<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_10_0048246</id>
	<title>India Suspended From PayPal For "At Least a Few Months"</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265819040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>More details have come about about <a href="http://www.macworld.com/article/146246/2010/02/paypal\_india.html">what was behind PayPal's decision</a> to suspend personal payments to any user in India, as <a href="//news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/1830222/Paypal-Reverses-Payments-Made-To-Indians">we discussed on Sunday</a>. In a blog post today, PayPal revealed that payments to India will remain in suspension for <a href="https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2010/02/update-on-paypal-situation-in-india/">at least a few months</a>. Customers in India will be able to pull rupees out of the service into their bank accounts within a few days. The suspension came about when Indian government regulators raised questions about whether PayPal's service was enabling <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittances">remittances</a> (transfers of money by foreign workers) to Indian citizens. <i>"The problems may have been triggered by a marketing push that promotes PayPal as a way to send money abroad, a source familiar with the matter said. The campaign &mdash; which reads 'As low as $1.50 to send $300 to countries like India' &mdash; may have caught the attention of Indian regulators, the source said."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>More details have come about about what was behind PayPal 's decision to suspend personal payments to any user in India , as we discussed on Sunday .
In a blog post today , PayPal revealed that payments to India will remain in suspension for at least a few months .
Customers in India will be able to pull rupees out of the service into their bank accounts within a few days .
The suspension came about when Indian government regulators raised questions about whether PayPal 's service was enabling remittances ( transfers of money by foreign workers ) to Indian citizens .
" The problems may have been triggered by a marketing push that promotes PayPal as a way to send money abroad , a source familiar with the matter said .
The campaign    which reads 'As low as $ 1.50 to send $ 300 to countries like India '    may have caught the attention of Indian regulators , the source said .
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<sentencetext>More details have come about about what was behind PayPal's decision to suspend personal payments to any user in India, as we discussed on Sunday.
In a blog post today, PayPal revealed that payments to India will remain in suspension for at least a few months.
Customers in India will be able to pull rupees out of the service into their bank accounts within a few days.
The suspension came about when Indian government regulators raised questions about whether PayPal's service was enabling remittances (transfers of money by foreign workers) to Indian citizens.
"The problems may have been triggered by a marketing push that promotes PayPal as a way to send money abroad, a source familiar with the matter said.
The campaign — which reads 'As low as $1.50 to send $300 to countries like India' — may have caught the attention of Indian regulators, the source said.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31087014</id>
	<title>do ACTA get paypal back</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265045580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>see how the usa govt works now</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>see how the usa govt works now</tokentext>
<sentencetext>see how the usa govt works now</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083794</id>
	<title>Isn't the title should be ..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265025180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paypal Suspended From India For "At Least a Few Months"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paypal Suspended From India For " At Least a Few Months "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paypal Suspended From India For "At Least a Few Months"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31086790</id>
	<title>Re:Analog tech...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265044620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who cares if nobody can send money to india? Theyre just a bunch of smelly poor fucks. Hell, the ones who live abroad are smelly and cover it up with copious amounts of cheap cologne. Plus their ugly faces and giant noses disgust me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who cares if nobody can send money to india ?
Theyre just a bunch of smelly poor fucks .
Hell , the ones who live abroad are smelly and cover it up with copious amounts of cheap cologne .
Plus their ugly faces and giant noses disgust me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who cares if nobody can send money to india?
Theyre just a bunch of smelly poor fucks.
Hell, the ones who live abroad are smelly and cover it up with copious amounts of cheap cologne.
Plus their ugly faces and giant noses disgust me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082176</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31091944</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>TheTyrannyOfForcedRe</author>
	<datestamp>1265023680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Isn't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago? Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".</p></div><p>Take everything Paypal says with a grain of salt.  Their place on my trust scale is somewhere in the vicinity of meth-head stripper.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago ?
Something akin to " golly gee we 're not sure what happened but we 're looking into it " .Take everything Paypal says with a grain of salt .
Their place on my trust scale is somewhere in the vicinity of meth-head stripper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago?
Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".Take everything Paypal says with a grain of salt.
Their place on my trust scale is somewhere in the vicinity of meth-head stripper.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083094</id>
	<title>experience from my recent trip to India</title>
	<author>nerdyalien</author>
	<datestamp>1265015880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I visited New Delhi last November (2009).</p><p>On my way in, I managed to change my USD to INR at the airport right after the immigration counter, no problem with that.</p><p>But on my way out, I thought I can get my INR change back to USD at the air port (this is my normal routine). Alas! there are no money-changers at the airport. Even if they are available, they are only for Indians and it is capped at INR 5000.</p><p>I ended up bringing some 5-digit amount INR back to home, later changed back to USD and lost something like ~20 USD as I don't get same rates outside India.</p><p>This is ridiculous. I mean, I have been to many airports. And in most of them, there is a money changer and there are no restrictions for foreigners. But this is the first time I'm seeing other way around. Strange land indeed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I visited New Delhi last November ( 2009 ) .On my way in , I managed to change my USD to INR at the airport right after the immigration counter , no problem with that.But on my way out , I thought I can get my INR change back to USD at the air port ( this is my normal routine ) .
Alas ! there are no money-changers at the airport .
Even if they are available , they are only for Indians and it is capped at INR 5000.I ended up bringing some 5-digit amount INR back to home , later changed back to USD and lost something like ~ 20 USD as I do n't get same rates outside India.This is ridiculous .
I mean , I have been to many airports .
And in most of them , there is a money changer and there are no restrictions for foreigners .
But this is the first time I 'm seeing other way around .
Strange land indeed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I visited New Delhi last November (2009).On my way in, I managed to change my USD to INR at the airport right after the immigration counter, no problem with that.But on my way out, I thought I can get my INR change back to USD at the air port (this is my normal routine).
Alas! there are no money-changers at the airport.
Even if they are available, they are only for Indians and it is capped at INR 5000.I ended up bringing some 5-digit amount INR back to home, later changed back to USD and lost something like ~20 USD as I don't get same rates outside India.This is ridiculous.
I mean, I have been to many airports.
And in most of them, there is a money changer and there are no restrictions for foreigners.
But this is the first time I'm seeing other way around.
Strange land indeed!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082182</id>
	<title>This is a DISASTER!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265738160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How will the children of Ganesh now be able to afford to get to work at Dell-India? I won't know how to reformat my Insprion now!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How will the children of Ganesh now be able to afford to get to work at Dell-India ?
I wo n't know how to reformat my Insprion now !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How will the children of Ganesh now be able to afford to get to work at Dell-India?
I won't know how to reformat my Insprion now!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082858</id>
	<title>And this is why...</title>
	<author>matunos</author>
	<datestamp>1265056740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...we need Simoleons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...we need Simoleons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...we need Simoleons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082636</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265745060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For as long as there have been people they have been forming groups in order to advance their own interests at the expense of others.  That's part of human nature and I don't see it changing any time soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For as long as there have been people they have been forming groups in order to advance their own interests at the expense of others .
That 's part of human nature and I do n't see it changing any time soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For as long as there have been people they have been forming groups in order to advance their own interests at the expense of others.
That's part of human nature and I don't see it changing any time soon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082472</id>
	<title>Re:Paypal is a mess</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265741880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There is so much dubious crap buried in the terms and conditions that none save a seasoned lawyer would figure out, and so many stories of people being royally screwed over by paypal (eg bank accounts being wiped out for no apparent reason)..."</p><p>As someone who worked at PayPal and saw the horror first hand over the years, I cannot possibly agree more.  The Terms sheet is a deck that is stacked against the user at every opportunity.</p><p>I remember first hand seeing an employee (with a reputation for incompetence) award $30,000 to a fraudster from a legitimate business account.  This is a common error, and PayPal sets aside a budget to fix these mistakes.  But because of the dollar amount, upper management decided to hide behind some vague language in the terms sheet and screw the good user.</p><p>I don't know how the story ended out exactly.  Legally they may have gotten away with it.  But just because it was legal doesn't mean it was moral.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There is so much dubious crap buried in the terms and conditions that none save a seasoned lawyer would figure out , and so many stories of people being royally screwed over by paypal ( eg bank accounts being wiped out for no apparent reason ) ... " As someone who worked at PayPal and saw the horror first hand over the years , I can not possibly agree more .
The Terms sheet is a deck that is stacked against the user at every opportunity.I remember first hand seeing an employee ( with a reputation for incompetence ) award $ 30,000 to a fraudster from a legitimate business account .
This is a common error , and PayPal sets aside a budget to fix these mistakes .
But because of the dollar amount , upper management decided to hide behind some vague language in the terms sheet and screw the good user.I do n't know how the story ended out exactly .
Legally they may have gotten away with it .
But just because it was legal does n't mean it was moral .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There is so much dubious crap buried in the terms and conditions that none save a seasoned lawyer would figure out, and so many stories of people being royally screwed over by paypal (eg bank accounts being wiped out for no apparent reason)..."As someone who worked at PayPal and saw the horror first hand over the years, I cannot possibly agree more.
The Terms sheet is a deck that is stacked against the user at every opportunity.I remember first hand seeing an employee (with a reputation for incompetence) award $30,000 to a fraudster from a legitimate business account.
This is a common error, and PayPal sets aside a budget to fix these mistakes.
But because of the dollar amount, upper management decided to hide behind some vague language in the terms sheet and screw the good user.I don't know how the story ended out exactly.
Legally they may have gotten away with it.
But just because it was legal doesn't mean it was moral.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082016</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082758</id>
	<title>"India suspended from PayPal"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Geez, talk about anglo-centrism. Some little turd of an American corporation has the power to suspend one of the world's most populous nations? I don't think so. This headline should be "PayPal suspended in India". I realize it affects Indian users in a way that primarily benefits PayPal in the short-term, but the fact is that it is PayPal who is now prevented from operating in a large market. India and its users will find or create alternative services. Hell, I hope they come up with some very strong alternatives so that Americans can stop using PayPal too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Geez , talk about anglo-centrism .
Some little turd of an American corporation has the power to suspend one of the world 's most populous nations ?
I do n't think so .
This headline should be " PayPal suspended in India " .
I realize it affects Indian users in a way that primarily benefits PayPal in the short-term , but the fact is that it is PayPal who is now prevented from operating in a large market .
India and its users will find or create alternative services .
Hell , I hope they come up with some very strong alternatives so that Americans can stop using PayPal too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Geez, talk about anglo-centrism.
Some little turd of an American corporation has the power to suspend one of the world's most populous nations?
I don't think so.
This headline should be "PayPal suspended in India".
I realize it affects Indian users in a way that primarily benefits PayPal in the short-term, but the fact is that it is PayPal who is now prevented from operating in a large market.
India and its users will find or create alternative services.
