<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_08_182245</id>
	<title>New Material Transforms Car Bodies Into Batteries</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265621460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>MikeChino writes <i>"As battery manufacturers race to produce more efficient lithium-ion batteries for electric vehicles, some scientists are looking to make the cars themselves a power source. Researchers are currently developing a <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2010/02/08/car-bodies-store-energy/">new auto body material</a> that can store and release electrical energy like a battery. Once perfected, scientists hope the substance will replace standard car bodies, making vehicles up to 15 percent lighter and significantly extending the range of electric vehicles."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>MikeChino writes " As battery manufacturers race to produce more efficient lithium-ion batteries for electric vehicles , some scientists are looking to make the cars themselves a power source .
Researchers are currently developing a new auto body material that can store and release electrical energy like a battery .
Once perfected , scientists hope the substance will replace standard car bodies , making vehicles up to 15 percent lighter and significantly extending the range of electric vehicles .
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<sentencetext>MikeChino writes "As battery manufacturers race to produce more efficient lithium-ion batteries for electric vehicles, some scientists are looking to make the cars themselves a power source.
Researchers are currently developing a new auto body material that can store and release electrical energy like a battery.
Once perfected, scientists hope the substance will replace standard car bodies, making vehicles up to 15 percent lighter and significantly extending the range of electric vehicles.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065476</id>
	<title>Dow 10,000 !!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265625480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc3U0ZkLDjE&amp;feature=player\_embedded" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">1999</a> [youtube.com].</p><p>Yours In Miami,<br>Kilgore Trout</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from 1999 [ youtube.com ] .Yours In Miami,Kilgore Trout</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from 1999 [youtube.com].Yours In Miami,Kilgore Trout</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065692</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1265626200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.</i></p><p>The tech is here.  Modern batteries can rapid charge in minutes (given adequate cooling) and yield hundreds of miles of range.  The issue is cost.  For most EVs, battery packs are generally limited in size by price, not volume or weight. And not just battery cost that's the problem; quality AC drivetrains are expensive as heck right now.  You can't even use a lot of mass-produced accessories with EVs if the conventional accessory requires a gasoline engine to be running.  The good news is that it's all about volume.  Your typical LFP or manganese li-ion pack combined with an AC drivetrain uses almost no rare or expensive raw materials.  You have lithium salts ($4-8/kg), phosphoric acid (in the case of LFP), iron powder, a porous plastic membrane, graphite, etc in the battery pack; your motor optimally uses copper windings, but can also use aluminum; the inverter also uses copper or aluminum, plus things like silicon carbide for thyristors; etc.  The expenses are primarily the huge amounts of labor and capital costs per unit because of very low volumes and because of the lack of production process refinement.</p><p>BTW, the article summary is wrong (and partly the article, too).  What they're talking about is not a battery; it's a capacitor.  Which means that even if the whole body is made of the stuff, it's not going to be enough energy capacity for reasonable range.  Plus, you have to consider how it'll change your vehicle's weight, structural strength, etc.  There is always a cost-benefit analysis to consider.</p><p>Still, it could potentially be useful for making less-critical structural elements (say, the bellypan) to use for buffering (rather than energy storage).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.The tech is here .
Modern batteries can rapid charge in minutes ( given adequate cooling ) and yield hundreds of miles of range .
The issue is cost .
For most EVs , battery packs are generally limited in size by price , not volume or weight .
And not just battery cost that 's the problem ; quality AC drivetrains are expensive as heck right now .
You ca n't even use a lot of mass-produced accessories with EVs if the conventional accessory requires a gasoline engine to be running .
The good news is that it 's all about volume .
Your typical LFP or manganese li-ion pack combined with an AC drivetrain uses almost no rare or expensive raw materials .
You have lithium salts ( $ 4-8/kg ) , phosphoric acid ( in the case of LFP ) , iron powder , a porous plastic membrane , graphite , etc in the battery pack ; your motor optimally uses copper windings , but can also use aluminum ; the inverter also uses copper or aluminum , plus things like silicon carbide for thyristors ; etc .
The expenses are primarily the huge amounts of labor and capital costs per unit because of very low volumes and because of the lack of production process refinement.BTW , the article summary is wrong ( and partly the article , too ) .
What they 're talking about is not a battery ; it 's a capacitor .
Which means that even if the whole body is made of the stuff , it 's not going to be enough energy capacity for reasonable range .
Plus , you have to consider how it 'll change your vehicle 's weight , structural strength , etc .
There is always a cost-benefit analysis to consider.Still , it could potentially be useful for making less-critical structural elements ( say , the bellypan ) to use for buffering ( rather than energy storage ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.The tech is here.
Modern batteries can rapid charge in minutes (given adequate cooling) and yield hundreds of miles of range.
The issue is cost.
For most EVs, battery packs are generally limited in size by price, not volume or weight.
And not just battery cost that's the problem; quality AC drivetrains are expensive as heck right now.
You can't even use a lot of mass-produced accessories with EVs if the conventional accessory requires a gasoline engine to be running.
The good news is that it's all about volume.
Your typical LFP or manganese li-ion pack combined with an AC drivetrain uses almost no rare or expensive raw materials.
You have lithium salts ($4-8/kg), phosphoric acid (in the case of LFP), iron powder, a porous plastic membrane, graphite, etc in the battery pack; your motor optimally uses copper windings, but can also use aluminum; the inverter also uses copper or aluminum, plus things like silicon carbide for thyristors; etc.
The expenses are primarily the huge amounts of labor and capital costs per unit because of very low volumes and because of the lack of production process refinement.BTW, the article summary is wrong (and partly the article, too).
What they're talking about is not a battery; it's a capacitor.
Which means that even if the whole body is made of the stuff, it's not going to be enough energy capacity for reasonable range.
Plus, you have to consider how it'll change your vehicle's weight, structural strength, etc.
There is always a cost-benefit analysis to consider.Still, it could potentially be useful for making less-critical structural elements (say, the bellypan) to use for buffering (rather than energy storage).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066726</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265630700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an engineer, it is my JOB to think of reasons why something might not work, not to blindly accept the claims of scientists desperate to receive continued funding. I'm skeptical of claims about the Moller SkyCar too; "smart" people have been working on that for over 30 years. That doesn't mean it is not a scam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an engineer , it is my JOB to think of reasons why something might not work , not to blindly accept the claims of scientists desperate to receive continued funding .
I 'm skeptical of claims about the Moller SkyCar too ; " smart " people have been working on that for over 30 years .
That does n't mean it is not a scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an engineer, it is my JOB to think of reasons why something might not work, not to blindly accept the claims of scientists desperate to receive continued funding.
I'm skeptical of claims about the Moller SkyCar too; "smart" people have been working on that for over 30 years.
That doesn't mean it is not a scam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068788</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Eclipse-now</author>
	<datestamp>1265650440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No no no! These are not real objections when the company sells you the car, but maintains ownership of the battery! "Physical labor" of swapping batteries? Are you serious? Don't tell me you haven't seen the Better Place battery swap automated station? <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/13/video-better-places-automated-electric-vehicle-battery-switch/" title="engadget.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/13/video-better-places-automated-electric-vehicle-battery-switch/</a> [engadget.com]  <br> <br>It sounds like you need to spend some time here.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better\_Place" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better\_Place</a> [wikipedia.org] Just like in the "olden days" the King's messenger didn't wait overnight for the horses to rest &amp; recharge their 'batteries', but swapped them out, Better Place has come up with the battery standards that are so good Tokyo is trialling TAXIS out on this Battery-swap system, and they'll NEVER get a chance to just sit still and charge for 8 hours! I can't believe there are slashdotters that don't know about Better Place, especially when HSBC just invested $350 million in Better Place and the CEO is all over "The Economist" podcast. They're coming to San Francisco, Hawaii, Tokyo, Canberra... and at a price / km at about half the price of oil, it's simply going to CHANGE THE WORLD people!</htmltext>
<tokenext>No no no !
These are not real objections when the company sells you the car , but maintains ownership of the battery !
" Physical labor " of swapping batteries ?
Are you serious ?
Do n't tell me you have n't seen the Better Place battery swap automated station ?
http : //www.engadget.com/2009/05/13/video-better-places-automated-electric-vehicle-battery-switch/ [ engadget.com ] It sounds like you need to spend some time here .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better \ _Place [ wikipedia.org ] Just like in the " olden days " the King 's messenger did n't wait overnight for the horses to rest &amp; recharge their 'batteries ' , but swapped them out , Better Place has come up with the battery standards that are so good Tokyo is trialling TAXIS out on this Battery-swap system , and they 'll NEVER get a chance to just sit still and charge for 8 hours !
I ca n't believe there are slashdotters that do n't know about Better Place , especially when HSBC just invested $ 350 million in Better Place and the CEO is all over " The Economist " podcast .
They 're coming to San Francisco , Hawaii , Tokyo , Canberra... and at a price / km at about half the price of oil , it 's simply going to CHANGE THE WORLD people !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No no no!
These are not real objections when the company sells you the car, but maintains ownership of the battery!
"Physical labor" of swapping batteries?
Are you serious?
Don't tell me you haven't seen the Better Place battery swap automated station?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/13/video-better-places-automated-electric-vehicle-battery-switch/ [engadget.com]   It sounds like you need to spend some time here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better\_Place [wikipedia.org] Just like in the "olden days" the King's messenger didn't wait overnight for the horses to rest &amp; recharge their 'batteries', but swapped them out, Better Place has come up with the battery standards that are so good Tokyo is trialling TAXIS out on this Battery-swap system, and they'll NEVER get a chance to just sit still and charge for 8 hours!
I can't believe there are slashdotters that don't know about Better Place, especially when HSBC just invested $350 million in Better Place and the CEO is all over "The Economist" podcast.
They're coming to San Francisco, Hawaii, Tokyo, Canberra... and at a price / km at about half the price of oil, it's simply going to CHANGE THE WORLD people!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066642</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265630280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Definitely.<br>Not only the concept is flawed, it is also full of omissions.<br>The materials needed to build the energy-storing panels would weight approximately the same as the non-energy-storing panels plus independent storage units if the mechanical properties are to be preserved. So there's no weight savings nor improved range, in addition to not going to work.<br>I'm an optimistic when it relates wo the future of electric cars and battery tech, but this is just a distraction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely.Not only the concept is flawed , it is also full of omissions.The materials needed to build the energy-storing panels would weight approximately the same as the non-energy-storing panels plus independent storage units if the mechanical properties are to be preserved .
So there 's no weight savings nor improved range , in addition to not going to work.I 'm an optimistic when it relates wo the future of electric cars and battery tech , but this is just a distraction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely.Not only the concept is flawed, it is also full of omissions.The materials needed to build the energy-storing panels would weight approximately the same as the non-energy-storing panels plus independent storage units if the mechanical properties are to be preserved.
So there's no weight savings nor improved range, in addition to not going to work.I'm an optimistic when it relates wo the future of electric cars and battery tech, but this is just a distraction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065880</id>
	<title>Safety?</title>
	<author>zookeeperme</author>
	<datestamp>1265626920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How well is this going to protect me when John Q. Redneck ploughs into me with his mid-90s pick-up truck?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How well is this going to protect me when John Q. Redneck ploughs into me with his mid-90s pick-up truck ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How well is this going to protect me when John Q. Redneck ploughs into me with his mid-90s pick-up truck?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067958</id>
	<title>Reactive armor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265640720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If lithium ion batteries are prone to explode on impact, why not just make the car body out of them?  You get power storage plus reactive armor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If lithium ion batteries are prone to explode on impact , why not just make the car body out of them ?
You get power storage plus reactive armor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If lithium ion batteries are prone to explode on impact, why not just make the car body out of them?
