<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_09_1617217</id>
	<title>KDE 4.4 Released Alongside Website Redesign</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1265736540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Cryophallion writes <i>"<a href="http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/">KDE 4.4.0 has finally been released</a>, along with a <a href="http://www.kdenews.org/2010/02/08/kdeorg-relaunched-software-compilation-44">redesign of the KDE.org website</a>. New features include tabbed windows, improved desktop search and social desktop features. 'Major new technologies have been introduced, including social networking and online collaboration features, a new netbook-oriented interface and infrastructural innovations such as the KAuth authentication framework. According to KDE's bug-tracking system, 7293 bugs have been fixed and 1433 new feature requests were implemented.' A <a href="http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.4/guide.php">feature guide</a> is also available."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cryophallion writes " KDE 4.4.0 has finally been released , along with a redesign of the KDE.org website .
New features include tabbed windows , improved desktop search and social desktop features .
'Major new technologies have been introduced , including social networking and online collaboration features , a new netbook-oriented interface and infrastructural innovations such as the KAuth authentication framework .
According to KDE 's bug-tracking system , 7293 bugs have been fixed and 1433 new feature requests were implemented .
' A feature guide is also available .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cryophallion writes "KDE 4.4.0 has finally been released, along with a redesign of the KDE.org website.
New features include tabbed windows, improved desktop search and social desktop features.
'Major new technologies have been introduced, including social networking and online collaboration features, a new netbook-oriented interface and infrastructural innovations such as the KAuth authentication framework.
According to KDE's bug-tracking system, 7293 bugs have been fixed and 1433 new feature requests were implemented.
' A feature guide is also available.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074512</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>chill</author>
	<datestamp>1265740680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a similar opinion, but ended up upgrading to KDE 4.x from 3.x when it hit 4.3.  While things are <em>different</em>, I find it very useful.  The only thing I miss at this point is Quanta has no love -- or replacement.</p><p>Wait until there is a live distro using 4.4 and give it a try.  Remember, different is different, not necessarily worse or better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a similar opinion , but ended up upgrading to KDE 4.x from 3.x when it hit 4.3 .
While things are different , I find it very useful .
The only thing I miss at this point is Quanta has no love -- or replacement.Wait until there is a live distro using 4.4 and give it a try .
Remember , different is different , not necessarily worse or better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a similar opinion, but ended up upgrading to KDE 4.x from 3.x when it hit 4.3.
While things are different, I find it very useful.
The only thing I miss at this point is Quanta has no love -- or replacement.Wait until there is a live distro using 4.4 and give it a try.
Remember, different is different, not necessarily worse or better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074396</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076360</id>
	<title>Oh noes, Slashdot coverage and a spelling error</title>
	<author>wintercolby</author>
	<datestamp>1265746980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good thing so few of us actually RTFA, let alone the feature list, but:<p><div class="quote"><p> This <b>abitious</b> release had its share of issues but did also show the great potential our products have, resulting in a large number of new contributors.</p> </div><p>Should be ambitious, someone please let the KDE website folks, I can't because I'm at work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing so few of us actually RTFA , let alone the feature list , but : This abitious release had its share of issues but did also show the great potential our products have , resulting in a large number of new contributors .
Should be ambitious , someone please let the KDE website folks , I ca n't because I 'm at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing so few of us actually RTFA, let alone the feature list, but: This abitious release had its share of issues but did also show the great potential our products have, resulting in a large number of new contributors.
Should be ambitious, someone please let the KDE website folks, I can't because I'm at work.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31080274</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1265721000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is true, but when Amarok moved to the KDE4 base, I believe a lot of the KDE hooks they used to access simply weren't there.  Hideous new UI issues aside, ever since 2.0 they've been trying to re-write the previous functionality into the new framework, which is apparently a lot harder than expected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is true , but when Amarok moved to the KDE4 base , I believe a lot of the KDE hooks they used to access simply were n't there .
Hideous new UI issues aside , ever since 2.0 they 've been trying to re-write the previous functionality into the new framework , which is apparently a lot harder than expected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is true, but when Amarok moved to the KDE4 base, I believe a lot of the KDE hooks they used to access simply weren't there.
Hideous new UI issues aside, ever since 2.0 they've been trying to re-write the previous functionality into the new framework, which is apparently a lot harder than expected.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076588</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>zebslash</author>
	<datestamp>1265747940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva has an excellent KDE integration imo. If you like the vanilla version, you might want to try Archlinux too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva has an excellent KDE integration imo .
If you like the vanilla version , you might want to try Archlinux too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva has an excellent KDE integration imo.
If you like the vanilla version, you might want to try Archlinux too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075372</id>
	<title>Link?</title>
	<author>Prien715</author>
	<datestamp>1265743680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone have a link to the binary that actually works?  Tried a bunch of the ones in mirrors and none seem to function.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone have a link to the binary that actually works ?
Tried a bunch of the ones in mirrors and none seem to function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone have a link to the binary that actually works?
Tried a bunch of the ones in mirrors and none seem to function.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31082644</id>
	<title>What about KMail/Kontact?</title>
	<author>bsdhacker</author>
	<datestamp>1265745060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried KDE 4.3.5 for a few months, but had to revert back because KMail/Kontact crashed constantly.  If I can't use Kontact in KDE, then I've lost half the benefit of using KDE.  I wonder if these problems were included in the 7000+ bugs they claimed to have fixed in 4.4.0.  Now I'm back to my ol' tiling window manager - Awesome (which also crashes from time to time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/ )...  Maybe I'll give xmonad a try.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried KDE 4.3.5 for a few months , but had to revert back because KMail/Kontact crashed constantly .
If I ca n't use Kontact in KDE , then I 've lost half the benefit of using KDE .
I wonder if these problems were included in the 7000 + bugs they claimed to have fixed in 4.4.0 .
Now I 'm back to my ol ' tiling window manager - Awesome ( which also crashes from time to time : / ) ... Maybe I 'll give xmonad a try .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried KDE 4.3.5 for a few months, but had to revert back because KMail/Kontact crashed constantly.
If I can't use Kontact in KDE, then I've lost half the benefit of using KDE.
I wonder if these problems were included in the 7000+ bugs they claimed to have fixed in 4.4.0.
Now I'm back to my ol' tiling window manager - Awesome (which also crashes from time to time :/ )...  Maybe I'll give xmonad a try.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31082516</id>
	<title>Website Redesigns Suck Normally -broken links!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265742540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? Links with valuable information (and often to projects) are shuffled around, frustrating many individuals and organizations who have linked to these sites and may not have the time or inkling to go back over their former blog/website/magazine/etc and correct each broken link! This happened most recently with Linux.com's site, where hundreds of articles at suchandsuch.linux.com and forexample.linux.com were moved to linux.com/whatever !</p><p>What's very unnerving is when government does this, I've noticed it quite often, they will build a new domain and months or a year later the domain vanishes and most of the content is either shuffled off to another domain (old or new) or disappears never to be found again (unless you're lucky and archive.org has indexed it but even then the information can disappear upon request!).</p><p>We all enjoy site redesigns, but please, employ an intelligent webmaster who will retain articles, documents, and project links instead of changing them every few months. Several open source projects do this, too, I believe it's just a trick to give the user the appearance of something new and fresh when little has changed underneath.</p><p>I appreciate the long standing sites which provide information and the links never break five, ten years later. Those are the sites with webmasters who get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
Links with valuable information ( and often to projects ) are shuffled around , frustrating many individuals and organizations who have linked to these sites and may not have the time or inkling to go back over their former blog/website/magazine/etc and correct each broken link !
