to even know what the overall idea is?
Suggestion: "Excellent if it becomes popular".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31143034</id>
	<title>Re:This might explain why he was working with AES:</title>
	<author>gaqzi</author>
	<datestamp>1266241980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that has to do with his work to try and avoid the Swedish mass surveilance: <a href="http://blog.brokep.com/2010/01/09/fra-to-hell/" title="brokep.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.brokep.com/2010/01/09/fra-to-hell/</a> [brokep.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that has to do with his work to try and avoid the Swedish mass surveilance : http : //blog.brokep.com/2010/01/09/fra-to-hell/ [ brokep.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that has to do with his work to try and avoid the Swedish mass surveilance: http://blog.brokep.com/2010/01/09/fra-to-hell/ [brokep.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125612</id>
	<title>Re:I am so sure about this.</title>
	<author>dgr73</author>
	<datestamp>1266059340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's a great idea, it allows you to control how much you give. Sure, there may be cases where your donation may be 1cent, but it's a MICROpayment system. And if you run a decent site with a dedicated following, it'd be easy for people to click on your "Flattr" button to say "Thanks", which in turn creates a much bigger revenue stream than single donations would.
<p>
For example: If you have 5000 people a month visiting you and you get Flattr revenues from 1/4 of them between the amounts of $0.01 and $2, with the average being $0,25 you would net $312,5 each month. That's a decent help with the server &amp; hosting bills. How many sites with Paypal donate buttons can claim similar figures? (I agree, my figures are just random figures, but not entirely unrealistic, given the proposed system)
</p><p>
Another counter argument I guess is "Will people use it?"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. that is anyone's guess, but I would totally put some money into the account and whenever I saw something interesting or worth supporting, I could put my money where my mouth is. This instead of saying "If only paypal wasn't so much of a hassle and require so big an investment to donate, I would help these guys". Imagine what this'll do to small pieces of free software, many of which die of neglect because of lack of incentive.
</p><p>
Lots of popular sites right now run on good will of the owner, some individual donations and ads. And in many cases ads that are not very benign in nature. This Flattr system seems to offer a way out of this. Hell, it could probably be expanded to be a payment system for fixed-size payments.. like "Click here to pay $1.99" -&gt; Goto Flattr site to confirm -&gt; Get authenticated as paid customer.
</p><p>
I guess it remains to be seen if this system is any good. But I don't expect it to fail on the willingness of people to pay.. if it fails it probably fails on lack of participating sites or problems on making a deposit. I will sure as hell give it a whirl.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's a great idea , it allows you to control how much you give .
Sure , there may be cases where your donation may be 1cent , but it 's a MICROpayment system .
And if you run a decent site with a dedicated following , it 'd be easy for people to click on your " Flattr " button to say " Thanks " , which in turn creates a much bigger revenue stream than single donations would .
For example : If you have 5000 people a month visiting you and you get Flattr revenues from 1/4 of them between the amounts of $ 0.01 and $ 2 , with the average being $ 0,25 you would net $ 312,5 each month .
That 's a decent help with the server &amp; hosting bills .
How many sites with Paypal donate buttons can claim similar figures ?
( I agree , my figures are just random figures , but not entirely unrealistic , given the proposed system ) Another counter argument I guess is " Will people use it ?
" .. that is anyone 's guess , but I would totally put some money into the account and whenever I saw something interesting or worth supporting , I could put my money where my mouth is .
This instead of saying " If only paypal was n't so much of a hassle and require so big an investment to donate , I would help these guys " .
Imagine what this 'll do to small pieces of free software , many of which die of neglect because of lack of incentive .
Lots of popular sites right now run on good will of the owner , some individual donations and ads .
And in many cases ads that are not very benign in nature .
This Flattr system seems to offer a way out of this .
Hell , it could probably be expanded to be a payment system for fixed-size payments.. like " Click here to pay $ 1.99 " - &gt; Goto Flattr site to confirm - &gt; Get authenticated as paid customer .
I guess it remains to be seen if this system is any good .
But I do n't expect it to fail on the willingness of people to pay.. if it fails it probably fails on lack of participating sites or problems on making a deposit .
I will sure as hell give it a whirl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's a great idea, it allows you to control how much you give.
Sure, there may be cases where your donation may be 1cent, but it's a MICROpayment system.
And if you run a decent site with a dedicated following, it'd be easy for people to click on your "Flattr" button to say "Thanks", which in turn creates a much bigger revenue stream than single donations would.
For example: If you have 5000 people a month visiting you and you get Flattr revenues from 1/4 of them between the amounts of $0.01 and $2, with the average being $0,25 you would net $312,5 each month.