Hell, I hope they come up with some very strong alternatives so that Americans can stop using PayPal too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082176</id>
	<title>Re:Analog tech...</title>
	<author>iammani</author>
	<datestamp>1265738160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The aim is not to stop remittances, but to permit remittances only if the required paper work has been submitted (Which is very simple one page form, asking for sender and receiver details (name, address, identity proof) and reason for transfer). <br> <br>

The RBI (Reserve Bank of India) mandates banks registered in India to collect these before forex transfers can be made. <br> <br>

In this case, paypal doesnt want to be registered as a bank and fall under RBI regulations. As a result have been banned. I am surprise it did not happen earlier.<br> <br>

And just to make it clear, SWIFT Transfer (also called wire transfer) and mailing checks/DDs will continue to work. There are no options send/receive money order to/from India</htmltext>
<tokenext>The aim is not to stop remittances , but to permit remittances only if the required paper work has been submitted ( Which is very simple one page form , asking for sender and receiver details ( name , address , identity proof ) and reason for transfer ) .
The RBI ( Reserve Bank of India ) mandates banks registered in India to collect these before forex transfers can be made .
In this case , paypal doesnt want to be registered as a bank and fall under RBI regulations .
As a result have been banned .
I am surprise it did not happen earlier .
And just to make it clear , SWIFT Transfer ( also called wire transfer ) and mailing checks/DDs will continue to work .
There are no options send/receive money order to/from India</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The aim is not to stop remittances, but to permit remittances only if the required paper work has been submitted (Which is very simple one page form, asking for sender and receiver details (name, address, identity proof) and reason for transfer).
The RBI (Reserve Bank of India) mandates banks registered in India to collect these before forex transfers can be made.
In this case, paypal doesnt want to be registered as a bank and fall under RBI regulations.
As a result have been banned.
I am surprise it did not happen earlier.
And just to make it clear, SWIFT Transfer (also called wire transfer) and mailing checks/DDs will continue to work.
There are no options send/receive money order to/from India</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082050</id>
	<title>Analog tech...</title>
	<author>eparker05</author>
	<datestamp>1265736960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While PayPal may be convenient, shutting down paypal will not stop remittences. People can simply place a check in an envelope and mail it. Money orders are also an option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While PayPal may be convenient , shutting down paypal will not stop remittences .
People can simply place a check in an envelope and mail it .
Money orders are also an option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While PayPal may be convenient, shutting down paypal will not stop remittences.
People can simply place a check in an envelope and mail it.
Money orders are also an option.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083192</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?? Indian politicians are nuts, just nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265017140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not when the "FOREIGN CAPITAL" exchange service skirts the rules of responsible financial governance... or funds terrorism.</p><p>Paypal is not the only option and they should learn to play by the rules the makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not when the " FOREIGN CAPITAL " exchange service skirts the rules of responsible financial governance... or funds terrorism.Paypal is not the only option and they should learn to play by the rules the makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not when the "FOREIGN CAPITAL" exchange service skirts the rules of responsible financial governance... or funds terrorism.Paypal is not the only option and they should learn to play by the rules the makes sense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082290</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31181034</id>
	<title>Re:experience from my recent trip to India</title>
	<author>stub667</author>
	<datestamp>1266523620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which would be particularly annoying if your next stop was Nepal, where 500 and 1000 rupee notes are not considered legal tender and technically an offence to bring into the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which would be particularly annoying if your next stop was Nepal , where 500 and 1000 rupee notes are not considered legal tender and technically an offence to bring into the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which would be particularly annoying if your next stop was Nepal, where 500 and 1000 rupee notes are not considered legal tender and technically an offence to bring into the country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083094</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082940</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?? Indian politicians are nuts, just nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265057400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>THANK you. COME again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>THANK you .
COME again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THANK you.
COME again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082290</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082546</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265743200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes this is true but until terrorism and the funding of it by these means is stopped you will never have a world system. What makes one person believe that they have more right to live than another is beyond me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes this is true but until terrorism and the funding of it by these means is stopped you will never have a world system .
What makes one person believe that they have more right to live than another is beyond me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes this is true but until terrorism and the funding of it by these means is stopped you will never have a world system.
What makes one person believe that they have more right to live than another is beyond me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082194</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>GoochOwnsYou</author>
	<datestamp>1265738340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".</p> </div><p>Mr Bean works for PayPal? Well I guess that explains alot</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something akin to " golly gee we 're not sure what happened but we 're looking into it " .
Mr Bean works for PayPal ?
Well I guess that explains alot</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".
Mr Bean works for PayPal?
Well I guess that explains alot
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082020</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31084304</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265031060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.</p></div><p> Replace government defence and security services with non-profit global foundations, since the only reason the defence services are required is the xenophobic, idealistic or mad government (individuals) case. For the rest there should be court like places for settling differences. This would give rise to a global unified legal system. No wonder the US is fighting so hard against the likes of Al-Qaeda as they apparently fight for control of the "hearts and minds" (a taste of shit accidentally entered my mouth as I wrote that) of this future world.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* physical defense and security being the only notable exception .
Replace government defence and security services with non-profit global foundations , since the only reason the defence services are required is the xenophobic , idealistic or mad government ( individuals ) case .
For the rest there should be court like places for settling differences .
This would give rise to a global unified legal system .
No wonder the US is fighting so hard against the likes of Al-Qaeda as they apparently fight for control of the " hearts and minds " ( a taste of shit accidentally entered my mouth as I wrote that ) of this future world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.
Replace government defence and security services with non-profit global foundations, since the only reason the defence services are required is the xenophobic, idealistic or mad government (individuals) case.
For the rest there should be court like places for settling differences.
This would give rise to a global unified legal system.
No wonder the US is fighting so hard against the likes of Al-Qaeda as they apparently fight for control of the "hearts and minds" (a taste of shit accidentally entered my mouth as I wrote that) of this future world.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083982</id>
	<title>Bottom line</title>
	<author>sictransitgloriacfa</author>
	<datestamp>1265027340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know if it's the Reserve Bank of India or PayPal who's most at fault for this situation, but regardless, it's certainly a great way to extend the recession. How many Indian entrepreneurs will go out of business waiting for this to be resolved?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it 's the Reserve Bank of India or PayPal who 's most at fault for this situation , but regardless , it 's certainly a great way to extend the recession .
How many Indian entrepreneurs will go out of business waiting for this to be resolved ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it's the Reserve Bank of India or PayPal who's most at fault for this situation, but regardless, it's certainly a great way to extend the recession.
How many Indian entrepreneurs will go out of business waiting for this to be resolved?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082290</id>
	<title>WTF?? Indian politicians are nuts, just nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265740020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo!  India politicians!  Another word for remittances is: FOREIGN CAPITAL.  They're a GOOD THING.  You want your citizens to GET LOTS OF THEM.  Getting foreign money into your country is a FREE LUNCH.  It's the reason your EXPORT STUFF.</p><p>My god.  I shake my head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo !
India politicians !
Another word for remittances is : FOREIGN CAPITAL .
They 're a GOOD THING .
You want your citizens to GET LOTS OF THEM .
Getting foreign money into your country is a FREE LUNCH .
It 's the reason your EXPORT STUFF.My god .
I shake my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo!
India politicians!
Another word for remittances is: FOREIGN CAPITAL.
They're a GOOD THING.
You want your citizens to GET LOTS OF THEM.
Getting foreign money into your country is a FREE LUNCH.
It's the reason your EXPORT STUFF.My god.
I shake my head.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31084080</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1265028300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Isn't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago? Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".</p></div></blockquote><p>If the government blocked it, and told them not to tell anybody, they're hardly likely to answer "The government told us to do it, but they also said to keep quiet about it".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago ?
Something akin to " golly gee we 're not sure what happened but we 're looking into it " .If the government blocked it , and told them not to tell anybody , they 're hardly likely to answer " The government told us to do it , but they also said to keep quiet about it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago?
Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".If the government blocked it, and told them not to tell anybody, they're hardly likely to answer "The government told us to do it, but they also said to keep quiet about it".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082020</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083594</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?? Indian politicians are nuts, just nuts</title>
	<author>pkphilip</author>
	<datestamp>1265022720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Foreign capital is fine. India has multiple options for transferring capital to India. What the regulators don't want is unregulated transfers happening - possibly due to the old bogey of terrorism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Foreign capital is fine .
India has multiple options for transferring capital to India .
What the regulators do n't want is unregulated transfers happening - possibly due to the old bogey of terrorism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foreign capital is fine.
India has multiple options for transferring capital to India.
What the regulators don't want is unregulated transfers happening - possibly due to the old bogey of terrorism.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082290</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082240</id>
	<title>OMG!</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1265739120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>God forbid that someone should give some money to someone else!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God forbid that someone should give some money to someone else !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God forbid that someone should give some money to someone else!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31084416</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265032380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"So that people who are envious of your physical resources don't all band together"</i></p><p>Also so that when you are envious of other people's physical resources, you can just go and get it (a practice covered under "protecting your interests").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" So that people who are envious of your physical resources do n't all band together " Also so that when you are envious of other people 's physical resources , you can just go and get it ( a practice covered under " protecting your interests " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"So that people who are envious of your physical resources don't all band together"Also so that when you are envious of other people's physical resources, you can just go and get it (a practice covered under "protecting your interests").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082020</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>digitalunity</author>
	<datestamp>1265736540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago? Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".</p><p>On another note, this applies to private transactions only, not commercial ones. This directly affects any freelancers who aren't operating as a company though, such as Rent-A-Coder, et. al.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago ?
Something akin to " golly gee we 're not sure what happened but we 're looking into it " .On another note , this applies to private transactions only , not commercial ones .
This directly affects any freelancers who are n't operating as a company though , such as Rent-A-Coder , et .
al .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this in direct contradiction to something PayPal said a day or two ago?
Something akin to "golly gee we're not sure what happened but we're looking into it".On another note, this applies to private transactions only, not commercial ones.
This directly affects any freelancers who aren't operating as a company though, such as Rent-A-Coder, et.
al.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082074</id>
	<title>My conspiracy theory</title>
	<author>BhaKi</author>
	<datestamp>1265737200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>All of the last 5 stories on Slashdot that portray India negatively have come from IDG news service. Sounds like the beginnings of another propaganda campaign.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of the last 5 stories on Slashdot that portray India negatively have come from IDG news service .
Sounds like the beginnings of another propaganda campaign .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of the last 5 stories on Slashdot that portray India negatively have come from IDG news service.
Sounds like the beginnings of another propaganda campaign.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082670</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265745360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>only notable exceptions are physical defense and security?   How about the rule of law?</p><p>As of this very day, there has never been a time on this planet where communication between individuals has been cheaper or more widespread. Yet xenophobia, racism and religious intolerance has not waned.  <br>
&nbsp; You should get out of your mothers basement more often.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>only notable exceptions are physical defense and security ?
How about the rule of law ? As of this very day , there has never been a time on this planet where communication between individuals has been cheaper or more widespread .
Yet xenophobia , racism and religious intolerance has not waned .
  You should get out of your mothers basement more often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>only notable exceptions are physical defense and security?