This happened most recently with Linux.com 's site , where hundreds of articles at suchandsuch.linux.com and forexample.linux.com were moved to linux.com/whatever ! What 's very unnerving is when government does this , I 've noticed it quite often , they will build a new domain and months or a year later the domain vanishes and most of the content is either shuffled off to another domain ( old or new ) or disappears never to be found again ( unless you 're lucky and archive.org has indexed it but even then the information can disappear upon request !
) .We all enjoy site redesigns , but please , employ an intelligent webmaster who will retain articles , documents , and project links instead of changing them every few months .
Several open source projects do this , too , I believe it 's just a trick to give the user the appearance of something new and fresh when little has changed underneath.I appreciate the long standing sites which provide information and the links never break five , ten years later .
Those are the sites with webmasters who get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
Links with valuable information (and often to projects) are shuffled around, frustrating many individuals and organizations who have linked to these sites and may not have the time or inkling to go back over their former blog/website/magazine/etc and correct each broken link!
This happened most recently with Linux.com's site, where hundreds of articles at suchandsuch.linux.com and forexample.linux.com were moved to linux.com/whatever !What's very unnerving is when government does this, I've noticed it quite often, they will build a new domain and months or a year later the domain vanishes and most of the content is either shuffled off to another domain (old or new) or disappears never to be found again (unless you're lucky and archive.org has indexed it but even then the information can disappear upon request!
).We all enjoy site redesigns, but please, employ an intelligent webmaster who will retain articles, documents, and project links instead of changing them every few months.
Several open source projects do this, too, I believe it's just a trick to give the user the appearance of something new and fresh when little has changed underneath.I appreciate the long standing sites which provide information and the links never break five, ten years later.
Those are the sites with webmasters who get it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075862</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265745300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I've seen a fully customizable panel (in any location) since KDE 4.1, or 4.2 at the latest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 've seen a fully customizable panel ( in any location ) since KDE 4.1 , or 4.2 at the latest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I've seen a fully customizable panel (in any location) since KDE 4.1, or 4.2 at the latest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074976</id>
	<title>help, i'z been slashdotted...</title>
	<author>budr</author>
	<datestamp>1265742420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee, I was tooling around the kde.org website, seeing what they had done with the new layout, and all of a sudden I can't get to the site.  I wonder what coulda happened all of a sudden...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , I was tooling around the kde.org website , seeing what they had done with the new layout , and all of a sudden I ca n't get to the site .
I wonder what coulda happened all of a sudden.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, I was tooling around the kde.org website, seeing what they had done with the new layout, and all of a sudden I can't get to the site.
I wonder what coulda happened all of a sudden...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31077756</id>
	<title>KBadDesign</title>
	<author>iliketrash</author>
	<datestamp>1265709480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs? Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names: Neopomuk, Dolphin, Gwenview, Blogilo, KGet, Kopete, Kstars, Parley, Marble, Cantor, Rocs, Nepomuk, Akonadi, Kauth, KNewStuff3?</p><p>This is incredibly bad design, and for what? To make sure that KDE is used only by the cognoscenti on the outside chance that application program improvements might appeal to the casual user? And isn't it about time for someone to post the biannual question, is Linux ready for the desktop?</p><p>(Please tag as flamebait since<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ers don't like these kinds of challenges.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs ?
Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names : Neopomuk , Dolphin , Gwenview , Blogilo , KGet , Kopete , Kstars , Parley , Marble , Cantor , Rocs , Nepomuk , Akonadi , Kauth , KNewStuff3 ? This is incredibly bad design , and for what ?
To make sure that KDE is used only by the cognoscenti on the outside chance that application program improvements might appeal to the casual user ?
And is n't it about time for someone to post the biannual question , is Linux ready for the desktop ?
( Please tag as flamebait since ./ers do n't like these kinds of challenges .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs?
Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names: Neopomuk, Dolphin, Gwenview, Blogilo, KGet, Kopete, Kstars, Parley, Marble, Cantor, Rocs, Nepomuk, Akonadi, Kauth, KNewStuff3?This is incredibly bad design, and for what?
To make sure that KDE is used only by the cognoscenti on the outside chance that application program improvements might appeal to the casual user?
And isn't it about time for someone to post the biannual question, is Linux ready for the desktop?
(Please tag as flamebait since ./ers don't like these kinds of challenges.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076516</id>
	<title>mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265747640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and still we have no real Mac support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and still we have no real Mac support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and still we have no real Mac support.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</id>
	<title>What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1265744460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last time I used KDE was around the middle of 2000. 10 years on I'd like to try out 4.x and see what all the fuss is about. Can anyone recommend a distro that has a good KDE experience? I hear that some distros have screwed up KDE 4.x so I'd like to use one that will give me a decent experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time I used KDE was around the middle of 2000 .
10 years on I 'd like to try out 4.x and see what all the fuss is about .
Can anyone recommend a distro that has a good KDE experience ?
I hear that some distros have screwed up KDE 4.x so I 'd like to use one that will give me a decent experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time I used KDE was around the middle of 2000.
10 years on I'd like to try out 4.x and see what all the fuss is about.
Can anyone recommend a distro that has a good KDE experience?
I hear that some distros have screwed up KDE 4.x so I'd like to use one that will give me a decent experience.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31078880</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>DMUTPeregrine</author>
	<datestamp>1265713860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree on Amarok. I found Gmusicbrowser, and it's quite good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree on Amarok .
I found Gmusicbrowser , and it 's quite good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree on Amarok.
I found Gmusicbrowser, and it's quite good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31077236</id>
	<title>When ever I use KDE since 2x days</title>
	<author>G00F</author>
	<datestamp>1265707260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When ever I use KDE since 3x days I can't help but feel like I am playing a badly designed computer game.  You know, the games where every button feels like part of a picture that you can only find by trial an error?  You know the games where you find out that some part of the display is actually part of a menu by the manual?</p><p>Back in the day Corel had done a nice implementation of a desktop with KDE, seams that was lost until Ubuntu came out. which other distros are now implementing a more simplistic GUI approach.  Except KDE tries to make their GUI feel like a computer game interface or a teenager with an identity crises.  With none of the base themes having buttons that look and feel like buttons. Clickable things need to stand out as something you can click on, and not everything about the OS needs to be animated.</p><p>Not to mention the whole "thats a feature not a bug" attitude. (example: disable password needed under the screen saver options)</p><p>And then reading about it's integration with "social networking" makes me cringe.  But maybe I am just getting old . . . .</p><p>&lt;/rant&gt;</p><p>So, I use gnome for most of my desktop linux needs, dispite it being behind the curve, and needing many KDE apps and libs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When ever I use KDE since 3x days I ca n't help but feel like I am playing a badly designed computer game .
You know , the games where every button feels like part of a picture that you can only find by trial an error ?
You know the games where you find out that some part of the display is actually part of a menu by the manual ? Back in the day Corel had done a nice implementation of a desktop with KDE , seams that was lost until Ubuntu came out .
which other distros are now implementing a more simplistic GUI approach .
Except KDE tries to make their GUI feel like a computer game interface or a teenager with an identity crises .
With none of the base themes having buttons that look and feel like buttons .