That's a decent help with the server &amp; hosting bills.
How many sites with Paypal donate buttons can claim similar figures?
(I agree, my figures are just random figures, but not entirely unrealistic, given the proposed system)

Another counter argument I guess is "Will people use it?
" .. that is anyone's guess, but I would totally put some money into the account and whenever I saw something interesting or worth supporting, I could put my money where my mouth is.
This instead of saying "If only paypal wasn't so much of a hassle and require so big an investment to donate, I would help these guys".
Imagine what this'll do to small pieces of free software, many of which die of neglect because of lack of incentive.
Lots of popular sites right now run on good will of the owner, some individual donations and ads.
And in many cases ads that are not very benign in nature.
This Flattr system seems to offer a way out of this.
Hell, it could probably be expanded to be a payment system for fixed-size payments.. like "Click here to pay $1.99" -&gt; Goto Flattr site to confirm -&gt; Get authenticated as paid customer.
I guess it remains to be seen if this system is any good.
But I don't expect it to fail on the willingness of people to pay.. if it fails it probably fails on lack of participating sites or problems on making a deposit.
I will sure as hell give it a whirl.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31131302</id>
	<title>Re:Good idea</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1266068700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Must as i don't mind pirate bay
and similar services telling
people where to find downloads, its wasn't very legal and
the guys doing it knew they where pushing the law. Now
one of these guys wants to set up a micropayment service
after his last site was shutdown by the law, i'm not sure
I trust his new site at all. Unless his account is Abraham
Lincion or Mahitma Gandi, i don't think i'll trust his payment
service with any of my money.
<p>
---
</p><p> <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/E-Commerce/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">E-Commerce</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Must as i do n't mind pirate bay and similar services telling people where to find downloads , its was n't very legal and the guys doing it knew they where pushing the law .
Now one of these guys wants to set up a micropayment service after his last site was shutdown by the law , i 'm not sure I trust his new site at all .
Unless his account is Abraham Lincion or Mahitma Gandi , i do n't think i 'll trust his payment service with any of my money .
--- E-Commerce [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Must as i don't mind pirate bay
and similar services telling
people where to find downloads, its wasn't very legal and
the guys doing it knew they where pushing the law.
Now
one of these guys wants to set up a micropayment service
after his last site was shutdown by the law, i'm not sure
I trust his new site at all.
Unless his account is Abraham
Lincion or Mahitma Gandi, i don't think i'll trust his payment
service with any of my money.
---
 E-Commerce [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31127160</id>
	<title>Who's using FLATTR?</title>
	<author>hoggoth</author>
	<datestamp>1266078600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love the idea.<br>I am ready to sign up when some of my favorite content creators are using it. Until then, however, there is no reason for me to join. I know... chicken and egg...</p><p>The Flattr web site needs a list of content creators using the service!</p><p>XKCD?<br>Cory Doctorow?<br>Jonathan Coulton?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the idea.I am ready to sign up when some of my favorite content creators are using it .
Until then , however , there is no reason for me to join .
I know... chicken and egg...The Flattr web site needs a list of content creators using the service ! XKCD ? Cory Doctorow ? Jonathan Coulton ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the idea.I am ready to sign up when some of my favorite content creators are using it.
Until then, however, there is no reason for me to join.
I know... chicken and egg...The Flattr web site needs a list of content creators using the service!XKCD?Cory Doctorow?Jonathan Coulton?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126030</id>
	<title>Translation</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1266066000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'We want to encourage people to share money as well as content'</p> </div><p>I'm done working that side of the fence. Now I'll work this one and make a mint here too.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>'people love things and they want to pay'.</p></div><p>I want people's money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'We want to encourage people to share money as well as content ' I 'm done working that side of the fence .
Now I 'll work this one and make a mint here too .
'people love things and they want to pay'.I want people 's money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'We want to encourage people to share money as well as content' I'm done working that side of the fence.
Now I'll work this one and make a mint here too.
'people love things and they want to pay'.I want people's money.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125582</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>snaggen</author>
	<datestamp>1266058800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The good thing about this arrangement is that it will make it easier to donate money. It doesn't matter how many Flattr I click I still have the same cost, I do not have to keep track just to know I have the money on my account. I also don't have to take so many decisions, like how much to I think this song/game/application/book is worth or do I really going to enjoy it so it is worth anything at all, I just click.<br>So there are clear advantages of this arrangement. And I do not see it as a way to charge for a product, but as an alternative to the PayPal donate button.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The good thing about this arrangement is that it will make it easier to donate money .
It does n't matter how many Flattr I click I still have the same cost , I do not have to keep track just to know I have the money on my account .
