<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_11_1954225</id>
	<title>Document Management For Research With Annotation?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265875440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>msimm writes <i>"I'm currently looking for a document management system for personal and research-related use. Having looked at <a href="http://www.alfresco.com/">Alfresco</a> and <a href="http://www.knowledgetree.com/">KnowledgeTree</a> along with a slew of similar open source document management systems they seem to have a common set of features including version control, archiving, document permission/ownership and search/indexing. What I'd like, in order to help me manage my own continually growing collection of pdf/doc/odf/rtf/txt files, would be something that allowed me to view and annotate documents (and possibly collaborate/share notes) without requiring me to download, edit and re-upload each document. Obviously there are plenty of capable document management systems out there, so I really suspect I've simply missed something and am hoping someone can point me to a better way to index, search, collaborate and keep and share notes on the ever increasing glut of useful information I seem to use and collect."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>msimm writes " I 'm currently looking for a document management system for personal and research-related use .
Having looked at Alfresco and KnowledgeTree along with a slew of similar open source document management systems they seem to have a common set of features including version control , archiving , document permission/ownership and search/indexing .
What I 'd like , in order to help me manage my own continually growing collection of pdf/doc/odf/rtf/txt files , would be something that allowed me to view and annotate documents ( and possibly collaborate/share notes ) without requiring me to download , edit and re-upload each document .
Obviously there are plenty of capable document management systems out there , so I really suspect I 've simply missed something and am hoping someone can point me to a better way to index , search , collaborate and keep and share notes on the ever increasing glut of useful information I seem to use and collect .
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<sentencetext>msimm writes "I'm currently looking for a document management system for personal and research-related use.
Having looked at Alfresco and KnowledgeTree along with a slew of similar open source document management systems they seem to have a common set of features including version control, archiving, document permission/ownership and search/indexing.
What I'd like, in order to help me manage my own continually growing collection of pdf/doc/odf/rtf/txt files, would be something that allowed me to view and annotate documents (and possibly collaborate/share notes) without requiring me to download, edit and re-upload each document.
Obviously there are plenty of capable document management systems out there, so I really suspect I've simply missed something and am hoping someone can point me to a better way to index, search, collaborate and keep and share notes on the ever increasing glut of useful information I seem to use and collect.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104610</id>
	<title>Alfresco does all that you want...</title>
	<author>mccarthymp</author>
	<datestamp>1265881740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Alfresco does everything you require.  Why are you looking into other solutions?  With Alfresco you can keep track of comments on documents or have a conversation with others regarding the document which is archived along with the document.  Alfresco Share allows you to view documents with a flash front end so that you never have to download the documents into Word, Excel or Adobe Reader.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alfresco does everything you require .
Why are you looking into other solutions ?
With Alfresco you can keep track of comments on documents or have a conversation with others regarding the document which is archived along with the document .
Alfresco Share allows you to view documents with a flash front end so that you never have to download the documents into Word , Excel or Adobe Reader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alfresco does everything you require.
Why are you looking into other solutions?
With Alfresco you can keep track of comments on documents or have a conversation with others regarding the document which is archived along with the document.
Alfresco Share allows you to view documents with a flash front end so that you never have to download the documents into Word, Excel or Adobe Reader.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104252</id>
	<title>Zotero</title>
	<author>yes it is</author>
	<datestamp>1265880240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://zotero.org/" title="zotero.org" rel="nofollow">Zotero</a> [zotero.org] may well be what you're looking for.  Much better and more open source than EndNote (mentioned above).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Zotero [ zotero.org ] may well be what you 're looking for .
Much better and more open source than EndNote ( mentioned above ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zotero [zotero.org] may well be what you're looking for.
Much better and more open source than EndNote (mentioned above).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31107504</id>
	<title>Re:Zotero</title>
	<author>takowl</author>
	<datestamp>1265893320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there something like Zotero that *isn't* a cloud service?</p></div><p>Well, you could always use it without the sync feature: giving them your data is very much optional. For most users, their institution is likely only aware of Endnote, and won't set up a server for them, so Zotero's hosting the server themselves makes sense.</p><p>I'm not sure that it really meets the OP's needs, though. It fits how I work brilliantly--it's designed for indexing web pages, like a highly structured bookmark manager. But the OP specifically talks about a collection of local files, which Zotero handles rather awkwardly. Any notes would be outside the file, for example, not embedded in it. <a href="http://www.mendeley.com/" title="mendeley.com" rel="nofollow">Mendeley</a> [mendeley.com] comes closer, but AFAIK it only deals with PDFs, not all the other formats.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there something like Zotero that * is n't * a cloud service ? Well , you could always use it without the sync feature : giving them your data is very much optional .
For most users , their institution is likely only aware of Endnote , and wo n't set up a server for them , so Zotero 's hosting the server themselves makes sense.I 'm not sure that it really meets the OP 's needs , though .
It fits how I work brilliantly--it 's designed for indexing web pages , like a highly structured bookmark manager .
But the OP specifically talks about a collection of local files , which Zotero handles rather awkwardly .
Any notes would be outside the file , for example , not embedded in it .
Mendeley [ mendeley.com ] comes closer , but AFAIK it only deals with PDFs , not all the other formats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there something like Zotero that *isn't* a cloud service?Well, you could always use it without the sync feature: giving them your data is very much optional.
For most users, their institution is likely only aware of Endnote, and won't set up a server for them, so Zotero's hosting the server themselves makes sense.I'm not sure that it really meets the OP's needs, though.
It fits how I work brilliantly--it's designed for indexing web pages, like a highly structured bookmark manager.
But the OP specifically talks about a collection of local files, which Zotero handles rather awkwardly.
Any notes would be outside the file, for example, not embedded in it.
Mendeley [mendeley.com] comes closer, but AFAIK it only deals with PDFs, not all the other formats.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104622</id>
	<title>An unmet need in the biotech community</title>
	<author>cinnamon colbert</author>
	<datestamp>1265881800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work in a biotech startup with 12 people total.
We have several thousand pdfs, mostly of scientific publications downloaded from places like pubmed, along with some<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ppts and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docs and other files.
We use a endnote, a program from the behemoth in this area, thompson  research, which has most of hte software in this area.
see <a href="http://thomsonreuters.com/products\_services/science/science\_products/a-z/procite" title="thomsonreuters.com">http://thomsonreuters.com/products\_services/science/science\_products/a-z/procite</a> [thomsonreuters.com]

Based on what I have seen, there is a huge need for software that meets our needs; the thompson products are very $$ and , awfull - a classic case of crappy software with a lot of marketing.
Programs like endnote were created back in the 90s, for DOS machines, and they still look and feel like it, once you get past the pretty home page gui of the software that thompson has added on.

if anyone out there is serious about making a product to compete, give me a hollar</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in a biotech startup with 12 people total .
We have several thousand pdfs , mostly of scientific publications downloaded from places like pubmed , along with some .ppts and .docs and other files .
We use a endnote , a program from the behemoth in this area , thompson research , which has most of hte software in this area .
see http : //thomsonreuters.com/products \ _services/science/science \ _products/a-z/procite [ thomsonreuters.com ] Based on what I have seen , there is a huge need for software that meets our needs ; the thompson products are very $ $ and , awfull - a classic case of crappy software with a lot of marketing .
Programs like endnote were created back in the 90s , for DOS machines , and they still look and feel like it , once you get past the pretty home page gui of the software that thompson has added on .
if anyone out there is serious about making a product to compete , give me a hollar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in a biotech startup with 12 people total.
We have several thousand pdfs, mostly of scientific publications downloaded from places like pubmed, along with some .ppts and .docs and other files.
We use a endnote, a program from the behemoth in this area, thompson  research, which has most of hte software in this area.
see http://thomsonreuters.com/products\_services/science/science\_products/a-z/procite [thomsonreuters.com]

Based on what I have seen, there is a huge need for software that meets our needs; the thompson products are very $$ and , awfull - a classic case of crappy software with a lot of marketing.
Programs like endnote were created back in the 90s, for DOS machines, and they still look and feel like it, once you get past the pretty home page gui of the software that thompson has added on.
if anyone out there is serious about making a product to compete, give me a hollar</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104712</id>
	<title>basic solutions are the best</title>
	<author>godrik</author>
	<datestamp>1265882160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a git repository containing a bibtex file that tells me where the documents are with an annote field containing information. documents are put in the git repository. If I need to annotate them on the paper for not forgeting something about it, I use xournal. And I push everything in the git repository.</p><p>It implies that people update the repository which is in my opinion not really a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a git repository containing a bibtex file that tells me where the documents are with an annote field containing information .
documents are put in the git repository .
If I need to annotate them on the paper for not forgeting something about it , I use xournal .
And I push everything in the git repository.It implies that people update the repository which is in my opinion not really a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a git repository containing a bibtex file that tells me where the documents are with an annote field containing information.
documents are put in the git repository.
If I need to annotate them on the paper for not forgeting something about it, I use xournal.
And I push everything in the git repository.It implies that people update the repository which is in my opinion not really a problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104758</id>
	<title>Evernote</title>
	<author>Kirschey</author>
	<datestamp>1265882340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try Evernote.  It lets you markup everything and make notes on images, documents and everything else.  It is multiplatform too.</p><p>http://www.evernote.com/</p><p>Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Evernote .
It lets you markup everything and make notes on images , documents and everything else .
It is multiplatform too.http : //www.evernote.com/Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Evernote.
It lets you markup everything and make notes on images, documents and everything else.
It is multiplatform too.http://www.evernote.com/Good luck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106648</id>
	<title>okular?</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1265889660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because nobody seems to have mentioned. Okular the default kde4 document viewer allows you to annotate any doc it opens, stick post-its on things and add marker highlighting. Presumably this also links in with the document search system which includes tagging via the dolphin file manager. The bit it doesn't appear to do is collaboration but it certainly seems that they're taking it that direction if indeed it isn't just a feature I've not found. Don't really know much about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because nobody seems to have mentioned .
Okular the default kde4 document viewer allows you to annotate any doc it opens , stick post-its on things and add marker highlighting .
Presumably this also links in with the document search system which includes tagging via the dolphin file manager .
The bit it does n't appear to do is collaboration but it certainly seems that they 're taking it that direction if indeed it is n't just a feature I 've not found .
Do n't really know much about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because nobody seems to have mentioned.
Okular the default kde4 document viewer allows you to annotate any doc it opens, stick post-its on things and add marker highlighting.
Presumably this also links in with the document search system which includes tagging via the dolphin file manager.
The bit it doesn't appear to do is collaboration but it certainly seems that they're taking it that direction if indeed it isn't just a feature I've not found.
Don't really know much about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31108146</id>
	<title>Nuxeo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265896980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.nuxeo.com/en" title="nuxeo.com" rel="nofollow">Nuxeo</a> [nuxeo.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nuxeo [ nuxeo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nuxeo [nuxeo.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31110364</id>
	<title>A Prof Using Drupal</title>
	<author>Brian Sather</author>
	<datestamp>1266007620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a member of the esteemed (please infer sarcasm) faculty of academia myself, I have been employing Drupal [drupal.org] to address this same issue. In my case, I have shifted toward converting my text-based content to plain text and simple HTML based, housed in the database as individual webpage posts. This affords better flexibility with what I can do with the content. Also, there are several file management options with Drupal for the media- and PDF-type of files. However, converting my text documents to web content resolves the issue you are referring to with download &gt; edit &gt; re-upload of each document. I realize it is essentially the same process when you edit an online post, but the process is a lot less cumbersome and can be done from a computer anywhere without downloading special document software to edit the document.

What I like best about using Drupal for this is the flexibility to manage permissions, structure topics, tag, and reorganize content among other things. I wouldn't rate it as user-friendly in this regard, but it definitely has some powerful capabilities that I am taking advantage of. Modules in Drupal allow for Wiki-style editing, revision history, discussions, etc. You can also build a referencing and bibliography system associated with the content. I am also beginning to adress a peer-review system too and modules have been developed to focus on a workflow review process.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a member of the esteemed ( please infer sarcasm ) faculty of academia myself , I have been employing Drupal [ drupal.org ] to address this same issue .
In my case , I have shifted toward converting my text-based content to plain text and simple HTML based , housed in the database as individual webpage posts .
This affords better flexibility with what I can do with the content .
Also , there are several file management options with Drupal for the media- and PDF-type of files .
However , converting my text documents to web content resolves the issue you are referring to with download &gt; edit &gt; re-upload of each document .
I realize it is essentially the same process when you edit an online post , but the process is a lot less cumbersome and can be done from a computer anywhere without downloading special document software to edit the document .
What I like best about using Drupal for this is the flexibility to manage permissions , structure topics , tag , and reorganize content among other things .
