<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_10_1833230</id>
	<title>Italian Court Rules ISPs Must Block Access To Pirate Bay</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265827320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>introt writes <i>"After first being blocked in 2008, an Italian court has once again ruled that ISPs in the nation <a href="http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/21579.cfm">must block access to the infamous torrent tracker The Pirate Bay</a>, leaving millions of users without access to one of the most popular sites on the planet. In the original case, after an appeal by the Pirate Bay, the Court of Bergamo ruled that foreign websites cannot be blocked over alleged copyright infringement. Fast forward until today and the Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs can indeed be forced to block torrent sites, even if they are foreign-based."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>introt writes " After first being blocked in 2008 , an Italian court has once again ruled that ISPs in the nation must block access to the infamous torrent tracker The Pirate Bay , leaving millions of users without access to one of the most popular sites on the planet .
In the original case , after an appeal by the Pirate Bay , the Court of Bergamo ruled that foreign websites can not be blocked over alleged copyright infringement .
Fast forward until today and the Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs can indeed be forced to block torrent sites , even if they are foreign-based .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>introt writes "After first being blocked in 2008, an Italian court has once again ruled that ISPs in the nation must block access to the infamous torrent tracker The Pirate Bay, leaving millions of users without access to one of the most popular sites on the planet.
In the original case, after an appeal by the Pirate Bay, the Court of Bergamo ruled that foreign websites cannot be blocked over alleged copyright infringement.
Fast forward until today and the Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs can indeed be forced to block torrent sites, even if they are foreign-based.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092912</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>steve\_bryan</author>
	<datestamp>1265029200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone with half a brain knows the word you misspelt is supposed to be <i>LOSING</i>. <i>LOSE</i> and <i>LOOSE</i>: they are two different words that are not interchangeable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone with half a brain knows the word you misspelt is supposed to be LOSING .
LOSE and LOOSE : they are two different words that are not interchangeable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone with half a brain knows the word you misspelt is supposed to be LOSING.
LOSE and LOOSE: they are two different words that are not interchangeable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31091428</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089568</id>
	<title>Re:I hate to tell you guys...</title>
	<author>eparker05</author>
	<datestamp>1265056020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To become a judge, a lawyer, or a politician, you need charisma and knowledge of the legal system. Knowledge of the internet is not a prerequisite. Hence.... this futile ruling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To become a judge , a lawyer , or a politician , you need charisma and knowledge of the legal system .
Knowledge of the internet is not a prerequisite .
Hence.... this futile ruling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To become a judge, a lawyer, or a politician, you need charisma and knowledge of the legal system.
Knowledge of the internet is not a prerequisite.
Hence.... this futile ruling.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089286</id>
	<title>What about Google?</title>
	<author>killmenow</author>
	<datestamp>1265054760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are they planning to block Google too? You can find a crap load of torrents through simple google searches. Not to mention (as the article does) all the other specific<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent search sites. Or proxies. Or tor. Or rapidshit. Or FTP. Or Usenet. Or other P2P networks/apps. (AD INFINITUM)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they planning to block Google too ?
You can find a crap load of torrents through simple google searches .
Not to mention ( as the article does ) all the other specific .torrent search sites .
Or proxies .
Or tor .
Or rapidshit .
Or FTP .
Or Usenet .
Or other P2P networks/apps .
( AD INFINITUM )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they planning to block Google too?
You can find a crap load of torrents through simple google searches.
Not to mention (as the article does) all the other specific .torrent search sites.
Or proxies.
Or tor.
Or rapidshit.
Or FTP.
Or Usenet.
Or other P2P networks/apps.
(AD INFINITUM)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31091428</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1265021640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was about to say, Tor makes this all useless anyways, as well, makes anyone that has half a brain<br>to realize they are fighting a loosing battle spending all the tax payers money doing it in the process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was about to say , Tor makes this all useless anyways , as well , makes anyone that has half a brainto realize they are fighting a loosing battle spending all the tax payers money doing it in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was about to say, Tor makes this all useless anyways, as well, makes anyone that has half a brainto realize they are fighting a loosing battle spending all the tax payers money doing it in the process.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089708</id>
	<title>King Canute had something to say about this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They might as well stand in the surf and command the tide to stop.</p><p>"Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings. For there is none worthy of the name but God, whom heaven, earth and sea obey".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They might as well stand in the surf and command the tide to stop .
" Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings .
For there is none worthy of the name but God , whom heaven , earth and sea obey " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They might as well stand in the surf and command the tide to stop.
"Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings.
For there is none worthy of the name but God, whom heaven, earth and sea obey".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092982</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265029500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If TPB is one of the most popular sites on the planet, I don't see how it's a "bullshit plea" - it's perfectly correct, and it's relevant to point out the wide scope that such action will take.</p><p>(If it isn't the one of the most popular planet, then sure - but then it's a case of simply being factually wrong, and the issue of legality is irrelevant to the point.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If TPB is one of the most popular sites on the planet , I do n't see how it 's a " bullshit plea " - it 's perfectly correct , and it 's relevant to point out the wide scope that such action will take .
( If it is n't the one of the most popular planet , then sure - but then it 's a case of simply being factually wrong , and the issue of legality is irrelevant to the point .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If TPB is one of the most popular sites on the planet, I don't see how it's a "bullshit plea" - it's perfectly correct, and it's relevant to point out the wide scope that such action will take.
(If it isn't the one of the most popular planet, then sure - but then it's a case of simply being factually wrong, and the issue of legality is irrelevant to the point.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089864</id>
	<title>Re:Tech fail</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1265057460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are casual users really using TPB and torrents in general? After all, keep in mind, that'd require them to download a tiny file, then download a torrenting program, and set that up properly (checking ports and such). Then actually open the torrent in the program. The casual user you're talking about would probably think that tiny thing they downloaded was the movie/song/program they were looking for, and wondered why it didn't work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are casual users really using TPB and torrents in general ?
After all , keep in mind , that 'd require them to download a tiny file , then download a torrenting program , and set that up properly ( checking ports and such ) .
Then actually open the torrent in the program .
The casual user you 're talking about would probably think that tiny thing they downloaded was the movie/song/program they were looking for , and wondered why it did n't work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are casual users really using TPB and torrents in general?
After all, keep in mind, that'd require them to download a tiny file, then download a torrenting program, and set that up properly (checking ports and such).
Then actually open the torrent in the program.
The casual user you're talking about would probably think that tiny thing they downloaded was the movie/song/program they were looking for, and wondered why it didn't work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089008</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090274</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You forgot the next step--ISP's will start actively blocking proxies and proxy list sites. It's only a matter of time before it happens in the U.S. too. And geeks who say that such blocks are trivial to get around have never had to deal with well-maintained blockers like Websense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot the next step--ISP 's will start actively blocking proxies and proxy list sites .
It 's only a matter of time before it happens in the U.S. too. And geeks who say that such blocks are trivial to get around have never had to deal with well-maintained blockers like Websense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot the next step--ISP's will start actively blocking proxies and proxy list sites.
It's only a matter of time before it happens in the U.S. too. And geeks who say that such blocks are trivial to get around have never had to deal with well-maintained blockers like Websense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31097032</id>
	<title>And</title>
	<author>mahadiga</author>
	<datestamp>1265879520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you." --Oscar Wilde</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you want to tell people the truth , make them laugh , otherwise they 'll kill you .
" --Oscar Wilde</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
" --Oscar Wilde</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089912</id>
	<title>Obligatory, but relevant</title>
	<author>Kirin Fenrir</author>
	<datestamp>1265057700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>First they came for the torrents, and I did not speak, for I did not use torrents...</htmltext>
<tokenext>First they came for the torrents , and I did not speak , for I did not use torrents.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First they came for the torrents, and I did not speak, for I did not use torrents...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089688</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1265056620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But, let's not act like it's a travesty that a court didn't side with the downloaders.</p></div></blockquote><p>What is the Law? An arbitrary sequence of rules which <b>must</b> be followed come what may? A code which it is always and everywhere immoral to to disobey, even in spirit?  An elaborate ritual which those skilled in the art can obtain whatever outcome they please?</p><p>The function of the court system is to interpret the law in such a way that <i>justice</i> is served. When billions across the world withdraw their moral support fro copyrighted works and see nothing wrong with filesharing, are they wrong simply because the law says they are wrong? Or is it rather the law that is wrong, for unjustly imposing outdated or undemocratic views upon the population?</p><p>The law and the legal system gets too much of a free pass by too many people. It is as fallible and flawed a system as any other designed by human beings and its decisions are not always morally right, or even ethically so. You'll understand the fantasy when you finally have your day in court.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But , let 's not act like it 's a travesty that a court did n't side with the downloaders.What is the Law ?
