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	<title><em>The People vs. George Lucas</em> To Premiere At SXSW</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1265566560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.idealskateparks.com/" rel="nofollow">skatepark builder</a> writes <i>"David Prowse, the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader (<em>Star Wars Episodes IV</em>, <em>V</em>, and <em>VI</em>), is starting 2010 off with two major accomplishments. His <a href="http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/155785/Prowse-clear-of-cancer">victory over colon cancer</a> earlier this month means he'll live to see his top billing in a film premiering next month at the South by Southwest Film Festival.  <em> <a href="http://peoplevsgeorge.com/">The People vs. George Lucas</a> </em> is a documentary attempting a balanced examination of the love/hate relationship <em>Star Wars</em> fans have developed with the filmmaker and his work over the past three decades. Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas, even though the title would suggest otherwise. According to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aoc3roT81nU">the trailer</a>, <em>The People vs.George Lucas</em> exposes the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas, including those like Prowse, who still refers to him as a 'master.' Philippe captures these opinions through filmed interviews, but perhaps more interestingly, he crowdsourced the commentary by soliciting fan submissions over the internet. The clips seen in the trailer appear to be funny, highly inspired, and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hAkwcHEAo8">are probably more concise</a> than the recently released <a href="http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/09/12/21/1637235/The-Definitive-Evisceration-of-The-Phantom-Menace-NSFW">70-minute YouTube evisceration of <em>Episode I</em></a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>skatepark builder writes " David Prowse , the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader ( Star Wars Episodes IV , V , and VI ) , is starting 2010 off with two major accomplishments .
His victory over colon cancer earlier this month means he 'll live to see his top billing in a film premiering next month at the South by Southwest Film Festival .
The People vs. George Lucas is a documentary attempting a balanced examination of the love/hate relationship Star Wars fans have developed with the filmmaker and his work over the past three decades .
Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas , even though the title would suggest otherwise .
According to the trailer , The People vs.George Lucas exposes the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas , including those like Prowse , who still refers to him as a 'master .
' Philippe captures these opinions through filmed interviews , but perhaps more interestingly , he crowdsourced the commentary by soliciting fan submissions over the internet .
The clips seen in the trailer appear to be funny , highly inspired , and are probably more concise than the recently released 70-minute YouTube evisceration of Episode I .
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<sentencetext>skatepark builder writes "David Prowse, the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader (Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI), is starting 2010 off with two major accomplishments.
His victory over colon cancer earlier this month means he'll live to see his top billing in a film premiering next month at the South by Southwest Film Festival.
The People vs. George Lucas  is a documentary attempting a balanced examination of the love/hate relationship Star Wars fans have developed with the filmmaker and his work over the past three decades.
Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas, even though the title would suggest otherwise.
According to the trailer, The People vs.George Lucas exposes the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas, including those like Prowse, who still refers to him as a 'master.
' Philippe captures these opinions through filmed interviews, but perhaps more interestingly, he crowdsourced the commentary by soliciting fan submissions over the internet.
The clips seen in the trailer appear to be funny, highly inspired, and are probably more concise than the recently released 70-minute YouTube evisceration of Episode I.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>grapeape</author>
	<datestamp>1265571960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas.  I was a Star Wars fan like most kids growing up in the late 70's had the action figures, the underoos, bed sheets, posters...all that crap and when the second trilogy was released I was excited about it.  I took my kids to see the newer ones and they loved them like I loved the originals.  I never expected the second series to have the same appeal because Lucas was farily consistant and aimed the new trilogy at the same age group he created the original for.  The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children.  I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.  What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy, but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at Ewoks.</p><p>I will admit to being irritated by the policical correctness of Greedo shooting first, but welcomed most of the other enhancements of the special editions, the xwing segment in episode 4 was particularly satisfying.  I was equally upset with the guns being edited out of ET but I figure it just a sign of the times and it will likley correct itself in the future.</p><p>On a side note Lucas has done something excellent for grown up's recently...check out the book Blockbusting: A Decade-by-Decade Survey of Timeless Movies Including Untold Secrets of Their Financial and Cultural Success, its fantastic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas .
I was a Star Wars fan like most kids growing up in the late 70 's had the action figures , the underoos , bed sheets , posters...all that crap and when the second trilogy was released I was excited about it .
I took my kids to see the newer ones and they loved them like I loved the originals .
I never expected the second series to have the same appeal because Lucas was farily consistant and aimed the new trilogy at the same age group he created the original for .
The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children .
I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder , but then I wasnt supposed to , they werent made for me , they were made for my kids .
What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy , but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at Ewoks.I will admit to being irritated by the policical correctness of Greedo shooting first , but welcomed most of the other enhancements of the special editions , the xwing segment in episode 4 was particularly satisfying .
I was equally upset with the guns being edited out of ET but I figure it just a sign of the times and it will likley correct itself in the future.On a side note Lucas has done something excellent for grown up 's recently...check out the book Blockbusting : A Decade-by-Decade Survey of Timeless Movies Including Untold Secrets of Their Financial and Cultural Success , its fantastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas.
I was a Star Wars fan like most kids growing up in the late 70's had the action figures, the underoos, bed sheets, posters...all that crap and when the second trilogy was released I was excited about it.
I took my kids to see the newer ones and they loved them like I loved the originals.
I never expected the second series to have the same appeal because Lucas was farily consistant and aimed the new trilogy at the same age group he created the original for.
The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children.
I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.
What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy, but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at Ewoks.I will admit to being irritated by the policical correctness of Greedo shooting first, but welcomed most of the other enhancements of the special editions, the xwing segment in episode 4 was particularly satisfying.
I was equally upset with the guns being edited out of ET but I figure it just a sign of the times and it will likley correct itself in the future.On a side note Lucas has done something excellent for grown up's recently...check out the book Blockbusting: A Decade-by-Decade Survey of Timeless Movies Including Untold Secrets of Their Financial and Cultural Success, its fantastic.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Maybe he should cover Indian Jones</title>
	<author>Game\_Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1265534160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only he had stayed away from Indy: <a href="http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/187269" title="southparkstudios.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/187269</a> [southparkstudios.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only he had stayed away from Indy : http : //www.southparkstudios.com/clips/187269 [ southparkstudios.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only he had stayed away from Indy: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/187269 [southparkstudios.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>skatepark builder</author>
	<datestamp>1265659500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Grape,<br> <br>

I haven't heard of "Blockbusting," but will take a look at it on your recommendation.
<br> <br>

A lot of people who are Star Wars fans who aren't offended by the prequels will give Lucas a pass by rationalizing that the new movies are geared for kids and the aged fans of the originals won't connect. If you watch that 70 minute review of Episode 1 on YouTube, that guy does a good job dismissing this perspective by highlighting all the focus on some trade embargo, ambassadors, and administrative gobbledy-gook that glazes the eyes of young viewers. It's hard to claim the movie was tailored for kids with all that stuff as the OPENING scenes.<br> <br>

I don't doubt that Lucas <i>intended</i> to cater the movie to young kids. The problem I have with his attempt is that Lucas comes across as pandering. New Hope caters to children in a FAR more clever manner. In Episode 1, he casts a kid in a central role so that children can project themselves into the story. In Episode IV, he cleverly puts a young pre-adult on the screen who is treated like a child, which is how kids connect with Luke Skywalker. Luke wants to do all these adult things like go to the Academy and fight against the empire, but his uncle is holding him down with chores and harvest. He's got a cool car, but life on the farm is boring until the friend of the family shows up and gives him a weapon and treats him like an adult. Kids can easily project themselves into Luke's character. That angle works on adults, too, because they can empathize with what it was like when they struggled to be treated as an adult at the end of their teen aged years.<br> <br> Adults don't connect with the Anakin Skywalker character because he straight-up is a kid. To them (me), he's additional baggage for the adult characters in the story to have to contend with.<br> <br>It's not impossible to make a fantasy movie that appeals to kids and adults. Last year's "Up" is a great example of storytelling to both children and adults at the same time. Unfortunately, George Lucas has lost that ability he once excelled in.<br> <br>Skatepark Builder</htmltext>
<tokenext>Grape , I have n't heard of " Blockbusting , " but will take a look at it on your recommendation .
A lot of people who are Star Wars fans who are n't offended by the prequels will give Lucas a pass by rationalizing that the new movies are geared for kids and the aged fans of the originals wo n't connect .
If you watch that 70 minute review of Episode 1 on YouTube , that guy does a good job dismissing this perspective by highlighting all the focus on some trade embargo , ambassadors , and administrative gobbledy-gook that glazes the eyes of young viewers .
It 's hard to claim the movie was tailored for kids with all that stuff as the OPENING scenes .
I do n't doubt that Lucas intended to cater the movie to young kids .
The problem I have with his attempt is that Lucas comes across as pandering .
New Hope caters to children in a FAR more clever manner .
In Episode 1 , he casts a kid in a central role so that children can project themselves into the story .
In Episode IV , he cleverly puts a young pre-adult on the screen who is treated like a child , which is how kids connect with Luke Skywalker .
Luke wants to do all these adult things like go to the Academy and fight against the empire , but his uncle is holding him down with chores and harvest .
He 's got a cool car , but life on the farm is boring until the friend of the family shows up and gives him a weapon and treats him like an adult .
Kids can easily project themselves into Luke 's character .
That angle works on adults , too , because they can empathize with what it was like when they struggled to be treated as an adult at the end of their teen aged years .
Adults do n't connect with the Anakin Skywalker character because he straight-up is a kid .
To them ( me ) , he 's additional baggage for the adult characters in the story to have to contend with .
It 's not impossible to make a fantasy movie that appeals to kids and adults .
Last year 's " Up " is a great example of storytelling to both children and adults at the same time .
Unfortunately , George Lucas has lost that ability he once excelled in .
Skatepark Builder</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Grape, 

I haven't heard of "Blockbusting," but will take a look at it on your recommendation.
A lot of people who are Star Wars fans who aren't offended by the prequels will give Lucas a pass by rationalizing that the new movies are geared for kids and the aged fans of the originals won't connect.
If you watch that 70 minute review of Episode 1 on YouTube, that guy does a good job dismissing this perspective by highlighting all the focus on some trade embargo, ambassadors, and administrative gobbledy-gook that glazes the eyes of young viewers.
It's hard to claim the movie was tailored for kids with all that stuff as the OPENING scenes.
I don't doubt that Lucas intended to cater the movie to young kids.
The problem I have with his attempt is that Lucas comes across as pandering.
New Hope caters to children in a FAR more clever manner.
In Episode 1, he casts a kid in a central role so that children can project themselves into the story.
In Episode IV, he cleverly puts a young pre-adult on the screen who is treated like a child, which is how kids connect with Luke Skywalker.
Luke wants to do all these adult things like go to the Academy and fight against the empire, but his uncle is holding him down with chores and harvest.
He's got a cool car, but life on the farm is boring until the friend of the family shows up and gives him a weapon and treats him like an adult.
Kids can easily project themselves into Luke's character.
That angle works on adults, too, because they can empathize with what it was like when they struggled to be treated as an adult at the end of their teen aged years.
Adults don't connect with the Anakin Skywalker character because he straight-up is a kid.
To them (me), he's additional baggage for the adult characters in the story to have to contend with.
It's not impossible to make a fantasy movie that appeals to kids and adults.
Last year's "Up" is a great example of storytelling to both children and adults at the same time.
Unfortunately, George Lucas has lost that ability he once excelled in.
Skatepark Builder</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1265550540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>To be fair, there wasn't much competition to Star Wars at the time, and it was the first big Space opear. Now, there is loads of competition, lots of movies with great effects that get kids going, and loads of different franchises.</p><p>You can't fairly compare Star Wars and Ep 1.</p><p>That said, I think ep1 was a pile of garbage. Never have kids in sci-fi movies, nobody find that cute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , there was n't much competition to Star Wars at the time , and it was the first big Space opear .
Now , there is loads of competition , lots of movies with great effects that get kids going , and loads of different franchises.You ca n't fairly compare Star Wars and Ep 1.That said , I think ep1 was a pile of garbage .
Never have kids in sci-fi movies , nobody find that cute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, there wasn't much competition to Star Wars at the time, and it was the first big Space opear.
Now, there is loads of competition, lots of movies with great effects that get kids going, and loads of different franchises.You can't fairly compare Star Wars and Ep 1.That said, I think ep1 was a pile of garbage.
Never have kids in sci-fi movies, nobody find that cute.</sentencetext>
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	<title>He still hasn't seen royalties from ROTJ</title>
	<author>SOOPRcow</author>
	<datestamp>1265571300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts\_and\_entertainment/film/article6024677.ece" title="timesonline.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts\_and\_entertainment/film/article6024677.ece</a> [timesonline.co.uk]

Pretty sad that they're even able to make that argument.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts \ _and \ _entertainment/film/article6024677.ece [ timesonline.co.uk ] Pretty sad that they 're even able to make that argument .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts\_and\_entertainment/film/article6024677.ece [timesonline.co.uk]

Pretty sad that they're even able to make that argument.</sentencetext>
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	<title>How about space opera that doesn't suck?</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1265574240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
Look, everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films. The Star [Wars|Trek|Gate|Craft] franchises have been done to death. Now a rehash of "Dune" is in production.  Please.
</p><p>
At least we have James Cameron's "Avatar".  Cameron is a master of production value.  He spends a lot of money, but it pays off.  Unfortunately, everything he does looks too much like a "Terminator" movie.
</p><p>
A film based on David Weber's work might be an improvement.  But Hollywood would go for "March Upcountry", not the Honor Harrington novels.
</p><p>
Of course, the fundamental trouble with space opera is that it's no longer a plausible future.  Space travel hasn't improved much in 40 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films .
The Star [ Wars | Trek | Gate | Craft ] franchises have been done to death .
Now a rehash of " Dune " is in production .
Please . At least we have James Cameron 's " Avatar " .
Cameron is a master of production value .
He spends a lot of money , but it pays off .
Unfortunately , everything he does looks too much like a " Terminator " movie .
A film based on David Weber 's work might be an improvement .
But Hollywood would go for " March Upcountry " , not the Honor Harrington novels .
Of course , the fundamental trouble with space opera is that it 's no longer a plausible future .
Space travel has n't improved much in 40 years .</tokentext>
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Look, everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films.
The Star [Wars|Trek|Gate|Craft] franchises have been done to death.
Now a rehash of "Dune" is in production.
Please.