Clickable things need to stand out as something you can click on , and not everything about the OS needs to be animated.Not to mention the whole " thats a feature not a bug " attitude .
( example : disable password needed under the screen saver options ) And then reading about it 's integration with " social networking " makes me cringe .
But maybe I am just getting old .
. .
.So , I use gnome for most of my desktop linux needs , dispite it being behind the curve , and needing many KDE apps and libs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When ever I use KDE since 3x days I can't help but feel like I am playing a badly designed computer game.
You know, the games where every button feels like part of a picture that you can only find by trial an error?
You know the games where you find out that some part of the display is actually part of a menu by the manual?Back in the day Corel had done a nice implementation of a desktop with KDE, seams that was lost until Ubuntu came out.
which other distros are now implementing a more simplistic GUI approach.
Except KDE tries to make their GUI feel like a computer game interface or a teenager with an identity crises.
With none of the base themes having buttons that look and feel like buttons.
Clickable things need to stand out as something you can click on, and not everything about the OS needs to be animated.Not to mention the whole "thats a feature not a bug" attitude.
(example: disable password needed under the screen saver options)And then reading about it's integration with "social networking" makes me cringe.
But maybe I am just getting old .
. .
.So, I use gnome for most of my desktop linux needs, dispite it being behind the curve, and needing many KDE apps and libs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31082444</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265741580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still use KDE 3.5 with the old Amarok. Luckily, this is possible with Gentoo. Just add the kde-sunset overlay, and ln<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset/Documentation/package.unmask/kde-3.5 to your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/package.unmask directory.<br>Then you might have to mask certain apps which have no separate slot and whose new versions are kde4-only (notably compiz &amp; friends), and you&rsquo;re good. Still works like a charm.</p><p>But I&rsquo;ll look into downgrading (as it is deliberately made for dumber people) to KDE4.4 or 4.5, when it&rsquo;s out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still use KDE 3.5 with the old Amarok .
Luckily , this is possible with Gentoo .
Just add the kde-sunset overlay , and ln /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset/Documentation/package.unmask/kde-3.5 to your /etc/package.unmask directory.Then you might have to mask certain apps which have no separate slot and whose new versions are kde4-only ( notably compiz &amp; friends ) , and you    re good .
Still works like a charm.But I    ll look into downgrading ( as it is deliberately made for dumber people ) to KDE4.4 or 4.5 , when it    s out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still use KDE 3.5 with the old Amarok.
Luckily, this is possible with Gentoo.
Just add the kde-sunset overlay, and ln /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset/Documentation/package.unmask/kde-3.5 to your /etc/package.unmask directory.Then you might have to mask certain apps which have no separate slot and whose new versions are kde4-only (notably compiz &amp; friends), and you’re good.
Still works like a charm.But I’ll look into downgrading (as it is deliberately made for dumber people) to KDE4.4 or 4.5, when it’s out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074396</id>
	<title>Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265740200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to love KDE. I turned a lot of other people onto it.</p><p>After 4.0, 4.1, 4.2... After what they did to Amarok... After the pathetic state of the last several Kubuntu releases... The question is, should we even bother to look at this release? Or are they still digging their hole deeper?</p><p>Yes, I am aware of the fascinating debate about who is responsible for these disasters. From 10,000 feet above it, it looks like the KDE leadership went to the dogs after v3. But I don't know, and what's more, I just don't care. The point is, the KDE brand is ruined right now. I know I am not alone in thinking this. Remember Linus? <a href="http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html" title="desktoplinux.com" rel="nofollow">This Linus?</a> [desktoplinux.com]</p><p>He <a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2009/01/linus-torvalds-ditches-kde-4-for-gnome.html#axzz0f3kfxjPD" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">switched to Gnome too.</a> [blogspot.com] I held out a lot longer before I gave up. I loved KDE3 so much. And I really hated Gnome. Look at Mono for fuck's sake. But you know what? The KDE team beat all that loyalty out of me, crash by crash, regression by regression, blog post by blog post.</p><p>And you know what else? Somewhere a long the way they cleaned Gnome up, sanded down the worst rough edges, made it launch fast, and look pretty. It works. My Mom could use it. Unlike KDE4+, last time I looked. Which was months ago, because it was so bad I didn't even want to look anymore.</p><p>If I were the "KDE Team," I would lay very low, clean house, and labor until I had something amazing - something that would wow people again. Something original. Something worthy of their legacy.</p><p>Is this that release?</p><p>Or is it just another bandaid on the broken mess I've been watching unfold?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to love KDE .
I turned a lot of other people onto it.After 4.0 , 4.1 , 4.2... After what they did to Amarok... After the pathetic state of the last several Kubuntu releases... The question is , should we even bother to look at this release ?
Or are they still digging their hole deeper ? Yes , I am aware of the fascinating debate about who is responsible for these disasters .
From 10,000 feet above it , it looks like the KDE leadership went to the dogs after v3 .
But I do n't know , and what 's more , I just do n't care .
The point is , the KDE brand is ruined right now .
I know I am not alone in thinking this .
Remember Linus ?
This Linus ?
[ desktoplinux.com ] He switched to Gnome too .
[ blogspot.com ] I held out a lot longer before I gave up .
I loved KDE3 so much .
And I really hated Gnome .
Look at Mono for fuck 's sake .
But you know what ?
The KDE team beat all that loyalty out of me , crash by crash , regression by regression , blog post by blog post.And you know what else ?
Somewhere a long the way they cleaned Gnome up , sanded down the worst rough edges , made it launch fast , and look pretty .
It works .
My Mom could use it .
Unlike KDE4 + , last time I looked .
Which was months ago , because it was so bad I did n't even want to look anymore.If I were the " KDE Team , " I would lay very low , clean house , and labor until I had something amazing - something that would wow people again .
Something original .
Something worthy of their legacy.Is this that release ? Or is it just another bandaid on the broken mess I 've been watching unfold ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to love KDE.
I turned a lot of other people onto it.After 4.0, 4.1, 4.2... After what they did to Amarok... After the pathetic state of the last several Kubuntu releases... The question is, should we even bother to look at this release?
Or are they still digging their hole deeper?Yes, I am aware of the fascinating debate about who is responsible for these disasters.
From 10,000 feet above it, it looks like the KDE leadership went to the dogs after v3.
But I don't know, and what's more, I just don't care.
The point is, the KDE brand is ruined right now.
I know I am not alone in thinking this.
Remember Linus?
This Linus?
[desktoplinux.com]He switched to Gnome too.
[blogspot.com] I held out a lot longer before I gave up.
I loved KDE3 so much.
And I really hated Gnome.
Look at Mono for fuck's sake.
But you know what?
The KDE team beat all that loyalty out of me, crash by crash, regression by regression, blog post by blog post.And you know what else?
Somewhere a long the way they cleaned Gnome up, sanded down the worst rough edges, made it launch fast, and look pretty.
It works.
My Mom could use it.
Unlike KDE4+, last time I looked.
Which was months ago, because it was so bad I didn't even want to look anymore.If I were the "KDE Team," I would lay very low, clean house, and labor until I had something amazing - something that would wow people again.
Something original.