I would n't rate it as user-friendly in this regard , but it definitely has some powerful capabilities that I am taking advantage of .
Modules in Drupal allow for Wiki-style editing , revision history , discussions , etc .
You can also build a referencing and bibliography system associated with the content .
I am also beginning to adress a peer-review system too and modules have been developed to focus on a workflow review process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a member of the esteemed (please infer sarcasm) faculty of academia myself, I have been employing Drupal [drupal.org] to address this same issue.
In my case, I have shifted toward converting my text-based content to plain text and simple HTML based, housed in the database as individual webpage posts.
This affords better flexibility with what I can do with the content.
Also, there are several file management options with Drupal for the media- and PDF-type of files.
However, converting my text documents to web content resolves the issue you are referring to with download &gt; edit &gt; re-upload of each document.
I realize it is essentially the same process when you edit an online post, but the process is a lot less cumbersome and can be done from a computer anywhere without downloading special document software to edit the document.
What I like best about using Drupal for this is the flexibility to manage permissions, structure topics, tag, and reorganize content among other things.
I wouldn't rate it as user-friendly in this regard, but it definitely has some powerful capabilities that I am taking advantage of.
Modules in Drupal allow for Wiki-style editing, revision history, discussions, etc.
You can also build a referencing and bibliography system associated with the content.
I am also beginning to adress a peer-review system too and modules have been developed to focus on a workflow review process.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31125908</id>
	<title>OQUMA - Quality/Environmental document management</title>
	<author>sunyata71</author>
	<datestamp>1266063840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
To add a small note to the thread, we've recently launched <a href="http://www.oquma.com/" title="oquma.com" rel="nofollow">OQUMA</a> [oquma.com], a Document Management service. It's like Alfresco or Nuxeo, but we are an online service (like KnowledgeTree). <br> <br>

We provide a business specific service to support Quality Management or Environmental Management. <br> <br>

Also, we have an open methodology (under Creative Commons), published in our <a href="http://wiki.oquma.net/" title="oquma.net" rel="nofollow">Wiki</a> [oquma.net]. So you can just grab the documents, change, and upload them to create a management system with version control, archiving, document permission/ownership and search/indexing.<br> <br>

Thanks,
Anibal</htmltext>
<tokenext>To add a small note to the thread , we 've recently launched OQUMA [ oquma.com ] , a Document Management service .
It 's like Alfresco or Nuxeo , but we are an online service ( like KnowledgeTree ) .
We provide a business specific service to support Quality Management or Environmental Management .
Also , we have an open methodology ( under Creative Commons ) , published in our Wiki [ oquma.net ] .
So you can just grab the documents , change , and upload them to create a management system with version control , archiving , document permission/ownership and search/indexing .
Thanks , Anibal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
To add a small note to the thread, we've recently launched OQUMA [oquma.com], a Document Management service.
It's like Alfresco or Nuxeo, but we are an online service (like KnowledgeTree).
We provide a business specific service to support Quality Management or Environmental Management.
Also, we have an open methodology (under Creative Commons), published in our Wiki [oquma.net].
So you can just grab the documents, change, and upload them to create a management system with version control, archiving, document permission/ownership and search/indexing.
Thanks,
Anibal</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109152</id>
	<title>Re:An unmet need in the biotech community</title>
	<author>mnmlst</author>
	<datestamp>1265905560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BasKet - OSS.  I am a PhD student and asked about this very thing of some fellow Slashdotters and they recommended BasKet, a product similar to Microsoft's OneNote.  I dearly love Foxit as my PDF reader/annotator, though Okular is quite good as well when I am fiddling with my Ubuntu box.  Both are free products (as in beer).  As I am stuck on a Vista computer for work/research, I use OneNote, but not as fanatically as some of my associates.  Incredibly, the installation of EndNote on my PC trashed my MS Word 2007, so I have had to switch over to OpenOffice's word processor with excellent results so far.  Sooner or later I will get around to setting up Windows 7 which hopefully can survive EndNote.  I'm really liking the MediaWiki idea and some sort of OSS solution for doing bibliographies.  I haven't really had to "share" much of my work yet, but I suppose that is coming later.  On a related note, I'm a big fan of lifehacker.com and autohotkey.com using the AutoCorrect file for Autohotkey to substitute a lot of tedious typing for me.  I type a few letters of a word IN ANY APPLICATION and autohotkey then replaces those few letters with yet another five dollar word: quantitative, qualitative, research, management, university, student, difference, relationship, and so on are on my self-generated list.  Loads of other cool stuff can be done with autohotkey as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BasKet - OSS .
I am a PhD student and asked about this very thing of some fellow Slashdotters and they recommended BasKet , a product similar to Microsoft 's OneNote .
I dearly love Foxit as my PDF reader/annotator , though Okular is quite good as well when I am fiddling with my Ubuntu box .
Both are free products ( as in beer ) .
As I am stuck on a Vista computer for work/research , I use OneNote , but not as fanatically as some of my associates .
Incredibly , the installation of EndNote on my PC trashed my MS Word 2007 , so I have had to switch over to OpenOffice 's word processor with excellent results so far .
Sooner or later I will get around to setting up Windows 7 which hopefully can survive EndNote .
I 'm really liking the MediaWiki idea and some sort of OSS solution for doing bibliographies .
I have n't really had to " share " much of my work yet , but I suppose that is coming later .
On a related note , I 'm a big fan of lifehacker.com and autohotkey.com using the AutoCorrect file for Autohotkey to substitute a lot of tedious typing for me .
I type a few letters of a word IN ANY APPLICATION and autohotkey then replaces those few letters with yet another five dollar word : quantitative , qualitative , research , management , university , student , difference , relationship , and so on are on my self-generated list .
Loads of other cool stuff can be done with autohotkey as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BasKet - OSS.
I am a PhD student and asked about this very thing of some fellow Slashdotters and they recommended BasKet, a product similar to Microsoft's OneNote.
I dearly love Foxit as my PDF reader/annotator, though Okular is quite good as well when I am fiddling with my Ubuntu box.
Both are free products (as in beer).
As I am stuck on a Vista computer for work/research, I use OneNote, but not as fanatically as some of my associates.
Incredibly, the installation of EndNote on my PC trashed my MS Word 2007, so I have had to switch over to OpenOffice's word processor with excellent results so far.
Sooner or later I will get around to setting up Windows 7 which hopefully can survive EndNote.
I'm really liking the MediaWiki idea and some sort of OSS solution for doing bibliographies.
I haven't really had to "share" much of my work yet, but I suppose that is coming later.
On a related note, I'm a big fan of lifehacker.com and autohotkey.com using the AutoCorrect file for Autohotkey to substitute a lot of tedious typing for me.
I type a few letters of a word IN ANY APPLICATION and autohotkey then replaces those few letters with yet another five dollar word: quantitative, qualitative, research, management, university, student, difference, relationship, and so on are on my self-generated list.
Loads of other cool stuff can be done with autohotkey as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109484</id>
	<title>What to do for mobile?</title>
	<author>ezdude</author>
	<datestamp>1265909580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, I've been using LabMeeting and BibDesk on my Macs. But since I've got a Droid now, I'm still trying to figure out the best way to read all my papers on that device, and probably an iPad when it comes out. Since Flash is not supported, LabMeeting won't work. Obviously, BibDesk is not supported right now. In fact, I'm guessing most of the sites/programs mentioned in this discussion won't work.

So? The only solution I can think of so far to store all my PDF's "in the cloud" is Google Docs or Dropbox. Dropbox might be the winner here, especially since you can get the revision history service. It's not free, but it's cheap enough to be worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I 've been using LabMeeting and BibDesk on my Macs .
But since I 've got a Droid now , I 'm still trying to figure out the best way to read all my papers on that device , and probably an iPad when it comes out .
Since Flash is not supported , LabMeeting wo n't work .
Obviously , BibDesk is not supported right now .
In fact , I 'm guessing most of the sites/programs mentioned in this discussion wo n't work .
So ? The only solution I can think of so far to store all my PDF 's " in the cloud " is Google Docs or Dropbox .
Dropbox might be the winner here , especially since you can get the revision history service .
It 's not free , but it 's cheap enough to be worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I've been using LabMeeting and BibDesk on my Macs.
But since I've got a Droid now, I'm still trying to figure out the best way to read all my papers on that device, and probably an iPad when it comes out.
Since Flash is not supported, LabMeeting won't work.
Obviously, BibDesk is not supported right now.
In fact, I'm guessing most of the sites/programs mentioned in this discussion won't work.
So? The only solution I can think of so far to store all my PDF's "in the cloud" is Google Docs or Dropbox.
Dropbox might be the winner here, especially since you can get the revision history service.
It's not free, but it's cheap enough to be worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106882</id>
	<title>Re:Zotero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265890560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zotero 2.0 can store data locally and/or sync over the network.  Previous versions of Zotero only allowed you to store your database locally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zotero 2.0 can store data locally and/or sync over the network .
Previous versions of Zotero only allowed you to store your database locally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zotero 2.0 can store data locally and/or sync over the network.
Previous versions of Zotero only allowed you to store your database locally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104940</id>
	<title>Re:OneNote vs pdf's</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265883120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use OneNote.  Generally, I really like the concept behind the program.  However, it has one fatal flaw for a academic environment:  its poor ability to handle pdf's.  Given that OneNote is a Microsoft program, I have little hope this flaw will ever be fixed.</p><p>Currently, I insert pdf's into OneNote as print outs.  This makes OneNote deal with each page as a separate image.  While the images can be viewed, it is impossible to attach notes or highlights to an image.  Markups can be placed over the image of the page, but nothing stops subsequent edits from moving the page image while the markups remain stationary.</p><p>So, I am quite interested in finding a better solution and have been reading these replies with interest.  It is strange that this category of software, which seems so natural for a computer, has lagged so far behind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use OneNote .
Generally , I really like the concept behind the program .
However , it has one fatal flaw for a academic environment : its poor ability to handle pdf 's .
Given that OneNote is a Microsoft program , I have little hope this flaw will ever be fixed.Currently , I insert pdf 's into OneNote as print outs .
This makes OneNote deal with each page as a separate image .
While the images can be viewed , it is impossible to attach notes or highlights to an image .
Markups can be placed over the image of the page , but nothing stops subsequent edits from moving the page image while the markups remain stationary.So , I am quite interested in finding a better solution and have been reading these replies with interest .
It is strange that this category of software , which seems so natural for a computer , has lagged so far behind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use OneNote.
Generally, I really like the concept behind the program.
However, it has one fatal flaw for a academic environment:  its poor ability to handle pdf's.
Given that OneNote is a Microsoft program, I have little hope this flaw will ever be fixed.Currently, I insert pdf's into OneNote as print outs.
This makes OneNote deal with each page as a separate image.
While the images can be viewed, it is impossible to attach notes or highlights to an image.
Markups can be placed over the image of the page, but nothing stops subsequent edits from moving the page image while the markups remain stationary.So, I am quite interested in finding a better solution and have been reading these replies with interest.
It is strange that this category of software, which seems so natural for a computer, has lagged so far behind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104072</id>
	<title>If I was a retard:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would also think that obama is really fixing things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would also think that obama is really fixing things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would also think that obama is really fixing things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104028</id>
	<title>mediawiki</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you want a low-tech approach, just install a wiki.  Mediawiki is full featured while MoinMoin is easy to install and configure (no separate database needed).  I haven't used any others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you want a low-tech approach , just install a wiki .
Mediawiki is full featured while MoinMoin is easy to install and configure ( no separate database needed ) .
I have n't used any others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you want a low-tech approach, just install a wiki.
Mediawiki is full featured while MoinMoin is easy to install and configure (no separate database needed).
I haven't used any others.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104766</id>
	<title>mendeley</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265882340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does everything you want. The drawback is, it is not free software.<br><a href="http://mendeley.com/" title="mendeley.com" rel="nofollow">http://mendeley.com/</a> [mendeley.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does everything you want .
The drawback is , it is not free software.http : //mendeley.com/ [ mendeley.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does everything you want.