An arbitrary sequence of rules which must be followed come what may ?
A code which it is always and everywhere immoral to to disobey , even in spirit ?
An elaborate ritual which those skilled in the art can obtain whatever outcome they please ? The function of the court system is to interpret the law in such a way that justice is served .
When billions across the world withdraw their moral support fro copyrighted works and see nothing wrong with filesharing , are they wrong simply because the law says they are wrong ?
Or is it rather the law that is wrong , for unjustly imposing outdated or undemocratic views upon the population ? The law and the legal system gets too much of a free pass by too many people .
It is as fallible and flawed a system as any other designed by human beings and its decisions are not always morally right , or even ethically so .
You 'll understand the fantasy when you finally have your day in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, let's not act like it's a travesty that a court didn't side with the downloaders.What is the Law?
An arbitrary sequence of rules which must be followed come what may?
A code which it is always and everywhere immoral to to disobey, even in spirit?
An elaborate ritual which those skilled in the art can obtain whatever outcome they please?The function of the court system is to interpret the law in such a way that justice is served.
When billions across the world withdraw their moral support fro copyrighted works and see nothing wrong with filesharing, are they wrong simply because the law says they are wrong?
Or is it rather the law that is wrong, for unjustly imposing outdated or undemocratic views upon the population?The law and the legal system gets too much of a free pass by too many people.
It is as fallible and flawed a system as any other designed by human beings and its decisions are not always morally right, or even ethically so.
You'll understand the fantasy when you finally have your day in court.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089634</id>
	<title>Mama Mia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mama mia, Papa pia<br>Baby has the diarrhea<br>Mama said it wouldn't hurt<br>'Til baby had it for dessert!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mama mia , Papa piaBaby has the diarrheaMama said it would n't hurt'Til baby had it for dessert !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mama mia, Papa piaBaby has the diarrheaMama said it wouldn't hurt'Til baby had it for dessert!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089186</id>
	<title>This is a good thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will encourage us to find an alternative technologies separate from government/corporate controlled communication services... In theory anyway. Most people won't care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will encourage us to find an alternative technologies separate from government/corporate controlled communication services... In theory anyway .
Most people wo n't care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will encourage us to find an alternative technologies separate from government/corporate controlled communication services... In theory anyway.
Most people won't care.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31091720</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1265022780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You block all access to everything. Problem solved.</p><p>Seriously tho, 90\% of the people wont have a clue how to get around it .  the other 10\% will regardless of what is done.  In most schools 90\% is an A.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You block all access to everything .
Problem solved.Seriously tho , 90 \ % of the people wont have a clue how to get around it .
the other 10 \ % will regardless of what is done .
In most schools 90 \ % is an A .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You block all access to everything.
Problem solved.Seriously tho, 90\% of the people wont have a clue how to get around it .
the other 10\% will regardless of what is done.
In most schools 90\% is an A.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31098654</id>
	<title>Re:If you don't like the law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265898960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> The American legal system is one of the things that clearly defines America as different and <b>better</b> than other places.</p></div><p>Strike "better" from your statement above and it will be a correct statement. As it stands now, it's just your opinion, and your opinion is simply not important enough to replace fact.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone who thinks otherwise is just <b>whining</b>.</p></div><p>No. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just <b>disagreeing</b> with you.</p><p>There is a big difference, as I am pretty sure you are aware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The American legal system is one of the things that clearly defines America as different and better than other places.Strike " better " from your statement above and it will be a correct statement .
As it stands now , it 's just your opinion , and your opinion is simply not important enough to replace fact.Anyone who thinks otherwise is just whining.No .
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just disagreeing with you.There is a big difference , as I am pretty sure you are aware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The American legal system is one of the things that clearly defines America as different and better than other places.Strike "better" from your statement above and it will be a correct statement.
As it stands now, it's just your opinion, and your opinion is simply not important enough to replace fact.Anyone who thinks otherwise is just whining.No.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just disagreeing with you.There is a big difference, as I am pretty sure you are aware.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090512</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1265018100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obligatory: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers." or to adjust the wording to the context: "The more you tighten your grip, Copyright holders, the more trackers will slip through your fingers."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obligatory : " The more you tighten your grip , Tarkin , the more star systems will slip through your fingers .
" or to adjust the wording to the context : " The more you tighten your grip , Copyright holders , the more trackers will slip through your fingers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obligatory: "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
" or to adjust the wording to the context: "The more you tighten your grip, Copyright holders, the more trackers will slip through your fingers.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089882</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It isn't that hard to understand why a court might not be fans of a website whose content is at least 95\% links to stuff that is illegal!</i></p><p>The only things found on torrent servers that is illegal are things like child pornography.  Movies aren't illegal.  Songs aren't illegal.  I doubt PirateBay links to anything actually illegal to watch or listen to.</p><p>With or without PirateBay the torrents themselves are still legal to access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't that hard to understand why a court might not be fans of a website whose content is at least 95 \ % links to stuff that is illegal ! The only things found on torrent servers that is illegal are things like child pornography .
Movies are n't illegal .
Songs are n't illegal .
I doubt PirateBay links to anything actually illegal to watch or listen to.With or without PirateBay the torrents themselves are still legal to access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't that hard to understand why a court might not be fans of a website whose content is at least 95\% links to stuff that is illegal!The only things found on torrent servers that is illegal are things like child pornography.
Movies aren't illegal.
Songs aren't illegal.
I doubt PirateBay links to anything actually illegal to watch or listen to.With or without PirateBay the torrents themselves are still legal to access.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089850</id>
	<title>one of the most popular sites on the planet</title>
	<author>KharmaWidow</author>
	<datestamp>1265057280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what if it is popular!?  We block Nazi sites and other sites we deem are culturally or economically hazardous. Bottom line is that - today - distributing files your don't have permission to access or share is illegal. This is not an argument whether or not copyright laws are just or unjust. Simply, this is blocking illegal content. It is not the same as China censoring  sites the government approve of. (I am sure the US gov is blocking sites, too.)</p><p>I think the bigger argument against blocking Pirate Bay is that they are an index, not a a distributor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if it is popular ! ?
We block Nazi sites and other sites we deem are culturally or economically hazardous .
Bottom line is that - today - distributing files your do n't have permission to access or share is illegal .
This is not an argument whether or not copyright laws are just or unjust .
Simply , this is blocking illegal content .
It is not the same as China censoring sites the government approve of .
( I am sure the US gov is blocking sites , too .
) I think the bigger argument against blocking Pirate Bay is that they are an index , not a a distributor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if it is popular!?
We block Nazi sites and other sites we deem are culturally or economically hazardous.
Bottom line is that - today - distributing files your don't have permission to access or share is illegal.
This is not an argument whether or not copyright laws are just or unjust.
Simply, this is blocking illegal content.
It is not the same as China censoring  sites the government approve of.
(I am sure the US gov is blocking sites, too.
)I think the bigger argument against blocking Pirate Bay is that they are an index, not a a distributor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089004</id>
	<title>I hate to tell you guys...</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265053560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But when network experts say that the tracker doesn't distribute the information, they're not just employing a legal defense; they're telling you that blocking it that way <em>won't work</em>.</p><p>Case in point, you can use Tor to access the tracker and still enjoy the same peer-to-peer speeds as anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But when network experts say that the tracker does n't distribute the information , they 're not just employing a legal defense ; they 're telling you that blocking it that way wo n't work.Case in point , you can use Tor to access the tracker and still enjoy the same peer-to-peer speeds as anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But when network experts say that the tracker doesn't distribute the information, they're not just employing a legal defense; they're telling you that blocking it that way won't work.Case in point, you can use Tor to access the tracker and still enjoy the same peer-to-peer speeds as anyone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090470</id>
	<title>News + BitTorrent</title>
	<author>il1019</author>
	<datestamp>1265017860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would like to see how it would play out (legally) if a BitTorrent site started hosting some (or any) sort of local news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to see how it would play out ( legally ) if a BitTorrent site started hosting some ( or any ) sort of local news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to see how it would play out (legally) if a BitTorrent site started hosting some (or any) sort of local news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089872</id>
	<title>Re:I hate to tell you guys...</title>
	<author>zlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1265057520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The next step would be blocking Tor<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The next step would be blocking Tor : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The next step would be blocking Tor :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089004</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092076</id>
	<title>Re:Tech fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265024160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I walk non-tech savvy friends through how to use TPB. Seriously, fuck copyright law. If someone ever tries to enforce it against me, I'm going postal.  The more people use TPB, the better for everyone except infonazi scum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I walk non-tech savvy friends through how to use TPB .
