<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_09_0612246</id>
	<title>Man Fined $1.5 Million For Leaked Mario Game</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1265716440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"A Queensland man will have to <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/nintendo-pirate-to-pay-15m-20100209-np4i.html">pay Nintendo $1.5 million in damages</a> after illegally copying and uploading one of its recent games to the internet ahead of its release, the gaming giant says. Nintendo said the loss was caused when James Burt made <em>New Super Mario Bros Wii</em> available for illegal download a week ahead of its official Australian release in November of last year. Nintendo applied for and was granted a search order by the Federal Court, forcing Burt to disclose the whereabouts of all his computers, disks and electronic storage devices in November. He was also ordered to allow access, including passwords, to his social networking sites, email accounts and websites."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " A Queensland man will have to pay Nintendo $ 1.5 million in damages after illegally copying and uploading one of its recent games to the internet ahead of its release , the gaming giant says .
Nintendo said the loss was caused when James Burt made New Super Mario Bros Wii available for illegal download a week ahead of its official Australian release in November of last year .
Nintendo applied for and was granted a search order by the Federal Court , forcing Burt to disclose the whereabouts of all his computers , disks and electronic storage devices in November .
He was also ordered to allow access , including passwords , to his social networking sites , email accounts and websites .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "A Queensland man will have to pay Nintendo $1.5 million in damages after illegally copying and uploading one of its recent games to the internet ahead of its release, the gaming giant says.
Nintendo said the loss was caused when James Burt made New Super Mario Bros Wii available for illegal download a week ahead of its official Australian release in November of last year.
Nintendo applied for and was granted a search order by the Federal Court, forcing Burt to disclose the whereabouts of all his computers, disks and electronic storage devices in November.
He was also ordered to allow access, including passwords, to his social networking sites, email accounts and websites.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071730</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265729340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having RTFA</p></div><p>You must be new here</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having RTFAYou must be new here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having RTFAYou must be new here
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31075286</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1265743380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Proof: the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew, but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long (and counting).</i></p><p>Before you get into conspiracy theories, maybe that hole remains unfixed because a popular game relies on it and it's become a compatibility issue. There's also the slim possibility that Nintendo simply hasn't figured it out yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Proof : the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew , but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long ( and counting ) .Before you get into conspiracy theories , maybe that hole remains unfixed because a popular game relies on it and it 's become a compatibility issue .
There 's also the slim possibility that Nintendo simply has n't figured it out yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Proof: the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew, but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long (and counting).Before you get into conspiracy theories, maybe that hole remains unfixed because a popular game relies on it and it's become a compatibility issue.
There's also the slim possibility that Nintendo simply hasn't figured it out yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070984</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265725200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good.  That sends a message.  Don't forget that this guy had to have access to the game, which means he began in a position of trust.  That makes it a lot worse - <i>theft employee</i> is generally more harshly punished than regular theft.</p><p>Criminals don't get to choose their punishments; it simply doesn't work like that.</p><p>If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .
That sends a message .
Do n't forget that this guy had to have access to the game , which means he began in a position of trust .
That makes it a lot worse - theft employee is generally more harshly punished than regular theft.Criminals do n't get to choose their punishments ; it simply does n't work like that.If you ca n't pay the fine , do n't do the crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.
That sends a message.
Don't forget that this guy had to have access to the game, which means he began in a position of trust.
That makes it a lot worse - theft employee is generally more harshly punished than regular theft.Criminals don't get to choose their punishments; it simply doesn't work like that.If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070998</id>
	<title>Personal Bankruptcy</title>
	<author>Mathinker</author>
	<datestamp>1265725260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The sampling of posts I've seen here on Slashdot about the ramifications of personal bankruptcy lead me to believe that it is not something which "ruins your life for all eternity". I assume that Australia also has personal bankruptcy laws which prevent debt bondage of the form you are talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The sampling of posts I 've seen here on Slashdot about the ramifications of personal bankruptcy lead me to believe that it is not something which " ruins your life for all eternity " .
I assume that Australia also has personal bankruptcy laws which prevent debt bondage of the form you are talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sampling of posts I've seen here on Slashdot about the ramifications of personal bankruptcy lead me to believe that it is not something which "ruins your life for all eternity".
I assume that Australia also has personal bankruptcy laws which prevent debt bondage of the form you are talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070484</id>
	<title>Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1265720100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I often see many pro-piracy comments on slashdot on these things (probably also because pirates are more interested on the matter). But many times these are actual damages caused to companies. Putting out that game a week before surely counted a lot of illegal downloading and people not buying the game. Sure it's bad to for him, but those are the lost money for Nintendo. What's so wrong about them suing him?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I often see many pro-piracy comments on slashdot on these things ( probably also because pirates are more interested on the matter ) .
But many times these are actual damages caused to companies .
Putting out that game a week before surely counted a lot of illegal downloading and people not buying the game .
Sure it 's bad to for him , but those are the lost money for Nintendo .
What 's so wrong about them suing him ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I often see many pro-piracy comments on slashdot on these things (probably also because pirates are more interested on the matter).
But many times these are actual damages caused to companies.
Putting out that game a week before surely counted a lot of illegal downloading and people not buying the game.
Sure it's bad to for him, but those are the lost money for Nintendo.
What's so wrong about them suing him?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31081962</id>
	<title>Re:New Super Mario Bros Highest sold Wii game?</title>
	<author>bunkymag</author>
	<datestamp>1265735640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for that.. "software mongrel" has to be my favourite new insult!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for that.. " software mongrel " has to be my favourite new insult !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for that.. "software mongrel" has to be my favourite new insult!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070842</id>
	<title>his fault</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265723880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>his only fault was to get caught. imaginary damage projections of 1.5 millions $ are ridiculous. i bet nintendo did an agreement with him to take the blame and send a message to piracy, he will never give a penny</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>his only fault was to get caught .
imaginary damage projections of 1.5 millions $ are ridiculous .
i bet nintendo did an agreement with him to take the blame and send a message to piracy , he will never give a penny</tokentext>
<sentencetext>his only fault was to get caught.
imaginary damage projections of 1.5 millions $ are ridiculous.
i bet nintendo did an agreement with him to take the blame and send a message to piracy, he will never give a penny</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31073964</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265738520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And yet they still don't give a damn about piracy, technologically speaking, or at least they care about it a lot less than they care to annoy homebrewers and importers.</p><p>Proof: the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew, but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long (and counting). More proof: it would be trivial for them to detect and block modchips at the system update level, but so far they haven't even tried. Even more proof: NIntendo seems to be happy deliberately bricking your Wii if you have imported it, but it certainly hasn't even crossed their mind to do that for people who pirate. Yes, System Update 4.2 deliberately bricked all Korean Wiis that had been switched to the USA or EUR region. And by this I mean an explicit if(korean\_detected()) { show\_error\_code\_on\_boot(003); }.</p></div></blockquote><p>Not up to date on the homebrew scene? There's a fairly nice set of homebrew programs that let you pirate quite easily - at the very least, you pop in the DVD into the Wii, start the hard drive loader homebrew app, and copy it off to hard disk. Return/rent/repeat, and you'd have a large collection. Even better, *zero* hardware mods needed. Just install homebrew channel, install HD loader, connect a USB hard disk, done.</p><p>Ditto - download game off bittorrent, plug drive into PC, use app to copy it over (Wii uses a different filesystem). Poof, game is ready to play.</p><p>Legit homebrew is affected purely because of HD loader homebrew that allow it. People don't modchip if they can avoid it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And yet they still do n't give a damn about piracy , technologically speaking , or at least they care about it a lot less than they care to annoy homebrewers and importers.Proof : the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew , but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long ( and counting ) .