I also do n't have to take so many decisions , like how much to I think this song/game/application/book is worth or do I really going to enjoy it so it is worth anything at all , I just click.So there are clear advantages of this arrangement .
And I do not see it as a way to charge for a product , but as an alternative to the PayPal donate button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The good thing about this arrangement is that it will make it easier to donate money.
It doesn't matter how many Flattr I click I still have the same cost, I do not have to keep track just to know I have the money on my account.
I also don't have to take so many decisions, like how much to I think this song/game/application/book is worth or do I really going to enjoy it so it is worth anything at all, I just click.So there are clear advantages of this arrangement.
And I do not see it as a way to charge for a product, but as an alternative to the PayPal donate button.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125782</id>
	<title>BiZ8atch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266062160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">I'M DISCUSSING Unless you can work WASTE OF BITS AND RECENT SYS ADMIN Official GNAA irc base for FreeBSD Faster than this anOd as BSD sinks</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'M DISCUSSING Unless you can work WASTE OF BITS AND RECENT SYS ADMIN Official GNAA irc base for FreeBSD Faster than this anOd as BSD sinks [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'M DISCUSSING Unless you can work WASTE OF BITS AND RECENT SYS ADMIN Official GNAA irc base for FreeBSD Faster than this anOd as BSD sinks [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125572</id>
	<title>Trust me, would this face lie?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266058680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>""We're not really in this for becoming rich," he said. "We're doing it to change things and making people get money they never got before."</p><p>"I know that people are nice enough," he said. "People love things and they want to pay." "</p><p>Well three things. One the guy has trust issues. Two the history of micro payment is a troubled one. And three the shear irony of that man saying "people want to pay" considering his original customers is black hole awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" " We 're not really in this for becoming rich , " he said .
" We 're doing it to change things and making people get money they never got before .
" " I know that people are nice enough , " he said .
" People love things and they want to pay .
" " Well three things .
One the guy has trust issues .
Two the history of micro payment is a troubled one .
And three the shear irony of that man saying " people want to pay " considering his original customers is black hole awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>""We're not really in this for becoming rich," he said.
"We're doing it to change things and making people get money they never got before.
""I know that people are nice enough," he said.
"People love things and they want to pay.
" "Well three things.
One the guy has trust issues.
Two the history of micro payment is a troubled one.
And three the shear irony of that man saying "people want to pay" considering his original customers is black hole awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31129760</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1266054420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd hope they add features for browsing your flattr history and repeating the best sites.  It'd also rock if they set up a system for giving larger sums to non-profits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd hope they add features for browsing your flattr history and repeating the best sites .
It 'd also rock if they set up a system for giving larger sums to non-profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd hope they add features for browsing your flattr history and repeating the best sites.
It'd also rock if they set up a system for giving larger sums to non-profits.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125524</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126334</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1266070560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; blog post typed in a few minutes has a different value then a game that<br>&gt; might have taken month or years to create</p><p>I don't know about games specifically but I have seen many works that took months or years to create that were of negative values.  One pays for results, not effort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; blog post typed in a few minutes has a different value then a game that &gt; might have taken month or years to createI do n't know about games specifically but I have seen many works that took months or years to create that were of negative values .
One pays for results , not effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; blog post typed in a few minutes has a different value then a game that&gt; might have taken month or years to createI don't know about games specifically but I have seen many works that took months or years to create that were of negative values.
One pays for results, not effort.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125584</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126020</id>
	<title>Re:I'd like to see this connected to ThePirateBay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266065700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, but while the user base remains small, the cost to administer remains high per user.  This is why micropayments have been so difficult to achieve in the past - the high cost per transaction makes payments under a few bucks unprofitable to the recipient (who is usually on the hook for the transaction fee).  The only way to do micropayments profitably is to have a large user base so that at the end of the month (or week, whatever your payment cycle), each recipient is receiving the sum of the micropayments from hundreds or thousands of customers, totaling up to a payment that is economically profitable for the recipient.</p><p> For this service, Sunde is flipping it around and charging the sender rather than the recipient, and so the x\%/y cents (whichever is greater) per transaction has to come from your membership.  When 95\% of the payments use the more reasonable x\% because they are large, the administrative fee can drop, but while a significant majority of payments are charged y cents, which can be 50\% or more of the total transaction, the administrative fee must be high to cover that.  In the earliest stages, it is even possible that the service will need to operate at a loss as the 10\% might not even be enough to cover transaction fees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , but while the user base remains small , the cost to administer remains high per user .
This is why micropayments have been so difficult to achieve in the past - the high cost per transaction makes payments under a few bucks unprofitable to the recipient ( who is usually on the hook for the transaction fee ) .