You get power storage plus reactive armor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066258</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1265628600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You remember the story about someone wanting to power a car off of hydrogen that is produced by burning magnesium in water?</p><p>Some ideas are just so stupid that they are put on the main page for us to poop on them.</p><p>Why is this one stupid?</p><p>Cost is first, this is built on top of carbon fiber which is already pretty damn expensive without also turning it into a battery.  Yea, one day they may bring the cost down, but it is not in the reasonable future.</p><p>Kaboom is second.  Its not just about energy storage, its about where you store the energy.  With electric powered cars and petrol powered cars the energy is stored in a safe spot in the car, the body of the car is about as unsafe as you can get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You remember the story about someone wanting to power a car off of hydrogen that is produced by burning magnesium in water ? Some ideas are just so stupid that they are put on the main page for us to poop on them.Why is this one stupid ? Cost is first , this is built on top of carbon fiber which is already pretty damn expensive without also turning it into a battery .
Yea , one day they may bring the cost down , but it is not in the reasonable future.Kaboom is second .
Its not just about energy storage , its about where you store the energy .
With electric powered cars and petrol powered cars the energy is stored in a safe spot in the car , the body of the car is about as unsafe as you can get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You remember the story about someone wanting to power a car off of hydrogen that is produced by burning magnesium in water?Some ideas are just so stupid that they are put on the main page for us to poop on them.Why is this one stupid?Cost is first, this is built on top of carbon fiber which is already pretty damn expensive without also turning it into a battery.
Yea, one day they may bring the cost down, but it is not in the reasonable future.Kaboom is second.
Its not just about energy storage, its about where you store the energy.
With electric powered cars and petrol powered cars the energy is stored in a safe spot in the car, the body of the car is about as unsafe as you can get.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066220</id>
	<title>It's a capcitor!</title>
	<author>reg106</author>
	<datestamp>1265628360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The device is a capacitor that can also support mechanical load.  The first hint is that they call it energy storage, but never actually call it a battery (though it may "replace a battery").  In the linked video, they are using a custom device (indicated by the Imperial College in the upper left), that is also labeled as capacitor charge-discharge indicator.  The storage device appears to be two sheets of carbon fiber mesh held together with a "multifunctional resin", i.e. a nonconductive material with a high dielectric constant that is also capable of supporting a large mechanical load (or rather, binding to the carbon fiber so that it supports a large mechanical load, i.e. a composite).  The idea of using ultracapacitors to replace batteries has been around for a long while.  Ultracapactiors usually use esoteric materials and have problems with leakage over long periods of time, but have met with success in some applications.  The military has funded a lot of research for ultracapacitors to replace batteries for the electronics on missiles, an ideal application since missiles potentially sit on the shelf for years, and then need to function precisely for a very short period of time.  (the cap would be charged as part of the launch procedure.) <br> <br>
In the example mentioned in the video (GPS case made of the material), I'm not sure why it would reduce wiring, since the capacitor would still need to be charged, just as if it were being fed by the cars electrical system.  I suspect there are some real advances in the work, but the interesting features don't come through in this video for public consumption.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The device is a capacitor that can also support mechanical load .
The first hint is that they call it energy storage , but never actually call it a battery ( though it may " replace a battery " ) .
In the linked video , they are using a custom device ( indicated by the Imperial College in the upper left ) , that is also labeled as capacitor charge-discharge indicator .
The storage device appears to be two sheets of carbon fiber mesh held together with a " multifunctional resin " , i.e .
a nonconductive material with a high dielectric constant that is also capable of supporting a large mechanical load ( or rather , binding to the carbon fiber so that it supports a large mechanical load , i.e .
a composite ) .
The idea of using ultracapacitors to replace batteries has been around for a long while .
Ultracapactiors usually use esoteric materials and have problems with leakage over long periods of time , but have met with success in some applications .
The military has funded a lot of research for ultracapacitors to replace batteries for the electronics on missiles , an ideal application since missiles potentially sit on the shelf for years , and then need to function precisely for a very short period of time .
( the cap would be charged as part of the launch procedure .
) In the example mentioned in the video ( GPS case made of the material ) , I 'm not sure why it would reduce wiring , since the capacitor would still need to be charged , just as if it were being fed by the cars electrical system .
I suspect there are some real advances in the work , but the interesting features do n't come through in this video for public consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The device is a capacitor that can also support mechanical load.
The first hint is that they call it energy storage, but never actually call it a battery (though it may "replace a battery").
In the linked video, they are using a custom device (indicated by the Imperial College in the upper left), that is also labeled as capacitor charge-discharge indicator.
The storage device appears to be two sheets of carbon fiber mesh held together with a "multifunctional resin", i.e.
a nonconductive material with a high dielectric constant that is also capable of supporting a large mechanical load (or rather, binding to the carbon fiber so that it supports a large mechanical load, i.e.
a composite).
The idea of using ultracapacitors to replace batteries has been around for a long while.
Ultracapactiors usually use esoteric materials and have problems with leakage over long periods of time, but have met with success in some applications.
The military has funded a lot of research for ultracapacitors to replace batteries for the electronics on missiles, an ideal application since missiles potentially sit on the shelf for years, and then need to function precisely for a very short period of time.
(the cap would be charged as part of the launch procedure.
)  
In the example mentioned in the video (GPS case made of the material), I'm not sure why it would reduce wiring, since the capacitor would still need to be charged, just as if it were being fed by the cars electrical system.
I suspect there are some real advances in the work, but the interesting features don't come through in this video for public consumption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066516</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>rdavidson3</author>
	<datestamp>1265629680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand... can you provide a car analogy for me?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand... can you provide a car analogy for me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand... can you provide a car analogy for me?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065706</id>
	<title>Re:Problem with that</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1265626260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think even Mr. Tesla would have had trouble with this really...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think even Mr. Tesla would have had trouble with this really.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think even Mr. Tesla would have had trouble with this really...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066786</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265631000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The good news is that it's all about volume.</i> No, that's the bad news. While normally costs would go down with increased volume, there is a limited supply of Lithium and other elements used in these batteries. Meaning that if we tried to make every car fully electric, the marginal cost of each battery would go up, not down.<br> <br>I agree, the small amount of energy that could be stored in these panels would only be useful for a hybrid vehicle; it would not appreciably increase the range of a pure electric vehicle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The good news is that it 's all about volume .
No , that 's the bad news .
While normally costs would go down with increased volume , there is a limited supply of Lithium and other elements used in these batteries .
Meaning that if we tried to make every car fully electric , the marginal cost of each battery would go up , not down .
I agree , the small amount of energy that could be stored in these panels would only be useful for a hybrid vehicle ; it would not appreciably increase the range of a pure electric vehicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The good news is that it's all about volume.
No, that's the bad news.
While normally costs would go down with increased volume, there is a limited supply of Lithium and other elements used in these batteries.
Meaning that if we tried to make every car fully electric, the marginal cost of each battery would go up, not down.
I agree, the small amount of energy that could be stored in these panels would only be useful for a hybrid vehicle; it would not appreciably increase the range of a pure electric vehicle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065394</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>2names</author>
	<datestamp>1265625180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066210</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>mweather</author>
	<datestamp>1265628360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Electric is good for basic commuting where the route will be basically the same day after day, it is not good for if you do not know how far you will drive a day. Although the long recharge time is part of it, the main part is that you do not want to buy more battery than you are going to be using since the battery will be one of the most expensive parts of the car.</p></div><p>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations? Then the only range that matters is the distance to the next service station.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Electric is good for basic commuting where the route will be basically the same day after day , it is not good for if you do not know how far you will drive a day .
Although the long recharge time is part of it , the main part is that you do not want to buy more battery than you are going to be using since the battery will be one of the most expensive parts of the car.Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations ?
Then the only range that matters is the distance to the next service station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Electric is good for basic commuting where the route will be basically the same day after day, it is not good for if you do not know how far you will drive a day.
Although the long recharge time is part of it, the main part is that you do not want to buy more battery than you are going to be using since the battery will be one of the most expensive parts of the car.Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations?
Then the only range that matters is the distance to the next service station.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065510</id>
	<title>Lighter is not always a good thing.</title>
	<author>InsaneProcessor</author>
	<datestamp>1265625540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>making vehicles up to 15 percent lighter</i>"<br>There is now a 35\% better chance of a fatality in an accident.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" making vehicles up to 15 percent lighter " There is now a 35 \ % better chance of a fatality in an accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"making vehicles up to 15 percent lighter"There is now a 35\% better chance of a fatality in an accident.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068352</id>
	<title>Prior art</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1265645400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My car has been oxidizing for years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My car has been oxidizing for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My car has been oxidizing for years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065876</id>
	<title>Re:Can't Wait.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As if most cars weren't already loaded with a volatile substance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As if most cars were n't already loaded with a volatile substance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As if most cars weren't already loaded with a volatile substance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068488</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Rakshasa Taisab</author>
	<datestamp>1265647140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story\_id=15464481" title="economist.com">http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story\_id=15464481</a> [economist.com] </p><p>We have computers that can keep track of those variables, and what lacks then is just a business model. And the one that is being invested heavily in (above link) is that of renting the batteries, while owning the car.</p><p>Swapping out the batteries is faster (according to the live tests) than filling your tank. You won't get any duds as they will likely be caught during charging at the station, and even if it were to happen you can just exchange it later. (It's rented, after all)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm ? story \ _id = 15464481 [ economist.com ] We have computers that can keep track of those variables , and what lacks then is just a business model .
And the one that is being invested heavily in ( above link ) is that of renting the batteries , while owning the car.Swapping out the batteries is faster ( according to the live tests ) than filling your tank .
You wo n't get any duds as they will likely be caught during charging at the station , and even if it were to happen you can just exchange it later .
( It 's rented , after all )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story\_id=15464481 [economist.com] We have computers that can keep track of those variables, and what lacks then is just a business model.
And the one that is being invested heavily in (above link) is that of renting the batteries, while owning the car.Swapping out the batteries is faster (according to the live tests) than filling your tank.
You won't get any duds as they will likely be caught during charging at the station, and even if it were to happen you can just exchange it later.
(It's rented, after all)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067190</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>gr8\_phk</author>
	<datestamp>1265633580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, I write traction motor control software for a living. I'm a little more qualified to talk about electric vehicle tech than some Ph.D. trying to get grant money. The funny thing about slashdot is that it's a mix of total morons and highly competent people. In this instance, it doesn't take much competence to see the flaws.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I write traction motor control software for a living .
I 'm a little more qualified to talk about electric vehicle tech than some Ph.D. trying to get grant money .
The funny thing about slashdot is that it 's a mix of total morons and highly competent people .
In this instance , it does n't take much competence to see the flaws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I write traction motor control software for a living.
I'm a little more qualified to talk about electric vehicle tech than some Ph.D. trying to get grant money.
The funny thing about slashdot is that it's a mix of total morons and highly competent people.
In this instance, it doesn't take much competence to see the flaws.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065736</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067494</id>
	<title>Re:Lighter is not always a good thing.</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1265635860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh, the problem is not the lightweight vehicles. The problem is the HEAVY ones.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , the problem is not the lightweight vehicles .
The problem is the HEAVY ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, the problem is not the lightweight vehicles.
The problem is the HEAVY ones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065510</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066420</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1265629260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations?</p> </div><p>Too many variables.  How much charge is in the current battery, how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave, what happens when you get a partial dud, how many batteries can be swapped out a day, the physical labor of swapping batteries, what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.</p><p>I thought it would be a smart idea to change out the electrolyte instead of the whole battery, but it wasn't actually all that smart either.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations ?
Too many variables .
How much charge is in the current battery , how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave , what happens when you get a partial dud , how many batteries can be swapped out a day , the physical labor of swapping batteries , what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.I thought it would be a smart idea to change out the electrolyte instead of the whole battery , but it was n't actually all that smart either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations?
Too many variables.
How much charge is in the current battery, how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave, what happens when you get a partial dud, how many batteries can be swapped out a day, the physical labor of swapping batteries, what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.I thought it would be a smart idea to change out the electrolyte instead of the whole battery, but it wasn't actually all that smart either.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066210</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065730</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>PetiePooo</author>
	<datestamp>1265626320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up.  From the short, non-technical video blurb, it sounds like a capacitor, not a battery.