Something worthy of their legacy.Is this that release?Or is it just another bandaid on the broken mess I've been watching unfold?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31079664</id>
	<title>No. Real Sucker is Debian not KDE4</title>
	<author>Delifisek</author>
	<datestamp>1265717400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me guess. Most of KDE 4 nay sayers using Debian or debian based (kubuntu etc) distro... Right ?</p><p>So here my story...</p><p>After Kubuntu 8 my KDE pains was begin. No real ATI support (for dual desktop). Sucked performance, Weird Firefox problems. Some extensions never work because of that, this  . I re fresh install every Kubuntu relases. Problems are same. Somewhere between 8.10 and 9.00 I try to use Debian desktop same results. And I use that desktop for my work. My anger grows and grows. Day by day I feel like I'm using Windows 95...</p><p>One day, After one maybe more years of sucking KDE 4 experience, I was nearly switching WIndows after more than 10 years of Linux Desktop usage, at that time, I search something, on a forum, somebody suggest that Sabayon Linux (gentoo based binary thingy) for some better video peformance or someting. I decide to give a try..</p><p>After first setup probably 4 months pass.</p><p>Results are interesting.</p><p>No ATI problem. Dual desktop (which I could not run ever under Kubuntu/Debian) run like snap. Decent desktop performance. It was very nice feeling to using Linux Desktop again.</p><p>Still have problem with Pulse audio and Flash videos and some times Skype gone mad.</p><p>Other than than it was fine and working...</p><p>And this bad KDE4 experience on Debian smells to bad...</p><p>No one can tell me they can't fix that sucking Video Card problem more than a year. At that time, I curse KDE guys, I curse ATI guys and I curse my self to coose ATI. I never think it was a distro problem.</p><p>So ?</p><p>Me thinks Debianistas does not like KDE.... Because of favor for GNOME or some other stupid obsession to pure GNU  in their twisted mind.</p><p>Yeah, I like Debian too and use my servers all time. And I like (k)ubuntu too.</p><p>And now</p><p>I say.</p><p>Both of them SUCK ON KDE4</p><p>If you are Debian or Debian derivated distro user and have problems with KDE4 just try something else.</p><p>Results may interesting...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess .
Most of KDE 4 nay sayers using Debian or debian based ( kubuntu etc ) distro... Right ? So here my story...After Kubuntu 8 my KDE pains was begin .
No real ATI support ( for dual desktop ) .
Sucked performance , Weird Firefox problems .
Some extensions never work because of that , this .
I re fresh install every Kubuntu relases .
Problems are same .
Somewhere between 8.10 and 9.00 I try to use Debian desktop same results .
And I use that desktop for my work .
My anger grows and grows .
Day by day I feel like I 'm using Windows 95...One day , After one maybe more years of sucking KDE 4 experience , I was nearly switching WIndows after more than 10 years of Linux Desktop usage , at that time , I search something , on a forum , somebody suggest that Sabayon Linux ( gentoo based binary thingy ) for some better video peformance or someting .
I decide to give a try..After first setup probably 4 months pass.Results are interesting.No ATI problem .
Dual desktop ( which I could not run ever under Kubuntu/Debian ) run like snap .
Decent desktop performance .
It was very nice feeling to using Linux Desktop again.Still have problem with Pulse audio and Flash videos and some times Skype gone mad.Other than than it was fine and working...And this bad KDE4 experience on Debian smells to bad...No one can tell me they ca n't fix that sucking Video Card problem more than a year .
At that time , I curse KDE guys , I curse ATI guys and I curse my self to coose ATI .
I never think it was a distro problem.So ? Me thinks Debianistas does not like KDE.... Because of favor for GNOME or some other stupid obsession to pure GNU in their twisted mind.Yeah , I like Debian too and use my servers all time .
And I like ( k ) ubuntu too.And nowI say.Both of them SUCK ON KDE4If you are Debian or Debian derivated distro user and have problems with KDE4 just try something else.Results may interesting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess.
Most of KDE 4 nay sayers using Debian or debian based (kubuntu etc) distro... Right ?So here my story...After Kubuntu 8 my KDE pains was begin.
No real ATI support (for dual desktop).
Sucked performance, Weird Firefox problems.
Some extensions never work because of that, this  .
I re fresh install every Kubuntu relases.
Problems are same.
Somewhere between 8.10 and 9.00 I try to use Debian desktop same results.
And I use that desktop for my work.
My anger grows and grows.
Day by day I feel like I'm using Windows 95...One day, After one maybe more years of sucking KDE 4 experience, I was nearly switching WIndows after more than 10 years of Linux Desktop usage, at that time, I search something, on a forum, somebody suggest that Sabayon Linux (gentoo based binary thingy) for some better video peformance or someting.
I decide to give a try..After first setup probably 4 months pass.Results are interesting.No ATI problem.
Dual desktop (which I could not run ever under Kubuntu/Debian) run like snap.
Decent desktop performance.
It was very nice feeling to using Linux Desktop again.Still have problem with Pulse audio and Flash videos and some times Skype gone mad.Other than than it was fine and working...And this bad KDE4 experience on Debian smells to bad...No one can tell me they can't fix that sucking Video Card problem more than a year.
At that time, I curse KDE guys, I curse ATI guys and I curse my self to coose ATI.
I never think it was a distro problem.So ?Me thinks Debianistas does not like KDE.... Because of favor for GNOME or some other stupid obsession to pure GNU  in their twisted mind.Yeah, I like Debian too and use my servers all time.
And I like (k)ubuntu too.And nowI say.Both of them SUCK ON KDE4If you are Debian or Debian derivated distro user and have problems with KDE4 just try something else.Results may interesting...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31085740</id>
	<title>Re:Gnome 3</title>
	<author>segedunum</author>
	<datestamp>1265039940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Plasma is so far ahead of Gnome 3's Shell it isn't even funny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plasma is so far ahead of Gnome 3 's Shell it is n't even funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plasma is so far ahead of Gnome 3's Shell it isn't even funny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075430</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075272</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265743320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no such thing as a taskbar. There are Plasma panels, and these can be located pretty much anywhere you want. Just add a new panel to the top of the screen and put whatever widgets in there that you want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no such thing as a taskbar .
There are Plasma panels , and these can be located pretty much anywhere you want .
Just add a new panel to the top of the screen and put whatever widgets in there that you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no such thing as a taskbar.
There are Plasma panels, and these can be located pretty much anywhere you want.
Just add a new panel to the top of the screen and put whatever widgets in there that you want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076012</id>
	<title>Nepomuk</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265745780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My only complaint with 4.4 is that I get an error message if I'm not running Nepomuk.</p><p>If I start it, it crashes most of the time. Even when it runs without crashing, it does nothing for me. I've noticed that every major distro has open bugs relating to Nepomuk crashes, and I'm not seeing fixes to be found anywhere.</p><p>If enough apps do a good job of making Nepomuk useful, then I might consider it in the future. But right now I have zero interest in it, and it isn't exactly optional in KDE 4.4.</p><p>It is the only ugly wart on an otherwise great release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My only complaint with 4.4 is that I get an error message if I 'm not running Nepomuk.If I start it , it crashes most of the time .
Even when it runs without crashing , it does nothing for me .
I 've noticed that every major distro has open bugs relating to Nepomuk crashes , and I 'm not seeing fixes to be found anywhere.If enough apps do a good job of making Nepomuk useful , then I might consider it in the future .
But right now I have zero interest in it , and it is n't exactly optional in KDE 4.4.It is the only ugly wart on an otherwise great release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My only complaint with 4.4 is that I get an error message if I'm not running Nepomuk.If I start it, it crashes most of the time.
Even when it runs without crashing, it does nothing for me.