The drawback is, it is not free software.http://mendeley.com/ [mendeley.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106358</id>
	<title>Re:An unmet need in the biotech community</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265888460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I work in a biotech startup with 12 people total.<br>We have several thousand pdfs, mostly of scientific publications downloaded from places like pubmed, along with some<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.ppts and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.docs and other files.<br>We use a endnote, a program from the behemoth in this area, thompson  research, which has most of hte software in this area.<br>see <a href="http://thomsonreuters.com/products\_services/science/science\_products/a-z/procite" title="thomsonreuters.com" rel="nofollow">http://thomsonreuters.com/products\_services/science/science\_products/a-z/procite</a> [thomsonreuters.com]</p><p>Based on what I have seen, there is a huge need for software that meets our needs; the thompson products are very $$ and , awfull - a classic case of crappy software with a lot of marketing.<br>Programs like endnote were created back in the 90s, for DOS machines, and they still look and feel like it, once you get past the pretty home page gui of the software that thompson has added on.</p><p>if anyone out there is serious about making a product to compete, give me a hollar</p></div><p>This can be your answer. http://www.daeja.com</p><p>We have written our application utilizing this component</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in a biotech startup with 12 people total.We have several thousand pdfs , mostly of scientific publications downloaded from places like pubmed , along with some .ppts and .docs and other files.We use a endnote , a program from the behemoth in this area , thompson research , which has most of hte software in this area.see http : //thomsonreuters.com/products \ _services/science/science \ _products/a-z/procite [ thomsonreuters.com ] Based on what I have seen , there is a huge need for software that meets our needs ; the thompson products are very $ $ and , awfull - a classic case of crappy software with a lot of marketing.Programs like endnote were created back in the 90s , for DOS machines , and they still look and feel like it , once you get past the pretty home page gui of the software that thompson has added on.if anyone out there is serious about making a product to compete , give me a hollarThis can be your answer .
http : //www.daeja.comWe have written our application utilizing this component</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in a biotech startup with 12 people total.We have several thousand pdfs, mostly of scientific publications downloaded from places like pubmed, along with some .ppts and .docs and other files.We use a endnote, a program from the behemoth in this area, thompson  research, which has most of hte software in this area.see http://thomsonreuters.com/products\_services/science/science\_products/a-z/procite [thomsonreuters.com]Based on what I have seen, there is a huge need for software that meets our needs; the thompson products are very $$ and , awfull - a classic case of crappy software with a lot of marketing.Programs like endnote were created back in the 90s, for DOS machines, and they still look and feel like it, once you get past the pretty home page gui of the software that thompson has added on.if anyone out there is serious about making a product to compete, give me a hollarThis can be your answer.
http://www.daeja.comWe have written our application utilizing this component
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104520</id>
	<title>TagTeam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265881440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a basic, low-tech solution I'd suggest TagTeam (http://www.andrew-quinney.com/tagteam.html).  It's a basic file tagging utility that makes use of filesystem metadata (PC and Mac), so any changes you make to a given file are immediately visible to others with access to the same file.  It also includes a powerful searching language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a basic , low-tech solution I 'd suggest TagTeam ( http : //www.andrew-quinney.com/tagteam.html ) .
It 's a basic file tagging utility that makes use of filesystem metadata ( PC and Mac ) , so any changes you make to a given file are immediately visible to others with access to the same file .
It also includes a powerful searching language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a basic, low-tech solution I'd suggest TagTeam (http://www.andrew-quinney.com/tagteam.html).
It's a basic file tagging utility that makes use of filesystem metadata (PC and Mac), so any changes you make to a given file are immediately visible to others with access to the same file.
It also includes a powerful searching language.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31108316</id>
	<title>Onfolio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265898120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Onfolio was/is the best software for this, hands down. But M$ bought it and killed it. I'm still using a version I installed in 2007 and have tons of research in it, and I'm nervously awaiting the day when it no longer works with my browser and I have to dump all of my data as an<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.xml file and figure out what the hell to do with it. So I guess I have nothing to offer except to say: FUCK YOU MICROSOFT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Onfolio was/is the best software for this , hands down .
But M $ bought it and killed it .
I 'm still using a version I installed in 2007 and have tons of research in it , and I 'm nervously awaiting the day when it no longer works with my browser and I have to dump all of my data as an .xml file and figure out what the hell to do with it .
So I guess I have nothing to offer except to say : FUCK YOU MICROSOFT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Onfolio was/is the best software for this, hands down.
But M$ bought it and killed it.
I'm still using a version I installed in 2007 and have tons of research in it, and I'm nervously awaiting the day when it no longer works with my browser and I have to dump all of my data as an .xml file and figure out what the hell to do with it.
So I guess I have nothing to offer except to say: FUCK YOU MICROSOFT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31108998</id>
	<title>Sente works and has sync</title>
	<author>chandar</author>
	<datestamp>1265904000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been using Sente.  It allows you to sync one library with three copies of Sente on different computers.  It also allows some copies to have restricted access, so you can share your libraries with friends.  It a way to annotate within a pdf or to annotate the record.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using Sente .
It allows you to sync one library with three copies of Sente on different computers .
It also allows some copies to have restricted access , so you can share your libraries with friends .
It a way to annotate within a pdf or to annotate the record .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using Sente.
It allows you to sync one library with three copies of Sente on different computers.
It also allows some copies to have restricted access, so you can share your libraries with friends.
It a way to annotate within a pdf or to annotate the record.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104062</id>
	<title>Quick fix</title>
	<author>nicolas.kassis</author>
	<datestamp>1265879460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just whip  one up in rails and post a 20 minutes screencast. Done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just whip one up in rails and post a 20 minutes screencast .
Done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just whip  one up in rails and post a 20 minutes screencast.
Done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104380</id>
	<title>Looked at Microsoft Office workspace?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265880840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>www.officelive.com</p><p>It is free, allows upto 5GB of data.  Easy collaboration by sharing individual workspaces.</p><p>Built on Sharepoint technologies, worth a look.</p><p>Cheers<br>HS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>www.officelive.comIt is free , allows upto 5GB of data .
Easy collaboration by sharing individual workspaces.Built on Sharepoint technologies , worth a look.CheersHS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.officelive.comIt is free, allows upto 5GB of data.
Easy collaboration by sharing individual workspaces.Built on Sharepoint technologies, worth a look.CheersHS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104546</id>
	<title>Confluence</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265881500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out Confluence [http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/]- wiki that allows for attachments, etc. - easy to search and use, and comments, version history</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Confluence [ http : //www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ ] - wiki that allows for attachments , etc .
- easy to search and use , and comments , version history</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Confluence [http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/]- wiki that allows for attachments, etc.
- easy to search and use, and comments, version history</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104510</id>
	<title>SharePoint or OneNote</title>
	<author>KnownIssues</author>
	<datestamp>1265881380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft Office SharePoint includes the capabilities you mentioned (version control, archiving, document permission/ownership and search/indexing) and is on par price-wise with KnowledgeTree (though not free). They also have a hosted model, SharePoint Online.</p><p>The capabilities you list actually needing--index, search, collaborate and keep and share notes--might be better fit by Microsoft OneNote. It doesn't do version control and document permission/ownership, but it does what you described doing. At my place of business, there are two categories of people: those who love OneNote and those who haven't tried it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Office SharePoint includes the capabilities you mentioned ( version control , archiving , document permission/ownership and search/indexing ) and is on par price-wise with KnowledgeTree ( though not free ) .
They also have a hosted model , SharePoint Online.The capabilities you list actually needing--index , search , collaborate and keep and share notes--might be better fit by Microsoft OneNote .
It does n't do version control and document permission/ownership , but it does what you described doing .
At my place of business , there are two categories of people : those who love OneNote and those who have n't tried it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft Office SharePoint includes the capabilities you mentioned (version control, archiving, document permission/ownership and search/indexing) and is on par price-wise with KnowledgeTree (though not free).
They also have a hosted model, SharePoint Online.The capabilities you list actually needing--index, search, collaborate and keep and share notes--might be better fit by Microsoft OneNote.
It doesn't do version control and document permission/ownership, but it does what you described doing.
At my place of business, there are two categories of people: those who love OneNote and those who haven't tried it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109338</id>
	<title>Try http://abicollab.net</title>
	<author>msevior</author>
	<datestamp>1265907420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try <a href="http://abicollab.net./" title="abicollab.net.">http://abicollab.net./</a> [abicollab.net.]</p><p>Clicking "open" on the doc automatically loads the doc into abiword, which you can annotate as you like. Clicking "save" in abiword sends it back to <a href="http://abocollab.net./" title="abocollab.net.">http://abocollab.net./</a> [abocollab.net.]</p><p>You can easily share and collaborate in real-time. You can tag your docs, share then amongst groups of people etc.</p><p>I guess it's not quite what you're after but it's collaboration features might make it work better than you expect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try http : //abicollab.net./ [ abicollab.net .
] Clicking " open " on the doc automatically loads the doc into abiword , which you can annotate as you like .
Clicking " save " in abiword sends it back to http : //abocollab.net./ [ abocollab.net .
] You can easily share and collaborate in real-time .
You can tag your docs , share then amongst groups of people etc.I guess it 's not quite what you 're after but it 's collaboration features might make it work better than you expect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try http://abicollab.net./ [abicollab.net.
]Clicking "open" on the doc automatically loads the doc into abiword, which you can annotate as you like.
Clicking "save" in abiword sends it back to http://abocollab.net./ [abocollab.net.
]You can easily share and collaborate in real-time.
You can tag your docs, share then amongst groups of people etc.I guess it's not quite what you're after but it's collaboration features might make it work better than you expect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105084</id>
	<title>Bibdesk</title>
	<author>qvatch</author>
	<datestamp>1265883540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On a Mac, bibdesk wins hands down. It'll store and sort, search, use external editors, etc. Open source, and uses bibtex.

<a href="http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>On a Mac , bibdesk wins hands down .
It 'll store and sort , search , use external editors , etc .
Open source , and uses bibtex .
http : //bibdesk.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a Mac, bibdesk wins hands down.
It'll store and sort, search, use external editors, etc.
Open source, and uses bibtex.
http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104512</id>
	<title>Re:mediawiki</title>
	<author>caffeinemessiah</author>
	<datestamp>1265881380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try <a href="http://www.mendeley.com/" title="mendeley.com">Mendeley</a> [mendeley.com]. They're still pretty new, but very promising with their desktop client for Linux/Mac/Win in addition to the web interface. They also sync perfectly with Zotero and CiteULike, which makes migration easier. You can annotate PDFs directly in the desktop, but I think only the latest beta build has support for sync'ing the annotations across multiple computers. I'm hopeful for them -- it's definitely one of the most promising Ref manager systems I've seen (oh yes, they also support Bibtex,Endnote,Refworks formats heavily)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try Mendeley [ mendeley.com ] .
They 're still pretty new , but very promising with their desktop client for Linux/Mac/Win in addition to the web interface .
They also sync perfectly with Zotero and CiteULike , which makes migration easier .
You can annotate PDFs directly in the desktop , but I think only the latest beta build has support for sync'ing the annotations across multiple computers .
I 'm hopeful for them -- it 's definitely one of the most promising Ref manager systems I 've seen ( oh yes , they also support Bibtex,Endnote,Refworks formats heavily )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try Mendeley [mendeley.com].
They're still pretty new, but very promising with their desktop client for Linux/Mac/Win in addition to the web interface.
They also sync perfectly with Zotero and CiteULike, which makes migration easier.
You can annotate PDFs directly in the desktop, but I think only the latest beta build has support for sync'ing the annotations across multiple computers.
I'm hopeful for them -- it's definitely one of the most promising Ref manager systems I've seen (oh yes, they also support Bibtex,Endnote,Refworks formats heavily)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31108194</id>
	<title>Great suggestion..</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1265897280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So far it's one of the best I've tried and it does a pretty great job of extracting all the reference/author data. As a desktop application, for my purposes at least, it seems just about perfect with my only current quibbles (only an hour or so into use) would be 1) the way it's search handles multiple matches within a document (hint: it doesn't) 2) they way it displays matched documents (matches aren't highlighted and must be manually paged/scrolled to).<br> <br>
Those 2 points are kind of important issues for an indexing/search/research tool, but overall I'm still really impressed with the project and features like the folder watch (rather then manually importing new documents) definitely add value.<br> <br>
Of course it's pretty slick too, which is always nice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So far it 's one of the best I 've tried and it does a pretty great job of extracting all the reference/author data .
As a desktop application , for my purposes at least , it seems just about perfect with my only current quibbles ( only an hour or so into use ) would be 1 ) the way it 's search handles multiple matches within a document ( hint : it does n't ) 2 ) they way it displays matched documents ( matches are n't highlighted and must be manually paged/scrolled to ) .
Those 2 points are kind of important issues for an indexing/search/research tool , but overall I 'm still really impressed with the project and features like the folder watch ( rather then manually importing new documents ) definitely add value .
Of course it 's pretty slick too , which is always nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So far it's one of the best I've tried and it does a pretty great job of extracting all the reference/author data.
As a desktop application, for my purposes at least, it seems just about perfect with my only current quibbles (only an hour or so into use) would be 1) the way it's search handles multiple matches within a document (hint: it doesn't) 2) they way it displays matched documents (matches aren't highlighted and must be manually paged/scrolled to).
