<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_08_1620238</id>
	<title>SourceForge Removes Blanket Blocking</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1265649120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Recently there was much gnashing of teeth as SourceForge (which shares a corporate overlord with Slashdot) started programmatically <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/25/1854241/SourceForge-Clarifies-Denial-of-Site-Access">blocking users in certain countries</a> to comply with US export restrictions.  Thankfully they didn't let it end there and have found a way to put the <a href="http://ow.ly/14U1k">power back in the hands of the users</a>.  <i>"Beginning now, every project admin can click on Develop -&gt; Project Admin -&gt; Project Settings to find a new section called Export Control. By default, we've ticked the more restrictive setting. If you conclude that your project is *not* subject to export regulations, or any other related prohibitions, you may now tick the other check mark and click Update. After that, all users will be able to download your project files as they did before last month's change."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently there was much gnashing of teeth as SourceForge ( which shares a corporate overlord with Slashdot ) started programmatically blocking users in certain countries to comply with US export restrictions .
Thankfully they did n't let it end there and have found a way to put the power back in the hands of the users .
" Beginning now , every project admin can click on Develop - &gt; Project Admin - &gt; Project Settings to find a new section called Export Control .
By default , we 've ticked the more restrictive setting .
If you conclude that your project is * not * subject to export regulations , or any other related prohibitions , you may now tick the other check mark and click Update .
After that , all users will be able to download your project files as they did before last month 's change .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently there was much gnashing of teeth as SourceForge (which shares a corporate overlord with Slashdot) started programmatically blocking users in certain countries to comply with US export restrictions.
Thankfully they didn't let it end there and have found a way to put the power back in the hands of the users.
"Beginning now, every project admin can click on Develop -&gt; Project Admin -&gt; Project Settings to find a new section called Export Control.
By default, we've ticked the more restrictive setting.
If you conclude that your project is *not* subject to export regulations, or any other related prohibitions, you may now tick the other check mark and click Update.
After that, all users will be able to download your project files as they did before last month's change.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062642</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>tagno25</author>
	<datestamp>1265656080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is not considered a "munition" any more.

<a href="http://xkcd.com/504/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/504/</a> [xkcd.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not considered a " munition " any more .
http : //xkcd.com/504/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not considered a "munition" any more.
http://xkcd.com/504/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063580</id>
	<title>Whoa there Tiger</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1265660400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My project FileUniq is plain python, and executes a call to "md5" in order to get a hash.</i></p><p>MD5 is non-special (and deprecated anyway) no one at the BIS would give you a moment's difficulty.  Worst case scenario, notify the BIS and they send you an official reply.  I know this because I've worked with the BIS to export encryption technology.  They were very easy to work with and tolerated my inexperience.  Call them and explain your situation.</p><p>Sourceforge's language is a little daunting.  A (new?) lawyer (justifying his job?) at sourceforge MegaCorp probably has quite a bit to do with the entire fiasco.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My project FileUniq is plain python , and executes a call to " md5 " in order to get a hash.MD5 is non-special ( and deprecated anyway ) no one at the BIS would give you a moment 's difficulty .
Worst case scenario , notify the BIS and they send you an official reply .
I know this because I 've worked with the BIS to export encryption technology .
They were very easy to work with and tolerated my inexperience .
Call them and explain your situation.Sourceforge 's language is a little daunting .
A ( new ?
) lawyer ( justifying his job ?
) at sourceforge MegaCorp probably has quite a bit to do with the entire fiasco .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My project FileUniq is plain python, and executes a call to "md5" in order to get a hash.MD5 is non-special (and deprecated anyway) no one at the BIS would give you a moment's difficulty.
Worst case scenario, notify the BIS and they send you an official reply.
I know this because I've worked with the BIS to export encryption technology.
They were very easy to work with and tolerated my inexperience.
Call them and explain your situation.Sourceforge's language is a little daunting.
A (new?
) lawyer (justifying his job?
) at sourceforge MegaCorp probably has quite a bit to do with the entire fiasco.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063594</id>
	<title>The user</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1265660460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why they are doing it this way. If they had it by default off someone might argue, perhaps successfully, that it was Sourceforge's fault since they didn't stop it from happening. However here they are blocking it by default and the screen probably has something along the lines of "You certify this is ok for export by removing this." Thus if it comes up, it is on the user. They made the change, they should have reasonably been aware of what it was for and made sure their software was ok.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why they are doing it this way .
If they had it by default off someone might argue , perhaps successfully , that it was Sourceforge 's fault since they did n't stop it from happening .
However here they are blocking it by default and the screen probably has something along the lines of " You certify this is ok for export by removing this .
" Thus if it comes up , it is on the user .
They made the change , they should have reasonably been aware of what it was for and made sure their software was ok .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why they are doing it this way.
If they had it by default off someone might argue, perhaps successfully, that it was Sourceforge's fault since they didn't stop it from happening.
However here they are blocking it by default and the screen probably has something along the lines of "You certify this is ok for export by removing this.
" Thus if it comes up, it is on the user.
They made the change, they should have reasonably been aware of what it was for and made sure their software was ok.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062032</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063962</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1265662440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why not simply host the servers in a country that doesn't have brain-dead restrictions on the "export" of ones and zeros? One that doesn't classify encryption/decryption code as a "munition"?</i> </p><p>Moving your servers abroad to avoid export controls pretty much guarantees that you will be prosecuted in the states.</p><p>Export controls are not unique to the U.S., and they are not limited to encryption. This is serious shit and you had damn well better know what you are getting into.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that does n't have brain-dead restrictions on the " export " of ones and zeros ?
One that does n't classify encryption/decryption code as a " munition " ?
Moving your servers abroad to avoid export controls pretty much guarantees that you will be prosecuted in the states.Export controls are not unique to the U.S. , and they are not limited to encryption .
This is serious shit and you had damn well better know what you are getting into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that doesn't have brain-dead restrictions on the "export" of ones and zeros?
One that doesn't classify encryption/decryption code as a "munition"?
Moving your servers abroad to avoid export controls pretty much guarantees that you will be prosecuted in the states.Export controls are not unique to the U.S., and they are not limited to encryption.
This is serious shit and you had damn well better know what you are getting into.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062768</id>
	<title>war</title>
	<author>anonieuweling</author>
	<datestamp>1265656620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>A couple of weeks ago, to ensure compliance with US law as we roll out improvements to SourceForge.net, we began programmatically blocking access to the site for users in certain countries against which the US government imposes sanctions.</i>
<br>
`Sanctions` are acts of WAR<br>
So private corporations assist in illegal types of warfare by the US goverment which is legally owned by the deepest pockets.<br>
How can SourceForge allow project admins to circumvent this law that provides for teh safety of all scared american peeple?<br>
I mean, first it is law and now the project admin, who can be non-american -terrorist?- , can decide?</htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple of weeks ago , to ensure compliance with US law as we roll out improvements to SourceForge.net , we began programmatically blocking access to the site for users in certain countries against which the US government imposes sanctions .
` Sanctions ` are acts of WAR So private corporations assist in illegal types of warfare by the US goverment which is legally owned by the deepest pockets .
How can SourceForge allow project admins to circumvent this law that provides for teh safety of all scared american peeple ?
I mean , first it is law and now the project admin , who can be non-american -terrorist ? - , can decide ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple of weeks ago, to ensure compliance with US law as we roll out improvements to SourceForge.net, we began programmatically blocking access to the site for users in certain countries against which the US government imposes sanctions.
`Sanctions` are acts of WAR
So private corporations assist in illegal types of warfare by the US goverment which is legally owned by the deepest pockets.
How can SourceForge allow project admins to circumvent this law that provides for teh safety of all scared american peeple?
I mean, first it is law and now the project admin, who can be non-american -terrorist?- , can decide?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063620</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>bws111</author>
	<datestamp>1265660640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are 100\% wrong.   First, the export controls are not simply 'ok to export freely and not ok to export to country x'.  The controls are 'export license required' and 'no license required'.  If you are developing something that is export controlled, and you wish to export it (including putting on an open server), you must obtain a license.  That license will state the terms under which it may be exported, and who it may be exported to.  If your license says it is OK to export to Germany, it will probably also require you to get a statement from the receiver that says they will not re-export it.  If your licensed export finds it's way somewhere it shouldn't, YOU are who they are coming after, and you better have all your documentation when they do.
</p><p>Also, don't delude yourself into thinking that they have to 'prove' anyone from a restricted country downloaded it to prosecute you.  Just putting it on an open server is exporting it.
</p><p>Having said all that, the list of restricted types of software is very small, and not likely to be something you would find on SourceForge.  This mostly involves things that could be used for real-time control of weapons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are 100 \ % wrong .
First , the export controls are not simply 'ok to export freely and not ok to export to country x' .