<br> <br>Puncture a lead-acid battery, and you've got an acid spill.  Puncture a charged capacitor, and you've got fireworks!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up .
From the short , non-technical video blurb , it sounds like a capacitor , not a battery .
Puncture a lead-acid battery , and you 've got an acid spill .
Puncture a charged capacitor , and you 've got fireworks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up.
From the short, non-technical video blurb, it sounds like a capacitor, not a battery.
Puncture a lead-acid battery, and you've got an acid spill.
Puncture a charged capacitor, and you've got fireworks!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066266</id>
	<title>Could make life hard for the fire service.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265628600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off... IAAFF.<br>This should make vehicular extrication after a crash *interesting*.<br>I can't wait to cut into the A post (front roof supporting structural member) and have it  hit me with 200+ VDC!<br>Hopefully they figure out some safety measures for this one before putting it into action.<br>Hybrids are exciting enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off... IAAFF.This should make vehicular extrication after a crash * interesting * .I ca n't wait to cut into the A post ( front roof supporting structural member ) and have it hit me with 200 + VDC ! Hopefully they figure out some safety measures for this one before putting it into action.Hybrids are exciting enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off... IAAFF.This should make vehicular extrication after a crash *interesting*.I can't wait to cut into the A post (front roof supporting structural member) and have it  hit me with 200+ VDC!Hopefully they figure out some safety measures for this one before putting it into action.Hybrids are exciting enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065440</id>
	<title>The new material?  DiHydrogen Monoxide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265625360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Step 1: Fill the cars with DiHydrogen Monoxide<br>Step 2: Hoist the car several meters in the air<br>Step 3: Place a paddlewheel connected to generator underneath<br>Step 4: Open the car door<br>Step 5:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>Step 6: Profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Step 1 : Fill the cars with DiHydrogen MonoxideStep 2 : Hoist the car several meters in the airStep 3 : Place a paddlewheel connected to generator underneathStep 4 : Open the car doorStep 5 : ...Step 6 : Profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Step 1: Fill the cars with DiHydrogen MonoxideStep 2: Hoist the car several meters in the airStep 3: Place a paddlewheel connected to generator underneathStep 4: Open the car doorStep 5: ...Step 6: Profit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066654</id>
	<title>Re:neat idea</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265630280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not worried about electrical shock as much as the first fender-bender to ding one of the panels turning it into an arc welder. This is also a step backwards from unibody construction; any components designed for storing energy would have to be made from easily replaceable panels.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not worried about electrical shock as much as the first fender-bender to ding one of the panels turning it into an arc welder .
This is also a step backwards from unibody construction ; any components designed for storing energy would have to be made from easily replaceable panels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not worried about electrical shock as much as the first fender-bender to ding one of the panels turning it into an arc welder.
This is also a step backwards from unibody construction; any components designed for storing energy would have to be made from easily replaceable panels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065866</id>
	<title>premature discharge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem I can't even fathom how to solve is the premature discharge problem, imagine the insulator being worn by vibration between the two panels or an accident.  To make it safe the panels would need to be divided into cells that have 1 V max, how the hell do you divide up a solid panel into so many small pieces cheaply.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem I ca n't even fathom how to solve is the premature discharge problem , imagine the insulator being worn by vibration between the two panels or an accident .
To make it safe the panels would need to be divided into cells that have 1 V max , how the hell do you divide up a solid panel into so many small pieces cheaply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem I can't even fathom how to solve is the premature discharge problem, imagine the insulator being worn by vibration between the two panels or an accident.
To make it safe the panels would need to be divided into cells that have 1 V max, how the hell do you divide up a solid panel into so many small pieces cheaply.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065684</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even once they do perfect the electric car I would imagine there is no getting rid of the internal combustion engine.</p><p>Diesel powered vehicles will slowly turn to bio-diesel options and gasoline powered engines will slowly turn to ethanol power.</p><p>Electric is good for basic commuting where the route will be basically the same day after day, it is not good for if you do not know how far you will drive a day.  Although the long recharge time is part of it, the main part is that you do not want to buy more battery than you are going to be using since the battery will be one of the most expensive parts of the car.</p><p>A larger gas tank costs almost nothing.  The infrastructure is already in place for bio-diesel and ethanol and most cars can be converted.  Electric cars will fill a niche, and that is all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even once they do perfect the electric car I would imagine there is no getting rid of the internal combustion engine.Diesel powered vehicles will slowly turn to bio-diesel options and gasoline powered engines will slowly turn to ethanol power.Electric is good for basic commuting where the route will be basically the same day after day , it is not good for if you do not know how far you will drive a day .
Although the long recharge time is part of it , the main part is that you do not want to buy more battery than you are going to be using since the battery will be one of the most expensive parts of the car.A larger gas tank costs almost nothing .
The infrastructure is already in place for bio-diesel and ethanol and most cars can be converted .
Electric cars will fill a niche , and that is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even once they do perfect the electric car I would imagine there is no getting rid of the internal combustion engine.Diesel powered vehicles will slowly turn to bio-diesel options and gasoline powered engines will slowly turn to ethanol power.Electric is good for basic commuting where the route will be basically the same day after day, it is not good for if you do not know how far you will drive a day.
Although the long recharge time is part of it, the main part is that you do not want to buy more battery than you are going to be using since the battery will be one of the most expensive parts of the car.A larger gas tank costs almost nothing.
The infrastructure is already in place for bio-diesel and ethanol and most cars can be converted.
Electric cars will fill a niche, and that is all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065974</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>zero\_out</author>
	<datestamp>1265627340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm mostly annoyed with the smoke belching drivers.  At least I don't have to worry about smokers on subway platforms anymore, but I still get naseous when the smell of someone holding a cigarette out of their window starts wafting in through my heater/AC.</p><p>Then again, if the cigarette smoke is coming into my car, maybe I should worry about their exhaust too...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm mostly annoyed with the smoke belching drivers .
At least I do n't have to worry about smokers on subway platforms anymore , but I still get naseous when the smell of someone holding a cigarette out of their window starts wafting in through my heater/AC.Then again , if the cigarette smoke is coming into my car , maybe I should worry about their exhaust too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm mostly annoyed with the smoke belching drivers.
At least I don't have to worry about smokers on subway platforms anymore, but I still get naseous when the smell of someone holding a cigarette out of their window starts wafting in through my heater/AC.Then again, if the cigarette smoke is coming into my car, maybe I should worry about their exhaust too...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066696</id>
	<title>and also..</title>
	<author>greywire</author>
	<datestamp>1265630520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets slap a layer of solar collecting material onto this and grab some more power too.</p><p>One thing that occurs to me though.  What happens if you get in an accident and the material is compromised?  Would there be a potential electrocution issue?</p><p>Maybe you could also build security into this.. if you break in, the body zaps you..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets slap a layer of solar collecting material onto this and grab some more power too.One thing that occurs to me though .
What happens if you get in an accident and the material is compromised ?
Would there be a potential electrocution issue ? Maybe you could also build security into this.. if you break in , the body zaps you. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets slap a layer of solar collecting material onto this and grab some more power too.One thing that occurs to me though.
What happens if you get in an accident and the material is compromised?
Would there be a potential electrocution issue?Maybe you could also build security into this.. if you break in, the body zaps you..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066760</id>
	<title>Re:neat idea</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1265630880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would say there is a real and present danger of shock when your battery is you vehicle skin.  I've seen a lot of cars with puncture damage.  Puncturing such a charged sheet, be it battery or capacitor, would result in rapid, high-amperage discharge.  This would cause melting and vaporization of the material, releasing toxic vapors and probably starting the whole vehicle on fire.  Adjacent panels, when exposed to the radiant heat and spattering molten metal, would have a high likelihood of melting their insulating layers and shorting as well.  I don't really want to be sitting inside a 100 kilowatt-hour battery when it self-discharges over a matter of seconds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say there is a real and present danger of shock when your battery is you vehicle skin .
I 've seen a lot of cars with puncture damage .
Puncturing such a charged sheet , be it battery or capacitor , would result in rapid , high-amperage discharge .
This would cause melting and vaporization of the material , releasing toxic vapors and probably starting the whole vehicle on fire .
Adjacent panels , when exposed to the radiant heat and spattering molten metal , would have a high likelihood of melting their insulating layers and shorting as well .
I do n't really want to be sitting inside a 100 kilowatt-hour battery when it self-discharges over a matter of seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say there is a real and present danger of shock when your battery is you vehicle skin.
I've seen a lot of cars with puncture damage.
Puncturing such a charged sheet, be it battery or capacitor, would result in rapid, high-amperage discharge.
This would cause melting and vaporization of the material, releasing toxic vapors and probably starting the whole vehicle on fire.
Adjacent panels, when exposed to the radiant heat and spattering molten metal, would have a high likelihood of melting their insulating layers and shorting as well.
I don't really want to be sitting inside a 100 kilowatt-hour battery when it self-discharges over a matter of seconds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067880</id>
	<title>Megatron is pleased!</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1265639880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As they can round up the autobots (especially that prick bumblebee) and convert them directly into energon cubes!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As they can round up the autobots ( especially that prick bumblebee ) and convert them directly into energon cubes ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As they can round up the autobots (especially that prick bumblebee) and convert them directly into energon cubes!!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066686</id>
	<title>Idea...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1265630460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well... I can see that being done.</p><p>If we are talking industrial production, that should be no different than making large quantities of PCBs. Only with somewhat simpler design.<br>Just print the thin layer of the conductor mesh over both sides of the insulator (preferably something foldable like fabric), cut it into shape, cut out the now "open" pieces (easy with an automated optical/electric/magnetic/Chinese system - take your pick) and reconnect where needed, isolate the whole thing on both sides.<br>There. You have your large, cheap, foldable sheet of capacitive fabric made out of many small pieces in a parallel connection.</p><p>You still have the problem of a bunch of big fuckin capacitors roaming the streets just waiting for a fender bender to turn into big balls of lightning.</p><p>On a plus side - no one will ever key your brand new paint job.<br>Or at least it will be easy to identify the perpetrator as he/she will be found right next to the car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... I can see that being done.If we are talking industrial production , that should be no different than making large quantities of PCBs .
Only with somewhat simpler design.Just print the thin layer of the conductor mesh over both sides of the insulator ( preferably something foldable like fabric ) , cut it into shape , cut out the now " open " pieces ( easy with an automated optical/electric/magnetic/Chinese system - take your pick ) and reconnect where needed , isolate the whole thing on both sides.There .
You have your large , cheap , foldable sheet of capacitive fabric made out of many small pieces in a parallel connection.You still have the problem of a bunch of big fuckin capacitors roaming the streets just waiting for a fender bender to turn into big balls of lightning.On a plus side - no one will ever key your brand new paint job.Or at least it will be easy to identify the perpetrator as he/she will be found right next to the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... I can see that being done.If we are talking industrial production, that should be no different than making large quantities of PCBs.
Only with somewhat simpler design.Just print the thin layer of the conductor mesh over both sides of the insulator (preferably something foldable like fabric), cut it into shape, cut out the now "open" pieces (easy with an automated optical/electric/magnetic/Chinese system - take your pick) and reconnect where needed, isolate the whole thing on both sides.There.
You have your large, cheap, foldable sheet of capacitive fabric made out of many small pieces in a parallel connection.You still have the problem of a bunch of big fuckin capacitors roaming the streets just waiting for a fender bender to turn into big balls of lightning.On a plus side - no one will ever key your brand new paint job.Or at least it will be easy to identify the perpetrator as he/she will be found right next to the car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067848</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265639580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.</p></div><p>Speak for yourself. Diesel doesn't even burn that easily without high pressure, let alone explode.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then again , we 're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there 's not much left to lose.Speak for yourself .
Diesel does n't even burn that easily without high pressure , let alone explode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.Speak for yourself.
Diesel doesn't even burn that easily without high pressure, let alone explode.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065776</id>
	<title>Link to original article</title>
	<author>chinmay7</author>
	<datestamp>1265626440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do I have to click through two blogs with fluff to reach the original article on PhysOrg? - <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news184585514.html" title="physorg.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.physorg.com/news184585514.html</a> [physorg.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do I have to click through two blogs with fluff to reach the original article on PhysOrg ?