The only way to do micropayments profitably is to have a large user base so that at the end of the month ( or week , whatever your payment cycle ) , each recipient is receiving the sum of the micropayments from hundreds or thousands of customers , totaling up to a payment that is economically profitable for the recipient .
For this service , Sunde is flipping it around and charging the sender rather than the recipient , and so the x \ % /y cents ( whichever is greater ) per transaction has to come from your membership .
When 95 \ % of the payments use the more reasonable x \ % because they are large , the administrative fee can drop , but while a significant majority of payments are charged y cents , which can be 50 \ % or more of the total transaction , the administrative fee must be high to cover that .
In the earliest stages , it is even possible that the service will need to operate at a loss as the 10 \ % might not even be enough to cover transaction fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, but while the user base remains small, the cost to administer remains high per user.
This is why micropayments have been so difficult to achieve in the past - the high cost per transaction makes payments under a few bucks unprofitable to the recipient (who is usually on the hook for the transaction fee).
The only way to do micropayments profitably is to have a large user base so that at the end of the month (or week, whatever your payment cycle), each recipient is receiving the sum of the micropayments from hundreds or thousands of customers, totaling up to a payment that is economically profitable for the recipient.
For this service, Sunde is flipping it around and charging the sender rather than the recipient, and so the x\%/y cents (whichever is greater) per transaction has to come from your membership.
When 95\% of the payments use the more reasonable x\% because they are large, the administrative fee can drop, but while a significant majority of payments are charged y cents, which can be 50\% or more of the total transaction, the administrative fee must be high to cover that.
In the earliest stages, it is even possible that the service will need to operate at a loss as the 10\% might not even be enough to cover transaction fees.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125820</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125562</id>
	<title>I'd like to see this connected to ThePirateBay</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1266058500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Connect the micro payment system to the torrents and any registered individual human parties that can prove identity and/or copyright ownership and is not big media.</p><p>This could give opportunity to actually pay the actual artists who want to get paid for the sharing that is going on.  This should really serve to piss off the big media publishers who are essentially pimping the work of others for huge personal gain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Connect the micro payment system to the torrents and any registered individual human parties that can prove identity and/or copyright ownership and is not big media.This could give opportunity to actually pay the actual artists who want to get paid for the sharing that is going on .
This should really serve to piss off the big media publishers who are essentially pimping the work of others for huge personal gain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Connect the micro payment system to the torrents and any registered individual human parties that can prove identity and/or copyright ownership and is not big media.This could give opportunity to actually pay the actual artists who want to get paid for the sharing that is going on.
This should really serve to piss off the big media publishers who are essentially pimping the work of others for huge personal gain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126510</id>
	<title>Genius idea</title>
	<author>horza</author>
	<datestamp>1266072480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a great idea. One thing that I would really like to see is an AJAXy tree of categories where I can give a fixed budget to site categories. Eg News-&gt;$10, Software-&gt;FOSS $40</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a great idea .
One thing that I would really like to see is an AJAXy tree of categories where I can give a fixed budget to site categories .
Eg News- &gt; $ 10 , Software- &gt; FOSS $ 40Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a great idea.
One thing that I would really like to see is an AJAXy tree of categories where I can give a fixed budget to site categories.
Eg News-&gt;$10, Software-&gt;FOSS $40Phillip.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126460</id>
	<title>So where are the demands...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1266071820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that Flattr be "regulated as a bank"?  After all, we can't have people going around doing things without permission now can we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that Flattr be " regulated as a bank " ?
After all , we ca n't have people going around doing things without permission now can we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that Flattr be "regulated as a bank"?
After all, we can't have people going around doing things without permission now can we?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126122</id>
	<title>Great idea!</title>
	<author>hatten</author>
	<datestamp>1266067740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is a great idea. If one have a system where you pay a set amount of money for each click on a website one might stop for a split second and think if it's really worth it, and if you can afford it. With this you know you are going to pay a set amount of money each month, so you don't lose anything on pressing a button somewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is a great idea .
If one have a system where you pay a set amount of money for each click on a website one might stop for a split second and think if it 's really worth it , and if you can afford it .
With this you know you are going to pay a set amount of money each month , so you do n't lose anything on pressing a button somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is a great idea.
If one have a system where you pay a set amount of money for each click on a website one might stop for a split second and think if it's really worth it, and if you can afford it.
With this you know you are going to pay a set amount of money each month, so you don't lose anything on pressing a button somewhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31127092</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>pigphish</author>
	<datestamp>1266078000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why couldn't you  flatter one site 20 times out of the 100?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why could n't you flatter one site 20 times out of the 100 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why couldn't you  flatter one site 20 times out of the 100?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125524</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126112</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1266067620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems fair to me. If you just like one site, odds are you like it a lot more strongly than one who uses 100.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems fair to me .