The controls are 'export license required ' and 'no license required' .
If you are developing something that is export controlled , and you wish to export it ( including putting on an open server ) , you must obtain a license .
That license will state the terms under which it may be exported , and who it may be exported to .
If your license says it is OK to export to Germany , it will probably also require you to get a statement from the receiver that says they will not re-export it .
If your licensed export finds it 's way somewhere it should n't , YOU are who they are coming after , and you better have all your documentation when they do .
Also , do n't delude yourself into thinking that they have to 'prove ' anyone from a restricted country downloaded it to prosecute you .
Just putting it on an open server is exporting it .
Having said all that , the list of restricted types of software is very small , and not likely to be something you would find on SourceForge .
This mostly involves things that could be used for real-time control of weapons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are 100\% wrong.
First, the export controls are not simply 'ok to export freely and not ok to export to country x'.
The controls are 'export license required' and 'no license required'.
If you are developing something that is export controlled, and you wish to export it (including putting on an open server), you must obtain a license.
That license will state the terms under which it may be exported, and who it may be exported to.
If your license says it is OK to export to Germany, it will probably also require you to get a statement from the receiver that says they will not re-export it.
If your licensed export finds it's way somewhere it shouldn't, YOU are who they are coming after, and you better have all your documentation when they do.
Also, don't delude yourself into thinking that they have to 'prove' anyone from a restricted country downloaded it to prosecute you.
Just putting it on an open server is exporting it.
Having said all that, the list of restricted types of software is very small, and not likely to be something you would find on SourceForge.
This mostly involves things that could be used for real-time control of weapons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062744</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062806</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1265656800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As was said many times in the original article, the issue is the country the business is based in and the laws there.  It doesn't matter one ounce where the servers are located.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As was said many times in the original article , the issue is the country the business is based in and the laws there .
It does n't matter one ounce where the servers are located .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As was said many times in the original article, the issue is the country the business is based in and the laws there.
It doesn't matter one ounce where the servers are located.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062016</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265652780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was getting kinda chilly, and my blanket allows me to remain warmer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was getting kinda chilly , and my blanket allows me to remain warmer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was getting kinda chilly, and my blanket allows me to remain warmer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063650</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265660760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's exactly what I expected this to be all about. Unfortunately, it's not. Fuck the US foreign policy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's exactly what I expected this to be all about .
Unfortunately , it 's not .
Fuck the US foreign policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's exactly what I expected this to be all about.
Unfortunately, it's not.
Fuck the US foreign policy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31064218</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>jittles</author>
	<datestamp>1265620440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the issue at hand is that Sourceforge's corporate overlord is based out of the US.  I'm pretty sure if they break any of the rules in ITAR (I believe encryption is considered to be a weapon) then they could be held liable.  Even if they host everything out of the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the issue at hand is that Sourceforge 's corporate overlord is based out of the US .
I 'm pretty sure if they break any of the rules in ITAR ( I believe encryption is considered to be a weapon ) then they could be held liable .
Even if they host everything out of the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the issue at hand is that Sourceforge's corporate overlord is based out of the US.
I'm pretty sure if they break any of the rules in ITAR (I believe encryption is considered to be a weapon) then they could be held liable.
Even if they host everything out of the US.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062922</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265657280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a Canadian locked out of Hulu and Comedy Central's web clips</p></div><p>Maybe I'm thinking of something different, but at least from Belgium I can perfectly watch all of Comedy Central's shows that they put online (The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, South Park, Drawn Together,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...), and everything linked on http://www.comedycentral.com . Hulu is another matter...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Canadian locked out of Hulu and Comedy Central 's web clipsMaybe I 'm thinking of something different , but at least from Belgium I can perfectly watch all of Comedy Central 's shows that they put online ( The Daily Show , The Colbert Report , South Park , Drawn Together , ... ) , and everything linked on http : //www.comedycentral.com .
Hulu is another matter.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Canadian locked out of Hulu and Comedy Central's web clipsMaybe I'm thinking of something different, but at least from Belgium I can perfectly watch all of Comedy Central's shows that they put online (The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, South Park, Drawn Together, ...), and everything linked on http://www.comedycentral.com .
Hulu is another matter...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062212</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062236</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265653920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can code. I am not american. I am not a lawyer. People are downloading from local mirrors, not from USA. How can i say if the project should be restricted or not?</p><p>Why does the USA government not build a firewall to prevent exporting any American byte to the restricted list?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can code .
I am not american .
I am not a lawyer .
People are downloading from local mirrors , not from USA .
How can i say if the project should be restricted or not ? Why does the USA government not build a firewall to prevent exporting any American byte to the restricted list ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can code.
I am not american.
I am not a lawyer.
People are downloading from local mirrors, not from USA.
How can i say if the project should be restricted or not?Why does the USA government not build a firewall to prevent exporting any American byte to the restricted list?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062394</id>
	<title>It is for these reasons...</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1265654880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that projects such as TOR and Freenet exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that projects such as TOR and Freenet exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that projects such as TOR and Freenet exist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062590</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>stupid Australian.</htmltext>
<tokenext>stupid Australian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stupid Australian.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062112</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062226</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265653860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does this requires "mates" in another country? Can't they just go through a proxy server in another country?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does this requires " mates " in another country ?
Ca n't they just go through a proxy server in another country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does this requires "mates" in another country?
Can't they just go through a proxy server in another country?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062112</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062212</id>
	<title>Hmmm</title>
	<author>mewsenews</author>
	<datestamp>1265653740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Canadian locked out of Hulu and Comedy Central's web clips, I wish geolocation based on IP would burn in hell already.</p><p>That being said:</p><p>There was a Syrian developer commenting on the story about the original announcement, he was justifiably pissed off that Sourceforge had decided to deny him access to his own work. Does this change allow him to work on his project in peace?</p><p>Has Slashdot decided to stop mentioning that Sourceforge is owned by the same parent company? They're sure trying to do some damage control by going straight to Slashdot's front page with their weird opt-in workaround..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Canadian locked out of Hulu and Comedy Central 's web clips , I wish geolocation based on IP would burn in hell already.That being said : There was a Syrian developer commenting on the story about the original announcement , he was justifiably pissed off that Sourceforge had decided to deny him access to his own work .
Does this change allow him to work on his project in peace ? Has Slashdot decided to stop mentioning that Sourceforge is owned by the same parent company ?
They 're sure trying to do some damage control by going straight to Slashdot 's front page with their weird opt-in workaround. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Canadian locked out of Hulu and Comedy Central's web clips, I wish geolocation based on IP would burn in hell already.That being said:There was a Syrian developer commenting on the story about the original announcement, he was justifiably pissed off that Sourceforge had decided to deny him access to his own work.
Does this change allow him to work on his project in peace?Has Slashdot decided to stop mentioning that Sourceforge is owned by the same parent company?
They're sure trying to do some damage control by going straight to Slashdot's front page with their weird opt-in workaround..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31066072</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>2short</author>
	<datestamp>1265627700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>If we assume the purpose was to enlarge government bureaucracy, than it's ineffective because it hasn't much.  The compliance burden is all on the developers. Ditto if the purpose is to harass O.S. developers, because it really only causes much problem for commercial encryption software, which is generally closed source.<br><br>So the answer to "How is it ineffective?" is pretty much the same whether you assume it's overt purpose, or one of your supposed hidden ones.<br><br>The answer to "How is it stupid?" does not depend on its purpose, unless you think its purpose is to make US commercial encryption software makers marginally less competitive, which even your cynicism level does not seem to claim.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we assume the purpose was to enlarge government bureaucracy , than it 's ineffective because it has n't much .
The compliance burden is all on the developers .
Ditto if the purpose is to harass O.S .
developers , because it really only causes much problem for commercial encryption software , which is generally closed source.So the answer to " How is it ineffective ?
" is pretty much the same whether you assume it 's overt purpose , or one of your supposed hidden ones.The answer to " How is it stupid ?
" does not depend on its purpose , unless you think its purpose is to make US commercial encryption software makers marginally less competitive , which even your cynicism level does not seem to claim .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we assume the purpose was to enlarge government bureaucracy, than it's ineffective because it hasn't much.
The compliance burden is all on the developers.
Ditto if the purpose is to harass O.S.
developers, because it really only causes much problem for commercial encryption software, which is generally closed source.So the answer to "How is it ineffective?
" is pretty much the same whether you assume it's overt purpose, or one of your supposed hidden ones.The answer to "How is it stupid?
" does not depend on its purpose, unless you think its purpose is to make US commercial encryption software makers marginally less competitive, which even your cynicism level does not seem to claim.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063074</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063862</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1265661840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Source forge was blocking downloads by <a href="http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jul2009/9/4/blanket-sifr-image-2-76172847.jpg" title="mirror.co.uk">Blanket Jackson</a> [mirror.co.uk]??? I didn't even know he was an open source hacker! He doesn't really look old enough...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Source forge was blocking downloads by Blanket Jackson [ mirror.co.uk ] ? ? ?