I've noticed that every major distro has open bugs relating to Nepomuk crashes, and I'm not seeing fixes to be found anywhere.If enough apps do a good job of making Nepomuk useful, then I might consider it in the future.
But right now I have zero interest in it, and it isn't exactly optional in KDE 4.4.It is the only ugly wart on an otherwise great release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31078110</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265710860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seem to be confused, as you only need to go to the panel settings and drag the taskbar to the top of your screen to be able to have your taskbar in the top of the screen. But in order for you to figure that out you would need to have both your eyes and your brain above your nose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to be confused , as you only need to go to the panel settings and drag the taskbar to the top of your screen to be able to have your taskbar in the top of the screen .
But in order for you to figure that out you would need to have both your eyes and your brain above your nose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to be confused, as you only need to go to the panel settings and drag the taskbar to the top of your screen to be able to have your taskbar in the top of the screen.
But in order for you to figure that out you would need to have both your eyes and your brain above your nose.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076948</id>
	<title>But is it good enough..</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1265706120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>to be the default desktop in a distro ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>to be the default desktop in a distro ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to be the default desktop in a distro ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076412</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265747280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right click on a panel area with no widgets, pick "Panel settings" in context menu. A toolbar will appear next to the panel, one of the buttons is "Screen Edge" that you can use to move it to the top (or sides or whatever). Just tested it on KUbuntu 9.10 (karmic) and works fine...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right click on a panel area with no widgets , pick " Panel settings " in context menu .
A toolbar will appear next to the panel , one of the buttons is " Screen Edge " that you can use to move it to the top ( or sides or whatever ) .
Just tested it on KUbuntu 9.10 ( karmic ) and works fine.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right click on a panel area with no widgets, pick "Panel settings" in context menu.
A toolbar will appear next to the panel, one of the buttons is "Screen Edge" that you can use to move it to the top (or sides or whatever).
Just tested it on KUbuntu 9.10 (karmic) and works fine...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31079700</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265717580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva or OpenSUSE. Gentoo and Arch are fine too, but after 10 years, it may be hard to install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva or OpenSUSE .
Gentoo and Arch are fine too , but after 10 years , it may be hard to install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva or OpenSUSE.
Gentoo and Arch are fine too, but after 10 years, it may be hard to install.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31081846</id>
	<title>They are getting there....</title>
	<author>wolf1oo</author>
	<datestamp>1265733960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've gotta say, the KDE team has really taken far strides since 4.1. When 4.1 first came out, I thought it was pretty interesting, but I just hated using it. But this seems like they are making it more streamlined and adding many very functional and productive features to it!</p><p>That being said, I still stick with my KDE 3.5<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D Always my favorite</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got ta say , the KDE team has really taken far strides since 4.1 .
When 4.1 first came out , I thought it was pretty interesting , but I just hated using it .
But this seems like they are making it more streamlined and adding many very functional and productive features to it ! That being said , I still stick with my KDE 3.5 : D Always my favorite</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've gotta say, the KDE team has really taken far strides since 4.1.
When 4.1 first came out, I thought it was pretty interesting, but I just hated using it.
But this seems like they are making it more streamlined and adding many very functional and productive features to it!That being said, I still stick with my KDE 3.5 :D Always my favorite</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31079336</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1265715720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Arch. I got sick of beating myself up with Kubuntu about 2 years ago, and I haven't looked back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Arch .
I got sick of beating myself up with Kubuntu about 2 years ago , and I have n't looked back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arch.
I got sick of beating myself up with Kubuntu about 2 years ago, and I haven't looked back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074518</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265740680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The KDE team isn't responsible for what happened to Amarok, that is a seperate project.</p><p>I totally agree though, Amarok turned into complete and utter shit, I used to love Amarok but now I just use xmms2.  KDE 4.x has been perfectly usable since 4.3 imho, though I've been using it since 4.1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The KDE team is n't responsible for what happened to Amarok , that is a seperate project.I totally agree though , Amarok turned into complete and utter shit , I used to love Amarok but now I just use xmms2 .
KDE 4.x has been perfectly usable since 4.3 imho , though I 've been using it since 4.1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The KDE team isn't responsible for what happened to Amarok, that is a seperate project.I totally agree though, Amarok turned into complete and utter shit, I used to love Amarok but now I just use xmms2.
KDE 4.x has been perfectly usable since 4.3 imho, though I've been using it since 4.1.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074396</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31078950</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265714160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenSUSE is meant to be the best but I hear Fedora is also good. Avoid kubuntu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenSUSE is meant to be the best but I hear Fedora is also good .
Avoid kubuntu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenSUSE is meant to be the best but I hear Fedora is also good.
Avoid kubuntu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076770</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1265748660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My eyes are above my nose, mot in my chin.</i></p><p>But obviously your head is in your ass. You could change the panel positions in 4.1, IIRC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My eyes are above my nose , mot in my chin.But obviously your head is in your ass .
You could change the panel positions in 4.1 , IIRC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My eyes are above my nose, mot in my chin.But obviously your head is in your ass.
You could change the panel positions in 4.1, IIRC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076010</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265745780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mepis 8.49 beta is the most stable beta you will ever use.<br>Way  more stable than Ubuntu !<br>Warren Woodford  polishes Debian to a gem-like sheen.<br>-Jay</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mepis 8.49 beta is the most stable beta you will ever use.Way more stable than Ubuntu ! Warren Woodford polishes Debian to a gem-like sheen.-Jay</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mepis 8.49 beta is the most stable beta you will ever use.Way  more stable than Ubuntu !Warren Woodford  polishes Debian to a gem-like sheen.-Jay</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076710</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265748480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(posting anon because of moderation)</p><p>Try <a href="http://chakra-project.org/" title="chakra-project.org" rel="nofollow">Chakra</a> [chakra-project.org]. Easy to install, but Arch at heart, so it really is as customizable (not just KDE, but the entire distro) as you want it to be. But there are GUI tools for newcomers as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( posting anon because of moderation ) Try Chakra [ chakra-project.org ] .
Easy to install , but Arch at heart , so it really is as customizable ( not just KDE , but the entire distro ) as you want it to be .
But there are GUI tools for newcomers as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(posting anon because of moderation)Try Chakra [chakra-project.org].
Easy to install, but Arch at heart, so it really is as customizable (not just KDE, but the entire distro) as you want it to be.
But there are GUI tools for newcomers as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31078400</id>
	<title>the site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265711820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the site now mimics the horrid state of the kde gui: overdone yet somehow less useful than the old interface.  that menu at the top is fucking annoying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the site now mimics the horrid state of the kde gui : overdone yet somehow less useful than the old interface .
that menu at the top is fucking annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the site now mimics the horrid state of the kde gui: overdone yet somehow less useful than the old interface.
that menu at the top is fucking annoying.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31080100</id>
	<title>Re:KBadDesign</title>
	<author>rhavenn</author>
	<datestamp>1265719860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS Excel? If it wasn't part of the vernacular I would consider that a very poor name as well.<br>MS Powerpoint? Sounds like a game or new hand gesture interface.</p><p>The names only sound weird because the software is obscure. In the past KDE went a little overboard with the K naming convention, but I think they've pulled back from that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS Excel ?
If it was n't part of the vernacular I would consider that a very poor name as well.MS Powerpoint ?
Sounds like a game or new hand gesture interface.The names only sound weird because the software is obscure .
In the past KDE went a little overboard with the K naming convention , but I think they 've pulled back from that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS Excel?