- http : //www.physorg.com/news184585514.html [ physorg.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do I have to click through two blogs with fluff to reach the original article on PhysOrg?
- http://www.physorg.com/news184585514.html [physorg.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065874</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Architect\_sasyr</author>
	<datestamp>1265626860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A larger gas tank costs almost nothing. The infrastructure is already in place for bio-diesel and ethanol and most cars can be converted. Electric cars will fill a niche, and that is all.</p></div><p>Grazing costs almost nothing. The infrastructure is already in place for pasture and oats, and most horses can pull a cart just fine. The aw-toe-mo-beel will fill a nice, and that is all.<br> <br>Sometimes, for no reason at all (!!), some things just become huge. The car was reliant on reliable and obtainable fuel, and roads, and the world dealt with them just fine - I don't see why, when the option becomes viable and enough of the group-think follows it, electric cars will not follow the way of their predecessors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A larger gas tank costs almost nothing .
The infrastructure is already in place for bio-diesel and ethanol and most cars can be converted .
Electric cars will fill a niche , and that is all.Grazing costs almost nothing .
The infrastructure is already in place for pasture and oats , and most horses can pull a cart just fine .
The aw-toe-mo-beel will fill a nice , and that is all .
Sometimes , for no reason at all ( ! !
) , some things just become huge .
The car was reliant on reliable and obtainable fuel , and roads , and the world dealt with them just fine - I do n't see why , when the option becomes viable and enough of the group-think follows it , electric cars will not follow the way of their predecessors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A larger gas tank costs almost nothing.
The infrastructure is already in place for bio-diesel and ethanol and most cars can be converted.
Electric cars will fill a niche, and that is all.Grazing costs almost nothing.
The infrastructure is already in place for pasture and oats, and most horses can pull a cart just fine.
The aw-toe-mo-beel will fill a nice, and that is all.
Sometimes, for no reason at all (!!
), some things just become huge.
The car was reliant on reliable and obtainable fuel, and roads, and the world dealt with them just fine - I don't see why, when the option becomes viable and enough of the group-think follows it, electric cars will not follow the way of their predecessors.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31095128</id>
	<title>Re:Bonus</title>
	<author>517714</author>
	<datestamp>1265041260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Currently?  Currently?  Really?  God, how I hate puns!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently ?
Currently ? Really ?
God , how I hate puns !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently?
Currently?  Really?
God, how I hate puns!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065888</id>
	<title>Re:Can't Wait.</title>
	<author>Adriax</author>
	<datestamp>1265626920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Accidents will be bad, but it will also cut down on the number of ricers out there. Darwin at work, lets see those lil shits drill mout holes into the charged capacitor that is their car's body.<br>They'll get a lovely blue light. Blue-white actually, and only for the split second that the rest of their lives entail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Accidents will be bad , but it will also cut down on the number of ricers out there .
Darwin at work , lets see those lil shits drill mout holes into the charged capacitor that is their car 's body.They 'll get a lovely blue light .
Blue-white actually , and only for the split second that the rest of their lives entail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Accidents will be bad, but it will also cut down on the number of ricers out there.
Darwin at work, lets see those lil shits drill mout holes into the charged capacitor that is their car's body.They'll get a lovely blue light.
Blue-white actually, and only for the split second that the rest of their lives entail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066998</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Loconut1389</author>
	<datestamp>1265632080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've got a $70,000 Lexus, you pull into the fill up station to pick up the batteries which were just in a demolition derby or a drive by shooting. I don't mean to imply that because you have a more expensive car you deserve better condition batteries, but it is more likely that you treat your batteries well than someone with an older junker. Unless all batteries are picked up by a truck and replaced with charged+inspected before reuse, there is a certain inequality that may leave you stranded when your abused battery dies, ruptures, etc. Personally, I drive a car with a value under $3,000 at the moment, but even then I know I treat my car better than a lot of other people. It's sort of the same reason I don't like propane cylinder exchanges- you get the grimey rusted tanks for your brand new shiny one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've got a $ 70,000 Lexus , you pull into the fill up station to pick up the batteries which were just in a demolition derby or a drive by shooting .
I do n't mean to imply that because you have a more expensive car you deserve better condition batteries , but it is more likely that you treat your batteries well than someone with an older junker .
Unless all batteries are picked up by a truck and replaced with charged + inspected before reuse , there is a certain inequality that may leave you stranded when your abused battery dies , ruptures , etc .
Personally , I drive a car with a value under $ 3,000 at the moment , but even then I know I treat my car better than a lot of other people .
It 's sort of the same reason I do n't like propane cylinder exchanges- you get the grimey rusted tanks for your brand new shiny one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've got a $70,000 Lexus, you pull into the fill up station to pick up the batteries which were just in a demolition derby or a drive by shooting.
I don't mean to imply that because you have a more expensive car you deserve better condition batteries, but it is more likely that you treat your batteries well than someone with an older junker.
Unless all batteries are picked up by a truck and replaced with charged+inspected before reuse, there is a certain inequality that may leave you stranded when your abused battery dies, ruptures, etc.
Personally, I drive a car with a value under $3,000 at the moment, but even then I know I treat my car better than a lot of other people.
It's sort of the same reason I don't like propane cylinder exchanges- you get the grimey rusted tanks for your brand new shiny one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066834</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1265631180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would lock in permanent battery form-factors in the infancy of car development where we should not commit ourselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would lock in permanent battery form-factors in the infancy of car development where we should not commit ourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would lock in permanent battery form-factors in the infancy of car development where we should not commit ourselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067482</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1265635680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Uh, we should want them locked in as soon as possible.
</p><p>
New form factors can be developed, as long as they get standardized.
</p><p>
It's car manufacturers that want proprietary formats, so they can charge a boatload for proprietary replacement parts (VS pennies for commodity replacement parts).
</p><p>
It's like saying "Let's not lock-in computer ABIs or processor specs in the infancy of OS development"   (today, in 2010)
</p><p>
Better to stick with proprietary OS APIs and proprietary network libraries, so users have to buy software specifically licensed against this computer's spec.
</p><p>
And so hardware manufacturers can make a boatload selling the only OS that will work with their hardware,  or selling the only hardware that will work with their OS  (rather)
</p><p>
E.g.  HPUX good, Linux bad.
</p><p>
Ultrix/NonStop OS good, VxWorks bad.
</p><p>
Mac OS good, DOS bad.
</p><p>
AIX good, BSD bad.
</p><p>
OSF/1 good,  SysV bad.
</p><p>
NeXTSTEP good, Windows bad.
</p><p>
iPhone OS good, ChromeOS bad.
</p><p>
Atari DOS good, BeOS bad.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , we should want them locked in as soon as possible .
New form factors can be developed , as long as they get standardized .
It 's car manufacturers that want proprietary formats , so they can charge a boatload for proprietary replacement parts ( VS pennies for commodity replacement parts ) .
It 's like saying " Let 's not lock-in computer ABIs or processor specs in the infancy of OS development " ( today , in 2010 ) Better to stick with proprietary OS APIs and proprietary network libraries , so users have to buy software specifically licensed against this computer 's spec .
And so hardware manufacturers can make a boatload selling the only OS that will work with their hardware , or selling the only hardware that will work with their OS ( rather ) E.g .
HPUX good , Linux bad .
Ultrix/NonStop OS good , VxWorks bad .
Mac OS good , DOS bad .
AIX good , BSD bad .
OSF/1 good , SysV bad .
NeXTSTEP good , Windows bad .
iPhone OS good , ChromeOS bad .
Atari DOS good , BeOS bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Uh, we should want them locked in as soon as possible.
New form factors can be developed, as long as they get standardized.
It's car manufacturers that want proprietary formats, so they can charge a boatload for proprietary replacement parts (VS pennies for commodity replacement parts).
It's like saying "Let's not lock-in computer ABIs or processor specs in the infancy of OS development"   (today, in 2010)

Better to stick with proprietary OS APIs and proprietary network libraries, so users have to buy software specifically licensed against this computer's spec.
And so hardware manufacturers can make a boatload selling the only OS that will work with their hardware,  or selling the only hardware that will work with their OS  (rather)

E.g.
HPUX good, Linux bad.
Ultrix/NonStop OS good, VxWorks bad.
Mac OS good, DOS bad.
AIX good, BSD bad.
OSF/1 good,  SysV bad.
NeXTSTEP good, Windows bad.
iPhone OS good, ChromeOS bad.
Atari DOS good, BeOS bad.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068264</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265644560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called Better Places</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called Better Places</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called Better Places</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31077930</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265710200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is that?  Seems to me that all you need is minimum standards, just like with gasoline now. You might as well ask what the real octane of the gasoline you're buying is, how much water and other contaminants is present, whether the amount the pump claims to be pumping is correct, etc. Those are all concerns when buying gasoline, and there are legal requirements forcing gas stations to meet certain standards. I see no reason the same situation couldn't exist with exchangeable batteries at a battery filling station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is that ?
Seems to me that all you need is minimum standards , just like with gasoline now .
You might as well ask what the real octane of the gasoline you 're buying is , how much water and other contaminants is present , whether the amount the pump claims to be pumping is correct , etc .
Those are all concerns when buying gasoline , and there are legal requirements forcing gas stations to meet certain standards .
I see no reason the same situation could n't exist with exchangeable batteries at a battery filling station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is that?
Seems to me that all you need is minimum standards, just like with gasoline now.
You might as well ask what the real octane of the gasoline you're buying is, how much water and other contaminants is present, whether the amount the pump claims to be pumping is correct, etc.
Those are all concerns when buying gasoline, and there are legal requirements forcing gas stations to meet certain standards.
I see no reason the same situation couldn't exist with exchangeable batteries at a battery filling station.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068278</id>
	<title>Lifespan?</title>
	<author>bkaul01</author>
	<datestamp>1265644800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK, so if a traditional battery lasts, on average, 5 years or so, and the exceptionally long-lived one in my car has made it a little over 8, let's be generous and assume a 10-year lifespan for this technology<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... then you have to scrap and replace the body of the car?</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , so if a traditional battery lasts , on average , 5 years or so , and the exceptionally long-lived one in my car has made it a little over 8 , let 's be generous and assume a 10-year lifespan for this technology ... then you have to scrap and replace the body of the car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, so if a traditional battery lasts, on average, 5 years or so, and the exceptionally long-lived one in my car has made it a little over 8, let's be generous and assume a 10-year lifespan for this technology ... then you have to scrap and replace the body of the car?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31069968</id>
	<title>The ultimate shell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265712600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now... imagine alternative power sources (like light and heat collectors) on top of this material. You get your replenishing power source which is in fact the container. hmmm...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now... imagine alternative power sources ( like light and heat collectors ) on top of this material .
You get your replenishing power source which is in fact the container .
hmmm.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now... imagine alternative power sources (like light and heat collectors) on top of this material.
You get your replenishing power source which is in fact the container.
hmmm...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066502</id>
	<title>Bonus</title>
	<author>HangingChad</author>
	<datestamp>1265629620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Researchers are currently developing a new auto body material that can store and release electrical energy like a battery.</i>
</p><p>And it would make the neighbor's dog peeing on my car a pay-per-view moment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Researchers are currently developing a new auto body material that can store and release electrical energy like a battery .
And it would make the neighbor 's dog peeing on my car a pay-per-view moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Researchers are currently developing a new auto body material that can store and release electrical energy like a battery.