I did n't even know he was an open source hacker !
He does n't really look old enough.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Source forge was blocking downloads by Blanket Jackson [mirror.co.uk]???
I didn't even know he was an open source hacker!
He doesn't really look old enough...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062744</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1265656560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IANAL, but I believe any US developer will then have to completely censor the code they upload to those servers. Though, I'm sure it'd be fine if a US developer gave a German developer the code to upload to said offshore servers, but it might still be a violation if the US developer uploaded it himself.</p><p>Of course, proving that the code was downloaded by the "bad" people in the "bad" countries will be up to the government, but since Sourceforge is a US company, they'd suddenly be liable for the records.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL , but I believe any US developer will then have to completely censor the code they upload to those servers .
Though , I 'm sure it 'd be fine if a US developer gave a German developer the code to upload to said offshore servers , but it might still be a violation if the US developer uploaded it himself.Of course , proving that the code was downloaded by the " bad " people in the " bad " countries will be up to the government , but since Sourceforge is a US company , they 'd suddenly be liable for the records .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL, but I believe any US developer will then have to completely censor the code they upload to those servers.
Though, I'm sure it'd be fine if a US developer gave a German developer the code to upload to said offshore servers, but it might still be a violation if the US developer uploaded it himself.Of course, proving that the code was downloaded by the "bad" people in the "bad" countries will be up to the government, but since Sourceforge is a US company, they'd suddenly be liable for the records.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062360</id>
	<title>Dump sourceforge</title>
	<author>starsong</author>
	<datestamp>1265654700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why the hell does anyone even use SourceForge anymore?  Their tools suck, the site is beyond slow and plastered with ads, and you have to play download roulette with their crappy 90s-era mirroring system. Plus you get crazy decrees like this from whatever's going on at the top.  It's not like there aren't alternatives these days.  Google Code is awesome by comparison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why the hell does anyone even use SourceForge anymore ?
Their tools suck , the site is beyond slow and plastered with ads , and you have to play download roulette with their crappy 90s-era mirroring system .
Plus you get crazy decrees like this from whatever 's going on at the top .
It 's not like there are n't alternatives these days .
Google Code is awesome by comparison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why the hell does anyone even use SourceForge anymore?
Their tools suck, the site is beyond slow and plastered with ads, and you have to play download roulette with their crappy 90s-era mirroring system.
Plus you get crazy decrees like this from whatever's going on at the top.
It's not like there aren't alternatives these days.
Google Code is awesome by comparison.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062828</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265656860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More interestingly, can I check a checkbox indicating the project not to be hosted *in* the US? Or to be accessible to people in the US? So as to not be liable under US CYA laws?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More interestingly , can I check a checkbox indicating the project not to be hosted * in * the US ?
Or to be accessible to people in the US ?
So as to not be liable under US CYA laws ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More interestingly, can I check a checkbox indicating the project not to be hosted *in* the US?
Or to be accessible to people in the US?
So as to not be liable under US CYA laws?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062236</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062804</id>
	<title>Re:And these restrictions makes so much sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265656800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because we all know that North Korea has no way to get access to any servers outside North Korea.</p></div><p>I wouldn't worry about that since <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_in\_North\_Korea" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">North Korea basically has no Internet</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we all know that North Korea has no way to get access to any servers outside North Korea.I would n't worry about that since North Korea basically has no Internet [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we all know that North Korea has no way to get access to any servers outside North Korea.I wouldn't worry about that since North Korea basically has no Internet [wikipedia.org].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063246</id>
	<title>Reality Check</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265658840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The number one reason why this is *very* much ado about nothing is that the projects the U.S. Government would have any interest in AT ALL are novel and strong encryption schemes.  To satisfy both novel and strong conditions puts one into a *very* small and elite group.</p><p>Sure, there are many projects that implement standard/weak/known encryption.  That's completely different than a project that implements legitimately novel AND strong to the point of piquing the interest of the BIS/spooks.  I don't know for sure, but zrtp might be an example.</p><p>An American company can export  SSL/TLS/PKI and similar, crypto products without ever drawing the interest of the BIS.  I guess at some point in distant history, this was not the case.  As someone that actually worked with the BIS on getting encryption export compliance it has been easy for a long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The number one reason why this is * very * much ado about nothing is that the projects the U.S. Government would have any interest in AT ALL are novel and strong encryption schemes .
To satisfy both novel and strong conditions puts one into a * very * small and elite group.Sure , there are many projects that implement standard/weak/known encryption .
That 's completely different than a project that implements legitimately novel AND strong to the point of piquing the interest of the BIS/spooks .
I do n't know for sure , but zrtp might be an example.An American company can export SSL/TLS/PKI and similar , crypto products without ever drawing the interest of the BIS .
I guess at some point in distant history , this was not the case .
As someone that actually worked with the BIS on getting encryption export compliance it has been easy for a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The number one reason why this is *very* much ado about nothing is that the projects the U.S. Government would have any interest in AT ALL are novel and strong encryption schemes.
To satisfy both novel and strong conditions puts one into a *very* small and elite group.Sure, there are many projects that implement standard/weak/known encryption.
That's completely different than a project that implements legitimately novel AND strong to the point of piquing the interest of the BIS/spooks.
I don't know for sure, but zrtp might be an example.An American company can export  SSL/TLS/PKI and similar, crypto products without ever drawing the interest of the BIS.
I guess at some point in distant history, this was not the case.
As someone that actually worked with the BIS on getting encryption export compliance it has been easy for a long time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063180</id>
	<title>I just wish ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265658480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they would stop exporting all this crap television.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they would stop exporting all this crap television .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they would stop exporting all this crap television.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31124418</id>
	<title>Re:Dump sourceforge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265997000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah awesome but not for banned countries, not for me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah awesome but not for banned countries , not for me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah awesome but not for banned countries, not for me!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062360</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062458</id>
	<title>Re:Dump sourceforge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What ads?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; -Firefox with AdBlock Plus user</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ads ?
    -Firefox with AdBlock Plus user</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What ads?
    -Firefox with AdBlock Plus user</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062360</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31067316</id>
	<title>No blanket blocking!</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1265634600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damnit, I need my blanket to keep warm!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damnit , I need my blanket to keep warm !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damnit, I need my blanket to keep warm!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062112</id>
	<title>This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>frinkacheese</author>
	<datestamp>1265653260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is dumb. The terrorists will just get their mates in another country to get whatever it is they want.</p><p>Only the kind of stupid Americans that though that restricting the export of encryption technology would actually work would think of this. What happened there? They all got it anyway.</p><p>What exactly do they hope to achieve with this stupidity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is dumb .
The terrorists will just get their mates in another country to get whatever it is they want.Only the kind of stupid Americans that though that restricting the export of encryption technology would actually work would think of this .
What happened there ?
They all got it anyway.What exactly do they hope to achieve with this stupidity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is dumb.
The terrorists will just get their mates in another country to get whatever it is they want.Only the kind of stupid Americans that though that restricting the export of encryption technology would actually work would think of this.
What happened there?
They all got it anyway.What exactly do they hope to achieve with this stupidity?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062312</id>
	<title>The right thing to do :)</title>
	<author>neo00</author>
	<datestamp>1265654340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great news, and this is a brave thing to do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
Blindly blocking all SF projects to some people was wrong. I said this before, US export laws should only apply to US products. OpenSource/Free software projects should stay "open" and "free/libre" to everybody. Those who worked hard on these projects, including developers from the banned countries, should have the right to decide whether their projects should be blocked or not.
Some said the law applies to SF just because they host the projects. If the law was strict to this level then the whole internet should be banned to these countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great news , and this is a brave thing to do : ) Blindly blocking all SF projects to some people was wrong .
I said this before , US export laws should only apply to US products .
OpenSource/Free software projects should stay " open " and " free/libre " to everybody .
Those who worked hard on these projects , including developers from the banned countries , should have the right to decide whether their projects should be blocked or not .
Some said the law applies to SF just because they host the projects .
If the law was strict to this level then the whole internet should be banned to these countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great news, and this is a brave thing to do :)
Blindly blocking all SF projects to some people was wrong.
I said this before, US export laws should only apply to US products.
OpenSource/Free software projects should stay "open" and "free/libre" to everybody.
Those who worked hard on these projects, including developers from the banned countries, should have the right to decide whether their projects should be blocked or not.
Some said the law applies to SF just because they host the projects.