More proof : it would be trivial for them to detect and block modchips at the system update level , but so far they have n't even tried .
Even more proof : NIntendo seems to be happy deliberately bricking your Wii if you have imported it , but it certainly has n't even crossed their mind to do that for people who pirate .
Yes , System Update 4.2 deliberately bricked all Korean Wiis that had been switched to the USA or EUR region .
And by this I mean an explicit if ( korean \ _detected ( ) ) { show \ _error \ _code \ _on \ _boot ( 003 ) ; } .Not up to date on the homebrew scene ?
There 's a fairly nice set of homebrew programs that let you pirate quite easily - at the very least , you pop in the DVD into the Wii , start the hard drive loader homebrew app , and copy it off to hard disk .
Return/rent/repeat , and you 'd have a large collection .
Even better , * zero * hardware mods needed .
Just install homebrew channel , install HD loader , connect a USB hard disk , done.Ditto - download game off bittorrent , plug drive into PC , use app to copy it over ( Wii uses a different filesystem ) .
Poof , game is ready to play.Legit homebrew is affected purely because of HD loader homebrew that allow it .
People do n't modchip if they can avoid it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet they still don't give a damn about piracy, technologically speaking, or at least they care about it a lot less than they care to annoy homebrewers and importers.Proof: the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew, but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long (and counting).
More proof: it would be trivial for them to detect and block modchips at the system update level, but so far they haven't even tried.
Even more proof: NIntendo seems to be happy deliberately bricking your Wii if you have imported it, but it certainly hasn't even crossed their mind to do that for people who pirate.
Yes, System Update 4.2 deliberately bricked all Korean Wiis that had been switched to the USA or EUR region.
And by this I mean an explicit if(korean\_detected()) { show\_error\_code\_on\_boot(003); }.Not up to date on the homebrew scene?
There's a fairly nice set of homebrew programs that let you pirate quite easily - at the very least, you pop in the DVD into the Wii, start the hard drive loader homebrew app, and copy it off to hard disk.
Return/rent/repeat, and you'd have a large collection.
Even better, *zero* hardware mods needed.
Just install homebrew channel, install HD loader, connect a USB hard disk, done.Ditto - download game off bittorrent, plug drive into PC, use app to copy it over (Wii uses a different filesystem).
Poof, game is ready to play.Legit homebrew is affected purely because of HD loader homebrew that allow it.
People don't modchip if they can avoid it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070822</id>
	<title>region codes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265723700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those not in-the-know on this, the WII hacking comunity has tools to either change the region code on a game image or just completely ignore the region code on their game system. So this guy probobly just ran one of these tools on an existing game image and re-uploaded the game. Which, imo is no reason to fine him such a ridiculous amount. I doubt he got any special advanced copy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those not in-the-know on this , the WII hacking comunity has tools to either change the region code on a game image or just completely ignore the region code on their game system .
So this guy probobly just ran one of these tools on an existing game image and re-uploaded the game .
Which , imo is no reason to fine him such a ridiculous amount .
I doubt he got any special advanced copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those not in-the-know on this, the WII hacking comunity has tools to either change the region code on a game image or just completely ignore the region code on their game system.
So this guy probobly just ran one of these tools on an existing game image and re-uploaded the game.
Which, imo is no reason to fine him such a ridiculous amount.
I doubt he got any special advanced copy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071358</id>
	<title>W00T 7p!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265727360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and 5ling or table Usenet yis roughly</htmltext>
<tokenext>and 5ling or table Usenet yis roughly</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and 5ling or table Usenet yis roughly</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31072434</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>arkenian</author>
	<datestamp>1265732940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its damages.  Distributing the game before release can impact more than simply overall long-term sales (which I agree were probably not greatly affected), a lot can depend on the success of any product in its first week of sales etc.  Frankly I have limited sympathy with anyone who pirates a game before it is officially released, and I would fully expect the damages to be significantly higher than if the game were pirated a week after release.  Nintendo had gone to some effort, I'm sure, to ensure that various facilities got to do 'first look' stuff etc. etc. etc. which this totally screwed up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its damages .
Distributing the game before release can impact more than simply overall long-term sales ( which I agree were probably not greatly affected ) , a lot can depend on the success of any product in its first week of sales etc .
Frankly I have limited sympathy with anyone who pirates a game before it is officially released , and I would fully expect the damages to be significantly higher than if the game were pirated a week after release .
Nintendo had gone to some effort , I 'm sure , to ensure that various facilities got to do 'first look ' stuff etc .
etc. etc .
which this totally screwed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its damages.
Distributing the game before release can impact more than simply overall long-term sales (which I agree were probably not greatly affected), a lot can depend on the success of any product in its first week of sales etc.
Frankly I have limited sympathy with anyone who pirates a game before it is officially released, and I would fully expect the damages to be significantly higher than if the game were pirated a week after release.
Nintendo had gone to some effort, I'm sure, to ensure that various facilities got to do 'first look' stuff etc.
etc. etc.
which this totally screwed up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070762</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265723100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a point. BUT... the guy didn't just trip over and somehow end up leaking the game by accident. He made a conscious decision to do what he did, knowing full well it could land him in hot water. It was an easily avoidable situation which he chose to place himself into, and paid the price. A very high price, and probably an immoral price, but he made his choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a point .
BUT... the guy did n't just trip over and somehow end up leaking the game by accident .
He made a conscious decision to do what he did , knowing full well it could land him in hot water .
It was an easily avoidable situation which he chose to place himself into , and paid the price .
A very high price , and probably an immoral price , but he made his choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a point.
BUT... the guy didn't just trip over and somehow end up leaking the game by accident.
He made a conscious decision to do what he did, knowing full well it could land him in hot water.
It was an easily avoidable situation which he chose to place himself into, and paid the price.
A very high price, and probably an immoral price, but he made his choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31138756</id>
	<title>Uber-1337 Skillz</title>
	<author>DreadPirateAwesome</author>
	<datestamp>1266153720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Man, this guy's pretty awesome if he can steal, copy, upload, and spread a hot, new, game a week before it's released. I'm not saying what he did was right, but this guy could and should be making sick-nasty stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , this guy 's pretty awesome if he can steal , copy , upload , and spread a hot , new , game a week before it 's released .
