<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_12_1824229</id>
	<title>Wi-Fi In a SIM Card</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265965800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>gaijin\_ writes <i>"What if, rather than buying a MiFi or using a Wi-Fi router app like those on the Palm Pre Plus, you could stick a SIM in any device and <a href="http://www.slashgear.com/sagem-orga-simfi-embeds-wifi-onto-a-3g-sim-card-1273793/">have a shared 3G connection</a>? That's what Sagem Orga and Telefonica are promising: they've developed the SIMFi, a <a href="http://www.sagem-orga.com/index.php?myELEMENT=World\%20premier:\%20Sagem\%20Orga\%20and\%20Telefonica\%20turn\%20the\%20SIM\%20card\%20into\%20a\%20Wi-Fi\%20hotspot&amp;mySID=cbd11aad8770d04adc34f134a0bf442b&amp;new\_site\_id=2">USIM card with an embedded Wi-Fi radio</a> that, when dropped into any standard handset, can share the 3G HSPA connection with various Wi-Fi clients as an instant access point."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>gaijin \ _ writes " What if , rather than buying a MiFi or using a Wi-Fi router app like those on the Palm Pre Plus , you could stick a SIM in any device and have a shared 3G connection ?
That 's what Sagem Orga and Telefonica are promising : they 've developed the SIMFi , a USIM card with an embedded Wi-Fi radio that , when dropped into any standard handset , can share the 3G HSPA connection with various Wi-Fi clients as an instant access point .
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<sentencetext>gaijin\_ writes "What if, rather than buying a MiFi or using a Wi-Fi router app like those on the Palm Pre Plus, you could stick a SIM in any device and have a shared 3G connection?
That's what Sagem Orga and Telefonica are promising: they've developed the SIMFi, a USIM card with an embedded Wi-Fi radio that, when dropped into any standard handset, can share the 3G HSPA connection with various Wi-Fi clients as an instant access point.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119374</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>migla</author>
	<datestamp>1265970060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Que?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Que ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Que?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121008</id>
	<title>Re:upgrade dumb to smart phone?</title>
	<author>StayFrosty</author>
	<datestamp>1265975040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not sure about combining flash memory and a radio on one card.  However, plain, old microSD wifi cards have been on the market for quite a while now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure about combining flash memory and a radio on one card .
However , plain , old microSD wifi cards have been on the market for quite a while now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure about combining flash memory and a radio on one card.
However, plain, old microSD wifi cards have been on the market for quite a while now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119770</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31125486</id>
	<title>I'm *very* skeptical</title>
	<author>Eric Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1266056880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>because the signals that go between a phone and a SIM don't have ANYTHING to do with the signals needed to pass data between cellular and anything else.  The connection to the SIM is a very low bandwidth connection, only a few kilobits per second, because all it does is store the subscriber idenity (IMSI), PIN, and phone book.  When the phone is doing EDGE, 3G, or other high bandwidth data services, none of that data normally goes anywhere near the SIM.
<p>
It might be possible to engineer something like this that would have higher bandwidth to the phone, but only by also specially engineering the phone.  It's not something that could work with existing phones that are designed for normal SIM cards.
</p><p>
As cool as it would be if this were real, I don't see how it can be.  Seems like a marketing idea, not an engineered product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because the signals that go between a phone and a SIM do n't have ANYTHING to do with the signals needed to pass data between cellular and anything else .
The connection to the SIM is a very low bandwidth connection , only a few kilobits per second , because all it does is store the subscriber idenity ( IMSI ) , PIN , and phone book .
When the phone is doing EDGE , 3G , or other high bandwidth data services , none of that data normally goes anywhere near the SIM .
It might be possible to engineer something like this that would have higher bandwidth to the phone , but only by also specially engineering the phone .
It 's not something that could work with existing phones that are designed for normal SIM cards .
As cool as it would be if this were real , I do n't see how it can be .
Seems like a marketing idea , not an engineered product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because the signals that go between a phone and a SIM don't have ANYTHING to do with the signals needed to pass data between cellular and anything else.
The connection to the SIM is a very low bandwidth connection, only a few kilobits per second, because all it does is store the subscriber idenity (IMSI), PIN, and phone book.
When the phone is doing EDGE, 3G, or other high bandwidth data services, none of that data normally goes anywhere near the SIM.
It might be possible to engineer something like this that would have higher bandwidth to the phone, but only by also specially engineering the phone.
It's not something that could work with existing phones that are designed for normal SIM cards.
As cool as it would be if this were real, I don't see how it can be.
Seems like a marketing idea, not an engineered product.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120020</id>
	<title>Re:Carriers will have a shitfit</title>
	<author>Scutter</author>
	<datestamp>1265971800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They won't like this one bit and go to great lengths to disallow or prevent it from working.</p></div><p>Most US carriers already officially disallow tethering preferring instead that you subscribe with an additional device (like an Aircard or a MiFi), and charge you a healthy premium for the privilege.  In some cases you can fly under the radar, like with a jailbroken iPhone on AT&amp;T.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They wo n't like this one bit and go to great lengths to disallow or prevent it from working.Most US carriers already officially disallow tethering preferring instead that you subscribe with an additional device ( like an Aircard or a MiFi ) , and charge you a healthy premium for the privilege .
In some cases you can fly under the radar , like with a jailbroken iPhone on AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They won't like this one bit and go to great lengths to disallow or prevent it from working.Most US carriers already officially disallow tethering preferring instead that you subscribe with an additional device (like an Aircard or a MiFi), and charge you a healthy premium for the privilege.
In some cases you can fly under the radar, like with a jailbroken iPhone on AT&amp;T.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119904</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120644</id>
	<title>Sup Dawg,</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1265973780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I herd you like wireless connections...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I herd you like wireless connections.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I herd you like wireless connections...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119542</id>
	<title>Expensive?</title>
	<author>Darkon</author>
	<datestamp>1265970480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>share the 3G HSPA connection with various Wi-Fi clients as an instant access point</p></div></blockquote><p>

Great... I can has cheap 3G data access now? Don't know what it's like in the US, but this side of the pond I'm looking at at least &pound;1 per Mb.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>share the 3G HSPA connection with various Wi-Fi clients as an instant access point Great... I can has cheap 3G data access now ?