If the law was strict to this level then the whole internet should be banned to these countries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062994</id>
	<title>Stupid options, need CowboyMcNeal</title>
	<author>Lorens</author>
	<datestamp>1265657580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The choices are</p><p>1) This project does NOT incorporate, access, call upon, or otherwise use encryption of any kind, including, but not limited to, open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform.</p><p>and</p><p>2) This project DOES incorporate, access, call upon or otherwise use encryption. Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number "ECCN" 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in: <a href="http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html" title="doc.gov">http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html</a> [doc.gov] and Section 740.13(e) of the Export Administration Regulations ("EAR") 15 C.F.R. Parts 730-772.</p><p>My project FileUniq is plain python, and executes a call to "md5" in order to get a hash. Obtaining a python library that provides the md5 function is not even described in the documentation, but I definitely do make a call to encryption in the underlying platform. However, I firmly believe that the U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security will not appreciate my TSU notification.</p><p>Maybe Sourceforge actually wants to overwhelm the BIS with useless submissions?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The choices are1 ) This project does NOT incorporate , access , call upon , or otherwise use encryption of any kind , including , but not limited to , open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform.and2 ) This project DOES incorporate , access , call upon or otherwise use encryption .
Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number " ECCN " 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in : http : //www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html [ doc.gov ] and Section 740.13 ( e ) of the Export Administration Regulations ( " EAR " ) 15 C.F.R .
Parts 730-772.My project FileUniq is plain python , and executes a call to " md5 " in order to get a hash .
Obtaining a python library that provides the md5 function is not even described in the documentation , but I definitely do make a call to encryption in the underlying platform .
However , I firmly believe that the U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security will not appreciate my TSU notification.Maybe Sourceforge actually wants to overwhelm the BIS with useless submissions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The choices are1) This project does NOT incorporate, access, call upon, or otherwise use encryption of any kind, including, but not limited to, open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform.and2) This project DOES incorporate, access, call upon or otherwise use encryption.
Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number "ECCN" 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in: http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html [doc.gov] and Section 740.13(e) of the Export Administration Regulations ("EAR") 15 C.F.R.
Parts 730-772.My project FileUniq is plain python, and executes a call to "md5" in order to get a hash.
Obtaining a python library that provides the md5 function is not even described in the documentation, but I definitely do make a call to encryption in the underlying platform.
However, I firmly believe that the U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security will not appreciate my TSU notification.Maybe Sourceforge actually wants to overwhelm the BIS with useless submissions?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063136</id>
	<title>Will this work?</title>
	<author>dtmos</author>
	<datestamp>1265658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess SourceForge has vetted this process with its attorneys, but I must be missing something.  If a project admin opens up his project's block, he's personally criminally liable should some citizen of a country on the <a href="http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/740spir.pdf" title="gpo.gov">wrong list</a> [gpo.gov] see a controlled technology from one of SourceForge's servers.  That's scary enough for US citizens residing in the US.  However, SourceForge doesn't provide the admins (AFAIK) with any export control training, or even vet their citizenship; an admin in Syria, with Syrian citizenship, who did this would seem to be out of reach of the US, which would then fall back to SourceForge, since it did not control access to the technology on its servers.  Unless SourceForge has now asked to see citizenship papers of each of its project admins<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ?</p><p>This problem covers all sorts of technology far beyond encryption but, just to continue the encryption example, there is a little note on p. 7 of <a href="http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/ccl5-pt2.pdf" title="gpo.gov">Category 5 (Part 2:  Information Security)</a> [gpo.gov] of the <a href="http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/ear\_data.html" title="gpo.gov">Commerce Control List</a> [gpo.gov]:</p><blockquote><div><p> <em> <strong>License Requirement Note:</strong> When a person performs or provides technical assistance that incorporates, or otherwise draws upon, &ldquo;technology&rdquo; that was either obtained in the United States or is of US-origin, then a release of the &ldquo;technology&rdquo; takes place. Such technical assistance, when rendered with the intent to aid in the &ldquo;development&rdquo; or &ldquo;production&rdquo; of encryption commodities or software that would be controlled for &ldquo;EI&rdquo; reasons under ECCN 5A002 or 5D002.a or 5D002.c, may require authorization under the EAR even if the underlying encryption algorithm to be implemented is from the public domain or is not of U.S. origin.</em></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess SourceForge has vetted this process with its attorneys , but I must be missing something .
If a project admin opens up his project 's block , he 's personally criminally liable should some citizen of a country on the wrong list [ gpo.gov ] see a controlled technology from one of SourceForge 's servers .
That 's scary enough for US citizens residing in the US .
However , SourceForge does n't provide the admins ( AFAIK ) with any export control training , or even vet their citizenship ; an admin in Syria , with Syrian citizenship , who did this would seem to be out of reach of the US , which would then fall back to SourceForge , since it did not control access to the technology on its servers .
Unless SourceForge has now asked to see citizenship papers of each of its project admins ... ? This problem covers all sorts of technology far beyond encryption but , just to continue the encryption example , there is a little note on p. 7 of Category 5 ( Part 2 : Information Security ) [ gpo.gov ] of the Commerce Control List [ gpo.gov ] : License Requirement Note : When a person performs or provides technical assistance that incorporates , or otherwise draws upon ,    technology    that was either obtained in the United States or is of US-origin , then a release of the    technology    takes place .
Such technical assistance , when rendered with the intent to aid in the    development    or    production    of encryption commodities or software that would be controlled for    EI    reasons under ECCN 5A002 or 5D002.a or 5D002.c , may require authorization under the EAR even if the underlying encryption algorithm to be implemented is from the public domain or is not of U.S. origin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess SourceForge has vetted this process with its attorneys, but I must be missing something.
If a project admin opens up his project's block, he's personally criminally liable should some citizen of a country on the wrong list [gpo.gov] see a controlled technology from one of SourceForge's servers.
That's scary enough for US citizens residing in the US.
However, SourceForge doesn't provide the admins (AFAIK) with any export control training, or even vet their citizenship; an admin in Syria, with Syrian citizenship, who did this would seem to be out of reach of the US, which would then fall back to SourceForge, since it did not control access to the technology on its servers.
Unless SourceForge has now asked to see citizenship papers of each of its project admins ... ?This problem covers all sorts of technology far beyond encryption but, just to continue the encryption example, there is a little note on p. 7 of Category 5 (Part 2:  Information Security) [gpo.gov] of the Commerce Control List [gpo.gov]:  License Requirement Note: When a person performs or provides technical assistance that incorporates, or otherwise draws upon, “technology” that was either obtained in the United States or is of US-origin, then a release of the “technology” takes place.
Such technical assistance, when rendered with the intent to aid in the “development” or “production” of encryption commodities or software that would be controlled for “EI” reasons under ECCN 5A002 or 5D002.a or 5D002.c, may require authorization under the EAR even if the underlying encryption algorithm to be implemented is from the public domain or is not of U.S. origin. 
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062080</id>
	<title>Re:Liability?</title>
	<author>snmpkid</author>
	<datestamp>1265653080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Likely both</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Likely both</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Likely both</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063724</id>
	<title>Re:The right thing to do :)</title>
	<author>SwashbucklingCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1265661180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Some said the law applies to SF just because they host the projects. If the law was strict to this level then the whole internet should be banned to these countries."</p><p>The law IS that strict.  And no, the whole internet should not be banned.  This is about encryption, not information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Some said the law applies to SF just because they host the projects .
If the law was strict to this level then the whole internet should be banned to these countries .
" The law IS that strict .
And no , the whole internet should not be banned .
This is about encryption , not information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Some said the law applies to SF just because they host the projects.
If the law was strict to this level then the whole internet should be banned to these countries.
"The law IS that strict.
And no, the whole internet should not be banned.
This is about encryption, not information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062312</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31064896</id>
	<title>Re:Liability?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265623320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just curious, is there an offshore version of SourceForge?  Do the mirrors cover liability?  I can see issues where it may not be an issue in other parts of the world, but since the project is stored on (or replicated to) US servers (?), it may fall foul of US export rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just curious , is there an offshore version of SourceForge ?
Do the mirrors cover liability ?
I can see issues where it may not be an issue in other parts of the world , but since the project is stored on ( or replicated to ) US servers ( ?
) , it may fall foul of US export rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just curious, is there an offshore version of SourceForge?
Do the mirrors cover liability?
I can see issues where it may not be an issue in other parts of the world, but since the project is stored on (or replicated to) US servers (?