How about the rule of law?As of this very day, there has never been a time on this planet where communication between individuals has been cheaper or more widespread.
Yet xenophobia, racism and religious intolerance has not waned.
  You should get out of your mothers basement more often.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082648</id>
	<title>So how will they pay their employees?</title>
	<author>nmos</author>
	<datestamp>1265745180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess we can assume their customer service will be even more useless than usual now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess we can assume their customer service will be even more useless than usual now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess we can assume their customer service will be even more useless than usual now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082610</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265744460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>?</p><p>1- PayPal is a poster case of why governments are needed: freezing, canceling, hijacking accounts with no rhyme, reason, nor customer service. Just imagine if banks where free to keep your cash 'coz they no longer like you. I'll use PayPal once it is regulated, meself.</p><p>2- In some countries, the government is not only about regional control and protection. Education, Health, Retirement, Social Security... To my unprofessional eyes, governments do not seem to do much worse than the private sector in those domains, on average. I'd rather study, be sick, retire or be on the dole in France than in the US.</p><p>3- Countries exist because it is easier to feel close to people with the same language and culture.</p><p>Have you traveled at all ? Not as a tourist, but staying for moth than a month in a different country, working with locals ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>? 1- PayPal is a poster case of why governments are needed : freezing , canceling , hijacking accounts with no rhyme , reason , nor customer service .
Just imagine if banks where free to keep your cash 'coz they no longer like you .
I 'll use PayPal once it is regulated , meself.2- In some countries , the government is not only about regional control and protection .
Education , Health , Retirement , Social Security... To my unprofessional eyes , governments do not seem to do much worse than the private sector in those domains , on average .
I 'd rather study , be sick , retire or be on the dole in France than in the US.3- Countries exist because it is easier to feel close to people with the same language and culture.Have you traveled at all ?
Not as a tourist , but staying for moth than a month in a different country , working with locals ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>?1- PayPal is a poster case of why governments are needed: freezing, canceling, hijacking accounts with no rhyme, reason, nor customer service.
Just imagine if banks where free to keep your cash 'coz they no longer like you.
I'll use PayPal once it is regulated, meself.2- In some countries, the government is not only about regional control and protection.
Education, Health, Retirement, Social Security... To my unprofessional eyes, governments do not seem to do much worse than the private sector in those domains, on average.
I'd rather study, be sick, retire or be on the dole in France than in the US.3- Countries exist because it is easier to feel close to people with the same language and culture.Have you traveled at all ?
Not as a tourist, but staying for moth than a month in a different country, working with locals ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082138</id>
	<title>Re:My conspiracy theory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265737860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My, how our mental filters reveal who we really are!  Frankly, I thought this was an article about how Paypal is a despicable scofflaw yet again, this time with the Indian government, who presumably are not bought and paid for like Western politicians and who are not putting up with Paypal's latest nonsense.  But hey, you got a persecution complex, let it all hang out.  Use words like 'colonialism', 'empire', and 'hegemony' for maximum effect and you'll have a crowd following you in no time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My , how our mental filters reveal who we really are !
Frankly , I thought this was an article about how Paypal is a despicable scofflaw yet again , this time with the Indian government , who presumably are not bought and paid for like Western politicians and who are not putting up with Paypal 's latest nonsense .
But hey , you got a persecution complex , let it all hang out .
Use words like 'colonialism ' , 'empire ' , and 'hegemony ' for maximum effect and you 'll have a crowd following you in no time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My, how our mental filters reveal who we really are!
Frankly, I thought this was an article about how Paypal is a despicable scofflaw yet again, this time with the Indian government, who presumably are not bought and paid for like Western politicians and who are not putting up with Paypal's latest nonsense.
But hey, you got a persecution complex, let it all hang out.
Use words like 'colonialism', 'empire', and 'hegemony' for maximum effect and you'll have a crowd following you in no time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082074</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082690</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>AnotherUsername</author>
	<datestamp>1265054520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>- why exactly do we need massive percentages (10-50\%) of our resources funneled
to maintain the state and state-run defense and services?</p></div><p>Because, believe it or not, there is life outside of the Internet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>- why exactly do we need massive percentages ( 10-50 \ % ) of our resources funneled to maintain the state and state-run defense and services ? Because , believe it or not , there is life outside of the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- why exactly do we need massive percentages (10-50\%) of our resources funneled
to maintain the state and state-run defense and services?Because, believe it or not, there is life outside of the Internet.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082564</id>
	<title>Re:Analog tech...</title>
	<author>rmathew</author>
	<datestamp>1265743560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala" title="wikipedia.org">Hawala</a> [wikipedia.org] system is the biggest source of unregulated remittances in these parts. At least with PayPal the RBI can track who gives money to whom when required.
<br>
PS: It is spelt "<a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remittance" title="merriam-webster.com">remittance</a> [merriam-webster.com]".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed the Hawala [ wikipedia.org ] system is the biggest source of unregulated remittances in these parts .
At least with PayPal the RBI can track who gives money to whom when required .
PS : It is spelt " remittance [ merriam-webster.com ] " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed the Hawala [wikipedia.org] system is the biggest source of unregulated remittances in these parts.
At least with PayPal the RBI can track who gives money to whom when required.
PS: It is spelt "remittance [merriam-webster.com]".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082050</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082228</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>avilliers</author>
	<datestamp>1265738760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The necessary reasons for countries as they exist today mostly go away when the Internet fully connects individuals.* Obsolescence is a terrible thing for bureaucracy, but can be framed as the primary driver of most "issues" governments have with the Internet.</p><p>* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.</p></div><p>Can you give one example of a core role that becomes obsolete?  I assume there must be something.  The post?  That was a core role a couple centuries ago, I guess.</p><p>Most state funds go to transportation infrastructure, "physical defense" (ie, military), law enforcement &amp; prisons, education, health care, retirement pensions and other social safety nets (not in that order).  Research funding, parks, civil courts, disaster recovery aid &amp; regulatory enforcement and the like are a few of the other less-expensive things that get money.</p><p>*None* of those vanish when the internet connects individuals.  [I understand that some will pick their least favorite (the military, or the social safety net) and say the government shouldn't be doing it anyway, but that desire's independent of 'connectivity'.]  A few clerks may lose their jobs due to on-line requests being filled, but I'm not even sure what people are imagining when they think the internet will somehow obsolete governments--let alone why a state bureaucrat would be living in existential dread.</p><p>I assume this particular case boils down to people evading taxation, which is going to be an issue as long as the government spends any money at all.  It'll be, unavoidably, the very last state function that becomes obsolete.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The necessary reasons for countries as they exist today mostly go away when the Internet fully connects individuals .
* Obsolescence is a terrible thing for bureaucracy , but can be framed as the primary driver of most " issues " governments have with the Internet .
* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.Can you give one example of a core role that becomes obsolete ?
I assume there must be something .
The post ?
That was a core role a couple centuries ago , I guess.Most state funds go to transportation infrastructure , " physical defense " ( ie , military ) , law enforcement &amp; prisons , education , health care , retirement pensions and other social safety nets ( not in that order ) .
Research funding , parks , civil courts , disaster recovery aid &amp; regulatory enforcement and the like are a few of the other less-expensive things that get money .
* None * of those vanish when the internet connects individuals .
[ I understand that some will pick their least favorite ( the military , or the social safety net ) and say the government should n't be doing it anyway , but that desire 's independent of 'connectivity' .
] A few clerks may lose their jobs due to on-line requests being filled , but I 'm not even sure what people are imagining when they think the internet will somehow obsolete governments--let alone why a state bureaucrat would be living in existential dread.I assume this particular case boils down to people evading taxation , which is going to be an issue as long as the government spends any money at all .
It 'll be , unavoidably , the very last state function that becomes obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The necessary reasons for countries as they exist today mostly go away when the Internet fully connects individuals.
* Obsolescence is a terrible thing for bureaucracy, but can be framed as the primary driver of most "issues" governments have with the Internet.
* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.Can you give one example of a core role that becomes obsolete?
I assume there must be something.
The post?
That was a core role a couple centuries ago, I guess.Most state funds go to transportation infrastructure, "physical defense" (ie, military), law enforcement &amp; prisons, education, health care, retirement pensions and other social safety nets (not in that order).
Research funding, parks, civil courts, disaster recovery aid &amp; regulatory enforcement and the like are a few of the other less-expensive things that get money.
*None* of those vanish when the internet connects individuals.
[I understand that some will pick their least favorite (the military, or the social safety net) and say the government shouldn't be doing it anyway, but that desire's independent of 'connectivity'.
]  A few clerks may lose their jobs due to on-line requests being filled, but I'm not even sure what people are imagining when they think the internet will somehow obsolete governments--let alone why a state bureaucrat would be living in existential dread.I assume this particular case boils down to people evading taxation, which is going to be an issue as long as the government spends any money at all.
It'll be, unavoidably, the very last state function that becomes obsolete.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082016</id>
	<title>Paypal is a mess</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265736540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope they get in the crap with even more countries and are forced to do stuff like this, maybe eventually they'll have to declare themselves as an actual bank and give their users rights over their money for a change. There is so much dubious crap buried in the terms and conditions that none save a seasoned lawyer would figure out, and so many stories of people being royally screwed over by paypal (eg bank accounts being wiped out for no apparent reason)...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they get in the crap with even more countries and are forced to do stuff like this , maybe eventually they 'll have to declare themselves as an actual bank and give their users rights over their money for a change .
There is so much dubious crap buried in the terms and conditions that none save a seasoned lawyer would figure out , and so many stories of people being royally screwed over by paypal ( eg bank accounts being wiped out for no apparent reason ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they get in the crap with even more countries and are forced to do stuff like this, maybe eventually they'll have to declare themselves as an actual bank and give their users rights over their money for a change.
There is so much dubious crap buried in the terms and conditions that none save a seasoned lawyer would figure out, and so many stories of people being royally screwed over by paypal (eg bank accounts being wiped out for no apparent reason)...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082998</id>
	<title>not State vs Internet, world vs paypal.</title>
	<author>1s44c</author>
	<datestamp>1265057820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right in what you say but you are missing the story here. Paypal isn't a money transfer service like it pretends to be, it's a bunch of crooks pretending to be a bank.</p><p>Paypal deserves to go bust and its management thrown in jail for the very many instances of theft they have committed over the years.</p><p>Anyone that hasn't seen the near endless stories about paypal closing accounts and keeping the cash for the most flimsy reason should exercise their googling skills.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right in what you say but you are missing the story here .
Paypal is n't a money transfer service like it pretends to be , it 's a bunch of crooks pretending to be a bank.Paypal deserves to go bust and its management thrown in jail for the very many instances of theft they have committed over the years.Anyone that has n't seen the near endless stories about paypal closing accounts and keeping the cash for the most flimsy reason should exercise their googling skills .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right in what you say but you are missing the story here.