Those 2 points are kind of important issues for an indexing/search/research tool, but overall I'm still really impressed with the project and features like the folder watch (rather then manually importing new documents) definitely add value.
Of course it's pretty slick too, which is always nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106734</id>
	<title>SpringCM has a nice pinpoint feature.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265890080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And doesn't require you to download the document either.  You can also put documents through a workflow if you need.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And does n't require you to download the document either .
You can also put documents through a workflow if you need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And doesn't require you to download the document either.
You can also put documents through a workflow if you need.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104808</id>
	<title>Adobe LiveCycle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265882520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Adobe has some solutions for this problem space built on top of their LiveCycle platform. The Review Comment and Approval solution is all about managing document centric collaboration</p><p>http://www.adobe.com/devnet/livecycle/solutions/review\_buildingblock.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Adobe has some solutions for this problem space built on top of their LiveCycle platform .
The Review Comment and Approval solution is all about managing document centric collaborationhttp : //www.adobe.com/devnet/livecycle/solutions/review \ _buildingblock.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adobe has some solutions for this problem space built on top of their LiveCycle platform.
The Review Comment and Approval solution is all about managing document centric collaborationhttp://www.adobe.com/devnet/livecycle/solutions/review\_buildingblock.html</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105148</id>
	<title>Bibdesk and CVS or SVN for Latex on Mac</title>
	<author>m0nstr42</author>
	<datestamp>1265883780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you use a Mac and are in a Latex-centric field, I find Bibdesk (http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/) really great for managing reference pdfs and use cvs or svn if I really want to manage a document I'm working on.  There's no annotation in Bibdesk but you can record notes and it generates bibtex for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you use a Mac and are in a Latex-centric field , I find Bibdesk ( http : //bibdesk.sourceforge.net/ ) really great for managing reference pdfs and use cvs or svn if I really want to manage a document I 'm working on .
There 's no annotation in Bibdesk but you can record notes and it generates bibtex for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you use a Mac and are in a Latex-centric field, I find Bibdesk (http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/) really great for managing reference pdfs and use cvs or svn if I really want to manage a document I'm working on.
There's no annotation in Bibdesk but you can record notes and it generates bibtex for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31110956</id>
	<title>Re:An unmet need in the biotech community</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265973180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PageCenterX can store and organise your PDFs including full-text search, indexing and page-level annotation which can be kept private or shared at a user or group level.  Advanced import allows rule-based decollation and routing of documents if required.</p><p>http://www.lrs.com/eom/PDF/fly-Product-Flyers/fly-PageCenterX-english.pdf</p><p>Full Disclosure: I am employed by LRS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PageCenterX can store and organise your PDFs including full-text search , indexing and page-level annotation which can be kept private or shared at a user or group level .
Advanced import allows rule-based decollation and routing of documents if required.http : //www.lrs.com/eom/PDF/fly-Product-Flyers/fly-PageCenterX-english.pdfFull Disclosure : I am employed by LRS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PageCenterX can store and organise your PDFs including full-text search, indexing and page-level annotation which can be kept private or shared at a user or group level.
Advanced import allows rule-based decollation and routing of documents if required.http://www.lrs.com/eom/PDF/fly-Product-Flyers/fly-PageCenterX-english.pdfFull Disclosure: I am employed by LRS</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104622</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109472</id>
	<title>Pfft, the answer's obvious!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265909400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Emacs!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Emacs !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emacs!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104366</id>
	<title>iTunes... believe it or don't</title>
	<author>Dystopian Rebel</author>
	<datestamp>1265880780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you already have it installed, iTunes may be a simple solution.<br><a href="http://lifehacker.com/software/pdf/geek-to-live--organize-your-pdf-library-with-itunes-240447.php" title="lifehacker.com">http://lifehacker.com/software/pdf/geek-to-live--organize-your-pdf-library-with-itunes-240447.php</a> [lifehacker.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you already have it installed , iTunes may be a simple solution.http : //lifehacker.com/software/pdf/geek-to-live--organize-your-pdf-library-with-itunes-240447.php [ lifehacker.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you already have it installed, iTunes may be a simple solution.http://lifehacker.com/software/pdf/geek-to-live--organize-your-pdf-library-with-itunes-240447.php [lifehacker.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104368</id>
	<title>Zotero</title>
	<author>CAPSLOCK2000</author>
	<datestamp>1265880780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About a year ago I needed a piece of software that matches your requirements. I wanted to be able to do my research from anywhere and keep track of notes and annotations in a very simple but searchable way.</p><p>Zotero is the closest thing. It's not perfect, far from it, but none of the competition came even close.<br>Zotero is a Firefox plugin that allows you to link or store information, be it webpages, pdf's or anything else you may see online. It's possible to group &amp; tag your documents in various ways and there are various options for taking notes and adding annotations.</p><p>All of it is stored online so you don't need to carry anything with you. Just install the firefox plugin, enter your credentials and off you go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About a year ago I needed a piece of software that matches your requirements .
I wanted to be able to do my research from anywhere and keep track of notes and annotations in a very simple but searchable way.Zotero is the closest thing .
It 's not perfect , far from it , but none of the competition came even close.Zotero is a Firefox plugin that allows you to link or store information , be it webpages , pdf 's or anything else you may see online .
It 's possible to group &amp; tag your documents in various ways and there are various options for taking notes and adding annotations.All of it is stored online so you do n't need to carry anything with you .
Just install the firefox plugin , enter your credentials and off you go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About a year ago I needed a piece of software that matches your requirements.
I wanted to be able to do my research from anywhere and keep track of notes and annotations in a very simple but searchable way.Zotero is the closest thing.
It's not perfect, far from it, but none of the competition came even close.Zotero is a Firefox plugin that allows you to link or store information, be it webpages, pdf's or anything else you may see online.
It's possible to group &amp; tag your documents in various ways and there are various options for taking notes and adding annotations.All of it is stored online so you don't need to carry anything with you.
Just install the firefox plugin, enter your credentials and off you go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31110122</id>
	<title>Refbase plus Drupal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265917440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've installed a combination of Refbase (http://www.refbase.net/index.php/Web\_Reference\_Database) and Drupal for our biological lab. One of the nice features of refbase is its ability to generate a permanent link to a reference and to store a pdf of it. That link can be pasted into a book in Drupal, so there is easy access to the actual reference. The book format with revisions and comments lends itself very well to group research and discussion. So far I have not found anything else that is as flexible and easy to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've installed a combination of Refbase ( http : //www.refbase.net/index.php/Web \ _Reference \ _Database ) and Drupal for our biological lab .
One of the nice features of refbase is its ability to generate a permanent link to a reference and to store a pdf of it .
That link can be pasted into a book in Drupal , so there is easy access to the actual reference .
The book format with revisions and comments lends itself very well to group research and discussion .
So far I have not found anything else that is as flexible and easy to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've installed a combination of Refbase (http://www.refbase.net/index.php/Web\_Reference\_Database) and Drupal for our biological lab.
One of the nice features of refbase is its ability to generate a permanent link to a reference and to store a pdf of it.
That link can be pasted into a book in Drupal, so there is easy access to the actual reference.
The book format with revisions and comments lends itself very well to group research and discussion.
So far I have not found anything else that is as flexible and easy to use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31110168</id>
	<title>docmeeting by madepublic</title>
	<author>digco</author>
	<datestamp>1265918280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>docmeeting.com provides contextual annotations for Web pages, Microsoft Office and PDF files... Using a web-browser, you can very quickly store and annotate relevant web pages as you find them while browsing the Internet. The pages/documents are processed, stored on a centralized web server and can be labeled with "tags" for easy search and retrieval.
All documents are enabled for instant collaboration via "in context" comments, directly within the Web browser. This simple access to annotation facilitates collaboration within workgroups. Added comments build value by providing an additional level of relevant information to the stored documents that can't be provided by automated search engines.
I have designed this system, it's 12 years old and very unique. It's being used by big corporations (e.g. intranet HR departments) but free for the public.</htmltext>
<tokenext>docmeeting.com provides contextual annotations for Web pages , Microsoft Office and PDF files... Using a web-browser , you can very quickly store and annotate relevant web pages as you find them while browsing the Internet .
The pages/documents are processed , stored on a centralized web server and can be labeled with " tags " for easy search and retrieval .
All documents are enabled for instant collaboration via " in context " comments , directly within the Web browser .
This simple access to annotation facilitates collaboration within workgroups .
Added comments build value by providing an additional level of relevant information to the stored documents that ca n't be provided by automated search engines .
I have designed this system , it 's 12 years old and very unique .
It 's being used by big corporations ( e.g .
intranet HR departments ) but free for the public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>docmeeting.com provides contextual annotations for Web pages, Microsoft Office and PDF files... Using a web-browser, you can very quickly store and annotate relevant web pages as you find them while browsing the Internet.
The pages/documents are processed, stored on a centralized web server and can be labeled with "tags" for easy search and retrieval.
All documents are enabled for instant collaboration via "in context" comments, directly within the Web browser.
This simple access to annotation facilitates collaboration within workgroups.
Added comments build value by providing an additional level of relevant information to the stored documents that can't be provided by automated search engines.
I have designed this system, it's 12 years old and very unique.
It's being used by big corporations (e.g.
intranet HR departments) but free for the public.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104004</id>
	<title>Just buy EndNote?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nothing much more to say here... I have found EndNote very useful.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing much more to say here... I have found EndNote very useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing much more to say here... I have found EndNote very useful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31107338</id>
	<title>how about UpLib?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265892420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about UpLib, at http://uplib.parc.com/?  It's open source and designed explicitly for this purpose.  It can store and index PDF, Word, Web pages, photos, email, etc., and supports extensive annotation and cross-linking capabilities.  Automatically full-text indexes everything, and uses Lucene for searching.  It runs fine on a laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about UpLib , at http : //uplib.parc.com/ ?
It 's open source and designed explicitly for this purpose .
It can store and index PDF , Word , Web pages , photos , email , etc. , and supports extensive annotation and cross-linking capabilities .
Automatically full-text indexes everything , and uses Lucene for searching .
It runs fine on a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about UpLib, at http://uplib.parc.com/?
It's open source and designed explicitly for this purpose.
It can store and index PDF, Word, Web pages, photos, email, etc., and supports extensive annotation and cross-linking capabilities.
Automatically full-text indexes everything, and uses Lucene for searching.
It runs fine on a laptop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105016</id>
	<title>TeleRiddler</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265883300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know I will probably get yelled at for posting this but Windows SharePoint Services 3.0 is free for download and does everything you need.  You edit documents directly within the Microsoft Office suite.  If you have MS Office this might be an option for you.  If you are using OpenOffice, then probably not.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --TR</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I will probably get yelled at for posting this but Windows SharePoint Services 3.0 is free for download and does everything you need .
You edit documents directly within the Microsoft Office suite .
If you have MS Office this might be an option for you .
If you are using OpenOffice , then probably not .
      --TR</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I will probably get yelled at for posting this but Windows SharePoint Services 3.0 is free for download and does everything you need.
You edit documents directly within the Microsoft Office suite.
If you have MS Office this might be an option for you.
If you are using OpenOffice, then probably not.
      --TR</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31136140</id>
	<title>Document Management For Research With Annotation?</title>
	<author>Radiobread</author>
	<datestamp>1266179340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know if this is quite what you're looking for.. but I have found Evernote "The all new Evernote 3.5 for Windows
Evernote 3.5 for Windows is completely new. We rewrote it from the ground up to make it faster, more reliable, and just plain better than Evernote for Windows has ever been. Our goal was to use everything we've learned since our launch to make a great Evernote experience on Windows. If you're interested in trying Evernote 3.5, install it from our downloads page ( <a href="http://s.evernote.com/windows" title="evernote.com" rel="nofollow">http://s.evernote.com/windows</a> [evernote.com] ). There's a ton more to say, so please read our blog post(s): <a href="http://s.evernote.com/win35blog" title="evernote.com" rel="nofollow">http://s.evernote.com/win35blog</a> [evernote.com]" very useful when I was doing my Open University Course<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..Good Luck..mm</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if this is quite what you 're looking for.. but I have found Evernote " The all new Evernote 3.5 for Windows Evernote 3.5 for Windows is completely new .
We rewrote it from the ground up to make it faster , more reliable , and just plain better than Evernote for Windows has ever been .
Our goal was to use everything we 've learned since our launch to make a great Evernote experience on Windows .
If you 're interested in trying Evernote 3.5 , install it from our downloads page ( http : //s.evernote.com/windows [ evernote.com ] ) .
There 's a ton more to say , so please read our blog post ( s ) : http : //s.evernote.com/win35blog [ evernote.com ] " very useful when I was doing my Open University Course ..Good Luck..mm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if this is quite what you're looking for.. but I have found Evernote "The all new Evernote 3.5 for Windows
Evernote 3.5 for Windows is completely new.