), it may fall foul of US export rules.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063066</id>
	<title>Re:war</title>
	<author>SwashbucklingCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1265657940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"`Sanctions` are acts of WAR"</p><p>Don't be silly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ` Sanctions ` are acts of WAR " Do n't be silly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"`Sanctions` are acts of WAR"Don't be silly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062768</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063266</id>
	<title>Counterproductive laws</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1265658960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The USA is squandering some of its technological lead and economic opportunities with dumb-ass laws.</p><p>I've already had to stop hosting several online businesses in the US due to the patriot act and international customers' unwillingness to have there data stored in the US.</p><p>Stem cell research was set back a decade by Christian fundamentalist opposition making its way into<br>federal law.</p><p>Laws restricting export of US software just result in software being innovated faster elsewhere.</p><p>As Freeman Dyson once said: The best way to defeat soviet communism would be to ship Apple computers to their population en masse. He was basically right, though who knew it would be cloned PCs that would do the trick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The USA is squandering some of its technological lead and economic opportunities with dumb-ass laws.I 've already had to stop hosting several online businesses in the US due to the patriot act and international customers ' unwillingness to have there data stored in the US.Stem cell research was set back a decade by Christian fundamentalist opposition making its way intofederal law.Laws restricting export of US software just result in software being innovated faster elsewhere.As Freeman Dyson once said : The best way to defeat soviet communism would be to ship Apple computers to their population en masse .
He was basically right , though who knew it would be cloned PCs that would do the trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USA is squandering some of its technological lead and economic opportunities with dumb-ass laws.I've already had to stop hosting several online businesses in the US due to the patriot act and international customers' unwillingness to have there data stored in the US.Stem cell research was set back a decade by Christian fundamentalist opposition making its way intofederal law.Laws restricting export of US software just result in software being innovated faster elsewhere.As Freeman Dyson once said: The best way to defeat soviet communism would be to ship Apple computers to their population en masse.
He was basically right, though who knew it would be cloned PCs that would do the trick.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31064090</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1265619840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The hope to avoid liability and at the same time have a "wink wink, nudge nudge" kind of situation like those codecs you're not <em> supposed to have</em> in Linux in certain countries unless you bend over and pay your license fee, you cock smoking tea baggers?</p><p>Seriously it is no different than the codecs you're not supposed to have in Linux, that everyone has anyway, or the DVD rippers you aren't supposed to use in the USA, which of course everyone...well you get the idea. YOU know it is bullshit, I know it is bullshit, but some damned pencil pusher came up with a law that the Internet makes less than worthless but it is still a law, hence the hoop jumping. Deity forbid that anyone should have common sense when it comes to the law and the Internet. I always thought that export ban was as ridiculous as the ban on game consoles, saying the would be used for weapons research, when we all know they could just show up in China with a suitcase full of cash and probably get any hardware they wanted straight from the factory.</p><p>

it is just another example of the USA acting like the global black market doesn't exist or that information in the age of the Internet can be neatly locked away. Kinda like how we pretend China is our friend while they try to "Haxorz teh planet!!! LOL!". Just the same political bullshit, different day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hope to avoid liability and at the same time have a " wink wink , nudge nudge " kind of situation like those codecs you 're not supposed to have in Linux in certain countries unless you bend over and pay your license fee , you cock smoking tea baggers ? Seriously it is no different than the codecs you 're not supposed to have in Linux , that everyone has anyway , or the DVD rippers you are n't supposed to use in the USA , which of course everyone...well you get the idea .
YOU know it is bullshit , I know it is bullshit , but some damned pencil pusher came up with a law that the Internet makes less than worthless but it is still a law , hence the hoop jumping .
Deity forbid that anyone should have common sense when it comes to the law and the Internet .
I always thought that export ban was as ridiculous as the ban on game consoles , saying the would be used for weapons research , when we all know they could just show up in China with a suitcase full of cash and probably get any hardware they wanted straight from the factory .
it is just another example of the USA acting like the global black market does n't exist or that information in the age of the Internet can be neatly locked away .
Kinda like how we pretend China is our friend while they try to " Haxorz teh planet ! ! !
LOL ! " . Just the same political bullshit , different day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hope to avoid liability and at the same time have a "wink wink, nudge nudge" kind of situation like those codecs you're not  supposed to have in Linux in certain countries unless you bend over and pay your license fee, you cock smoking tea baggers?Seriously it is no different than the codecs you're not supposed to have in Linux, that everyone has anyway, or the DVD rippers you aren't supposed to use in the USA, which of course everyone...well you get the idea.
YOU know it is bullshit, I know it is bullshit, but some damned pencil pusher came up with a law that the Internet makes less than worthless but it is still a law, hence the hoop jumping.
Deity forbid that anyone should have common sense when it comes to the law and the Internet.
I always thought that export ban was as ridiculous as the ban on game consoles, saying the would be used for weapons research, when we all know they could just show up in China with a suitcase full of cash and probably get any hardware they wanted straight from the factory.
it is just another example of the USA acting like the global black market doesn't exist or that information in the age of the Internet can be neatly locked away.
Kinda like how we pretend China is our friend while they try to "Haxorz teh planet!!!
LOL!". Just the same political bullshit, different day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062460</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Canadian locked out of Hulu</i></p><p>Allowing Canadians to watch Hulu would be letting the terrorists win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Canadian locked out of HuluAllowing Canadians to watch Hulu would be letting the terrorists win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canadian locked out of HuluAllowing Canadians to watch Hulu would be letting the terrorists win.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062212</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063042</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1265657820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why does the USA government not build a firewall to prevent exporting any American byte to the restricted list?</p></div>

</blockquote><p>Have you got a list of the restricted bytes? Actually, it'd be simpler if you just listed which bits are restricted, 0s, 1s, or possibly both...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the USA government not build a firewall to prevent exporting any American byte to the restricted list ?
Have you got a list of the restricted bytes ?
Actually , it 'd be simpler if you just listed which bits are restricted , 0s , 1s , or possibly both.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the USA government not build a firewall to prevent exporting any American byte to the restricted list?
Have you got a list of the restricted bytes?
Actually, it'd be simpler if you just listed which bits are restricted, 0s, 1s, or possibly both...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062236</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31068750</id>
	<title>Re:Dump sourceforge</title>
	<author>isilrion</author>
	<datestamp>1265650080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Google Code is awesome by comparison.</p></div><p>Nice that you mention it... I usually warn people to stay away from Google Code because they also block these countries. A lot of the times, the developers who put the code there (and sometimes are not from the US) are not even aware that their code is inaccessible.</p><p>For a long time, Google Code was<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/the worst/ code hosting site available for me. Now, SF sunk to their level. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google Code is awesome by comparison.Nice that you mention it... I usually warn people to stay away from Google Code because they also block these countries .
A lot of the times , the developers who put the code there ( and sometimes are not from the US ) are not even aware that their code is inaccessible.For a long time , Google Code was /the worst/ code hosting site available for me .
Now , SF sunk to their level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google Code is awesome by comparison.Nice that you mention it... I usually warn people to stay away from Google Code because they also block these countries.
A lot of the times, the developers who put the code there (and sometimes are not from the US) are not even aware that their code is inaccessible.For a long time, Google Code was /the worst/ code hosting site available for me.
Now, SF sunk to their level. 
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062128</id>
	<title>Re:Liability?</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1265653320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a wink, and probably both.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a wink , and probably both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a wink, and probably both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062474</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Timothy Brownawell</author>
	<datestamp>1265655360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not simply host the servers in a country that doesn't have brain-dead restrictions on the "export" of ones and zeros? One that doesn't classify encryption/decryption code as a "munition"?</p></div><p>I'd imagine that not working too well if the company responsible is still located in the US. Hm, maybe if the non-US servers wouldn't accept uploads from US IP addresses?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that does n't have brain-dead restrictions on the " export " of ones and zeros ?
One that does n't classify encryption/decryption code as a " munition " ? I 'd imagine that not working too well if the company responsible is still located in the US .
Hm , maybe if the non-US servers would n't accept uploads from US IP addresses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that doesn't have brain-dead restrictions on the "export" of ones and zeros?
One that doesn't classify encryption/decryption code as a "munition"?I'd imagine that not working too well if the company responsible is still located in the US.
Hm, maybe if the non-US servers wouldn't accept uploads from US IP addresses?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062254</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265654040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are complying with the law.  Certainly, what they are doing is stupid and will be completely ineffective.  But that's hard to avoid when complying with a law that is stupid and completely ineffective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are complying with the law .
Certainly , what they are doing is stupid and will be completely ineffective .
But that 's hard to avoid when complying with a law that is stupid and completely ineffective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are complying with the law.
Certainly, what they are doing is stupid and will be completely ineffective.