If it wasn't part of the vernacular I would consider that a very poor name as well.MS Powerpoint?
Sounds like a game or new hand gesture interface.The names only sound weird because the software is obscure.
In the past KDE went a little overboard with the K naming convention, but I think they've pulled back from that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31077756</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31077608</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265708820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My experience with openSUSE is very good to get a good impression of what KDE 4 can do, it's also well setup out of the box.<br>There's an upgrade guide here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My experience with openSUSE is very good to get a good impression of what KDE 4 can do , it 's also well setup out of the box.There 's an upgrade guide here : http : //en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My experience with openSUSE is very good to get a good impression of what KDE 4 can do, it's also well setup out of the box.There's an upgrade guide here: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Upgrade</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075814</id>
	<title>What about plasma-widget-networkmanager ?</title>
	<author>zx-15</author>
	<datestamp>1265745180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was that thing finally rewritten, because knetworkmanager is kind of pathetic -- it doesn't even show type of encryption of available networks, and I know I could get that information from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sbin/iwlist, but the whole purpose of that program is to be convenient, and it fails at that. What happened to network manager plasmoid, where did it go in 4.2, is it coming back and why in gnome everything is working. (netbook-remix is sweet, BTW).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was that thing finally rewritten , because knetworkmanager is kind of pathetic -- it does n't even show type of encryption of available networks , and I know I could get that information from /sbin/iwlist , but the whole purpose of that program is to be convenient , and it fails at that .
What happened to network manager plasmoid , where did it go in 4.2 , is it coming back and why in gnome everything is working .
( netbook-remix is sweet , BTW ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was that thing finally rewritten, because knetworkmanager is kind of pathetic -- it doesn't even show type of encryption of available networks, and I know I could get that information from /sbin/iwlist, but the whole purpose of that program is to be convenient, and it fails at that.
What happened to network manager plasmoid, where did it go in 4.2, is it coming back and why in gnome everything is working.
(netbook-remix is sweet, BTW).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076400</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265747220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh my, your nose must be big.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh my , your nose must be big .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh my, your nose must be big.
:-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31083206</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>timbo234</author>
	<datestamp>1265017320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandriva or OpenSuse. Avoid Kubuntu at all costs, even Ubuntu + Installing KDE would be better, but not as good as the aforementioned proper distros that support both desktop environments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandriva or OpenSuse .
Avoid Kubuntu at all costs , even Ubuntu + Installing KDE would be better , but not as good as the aforementioned proper distros that support both desktop environments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandriva or OpenSuse.
Avoid Kubuntu at all costs, even Ubuntu + Installing KDE would be better, but not as good as the aforementioned proper distros that support both desktop environments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075590</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31080178</id>
	<title>Re:Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265720340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only do I have my "taskbar" at the top, set to autohide, but I have it perfectly sized so that the window menu on the left side, and the min/max/exit buttons on the right side are still exposed when the taskbar is showing, so I don't accidently hit the taskbar when I'm tossing my mouse into the corner of my screen. Suck it, Gnome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only do I have my " taskbar " at the top , set to autohide , but I have it perfectly sized so that the window menu on the left side , and the min/max/exit buttons on the right side are still exposed when the taskbar is showing , so I do n't accidently hit the taskbar when I 'm tossing my mouse into the corner of my screen .
Suck it , Gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only do I have my "taskbar" at the top, set to autohide, but I have it perfectly sized so that the window menu on the left side, and the min/max/exit buttons on the right side are still exposed when the taskbar is showing, so I don't accidently hit the taskbar when I'm tossing my mouse into the corner of my screen.
Suck it, Gnome.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31081600</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>HBoar</author>
	<datestamp>1265731260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, yes; as with early KDE4 releases, early Amarok 2 releases were pretty bad.  But as with KDE, the vast majority of the problems/gripes have now been fixed, and it is now a great music player once more. IMO, it's better than 1.4.  How long is everyone planning on holding these ridiculous grudges?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , yes ; as with early KDE4 releases , early Amarok 2 releases were pretty bad .
But as with KDE , the vast majority of the problems/gripes have now been fixed , and it is now a great music player once more .
IMO , it 's better than 1.4 .
How long is everyone planning on holding these ridiculous grudges ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, yes; as with early KDE4 releases, early Amarok 2 releases were pretty bad.
But as with KDE, the vast majority of the problems/gripes have now been fixed, and it is now a great music player once more.
IMO, it's better than 1.4.
How long is everyone planning on holding these ridiculous grudges?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076738</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075554</id>
	<title>Come a long way</title>
	<author>C\_Kode</author>
	<datestamp>1265744280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The decision to seriously overhaul KDE was a great decisions in the long run though it was completely unusable for several releases after the switch.  I must say, it is beautiful now.  With this release, I think it's time for me to switch back.</p><p>I love the new features shown in the videos.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The decision to seriously overhaul KDE was a great decisions in the long run though it was completely unusable for several releases after the switch .
I must say , it is beautiful now .
With this release , I think it 's time for me to switch back.I love the new features shown in the videos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The decision to seriously overhaul KDE was a great decisions in the long run though it was completely unusable for several releases after the switch.
I must say, it is beautiful now.
With this release, I think it's time for me to switch back.I love the new features shown in the videos.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31090336</id>
	<title>What about...</title>
	<author>tenco</author>
	<datestamp>1265017020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... Dolphin being faster? Last time i checked it was slow like hell. Especially deleting files and resizing it's window. And does Okular(?) now have an implementation of annotations which isn't braindead and actually usable? Is it comparable to PdfXChangeViewer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Dolphin being faster ?
Last time i checked it was slow like hell .
Especially deleting files and resizing it 's window .
And does Okular ( ?
) now have an implementation of annotations which is n't braindead and actually usable ?
Is it comparable to PdfXChangeViewer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Dolphin being faster?
Last time i checked it was slow like hell.
Especially deleting files and resizing it's window.
And does Okular(?
) now have an implementation of annotations which isn't braindead and actually usable?
Is it comparable to PdfXChangeViewer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31079542</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>ArsenneLupin</author>
	<datestamp>1265716680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While things are <em>different</em></p> </div><p>Different? Let's call it what it is: buggy. A music player for which you can't edit play lists once defined. A terminal emulator which opens in new and creatively different sizes each time you invoke it. Same terminal emulator which likes to append random number of spaces to copy-pasted lines. WTF?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While things are different Different ?
Let 's call it what it is : buggy .
A music player for which you ca n't edit play lists once defined .
A terminal emulator which opens in new and creatively different sizes each time you invoke it .
Same terminal emulator which likes to append random number of spaces to copy-pasted lines .
WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While things are different Different?
Let's call it what it is: buggy.
A music player for which you can't edit play lists once defined.
A terminal emulator which opens in new and creatively different sizes each time you invoke it.
Same terminal emulator which likes to append random number of spaces to copy-pasted lines.
WTF?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074512</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31088644</id>
	<title>Re:Did they get rid of that damned cashew?</title>
	<author>Filip22012005</author>
	<datestamp>1265052420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a plasmoid for that. Actually, there are several. IHateTheCashew for example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a plasmoid for that .
Actually , there are several .
IHateTheCashew for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a plasmoid for that.
Actually, there are several.