Seriously , fuck copyright law .
If someone ever tries to enforce it against me , I 'm going postal .
The more people use TPB , the better for everyone except infonazi scum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I walk non-tech savvy friends through how to use TPB.
Seriously, fuck copyright law.
If someone ever tries to enforce it against me, I'm going postal.
The more people use TPB, the better for everyone except infonazi scum.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089864</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089158</id>
	<title>Start your own tracker!</title>
	<author>chord.wav</author>
	<datestamp>1265054220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is a BT tracker comparison table:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_BitTorrent\_tracker\_software" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_BitTorrent\_tracker\_software</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a BT tracker comparison table : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison \ _of \ _BitTorrent \ _tracker \ _software [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is a BT tracker comparison table:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison\_of\_BitTorrent\_tracker\_software [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095632</id>
	<title>Re:one of the most popular sites on the planet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265044980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is not an argument whether or not copyright laws are just or unjust. Simply, this is blocking illegal content.</p></div><p>The CONTENT is NOT illegal, stop confusing the difference between illegal CONTENT and illegally obtaining it.</p><p>And since neither you, nor the government, knows who is actually downloading those materials, and is not checking the distribution license on the material, you cannot say that the downloaders are breaking the law either.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We block Nazi sites and other sites we deem are culturally or economically hazardous. [...] It is not the same as China censoring sites the government approve of. (I am sure the US gov is blocking sites, too.)</p></div><p>Yes, it is exactly the same. Your government does not approve of "Nazi" sites so you block them. Iran does not approve of "Christian" or "Western fashion" sites because they don't approve of them. etc.</p><p>No, the US government does not block sites. Some ISP's might DNS block or IP block certain sites on their own, but they are not required to, and the US government does not have the ability to dictate to the ISP's which sites they can or cannot block- that would be what we call <i>censorship</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not an argument whether or not copyright laws are just or unjust .
Simply , this is blocking illegal content.The CONTENT is NOT illegal , stop confusing the difference between illegal CONTENT and illegally obtaining it.And since neither you , nor the government , knows who is actually downloading those materials , and is not checking the distribution license on the material , you can not say that the downloaders are breaking the law either.We block Nazi sites and other sites we deem are culturally or economically hazardous .
[ ... ] It is not the same as China censoring sites the government approve of .
( I am sure the US gov is blocking sites , too .
) Yes , it is exactly the same .
Your government does not approve of " Nazi " sites so you block them .
Iran does not approve of " Christian " or " Western fashion " sites because they do n't approve of them .
etc.No , the US government does not block sites .
Some ISP 's might DNS block or IP block certain sites on their own , but they are not required to , and the US government does not have the ability to dictate to the ISP 's which sites they can or can not block- that would be what we call censorship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not an argument whether or not copyright laws are just or unjust.
Simply, this is blocking illegal content.The CONTENT is NOT illegal, stop confusing the difference between illegal CONTENT and illegally obtaining it.And since neither you, nor the government, knows who is actually downloading those materials, and is not checking the distribution license on the material, you cannot say that the downloaders are breaking the law either.We block Nazi sites and other sites we deem are culturally or economically hazardous.
[...] It is not the same as China censoring sites the government approve of.
(I am sure the US gov is blocking sites, too.
)Yes, it is exactly the same.
Your government does not approve of "Nazi" sites so you block them.
Iran does not approve of "Christian" or "Western fashion" sites because they don't approve of them.
etc.No, the US government does not block sites.
Some ISP's might DNS block or IP block certain sites on their own, but they are not required to, and the US government does not have the ability to dictate to the ISP's which sites they can or cannot block- that would be what we call censorship.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089850</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31091302</id>
	<title>Re:I hate to tell you guys...</title>
	<author>bane2571</author>
	<datestamp>1265021100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Forget that, think thepiratemirror.org problem solved.<br> <br>
Honestly, if you're going to have a supreme court case over something, don't make it blacklisting one domain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget that , think thepiratemirror.org problem solved .
Honestly , if you 're going to have a supreme court case over something , do n't make it blacklisting one domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget that, think thepiratemirror.org problem solved.
Honestly, if you're going to have a supreme court case over something, don't make it blacklisting one domain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089004</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092790</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265028600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just funny, because my ISP is actively filtering TPB's IP addresses, not just DNS. Proxy browsing still works.</p><p>Only under Berlusconi's government such an idiotic measure could be passed.</p><p>But since Italy is becoming a population of idiots spoonfed by a monopoly on tv misinformation that makes Fox News pale in comparison, that is not a big surprise.</p><p>Well, idiots will get stuck with this. Smart people will not.</p><p>Berlusconi will eventually go away of old age, and then state ignorance will not be necessary to save a sociopathic corrupt liar anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just funny , because my ISP is actively filtering TPB 's IP addresses , not just DNS .
Proxy browsing still works.Only under Berlusconi 's government such an idiotic measure could be passed.But since Italy is becoming a population of idiots spoonfed by a monopoly on tv misinformation that makes Fox News pale in comparison , that is not a big surprise.Well , idiots will get stuck with this .
Smart people will not.Berlusconi will eventually go away of old age , and then state ignorance will not be necessary to save a sociopathic corrupt liar anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just funny, because my ISP is actively filtering TPB's IP addresses, not just DNS.
Proxy browsing still works.Only under Berlusconi's government such an idiotic measure could be passed.But since Italy is becoming a population of idiots spoonfed by a monopoly on tv misinformation that makes Fox News pale in comparison, that is not a big surprise.Well, idiots will get stuck with this.
Smart people will not.Berlusconi will eventually go away of old age, and then state ignorance will not be necessary to save a sociopathic corrupt liar anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090292</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092736</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265028360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Home user: get a 301 redirect and stuck.</p><p>Home user change DNS to 8.8.8.8</p><p>Home user: go to thepiratebay.org and works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Home user : get a 301 redirect and stuck.Home user change DNS to 8.8.8.8Home user : go to thepiratebay.org and works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Home user: get a 301 redirect and stuck.Home user change DNS to 8.8.8.8Home user: go to thepiratebay.org and works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090292</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089318</id>
	<title>Re:Tech fail</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1265054940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On one hand, this will deter casual users.</p></div><p>How casual would users have to be? More like clueless. Regardless, this decision means nothing. Stopping torrent sites is whack-a-mole on an infinite sized board.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand , this will deter casual users.How casual would users have to be ?
More like clueless .
Regardless , this decision means nothing .
Stopping torrent sites is whack-a-mole on an infinite sized board .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand, this will deter casual users.How casual would users have to be?
More like clueless.
Regardless, this decision means nothing.