But that's hard to avoid when complying with a law that is stupid and completely ineffective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062450</id>
	<title>Stupid, stupid law</title>
	<author>bcmm</author>
	<datestamp>1265655180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The USA has compiled a list of the countries it considers most repressive, and attempted to forbid the citizens of those countries from using encrypted communications... I don't think the governments on that list mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The USA has compiled a list of the countries it considers most repressive , and attempted to forbid the citizens of those countries from using encrypted communications... I do n't think the governments on that list mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USA has compiled a list of the countries it considers most repressive, and attempted to forbid the citizens of those countries from using encrypted communications... I don't think the governments on that list mind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063144</id>
	<title>Because simple site blocking...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265658300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...will stop those terrorists from getting their hands on PGP...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...will stop those terrorists from getting their hands on PGP.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...will stop those terrorists from getting their hands on PGP...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062276</id>
	<title>And these restrictions makes so much sense</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1265654160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah. These restrictions make so much sense. Because we all know that North Korea has no way to get access to any servers outside North Korea. And no one can use a proxy server at all. And they really are going to be absolutely helpless without the tiny open-source projects. This is as ridiculous as the old restrictions on exporting encryption (at least those got removed a few years ago).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
These restrictions make so much sense .
Because we all know that North Korea has no way to get access to any servers outside North Korea .
And no one can use a proxy server at all .
And they really are going to be absolutely helpless without the tiny open-source projects .
This is as ridiculous as the old restrictions on exporting encryption ( at least those got removed a few years ago ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
These restrictions make so much sense.
Because we all know that North Korea has no way to get access to any servers outside North Korea.
And no one can use a proxy server at all.
And they really are going to be absolutely helpless without the tiny open-source projects.
This is as ridiculous as the old restrictions on exporting encryption (at least those got removed a few years ago).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062426</id>
	<title>Important Internet Reminder:  Remember</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to encrypt EVERYTHING !!!</p><p>Google wants to "do no evil" for the N.S.A.</p><p>Yours In Astrakhan,<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCa0AHKCqxE" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow"> Kilgore Trout </a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to encrypt EVERYTHING ! !
! Google wants to " do no evil " for the N.S.A.Yours In Astrakhan , Kilgore Trout [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to encrypt EVERYTHING !!
!Google wants to "do no evil" for the N.S.A.Yours In Astrakhan, Kilgore Trout  [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063074</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1265658000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But that's hard to avoid when complying with a law that is stupid and completely ineffective.</p></div><p>How is it stupid and ineffective if the purpose was to enlarge/preserve the great American bureaucracy and secondarily harass O.S. developers?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But that 's hard to avoid when complying with a law that is stupid and completely ineffective.How is it stupid and ineffective if the purpose was to enlarge/preserve the great American bureaucracy and secondarily harass O.S .
developers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that's hard to avoid when complying with a law that is stupid and completely ineffective.How is it stupid and ineffective if the purpose was to enlarge/preserve the great American bureaucracy and secondarily harass O.S.
developers?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062254</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062810</id>
	<title>Re:Dump sourceforge</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1265656800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not to mention, Subversion and CVS are sooo 90's.  I'm hugely a fan of github, their site is great, their people are awesomely responsive, and git itself just rocks.  With distributed version control you never have to worry about this sort of thing either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention , Subversion and CVS are sooo 90 's .
I 'm hugely a fan of github , their site is great , their people are awesomely responsive , and git itself just rocks .
With distributed version control you never have to worry about this sort of thing either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention, Subversion and CVS are sooo 90's.
I'm hugely a fan of github, their site is great, their people are awesomely responsive, and git itself just rocks.
With distributed version control you never have to worry about this sort of thing either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062360</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31067918</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>LingNoi</author>
	<datestamp>1265640240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There already is. It's called launchpad.net and it's free from:</p><p>- US software patent law<br>- stupid DMCA take downs ala battle net emulator<br>- this silly export law<br>- sourceforge's adverts which take up 40\% of the page</p><p>I don't know why anyone bothers using sourceforge anymore. It was great when it was the only solution but now there are MUCH better options. Especially now  they're blocking non-US connections.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There already is .
It 's called launchpad.net and it 's free from : - US software patent law- stupid DMCA take downs ala battle net emulator- this silly export law- sourceforge 's adverts which take up 40 \ % of the pageI do n't know why anyone bothers using sourceforge anymore .
It was great when it was the only solution but now there are MUCH better options .
Especially now they 're blocking non-US connections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already is.
It's called launchpad.net and it's free from:- US software patent law- stupid DMCA take downs ala battle net emulator- this silly export law- sourceforge's adverts which take up 40\% of the pageI don't know why anyone bothers using sourceforge anymore.
It was great when it was the only solution but now there are MUCH better options.
Especially now  they're blocking non-US connections.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31079928</id>
	<title>Re:Hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265718720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have friends in Canada and other places that want to use Hulu or other sites from time to time and can't, and it's annoying. However I kind of don't get pissed off about it, as it's their bandwidth they are giving away for free -- for (hopefully) some other benefit. Kind of like a car dealership in a small town having a pancake breakfast. Yes there are free pancakes, but they get to meet people in the area and setup connections and get the word out. If people are flying in from Canada to eat the pancakes, well, there'll never be any return on investment there, and if there is, I'd want it to go to the Canadian dealership that payed me and their government various amounts of money to be able to sell and distribute there. There isn't some great symbiotic relationship here where our government pays for bandwidth and canadians sometimes watch for free, and sometimes americans watch stuff out of canada for free (come on, you guys don't even watch your own shows) -- so for you to be watching for free, we have to pay for your sucking up the bandwidth. Sorry!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have friends in Canada and other places that want to use Hulu or other sites from time to time and ca n't , and it 's annoying .
However I kind of do n't get pissed off about it , as it 's their bandwidth they are giving away for free -- for ( hopefully ) some other benefit .
Kind of like a car dealership in a small town having a pancake breakfast .
Yes there are free pancakes , but they get to meet people in the area and setup connections and get the word out .
If people are flying in from Canada to eat the pancakes , well , there 'll never be any return on investment there , and if there is , I 'd want it to go to the Canadian dealership that payed me and their government various amounts of money to be able to sell and distribute there .
There is n't some great symbiotic relationship here where our government pays for bandwidth and canadians sometimes watch for free , and sometimes americans watch stuff out of canada for free ( come on , you guys do n't even watch your own shows ) -- so for you to be watching for free , we have to pay for your sucking up the bandwidth .
Sorry !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have friends in Canada and other places that want to use Hulu or other sites from time to time and can't, and it's annoying.
However I kind of don't get pissed off about it, as it's their bandwidth they are giving away for free -- for (hopefully) some other benefit.
Kind of like a car dealership in a small town having a pancake breakfast.
Yes there are free pancakes, but they get to meet people in the area and setup connections and get the word out.
If people are flying in from Canada to eat the pancakes, well, there'll never be any return on investment there, and if there is, I'd want it to go to the Canadian dealership that payed me and their government various amounts of money to be able to sell and distribute there.
There isn't some great symbiotic relationship here where our government pays for bandwidth and canadians sometimes watch for free, and sometimes americans watch stuff out of canada for free (come on, you guys don't even watch your own shows) -- so for you to be watching for free, we have to pay for your sucking up the bandwidth.
Sorry!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062212</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062032</id>
	<title>Liability?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265652840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they are letting people "opt in" to remove export controls. Who is liable if the code is subject to export restrictions, SF or the developer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they are letting people " opt in " to remove export controls .
Who is liable if the code is subject to export restrictions , SF or the developer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they are letting people "opt in" to remove export controls.
Who is liable if the code is subject to export restrictions, SF or the developer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31067396</id>
	<title>Adding regexps to foxyproxy is a daily task here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265635020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to give you an idea of how bad the situation is, here's a sample of domains that I *have* to access through TOR or proxies. I'm in Syria, and this is really just a sample<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<br>Note that:<br>amazon, facebook, youtube, skype, blogspot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... etc  are blocked by the Syrian authorities.<br>wikipedia.org is directly accessible but wikimedia.org is blocked!!!<br>sun downloads, googlecode<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and now sourceforge are allowed by the authorities here but the sites block all Syrian IPs.</p><p>amazon.com<br>anon.inf.tu-dresden.de<br>blogspot.com<br>code.google.com<br>dl.google.com<br>dlc-cdn.sun.com<br>dlc.sun.com<br>truveo.com<br>video.aol.com<br>facebook.com<br>googlecode.com<br>skype.com<br>tagged.com<br>wikimedia.com<br>youtube.com<br>all4syria.org<br>download.virtualbox.org<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to give you an idea of how bad the situation is , here 's a sample of domains that I * have * to access through TOR or proxies .
I 'm in Syria , and this is really just a sample ..Note that : amazon , facebook , youtube , skype , blogspot ... etc are blocked by the Syrian authorities.wikipedia.org is directly accessible but wikimedia.org is blocked ! !
! sun downloads , googlecode ... and now sourceforge are allowed by the authorities here but the sites block all Syrian IPs.amazon.comanon.inf.tu-dresden.deblogspot.comcode.google.comdl.google.comdlc-cdn.sun.comdlc.sun.comtruveo.comvideo.aol.comfacebook.comgooglecode.comskype.comtagged.comwikimedia.comyoutube.comall4syria.orgdownload.virtualbox.org .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to give you an idea of how bad the situation is, here's a sample of domains that I *have* to access through TOR or proxies.