Paypal isn't a money transfer service like it pretends to be, it's a bunch of crooks pretending to be a bank.Paypal deserves to go bust and its management thrown in jail for the very many instances of theft they have committed over the years.Anyone that hasn't seen the near endless stories about paypal closing accounts and keeping the cash for the most flimsy reason should exercise their googling skills.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31091528</id>
	<title>Re:Paypal is a mess</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1265022120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I hope they get in the crap with even more countries and are forced to do stuff like this, maybe eventually they'll have to declare themselves as an actual bank</i> </p><p>I hope not - God help us if that happens, because the reason banks are unable to compete and become as useful as PayPal is that they're crippled by over-regulation (yeah I know it's unpopular to say that in today's "banks are teh evil, pitchforks against the banks!!1!" culture, but people are over-reacting). Be careful what you wish for: The fact is, that thing you cry out for is precisely what would destroy PayPal if you ever got your wish, and then you'll wish there was a PayPal. I live in a country where PayPal isn't available precisely because of government over-regulation (hangover from dictatorship days where government tried to watch and control every movement people made with their money), and if you'd prefer to trade places with me and have have no PayPal at all instead of the current crappy one, I'd be very happy to do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they get in the crap with even more countries and are forced to do stuff like this , maybe eventually they 'll have to declare themselves as an actual bank I hope not - God help us if that happens , because the reason banks are unable to compete and become as useful as PayPal is that they 're crippled by over-regulation ( yeah I know it 's unpopular to say that in today 's " banks are teh evil , pitchforks against the banks ! ! 1 !
" culture , but people are over-reacting ) .
Be careful what you wish for : The fact is , that thing you cry out for is precisely what would destroy PayPal if you ever got your wish , and then you 'll wish there was a PayPal .
I live in a country where PayPal is n't available precisely because of government over-regulation ( hangover from dictatorship days where government tried to watch and control every movement people made with their money ) , and if you 'd prefer to trade places with me and have have no PayPal at all instead of the current crappy one , I 'd be very happy to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I hope they get in the crap with even more countries and are forced to do stuff like this, maybe eventually they'll have to declare themselves as an actual bank I hope not - God help us if that happens, because the reason banks are unable to compete and become as useful as PayPal is that they're crippled by over-regulation (yeah I know it's unpopular to say that in today's "banks are teh evil, pitchforks against the banks!!1!
" culture, but people are over-reacting).
Be careful what you wish for: The fact is, that thing you cry out for is precisely what would destroy PayPal if you ever got your wish, and then you'll wish there was a PayPal.
I live in a country where PayPal isn't available precisely because of government over-regulation (hangover from dictatorship days where government tried to watch and control every movement people made with their money), and if you'd prefer to trade places with me and have have no PayPal at all instead of the current crappy one, I'd be very happy to do so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082096</id>
	<title>Money laundering...</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1265737440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and tax evasion IMHO is what this is really going to be about sooner or later.</p><p>Paypal allows ones to hide funds from governments of the world as a non bank institution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and tax evasion IMHO is what this is really going to be about sooner or later.Paypal allows ones to hide funds from governments of the world as a non bank institution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and tax evasion IMHO is what this is really going to be about sooner or later.Paypal allows ones to hide funds from governments of the world as a non bank institution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082854</id>
	<title>Whats that heading anyways ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh..oh.. The news heading itself is misleading. "India Suspended from PayPal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...." Shouldn't it be simply "PayPal made to stop remittance to india..."<br>News if not told clearly can be useless !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh..oh.. The news heading itself is misleading .
" India Suspended from PayPal .... " Should n't it be simply " PayPal made to stop remittance to india... " News if not told clearly can be useless !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh..oh.. The news heading itself is misleading.
"India Suspended from PayPal ...." Shouldn't it be simply "PayPal made to stop remittance to india..."News if not told clearly can be useless !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082122</id>
	<title>So ...</title>
	<author>wisnoskij</author>
	<datestamp>1265737740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So is it illegal to transfer money into India? or do they just highly monitor all ways to do this (other then paypal)?<br> <br>
I fail to see how such a policy is worth the economic problems of shuting down paypal for a whole country must of caused.<br> And I am sure most of the people currently doing the remittances have probably been doing it for quite awhile, so why were they is such a rush that they could not have "fixed" their system without shutting down paypal in the mean time?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So is it illegal to transfer money into India ?
or do they just highly monitor all ways to do this ( other then paypal ) ?
I fail to see how such a policy is worth the economic problems of shuting down paypal for a whole country must of caused .
And I am sure most of the people currently doing the remittances have probably been doing it for quite awhile , so why were they is such a rush that they could not have " fixed " their system without shutting down paypal in the mean time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So is it illegal to transfer money into India?
or do they just highly monitor all ways to do this (other then paypal)?
I fail to see how such a policy is worth the economic problems of shuting down paypal for a whole country must of caused.
And I am sure most of the people currently doing the remittances have probably been doing it for quite awhile, so why were they is such a rush that they could not have "fixed" their system without shutting down paypal in the mean time?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082180</id>
	<title>Re:Analog tech...</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1265738160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The goal is not to stop remittances, to the goal is to enforce Indian law.  This "the bomber will always get through" attitude is puzzling, to say the least.  Sure, you can "fall back to analog tech" as you crudely put it.  Are you really suggesting to send an instrument of financial value through India Post?  Are you daft, sir?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The goal is not to stop remittances , to the goal is to enforce Indian law .
This " the bomber will always get through " attitude is puzzling , to say the least .
Sure , you can " fall back to analog tech " as you crudely put it .
Are you really suggesting to send an instrument of financial value through India Post ?
Are you daft , sir ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The goal is not to stop remittances, to the goal is to enforce Indian law.
This "the bomber will always get through" attitude is puzzling, to say the least.
Sure, you can "fall back to analog tech" as you crudely put it.
Are you really suggesting to send an instrument of financial value through India Post?
Are you daft, sir?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083622</id>
	<title>It's about two things. . .</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1265023020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Number 1:</p><p>It's about taxes.  When a huge amount of money is moving through a specific channel, the government will <i>always</i> attempt to tax it.</p><p>Number 2:</p><p>It's about social control.  India must be suppressed.  Right now, slave labor in India is one of the great engines driving it's growing economy.  The longer that lasts, the better India will be off down the road.  (The Hoover Dam is an American example; even though it cost a ton of cash, the workers at the time were barely being paid because it was a time in America's history of slave labor.  If you tried to build another Hoover Dam today, you probably couldn't afford it because construction workers are unionized and have a standard of living many levels above, "Shanty Town".)</p><p>Number 3 (Bonus!):</p><p>India's predominant genetics aren't supposed to survive.  That's reserved for China.  Chinese people make better fear-driven drones than East Indians, or anyone for that matter.  East Indians are marked for harvesting.  (Or that's my current theory, anyway.)  Money being funneled in through the internet increases attraction to the WWW and the ability to get on it, which in turn gives people access to information.  Information is power, and India hasn't been sufficiently doped up, brain washed and debt-ridden to be allowed access to power.  Heck, they might actually DO something with it!</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Number 1 : It 's about taxes .
When a huge amount of money is moving through a specific channel , the government will always attempt to tax it.Number 2 : It 's about social control .
India must be suppressed .
Right now , slave labor in India is one of the great engines driving it 's growing economy .
The longer that lasts , the better India will be off down the road .
( The Hoover Dam is an American example ; even though it cost a ton of cash , the workers at the time were barely being paid because it was a time in America 's history of slave labor .
If you tried to build another Hoover Dam today , you probably could n't afford it because construction workers are unionized and have a standard of living many levels above , " Shanty Town " .
) Number 3 ( Bonus !
) : India 's predominant genetics are n't supposed to survive .
That 's reserved for China .
Chinese people make better fear-driven drones than East Indians , or anyone for that matter .
East Indians are marked for harvesting .
( Or that 's my current theory , anyway .
) Money being funneled in through the internet increases attraction to the WWW and the ability to get on it , which in turn gives people access to information .
Information is power , and India has n't been sufficiently doped up , brain washed and debt-ridden to be allowed access to power .
Heck , they might actually DO something with it ! -FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number 1:It's about taxes.
When a huge amount of money is moving through a specific channel, the government will always attempt to tax it.Number 2:It's about social control.
India must be suppressed.
Right now, slave labor in India is one of the great engines driving it's growing economy.
The longer that lasts, the better India will be off down the road.
(The Hoover Dam is an American example; even though it cost a ton of cash, the workers at the time were barely being paid because it was a time in America's history of slave labor.
If you tried to build another Hoover Dam today, you probably couldn't afford it because construction workers are unionized and have a standard of living many levels above, "Shanty Town".
)Number 3 (Bonus!
):India's predominant genetics aren't supposed to survive.
That's reserved for China.
Chinese people make better fear-driven drones than East Indians, or anyone for that matter.
East Indians are marked for harvesting.
(Or that's my current theory, anyway.
)  Money being funneled in through the internet increases attraction to the WWW and the ability to get on it, which in turn gives people access to information.
Information is power, and India hasn't been sufficiently doped up, brain washed and debt-ridden to be allowed access to power.
Heck, they might actually DO something with it!-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083696</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265023920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF Paypal</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF Paypal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF Paypal</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082586</id>
	<title>paypal lol</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1265744100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>i do not know why people even use that anymore. anyone can get some form of a cc in today's world. in the 90s it had its use for those without a major cc. now any bank will give you a debit. don't have a bank acccount then go grab one of those visa prepaid cards they work anywhere on anything. PayPal just adds the ability to click an buy. but i would rather have the abilty to controle my money in case of scams and if that means filling out a order form when i buy something then well thats what i do. as its been said paypal whats to be a bank but does not what to be regulated.  and theirs many reasions for that. there loan rates would have to be standard no more random locking of peoples accounts. they would need to be insured. and probly more i cant think of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i do not know why people even use that anymore .
anyone can get some form of a cc in today 's world .
in the 90s it had its use for those without a major cc .
now any bank will give you a debit .
do n't have a bank acccount then go grab one of those visa prepaid cards they work anywhere on anything .
PayPal just adds the ability to click an buy .
but i would rather have the abilty to controle my money in case of scams and if that means filling out a order form when i buy something then well thats what i do .
as its been said paypal whats to be a bank but does not what to be regulated .
and theirs many reasions for that .
there loan rates would have to be standard no more random locking of peoples accounts .
they would need to be insured .
and probly more i cant think of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i do not know why people even use that anymore.
anyone can get some form of a cc in today's world.
in the 90s it had its use for those without a major cc.
now any bank will give you a debit.
don't have a bank acccount then go grab one of those visa prepaid cards they work anywhere on anything.
PayPal just adds the ability to click an buy.
but i would rather have the abilty to controle my money in case of scams and if that means filling out a order form when i buy something then well thats what i do.
as its been said paypal whats to be a bank but does not what to be regulated.
and theirs many reasions for that.
there loan rates would have to be standard no more random locking of peoples accounts.
they would need to be insured.
and probly more i cant think of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31084544</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?? Indian politicians are nuts, just nuts</title>
	<author>BlackCobra43</author>
	<datestamp>1265033400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could not help myself but read your comment in the "Brawndo" advertisement style.<br> <br>

FOREIGN CAPITAL - except the capital is 300 FEET TALL AND COVERED IN CHAINSAWS</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could not help myself but read your comment in the " Brawndo " advertisement style .
