<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_06_0718206</id>
	<title>Israeli Scientists Freeze Water By Warming It</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265452200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>ccktech writes <i>"As <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123376191">reported by NPR</a>  <a href="http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2010/February/04021002.asp">and Chemistry world</a>, the journal <em>Science</em> has a <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/327/5966/672">paper by David Ehre, Etay Lavert, Meir Lahav, and Igor Lubomirsky</a> [note: abstract online; payment required to read the full paper] of Israel's <a href="http://www.weizmann.ac.il/">Weizmann Institute</a>, who have figured out a way to freeze pure water by warming it up.  The trick is that pure water has different freezing points depending on the electrical charge of the surface it resides on.  They found out that a negatively charged surface causes water to freeze at a lower temperature than a positively charged surface. By putting water on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyroelectric">pyroelectric</a> material <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium\_tantalate">Lithium Tantalate</a>, which has a negative charge when cooler but a positive change when warmer; water would remain a liquid down to -17 degrees C., and then freeze when the substrate and water were warmed up and the charge changed to positive, where water freezes at -7 degrees C."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ccktech writes " As reported by NPR and Chemistry world , the journal Science has a paper by David Ehre , Etay Lavert , Meir Lahav , and Igor Lubomirsky [ note : abstract online ; payment required to read the full paper ] of Israel 's Weizmann Institute , who have figured out a way to freeze pure water by warming it up .
The trick is that pure water has different freezing points depending on the electrical charge of the surface it resides on .
They found out that a negatively charged surface causes water to freeze at a lower temperature than a positively charged surface .
By putting water on the pyroelectric material Lithium Tantalate , which has a negative charge when cooler but a positive change when warmer ; water would remain a liquid down to -17 degrees C. , and then freeze when the substrate and water were warmed up and the charge changed to positive , where water freezes at -7 degrees C. "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ccktech writes "As reported by NPR  and Chemistry world, the journal Science has a paper by David Ehre, Etay Lavert, Meir Lahav, and Igor Lubomirsky [note: abstract online; payment required to read the full paper] of Israel's Weizmann Institute, who have figured out a way to freeze pure water by warming it up.
The trick is that pure water has different freezing points depending on the electrical charge of the surface it resides on.
They found out that a negatively charged surface causes water to freeze at a lower temperature than a positively charged surface.
By putting water on the pyroelectric material Lithium Tantalate, which has a negative charge when cooler but a positive change when warmer; water would remain a liquid down to -17 degrees C., and then freeze when the substrate and water were warmed up and the charge changed to positive, where water freezes at -7 degrees C."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31056102</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new I have noticed this with my beer ;-</title>
	<author>PeterAitch</author>
	<datestamp>1265546100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, you wouldn't put REAL beer in a freezer.  You must mean what we in the UK call "lager".</p><p>Some highly filtered lagers and "lite" beers can readily be supercooled in a freezer.  When removed, they have not solidified since there are no nucleation sites available to them.  When opened, the CO2 bubbles will act as nucleation sites and freezing will occur rapidly, producing dendrites of ice in all directions.  The same effect can be initiated by tapping the unopened bottle SHARPLY (without breaking it!) on a convenient surface.  It's a handy party trick: offer a supercooled lager to someone you don't like and watch them [not] drink it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , you would n't put REAL beer in a freezer .
You must mean what we in the UK call " lager " .Some highly filtered lagers and " lite " beers can readily be supercooled in a freezer .
When removed , they have not solidified since there are no nucleation sites available to them .
When opened , the CO2 bubbles will act as nucleation sites and freezing will occur rapidly , producing dendrites of ice in all directions .
The same effect can be initiated by tapping the unopened bottle SHARPLY ( without breaking it !
) on a convenient surface .
It 's a handy party trick : offer a supercooled lager to someone you do n't like and watch them [ not ] drink it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, you wouldn't put REAL beer in a freezer.
You must mean what we in the UK call "lager".Some highly filtered lagers and "lite" beers can readily be supercooled in a freezer.
When removed, they have not solidified since there are no nucleation sites available to them.
When opened, the CO2 bubbles will act as nucleation sites and freezing will occur rapidly, producing dendrites of ice in all directions.
The same effect can be initiated by tapping the unopened bottle SHARPLY (without breaking it!
) on a convenient surface.