Stopping torrent sites is whack-a-mole on an infinite sized board.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089008</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31112586</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265988420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong, the function of the court system is to BALANCE THE BOOKS.</p><p>http://supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman5.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong , the function of the court system is to BALANCE THE BOOKS.http : //supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman5.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong, the function of the court system is to BALANCE THE BOOKS.http://supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman5.htm</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089688</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089002</id>
	<title>Wow, april 1 already?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh wait, I guess today's theme of remote jurisdictions is all legit today...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh wait , I guess today 's theme of remote jurisdictions is all legit today.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh wait, I guess today's theme of remote jurisdictions is all legit today...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089506</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1265055720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The ruling says any site that offers torrent links to connect to copyrighted material is "engaging in criminal activity," says TF.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=filetype\%3Atorrent+pirates" title="google.com">http://www.google.com/search?q=filetype\%3Atorrent+pirates</a> [google.com]</p><p>We learned from Napster &amp; Grokster.<br>Torrent sites &amp; trackers are convienent, but not at all necessary.<br>Between DHT, Peer Exchange, and magnet links you can't really kill bittorrent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ruling says any site that offers torrent links to connect to copyrighted material is " engaging in criminal activity , " says TF .
http : //www.google.com/search ? q = filetype \ % 3Atorrent + pirates [ google.com ] We learned from Napster &amp; Grokster.Torrent sites &amp; trackers are convienent , but not at all necessary.Between DHT , Peer Exchange , and magnet links you ca n't really kill bittorrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ruling says any site that offers torrent links to connect to copyrighted material is "engaging in criminal activity," says TF.
http://www.google.com/search?q=filetype\%3Atorrent+pirates [google.com]We learned from Napster &amp; Grokster.Torrent sites &amp; trackers are convienent, but not at all necessary.Between DHT, Peer Exchange, and magnet links you can't really kill bittorrent.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089132</id>
	<title>Time for a judicial bank account audit...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find out who paid them for this ruling...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find out who paid them for this ruling.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find out who paid them for this ruling...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</id>
	<title>Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can pretty much use any VPN, Proxy, TOR, etc.. maybe a DNS entry to avoid blocking.  Is this like ruling against the clouds stoping the sun from warming the empirer body or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can pretty much use any VPN , Proxy , TOR , etc.. maybe a DNS entry to avoid blocking .
Is this like ruling against the clouds stoping the sun from warming the empirer body or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can pretty much use any VPN, Proxy, TOR, etc.. maybe a DNS entry to avoid blocking.
Is this like ruling against the clouds stoping the sun from warming the empirer body or something?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092640</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265027700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From Italy it does not work.<br>Not so funny indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From Italy it does not work.Not so funny indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From Italy it does not work.Not so funny indeed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090292</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090000</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1265014980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away. </p></div><p>Yes there is, repealing copyright.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away .
Yes there is , repealing copyright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away.
Yes there is, repealing copyright.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090238</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't matter what the court 'thinks'.  The issue is (no matter how it is stated) that this is an attack on 3rd parties instead of the people 'responsible'.

Either:<br>
Go after distributors (insanely difficult = costly) which do something 'bad'<br>
Go after the thieves (people at home = costly) which do something 'bad'<br>
Go after the ISPs (easy to shut off the 'valve') which do absolutely nothing wrong.<br> <br>

I don't want to know what the court is a 'fan' of.  This is in italy so they can set up whatever asinine freedom destroying laws they want, but its obviously idiotic to go after people and cost them money that have nothing to do with the problem.<br> <br>

I wish the commercial organization would realize people love to buy their products.... if only they would make it more easy to access.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter what the court 'thinks' .
The issue is ( no matter how it is stated ) that this is an attack on 3rd parties instead of the people 'responsible' .
Either : Go after distributors ( insanely difficult = costly ) which do something 'bad ' Go after the thieves ( people at home = costly ) which do something 'bad ' Go after the ISPs ( easy to shut off the 'valve ' ) which do absolutely nothing wrong .
I do n't want to know what the court is a 'fan ' of .
This is in italy so they can set up whatever asinine freedom destroying laws they want , but its obviously idiotic to go after people and cost them money that have nothing to do with the problem .
I wish the commercial organization would realize people love to buy their products.... if only they would make it more easy to access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter what the court 'thinks'.
The issue is (no matter how it is stated) that this is an attack on 3rd parties instead of the people 'responsible'.
Either:
Go after distributors (insanely difficult = costly) which do something 'bad'
Go after the thieves (people at home = costly) which do something 'bad'
Go after the ISPs (easy to shut off the 'valve') which do absolutely nothing wrong.
I don't want to know what the court is a 'fan' of.
This is in italy so they can set up whatever asinine freedom destroying laws they want, but its obviously idiotic to go after people and cost them money that have nothing to do with the problem.
I wish the commercial organization would realize people love to buy their products.... if only they would make it more easy to access.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089182</id>
	<title>Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>mykos</author>
	<datestamp>1265054340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is getting very frightening; corporations are now able to use anti-piracy laws to decide what people can and can't communicate.  It's not so much a slippery slope as it is a free fall from the edge of the mountain.

What's next, banning google because you can add the word "torrent" to a search?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is getting very frightening ; corporations are now able to use anti-piracy laws to decide what people can and ca n't communicate .
It 's not so much a slippery slope as it is a free fall from the edge of the mountain .
What 's next , banning google because you can add the word " torrent " to a search ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is getting very frightening; corporations are now able to use anti-piracy laws to decide what people can and can't communicate.
It's not so much a slippery slope as it is a free fall from the edge of the mountain.
What's next, banning google because you can add the word "torrent" to a search?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090112</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>garlicbready</author>
	<datestamp>1265015700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here I'll make it easy<br>google proxy</p><p><a href="http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fthepiratebay.org\%2F&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=&amp;ie=UTF-8" title="google.co.uk">http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fthepiratebay.org\%2F&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=&amp;ie=UTF-8</a> [google.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I 'll make it easygoogle proxyhttp : //translate.google.co.uk/translate ? u = http \ % 3A \ % 2F \ % 2Fthepiratebay.org \ % 2F&amp;sl = es&amp;tl = en&amp;hl = &amp;ie = UTF-8 [ google.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I'll make it easygoogle proxyhttp://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fthepiratebay.org\%2F&amp;sl=es&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=&amp;ie=UTF-8 [google.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089212</id>
	<title>Meanwhile...</title>
	<author>JackSpratts</author>
	<datestamp>1265054460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>...Norway says s'ok!

<a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jLc2Sd0IGZ0-56w-d7FAPNImTzZw" title="google.com">http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jLc2Sd0IGZ0-56w-d7FAPNImTzZw</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Norway says s'ok !
http : //www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jLc2Sd0IGZ0-56w-d7FAPNImTzZw [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Norway says s'ok!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jLc2Sd0IGZ0-56w-d7FAPNImTzZw [google.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095238</id>
	<title>If you don't like the law</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1265042100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Change it.</p><p>Man up.  Don't pussy out and just say, "Well, the law irredeemably sucks."  If that's your view, exercise your Second Amendment rights and overthrow the government already.</p><p>I've been in court on both sides.  It's as fair as you can hope for under any circumstances.  The American legal system is one of the things that clearly defines America as different and better than other places.</p><p>Anyone who thinks otherwise is just whining.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Change it.Man up .
Do n't pussy out and just say , " Well , the law irredeemably sucks .
" If that 's your view , exercise your Second Amendment rights and overthrow the government already.I 've been in court on both sides .
It 's as fair as you can hope for under any circumstances .
The American legal system is one of the things that clearly defines America as different and better than other places.Anyone who thinks otherwise is just whining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Change it.Man up.
Don't pussy out and just say, "Well, the law irredeemably sucks.
"  If that's your view, exercise your Second Amendment rights and overthrow the government already.I've been in court on both sides.
It's as fair as you can hope for under any circumstances.
The American legal system is one of the things that clearly defines America as different and better than other places.Anyone who thinks otherwise is just whining.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089688</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090962</id>
	<title>Re:The Houdini ISPs</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1265019900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I keep all of my whores in glass boxes, it eliminates the need to use screens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep all of my whores in glass boxes , it eliminates the need to use screens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep all of my whores in glass boxes, it eliminates the need to use screens.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089838</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>pdxp</author>
	<datestamp>1265057160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not a matter of what is on the website as much as it is this: many of us see a bleak future when law dictates what sites we can and cannot visit on the internet.
<br> <br>
This ruling means that rather than only <em>taking down</em> websites that cause direct harm to a person or a group of people, access to sites can be removed even if they fall within copyright gray areas, where laws and ideas are different all over the world, or where they possibly threaten financial harm (no matter how [un]justified) to large organizations.
<br> <br>
It's like taking a magazine off the stands in just one country because it says anti-patriotic things about its leader. or, if you want to go into the realm of content legality, a magazine that tells you how to exploit DNS vulnerabilites (3 cheers for the 2600 periodical).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a matter of what is on the website as much as it is this : many of us see a bleak future when law dictates what sites we can and can not visit on the internet .