At least we have James Cameron's "Avatar".
Cameron is a master of production value.
He spends a lot of money, but it pays off.
Unfortunately, everything he does looks too much like a "Terminator" movie.
A film based on David Weber's work might be an improvement.
But Hollywood would go for "March Upcountry", not the Honor Harrington novels.
Of course, the fundamental trouble with space opera is that it's no longer a plausible future.
Space travel hasn't improved much in 40 years.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Gr8Apes</author>
	<datestamp>1265574660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The hatred is pretty easy to understand, if you think about the movies when they came out. Ep IV was decent, had a great story and was entertaining for the times. Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children. Ep VI was where a lot of fans went "WTF?" when the ewoks came out, but watched it anyways because they wanted a completed story arc.</p><p>The "enhanced" episodes are a degradation of the original movies in almost all ways. The new scenes almost all detract from the story or, worse yet, inject crap to bring them on par with the new trilogy.</p><p>Then there's the new series. Ep I was so bad I turned it off. It reminded me of The Goonies or other movies where children are screaming throughout a plotless movie. Ep II was worse. Ep III, despite terrible acting (really, Lucas, you couldn't hire someone that could at least have a smidgin of talent to play the flawed character that was to become the most evil villain in your universe?) was almost the equivalent of Ep VI which was, as stated before, the worse of the first three.</p><p>In all honesty, I expected Ep I to have been comprised of all three movies edited together to produce a less than 2 hour introduction to Ep II and III. (The part where he turns into Vader would have been in Ep II, leaving Ep III to showcase Vader's destruction of the Jedi and entire worlds that stood in his way, showing the beginning of Ep IV (such as the scene where Leia creates the video in R2D2).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hatred is pretty easy to understand , if you think about the movies when they came out .
Ep IV was decent , had a great story and was entertaining for the times .
Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children .
Ep VI was where a lot of fans went " WTF ?
" when the ewoks came out , but watched it anyways because they wanted a completed story arc.The " enhanced " episodes are a degradation of the original movies in almost all ways .
The new scenes almost all detract from the story or , worse yet , inject crap to bring them on par with the new trilogy.Then there 's the new series .
Ep I was so bad I turned it off .
It reminded me of The Goonies or other movies where children are screaming throughout a plotless movie .
Ep II was worse .
Ep III , despite terrible acting ( really , Lucas , you could n't hire someone that could at least have a smidgin of talent to play the flawed character that was to become the most evil villain in your universe ?
) was almost the equivalent of Ep VI which was , as stated before , the worse of the first three.In all honesty , I expected Ep I to have been comprised of all three movies edited together to produce a less than 2 hour introduction to Ep II and III .
( The part where he turns into Vader would have been in Ep II , leaving Ep III to showcase Vader 's destruction of the Jedi and entire worlds that stood in his way , showing the beginning of Ep IV ( such as the scene where Leia creates the video in R2D2 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hatred is pretty easy to understand, if you think about the movies when they came out.
Ep IV was decent, had a great story and was entertaining for the times.
Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children.
Ep VI was where a lot of fans went "WTF?
" when the ewoks came out, but watched it anyways because they wanted a completed story arc.The "enhanced" episodes are a degradation of the original movies in almost all ways.
The new scenes almost all detract from the story or, worse yet, inject crap to bring them on par with the new trilogy.Then there's the new series.
Ep I was so bad I turned it off.
It reminded me of The Goonies or other movies where children are screaming throughout a plotless movie.
Ep II was worse.
Ep III, despite terrible acting (really, Lucas, you couldn't hire someone that could at least have a smidgin of talent to play the flawed character that was to become the most evil villain in your universe?
) was almost the equivalent of Ep VI which was, as stated before, the worse of the first three.In all honesty, I expected Ep I to have been comprised of all three movies edited together to produce a less than 2 hour introduction to Ep II and III.
(The part where he turns into Vader would have been in Ep II, leaving Ep III to showcase Vader's destruction of the Jedi and entire worlds that stood in his way, showing the beginning of Ep IV (such as the scene where Leia creates the video in R2D2).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:How about space opera that doesn't suck?</title>
	<author>euxneks</author>
	<datestamp>1265658840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
Look, everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films. The Star [Wars|Trek|Gate|Craft] franchises have been done to death. Now a rehash of "Dune" is in production.  Please.
</p></div><p>Just want to comment that I don't think the StarCraft franchise has been done to death yet. There's only been one single game afaik!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Look , everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films .
The Star [ Wars | Trek | Gate | Craft ] franchises have been done to death .
Now a rehash of " Dune " is in production .
Please . Just want to comment that I do n't think the StarCraft franchise has been done to death yet .
There 's only been one single game afaik !</tokentext>
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Look, everyone agrees Lucas should have stopped after three films.
The Star [Wars|Trek|Gate|Craft] franchises have been done to death.
Now a rehash of "Dune" is in production.
Please.
Just want to comment that I don't think the StarCraft franchise has been done to death yet.
There's only been one single game afaik!
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	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265542080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I somewhat agree with what you are saying.  However, look at his record</p><p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/</a> [imdb.com]</p><p>He is an excellent producer.  Has only directed a handful of movies (mediocre movies at that, blockbusters but mediocre).  It shows someone who wants more control over his product but is suffocating the product because of this.  He needs to learn to delegate better.  Most of his work is on basically 1 project star wars.  Now not to take away from him he has created what is arguably one the premier special effects houses around and a decent video game studio.</p><p>Now take what is basically one of his good friends and piers Steven Spielberg.  <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000229/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000229/</a> [imdb.com]  A well rounded carer.  Way more directing gigs.  Tons of producing gigs.  I would also say a much better director.</p><p>George Lucas *IS* a good director/producer.  He is also stuck in a creative rut.  He got lucky with star wars.  Then proceeded to beat that horse to death by taking away the very mystic the movie had by filling in every possible niche in the sw universe with something.  Up until star wars he was directing very interesting and varied movies.  He had a very promising directing carer. Star wars in many ways took over his life and never let go.  I wonder what sort of movies he would have made if star wars had not taken over his life?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I somewhat agree with what you are saying .
However , look at his recordhttp : //www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/ [ imdb.com ] He is an excellent producer .
Has only directed a handful of movies ( mediocre movies at that , blockbusters but mediocre ) .
It shows someone who wants more control over his product but is suffocating the product because of this .
He needs to learn to delegate better .
Most of his work is on basically 1 project star wars .
Now not to take away from him he has created what is arguably one the premier special effects houses around and a decent video game studio.Now take what is basically one of his good friends and piers Steven Spielberg .
http : //www.imdb.com/name/nm0000229/ [ imdb.com ] A well rounded carer .
Way more directing gigs .
Tons of producing gigs .
I would also say a much better director.George Lucas * IS * a good director/producer .
He is also stuck in a creative rut .
He got lucky with star wars .
Then proceeded to beat that horse to death by taking away the very mystic the movie had by filling in every possible niche in the sw universe with something .
Up until star wars he was directing very interesting and varied movies .
He had a very promising directing carer .
Star wars in many ways took over his life and never let go .
I wonder what sort of movies he would have made if star wars had not taken over his life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I somewhat agree with what you are saying.
However, look at his recordhttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000184/ [imdb.com]He is an excellent producer.
Has only directed a handful of movies (mediocre movies at that, blockbusters but mediocre).
It shows someone who wants more control over his product but is suffocating the product because of this.
He needs to learn to delegate better.
Most of his work is on basically 1 project star wars.
Now not to take away from him he has created what is arguably one the premier special effects houses around and a decent video game studio.Now take what is basically one of his good friends and piers Steven Spielberg.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000229/ [imdb.com]  A well rounded carer.
Way more directing gigs.
Tons of producing gigs.
I would also say a much better director.George Lucas *IS* a good director/producer.
He is also stuck in a creative rut.
He got lucky with star wars.
Then proceeded to beat that horse to death by taking away the very mystic the movie had by filling in every possible niche in the sw universe with something.
Up until star wars he was directing very interesting and varied movies.
He had a very promising directing carer.
Star wars in many ways took over his life and never let go.
I wonder what sort of movies he would have made if star wars had not taken over his life?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:More concise...</title>
	<author>ThisIsForReal</author>
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	<htmltext>Yeah, definitely worth your time.  Vastly more entertaining than actually watching one of the prequels.  If you have not yet seen the 70-minute review, make plans to watch it.  Bookmark and come back to it.  Don't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in, you're gonna thank me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , definitely worth your time .
Vastly more entertaining than actually watching one of the prequels .
If you have not yet seen the 70-minute review , make plans to watch it .
Bookmark and come back to it .
Do n't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in , you 're gon na thank me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, definitely worth your time.
Vastly more entertaining than actually watching one of the prequels.
If you have not yet seen the 70-minute review, make plans to watch it.
Bookmark and come back to it.
Don't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in, you're gonna thank me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31068178</id>
	<title>Heresy, heresy!</title>
	<author>Eclipse-now</author>
	<datestamp>1265643480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Some of the best stories ever written involve "design by committee". Why, this one time were were playing this game involving lots of dice and dwarves and Elves, and I'm sure we all sat around and had this adventure and in the end it became a story...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the best stories ever written involve " design by committee " .
Why , this one time were were playing this game involving lots of dice and dwarves and Elves , and I 'm sure we all sat around and had this adventure and in the end it became a story.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the best stories ever written involve "design by committee".
Why, this one time were were playing this game involving lots of dice and dwarves and Elves, and I'm sure we all sat around and had this adventure and in the end it became a story...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>Jarjarthejedi</author>
	<datestamp>1265557140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"Episode 1 is now 11 years old, meaning your kids should be teens by now. Do they quote the movies? Has it seeped into every part of culture? Is it everywhere you can look?"</p><p>Impossible. It's impossible for something to seep in that's already there. Star Wars fandom was already present when Episode 1 came out, so it couldn't 'seep into' the culture. And it's still going just as strong if not FAR stronger than it was before episode 1's release.</p><p>"The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO's have skipped the era. Bioware wanted to do Star Wars, but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart (thousands of years) that they could completly distance themselves from it."</p><p>Ahh, so what you're saying is that proof of a movie not being good is that the majority of games were not based on it? That's a bit silly and completely ignores the many good games set in the new trilogy time-period, among them Battle for Naboo, Pod-Racer, Battlefront (which covers both time-periods), Force Unleashed and many more. And you could really say the same thing about the original trilogy, two of the best games every made about Star Wars and the new MMO all skip the original trilogy time period, does that mean the original movies weren't good?</p><p>"Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc. Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact. It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer... who?"</p><p>Meh. I don't really see Matrix being quoted much at all these days, not even in the groups of other programmers I hang out with. Lord of the Rings was popular long before it was a movie. And McHammer is not a very good comparison considering how many "Hammer Time" jokes there are, it's probably more common in popular culture than Michael Jackson at this point.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Episode 1 is now 11 years old , meaning your kids should be teens by now .
Do they quote the movies ?
Has it seeped into every part of culture ?
Is it everywhere you can look ? " Impossible .
It 's impossible for something to seep in that 's already there .
Star Wars fandom was already present when Episode 1 came out , so it could n't 'seep into ' the culture .
And it 's still going just as strong if not FAR stronger than it was before episode 1 's release .
" The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO 's have skipped the era .
Bioware wanted to do Star Wars , but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart ( thousands of years ) that they could completly distance themselves from it .
" Ahh , so what you 're saying is that proof of a movie not being good is that the majority of games were not based on it ?
That 's a bit silly and completely ignores the many good games set in the new trilogy time-period , among them Battle for Naboo , Pod-Racer , Battlefront ( which covers both time-periods ) , Force Unleashed and many more .
And you could really say the same thing about the original trilogy , two of the best games every made about Star Wars and the new MMO all skip the original trilogy time period , does that mean the original movies were n't good ?
" Kids now quote the Matrix , Lord of the Rings , etc .
Episode 1 was just another blockbuster , made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact .
It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer.. .
who ? " Meh. I do n't really see Matrix being quoted much at all these days , not even in the groups of other programmers I hang out with .
Lord of the Rings was popular long before it was a movie .
And McHammer is not a very good comparison considering how many " Hammer Time " jokes there are , it 's probably more common in popular culture than Michael Jackson at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Episode 1 is now 11 years old, meaning your kids should be teens by now.
Do they quote the movies?
Has it seeped into every part of culture?
Is it everywhere you can look?"Impossible.
It's impossible for something to seep in that's already there.
Star Wars fandom was already present when Episode 1 came out, so it couldn't 'seep into' the culture.
And it's still going just as strong if not FAR stronger than it was before episode 1's release.
"The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO's have skipped the era.
Bioware wanted to do Star Wars, but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart (thousands of years) that they could completly distance themselves from it.
"Ahh, so what you're saying is that proof of a movie not being good is that the majority of games were not based on it?
That's a bit silly and completely ignores the many good games set in the new trilogy time-period, among them Battle for Naboo, Pod-Racer, Battlefront (which covers both time-periods), Force Unleashed and many more.
And you could really say the same thing about the original trilogy, two of the best games every made about Star Wars and the new MMO all skip the original trilogy time period, does that mean the original movies weren't good?
"Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc.
Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact.
It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer...
who?"Meh. I don't really see Matrix being quoted much at all these days, not even in the groups of other programmers I hang out with.
Lord of the Rings was popular long before it was a movie.
And McHammer is not a very good comparison considering how many "Hammer Time" jokes there are, it's probably more common in popular culture than Michael Jackson at this point.
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	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>S77IM</author>
	<datestamp>1265657160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're right! Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter. Doesn't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.</p></div><p>And Godwin has done a lot more for the Internet than codify that one law!</p><p>
&nbsp; -- 77IM</p></div>
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<tokenext>You 're right !
Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter .
Does n't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.And Godwin has done a lot more for the Internet than codify that one law !
  -- 77IM</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right!
Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter.
Doesn't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.And Godwin has done a lot more for the Internet than codify that one law!
  -- 77IM
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	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1265558700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?</p><p>if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs, does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest?</p><p>i don't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later missteps</p></div><p>You're right! Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter. Doesn't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.</p><p>John Wilkes Booth: Remembered as the famous actor that he was, not for one teensy tiny misstep he might had near the end of his life.</p><p>Good idea</p></div>
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<tokenext>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity , does that detract from his earlier genius ? if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs , does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest ? i do n't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later misstepsYou 're right !
Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter .
Does n't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.John Wilkes Booth : Remembered as the famous actor that he was , not for one teensy tiny misstep he might had near the end of his life.Good idea</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs, does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest?i don't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later misstepsYou're right!
Hitler SHOULD be remembered as an ok painter.
Doesn't matter if he did a thing or two later on that got some bad press.John Wilkes Booth: Remembered as the famous actor that he was, not for one teensy tiny misstep he might had near the end of his life.Good idea
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	<title>Re:He still hasn't seen royalties from ROTJ</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1265575500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood\_accounting" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood\_accounting</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood \ _accounting [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood\_accounting [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>isaac</author>
	<datestamp>1265571900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The franchise is dead. Lucas killed it. Not worth the emotional investment to lament or analyze.</p><p>Move on, people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The franchise is dead .
Lucas killed it .
Not worth the emotional investment to lament or analyze.Move on , people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The franchise is dead.
Lucas killed it.
Not worth the emotional investment to lament or analyze.Move on, people.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1265574840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i><br>I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.<br></i><br>The difference is that the original movies weren't just designed to appeal to kids, and stood up on their own.  Plenty of kids grow up liking a certain movie as a child, but later grow out of it and realize it's a crappy kids movie.  Is their a real cult following for the Beethoven (the dog) movies for instance?  It looks like they made 6 of the things, but I've never heard there's a serious collection of adults that love those movies on the scale of Star Wars.  There's plenty of stuff I loved as a kid, but later realized just how terrible it really is.  Buck Rogers comes to mind.  So I don't agree with your idea that the original Star Wars movies were just kid movies.</p><p>The hatred comes from just how bad the new movies ultimately were.  Lucas just made a kids movie in space and forgot to hire decent actors, give them good direction, provide a decent storyline, etc.  Jar Jar is merely the undeniable representation of this.  I think a lot of the more extreme reactions come from some feeling of betrayal.  Some people feel like Lucas was "one of them", and the new movies are a complete rejection of that perceived relationship.</p><p>I'm really interested in the movie, as I'm fascinated by the whole love/hate relationship people have with Lucas.  The only thing that really pissed me off was Han not shooting first.  That's just utterly wrong as it changes the character of Solo (which is just a big no-no).  You don't mess with character development after the fact.  The FX changes I didn't really care about to much, though most of them looked like crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder , but then I wasnt supposed to , they werent made for me , they were made for my kids.The difference is that the original movies were n't just designed to appeal to kids , and stood up on their own .
Plenty of kids grow up liking a certain movie as a child , but later grow out of it and realize it 's a crappy kids movie .
Is their a real cult following for the Beethoven ( the dog ) movies for instance ?
It looks like they made 6 of the things , but I 've never heard there 's a serious collection of adults that love those movies on the scale of Star Wars .
There 's plenty of stuff I loved as a kid , but later realized just how terrible it really is .
Buck Rogers comes to mind .
So I do n't agree with your idea that the original Star Wars movies were just kid movies.The hatred comes from just how bad the new movies ultimately were .
Lucas just made a kids movie in space and forgot to hire decent actors , give them good direction , provide a decent storyline , etc .
Jar Jar is merely the undeniable representation of this .
I think a lot of the more extreme reactions come from some feeling of betrayal .
Some people feel like Lucas was " one of them " , and the new movies are a complete rejection of that perceived relationship.I 'm really interested in the movie , as I 'm fascinated by the whole love/hate relationship people have with Lucas .
The only thing that really pissed me off was Han not shooting first .
That 's just utterly wrong as it changes the character of Solo ( which is just a big no-no ) .
You do n't mess with character development after the fact .
The FX changes I did n't really care about to much , though most of them looked like crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.The difference is that the original movies weren't just designed to appeal to kids, and stood up on their own.
Plenty of kids grow up liking a certain movie as a child, but later grow out of it and realize it's a crappy kids movie.
Is their a real cult following for the Beethoven (the dog) movies for instance?
It looks like they made 6 of the things, but I've never heard there's a serious collection of adults that love those movies on the scale of Star Wars.
There's plenty of stuff I loved as a kid, but later realized just how terrible it really is.
Buck Rogers comes to mind.
So I don't agree with your idea that the original Star Wars movies were just kid movies.The hatred comes from just how bad the new movies ultimately were.
Lucas just made a kids movie in space and forgot to hire decent actors, give them good direction, provide a decent storyline, etc.
Jar Jar is merely the undeniable representation of this.
I think a lot of the more extreme reactions come from some feeling of betrayal.
Some people feel like Lucas was "one of them", and the new movies are a complete rejection of that perceived relationship.I'm really interested in the movie, as I'm fascinated by the whole love/hate relationship people have with Lucas.
The only thing that really pissed me off was Han not shooting first.
That's just utterly wrong as it changes the character of Solo (which is just a big no-no).
You don't mess with character development after the fact.
The FX changes I didn't really care about to much, though most of them looked like crap.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's not about age group</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1265533980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's about ruining the first trilogy with idiotic premises and horrible acting among other things.</p><p>The first group of movies was enjoyable by children and adults alike. Granted Jedi pandered to children with the whole Ewok thing but by and large the stories had universal appeal.</p><p>The second set of movies I've seen children fall asleep in. I took my then child cousins to the first movie because they'd never been to the cinemas and they said "Next time can we watch a good movie". One of them fell asleep in the second half. This is from children who'd never been to the cinema!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about ruining the first trilogy with idiotic premises and horrible acting among other things.The first group of movies was enjoyable by children and adults alike .
Granted Jedi pandered to children with the whole Ewok thing but by and large the stories had universal appeal.The second set of movies I 've seen children fall asleep in .
I took my then child cousins to the first movie because they 'd never been to the cinemas and they said " Next time can we watch a good movie " .
One of them fell asleep in the second half .
This is from children who 'd never been to the cinema ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about ruining the first trilogy with idiotic premises and horrible acting among other things.The first group of movies was enjoyable by children and adults alike.
Granted Jedi pandered to children with the whole Ewok thing but by and large the stories had universal appeal.The second set of movies I've seen children fall asleep in.
I took my then child cousins to the first movie because they'd never been to the cinemas and they said "Next time can we watch a good movie".
One of them fell asleep in the second half.
This is from children who'd never been to the cinema!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1265576160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>My personal hatred of Lucas includes but is not limited to:

1) Destroying all the suspense of the original trilogy by revealing in Episode III that Luke and Lea are siblings potentially ruining the quality of Episodes 4-6 if they aren't watched first and making the ending of 3 heavy handed and useless if they are.<br> <br>

2) Name dropping Chewbacca for the sake of action figure sales, unless you're implying that Chewbacca simply forgot that he knows Yoda and it never came up in conversation.<br> <br>

3) Giving R2D2 a jet pack and lightning gun. (What the fuck?)<br> <br>

4) Making almost everyone in 1-3 speak English. So everyone could speak basic just fine under the Old Republic and simply forgot while they were being crushed under the xenophobic galactic Empire?<br> <br>

5) I can't even explain the crazy conspiracy theories that have to be involved with the clone wars and the Death Star. If Palpatine can clandestinely have an army of hundreds of thousands of clones and star ships built with absolutely no one knowing about it why does he need to use Lord Dooku to be the puppet-master of the Trade Federation (who apparently weren't important enough to mention in the original trilogy) to design the Death Star and shit why wasn't that conveniently waiting to roll out as well? Why did it take 15 years from Palpatine gaining supreme authority to dissolving the senate? How does someone create three movies with more plot holes than quality acting performances?
<br> <br>
I stop here because the case in point isn't that he changed his audience, it that he made blatantly shitty movies with no respect to even his own previous work. I understand time passed between creating the two but I can't imagine that he forgot one of his greatest successes to the point that he couldn't spot massive continuity errors. I was personally a large fan of the expanded universe, and it's certainly well within Lucas' right not to honor the creation of others but for Christ sake they did a much much much better job respecting the canon that Lucas had laid down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My personal hatred of Lucas includes but is not limited to : 1 ) Destroying all the suspense of the original trilogy by revealing in Episode III that Luke and Lea are siblings potentially ruining the quality of Episodes 4-6 if they are n't watched first and making the ending of 3 heavy handed and useless if they are .
2 ) Name dropping Chewbacca for the sake of action figure sales , unless you 're implying that Chewbacca simply forgot that he knows Yoda and it never came up in conversation .
3 ) Giving R2D2 a jet pack and lightning gun .
( What the fuck ?
) 4 ) Making almost everyone in 1-3 speak English .
So everyone could speak basic just fine under the Old Republic and simply forgot while they were being crushed under the xenophobic galactic Empire ?
5 ) I ca n't even explain the crazy conspiracy theories that have to be involved with the clone wars and the Death Star .
If Palpatine can clandestinely have an army of hundreds of thousands of clones and star ships built with absolutely no one knowing about it why does he need to use Lord Dooku to be the puppet-master of the Trade Federation ( who apparently were n't important enough to mention in the original trilogy ) to design the Death Star and shit why was n't that conveniently waiting to roll out as well ?
Why did it take 15 years from Palpatine gaining supreme authority to dissolving the senate ?
How does someone create three movies with more plot holes than quality acting performances ?
I stop here because the case in point is n't that he changed his audience , it that he made blatantly shitty movies with no respect to even his own previous work .
I understand time passed between creating the two but I ca n't imagine that he forgot one of his greatest successes to the point that he could n't spot massive continuity errors .
I was personally a large fan of the expanded universe , and it 's certainly well within Lucas ' right not to honor the creation of others but for Christ sake they did a much much much better job respecting the canon that Lucas had laid down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My personal hatred of Lucas includes but is not limited to:

1) Destroying all the suspense of the original trilogy by revealing in Episode III that Luke and Lea are siblings potentially ruining the quality of Episodes 4-6 if they aren't watched first and making the ending of 3 heavy handed and useless if they are.
2) Name dropping Chewbacca for the sake of action figure sales, unless you're implying that Chewbacca simply forgot that he knows Yoda and it never came up in conversation.
3) Giving R2D2 a jet pack and lightning gun.
(What the fuck?
) 

4) Making almost everyone in 1-3 speak English.
So everyone could speak basic just fine under the Old Republic and simply forgot while they were being crushed under the xenophobic galactic Empire?
5) I can't even explain the crazy conspiracy theories that have to be involved with the clone wars and the Death Star.
If Palpatine can clandestinely have an army of hundreds of thousands of clones and star ships built with absolutely no one knowing about it why does he need to use Lord Dooku to be the puppet-master of the Trade Federation (who apparently weren't important enough to mention in the original trilogy) to design the Death Star and shit why wasn't that conveniently waiting to roll out as well?
Why did it take 15 years from Palpatine gaining supreme authority to dissolving the senate?
How does someone create three movies with more plot holes than quality acting performances?
I stop here because the case in point isn't that he changed his audience, it that he made blatantly shitty movies with no respect to even his own previous work.
I understand time passed between creating the two but I can't imagine that he forgot one of his greatest successes to the point that he couldn't spot massive continuity errors.
I was personally a large fan of the expanded universe, and it's certainly well within Lucas' right not to honor the creation of others but for Christ sake they did a much much much better job respecting the canon that Lucas had laid down.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054240</id>
	<title>Re:If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1265576340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I don't, but last time I checked there's nothing wrong with telling an artist that his "Jar Jar Binks" phase of work was absolute shit. I don't want him to change them like he did with 4-6, I want him to go back in time and do them right before I ever watch them the first time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't , but last time I checked there 's nothing wrong with telling an artist that his " Jar Jar Binks " phase of work was absolute shit .
I do n't want him to change them like he did with 4-6 , I want him to go back in time and do them right before I ever watch them the first time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't, but last time I checked there's nothing wrong with telling an artist that his "Jar Jar Binks" phase of work was absolute shit.
I don't want him to change them like he did with 4-6, I want him to go back in time and do them right before I ever watch them the first time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31057238</id>
	<title>Re:More concise...</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1265557620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in, you're gonna thank me.</p></div><p>Took over 6, but I listened to your advice, and I now wish to<b> thank you</b>.</p><p>This Star Wars review had a a lot more dead hooker jokes than I expected<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in , you 're gon na thank me.Took over 6 , but I listened to your advice , and I now wish to thank you.This Star Wars review had a a lot more dead hooker jokes than I expected : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't let the annoying voice make you stop after 2 minutes - once you get about 5 minutes in, you're gonna thank me.Took over 6, but I listened to your advice, and I now wish to thank you.This Star Wars review had a a lot more dead hooker jokes than I expected :)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054970</id>
	<title>Re:And people should also look at...</title>
	<author>lyinhart</author>
	<datestamp>1265538420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Worth noting: Matthew Stover wrote the novelization of "Revenge of the Sith".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Worth noting : Matthew Stover wrote the novelization of " Revenge of the Sith " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worth noting: Matthew Stover wrote the novelization of "Revenge of the Sith".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31055958</id>
	<title>Prostate cancer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265544960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's recovery from prostate cancer, not colon cancer. Read the article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's recovery from prostate cancer , not colon cancer .
Read the article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's recovery from prostate cancer, not colon cancer.
Read the article.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056552</id>
	<title>Re:How about space opera that doesn't suck?</title>
	<author>mr.dreadful</author>
	<datestamp>1265551020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext>feh -- I was right there with you until you mentioned Avatar. Avatar is technically beautiful, but the storyline is regurgitated tripe. I won't even bother with the usual "the movies is just Pocahantas/Ferngully/etc" explanation, since it's easily found.

Technically beautiful but weak story..? Hmmm... that sounds familiar....</htmltext>
<tokenext>feh -- I was right there with you until you mentioned Avatar .
Avatar is technically beautiful , but the storyline is regurgitated tripe .
I wo n't even bother with the usual " the movies is just Pocahantas/Ferngully/etc " explanation , since it 's easily found .
Technically beautiful but weak story.. ?
Hmmm... that sounds familiar... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>feh -- I was right there with you until you mentioned Avatar.
Avatar is technically beautiful, but the storyline is regurgitated tripe.
I won't even bother with the usual "the movies is just Pocahantas/Ferngully/etc" explanation, since it's easily found.
Technically beautiful but weak story..?
Hmmm... that sounds familiar....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056430</id>
	<title>Re:No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1265549760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>&gt;Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc. Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact.
<br> <br>
It's true, when I saw Episode 1 in the theater, I was immediately struck by how awful it was.
<br> <br>
And yet, years later, it seems an almost perfect mirror-image of Episode 4.  The princess running for her life.  The hero growing up and being abandoned.  The award ceremony at the end.
<br> <br>
There's quite more depth to the pod-racer scene, when you drop the idea that it's silly action nonsense, and focus on the fact that a 10-year-old kid had to engineer and pilot his own craft, just to win his freedom.  The adults (including a Jedi) could do no more than cheer him on.  It's like a kids' soccer tournament to the death.  Nothing could be blacker or more desperate.
<br> <br>
When you consider that Lucas actually <i>cares</i> about his franchise, that he thinks about this stuff <i>way more than you do</i>, whole new worlds open up in the imagination.</div>
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<tokenext>&gt; Kids now quote the Matrix , Lord of the Rings , etc .
Episode 1 was just another blockbuster , made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact .
It 's true , when I saw Episode 1 in the theater , I was immediately struck by how awful it was .
And yet , years later , it seems an almost perfect mirror-image of Episode 4 .
The princess running for her life .
The hero growing up and being abandoned .
The award ceremony at the end .
There 's quite more depth to the pod-racer scene , when you drop the idea that it 's silly action nonsense , and focus on the fact that a 10-year-old kid had to engineer and pilot his own craft , just to win his freedom .
The adults ( including a Jedi ) could do no more than cheer him on .
It 's like a kids ' soccer tournament to the death .
Nothing could be blacker or more desperate .
When you consider that Lucas actually cares about his franchise , that he thinks about this stuff way more than you do , whole new worlds open up in the imagination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc.
Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact.
It's true, when I saw Episode 1 in the theater, I was immediately struck by how awful it was.
And yet, years later, it seems an almost perfect mirror-image of Episode 4.
The princess running for her life.
The hero growing up and being abandoned.
The award ceremony at the end.
There's quite more depth to the pod-racer scene, when you drop the idea that it's silly action nonsense, and focus on the fact that a 10-year-old kid had to engineer and pilot his own craft, just to win his freedom.
The adults (including a Jedi) could do no more than cheer him on.
It's like a kids' soccer tournament to the death.
Nothing could be blacker or more desperate.
When you consider that Lucas actually cares about his franchise, that he thinks about this stuff way more than you do, whole new worlds open up in the imagination.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056042</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265545560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Of course you don't understand it.  You grew up and had kids.  Many SW fans didn't.</p><p>That aside, the original trilogy had an adult quality to it that the prequel trilogy does not have.  Yes there were ewoks, but the general level of infantile humor and logic are much higher in the prequel films.</p><p>This is because Lucas was making them unchecked by any other creative minds.  The original films bear the unmistakable imprint of talented filmmakers like Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, and Lawrence Kasdan.</p><p>Lucas has gone on record saying that he feels Empire is the worst film because it's too dark. Can you imagine that?  Empire is the worst? He actually said that.  Wow.</p><p>Read Dale Pollack's book Skywalking and you'll see that it was a tug of war between Lucas' kid-centric aims and Kershner/Kasdan/Brackett wanting to make a great film as opposed to a nursery rhyme.</p><p>In the end, there were some checks and balances on Lucas in the original trilogy.  There were no such checks and balances on the prequel trilogy and the result is a group of films that plays much younger (and arguably reveals him to be a hack of a director who wasn't surrounded by yes-men on the original films).</p><p>Chirp on all you want about how the original trilogy was for kids.  Reality paints a different picture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course you do n't understand it .
You grew up and had kids .
Many SW fans did n't.That aside , the original trilogy had an adult quality to it that the prequel trilogy does not have .
Yes there were ewoks , but the general level of infantile humor and logic are much higher in the prequel films.This is because Lucas was making them unchecked by any other creative minds .
The original films bear the unmistakable imprint of talented filmmakers like Gary Kurtz , Irvin Kershner , and Lawrence Kasdan.Lucas has gone on record saying that he feels Empire is the worst film because it 's too dark .
Can you imagine that ?
Empire is the worst ?
He actually said that .
Wow.Read Dale Pollack 's book Skywalking and you 'll see that it was a tug of war between Lucas ' kid-centric aims and Kershner/Kasdan/Brackett wanting to make a great film as opposed to a nursery rhyme.In the end , there were some checks and balances on Lucas in the original trilogy .
There were no such checks and balances on the prequel trilogy and the result is a group of films that plays much younger ( and arguably reveals him to be a hack of a director who was n't surrounded by yes-men on the original films ) .Chirp on all you want about how the original trilogy was for kids .
Reality paints a different picture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course you don't understand it.
You grew up and had kids.
Many SW fans didn't.That aside, the original trilogy had an adult quality to it that the prequel trilogy does not have.
Yes there were ewoks, but the general level of infantile humor and logic are much higher in the prequel films.This is because Lucas was making them unchecked by any other creative minds.
The original films bear the unmistakable imprint of talented filmmakers like Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, and Lawrence Kasdan.Lucas has gone on record saying that he feels Empire is the worst film because it's too dark.
Can you imagine that?
Empire is the worst?
He actually said that.
Wow.Read Dale Pollack's book Skywalking and you'll see that it was a tug of war between Lucas' kid-centric aims and Kershner/Kasdan/Brackett wanting to make a great film as opposed to a nursery rhyme.In the end, there were some checks and balances on Lucas in the original trilogy.
There were no such checks and balances on the prequel trilogy and the result is a group of films that plays much younger (and arguably reveals him to be a hack of a director who wasn't surrounded by yes-men on the original films).Chirp on all you want about how the original trilogy was for kids.
Reality paints a different picture.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054638</id>
	<title>Title got my hopes up</title>
	<author>Anarchitektur</author>
	<datestamp>1265536140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The title of the movie made me think, "At last, we'll get a Supreme Court ruling over whether or not Han shot first."</htmltext>
<tokenext>The title of the movie made me think , " At last , we 'll get a Supreme Court ruling over whether or not Han shot first .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The title of the movie made me think, "At last, we'll get a Supreme Court ruling over whether or not Han shot first.
"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>hypermush</author>
	<datestamp>1265625600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>TWO MMOs!?!