IHateTheCashew for example.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31080070</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076158</id>
	<title>does multiple monitors work now?</title>
	<author>rhavenn</author>
	<datestamp>1265746260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, does it now work with multiple independent X screens? I have 2 monitors and find Xinerama and Twinview to be annoying, but as much as I love KDE I just can't use it without having the 2nd monitor work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does it now work with multiple independent X screens ?
I have 2 monitors and find Xinerama and Twinview to be annoying , but as much as I love KDE I just ca n't use it without having the 2nd monitor work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does it now work with multiple independent X screens?
I have 2 monitors and find Xinerama and Twinview to be annoying, but as much as I love KDE I just can't use it without having the 2nd monitor work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31080070</id>
	<title>Did they get rid of that damned cashew?</title>
	<author>QCompson</author>
	<datestamp>1265719680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously.  Provide a damn option to get rid of the cashew.  I realize suse has put this option in, but it's a little annoying that the KDE team <i>refuses</i> to add that option in (at least as far as 4.3) given the overwhelming negative feedback they've received.  The only person in the world who likes that stupid cashew is Aaron Seigo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Provide a damn option to get rid of the cashew .
I realize suse has put this option in , but it 's a little annoying that the KDE team refuses to add that option in ( at least as far as 4.3 ) given the overwhelming negative feedback they 've received .
The only person in the world who likes that stupid cashew is Aaron Seigo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Provide a damn option to get rid of the cashew.
I realize suse has put this option in, but it's a little annoying that the KDE team refuses to add that option in (at least as far as 4.3) given the overwhelming negative feedback they've received.
The only person in the world who likes that stupid cashew is Aaron Seigo.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074390</id>
	<title>Sweet</title>
	<author>stoolpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1265740140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking forward to when this rolls out to Fedora 12.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking forward to when this rolls out to Fedora 12 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking forward to when this rolls out to Fedora 12.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31080692</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>MMC Monster</author>
	<datestamp>1265723700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amarok took several steps backwards... and then veered off into the woods somewhere.</p><p>There was a time when Amarok was a favorite music player on Gnome desktops.  There are a lot of good alternatives out there now, who are all growing organically without the horrible design mistakes that Amarok went through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amarok took several steps backwards... and then veered off into the woods somewhere.There was a time when Amarok was a favorite music player on Gnome desktops .
There are a lot of good alternatives out there now , who are all growing organically without the horrible design mistakes that Amarok went through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amarok took several steps backwards... and then veered off into the woods somewhere.There was a time when Amarok was a favorite music player on Gnome desktops.
There are a lot of good alternatives out there now, who are all growing organically without the horrible design mistakes that Amarok went through.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074518</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31084752</id>
	<title>The release notes in other languages?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265035140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When a new Gnome version is released, we can read the release notes (new features guide) in multiple languages.</p><p>How about KDE?</p><p>http://kde.org/announcements/4.4/</p><p>In the time of this writing, I see 9 languages only. Nice start, but not even close to Gnome's. Yeah, I do speak English, but some people would be more comfortable reading in their native language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When a new Gnome version is released , we can read the release notes ( new features guide ) in multiple languages.How about KDE ? http : //kde.org/announcements/4.4/In the time of this writing , I see 9 languages only .
Nice start , but not even close to Gnome 's .
Yeah , I do speak English , but some people would be more comfortable reading in their native language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a new Gnome version is released, we can read the release notes (new features guide) in multiple languages.How about KDE?http://kde.org/announcements/4.4/In the time of this writing, I see 9 languages only.
Nice start, but not even close to Gnome's.
Yeah, I do speak English, but some people would be more comfortable reading in their native language.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31078200</id>
	<title>It works for me</title>
	<author>peraspera</author>
	<datestamp>1265711100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It works for me and I wouldn't go back to KDE3. I'm on OpenSuSE, though. I'm on 11.2 now and it just works.
I don't understand all this criticism. Maybe a bad distro or resistance to new concepts, I don't know.
Still, I have a few problems: Kaffeine does not handle well DVB TV (the KDE3 version was perfect) and
I haven't found a use for Nepomuk. I hope 4.4 fix these minor problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It works for me and I would n't go back to KDE3 .
I 'm on OpenSuSE , though .
I 'm on 11.2 now and it just works .
I do n't understand all this criticism .
Maybe a bad distro or resistance to new concepts , I do n't know .
Still , I have a few problems : Kaffeine does not handle well DVB TV ( the KDE3 version was perfect ) and I have n't found a use for Nepomuk .
I hope 4.4 fix these minor problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It works for me and I wouldn't go back to KDE3.
I'm on OpenSuSE, though.
I'm on 11.2 now and it just works.
I don't understand all this criticism.
Maybe a bad distro or resistance to new concepts, I don't know.
Still, I have a few problems: Kaffeine does not handle well DVB TV (the KDE3 version was perfect) and
I haven't found a use for Nepomuk.
I hope 4.4 fix these minor problems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074956</id>
	<title>Can I put my taskbar at top now?</title>
	<author>xoundmind</author>
	<datestamp>1265742360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why, oh, why would they have removed such a basic desktop functionality.
My eyes are above my nose, mot in my chin.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why , oh , why would they have removed such a basic desktop functionality .
My eyes are above my nose , mot in my chin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why, oh, why would they have removed such a basic desktop functionality.
My eyes are above my nose, mot in my chin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31077892</id>
	<title>Silver Lining</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265710020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know the best thing about the KDE 4 mess? It gave me an excuse to give up on KDE &amp; Gnome. I am now a happy Awesome WM user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know the best thing about the KDE 4 mess ?
It gave me an excuse to give up on KDE &amp; Gnome .
I am now a happy Awesome WM user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know the best thing about the KDE 4 mess?
It gave me an excuse to give up on KDE &amp; Gnome.
I am now a happy Awesome WM user.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075430</id>
	<title>Gnome 3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265743860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone else on here notice the video of Plasma Desktop on the release page? It looks awfully similar to the proposed <a href="http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/09/gnome-3-quick-visual-tour.html" title="omgubuntu.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Gnome Shell for Gnome 3.0</a> [omgubuntu.co.uk]. I don't believe in that KDE vs GNOME fanboy nonsense, but I think it's more than fair to compare them from a technological standpoint. The primary feature pushing Gnome 3.0 was Gnome Shell, but KDE has almost completely duplicated its functionality 6 months before 3.0's release date - assuming it won't be as buggy as Plasma was when it started out.<br> <br>I wonder how this will affect the future of KDE and Gnome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else on here notice the video of Plasma Desktop on the release page ?
It looks awfully similar to the proposed Gnome Shell for Gnome 3.0 [ omgubuntu.co.uk ] .
I do n't believe in that KDE vs GNOME fanboy nonsense , but I think it 's more than fair to compare them from a technological standpoint .
The primary feature pushing Gnome 3.0 was Gnome Shell , but KDE has almost completely duplicated its functionality 6 months before 3.0 's release date - assuming it wo n't be as buggy as Plasma was when it started out .
I wonder how this will affect the future of KDE and Gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else on here notice the video of Plasma Desktop on the release page?
It looks awfully similar to the proposed Gnome Shell for Gnome 3.0 [omgubuntu.co.uk].
I don't believe in that KDE vs GNOME fanboy nonsense, but I think it's more than fair to compare them from a technological standpoint.
The primary feature pushing Gnome 3.0 was Gnome Shell, but KDE has almost completely duplicated its functionality 6 months before 3.0's release date - assuming it won't be as buggy as Plasma was when it started out.