We rewrote it from the ground up to make it faster, more reliable, and just plain better than Evernote for Windows has ever been.
Our goal was to use everything we've learned since our launch to make a great Evernote experience on Windows.
If you're interested in trying Evernote 3.5, install it from our downloads page ( http://s.evernote.com/windows [evernote.com] ).
There's a ton more to say, so please read our blog post(s): http://s.evernote.com/win35blog [evernote.com]" very useful when I was doing my Open University Course ..Good Luck..mm</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104534</id>
	<title>Dspace?</title>
	<author>andresambrois</author>
	<datestamp>1265881500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you tried it? It's quite powerful and free. They have a good tour video here:
  <a href="http://www.dspace.org/about-dspace/DSpace-Video.html" title="dspace.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.dspace.org/about-dspace/DSpace-Video.html</a> [dspace.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you tried it ?
It 's quite powerful and free .
They have a good tour video here : http : //www.dspace.org/about-dspace/DSpace-Video.html [ dspace.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you tried it?
It's quite powerful and free.
They have a good tour video here:
  http://www.dspace.org/about-dspace/DSpace-Video.html [dspace.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104234</id>
	<title>For Mac, I use Papers</title>
	<author>pacergh</author>
	<datestamp>1265880180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Papers.  It does not do everything you want, but it is a nice management tool.  It is still growing in features, and the support staff is very responsive.  (They provided me, same day, a new NIB file that allowed me to use it on my small hackintoshed Dell Mini 9 screen.)</p><p>The link is here: <a href="http://mekentosj.com/papers/" title="mekentosj.com" rel="nofollow">http://mekentosj.com/papers/</a> [mekentosj.com] </p><p>Otherwise, Endnote works well.  I know many who use it.  There are a few others that are also out there.</p><p>Good luck with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Papers .
It does not do everything you want , but it is a nice management tool .
It is still growing in features , and the support staff is very responsive .
( They provided me , same day , a new NIB file that allowed me to use it on my small hackintoshed Dell Mini 9 screen .
) The link is here : http : //mekentosj.com/papers/ [ mekentosj.com ] Otherwise , Endnote works well .
I know many who use it .
There are a few others that are also out there.Good luck with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Papers.
It does not do everything you want, but it is a nice management tool.
It is still growing in features, and the support staff is very responsive.
(They provided me, same day, a new NIB file that allowed me to use it on my small hackintoshed Dell Mini 9 screen.
)The link is here: http://mekentosj.com/papers/ [mekentosj.com] Otherwise, Endnote works well.
I know many who use it.
There are a few others that are also out there.Good luck with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104388</id>
	<title>Re:WSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265880840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use WSS as it's free, but sadly not open source. My documents are not locked in though so I'm not tooo concerned. It's worth a look/assessment at the least.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use WSS as it 's free , but sadly not open source .
My documents are not locked in though so I 'm not tooo concerned .
It 's worth a look/assessment at the least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use WSS as it's free, but sadly not open source.
My documents are not locked in though so I'm not tooo concerned.
It's worth a look/assessment at the least.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104200</id>
	<title>Privacy concerns aside...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would Google's Wave work for you?  It's real time, centralized, and browser based.  I say privacy concerns aside, because the protocol is available, and people could build their own servers (such as <a href="http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/" title="google.com">http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/</a> [google.com])...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would Google 's Wave work for you ?
It 's real time , centralized , and browser based .
I say privacy concerns aside , because the protocol is available , and people could build their own servers ( such as http : //code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/ [ google.com ] ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would Google's Wave work for you?
It's real time, centralized, and browser based.
I say privacy concerns aside, because the protocol is available, and people could build their own servers (such as http://code.google.com/p/pygowave-server/ [google.com])...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104476</id>
	<title>Re:WSS</title>
	<author>hex1b</author>
	<datestamp>1265881260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use Zotero and Mendeley <a href="http://www.mendeley.com/" title="mendeley.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mendeley.com/</a> [mendeley.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Zotero and Mendeley http : //www.mendeley.com/ [ mendeley.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Zotero and Mendeley http://www.mendeley.com/ [mendeley.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104082</id>
	<title>'Collaborate' Implies ...</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1265879520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Collaborate, in my opinion, implies that there is some advanced messaging going on in the background.  And the persistence of that messaging (whether on a centralized server or via some P2P/Client routing protocol) is not only complex but often needs to be specific to what you want to collaborate about.  Let's look at annotations.  Where are they stored?  How am I notified if you add an annotation to my document?  How do I track my annotations?  How do I share my annotations?  Where is that stored?  Etc.  The questions raised are endless.  <br> <br>

A coworker implemented a basic ruby service of this where I work and I have to say that he didn't find any open source alternatives before he started that fulfilled anywhere near what we needed.  Ruby made it pretty easy (1 or 2 person job) with the emphasis just being javascript and DOM coding to get the interface correct.  Then we just had a RESTful service for storing these and from there we'll keep adding on features like messaging/e-mail alearts/etc for the users when we get time.  Yes, I'm aware that if I open sourced this you could help me out with that but I'm sorry, my employer is not on that boat (yet).  <br> <br>

For your reference, even just document management is a sticky solution to find in open source, <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/05/1922209" title="slashdot.org">we've talked</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/01/1959239" title="slashdot.org">about it</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/15/0220210" title="slashdot.org">time</a> [slashdot.org] and <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/11/12/0348229" title="slashdot.org">time</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/story/09/06/10/2114220/How-To-Manage-Hundreds-of-Thousands-of-Documents?from=rss" title="slashdot.org">again</a> [slashdot.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Collaborate , in my opinion , implies that there is some advanced messaging going on in the background .
And the persistence of that messaging ( whether on a centralized server or via some P2P/Client routing protocol ) is not only complex but often needs to be specific to what you want to collaborate about .
Let 's look at annotations .
Where are they stored ?
How am I notified if you add an annotation to my document ?
How do I track my annotations ?
How do I share my annotations ?
Where is that stored ?
Etc. The questions raised are endless .
A coworker implemented a basic ruby service of this where I work and I have to say that he did n't find any open source alternatives before he started that fulfilled anywhere near what we needed .
Ruby made it pretty easy ( 1 or 2 person job ) with the emphasis just being javascript and DOM coding to get the interface correct .
Then we just had a RESTful service for storing these and from there we 'll keep adding on features like messaging/e-mail alearts/etc for the users when we get time .
Yes , I 'm aware that if I open sourced this you could help me out with that but I 'm sorry , my employer is not on that boat ( yet ) .
For your reference , even just document management is a sticky solution to find in open source , we 've talked [ slashdot.org ] about it [ slashdot.org ] time [ slashdot.org ] and time [ slashdot.org ] again [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Collaborate, in my opinion, implies that there is some advanced messaging going on in the background.
And the persistence of that messaging (whether on a centralized server or via some P2P/Client routing protocol) is not only complex but often needs to be specific to what you want to collaborate about.
Let's look at annotations.
Where are they stored?
How am I notified if you add an annotation to my document?
How do I track my annotations?
How do I share my annotations?
Where is that stored?
Etc.  The questions raised are endless.
A coworker implemented a basic ruby service of this where I work and I have to say that he didn't find any open source alternatives before he started that fulfilled anywhere near what we needed.
Ruby made it pretty easy (1 or 2 person job) with the emphasis just being javascript and DOM coding to get the interface correct.
Then we just had a RESTful service for storing these and from there we'll keep adding on features like messaging/e-mail alearts/etc for the users when we get time.
Yes, I'm aware that if I open sourced this you could help me out with that but I'm sorry, my employer is not on that boat (yet).
For your reference, even just document management is a sticky solution to find in open source, we've talked [slashdot.org] about it [slashdot.org] time [slashdot.org] and time [slashdot.org] again [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104340</id>
	<title>Zotero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265880660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.zotero.org/" title="zotero.org" rel="nofollow">Zotero</a> [zotero.org] might be worth a look. It's a Firefox plugin (open-source), mainly designed for keeping track of a collection of academic litterature. It allows you to organize the papers in folders, tag, annotate, and share the papers and annotations with others, all easily available in the FF gui. You can export lists of references to Word/OpenOffice/TeX when writing papers, they can be autoformatted to a wide range of citation styles.</p><p>It works really well (with full-text search) for storing web pages/pdfs. I don't know how well it works for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.odt etc. Even if your purpose is not that of the typical university researcher it might be useful. For instance, recently I've liked using it for storing job ads, and my corresponding applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zotero [ zotero.org ] might be worth a look .
It 's a Firefox plugin ( open-source ) , mainly designed for keeping track of a collection of academic litterature .
It allows you to organize the papers in folders , tag , annotate , and share the papers and annotations with others , all easily available in the FF gui .
You can export lists of references to Word/OpenOffice/TeX when writing papers , they can be autoformatted to a wide range of citation styles.It works really well ( with full-text search ) for storing web pages/pdfs .
I do n't know how well it works for .odt etc .
Even if your purpose is not that of the typical university researcher it might be useful .
For instance , recently I 've liked using it for storing job ads , and my corresponding applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Zotero [zotero.org] might be worth a look.
It's a Firefox plugin (open-source), mainly designed for keeping track of a collection of academic litterature.
It allows you to organize the papers in folders, tag, annotate, and share the papers and annotations with others, all easily available in the FF gui.
You can export lists of references to Word/OpenOffice/TeX when writing papers, they can be autoformatted to a wide range of citation styles.It works really well (with full-text search) for storing web pages/pdfs.
I don't know how well it works for .odt etc.
Even if your purpose is not that of the typical university researcher it might be useful.
For instance, recently I've liked using it for storing job ads, and my corresponding applications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104834</id>
	<title>From what you describe ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265882640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're looking for a reference management system, not a document management system.  (although, they might not deal with all of the stuff that you mentioned that a document management system will)</p><p>Zotero should work for a single person, but if you're trying to do this for an office, you might want to take a look at Aigaion.</p><p>If you want to look at others to see what best fits your needs, see:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_reference\_management\_software" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_reference\_management\_software</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>And , if you still can't find anything -- try asking on the Code4Lib mailing list, as you might need one of the 'integrated' library solutions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're looking for a reference management system , not a document management system .
( although , they might not deal with all of the stuff that you mentioned that a document management system will ) Zotero should work for a single person , but if you 're trying to do this for an office , you might want to take a look at Aigaion.If you want to look at others to see what best fits your needs , see :         http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison \ _of \ _reference \ _management \ _software [ wikipedia.org ] And , if you still ca n't find anything -- try asking on the Code4Lib mailing list , as you might need one of the 'integrated ' library solutions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're looking for a reference management system, not a document management system.
(although, they might not deal with all of the stuff that you mentioned that a document management system will)Zotero should work for a single person, but if you're trying to do this for an office, you might want to take a look at Aigaion.If you want to look at others to see what best fits your needs, see:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_reference\_management\_software [wikipedia.org]And , if you still can't find anything -- try asking on the Code4Lib mailing list, as you might need one of the 'integrated' library solutions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104642</id>
	<title>Re:Zotero</title>
	<author>loftwyr</author>
	<datestamp>1265881860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using Zotero for a year and love it.  The new version (2.0) is a godsend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using Zotero for a year and love it .
The new version ( 2.0 ) is a godsend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using Zotero for a year and love it.
The new version (2.0) is a godsend.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104166</id>
	<title>Jabref?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does jabref suit your purpose : http://jabref.sourceforge.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does jabref suit your purpose : http : //jabref.sourceforge.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does jabref suit your purpose : http://jabref.sourceforge.net/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104002</id>
	<title>If I was a retard:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would vote for Sarah Palin.</p><p>I would not believe science that doesn't agree with my insane and fraudulently presented world-view.</p><p>I would vote for the same Republicans that got us in to the economic mess that Barrack  Obama is fixing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would vote for Sarah Palin.I would not believe science that does n't agree with my insane and fraudulently presented world-view.I would vote for the same Republicans that got us in to the economic mess that Barrack Obama is fixing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would vote for Sarah Palin.I would not believe science that doesn't agree with my insane and fraudulently presented world-view.I would vote for the same Republicans that got us in to the economic mess that Barrack  Obama is fixing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104256</id>
	<title>Discuss about it.</title>
	<author>ronzed</author>
	<datestamp>1265880240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hi,

I currently use KnowledgeTree CE. When I want to add a note, a link or a comment to one of my document (without editing it), I add a discussion (in the Document actions portlet) to that document.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi , I currently use KnowledgeTree CE .
When I want to add a note , a link or a comment to one of my document ( without editing it ) , I add a discussion ( in the Document actions portlet ) to that document .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,

I currently use KnowledgeTree CE.