My God man, that's convincing!</htmltext>
<tokenext>TWO MMOs ! ? !
My God man , that 's convincing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TWO MMOs!?!
My God man, that's convincing!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054982</id>
	<title>Patton Oswalt</title>
	<author>lyinhart</author>
	<datestamp>1265538540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The film looks good, but Patton Oswalt best sums up the feeling of almost every single jaded Star Wars fan: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp\_Y" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp\_Y</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>The film looks good , but Patton Oswalt best sums up the feeling of almost every single jaded Star Wars fan : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = LDCjIjsZp \ _Y [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The film looks good, but Patton Oswalt best sums up the feeling of almost every single jaded Star Wars fan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp\_Y [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054614</id>
	<title>Re:How about space opera that doesn't suck?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1265535900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I think Lucas nailed space opera in "Star Wars" (now retro numbered as "Ep IV"): the sense of wonder, the exuberant, don't look too closely at the seams where I stitched the archetypes together pacing.   In large part its because he didn't have the budget or time to make it smooth and show you all the details. You'd see something just long enough to be interested (the Benny Goodman clarinet players in the cantina) then cut away before you had a good look.</p><p>But he couldn't keep it up.</p><p>Genres come and go in movies like any other kind of fashion.  Once Hollywood turned out western after western.  Most of them were dreck, a few are among the best and most thoughtful movies ever made (*The Searchers*).   Space opera went from a new, full-blown maturity in Star Wars Ep IV to decadance in record time, driven by technology and vast amounts of money funding people who *could* be creative, but not on somebody else's hundred million dollar budget.</p><p>If there is any hope, it's in the kind of people who make fan films.  Bad as they are, they aren't ashamed to take risks because everyone *knows* they're probably bad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Lucas nailed space opera in " Star Wars " ( now retro numbered as " Ep IV " ) : the sense of wonder , the exuberant , do n't look too closely at the seams where I stitched the archetypes together pacing .
In large part its because he did n't have the budget or time to make it smooth and show you all the details .
You 'd see something just long enough to be interested ( the Benny Goodman clarinet players in the cantina ) then cut away before you had a good look.But he could n't keep it up.Genres come and go in movies like any other kind of fashion .
Once Hollywood turned out western after western .
Most of them were dreck , a few are among the best and most thoughtful movies ever made ( * The Searchers * ) .
Space opera went from a new , full-blown maturity in Star Wars Ep IV to decadance in record time , driven by technology and vast amounts of money funding people who * could * be creative , but not on somebody else 's hundred million dollar budget.If there is any hope , it 's in the kind of people who make fan films .
Bad as they are , they are n't ashamed to take risks because everyone * knows * they 're probably bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Lucas nailed space opera in "Star Wars" (now retro numbered as "Ep IV"): the sense of wonder, the exuberant, don't look too closely at the seams where I stitched the archetypes together pacing.
In large part its because he didn't have the budget or time to make it smooth and show you all the details.
You'd see something just long enough to be interested (the Benny Goodman clarinet players in the cantina) then cut away before you had a good look.But he couldn't keep it up.Genres come and go in movies like any other kind of fashion.
Once Hollywood turned out western after western.
Most of them were dreck, a few are among the best and most thoughtful movies ever made (*The Searchers*).
Space opera went from a new, full-blown maturity in Star Wars Ep IV to decadance in record time, driven by technology and vast amounts of money funding people who *could* be creative, but not on somebody else's hundred million dollar budget.If there is any hope, it's in the kind of people who make fan films.
Bad as they are, they aren't ashamed to take risks because everyone *knows* they're probably bad.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Varied Career?</title>
	<author>Whatshisface</author>
	<datestamp>1265634780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p> <i>David Prowse, the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader (Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI)</i> </p><p>Does anyone else find it funny that the example given for his long and varied career is that he played Darth Vader in 3 different movies?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>David Prowse , the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader ( Star Wars Episodes IV , V , and VI ) Does anyone else find it funny that the example given for his long and varied career is that he played Darth Vader in 3 different movies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> David Prowse, the 74-year-old actor who has enjoyed a long and varied career filled with roles such as Darth Vader (Star Wars Episodes IV, V, and VI) Does anyone else find it funny that the example given for his long and varied career is that he played Darth Vader in 3 different movies?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054122</id>
	<title>Re:If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1265575320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i><br>As soon as you start making changes(remove Jar Jar, etc) it ceases to become Lucas' artwork, and moreso a "design by committee".<br></i><br>I think that's kind of the point.</p><p><i><br>but I don't see how the fans have a say in someone else's art.<br></i><br>Heh.  There's an old cliche.  "Good artists borrow, great artists steal".  Obviously nobody has any legal rights to be able to take SW and change it around to their own pleasing.  But you sound like you're going beyond that and claiming nobody should do this on some sort of moral or ethical grounds.  If that's the case, all art is guilty of the crime you describe.  I'd go so far as all creative works are guilty of it.  If you think creation comes out of a vacuum, think again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As soon as you start making changes ( remove Jar Jar , etc ) it ceases to become Lucas ' artwork , and moreso a " design by committee " .I think that 's kind of the point.but I do n't see how the fans have a say in someone else 's art.Heh .
There 's an old cliche .
" Good artists borrow , great artists steal " .
Obviously nobody has any legal rights to be able to take SW and change it around to their own pleasing .
But you sound like you 're going beyond that and claiming nobody should do this on some sort of moral or ethical grounds .
If that 's the case , all art is guilty of the crime you describe .
I 'd go so far as all creative works are guilty of it .
If you think creation comes out of a vacuum , think again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As soon as you start making changes(remove Jar Jar, etc) it ceases to become Lucas' artwork, and moreso a "design by committee".I think that's kind of the point.but I don't see how the fans have a say in someone else's art.Heh.
There's an old cliche.
"Good artists borrow, great artists steal".
Obviously nobody has any legal rights to be able to take SW and change it around to their own pleasing.
But you sound like you're going beyond that and claiming nobody should do this on some sort of moral or ethical grounds.
If that's the case, all art is guilty of the crime you describe.
I'd go so far as all creative works are guilty of it.
If you think creation comes out of a vacuum, think again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31055416</id>
	<title>That reminds me,what's the deal with being higher?</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1265541180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I mean in RotS. In that last fight Ben says he wins because he's higher but it made no sense that it would make that much of a difference. (Especially given how much they're flipping around and everything.) I'd expect being higher makes a difference with distance weapons. (Since you'd be able to shoot farther.) Also if reality is anything like a FPS it's easier to hide if you're above your opponent for sniper shots. Finally I could seen that with a weapon with weight being above would have gravity help drive your weapon through your opponent. Unfortunately none of those were true and I'd think the fact Ben would have to reach down to get to Anakin's head yet Ben's legs were rather vulnerable would mean you're better of being low in that case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean in RotS .
In that last fight Ben says he wins because he 's higher but it made no sense that it would make that much of a difference .
( Especially given how much they 're flipping around and everything .
) I 'd expect being higher makes a difference with distance weapons .
( Since you 'd be able to shoot farther .
) Also if reality is anything like a FPS it 's easier to hide if you 're above your opponent for sniper shots .
Finally I could seen that with a weapon with weight being above would have gravity help drive your weapon through your opponent .
Unfortunately none of those were true and I 'd think the fact Ben would have to reach down to get to Anakin 's head yet Ben 's legs were rather vulnerable would mean you 're better of being low in that case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean in RotS.
In that last fight Ben says he wins because he's higher but it made no sense that it would make that much of a difference.
(Especially given how much they're flipping around and everything.
) I'd expect being higher makes a difference with distance weapons.
(Since you'd be able to shoot farther.
) Also if reality is anything like a FPS it's easier to hide if you're above your opponent for sniper shots.
Finally I could seen that with a weapon with weight being above would have gravity help drive your weapon through your opponent.
Unfortunately none of those were true and I'd think the fact Ben would have to reach down to get to Anakin's head yet Ben's legs were rather vulnerable would mean you're better of being low in that case.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1265541660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The love/hate relationship obsessive fans have with their objects of devotion is indeed worthy of investigation. I looked through the archives at snpp.com, which record comments on/reviews of Simpsons episodes on the Simpsons newsgroup. The first episode they record any real reviews for, Radio Bart, is episode 13 in season 3. It got great reviews. With the very next episode, you start getting reviews saying that the Simpsons had lost its way, become crap, etc.. Obsessed Simpsons fans have been saying that over and over to this very day.</p><p>Star Wars is a little bit different, though. The prequels just sucked. There's no psychological analysis necessary. They were just lame movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The love/hate relationship obsessive fans have with their objects of devotion is indeed worthy of investigation .
I looked through the archives at snpp.com , which record comments on/reviews of Simpsons episodes on the Simpsons newsgroup .
The first episode they record any real reviews for , Radio Bart , is episode 13 in season 3 .
It got great reviews .
With the very next episode , you start getting reviews saying that the Simpsons had lost its way , become crap , etc.. Obsessed Simpsons fans have been saying that over and over to this very day.Star Wars is a little bit different , though .
The prequels just sucked .
There 's no psychological analysis necessary .
They were just lame movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The love/hate relationship obsessive fans have with their objects of devotion is indeed worthy of investigation.
I looked through the archives at snpp.com, which record comments on/reviews of Simpsons episodes on the Simpsons newsgroup.
The first episode they record any real reviews for, Radio Bart, is episode 13 in season 3.
It got great reviews.
With the very next episode, you start getting reviews saying that the Simpsons had lost its way, become crap, etc.. Obsessed Simpsons fans have been saying that over and over to this very day.Star Wars is a little bit different, though.
The prequels just sucked.
There's no psychological analysis necessary.
They were just lame movies.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>alvinrod</author>
	<datestamp>1265574240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>We don't have a say in someone else's art if that other person doesn't want us to have one, but regardless we can be critical of it. If you happened to see it, feel free to critique it. A natural part of that may be suggesting how it could have been done better.
<br> <br>
Also, how are we supposed to know whether or not we'll like something until we actually see it? We might have past experiences that can lead us to form an impression, but until we actually see it for ourselves our assumption is based on second hand opinions and our own preconceived notions. Sometimes those are horribly wrong. For example, based on the original trilogy, people would have good reason to think that they would like Episode 1. Many of those people found out that they thought wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't have a say in someone else 's art if that other person does n't want us to have one , but regardless we can be critical of it .
If you happened to see it , feel free to critique it .
A natural part of that may be suggesting how it could have been done better .
Also , how are we supposed to know whether or not we 'll like something until we actually see it ?
We might have past experiences that can lead us to form an impression , but until we actually see it for ourselves our assumption is based on second hand opinions and our own preconceived notions .
Sometimes those are horribly wrong .
For example , based on the original trilogy , people would have good reason to think that they would like Episode 1 .
Many of those people found out that they thought wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't have a say in someone else's art if that other person doesn't want us to have one, but regardless we can be critical of it.
If you happened to see it, feel free to critique it.
A natural part of that may be suggesting how it could have been done better.
Also, how are we supposed to know whether or not we'll like something until we actually see it?
We might have past experiences that can lead us to form an impression, but until we actually see it for ourselves our assumption is based on second hand opinions and our own preconceived notions.
Sometimes those are horribly wrong.
For example, based on the original trilogy, people would have good reason to think that they would like Episode 1.
Many of those people found out that they thought wrong.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>V50</author>
	<datestamp>1265537400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I agree. I can't really comprehend the sheer hatred of Lucas by some members of the SW Fandom. I liked Original Trilogy. I liked the Prequel Trilogy. I didn't like the Prequel Trilogy as much as the Originals (although I do like RotS more than RotJ), but I still like both. As do most people I talk to who would count as "people who like Star Wars", if not "SW Fans". They just don't go on the Internet and post incoherent rage filled rants.</p><p>I was 11 when I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters. I liked Jar-Jar then (although these days I'm sort of embarrassed to admit it), as did most of my mildly nerdy 11 year old friends. I know many people (kids and parents of kids, mostly) who still like Jar-Jar. It's not like Lucas thought "You know who I hate? MY FANS!" and decided to do everything possible to make them hate Ep. I-III. A lot of the stuff that people don't like about Ep. I in particular (pod races, and such) I remember really liking when I was a kid, getting my parents to buy me toy pod racers, and spending hours playing the N64 pod racing game with my friends. While 11 years later, I no longer like Jar-Jar and think he was a mistake, I can see where Lucas was coming from. I'm fairly confident he was trying to recreate his success with making C3PO and R2D2 as comic relief characters. Actually, to be honest, I'm not really sure if I'd dislike Jar-Jar so much if I hadn't have ended up learning how much other people hated him.</p><p>Also, with the exception of the Greedo shooting thing, I really like the Special Editions. They came out a year after I saw VHS versions of the original movies, let us see the movies in theaters, made my brother and I buy a ton of Star Wars toys (which we still have), and hyped us up for Ep. I. They seemed to have served their purpose. I didn't even learn about the Greedo thing (and hence never cared) until like three years ago.</p><p>Either way, I agree with you on pretty much every count. Plus, from a sheer monetary point of view, my brother, me, and my friends were made to like Star Wars because of the Special Editions and the prequel trilogy. We bought toys, video games, other mechandise. Many of us still buy Star Wars stuff. (KotoR, Force Unleashed, Lego Star Wars, Thrawn Trilogy). I'm hesitant to call myself a Star Wars fan, if only because my view of a fan of anything (SW, Star Trek, Comics, Transformers, Fallout) is someone who goes on message boards and complains about every single change and rants about how much they hate every aspect of what they are a fan of. Hence, I try not to ever call myself a fan of something. Just "someone who enjoys X".</p><p>Oh, and I'm fully expecting some AC to call me worse than Hitler or something because I liked Jar-Jar when I was a kid. And bought Ewok toys when the Special Editions came out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I ca n't really comprehend the sheer hatred of Lucas by some members of the SW Fandom .
I liked Original Trilogy .
I liked the Prequel Trilogy .
I did n't like the Prequel Trilogy as much as the Originals ( although I do like RotS more than RotJ ) , but I still like both .
As do most people I talk to who would count as " people who like Star Wars " , if not " SW Fans " .
They just do n't go on the Internet and post incoherent rage filled rants.I was 11 when I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters .
I liked Jar-Jar then ( although these days I 'm sort of embarrassed to admit it ) , as did most of my mildly nerdy 11 year old friends .
I know many people ( kids and parents of kids , mostly ) who still like Jar-Jar .
It 's not like Lucas thought " You know who I hate ?
MY FANS !
" and decided to do everything possible to make them hate Ep .
I-III. A lot of the stuff that people do n't like about Ep .
I in particular ( pod races , and such ) I remember really liking when I was a kid , getting my parents to buy me toy pod racers , and spending hours playing the N64 pod racing game with my friends .
While 11 years later , I no longer like Jar-Jar and think he was a mistake , I can see where Lucas was coming from .
I 'm fairly confident he was trying to recreate his success with making C3PO and R2D2 as comic relief characters .
Actually , to be honest , I 'm not really sure if I 'd dislike Jar-Jar so much if I had n't have ended up learning how much other people hated him.Also , with the exception of the Greedo shooting thing , I really like the Special Editions .
They came out a year after I saw VHS versions of the original movies , let us see the movies in theaters , made my brother and I buy a ton of Star Wars toys ( which we still have ) , and hyped us up for Ep .
I. They seemed to have served their purpose .
I did n't even learn about the Greedo thing ( and hence never cared ) until like three years ago.Either way , I agree with you on pretty much every count .
Plus , from a sheer monetary point of view , my brother , me , and my friends were made to like Star Wars because of the Special Editions and the prequel trilogy .
We bought toys , video games , other mechandise .
Many of us still buy Star Wars stuff .
( KotoR , Force Unleashed , Lego Star Wars , Thrawn Trilogy ) .
I 'm hesitant to call myself a Star Wars fan , if only because my view of a fan of anything ( SW , Star Trek , Comics , Transformers , Fallout ) is someone who goes on message boards and complains about every single change and rants about how much they hate every aspect of what they are a fan of .
Hence , I try not to ever call myself a fan of something .
Just " someone who enjoys X " .Oh , and I 'm fully expecting some AC to call me worse than Hitler or something because I liked Jar-Jar when I was a kid .
And bought Ewok toys when the Special Editions came out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I can't really comprehend the sheer hatred of Lucas by some members of the SW Fandom.
I liked Original Trilogy.
I liked the Prequel Trilogy.
I didn't like the Prequel Trilogy as much as the Originals (although I do like RotS more than RotJ), but I still like both.
As do most people I talk to who would count as "people who like Star Wars", if not "SW Fans".
They just don't go on the Internet and post incoherent rage filled rants.I was 11 when I saw The Phantom Menace in theaters.
I liked Jar-Jar then (although these days I'm sort of embarrassed to admit it), as did most of my mildly nerdy 11 year old friends.
I know many people (kids and parents of kids, mostly) who still like Jar-Jar.
It's not like Lucas thought "You know who I hate?
MY FANS!
" and decided to do everything possible to make them hate Ep.
I-III. A lot of the stuff that people don't like about Ep.
I in particular (pod races, and such) I remember really liking when I was a kid, getting my parents to buy me toy pod racers, and spending hours playing the N64 pod racing game with my friends.
While 11 years later, I no longer like Jar-Jar and think he was a mistake, I can see where Lucas was coming from.
I'm fairly confident he was trying to recreate his success with making C3PO and R2D2 as comic relief characters.
Actually, to be honest, I'm not really sure if I'd dislike Jar-Jar so much if I hadn't have ended up learning how much other people hated him.Also, with the exception of the Greedo shooting thing, I really like the Special Editions.
They came out a year after I saw VHS versions of the original movies, let us see the movies in theaters, made my brother and I buy a ton of Star Wars toys (which we still have), and hyped us up for Ep.
I. They seemed to have served their purpose.
I didn't even learn about the Greedo thing (and hence never cared) until like three years ago.Either way, I agree with you on pretty much every count.
Plus, from a sheer monetary point of view, my brother, me, and my friends were made to like Star Wars because of the Special Editions and the prequel trilogy.
We bought toys, video games, other mechandise.
Many of us still buy Star Wars stuff.
(KotoR, Force Unleashed, Lego Star Wars, Thrawn Trilogy).
I'm hesitant to call myself a Star Wars fan, if only because my view of a fan of anything (SW, Star Trek, Comics, Transformers, Fallout) is someone who goes on message boards and complains about every single change and rants about how much they hate every aspect of what they are a fan of.
Hence, I try not to ever call myself a fan of something.
Just "someone who enjoys X".Oh, and I'm fully expecting some AC to call me worse than Hitler or something because I liked Jar-Jar when I was a kid.
And bought Ewok toys when the Special Editions came out.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Eh no, you are wrong</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1265537100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Because this would NOT be like Einstein becoming a creationist. This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it and then people slowly realizing that his original work was not his own work at all but that of the people around him.
</p><p>If you are willing to read into the development behind the original movie, then you notice that Lucas had far less to do with that movie and had more people around him who were willing to oppose him, who he was willing to listen to and frankly Lucas knowing he could NOT do everything.
</p><p>For instance it is recognized that a lot of the writing was in fact done by his then wife. That does not say that was Lucas did with A New Hope was not amazing, it was, but the amazing thing he really did was get a team together, lead them and then allowed them produce this movie that had such an imprint on society that it has become part of western culture.
</p><p>With the prequels, he took far more control and surrounded himself by a 2 yes men. You can see it in the documentaries, you can see nobody willing to say "this doesn't work" even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results.
</p><p>And so, we do NOT say "oh he sucks because of those prequel movies" but "he sucks because it turned out it was the team that made the original movies and now he is a big shot and can do it all himself, he blows chunks".
</p><p>In a way, the fans may be to blame. How many times have we called out to Lucas as this great filmmaker and given him an ego, rather then saying "wow, all those people that worked on it, made a fantasic movie of which Lucas was the producer?". The fans and George Lucas have come to believe that he could make a movie all alone. He can't.
</p><p>And part may also be tech limits. I get the feeling that if Lucas had had the budget and credit, he would have made A New Hope in the same way, with a leaping Obi-Wan and a flying Artoo and god knows what more.
</p><p>Ultimately, A New Hope might just have been an accident. A producer new enough to still listen, actors willing to risk talking back because they weren't to much in awe of either the man or the money. Tech which prevented to much slapstick in the mids of combat and a wife would could actually write. And that is a pretty sad conclusion, because there really hasn't been anything close to Star Wars. Well, the Lord of the Rings, but that was based on an existing book. Were is the next George Lucas who can have an entire audience love a simple fairytale for decades?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because this would NOT be like Einstein becoming a creationist .
This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it and then people slowly realizing that his original work was not his own work at all but that of the people around him .
If you are willing to read into the development behind the original movie , then you notice that Lucas had far less to do with that movie and had more people around him who were willing to oppose him , who he was willing to listen to and frankly Lucas knowing he could NOT do everything .
For instance it is recognized that a lot of the writing was in fact done by his then wife .
That does not say that was Lucas did with A New Hope was not amazing , it was , but the amazing thing he really did was get a team together , lead them and then allowed them produce this movie that had such an imprint on society that it has become part of western culture .
With the prequels , he took far more control and surrounded himself by a 2 yes men .
You can see it in the documentaries , you can see nobody willing to say " this does n't work " even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results .
And so , we do NOT say " oh he sucks because of those prequel movies " but " he sucks because it turned out it was the team that made the original movies and now he is a big shot and can do it all himself , he blows chunks " .
In a way , the fans may be to blame .
How many times have we called out to Lucas as this great filmmaker and given him an ego , rather then saying " wow , all those people that worked on it , made a fantasic movie of which Lucas was the producer ? " .
The fans and George Lucas have come to believe that he could make a movie all alone .
He ca n't .
And part may also be tech limits .
I get the feeling that if Lucas had had the budget and credit , he would have made A New Hope in the same way , with a leaping Obi-Wan and a flying Artoo and god knows what more .
Ultimately , A New Hope might just have been an accident .
A producer new enough to still listen , actors willing to risk talking back because they were n't to much in awe of either the man or the money .
Tech which prevented to much slapstick in the mids of combat and a wife would could actually write .
And that is a pretty sad conclusion , because there really has n't been anything close to Star Wars .
Well , the Lord of the Rings , but that was based on an existing book .
Were is the next George Lucas who can have an entire audience love a simple fairytale for decades ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because this would NOT be like Einstein becoming a creationist.
This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it and then people slowly realizing that his original work was not his own work at all but that of the people around him.
If you are willing to read into the development behind the original movie, then you notice that Lucas had far less to do with that movie and had more people around him who were willing to oppose him, who he was willing to listen to and frankly Lucas knowing he could NOT do everything.
For instance it is recognized that a lot of the writing was in fact done by his then wife.
That does not say that was Lucas did with A New Hope was not amazing, it was, but the amazing thing he really did was get a team together, lead them and then allowed them produce this movie that had such an imprint on society that it has become part of western culture.
With the prequels, he took far more control and surrounded himself by a 2 yes men.
You can see it in the documentaries, you can see nobody willing to say "this doesn't work" even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results.
And so, we do NOT say "oh he sucks because of those prequel movies" but "he sucks because it turned out it was the team that made the original movies and now he is a big shot and can do it all himself, he blows chunks".
In a way, the fans may be to blame.
How many times have we called out to Lucas as this great filmmaker and given him an ego, rather then saying "wow, all those people that worked on it, made a fantasic movie of which Lucas was the producer?".
The fans and George Lucas have come to believe that he could make a movie all alone.
He can't.
And part may also be tech limits.
I get the feeling that if Lucas had had the budget and credit, he would have made A New Hope in the same way, with a leaping Obi-Wan and a flying Artoo and god knows what more.
Ultimately, A New Hope might just have been an accident.
A producer new enough to still listen, actors willing to risk talking back because they weren't to much in awe of either the man or the money.
Tech which prevented to much slapstick in the mids of combat and a wife would could actually write.
And that is a pretty sad conclusion, because there really hasn't been anything close to Star Wars.
Well, the Lord of the Rings, but that was based on an existing book.
Were is the next George Lucas who can have an entire audience love a simple fairytale for decades?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1265548440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>&gt;Ep IV was decent, had a great story and was entertaining for the times.
<br> <br>
Actually, Ep. 4 is known in Hollywood as one of the most sublime John Galt productions of all time, an example of a shepard willfully turning his back on his flock and producing a film *intentionally* of bad quality...After getting ass-raped on THX-1138, Lucas' goal in American Graffiti and Ep. 4 was nothing less than to show the American public <i>just how low their standards are</i>.
<br> <br>
It's a testament to Lucas' skill that in making a deliberately-bad film, he made a classic.  Even <i>he</i> could not dumb himself down enough to fail.
<br> <br>
&gt;Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children.
<br> <br>
Except for the constant presence of Yoda, preaching at a 16-year-old Luke.  Easily as distracting as Jar Jar and just as worthy of fast-forwarding through.
<br> <br>
I could go on.  I think you are an example of the type of fan that Lucas has little regard for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Ep IV was decent , had a great story and was entertaining for the times .
Actually , Ep .
4 is known in Hollywood as one of the most sublime John Galt productions of all time , an example of a shepard willfully turning his back on his flock and producing a film * intentionally * of bad quality...After getting ass-raped on THX-1138 , Lucas ' goal in American Graffiti and Ep .
4 was nothing less than to show the American public just how low their standards are .
It 's a testament to Lucas ' skill that in making a deliberately-bad film , he made a classic .
Even he could not dumb himself down enough to fail .
&gt; Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children .
Except for the constant presence of Yoda , preaching at a 16-year-old Luke .
Easily as distracting as Jar Jar and just as worthy of fast-forwarding through .
I could go on .
I think you are an example of the type of fan that Lucas has little regard for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Ep IV was decent, had a great story and was entertaining for the times.
Actually, Ep.
4 is known in Hollywood as one of the most sublime John Galt productions of all time, an example of a shepard willfully turning his back on his flock and producing a film *intentionally* of bad quality...After getting ass-raped on THX-1138, Lucas' goal in American Graffiti and Ep.
4 was nothing less than to show the American public just how low their standards are.
It's a testament to Lucas' skill that in making a deliberately-bad film, he made a classic.
Even he could not dumb himself down enough to fail.
&gt;Ep V was most definitely not aimed at children.
Except for the constant presence of Yoda, preaching at a 16-year-old Luke.
Easily as distracting as Jar Jar and just as worthy of fast-forwarding through.
I could go on.
I think you are an example of the type of fan that Lucas has little regard for.</sentencetext>
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	<title>decent promo site</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265551200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>great website for the film actually. the anti-flash bitches seem to have quite their whining for the time being!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>great website for the film actually .
the anti-flash bitches seem to have quite their whining for the time being !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>great website for the film actually.
the anti-flash bitches seem to have quite their whining for the time being!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Lucas's only mistake was</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265575680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>ever trying to give people what they want</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ever trying to give people what they want</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ever trying to give people what they want</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1265637600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you study movies, Star Wars: A New Hope, must be included. It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous. If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but rather a new series. (Okay, so that is another thing we can blame lucas for).
</p></div><p>If you study movies "The Hidden Fortress" must be included (see <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/" title="imdb.com">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/</a> [imdb.com] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Hidden\_Fortress" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Hidden\_Fortress</a> [wikipedia.org]).<br>
This was the basis for the simple story of Star Wars: A New Hope... Although the movie is black and white and 2 decades older I found it very entertaining, and the parallels with Star Wars are obvious.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you study movies , Star Wars : A New Hope , must be included .
It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous .
If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek : The Motion Picture , but rather a new series .
( Okay , so that is another thing we can blame lucas for ) .
If you study movies " The Hidden Fortress " must be included ( see http : //www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/ [ imdb.com ] and http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The \ _Hidden \ _Fortress [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
This was the basis for the simple story of Star Wars : A New Hope... Although the movie is black and white and 2 decades older I found it very entertaining , and the parallels with Star Wars are obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you study movies, Star Wars: A New Hope, must be included.
It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous.
If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but rather a new series.
(Okay, so that is another thing we can blame lucas for).
If you study movies "The Hidden Fortress" must be included (see http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051808/ [imdb.com] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Hidden\_Fortress [wikipedia.org]).
This was the basis for the simple story of Star Wars: A New Hope... Although the movie is black and white and 2 decades older I found it very entertaining, and the parallels with Star Wars are obvious.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31055004</id>
	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>Jartan</author>
	<datestamp>1265538720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's not that anyone hates Lucas for making crap.  It's that we hate him for not allowing other people to make decent stuff out of Star Wars since then.   Frankly the concept that someone can still retain copyright on heavily derivative works even after making so much profit already is just stupid.   Nothing illustrates this fact better than Star Wars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that anyone hates Lucas for making crap .
It 's that we hate him for not allowing other people to make decent stuff out of Star Wars since then .
Frankly the concept that someone can still retain copyright on heavily derivative works even after making so much profit already is just stupid .
Nothing illustrates this fact better than Star Wars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that anyone hates Lucas for making crap.
It's that we hate him for not allowing other people to make decent stuff out of Star Wars since then.
Frankly the concept that someone can still retain copyright on heavily derivative works even after making so much profit already is just stupid.
Nothing illustrates this fact better than Star Wars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056948</id>
	<title>Re:Re-re-re-release of Star Wars Episodes V!</title>
	<author>jerep</author>
	<datestamp>1265554620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Man, that new version must have sucked balls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , that new version must have sucked balls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, that new version must have sucked balls.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31055152</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1265539500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I agree. The Lucas hate is just a fanboy fringe thing that gets too much play on the internet.</p><p>I didnt expect episodes 1-3 to be any good.  You cant take a director who hasnt directed in 30 years and suddenly expect him to be in peak form. If you have realistic expectations in life then you'll find yourself less outraged.  Creative people often peak, usually early in life.</p><p>I also think its important to remember that Lucas is one of the few owners of a popular franchise that didnt turn it into crappy licensed videogames.  A lot of my Star Wars nostalgia has to do with the excellent games put out by Lucasarts as much as the original movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The Lucas hate is just a fanboy fringe thing that gets too much play on the internet.I didnt expect episodes 1-3 to be any good .
You cant take a director who hasnt directed in 30 years and suddenly expect him to be in peak form .
If you have realistic expectations in life then you 'll find yourself less outraged .
Creative people often peak , usually early in life.I also think its important to remember that Lucas is one of the few owners of a popular franchise that didnt turn it into crappy licensed videogames .
A lot of my Star Wars nostalgia has to do with the excellent games put out by Lucasarts as much as the original movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The Lucas hate is just a fanboy fringe thing that gets too much play on the internet.I didnt expect episodes 1-3 to be any good.
You cant take a director who hasnt directed in 30 years and suddenly expect him to be in peak form.
If you have realistic expectations in life then you'll find yourself less outraged.
Creative people often peak, usually early in life.I also think its important to remember that Lucas is one of the few owners of a popular franchise that didnt turn it into crappy licensed videogames.
A lot of my Star Wars nostalgia has to do with the excellent games put out by Lucasarts as much as the original movies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31058822</id>
	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1265619600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?</i></p><p>Yes, because it would mean he probably DID steal the work of Olinto De Pretto, thanks to the timely warning of Michele Besso.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity , does that detract from his earlier genius ? Yes , because it would mean he probably DID steal the work of Olinto De Pretto , thanks to the timely warning of Michele Besso .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?Yes, because it would mean he probably DID steal the work of Olinto De Pretto, thanks to the timely warning of Michele Besso.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054226</id>
	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>El Lobo</author>
	<datestamp>1265576160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Tell that to my 6 y.o.s son who is (as many of his school friends) obsessed with SW . It may be dead for you and the other bunch for which the new films didn't correspond the pink-colored idealized image of what the franchise must be in their brains. I liked the old films since I saw them back in the 70-80s. I immensely enjoyed the new ones as well. Ok, they may not be perfect (nor were the old ones), but I take them as what they are: escapist comic films for my enjoyment.... And now a whole new generation is learning to love those films as well...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell that to my 6 y.o.s son who is ( as many of his school friends ) obsessed with SW .
It may be dead for you and the other bunch for which the new films did n't correspond the pink-colored idealized image of what the franchise must be in their brains .
I liked the old films since I saw them back in the 70-80s .
I immensely enjoyed the new ones as well .
Ok , they may not be perfect ( nor were the old ones ) , but I take them as what they are : escapist comic films for my enjoyment.... And now a whole new generation is learning to love those films as well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell that to my 6 y.o.s son who is (as many of his school friends) obsessed with SW .
It may be dead for you and the other bunch for which the new films didn't correspond the pink-colored idealized image of what the franchise must be in their brains.
I liked the old films since I saw them back in the 70-80s.
I immensely enjoyed the new ones as well.
Ok, they may not be perfect (nor were the old ones), but I take them as what they are: escapist comic films for my enjoyment.... And now a whole new generation is learning to love those films as well...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31057052</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265555760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;I've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas.</p><p>I think it had something to do with taking a beloved franchise and sodomizing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; I 've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas.I think it had something to do with taking a beloved franchise and sodomizing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;I've never really understood the hatred of George Lucas.I think it had something to do with taking a beloved franchise and sodomizing it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31058218</id>
	<title>Re:Eh no, you are wrong</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265567040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>+1, Insightful</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 , Insightful</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1, Insightful</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056018</id>
	<title>i wonder..</title>
	<author>jarong</author>
	<datestamp>1265545440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>i was indifferent about star wars growing up until i read dune. and then after thinking about it, realized that george lucas had ripped off a lot of his ideas from frank herbert. now i can't really enjoy the films at all.