I wonder how this will affect the future of KDE and Gnome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31082792</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265056200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good news is, for php development, KDevelop rocks. It has PHP plugin which is really awesome.<br>Try it out. (First stable version should be released in very near future)</p><p>As for Quanta, it is going to be KDevelop, except that it has web-development plugins, enabled. So KDevelop's progress equals Quanta+'s progress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good news is , for php development , KDevelop rocks .
It has PHP plugin which is really awesome.Try it out .
( First stable version should be released in very near future ) As for Quanta , it is going to be KDevelop , except that it has web-development plugins , enabled .
So KDevelop 's progress equals Quanta + 's progress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good news is, for php development, KDevelop rocks.
It has PHP plugin which is really awesome.Try it out.
(First stable version should be released in very near future)As for Quanta, it is going to be KDevelop, except that it has web-development plugins, enabled.
So KDevelop's progress equals Quanta+'s progress.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31074512</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31078050</id>
	<title>Re:What about plasma-widget-networkmanager ?</title>
	<author>Jane\_Dozey</author>
	<datestamp>1265710620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After hating knetworkmanager, the newer plasmoid seems to work very nicely. I use it when I take my laptop out and about and have never had an issue finding and connecting to networks. Encryption is dealt with just fine now.</p><p>YMMV though as I'm not out and about all that often, just often enough to see that it's working for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After hating knetworkmanager , the newer plasmoid seems to work very nicely .
I use it when I take my laptop out and about and have never had an issue finding and connecting to networks .
Encryption is dealt with just fine now.YMMV though as I 'm not out and about all that often , just often enough to see that it 's working for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After hating knetworkmanager, the newer plasmoid seems to work very nicely.
I use it when I take my laptop out and about and have never had an issue finding and connecting to networks.
Encryption is dealt with just fine now.YMMV though as I'm not out and about all that often, just often enough to see that it's working for me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075814</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31079408</id>
	<title>Re:KBadDesign</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1265716080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs? Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names: Neopomuk, Dolphin, Gwenview, Blogilo, KGet, Kopete, Kstars, Parley, Marble, Cantor, Rocs, Nepomuk, Akonadi, Kauth, KNewStuff3?</i></p><p>You're right. You'd never catch reputable software distributors carrying on with such shenanigans. Like Adobe Flash, Apple iPods, Microsoft Excel, or Mozilla Firefox. I mean, where do these KDE guys get off?</p><p><i>(Please tag as flamebait since<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ers don't like these kinds of challenges.)</i></p><p>Nah, I'll see it and raise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs ?
Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names : Neopomuk , Dolphin , Gwenview , Blogilo , KGet , Kopete , Kstars , Parley , Marble , Cantor , Rocs , Nepomuk , Akonadi , Kauth , KNewStuff3 ? You 're right .
You 'd never catch reputable software distributors carrying on with such shenanigans .
Like Adobe Flash , Apple iPods , Microsoft Excel , or Mozilla Firefox .
I mean , where do these KDE guys get off ?
( Please tag as flamebait since ./ers do n't like these kinds of challenges .
) Nah , I 'll see it and raise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do the KDE developers insist on using uber-bizarre names for user programs?
Can you get even the slightest idea what these programs do from reading their names: Neopomuk, Dolphin, Gwenview, Blogilo, KGet, Kopete, Kstars, Parley, Marble, Cantor, Rocs, Nepomuk, Akonadi, Kauth, KNewStuff3?You're right.
You'd never catch reputable software distributors carrying on with such shenanigans.
Like Adobe Flash, Apple iPods, Microsoft Excel, or Mozilla Firefox.
I mean, where do these KDE guys get off?
(Please tag as flamebait since ./ers don't like these kinds of challenges.
)Nah, I'll see it and raise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31077428</id>
	<title>Like the new glowing website</title>
	<author>teklob</author>
	<datestamp>1265708100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe just me, but (XP / Google chrome) when I highlight text on the new KDE site, it has a faint aura around the letters. Very cool</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe just me , but ( XP / Google chrome ) when I highlight text on the new KDE site , it has a faint aura around the letters .
Very cool</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe just me, but (XP / Google chrome) when I highlight text on the new KDE site, it has a faint aura around the letters.
Very cool</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076738</id>
	<title>Re:Is it time to look yet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265748600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I totally agree though, Amarok turned into complete and utter shit</i></p><p>Hard to believe, but this is an understatement. I cannot think of any application that turned into a huge steaming pile like Amarok. Maybe Kino after the 0.6.x changes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree though , Amarok turned into complete and utter shitHard to believe , but this is an understatement .
I can not think of any application that turned into a huge steaming pile like Amarok .
Maybe Kino after the 0.6.x changes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree though, Amarok turned into complete and utter shitHard to believe, but this is an understatement.
I cannot think of any application that turned into a huge steaming pile like Amarok.
Maybe Kino after the 0.6.x changes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31075906</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265745420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>openSUSE is the best in my opinion. If you install the 11.3 Milestone 1 (alpha release) it comes with an early build of KDE 4.4 out of the box. Or you can install openSUSE 11.2, add a KDE repository, and grab the latest KDE that way.</p><p>They have good Firefox and OpenOffice integration with KDE, stable packages, and a great desktop overall.</p><p>Arch, Fedora, and Sabayon also put out good KDE 4 desktops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>openSUSE is the best in my opinion .
If you install the 11.3 Milestone 1 ( alpha release ) it comes with an early build of KDE 4.4 out of the box .
Or you can install openSUSE 11.2 , add a KDE repository , and grab the latest KDE that way.They have good Firefox and OpenOffice integration with KDE , stable packages , and a great desktop overall.Arch , Fedora , and Sabayon also put out good KDE 4 desktops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openSUSE is the best in my opinion.
If you install the 11.3 Milestone 1 (alpha release) it comes with an early build of KDE 4.4 out of the box.
Or you can install openSUSE 11.2, add a KDE repository, and grab the latest KDE that way.They have good Firefox and OpenOffice integration with KDE, stable packages, and a great desktop overall.Arch, Fedora, and Sabayon also put out good KDE 4 desktops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31134938</id>
	<title>Re:What about plasma-widget-networkmanager ?</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1266167880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shit, I don't even know. I gave up on it with 4.2 and started using wicd, and I haven't bothered to look since.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shit , I do n't even know .
I gave up on it with 4.2 and started using wicd , and I have n't bothered to look since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shit, I don't even know.
I gave up on it with 4.2 and started using wicd, and I haven't bothered to look since.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076016</id>
	<title>Re:What's a good KDE distro?</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1265745780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fedora.</p><p>I hear OpenSuse is good as well, though I cannot personally attest for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fedora.I hear OpenSuse is good as well , though I can not personally attest for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fedora.I hear OpenSuse is good as well, though I cannot personally attest for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_1617217.31076106</id>
	<title>Try it now on a Live CD</title>
	<author>Enderandrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265746020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>openSUSE 11.3 Milestone 1 includes KDE 4.4 RC2 (a build from two weeks ago)</p><p><a href="http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3-Milestone1/" title="opensuse.org">http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3-Milestone1/</a> [opensuse.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>openSUSE 11.3 Milestone 1 includes KDE 4.4 RC2 ( a build from two weeks ago ) http : //download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3-Milestone1/ [ opensuse.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>openSUSE 11.3 Milestone 1 includes KDE 4.4 RC2 (a build from two weeks ago)http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.3-Milestone1/ [opensuse.org]</sentencetext>
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