If you just like one site , odds are you like it a lot more strongly than one who uses 100 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems fair to me.
If you just like one site, odds are you like it a lot more strongly than one who uses 100.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31127784</id>
	<title>Great</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1266082980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I do this without a PayPal or a bank account? Because if I can't, forget it. I can already pay for airline tickets at the convenience store after ordering them on the net. They need to come up with something similar for this. And in this case it needs to be anonymous. Otherwise, "guess who" will using this to track people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I do this without a PayPal or a bank account ?
Because if I ca n't , forget it .
I can already pay for airline tickets at the convenience store after ordering them on the net .
They need to come up with something similar for this .
And in this case it needs to be anonymous .
Otherwise , " guess who " will using this to track people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I do this without a PayPal or a bank account?
Because if I can't, forget it.
I can already pay for airline tickets at the convenience store after ordering them on the net.
They need to come up with something similar for this.
And in this case it needs to be anonymous.
Otherwise, "guess who" will using this to track people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126938</id>
	<title>Charities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266076500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This can be especially useful for managing recurrent donations to various charities etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This can be especially useful for managing recurrent donations to various charities etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This can be especially useful for managing recurrent donations to various charities etc...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126192</id>
	<title>Good ol' buying vs. downloading revisited</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266069120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And three the shear irony of that man saying "people want to pay" considering his original customers is black hole awesome.</p></div><p>Not necessarily.</p><p>You often hear "There are no (or at most, little) losses of profit from piracy because people wouldn't have bought the music/games/software/movies/etc. anyways". That is only partially true, however: People wouldn't have bought the products for the price they would have had to pay. A college student might want to try out some nice game that people are talking about but he usually only has two options: "Pay 70 dollars (the PC games cost about 50 euros where I live) or nothing". Now, it might well be that they don't have the 70 dollars so they can pay nothing for the game. At that point the situation is "I can't pay anything, so the authors/developers/artists gain nothing and lose nothing based on what I do. The question of whether I download the product is entirely irrelevant to their profits. I have thus feel no moral obligation to not download" and then they download. It's the same thing with paying 30 dollars for a CD, especially when you know that most of the money wouldn't go to the artist you want to support even if you paid for the product.</p><p>Now, micropayments offer you the possibility to give less but still something. Perhaps you can't afford to give a few dozen dollars for a CD, but can afford to give a few. So you can act just like you did before, except now the artist gets what little you can pay instead of the "all or nothing" policy. I think it is awesome idea but like all concepts like this one, it needs a critical mass of people to succeed and I'm not sure if it can achieve that. But in theory, it's great. Now, as for your other things...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>One the guy has trust issues.</p></div><p>That's irrelevant to everything. I don't care if he is there out of love towards creative commons or to become rich. If he offers a great service, awesome. If he earns something in the progress, I don't mind.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Two the history of micro payment is a troubled one.</p> </div><p>True, but this might be able to circumwent that. In Flattr you (apparently, I haven't RTFA yet) pay flat rate each month and then your donations are just divided to artists in the form of micropayments. It has some problems of it's own but still, it might well be the solution for many problems concerning micropayments.</p><p>-AC</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And three the shear irony of that man saying " people want to pay " considering his original customers is black hole awesome.Not necessarily.You often hear " There are no ( or at most , little ) losses of profit from piracy because people would n't have bought the music/games/software/movies/etc .
anyways " . That is only partially true , however : People would n't have bought the products for the price they would have had to pay .
A college student might want to try out some nice game that people are talking about but he usually only has two options : " Pay 70 dollars ( the PC games cost about 50 euros where I live ) or nothing " .
Now , it might well be that they do n't have the 70 dollars so they can pay nothing for the game .
At that point the situation is " I ca n't pay anything , so the authors/developers/artists gain nothing and lose nothing based on what I do .
The question of whether I download the product is entirely irrelevant to their profits .
I have thus feel no moral obligation to not download " and then they download .
It 's the same thing with paying 30 dollars for a CD , especially when you know that most of the money would n't go to the artist you want to support even if you paid for the product.Now , micropayments offer you the possibility to give less but still something .
Perhaps you ca n't afford to give a few dozen dollars for a CD , but can afford to give a few .
So you can act just like you did before , except now the artist gets what little you can pay instead of the " all or nothing " policy .
I think it is awesome idea but like all concepts like this one , it needs a critical mass of people to succeed and I 'm not sure if it can achieve that .
But in theory , it 's great .
Now , as for your other things...One the guy has trust issues.That 's irrelevant to everything .