I 'm not saying what he did was right , but this guy could and should be making sick-nasty stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, this guy's pretty awesome if he can steal, copy, upload, and spread a hot, new, game a week before it's released.
I'm not saying what he did was right, but this guy could and should be making sick-nasty stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31074370</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265740020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I Agree totally. This is like putting someone to death in the middle ages for poaching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I Agree totally .
This is like putting someone to death in the middle ages for poaching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I Agree totally.
This is like putting someone to death in the middle ages for poaching.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071798</id>
	<title>Did he do the damage?</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1265729700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's that easy for one ordinary person to do that much damage, then I think you have to call into question, philosophically, if it's really him that did the damage. Information can be copied, as a fundamental principle. They have created information, and people are copying it. Is that Burt's fault? By enabling information - whose inherent property is its reproducibility - to be reproduced, has he not just allowed the natural order to be established? I guess that's just a long-winded way of saying "information wants to be free", which is not a sound-bite that I usually adhere to, because "free" can be mistaken for "as in beer", whereas I think the phrase means "as in freedom".</p><p>And no, I'm not just a freetard, I do buy stuff. Games, music, movies, all very copyable, I do believe in paying for worthy content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's that easy for one ordinary person to do that much damage , then I think you have to call into question , philosophically , if it 's really him that did the damage .
Information can be copied , as a fundamental principle .
They have created information , and people are copying it .
Is that Burt 's fault ?
By enabling information - whose inherent property is its reproducibility - to be reproduced , has he not just allowed the natural order to be established ?
I guess that 's just a long-winded way of saying " information wants to be free " , which is not a sound-bite that I usually adhere to , because " free " can be mistaken for " as in beer " , whereas I think the phrase means " as in freedom " .And no , I 'm not just a freetard , I do buy stuff .
Games , music , movies , all very copyable , I do believe in paying for worthy content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's that easy for one ordinary person to do that much damage, then I think you have to call into question, philosophically, if it's really him that did the damage.
Information can be copied, as a fundamental principle.
They have created information, and people are copying it.
Is that Burt's fault?
By enabling information - whose inherent property is its reproducibility - to be reproduced, has he not just allowed the natural order to be established?
I guess that's just a long-winded way of saying "information wants to be free", which is not a sound-bite that I usually adhere to, because "free" can be mistaken for "as in beer", whereas I think the phrase means "as in freedom".And no, I'm not just a freetard, I do buy stuff.
Games, music, movies, all very copyable, I do believe in paying for worthy content.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31079544</id>
	<title>Re:New Super Mario Bros Highest sold Wii game?</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1265716740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or it could have been 8 million.  Since you are making numbers up, I can make up some too.  I assert (with proof, or even evidence of any kind) that the illegal pirating of the game led to 2 million more copies sold than if they didn't get the free publicity from all the pirates.  See, the "lets make up numbers game" is fun.<br> <br>And I guess, from the logic of people here, Nintendo owes him $100,000,000 for the extra games sold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or it could have been 8 million .
Since you are making numbers up , I can make up some too .
I assert ( with proof , or even evidence of any kind ) that the illegal pirating of the game led to 2 million more copies sold than if they did n't get the free publicity from all the pirates .
See , the " lets make up numbers game " is fun .
And I guess , from the logic of people here , Nintendo owes him $ 100,000,000 for the extra games sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or it could have been 8 million.
Since you are making numbers up, I can make up some too.
I assert (with proof, or even evidence of any kind) that the illegal pirating of the game led to 2 million more copies sold than if they didn't get the free publicity from all the pirates.
See, the "lets make up numbers game" is fun.
And I guess, from the logic of people here, Nintendo owes him $100,000,000 for the extra games sold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31074802</id>
	<title>this was stealing.</title>
	<author>luther349</author>
	<datestamp>1265741760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>theirs a big difference on pirating a game that's a year old then a early release. the older game has had its sales and normally after a year can only be found used. a game you leak early you have deprived Nintendo of sales in a big nasty way, even on 0 day releases at least the games on the shelf's leaving the option to buy. and a big title like super maro trust me i would buy it. i did have to pirate my smash bros game due to for some dammed reason my original copy as quit working. not even a scrach on the disk but my wii will not read it. but even then that's not stealing being i do own a original copy that no longer works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>theirs a big difference on pirating a game that 's a year old then a early release .
the older game has had its sales and normally after a year can only be found used .
a game you leak early you have deprived Nintendo of sales in a big nasty way , even on 0 day releases at least the games on the shelf 's leaving the option to buy .
and a big title like super maro trust me i would buy it .
i did have to pirate my smash bros game due to for some dammed reason my original copy as quit working .
not even a scrach on the disk but my wii will not read it .
but even then that 's not stealing being i do own a original copy that no longer works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>theirs a big difference on pirating a game that's a year old then a early release.
the older game has had its sales and normally after a year can only be found used.
a game you leak early you have deprived Nintendo of sales in a big nasty way, even on 0 day releases at least the games on the shelf's leaving the option to buy.
and a big title like super maro trust me i would buy it.
i did have to pirate my smash bros game due to for some dammed reason my original copy as quit working.
not even a scrach on the disk but my wii will not read it.
but even then that's not stealing being i do own a original copy that no longer works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31072374</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Svartalf</author>
	<datestamp>1265732640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Someone who buggers up that timetable is committing serious sabotage against that company, and consequently is going to get hit with a big stick - if only as a deterrent to others.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yep.  And, in the end, I think we're going to find that he's being charged with infringement, breach of trade secret, tortious interference, or some combo of part or all of the aforementioned before it's all said and done.  And, honestly, while I won't call it stealing like some have (it's not), he very definitely needs to face the fines he's got coming to him on this and I've no sympathy for him because it was a willful illegal act all the same.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone who buggers up that timetable is committing serious sabotage against that company , and consequently is going to get hit with a big stick - if only as a deterrent to others.Yep .
And , in the end , I think we 're going to find that he 's being charged with infringement , breach of trade secret , tortious interference , or some combo of part or all of the aforementioned before it 's all said and done .
And , honestly , while I wo n't call it stealing like some have ( it 's not ) , he very definitely needs to face the fines he 's got coming to him on this and I 've no sympathy for him because it was a willful illegal act all the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone who buggers up that timetable is committing serious sabotage against that company, and consequently is going to get hit with a big stick - if only as a deterrent to others.Yep.
And, in the end, I think we're going to find that he's being charged with infringement, breach of trade secret, tortious interference, or some combo of part or all of the aforementioned before it's all said and done.
And, honestly, while I won't call it stealing like some have (it's not), he very definitely needs to face the fines he's got coming to him on this and I've no sympathy for him because it was a willful illegal act all the same.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071518</id>
	<title>Re:New Super Mario Bros Highest sold Wii game?</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1265728140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question is how many would have sold if the game was not put out for unauthorized and illegal copying? It could have been 10 million and 1, or it could have been 20 million.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is how many would have sold if the game was not put out for unauthorized and illegal copying ?