This ruling means that rather than only taking down websites that cause direct harm to a person or a group of people , access to sites can be removed even if they fall within copyright gray areas , where laws and ideas are different all over the world , or where they possibly threaten financial harm ( no matter how [ un ] justified ) to large organizations .
It 's like taking a magazine off the stands in just one country because it says anti-patriotic things about its leader .
or , if you want to go into the realm of content legality , a magazine that tells you how to exploit DNS vulnerabilites ( 3 cheers for the 2600 periodical ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a matter of what is on the website as much as it is this: many of us see a bleak future when law dictates what sites we can and cannot visit on the internet.
This ruling means that rather than only taking down websites that cause direct harm to a person or a group of people, access to sites can be removed even if they fall within copyright gray areas, where laws and ideas are different all over the world, or where they possibly threaten financial harm (no matter how [un]justified) to large organizations.
It's like taking a magazine off the stands in just one country because it says anti-patriotic things about its leader.
or, if you want to go into the realm of content legality, a magazine that tells you how to exploit DNS vulnerabilites (3 cheers for the 2600 periodical).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089000</id>
	<title>The Houdini ISPs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Blocking even through a proxy, this should be good. Like patching the wholes in a screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Blocking even through a proxy , this should be good .
Like patching the wholes in a screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blocking even through a proxy, this should be good.
Like patching the wholes in a screen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31096856</id>
	<title>Re:If you don't like the law</title>
	<author>Per Wigren</author>
	<datestamp>1265921160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For me as an outsider (a Swede) I think that jury based courts seem crazy because then it's not about the law anymore. Members of the jury will always consult their religion and morals instead of the law, making it effectively a religion based court. Just like in Iran, but with other values and references. This is something we should had left behind us already after the witchcraft trials in the 1600s. Also, the concepts of bail, settling out of court and suing for more than one can possible pay in a whole life seem totally alien to me because to me it looks like it's not about equal justice but about money, power and bloodthirsty revenge.<br> <br>

But maybe I'm just whining...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>For me as an outsider ( a Swede ) I think that jury based courts seem crazy because then it 's not about the law anymore .
Members of the jury will always consult their religion and morals instead of the law , making it effectively a religion based court .
Just like in Iran , but with other values and references .
This is something we should had left behind us already after the witchcraft trials in the 1600s .
Also , the concepts of bail , settling out of court and suing for more than one can possible pay in a whole life seem totally alien to me because to me it looks like it 's not about equal justice but about money , power and bloodthirsty revenge .
But maybe I 'm just whining... : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For me as an outsider (a Swede) I think that jury based courts seem crazy because then it's not about the law anymore.
Members of the jury will always consult their religion and morals instead of the law, making it effectively a religion based court.
Just like in Iran, but with other values and references.
This is something we should had left behind us already after the witchcraft trials in the 1600s.
Also, the concepts of bail, settling out of court and suing for more than one can possible pay in a whole life seem totally alien to me because to me it looks like it's not about equal justice but about money, power and bloodthirsty revenge.
But maybe I'm just whining... :P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095238</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089118</id>
	<title>This just in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fast forward until today and the Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs can indeed be forced to block torrent sites, even if they are foreign-based.</p></div><p>This just in: A government agency simultaneously</p><p>a. reaffirms the power of the government<br>b. shows a lack of understanding of technical issues</p><p>News at 11pm</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fast forward until today and the Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs can indeed be forced to block torrent sites , even if they are foreign-based.This just in : A government agency simultaneouslya .
reaffirms the power of the governmentb .
shows a lack of understanding of technical issuesNews at 11pm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fast forward until today and the Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs can indeed be forced to block torrent sites, even if they are foreign-based.This just in: A government agency simultaneouslya.
reaffirms the power of the governmentb.
shows a lack of understanding of technical issuesNews at 11pm
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31094934</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1265039580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. I would imagine that "blocking" TPB would amount to blocking direct access, as a token effort. Perfectly workable in implementation, completely useless in effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
I would imagine that " blocking " TPB would amount to blocking direct access , as a token effort .
Perfectly workable in implementation , completely useless in effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
I would imagine that "blocking" TPB would amount to blocking direct access, as a token effort.
Perfectly workable in implementation, completely useless in effect.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090292</id>
	<title>Hmmm.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Italian Government:  You will BAN the web address for the Pirate Bay!</p><p>ISP: Okay.  <i>*adds thepiratebay.com and thepiratebay.org to the "ban" list.*</i></p><p>Italian Government:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...You did that awful fast.  Are you sure it's blocked?</p><p>ISP:  Try it.</p><p>Italian Government:  <i>*types in both URLs with no joy*</i>  Right.  Good riddance.</p><p>ISP:  Yup.  Bye.</p><p>Home user:  <i>*types 194.71.107.15 into their browser*</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Italian Government : You will BAN the web address for the Pirate Bay ! ISP : Okay .
* adds thepiratebay.com and thepiratebay.org to the " ban " list .
* Italian Government : ...You did that awful fast .
Are you sure it 's blocked ? ISP : Try it.Italian Government : * types in both URLs with no joy * Right .
Good riddance.ISP : Yup .
Bye.Home user : * types 194.71.107.15 into their browser *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Italian Government:  You will BAN the web address for the Pirate Bay!ISP: Okay.
*adds thepiratebay.com and thepiratebay.org to the "ban" list.
*Italian Government: ...You did that awful fast.
Are you sure it's blocked?ISP:  Try it.Italian Government:  *types in both URLs with no joy*  Right.
Good riddance.ISP:  Yup.
Bye.Home user:  *types 194.71.107.15 into their browser*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090652</id>
	<title>Re:Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1265018580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the problem is the powers given to the government fictions called 'corporations' and not free speech?</p><p>Remember, non-limited non-public-benefit corporations were effectively banned in the US until the 1860's when John D. Rockefeller lobbied to get Standard Oil a permanent charter.  Then a footnote in <i>Santa Clara</i> gave them personhood.</p><p>None of these things were designed into the Republic - they are vestiges of later corruption.  SCOTUS took the right first step, we need to demand the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the problem is the powers given to the government fictions called 'corporations ' and not free speech ? Remember , non-limited non-public-benefit corporations were effectively banned in the US until the 1860 's when John D. Rockefeller lobbied to get Standard Oil a permanent charter .
Then a footnote in Santa Clara gave them personhood.None of these things were designed into the Republic - they are vestiges of later corruption .
SCOTUS took the right first step , we need to demand the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the problem is the powers given to the government fictions called 'corporations' and not free speech?Remember, non-limited non-public-benefit corporations were effectively banned in the US until the 1860's when John D. Rockefeller lobbied to get Standard Oil a permanent charter.
Then a footnote in Santa Clara gave them personhood.None of these things were designed into the Republic - they are vestiges of later corruption.
SCOTUS took the right first step, we need to demand the rest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089554</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31091554</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265022180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with some telco, for example Fastweb Italy, they block also at router level.</p><p>telco DNS resolvs to 127.0.0.1.</p><p>using another dns you get the real ip which is 194.71.107.15</p><p>but a traceroute to the www.piratebay.org ip is blocked by fastweb router 89.96.200.158.<br>they blocked only that IP, the other ips allocated to THEPIEATEBAY-NET are reacheable...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with some telco , for example Fastweb Italy , they block also at router level.telco DNS resolvs to 127.0.0.1.using another dns you get the real ip which is 194.71.107.15but a traceroute to the www.piratebay.org ip is blocked by fastweb router 89.96.200.158.they blocked only that IP , the other ips allocated to THEPIEATEBAY-NET are reacheable.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with some telco, for example Fastweb Italy, they block also at router level.telco DNS resolvs to 127.0.0.1.using another dns you get the real ip which is 194.71.107.15but a traceroute to the www.piratebay.org ip is blocked by fastweb router 89.96.200.158.they blocked only that IP, the other ips allocated to THEPIEATEBAY-NET are reacheable...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31088968</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090312</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1265016900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> The only things found on torrent servers that is illegal are things like child pornography.  Movies aren't illegal.  Songs aren't illegal.  I doubt PirateBay links to anything actually illegal to watch or listen to.</p></div><p>None of those series of bits are illegal <i>per se</i>. Perhaps, possessing them, creating them, copying them, or distributing them... But no <i>thing</i> is illegal, only <i>actions</i> are.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only things found on torrent servers that is illegal are things like child pornography .
