<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_09_0024241</id>
	<title>Oracle Drops Sun's Commitment To Accessibility</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265726580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"What I feared has come true: after buying Sun, Oracle had a look at its accessibility group and made big cuts in it by <a href="http://blog.grain-of-salt.com/index.php?itemid=394">firing the most important contributors to the Linux accessibility tools</a>. This is a very sad day for disabled people, as it means we do not really have full-time developers any more."</i> The <a href="http://ostatic.com/blog/oracle-cuts-affect-gnome-accessibility-work">coverage in OSTATIC</a> has a few more details, including the caution: "This just shows that all too few companies are sponsoring a11y work. If one company laying off a couple of developers spells trouble for the project, then there were problems before that happened" (thanks to reader dave c-b for pointing this out).</htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " What I feared has come true : after buying Sun , Oracle had a look at its accessibility group and made big cuts in it by firing the most important contributors to the Linux accessibility tools .
This is a very sad day for disabled people , as it means we do not really have full-time developers any more .
" The coverage in OSTATIC has a few more details , including the caution : " This just shows that all too few companies are sponsoring a11y work .
If one company laying off a couple of developers spells trouble for the project , then there were problems before that happened " ( thanks to reader dave c-b for pointing this out ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "What I feared has come true: after buying Sun, Oracle had a look at its accessibility group and made big cuts in it by firing the most important contributors to the Linux accessibility tools.
This is a very sad day for disabled people, as it means we do not really have full-time developers any more.
" The coverage in OSTATIC has a few more details, including the caution: "This just shows that all too few companies are sponsoring a11y work.
If one company laying off a couple of developers spells trouble for the project, then there were problems before that happened" (thanks to reader dave c-b for pointing this out).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069632</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265706540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oracle and Sun are somehow obligated to employ people charitably? I'd rather they stick to bottom-line stuff that contributes to their employees continuing to be employed in a profitable company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle and Sun are somehow obligated to employ people charitably ?
I 'd rather they stick to bottom-line stuff that contributes to their employees continuing to be employed in a profitable company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle and Sun are somehow obligated to employ people charitably?
I'd rather they stick to bottom-line stuff that contributes to their employees continuing to be employed in a profitable company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31070574</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>wrook</author>
	<datestamp>1265721000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OO is a very important project which has done a lot to show people that open source software is viable for desktop environments.  But, and I say this as someone who uses oowriter every single day, it should be replaced with something better.  There isn't a single program I use that causes me as much grief as oowriter.  I'm working as a teacher in Japan right now and making handouts every day for my students -- actually, at this point I think it might be better to say I'm writing a textbook.  I use a huge amount of clip art and I'm switching between Japanese and English a lot, so possibly my case isn't typical.  But my documents get corrupted weekly.  Sometimes the pictures delete themselves.  Sometimes the fonts decide to change themselves randomly.  Sometimes the document gets so bad that the cursor randomly jumps around the screen.  When I am making my exams (which are very heavy with pictures) the scrolling the document is so slow that it takes 10 seconds to get to the end of the page.</p><p>I have slowly been writing latex macros so that I can finally ditch OO (it's quite difficult given the number of unique formatting I have to do, from word searches to crossword puzzles to bingo boards -- all with clip art liberally sprinkled on the page).  When I'm done I won't be the least bit sorry to see the back of OO.  But not everyone can sit down and write custom latex macros to format their stuff.   I'm kind of hoping that a potential lack of OO funding will remind people of other solutions like KOffice or Abiword (which aren't quite there yet for my applications, but noticeably less crufty).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OO is a very important project which has done a lot to show people that open source software is viable for desktop environments .
But , and I say this as someone who uses oowriter every single day , it should be replaced with something better .
There is n't a single program I use that causes me as much grief as oowriter .
I 'm working as a teacher in Japan right now and making handouts every day for my students -- actually , at this point I think it might be better to say I 'm writing a textbook .
I use a huge amount of clip art and I 'm switching between Japanese and English a lot , so possibly my case is n't typical .
But my documents get corrupted weekly .
Sometimes the pictures delete themselves .
Sometimes the fonts decide to change themselves randomly .
Sometimes the document gets so bad that the cursor randomly jumps around the screen .
When I am making my exams ( which are very heavy with pictures ) the scrolling the document is so slow that it takes 10 seconds to get to the end of the page.I have slowly been writing latex macros so that I can finally ditch OO ( it 's quite difficult given the number of unique formatting I have to do , from word searches to crossword puzzles to bingo boards -- all with clip art liberally sprinkled on the page ) .
When I 'm done I wo n't be the least bit sorry to see the back of OO .
But not everyone can sit down and write custom latex macros to format their stuff .
I 'm kind of hoping that a potential lack of OO funding will remind people of other solutions like KOffice or Abiword ( which are n't quite there yet for my applications , but noticeably less crufty ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OO is a very important project which has done a lot to show people that open source software is viable for desktop environments.
But, and I say this as someone who uses oowriter every single day, it should be replaced with something better.
There isn't a single program I use that causes me as much grief as oowriter.
I'm working as a teacher in Japan right now and making handouts every day for my students -- actually, at this point I think it might be better to say I'm writing a textbook.
I use a huge amount of clip art and I'm switching between Japanese and English a lot, so possibly my case isn't typical.
But my documents get corrupted weekly.
Sometimes the pictures delete themselves.
Sometimes the fonts decide to change themselves randomly.
Sometimes the document gets so bad that the cursor randomly jumps around the screen.
When I am making my exams (which are very heavy with pictures) the scrolling the document is so slow that it takes 10 seconds to get to the end of the page.I have slowly been writing latex macros so that I can finally ditch OO (it's quite difficult given the number of unique formatting I have to do, from word searches to crossword puzzles to bingo boards -- all with clip art liberally sprinkled on the page).
When I'm done I won't be the least bit sorry to see the back of OO.
But not everyone can sit down and write custom latex macros to format their stuff.
I'm kind of hoping that a potential lack of OO funding will remind people of other solutions like KOffice or Abiword (which aren't quite there yet for my applications, but noticeably less crufty).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069076</id>
	<title>stupid</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1265653800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Experienced accessibility and GUI guys are hard to find and important to a company the size of Oracle.  The people working on Gnome accessibility are quite good.</p><p>Oracle should have kept them.  They could have put them to work on other projects and let them continue Gnome work on the side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Experienced accessibility and GUI guys are hard to find and important to a company the size of Oracle .
The people working on Gnome accessibility are quite good.Oracle should have kept them .
They could have put them to work on other projects and let them continue Gnome work on the side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Experienced accessibility and GUI guys are hard to find and important to a company the size of Oracle.
The people working on Gnome accessibility are quite good.Oracle should have kept them.
They could have put them to work on other projects and let them continue Gnome work on the side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31085794</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265040300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Did I miss the press release -- does Sun now own Linux or Gnome in order to be solely responsible for its accessibility?</p></div><p>Being solely responsible has nothing to do with the matter at hand, and I have no idea whether you've missed any press release or not. Totally irrelevant.</p><p>The issue is very simple: Oracle bought Sun, including any and all assets, personnel, commitments, debts, and so on. If Oracle is now backing down from something Sun promised to do, then Oracle is now breaking that promise.</p><p>It's really fucking simple.</p><p>Now, whether Sun promised it or not, I have no idea, but it should be easy enough to find out. About as easy as it is to see your empty hand-waving for what it is.</p><p>Meh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did I miss the press release -- does Sun now own Linux or Gnome in order to be solely responsible for its accessibility ? Being solely responsible has nothing to do with the matter at hand , and I have no idea whether you 've missed any press release or not .
Totally irrelevant.The issue is very simple : Oracle bought Sun , including any and all assets , personnel , commitments , debts , and so on .
If Oracle is now backing down from something Sun promised to do , then Oracle is now breaking that promise.It 's really fucking simple.Now , whether Sun promised it or not , I have no idea , but it should be easy enough to find out .
About as easy as it is to see your empty hand-waving for what it is.Meh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did I miss the press release -- does Sun now own Linux or Gnome in order to be solely responsible for its accessibility?Being solely responsible has nothing to do with the matter at hand, and I have no idea whether you've missed any press release or not.
Totally irrelevant.The issue is very simple: Oracle bought Sun, including any and all assets, personnel, commitments, debts, and so on.
If Oracle is now backing down from something Sun promised to do, then Oracle is now breaking that promise.It's really fucking simple.Now, whether Sun promised it or not, I have no idea, but it should be easy enough to find out.
About as easy as it is to see your empty hand-waving for what it is.Meh.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068854</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265651160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SQL (Structured Query Language) (pronounced<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/s.kjul/ ES-kyoo-EL )<br>
<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>SQL ( Structured Query Language ) ( pronounced /s.kjul/ ES-kyoo-EL ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SQL (Structured Query Language) (pronounced /s.kjul/ ES-kyoo-EL )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31074596</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265741040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one asked about the JavaOne conference either.  Will they toss it? Or will it be infused with a bunch of courses explaining why you should use Oracle products?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one asked about the JavaOne conference either .
Will they toss it ?
Or will it be infused with a bunch of courses explaining why you should use Oracle products ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one asked about the JavaOne conference either.
Will they toss it?
Or will it be infused with a bunch of courses explaining why you should use Oracle products?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068530</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>williamhb</author>
	<datestamp>1265647560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Surely this does not come as a surprise to anyone?</p><p>Oracle, who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products (from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.</p><p>Anything that Sun pursued on moral or ethical grounds, and anything that shows "future promise" will be axed as soon as they spot it.</p></div><p>Or, if we take off our doom-coloured spectacles, we might realise that Oracle (largely a server applications company) and Sun (largely a server hardware company)  probably don't consider a niche open source <i>desktop</i> environment to be part of their core business.  In other news, I hear the Dunlop tyre company hasn't spent much on improving the accessibility of car stereos either.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely this does not come as a surprise to anyone ? Oracle , who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products ( from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now ) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.Anything that Sun pursued on moral or ethical grounds , and anything that shows " future promise " will be axed as soon as they spot it.Or , if we take off our doom-coloured spectacles , we might realise that Oracle ( largely a server applications company ) and Sun ( largely a server hardware company ) probably do n't consider a niche open source desktop environment to be part of their core business .
In other news , I hear the Dunlop tyre company has n't spent much on improving the accessibility of car stereos either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely this does not come as a surprise to anyone?Oracle, who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products (from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.Anything that Sun pursued on moral or ethical grounds, and anything that shows "future promise" will be axed as soon as they spot it.Or, if we take off our doom-coloured spectacles, we might realise that Oracle (largely a server applications company) and Sun (largely a server hardware company)  probably don't consider a niche open source desktop environment to be part of their core business.
In other news, I hear the Dunlop tyre company hasn't spent much on improving the accessibility of car stereos either.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31082384</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265740800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the purchase rules, they have to continue to support and actively develop mysql for the next five years. From what I know, there wasn't anything more said about it after the five years is up. So, you have five years before mysql is axed for good. Less than that now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the purchase rules , they have to continue to support and actively develop mysql for the next five years .
From what I know , there was n't anything more said about it after the five years is up .
So , you have five years before mysql is axed for good .