And it would make the neighbor's dog peeing on my car a pay-per-view moment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066482</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1265629500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're overlooking 2 things:</p><p>1- for daily commutes, you start each day with a full battery, which is more convenient than having to do regular trips to the service station.</p><p>2- for longer trips, batteries could be swappable, making longer trips possible with not much more pain than currently. that means<br>2a- coming up with an easy and standard way to do it (government regulation may be helpful, if it can prevent market fragmentation), and<br>2b- re-thinking ownership, because people will be leery of swapping their brand new battery for someone else's clunker. A yearly battery lease may be the way to go. It would alleviate the battery price problem, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're overlooking 2 things : 1- for daily commutes , you start each day with a full battery , which is more convenient than having to do regular trips to the service station.2- for longer trips , batteries could be swappable , making longer trips possible with not much more pain than currently .
that means2a- coming up with an easy and standard way to do it ( government regulation may be helpful , if it can prevent market fragmentation ) , and2b- re-thinking ownership , because people will be leery of swapping their brand new battery for someone else 's clunker .
A yearly battery lease may be the way to go .
It would alleviate the battery price problem , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're overlooking 2 things:1- for daily commutes, you start each day with a full battery, which is more convenient than having to do regular trips to the service station.2- for longer trips, batteries could be swappable, making longer trips possible with not much more pain than currently.
that means2a- coming up with an easy and standard way to do it (government regulation may be helpful, if it can prevent market fragmentation), and2b- re-thinking ownership, because people will be leery of swapping their brand new battery for someone else's clunker.
A yearly battery lease may be the way to go.
It would alleviate the battery price problem, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065738</id>
	<title>Re:Problem with that</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1265626380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts. This is achieved by stringing a bunch of cells together in series. If body panel or structural member is a cell, connecting in series will be difficult if not impossible.</p></div></blockquote><p>Great, even <i>more</i> incentive for tailgaiters...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts .
This is achieved by stringing a bunch of cells together in series .
If body panel or structural member is a cell , connecting in series will be difficult if not impossible.Great , even more incentive for tailgaiters.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts.
This is achieved by stringing a bunch of cells together in series.
If body panel or structural member is a cell, connecting in series will be difficult if not impossible.Great, even more incentive for tailgaiters...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065896</id>
	<title>Re:Lighter is not always a good thing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is more dangerous?</p><p>Two Hummers crashing head on into each other at a net speed of 120 mph.<br>Two Civics crashing head on into each other at a net speed of 120 mph.</p><p>This is a serious question. Which situation will be more dangerous?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is more dangerous ? Two Hummers crashing head on into each other at a net speed of 120 mph.Two Civics crashing head on into each other at a net speed of 120 mph.This is a serious question .
Which situation will be more dangerous ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is more dangerous?Two Hummers crashing head on into each other at a net speed of 120 mph.Two Civics crashing head on into each other at a net speed of 120 mph.This is a serious question.
Which situation will be more dangerous?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065828</id>
	<title>I can only imagine...</title>
	<author>E. Edward Grey</author>
	<datestamp>1265626680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ME: Can you help me out here?  I scraped a concrete barrier while trying to park my car.<br>REPAIR SHOP: Sure we can.  That will be seven thousand dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ME : Can you help me out here ?
I scraped a concrete barrier while trying to park my car.REPAIR SHOP : Sure we can .
That will be seven thousand dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ME: Can you help me out here?
I scraped a concrete barrier while trying to park my car.REPAIR SHOP: Sure we can.
That will be seven thousand dollars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066856</id>
	<title>Re:premature discharge</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265631300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The problem I can't even fathom how to solve is the premature discharge problem.</i> Thanks... I feel better now knowing that I'm not the only one that experiences "premature discharge" now and then... is there a support group for this?<br> <br>Yes, I too believe the first minor fender-bender would likely short the whole system out. Even if you managed to never hit anything, normal mechanical fatigue would eventually break down your insulation. I've seen capacitors literally explode when they short out (it vaporizes the dielectric); I'd hate to see what these panels do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem I ca n't even fathom how to solve is the premature discharge problem .
Thanks... I feel better now knowing that I 'm not the only one that experiences " premature discharge " now and then... is there a support group for this ?
Yes , I too believe the first minor fender-bender would likely short the whole system out .
Even if you managed to never hit anything , normal mechanical fatigue would eventually break down your insulation .
I 've seen capacitors literally explode when they short out ( it vaporizes the dielectric ) ; I 'd hate to see what these panels do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem I can't even fathom how to solve is the premature discharge problem.
Thanks... I feel better now knowing that I'm not the only one that experiences "premature discharge" now and then... is there a support group for this?
Yes, I too believe the first minor fender-bender would likely short the whole system out.
Even if you managed to never hit anything, normal mechanical fatigue would eventually break down your insulation.
I've seen capacitors literally explode when they short out (it vaporizes the dielectric); I'd hate to see what these panels do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065968</id>
	<title>Re:Problem with that</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1265627280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts.</p></div><p>Car batteries don't like being anthropomorphized.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts.Car batteries do n't like being anthropomorphized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts.Car batteries don't like being anthropomorphized.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065840</id>
	<title>neat idea</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1265626680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idea is a very interesting one and the problem isn't so much the risk of electrical shock (done correctly there isn't one) but the cost of the material and the ease to which the material can be replaced if it ever fails.  With normal car batteries, replacing them is easy.  Just unhook the +/-<br>from the battery and lift it out.  With the car body acting as a battery, if something fails, the entire material must be removed.  This sounds to me to be fairly expensive as well as having to replace the material which its self may have a fairly significant cost.  Over time that will be less the case but the problem of replacing a faulty "battery" remains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is a very interesting one and the problem is n't so much the risk of electrical shock ( done correctly there is n't one ) but the cost of the material and the ease to which the material can be replaced if it ever fails .
With normal car batteries , replacing them is easy .
Just unhook the + /-from the battery and lift it out .
With the car body acting as a battery , if something fails , the entire material must be removed .
This sounds to me to be fairly expensive as well as having to replace the material which its self may have a fairly significant cost .
Over time that will be less the case but the problem of replacing a faulty " battery " remains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is a very interesting one and the problem isn't so much the risk of electrical shock (done correctly there isn't one) but the cost of the material and the ease to which the material can be replaced if it ever fails.
With normal car batteries, replacing them is easy.
Just unhook the +/-from the battery and lift it out.
With the car body acting as a battery, if something fails, the entire material must be removed.
This sounds to me to be fairly expensive as well as having to replace the material which its self may have a fairly significant cost.
Over time that will be less the case but the problem of replacing a faulty "battery" remains.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066778</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265631000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you propose to force everyone to upgrade to an electric car once we figure out this 'electric car thing'. If so, I hope you are volunteering your bank account, as well!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you propose to force everyone to upgrade to an electric car once we figure out this 'electric car thing' .
If so , I hope you are volunteering your bank account , as well !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you propose to force everyone to upgrade to an electric car once we figure out this 'electric car thing'.
If so, I hope you are volunteering your bank account, as well!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065564</id>
	<title>So this is how it starts.</title>
	<author>nicknamenotavailable</author>
	<datestamp>1265625720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First<br>"New Material Transforms Car Bodies Into Batteries"</p><p>After that<br><a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/12/23/1355211/Body-Heat-Energy-Generation?from=rss" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">"Body Heat Energy Generation"</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Then we're all turned into batteries and the Matrix begins</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First " New Material Transforms Car Bodies Into Batteries " After that " Body Heat Energy Generation " [ slashdot.org ] Then we 're all turned into batteries and the Matrix begins</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First"New Material Transforms Car Bodies Into Batteries"After that"Body Heat Energy Generation" [slashdot.org]Then we're all turned into batteries and the Matrix begins</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066262</id>
	<title>Re:Lighter is not always a good thing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265628600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about two Civics having a head-on collision while the drivers are getting hummers? And which matters more, the speed of the Civics or the speed of the hummers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about two Civics having a head-on collision while the drivers are getting hummers ?
And which matters more , the speed of the Civics or the speed of the hummers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about two Civics having a head-on collision while the drivers are getting hummers?
And which matters more, the speed of the Civics or the speed of the hummers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066928</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>cvtan</author>
	<datestamp>1265631720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been one of those highly-trained educated people and I can tell you this type of announcement is most likely 100\% true and 150\% BS (simultaneously!).  The scientific part will be true, but there is NO appreciation of what it takes to get something into production in a real product.  These stories are released to 1) increase the stature of the researchers in the scientific community (which helps them get funding and therefore keep their job) and 2) seduce VC groups because these days almost every professor is the CEO of a start-up. {At the last conference I attended (ISSCC) I think I was the only person I ran into that wasn't the president of something.}  As proof of this I offer the huge number of web sites that advertise a neato product without showing any way to buy anything.  So, just how is it that you are the "world leader in CMOS imaging", but have no sensors to sell?  Hmmm...
PS: You lived in a box by the side of the road?  You were lucky!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been one of those highly-trained educated people and I can tell you this type of announcement is most likely 100 \ % true and 150 \ % BS ( simultaneously ! ) .
The scientific part will be true , but there is NO appreciation of what it takes to get something into production in a real product .
These stories are released to 1 ) increase the stature of the researchers in the scientific community ( which helps them get funding and therefore keep their job ) and 2 ) seduce VC groups because these days almost every professor is the CEO of a start-up .
{ At the last conference I attended ( ISSCC ) I think I was the only person I ran into that was n't the president of something .
} As proof of this I offer the huge number of web sites that advertise a neato product without showing any way to buy anything .
So , just how is it that you are the " world leader in CMOS imaging " , but have no sensors to sell ?
Hmmm.. . PS : You lived in a box by the side of the road ?
You were lucky !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been one of those highly-trained educated people and I can tell you this type of announcement is most likely 100\% true and 150\% BS (simultaneously!).
The scientific part will be true, but there is NO appreciation of what it takes to get something into production in a real product.
These stories are released to 1) increase the stature of the researchers in the scientific community (which helps them get funding and therefore keep their job) and 2) seduce VC groups because these days almost every professor is the CEO of a start-up.
{At the last conference I attended (ISSCC) I think I was the only person I ran into that wasn't the president of something.
}  As proof of this I offer the huge number of web sites that advertise a neato product without showing any way to buy anything.
So, just how is it that you are the "world leader in CMOS imaging", but have no sensors to sell?
Hmmm...
PS: You lived in a box by the side of the road?
You were lucky!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31071260</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1265726700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.</p></div></blockquote><p>Pedal faster ; overtake them, then sit in the correct position in your lane so that they've got to do a full overtaking manoeuvre if they want to pass you. Then get ahead of them again. Eventually, they'll get fed up of spending 10 or 20\% of their income on a car that travels at the speed of a bike and get a bike too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.Pedal faster ; overtake them , then sit in the correct position in your lane so that they 've got to do a full overtaking manoeuvre if they want to pass you .
Then get ahead of them again .
Eventually , they 'll get fed up of spending 10 or 20 \ % of their income on a car that travels at the speed of a bike and get a bike too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.Pedal faster ; overtake them, then sit in the correct position in your lane so that they've got to do a full overtaking manoeuvre if they want to pass you.
Then get ahead of them again.
Eventually, they'll get fed up of spending 10 or 20\% of their income on a car that travels at the speed of a bike and get a bike too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31069700</id>
	<title>Will you go to jail if...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265707920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My question is will you go to jail or otherwise be held liable when some scum keys your car and electrocutes himself?</p><p>And if so, will the penalties be low enough to make it worthwhile?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My question is will you go to jail or otherwise be held liable when some scum keys your car and electrocutes himself ? And if so , will the penalties be low enough to make it worthwhile ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My question is will you go to jail or otherwise be held liable when some scum keys your car and electrocutes himself?And if so, will the penalties be low enough to make it worthwhile?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31069986</id>
	<title>Brings up a question...</title>
	<author>Lost Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1265713380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How much will it cost to replace that battery?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much will it cost to replace that battery ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much will it cost to replace that battery?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065502</id>
	<title>Problem with that</title>
	<author>gr8\_phk</author>
	<datestamp>1265625540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts. This is achieved by stringing a bunch of cells together in series. If body panel or structural member is a cell, connecting in series will be difficult if not impossible. If parts were made from layers of material (i.e. cells in series within a body panel) then you've got this relatively thin 300V battery on the outside of the car waiting to make contact with stuff in a crash. Normally batteries are kept inside a strong box with a relay to disconnect from the outside when the car is off or in a crash. They try to protect the battery from damage too, by putting it down the middle, or between the rear wheels. Unless you're Tesla, this sounds like an infeasible ideal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts .
This is achieved by stringing a bunch of cells together in series .
If body panel or structural member is a cell , connecting in series will be difficult if not impossible .
If parts were made from layers of material ( i.e .
cells in series within a body panel ) then you 've got this relatively thin 300V battery on the outside of the car waiting to make contact with stuff in a crash .
Normally batteries are kept inside a strong box with a relay to disconnect from the outside when the car is off or in a crash .
They try to protect the battery from damage too , by putting it down the middle , or between the rear wheels .
Unless you 're Tesla , this sounds like an infeasible ideal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car batteries want to be 200 to 300 volts.
This is achieved by stringing a bunch of cells together in series.
If body panel or structural member is a cell, connecting in series will be difficult if not impossible.
If parts were made from layers of material (i.e.
cells in series within a body panel) then you've got this relatively thin 300V battery on the outside of the car waiting to make contact with stuff in a crash.
Normally batteries are kept inside a strong box with a relay to disconnect from the outside when the car is off or in a crash.
They try to protect the battery from damage too, by putting it down the middle, or between the rear wheels.
Unless you're Tesla, this sounds like an infeasible ideal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067878</id>
	<title>Re:It's a capcitor! or it's fakery!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265639880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they replaced the 3V watch battery in that home-made test "meter" with a peanut... then the light wouldn't come on...yay charlatans!  Yay fakery!<p> Some off-the-shelf test equipment with the guts torn out and replaced with the guts of that home-made test "meter" would have gone a long way towards quieting us (advanced composites aware) uber-skeptics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they replaced the 3V watch battery in that home-made test " meter " with a peanut... then the light would n't come on...yay charlatans !
Yay fakery !
Some off-the-shelf test equipment with the guts torn out and replaced with the guts of that home-made test " meter " would have gone a long way towards quieting us ( advanced composites aware ) uber-skeptics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they replaced the 3V watch battery in that home-made test "meter" with a peanut... then the light wouldn't come on...yay charlatans!
Yay fakery!
Some off-the-shelf test equipment with the guts torn out and replaced with the guts of that home-made test "meter" would have gone a long way towards quieting us (advanced composites aware) uber-skeptics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067036</id>
	<title>Sounds like unobtanium</title>
	<author>Xamusk</author>
	<datestamp>1265632320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just hope it's not the "20 million a kilo" one</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just hope it 's not the " 20 million a kilo " one</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just hope it's not the "20 million a kilo" one</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067460</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>LenE</author>
	<datestamp>1265635560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but the use of carbon fiber for the plates brings other hazards with galvanic corrosion and much difficulty in preventing shorts.  CF is really good at destroying metal fasteners.  Throw it in a wet environment like a wheel well, roof or hood, and the problems erupt in very little time.</p><p>This is a funding trial balloon.  You can imagine lots of uses for something when you make a small swatch hooked up to alligator clips in the lab, but the practicalities of implementing this "technology" in the real world will never be solved.  At least without more funding.  This university is not interested in making body panels out of this material.  They want someone with money to come by and fund their research for access, so they can make body panel capacitors.</p><p>-- Len</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but the use of carbon fiber for the plates brings other hazards with galvanic corrosion and much difficulty in preventing shorts .
CF is really good at destroying metal fasteners .
Throw it in a wet environment like a wheel well , roof or hood , and the problems erupt in very little time.This is a funding trial balloon .
You can imagine lots of uses for something when you make a small swatch hooked up to alligator clips in the lab , but the practicalities of implementing this " technology " in the real world will never be solved .
At least without more funding .
This university is not interested in making body panels out of this material .
They want someone with money to come by and fund their research for access , so they can make body panel capacitors.-- Len</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but the use of carbon fiber for the plates brings other hazards with galvanic corrosion and much difficulty in preventing shorts.
CF is really good at destroying metal fasteners.
Throw it in a wet environment like a wheel well, roof or hood, and the problems erupt in very little time.This is a funding trial balloon.
You can imagine lots of uses for something when you make a small swatch hooked up to alligator clips in the lab, but the practicalities of implementing this "technology" in the real world will never be solved.
At least without more funding.
This university is not interested in making body panels out of this material.
They want someone with money to come by and fund their research for access, so they can make body panel capacitors.-- Len</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067980</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1265640900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have visions of car crashes involving brilliant blue flashes and passengers exploding from the sudden discharge of electricity. Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.</p></div><p>No sense adding more danger. Getting hit is already bad enough.</p><p>Ever poked around in a digital camera before? (wearing gloves) I watched as one of my parents prodded a cap with a screwdriver. Only 330V, but quite the spark! Ka-bang! The screwdriver has a black mark where it touched.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have visions of car crashes involving brilliant blue flashes and passengers exploding from the sudden discharge of electricity .
Then again , we 're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there 's not much left to lose.No sense adding more danger .
Getting hit is already bad enough.Ever poked around in a digital camera before ?
( wearing gloves ) I watched as one of my parents prodded a cap with a screwdriver .
Only 330V , but quite the spark !
Ka-bang ! The screwdriver has a black mark where it touched .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have visions of car crashes involving brilliant blue flashes and passengers exploding from the sudden discharge of electricity.
Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.No sense adding more danger.
Getting hit is already bad enough.Ever poked around in a digital camera before?
(wearing gloves) I watched as one of my parents prodded a cap with a screwdriver.
Only 330V, but quite the spark!
Ka-bang! The screwdriver has a black mark where it touched.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065940</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065736</id>
	<title>Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once again, in less than 30 minutes the Slashdot crowd finds multiple fatal flaws in the results of years of work by highly-trained educated people. And frequently without even bothering to RTFA! Is there nothing we can't do?</p><p>NOBODY expects the Slashdot Community! The chief weapon of the Slashdot Community is presumption...presumption and arrogance...arrogance and presumption....  Our *two* weapons are presumption and arrogance...and cynicism.... Our *three* weapons are presumption, arrogance, and cynicism...and an overweening sense of entitlement.... Our *four*...no.... *Amongst* our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as arrogance, presumption...I'll come in again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once again , in less than 30 minutes the Slashdot crowd finds multiple fatal flaws in the results of years of work by highly-trained educated people .
And frequently without even bothering to RTFA !
Is there nothing we ca n't do ? NOBODY expects the Slashdot Community !
The chief weapon of the Slashdot Community is presumption...presumption and arrogance...arrogance and presumption.... Our * two * weapons are presumption and arrogance...and cynicism.... Our * three * weapons are presumption , arrogance , and cynicism...and an overweening sense of entitlement.... Our * four * ...no.... * Amongst * our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as arrogance , presumption...I 'll come in again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once again, in less than 30 minutes the Slashdot crowd finds multiple fatal flaws in the results of years of work by highly-trained educated people.
And frequently without even bothering to RTFA!
Is there nothing we can't do?NOBODY expects the Slashdot Community!
The chief weapon of the Slashdot Community is presumption...presumption and arrogance...arrogance and presumption....  Our *two* weapons are presumption and arrogance...and cynicism.... Our *three* weapons are presumption, arrogance, and cynicism...and an overweening sense of entitlement.... Our *four*...no.... *Amongst* our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as arrogance, presumption...I'll come in again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065446</id>
	<title>Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1265625360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to TFA their plan is to make the body panels act as one plate of a huge capacitor. I can't even begin to list all the technical flaws in their proposal; just reading it made my head hurt. They really should run their promotional pieces past a real engineer before spreading them all over the net.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to TFA their plan is to make the body panels act as one plate of a huge capacitor .
I ca n't even begin to list all the technical flaws in their proposal ; just reading it made my head hurt .
They really should run their promotional pieces past a real engineer before spreading them all over the net .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to TFA their plan is to make the body panels act as one plate of a huge capacitor.
I can't even begin to list all the technical flaws in their proposal; just reading it made my head hurt.
They really should run their promotional pieces past a real engineer before spreading them all over the net.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066304</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265628720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it doesn't solve anything, your just shifting the load onto our already decaying and dying electrical grid, which are connected to mainly COAL fired plants</p><p>not even considering the massive car sized toxic waste batteries that would be produced each year</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it does n't solve anything , your just shifting the load onto our already decaying and dying electrical grid , which are connected to mainly COAL fired plantsnot even considering the massive car sized toxic waste batteries that would be produced each year</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it doesn't solve anything, your just shifting the load onto our already decaying and dying electrical grid, which are connected to mainly COAL fired plantsnot even considering the massive car sized toxic waste batteries that would be produced each year</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31078668</id>
	<title>Re:It's a capcitor!</title>
	<author>Agripa</author>
	<datestamp>1265712960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The military has funded a lot of research for ultracapacitors to replace batteries for the electronics on missiles, an ideal application since missiles potentially sit on the shelf for years, and then need to function precisely for a very short period of time. (the cap would be charged as part of the launch procedure.)</p></div></blockquote><p>Primary batteries with an indefinite shelf life already exist in the from of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve\_battery" title="wikipedia.org">reserve batteries</a> [wikipedia.org].  Flooded cell secondary batteries also have an indefinite shelf life if the electrolyte is separate from the cells.  Flooded cell lead-acid, nickel-iron, and nickel-cadmium are usually stored and shipped that way.</p><p>For a lot of applications, minimum battery size is limited by power density instead of energy density so high energy density capacitors could have an advantage in size and weight.  A significant disadvantage however is their voltage discharge curve which both complicates power conditioning and limits usable energy and power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The military has funded a lot of research for ultracapacitors to replace batteries for the electronics on missiles , an ideal application since missiles potentially sit on the shelf for years , and then need to function precisely for a very short period of time .
( the cap would be charged as part of the launch procedure .
) Primary batteries with an indefinite shelf life already exist in the from of reserve batteries [ wikipedia.org ] .
Flooded cell secondary batteries also have an indefinite shelf life if the electrolyte is separate from the cells .
Flooded cell lead-acid , nickel-iron , and nickel-cadmium are usually stored and shipped that way.For a lot of applications , minimum battery size is limited by power density instead of energy density so high energy density capacitors could have an advantage in size and weight .
A significant disadvantage however is their voltage discharge curve which both complicates power conditioning and limits usable energy and power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The military has funded a lot of research for ultracapacitors to replace batteries for the electronics on missiles, an ideal application since missiles potentially sit on the shelf for years, and then need to function precisely for a very short period of time.
(the cap would be charged as part of the launch procedure.
)Primary batteries with an indefinite shelf life already exist in the from of reserve batteries [wikipedia.org].
Flooded cell secondary batteries also have an indefinite shelf life if the electrolyte is separate from the cells.
Flooded cell lead-acid, nickel-iron, and nickel-cadmium are usually stored and shipped that way.For a lot of applications, minimum battery size is limited by power density instead of energy density so high energy density capacitors could have an advantage in size and weight.
A significant disadvantage however is their voltage discharge curve which both complicates power conditioning and limits usable energy and power.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065884</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>TwiztidK</author>
	<datestamp>1265626920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.</p></div><p>The <b>electrical components</b> of my gas burning vehicle shorted and caused the rest of the vehicle to be consumed by flames in a very smokey manner, certainly smokier than other car I've observed. As the electric parts of the car were responsible for said fire, it seems resonable that electric cars will burst into flames more often than gas burning cars. Therefore, it can be logically deduced that electric cars will result in much more smoke than the fossil fueled alternatives.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.The electrical components of my gas burning vehicle shorted and caused the rest of the vehicle to be consumed by flames in a very smokey manner , certainly smokier than other car I 've observed .
As the electric parts of the car were responsible for said fire , it seems resonable that electric cars will burst into flames more often than gas burning cars .
Therefore , it can be logically deduced that electric cars will result in much more smoke than the fossil fueled alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope we get this electric car thing figured out soon because I am just about sick of following smoke belching vehicles every day.The electrical components of my gas burning vehicle shorted and caused the rest of the vehicle to be consumed by flames in a very smokey manner, certainly smokier than other car I've observed.