I'm in Syria, and this is really just a sample ..Note that:amazon, facebook, youtube, skype, blogspot ... etc  are blocked by the Syrian authorities.wikipedia.org is directly accessible but wikimedia.org is blocked!!
!sun downloads, googlecode ... and now sourceforge are allowed by the authorities here but the sites block all Syrian IPs.amazon.comanon.inf.tu-dresden.deblogspot.comcode.google.comdl.google.comdlc-cdn.sun.comdlc.sun.comtruveo.comvideo.aol.comfacebook.comgooglecode.comskype.comtagged.comwikimedia.comyoutube.comall4syria.orgdownload.virtualbox.org ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31068090</id>
	<title>Re:Dump sourceforge</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1265642400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of my local ISPs, I can think of one which offers free access to google code, but they almost all mirror sourceforge for their customers. Free, fast, access is pretty appealing to project founders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of my local ISPs , I can think of one which offers free access to google code , but they almost all mirror sourceforge for their customers .
Free , fast , access is pretty appealing to project founders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of my local ISPs, I can think of one which offers free access to google code, but they almost all mirror sourceforge for their customers.
Free, fast, access is pretty appealing to project founders.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062360</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062472</id>
	<title>Debian has never found this sort of blocking...</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1265655360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...necessary.  Why has Source Forge suddenly decided that it is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...necessary .
Why has Source Forge suddenly decided that it is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...necessary.
Why has Source Forge suddenly decided that it is?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063410</id>
	<title>Because they distribute standard crypto</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1265659620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenSSL and PKI-integrated projects all use standard crypto libraries that are based on standard crypto technology.</p><p>The BIS's interest lies in novel and strong encryption schemes.  The difficulty of which is hard to describe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenSSL and PKI-integrated projects all use standard crypto libraries that are based on standard crypto technology.The BIS 's interest lies in novel and strong encryption schemes .
The difficulty of which is hard to describe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenSSL and PKI-integrated projects all use standard crypto libraries that are based on standard crypto technology.The BIS's interest lies in novel and strong encryption schemes.
The difficulty of which is hard to describe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062472</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31064146</id>
	<title>Most Projects Will Remain Blocked</title>
	<author>CritterNYC</author>
	<datestamp>1265620140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two options given in the SourceForge.net project settings are:</p><p>1. This project does NOT incorporate, access, call upon, or otherwise use encryption of any kind, including, but not limited to, open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform.</p><p>2. This project DOES incorporate, access, call upon or otherwise use encryption. Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number "ECCN" 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in: <a href="http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html" title="doc.gov">http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html</a> [doc.gov] and Section 740.13(e) of the Export Administration Regulations ("EAR") 15 C.F.R. Parts 730-772.</p><p>The 2nd option is the default and what all projects are currently set to.</p><p>In order to select the first, you can't be using any kind of encryption at all.  Our project, PortableApps.com, isn't really about encryption, it's about taking your favorite software with you on a flash drive wherever you go.  But we do bundle a number of open source apps that use encryption including Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Songbird, FileZilla, KeePass, Toucan, KompoZer, 7-Zip, Miranda IM, Pidgin, PuTTY, SeaMonkey, WinSCP, WinWGet, OpenOffice.org, PDFTK Builder, PNotes and PeaZip.  That means we need to keep the 2nd option selected and those countries remain blocked.</p><p>In reality that means pretty much every project on source forge that is or includes a web browser, ftp client, email client, scp client, im client, archive tool, etc will have to keep the 2nd option selected and remain blocked as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two options given in the SourceForge.net project settings are : 1 .
This project does NOT incorporate , access , call upon , or otherwise use encryption of any kind , including , but not limited to , open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform.2 .
This project DOES incorporate , access , call upon or otherwise use encryption .
Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number " ECCN " 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in : http : //www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html [ doc.gov ] and Section 740.13 ( e ) of the Export Administration Regulations ( " EAR " ) 15 C.F.R .
Parts 730-772.The 2nd option is the default and what all projects are currently set to.In order to select the first , you ca n't be using any kind of encryption at all .
Our project , PortableApps.com , is n't really about encryption , it 's about taking your favorite software with you on a flash drive wherever you go .
But we do bundle a number of open source apps that use encryption including Firefox , Thunderbird , Sunbird , Songbird , FileZilla , KeePass , Toucan , KompoZer , 7-Zip , Miranda IM , Pidgin , PuTTY , SeaMonkey , WinSCP , WinWGet , OpenOffice.org , PDFTK Builder , PNotes and PeaZip .
That means we need to keep the 2nd option selected and those countries remain blocked.In reality that means pretty much every project on source forge that is or includes a web browser , ftp client , email client , scp client , im client , archive tool , etc will have to keep the 2nd option selected and remain blocked as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two options given in the SourceForge.net project settings are:1.
This project does NOT incorporate, access, call upon, or otherwise use encryption of any kind, including, but not limited to, open source algorithms and/or calls to encryption in the operating system or underlying platform.2.
This project DOES incorporate, access, call upon or otherwise use encryption.
Posting of open source encryption is controlled under U.S. Export Control Classification Number "ECCN" 5D002 and must be simultaneously reported by email to the U.S. government. You are responsible for submitting this email report to the U.S. government in accordance with procedures described in: http://www.bis.doc.gov/encryption/PubAvailEncSourceCodeNotify.html [doc.gov] and Section 740.13(e) of the Export Administration Regulations ("EAR") 15 C.F.R.
Parts 730-772.The 2nd option is the default and what all projects are currently set to.In order to select the first, you can't be using any kind of encryption at all.
Our project, PortableApps.com, isn't really about encryption, it's about taking your favorite software with you on a flash drive wherever you go.
But we do bundle a number of open source apps that use encryption including Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, Songbird, FileZilla, KeePass, Toucan, KompoZer, 7-Zip, Miranda IM, Pidgin, PuTTY, SeaMonkey, WinSCP, WinWGet, OpenOffice.org, PDFTK Builder, PNotes and PeaZip.
That means we need to keep the 2nd option selected and those countries remain blocked.In reality that means pretty much every project on source forge that is or includes a web browser, ftp client, email client, scp client, im client, archive tool, etc will have to keep the 2nd option selected and remain blocked as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062350</id>
	<title>Move outside of the United States</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265654580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least consider it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least consider it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least consider it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063292</id>
	<title>Congratulations, but too late</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1265659080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I congratulate SourceForge on empowering their users to choose for themselves, but I'm still moving my stuff elsewhere. Not just because of the country restrictions, but also because I don't like the new (slow, heavy, buggy) interface, and because I've been getting dropped connections from them.</p><p>The question is: what is the best place to move to?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I congratulate SourceForge on empowering their users to choose for themselves , but I 'm still moving my stuff elsewhere .
Not just because of the country restrictions , but also because I do n't like the new ( slow , heavy , buggy ) interface , and because I 've been getting dropped connections from them.The question is : what is the best place to move to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I congratulate SourceForge on empowering their users to choose for themselves, but I'm still moving my stuff elsewhere.
Not just because of the country restrictions, but also because I don't like the new (slow, heavy, buggy) interface, and because I've been getting dropped connections from them.The question is: what is the best place to move to?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31066066</id>
	<title>What's the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265627700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's the point of export restrictions on software? Does the government really think that if some enemy country wanted a piece of software available in the US that they couldn't send someone over here and then send it home?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the point of export restrictions on software ?
Does the government really think that if some enemy country wanted a piece of software available in the US that they could n't send someone over here and then send it home ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the point of export restrictions on software?
Does the government really think that if some enemy country wanted a piece of software available in the US that they couldn't send someone over here and then send it home?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31067438</id>
	<title>Re:Reality Check</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1265635380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless the NSA has a supercomputer more powerful than anything on the Top 10 list hidden underneath their building somewhere I dont see them being able to crack 2048 bit RSA or 256 bit AES anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless the NSA has a supercomputer more powerful than anything on the Top 10 list hidden underneath their building somewhere I dont see them being able to crack 2048 bit RSA or 256 bit AES anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless the NSA has a supercomputer more powerful than anything on the Top 10 list hidden underneath their building somewhere I dont see them being able to crack 2048 bit RSA or 256 bit AES anytime soon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063246</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062176</id>
	<title>Re:Liability?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265653560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Opt out, not in.<br>Opt in is whem you choose yourself to do something, or actively allow a third party to do something which relates to you.<br>Opt out is when the third party does it anyway, but leaves the onus on you to say you don't want them to do it after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opt out , not in.Opt in is whem you choose yourself to do something , or actively allow a third party to do something which relates to you.Opt out is when the third party does it anyway , but leaves the onus on you to say you do n't want them to do it after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opt out, not in.Opt in is whem you choose yourself to do something, or actively allow a third party to do something which relates to you.Opt out is when the third party does it anyway, but leaves the onus on you to say you don't want them to do it after all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062032</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31066938</id>
	<title>Design and hosting</title>
	<author>ElusiveJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1265631780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I'm not a programmer, but I hate Google Code. I hate their design. I mean, really hate. It reminds me of Gnome and its HIG philosophy (which is "users are retards"). Those curved edges and the two-color palette... ewww.</p><p>Also, sourceforge offers web hosting, so free projects can keep their sites (which could have a better design) at no cost. I don't know if Google Code does this, never saw it.</p><p>The SF interface started sucking after recent "update". It was really awful, 404 and 501 errors all the time. Now it is more reliable, but still awfully slow and unintuitive. A very bad "update" that was. Can I have the old design, please?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm not a programmer , but I hate Google Code .