Less than that now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the purchase rules, they have to continue to support and actively develop mysql for the next five years.
From what I know, there wasn't anything more said about it after the five years is up.
So, you have five years before mysql is axed for good.
Less than that now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071324</id>
	<title>agents of the Devil</title>
	<author>ncmathsadist</author>
	<datestamp>1265727180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What do you expect out of Larry Ellison????</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you expect out of Larry Ellison ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you expect out of Larry Ellison???
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068466</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>williamhb</author>
	<datestamp>1265646840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It should say: Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility, that they inherited when they acquired sun.</p><p>In other words, Oracle is going back on their word, and is perhaps about to show how dishonest, despicable, and evil they (apparently) are, or not, depending on whether they keep their word (or not).</p></div><p>Did I miss the press release -- does Sun now own Linux or Gnome in order to be solely responsible for its accessibility?  Surely that'd be the bigger news story if it were true.  I was under the impression, and I suspect so is everyone else on Slashdot, that Linux and Gnome are independent open source projects owned by the community; if Sun choses not to contribute code to a particular portion of the source tree any more, so be it, and we should thank them for their extensive work thus far, rather than pillory them for no longer being willing to be the only sucker actually doing anything about this <i>community responsibility</i> to improve Gnome's accessibility.</p><p>I mean... those villains at Sun/Oracle haven't repainted my house for me either, or swept my yard -- the scoundrels!</p></div>
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<tokenext>It should say : Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility , that they inherited when they acquired sun.In other words , Oracle is going back on their word , and is perhaps about to show how dishonest , despicable , and evil they ( apparently ) are , or not , depending on whether they keep their word ( or not ) .Did I miss the press release -- does Sun now own Linux or Gnome in order to be solely responsible for its accessibility ?
Surely that 'd be the bigger news story if it were true .
I was under the impression , and I suspect so is everyone else on Slashdot , that Linux and Gnome are independent open source projects owned by the community ; if Sun choses not to contribute code to a particular portion of the source tree any more , so be it , and we should thank them for their extensive work thus far , rather than pillory them for no longer being willing to be the only sucker actually doing anything about this community responsibility to improve Gnome 's accessibility.I mean... those villains at Sun/Oracle have n't repainted my house for me either , or swept my yard -- the scoundrels !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should say: Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility, that they inherited when they acquired sun.In other words, Oracle is going back on their word, and is perhaps about to show how dishonest, despicable, and evil they (apparently) are, or not, depending on whether they keep their word (or not).Did I miss the press release -- does Sun now own Linux or Gnome in order to be solely responsible for its accessibility?
Surely that'd be the bigger news story if it were true.
I was under the impression, and I suspect so is everyone else on Slashdot, that Linux and Gnome are independent open source projects owned by the community; if Sun choses not to contribute code to a particular portion of the source tree any more, so be it, and we should thank them for their extensive work thus far, rather than pillory them for no longer being willing to be the only sucker actually doing anything about this community responsibility to improve Gnome's accessibility.I mean... those villains at Sun/Oracle haven't repainted my house for me either, or swept my yard -- the scoundrels!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068544</id>
	<title>Re:*Physically disabled*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265647680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In general, you're right.  You want a feature in OSS, and no one is doing it?  Do it yourself.</p></div><p>And if you can't do it yourself and can't afford to pay someone to do it for you then bad luck, that's the free software way! Yay freedom!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In general , you 're right .
You want a feature in OSS , and no one is doing it ?
Do it yourself.And if you ca n't do it yourself and ca n't afford to pay someone to do it for you then bad luck , that 's the free software way !
Yay freedom !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In general, you're right.
You want a feature in OSS, and no one is doing it?
Do it yourself.And if you can't do it yourself and can't afford to pay someone to do it for you then bad luck, that's the free software way!
Yay freedom!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068994</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1265652720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It should say: Oracle <b>breaks</b> their commitment to accessibility, that they inherited when they acquired sun.
</p></div><p>The commitment was made by Sun, Oracle is dropping the commitment made by Sun - or 'Sun's Commitment'.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It should say : Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility , that they inherited when they acquired sun .
The commitment was made by Sun , Oracle is dropping the commitment made by Sun - or 'Sun 's Commitment' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should say: Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility, that they inherited when they acquired sun.
The commitment was made by Sun, Oracle is dropping the commitment made by Sun - or 'Sun's Commitment'.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068258</id>
	<title>*Physically disabled*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're not mentally disabled (I hope). The code is available for you to modify and extend as you please. What's with all the bellyaching?</p><p>This is the biggest problem with the OSS community. There are a whole lot of people who want something for nothing, and the way the system works does nothing to encourage people to participate in the hard part.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not mentally disabled ( I hope ) .
The code is available for you to modify and extend as you please .
What 's with all the bellyaching ? This is the biggest problem with the OSS community .
There are a whole lot of people who want something for nothing , and the way the system works does nothing to encourage people to participate in the hard part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not mentally disabled (I hope).
The code is available for you to modify and extend as you please.
What's with all the bellyaching?This is the biggest problem with the OSS community.
There are a whole lot of people who want something for nothing, and the way the system works does nothing to encourage people to participate in the hard part.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31072840</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265734560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am confused...  where in the acquisition did Oracle state that they would take on any and all obligations, implied or explicit, that Sun may have made in the past and present?  As far as I can see, acquisition of another company does not imply any commitment like  that.  While it is regrettable that this happened, I don't see what all the panic is about.  Surely, Oracle may yet continue their contributions to accessibility on various levels (apps, Linux,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) even without two former Sun employees?  I am certain that Oracle currently employs enough quality developers, both on the Linux side and elsewhere, to contribute.  I hope they will.</p><p>I think that in acquisitions consolidation of work force always tends to lead to some terminations,  I would have liked to see Willie Walker &amp; Co to remain with now-Oracle, but I expect that they won't be unemployed for very long  -  and surely there are other companies that would be willing to offer them a job and have them continue their work on accessibility, even if only as part of their job function.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am confused... where in the acquisition did Oracle state that they would take on any and all obligations , implied or explicit , that Sun may have made in the past and present ?
As far as I can see , acquisition of another company does not imply any commitment like that .
While it is regrettable that this happened , I do n't see what all the panic is about .
Surely , Oracle may yet continue their contributions to accessibility on various levels ( apps , Linux , ... ) even without two former Sun employees ?
I am certain that Oracle currently employs enough quality developers , both on the Linux side and elsewhere , to contribute .
I hope they will.I think that in acquisitions consolidation of work force always tends to lead to some terminations , I would have liked to see Willie Walker &amp; Co to remain with now-Oracle , but I expect that they wo n't be unemployed for very long - and surely there are other companies that would be willing to offer them a job and have them continue their work on accessibility , even if only as part of their job function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am confused...  where in the acquisition did Oracle state that they would take on any and all obligations, implied or explicit, that Sun may have made in the past and present?
As far as I can see, acquisition of another company does not imply any commitment like  that.
While it is regrettable that this happened, I don't see what all the panic is about.
Surely, Oracle may yet continue their contributions to accessibility on various levels (apps, Linux, ...) even without two former Sun employees?
I am certain that Oracle currently employs enough quality developers, both on the Linux side and elsewhere, to contribute.
I hope they will.I think that in acquisitions consolidation of work force always tends to lead to some terminations,  I would have liked to see Willie Walker &amp; Co to remain with now-Oracle, but I expect that they won't be unemployed for very long  -  and surely there are other companies that would be willing to offer them a job and have them continue their work on accessibility, even if only as part of their job function.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071772</id>
	<title>Re:a11y work?</title>
	<author>atfrase</author>
	<datestamp>1265729520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had the same reaction; I had to take a guess and type out "accessibility" in the address bar just to confirm the number of letters.</p><p>But really, can we please stop abbreviating every somewhat long word with numbers?  "txtspk" (or whatever clueless news anchors are calling the SMS dialect these days) is bad enough, but if you're writing for the general public (even the slashdotting public), is it really so hard to use your words?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the same reaction ; I had to take a guess and type out " accessibility " in the address bar just to confirm the number of letters.But really , can we please stop abbreviating every somewhat long word with numbers ?
" txtspk " ( or whatever clueless news anchors are calling the SMS dialect these days ) is bad enough , but if you 're writing for the general public ( even the slashdotting public ) , is it really so hard to use your words ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the same reaction; I had to take a guess and type out "accessibility" in the address bar just to confirm the number of letters.But really, can we please stop abbreviating every somewhat long word with numbers?
"txtspk" (or whatever clueless news anchors are calling the SMS dialect these days) is bad enough, but if you're writing for the general public (even the slashdotting public), is it really so hard to use your words?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068632</id>
	<title>Re:*Physically disabled*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265648760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it?"</i></p><p>Well in the Open Source world, that's exactly what EVERYONE who isn't capable or willing to fix their problems themselves is supposed to do.</p><p>Don't like it? Fix it, hire someone to fix it, or shut the hell up. This is almost always (still!) promoted as a positive feature, but in reality is a significant disadvantage.</p><p>Sorry, but the disabled community gets no special treatment on this issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it ?
" Well in the Open Source world , that 's exactly what EVERYONE who is n't capable or willing to fix their problems themselves is supposed to do.Do n't like it ?
Fix it , hire someone to fix it , or shut the hell up .
This is almost always ( still !
) promoted as a positive feature , but in reality is a significant disadvantage.Sorry , but the disabled community gets no special treatment on this issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it?
"Well in the Open Source world, that's exactly what EVERYONE who isn't capable or willing to fix their problems themselves is supposed to do.Don't like it?
Fix it, hire someone to fix it, or shut the hell up.
This is almost always (still!
) promoted as a positive feature, but in reality is a significant disadvantage.Sorry, but the disabled community gets no special treatment on this issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069344</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265658360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should it come as a surprise to anyone?  Has everyone forgotten the CEO of Oracle Larry Ellison is known to be an affiliate or backer of Scientology?   http://tinyurl.com/y9z2ext</p><p>I'm sure a ton of you hate RMS, but at-least he has some balls when it comes to morals on using software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should it come as a surprise to anyone ?
Has everyone forgotten the CEO of Oracle Larry Ellison is known to be an affiliate or backer of Scientology ?
http : //tinyurl.com/y9z2extI 'm sure a ton of you hate RMS , but at-least he has some balls when it comes to morals on using software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should it come as a surprise to anyone?
Has everyone forgotten the CEO of Oracle Larry Ellison is known to be an affiliate or backer of Scientology?
http://tinyurl.com/y9z2extI'm sure a ton of you hate RMS, but at-least he has some balls when it comes to morals on using software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068804</id>
	<title>a11y work?</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1265650560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will someone please inform a person too lazy to do more than a couple quick google searches, what, precisely "a11y work" is?  <br> <br>
I can infer by context, but a concrete definition is always best for the geek brain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will someone please inform a person too lazy to do more than a couple quick google searches , what , precisely " a11y work " is ?
I can infer by context , but a concrete definition is always best for the geek brain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will someone please inform a person too lazy to do more than a couple quick google searches, what, precisely "a11y work" is?