It could have been 10 million and 1 , or it could have been 20 million .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is how many would have sold if the game was not put out for unauthorized and illegal copying?
It could have been 10 million and 1, or it could have been 20 million.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071242</id>
	<title>In America the fine would be smaller</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1265726640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." - United States Constitution, Amendment 8</p><p>In America the fine which goes to the government would've been well under $50,000, but the "restitution" and civil damages that go to the "victim" would've been much more than $1.5M if the industry had its way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Excessive bail shall not be required , nor excessive fines imposed , nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted .
" - United States Constitution , Amendment 8In America the fine which goes to the government would 've been well under $ 50,000 , but the " restitution " and civil damages that go to the " victim " would 've been much more than $ 1.5M if the industry had its way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
" - United States Constitution, Amendment 8In America the fine which goes to the government would've been well under $50,000, but the "restitution" and civil damages that go to the "victim" would've been much more than $1.5M if the industry had its way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070760</id>
	<title>Probably worked at a game store?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265723040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm just guessing here, but it's likely that he worked at a game store or somewhere similar.  They generally get the games early so that they can put them on shelves on the release date.  This is why you sometimes hear about a retailer who screws up the release date and sells games early.</p><p>If you're an employee, especially one with access to a shrink-wrap machine, you can simply "borrow" the game before it hits the shelves, copy it, wrap it, and put it back before anyone knows the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just guessing here , but it 's likely that he worked at a game store or somewhere similar .
They generally get the games early so that they can put them on shelves on the release date .
This is why you sometimes hear about a retailer who screws up the release date and sells games early.If you 're an employee , especially one with access to a shrink-wrap machine , you can simply " borrow " the game before it hits the shelves , copy it , wrap it , and put it back before anyone knows the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just guessing here, but it's likely that he worked at a game store or somewhere similar.
They generally get the games early so that they can put them on shelves on the release date.
This is why you sometimes hear about a retailer who screws up the release date and sells games early.If you're an employee, especially one with access to a shrink-wrap machine, you can simply "borrow" the game before it hits the shelves, copy it, wrap it, and put it back before anyone knows the difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070902</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265724480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the Swedish radio have reported this on the news they have claimed that he simply bought it at a store that accidentally started selling the game too soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the Swedish radio have reported this on the news they have claimed that he simply bought it at a store that accidentally started selling the game too soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the Swedish radio have reported this on the news they have claimed that he simply bought it at a store that accidentally started selling the game too soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070678</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265722080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That said, my personal point of view is that I'm perfectly ok with people like this getting sued, I'm not sure I'm ok with ruining their lives for all eternity as vengeance, and calling it "justice".</p></div></blockquote><p>Common sense tells you that a release of a new game (or movie or whatever) is a big event, and it goes off to a timetable in order to maximise the hype and all that.  Much as we hate those marketing types, that's reality.</p><p>Someone who buggers up that timetable is committing serious sabotage against that company, and consequently is going to get hit with a big stick - if only as a deterrent to others.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That said , my personal point of view is that I 'm perfectly ok with people like this getting sued , I 'm not sure I 'm ok with ruining their lives for all eternity as vengeance , and calling it " justice " .Common sense tells you that a release of a new game ( or movie or whatever ) is a big event , and it goes off to a timetable in order to maximise the hype and all that .
Much as we hate those marketing types , that 's reality.Someone who buggers up that timetable is committing serious sabotage against that company , and consequently is going to get hit with a big stick - if only as a deterrent to others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That said, my personal point of view is that I'm perfectly ok with people like this getting sued, I'm not sure I'm ok with ruining their lives for all eternity as vengeance, and calling it "justice".Common sense tells you that a release of a new game (or movie or whatever) is a big event, and it goes off to a timetable in order to maximise the hype and all that.
Much as we hate those marketing types, that's reality.Someone who buggers up that timetable is committing serious sabotage against that company, and consequently is going to get hit with a big stick - if only as a deterrent to others.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071828</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>DeKO</author>
	<datestamp>1265729880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The funny thing is the homebrew community does much more to fight piracy than Nintendo. They ban any app that even remotely might be used to facilitate piracy. And still Nintendo goes after the homebrew.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The funny thing is the homebrew community does much more to fight piracy than Nintendo .
They ban any app that even remotely might be used to facilitate piracy .
And still Nintendo goes after the homebrew .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The funny thing is the homebrew community does much more to fight piracy than Nintendo.
They ban any app that even remotely might be used to facilitate piracy.
And still Nintendo goes after the homebrew.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071632</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>whatajoke</author>
	<datestamp>1265728680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To flip this around, if someone committed a premeditated violent crime that they are sentenced to jail for 20 years, I wouldn't expect them to reduce the sentence for a 70 year old because "20 years might be all he's got left, it's a life sentence" vs. the 25 year old who committed the same crime.</p></div><p>Old age is considered all the time in parole hearings.

Also, if you think $1.5x10^6 is an appropriate fine for a middle class fellow, why is that the upper class never gets fined for robbing the middle class of money to the tune of 10^12? If you are fine with that double standard, then you can blow me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To flip this around , if someone committed a premeditated violent crime that they are sentenced to jail for 20 years , I would n't expect them to reduce the sentence for a 70 year old because " 20 years might be all he 's got left , it 's a life sentence " vs. the 25 year old who committed the same crime.Old age is considered all the time in parole hearings .
Also , if you think $ 1.5x10 ^ 6 is an appropriate fine for a middle class fellow , why is that the upper class never gets fined for robbing the middle class of money to the tune of 10 ^ 12 ?
If you are fine with that double standard , then you can blow me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To flip this around, if someone committed a premeditated violent crime that they are sentenced to jail for 20 years, I wouldn't expect them to reduce the sentence for a 70 year old because "20 years might be all he's got left, it's a life sentence" vs. the 25 year old who committed the same crime.Old age is considered all the time in parole hearings.
Also, if you think $1.5x10^6 is an appropriate fine for a middle class fellow, why is that the upper class never gets fined for robbing the middle class of money to the tune of 10^12?
If you are fine with that double standard, then you can blow me.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070580</id>
	<title>Proportionality.</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1265721120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>There should be some kind of proportion to the damages, seriously that amount ruins an <i>ordinary</i> person for the rest of their life.  Did the court deliberately set out to give him a life sentence of sorts?  And if the amounts are to be set at company rates for individuals he should have his own choice just to do some time for it.  Seriously, go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There should be some kind of proportion to the damages , seriously that amount ruins an ordinary person for the rest of their life .
Did the court deliberately set out to give him a life sentence of sorts ?
And if the amounts are to be set at company rates for individuals he should have his own choice just to do some time for it .
Seriously , go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There should be some kind of proportion to the damages, seriously that amount ruins an ordinary person for the rest of their life.
Did the court deliberately set out to give him a life sentence of sorts?
And if the amounts are to be set at company rates for individuals he should have his own choice just to do some time for it.