Movies are n't illegal .
Songs are n't illegal .
I doubt PirateBay links to anything actually illegal to watch or listen to.None of those series of bits are illegal per se .
Perhaps , possessing them , creating them , copying them , or distributing them... But no thing is illegal , only actions are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The only things found on torrent servers that is illegal are things like child pornography.
Movies aren't illegal.
Songs aren't illegal.
I doubt PirateBay links to anything actually illegal to watch or listen to.None of those series of bits are illegal per se.
Perhaps, possessing them, creating them, copying them, or distributing them... But no thing is illegal, only actions are.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089882</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089242</id>
	<title>Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"leaving millions of users without access to one of the most popular sites on the planet" is a bullshit plea.  Don't give me this "would somebody think of the children!" argument.  It's bullshit.</p><p>It isn't that hard to understand why a court might not be fans of a website whose content is at least 95\% links to stuff that is illegal!</p><p>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away.  I think it's fair to say some folks have spent a good portion of the last two decades trying.  But, let's not act like it's a travesty that a court didn't side with the downloaders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" leaving millions of users without access to one of the most popular sites on the planet " is a bullshit plea .
Do n't give me this " would somebody think of the children !
" argument .
It 's bullshit.It is n't that hard to understand why a court might not be fans of a website whose content is at least 95 \ % links to stuff that is illegal ! Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away .
I think it 's fair to say some folks have spent a good portion of the last two decades trying .
But , let 's not act like it 's a travesty that a court did n't side with the downloaders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"leaving millions of users without access to one of the most popular sites on the planet" is a bullshit plea.
Don't give me this "would somebody think of the children!
" argument.
It's bullshit.It isn't that hard to understand why a court might not be fans of a website whose content is at least 95\% links to stuff that is illegal!Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away.
I think it's fair to say some folks have spent a good portion of the last two decades trying.
But, let's not act like it's a travesty that a court didn't side with the downloaders.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089732</id>
	<title>Good luck!</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1265056800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm behind seven proxies!!!</p><p>Oh, and I'm not in Italy.</p><p>Or am I?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm behind seven proxies ! !
! Oh , and I 'm not in Italy.Or am I ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm behind seven proxies!!
!Oh, and I'm not in Italy.Or am I?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089210</id>
	<title>blocking piratebay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are they going to block google too?<br>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=avatar+torrent</p><p>Hooray</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they going to block google too ? http : //lmgtfy.com/ ? q = avatar + torrentHooray</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they going to block google too?http://lmgtfy.com/?q=avatar+torrentHooray</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090598</id>
	<title>Re:Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1265018400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably. This whole thing copyright crusade just turned for the worse, now that the biggest Dutch investment agency (ABP, the pension fund for civil servants) last week announced (in a very small article) that they were moving into copyrights, because that is were currently most of the money is being made. The invested a small part of their portfolio, a few billion euro (small change), and were thinking of expanding because it was so profitable.</p><p>So if you think it can't get any worse: it will become much, much worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably .
This whole thing copyright crusade just turned for the worse , now that the biggest Dutch investment agency ( ABP , the pension fund for civil servants ) last week announced ( in a very small article ) that they were moving into copyrights , because that is were currently most of the money is being made .
The invested a small part of their portfolio , a few billion euro ( small change ) , and were thinking of expanding because it was so profitable.So if you think it ca n't get any worse : it will become much , much worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably.
This whole thing copyright crusade just turned for the worse, now that the biggest Dutch investment agency (ABP, the pension fund for civil servants) last week announced (in a very small article) that they were moving into copyrights, because that is were currently most of the money is being made.
The invested a small part of their portfolio, a few billion euro (small change), and were thinking of expanding because it was so profitable.So if you think it can't get any worse: it will become much, much worse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089182</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090476</id>
	<title>Itralian Internet Censorship Next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265017920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the Italian courts have decided that accessing piratebay's website is verboten.</p><p>It isn't a big leap to see the Italian government supporting that with legislation to require ISPs to block access to them. This decision doesn't say that this will happen, it just says that it is allowed.</p><p>Thus Italy could easily end up with something like what is being builtin Australia, except for a different purpose. Instead of blocking access to web sites that carry material that would be refused classification (in Australia), it will be blocking of access to web sites that exist to support bit torrent and the illegal exchange of copyright material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the Italian courts have decided that accessing piratebay 's website is verboten.It is n't a big leap to see the Italian government supporting that with legislation to require ISPs to block access to them .
This decision does n't say that this will happen , it just says that it is allowed.Thus Italy could easily end up with something like what is being builtin Australia , except for a different purpose .
Instead of blocking access to web sites that carry material that would be refused classification ( in Australia ) , it will be blocking of access to web sites that exist to support bit torrent and the illegal exchange of copyright material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the Italian courts have decided that accessing piratebay's website is verboten.It isn't a big leap to see the Italian government supporting that with legislation to require ISPs to block access to them.
This decision doesn't say that this will happen, it just says that it is allowed.Thus Italy could easily end up with something like what is being builtin Australia, except for a different purpose.
Instead of blocking access to web sites that carry material that would be refused classification (in Australia), it will be blocking of access to web sites that exist to support bit torrent and the illegal exchange of copyright material.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095302</id>
	<title>Riiiiiiight</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1265042520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Copyright's going away tomorrow.  Thank goodness you mentioned it, because we were worried there was no way out.</p><p>We will immediately begin legalizing screwing people out of their fundamental right to enjoy the fruits of their labors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copyright 's going away tomorrow .
Thank goodness you mentioned it , because we were worried there was no way out.We will immediately begin legalizing screwing people out of their fundamental right to enjoy the fruits of their labors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copyright's going away tomorrow.
Thank goodness you mentioned it, because we were worried there was no way out.We will immediately begin legalizing screwing people out of their fundamental right to enjoy the fruits of their labors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090000</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095376</id>
	<title>Re:Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265043120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's not really all that scary, mykos. After <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-corporations-court10-2010feb10,0,4918720.story" title="latimes.com" rel="nofollow">the US Supreme court Decision that gives corporations the right to spend any amount of money to influence elections in the US</a> [latimes.com], the corporations are now able to <strong>be</strong> the government that regulates the corporations that tell us what is OK for us to communicate and do.</p></div><p>How about this; go read the actual decision instead of just puking back the bullshit the mass media is feeding you.</p><p>Here's what really happened:</p><p>There was a rule that said that corporations were not allowed to spend money on political <i>advertising</i> <b>during the 30 day period before an election</b>. (For some elections it was a 60 day period).<br>The courts ruled that this was not a constitutional restriction because it amounts to censorship. The rule was only constitutional because a previous court ruling.<br>So the current court threw out the old ruling, which means that the corporations can once again spend money on political ads during that last month period.</p><p>The ruling specifically stated that this did not affect other restrictions on corporate spending, campaign donation limits, etc.</p><p>NOW HERE IS THE KICKER:</p><p>The ruling specifically stated that this also meant that <b>private citizens</b> have <b>just as much</b> a right to free speech as any "official" media outlet, and specifically that giving any type of extra "free speech" protection to a media corporation OVER that given to a citizen also amounts to censorship. This means that everybody is a full-fledged member of "the press" because to do otherwise is censorship.</p><p>So the media organizations are screaming bloody murder and painting this <i>overturning</i> of a ruling as the courts somehow trying to ruin democracy by giving corporations the ability to "buy" politicians.</p><p>Again, to clarify, other than the 30/60 day rule on advertising, and the elite status of "the press", this decision does not change anything.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That 's not really all that scary , mykos .
After the US Supreme court Decision that gives corporations the right to spend any amount of money to influence elections in the US [ latimes.com ] , the corporations are now able to be the government that regulates the corporations that tell us what is OK for us to communicate and do.How about this ; go read the actual decision instead of just puking back the bullshit the mass media is feeding you.Here 's what really happened : There was a rule that said that corporations were not allowed to spend money on political advertising during the 30 day period before an election .
( For some elections it was a 60 day period ) .The courts ruled that this was not a constitutional restriction because it amounts to censorship .