I can infer by context, but a concrete definition is always best for the geek brain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31072528</id>
	<title>Re:There is still hope</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1265733360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are C++ bindings for GTK. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtkmm" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtkmm</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>Also the GTK library is used in a large number of popular programs.<br>I have to say that I just don't find KDE desktop as useful and Gnome.<br>KDE IMHO is just way to fiddly while the Gnome desktop really does just seem to work.<br>To me people are really forgetting exactly what a desktop is for. It is to launch applications and to manage files.<br>When it get to that level KDE just tries to do to much and is to complex.<br>Oh and I am not a low end user I just understand that is a lot harder to make a good simple UI than it is to make complex UI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are C + + bindings for GTK .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtkmm [ wikipedia.org ] Also the GTK library is used in a large number of popular programs.I have to say that I just do n't find KDE desktop as useful and Gnome.KDE IMHO is just way to fiddly while the Gnome desktop really does just seem to work.To me people are really forgetting exactly what a desktop is for .
It is to launch applications and to manage files.When it get to that level KDE just tries to do to much and is to complex.Oh and I am not a low end user I just understand that is a lot harder to make a good simple UI than it is to make complex UI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are C++ bindings for GTK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gtkmm [wikipedia.org]Also the GTK library is used in a large number of popular programs.I have to say that I just don't find KDE desktop as useful and Gnome.KDE IMHO is just way to fiddly while the Gnome desktop really does just seem to work.To me people are really forgetting exactly what a desktop is for.
It is to launch applications and to manage files.When it get to that level KDE just tries to do to much and is to complex.Oh and I am not a low end user I just understand that is a lot harder to make a good simple UI than it is to make complex UI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068552</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1265647860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oracle, who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products (from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.</p></div><p>Sounds like a necessity if you plan on turning around a company that has been severely hemmorhaging cash.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle , who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products ( from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now ) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.Sounds like a necessity if you plan on turning around a company that has been severely hemmorhaging cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle, who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products (from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.Sounds like a necessity if you plan on turning around a company that has been severely hemmorhaging cash.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31072818</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265734500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>hardly anyone has even bothered asking what's going to happen to OpenOffice.org.</p></div><p>Perhaps because IBM has also been shipping OpenOffice, so it's fairly reasonable to expect development to continue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>hardly anyone has even bothered asking what 's going to happen to OpenOffice.org.Perhaps because IBM has also been shipping OpenOffice , so it 's fairly reasonable to expect development to continue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hardly anyone has even bothered asking what's going to happen to OpenOffice.org.Perhaps because IBM has also been shipping OpenOffice, so it's fairly reasonable to expect development to continue.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068606</id>
	<title>Linux often not sold</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265648520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as Oracle is not selling Linux, Oracle has no legal obligation under 508 to make Linux accessible.</p><p>A lot of Linux gets deployed in government settings, not because somebody sells it, but because a local agency, school or office picks it up and realizing it is useful and free.  This was possible as long as Sun was doing the heavy lifting of developing access tools that are required in government settings, under section 508 and ADA.</p><p>If accessibility development for Linux goes away, U.S. government offices and schools won't be able to use Linux.  Oracle isn't mandated to do accessibility development in this situation, because they aren't selling anything. Somebody's going to have to pick this up if they want Linux to be viable in U.S. government and public schools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as Oracle is not selling Linux , Oracle has no legal obligation under 508 to make Linux accessible.A lot of Linux gets deployed in government settings , not because somebody sells it , but because a local agency , school or office picks it up and realizing it is useful and free .
This was possible as long as Sun was doing the heavy lifting of developing access tools that are required in government settings , under section 508 and ADA.If accessibility development for Linux goes away , U.S. government offices and schools wo n't be able to use Linux .
Oracle is n't mandated to do accessibility development in this situation , because they are n't selling anything .
Somebody 's going to have to pick this up if they want Linux to be viable in U.S. government and public schools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as Oracle is not selling Linux, Oracle has no legal obligation under 508 to make Linux accessible.A lot of Linux gets deployed in government settings, not because somebody sells it, but because a local agency, school or office picks it up and realizing it is useful and free.
This was possible as long as Sun was doing the heavy lifting of developing access tools that are required in government settings, under section 508 and ADA.If accessibility development for Linux goes away, U.S. government offices and schools won't be able to use Linux.
Oracle isn't mandated to do accessibility development in this situation, because they aren't selling anything.
Somebody's going to have to pick this up if they want Linux to be viable in U.S. government and public schools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069814</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1265710140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to be a growing trend- accessibility doesn't seem to matter anymore.</p><p>Just 5 to 10 years ago, it was a big deal, people made sure to factor it in to web design and so forth, but now we're at a stage where HTML5 is on the horizon, and it's added a load of new features without any care for accessibility- canvas and the video tag for example, in the case of the latter there really should've been the option to supply subtitles as an element parameter meaning even if people didn't want to supply subtitles themselves, 3rd parties could then for example, but instead the onus has been put on the content creator to place them in the video, unfortunately this method is also not parsable.</p><p>That, and this news are just two of many examples of a move away from a regime where accessibility is taken into account.</p><p>Maybe they're right, maybe we should stop caring about accessibility because in a way it requires a disproportionate amount of development time in relation to the amount of people actually served by it, but I always figured accessibility is just the right thing to do so that these people aren't left out.</p><p>Perhaps it is just a response to the tightening of belts over the last couple of years? Companies feel they can no longer afford to spend time on accessibility and it's just the core product that matters now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to be a growing trend- accessibility does n't seem to matter anymore.Just 5 to 10 years ago , it was a big deal , people made sure to factor it in to web design and so forth , but now we 're at a stage where HTML5 is on the horizon , and it 's added a load of new features without any care for accessibility- canvas and the video tag for example , in the case of the latter there really should 've been the option to supply subtitles as an element parameter meaning even if people did n't want to supply subtitles themselves , 3rd parties could then for example , but instead the onus has been put on the content creator to place them in the video , unfortunately this method is also not parsable.That , and this news are just two of many examples of a move away from a regime where accessibility is taken into account.Maybe they 're right , maybe we should stop caring about accessibility because in a way it requires a disproportionate amount of development time in relation to the amount of people actually served by it , but I always figured accessibility is just the right thing to do so that these people are n't left out.Perhaps it is just a response to the tightening of belts over the last couple of years ?
Companies feel they can no longer afford to spend time on accessibility and it 's just the core product that matters now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to be a growing trend- accessibility doesn't seem to matter anymore.Just 5 to 10 years ago, it was a big deal, people made sure to factor it in to web design and so forth, but now we're at a stage where HTML5 is on the horizon, and it's added a load of new features without any care for accessibility- canvas and the video tag for example, in the case of the latter there really should've been the option to supply subtitles as an element parameter meaning even if people didn't want to supply subtitles themselves, 3rd parties could then for example, but instead the onus has been put on the content creator to place them in the video, unfortunately this method is also not parsable.That, and this news are just two of many examples of a move away from a regime where accessibility is taken into account.Maybe they're right, maybe we should stop caring about accessibility because in a way it requires a disproportionate amount of development time in relation to the amount of people actually served by it, but I always figured accessibility is just the right thing to do so that these people aren't left out.Perhaps it is just a response to the tightening of belts over the last couple of years?
Companies feel they can no longer afford to spend time on accessibility and it's just the core product that matters now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068410</id>
	<title>Re:There is still hope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265646120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, I think Oracle is just wise enough to see GNOME for what it is today: a failure.</p><p>It really doesn't have much going for it. It's a fucking dependency hell, with even a basic GNOME installation requiring the compilation of over 60 separate packages. Sure, there are various scripts to help with this, but it's still a huge hassle dealing with this many dependencies, even when automated.</p><p>It's also built upon a lousy toolkit. GTK+ is a has-been, and is absolutely pathetic compared to a modern toolkit like Qt. GTK+ has a terrible API (modelled on Motif!), not to mention a slow implementation. Their GObject "object system" is absolutely terrible. They could have at least used Objective-C, if they didn't want to use C++.</p><p>The development of GNOME itself has stagnated over the past couple of years. Sure, GNOME 3 is supposed to be released in September, but what we've seen so far has been very immature. If people felt that KDE 4 was released too early, GNOME 3 will be released while it's basically at the embryonic phase of its development. Oracle has realized this, and it's not surprising that they're washing their hands of it.</p><p>If it weren't for GNOME being the default desktop of Ubuntu and Fedora (which is more a fluke of history), it would be long forgotten by now. KDE and XFCE are where the real innovation is happening these days, and the remnants of the GNOME community can't do a thing about it. GNOME is a project that is, for all intents and purposes, obsolete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , I think Oracle is just wise enough to see GNOME for what it is today : a failure.It really does n't have much going for it .
It 's a fucking dependency hell , with even a basic GNOME installation requiring the compilation of over 60 separate packages .
Sure , there are various scripts to help with this , but it 's still a huge hassle dealing with this many dependencies , even when automated.It 's also built upon a lousy toolkit .
GTK + is a has-been , and is absolutely pathetic compared to a modern toolkit like Qt .
GTK + has a terrible API ( modelled on Motif !
) , not to mention a slow implementation .
Their GObject " object system " is absolutely terrible .
They could have at least used Objective-C , if they did n't want to use C + + .The development of GNOME itself has stagnated over the past couple of years .
Sure , GNOME 3 is supposed to be released in September , but what we 've seen so far has been very immature .
If people felt that KDE 4 was released too early , GNOME 3 will be released while it 's basically at the embryonic phase of its development .
Oracle has realized this , and it 's not surprising that they 're washing their hands of it.If it were n't for GNOME being the default desktop of Ubuntu and Fedora ( which is more a fluke of history ) , it would be long forgotten by now .
KDE and XFCE are where the real innovation is happening these days , and the remnants of the GNOME community ca n't do a thing about it .
GNOME is a project that is , for all intents and purposes , obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, I think Oracle is just wise enough to see GNOME for what it is today: a failure.It really doesn't have much going for it.
It's a fucking dependency hell, with even a basic GNOME installation requiring the compilation of over 60 separate packages.
Sure, there are various scripts to help with this, but it's still a huge hassle dealing with this many dependencies, even when automated.It's also built upon a lousy toolkit.
GTK+ is a has-been, and is absolutely pathetic compared to a modern toolkit like Qt.
GTK+ has a terrible API (modelled on Motif!
), not to mention a slow implementation.
Their GObject "object system" is absolutely terrible.
They could have at least used Objective-C, if they didn't want to use C++.The development of GNOME itself has stagnated over the past couple of years.
Sure, GNOME 3 is supposed to be released in September, but what we've seen so far has been very immature.
If people felt that KDE 4 was released too early, GNOME 3 will be released while it's basically at the embryonic phase of its development.
Oracle has realized this, and it's not surprising that they're washing their hands of it.If it weren't for GNOME being the default desktop of Ubuntu and Fedora (which is more a fluke of history), it would be long forgotten by now.
KDE and XFCE are where the real innovation is happening these days, and the remnants of the GNOME community can't do a thing about it.
GNOME is a project that is, for all intents and purposes, obsolete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071860</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1265730180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>MySQL needs to be forked, before it gets forked in the rear by Oracle.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Or you could just use <a href="http://www.postgresql.org/" title="postgresql.org">PostgreSQL</a> [postgresql.org] instead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MySQL needs to be forked , before it gets forked in the rear by Oracle .