Do n't know what it 's like in the US , but this side of the pond I 'm looking at at least   1 per Mb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>share the 3G HSPA connection with various Wi-Fi clients as an instant access point

Great... I can has cheap 3G data access now?
Don't know what it's like in the US, but this side of the pond I'm looking at at least £1 per Mb.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31124254</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>yellekc</author>
	<datestamp>1265995200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In many cases, such as this one, there is no need for perfect 1:1 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VSWR" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">VSWR</a> [wikipedia.org]. In broadcast, you can have several kilowatts, or more, of RF power going into an antenna. A high VSWR can be very bad. When you only need milliwatts of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective\_radiated\_power" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">ERP</a> [wikipedia.org], you can deal with inefficient antennas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In many cases , such as this one , there is no need for perfect 1 : 1 VSWR [ wikipedia.org ] .
In broadcast , you can have several kilowatts , or more , of RF power going into an antenna .
A high VSWR can be very bad .
When you only need milliwatts of ERP [ wikipedia.org ] , you can deal with inefficient antennas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In many cases, such as this one, there is no need for perfect 1:1 VSWR [wikipedia.org].
In broadcast, you can have several kilowatts, or more, of RF power going into an antenna.
A high VSWR can be very bad.
When you only need milliwatts of ERP [wikipedia.org], you can deal with inefficient antennas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119358</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120114</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265972100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A standard SIM is 25mm by 15mm. 1/4 wavelength at that frequency is about... 25mm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A standard SIM is 25mm by 15mm .
1/4 wavelength at that frequency is about... 25mm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A standard SIM is 25mm by 15mm.
1/4 wavelength at that frequency is about... 25mm.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119358</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119976</id>
	<title>iTouch!</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1265971680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The other way around is much more interesting - get iPod Touch and, if needed, connect via WiFi and this SIM card; placed in a mobile phone that is, well, primarily a good phone. Cheap. One of those with uberlong battery life.</p><p>On a sensibly priced contract or outright prepaid (I can get 4 GiB, valid for 3 months (and if recharged again before that 3 month cut-off, usnused data are added to new portion), for 12 Euro; good enough)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The other way around is much more interesting - get iPod Touch and , if needed , connect via WiFi and this SIM card ; placed in a mobile phone that is , well , primarily a good phone .
Cheap. One of those with uberlong battery life.On a sensibly priced contract or outright prepaid ( I can get 4 GiB , valid for 3 months ( and if recharged again before that 3 month cut-off , usnused data are added to new portion ) , for 12 Euro ; good enough )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other way around is much more interesting - get iPod Touch and, if needed, connect via WiFi and this SIM card; placed in a mobile phone that is, well, primarily a good phone.
Cheap. One of those with uberlong battery life.On a sensibly priced contract or outright prepaid (I can get 4 GiB, valid for 3 months (and if recharged again before that 3 month cut-off, usnused data are added to new portion), for 12 Euro; good enough)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119270</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119770</id>
	<title>upgrade dumb to smart phone?</title>
	<author>amigabill</author>
	<datestamp>1265971020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could be a start for those of us not willing to pay monthly data plan fees to get a smart phone out of our dumb phone. I don't want to pay a hefty monthly fee just to own a smarter phone. Oh, wait, I have Verizon, no SIM slot. So I can't use it anyway. What about a microSD equivalent, with some brains as well as a radio and of course some flash memory?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could be a start for those of us not willing to pay monthly data plan fees to get a smart phone out of our dumb phone .
I do n't want to pay a hefty monthly fee just to own a smarter phone .
Oh , wait , I have Verizon , no SIM slot .
So I ca n't use it anyway .
What about a microSD equivalent , with some brains as well as a radio and of course some flash memory ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could be a start for those of us not willing to pay monthly data plan fees to get a smart phone out of our dumb phone.
I don't want to pay a hefty monthly fee just to own a smarter phone.
Oh, wait, I have Verizon, no SIM slot.
So I can't use it anyway.
What about a microSD equivalent, with some brains as well as a radio and of course some flash memory?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31122158</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1265980140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably unlikely for the most part.  Especially since many handsets (smart phones) have hardware that already has a wifi device as well as the ability (hardware wise) to do wifi tethering.  My jailbroken G1 does this pretty nicely, though I actually use the bluetooth option, and only allow my laptop to use it.  Most of the carriers specifically don't want a single account to be able to share data with multiple devices.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably unlikely for the most part .
Especially since many handsets ( smart phones ) have hardware that already has a wifi device as well as the ability ( hardware wise ) to do wifi tethering .
My jailbroken G1 does this pretty nicely , though I actually use the bluetooth option , and only allow my laptop to use it .
Most of the carriers specifically do n't want a single account to be able to share data with multiple devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably unlikely for the most part.
Especially since many handsets (smart phones) have hardware that already has a wifi device as well as the ability (hardware wise) to do wifi tethering.
My jailbroken G1 does this pretty nicely, though I actually use the bluetooth option, and only allow my laptop to use it.
Most of the carriers specifically don't want a single account to be able to share data with multiple devices.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119264</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31125654</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>Vlado</author>
	<datestamp>1266059940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia 5530 XpressMusic is a 3G phone.<br>You may only have a 2G subscrition or have turned 3G off, but the phone itself is fully capable of doing 3G.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia 5530 XpressMusic is a 3G phone.You may only have a 2G subscrition or have turned 3G off , but the phone itself is fully capable of doing 3G .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia 5530 XpressMusic is a 3G phone.You may only have a 2G subscrition or have turned 3G off, but the phone itself is fully capable of doing 3G.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119916</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119732</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265970900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, a way to tether with my iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , a way to tether with my iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, a way to tether with my iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119274</id>
	<title>Right... but I can do that for free (unsecured)</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1265969760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With Joiku hotspot thingy.</p><p>So I'd buy this because?</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With Joiku hotspot thingy.So I 'd buy this because ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Joiku hotspot thingy.So I'd buy this because?