FOREIGN CAPITAL - except the capital is 300 FEET TALL AND COVERED IN CHAINSAWS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could not help myself but read your comment in the "Brawndo" advertisement style.
FOREIGN CAPITAL - except the capital is 300 FEET TALL AND COVERED IN CHAINSAWS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082112</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1265737620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; This directly affects any freelancers who aren't operating as a company though, such as Rent-A-Coder, et. al.</p><p>Ahhh, we can finally raise our rates to American ones, thanks...</p><p>You know it takes a lot of money to live here, don't you ?</p><p>I am not saying this really seriously of course<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-))</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; This directly affects any freelancers who are n't operating as a company though , such as Rent-A-Coder , et .
al.Ahhh , we can finally raise our rates to American ones , thanks...You know it takes a lot of money to live here , do n't you ? I am not saying this really seriously of course ; - ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; This directly affects any freelancers who aren't operating as a company though, such as Rent-A-Coder, et.
al.Ahhh, we can finally raise our rates to American ones, thanks...You know it takes a lot of money to live here, don't you ?I am not saying this really seriously of course ;-))</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082226</id>
	<title>Re:My conspiracy theory</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1265738760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What negative portrayal of India is there here?</p><p>Seriously, there's nothing negative at all in any of those links (well I'm sure there is in the comments on the link to another slashdot article, but that article itself isn't) or in the summary.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What negative portrayal of India is there here ? Seriously , there 's nothing negative at all in any of those links ( well I 'm sure there is in the comments on the link to another slashdot article , but that article itself is n't ) or in the summary .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>What negative portrayal of India is there here?Seriously, there's nothing negative at all in any of those links (well I'm sure there is in the comments on the link to another slashdot article, but that article itself isn't) or in the summary.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31091386</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1265021460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>PayPal is a poster case of why governments are needed: freezing, canceling, hijacking accounts with no rhyme, reason, nor customer service. Just imagine if banks where free to keep your cash 'coz they no longer like you.</p></div><p>Actually, I'm afraid you're wrong --- think about it a bit: Firstly, banks, like PayPal, would go out of business quickly if they randomly grabbed money from peoples' accounts (PayPal may 'freeze' accounts and hang on to money for a long time, but it has never just purposely stolen money from its users willy-nilly). So banks have an *incentive* to manage your money well *even* in the absence of government regulation (yeah yeah don't tell me about the credit crunch - that is another story we can dig deeper into). Secondly, the very reason PayPal can act the way it does with relative abandon *is* that it has very little competition, and the very reason it has very little competition is the ridiculous amounts of banking-related regulation in the first place (this India incident, in case you didn't notice, is caused by onerous regulation by a government afraid of capital flight). So too much government regulation has caused this problem of PayPal's behaviour, and you think the answer is 'even more government regulation'. That is the fallacy of regulation --- people think that when it's not working, you need *even more* --- it's an ever downward spiral into massive burueacracies, and why the state is now bigger than it's been in a long time.</p><p>I live in a borderline-fascist country where PayPal isn't available, due to onerous government regulation. Do you really believe your life would be better if PayPal didn't exist, and was just another crappy bank? You're welcome to come live where I do, where instead of "suffering" with the likes PayPal, you can have the option of <b>nothing at all</b>, thanks to the government regulation you desire so much. I'll <b>gladly</b> trade places with you, and have PayPal access, that will help my business grow.</p><p>I have travelled extensively, so I'm not sure your point there.</p><p>The dole? I also would never want to be on the dole, thank you - I think it's immoral to take someone else's money like that - I was raised with values that preclude theft, and I would never be able to live with myself; I'd rather be able to sleep the peaceful sleep of a man who knows he has earned his money.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>PayPal is a poster case of why governments are needed : freezing , canceling , hijacking accounts with no rhyme , reason , nor customer service .
Just imagine if banks where free to keep your cash 'coz they no longer like you.Actually , I 'm afraid you 're wrong --- think about it a bit : Firstly , banks , like PayPal , would go out of business quickly if they randomly grabbed money from peoples ' accounts ( PayPal may 'freeze ' accounts and hang on to money for a long time , but it has never just purposely stolen money from its users willy-nilly ) .
So banks have an * incentive * to manage your money well * even * in the absence of government regulation ( yeah yeah do n't tell me about the credit crunch - that is another story we can dig deeper into ) .
Secondly , the very reason PayPal can act the way it does with relative abandon * is * that it has very little competition , and the very reason it has very little competition is the ridiculous amounts of banking-related regulation in the first place ( this India incident , in case you did n't notice , is caused by onerous regulation by a government afraid of capital flight ) .
So too much government regulation has caused this problem of PayPal 's behaviour , and you think the answer is 'even more government regulation' .
That is the fallacy of regulation --- people think that when it 's not working , you need * even more * --- it 's an ever downward spiral into massive burueacracies , and why the state is now bigger than it 's been in a long time.I live in a borderline-fascist country where PayPal is n't available , due to onerous government regulation .
Do you really believe your life would be better if PayPal did n't exist , and was just another crappy bank ?
You 're welcome to come live where I do , where instead of " suffering " with the likes PayPal , you can have the option of nothing at all , thanks to the government regulation you desire so much .
I 'll gladly trade places with you , and have PayPal access , that will help my business grow.I have travelled extensively , so I 'm not sure your point there.The dole ?
I also would never want to be on the dole , thank you - I think it 's immoral to take someone else 's money like that - I was raised with values that preclude theft , and I would never be able to live with myself ; I 'd rather be able to sleep the peaceful sleep of a man who knows he has earned his money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PayPal is a poster case of why governments are needed: freezing, canceling, hijacking accounts with no rhyme, reason, nor customer service.
Just imagine if banks where free to keep your cash 'coz they no longer like you.Actually, I'm afraid you're wrong --- think about it a bit: Firstly, banks, like PayPal, would go out of business quickly if they randomly grabbed money from peoples' accounts (PayPal may 'freeze' accounts and hang on to money for a long time, but it has never just purposely stolen money from its users willy-nilly).
So banks have an *incentive* to manage your money well *even* in the absence of government regulation (yeah yeah don't tell me about the credit crunch - that is another story we can dig deeper into).
Secondly, the very reason PayPal can act the way it does with relative abandon *is* that it has very little competition, and the very reason it has very little competition is the ridiculous amounts of banking-related regulation in the first place (this India incident, in case you didn't notice, is caused by onerous regulation by a government afraid of capital flight).
So too much government regulation has caused this problem of PayPal's behaviour, and you think the answer is 'even more government regulation'.
That is the fallacy of regulation --- people think that when it's not working, you need *even more* --- it's an ever downward spiral into massive burueacracies, and why the state is now bigger than it's been in a long time.I live in a borderline-fascist country where PayPal isn't available, due to onerous government regulation.
Do you really believe your life would be better if PayPal didn't exist, and was just another crappy bank?
You're welcome to come live where I do, where instead of "suffering" with the likes PayPal, you can have the option of nothing at all, thanks to the government regulation you desire so much.
I'll gladly trade places with you, and have PayPal access, that will help my business grow.I have travelled extensively, so I'm not sure your point there.The dole?
I also would never want to be on the dole, thank you - I think it's immoral to take someone else's money like that - I was raised with values that preclude theft, and I would never be able to live with myself; I'd rather be able to sleep the peaceful sleep of a man who knows he has earned his money.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083106</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Kris\_J</author>
	<datestamp>1265016000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paypal specialises in dodging regulation and being an arsehole. There may well be times when you can sing the praises of the wondrous capitalist market and how it solves everything, but this is not one of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paypal specialises in dodging regulation and being an arsehole .
There may well be times when you can sing the praises of the wondrous capitalist market and how it solves everything , but this is not one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paypal specialises in dodging regulation and being an arsehole.
There may well be times when you can sing the praises of the wondrous capitalist market and how it solves everything, but this is not one of them.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082144</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1265737860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was a miscommunication when the person called PayPal.  The call was forwarded to a call-center in India, and they couldn't understand the person's accent...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was a miscommunication when the person called PayPal .
The call was forwarded to a call-center in India , and they could n't understand the person 's accent.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a miscommunication when the person called PayPal.
The call was forwarded to a call-center in India, and they couldn't understand the person's accent...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31254278</id>
	<title>PayPal: Systemically dysfunctional to the core.</title>
	<author>PhilipCohen</author>
	<datestamp>1266937380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>PayPal and Bill Me Later offer banking-type services, services that would be more appropriately and competently carried out under the auspices of the banking community via their credit card company partners.

The simple fact is that without the bankers&rsquo; knowledge of the entities involved in the transactions, PayPal, or any other provider, will always be handicapped. Such non-bank providers can never guarantee anything for the buyer or seller.

The head turkey at eBay, &ldquo;Noise&rdquo; Donahoe, has occasionally talked of the possibility of offloading PayPal because he is just barely smart enough to know that when the major credit card companies do get off their butts and introduce a like card/terminal-less payments system to complement their credit card system, they will do it properly, and the dysfunctional and &ldquo;clunky&rdquo; PayPal will then sink like a stone&mdash;other than, possibly, on what is by then left of the Donahoe-ever-shrinking eBay marketplace.

If this turkey Donahoe has any brain at all he will be actively trying to sell PayPal to the banks to complement their credit card system; but I doubt the banks would want to lower their image any further by associating themselves with the likes of PayPal; not even for a peppercorn consideration would the banks touch such an incompetent amateur operation as PayPal, I suspect.

But, does anyone think that &ldquo;all the banks&rdquo; are not watching this market segment with interest, and is it possible that it (along with the upstart &ldquo;Bill Me Later&rdquo;) could well be having a negative effect on their credit card business? Why would &ldquo;the banks&rdquo; not be considering a like system to complement their existing card systems? After all, every internet banking user is already set up to receive such a service directly, efficiently and securely, from their bank. The simple fact is that anything that PayPal can do &ldquo;the banks&rdquo; can do better.

Do we then need to offer the banks and the major credit card companies another such monopoly-type situation? Ideally not. But, having said that, within the credit card system the individual banks do compete with each other on interest rates, etc.

Regardless, it would be nice to have a card/terminal-less system that worked effectively&mdash;as does the banks&rsquo; credit card system. Regrettably (or thankfully, some would say), PayPal does not have such a partnership with &ldquo;all the banks&rdquo; and so PayPal can never offer that same effectiveness.

My only surprise is that &ldquo;all the banks&rdquo;, via their credit card partners, have not yet announced their own system. When they do, it will be bye, bye, PayPal&mdash;you most ugly of children. And, more importantly, we will then have a system that works effectively, just like our credit cards do!