Or you could just use PostgreSQL [ postgresql.org ] instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MySQL needs to be forked, before it gets forked in the rear by Oracle.
Or you could just use PostgreSQL [postgresql.org] instead.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068350</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>euxneks</author>
	<datestamp>1265645400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People have been worrying about MySQL. They have been right to worry. However, as a corporation, Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.</p></div><p>
MySQL needs to be forked, before it gets <em>forked</em> in the rear by Oracle.
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...I apologise for the horrible pun.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People have been worrying about MySQL .
They have been right to worry .
However , as a corporation , Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years .
MySQL needs to be forked , before it gets forked in the rear by Oracle .
...I apologise for the horrible pun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have been worrying about MySQL.
They have been right to worry.
However, as a corporation, Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.
MySQL needs to be forked, before it gets forked in the rear by Oracle.
...I apologise for the horrible pun.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068328</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1265645280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might not have been a surprise but it is very unfortunate that Oracle did this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might not have been a surprise but it is very unfortunate that Oracle did this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might not have been a surprise but it is very unfortunate that Oracle did this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069998</id>
	<title>Re:Oracle DB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265713560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree. We use Oracle Weblogic with ADF, and it's a really good framework. Yes, Jdeveloper is bloated and slow, but ADF is great for developing business apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
We use Oracle Weblogic with ADF , and it 's a really good framework .
Yes , Jdeveloper is bloated and slow , but ADF is great for developing business apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
We use Oracle Weblogic with ADF, and it's a really good framework.
Yes, Jdeveloper is bloated and slow, but ADF is great for developing business apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068340</id>
	<title>Good Luck.</title>
	<author>ddxexex</author>
	<datestamp>1265645340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to agree with Joanie that I hope that the laying off (not fired as in the summary) was an accident. But since they've laid off a bunch of other people working for accessibilty, it doesn't look all that good. Hope the letter helps, but if they've already started I don't think they mind having the bad "we don't like the disabled/orphans/elderly/puppies " PR. Good luck for getting the letter to work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree with Joanie that I hope that the laying off ( not fired as in the summary ) was an accident .
But since they 've laid off a bunch of other people working for accessibilty , it does n't look all that good .
Hope the letter helps , but if they 've already started I do n't think they mind having the bad " we do n't like the disabled/orphans/elderly/puppies " PR .
Good luck for getting the letter to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree with Joanie that I hope that the laying off (not fired as in the summary) was an accident.
But since they've laid off a bunch of other people working for accessibilty, it doesn't look all that good.
Hope the letter helps, but if they've already started I don't think they mind having the bad "we don't like the disabled/orphans/elderly/puppies " PR.
Good luck for getting the letter to work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071440</id>
	<title>Re:There is still hope</title>
	<author>eno2001</author>
	<datestamp>1265727780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I haven't been around here for a while.  Not because I don't like Slashdot, but because it's largely become a ghost town in terms of new stories thanks to the cesspool known as Digg.  Having been involved in on-line communities since the late 80s (Cleveland Freenet is dead.  LONG LIVE the Cleveland Freenet!) I can say that this was predictable.  What I didn't predict is that mindless and uncreative trolls such as yourself would still be involved in the Gnome vs. KDE or KDE vs. Gnome wars.  It's like those stories you hear about people finding Japanese soldiers a decade or two later on some uncharted island who are still fighting WW II.  Give it a rest.  Go home.</p><p>Both environments have their uses from the end-user perspective.  Gnome definitely won on claiming the minds of developers. Which of the two has more USEFUL software these days?  I'll give you a hint, it doesn't try to ape Windows.  That said, which development platform caters to more fringe users (not pejorative in the least because I'm one of them) with much more specific uses than grandma?  I'll give you another hint, its developers can't seem to come up with creative names so they preface everything with a K or a Q.</p><p>In a way I feel pity for you.  You would have engaged a lot of people back in the day.  But today, you're kind of like the crazy old uncle who gets drunk at family parties and starts feeling up his nieces: sad and very very wrong.  Pack it in soldier.  The world has moved on.</p><p>TT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I have n't been around here for a while .
Not because I do n't like Slashdot , but because it 's largely become a ghost town in terms of new stories thanks to the cesspool known as Digg .
Having been involved in on-line communities since the late 80s ( Cleveland Freenet is dead .
LONG LIVE the Cleveland Freenet !
) I can say that this was predictable .
What I did n't predict is that mindless and uncreative trolls such as yourself would still be involved in the Gnome vs. KDE or KDE vs. Gnome wars .
It 's like those stories you hear about people finding Japanese soldiers a decade or two later on some uncharted island who are still fighting WW II .
Give it a rest .
Go home.Both environments have their uses from the end-user perspective .
Gnome definitely won on claiming the minds of developers .
Which of the two has more USEFUL software these days ?
I 'll give you a hint , it does n't try to ape Windows .
That said , which development platform caters to more fringe users ( not pejorative in the least because I 'm one of them ) with much more specific uses than grandma ?
I 'll give you another hint , its developers ca n't seem to come up with creative names so they preface everything with a K or a Q.In a way I feel pity for you .
You would have engaged a lot of people back in the day .
But today , you 're kind of like the crazy old uncle who gets drunk at family parties and starts feeling up his nieces : sad and very very wrong .
Pack it in soldier .
The world has moved on.TT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I haven't been around here for a while.
Not because I don't like Slashdot, but because it's largely become a ghost town in terms of new stories thanks to the cesspool known as Digg.
Having been involved in on-line communities since the late 80s (Cleveland Freenet is dead.
LONG LIVE the Cleveland Freenet!
) I can say that this was predictable.
What I didn't predict is that mindless and uncreative trolls such as yourself would still be involved in the Gnome vs. KDE or KDE vs. Gnome wars.
It's like those stories you hear about people finding Japanese soldiers a decade or two later on some uncharted island who are still fighting WW II.
Give it a rest.
Go home.Both environments have their uses from the end-user perspective.
Gnome definitely won on claiming the minds of developers.
Which of the two has more USEFUL software these days?
I'll give you a hint, it doesn't try to ape Windows.
That said, which development platform caters to more fringe users (not pejorative in the least because I'm one of them) with much more specific uses than grandma?
I'll give you another hint, its developers can't seem to come up with creative names so they preface everything with a K or a Q.In a way I feel pity for you.
You would have engaged a lot of people back in the day.
But today, you're kind of like the crazy old uncle who gets drunk at family parties and starts feeling up his nieces: sad and very very wrong.
Pack it in soldier.
The world has moved on.TT</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068410</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31073384</id>
	<title>f5g acronyms</title>
	<author>hoggoth</author>
	<datestamp>1265736600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This just shows that all too few companies are sponsoring a11y work"</p><p>I h2e f5g s4d a6s!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This just shows that all too few companies are sponsoring a11y work " I h2e f5g s4d a6s !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This just shows that all too few companies are sponsoring a11y work"I h2e f5g s4d a6s!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069576</id>
	<title>And in the afternoon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265748960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CEO Ellison decided to pass the time by pushing a few wheelchair users down staircases while he was at it. -\_-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CEO Ellison decided to pass the time by pushing a few wheelchair users down staircases while he was at it .
- \ _-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CEO Ellison decided to pass the time by pushing a few wheelchair users down staircases while he was at it.
-\_-</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31070492</id>
	<title>Re:First Post</title>
	<author>Helen Keller</author>
	<datestamp>1265720160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GnnnnclodMEH!</htmltext>
<tokenext>GnnnnclodMEH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GnnnnclodMEH!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068202</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31070792</id>
	<title>Re:If there's a need</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265723460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think you appreciate the difference between being able to work on a project full-time, and having it as a side project that you juggle with your real job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you appreciate the difference between being able to work on a project full-time , and having it as a side project that you juggle with your real job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you appreciate the difference between being able to work on a project full-time, and having it as a side project that you juggle with your real job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068526</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068362</id>
	<title>Gnome rivalry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265645640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe the folks at Oracle use KDE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the folks at Oracle use KDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the folks at Oracle use KDE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068792</id>
	<title>Is it wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265650500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b> <i>This is a very sad day for disabled people, as it means we do not really have full-time developers any more.</i> </b></p><p>When I read this my first thought was "They should march...Um. I guess they can't."</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a very sad day for disabled people , as it means we do not really have full-time developers any more .
When I read this my first thought was " They should march...Um .
I guess they ca n't .
" LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This is a very sad day for disabled people, as it means we do not really have full-time developers any more.
When I read this my first thought was "They should march...Um.
I guess they can't.
"LK</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068724</id>
	<title>I'm confused.</title>
	<author>CherniyVolk</author>
	<datestamp>1265649840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read the article, heart warming indeed.  I am grateful of corporate assistance in Open Source, I render respect and appreciation for what has come as a result of combining capitalistic economics with social/community based efforts.  A lot can happen put the two together.</p><p>But, the article seems to portray doom and utter failure if it weren't for paid sponsorship of a particular sliver of Open Source projects.  This is where the confusion sets in, because while there is a lot to thank business and their contributions, a lot has been done the by the community at large.  I think Accessibility Features will continue, but perhaps not with the same zeal (this I understand, not sure how many disabled hackers there are out there).  Progress will continue.</p><p>It sure seems to me, that Open Source projects really started getting much better in the early 2000s.  About the same time the dot-com bubble burst and put a lot of skilled programmers on the street looking for new career paths.  I never saw any reports, no stats to back this up, but it did seem this way.  Anyways, after 9/11 I was one of those out looking for a new job, and I just sat at home and did whatever; which included coding.</p><p>Now that's Capitalism in all it's irony if you ask me; try to save a little money by laying off high skilled people and using those 6 figure salaries to pay executive bonuses, only to later lose billions in market share because those ex-employees continued working on their own anyways in different areas and fields.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read the article , heart warming indeed .
I am grateful of corporate assistance in Open Source , I render respect and appreciation for what has come as a result of combining capitalistic economics with social/community based efforts .
A lot can happen put the two together.But , the article seems to portray doom and utter failure if it were n't for paid sponsorship of a particular sliver of Open Source projects .
This is where the confusion sets in , because while there is a lot to thank business and their contributions , a lot has been done the by the community at large .
I think Accessibility Features will continue , but perhaps not with the same zeal ( this I understand , not sure how many disabled hackers there are out there ) .
Progress will continue.It sure seems to me , that Open Source projects really started getting much better in the early 2000s .
About the same time the dot-com bubble burst and put a lot of skilled programmers on the street looking for new career paths .
I never saw any reports , no stats to back this up , but it did seem this way .
Anyways , after 9/11 I was one of those out looking for a new job , and I just sat at home and did whatever ; which included coding.Now that 's Capitalism in all it 's irony if you ask me ; try to save a little money by laying off high skilled people and using those 6 figure salaries to pay executive bonuses , only to later lose billions in market share because those ex-employees continued working on their own anyways in different areas and fields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read the article, heart warming indeed.
I am grateful of corporate assistance in Open Source, I render respect and appreciation for what has come as a result of combining capitalistic economics with social/community based efforts.