I hate their design .
I mean , really hate .
It reminds me of Gnome and its HIG philosophy ( which is " users are retards " ) .
Those curved edges and the two-color palette... ewww.Also , sourceforge offers web hosting , so free projects can keep their sites ( which could have a better design ) at no cost .
I do n't know if Google Code does this , never saw it.The SF interface started sucking after recent " update " .
It was really awful , 404 and 501 errors all the time .
Now it is more reliable , but still awfully slow and unintuitive .
A very bad " update " that was .
Can I have the old design , please ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm not a programmer, but I hate Google Code.
I hate their design.
I mean, really hate.
It reminds me of Gnome and its HIG philosophy (which is "users are retards").
Those curved edges and the two-color palette... ewww.Also, sourceforge offers web hosting, so free projects can keep their sites (which could have a better design) at no cost.
I don't know if Google Code does this, never saw it.The SF interface started sucking after recent "update".
It was really awful, 404 and 501 errors all the time.
Now it is more reliable, but still awfully slow and unintuitive.
A very bad "update" that was.
Can I have the old design, please?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062360</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31063036</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1265657760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if they can't get it they will write their own encryption.</p><p>It's a lot harder to decipher something that's encrypted than to apply a simple algorithm to it. If you do encounter something that's encrypted you will first have to figure out how it is encrypted before you even start to look for the key.</p><p>And steganography is another way of doing exchange of information. Who knows - some pr0n may actually contain hidden messages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if they ca n't get it they will write their own encryption.It 's a lot harder to decipher something that 's encrypted than to apply a simple algorithm to it .
If you do encounter something that 's encrypted you will first have to figure out how it is encrypted before you even start to look for the key.And steganography is another way of doing exchange of information .
Who knows - some pr0n may actually contain hidden messages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if they can't get it they will write their own encryption.It's a lot harder to decipher something that's encrypted than to apply a simple algorithm to it.
If you do encounter something that's encrypted you will first have to figure out how it is encrypted before you even start to look for the key.And steganography is another way of doing exchange of information.
Who knows - some pr0n may actually contain hidden messages.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062208</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265653740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that doesn't have brain-dead restrictions on the "export" of ones and zeros? One that doesn't classify encryption/decryption code as a "munition"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that does n't have brain-dead restrictions on the " export " of ones and zeros ?
One that does n't classify encryption/decryption code as a " munition " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not simply host the servers in a country that doesn't have brain-dead restrictions on the "export" of ones and zeros?
One that doesn't classify encryption/decryption code as a "munition"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062980</id>
	<title>Re:And these restrictions makes so much sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265657520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The law is not about preventing such espionage from occurring, because that is unrealistic.</p><p>It is about being able to punish someone for doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The law is not about preventing such espionage from occurring , because that is unrealistic.It is about being able to punish someone for doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law is not about preventing such espionage from occurring, because that is unrealistic.It is about being able to punish someone for doing it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062276</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31066664</id>
	<title>Read the GPL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265630400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last I looked the GPL doesn't allow the distributor (sourceforge in this case) to discriminate against "persons or groups". Thus saying sourceforge legally cannot distribute GPL code if they promote a discriminatory system (and they are) even if you can duck shove the responsibility to the author (nor can the author use the GPL under these circumstances).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last I looked the GPL does n't allow the distributor ( sourceforge in this case ) to discriminate against " persons or groups " .
Thus saying sourceforge legally can not distribute GPL code if they promote a discriminatory system ( and they are ) even if you can duck shove the responsibility to the author ( nor can the author use the GPL under these circumstances ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last I looked the GPL doesn't allow the distributor (sourceforge in this case) to discriminate against "persons or groups".
Thus saying sourceforge legally cannot distribute GPL code if they promote a discriminatory system (and they are) even if you can duck shove the responsibility to the author (nor can the author use the GPL under these circumstances).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31066336</id>
	<title>Re:Most Projects Will Remain Blocked</title>
	<author>Tanuki64</author>
	<datestamp>1265628900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I activated the first option for all my projects. First, I don't care for American laws. I am not American and will never visit Satan's own country. Second, some of my projects use the openssl libs, but they are not included in my projects, so I don't even less.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I activated the first option for all my projects .
First , I do n't care for American laws .
I am not American and will never visit Satan 's own country .
Second , some of my projects use the openssl libs , but they are not included in my projects , so I do n't even less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I activated the first option for all my projects.
First, I don't care for American laws.
I am not American and will never visit Satan's own country.
Second, some of my projects use the openssl libs, but they are not included in my projects, so I don't even less.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31064146</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31064168</id>
	<title>Re:This is completely stupid.</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1265620260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only the kind of stupid Americans that though that restricting the export of encryption technology would actually work[...]</p></div><p>I'm curious. How do the stupid Americans who think that differ from the stupid Europeans who think that? Or were you not aware that European countries and the EU also have similar export restrictions?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only the kind of stupid Americans that though that restricting the export of encryption technology would actually work [ ... ] I 'm curious .
How do the stupid Americans who think that differ from the stupid Europeans who think that ?
Or were you not aware that European countries and the EU also have similar export restrictions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only the kind of stupid Americans that though that restricting the export of encryption technology would actually work[...]I'm curious.
How do the stupid Americans who think that differ from the stupid Europeans who think that?
Or were you not aware that European countries and the EU also have similar export restrictions?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062112</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31067868</id>
	<title>Re:Read the GPL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265639760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First: it's been a while since I read the SourceForge TOS, but I would expect that, by uploading a program to SourceForge, you implicitly grant SourceForge a license to distribute it, somewhat independent of whatever license you provide to downloaders.  And the author doesn't need a (copyright) license to distribute his own program.</p><p>Second: no, what you're referring to is part of the Debian Free Software Guidelines and the Open Source Definition, not the GPL.  Those are not rules for distributors, they're rules for people who write licenses.  And the rule is only that a license must permit all recipients to use, modify, and distribute the software; there's nothing that says you have to give it to them.</p><p>(The fact that I'm using Linux, or even the fact that I sometimes burn install CDs for friends, does not mean I have an obligation to give a copy to anyone who asks.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First : it 's been a while since I read the SourceForge TOS , but I would expect that , by uploading a program to SourceForge , you implicitly grant SourceForge a license to distribute it , somewhat independent of whatever license you provide to downloaders .
And the author does n't need a ( copyright ) license to distribute his own program.Second : no , what you 're referring to is part of the Debian Free Software Guidelines and the Open Source Definition , not the GPL .
Those are not rules for distributors , they 're rules for people who write licenses .
And the rule is only that a license must permit all recipients to use , modify , and distribute the software ; there 's nothing that says you have to give it to them .
( The fact that I 'm using Linux , or even the fact that I sometimes burn install CDs for friends , does not mean I have an obligation to give a copy to anyone who asks .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First: it's been a while since I read the SourceForge TOS, but I would expect that, by uploading a program to SourceForge, you implicitly grant SourceForge a license to distribute it, somewhat independent of whatever license you provide to downloaders.
And the author doesn't need a (copyright) license to distribute his own program.Second: no, what you're referring to is part of the Debian Free Software Guidelines and the Open Source Definition, not the GPL.
Those are not rules for distributors, they're rules for people who write licenses.
And the rule is only that a license must permit all recipients to use, modify, and distribute the software; there's nothing that says you have to give it to them.
(The fact that I'm using Linux, or even the fact that I sometimes burn install CDs for friends, does not mean I have an obligation to give a copy to anyone who asks.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_08_1620238.31062442</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265655180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Because, although we have laws, we are <i>supposed</i> to be innocent until proven guilty. Fortunately, this is not China, yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because , although we have laws , we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty .
Fortunately , this is not China , yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because, although we have laws, we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.
Fortunately, this is not China, yet.</sentencetext>
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