i wonder if there will be any commentary in the movie about that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>i was indifferent about star wars growing up until i read dune .
and then after thinking about it , realized that george lucas had ripped off a lot of his ideas from frank herbert .
now i ca n't really enjoy the films at all .
i wonder if there will be any commentary in the movie about that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i was indifferent about star wars growing up until i read dune.
and then after thinking about it, realized that george lucas had ripped off a lot of his ideas from frank herbert.
now i can't really enjoy the films at all.
i wonder if there will be any commentary in the movie about that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056250</id>
	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>Xaemyl</author>
	<datestamp>1265547660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admiration</i></p><p>Fuck you, fuck George Lucas, and fuck Jar Jar Binks. The best one of the original trilogy (Empire) was the best one because it wasn't directed by George Lucas.</p><p>I like the font and the uniforms used by Nazi Germany (and fuck them, too). That doesn't mean they deserve my admiration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... he still made star wars , and therefore still deserves your admirationFuck you , fuck George Lucas , and fuck Jar Jar Binks .
The best one of the original trilogy ( Empire ) was the best one because it was n't directed by George Lucas.I like the font and the uniforms used by Nazi Germany ( and fuck them , too ) .
That does n't mean they deserve my admiration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admirationFuck you, fuck George Lucas, and fuck Jar Jar Binks.
The best one of the original trilogy (Empire) was the best one because it wasn't directed by George Lucas.I like the font and the uniforms used by Nazi Germany (and fuck them, too).
That doesn't mean they deserve my admiration.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054152</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>aztektum</author>
	<datestamp>1265575500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I think it's part of that whole "Without the fans, he wouldn't have had the money to make the new trilogy." mentality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's part of that whole " Without the fans , he would n't have had the money to make the new trilogy .
" mentality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's part of that whole "Without the fans, he wouldn't have had the money to make the new trilogy.
" mentality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31124656</id>
	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>jensend</author>
	<datestamp>1265999700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I know this is waaay past the end of this conversation, but I thought I should interject a tongue-in-cheek reference to Ezekiel 18:</p><blockquote><div><p>  21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.<br>22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.<br>23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?<br>24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.</p></div></blockquote><p>Maybe the fans really have in mind the message - central to Scripture and stated clearly here - that what really matters is not what we have done but what our character is and who we have become.<br>
&nbsp; <br>And that George Lucas has become a childhood-raping conceited megalomaniac.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I know this is waaay past the end of this conversation , but I thought I should interject a tongue-in-cheek reference to Ezekiel 18 : 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed , and keep all my statutes , and do that which is lawful and right , he shall surely live , he shall not die.22 All his transgressions that he hath committed , they shall not be mentioned unto him : in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die ?
saith the Lord God : and not that he should return from his ways , and live ? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness , and committeth iniquity , and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth , shall he live ?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned : in his trespass that he hath trespassed , and in his sin that he hath sinned , in them shall he die.Maybe the fans really have in mind the message - central to Scripture and stated clearly here - that what really matters is not what we have done but what our character is and who we have become .
  And that George Lucas has become a childhood-raping conceited megalomaniac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is waaay past the end of this conversation, but I thought I should interject a tongue-in-cheek reference to Ezekiel 18:  21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?
saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.Maybe the fans really have in mind the message - central to Scripture and stated clearly here - that what really matters is not what we have done but what our character is and who we have become.
  And that George Lucas has become a childhood-raping conceited megalomaniac.
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	<title>Re:How about space opera that doesn't suck?</title>
	<author>phreakincool</author>
	<datestamp>1265535780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>StarCraft done to death?  Please, it has not been given its due dilignence.  I eagerly await the upcoming release of StarCraft II, and any StarCraft related MMO, TV series, movie franchise.</htmltext>
<tokenext>StarCraft done to death ?
Please , it has not been given its due dilignence .
I eagerly await the upcoming release of StarCraft II , and any StarCraft related MMO , TV series , movie franchise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>StarCraft done to death?
Please, it has not been given its due dilignence.
I eagerly await the upcoming release of StarCraft II, and any StarCraft related MMO, TV series, movie franchise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31062092</id>
	<title>Re:Re-re-re-release of Star Wars Episodes V!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265653080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Also, their bowcasters have been digitally replaced with iPads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , their bowcasters have been digitally replaced with iPads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, their bowcasters have been digitally replaced with iPads.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1265575920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>heck, if one check out the new clone wars computer animated series, its clear its gunning for the flash gordon style entertainment that lucas himself grew up with, complete with grand storyteller opening of each episode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>heck , if one check out the new clone wars computer animated series , its clear its gunning for the flash gordon style entertainment that lucas himself grew up with , complete with grand storyteller opening of each episode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>heck, if one check out the new clone wars computer animated series, its clear its gunning for the flash gordon style entertainment that lucas himself grew up with, complete with grand storyteller opening of each episode.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31057116</id>
	<title>Re:If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1265556420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>In fact, fans are way too subservient, and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of "the artist" which appeared in the romantic period, and should have died a hundred years ago. Unfortunately, it became institutionalised (in large part through copyright legislation) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.</i></p><p>That's one of the reasons why I love PC games that can be modded. It allows fans (who often know better than the original creators how things should be done or balanced) to have a hand in the creation and evolution of the game, often resulting in a superior product. One of the reasons why film and TV are losing ground to games is because games are participatory, which is inherently more interesting, and moddable games are the ultimate in audience participation.</p><p>See for example the piece of crap that is the NWN storyline versus the best fan-made mods. Or, eh, Counterstrike (which I think sucks, but a lot of people used to like better than HL1). Or Tower Defense, which was originally just a mod for Starcraft, and now is an entire genre of its own. Or Sheep Tag (originally a War3 mod). Or Team Fortress (originally a Quake1 mod). Or,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/cough, Custom TF (originally a mod of Team Fortress).</p><p>Now it seems that there's been a trend away from modability, mainly I think because of the prevalence of making games both for the PC and a console. CoD: Modern Warfare 2 doesn't even have private servers, so they can't even be hacked to be modded, as needs to be done with some games (like Diablo 2 or the Baldur's Gate series). I hope it's not a permanent trend.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In fact , fans are way too subservient , and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of " the artist " which appeared in the romantic period , and should have died a hundred years ago .
Unfortunately , it became institutionalised ( in large part through copyright legislation ) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.That 's one of the reasons why I love PC games that can be modded .
It allows fans ( who often know better than the original creators how things should be done or balanced ) to have a hand in the creation and evolution of the game , often resulting in a superior product .
One of the reasons why film and TV are losing ground to games is because games are participatory , which is inherently more interesting , and moddable games are the ultimate in audience participation.See for example the piece of crap that is the NWN storyline versus the best fan-made mods .
Or , eh , Counterstrike ( which I think sucks , but a lot of people used to like better than HL1 ) .
Or Tower Defense , which was originally just a mod for Starcraft , and now is an entire genre of its own .
Or Sheep Tag ( originally a War3 mod ) .
Or Team Fortress ( originally a Quake1 mod ) .
Or , /cough , Custom TF ( originally a mod of Team Fortress ) .Now it seems that there 's been a trend away from modability , mainly I think because of the prevalence of making games both for the PC and a console .
CoD : Modern Warfare 2 does n't even have private servers , so they ca n't even be hacked to be modded , as needs to be done with some games ( like Diablo 2 or the Baldur 's Gate series ) .
I hope it 's not a permanent trend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In fact, fans are way too subservient, and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of "the artist" which appeared in the romantic period, and should have died a hundred years ago.
Unfortunately, it became institutionalised (in large part through copyright legislation) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.That's one of the reasons why I love PC games that can be modded.
It allows fans (who often know better than the original creators how things should be done or balanced) to have a hand in the creation and evolution of the game, often resulting in a superior product.
One of the reasons why film and TV are losing ground to games is because games are participatory, which is inherently more interesting, and moddable games are the ultimate in audience participation.See for example the piece of crap that is the NWN storyline versus the best fan-made mods.
Or, eh, Counterstrike (which I think sucks, but a lot of people used to like better than HL1).
Or Tower Defense, which was originally just a mod for Starcraft, and now is an entire genre of its own.
Or Sheep Tag (originally a War3 mod).
Or Team Fortress (originally a Quake1 mod).
Or, /cough, Custom TF (originally a mod of Team Fortress).Now it seems that there's been a trend away from modability, mainly I think because of the prevalence of making games both for the PC and a console.
CoD: Modern Warfare 2 doesn't even have private servers, so they can't even be hacked to be modded, as needs to be done with some games (like Diablo 2 or the Baldur's Gate series).
I hope it's not a permanent trend.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Cancer of the what?</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1265535720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For the anatomically challenged among you, it's the hole you pee through, not the one you sh1t through.</i></p><p>You pee thorough your urethra.  Your prostate makes semen.  The above reads like 'you digest food through your lungs' (because they both connect at the throat).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the anatomically challenged among you , it 's the hole you pee through , not the one you sh1t through.You pee thorough your urethra .
Your prostate makes semen .
The above reads like 'you digest food through your lungs ' ( because they both connect at the throat ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the anatomically challenged among you, it's the hole you pee through, not the one you sh1t through.You pee thorough your urethra.
Your prostate makes semen.
The above reads like 'you digest food through your lungs' (because they both connect at the throat).</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Hardtrance</author>
	<datestamp>1265538480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The first trilogy appealed to "Children of all ages." The prequels just appealed to  children.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first trilogy appealed to " Children of all ages .
" The prequels just appealed to children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first trilogy appealed to "Children of all ages.
" The prequels just appealed to  children.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>Black Parrot</author>
	<datestamp>1265538060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas, including those like Prowse, who still refers to him as a 'master.'</p></div><p>So the retired Darth Vader refers to him as 'master'... can there be any further doubt that he's evil?</p></div>
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<tokenext>the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas , including those like Prowse , who still refers to him as a 'master .
'So the retired Darth Vader refers to him as 'master'... can there be any further doubt that he 's evil ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the full spectrum of opinions on Lucas, including those like Prowse, who still refers to him as a 'master.
'So the retired Darth Vader refers to him as 'master'... can there be any further doubt that he's evil?
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	<title>Re:If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265536440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's forget George Lucas for a moment, and focus on another filmmaker who was in the news recently, James Cameron. Now tell me: Are you of the school of thought that James Cameron is the greatest filmmaker of all time, or do you think that perhaps the fact that he gets to play with new toys before everyone else has something to do with his success?<br>How about Madonna. How about J.K. Rowling. Success may involve a lot of perspiration, but so does failures. Dumb luck is a far bigger part of it. Once you are established, you don't have to make the insane grab for people's attention again - they've invested in you, got to know you and your work, and they will want more - even if you strictly speaking don't deserve it.</p><p>Commercial artistic success is rarely something people deserve. Certainly they don't deserve the insane compensation - if art worked as any other market, you could look at the huge number of would-be supplyers, and the ease of reproduction, and conclude art would be essentially free. The reason it isn't, is \_not\_ that George Lucas or J.K Rowling or Mick Jagger or bloody whoever is that much better than all the wannabees. Think about it: if you gave 10000 people James Cameron's resources and opportunities, set them to make movies, did a blind test, you think Avatar would stand out as clearly the best?</p><p>Most successful artists think that they live by their art. They are wrong. They live by social inertia and network effects - lots of people wouldn't mind being obsessed about a film, few people would want to be obsessed about a film no one you care about has heard of. There can only be so many stars. What this means is this: Star Wars <i>the movies</i>, may be Lucas' work of art, but no one really cares about <i>the movies</i>. Star Wars <i>the phenomenon</i> is what people really pay for, and Lucas' role in creating that is small. It's almost non-existent. If Star Wars hadn't been created, we the people would have found something different to obsess about.</p><p><i>This</i> is why fans should "have a say in someone else's art". In fact, fans are way too subservient, and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of "the artist" which appeared in the romantic period, and should have died a hundred years ago. Unfortunately, it became institutionalised (in large part through copyright legislation) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.</p><p>That is all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's forget George Lucas for a moment , and focus on another filmmaker who was in the news recently , James Cameron .
Now tell me : Are you of the school of thought that James Cameron is the greatest filmmaker of all time , or do you think that perhaps the fact that he gets to play with new toys before everyone else has something to do with his success ? How about Madonna .
How about J.K. Rowling. Success may involve a lot of perspiration , but so does failures .
Dumb luck is a far bigger part of it .
Once you are established , you do n't have to make the insane grab for people 's attention again - they 've invested in you , got to know you and your work , and they will want more - even if you strictly speaking do n't deserve it.Commercial artistic success is rarely something people deserve .
Certainly they do n't deserve the insane compensation - if art worked as any other market , you could look at the huge number of would-be supplyers , and the ease of reproduction , and conclude art would be essentially free .
The reason it is n't , is \ _not \ _ that George Lucas or J.K Rowling or Mick Jagger or bloody whoever is that much better than all the wannabees .
Think about it : if you gave 10000 people James Cameron 's resources and opportunities , set them to make movies , did a blind test , you think Avatar would stand out as clearly the best ? Most successful artists think that they live by their art .
They are wrong .
They live by social inertia and network effects - lots of people would n't mind being obsessed about a film , few people would want to be obsessed about a film no one you care about has heard of .
There can only be so many stars .
What this means is this : Star Wars the movies , may be Lucas ' work of art , but no one really cares about the movies .
Star Wars the phenomenon is what people really pay for , and Lucas ' role in creating that is small .
It 's almost non-existent .
If Star Wars had n't been created , we the people would have found something different to obsess about.This is why fans should " have a say in someone else 's art " .
In fact , fans are way too subservient , and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of " the artist " which appeared in the romantic period , and should have died a hundred years ago .
Unfortunately , it became institutionalised ( in large part through copyright legislation ) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.That is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's forget George Lucas for a moment, and focus on another filmmaker who was in the news recently, James Cameron.
Now tell me: Are you of the school of thought that James Cameron is the greatest filmmaker of all time, or do you think that perhaps the fact that he gets to play with new toys before everyone else has something to do with his success?How about Madonna.
How about J.K. Rowling. Success may involve a lot of perspiration, but so does failures.
Dumb luck is a far bigger part of it.
Once you are established, you don't have to make the insane grab for people's attention again - they've invested in you, got to know you and your work, and they will want more - even if you strictly speaking don't deserve it.Commercial artistic success is rarely something people deserve.
Certainly they don't deserve the insane compensation - if art worked as any other market, you could look at the huge number of would-be supplyers, and the ease of reproduction, and conclude art would be essentially free.
The reason it isn't, is \_not\_ that George Lucas or J.K Rowling or Mick Jagger or bloody whoever is that much better than all the wannabees.
Think about it: if you gave 10000 people James Cameron's resources and opportunities, set them to make movies, did a blind test, you think Avatar would stand out as clearly the best?Most successful artists think that they live by their art.
They are wrong.
They live by social inertia and network effects - lots of people wouldn't mind being obsessed about a film, few people would want to be obsessed about a film no one you care about has heard of.
There can only be so many stars.
What this means is this: Star Wars the movies, may be Lucas' work of art, but no one really cares about the movies.
Star Wars the phenomenon is what people really pay for, and Lucas' role in creating that is small.
It's almost non-existent.
If Star Wars hadn't been created, we the people would have found something different to obsess about.This is why fans should "have a say in someone else's art".
In fact, fans are way too subservient, and our culture is hopelessly locked into a view of "the artist" which appeared in the romantic period, and should have died a hundred years ago.
Unfortunately, it became institutionalised (in large part through copyright legislation) and walks on as a ravenous zombie.That is all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053978</id>
	<title>admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1265574240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admiration</p><p>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?</p><p>if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs, does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest?</p><p>i don't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later missteps</p><p>as if we only get better with every year, as if no one ever makes mistakes</p><p>"what have you done for me lately" is a pretty selfish crude shortsighted and hypocritical way to evaluate people</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars , and therefore still deserves your admirationif einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity , does that detract from his earlier genius ? if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs , does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest ? i do n't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later misstepsas if we only get better with every year , as if no one ever makes mistakes " what have you done for me lately " is a pretty selfish crude shortsighted and hypocritical way to evaluate people</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admirationif einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?if edmund hilary fell down a flight of stairs, does that detreact from the fact he climbed mount everest?i don't understand a way of evaluating people that somehow their accomplishments are diminished by later misstepsas if we only get better with every year, as if no one ever makes mistakes"what have you done for me lately" is a pretty selfish crude shortsighted and hypocritical way to evaluate people</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054414</id>
	<title>No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1265534460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Episode 1 is now 11 years old, meaning your kids should be teens by now. Do they quote the movies? Has it seeped into every part of culture? Is it everywhere you can look?
</p><p>The toys you remember did NOT come out directly after the first movie, a lot of the merchandising you dismiss so easily came out DECADES later and was gobbled up. It is what makes Star Wars still the biggest earner out there.
</p><p>The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO's have skipped the era. Bioware wanted to do Star Wars, but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart (thousands of years) that they could completly distance themselves from it.
</p><p>If you study movies, Star Wars: A New Hope, must be included. It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous. If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but rather a new series. (Okay, so that is another thing we can blame lucas for).
</p><p>Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc. Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact. It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer... who?
</p><p>I enjoyed the blackhole as a kid too, but for the life of me I could not quote anything from it or even name the characters.
</p><p>My mom took me to see the first movies and she enjoyed them herself. Did you enjoy them? Really? The bit with the small droids on the fighter aircraft? Then there is no hope for you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Episode 1 is now 11 years old , meaning your kids should be teens by now .
Do they quote the movies ?
Has it seeped into every part of culture ?
Is it everywhere you can look ?
The toys you remember did NOT come out directly after the first movie , a lot of the merchandising you dismiss so easily came out DECADES later and was gobbled up .
It is what makes Star Wars still the biggest earner out there .
The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO 's have skipped the era .
Bioware wanted to do Star Wars , but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart ( thousands of years ) that they could completly distance themselves from it .
If you study movies , Star Wars : A New Hope , must be included .
It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous .
If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek : The Motion Picture , but rather a new series .
( Okay , so that is another thing we can blame lucas for ) .
Kids now quote the Matrix , Lord of the Rings , etc .
Episode 1 was just another blockbuster , made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact .
It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer... who ? I enjoyed the blackhole as a kid too , but for the life of me I could not quote anything from it or even name the characters .
My mom took me to see the first movies and she enjoyed them herself .
Did you enjoy them ?
Really ? The bit with the small droids on the fighter aircraft ?
Then there is no hope for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Episode 1 is now 11 years old, meaning your kids should be teens by now.
Do they quote the movies?
Has it seeped into every part of culture?
Is it everywhere you can look?
The toys you remember did NOT come out directly after the first movie, a lot of the merchandising you dismiss so easily came out DECADES later and was gobbled up.
It is what makes Star Wars still the biggest earner out there.