A lot can happen put the two together.But, the article seems to portray doom and utter failure if it weren't for paid sponsorship of a particular sliver of Open Source projects.
This is where the confusion sets in, because while there is a lot to thank business and their contributions, a lot has been done the by the community at large.
I think Accessibility Features will continue, but perhaps not with the same zeal (this I understand, not sure how many disabled hackers there are out there).
Progress will continue.It sure seems to me, that Open Source projects really started getting much better in the early 2000s.
About the same time the dot-com bubble burst and put a lot of skilled programmers on the street looking for new career paths.
I never saw any reports, no stats to back this up, but it did seem this way.
Anyways, after 9/11 I was one of those out looking for a new job, and I just sat at home and did whatever; which included coding.Now that's Capitalism in all it's irony if you ask me; try to save a little money by laying off high skilled people and using those 6 figure salaries to pay executive bonuses, only to later lose billions in market share because those ex-employees continued working on their own anyways in different areas and fields.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31073644</id>
	<title>Re:Linux often not sold</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265737380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was under the impression that Oracle does sell linux.</p><p><a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/index.htm" title="oracle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/index.htm</a> [oracle.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was under the impression that Oracle does sell linux.http : //www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/index.htm [ oracle.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was under the impression that Oracle does sell linux.http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/index.htm [oracle.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068204</id>
	<title>There is still hope</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265643960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The beautiful thing about Gnome is that it is an open source project that anyone can contribute to.  Also, you can learn to type with your nose and maybe your foot (to operate the shift key) so you can contribute code to the project that way</htmltext>
<tokenext>The beautiful thing about Gnome is that it is an open source project that anyone can contribute to .
Also , you can learn to type with your nose and maybe your foot ( to operate the shift key ) so you can contribute code to the project that way</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The beautiful thing about Gnome is that it is an open source project that anyone can contribute to.
Also, you can learn to type with your nose and maybe your foot (to operate the shift key) so you can contribute code to the project that way</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068240</id>
	<title>Retards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Retards use Linux? Who knew...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Retards use Linux ?
Who knew.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Retards use Linux?
Who knew...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068512</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265647380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But "drop" is an SQL command, thus, it makes the headline punny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But " drop " is an SQL command , thus , it makes the headline punny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But "drop" is an SQL command, thus, it makes the headline punny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068286</id>
	<title>Bad title</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1265644860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
It should say: Oracle <b>breaks</b> their commitment to accessibility, that they inherited when they acquired sun.
</p><p>
In other words, Oracle is going back on their word, and is perhaps about to show how dishonest, despicable, and evil they (apparently) are, or not, depending on whether they keep their word (or not).
</p><p>
Once you make a commitment, you can't "drop it".
You either uphold your promise, or you break it.
</p><p>
It looks like Oracle's about to break their promise.
</p><p>
It doesn't matter at all that people who worked for Sun originally made the promise.   Oracle acquired Sun, so they acquired all their promises, obligations, and dirty laundry too.
</p><p>
Revising or 'dropping' a promise you made
is called reneging on obligations you made.
</p><p>
When a company says they're committed to something, they've made a promise.
They can't become "uncommitted" or "no longer committed" without either succeeding, or having lied in the first place.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should say : Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility , that they inherited when they acquired sun .
In other words , Oracle is going back on their word , and is perhaps about to show how dishonest , despicable , and evil they ( apparently ) are , or not , depending on whether they keep their word ( or not ) .
Once you make a commitment , you ca n't " drop it " .
You either uphold your promise , or you break it .
It looks like Oracle 's about to break their promise .
It does n't matter at all that people who worked for Sun originally made the promise .
Oracle acquired Sun , so they acquired all their promises , obligations , and dirty laundry too .
Revising or 'dropping ' a promise you made is called reneging on obligations you made .
When a company says they 're committed to something , they 've made a promise .
They ca n't become " uncommitted " or " no longer committed " without either succeeding , or having lied in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It should say: Oracle breaks their commitment to accessibility, that they inherited when they acquired sun.
In other words, Oracle is going back on their word, and is perhaps about to show how dishonest, despicable, and evil they (apparently) are, or not, depending on whether they keep their word (or not).
Once you make a commitment, you can't "drop it".
You either uphold your promise, or you break it.
It looks like Oracle's about to break their promise.
It doesn't matter at all that people who worked for Sun originally made the promise.
Oracle acquired Sun, so they acquired all their promises, obligations, and dirty laundry too.
Revising or 'dropping' a promise you made
is called reneging on obligations you made.
When a company says they're committed to something, they've made a promise.
They can't become "uncommitted" or "no longer committed" without either succeeding, or having lied in the first place.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068526</id>
	<title>If there's a need</title>
	<author>Dunbal</author>
	<datestamp>1265647500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when did decisions by profit maximizing big business have any impact on Open Source Software? Yes, it may have been nice that Sun was spending money on supporting this sort of thing, but why have you come to expect - nay, DEPEND on a hand-out, as if the very life of the program was tied to it?</p><p>When there is a need, the code will get written. By the grandson of the blind grandmother. Or the father of the deaf child. That has been the story of the whole open source movement to date. If you don't like what Oracle is doing, then fork and to hell with them. If you're whining because your subsidized job has been canceled - well too bad. Life sucks sometimes.</p><p>There's a reason Sun was losing money and got bought out. If you can't work on your project without pay, well, your motives have suddenly become clear. You don't care about the project but rather the paycheck. Stop pointing out how wonderful your project was going to be - because obviously it isn't important enough for you to keep working on it without being paid. And for God's sake don't blame Oracle for taking a business decision. I know it's hard to think this way today in the United Socialist States of America, but maybe Oracle doesn't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous "feel good" projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when did decisions by profit maximizing big business have any impact on Open Source Software ?
Yes , it may have been nice that Sun was spending money on supporting this sort of thing , but why have you come to expect - nay , DEPEND on a hand-out , as if the very life of the program was tied to it ? When there is a need , the code will get written .
By the grandson of the blind grandmother .
Or the father of the deaf child .
That has been the story of the whole open source movement to date .
If you do n't like what Oracle is doing , then fork and to hell with them .
If you 're whining because your subsidized job has been canceled - well too bad .
Life sucks sometimes.There 's a reason Sun was losing money and got bought out .
If you ca n't work on your project without pay , well , your motives have suddenly become clear .
You do n't care about the project but rather the paycheck .
Stop pointing out how wonderful your project was going to be - because obviously it is n't important enough for you to keep working on it without being paid .
And for God 's sake do n't blame Oracle for taking a business decision .
I know it 's hard to think this way today in the United Socialist States of America , but maybe Oracle does n't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous " feel good " projects that add ZERO to their bottom line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when did decisions by profit maximizing big business have any impact on Open Source Software?
Yes, it may have been nice that Sun was spending money on supporting this sort of thing, but why have you come to expect - nay, DEPEND on a hand-out, as if the very life of the program was tied to it?When there is a need, the code will get written.
By the grandson of the blind grandmother.
Or the father of the deaf child.
That has been the story of the whole open source movement to date.
If you don't like what Oracle is doing, then fork and to hell with them.
If you're whining because your subsidized job has been canceled - well too bad.
Life sucks sometimes.There's a reason Sun was losing money and got bought out.
If you can't work on your project without pay, well, your motives have suddenly become clear.
You don't care about the project but rather the paycheck.
Stop pointing out how wonderful your project was going to be - because obviously it isn't important enough for you to keep working on it without being paid.
And for God's sake don't blame Oracle for taking a business decision.
I know it's hard to think this way today in the United Socialist States of America, but maybe Oracle doesn't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous "feel good" projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068624</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Canberra Bob</author>
	<datestamp>1265648700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Revising or 'dropping' a promise you made is called reneging on obligations you made.</p> </div><p>No, dropping a promise is not reneging on obligations.  Sun promised to work on accessibility, however they were in absolutely no way obliged to work on accessibility.  There is a big difference between the two.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Revising or 'dropping ' a promise you made is called reneging on obligations you made .
No , dropping a promise is not reneging on obligations .
Sun promised to work on accessibility , however they were in absolutely no way obliged to work on accessibility .
There is a big difference between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Revising or 'dropping' a promise you made is called reneging on obligations you made.
No, dropping a promise is not reneging on obligations.
Sun promised to work on accessibility, however they were in absolutely no way obliged to work on accessibility.
There is a big difference between the two.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068286</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068276</id>
	<title>Oracle DB</title>
	<author>Chris Lawrence</author>
	<datestamp>1265644740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oracle has a solid core DB engine.  It dates back to the seventies, but it has evolved and it's still really good.  Everything built around it is pretty much crap.  But people buy from Oracle for the DB engine, then get stuck buying a lot of other super-expensive, bad quality software.  I love PostgreSQL, and it's getting better every day, but there's still some stuff the core Oracle engine did ten years ago you can't get anywhere else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle has a solid core DB engine .
It dates back to the seventies , but it has evolved and it 's still really good .
Everything built around it is pretty much crap .
But people buy from Oracle for the DB engine , then get stuck buying a lot of other super-expensive , bad quality software .
I love PostgreSQL , and it 's getting better every day , but there 's still some stuff the core Oracle engine did ten years ago you ca n't get anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle has a solid core DB engine.
It dates back to the seventies, but it has evolved and it's still really good.
Everything built around it is pretty much crap.
But people buy from Oracle for the DB engine, then get stuck buying a lot of other super-expensive, bad quality software.
I love PostgreSQL, and it's getting better every day, but there's still some stuff the core Oracle engine did ten years ago you can't get anywhere else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31078074</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1265710680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However, as a corporation, Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.</p></div><p>Good, that may mean we'll finally see a huge leap in PostgreSQL usage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However , as a corporation , Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.Good , that may mean we 'll finally see a huge leap in PostgreSQL usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, as a corporation, Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.Good, that may mean we'll finally see a huge leap in PostgreSQL usage.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068260</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068252</id>
	<title>Use Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't Windows 7 offer excellent accessibility options??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't Windows 7 offer excellent accessibility options ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't Windows 7 offer excellent accessibility options?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068614</id>
	<title>Doesn't seem to match with their own words...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265648640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Oracle is committed to creating accessible technologies and products that enhance the overall workplace environment and contribute to the productivity of our employees, our customers, and our customers' customers."<br>&mdash;Safra Catz, President and CFO, Oracle (http://www.oracle.com/accessibility/index.html)</p><p>Some people do what they promise, while others seem to work at Oracle...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Oracle is committed to creating accessible technologies and products that enhance the overall workplace environment and contribute to the productivity of our employees , our customers , and our customers ' customers .
"    Safra Catz , President and CFO , Oracle ( http : //www.oracle.com/accessibility/index.html ) Some people do what they promise , while others seem to work at Oracle... : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Oracle is committed to creating accessible technologies and products that enhance the overall workplace environment and contribute to the productivity of our employees, our customers, and our customers' customers.