PayPal: Systemically dysfunctional to the core.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PayPal and Bill Me Later offer banking-type services , services that would be more appropriately and competently carried out under the auspices of the banking community via their credit card company partners .
The simple fact is that without the bankers    knowledge of the entities involved in the transactions , PayPal , or any other provider , will always be handicapped .
Such non-bank providers can never guarantee anything for the buyer or seller .
The head turkey at eBay ,    Noise    Donahoe , has occasionally talked of the possibility of offloading PayPal because he is just barely smart enough to know that when the major credit card companies do get off their butts and introduce a like card/terminal-less payments system to complement their credit card system , they will do it properly , and the dysfunctional and    clunky    PayPal will then sink like a stone    other than , possibly , on what is by then left of the Donahoe-ever-shrinking eBay marketplace .
If this turkey Donahoe has any brain at all he will be actively trying to sell PayPal to the banks to complement their credit card system ; but I doubt the banks would want to lower their image any further by associating themselves with the likes of PayPal ; not even for a peppercorn consideration would the banks touch such an incompetent amateur operation as PayPal , I suspect .
But , does anyone think that    all the banks    are not watching this market segment with interest , and is it possible that it ( along with the upstart    Bill Me Later    ) could well be having a negative effect on their credit card business ?
Why would    the banks    not be considering a like system to complement their existing card systems ?
After all , every internet banking user is already set up to receive such a service directly , efficiently and securely , from their bank .
The simple fact is that anything that PayPal can do    the banks    can do better .
Do we then need to offer the banks and the major credit card companies another such monopoly-type situation ?
Ideally not .
But , having said that , within the credit card system the individual banks do compete with each other on interest rates , etc .
Regardless , it would be nice to have a card/terminal-less system that worked effectively    as does the banks    credit card system .
Regrettably ( or thankfully , some would say ) , PayPal does not have such a partnership with    all the banks    and so PayPal can never offer that same effectiveness .
My only surprise is that    all the banks    , via their credit card partners , have not yet announced their own system .
When they do , it will be bye , bye , PayPal    you most ugly of children .
And , more importantly , we will then have a system that works effectively , just like our credit cards do !
PayPal : Systemically dysfunctional to the core .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PayPal and Bill Me Later offer banking-type services, services that would be more appropriately and competently carried out under the auspices of the banking community via their credit card company partners.
The simple fact is that without the bankers’ knowledge of the entities involved in the transactions, PayPal, or any other provider, will always be handicapped.
Such non-bank providers can never guarantee anything for the buyer or seller.
The head turkey at eBay, “Noise” Donahoe, has occasionally talked of the possibility of offloading PayPal because he is just barely smart enough to know that when the major credit card companies do get off their butts and introduce a like card/terminal-less payments system to complement their credit card system, they will do it properly, and the dysfunctional and “clunky” PayPal will then sink like a stone—other than, possibly, on what is by then left of the Donahoe-ever-shrinking eBay marketplace.
If this turkey Donahoe has any brain at all he will be actively trying to sell PayPal to the banks to complement their credit card system; but I doubt the banks would want to lower their image any further by associating themselves with the likes of PayPal; not even for a peppercorn consideration would the banks touch such an incompetent amateur operation as PayPal, I suspect.
But, does anyone think that “all the banks” are not watching this market segment with interest, and is it possible that it (along with the upstart “Bill Me Later”) could well be having a negative effect on their credit card business?
Why would “the banks” not be considering a like system to complement their existing card systems?
After all, every internet banking user is already set up to receive such a service directly, efficiently and securely, from their bank.
The simple fact is that anything that PayPal can do “the banks” can do better.
Do we then need to offer the banks and the major credit card companies another such monopoly-type situation?
Ideally not.
But, having said that, within the credit card system the individual banks do compete with each other on interest rates, etc.
Regardless, it would be nice to have a card/terminal-less system that worked effectively—as does the banks’ credit card system.
Regrettably (or thankfully, some would say), PayPal does not have such a partnership with “all the banks” and so PayPal can never offer that same effectiveness.
My only surprise is that “all the banks”, via their credit card partners, have not yet announced their own system.
When they do, it will be bye, bye, PayPal—you most ugly of children.
And, more importantly, we will then have a system that works effectively, just like our credit cards do!
PayPal: Systemically dysfunctional to the core.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083162</id>
	<title>Reminds me of a forum I was on a few years ago...</title>
	<author>Just Brew It!</author>
	<datestamp>1265016840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...where the site operator decided to block the entire country of Pakistan, in an attempt to get rid of a creepy cyberstalker who kept posting from Pakistani IPs. Shotgun approach!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p><p>(It didn't work; the guy just started using anonymous proxies located in other countries...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...where the site operator decided to block the entire country of Pakistan , in an attempt to get rid of a creepy cyberstalker who kept posting from Pakistani IPs .
Shotgun approach !
: D ( It did n't work ; the guy just started using anonymous proxies located in other countries... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...where the site operator decided to block the entire country of Pakistan, in an attempt to get rid of a creepy cyberstalker who kept posting from Pakistani IPs.
Shotgun approach!
:D(It didn't work; the guy just started using anonymous proxies located in other countries...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31088120</id>
	<title>Exactly</title>
	<author>tkrotchko</author>
	<datestamp>1265050380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'll use PayPal once it is regulated, meself."</p><p>So you tie your paypal account to a credit card, and every time you log in they say "Give us all your bank account information, that will be really convenient!".</p><p>And you wonder, who are they trying to kid?  Paypal answers to no one, and it appears they want access to your bank account not because it's convenient, but because when they deal with a credit card company, *there are federal laws that give you protections that PayPal would rather you not have*.</p><p>Like:  Right to dispute a charge, and PayPal has to answer within a short time or they lose<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Processes that must be followed, or else PayPal loses</p><p>And I'm supposed to give that up because... it's convenient?   I'll bet a lot of people have linked their bank account to these guys, too. I think that's a foolish mistake.  Once they have money from your bank, you're basically screwed.  You're at the whim of a low-level clerk at PayPal.  Thanks, but no thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'll use PayPal once it is regulated , meself .
" So you tie your paypal account to a credit card , and every time you log in they say " Give us all your bank account information , that will be really convenient !
" .And you wonder , who are they trying to kid ?
Paypal answers to no one , and it appears they want access to your bank account not because it 's convenient , but because when they deal with a credit card company , * there are federal laws that give you protections that PayPal would rather you not have * .Like : Right to dispute a charge , and PayPal has to answer within a short time or they lose               Processes that must be followed , or else PayPal losesAnd I 'm supposed to give that up because... it 's convenient ?
I 'll bet a lot of people have linked their bank account to these guys , too .
I think that 's a foolish mistake .
Once they have money from your bank , you 're basically screwed .
You 're at the whim of a low-level clerk at PayPal .
Thanks , but no thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'll use PayPal once it is regulated, meself.
"So you tie your paypal account to a credit card, and every time you log in they say "Give us all your bank account information, that will be really convenient!
".And you wonder, who are they trying to kid?
Paypal answers to no one, and it appears they want access to your bank account not because it's convenient, but because when they deal with a credit card company, *there are federal laws that give you protections that PayPal would rather you not have*.Like:  Right to dispute a charge, and PayPal has to answer within a short time or they lose
              Processes that must be followed, or else PayPal losesAnd I'm supposed to give that up because... it's convenient?
I'll bet a lot of people have linked their bank account to these guys, too.
I think that's a foolish mistake.
Once they have money from your bank, you're basically screwed.
You're at the whim of a low-level clerk at PayPal.
Thanks, but no thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082246</id>
	<title>Re:So ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265739180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I fail to see how such a policy is worth the economic problems of shuting down paypal for a whole country must of caused.</p></div><p>Firstly: it's must <strong>have</strong>, not must of. Surely you're not 12 years old with that UID?</p><p>Secondly: What makes you think paypal is so integral to the Indian economy that it "must have" caused "economic problems"? Rest assured that this is unlikely to have caused more than a teeny tiny blip in the grand scheme of things.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And I am sure most of the people currently doing the remittances have probably been doing it for quite awhile, so why were they is such a rush that they could not have "fixed" their system without shutting down paypal in the mean time?</p></div><p>You might not be familiar with the words "financial regulator" in America, but generally speaking in the rest of the world, when they act they act immediately and don't dither or worry about a potentially infringing system not being available. The commercial entity does not have an automatic right to operate if it is potentially infringing the regulations or laws.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to see how such a policy is worth the economic problems of shuting down paypal for a whole country must of caused.Firstly : it 's must have , not must of .
Surely you 're not 12 years old with that UID ? Secondly : What makes you think paypal is so integral to the Indian economy that it " must have " caused " economic problems " ?
Rest assured that this is unlikely to have caused more than a teeny tiny blip in the grand scheme of things.And I am sure most of the people currently doing the remittances have probably been doing it for quite awhile , so why were they is such a rush that they could not have " fixed " their system without shutting down paypal in the mean time ? You might not be familiar with the words " financial regulator " in America , but generally speaking in the rest of the world , when they act they act immediately and do n't dither or worry about a potentially infringing system not being available .
The commercial entity does not have an automatic right to operate if it is potentially infringing the regulations or laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to see how such a policy is worth the economic problems of shuting down paypal for a whole country must of caused.Firstly: it's must have, not must of.
Surely you're not 12 years old with that UID?Secondly: What makes you think paypal is so integral to the Indian economy that it "must have" caused "economic problems"?
Rest assured that this is unlikely to have caused more than a teeny tiny blip in the grand scheme of things.And I am sure most of the people currently doing the remittances have probably been doing it for quite awhile, so why were they is such a rush that they could not have "fixed" their system without shutting down paypal in the mean time?You might not be familiar with the words "financial regulator" in America, but generally speaking in the rest of the world, when they act they act immediately and don't dither or worry about a potentially infringing system not being available.
The commercial entity does not have an automatic right to operate if it is potentially infringing the regulations or laws.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082012</id>
	<title>State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265736420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is, like Internet censorship,<br>a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expanded<br>to cover (ie governments) and the transparent, open and global nature of the Internet.</p><p>When everyone on the planet can communicate directly and immediately, through<br>fully automated translators, to any other connected person or to large groups<br>- why exactly do we need massive percentages (10-50\%) of our resources funneled<br>to maintain the state and state-run defense and services? To preserve the old lines<br>on maps and control the access to major geographic regions?   In almost every single<br>case, Internet connected people and services will do a better job.</p><p>The necessary reasons for countries as they exist today mostly go away when the<br>Internet fully connects individuals.*  Obsolescence is a terrible thing for<br>bureaucracy, but can be framed as the primary driver of most "issues" governments<br>have with the Internet.</p><p>* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is , like Internet censorship,a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expandedto cover ( ie governments ) and the transparent , open and global nature of the Internet.When everyone on the planet can communicate directly and immediately , throughfully automated translators , to any other connected person or to large groups- why exactly do we need massive percentages ( 10-50 \ % ) of our resources funneledto maintain the state and state-run defense and services ?