When I want to add a note, a link or a comment to one of my document (without editing it), I add a discussion (in the Document actions portlet) to that document.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104814</id>
	<title>start with the scribd demo</title>
	<author>awilden</author>
	<datestamp>1265882580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was researching the same thing the other day.  I came across a scribd demo where they are associating comments with individual pages and bookmarks with the entire document.  So when you click on a bookmark, the viewer takes you to the relevant page.  Each time you scroll to a new page, it displays the relevant comment for the page.</p><p>Of course their demo has hardcoded bookmarks and comments, but their data structures are clear, the code is readable, and it takes little imagination on how to provide a dynamic PHP back end to make the situation dynamic and persistent.  I was able to graft it onto wordpress+Pods without too much difficulty (though I didn't do a good enough job to release into public).</p><p>I also was able to somewhat hack a similar thing for the google PDF reader, but because their API is still closed source I chose scribd -- even though it's a bigger pain to upload to scribd, at least I know that their API is supported.</p><p>I would still love to have "on document" annotation though, similar to what Acrobat or similar would give you, and I was hoping that since Google was drawing one character at a time that I could pull this off.  But again, since it was all unsupported, I walked away from it and kept the suboptimal scribd version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was researching the same thing the other day .
I came across a scribd demo where they are associating comments with individual pages and bookmarks with the entire document .
So when you click on a bookmark , the viewer takes you to the relevant page .
Each time you scroll to a new page , it displays the relevant comment for the page.Of course their demo has hardcoded bookmarks and comments , but their data structures are clear , the code is readable , and it takes little imagination on how to provide a dynamic PHP back end to make the situation dynamic and persistent .
I was able to graft it onto wordpress + Pods without too much difficulty ( though I did n't do a good enough job to release into public ) .I also was able to somewhat hack a similar thing for the google PDF reader , but because their API is still closed source I chose scribd -- even though it 's a bigger pain to upload to scribd , at least I know that their API is supported.I would still love to have " on document " annotation though , similar to what Acrobat or similar would give you , and I was hoping that since Google was drawing one character at a time that I could pull this off .
But again , since it was all unsupported , I walked away from it and kept the suboptimal scribd version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was researching the same thing the other day.
I came across a scribd demo where they are associating comments with individual pages and bookmarks with the entire document.
So when you click on a bookmark, the viewer takes you to the relevant page.
Each time you scroll to a new page, it displays the relevant comment for the page.Of course their demo has hardcoded bookmarks and comments, but their data structures are clear, the code is readable, and it takes little imagination on how to provide a dynamic PHP back end to make the situation dynamic and persistent.
I was able to graft it onto wordpress+Pods without too much difficulty (though I didn't do a good enough job to release into public).I also was able to somewhat hack a similar thing for the google PDF reader, but because their API is still closed source I chose scribd -- even though it's a bigger pain to upload to scribd, at least I know that their API is supported.I would still love to have "on document" annotation though, similar to what Acrobat or similar would give you, and I was hoping that since Google was drawing one character at a time that I could pull this off.
But again, since it was all unsupported, I walked away from it and kept the suboptimal scribd version.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106718</id>
	<title>Re:An unmet need in the biotech community</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1265889960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ya, right now my research project revolves around ligand research. Obviously there are a lot of great oss solutions that cover the basic document management stuff, and some really useful import/index/search features. Thumbing through a large collection of PDFs would be a nightmare (fortunately even with a standard DMS this isn't necessary).
<br> <br>
I'll be installing and reviewing a lot of software over the next few days, but there seem to be some great suggestions here.
<br> <br>
At the end of the day I'd like to be able to do some of the basic think we've been doing for ages with printed paper, with the advantage of better/more flexible seaching and indexing, review matches and leave notes over everything I find relevant. Something like Google Documents with a footnotes feature, but since a lot of my resources are paid articles uploading just isn't much of an option.
<br> <br>
If you find anything that ends up being particularly useful and think about it, ping me to make sure I took a good look at it myself.
<br> <br>
Alos, user sdw claims to be <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1546834&amp;cid=31104894" title="slashdot.org">developing something</a> [slashdot.org] that may be similar:<blockquote><div><p>This is exactly the area I've been feeling pain for years, and recently have been working to address. My key innovations are around interface / visualization methods, automation, and collaboration. Please email me at sdw@lig.net if you have a wish / idea list, pointers to interesting related ideas / technology, or want to be a beta tester.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Maybe something of interest will come from it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya , right now my research project revolves around ligand research .
Obviously there are a lot of great oss solutions that cover the basic document management stuff , and some really useful import/index/search features .
Thumbing through a large collection of PDFs would be a nightmare ( fortunately even with a standard DMS this is n't necessary ) .
I 'll be installing and reviewing a lot of software over the next few days , but there seem to be some great suggestions here .
At the end of the day I 'd like to be able to do some of the basic think we 've been doing for ages with printed paper , with the advantage of better/more flexible seaching and indexing , review matches and leave notes over everything I find relevant .
Something like Google Documents with a footnotes feature , but since a lot of my resources are paid articles uploading just is n't much of an option .
If you find anything that ends up being particularly useful and think about it , ping me to make sure I took a good look at it myself .
Alos , user sdw claims to be developing something [ slashdot.org ] that may be similar : This is exactly the area I 've been feeling pain for years , and recently have been working to address .
My key innovations are around interface / visualization methods , automation , and collaboration .
Please email me at sdw @ lig.net if you have a wish / idea list , pointers to interesting related ideas / technology , or want to be a beta tester .
Maybe something of interest will come from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya, right now my research project revolves around ligand research.
Obviously there are a lot of great oss solutions that cover the basic document management stuff, and some really useful import/index/search features.
Thumbing through a large collection of PDFs would be a nightmare (fortunately even with a standard DMS this isn't necessary).
I'll be installing and reviewing a lot of software over the next few days, but there seem to be some great suggestions here.
At the end of the day I'd like to be able to do some of the basic think we've been doing for ages with printed paper, with the advantage of better/more flexible seaching and indexing, review matches and leave notes over everything I find relevant.
Something like Google Documents with a footnotes feature, but since a lot of my resources are paid articles uploading just isn't much of an option.
If you find anything that ends up being particularly useful and think about it, ping me to make sure I took a good look at it myself.
Alos, user sdw claims to be developing something [slashdot.org] that may be similar:This is exactly the area I've been feeling pain for years, and recently have been working to address.
My key innovations are around interface / visualization methods, automation, and collaboration.
Please email me at sdw@lig.net if you have a wish / idea list, pointers to interesting related ideas / technology, or want to be a beta tester.
Maybe something of interest will come from it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104622</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106246</id>
	<title>if you use a Mac...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265887920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sente (my favorite. From my point of view the one with most features)<br>http://www.thirdstreetsoftware.com/site/introduction.html</p><p>Bookends (great one - my main compalin is the interface)<br>www.sonnysoftware.com/</p><p>Papers (more limited compared to the others, but with the most appealing interface)</p><p>only Mac...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sente ( my favorite .
From my point of view the one with most features ) http : //www.thirdstreetsoftware.com/site/introduction.htmlBookends ( great one - my main compalin is the interface ) www.sonnysoftware.com/Papers ( more limited compared to the others , but with the most appealing interface ) only Mac.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sente (my favorite.
From my point of view the one with most features)http://www.thirdstreetsoftware.com/site/introduction.htmlBookends (great one - my main compalin is the interface)www.sonnysoftware.com/Papers (more limited compared to the others, but with the most appealing interface)only Mac...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104894</id>
	<title>Working on it, with many new ideas</title>
	<author>sdw</author>
	<datestamp>1265882880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly the area I've been feeling pain for years, and recently have been working to address.  My key innovations are around interface / visualization methods, automation, and collaboration.  Please email me at sdw@lig.net if you have a wish / idea list, pointers to interesting related ideas / technology, or want to be a beta tester.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly the area I 've been feeling pain for years , and recently have been working to address .
My key innovations are around interface / visualization methods , automation , and collaboration .
Please email me at sdw @ lig.net if you have a wish / idea list , pointers to interesting related ideas / technology , or want to be a beta tester .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly the area I've been feeling pain for years, and recently have been working to address.
My key innovations are around interface / visualization methods, automation, and collaboration.
Please email me at sdw@lig.net if you have a wish / idea list, pointers to interesting related ideas / technology, or want to be a beta tester.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105668</id>
	<title>Re:SharePoint or OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265885640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't agree more, i have four years of course notes from university in OneNote - it is searchable, lets you embed documents &amp; has saved my neck revision for exams on many an occasion<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't agree more , i have four years of course notes from university in OneNote - it is searchable , lets you embed documents &amp; has saved my neck revision for exams on many an occasion ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't agree more, i have four years of course notes from university in OneNote - it is searchable, lets you embed documents &amp; has saved my neck revision for exams on many an occasion ;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104510</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31110698</id>
	<title>Agorum</title>
	<author>Nagilum23</author>
	<datestamp>1265969220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From what I've heard <a href="http://www.agorum.com/" title="agorum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.agorum.com/</a> [agorum.com] is what you're looking for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've heard http : //www.agorum.com/ [ agorum.com ] is what you 're looking for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've heard http://www.agorum.com/ [agorum.com] is what you're looking for.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109796</id>
	<title>Yellow Marker</title>
	<author>waslap</author>
	<datestamp>1265913000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If potential document annotation s/w creators reads this: please build in a feature that simulates the ubiquitous yellow marker for PDF documents. Would have made my life much easier studying for the SCJP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If potential document annotation s/w creators reads this : please build in a feature that simulates the ubiquitous yellow marker for PDF documents .
Would have made my life much easier studying for the SCJP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If potential document annotation s/w creators reads this: please build in a feature that simulates the ubiquitous yellow marker for PDF documents.
Would have made my life much easier studying for the SCJP.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109524</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy concerns aside...</title>
	<author>hot soldering iron</author>
	<datestamp>1265909940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You left out the version control system, access controls, expandability, and design for collaboration. It already embeds documents in the Waves, including video and audio (lab recordings). The only problem is getting decent documentation on setting up your own server. It's still so new, and under heavy development, that the documentation is lagging. Big Time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You left out the version control system , access controls , expandability , and design for collaboration .
It already embeds documents in the Waves , including video and audio ( lab recordings ) .
The only problem is getting decent documentation on setting up your own server .
It 's still so new , and under heavy development , that the documentation is lagging .
Big Time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You left out the version control system, access controls, expandability, and design for collaboration.
It already embeds documents in the Waves, including video and audio (lab recordings).
The only problem is getting decent documentation on setting up your own server.
It's still so new, and under heavy development, that the documentation is lagging.
Big Time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104200</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104674</id>
	<title>Google Wave</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265881980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if Google Wave would be worth looking at for this...?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if Google Wave would be worth looking at for this... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if Google Wave would be worth looking at for this...?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104416</id>
	<title>Zotero</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1265880960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zotero is brilliant. I could go on about how I use it every day at work and it makes everything a hell of a lot easier, but instead, just check it out.<br>Versioning of documents it doesn't do - but that's what Mercurial is for I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zotero is brilliant .
I could go on about how I use it every day at work and it makes everything a hell of a lot easier , but instead , just check it out.Versioning of documents it does n't do - but that 's what Mercurial is for I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zotero is brilliant.
I could go on about how I use it every day at work and it makes everything a hell of a lot easier, but instead, just check it out.Versioning of documents it doesn't do - but that's what Mercurial is for I guess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105510</id>
	<title>Bibdesk and Mendeley</title>
	<author>coaxial</author>
	<datestamp>1265885100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Bibdesk on the mac, and I like it.  Specifically, I like that it organizes all my PDFs into folders and stores all the data in a Bibtex file.  The only problem I have with it, is that it stores the paths and macosx aliases and so instead of getting a nice pathname, you get 1500+ characters long hash.  I'd really like a way to convert those back to paths so I could migrate in the future if I need to.</p><p>I used Mendeley for about 10 minutes, but I was impressed.  It looked really good.  It's cross platform, and web based.  The only reason why I'm not using it is because I already started with Bibdesk, and it just wasn't quite worth converting over.  (Again the pathname issues.), but I'd recommend it.</p><p>Anything that doesn't support BibTeX is simply a non-starter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Bibdesk on the mac , and I like it .
Specifically , I like that it organizes all my PDFs into folders and stores all the data in a Bibtex file .
The only problem I have with it , is that it stores the paths and macosx aliases and so instead of getting a nice pathname , you get 1500 + characters long hash .
I 'd really like a way to convert those back to paths so I could migrate in the future if I need to.I used Mendeley for about 10 minutes , but I was impressed .
It looked really good .