"—Safra Catz, President and CFO, Oracle (http://www.oracle.com/accessibility/index.html)Some people do what they promise, while others seem to work at Oracle... :-(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068650</id>
	<title>A11Y as a form of freedom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265649000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It really strikes me that as this is such an important and empowering technology, and a part of the GNOME desktop no less, that it should fall to the people of the Free Software Foundation (or I guess more correctly of the GNU Project) to make this a high priority project, and see that it gets the attention it deserves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It really strikes me that as this is such an important and empowering technology , and a part of the GNOME desktop no less , that it should fall to the people of the Free Software Foundation ( or I guess more correctly of the GNU Project ) to make this a high priority project , and see that it gets the attention it deserves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really strikes me that as this is such an important and empowering technology, and a part of the GNOME desktop no less, that it should fall to the people of the Free Software Foundation (or I guess more correctly of the GNU Project) to make this a high priority project, and see that it gets the attention it deserves.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069376</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>VendettaMF</author>
	<datestamp>1265658900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MySQl is used by people capable of thought and pattern recognition.<br>MySQL is an important and useful tool for people who actually work with and on computers.</p><p>OOo is a cheap and nasty (and almost non-functional) attempt to annoy Microsoft.<br>OOo is used by people too cheap to pay for real tools to do their work.</p><p>There's a bit of a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MySQl is used by people capable of thought and pattern recognition.MySQL is an important and useful tool for people who actually work with and on computers.OOo is a cheap and nasty ( and almost non-functional ) attempt to annoy Microsoft.OOo is used by people too cheap to pay for real tools to do their work.There 's a bit of a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MySQl is used by people capable of thought and pattern recognition.MySQL is an important and useful tool for people who actually work with and on computers.OOo is a cheap and nasty (and almost non-functional) attempt to annoy Microsoft.OOo is used by people too cheap to pay for real tools to do their work.There's a bit of a difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069766</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265709000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the eyes of a pure capitalist it's also a sane decision to use slaves. Doesn't mean I have to like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the eyes of a pure capitalist it 's also a sane decision to use slaves .
Does n't mean I have to like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the eyes of a pure capitalist it's also a sane decision to use slaves.
Doesn't mean I have to like it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068530</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068508</id>
	<title>Re:Oracle DB</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265647380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What does this have to do with accessibility? Way off point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What does this have to do with accessibility ?
Way off point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does this have to do with accessibility?
Way off point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068202</id>
	<title>First Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265643960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This post is for GNAA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This post is for GNAA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post is for GNAA</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31073090</id>
	<title>Re:Linux often not sold</title>
	<author>wastedlife</author>
	<datestamp>1265735580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As long as Oracle is not selling Linux, Oracle has no legal obligation under 508 to make Linux accessible.</p></div><p>Oracle is not selling Linux? Maybe someone should  <a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/linux/025994.htm" title="oracle.com">tell</a> [oracle.com] <a href="https://shop.oracle.com/pls/ostore/f?p=ostore:2:0::NO:RP,2:PROD\_HIER\_ID:4510272175861805728468" title="oracle.com">them.</a> [oracle.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as Oracle is not selling Linux , Oracle has no legal obligation under 508 to make Linux accessible.Oracle is not selling Linux ?
Maybe someone should tell [ oracle.com ] them .
[ oracle.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as Oracle is not selling Linux, Oracle has no legal obligation under 508 to make Linux accessible.Oracle is not selling Linux?
Maybe someone should  tell [oracle.com] them.
[oracle.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068606</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068600</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>IntlHarvester</author>
	<datestamp>1265648520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People have been worrying about MySQL. They have been right to worry.</p> </div><p>Its funny. With all the hubbub surrounding MySQL, hardly anyone has even bothered asking what's going to happen to OpenOffice.org.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People have been worrying about MySQL .
They have been right to worry .
Its funny .
With all the hubbub surrounding MySQL , hardly anyone has even bothered asking what 's going to happen to OpenOffice.org .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have been worrying about MySQL.
They have been right to worry.
Its funny.
With all the hubbub surrounding MySQL, hardly anyone has even bothered asking what's going to happen to OpenOffice.org.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068260</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068646</id>
	<title>Re:Retards</title>
	<author>pookemon</author>
	<datestamp>1265648880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you now.  Interesting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you now .
Interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you now.
Interesting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068240</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069268</id>
	<title>important work for the disabled, and the lazy</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1265656800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get it. Everyone here keeps talking like work on accessibility for the disabled is somehow a charity operation, even in open source land. Like there needs to be laws to mandated it, or no one would do it. Work on accessibility is a very very important corner of computer science in general. It is where some of the most groundbreaking crap us lazy people (sorry, the motivationally challenged) have derived the stuff we take for granted everyday now on our phones, our call centers, and so on. To talk about this sort of work as if it was only for the blind, or only for the hearing impaired is silly. Shame on you all, and dumb move by any companies R&amp;D department that walks away from it. What helps someone read a screen today, gets incorporated in to your cell phone tomorrow for the sighted that simply want to be more efficient or the just motivationally challenged.</p><p>It is also one of the really practical areas of AI, things like voice recognition, and so on.</p><p>The big opertunity that is being missed I believe is that something like 45\% of Americans will be over 55 by 2012 (I might have stat a bit backwards), and that means gobs and gobs of money that can provide IT technology to the disabled. A large portion of the American population is going to be in that category shortly. It might very well be the new<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com bubble of the next 10 years, to those that can appreciate the problem early. Sadly, I don't see a whole lot of that going on yet, but it will come.</p><p>My hats off and full support to anyone working in that field, regardless of who your end target it is. My predication is that your going to wake up one morning very rich not too long from now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get it .
Everyone here keeps talking like work on accessibility for the disabled is somehow a charity operation , even in open source land .
Like there needs to be laws to mandated it , or no one would do it .
Work on accessibility is a very very important corner of computer science in general .
It is where some of the most groundbreaking crap us lazy people ( sorry , the motivationally challenged ) have derived the stuff we take for granted everyday now on our phones , our call centers , and so on .
To talk about this sort of work as if it was only for the blind , or only for the hearing impaired is silly .
Shame on you all , and dumb move by any companies R&amp;D department that walks away from it .
What helps someone read a screen today , gets incorporated in to your cell phone tomorrow for the sighted that simply want to be more efficient or the just motivationally challenged.It is also one of the really practical areas of AI , things like voice recognition , and so on.The big opertunity that is being missed I believe is that something like 45 \ % of Americans will be over 55 by 2012 ( I might have stat a bit backwards ) , and that means gobs and gobs of money that can provide IT technology to the disabled .
A large portion of the American population is going to be in that category shortly .
It might very well be the new .com bubble of the next 10 years , to those that can appreciate the problem early .
Sadly , I do n't see a whole lot of that going on yet , but it will come.My hats off and full support to anyone working in that field , regardless of who your end target it is .
My predication is that your going to wake up one morning very rich not too long from now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get it.
Everyone here keeps talking like work on accessibility for the disabled is somehow a charity operation, even in open source land.
Like there needs to be laws to mandated it, or no one would do it.
Work on accessibility is a very very important corner of computer science in general.
It is where some of the most groundbreaking crap us lazy people (sorry, the motivationally challenged) have derived the stuff we take for granted everyday now on our phones, our call centers, and so on.
To talk about this sort of work as if it was only for the blind, or only for the hearing impaired is silly.
Shame on you all, and dumb move by any companies R&amp;D department that walks away from it.
What helps someone read a screen today, gets incorporated in to your cell phone tomorrow for the sighted that simply want to be more efficient or the just motivationally challenged.It is also one of the really practical areas of AI, things like voice recognition, and so on.The big opertunity that is being missed I believe is that something like 45\% of Americans will be over 55 by 2012 (I might have stat a bit backwards), and that means gobs and gobs of money that can provide IT technology to the disabled.
A large portion of the American population is going to be in that category shortly.
It might very well be the new .com bubble of the next 10 years, to those that can appreciate the problem early.
Sadly, I don't see a whole lot of that going on yet, but it will come.My hats off and full support to anyone working in that field, regardless of who your end target it is.
My predication is that your going to wake up one morning very rich not too long from now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068482</id>
	<title>Re:*Physically disabled*</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1265647080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Accessibility falls into a different category.  You *could* say, sorry you weren't born with sight, try again next life.  But that wouldn't be a very nice thing to say.</p></div><p>Except it's the very people with disabilities who often work toward finding the solutions they need.  Just ask Louis Braille.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it?  I would hope we've evolved past that.</p></div><p>No, but they also don't need you to tell them what to take or not take.  People with disabilities are just as capable as anyone else to solve their own problems without your concern, interference, or instructions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Accessibility falls into a different category .
You * could * say , sorry you were n't born with sight , try again next life .
But that would n't be a very nice thing to say.Except it 's the very people with disabilities who often work toward finding the solutions they need .
Just ask Louis Braille.Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it ?
I would hope we 've evolved past that.No , but they also do n't need you to tell them what to take or not take .
People with disabilities are just as capable as anyone else to solve their own problems without your concern , interference , or instructions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Accessibility falls into a different category.
You *could* say, sorry you weren't born with sight, try again next life.
But that wouldn't be a very nice thing to say.Except it's the very people with disabilities who often work toward finding the solutions they need.
Just ask Louis Braille.Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it?
I would hope we've evolved past that.No, but they also don't need you to tell them what to take or not take.
People with disabilities are just as capable as anyone else to solve their own problems without your concern, interference, or instructions.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068332</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068260</id>
	<title>Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely this does not come as a surprise to anyone?</p><p>Oracle, who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products (from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.</p><p>Anything that Sun pursued on moral or ethical grounds, and anything that shows "future promise" will be axed as soon as they spot it.</p><p>As well as anything that could potentially compete with their more expensive in-house crap.</p><p>People have been worrying about MySQL. They have been right to worry. However, as a corporation, Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely this does not come as a surprise to anyone ? Oracle , who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products ( from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now ) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.Anything that Sun pursued on moral or ethical grounds , and anything that shows " future promise " will be axed as soon as they spot it.As well as anything that could potentially compete with their more expensive in-house crap.People have been worrying about MySQL .
They have been right to worry .
However , as a corporation , Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely this does not come as a surprise to anyone?Oracle, who have deliberately lessened the abilities of their own products (from a reasonably solid database system 10 years ago to a steaming turd now) in order to sell more licenses to do the same amount of work will continue to cut anything that is not immediately profitable.Anything that Sun pursued on moral or ethical grounds, and anything that shows "future promise" will be axed as soon as they spot it.As well as anything that could potentially compete with their more expensive in-house crap.People have been worrying about MySQL.
They have been right to worry.
However, as a corporation, Oracle can and will have all relevant American laws re-written/re-interpreted as necessary to see all commercial deployment of MySQL in the USA dead within two years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068332</id>
	<title>Re:*Physically disabled*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265645280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In general, you're right.  You want a feature in OSS, and no one is doing it?  Do it yourself.  Accessibility falls into a different category.  You *could* say, sorry you weren't born with sight, try again next life.  But that wouldn't be a very nice thing to say.  We have two main commercial operating systems, Mac OS X, and Windows.  So, let's say both companies decide accessibility doesn't matter, just screw it.  Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it?  I would hope we've evolved past that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In general , you 're right .
You want a feature in OSS , and no one is doing it ?
Do it yourself .
Accessibility falls into a different category .
You * could * say , sorry you were n't born with sight , try again next life .
But that would n't be a very nice thing to say .