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119264</id>
	<title>I'm wondering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265969760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beyond that my instinct says this could be huge, how big of an impact does a product like this really have? Mind you, the questions of implementation and all that aside, is this really practical or just another thing that might eventually be a standard feature?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beyond that my instinct says this could be huge , how big of an impact does a product like this really have ?
Mind you , the questions of implementation and all that aside , is this really practical or just another thing that might eventually be a standard feature ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beyond that my instinct says this could be huge, how big of an impact does a product like this really have?
Mind you, the questions of implementation and all that aside, is this really practical or just another thing that might eventually be a standard feature?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119686</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265970840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Joikuspot has been doing this for ages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Joikuspot has been doing this for ages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Joikuspot has been doing this for ages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31126330</id>
	<title>Re:Expensive?</title>
	<author>RichM</author>
	<datestamp>1266070560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Great... I can has cheap 3G data access now? Don't know what it's like in the US, but this side of the pond I'm looking at at least &pound;1 per Mb.</p></div></blockquote><p>
No idea where you pulled that number from - you only get charged that much if you go over your allowance.<br>
I use HSDPA on 3 (three.co.uk) and I pay &pound;15 for 3GB of data on Pay as you Go.<br>
I use the 3G modem for my home computer and get speeds of 3MBit usually, if I run out I just buy a voucher from any shop and top up using my web browser. If you use data cards on contract, you're asking for trouble.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great... I can has cheap 3G data access now ?
Do n't know what it 's like in the US , but this side of the pond I 'm looking at at least   1 per Mb .
No idea where you pulled that number from - you only get charged that much if you go over your allowance .
I use HSDPA on 3 ( three.co.uk ) and I pay   15 for 3GB of data on Pay as you Go .
I use the 3G modem for my home computer and get speeds of 3MBit usually , if I run out I just buy a voucher from any shop and top up using my web browser .
If you use data cards on contract , you 're asking for trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great... I can has cheap 3G data access now?
Don't know what it's like in the US, but this side of the pond I'm looking at at least £1 per Mb.
No idea where you pulled that number from - you only get charged that much if you go over your allowance.
I use HSDPA on 3 (three.co.uk) and I pay £15 for 3GB of data on Pay as you Go.
I use the 3G modem for my home computer and get speeds of 3MBit usually, if I run out I just buy a voucher from any shop and top up using my web browser.
If you use data cards on contract, you're asking for trouble.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119542</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120520</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone</title>
	<author>X0563511</author>
	<datestamp>1265973420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you would certainly have a hot spot. Cramming a wireless transmitter in a SIM card and having any kind of a respectable range, you are going to have a LOT of heat building up in that SIM.</p><p>The chipsets in consumer routers get very warm... and that's with the silicon of the chips, shielding, heatsinks etc. In this case, you'll have a tiny microcircuit in a piece of plastic.</p><p>How are they going to deal with heat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you would certainly have a hot spot .
Cramming a wireless transmitter in a SIM card and having any kind of a respectable range , you are going to have a LOT of heat building up in that SIM.The chipsets in consumer routers get very warm... and that 's with the silicon of the chips , shielding , heatsinks etc .
In this case , you 'll have a tiny microcircuit in a piece of plastic.How are they going to deal with heat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you would certainly have a hot spot.
Cramming a wireless transmitter in a SIM card and having any kind of a respectable range, you are going to have a LOT of heat building up in that SIM.The chipsets in consumer routers get very warm... and that's with the silicon of the chips, shielding, heatsinks etc.
In this case, you'll have a tiny microcircuit in a piece of plastic.How are they going to deal with heat?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119270</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31125960</id>
	<title>Re:Right... but I can do that for free (unsecured)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266064620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unsecured? I am using Joikuspot with a WEP key. Do you have an old version?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unsecured ?
I am using Joikuspot with a WEP key .
Do you have an old version ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unsecured?
I am using Joikuspot with a WEP key.
Do you have an old version?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119274</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119820</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1265971140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractal\_antenna" title="wikipedia.org">Fractal antennas</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fractal antennas [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fractal antennas [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121466</id>
	<title>Except on Verizon</title>
	<author>Allnighterking</author>
	<datestamp>1265977020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They'll cripple the feature.  AT&amp;T will complain if you use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll cripple the feature .
AT&amp;T will complain if you use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll cripple the feature.
AT&amp;T will complain if you use it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119314</id>
	<title>solves the wrong problem</title>
	<author>czmax</author>
	<datestamp>1265969880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a technical "solution" to a non-technical problem. The ability exists today but is predominately blocked by the cell phone providers.</p><p>This quote from the article shows how deluded these people are: "it seems likely that carriers would give the SIMFi away as long as you took out some sort of mobile data contract". If that was the case then I'd be able to use tethering on my iphone RIGHT NOW.</p><p>Sure, neat technical hack. Nice miniaturization there. But making this functionality available in a smaller form factor isn't the problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a technical " solution " to a non-technical problem .
The ability exists today but is predominately blocked by the cell phone providers.This quote from the article shows how deluded these people are : " it seems likely that carriers would give the SIMFi away as long as you took out some sort of mobile data contract " .
If that was the case then I 'd be able to use tethering on my iphone RIGHT NOW.Sure , neat technical hack .
Nice miniaturization there .
But making this functionality available in a smaller form factor is n't the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a technical "solution" to a non-technical problem.
The ability exists today but is predominately blocked by the cell phone providers.This quote from the article shows how deluded these people are: "it seems likely that carriers would give the SIMFi away as long as you took out some sort of mobile data contract".
If that was the case then I'd be able to use tethering on my iphone RIGHT NOW.Sure, neat technical hack.
Nice miniaturization there.
But making this functionality available in a smaller form factor isn't the problem.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120064</id>
	<title>SIM=GSM</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1265971980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;What if, rather than buying a MiFi or using a Wi-Fi router app like those on the Palm Pre Plus, you could stick a SIM in any device</p><p>But you *can't* stick a SIM in "any" device, only in GSM devices.  Won't work on two of the three largest carriers in the USA, Verizon and Sprint.  To make matters worse, Verizon will still charge a fortune to do that, and Sprint dropped the ability to legitimately tether smart phones completely (although you can do it with the Pre quite easily, anyway, but it is not legit.  Maybe Sprint will wise up and offer something official this year?)</p><p>And even if you had a GSM phone, it still has to be compatible, AND fit, AND drivers/software were available for that particular phone, AND the carrier had to somehow work with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; What if , rather than buying a MiFi or using a Wi-Fi router app like those on the Palm Pre Plus , you could stick a SIM in any deviceBut you * ca n't * stick a SIM in " any " device , only in GSM devices .