Seriously, go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070900</id>
	<title>Nasty!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265724480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one screws with Nintendo, they are notorious for turning anyone over when their IP is abused. One reason a lot of the more well known retro sites will not deal with Nintendo roms, as they know Nintendo will have them in court in a nanosecond.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one screws with Nintendo , they are notorious for turning anyone over when their IP is abused .
One reason a lot of the more well known retro sites will not deal with Nintendo roms , as they know Nintendo will have them in court in a nanosecond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one screws with Nintendo, they are notorious for turning anyone over when their IP is abused.
One reason a lot of the more well known retro sites will not deal with Nintendo roms, as they know Nintendo will have them in court in a nanosecond.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070652</id>
	<title>TROLLKORE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265721900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">a need to play OF AMERICA) today, that they cAn hold The developer and coders today. It's about that *bSD 0wned. poor dead last that has grown up</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>a need to play OF AMERICA ) today , that they cAn hold The developer and coders today .
It 's about that * bSD 0wned .
poor dead last that has grown up [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a need to play OF AMERICA) today, that they cAn hold The developer and coders today.
It's about that *bSD 0wned.
poor dead last that has grown up [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071630</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265728680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a proportion to the damages. It has nothing to do with what the perpetrator has, owns, or makes. It has to do with the <b>damage to the victim</b>. He took a game that was expected to sell 15 million copies and illegally released it on the internet. Then, when the game was released, it sold 10 million copies. The damages should be the profit from those 5 million unsold games. $1.5 million seems fair to me.</p><p>You act like James Burt is the victim, but he is not. He is the perpetrator. He doesn't get to chose his punishment, the state does.</p><p>There is an old saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime". Well, we can update it with "If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime."</p><p>Were you born a asshole or have you worked at it your whole life?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a proportion to the damages .
It has nothing to do with what the perpetrator has , owns , or makes .
It has to do with the damage to the victim .
He took a game that was expected to sell 15 million copies and illegally released it on the internet .
Then , when the game was released , it sold 10 million copies .
The damages should be the profit from those 5 million unsold games .
$ 1.5 million seems fair to me.You act like James Burt is the victim , but he is not .
He is the perpetrator .
He does n't get to chose his punishment , the state does.There is an old saying " If you ca n't do the time , do n't do the crime " .
Well , we can update it with " If you ca n't pay the fine , do n't do the crime .
" Were you born a asshole or have you worked at it your whole life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a proportion to the damages.
It has nothing to do with what the perpetrator has, owns, or makes.
It has to do with the damage to the victim.
He took a game that was expected to sell 15 million copies and illegally released it on the internet.
Then, when the game was released, it sold 10 million copies.
The damages should be the profit from those 5 million unsold games.
$1.5 million seems fair to me.You act like James Burt is the victim, but he is not.
He is the perpetrator.
He doesn't get to chose his punishment, the state does.There is an old saying "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".
Well, we can update it with "If you can't pay the fine, don't do the crime.
"Were you born a asshole or have you worked at it your whole life?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070884</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265724240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>here should be some kind of proportion to the damages, seriously that amount ruins an ordinary person for the rest of their life. Did the court deliberately set out to give him a life sentence of sorts? And if the amounts are to be set at company rates for individuals he should have his own choice just to do some time for it. Seriously, go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.</p></div><p>Your suggestion seems to be setting the amount as punishment, not as restitution for lost sales.  Now, I think the $1.5 million in lost sales is <b>highly</b> debatable, but I would think that whatever amount is awarded should be to recover the amount of lost sales, not a punitive amount as punishment that's scaled to what the person makes.</p><p>To flip this around, if someone committed a premeditated violent crime that they are sentenced to jail for 20 years, I wouldn't expect them to reduce the sentence for a 70 year old because "20 years might be all he's got left, it's a life sentence" vs. the 25 year old who committed the same crime.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>here should be some kind of proportion to the damages , seriously that amount ruins an ordinary person for the rest of their life .
Did the court deliberately set out to give him a life sentence of sorts ?
And if the amounts are to be set at company rates for individuals he should have his own choice just to do some time for it .
Seriously , go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.Your suggestion seems to be setting the amount as punishment , not as restitution for lost sales .
Now , I think the $ 1.5 million in lost sales is highly debatable , but I would think that whatever amount is awarded should be to recover the amount of lost sales , not a punitive amount as punishment that 's scaled to what the person makes.To flip this around , if someone committed a premeditated violent crime that they are sentenced to jail for 20 years , I would n't expect them to reduce the sentence for a 70 year old because " 20 years might be all he 's got left , it 's a life sentence " vs. the 25 year old who committed the same crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>here should be some kind of proportion to the damages, seriously that amount ruins an ordinary person for the rest of their life.
Did the court deliberately set out to give him a life sentence of sorts?
And if the amounts are to be set at company rates for individuals he should have his own choice just to do some time for it.
Seriously, go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.Your suggestion seems to be setting the amount as punishment, not as restitution for lost sales.
Now, I think the $1.5 million in lost sales is highly debatable, but I would think that whatever amount is awarded should be to recover the amount of lost sales, not a punitive amount as punishment that's scaled to what the person makes.To flip this around, if someone committed a premeditated violent crime that they are sentenced to jail for 20 years, I wouldn't expect them to reduce the sentence for a 70 year old because "20 years might be all he's got left, it's a life sentence" vs. the 25 year old who committed the same crime.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070516</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265720520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*Counts the posts at the moment*</p><p>Nobody said it was wrong? Who are you arguing with exactly?</p><p>That said, my personal point of view is that I'm perfectly ok with people like this getting sued, I'm not sure I'm ok with ruining their lives for all eternity as vengeance, and calling it "justice". But that's another issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* Counts the posts at the moment * Nobody said it was wrong ?
Who are you arguing with exactly ? That said , my personal point of view is that I 'm perfectly ok with people like this getting sued , I 'm not sure I 'm ok with ruining their lives for all eternity as vengeance , and calling it " justice " .
But that 's another issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*Counts the posts at the moment*Nobody said it was wrong?
Who are you arguing with exactly?That said, my personal point of view is that I'm perfectly ok with people like this getting sued, I'm not sure I'm ok with ruining their lives for all eternity as vengeance, and calling it "justice".
But that's another issue.</sentencetext>
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	<title>New Super Mario Bros Highest sold Wii game?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265724000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nintendo is going to do what any other software mongrel in the free world is going to do when their production is illegally propagated to the masses.  However, let's not overshadow the fact that the <i>New Super Mario Bros Wii</i> game did sell over 10 million copies as <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/0630247/New-Super-Mario-Bros-Wii-Tops-10-Million-Sales" title="slashdot.org">pointed out</a> [slashdot.org] a little over 2 weeks ago.</p><p>Just for fun, I'd like to see what Nintendo's exterior argument was from 'loosing sales' because, clearly, they capitalized on the sales aspect and in any retail store I've been in recently in my area, even a month or better past the holiday season, has the game completely sold out.</p><p>Furthermore, pirating a game like <i>New Super Mario Bros Wii</i>, to me, seems quite contradictory.  It's $50 in the store, but it's not like you don't get the gameplay you desire out of it.  My wife and I have had this game since late Decemeber 2009 and we've played it daily ever since.  With 8 regular levels and 8 unlockable coin levels to conquer, all the easter eggs to discover and the nostaliga of getting to play a killer 2-D game again on a modern-day gaming console, if you don't think that's worth your $50, I pitty you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nintendo is going to do what any other software mongrel in the free world is going to do when their production is illegally propagated to the masses .