To preserve the old lineson maps and control the access to major geographic regions ?
In almost every singlecase , Internet connected people and services will do a better job.The necessary reasons for countries as they exist today mostly go away when theInternet fully connects individuals .
* Obsolescence is a terrible thing forbureaucracy , but can be framed as the primary driver of most " issues " governmentshave with the Internet .
* physical defense and security being the only notable exception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is, like Internet censorship,a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expandedto cover (ie governments) and the transparent, open and global nature of the Internet.When everyone on the planet can communicate directly and immediately, throughfully automated translators, to any other connected person or to large groups- why exactly do we need massive percentages (10-50\%) of our resources funneledto maintain the state and state-run defense and services?
To preserve the old lineson maps and control the access to major geographic regions?
In almost every singlecase, Internet connected people and services will do a better job.The necessary reasons for countries as they exist today mostly go away when theInternet fully connects individuals.
*  Obsolescence is a terrible thing forbureaucracy, but can be framed as the primary driver of most "issues" governmentshave with the Internet.
* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083718</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265024100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having worked for PayPal, I'm sure the phone agents didn't know what the legal department was doing, because there is NO COMMUNICATION.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having worked for PayPal , I 'm sure the phone agents did n't know what the legal department was doing , because there is NO COMMUNICATION .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having worked for PayPal, I'm sure the phone agents didn't know what the legal department was doing, because there is NO COMMUNICATION.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31087788</id>
	<title>Re:Analog tech...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265048940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Sure, you can "fall back to analog tech" as you crudely put it.  Are you really suggesting to send an instrument of financial value through India Post?  Are you daft, sir?</p></div><p> The parent post *did* talk about SWIFT in addition to the sending checks etc. by mail. And if you, sir, were so perspicacious, you would have done this simple search:<br><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=transfer+money+to+india" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=transfer+money+to+india</a> [google.com]</p><p>and discovered dozens of ways to send money to India using the internet services provided by  <b>actual banks</b>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , you can " fall back to analog tech " as you crudely put it .
Are you really suggesting to send an instrument of financial value through India Post ?
Are you daft , sir ?
The parent post * did * talk about SWIFT in addition to the sending checks etc .
by mail .
And if you , sir , were so perspicacious , you would have done this simple search : http : //www.google.com/search ? q = transfer + money + to + india [ google.com ] and discovered dozens of ways to send money to India using the internet services provided by actual banks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Sure, you can "fall back to analog tech" as you crudely put it.
Are you really suggesting to send an instrument of financial value through India Post?
Are you daft, sir?
The parent post *did* talk about SWIFT in addition to the sending checks etc.
by mail.
And if you, sir, were so perspicacious, you would have done this simple search:http://www.google.com/search?q=transfer+money+to+india [google.com]and discovered dozens of ways to send money to India using the internet services provided by  actual banks.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082748</id>
	<title>Misleading title</title>
	<author>Zebai</author>
	<datestamp>1265055480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this should be titled, Paypal suspends operations in india <i>while they figure out how to cheat people legally in that country.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this should be titled , Paypal suspends operations in india while they figure out how to cheat people legally in that country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this should be titled, Paypal suspends operations in india while they figure out how to cheat people legally in that country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082142</id>
	<title>Lots of questions - follow the money</title>
	<author>HBI</author>
	<datestamp>1265737860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure it has something to do with an Indian entity, say the government and banks, being cut out of fees.</p><p>Baksheesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure it has something to do with an Indian entity , say the government and banks , being cut out of fees.Baksheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure it has something to do with an Indian entity, say the government and banks, being cut out of fees.Baksheesh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31083138</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The white man emasculates you<br>because you assume he will emasculate you.<br>The black man steals from you<br>because you assume he will steal from you.<br>The brown man slows you<br>because you assume he will slow you.<br>The yellow man trumps you<br>because you assume he will trump you.</p><p>We kill others<br>because we assume they will kill us.<br>We lie to others<br>because we assume they will lie to us.<br>We horde from others<br>because we assume they will horde from us.<br>We help others...</p><p>Self-fulfilling stereotypes can only be stopped at the source: You.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The white man emasculates youbecause you assume he will emasculate you.The black man steals from youbecause you assume he will steal from you.The brown man slows youbecause you assume he will slow you.The yellow man trumps youbecause you assume he will trump you.We kill othersbecause we assume they will kill us.We lie to othersbecause we assume they will lie to us.We horde from othersbecause we assume they will horde from us.We help others...Self-fulfilling stereotypes can only be stopped at the source : You .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The white man emasculates youbecause you assume he will emasculate you.The black man steals from youbecause you assume he will steal from you.The brown man slows youbecause you assume he will slow you.The yellow man trumps youbecause you assume he will trump you.We kill othersbecause we assume they will kill us.We lie to othersbecause we assume they will lie to us.We horde from othersbecause we assume they will horde from us.We help others...Self-fulfilling stereotypes can only be stopped at the source: You.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082278</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265739720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is, like Internet censorship, a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expanded to cover (ie governments) and the transparent, open and global nature of the Internet.</i> <p>
I've had all the innovation in financial services I can stand for a decade or so, thank you.</p><p>
There is nothing inherently open and transparent about the Internet. Traffic can be encyrpted or disguised in any number of ways, some more successful than others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is , like Internet censorship , a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expanded to cover ( ie governments ) and the transparent , open and global nature of the Internet .
I 've had all the innovation in financial services I can stand for a decade or so , thank you .
There is nothing inherently open and transparent about the Internet .
Traffic can be encyrpted or disguised in any number of ways , some more successful than others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is, like Internet censorship, a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expanded to cover (ie governments) and the transparent, open and global nature of the Internet.
I've had all the innovation in financial services I can stand for a decade or so, thank you.
There is nothing inherently open and transparent about the Internet.
Traffic can be encyrpted or disguised in any number of ways, some more successful than others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31084608</id>
	<title>Money is a government function</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1265033880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is, like Internet censorship,<br>a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expanded<br>to cover (ie governments) and the transparent, open and global nature of the Inte</i></p><p>What you do not get is that money is an invention of the government, therefor, it has every right to regulate it.  Right now, India manipulates its currency such that the price of its workers are at an advantage to the price of work in the west, so as to get more work.  The world economy really consists of states manipulating their currency to either work, such as India, or to not work, such as the USA.  Right now, a DBA in India might get paid 25,000rs a month, which is roughly 500USD a month based on exchange rates as they are today.  Is the work as good as an American programmer, often not, but, is it 1/50th of the price?  No, its not.  If you put that Indian programmer onsite, they'd get about 2500-5000USD a month, indicating a real exchange rate of 10rs per dollar, rather than 50rs as it is right now.  Thus, the whole "Free flow of money" that you advocate is really a sort massive arbitrage by which the third world is made to be enslaved to the west, an effect that perversely winds up bankrupting the west.  In this sense, capitalism as we call it today, with all sorts of disparate currencies and currency manipulations, is really just slavery by any other name, with the morally bankrupting effects on all sides of the equation.</p><p>Now, if you wanted to have a genuinely deregulated money system, we can, but the USA tried that from the 1860s to the 1890s, when it allowed nearly every private institution to issue its own currency, particularly banks.  So you could have bank notes that could and did serve as legal tender, and genuine value of each note, although denominated in dollars, was really depedent upon what the market felt the strength of the bank was. Of course, this notion of value was completely wrong and banks collapsed in the 1890s, and it was only the internvention of JP Morgan - the person - that saved the whole system.  He literally sat in a room and decided which banks were solvent enough to save, and which had to collapse, and he saved those banks he felt worth saving from loans out of his pocket.  This spectacular display of person wealth and power shocked the left wing, and it was THEY that demanded the creation of a national, federal bank, the federal reserve bank, that would fufill this role.  Thus, whereas we had many differnent bank notes, now we have just one, the Federal Reserve Bank Note.</p><p>The sad truth about libertarian movements is that usually there is a colossal failure on the part of the private sector that triggered the creation of a new law.  WE have the FDIC, because banks failed.  We have the Federal Reserve, because banks failed.  We have a paper currency, whose worth is based on the whole economy, in conjunction with Federal Reserve management, because gold strikes and silver strikes of the late 18th century also screwed up the value of money. We have regulations on monitoring transactions, because self reporting has previously not been enough to alert authorities of impending collapse.  We have SOX, because despite existing laws on the books, business leaders were still not convinced of the need to tell the truth in their reporting.</p><p>I mean, I don't like any of these laws, as they are a huge pain in the ass, but as they say, there wouldn't be a law against murder, if people didn't murder, and so it is with financial affairs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is , like Internet censorship,a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expandedto cover ( ie governments ) and the transparent , open and global nature of the InteWhat you do not get is that money is an invention of the government , therefor , it has every right to regulate it .
Right now , India manipulates its currency such that the price of its workers are at an advantage to the price of work in the west , so as to get more work .
The world economy really consists of states manipulating their currency to either work , such as India , or to not work , such as the USA .
Right now , a DBA in India might get paid 25,000rs a month , which is roughly 500USD a month based on exchange rates as they are today .
Is the work as good as an American programmer , often not , but , is it 1/50th of the price ?
No , its not .
If you put that Indian programmer onsite , they 'd get about 2500-5000USD a month , indicating a real exchange rate of 10rs per dollar , rather than 50rs as it is right now .
Thus , the whole " Free flow of money " that you advocate is really a sort massive arbitrage by which the third world is made to be enslaved to the west , an effect that perversely winds up bankrupting the west .
In this sense , capitalism as we call it today , with all sorts of disparate currencies and currency manipulations , is really just slavery by any other name , with the morally bankrupting effects on all sides of the equation.Now , if you wanted to have a genuinely deregulated money system , we can , but the USA tried that from the 1860s to the 1890s , when it allowed nearly every private institution to issue its own currency , particularly banks .
So you could have bank notes that could and did serve as legal tender , and genuine value of each note , although denominated in dollars , was really depedent upon what the market felt the strength of the bank was .
Of course , this notion of value was completely wrong and banks collapsed in the 1890s , and it was only the internvention of JP Morgan - the person - that saved the whole system .
He literally sat in a room and decided which banks were solvent enough to save , and which had to collapse , and he saved those banks he felt worth saving from loans out of his pocket .
This spectacular display of person wealth and power shocked the left wing , and it was THEY that demanded the creation of a national , federal bank , the federal reserve bank , that would fufill this role .
Thus , whereas we had many differnent bank notes , now we have just one , the Federal Reserve Bank Note.The sad truth about libertarian movements is that usually there is a colossal failure on the part of the private sector that triggered the creation of a new law .
WE have the FDIC , because banks failed .
We have the Federal Reserve , because banks failed .
We have a paper currency , whose worth is based on the whole economy , in conjunction with Federal Reserve management , because gold strikes and silver strikes of the late 18th century also screwed up the value of money .