The rule was only constitutional because a previous court ruling.So the current court threw out the old ruling , which means that the corporations can once again spend money on political ads during that last month period.The ruling specifically stated that this did not affect other restrictions on corporate spending , campaign donation limits , etc.NOW HERE IS THE KICKER : The ruling specifically stated that this also meant that private citizens have just as much a right to free speech as any " official " media outlet , and specifically that giving any type of extra " free speech " protection to a media corporation OVER that given to a citizen also amounts to censorship .
This means that everybody is a full-fledged member of " the press " because to do otherwise is censorship.So the media organizations are screaming bloody murder and painting this overturning of a ruling as the courts somehow trying to ruin democracy by giving corporations the ability to " buy " politicians.Again , to clarify , other than the 30/60 day rule on advertising , and the elite status of " the press " , this decision does not change anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not really all that scary, mykos.
After the US Supreme court Decision that gives corporations the right to spend any amount of money to influence elections in the US [latimes.com], the corporations are now able to be the government that regulates the corporations that tell us what is OK for us to communicate and do.How about this; go read the actual decision instead of just puking back the bullshit the mass media is feeding you.Here's what really happened:There was a rule that said that corporations were not allowed to spend money on political advertising during the 30 day period before an election.
(For some elections it was a 60 day period).The courts ruled that this was not a constitutional restriction because it amounts to censorship.
The rule was only constitutional because a previous court ruling.So the current court threw out the old ruling, which means that the corporations can once again spend money on political ads during that last month period.The ruling specifically stated that this did not affect other restrictions on corporate spending, campaign donation limits, etc.NOW HERE IS THE KICKER:The ruling specifically stated that this also meant that private citizens have just as much a right to free speech as any "official" media outlet, and specifically that giving any type of extra "free speech" protection to a media corporation OVER that given to a citizen also amounts to censorship.
This means that everybody is a full-fledged member of "the press" because to do otherwise is censorship.So the media organizations are screaming bloody murder and painting this overturning of a ruling as the courts somehow trying to ruin democracy by giving corporations the ability to "buy" politicians.Again, to clarify, other than the 30/60 day rule on advertising, and the elite status of "the press", this decision does not change anything.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31091006</id>
	<title>Re:Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>DigitAl56K</author>
	<datestamp>1265020080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They aren't even deciding <i>what</i> you can communicate, since TPB is a tracker. They're deciding whom you can communicate with altogether.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't even deciding what you can communicate , since TPB is a tracker .
They 're deciding whom you can communicate with altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't even deciding what you can communicate, since TPB is a tracker.
They're deciding whom you can communicate with altogether.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090638</id>
	<title>Re:Obvious solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265018520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What we need is a freenet-like system dedicated only to the distribution of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files. Just embed it in a BT client and use DHT. Figure out how to fight that one, money gluttons!</p></div><p>I think that freenet-like system is called Freenet.  I don't do the torrenting thing, but I'd be amazed if<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files weren't being traded on Freenet itself, via Frost or Freenet web sites.  Of course, the more people who use freenet, the less you'll need a seperate torrenting system.  If you're even a little paranoid, you'll realize that you want to encypt all your p2p traffic, at which point you'll do eveything on Freenet directly.</p><p>Eventually, of course, the government will just outlaw all encrypted traffic except HTTPS to a bank - I'm actually kind of surprised that's not already the case in China (but then maybe they just arrest you on other charges if you have to much encrypted traffic there).</p></div>
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<tokenext>What we need is a freenet-like system dedicated only to the distribution of .torrent files .
Just embed it in a BT client and use DHT .
Figure out how to fight that one , money gluttons ! I think that freenet-like system is called Freenet .
I do n't do the torrenting thing , but I 'd be amazed if .torrent files were n't being traded on Freenet itself , via Frost or Freenet web sites .
Of course , the more people who use freenet , the less you 'll need a seperate torrenting system .
If you 're even a little paranoid , you 'll realize that you want to encypt all your p2p traffic , at which point you 'll do eveything on Freenet directly.Eventually , of course , the government will just outlaw all encrypted traffic except HTTPS to a bank - I 'm actually kind of surprised that 's not already the case in China ( but then maybe they just arrest you on other charges if you have to much encrypted traffic there ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we need is a freenet-like system dedicated only to the distribution of .torrent files.
Just embed it in a BT client and use DHT.
Figure out how to fight that one, money gluttons!I think that freenet-like system is called Freenet.
I don't do the torrenting thing, but I'd be amazed if .torrent files weren't being traded on Freenet itself, via Frost or Freenet web sites.
Of course, the more people who use freenet, the less you'll need a seperate torrenting system.
If you're even a little paranoid, you'll realize that you want to encypt all your p2p traffic, at which point you'll do eveything on Freenet directly.Eventually, of course, the government will just outlaw all encrypted traffic except HTTPS to a bank - I'm actually kind of surprised that's not already the case in China (but then maybe they just arrest you on other charges if you have to much encrypted traffic there).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31096154</id>
	<title>Re:Tech fail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265049300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd like to point out that 99\% of the time you can find a torrent client that installs and "just works" after the fact, with no setup whatsoever.  I know Windows and Linux clients exist like this, and I'm certain they do on Mac.  There's probably not enough of a shortage for a casual user to run out of options if one of them suddenly didn't work either.  That's not to say a casual user would be determined enough to solve a basic problem on their own with their computer task in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to point out that 99 \ % of the time you can find a torrent client that installs and " just works " after the fact , with no setup whatsoever .
I know Windows and Linux clients exist like this , and I 'm certain they do on Mac .
There 's probably not enough of a shortage for a casual user to run out of options if one of them suddenly did n't work either .
That 's not to say a casual user would be determined enough to solve a basic problem on their own with their computer task in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to point out that 99\% of the time you can find a torrent client that installs and "just works" after the fact, with no setup whatsoever.
I know Windows and Linux clients exist like this, and I'm certain they do on Mac.
There's probably not enough of a shortage for a casual user to run out of options if one of them suddenly didn't work either.
That's not to say a casual user would be determined enough to solve a basic problem on their own with their computer task in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089386</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>Entropius</author>
	<datestamp>1265055240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The court can not be fans all they like, doesn't mean they should try to block it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The court can not be fans all they like , does n't mean they should try to block it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The court can not be fans all they like, doesn't mean they should try to block it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089012</id>
	<title>you know, I'm half Italian</title>
	<author>bmecoli</author>
	<datestamp>1265053620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And usually I'm proud of my heritage, but then after hearing this, I'm quite ashamed.<br> <br>

This is almost as bad as the Vatican.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;/</htmltext>
<tokenext>And usually I 'm proud of my heritage , but then after hearing this , I 'm quite ashamed .
This is almost as bad as the Vatican .
; /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And usually I'm proud of my heritage, but then after hearing this, I'm quite ashamed.
This is almost as bad as the Vatican.
;/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092928</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265029320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They blocked the Ip now, not just the name resolution. Unless you use a proxy abroad you can't connect to TPB from within Italy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They blocked the Ip now , not just the name resolution .
Unless you use a proxy abroad you ca n't connect to TPB from within Italy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They blocked the Ip now, not just the name resolution.
Unless you use a proxy abroad you can't connect to TPB from within Italy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089288</id>
	<title>Obvious solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we need is a freenet-like system dedicated only to the distribution of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files.  Just embed it in a BT client and use DHT.  Figure out how to fight that one, money gluttons!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we need is a freenet-like system dedicated only to the distribution of .torrent files .
Just embed it in a BT client and use DHT .
Figure out how to fight that one , money gluttons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we need is a freenet-like system dedicated only to the distribution of .torrent files.
Just embed it in a BT client and use DHT.
Figure out how to fight that one, money gluttons!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31092674</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>alexo</author>
	<datestamp>1265028000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes there is, repealing copyright.</p></div></blockquote><p>So, basically, you agree with SlappyBastard.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away.Yes there is , repealing copyright.So , basically , you agree with SlappyBastard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing is going to make illegal downloading go away.Yes there is, repealing copyright.So, basically, you agree with SlappyBastard.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31090932</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>chickenarise</author>
	<datestamp>1265019780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's...it's...sigh...it's poetry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's...it 's...sigh...it 's poetry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's...it's...sigh...it's poetry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089008</id>
	<title>Tech fail</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1265053620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On one hand, this will deter casual users. On the other, restricting access to the torrent sites does nothing to stop the use of torrents.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent files are small and with distributed tracking now coming into use... Piratebay can continue to function effectively even though its domain is blacklisted.</p><p>So this move has been anticipated, counter-measures deployed, and they are effective. Update the host file in the user's brain and you're good to go. ^\_^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand , this will deter casual users .