However , let 's not overshadow the fact that the New Super Mario Bros Wii game did sell over 10 million copies as pointed out [ slashdot.org ] a little over 2 weeks ago.Just for fun , I 'd like to see what Nintendo 's exterior argument was from 'loosing sales ' because , clearly , they capitalized on the sales aspect and in any retail store I 've been in recently in my area , even a month or better past the holiday season , has the game completely sold out.Furthermore , pirating a game like New Super Mario Bros Wii , to me , seems quite contradictory .
It 's $ 50 in the store , but it 's not like you do n't get the gameplay you desire out of it .
My wife and I have had this game since late Decemeber 2009 and we 've played it daily ever since .
With 8 regular levels and 8 unlockable coin levels to conquer , all the easter eggs to discover and the nostaliga of getting to play a killer 2-D game again on a modern-day gaming console , if you do n't think that 's worth your $ 50 , I pitty you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nintendo is going to do what any other software mongrel in the free world is going to do when their production is illegally propagated to the masses.
However, let's not overshadow the fact that the New Super Mario Bros Wii game did sell over 10 million copies as pointed out [slashdot.org] a little over 2 weeks ago.Just for fun, I'd like to see what Nintendo's exterior argument was from 'loosing sales' because, clearly, they capitalized on the sales aspect and in any retail store I've been in recently in my area, even a month or better past the holiday season, has the game completely sold out.Furthermore, pirating a game like New Super Mario Bros Wii, to me, seems quite contradictory.
It's $50 in the store, but it's not like you don't get the gameplay you desire out of it.
My wife and I have had this game since late Decemeber 2009 and we've played it daily ever since.
With 8 regular levels and 8 unlockable coin levels to conquer, all the easter eggs to discover and the nostaliga of getting to play a killer 2-D game again on a modern-day gaming console, if you don't think that's worth your $50, I pitty you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071210</id>
	<title>Bittorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265726520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seed damnit, I'm stuck at 99\%...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seed damnit , I 'm stuck at 99 \ % .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seed damnit, I'm stuck at 99\%...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070526</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265720640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And yet they still don't give a damn about piracy, technologically speaking, or at least they care about it a lot less than they care to annoy homebrewers and importers.</p><p>Proof: the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew, but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long (and counting). More proof: it would be trivial for them to detect and block modchips at the system update level, but so far they haven't even tried. Even more proof: NIntendo seems to be happy deliberately bricking your Wii if you have imported it, but it certainly hasn't even crossed their mind to do that for people who pirate. Yes, System Update 4.2 deliberately bricked all Korean Wiis that had been switched to the USA or EUR region. And by this I mean an explicit <tt>if(korean\_detected()) { show\_error\_code\_on\_boot(003); }</tt>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And yet they still do n't give a damn about piracy , technologically speaking , or at least they care about it a lot less than they care to annoy homebrewers and importers.Proof : the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew , but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long ( and counting ) .
More proof : it would be trivial for them to detect and block modchips at the system update level , but so far they have n't even tried .
Even more proof : NIntendo seems to be happy deliberately bricking your Wii if you have imported it , but it certainly has n't even crossed their mind to do that for people who pirate .
Yes , System Update 4.2 deliberately bricked all Korean Wiis that had been switched to the USA or EUR region .
And by this I mean an explicit if ( korean \ _detected ( ) ) { show \ _error \ _code \ _on \ _boot ( 003 ) ; } .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And yet they still don't give a damn about piracy, technologically speaking, or at least they care about it a lot less than they care to annoy homebrewers and importers.Proof: the last three iterations of Wii System Updates closed exploits used to run homebrew, but an ancient exploit that is still being used for piracy has remained untouched for that long (and counting).
More proof: it would be trivial for them to detect and block modchips at the system update level, but so far they haven't even tried.
Even more proof: NIntendo seems to be happy deliberately bricking your Wii if you have imported it, but it certainly hasn't even crossed their mind to do that for people who pirate.
Yes, System Update 4.2 deliberately bricked all Korean Wiis that had been switched to the USA or EUR region.
And by this I mean an explicit if(korean\_detected()) { show\_error\_code\_on\_boot(003); }.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071084</id>
	<title>... Nintendo $1.5 million in damages</title>
	<author>dyeazel</author>
	<datestamp>1265725740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the conversion rate from US Dollars to Nintendo Dollars?

(I think it would be more proper to say "...pay $1.5 million to Nintendo in damages...")</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the conversion rate from US Dollars to Nintendo Dollars ?
( I think it would be more proper to say " ...pay $ 1.5 million to Nintendo in damages... " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the conversion rate from US Dollars to Nintendo Dollars?
(I think it would be more proper to say "...pay $1.5 million to Nintendo in damages...")</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070698</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>twoshortplanks</author>
	<datestamp>1265722380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Break this down on a personal level - if someone takes a mallet to my car, I'm going to sue them for the value of the damage to the car, i.e. what it costs to compensate me for the damage they caused.  If someone burns down my house, I should be able to sue them for the value of the house.  The loss they have caused is not mitigated by the ability they have to pay for it.
<p>
Now, if you're going down these lines you need to separate out the <em>punitive</em> damages from the <em>actual</em> damages.   The former should be taken in context of the ability for the person to pay (i.e. if you're suing a multinational, you expect punitive damages significant enough for them to sit up and take notice.)  The later should probably not be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Break this down on a personal level - if someone takes a mallet to my car , I 'm going to sue them for the value of the damage to the car , i.e .
what it costs to compensate me for the damage they caused .
If someone burns down my house , I should be able to sue them for the value of the house .
The loss they have caused is not mitigated by the ability they have to pay for it .
Now , if you 're going down these lines you need to separate out the punitive damages from the actual damages .
The former should be taken in context of the ability for the person to pay ( i.e .
if you 're suing a multinational , you expect punitive damages significant enough for them to sit up and take notice .
) The later should probably not be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Break this down on a personal level - if someone takes a mallet to my car, I'm going to sue them for the value of the damage to the car, i.e.
what it costs to compensate me for the damage they caused.
If someone burns down my house, I should be able to sue them for the value of the house.
The loss they have caused is not mitigated by the ability they have to pay for it.
Now, if you're going down these lines you need to separate out the punitive damages from the actual damages.
The former should be taken in context of the ability for the person to pay (i.e.
if you're suing a multinational, you expect punitive damages significant enough for them to sit up and take notice.