As the electric parts of the car were responsible for said fire, it seems resonable that electric cars will burst into flames more often than gas burning cars.
Therefore, it can be logically deduced that electric cars will result in much more smoke than the fossil fueled alternatives.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068800</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>zerospeaks</author>
	<datestamp>1265650560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you really want a populous of dumb americans who can't seem to figure out a gas pump, to be throwing around lith-ion batteries that can explode after physical abuse?
I can post picture and videos of people having "accidents" at gas stations to prove my point if you want...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really want a populous of dumb americans who ca n't seem to figure out a gas pump , to be throwing around lith-ion batteries that can explode after physical abuse ?
I can post picture and videos of people having " accidents " at gas stations to prove my point if you want.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really want a populous of dumb americans who can't seem to figure out a gas pump, to be throwing around lith-ion batteries that can explode after physical abuse?
I can post picture and videos of people having "accidents" at gas stations to prove my point if you want...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31078874</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Agripa</author>
	<datestamp>1265713860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Too many variables. How much charge is in the current battery, how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave, what happens when you get a partial dud, how many batteries can be swapped out a day, the physical labor of swapping batteries, what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.</p></div></blockquote><p>Does the battery EULA allow it to be used in your car?  Does the station even carry the battery necessary for your car after 3 years?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too many variables .
How much charge is in the current battery , how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave , what happens when you get a partial dud , how many batteries can be swapped out a day , the physical labor of swapping batteries , what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.Does the battery EULA allow it to be used in your car ?
Does the station even carry the battery necessary for your car after 3 years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too many variables.
How much charge is in the current battery, how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave, what happens when you get a partial dud, how many batteries can be swapped out a day, the physical labor of swapping batteries, what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.Does the battery EULA allow it to be used in your car?
Does the station even carry the battery necessary for your car after 3 years?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067334</id>
	<title>BetterPlace</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1265634660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BetterPlace (seriously, that's a company name) plans to do exactly this: <a href="http://www.betterplace.com/solution/charging/" title="betterplace.com">http://www.betterplace.com/solution/charging/</a> [betterplace.com]</p><p>They're planning to install battery swapping stations in Israel first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BetterPlace ( seriously , that 's a company name ) plans to do exactly this : http : //www.betterplace.com/solution/charging/ [ betterplace.com ] They 're planning to install battery swapping stations in Israel first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BetterPlace (seriously, that's a company name) plans to do exactly this: http://www.betterplace.com/solution/charging/ [betterplace.com]They're planning to install battery swapping stations in Israel first.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31073786</id>
	<title>Re:Lighter is not always a good thing.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265737920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You, sir, feeling safe in your Escelade, are woefully misinformed. More people die in SUVs per passenger mile than any other type of vehicle, for myriad reasons, mostly because of their weight. The weight and top-heaviness makes them handle like drunken cows, their weight makes them harder to stop, their topheaviness makes them prone to rollovers, they lack crumple zones that increase the impact on the human body, the driver's misinformed perception of personal safety makes them less diligent while driving.</p><p>The safest vehicle is a minivan, which usually can hold more passengers than the wasteful and deadly SUV.</p><p>If you drive an SUV, your message to the world is "I may be stupid, but at least I'm rich."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You , sir , feeling safe in your Escelade , are woefully misinformed .
More people die in SUVs per passenger mile than any other type of vehicle , for myriad reasons , mostly because of their weight .
The weight and top-heaviness makes them handle like drunken cows , their weight makes them harder to stop , their topheaviness makes them prone to rollovers , they lack crumple zones that increase the impact on the human body , the driver 's misinformed perception of personal safety makes them less diligent while driving.The safest vehicle is a minivan , which usually can hold more passengers than the wasteful and deadly SUV.If you drive an SUV , your message to the world is " I may be stupid , but at least I 'm rich .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You, sir, feeling safe in your Escelade, are woefully misinformed.
More people die in SUVs per passenger mile than any other type of vehicle, for myriad reasons, mostly because of their weight.
The weight and top-heaviness makes them handle like drunken cows, their weight makes them harder to stop, their topheaviness makes them prone to rollovers, they lack crumple zones that increase the impact on the human body, the driver's misinformed perception of personal safety makes them less diligent while driving.The safest vehicle is a minivan, which usually can hold more passengers than the wasteful and deadly SUV.If you drive an SUV, your message to the world is "I may be stupid, but at least I'm rich.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065650</id>
	<title>Anyone else see this as potentially dangerous?</title>
	<author>Saishuuheiki</author>
	<datestamp>1265626080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to be overly simplistic, but wouldn't this be dangerous?</p><p>If you get into an accident with batteries in the car, you're fine as long as the battery doesn't hit you as it's destroyed. If your entire car is a battery, what is to stop it from electrocuting you when metal contorts in a weird way to cause you to be part of a short-circuit? Not to mention implications when you have to extract someone from a wrecked car</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to be overly simplistic , but would n't this be dangerous ? If you get into an accident with batteries in the car , you 're fine as long as the battery does n't hit you as it 's destroyed .
If your entire car is a battery , what is to stop it from electrocuting you when metal contorts in a weird way to cause you to be part of a short-circuit ?
Not to mention implications when you have to extract someone from a wrecked car</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to be overly simplistic, but wouldn't this be dangerous?If you get into an accident with batteries in the car, you're fine as long as the battery doesn't hit you as it's destroyed.
If your entire car is a battery, what is to stop it from electrocuting you when metal contorts in a weird way to cause you to be part of a short-circuit?
Not to mention implications when you have to extract someone from a wrecked car</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068954</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>crispytwo</author>
	<datestamp>1265652240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All we need are two brushes on the bottom, and a slot to put the car in</p><p>voil&#224;, no batteries needed!</p><p>woot!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All we need are two brushes on the bottom , and a slot to put the car invoil   , no batteries needed ! woot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All we need are two brushes on the bottom, and a slot to put the car invoilà, no batteries needed!woot!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067026</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Max Littlemore</author>
	<datestamp>1265632200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even once they do perfect the electric car I would imagine there is no getting rid of the internal combustion engine.</p></div></blockquote><p>Hmmm, I wonder about that. I'm not disputing that combustion is a better method of mobile energy use for long haul, it means you don't need to carry all of the components required to use the energy, but external combustion does make it much easier to burn dirtier fuels completely, meaning less refinement and higher tolerance for varying grades of biofuel.</p><p>I have a feeling, just a feeling mind - nothing to back it up, that turbines generating electric power (much like diesel locomotives) would be excellent for trucking, for example.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even once they do perfect the electric car I would imagine there is no getting rid of the internal combustion engine.Hmmm , I wonder about that .
I 'm not disputing that combustion is a better method of mobile energy use for long haul , it means you do n't need to carry all of the components required to use the energy , but external combustion does make it much easier to burn dirtier fuels completely , meaning less refinement and higher tolerance for varying grades of biofuel.I have a feeling , just a feeling mind - nothing to back it up , that turbines generating electric power ( much like diesel locomotives ) would be excellent for trucking , for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even once they do perfect the electric car I would imagine there is no getting rid of the internal combustion engine.Hmmm, I wonder about that.
I'm not disputing that combustion is a better method of mobile energy use for long haul, it means you don't need to carry all of the components required to use the energy, but external combustion does make it much easier to burn dirtier fuels completely, meaning less refinement and higher tolerance for varying grades of biofuel.I have a feeling, just a feeling mind - nothing to back it up, that turbines generating electric power (much like diesel locomotives) would be excellent for trucking, for example.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066050</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot does it again!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265627640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe they overlooked stuff, hmm ? they arent auto engineers, theyre chemists without any engineering training. lets not apply the same bigoted view to the words of highly experienced slashdot engineers, eh ?<br>assuming a technical message board populated by hundreds of people working in the industry is wrong is a presumptive, arrogant, and cynical view. or in other words, dear sir - u r a dumbass stfu.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe they overlooked stuff , hmm ?
they arent auto engineers , theyre chemists without any engineering training .
lets not apply the same bigoted view to the words of highly experienced slashdot engineers , eh ? assuming a technical message board populated by hundreds of people working in the industry is wrong is a presumptive , arrogant , and cynical view .
or in other words , dear sir - u r a dumbass stfu .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe they overlooked stuff, hmm ?
they arent auto engineers, theyre chemists without any engineering training.
lets not apply the same bigoted view to the words of highly experienced slashdot engineers, eh ?assuming a technical message board populated by hundreds of people working in the industry is wrong is a presumptive, arrogant, and cynical view.
or in other words, dear sir - u r a dumbass stfu.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068356</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1265645460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.</p></div><p>And that's just the coffee.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then again , we 're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there 's not much left to lose.And that 's just the coffee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.And that's just the coffee.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31071950</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>mweather</author>
	<datestamp>1265730600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Too many variables.  How much charge is in the current battery, how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave, what happens when you get a partial dud, how many batteries can be swapped out a day, the physical labor of swapping batteries, what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.</p></div><p>The gas stations don't seem to have a problem swapping propane tanks, which have similar problems.

The only real problem is labor, which can be solved with simple robots. Drive to the swap spot, park, and the robot lines up with the markings on the battery under the car, removes it, spirits it away, returns with a fresh, fully charged battery, and installs it.

Nothing you don't see a million times a say in any factory in America.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too many variables .
How much charge is in the current battery , how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave , what happens when you get a partial dud , how many batteries can be swapped out a day , the physical labor of swapping batteries , what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.The gas stations do n't seem to have a problem swapping propane tanks , which have similar problems .
The only real problem is labor , which can be solved with simple robots .
Drive to the swap spot , park , and the robot lines up with the markings on the battery under the car , removes it , spirits it away , returns with a fresh , fully charged battery , and installs it .
Nothing you do n't see a million times a say in any factory in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too many variables.
How much charge is in the current battery, how much wear and tear are in the battery you just got versus what you just gave, what happens when you get a partial dud, how many batteries can be swapped out a day, the physical labor of swapping batteries, what do you charge/how do you come to the cost and how does that make you competitive with your competition.The gas stations don't seem to have a problem swapping propane tanks, which have similar problems.
The only real problem is labor, which can be solved with simple robots.
Drive to the swap spot, park, and the robot lines up with the markings on the battery under the car, removes it, spirits it away, returns with a fresh, fully charged battery, and installs it.
Nothing you don't see a million times a say in any factory in America.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065758</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1265626380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you imagine someone tries to grab a hold of the door handle while he is standing in the rain,<br>and somehow wires got crossed (its a toyota),.....oh the irony of it all.</p><p>"If you can't fight them, give them electrifying"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you imagine someone tries to grab a hold of the door handle while he is standing in the rain,and somehow wires got crossed ( its a toyota ) ,.....oh the irony of it all .
" If you ca n't fight them , give them electrifying "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you imagine someone tries to grab a hold of the door handle while he is standing in the rain,and somehow wires got crossed (its a toyota),.....oh the irony of it all.
"If you can't fight them, give them electrifying"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065794</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265626500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why I have no emissions!  Just for people like you.<br>On topic this isn't news until it's peer reviewed.  Which it wont pass, they never do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why I have no emissions !
Just for people like you.On topic this is n't news until it 's peer reviewed .
Which it wont pass , they never do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why I have no emissions!
Just for people like you.On topic this isn't news until it's peer reviewed.
Which it wont pass, they never do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065416</id>
	<title>Allready there</title>
	<author>jvillain</author>
	<datestamp>1265625240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought my rusting chebby was acting like a battery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought my rusting chebby was acting like a battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought my rusting chebby was acting like a battery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067842</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1265639580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless the batteries are the size of Blue Rhino 20# Propane tank with the same kind of standardization and reconditioning, no thanks.</p><p>Until the batteries get that power dense, better order up a Japanese powersuit for every service station to change the batteries.</p><p>And unless its full service at every station everywhere, it has to be something my wife can change out by herself on her own car, and not just something environmentalists and gadget geeks feel comfortable with. Like people who don't feel comfortable using jumper cables suddenly being ok disconnecting/reconnecting the leads on a 220v electrical system in the rain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the batteries are the size of Blue Rhino 20 # Propane tank with the same kind of standardization and reconditioning , no thanks.Until the batteries get that power dense , better order up a Japanese powersuit for every service station to change the batteries.And unless its full service at every station everywhere , it has to be something my wife can change out by herself on her own car , and not just something environmentalists and gadget geeks feel comfortable with .