It's a handy party trick: offer a supercooled lager to someone you don't like and watch them [not] drink it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045834</id>
	<title>Are they calling it Ice-Nine?</title>
	<author>ibirman</author>
	<datestamp>1265475060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, water ice that is stable at a higher temperature than liquid water?  Can anyone say ice-9?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , water ice that is stable at a higher temperature than liquid water ?
Can anyone say ice-9 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, water ice that is stable at a higher temperature than liquid water?
Can anyone say ice-9?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044954</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265464380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait until you see tommorow's story: American Slashdot Editors Add Superfluous Words When The Title is too Small.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait until you see tommorow 's story : American Slashdot Editors Add Superfluous Words When The Title is too Small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait until you see tommorow's story: American Slashdot Editors Add Superfluous Words When The Title is too Small.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044566</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1265457600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Salt and anti-freeze just have typical freezing-point depression; there's no way to use them to produce a situation where water that is a stable liquid at one temperature will turn solid if you increase the temperature. The situation in this experiment is that water that's liquid at -17 C will freeze as you head it up towards -7 C.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Salt and anti-freeze just have typical freezing-point depression ; there 's no way to use them to produce a situation where water that is a stable liquid at one temperature will turn solid if you increase the temperature .
The situation in this experiment is that water that 's liquid at -17 C will freeze as you head it up towards -7 C .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Salt and anti-freeze just have typical freezing-point depression; there's no way to use them to produce a situation where water that is a stable liquid at one temperature will turn solid if you increase the temperature.
The situation in this experiment is that water that's liquid at -17 C will freeze as you head it up towards -7 C.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31050622</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265481120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Extremely intuitive of you to ask that question. I imagine it was intended to phish me out and see if I would make a comment. The Israelis picked the idea up -fairly likely in my opinion- from reading my website and posts. I mentioned numerous times how water placed in the freezer, one cup warm water and one cup normal temperature, that the warmer water freezes faster. That's because it is losing heat faster. I imagine it's a takeoff on Wind Chill. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Jewish aren't overly excited about our beliefs. So whereas absolutely nobody here needed to know they were specifically JEWISH they are probably wanting to find out if I will see it despite perhaps many odds. hahahaha Beijing was all over my website last year and they learned much about the fluid dynamics of windmills. Moscow has picked up on what the others are doing so they're all over it this year so far. I'm not a "scientist"; I'm blessed with many insights into engine systems and energy. They aren't testing ME; they're testing to see if I have enough holy spirit given me they can't slip this by me. By my not writing down who I am in this response I'm throwing their little test back at em. Number 4 is alive y'all. You still have a little time remaining to jump ship. http://tinyurl.com/JehovahGodKingdomMsg1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Extremely intuitive of you to ask that question .
I imagine it was intended to phish me out and see if I would make a comment .
The Israelis picked the idea up -fairly likely in my opinion- from reading my website and posts .
I mentioned numerous times how water placed in the freezer , one cup warm water and one cup normal temperature , that the warmer water freezes faster .
That 's because it is losing heat faster .
I imagine it 's a takeoff on Wind Chill .
I 'm one of Jehovah 's Witnesses and the Jewish are n't overly excited about our beliefs .
So whereas absolutely nobody here needed to know they were specifically JEWISH they are probably wanting to find out if I will see it despite perhaps many odds .
hahahaha Beijing was all over my website last year and they learned much about the fluid dynamics of windmills .
Moscow has picked up on what the others are doing so they 're all over it this year so far .
I 'm not a " scientist " ; I 'm blessed with many insights into engine systems and energy .
They are n't testing ME ; they 're testing to see if I have enough holy spirit given me they ca n't slip this by me .
By my not writing down who I am in this response I 'm throwing their little test back at em .
Number 4 is alive y'all .
You still have a little time remaining to jump ship .
http : //tinyurl.com/JehovahGodKingdomMsg1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Extremely intuitive of you to ask that question.
I imagine it was intended to phish me out and see if I would make a comment.
The Israelis picked the idea up -fairly likely in my opinion- from reading my website and posts.
I mentioned numerous times how water placed in the freezer, one cup warm water and one cup normal temperature, that the warmer water freezes faster.
That's because it is losing heat faster.
I imagine it's a takeoff on Wind Chill.
I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and the Jewish aren't overly excited about our beliefs.
So whereas absolutely nobody here needed to know they were specifically JEWISH they are probably wanting to find out if I will see it despite perhaps many odds.
hahahaha Beijing was all over my website last year and they learned much about the fluid dynamics of windmills.