Wo n't work on two of the three largest carriers in the USA , Verizon and Sprint .
To make matters worse , Verizon will still charge a fortune to do that , and Sprint dropped the ability to legitimately tether smart phones completely ( although you can do it with the Pre quite easily , anyway , but it is not legit .
Maybe Sprint will wise up and offer something official this year ?
) And even if you had a GSM phone , it still has to be compatible , AND fit , AND drivers/software were available for that particular phone , AND the carrier had to somehow work with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;What if, rather than buying a MiFi or using a Wi-Fi router app like those on the Palm Pre Plus, you could stick a SIM in any deviceBut you *can't* stick a SIM in "any" device, only in GSM devices.
Won't work on two of the three largest carriers in the USA, Verizon and Sprint.
To make matters worse, Verizon will still charge a fortune to do that, and Sprint dropped the ability to legitimately tether smart phones completely (although you can do it with the Pre quite easily, anyway, but it is not legit.
Maybe Sprint will wise up and offer something official this year?
)And even if you had a GSM phone, it still has to be compatible, AND fit, AND drivers/software were available for that particular phone, AND the carrier had to somehow work with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121932</id>
	<title>One thing is for sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265979060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This company will make bank on this product if it works as advertised.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This company will make bank on this product if it works as advertised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This company will make bank on this product if it works as advertised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120354</id>
	<title>Re:Carriers will have a shitfit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265972880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FYI: Telefonica is one of the top carriers of Spain and has a lot of international subsidiaries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FYI : Telefonica is one of the top carriers of Spain and has a lot of international subsidiaries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FYI: Telefonica is one of the top carriers of Spain and has a lot of international subsidiaries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119638</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>Linker3000</author>
	<datestamp>1265970660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are assuming that the manufacturers will favour electrical law over design aesthetics.</p><p>I'm more worried about the effect this will have on battery drain. Will each sim come with an external cell in a shoulder bag?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are assuming that the manufacturers will favour electrical law over design aesthetics.I 'm more worried about the effect this will have on battery drain .
Will each sim come with an external cell in a shoulder bag ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are assuming that the manufacturers will favour electrical law over design aesthetics.I'm more worried about the effect this will have on battery drain.
Will each sim come with an external cell in a shoulder bag?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120152</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1265972220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that it would be probably used predominatly as "personal hotspot" (giving data access from a mobile phone which you carry...to devices which you are using), the range can be quite a bit less than in typical WiFi hotspot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that it would be probably used predominatly as " personal hotspot " ( giving data access from a mobile phone which you carry...to devices which you are using ) , the range can be quite a bit less than in typical WiFi hotspot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that it would be probably used predominatly as "personal hotspot" (giving data access from a mobile phone which you carry...to devices which you are using), the range can be quite a bit less than in typical WiFi hotspot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121462</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265976960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know absolutely nothing about radio waves, but are there any particular problems with using the phone itself as the antenna?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know absolutely nothing about radio waves , but are there any particular problems with using the phone itself as the antenna ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know absolutely nothing about radio waves, but are there any particular problems with using the phone itself as the antenna?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120030</id>
	<title>Re:solves the wrong problem</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1265971860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bingo.  Carriers go to great lengths to make it a pain in the ass to tether phones and only grudgingly allow it in limited cases for extra money as long as you use their proprietary "dialer".  They want the process to be annoying enough that people only do it when they have absolutely no other choice.  There are plenty of smartphones with built-in WiFi but I can't think of a single branded phone (in the US) that has the necessary software installed.  If carriers wanted to facilitate this type of thing, they'd already be doing it.  Instead, we have to rely on third party software and, occasionally, "hacking" the device to restore functionality that's been removed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bingo .
Carriers go to great lengths to make it a pain in the ass to tether phones and only grudgingly allow it in limited cases for extra money as long as you use their proprietary " dialer " .
They want the process to be annoying enough that people only do it when they have absolutely no other choice .
There are plenty of smartphones with built-in WiFi but I ca n't think of a single branded phone ( in the US ) that has the necessary software installed .
If carriers wanted to facilitate this type of thing , they 'd already be doing it .
Instead , we have to rely on third party software and , occasionally , " hacking " the device to restore functionality that 's been removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bingo.
Carriers go to great lengths to make it a pain in the ass to tether phones and only grudgingly allow it in limited cases for extra money as long as you use their proprietary "dialer".
They want the process to be annoying enough that people only do it when they have absolutely no other choice.
There are plenty of smartphones with built-in WiFi but I can't think of a single branded phone (in the US) that has the necessary software installed.
If carriers wanted to facilitate this type of thing, they'd already be doing it.
Instead, we have to rely on third party software and, occasionally, "hacking" the device to restore functionality that's been removed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120308</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265972760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>None what so ever.<br>If you have a smartphone then you would have the option to use wifi.<br>If you have a feature phone you could use Bluetooth.<br>If you in the US AT&amp;T and TMobile will let you use that sim when hell freezes over.<br>Really just about any smartphone could do this right now except the phone companies don't want you to do it.<br>You see you will have a much better end user experience using a separate device like a USB stick. And you would only have to pay an extra 50 to 90 dollars a month for it. So you see you are much better off not using any type of tethering.<br>"This message brought to you by your friendly US Cell companies. "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>None what so ever.If you have a smartphone then you would have the option to use wifi.If you have a feature phone you could use Bluetooth.If you in the US AT&amp;T and TMobile will let you use that sim when hell freezes over.Really just about any smartphone could do this right now except the phone companies do n't want you to do it.You see you will have a much better end user experience using a separate device like a USB stick .
And you would only have to pay an extra 50 to 90 dollars a month for it .
So you see you are much better off not using any type of tethering .