)  The later should probably not be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071042</id>
	<title>Hmmm</title>
	<author>paragon1</author>
	<datestamp>1265725500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope none of his friends have "Thank you for the free Mario game" set as their Facebook status.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope none of his friends have " Thank you for the free Mario game " set as their Facebook status .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope none of his friends have "Thank you for the free Mario game" set as their Facebook status.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070912</id>
	<title>Little thermite woulda been cheaper</title>
	<author>BubbaDave</author>
	<datestamp>1265724600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're going to engage in illegal activities, a little thermite on the drives seems like a cheap precaution...<br>Biggest hassle is the thermite-proof container.</p><p>Dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to engage in illegal activities , a little thermite on the drives seems like a cheap precaution...Biggest hassle is the thermite-proof container.Dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to engage in illegal activities, a little thermite on the drives seems like a cheap precaution...Biggest hassle is the thermite-proof container.Dave</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070688</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>valentingalea</author>
	<datestamp>1265722320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would think that if it was THAT easy to detect/block the modchips, Nintendo would have surely done it... At what ancient exploit are you referring to exactly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would think that if it was THAT easy to detect/block the modchips , Nintendo would have surely done it... At what ancient exploit are you referring to exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would think that if it was THAT easy to detect/block the modchips, Nintendo would have surely done it... At what ancient exploit are you referring to exactly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071278</id>
	<title>Re:New Super Mario Bros Highest sold Wii game?</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1265726820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember people who pirated Quake 2 and then played it for 2 hours a day for the next 3 years - I don't think value for money enters the equation.</p><p>There's also the "getting the game before the release" aspect that people seem to like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember people who pirated Quake 2 and then played it for 2 hours a day for the next 3 years - I do n't think value for money enters the equation.There 's also the " getting the game before the release " aspect that people seem to like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember people who pirated Quake 2 and then played it for 2 hours a day for the next 3 years - I don't think value for money enters the equation.There's also the "getting the game before the release" aspect that people seem to like.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070860</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31075124</id>
	<title>Cat didnt get my tongue :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265742960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What idiots!Whenever a corporation commits a crime nobody takes action and the judge is lenient BUT when a regular person does a ""crime""<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,the person is sued excessively. I bet the game doesnt even make that much in profit. They dont have any rights to go through his emails and social networking accounts. At this rate we would probably go to a global tyranny system run by billion dollar corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What idiots ! Whenever a corporation commits a crime nobody takes action and the judge is lenient BUT when a regular person does a " " crime " " ,the person is sued excessively .
I bet the game doesnt even make that much in profit .
They dont have any rights to go through his emails and social networking accounts .
At this rate we would probably go to a global tyranny system run by billion dollar corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What idiots!Whenever a corporation commits a crime nobody takes action and the judge is lenient BUT when a regular person does a ""crime"" ,the person is sued excessively.
I bet the game doesnt even make that much in profit.
They dont have any rights to go through his emails and social networking accounts.
At this rate we would probably go to a global tyranny system run by billion dollar corporations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31083278</id>
	<title>that is shame</title>
	<author>vtstarin</author>
	<datestamp>1265018100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do people do this in Australia. This encourage Australia to  impose law to monitor all internet users</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do people do this in Australia .
This encourage Australia to impose law to monitor all internet users</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do people do this in Australia.
This encourage Australia to  impose law to monitor all internet users</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31073534</id>
	<title>Re:New Super Mario Bros Highest sold Wii game?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265737020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The number of copies actually sold is irrelevant. The damages from releasing without having the right to release is the problem.</p><p>First of all, nintendo hires good lawyers, who would spell check their complaint, and would complain about losing sales, not "loosing" them (I don't care what part of englandindiaturkmenistan you come from, how the hell do people keep making this error that first graders who are still learning the alphabet wouldn't?). Furthermore, the claim that releasing a game without permission to the general public causes lost sales is about as valid as a claim gets. The fact that none of these sales generated money for nintendo is legally irrelevant; its about the ability to control intangible assets of a corporation. Nintendo's case, to put it in football terms, isn't just a blowout, its GT vs Cumberland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916\_Cumberland\_vs.\_Georgia\_Tech\_football\_game).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The number of copies actually sold is irrelevant .
The damages from releasing without having the right to release is the problem.First of all , nintendo hires good lawyers , who would spell check their complaint , and would complain about losing sales , not " loosing " them ( I do n't care what part of englandindiaturkmenistan you come from , how the hell do people keep making this error that first graders who are still learning the alphabet would n't ? ) .
Furthermore , the claim that releasing a game without permission to the general public causes lost sales is about as valid as a claim gets .
The fact that none of these sales generated money for nintendo is legally irrelevant ; its about the ability to control intangible assets of a corporation .
Nintendo 's case , to put it in football terms , is n't just a blowout , its GT vs Cumberland ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916 \ _Cumberland \ _vs. \ _Georgia \ _Tech \ _football \ _game ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The number of copies actually sold is irrelevant.
The damages from releasing without having the right to release is the problem.First of all, nintendo hires good lawyers, who would spell check their complaint, and would complain about losing sales, not "loosing" them (I don't care what part of englandindiaturkmenistan you come from, how the hell do people keep making this error that first graders who are still learning the alphabet wouldn't?).
Furthermore, the claim that releasing a game without permission to the general public causes lost sales is about as valid as a claim gets.
The fact that none of these sales generated money for nintendo is legally irrelevant; its about the ability to control intangible assets of a corporation.
Nintendo's case, to put it in football terms, isn't just a blowout, its GT vs Cumberland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916\_Cumberland\_vs.\_Georgia\_Tech\_football\_game).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071494</id>
	<title>forcing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265728080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>forcing Burt to disclose [...] also ordered to allow access, including passwords [...]</p></div><p>So I guess Australia doesn't have an equivalent to America's 5th amendment? That part is more disturbing to me than the guy getting fined a large sum for this particular crime.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>forcing Burt to disclose [ ... ] also ordered to allow access , including passwords [ ... ] So I guess Australia does n't have an equivalent to America 's 5th amendment ?
That part is more disturbing to me than the guy getting fined a large sum for this particular crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>forcing Burt to disclose [...] also ordered to allow access, including passwords [...]So I guess Australia doesn't have an equivalent to America's 5th amendment?
That part is more disturbing to me than the guy getting fined a large sum for this particular crime.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070524</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265720580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having RTFA I'd be more intrested in how he obtained this advanced copy of the game for distribution, was it as simple as importating it from another region where it had been released or was it a lapse in security that enabled him to get hold of this game?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having RTFA I 'd be more intrested in how he obtained this advanced copy of the game for distribution , was it as simple as importating it from another region where it had been released or was it a lapse in security that enabled him to get hold of this game ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having RTFA I'd be more intrested in how he obtained this advanced copy of the game for distribution, was it as simple as importating it from another region where it had been released or was it a lapse in security that enabled him to get hold of this game?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31073492</id>
	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1265736900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think those sales numbers need to be put into perspective again: Nintendo's expectations were likely for the lifetime of the game and it only reached the 10M number last month, there's still a lot of time for it to go to reach the 15M or surpass it. While most games do their sales in the first month this is New Super Mario Bros Wii we're talking about, the previous NSMB game remained in the top-10 for over a year so we can expect a lot of sales to come at a later date.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think those sales numbers need to be put into perspective again : Nintendo 's expectations were likely for the lifetime of the game and it only reached the 10M number last month , there 's still a lot of time for it to go to reach the 15M or surpass it .