Moscow has picked up on what the others are doing so they're all over it this year so far.
I'm not a "scientist"; I'm blessed with many insights into engine systems and energy.
They aren't testing ME; they're testing to see if I have enough holy spirit given me they can't slip this by me.
By my not writing down who I am in this response I'm throwing their little test back at em.
Number 4 is alive y'all.
You still have a little time remaining to jump ship.
http://tinyurl.com/JehovahGodKingdomMsg1</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044724</id>
	<title>That's nothing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265459760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of these guys managed to turn water into wine 2000 years ago...</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of these guys managed to turn water into wine 2000 years ago.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of these guys managed to turn water into wine 2000 years ago...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045356</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-freeze</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1265469720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt you would want to coat your water pipes with Lithium Tantalate. First, tantalum is very expensive, and second (though this is only a wild guess) it could very easily be poisonous. Lithium can be pretty nasty stuff, and I don't know about tantalum.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt you would want to coat your water pipes with Lithium Tantalate .
First , tantalum is very expensive , and second ( though this is only a wild guess ) it could very easily be poisonous .
Lithium can be pretty nasty stuff , and I do n't know about tantalum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt you would want to coat your water pipes with Lithium Tantalate.
First, tantalum is very expensive, and second (though this is only a wild guess) it could very easily be poisonous.
Lithium can be pretty nasty stuff, and I don't know about tantalum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045234</id>
	<title>Global Warming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265468460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe this will be the thing that proves global warming a myth. If you warm water, and it still freezes, we'll still have icebergs and no massive coastal flooding. Right?
<p>
Posted anonymously because someone isn't going to take this as a joke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe this will be the thing that proves global warming a myth .
If you warm water , and it still freezes , we 'll still have icebergs and no massive coastal flooding .
Right ? Posted anonymously because someone is n't going to take this as a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe this will be the thing that proves global warming a myth.
If you warm water, and it still freezes, we'll still have icebergs and no massive coastal flooding.
Right?

Posted anonymously because someone isn't going to take this as a joke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044648</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Ardeaem</author>
	<datestamp>1265458800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You missed the point. The neat thing is that water was liquid, and then they WARMED it, and it froze. It is just a gimmick, but it's not just that they managed to get it to freeze at a temperature below 0C. It's that, due to the interaction between temperature, charge, and the freezing point, they reversed the normal COLD-WARM SOLID-LIQUID order.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the point .
The neat thing is that water was liquid , and then they WARMED it , and it froze .
It is just a gimmick , but it 's not just that they managed to get it to freeze at a temperature below 0C .
It 's that , due to the interaction between temperature , charge , and the freezing point , they reversed the normal COLD-WARM SOLID-LIQUID order .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the point.
The neat thing is that water was liquid, and then they WARMED it, and it froze.
It is just a gimmick, but it's not just that they managed to get it to freeze at a temperature below 0C.
It's that, due to the interaction between temperature, charge, and the freezing point, they reversed the normal COLD-WARM SOLID-LIQUID order.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045856</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new I have noticed this with my beer ;-</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1265475180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but it's due to the pressure changes and release of dissolved CO2.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but it 's due to the pressure changes and release of dissolved CO2 .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but it's due to the pressure changes and release of dissolved CO2.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044812</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265461500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real news is that they didn't change anyone for doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real news is that they did n't change anyone for doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real news is that they didn't change anyone for doing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31050654</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>BillX</author>
	<datestamp>1265481660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and if you pull a certain amount of vacuum on it, you can get water to do all of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple\_point" title="wikipedia.org">boil, liquefy and freeze</a> [wikipedia.org] at the same temperature. This is even without applying mechanical energy or kinky fields (electrostatic or magnetic) to coerce its behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and if you pull a certain amount of vacuum on it , you can get water to do all of boil , liquefy and freeze [ wikipedia.org ] at the same temperature .
This is even without applying mechanical energy or kinky fields ( electrostatic or magnetic ) to coerce its behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and if you pull a certain amount of vacuum on it, you can get water to do all of boil, liquefy and freeze [wikipedia.org] at the same temperature.