On the other , restricting access to the torrent sites does nothing to stop the use of torrents .
.torrent files are small and with distributed tracking now coming into use... Piratebay can continue to function effectively even though its domain is blacklisted.So this move has been anticipated , counter-measures deployed , and they are effective .
Update the host file in the user 's brain and you 're good to go .
^ \ _ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand, this will deter casual users.
On the other, restricting access to the torrent sites does nothing to stop the use of torrents.
.torrent files are small and with distributed tracking now coming into use... Piratebay can continue to function effectively even though its domain is blacklisted.So this move has been anticipated, counter-measures deployed, and they are effective.
Update the host file in the user's brain and you're good to go.
^\_^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089498</id>
	<title>Leaves the question what was decided</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why and more importantly how as in on what reasoning did the court decide the obvious? Yes, ISPs can easily block. But should they? Should telephone companies scrub ``bad'' words, like mention who sells ``illegal'' copies of copyrighted material, from conversation? Why not telephone companies but ISPs? Just because it is relatively easily possible?</p><p>Personally I think the ``common carrier'' doctrine is a much better idea than censorship, but apparently this Italian high court disagrees. But even after RingTFA, I have no idea why.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why and more importantly how as in on what reasoning did the court decide the obvious ?
Yes , ISPs can easily block .
But should they ?
Should telephone companies scrub ` ` bad' ' words , like mention who sells ` ` illegal' ' copies of copyrighted material , from conversation ?
Why not telephone companies but ISPs ?
Just because it is relatively easily possible ? Personally I think the ` ` common carrier' ' doctrine is a much better idea than censorship , but apparently this Italian high court disagrees .
But even after RingTFA , I have no idea why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why and more importantly how as in on what reasoning did the court decide the obvious?
Yes, ISPs can easily block.
But should they?
Should telephone companies scrub ``bad'' words, like mention who sells ``illegal'' copies of copyrighted material, from conversation?
Why not telephone companies but ISPs?
Just because it is relatively easily possible?Personally I think the ``common carrier'' doctrine is a much better idea than censorship, but apparently this Italian high court disagrees.
But even after RingTFA, I have no idea why.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31095314</id>
	<title>Oh, come on!</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1265042700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have a nerve center that exists purely to route people to illegal content -- and that is what TPB is -- it is irrational to say the government has no right to tell ISPs to not intervene.</p><p>Think of it in the context of a Good Samaritan law.  If you can do something to interdict a crime, you should.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have a nerve center that exists purely to route people to illegal content -- and that is what TPB is -- it is irrational to say the government has no right to tell ISPs to not intervene.Think of it in the context of a Good Samaritan law .
If you can do something to interdict a crime , you should .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have a nerve center that exists purely to route people to illegal content -- and that is what TPB is -- it is irrational to say the government has no right to tell ISPs to not intervene.Think of it in the context of a Good Samaritan law.
If you can do something to interdict a crime, you should.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31096104</id>
	<title>Re:Is tecnically feasible?</title>
	<author>shnull</author>
	<datestamp>1265048580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it does indeed, once again, show just how much these trolls understand about todays world<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... let them eat cake heheh</htmltext>
<tokenext>it does indeed , once again , show just how much these trolls understand about todays world ... let them eat cake heheh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it does indeed, once again, show just how much these trolls understand about todays world ... let them eat cake heheh</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31089974</id>
	<title>Re:Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265014860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fucking gvrow up kid. This is the law clamping down on organised criminals financed by facsist millionaires to try and con the entertainment industry out of billions.<br>what the fuck did you think was gonna happen kid?<br>shove your tinfoil hat up your self righteous fucking ass, you slashdot hippie</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fucking gvrow up kid .
This is the law clamping down on organised criminals financed by facsist millionaires to try and con the entertainment industry out of billions.what the fuck did you think was gon na happen kid ? shove your tinfoil hat up your self righteous fucking ass , you slashdot hippie</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fucking gvrow up kid.
This is the law clamping down on organised criminals financed by facsist millionaires to try and con the entertainment industry out of billions.what the fuck did you think was gonna happen kid?shove your tinfoil hat up your self righteous fucking ass, you slashdot hippie</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_1833230.31110830</id>
	<title>Re:Not to be a dick, but . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265971080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch:</p><p>"The Occult World of Commerce", "Choosing Freedom", "Security of the Person", etc.</p><p>Read:</p><p>HOW I CLOBBERED EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN... a Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and<br>Remembering Who You Are by: Mary Elizabeth: Croft</p><p>http://freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf</p><p>It's all about Admiralty Law vs Common Law... and how you will always be judged under Admiralty Law instead of Common Law unless you do know how to navigate between those two world.</p><p>Guess what? As soon as you're registered via a birth certificate, you, the human being named 'john doe', will receive an artificial person/strawman figure named 'JOHN DOE' which is connected to you..  and the latter is an employee of the company called the USofA...   and it's the latter who can only be brought to justice under Admiralty Law, which is the law of commerce.</p><p>Check all your ID's, drive licenses, birth certificates, etc..  always the name in caps...so you can be CAPITALIZED upon.</p><p>http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/76yhn/wiki\_sovereign\_citizen\_movement\_courts\_have/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch : " The Occult World of Commerce " , " Choosing Freedom " , " Security of the Person " , etc.Read : HOW I CLOBBERED EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN... a Spiritual Economics Book on $ $ $ andRemembering Who You Are by : Mary Elizabeth : Crofthttp : //freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdfIt 's all about Admiralty Law vs Common Law... and how you will always be judged under Admiralty Law instead of Common Law unless you do know how to navigate between those two world.Guess what ?
As soon as you 're registered via a birth certificate , you , the human being named 'john doe ' , will receive an artificial person/strawman figure named 'JOHN DOE ' which is connected to you.. and the latter is an employee of the company called the USofA... and it 's the latter who can only be brought to justice under Admiralty Law , which is the law of commerce.Check all your ID 's , drive licenses , birth certificates , etc.. always the name in caps...so you can be CAPITALIZED upon.http : //www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/76yhn/wiki \ _sovereign \ _citizen \ _movement \ _courts \ _have/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch:"The Occult World of Commerce", "Choosing Freedom", "Security of the Person", etc.Read:HOW I CLOBBERED EVERY BUREAUCRATIC CASH-CONFISCATORY AGENCY KNOWN TO MAN... a Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ andRemembering Who You Are by: Mary Elizabeth: Crofthttp://freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdfIt's all about Admiralty Law vs Common Law... and how you will always be judged under Admiralty Law instead of Common Law unless you do know how to navigate between those two world.Guess what?
As soon as you're registered via a birth certificate, you, the human being named 'john doe', will receive an artificial person/strawman figure named 'JOHN DOE' which is connected to you..  and the latter is an employee of the company called the USofA...   and it's the latter who can only be brought to justice under Admiralty Law, which is the law of commerce.Check all your ID's, drive licenses, birth certificates, etc..  always the name in caps...so you can be CAPITALIZED upon.http://www.reddit.com/r/CommonLaw/comments/76yhn/wiki\_sovereign\_citizen\_movement\_courts\_have/</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Censoring communication because a corp says so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not really all that scary, mykos. After <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-corporations-court10-2010feb10,0,4918720.story" title="latimes.com">the US Supreme court Decision that gives corporations the right to spend any amount of money to influence elections in the US</a> [latimes.com], the corporations are now able to <strong>be</strong> the government that regulates the corporations that tell us what is OK for us to communicate and do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not really all that scary , mykos .
After the US Supreme court Decision that gives corporations the right to spend any amount of money to influence elections in the US [ latimes.com ] , the corporations are now able to be the government that regulates the corporations that tell us what is OK for us to communicate and do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not really all that scary, mykos.
After the US Supreme court Decision that gives corporations the right to spend any amount of money to influence elections in the US [latimes.com], the corporations are now able to be the government that regulates the corporations that tell us what is OK for us to communicate and do.</sentencetext>
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