We have two main commercial operating systems , Mac OS X , and Windows .
So , let 's say both companies decide accessibility does n't matter , just screw it .
Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it ?
I would hope we 've evolved past that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In general, you're right.
You want a feature in OSS, and no one is doing it?
Do it yourself.
Accessibility falls into a different category.
You *could* say, sorry you weren't born with sight, try again next life.
But that wouldn't be a very nice thing to say.
We have two main commercial operating systems, Mac OS X, and Windows.
So, let's say both companies decide accessibility doesn't matter, just screw it.
Are people with disabilities supposed to just lie down and take it?
I would hope we've evolved past that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068258</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31074188</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265739300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There may now be several former Sun engineers willing to repaint your house and sweep your yard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There may now be several former Sun engineers willing to repaint your house and sweep your yard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There may now be several former Sun engineers willing to repaint your house and sweep your yard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068466</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068730</id>
	<title>Duplication of effort?</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1265649960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it possible, like with the accounting departments, that two of these departments won't be needed, and one was disbanded?  Why does everything with you guys have to be rich=evil?  Sometimes rich=smart.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it possible , like with the accounting departments , that two of these departments wo n't be needed , and one was disbanded ?
Why does everything with you guys have to be rich = evil ?
Sometimes rich = smart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it possible, like with the accounting departments, that two of these departments won't be needed, and one was disbanded?
Why does everything with you guys have to be rich=evil?
Sometimes rich=smart.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068346</id>
	<title>Re:*Physically disabled*</title>
	<author>Romancer</author>
	<datestamp>1265645400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Oracle is committed to creating accessible technologies and products that enhance the overall workplace environment and contribute to the productivity of our employees, our customers, and our customers' customers."<br>--Safra Catz, President and CFO, Oracle</p><p>For many reasons--legal, business, and ethical--Oracle recognizes the need for our applications, and our customers' and partners' products built with our tools, to be usable by the disabled community.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So not really "bellyaching", more of a "holding a company to the claims they make."</p><p>A lot of people were worried what would happen to the support of these programs when the buyout was announced. Almost as if they were part of a community that used the products and hoped that the support they have given the company wasn't going to result in them being abandoned after the merger.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm Joanie. By day, I'm an assistive technology specialist working with individuals who are blind or visually impaired. By night, weekend, and holiday for almost four years now, I've been a GNOME community contributor working primarily on the Orca screen reader, a project led by Sun's Accessibility Program Office.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>---The author of the article you didn't read.</p></div></div></div></div></div>
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<tokenext>" Oracle is committed to creating accessible technologies and products that enhance the overall workplace environment and contribute to the productivity of our employees , our customers , and our customers ' customers .
" --Safra Catz , President and CFO , OracleFor many reasons--legal , business , and ethical--Oracle recognizes the need for our applications , and our customers ' and partners ' products built with our tools , to be usable by the disabled community.So not really " bellyaching " , more of a " holding a company to the claims they make .
" A lot of people were worried what would happen to the support of these programs when the buyout was announced .
Almost as if they were part of a community that used the products and hoped that the support they have given the company was n't going to result in them being abandoned after the merger.I 'm Joanie .
By day , I 'm an assistive technology specialist working with individuals who are blind or visually impaired .
By night , weekend , and holiday for almost four years now , I 've been a GNOME community contributor working primarily on the Orca screen reader , a project led by Sun 's Accessibility Program Office.---The author of the article you did n't read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Oracle is committed to creating accessible technologies and products that enhance the overall workplace environment and contribute to the productivity of our employees, our customers, and our customers' customers.
"--Safra Catz, President and CFO, OracleFor many reasons--legal, business, and ethical--Oracle recognizes the need for our applications, and our customers' and partners' products built with our tools, to be usable by the disabled community.So not really "bellyaching", more of a "holding a company to the claims they make.
"A lot of people were worried what would happen to the support of these programs when the buyout was announced.
Almost as if they were part of a community that used the products and hoped that the support they have given the company wasn't going to result in them being abandoned after the merger.I'm Joanie.
By day, I'm an assistive technology specialist working with individuals who are blind or visually impaired.
By night, weekend, and holiday for almost four years now, I've been a GNOME community contributor working primarily on the Orca screen reader, a project led by Sun's Accessibility Program Office.---The author of the article you didn't read.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068940</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>war4peace</author>
	<datestamp>1265652120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
It doesn't matter at all that people who worked for Sun originally made the promise.   Oracle acquired Sun, so they acquired all their promises, obligations, and dirty laundry too.
</p></div><p>No shit. I promise I will give all my friends 1 million bucks each. Now you go ahead and adopt me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It does n't matter at all that people who worked for Sun originally made the promise .
Oracle acquired Sun , so they acquired all their promises , obligations , and dirty laundry too .
No shit .
I promise I will give all my friends 1 million bucks each .
Now you go ahead and adopt me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It doesn't matter at all that people who worked for Sun originally made the promise.
Oracle acquired Sun, so they acquired all their promises, obligations, and dirty laundry too.
No shit.
I promise I will give all my friends 1 million bucks each.
Now you go ahead and adopt me.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069824</id>
	<title>Re:If there's a need</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265710380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Since when did decisions by profit maximizing big business have any impact on Open Source Software? Yes, it may have been nice that Sun was spending money on supporting this sort of thing, but why have you come to expect - nay, DEPEND on a hand-out, as if the very life of the program was tied to it?</p><p>When there is a need, the code will get written. By the grandson of the blind grandmother. Or the father of the deaf child. That has been the story of the whole open source movement to date. If you don't like what Oracle is doing, then fork and to hell with them. If you're whining because your subsidized job has been canceled - well too bad. Life sucks sometimes.</p><p>There's a reason Sun was losing money and got bought out. If you can't work on your project without pay, well, your motives have suddenly become clear. You don't care about the project but rather the paycheck. Stop pointing out how wonderful your project was going to be - because obviously it isn't important enough for you to keep working on it without being paid. And for God's sake don't blame Oracle for taking a business decision. I know it's hard to think this way today in the United Socialist States of America, but maybe Oracle doesn't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous "feel good" projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.</p></div><p>I really hope you get fired on account of your rude insensitive comments!! since you seem to be emotionally disabled.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Since when did decisions by profit maximizing big business have any impact on Open Source Software ?
Yes , it may have been nice that Sun was spending money on supporting this sort of thing , but why have you come to expect - nay , DEPEND on a hand-out , as if the very life of the program was tied to it ? When there is a need , the code will get written .
By the grandson of the blind grandmother .
Or the father of the deaf child .
That has been the story of the whole open source movement to date .
If you do n't like what Oracle is doing , then fork and to hell with them .
If you 're whining because your subsidized job has been canceled - well too bad .
Life sucks sometimes.There 's a reason Sun was losing money and got bought out .
If you ca n't work on your project without pay , well , your motives have suddenly become clear .
You do n't care about the project but rather the paycheck .
Stop pointing out how wonderful your project was going to be - because obviously it is n't important enough for you to keep working on it without being paid .
And for God 's sake do n't blame Oracle for taking a business decision .
I know it 's hard to think this way today in the United Socialist States of America , but maybe Oracle does n't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous " feel good " projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.I really hope you get fired on account of your rude insensitive comments ! !
since you seem to be emotionally disabled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when did decisions by profit maximizing big business have any impact on Open Source Software?
Yes, it may have been nice that Sun was spending money on supporting this sort of thing, but why have you come to expect - nay, DEPEND on a hand-out, as if the very life of the program was tied to it?When there is a need, the code will get written.
By the grandson of the blind grandmother.
Or the father of the deaf child.
That has been the story of the whole open source movement to date.
If you don't like what Oracle is doing, then fork and to hell with them.
If you're whining because your subsidized job has been canceled - well too bad.
Life sucks sometimes.There's a reason Sun was losing money and got bought out.
If you can't work on your project without pay, well, your motives have suddenly become clear.
You don't care about the project but rather the paycheck.
Stop pointing out how wonderful your project was going to be - because obviously it isn't important enough for you to keep working on it without being paid.
And for God's sake don't blame Oracle for taking a business decision.
I know it's hard to think this way today in the United Socialist States of America, but maybe Oracle doesn't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous "feel good" projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.I really hope you get fired on account of your rude insensitive comments!!
since you seem to be emotionally disabled.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068720</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1265649660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, the headline's wrong. But not about what got broken. When did Sun ever make a "commitment to accessibility"?</p><p>Here's what they did have: their perpetual fantasy that they could come up with a desktop that would challenge Windows. Their latest form of this fantasy was Java Desktop System, which actually has nothing to do with Java. It's just a rebranded GNOME, ported to Solaris. When I was at Sun, Sun Rays running JDS were all over the place, and JDS was heavily pushed at our customers. Though even within Sun, use of Windows or Mac PCs (usually laptops) got more and more pervasive.</p><p>JDS has to comply with federal accessibility rules, or nobody will buy it. (Nobody bought it anyway, but that's another issue.) So Sun needs GNOME to have good accessibility support. Presumably that's why Sun started contributing accessibility development. That's how <i>all</i> corporate contributions to OS projects happen &mdash; it isn't generosity, it's the contributor needing the product to do something it doesn't already do.</p><p>I haven't seen any announcement, but it's to be expected that Oracle will finally put an end to this expensive and futile quest for a Windows-killer. Which is why you can't find JDS anywhere on oracle.com. (The old JDS page on sun.com redirects to Oracle's Solaris page.) If Oracle doesn't need JDS, then they don't need accessibility software.</p><p>One of many Sun windmill-tilting projects that are getting the axe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , the headline 's wrong .
But not about what got broken .
When did Sun ever make a " commitment to accessibility " ? Here 's what they did have : their perpetual fantasy that they could come up with a desktop that would challenge Windows .
Their latest form of this fantasy was Java Desktop System , which actually has nothing to do with Java .
It 's just a rebranded GNOME , ported to Solaris .
When I was at Sun , Sun Rays running JDS were all over the place , and JDS was heavily pushed at our customers .
Though even within Sun , use of Windows or Mac PCs ( usually laptops ) got more and more pervasive.JDS has to comply with federal accessibility rules , or nobody will buy it .
( Nobody bought it anyway , but that 's another issue .
) So Sun needs GNOME to have good accessibility support .
Presumably that 's why Sun started contributing accessibility development .
That 's how all corporate contributions to OS projects happen    it is n't generosity , it 's the contributor needing the product to do something it does n't already do.I have n't seen any announcement , but it 's to be expected that Oracle will finally put an end to this expensive and futile quest for a Windows-killer .
Which is why you ca n't find JDS anywhere on oracle.com .
( The old JDS page on sun.com redirects to Oracle 's Solaris page .
) If Oracle does n't need JDS , then they do n't need accessibility software.One of many Sun windmill-tilting projects that are getting the axe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, the headline's wrong.
But not about what got broken.
When did Sun ever make a "commitment to accessibility"?Here's what they did have: their perpetual fantasy that they could come up with a desktop that would challenge Windows.
Their latest form of this fantasy was Java Desktop System, which actually has nothing to do with Java.
It's just a rebranded GNOME, ported to Solaris.