We have regulations on monitoring transactions , because self reporting has previously not been enough to alert authorities of impending collapse .
We have SOX , because despite existing laws on the books , business leaders were still not convinced of the need to tell the truth in their reporting.I mean , I do n't like any of these laws , as they are a huge pain in the ass , but as they say , there would n't be a law against murder , if people did n't murder , and so it is with financial affairs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stopping money flow and financial services innovation is, like Internet censorship,a symptom of the fundamental conflict between the traditional role the state has expandedto cover (ie governments) and the transparent, open and global nature of the InteWhat you do not get is that money is an invention of the government, therefor, it has every right to regulate it.
Right now, India manipulates its currency such that the price of its workers are at an advantage to the price of work in the west, so as to get more work.
The world economy really consists of states manipulating their currency to either work, such as India, or to not work, such as the USA.
Right now, a DBA in India might get paid 25,000rs a month, which is roughly 500USD a month based on exchange rates as they are today.
Is the work as good as an American programmer, often not, but, is it 1/50th of the price?
No, its not.
If you put that Indian programmer onsite, they'd get about 2500-5000USD a month, indicating a real exchange rate of 10rs per dollar, rather than 50rs as it is right now.
Thus, the whole "Free flow of money" that you advocate is really a sort massive arbitrage by which the third world is made to be enslaved to the west, an effect that perversely winds up bankrupting the west.
In this sense, capitalism as we call it today, with all sorts of disparate currencies and currency manipulations, is really just slavery by any other name, with the morally bankrupting effects on all sides of the equation.Now, if you wanted to have a genuinely deregulated money system, we can, but the USA tried that from the 1860s to the 1890s, when it allowed nearly every private institution to issue its own currency, particularly banks.
So you could have bank notes that could and did serve as legal tender, and genuine value of each note, although denominated in dollars, was really depedent upon what the market felt the strength of the bank was.
Of course, this notion of value was completely wrong and banks collapsed in the 1890s, and it was only the internvention of JP Morgan - the person - that saved the whole system.
He literally sat in a room and decided which banks were solvent enough to save, and which had to collapse, and he saved those banks he felt worth saving from loans out of his pocket.
This spectacular display of person wealth and power shocked the left wing, and it was THEY that demanded the creation of a national, federal bank, the federal reserve bank, that would fufill this role.
Thus, whereas we had many differnent bank notes, now we have just one, the Federal Reserve Bank Note.The sad truth about libertarian movements is that usually there is a colossal failure on the part of the private sector that triggered the creation of a new law.
WE have the FDIC, because banks failed.
We have the Federal Reserve, because banks failed.
We have a paper currency, whose worth is based on the whole economy, in conjunction with Federal Reserve management, because gold strikes and silver strikes of the late 18th century also screwed up the value of money.
We have regulations on monitoring transactions, because self reporting has previously not been enough to alert authorities of impending collapse.
We have SOX, because despite existing laws on the books, business leaders were still not convinced of the need to tell the truth in their reporting.I mean, I don't like any of these laws, as they are a huge pain in the ass, but as they say, there wouldn't be a law against murder, if people didn't murder, and so it is with financial affairs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31089644</id>
	<title>Age of lean governments - not yet</title>
	<author>ndverdo</author>
	<datestamp>1265056380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use services from India regularly commercially and pay with Paypal as bank transfers have disproportionally too high transaction costs. Without paypal (and there are no other non-obscure options to wire low-value amounts) I simply stop sourcing this route and go elsewhere. Makes me wonder why people don't rebell against paying bureaucrats that despite being well-fed from taxes in the end make them poorer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use services from India regularly commercially and pay with Paypal as bank transfers have disproportionally too high transaction costs .
Without paypal ( and there are no other non-obscure options to wire low-value amounts ) I simply stop sourcing this route and go elsewhere .
Makes me wonder why people do n't rebell against paying bureaucrats that despite being well-fed from taxes in the end make them poorer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use services from India regularly commercially and pay with Paypal as bank transfers have disproportionally too high transaction costs.
Without paypal (and there are no other non-obscure options to wire low-value amounts) I simply stop sourcing this route and go elsewhere.
Makes me wonder why people don't rebell against paying bureaucrats that despite being well-fed from taxes in the end make them poorer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31084284</id>
	<title>Re:not State vs Internet, world vs paypal.</title>
	<author>that this is not und</author>
	<datestamp>1265030820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My impression has been that PayPal is kind of like a reverse-lottery.</p><p>In a Lottery, everybody knows a bunch of people who have bought lottery tickets and lost.  They may have heard of one or two people who 'won big' in the lottery.</p><p>With PayPal, just about everybody who has ever used PayPal has successfully used it to pay for something and had no problems whatsoever.  But they've also heard about one or two 'losers' and their horror stories.</p><p>Most regular people don't place a lot of trust in PayPal, but use it successfully to engage in small transactions, i.e. to buy inexpensive collectables on eBay.</p><p>And there are a few very very bitter people who will NEVER stop hating PayPal because they screwed something up and PayPal proved rather unforgiving.</p><p>That's just the deal.  When someone comes into a forum like this screaming bloody murder about what a horrible mess PayPal is, all the regular folks who've had no problem with it just end up thinking "are they nuts?"  And then they move along.  Because there are net-cranks everywhere online, and you just have to expect it.</p><p>Go ahead and rant about PayPal.  It just lowers your credibility with the rest of us.  And we ARE the majority at this time.  We'll figure it out if PayPal ever really goes sour in enough time to get out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My impression has been that PayPal is kind of like a reverse-lottery.In a Lottery , everybody knows a bunch of people who have bought lottery tickets and lost .
They may have heard of one or two people who 'won big ' in the lottery.With PayPal , just about everybody who has ever used PayPal has successfully used it to pay for something and had no problems whatsoever .
But they 've also heard about one or two 'losers ' and their horror stories.Most regular people do n't place a lot of trust in PayPal , but use it successfully to engage in small transactions , i.e .
to buy inexpensive collectables on eBay.And there are a few very very bitter people who will NEVER stop hating PayPal because they screwed something up and PayPal proved rather unforgiving.That 's just the deal .
When someone comes into a forum like this screaming bloody murder about what a horrible mess PayPal is , all the regular folks who 've had no problem with it just end up thinking " are they nuts ?
" And then they move along .
Because there are net-cranks everywhere online , and you just have to expect it.Go ahead and rant about PayPal .
It just lowers your credibility with the rest of us .
And we ARE the majority at this time .
We 'll figure it out if PayPal ever really goes sour in enough time to get out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My impression has been that PayPal is kind of like a reverse-lottery.In a Lottery, everybody knows a bunch of people who have bought lottery tickets and lost.
They may have heard of one or two people who 'won big' in the lottery.With PayPal, just about everybody who has ever used PayPal has successfully used it to pay for something and had no problems whatsoever.
But they've also heard about one or two 'losers' and their horror stories.Most regular people don't place a lot of trust in PayPal, but use it successfully to engage in small transactions, i.e.
to buy inexpensive collectables on eBay.And there are a few very very bitter people who will NEVER stop hating PayPal because they screwed something up and PayPal proved rather unforgiving.That's just the deal.
When someone comes into a forum like this screaming bloody murder about what a horrible mess PayPal is, all the regular folks who've had no problem with it just end up thinking "are they nuts?
"  And then they move along.
Because there are net-cranks everywhere online, and you just have to expect it.Go ahead and rant about PayPal.
It just lowers your credibility with the rest of us.
And we ARE the majority at this time.
We'll figure it out if PayPal ever really goes sour in enough time to get out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31091732</id>
	<title>Re:OMG!</title>
	<author>BeanThere</author>
	<datestamp>1265022780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You mean "God forbid that someone should give some money to someone else (without government taking a cut)".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean " God forbid that someone should give some money to someone else ( without government taking a cut ) " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean "God forbid that someone should give some money to someone else (without government taking a cut)".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082164</id>
	<title>Re:State vs Internet</title>
	<author>ColaMan</author>
	<datestamp>1265738040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>why exactly do we need massive percentages (10-50\%) of our resources funneled<br>to maintain the state and state-run defense and services</i></p><p>So that people who are envious of your physical resources don't all band together, drop by your house one day, and proceed to hack you to bits with machetes? So that there's a semi-controlled environment to enable the provision of services - like power, water and maybe even a little internet?</p><p><i>* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.</i></p><p>And a very big fucking exception they will remain, too.<br>Dreams, meet reality. Watch out for reality's sucker punch, it can really catch you unawares.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why exactly do we need massive percentages ( 10-50 \ % ) of our resources funneledto maintain the state and state-run defense and servicesSo that people who are envious of your physical resources do n't all band together , drop by your house one day , and proceed to hack you to bits with machetes ?
So that there 's a semi-controlled environment to enable the provision of services - like power , water and maybe even a little internet ?
* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.And a very big fucking exception they will remain , too.Dreams , meet reality .
Watch out for reality 's sucker punch , it can really catch you unawares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why exactly do we need massive percentages (10-50\%) of our resources funneledto maintain the state and state-run defense and servicesSo that people who are envious of your physical resources don't all band together, drop by your house one day, and proceed to hack you to bits with machetes?
So that there's a semi-controlled environment to enable the provision of services - like power, water and maybe even a little internet?
* physical defense and security being the only notable exception.And a very big fucking exception they will remain, too.Dreams, meet reality.
Watch out for reality's sucker punch, it can really catch you unawares.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082488</id>
	<title>Paypal Fascism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265742000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Link your Paypal to a credit card / bank account</p><p>2. Any Fraud (not even by you!) equals locked out from your account.  Instead of some kind of common sense approach where Only the FRAUD transaction gets locked up.</p><p>3. No feedback / or real communications.</p><p>4. No way to sue paypal for malfeasance and misfeasance</p><p>Full Disclosure: Yes I grudgingly have a paypal account cause I was FORCED to do it from eBay who has auctions of stuff that can't be found anywhere else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Link your Paypal to a credit card / bank account2 .
Any Fraud ( not even by you !
) equals locked out from your account .
Instead of some kind of common sense approach where Only the FRAUD transaction gets locked up.3 .
No feedback / or real communications.4 .
No way to sue paypal for malfeasance and misfeasanceFull Disclosure : Yes I grudgingly have a paypal account cause I was FORCED to do it from eBay who has auctions of stuff that ca n't be found anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Link your Paypal to a credit card / bank account2.
Any Fraud (not even by you!
) equals locked out from your account.
Instead of some kind of common sense approach where Only the FRAUD transaction gets locked up.3.
No feedback / or real communications.4.
No way to sue paypal for malfeasance and misfeasanceFull Disclosure: Yes I grudgingly have a paypal account cause I was FORCED to do it from eBay who has auctions of stuff that can't be found anywhere else.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_10_0048246.31082428</id>
	<title>Western Union</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265741280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not use Western Union like most Somali's do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not use Western Union like most Somali 's do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not use Western Union like most Somali's do?</sentencetext>
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