" This message brought to you by your friendly US Cell companies .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None what so ever.If you have a smartphone then you would have the option to use wifi.If you have a feature phone you could use Bluetooth.If you in the US AT&amp;T and TMobile will let you use that sim when hell freezes over.Really just about any smartphone could do this right now except the phone companies don't want you to do it.You see you will have a much better end user experience using a separate device like a USB stick.
And you would only have to pay an extra 50 to 90 dollars a month for it.
So you see you are much better off not using any type of tethering.
"This message brought to you by your friendly US Cell companies.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121862</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>rey1024</author>
	<datestamp>1265978820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>may new technology can hiding wireless antena or including it on sim card. nice news</htmltext>
<tokenext>may new technology can hiding wireless antena or including it on sim card .
nice news</tokentext>
<sentencetext>may new technology can hiding wireless antena or including it on sim card.
nice news</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31125996</id>
	<title>Awkward Location for WiFi module...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266065340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, why not just build WiFi app's (eg, for the many handsets already equipped with WiFi),<br>based on eg, Skype-protocol (we can pay ~$6 / mon for Skype-to-Skype calls, but cannot<br>now dial to actual phone numbers (eg, using SkypeOut credit and/or Skype subscriptions).</p><p>Why not a WiFi app. for Nokia, etc. that can reach one's choice of Asterisk server, eg, at<br>home or in the office?</p><p>Who wants to plug-in nano-connectors &amp; risk breaking nano-coaxial cables, that lead out<br>to an external WiFi antenna?!?</p><p>And - if the antenna is internal, who'd want YAA = Yet Another Antenna pumping out WiFi<br>from a new location in the handset?!? (It or heat that it generate might interfere with exist-<br>ing circuitry, inside the handset, and/or add to the dose one's skin or brain is getting...)</p><p>Let's re-think this one, eh?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , why not just build WiFi app 's ( eg , for the many handsets already equipped with WiFi ) ,based on eg , Skype-protocol ( we can pay ~ $ 6 / mon for Skype-to-Skype calls , but cannotnow dial to actual phone numbers ( eg , using SkypeOut credit and/or Skype subscriptions ) .Why not a WiFi app .
for Nokia , etc .
that can reach one 's choice of Asterisk server , eg , athome or in the office ? Who wants to plug-in nano-connectors &amp; risk breaking nano-coaxial cables , that lead outto an external WiFi antenna ? !
? And - if the antenna is internal , who 'd want YAA = Yet Another Antenna pumping out WiFifrom a new location in the handset ? ! ?
( It or heat that it generate might interfere with exist-ing circuitry , inside the handset , and/or add to the dose one 's skin or brain is getting... ) Let 's re-think this one , eh ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, why not just build WiFi app's (eg, for the many handsets already equipped with WiFi),based on eg, Skype-protocol (we can pay ~$6 / mon for Skype-to-Skype calls, but cannotnow dial to actual phone numbers (eg, using SkypeOut credit and/or Skype subscriptions).Why not a WiFi app.
for Nokia, etc.
that can reach one's choice of Asterisk server, eg, athome or in the office?Who wants to plug-in nano-connectors &amp; risk breaking nano-coaxial cables, that lead outto an external WiFi antenna?!
?And - if the antenna is internal, who'd want YAA = Yet Another Antenna pumping out WiFifrom a new location in the handset?!?
(It or heat that it generate might interfere with exist-ing circuitry, inside the handset, and/or add to the dose one's skin or brain is getting...)Let's re-think this one, eh?
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120344</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265972820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't have to be straight...

Just imagine, if you will, a 2cm long antenna with a 90 degree right turn in it every 0.5cm.  I'm pretty sure that would fit in a SIM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't have to be straight.. . Just imagine , if you will , a 2cm long antenna with a 90 degree right turn in it every 0.5cm .
I 'm pretty sure that would fit in a SIM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't have to be straight...

Just imagine, if you will, a 2cm long antenna with a 90 degree right turn in it every 0.5cm.
I'm pretty sure that would fit in a SIM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31126202</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1266069240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an app for that on my Windows Mobile phone, wmwifirouter if anyone is interested.  The main problem with it is that it drains the battery very quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an app for that on my Windows Mobile phone , wmwifirouter if anyone is interested .
The main problem with it is that it drains the battery very quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an app for that on my Windows Mobile phone, wmwifirouter if anyone is interested.
The main problem with it is that it drains the battery very quickly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31123504</id>
	<title>Did I miss something?</title>
	<author>torkus</author>
	<datestamp>1265988000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ignoring the technical challenges of getting a WiFi transceiver into something the size of a SIM card - how exactly is the SIM card trading data with the cell phone to begin with?</p><p>Cell phones have an open back door to their wireless data channel through the SIM interface?  One that will, without software on the phone, just allow you to transport data?</p><p>Even if you CAN talk through the SIM card interface and for data around how ever you want - how fast is that interface?  It's meant to read off SIM cards that hold a tiny amount of data.  So little most internet speeds could transmit the entire contents in a single second quite easily.  Or is the SIM card supposed to have some kind of BT transceiver in it as well to tie to the cell phone?</p><p>There's no detail in the linked article and...given that cell carriers lock down this stuff in the phone I fail to see how it's possible even if the miniaturization is practical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ignoring the technical challenges of getting a WiFi transceiver into something the size of a SIM card - how exactly is the SIM card trading data with the cell phone to begin with ? Cell phones have an open back door to their wireless data channel through the SIM interface ?
One that will , without software on the phone , just allow you to transport data ? Even if you CAN talk through the SIM card interface and for data around how ever you want - how fast is that interface ?
It 's meant to read off SIM cards that hold a tiny amount of data .
So little most internet speeds could transmit the entire contents in a single second quite easily .
Or is the SIM card supposed to have some kind of BT transceiver in it as well to tie to the cell phone ? There 's no detail in the linked article and...given that cell carriers lock down this stuff in the phone I fail to see how it 's possible even if the miniaturization is practical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ignoring the technical challenges of getting a WiFi transceiver into something the size of a SIM card - how exactly is the SIM card trading data with the cell phone to begin with?Cell phones have an open back door to their wireless data channel through the SIM interface?