When I was at Sun, Sun Rays running JDS were all over the place, and JDS was heavily pushed at our customers.
Though even within Sun, use of Windows or Mac PCs (usually laptops) got more and more pervasive.JDS has to comply with federal accessibility rules, or nobody will buy it.
(Nobody bought it anyway, but that's another issue.
) So Sun needs GNOME to have good accessibility support.
Presumably that's why Sun started contributing accessibility development.
That's how all corporate contributions to OS projects happen — it isn't generosity, it's the contributor needing the product to do something it doesn't already do.I haven't seen any announcement, but it's to be expected that Oracle will finally put an end to this expensive and futile quest for a Windows-killer.
Which is why you can't find JDS anywhere on oracle.com.
(The old JDS page on sun.com redirects to Oracle's Solaris page.
) If Oracle doesn't need JDS, then they don't need accessibility software.One of many Sun windmill-tilting projects that are getting the axe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31072340</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>harmonise</author>
	<datestamp>1265732520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They can't become "uncommitted" or "no longer committed" without either succeeding, or having lied in the first place.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Surely, you mean they did a 'rollback'.</p></div>
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<tokenext>They ca n't become " uncommitted " or " no longer committed " without either succeeding , or having lied in the first place .
Surely , you mean they did a 'rollback' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can't become "uncommitted" or "no longer committed" without either succeeding, or having lied in the first place.
Surely, you mean they did a 'rollback'.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068380</id>
	<title>Re:Bad title</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265645880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be nice if the world was as you described, but in business, it just doesn't hold good. There are no real commitments. The only real commitments are those that you are forced to uphold - not morally obliged to uphold. This is how companies have been doing business for a long time now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be nice if the world was as you described , but in business , it just does n't hold good .
There are no real commitments .
The only real commitments are those that you are forced to uphold - not morally obliged to uphold .
This is how companies have been doing business for a long time now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be nice if the world was as you described, but in business, it just doesn't hold good.
There are no real commitments.
The only real commitments are those that you are forced to uphold - not morally obliged to uphold.
This is how companies have been doing business for a long time now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071790</id>
	<title>Re:If there's a need</title>
	<author>MadcapMac</author>
	<datestamp>1265729640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You had me until your anti-socialist rant.

A.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to be paid to do what you love.  Wanting to get paid != cares ONLY about the money.
B.  The free software movement IS a socialist movement, so I'm not sure what "United Socialist States of America" has to do with anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You had me until your anti-socialist rant .
A. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be paid to do what you love .
Wanting to get paid ! = cares ONLY about the money .
B. The free software movement IS a socialist movement , so I 'm not sure what " United Socialist States of America " has to do with anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You had me until your anti-socialist rant.
A.  There is nothing wrong with wanting to be paid to do what you love.
Wanting to get paid != cares ONLY about the money.
B.  The free software movement IS a socialist movement, so I'm not sure what "United Socialist States of America" has to do with anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071312</id>
	<title>Standard FLOSS answer:</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1265727060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it is open source so stop whining and get busy coding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it is open source so stop whining and get busy coding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it is open source so stop whining and get busy coding.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31078128</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1265710920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OOo does more than enough for the average person. There is no reason to pay for the over priced insecure bloated shit known as Microsoft Office.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OOo does more than enough for the average person .
There is no reason to pay for the over priced insecure bloated shit known as Microsoft Office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OOo does more than enough for the average person.
There is no reason to pay for the over priced insecure bloated shit known as Microsoft Office.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068238</id>
	<title>KDE rejoices?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No offense, but this is just more fuel to the fire of GNOME vs KDE flamewars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No offense , but this is just more fuel to the fire of GNOME vs KDE flamewars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No offense, but this is just more fuel to the fire of GNOME vs KDE flamewars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31071326</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>rwarfield</author>
	<datestamp>1265727180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MySQL Was forked when Sun bought it.  That open source fork still exists</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MySQL Was forked when Sun bought it .
That open source fork still exists</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MySQL Was forked when Sun bought it.
That open source fork still exists</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069216</id>
	<title>I'm reminded of a post by realinvalidname</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1535752&amp;cid=31012464" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">31012464</a> [slashdot.org] </p><p><div class="quote"><p> <tt>
blurb = "The Sun \%s project, which we <a href="\%5C\%25s\%5C" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">mentioned a few years ago</a> [slashdot.org] on Slashdot, is being <a href="\%5C\%25s\%5C" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">shut down</a> [slashdot.org] in the wake of the Oracle acquisition.</tt> </p><p>That should save the editors a little time over the next few weeks as they iterate over every minimally-viable, staff-of-three Sun mini-project that has been terminated by Oracle.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>31012464 [ slashdot.org ] blurb = " The Sun \ % s project , which we mentioned a few years ago [ slashdot.org ] on Slashdot , is being shut down [ slashdot.org ] in the wake of the Oracle acquisition .
That should save the editors a little time over the next few weeks as they iterate over every minimally-viable , staff-of-three Sun mini-project that has been terminated by Oracle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 31012464 [slashdot.org]  
blurb = "The Sun \%s project, which we mentioned a few years ago [slashdot.org] on Slashdot, is being shut down [slashdot.org] in the wake of the Oracle acquisition.
That should save the editors a little time over the next few weeks as they iterate over every minimally-viable, staff-of-three Sun mini-project that has been terminated by Oracle.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069080</id>
	<title>Re:If there's a need</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1265653920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>maybe Oracle doesn't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous "feel good" projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.</i></p><p>Actually, having a extra bunch of good accessibility guys on their payroll would have contributed to their bottom line.  Their decision is rather shortsighted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe Oracle does n't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous " feel good " projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.Actually , having a extra bunch of good accessibility guys on their payroll would have contributed to their bottom line .
Their decision is rather shortsighted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe Oracle doesn't want to go under like Sun did and therefore is canceling frivolous "feel good" projects that add ZERO to their bottom line.Actually, having a extra bunch of good accessibility guys on their payroll would have contributed to their bottom line.
Their decision is rather shortsighted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31070234</id>
	<title>gnome != Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265716740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry folks , but these are NOT "the most important contributors to the Linux accessibility tools. " but just<br>"the most important contributors to the GNOME accessibility tools. "</p><p>GNOME != Linux.<br>There's KDE, XFCE Fluxbox and plenty others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry folks , but these are NOT " the most important contributors to the Linux accessibility tools .
" but just " the most important contributors to the GNOME accessibility tools .
" GNOME ! = Linux.There 's KDE , XFCE Fluxbox and plenty others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry folks , but these are NOT "the most important contributors to the Linux accessibility tools.
" but just"the most important contributors to the GNOME accessibility tools.
"GNOME != Linux.There's KDE, XFCE Fluxbox and plenty others.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069174</id>
	<title>I'm sure Oracle is helping out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By ensuring that the developers in question have more time available to work on open source solutions</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By ensuring that the developers in question have more time available to work on open source solutions</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By ensuring that the developers in question have more time available to work on open source solutions</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31069734</id>
	<title>Re:Capitalism at work...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265708520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also wanting to run an OS which is different from the ones sold by apple and microsoft makes one cheap?</p><p>anyway there is al a theory that all wordprocessors suck, with wich I agree:</p><p>http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also wanting to run an OS which is different from the ones sold by apple and microsoft makes one cheap ? anyway there is al a theory that all wordprocessors suck , with wich I agree : http : //ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/ ~ cottrell/wp.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also wanting to run an OS which is different from the ones sold by apple and microsoft makes one cheap?anyway there is al a theory that all wordprocessors suck, with wich I agree:http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_09_0024241.31068670</id>
	<title>Re:Oracle DB connectors</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1265649120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Just don't try to get to it from SQL Server.  What a nightmare to set up and maintain.  Queries time out, leaving the SQL job thinking it's connected but Oracle is just sitting there, for days on end.  No our SQL timeouts aren't disabled.</p><p>Initial setup was a pain as well.  600MB install to get a handful of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.dlls to make an Oracle.OleDB connection.  The "client lite" installs didn't work one bit - kinda like some random guy putting files in a zip and telling you to put random things in random folders and run an arcane command-line utility to "install" it.  Nope, doesn't work.  600MB here we go.</p><p>Universal installer - holy crap, I can watch it paint itself, like we're back in the days of NT 4 Server on a p233-MMX.  Paint some lines, wait for disk IO, paint some more.  Over MSTSC, the installer repaints each window 3 times.  No other app behaves like that.</p><p>It might be a good database server, but it doesn't like to be connected to anything but itself.  Or maybe we can just say it hates Windows.  Either way, it's the part of the job I hate.  Sure blame me for not being qualified, I was hired as ASP+SQL and they don't let me DBA, nor set aside time for training, and the Oracle drivers are unsupported.  So it's all me fighting the beast.  At least they could declaw it, or feed it before selling it to people so it doesn't immediately eat their souls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just do n't try to get to it from SQL Server .
What a nightmare to set up and maintain .
Queries time out , leaving the SQL job thinking it 's connected but Oracle is just sitting there , for days on end .
No our SQL timeouts are n't disabled.Initial setup was a pain as well .
600MB install to get a handful of .dlls to make an Oracle.OleDB connection .
The " client lite " installs did n't work one bit - kinda like some random guy putting files in a zip and telling you to put random things in random folders and run an arcane command-line utility to " install " it .
Nope , does n't work .
600MB here we go.Universal installer - holy crap , I can watch it paint itself , like we 're back in the days of NT 4 Server on a p233-MMX .
Paint some lines , wait for disk IO , paint some more .
Over MSTSC , the installer repaints each window 3 times .
No other app behaves like that.It might be a good database server , but it does n't like to be connected to anything but itself .
Or maybe we can just say it hates Windows .
Either way , it 's the part of the job I hate .
Sure blame me for not being qualified , I was hired as ASP + SQL and they do n't let me DBA , nor set aside time for training , and the Oracle drivers are unsupported .
So it 's all me fighting the beast .
At least they could declaw it , or feed it before selling it to people so it does n't immediately eat their souls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just don't try to get to it from SQL Server.
What a nightmare to set up and maintain.
Queries time out, leaving the SQL job thinking it's connected but Oracle is just sitting there, for days on end.
No our SQL timeouts aren't disabled.Initial setup was a pain as well.
600MB install to get a handful of .dlls to make an Oracle.OleDB connection.
The "client lite" installs didn't work one bit - kinda like some random guy putting files in a zip and telling you to put random things in random folders and run an arcane command-line utility to "install" it.
Nope, doesn't work.
600MB here we go.Universal installer - holy crap, I can watch it paint itself, like we're back in the days of NT 4 Server on a p233-MMX.
Paint some lines, wait for disk IO, paint some more.
Over MSTSC, the installer repaints each window 3 times.
No other app behaves like that.It might be a good database server, but it doesn't like to be connected to anything but itself.
Or maybe we can just say it hates Windows.
Either way, it's the part of the job I hate.
Sure blame me for not being qualified, I was hired as ASP+SQL and they don't let me DBA, nor set aside time for training, and the Oracle drivers are unsupported.
So it's all me fighting the beast.
At least they could declaw it, or feed it before selling it to people so it doesn't immediately eat their souls.</sentencetext>
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