It 's cross platform , and web based .
The only reason why I 'm not using it is because I already started with Bibdesk , and it just was n't quite worth converting over .
( Again the pathname issues .
) , but I 'd recommend it.Anything that does n't support BibTeX is simply a non-starter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Bibdesk on the mac, and I like it.
Specifically, I like that it organizes all my PDFs into folders and stores all the data in a Bibtex file.
The only problem I have with it, is that it stores the paths and macosx aliases and so instead of getting a nice pathname, you get 1500+ characters long hash.
I'd really like a way to convert those back to paths so I could migrate in the future if I need to.I used Mendeley for about 10 minutes, but I was impressed.
It looked really good.
It's cross platform, and web based.
The only reason why I'm not using it is because I already started with Bibdesk, and it just wasn't quite worth converting over.
(Again the pathname issues.
), but I'd recommend it.Anything that doesn't support BibTeX is simply a non-starter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104376</id>
	<title>theres plenty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265880780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my favorite: http://www.citavi.com/en/index.html</p><p>or zotero, or jabref. there's plenty of academic reference/document manager. and even more comparisons of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my favorite : http : //www.citavi.com/en/index.htmlor zotero , or jabref .
there 's plenty of academic reference/document manager .
and even more comparisons of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my favorite: http://www.citavi.com/en/index.htmlor zotero, or jabref.
there's plenty of academic reference/document manager.
and even more comparisons of them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31116174</id>
	<title>Re:Privacy concerns aside...</title>
	<author>Covalent</author>
	<datestamp>1266002580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use Google Docs for this rather successfully.  It is also real time, centralized, browser based, and has excellent revision history tools.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Google Docs for this rather successfully .
It is also real time , centralized , browser based , and has excellent revision history tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Google Docs for this rather successfully.
It is also real time, centralized, browser based, and has excellent revision history tools.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104200</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105638</id>
	<title>Papers, Skim and DEVONthink Pro on OS X</title>
	<author>iliketrash</author>
	<datestamp>1265885520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On OS X, check out Papers (already mentioned in response to OP), Skim (free) for awesomely marking up and notating PDFs, and DEVONthink Pro (optionally, the DEVONthink Pro Office version for OCR and added functionality). I don't think these will provide you with all the functionality you mentioned (version control, however. But Skim and Papers play nicely together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On OS X , check out Papers ( already mentioned in response to OP ) , Skim ( free ) for awesomely marking up and notating PDFs , and DEVONthink Pro ( optionally , the DEVONthink Pro Office version for OCR and added functionality ) .
I do n't think these will provide you with all the functionality you mentioned ( version control , however .
But Skim and Papers play nicely together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On OS X, check out Papers (already mentioned in response to OP), Skim (free) for awesomely marking up and notating PDFs, and DEVONthink Pro (optionally, the DEVONthink Pro Office version for OCR and added functionality).
I don't think these will provide you with all the functionality you mentioned (version control, however.
But Skim and Papers play nicely together.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31109416</id>
	<title>EMC ApplicationXTender</title>
	<author>Krannert IT</author>
	<datestamp>1265908500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EMC has a great product but it may be overkill. ApplicationXTender, in its most basic form, can do everything you are looking for. It is not cheap but it can handle any document type (although the built in viewer works only for PDF, TIFF, and MS Office documents to my knowledge). ApplicationXTender can also intgrate with any ODMA compatible application to allow new documents to be indexed and stored within the document management system.  It can integrate with many other applications using an Integration module (for example you could index information from an invoice and send it directly into an accounting package as a new accounts payable item to be processed which is really powerfull if combined with a good scanning package such as Kofax which can automatically recognize a document and OCR the index fields it set up for, calculate its level of confidence, and automatically release the document or prompt a user to verify what it has read based on the confidence level). The client can run as a desktop application or as a web appliction.</p><p>Annotations can be added without checking a document out. Actually editing an editble document requires checking it out. Annotations can be as simple as highlighting something or as detailed as drawings and text. With press of a button annotation appear or dissapear.</p><p>The database back end can be MS SQL (express or full blown), MySQL, Oracle, as well as others. Some add-ons require full blown MS SQL but the basic system can run on a quite a large number of platforms. The software is modular so each add-on service can be put on any supported server. The license server (the most important part of the system since nothing works without it) seems to only run on Windows 2003 Server at this point but 2008 support is supposed to be out in a couple of months. I don't think they ever plan to release it for Linux.</p><p>The Web Server (if desired) requires IIS. EMC supports SUSE as a web client so it should work ony any Linux as long as you have Firefox (I did a quick web search and did find some Linux users having trouble trying to access something using Opera and Firefox but the error indicated an old version of ApplicationXTender).</p><p>ApplicationXTender is HIPAA complient and has a full audit trail so any changes to anything are logged. I don't let my users change index fields and since only TIFF documents are currently being stored only annotations can be added by a user which does not impact the original document I really have no use for the logs but I can definately see where it could be usefull. Office documents are strored as revisions so you can always revert to an earlier version and know who did what. Additional add-ons can allow full-text indexing (requires SQL Server) and document workflow.</p><p>I only use the basic system and use another software package (Kofax) to scan and automatically index documents which is very nice. Kofax can check what it reads against a user defined list which improves accuracy for certain field (such as a clients name). It can also use a database query to fill in information to be indexed which is great for accounting records (look up a vendor ID and fill in the full name for example). I also use another package (PlanetPress) to capture print streams index the document and send them directly into the system. Currently I am only using the system for accounting records and some rather static historical files. I plan to add the workflow module but it is expensive and I have to develop my strategy for capturing mail as it comes into our office (we get tons of it for a company of our size, it takes one person about 2-3 hours to open and sort on an average day, some days it can take all day when we get certain types of monthly bills. The number of different documents that come in also make this difficult to automate. A large portion of our business is record keeping and book keeping for our clients and the payoff on the system is very evident. What used to take hours of manual labor to find and put together can now be done in a matter of seconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EMC has a great product but it may be overkill .
ApplicationXTender , in its most basic form , can do everything you are looking for .
It is not cheap but it can handle any document type ( although the built in viewer works only for PDF , TIFF , and MS Office documents to my knowledge ) .
ApplicationXTender can also intgrate with any ODMA compatible application to allow new documents to be indexed and stored within the document management system .
It can integrate with many other applications using an Integration module ( for example you could index information from an invoice and send it directly into an accounting package as a new accounts payable item to be processed which is really powerfull if combined with a good scanning package such as Kofax which can automatically recognize a document and OCR the index fields it set up for , calculate its level of confidence , and automatically release the document or prompt a user to verify what it has read based on the confidence level ) .
The client can run as a desktop application or as a web appliction.Annotations can be added without checking a document out .
Actually editing an editble document requires checking it out .
Annotations can be as simple as highlighting something or as detailed as drawings and text .
With press of a button annotation appear or dissapear.The database back end can be MS SQL ( express or full blown ) , MySQL , Oracle , as well as others .
Some add-ons require full blown MS SQL but the basic system can run on a quite a large number of platforms .
The software is modular so each add-on service can be put on any supported server .
The license server ( the most important part of the system since nothing works without it ) seems to only run on Windows 2003 Server at this point but 2008 support is supposed to be out in a couple of months .
I do n't think they ever plan to release it for Linux.The Web Server ( if desired ) requires IIS .
EMC supports SUSE as a web client so it should work ony any Linux as long as you have Firefox ( I did a quick web search and did find some Linux users having trouble trying to access something using Opera and Firefox but the error indicated an old version of ApplicationXTender ) .ApplicationXTender is HIPAA complient and has a full audit trail so any changes to anything are logged .
I do n't let my users change index fields and since only TIFF documents are currently being stored only annotations can be added by a user which does not impact the original document I really have no use for the logs but I can definately see where it could be usefull .
Office documents are strored as revisions so you can always revert to an earlier version and know who did what .
Additional add-ons can allow full-text indexing ( requires SQL Server ) and document workflow.I only use the basic system and use another software package ( Kofax ) to scan and automatically index documents which is very nice .
Kofax can check what it reads against a user defined list which improves accuracy for certain field ( such as a clients name ) .
It can also use a database query to fill in information to be indexed which is great for accounting records ( look up a vendor ID and fill in the full name for example ) .
I also use another package ( PlanetPress ) to capture print streams index the document and send them directly into the system .
Currently I am only using the system for accounting records and some rather static historical files .
I plan to add the workflow module but it is expensive and I have to develop my strategy for capturing mail as it comes into our office ( we get tons of it for a company of our size , it takes one person about 2-3 hours to open and sort on an average day , some days it can take all day when we get certain types of monthly bills .
The number of different documents that come in also make this difficult to automate .
A large portion of our business is record keeping and book keeping for our clients and the payoff on the system is very evident .
What used to take hours of manual labor to find and put together can now be done in a matter of seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EMC has a great product but it may be overkill.
ApplicationXTender, in its most basic form, can do everything you are looking for.
It is not cheap but it can handle any document type (although the built in viewer works only for PDF, TIFF, and MS Office documents to my knowledge).
ApplicationXTender can also intgrate with any ODMA compatible application to allow new documents to be indexed and stored within the document management system.
It can integrate with many other applications using an Integration module (for example you could index information from an invoice and send it directly into an accounting package as a new accounts payable item to be processed which is really powerfull if combined with a good scanning package such as Kofax which can automatically recognize a document and OCR the index fields it set up for, calculate its level of confidence, and automatically release the document or prompt a user to verify what it has read based on the confidence level).
The client can run as a desktop application or as a web appliction.Annotations can be added without checking a document out.
Actually editing an editble document requires checking it out.
Annotations can be as simple as highlighting something or as detailed as drawings and text.
With press of a button annotation appear or dissapear.The database back end can be MS SQL (express or full blown), MySQL, Oracle, as well as others.
Some add-ons require full blown MS SQL but the basic system can run on a quite a large number of platforms.
The software is modular so each add-on service can be put on any supported server.
The license server (the most important part of the system since nothing works without it) seems to only run on Windows 2003 Server at this point but 2008 support is supposed to be out in a couple of months.
I don't think they ever plan to release it for Linux.The Web Server (if desired) requires IIS.
EMC supports SUSE as a web client so it should work ony any Linux as long as you have Firefox (I did a quick web search and did find some Linux users having trouble trying to access something using Opera and Firefox but the error indicated an old version of ApplicationXTender).ApplicationXTender is HIPAA complient and has a full audit trail so any changes to anything are logged.
I don't let my users change index fields and since only TIFF documents are currently being stored only annotations can be added by a user which does not impact the original document I really have no use for the logs but I can definately see where it could be usefull.
Office documents are strored as revisions so you can always revert to an earlier version and know who did what.
Additional add-ons can allow full-text indexing (requires SQL Server) and document workflow.I only use the basic system and use another software package (Kofax) to scan and automatically index documents which is very nice.
Kofax can check what it reads against a user defined list which improves accuracy for certain field (such as a clients name).
It can also use a database query to fill in information to be indexed which is great for accounting records (look up a vendor ID and fill in the full name for example).
I also use another package (PlanetPress) to capture print streams index the document and send them directly into the system.
Currently I am only using the system for accounting records and some rather static historical files.
I plan to add the workflow module but it is expensive and I have to develop my strategy for capturing mail as it comes into our office (we get tons of it for a company of our size, it takes one person about 2-3 hours to open and sort on an average day, some days it can take all day when we get certain types of monthly bills.
The number of different documents that come in also make this difficult to automate.
A large portion of our business is record keeping and book keeping for our clients and the payoff on the system is very evident.
What used to take hours of manual labor to find and put together can now be done in a matter of seconds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104448</id>
	<title>Mendeley</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265881140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.mendeley.com/</p><p>Desktop client that syncs with online account. Keeps track of all kinds of documents. I use it for research (at university). For me, it works great for keeping track of journal articles, you can add them by title, DOI, arXiv, and it will look up all the details automatically. Entries can be linked to files, PDFs, etc. You can also just add PDFs and it will usually pull out the metadata (can also monitor folders for new documents to track).</p><p>And of course, it syncs, so it's with you everywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.mendeley.com/Desktop client that syncs with online account .
Keeps track of all kinds of documents .
I use it for research ( at university ) .
For me , it works great for keeping track of journal articles , you can add them by title , DOI , arXiv , and it will look up all the details automatically .
Entries can be linked to files , PDFs , etc .
You can also just add PDFs and it will usually pull out the metadata ( can also monitor folders for new documents to track ) .And of course , it syncs , so it 's with you everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.mendeley.com/Desktop client that syncs with online account.
Keeps track of all kinds of documents.
I use it for research (at university).
For me, it works great for keeping track of journal articles, you can add them by title, DOI, arXiv, and it will look up all the details automatically.