One that will, without software on the phone, just allow you to transport data?Even if you CAN talk through the SIM card interface and for data around how ever you want - how fast is that interface?
It's meant to read off SIM cards that hold a tiny amount of data.
So little most internet speeds could transmit the entire contents in a single second quite easily.
Or is the SIM card supposed to have some kind of BT transceiver in it as well to tie to the cell phone?There's no detail in the linked article and...given that cell carriers lock down this stuff in the phone I fail to see how it's possible even if the miniaturization is practical.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119280</id>
	<title>Progress.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265969760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wifi on sim? Before you know it, you will get Sy-Fy in Vim.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wifi on sim ?
Before you know it , you will get Sy-Fy in Vim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wifi on sim?
Before you know it, you will get Sy-Fy in Vim.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120410</id>
	<title>Ah crap</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1265973060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has a HUGE impact.  Now, when you go to a tech convention, instead of having crappy wireless at the convention center, you will have 5000 people, all carrying their own access points, trying to use the same dozen channels! Horray!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has a HUGE impact .
Now , when you go to a tech convention , instead of having crappy wireless at the convention center , you will have 5000 people , all carrying their own access points , trying to use the same dozen channels !
Horray !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has a HUGE impact.
Now, when you go to a tech convention, instead of having crappy wireless at the convention center, you will have 5000 people, all carrying their own access points, trying to use the same dozen channels!
Horray!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119916</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>NightHawkeye</author>
	<datestamp>1265971440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I can already do this with my Nokia 5530 XpressMusic. It's a basic 2G phone with WiFi. Since it's 2G, I don't pay for data services.  Yet I have access to high-speed capability whenever I'm at a WiFi hotspot. I couldn't justify the cost for 3G for the occasional times I'd want to access the internet. WiFi is a great compromise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I can already do this with my Nokia 5530 XpressMusic .
It 's a basic 2G phone with WiFi .
Since it 's 2G , I do n't pay for data services .
Yet I have access to high-speed capability whenever I 'm at a WiFi hotspot .
I could n't justify the cost for 3G for the occasional times I 'd want to access the internet .
WiFi is a great compromise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I can already do this with my Nokia 5530 XpressMusic.
It's a basic 2G phone with WiFi.
Since it's 2G, I don't pay for data services.
Yet I have access to high-speed capability whenever I'm at a WiFi hotspot.
I couldn't justify the cost for 3G for the occasional times I'd want to access the internet.
WiFi is a great compromise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119270</id>
	<title>iPhone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265969760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could you serve up a "hotspot" in an unlocked iPhone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could you serve up a " hotspot " in an unlocked iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could you serve up a "hotspot" in an unlocked iPhone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31133162</id>
	<title>Good luck with that.</title>
	<author>Alex Belits</author>
	<datestamp>1266138540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Usually SIM card is placed in a socket with metal shield or clip, with circuit board and a keyboard on one side (keyboard mostly consisting of two layers of conductive film) and a battery on the other side (containing metal electrodes and cell casings).</p><p>With shielding like that, good luck getting any signal in or out, unless this thing has a separate connector for an antenna outside the card (and good luck getting support for that from phone manufacturers and carriers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually SIM card is placed in a socket with metal shield or clip , with circuit board and a keyboard on one side ( keyboard mostly consisting of two layers of conductive film ) and a battery on the other side ( containing metal electrodes and cell casings ) .With shielding like that , good luck getting any signal in or out , unless this thing has a separate connector for an antenna outside the card ( and good luck getting support for that from phone manufacturers and carriers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usually SIM card is placed in a socket with metal shield or clip, with circuit board and a keyboard on one side (keyboard mostly consisting of two layers of conductive film) and a battery on the other side (containing metal electrodes and cell casings).With shielding like that, good luck getting any signal in or out, unless this thing has a separate connector for an antenna outside the card (and good luck getting support for that from phone manufacturers and carriers).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119500</id>
	<title>Re:I'm wondering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265970360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's for people who are too stupid to connect a cable. The cable connection can then be removed to cut costs. So everyone has to use wireless. It can probably default to unsecured, because those same people will also be too stupid to set up security. So at least you get so see what the person sitting opposite you is looking at on the Internet, if you are really that bored.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's for people who are too stupid to connect a cable .
The cable connection can then be removed to cut costs .
So everyone has to use wireless .
It can probably default to unsecured , because those same people will also be too stupid to set up security .
So at least you get so see what the person sitting opposite you is looking at on the Internet , if you are really that bored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's for people who are too stupid to connect a cable.
The cable connection can then be removed to cut costs.
So everyone has to use wireless.
It can probably default to unsecured, because those same people will also be too stupid to set up security.
So at least you get so see what the person sitting opposite you is looking at on the Internet, if you are really that bored.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120098</id>
	<title>I'm not so sure about that.</title>
	<author>jwietelmann</author>
	<datestamp>1265972040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consider how much you have to pay for data when you go beyond a typical 5GB/month limit.  I would guess that your wireless provider would be more than happy to enable you to quickly burn through that 5GB and start paying the exorbitant overage costs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider how much you have to pay for data when you go beyond a typical 5GB/month limit .
I would guess that your wireless provider would be more than happy to enable you to quickly burn through that 5GB and start paying the exorbitant overage costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider how much you have to pay for data when you go beyond a typical 5GB/month limit.
I would guess that your wireless provider would be more than happy to enable you to quickly burn through that 5GB and start paying the exorbitant overage costs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119904</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31122684</id>
	<title>Re:Expensive?</title>
	<author>cheesewire</author>
	<datestamp>1265982480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're paying &pound;1/Mb, shop around.</p><p>I have no idea about on contract, but three has 30p/MB on PAYG, after your initial "free" 150MB per topup (6.6p/MB @ &pound;10topup). <br>Or if you just want mobile net access for your laptop, its &pound;15/month = 5GB/month or &pound;7.50/month = 1GB/month over the air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're paying   1/Mb , shop around.I have no idea about on contract , but three has 30p/MB on PAYG , after your initial " free " 150MB per topup ( 6.6p/MB @   10topup ) .