The entire proof that the prequels sucked can be found in the fact that TWO MMO's have skipped the era.
Bioware wanted to do Star Wars, but were so desperate to stay away from the fall out that they invented an entire new era set so far apart (thousands of years) that they could completly distance themselves from it.
If you study movies, Star Wars: A New Hope, must be included.
It MIGHT be a simple story but its impact on society was enormous.
If it had not been for Star Wars we would never have had Star Trek: The Motion Picture, but rather a new series.
(Okay, so that is another thing we can blame lucas for).
Kids now quote the Matrix, Lord of the Rings, etc.
Episode 1 was just another blockbuster, made a lot of money but it has no lasting impact.
It is the difference between Michael Jackson and McHammer... who?
I enjoyed the blackhole as a kid too, but for the life of me I could not quote anything from it or even name the characters.
My mom took me to see the first movies and she enjoyed them herself.
Did you enjoy them?
Really? The bit with the small droids on the fighter aircraft?
Then there is no hope for you.
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	<title>Re:Who cares?</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1265557740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The franchise is dead. Lucas killed it.</p></div><p>The franchise is still churning out <a href="http://www.starwars.com/theclonewars/" title="starwars.com">TV shows</a> [starwars.com] and selling merch.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The franchise is dead .
Lucas killed it.The franchise is still churning out TV shows [ starwars.com ] and selling merch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The franchise is dead.
Lucas killed it.The franchise is still churning out TV shows [starwars.com] and selling merch.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31058814</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1265662560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll never understand it, despite having had the toys and posters and underoos and what not?</p><p>I'll never understand it, because I was never that taken with Star Wars as a kid. Never had the toys, don't remember wanting them. Saw Star Wars once in the cinema. Meh. Had the choice between seeing Empire, and the The Incredible Hulk (the pilot episode was released theatrically in my country) and chose the Hulk. Never bothered seeing Jedi in the cinema.</p><p>So I'll never understand Star Wars fandom, period. Neither the love, or the hate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll never understand it , despite having had the toys and posters and underoos and what not ? I 'll never understand it , because I was never that taken with Star Wars as a kid .
Never had the toys , do n't remember wanting them .
Saw Star Wars once in the cinema .
Meh. Had the choice between seeing Empire , and the The Incredible Hulk ( the pilot episode was released theatrically in my country ) and chose the Hulk .
Never bothered seeing Jedi in the cinema.So I 'll never understand Star Wars fandom , period .
Neither the love , or the hate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll never understand it, despite having had the toys and posters and underoos and what not?I'll never understand it, because I was never that taken with Star Wars as a kid.
Never had the toys, don't remember wanting them.
Saw Star Wars once in the cinema.
Meh. Had the choice between seeing Empire, and the The Incredible Hulk (the pilot episode was released theatrically in my country) and chose the Hulk.
Never bothered seeing Jedi in the cinema.So I'll never understand Star Wars fandom, period.
Neither the love, or the hate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31064066</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>myowntrueself</author>
	<datestamp>1265619780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The first trilogy appealed to "Children of all ages." The prequels just appealed to children.</p></div><p>Yeah I am sure kids are *really* interested in space taxes and political maneuvering.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The first trilogy appealed to " Children of all ages .
" The prequels just appealed to children.Yeah I am sure kids are * really * interested in space taxes and political maneuvering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first trilogy appealed to "Children of all ages.
" The prequels just appealed to children.Yeah I am sure kids are *really* interested in space taxes and political maneuvering.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054016</id>
	<title>Re:More concise...</title>
	<author>Simon80</author>
	<datestamp>1265574480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second this. It seems possible that the submitter hasn't actually watched the Episode 1 review he linked to. Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly be worth 70 minutes of their time will realize they are mistaken after 5-10 minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this .
It seems possible that the submitter has n't actually watched the Episode 1 review he linked to .
Anyone who thinks it could n't possibly be worth 70 minutes of their time will realize they are mistaken after 5-10 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this.
It seems possible that the submitter hasn't actually watched the Episode 1 review he linked to.
Anyone who thinks it couldn't possibly be worth 70 minutes of their time will realize they are mistaken after 5-10 minutes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053822</id>
	<title>70-minute evisceration</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265572680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was awesome and accurate. Lucas blew it on the first 3 films.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was awesome and accurate .
Lucas blew it on the first 3 films .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was awesome and accurate.
Lucas blew it on the first 3 films.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053668</id>
	<title>More concise...</title>
	<author>dirtygremlin</author>
	<datestamp>1265571060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, quite possibly.  More hilarious?  No.  Where are my pizza rolls?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , quite possibly .
More hilarious ?
No. Where are my pizza rolls ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, quite possibly.
More hilarious?
No.  Where are my pizza rolls?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054316</id>
	<title>And people should also look at...</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1265533740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>For people interested in the larger implications of Star Wars including the role of fans and other issues such as whether Star Wars has literary merit, and whether the philosophy is intellectually coherent or morally defensibl, I strongly recommend "Star Wars on Trial" edited by David Brin and Matthew Stover. The book is a series of essays by sci-fi authors, literature professors, and others discussing Star Wars in detail. The boo is tied together with an overarching narrative with Brin as the chief prosecutor and Stover as the chief defense attorney in a trial of Star Wars as a whole. Quite fun and and surprisingly stimulating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For people interested in the larger implications of Star Wars including the role of fans and other issues such as whether Star Wars has literary merit , and whether the philosophy is intellectually coherent or morally defensibl , I strongly recommend " Star Wars on Trial " edited by David Brin and Matthew Stover .
The book is a series of essays by sci-fi authors , literature professors , and others discussing Star Wars in detail .
The boo is tied together with an overarching narrative with Brin as the chief prosecutor and Stover as the chief defense attorney in a trial of Star Wars as a whole .
Quite fun and and surprisingly stimulating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For people interested in the larger implications of Star Wars including the role of fans and other issues such as whether Star Wars has literary merit, and whether the philosophy is intellectually coherent or morally defensibl, I strongly recommend "Star Wars on Trial" edited by David Brin and Matthew Stover.
The book is a series of essays by sci-fi authors, literature professors, and others discussing Star Wars in detail.
The boo is tied together with an overarching narrative with Brin as the chief prosecutor and Stover as the chief defense attorney in a trial of Star Wars as a whole.
Quite fun and and surprisingly stimulating.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053758</id>
	<title>Raping our childhood wasn't enough</title>
	<author>l0ungeb0y</author>
	<datestamp>1265571960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He had to rape Darth Vader too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He had to rape Darth Vader too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He had to rape Darth Vader too</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053898</id>
	<title>Cancer of the what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265573520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't help noticing that the linked Express article says he has beaten prostate cancer, not colon cancer. For the anatomically challenged among you, it's the hole you pee through, not the one you sh1t through.</p><p>Just thought I'd mention it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't help noticing that the linked Express article says he has beaten prostate cancer , not colon cancer .
For the anatomically challenged among you , it 's the hole you pee through , not the one you sh1t through.Just thought I 'd mention it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't help noticing that the linked Express article says he has beaten prostate cancer, not colon cancer.
For the anatomically challenged among you, it's the hole you pee through, not the one you sh1t through.Just thought I'd mention it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31057312</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1265558280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy</p></div><p>1: Jar Jar had a lot of screen time to get farted on by a space cow and to step in space cow shit, but cool lighsaber force-sense action shots were cut from the movie. Remember how Darth Maul launches a couple of camera droids, and nothing happens about that? There was a scene of Qui Gon sabering one in half and then rushing to ship, but no, it had to be cut "for time". Time that was spent on multiple Jar-Jar + shit jokes.</p><p>2: I have a <a href="http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news0502/toy.html" title="landoverbaptist.org">"french kiss Jar-Jar binks" lollipop toy</a> [landoverbaptist.org] that I'm keeping as proof that they actually sold such horrible things.</p></div>
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<tokenext>What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy1 : Jar Jar had a lot of screen time to get farted on by a space cow and to step in space cow shit , but cool lighsaber force-sense action shots were cut from the movie .
Remember how Darth Maul launches a couple of camera droids , and nothing happens about that ?
There was a scene of Qui Gon sabering one in half and then rushing to ship , but no , it had to be cut " for time " .
Time that was spent on multiple Jar-Jar + shit jokes.2 : I have a " french kiss Jar-Jar binks " lollipop toy [ landoverbaptist.org ] that I 'm keeping as proof that they actually sold such horrible things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I really dont get is the hatred over the inclusion of jarjar as if Lucas had never stooped to funny critters to appeal to kids in the first trilogy1: Jar Jar had a lot of screen time to get farted on by a space cow and to step in space cow shit, but cool lighsaber force-sense action shots were cut from the movie.
Remember how Darth Maul launches a couple of camera droids, and nothing happens about that?
There was a scene of Qui Gon sabering one in half and then rushing to ship, but no, it had to be cut "for time".
Time that was spent on multiple Jar-Jar + shit jokes.2: I have a "french kiss Jar-Jar binks" lollipop toy [landoverbaptist.org] that I'm keeping as proof that they actually sold such horrible things.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056776</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1265552880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children.  I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.</p></div><p>Whenever the conversation turns to Star Wars, there's always someone who brings up the theory of target audiences and nostalgia-tinted sunglasses.  We are lead to believe that being kids greatly influenced our perception of the first 3 Star Wars movies and later it is nostalgia that continues to make us hold them in high esteem.  I don't buy it.</p><p>As an adult, I've watched all the Star Wars films a few times.  Heck, I even went to the theater to watch the re-released original series.  And whenever I do, I notice that there was something to the first 3 films that the latest 3 films miss.  At this point, we come to nostalgia.  Can I be sure that nostalgia doesn't affect my judgement by giving more credit to the works from my childhood?  I'm pretty sure.  Nostalgia is a big thing right now.  You can go back and watch all manner of old TV shows that I grew up watching as a kid.  And while some are still entertaining, few meet my memories.  I can now see why my father would roll his eyes when I dropped down in front of the A-Team each week.  I can recognize that the original Star Wars films aren't quite the amazing works that I saw them as a kid.  But as an adult, I still find them to be fun with a lot of that initial charm in tact.  And that charm is lacking in Lucas' recent works (including Indiana Jones).</p></div>
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<tokenext>The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children .
I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder , but then I wasnt supposed to , they werent made for me , they were made for my kids.Whenever the conversation turns to Star Wars , there 's always someone who brings up the theory of target audiences and nostalgia-tinted sunglasses .
We are lead to believe that being kids greatly influenced our perception of the first 3 Star Wars movies and later it is nostalgia that continues to make us hold them in high esteem .
I do n't buy it.As an adult , I 've watched all the Star Wars films a few times .
Heck , I even went to the theater to watch the re-released original series .
And whenever I do , I notice that there was something to the first 3 films that the latest 3 films miss .
At this point , we come to nostalgia .
Can I be sure that nostalgia does n't affect my judgement by giving more credit to the works from my childhood ?
I 'm pretty sure .
Nostalgia is a big thing right now .
You can go back and watch all manner of old TV shows that I grew up watching as a kid .
And while some are still entertaining , few meet my memories .
I can now see why my father would roll his eyes when I dropped down in front of the A-Team each week .
I can recognize that the original Star Wars films are n't quite the amazing works that I saw them as a kid .
But as an adult , I still find them to be fun with a lot of that initial charm in tact .
And that charm is lacking in Lucas ' recent works ( including Indiana Jones ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem I saw was that many fans expected him to create new stories that were aimed at the now 30 year olds who watched the originals as children.
I was still able to watch them and enjoy them just not with same wide eyed wonder, but then I wasnt supposed to, they werent made for me, they were made for my kids.Whenever the conversation turns to Star Wars, there's always someone who brings up the theory of target audiences and nostalgia-tinted sunglasses.
We are lead to believe that being kids greatly influenced our perception of the first 3 Star Wars movies and later it is nostalgia that continues to make us hold them in high esteem.
I don't buy it.As an adult, I've watched all the Star Wars films a few times.
Heck, I even went to the theater to watch the re-released original series.
And whenever I do, I notice that there was something to the first 3 films that the latest 3 films miss.
At this point, we come to nostalgia.
Can I be sure that nostalgia doesn't affect my judgement by giving more credit to the works from my childhood?
I'm pretty sure.
Nostalgia is a big thing right now.
You can go back and watch all manner of old TV shows that I grew up watching as a kid.
And while some are still entertaining, few meet my memories.
I can now see why my father would roll his eyes when I dropped down in front of the A-Team each week.
I can recognize that the original Star Wars films aren't quite the amazing works that I saw them as a kid.
But as an adult, I still find them to be fun with a lot of that initial charm in tact.
And that charm is lacking in Lucas' recent works (including Indiana Jones).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054306</id>
	<title>owning (review) of EP II coming shortly</title>
	<author>bender183</author>
	<datestamp>1265533680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trailer = <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxQ6HYDwIA" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxQ6HYDwIA</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trailer = http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = mkxQ6HYDwIA [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trailer = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxQ6HYDwIA [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:No, your kids did NOT love them.</title>
	<author>Mana Mana</author>
	<datestamp>1265661780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; and McHammer... who?</p><p>Come on! That's above the pale. You can't touch this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; and McHammer... who ? Come on !
That 's above the pale .
You ca n't touch this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; and McHammer... who?Come on!
That's above the pale.
You can't touch this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31057736</id>
	<title>More SW Documentaries - media sourced histrionics</title>
	<author>none295</author>
	<datestamp>1265562300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello, writing to let you know about another Star Wars documentary which focuses on the recorded perception (by anyone corporate or individual) of the Star Wars phenomenon at the time of the release of Revenge of the Sith, which will turn 5 this May.</p><p>Project can be viewed at:<br><a href="http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM\_Video.html" title="noneinc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM\_Video.html</a> [noneinc.com]<br>Full FAQ:<br><a href="http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM\_FAQ.html" title="noneinc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM\_FAQ.html</a> [noneinc.com]</p><p>More historical in nature, this documediamentary focuses on the themes and memes of what the people who talked about the Star Wars phenomenon were otherwise talking about.  So there are chapters which show that people liked to talk not just Star Wars topics (like waiting in line, Chewbacca or the opening scene of ANH) but also other societal issues. (sex, piracy, drugs &amp; alcohol, politics)</p><p>I recommend gradual digestion.  The online presentation is divided into chapters which makes the 3.5hrs easier to comprehend.  The full DVD has additional material, audio commentary, multiple subtitles, bonus features, which provide additional insight into what happened in those fateful 4 months when the hype and frenzy felt palpable.</p><p>The destination of this project is to show that a presentation of this type (goal oriented clip show) could be produced on any topic by a online search engine query.  Society has made large online video repositories, it's time we put them to work.</p><p>Sorry if this was a confusing introduction, i'm rather lost the projects inner workings.</p><p>Questions and comments welcomed.<br>thanks<br>\%20</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello , writing to let you know about another Star Wars documentary which focuses on the recorded perception ( by anyone corporate or individual ) of the Star Wars phenomenon at the time of the release of Revenge of the Sith , which will turn 5 this May.Project can be viewed at : http : //www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM \ _Video.html [ noneinc.com ] Full FAQ : http : //www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM \ _FAQ.html [ noneinc.com ] More historical in nature , this documediamentary focuses on the themes and memes of what the people who talked about the Star Wars phenomenon were otherwise talking about .
So there are chapters which show that people liked to talk not just Star Wars topics ( like waiting in line , Chewbacca or the opening scene of ANH ) but also other societal issues .
( sex , piracy , drugs &amp; alcohol , politics ) I recommend gradual digestion .
The online presentation is divided into chapters which makes the 3.5hrs easier to comprehend .
The full DVD has additional material , audio commentary , multiple subtitles , bonus features , which provide additional insight into what happened in those fateful 4 months when the hype and frenzy felt palpable.The destination of this project is to show that a presentation of this type ( goal oriented clip show ) could be produced on any topic by a online search engine query .
Society has made large online video repositories , it 's time we put them to work.Sorry if this was a confusing introduction , i 'm rather lost the projects inner workings.Questions and comments welcomed.thanks \ % 20</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello, writing to let you know about another Star Wars documentary which focuses on the recorded perception (by anyone corporate or individual) of the Star Wars phenomenon at the time of the release of Revenge of the Sith, which will turn 5 this May.Project can be viewed at:http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM\_Video.html [noneinc.com]Full FAQ:http://www.noneinc.com/tBSWM/tBSWM\_FAQ.html [noneinc.com]More historical in nature, this documediamentary focuses on the themes and memes of what the people who talked about the Star Wars phenomenon were otherwise talking about.
So there are chapters which show that people liked to talk not just Star Wars topics (like waiting in line, Chewbacca or the opening scene of ANH) but also other societal issues.
(sex, piracy, drugs &amp; alcohol, politics)I recommend gradual digestion.
The online presentation is divided into chapters which makes the 3.5hrs easier to comprehend.
The full DVD has additional material, audio commentary, multiple subtitles, bonus features, which provide additional insight into what happened in those fateful 4 months when the hype and frenzy felt palpable.The destination of this project is to show that a presentation of this type (goal oriented clip show) could be produced on any topic by a online search engine query.
Society has made large online video repositories, it's time we put them to work.Sorry if this was a confusing introduction, i'm rather lost the projects inner workings.Questions and comments welcomed.thanks\%20</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31061430</id>
	<title>Re:A fandom i'll never understand</title>
	<author>KnownIssues</author>
	<datestamp>1265650020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at Ewoks</p></div><p>This is something I'd really like to hear more of. I frequently hear the argument that as a 30-something, I can't have the same experience watching the prequels as a child does and I believe it. I was watching interviews about Star Wars and they were all 30-somethings and all talking about how great the original was. I wondered what would happen if people who were 30-something when the original Star Wars trilogy came out were interviewed.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at EwoksThis is something I 'd really like to hear more of .
I frequently hear the argument that as a 30-something , I ca n't have the same experience watching the prequels as a child does and I believe it .
I was watching interviews about Star Wars and they were all 30-somethings and all talking about how great the original was .
I wondered what would happen if people who were 30-something when the original Star Wars trilogy came out were interviewed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...but I can remember by father rolling his eyes at EwoksThis is something I'd really like to hear more of.
I frequently hear the argument that as a 30-something, I can't have the same experience watching the prequels as a child does and I believe it.
I was watching interviews about Star Wars and they were all 30-somethings and all talking about how great the original was.
I wondered what would happen if people who were 30-something when the original Star Wars trilogy came out were interviewed.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053840</id>
	<title>If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>British</author>
	<datestamp>1265572920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..don't watch it. I don't like how people think they can call changes to SW eps 1-3. As soon as you start making changes(remove Jar Jar, etc) it ceases to become Lucas' artwork, and moreso a "design by committee". Sure, this happens in meetings for filmmakers all the time, but I don't see how the fans have a say in someone else's art.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..do n't watch it .
I do n't like how people think they can call changes to SW eps 1-3 .
As soon as you start making changes ( remove Jar Jar , etc ) it ceases to become Lucas ' artwork , and moreso a " design by committee " .
Sure , this happens in meetings for filmmakers all the time , but I do n't see how the fans have a say in someone else 's art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..don't watch it.
I don't like how people think they can call changes to SW eps 1-3.
As soon as you start making changes(remove Jar Jar, etc) it ceases to become Lucas' artwork, and moreso a "design by committee".
Sure, this happens in meetings for filmmakers all the time, but I don't see how the fans have a say in someone else's art.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31056700</id>
	<title>Re:Eh no, you are wrong</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1265552340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it
<br> <br>
Einstein <i>hated</i> quantum mechanics, which came of age in the 1930's.  Einstein was <i>totally wrong</i>.  And yet we would have no universe without him.
<br> <br>
&gt;even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results.
<br> <br>
I'm comfortable with the results.  The results include Sith, one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all-time.  What are we arguing about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it Einstein hated quantum mechanics , which came of age in the 1930 's .
Einstein was totally wrong .
And yet we would have no universe without him .
&gt; even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results .
I 'm comfortable with the results .
The results include Sith , one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all-time .
What are we arguing about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;This would be like seeing Einstein decades later doing an experiment on his own and making a complete and utter mess of it
 