I do n't care if he is there out of love towards creative commons or to become rich .
If he offers a great service , awesome .
If he earns something in the progress , I do n't mind.Two the history of micro payment is a troubled one .
True , but this might be able to circumwent that .
In Flattr you ( apparently , I have n't RTFA yet ) pay flat rate each month and then your donations are just divided to artists in the form of micropayments .
It has some problems of it 's own but still , it might well be the solution for many problems concerning micropayments.-AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And three the shear irony of that man saying "people want to pay" considering his original customers is black hole awesome.Not necessarily.You often hear "There are no (or at most, little) losses of profit from piracy because people wouldn't have bought the music/games/software/movies/etc.
anyways". That is only partially true, however: People wouldn't have bought the products for the price they would have had to pay.
A college student might want to try out some nice game that people are talking about but he usually only has two options: "Pay 70 dollars (the PC games cost about 50 euros where I live) or nothing".
Now, it might well be that they don't have the 70 dollars so they can pay nothing for the game.
At that point the situation is "I can't pay anything, so the authors/developers/artists gain nothing and lose nothing based on what I do.
The question of whether I download the product is entirely irrelevant to their profits.
I have thus feel no moral obligation to not download" and then they download.
It's the same thing with paying 30 dollars for a CD, especially when you know that most of the money wouldn't go to the artist you want to support even if you paid for the product.Now, micropayments offer you the possibility to give less but still something.
Perhaps you can't afford to give a few dozen dollars for a CD, but can afford to give a few.
So you can act just like you did before, except now the artist gets what little you can pay instead of the "all or nothing" policy.
I think it is awesome idea but like all concepts like this one, it needs a critical mass of people to succeed and I'm not sure if it can achieve that.
But in theory, it's great.
Now, as for your other things...One the guy has trust issues.That's irrelevant to everything.
I don't care if he is there out of love towards creative commons or to become rich.
If he offers a great service, awesome.
If he earns something in the progress, I don't mind.Two the history of micro payment is a troubled one.
True, but this might be able to circumwent that.
In Flattr you (apparently, I haven't RTFA yet) pay flat rate each month and then your donations are just divided to artists in the form of micropayments.
It has some problems of it's own but still, it might well be the solution for many problems concerning micropayments.-AC
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31132332</id>
	<title>Re:Cut out the middleman</title>
	<author>MacWiz</author>
	<datestamp>1266081120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs.</i></p><p>iTunes, Amazon and other services have already done that. Anyone can now release their music directly into the largest music retailer's inventory, something that was pretty much impossible without a record contract 15 years ago.</p><p>I think the idea is to create a competitor for PayPal, something that is long overdue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs.iTunes , Amazon and other services have already done that .
Anyone can now release their music directly into the largest music retailer 's inventory , something that was pretty much impossible without a record contract 15 years ago.I think the idea is to create a competitor for PayPal , something that is long overdue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs.iTunes, Amazon and other services have already done that.
Anyone can now release their music directly into the largest music retailer's inventory, something that was pretty much impossible without a record contract 15 years ago.I think the idea is to create a competitor for PayPal, something that is long overdue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125650</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126350</id>
	<title>Flat - flatter...</title>
	<author>MindPrison</author>
	<datestamp>1266070680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...FLATTR!</p><p>Of course - I'd run faster than light to give my credit-card information to the Pirate Bay Pirates, that only makes perfect sense in bizarro world!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...FLATTR ! Of course - I 'd run faster than light to give my credit-card information to the Pirate Bay Pirates , that only makes perfect sense in bizarro world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...FLATTR!Of course - I'd run faster than light to give my credit-card information to the Pirate Bay Pirates, that only makes perfect sense in bizarro world!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125524</id>
	<title>I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1266057660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The way Flattr is set up, your monthly payment is divided up among the sites you Flattr that month... so if you Flattr 5 sites it will be divided by 5, if you Flattr 100 sites it will be divided by 100. I am not sure I like that arrangement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The way Flattr is set up , your monthly payment is divided up among the sites you Flattr that month... so if you Flattr 5 sites it will be divided by 5 , if you Flattr 100 sites it will be divided by 100 .
I am not sure I like that arrangement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way Flattr is set up, your monthly payment is divided up among the sites you Flattr that month... so if you Flattr 5 sites it will be divided by 5, if you Flattr 100 sites it will be divided by 100.
I am not sure I like that arrangement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126130</id>
	<title>Re:Trust me, would this face lie?</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1266067860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, people don't want to pay. But they want to show their approval - even on Pirate Pay you see that plainly enough. Now they can do it in a way that is easy, will be taken sincerely (since it costs the approver some money), and will benefit the recipient financially as well as emotionally.</p><p>I think this a great idea. To be honest, I didn't think I would say that about any business model proposed by a Pirate Bay person... but I want to give this a chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , people do n't want to pay .