Or if you just want mobile net access for your laptop , its   15/month = 5GB/month or   7.50/month = 1GB/month over the air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're paying £1/Mb, shop around.I have no idea about on contract, but three has 30p/MB on PAYG, after your initial "free" 150MB per topup (6.6p/MB @ £10topup).
Or if you just want mobile net access for your laptop, its £15/month = 5GB/month or £7.50/month = 1GB/month over the air.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119542</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119480</id>
	<title>Not gonna happen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265970360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll take things that will never be implemented by an American telcom for $1000, Alex.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll take things that will never be implemented by an American telcom for $ 1000 , Alex .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll take things that will never be implemented by an American telcom for $1000, Alex.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119598</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>marcansoft</author>
	<datestamp>1265970600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are plenty of 2cm 2.4Ghz antennas - see 90\% of the Bluetooth dongles out there. They may not be the most efficient antennas in the world, but they do work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are plenty of 2cm 2.4Ghz antennas - see 90 \ % of the Bluetooth dongles out there .
They may not be the most efficient antennas in the world , but they do work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of 2cm 2.4Ghz antennas - see 90\% of the Bluetooth dongles out there.
They may not be the most efficient antennas in the world, but they do work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119358</id>
	<title>Antenna?</title>
	<author>molo</author>
	<datestamp>1265970000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You still need a 2.4GHz antenna, which at 1/4 wavelength is more than 2cm.  Where are they going to put it?  Certainly not in a standard SIM chip package.</p><p>-molo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You still need a 2.4GHz antenna , which at 1/4 wavelength is more than 2cm .
Where are they going to put it ?
Certainly not in a standard SIM chip package.-molo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You still need a 2.4GHz antenna, which at 1/4 wavelength is more than 2cm.
Where are they going to put it?
Certainly not in a standard SIM chip package.-molo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31122518</id>
	<title>Re:solves the wrong problem</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1265981760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh, I can do USB tethering on my Android phone (Hero) right now. It's as easy as going into the menu and enable the tethering, and then plugging it into my laptop. I was a must have feature for me. No 20 euro additional charge - and for 30 euro a month for my ADSL I have telco WiFi access points to boot. Just don't buy an iPhone. I must admit that the persons in the telco provider shop were rather reluctant in admitting that it was possible.</p><p>PS for those in NL, that's KPN mobile and XS4ALL ADSL I'm using, I haven't had time to do tethering over my Bluetooth connections, and I heard it is tricky and consumes rather a lot of power if I could get it working. Nice thing is that the bigger laptop battery is also powering the phone if you use USB, but you do have a wire to worry about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , I can do USB tethering on my Android phone ( Hero ) right now .
It 's as easy as going into the menu and enable the tethering , and then plugging it into my laptop .
I was a must have feature for me .
No 20 euro additional charge - and for 30 euro a month for my ADSL I have telco WiFi access points to boot .
Just do n't buy an iPhone .
I must admit that the persons in the telco provider shop were rather reluctant in admitting that it was possible.PS for those in NL , that 's KPN mobile and XS4ALL ADSL I 'm using , I have n't had time to do tethering over my Bluetooth connections , and I heard it is tricky and consumes rather a lot of power if I could get it working .
Nice thing is that the bigger laptop battery is also powering the phone if you use USB , but you do have a wire to worry about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, I can do USB tethering on my Android phone (Hero) right now.
It's as easy as going into the menu and enable the tethering, and then plugging it into my laptop.
I was a must have feature for me.
No 20 euro additional charge - and for 30 euro a month for my ADSL I have telco WiFi access points to boot.
Just don't buy an iPhone.
I must admit that the persons in the telco provider shop were rather reluctant in admitting that it was possible.PS for those in NL, that's KPN mobile and XS4ALL ADSL I'm using, I haven't had time to do tethering over my Bluetooth connections, and I heard it is tricky and consumes rather a lot of power if I could get it working.
Nice thing is that the bigger laptop battery is also powering the phone if you use USB, but you do have a wire to worry about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31125232</id>
	<title>At least they didn't call it OrgaSIM ;-)</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1266094380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sagem Orga and Telefonica are promising: they've developed the SIMFi</p></div><p>SCNR...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sagem Orga and Telefonica are promising : they 've developed the SIMFiSCNR.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sagem Orga and Telefonica are promising: they've developed the SIMFiSCNR...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31122466</id>
	<title>A repeat of the past</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265981460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is very silly. Before people forgot about PDAs we had CF, SDIO, and SpringBoard. We don't need any new technology for small device expansion, instead of re-inventing it, we just need SDIO slots on phones. It is like we went backwards with technology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is very silly .
Before people forgot about PDAs we had CF , SDIO , and SpringBoard .
We do n't need any new technology for small device expansion , instead of re-inventing it , we just need SDIO slots on phones .
It is like we went backwards with technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is very silly.
Before people forgot about PDAs we had CF, SDIO, and SpringBoard.
We don't need any new technology for small device expansion, instead of re-inventing it, we just need SDIO slots on phones.
It is like we went backwards with technology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119904</id>
	<title>Carriers will have a shitfit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They won't like this one bit and go to great lengths to disallow or prevent it from working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They wo n't like this one bit and go to great lengths to disallow or prevent it from working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They won't like this one bit and go to great lengths to disallow or prevent it from working.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31125334</id>
	<title>Re:solves the wrong problem</title>
	<author>Splab</author>
	<datestamp>1266053400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like you live in the US.</p><p>I work for a Telecom in EU and we coulnd't care less if you where tethering your handset, 3G data traffic is cheap and if you tether your phone/device, chances are you are opting for a large dataplan which means we earn money, or if you are less inlighted and opt for a pay per MB we would be even happier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you live in the US.I work for a Telecom in EU and we coulnd't care less if you where tethering your handset , 3G data traffic is cheap and if you tether your phone/device , chances are you are opting for a large dataplan which means we earn money , or if you are less inlighted and opt for a pay per MB we would be even happier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you live in the US.I work for a Telecom in EU and we coulnd't care less if you where tethering your handset, 3G data traffic is cheap and if you tether your phone/device, chances are you are opting for a large dataplan which means we earn money, or if you are less inlighted and opt for a pay per MB we would be even happier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119314</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31127474</id>
	<title>It's not 1920 anymore!</title>
	<author>TheTyrannyOfForcedRe</author>
	<datestamp>1266080640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not 1920 anymore.  There are 2.4 Ghz antennas that are the same size as a grain of Basmati rice.</p><p>Example: <a href="http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product\_info.php?products\_id=144" title="sparkfun.com" rel="nofollow">2.2mm x 6.5mm 2.4GHz Ceramic Chip Antenna</a> [sparkfun.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not 1920 anymore .