Einstein hated quantum mechanics, which came of age in the 1930's.
Einstein was totally wrong.
And yet we would have no universe without him.
&gt;even when Lucas himself is clearly uncomfortable with the results.
I'm comfortable with the results.
The results include Sith, one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all-time.
What are we arguing about?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31055056</id>
	<title>How are they going to redo Dune?</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1265539080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I mean the first time they had guys running around in sand wearing wet suits. The SciFi redo had the Arabian Ninjas so I can't imagine what this remake will have. (I guess they come out dressed up like clowns.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean the first time they had guys running around in sand wearing wet suits .
The SciFi redo had the Arabian Ninjas so I ca n't imagine what this remake will have .
( I guess they come out dressed up like clowns .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean the first time they had guys running around in sand wearing wet suits.
The SciFi redo had the Arabian Ninjas so I can't imagine what this remake will have.
(I guess they come out dressed up like clowns.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31060656</id>
	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>Zebedeu</author>
	<datestamp>1265645820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?</p></div><p>Yes, because creationism is incompatible with the scientific process. It would put all of his work in doubt.</p><p>You're building a strawman -- a person who at two different times in his life thinks and behaves in oposite and incompatible ways. Yes, it does happen, but it is usually explainable by an accident, as in this poor lady: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena\_Luukanen-Kilde" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena\_Luukanen-Kilde</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
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<tokenext>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity , does that detract from his earlier genius ? Yes , because creationism is incompatible with the scientific process .
It would put all of his work in doubt.You 're building a strawman -- a person who at two different times in his life thinks and behaves in oposite and incompatible ways .
Yes , it does happen , but it is usually explainable by an accident , as in this poor lady : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena \ _Luukanen-Kilde [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if einstein became a creationist after his exposition of relativity, does that detract from his earlier genius?Yes, because creationism is incompatible with the scientific process.
It would put all of his work in doubt.You're building a strawman -- a person who at two different times in his life thinks and behaves in oposite and incompatible ways.
Yes, it does happen, but it is usually explainable by an accident, as in this poor lady: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rauni-Leena\_Luukanen-Kilde [wikipedia.org]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31060810</id>
	<title>The title does not suggest rage</title>
	<author>CPE1704TKS</author>
	<datestamp>1265646720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas, even though the title would suggest otherwise."</p><p>I suggest subbie take a course in reading comprehension.</p><p>"The People vs George Lucas" suggests that Lucas is going on trial, and arguments for and against his prosecution will be presented.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas , even though the title would suggest otherwise .
" I suggest subbie take a course in reading comprehension .
" The People vs George Lucas " suggests that Lucas is going on trial , and arguments for and against his prosecution will be presented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Director Alexandre Philippe distances his film from the one-sided fan rage films that lambaste Lucas, even though the title would suggest otherwise.
"I suggest subbie take a course in reading comprehension.
"The People vs George Lucas" suggests that Lucas is going on trial, and arguments for and against his prosecution will be presented.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31054604</id>
	<title>Re:admire lucas for the original star wars</title>
	<author>Noelnonymous Coward</author>
	<datestamp>1265535840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admiration</p></div><p>I'd except that argument, if the bastard didn't make it nearly impossible for the average American to find a copy of the Original, non-edited/revised/updated Star Wars.