Like people who do n't feel comfortable using jumper cables suddenly being ok disconnecting/reconnecting the leads on a 220v electrical system in the rain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the batteries are the size of Blue Rhino 20# Propane tank with the same kind of standardization and reconditioning, no thanks.Until the batteries get that power dense, better order up a Japanese powersuit for every service station to change the batteries.And unless its full service at every station everywhere, it has to be something my wife can change out by herself on her own car, and not just something environmentalists and gadget geeks feel comfortable with.
Like people who don't feel comfortable using jumper cables suddenly being ok disconnecting/reconnecting the leads on a 220v electrical system in the rain.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066606</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1265630100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Smoke belching vehicles?  How about electric car companies blowing smoke?  Electric cars have been vaporware for years; they keep predicting that they'll bring an affordable one to the general market in "a year or two".  Wait a year or two and it's "another year or two."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Smoke belching vehicles ?
How about electric car companies blowing smoke ?
Electric cars have been vaporware for years ; they keep predicting that they 'll bring an affordable one to the general market in " a year or two " .
Wait a year or two and it 's " another year or two .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smoke belching vehicles?
How about electric car companies blowing smoke?
Electric cars have been vaporware for years; they keep predicting that they'll bring an affordable one to the general market in "a year or two".
Wait a year or two and it's "another year or two.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:premature discharge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265707260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>multiple layers of stenciled conductive paint, with alternating layers of high-resistance paint.</p><p>Assume for a moment you use a conductive paint that contains suspended graphene molecules of a specific size; (mass produced), along with an organic polymer resin, and a catalyst which helps align and deposit the graphene particles into a coherent layer.  This layer would be highly conductive, thin, and with ideal qualities for a capacitor plate.  The organic polymer resin forms the dielectric membrane between the plate layers.</p><p>Stenciling in contact points for the conductive layers would allow you to sandwich many such layers together.  Charge logic would control how much charge each individual layer is permitted to retain.</p><p>Considering that some automotive paints (Such as metal flake) can be nearly a whole millimeter thick, you could sandwich hundreds of layers of graphene and thin polymer this way before putting on the top protective coating.</p><p>Granted, that would require several things to be true:</p><p>1) A cheap means of mass producing graphene nanoparticles of a highly controlled size and configuration. (NON TRIVIAL, I am thinking an ideal nanoparticle would be 20 carbon atoms or so. These should be very uniform, and would naturally want to settle into a tessellating graphene sheet.)</p><p>2) an effective mixture of durable thin-film forming polymer resin, and a self-assembly catalyst for the deposition of the graphene. (NON TRIVIAL)</p><p>3) some way of externally activating the deposition process, so that it does not end up producing a thick layer of graphene inside the bottle. (Heat sensitivity and the use of a curing oven comes to mind.)</p><p>If you are meaning "How do we make hundreds of discrete cells" instead of the onion skin approach I just suggested-- that is merely a difference in how you apply the paint, and make traces between conductive cells, and would just use custom stencils.</p><p>This would allow you to use any rigid surface that doesn't get much wear to be used as a capacitor bank.</p><p>If you dont mind an expensive process, This could be accomplished using a CVD process to grow the graphene sheets on the surface substrate, with resist layers stenciled on using a paint process.</p><p>The idea is at least plausible, even if details of the pure paint-chemistry method is vaporware at this point in time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>multiple layers of stenciled conductive paint , with alternating layers of high-resistance paint.Assume for a moment you use a conductive paint that contains suspended graphene molecules of a specific size ; ( mass produced ) , along with an organic polymer resin , and a catalyst which helps align and deposit the graphene particles into a coherent layer .
This layer would be highly conductive , thin , and with ideal qualities for a capacitor plate .
The organic polymer resin forms the dielectric membrane between the plate layers.Stenciling in contact points for the conductive layers would allow you to sandwich many such layers together .
Charge logic would control how much charge each individual layer is permitted to retain.Considering that some automotive paints ( Such as metal flake ) can be nearly a whole millimeter thick , you could sandwich hundreds of layers of graphene and thin polymer this way before putting on the top protective coating.Granted , that would require several things to be true : 1 ) A cheap means of mass producing graphene nanoparticles of a highly controlled size and configuration .
( NON TRIVIAL , I am thinking an ideal nanoparticle would be 20 carbon atoms or so .
These should be very uniform , and would naturally want to settle into a tessellating graphene sheet .
) 2 ) an effective mixture of durable thin-film forming polymer resin , and a self-assembly catalyst for the deposition of the graphene .
( NON TRIVIAL ) 3 ) some way of externally activating the deposition process , so that it does not end up producing a thick layer of graphene inside the bottle .
( Heat sensitivity and the use of a curing oven comes to mind .
) If you are meaning " How do we make hundreds of discrete cells " instead of the onion skin approach I just suggested-- that is merely a difference in how you apply the paint , and make traces between conductive cells , and would just use custom stencils.This would allow you to use any rigid surface that does n't get much wear to be used as a capacitor bank.If you dont mind an expensive process , This could be accomplished using a CVD process to grow the graphene sheets on the surface substrate , with resist layers stenciled on using a paint process.The idea is at least plausible , even if details of the pure paint-chemistry method is vaporware at this point in time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>multiple layers of stenciled conductive paint, with alternating layers of high-resistance paint.Assume for a moment you use a conductive paint that contains suspended graphene molecules of a specific size; (mass produced), along with an organic polymer resin, and a catalyst which helps align and deposit the graphene particles into a coherent layer.
This layer would be highly conductive, thin, and with ideal qualities for a capacitor plate.
The organic polymer resin forms the dielectric membrane between the plate layers.Stenciling in contact points for the conductive layers would allow you to sandwich many such layers together.
Charge logic would control how much charge each individual layer is permitted to retain.Considering that some automotive paints (Such as metal flake) can be nearly a whole millimeter thick, you could sandwich hundreds of layers of graphene and thin polymer this way before putting on the top protective coating.Granted, that would require several things to be true:1) A cheap means of mass producing graphene nanoparticles of a highly controlled size and configuration.
(NON TRIVIAL, I am thinking an ideal nanoparticle would be 20 carbon atoms or so.
These should be very uniform, and would naturally want to settle into a tessellating graphene sheet.
)2) an effective mixture of durable thin-film forming polymer resin, and a self-assembly catalyst for the deposition of the graphene.
(NON TRIVIAL)3) some way of externally activating the deposition process, so that it does not end up producing a thick layer of graphene inside the bottle.
(Heat sensitivity and the use of a curing oven comes to mind.
)If you are meaning "How do we make hundreds of discrete cells" instead of the onion skin approach I just suggested-- that is merely a difference in how you apply the paint, and make traces between conductive cells, and would just use custom stencils.This would allow you to use any rigid surface that doesn't get much wear to be used as a capacitor bank.If you dont mind an expensive process, This could be accomplished using a CVD process to grow the graphene sheets on the surface substrate, with resist layers stenciled on using a paint process.The idea is at least plausible, even if details of the pure paint-chemistry method is vaporware at this point in time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066046</id>
	<title>mod 3own</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265627640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">irc.easynews.com to have to decide Lay down paper fellow travellers? been sitting 4ere having lost 93\% the reaper In a volume of NetBSD series of internal</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>irc.easynews.com to have to decide Lay down paper fellow travellers ?
been sitting 4ere having lost 93 \ % the reaper In a volume of NetBSD series of internal [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>irc.easynews.com to have to decide Lay down paper fellow travellers?
been sitting 4ere having lost 93\% the reaper In a volume of NetBSD series of internal [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065940</id>
	<title>Re:Another wonderful fantasy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265627160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>According to TFA their plan is to make the body panels act as one plate of a huge capacitor. I can't even begin to list all the technical flaws in their proposal; just reading it made my head hurt. They really should run their promotional pieces past a real engineer before spreading them all over the net.</p></div><p>I have visions of car crashes involving brilliant blue flashes and passengers exploding from the sudden discharge of electricity. Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to TFA their plan is to make the body panels act as one plate of a huge capacitor .
I ca n't even begin to list all the technical flaws in their proposal ; just reading it made my head hurt .
They really should run their promotional pieces past a real engineer before spreading them all over the net.I have visions of car crashes involving brilliant blue flashes and passengers exploding from the sudden discharge of electricity .
Then again , we 're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there 's not much left to lose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to TFA their plan is to make the body panels act as one plate of a huge capacitor.
I can't even begin to list all the technical flaws in their proposal; just reading it made my head hurt.
They really should run their promotional pieces past a real engineer before spreading them all over the net.I have visions of car crashes involving brilliant blue flashes and passengers exploding from the sudden discharge of electricity.
Then again, we're already driving around in steel coffins filled with gallons of explosively flammable liquid so there's not much left to lose.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31066082</id>
	<title>a better idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265627760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Harness the hot air from my mother-in-law's back-seat driving!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Harness the hot air from my mother-in-law 's back-seat driving !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Harness the hot air from my mother-in-law's back-seat driving!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:In other news person electrocuted in fender ben</title>
	<author>kehren77</author>
	<datestamp>1265627040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I vote we make that a feature. Seriously, screw car alarms. I want my car to electrocute potential thieves (annoying neighbor kids, etc....).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I vote we make that a feature .
Seriously , screw car alarms .
I want my car to electrocute potential thieves ( annoying neighbor kids , etc.... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I vote we make that a feature.
Seriously, screw car alarms.
I want my car to electrocute potential thieves (annoying neighbor kids, etc....).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065626</id>
	<title>In other news person electrocuted in fender bender</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265625960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see the headlines now. People being electrocuted when involved in an accident which causes a "short" over the car frame...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see the headlines now .
People being electrocuted when involved in an accident which causes a " short " over the car frame.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see the headlines now.
People being electrocuted when involved in an accident which causes a "short" over the car frame...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31065396</id>
	<title>Can't Wait.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265625180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can imagine it would make a multi-car pile up quite exciting.  Just another effort to make real life more like a Michael Bay movie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can imagine it would make a multi-car pile up quite exciting .
Just another effort to make real life more like a Michael Bay movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can imagine it would make a multi-car pile up quite exciting.
Just another effort to make real life more like a Michael Bay movie.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31067794</id>
	<title>Re:Good</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1265639100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations? Then the only range that matters is the distance to the next service station.</p></div><p>For the same reason that you can't take a piston from one engine and put it into another as easily. (Pedants stand down, I'm sure there's many cases where you can do this.) Automakers will muck it up with all of their proprietary shit and make the whole thing into a huge clusterfuck.</p><p>A standardized charging port is probably more likely than a standardized battery.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations ?
Then the only range that matters is the distance to the next service station.For the same reason that you ca n't take a piston from one engine and put it into another as easily .
( Pedants stand down , I 'm sure there 's many cases where you can do this .
) Automakers will muck it up with all of their proprietary shit and make the whole thing into a huge clusterfuck.A standardized charging port is probably more likely than a standardized battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just make the batteries swappable at service stations?
Then the only range that matters is the distance to the next service station.For the same reason that you can't take a piston from one engine and put it into another as easily.
(Pedants stand down, I'm sure there's many cases where you can do this.
) Automakers will muck it up with all of their proprietary shit and make the whole thing into a huge clusterfuck.A standardized charging port is probably more likely than a standardized battery.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_182245.31068400</id>
	<title>impact on electrolysis/corrosion</title>
	<author>kimvette</author>
	<datestamp>1265646060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hopefully this will reduce, not increase chassis and body corrosion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully this will reduce , not increase chassis and body corrosion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully this will reduce, not increase chassis and body corrosion.</sentencetext>
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