But they want to show their approval - even on Pirate Pay you see that plainly enough .
Now they can do it in a way that is easy , will be taken sincerely ( since it costs the approver some money ) , and will benefit the recipient financially as well as emotionally.I think this a great idea .
To be honest , I did n't think I would say that about any business model proposed by a Pirate Bay person... but I want to give this a chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, people don't want to pay.
But they want to show their approval - even on Pirate Pay you see that plainly enough.
Now they can do it in a way that is easy, will be taken sincerely (since it costs the approver some money), and will benefit the recipient financially as well as emotionally.I think this a great idea.
To be honest, I didn't think I would say that about any business model proposed by a Pirate Bay person... but I want to give this a chance.</sentencetext>
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	<title>This might explain why he was working with AES:</title>
	<author>rigolo</author>
	<datestamp>1266060180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This might explain why he was working with AES:</p><p><a href="http://twitter.com/brokep/status/7915813818" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/brokep/status/7915813818</a> [twitter.com]<br>"@niczar I clocked 12.8Gbps using AES 128 ECB on a dual quad 2.26ghz xeon with HT (= 16 cores). Not cost efficient."</p><p><a href="http://twitter.com/brokep/status/7905751784" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/brokep/status/7905751784</a> [twitter.com]<br>Is there a fast solution with a graphics card to do #AES within #Linux? I need 10Gbps or so realtime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This might explain why he was working with AES : http : //twitter.com/brokep/status/7915813818 [ twitter.com ] " @ niczar I clocked 12.8Gbps using AES 128 ECB on a dual quad 2.26ghz xeon with HT ( = 16 cores ) .
Not cost efficient .
" http : //twitter.com/brokep/status/7905751784 [ twitter.com ] Is there a fast solution with a graphics card to do # AES within # Linux ?
I need 10Gbps or so realtime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This might explain why he was working with AES:http://twitter.com/brokep/status/7915813818 [twitter.com]"@niczar I clocked 12.8Gbps using AES 128 ECB on a dual quad 2.26ghz xeon with HT (= 16 cores).
Not cost efficient.
"http://twitter.com/brokep/status/7905751784 [twitter.com]Is there a fast solution with a graphics card to do #AES within #Linux?
I need 10Gbps or so realtime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31130408</id>
	<title>Re:Here's how I'd do it...</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1266059700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a really good idea. And people who can't be arsed to twiddle the amounts wouldn't have to bother, either.</p><p>Tho I would ensure that it isn't some flash app that not everyone can use -- a text interface where it automagically juggles the total as you change the sub-amounts would be nice for non-flash types. (This can be done easily enough; survey sites do it regularly with javascript.)</p><p>Another option might be customizable default account settings, where I could weight movies, music, or whatever, higher or lower as I see fit, then not have to juggle anything again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a really good idea .
And people who ca n't be arsed to twiddle the amounts would n't have to bother , either.Tho I would ensure that it is n't some flash app that not everyone can use -- a text interface where it automagically juggles the total as you change the sub-amounts would be nice for non-flash types .
( This can be done easily enough ; survey sites do it regularly with javascript .
) Another option might be customizable default account settings , where I could weight movies , music , or whatever , higher or lower as I see fit , then not have to juggle anything again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a really good idea.
And people who can't be arsed to twiddle the amounts wouldn't have to bother, either.Tho I would ensure that it isn't some flash app that not everyone can use -- a text interface where it automagically juggles the total as you change the sub-amounts would be nice for non-flash types.
(This can be done easily enough; survey sites do it regularly with javascript.
)Another option might be customizable default account settings, where I could weight movies, music, or whatever, higher or lower as I see fit, then not have to juggle anything again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126238</id>
	<title>Tax?</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1266069720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Governments are going to want to tax this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments are going to want to tax this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments are going to want to tax this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31125556</id>
	<title>Re:I am not so sure about this.</title>
	<author>BiggerIsBetter</author>
	<datestamp>1266058320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. Perhaps a set amount per Flattr would be more palatable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Perhaps a set amount per Flattr would be more palatable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Perhaps a set amount per Flattr would be more palatable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31130544</id>
	<title>What content?</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1266060960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which content providers are signed up with Flattr.com to provide content? Or are they just taking in the money and hoping content providers will retroactively sell their content for whatever Flattr.com is willing to pay them for it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which content providers are signed up with Flattr.com to provide content ?