Entries can be linked to files, PDFs, etc.
You can also just add PDFs and it will usually pull out the metadata (can also monitor folders for new documents to track).And of course, it syncs, so it's with you everywhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104154</id>
	<title>WSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265879820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..please be nice...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..please be nice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..please be nice...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105006</id>
	<title>firefox scrapbook extension</title>
	<author>operator\_error</author>
	<datestamp>1265883300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone else mentioned Zotero, which looks really good and I'm meaning to try it, once I've cleared out over due projects.</p><p>What I have used for quite some time, with great results, is the Firefox extension called Scrapbook. Just select the HTML you want to keep from a web page, and you're nearly done. <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/427" title="mozilla.org">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/427</a> [mozilla.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone else mentioned Zotero , which looks really good and I 'm meaning to try it , once I 've cleared out over due projects.What I have used for quite some time , with great results , is the Firefox extension called Scrapbook .
Just select the HTML you want to keep from a web page , and you 're nearly done .
https : //addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/427 [ mozilla.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone else mentioned Zotero, which looks really good and I'm meaning to try it, once I've cleared out over due projects.What I have used for quite some time, with great results, is the Firefox extension called Scrapbook.
Just select the HTML you want to keep from a web page, and you're nearly done.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/427 [mozilla.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105866</id>
	<title>Re:Zotero</title>
	<author>gclef</author>
	<datestamp>1265886300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there something like Zotero that *isn't* a cloud service?  I'm really getting tired of the whole "give us all your data" services floating around.  I'd love to use something like Zotero, if and only if I can control the server that the data lives on.</p><p>The market seems hypnotized by the "cloud" BS, which makes me sad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there something like Zotero that * is n't * a cloud service ?
I 'm really getting tired of the whole " give us all your data " services floating around .
I 'd love to use something like Zotero , if and only if I can control the server that the data lives on.The market seems hypnotized by the " cloud " BS , which makes me sad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there something like Zotero that *isn't* a cloud service?
I'm really getting tired of the whole "give us all your data" services floating around.
I'd love to use something like Zotero, if and only if I can control the server that the data lives on.The market seems hypnotized by the "cloud" BS, which makes me sad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104420</id>
	<title>What are the annotations used for?</title>
	<author>JT The Geek</author>
	<datestamp>1265881020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends largely on what your annotating and why.  You might want to check out mendeley <a href="http://www.mendeley.com/" title="mendeley.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mendeley.com/</a> [mendeley.com] which has been pretty great for just managing documents.    If your more interesting in annotating and learning a lot about what and why your annotating you might want to look into the fields of mixed methods research such as EthnoNotes.com <a href="http://www.ethnonotes.com./" title="www.ethnonotes.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ethnonotes.com./</a> [www.ethnonotes.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends largely on what your annotating and why .
You might want to check out mendeley http : //www.mendeley.com/ [ mendeley.com ] which has been pretty great for just managing documents .
If your more interesting in annotating and learning a lot about what and why your annotating you might want to look into the fields of mixed methods research such as EthnoNotes.com http : //www.ethnonotes.com./ [ www.ethnonotes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends largely on what your annotating and why.
You might want to check out mendeley http://www.mendeley.com/ [mendeley.com] which has been pretty great for just managing documents.
If your more interesting in annotating and learning a lot about what and why your annotating you might want to look into the fields of mixed methods research such as EthnoNotes.com http://www.ethnonotes.com./ [www.ethnonotes.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31106322</id>
	<title>Abiword and abicollab.net</title>
	<author>technosaurus</author>
	<datestamp>1265888220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Abiword can sufficiently handle most all of the documents you want to manage (pdf support is better but could still use improvement) and you can mark them up and collaborate via abicollab.net.  The best part about abiword is that is portable to a large number of platforms including handheld devices (maemo), portableapps.com (for win32 on usb), mac and most *-nix as a package</p><p><a href="http://abicollab.net/" title="abicollab.net" rel="nofollow">http://abicollab.net/</a> [abicollab.net]</p><p><a href="http://abisource.com/" title="abisource.com" rel="nofollow">http://abisource.com/</a> [abisource.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Abiword can sufficiently handle most all of the documents you want to manage ( pdf support is better but could still use improvement ) and you can mark them up and collaborate via abicollab.net .
The best part about abiword is that is portable to a large number of platforms including handheld devices ( maemo ) , portableapps.com ( for win32 on usb ) , mac and most * -nix as a packagehttp : //abicollab.net/ [ abicollab.net ] http : //abisource.com/ [ abisource.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Abiword can sufficiently handle most all of the documents you want to manage (pdf support is better but could still use improvement) and you can mark them up and collaborate via abicollab.net.
The best part about abiword is that is portable to a large number of platforms including handheld devices (maemo), portableapps.com (for win32 on usb), mac and most *-nix as a packagehttp://abicollab.net/ [abicollab.net]http://abisource.com/ [abisource.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105832</id>
	<title>Jabref</title>
	<author>spasm</author>
	<datestamp>1265886120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jabref? <a href="http://jabref.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://jabref.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]  It's open source &amp; cross platform (java).  I use it to manage about 1500 articles and related academic texts in a mix of pdf, odt, and doc.  You can add notes about files.  It can operate as a standalone or can be connected to a shared mysql database (to allow sharing of the files, their cites, and any notes you add).  The one thing it can't do directly is annotate the original documents, but you could presumably annotate them using something else before replacing them in the database.  Finally, it allows saving of metadata to pdfs, which I think can be used to save your notes about the file to the pdf metadata.  Not so useful for non-pdf documents though.  Finally, it pipes direct to latex and has a good plugin for openoffice, so if you use openoffice or latex you're in business..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jabref ?
http : //jabref.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ] It 's open source &amp; cross platform ( java ) .
I use it to manage about 1500 articles and related academic texts in a mix of pdf , odt , and doc .
You can add notes about files .
It can operate as a standalone or can be connected to a shared mysql database ( to allow sharing of the files , their cites , and any notes you add ) .
The one thing it ca n't do directly is annotate the original documents , but you could presumably annotate them using something else before replacing them in the database .
Finally , it allows saving of metadata to pdfs , which I think can be used to save your notes about the file to the pdf metadata .
Not so useful for non-pdf documents though .
Finally , it pipes direct to latex and has a good plugin for openoffice , so if you use openoffice or latex you 're in business. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jabref?
http://jabref.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]  It's open source &amp; cross platform (java).
I use it to manage about 1500 articles and related academic texts in a mix of pdf, odt, and doc.
You can add notes about files.
It can operate as a standalone or can be connected to a shared mysql database (to allow sharing of the files, their cites, and any notes you add).
The one thing it can't do directly is annotate the original documents, but you could presumably annotate them using something else before replacing them in the database.
Finally, it allows saving of metadata to pdfs, which I think can be used to save your notes about the file to the pdf metadata.
Not so useful for non-pdf documents though.
Finally, it pipes direct to latex and has a good plugin for openoffice, so if you use openoffice or latex you're in business..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104374</id>
	<title>Consider Wikindx3</title>
	<author>pongo000</author>
	<datestamp>1265880780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://wikindx.sourceforge.net/index2.html" title="sourceforge.net">Wikindx3</a> [sourceforge.net] is a full-fledged bibliographic database that can manage *any* type of document, and permits annotations.  As an added bonus, you can export the biblio info in any number of formats (including my favorite,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.bib for LaTeX).</p><p>I've had good success with <a href="http://www.opendocman.com/" title="opendocman.com">OpenDocMan</a> [opendocman.com] as well, but I'm not sure if that application permits annotation (at least I've never used that feature set).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikindx3 [ sourceforge.net ] is a full-fledged bibliographic database that can manage * any * type of document , and permits annotations .
As an added bonus , you can export the biblio info in any number of formats ( including my favorite , .bib for LaTeX ) .I 've had good success with OpenDocMan [ opendocman.com ] as well , but I 'm not sure if that application permits annotation ( at least I 've never used that feature set ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikindx3 [sourceforge.net] is a full-fledged bibliographic database that can manage *any* type of document, and permits annotations.
As an added bonus, you can export the biblio info in any number of formats (including my favorite, .bib for LaTeX).I've had good success with OpenDocMan [opendocman.com] as well, but I'm not sure if that application permits annotation (at least I've never used that feature set).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31110250</id>
	<title>Re:SharePoint or OneNote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1266005760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm somewhat confused as to how the full SharePoint Server (not Windows SharePoint Services) is anywhere near as cost-effective as implementing KnowledgeTree Community Edition on Linux. Even when implementing KnowledgeTree's commercial offering on Linux (take a look at their pricing here http://www.knowledgetree.com/store) it is way cheaper than Microsoft SharePoint Server + Windows 2008 + SQL Server + Exchange (mind boggles when starting to work out the licensing as well - CALs for what? Server licenses for what? my head hurts).</p><p>And it looks like KnowledgeTree comes nicely packaged in as an RPM or DEB for those using Red Hat and Ubuntu operating systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm somewhat confused as to how the full SharePoint Server ( not Windows SharePoint Services ) is anywhere near as cost-effective as implementing KnowledgeTree Community Edition on Linux .
Even when implementing KnowledgeTree 's commercial offering on Linux ( take a look at their pricing here http : //www.knowledgetree.com/store ) it is way cheaper than Microsoft SharePoint Server + Windows 2008 + SQL Server + Exchange ( mind boggles when starting to work out the licensing as well - CALs for what ?
Server licenses for what ?
my head hurts ) .And it looks like KnowledgeTree comes nicely packaged in as an RPM or DEB for those using Red Hat and Ubuntu operating systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm somewhat confused as to how the full SharePoint Server (not Windows SharePoint Services) is anywhere near as cost-effective as implementing KnowledgeTree Community Edition on Linux.
Even when implementing KnowledgeTree's commercial offering on Linux (take a look at their pricing here http://www.knowledgetree.com/store) it is way cheaper than Microsoft SharePoint Server + Windows 2008 + SQL Server + Exchange (mind boggles when starting to work out the licensing as well - CALs for what?
Server licenses for what?
my head hurts).And it looks like KnowledgeTree comes nicely packaged in as an RPM or DEB for those using Red Hat and Ubuntu operating systems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31104228</id>
	<title>It's not a DMS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265880120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been searching for something similar for a while but can't really find anything to fit the bill.</p><p>What I'm looking for is a system that will allow you to highlight a particular quote in a PDF and attach a comment to it. When I finish my review I would like to have all my comments organized in a tabular format. The table should have the quote, page number (ideally also chapter and paragraph but this is asking too much) and my comment.</p><p>This way I can attach my comment sheet to the top of the document and inspect it quickly without even having to open the actual document. This review sheets are also "portable" because they can be shared and anyone with no infrastructure could still identify the comment and quote.<br>Adobe Acrobat does only half of this, you can highlight, comment but you can not control the format of export (CSV or excel would be cool)</p><p>Does anyone now a system that does this?</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've been searching for something similar for a while but ca n't really find anything to fit the bill.What I 'm looking for is a system that will allow you to highlight a particular quote in a PDF and attach a comment to it .
When I finish my review I would like to have all my comments organized in a tabular format .
The table should have the quote , page number ( ideally also chapter and paragraph but this is asking too much ) and my comment.This way I can attach my comment sheet to the top of the document and inspect it quickly without even having to open the actual document .
This review sheets are also " portable " because they can be shared and anyone with no infrastructure could still identify the comment and quote.Adobe Acrobat does only half of this , you can highlight , comment but you can not control the format of export ( CSV or excel would be cool ) Does anyone now a system that does this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been searching for something similar for a while but can't really find anything to fit the bill.What I'm looking for is a system that will allow you to highlight a particular quote in a PDF and attach a comment to it.
When I finish my review I would like to have all my comments organized in a tabular format.
The table should have the quote, page number (ideally also chapter and paragraph but this is asking too much) and my comment.This way I can attach my comment sheet to the top of the document and inspect it quickly without even having to open the actual document.
This review sheets are also "portable" because they can be shared and anyone with no infrastructure could still identify the comment and quote.Adobe Acrobat does only half of this, you can highlight, comment but you can not control the format of export (CSV or excel would be cool)Does anyone now a system that does this?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_11_1954225.31105248</id>
	<title>Re:Zotero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265884200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zotero is superb, and 2.0 has a sync feature too. Let's you annotate and highlight, attach files to entries etc and creates really good references and bibliographies too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zotero is superb , and 2.0 has a sync feature too .
Let 's you annotate and highlight , attach files to entries etc and creates really good references and bibliographies too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zotero is superb, and 2.0 has a sync feature too.
Let's you annotate and highlight, attach files to entries etc and creates really good references and bibliographies too.</sentencetext>
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