While most games do their sales in the first month this is New Super Mario Bros Wii we 're talking about , the previous NSMB game remained in the top-10 for over a year so we can expect a lot of sales to come at a later date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think those sales numbers need to be put into perspective again: Nintendo's expectations were likely for the lifetime of the game and it only reached the 10M number last month, there's still a lot of time for it to go to reach the 15M or surpass it.
While most games do their sales in the first month this is New Super Mario Bros Wii we're talking about, the previous NSMB game remained in the top-10 for over a year so we can expect a lot of sales to come at a later date.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31070756</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>RockinRobStar</author>
	<datestamp>1265723040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>He was a manager at a computer games store. I would imagine they sent copies early to his store so they had stock to sell on release day. (From what I understand it was a world first release date).</htmltext>
<tokenext>He was a manager at a computer games store .
I would imagine they sent copies early to his store so they had stock to sell on release day .
( From what I understand it was a world first release date ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was a manager at a computer games store.
I would imagine they sent copies early to his store so they had stock to sell on release day.
(From what I understand it was a world first release date).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0612246.31071372</id>
	<title>Re:Pro-piracy</title>
	<author>xtracto</author>
	<datestamp>1265727420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey marcan, first let me tip my hat for your work.</p><p>Second, I use some of those "oh noes piratz" enhancing mechanisms to copy my legally purchased games to a USB hard disk and play them. Note that I bought my Wii console while living in Britain, I have bought games in Mexico (where I am from) and USA (cheaper to ask a relative to get them from there) AND Germany (where I am currently living and playing games).</p><p>When I moved to Germany, I refused to take all my CDs/DVDs with me [Laugagge handlers at Lufthansa are a bunch of monkeys.. you should see the state of my bags when they arrived to Germany], therefore I put all the content (serveral music CDs, some DVD movies and several Wii games) into magnetic media and took them with me.</p><p>Having said that, I really applaud Nintendo for doing this specific move, and I completely believe that this is the *right* move to combat piracy.</p><p>It is not illegal to modify hardware you buy, it is not illegal to play a copy of your purchased media, however, IT IS illegal to <b>distribute</b> such media without copyright permit; and that is what Nintendo prosecuted with this guy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey marcan , first let me tip my hat for your work.Second , I use some of those " oh noes piratz " enhancing mechanisms to copy my legally purchased games to a USB hard disk and play them .
Note that I bought my Wii console while living in Britain , I have bought games in Mexico ( where I am from ) and USA ( cheaper to ask a relative to get them from there ) AND Germany ( where I am currently living and playing games ) .When I moved to Germany , I refused to take all my CDs/DVDs with me [ Laugagge handlers at Lufthansa are a bunch of monkeys.. you should see the state of my bags when they arrived to Germany ] , therefore I put all the content ( serveral music CDs , some DVD movies and several Wii games ) into magnetic media and took them with me.Having said that , I really applaud Nintendo for doing this specific move , and I completely believe that this is the * right * move to combat piracy.It is not illegal to modify hardware you buy , it is not illegal to play a copy of your purchased media , however , IT IS illegal to distribute such media without copyright permit ; and that is what Nintendo prosecuted with this guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey marcan, first let me tip my hat for your work.Second, I use some of those "oh noes piratz" enhancing mechanisms to copy my legally purchased games to a USB hard disk and play them.
Note that I bought my Wii console while living in Britain, I have bought games in Mexico (where I am from) and USA (cheaper to ask a relative to get them from there) AND Germany (where I am currently living and playing games).When I moved to Germany, I refused to take all my CDs/DVDs with me [Laugagge handlers at Lufthansa are a bunch of monkeys.. you should see the state of my bags when they arrived to Germany], therefore I put all the content (serveral music CDs, some DVD movies and several Wii games) into magnetic media and took them with me.Having said that, I really applaud Nintendo for doing this specific move, and I completely believe that this is the *right* move to combat piracy.It is not illegal to modify hardware you buy, it is not illegal to play a copy of your purchased media, however, IT IS illegal to distribute such media without copyright permit; and that is what Nintendo prosecuted with this guy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Proportionality.</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1265733540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There should be some kind of proportion to the damages, (...) Seriously, go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.</p></div><p>Games can generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, Modern Warfare 2 has passed the billion. It is very possible that 1.5 million dollars is in <b>proportion to the damages</b>. What good does prison time do to recover those? If a homeless guy vandalizes my car either I or my insurance company will have to eat the cost, I don't get anything back from him doing jail time. But if that guy ever wins the lottery I want them to take the money and pay me back no matter how long time has passed. That it's a company doesn't really matter, if you ruined my small time business it'd be exactly the same. That Nintendo is a huge publicly owned company just means that the damages are smeared thin across all the stock holders, but they are still equally valid and should be collected on if at all possible.</p></div>
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<tokenext>There should be some kind of proportion to the damages , ( ... ) Seriously , go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.Games can generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue , Modern Warfare 2 has passed the billion .
It is very possible that 1.5 million dollars is in proportion to the damages .
What good does prison time do to recover those ?
If a homeless guy vandalizes my car either I or my insurance company will have to eat the cost , I do n't get anything back from him doing jail time .
But if that guy ever wins the lottery I want them to take the money and pay me back no matter how long time has passed .
That it 's a company does n't really matter , if you ruined my small time business it 'd be exactly the same .
That Nintendo is a huge publicly owned company just means that the damages are smeared thin across all the stock holders , but they are still equally valid and should be collected on if at all possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There should be some kind of proportion to the damages, (...) Seriously, go on a walk for 3 years and move on in your life instead of being sentenced to financial death for the rest of your natural time.Games can generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, Modern Warfare 2 has passed the billion.
It is very possible that 1.5 million dollars is in proportion to the damages.
What good does prison time do to recover those?
If a homeless guy vandalizes my car either I or my insurance company will have to eat the cost, I don't get anything back from him doing jail time.
But if that guy ever wins the lottery I want them to take the money and pay me back no matter how long time has passed.
That it's a company doesn't really matter, if you ruined my small time business it'd be exactly the same.
That Nintendo is a huge publicly owned company just means that the damages are smeared thin across all the stock holders, but they are still equally valid and should be collected on if at all possible.
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	<title>obviously not on commission..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265725980000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This guy that works at a video game store was obviously not a commission paid employee if he is promoting pirated copies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy that works at a video game store was obviously not a commission paid employee if he is promoting pirated copies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy that works at a video game store was obviously not a commission paid employee if he is promoting pirated copies.</sentencetext>
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