There are 2.4 Ghz antennas that are the same size as a grain of Basmati rice.Example : 2.2mm x 6.5mm 2.4GHz Ceramic Chip Antenna [ sparkfun.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not 1920 anymore.
There are 2.4 Ghz antennas that are the same size as a grain of Basmati rice.Example: 2.2mm x 6.5mm 2.4GHz Ceramic Chip Antenna [sparkfun.com] </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119358</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120096</id>
	<title>Re:solves the wrong problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265972040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the real question is: If your cellphone is already on a carrier that offers mifi (Verizon and Sprint in US), at what price (fixed plus monthly cost) would you buy this wifi-on-a-SIM *instead of* the mifi device with it's separate dataplan?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the real question is : If your cellphone is already on a carrier that offers mifi ( Verizon and Sprint in US ) , at what price ( fixed plus monthly cost ) would you buy this wifi-on-a-SIM * instead of * the mifi device with it 's separate dataplan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the real question is: If your cellphone is already on a carrier that offers mifi (Verizon and Sprint in US), at what price (fixed plus monthly cost) would you buy this wifi-on-a-SIM *instead of* the mifi device with it's separate dataplan?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119314</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120674</id>
	<title>What is the price $1 per meg? and $5 per meg outsi</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1265973840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the price $1 per meg? and $5 per meg outside of the usa? mexico and canada $2 per meg?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the price $ 1 per meg ?
and $ 5 per meg outside of the usa ?
mexico and canada $ 2 per meg ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the price $1 per meg?
and $5 per meg outside of the usa?
mexico and canada $2 per meg?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31120572</id>
	<title>Re:SIM=GSM</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1265973540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. Not to mention, whats the speed of SIM reads and writes? From my experience theyre unusually slow, like 14.4kbps slow. Its an ID card, not a fast storage option. A lot of good thats going to do you when that internet connection is a 1mbps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
Not to mention , whats the speed of SIM reads and writes ?
From my experience theyre unusually slow , like 14.4kbps slow .
Its an ID card , not a fast storage option .
A lot of good thats going to do you when that internet connection is a 1mbps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
Not to mention, whats the speed of SIM reads and writes?
From my experience theyre unusually slow, like 14.4kbps slow.
Its an ID card, not a fast storage option.
A lot of good thats going to do you when that internet connection is a 1mbps.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31119788</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree -- it's not practical.  Just look around:  there's <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104321&amp;cm\_re=logitech\_mouse-\_-26-104-321-\_-Product" title="newegg.com">no</a> [newegg.com] <a href="http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?\_nkw=world's+smallest+bluetooth+usb&amp;\_sacat=0&amp;\_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&amp;\_dmpt=Bluetooth\_Wireless\_Products&amp;\_odkw=world's+smallest+bluetooth&amp;\_osacat=0" title="ebay.com">other</a> [ebay.com] <a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11866" title="dealextreme.com">products</a> [dealextreme.com] that manage to <a href="http://www.slashphone.com/69/5594.html" title="slashphone.com">shrink</a> [slashphone.com] an antenna down in size, and still operate at 2.4GHz, are there?</p><p>Given the severe lack of anyone doing stuff like this, it must be impossible to use an antenna shorter than a quarter-wavelength for <a href="http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/7496" title="eham.net">anything</a> [eham.net], ever.  I mean, it's <a href="http://www.psicompany.com/motorola-pmad4088-wideband-vhf-antenna,-136---174-mhz/" title="psicompany.com">obvious</a> [psicompany.com], isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree -- it 's not practical .
Just look around : there 's no [ newegg.com ] other [ ebay.com ] products [ dealextreme.com ] that manage to shrink [ slashphone.com ] an antenna down in size , and still operate at 2.4GHz , are there ? Given the severe lack of anyone doing stuff like this , it must be impossible to use an antenna shorter than a quarter-wavelength for anything [ eham.net ] , ever .
I mean , it 's obvious [ psicompany.com ] , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree -- it's not practical.
Just look around:  there's no [newegg.com] other [ebay.com] products [dealextreme.com] that manage to shrink [slashphone.com] an antenna down in size, and still operate at 2.4GHz, are there?Given the severe lack of anyone doing stuff like this, it must be impossible to use an antenna shorter than a quarter-wavelength for anything [eham.net], ever.
I mean, it's obvious [psicompany.com], isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121116</id>
	<title>PDAnet</title>
	<author>Hamsterdan</author>
	<datestamp>1265975400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Already does this using the hardware in the phone. I use it on my iPhone. It's also available for Android, Palm, Blackberries and Winmo.<br><br>(can also use USB for tethering, works better than Apple's own)<br><br>http://www.junefabrics.com/index.php</htmltext>
<tokenext>Already does this using the hardware in the phone .
I use it on my iPhone .
It 's also available for Android , Palm , Blackberries and Winmo .
( can also use USB for tethering , works better than Apple 's own ) http : //www.junefabrics.com/index.php</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Already does this using the hardware in the phone.
I use it on my iPhone.
It's also available for Android, Palm, Blackberries and Winmo.
(can also use USB for tethering, works better than Apple's own)http://www.junefabrics.com/index.php</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_12_1824229.31121344</id>
	<title>Re:Antenna?</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1265976360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People with EyeFi cards seem to do well enough.  They are WiFi devices in an SD card, which isn't much larger than a SIM card.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People with EyeFi cards seem to do well enough .
They are WiFi devices in an SD card , which is n't much larger than a SIM card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People with EyeFi cards seem to do well enough.
They are WiFi devices in an SD card, which isn't much larger than a SIM card.</sentencetext>
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