Or are they just taking in the money and hoping content providers will retroactively sell their content for whatever Flattr.com is willing to pay them for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which content providers are signed up with Flattr.com to provide content?
Or are they just taking in the money and hoping content providers will retroactively sell their content for whatever Flattr.com is willing to pay them for it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126560</id>
	<title>Lets all Fucking worship sunde</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266072840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More interested to know as to how the fuck the video was made. Looks similar to the old "Sub prime mortgage" video. Mother fuckers, with this kind of talent I'ma worship Sunde instead of the sun god.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More interested to know as to how the fuck the video was made .
Looks similar to the old " Sub prime mortgage " video .
Mother fuckers , with this kind of talent I'ma worship Sunde instead of the sun god .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More interested to know as to how the fuck the video was made.
Looks similar to the old "Sub prime mortgage" video.
Mother fuckers, with this kind of talent I'ma worship Sunde instead of the sun god.</sentencetext>
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	<title>and?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266071160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>tl;dr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>tl ; dr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tl;dr</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_13_0251259.31126190</id>
	<title>Re:Cut out the middleman</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1266069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs. In the digital age, the only real service they provide is marketing, and if you're already interested in paying money for someone's music, then those marketing services don't really add any value to the product you're paying for.</p></div><p>I disagree.  I think that if the "recording industry" has a chance of survival, it needs to convert to pure marketing.  Along the way it needs to convert to becoming a service where their customer is the artist - not the end-user.  That means abandoning their weakening grip on distribution where the value they provide is solely the result of the artificial scarcity they create in controlling distribution channels.</p><p>As a music buyer, I need marketing even for bands that I know about.  I need to be informed in a timely fashion when they have new music or are on tour or do things like spin-off projects and collobrations.  I would really like to be able to subscribe to the equivalent of an RSS feed for each artist that I already like (and that's not limited to musicians either - it can just as easily apply to writers, directors, actors, even painters and artists that work in less digital mediums like say fireworks crews).</p><p>What I don't need is hype - which I'm sure is the last thing those marketing execs will ever be able to let go of.  And to be honest - a lot of the hoi polloi DO need hype - in the same way that the majority of the population are content to be lead rather than think independently for themselves in terms of politics or even the way they live their lives (go to college, get a job, get married, raise a family, die - the great american dream).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs .
In the digital age , the only real service they provide is marketing , and if you 're already interested in paying money for someone 's music , then those marketing services do n't really add any value to the product you 're paying for.I disagree .
I think that if the " recording industry " has a chance of survival , it needs to convert to pure marketing .
Along the way it needs to convert to becoming a service where their customer is the artist - not the end-user .
That means abandoning their weakening grip on distribution where the value they provide is solely the result of the artificial scarcity they create in controlling distribution channels.As a music buyer , I need marketing even for bands that I know about .
I need to be informed in a timely fashion when they have new music or are on tour or do things like spin-off projects and collobrations .
I would really like to be able to subscribe to the equivalent of an RSS feed for each artist that I already like ( and that 's not limited to musicians either - it can just as easily apply to writers , directors , actors , even painters and artists that work in less digital mediums like say fireworks crews ) .What I do n't need is hype - which I 'm sure is the last thing those marketing execs will ever be able to let go of .
And to be honest - a lot of the hoi polloi DO need hype - in the same way that the majority of the population are content to be lead rather than think independently for themselves in terms of politics or even the way they live their lives ( go to college , get a job , get married , raise a family , die - the great american dream ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key here is to eliminate the role of the recording industry execs.
In the digital age, the only real service they provide is marketing, and if you're already interested in paying money for someone's music, then those marketing services don't really add any value to the product you're paying for.I disagree.
I think that if the "recording industry" has a chance of survival, it needs to convert to pure marketing.
Along the way it needs to convert to becoming a service where their customer is the artist - not the end-user.
That means abandoning their weakening grip on distribution where the value they provide is solely the result of the artificial scarcity they create in controlling distribution channels.As a music buyer, I need marketing even for bands that I know about.
I need to be informed in a timely fashion when they have new music or are on tour or do things like spin-off projects and collobrations.
I would really like to be able to subscribe to the equivalent of an RSS feed for each artist that I already like (and that's not limited to musicians either - it can just as easily apply to writers, directors, actors, even painters and artists that work in less digital mediums like say fireworks crews).What I don't need is hype - which I'm sure is the last thing those marketing execs will ever be able to let go of.
And to be honest - a lot of the hoi polloi DO need hype - in the same way that the majority of the population are content to be lead rather than think independently for themselves in terms of politics or even the way they live their lives (go to college, get a job, get married, raise a family, die - the great american dream).
	</sentencetext>
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