Everyone's a critic, and George Lucas doesn't even like Star Wars.</p></div>
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<tokenext>because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars , and therefore still deserves your admirationI 'd except that argument , if the bastard did n't make it nearly impossible for the average American to find a copy of the Original , non-edited/revised/updated Star Wars .
Everyone 's a critic , and George Lucas does n't even like Star Wars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because even if he made 20 movies after star wars and every single one were the most puerile piece of uwe boll crap... he still made star wars, and therefore still deserves your admirationI'd except that argument, if the bastard didn't make it nearly impossible for the average American to find a copy of the Original, non-edited/revised/updated Star Wars.
Everyone's a critic, and George Lucas doesn't even like Star Wars.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_07_172253.31053666</id>
	<title>Re-re-re-release of Star Wars Episodes V!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265571000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Wookiee" has been changed to "hair challenged animal" and that the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Wookiee " has been changed to " hair challenged animal " and that the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Wookiee" has been changed to "hair challenged animal" and that the entire cast has been digitally replaced by Ewoks.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:If you don't like it...</title>
	<author>OrangeCatholic</author>
	<datestamp>1265551320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;Star Wars the phenomenon is what people really pay for, and Lucas' role in creating that is small.
<br> <br>
Actually, you're wrong.  Lucas is known in Hollywood as being among the first directors to demand payment for marketing, including toys.  If you've ever seen a videogame released with a movie, Lucas invented that.  He invented the idea of the Han Solo "toy" as important as the movie.
<br> <br>
So, while your post is well-written, I have a tough time discerning the point.    If nothing else, Lucas' role in history has been to create, via marketing deals, Star Wars as "a phenomenon."
<br> <br>
I can only <i>hope</i> you're a troll.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Star Wars the phenomenon is what people really pay for , and Lucas ' role in creating that is small .
Actually , you 're wrong .
Lucas is known in Hollywood as being among the first directors to demand payment for marketing , including toys .
If you 've ever seen a videogame released with a movie , Lucas invented that .
He invented the idea of the Han Solo " toy " as important as the movie .
So , while your post is well-written , I have a tough time discerning the point .
If nothing else , Lucas ' role in history has been to create , via marketing deals , Star Wars as " a phenomenon .
" I can only hope you 're a troll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Star Wars the phenomenon is what people really pay for, and Lucas' role in creating that is small.
Actually, you're wrong.
Lucas is known in Hollywood as being among the first directors to demand payment for marketing, including toys.
If you've ever seen a videogame released with a movie, Lucas invented that.
He invented the idea of the Han Solo "toy" as important as the movie.
So, while your post is well-written, I have a tough time discerning the point.
If nothing else, Lucas' role in history has been to create, via marketing deals, Star Wars as "a phenomenon.
"
 
I can only hope you're a troll.</sentencetext>
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