This is even without applying mechanical energy or kinky fields (electrostatic or magnetic) to coerce its behavior.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045752</id>
	<title>Re:Applications?</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1265474220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?</p></div><p>Cheaper cooling solutions for super computers than stuff like Flourinert, of course this could also makes for dirt-cheap AC units, refrigerators and so on.</p><p>Just think...no more bulky compressors for cooling.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but are there some cool real-world applications I 'm not thinking of ? Cheaper cooling solutions for super computers than stuff like Flourinert , of course this could also makes for dirt-cheap AC units , refrigerators and so on.Just think...no more bulky compressors for cooling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?Cheaper cooling solutions for super computers than stuff like Flourinert, of course this could also makes for dirt-cheap AC units, refrigerators and so on.Just think...no more bulky compressors for cooling.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045688</id>
	<title>What, no Mr.Freeze tag on this article?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265473560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could make one heck of a freeze gun with this technology... spray things and they freeze</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could make one heck of a freeze gun with this technology... spray things and they freeze</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could make one heck of a freeze gun with this technology... spray things and they freeze</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044998</id>
	<title>Re:Applications?</title>
	<author>cntThnkofAname</author>
	<datestamp>1265464980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>are there some <b>cool</b> real-world applications I'm not thinking of?</p></div><p>
Seeing that the water was bellow freezing in both cases, you can bet on some cool application!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>are there some cool real-world applications I 'm not thinking of ?
Seeing that the water was bellow freezing in both cases , you can bet on some cool application !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?
Seeing that the water was bellow freezing in both cases, you can bet on some cool application!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045918</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>justleavealonemmmkay</author>
	<datestamp>1265476140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call me back when you'll see "American scientist makes breakthrough in Stem Cell Research"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me back when you 'll see " American scientist makes breakthrough in Stem Cell Research "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me back when you'll see "American scientist makes breakthrough in Stem Cell Research"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044544</id>
	<title>Anti-freeze</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265457300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if it's feasible to coat this material on the inside of water pipes, to prevent them freezing in winter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if it 's feasible to coat this material on the inside of water pipes , to prevent them freezing in winter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if it's feasible to coat this material on the inside of water pipes, to prevent them freezing in winter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31048268</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1265454600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So in summary: It's interesting that the polarity of the charge of a container drastically affects the freezing point. It's quite a bit less interesting that by using a fancy container which alters its charge you can get water to freeze when it's warmed. (That's a bit more like a parlor trick though - it's not really the warming that's the point, it's the change of charge.)
</p><p>What would be really interesting to know is
WHY this happens, i.e. the underlying physics that casue this effect. Also, is this phenomenon isolated to water or are there other liquids with similar properies?
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So in summary : It 's interesting that the polarity of the charge of a container drastically affects the freezing point .
It 's quite a bit less interesting that by using a fancy container which alters its charge you can get water to freeze when it 's warmed .
( That 's a bit more like a parlor trick though - it 's not really the warming that 's the point , it 's the change of charge .
) What would be really interesting to know is WHY this happens , i.e .
the underlying physics that casue this effect .
Also , is this phenomenon isolated to water or are there other liquids with similar properies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So in summary: It's interesting that the polarity of the charge of a container drastically affects the freezing point.
It's quite a bit less interesting that by using a fancy container which alters its charge you can get water to freeze when it's warmed.
(That's a bit more like a parlor trick though - it's not really the warming that's the point, it's the change of charge.
)
What would be really interesting to know is
WHY this happens, i.e.
the underlying physics that casue this effect.
Also, is this phenomenon isolated to water or are there other liquids with similar properies?
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31050710</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new I have noticed this with my beer ;-</title>
	<author>BillX</author>
	<datestamp>1265482680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've also seen this happen with regularity - at work we sometimes crack a beer after hours, my boss likes to keep his cube fridge hell-frozen-overishly cold. So perfectly liquid beers (can or bottle) from the top shelf often freeze within 20 seconds after opening. He swears by the belief that giving the can a good hard squeeze for several seconds prior to opening reduces the chance of it freezing, but nobody has yet come up with a believable theory as to why that would be. Guesses so far are that the applying of warm hands boosts the temperature just enough, or that the final squeeze helps compress any stray bubbles back into solution and thus eliminate possible nucleation points. Personally, I'm just amused to keep mine a bit warmer and watch a handful of MS and PhDs arguing over why their beer freezes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've also seen this happen with regularity - at work we sometimes crack a beer after hours , my boss likes to keep his cube fridge hell-frozen-overishly cold .
So perfectly liquid beers ( can or bottle ) from the top shelf often freeze within 20 seconds after opening .
He swears by the belief that giving the can a good hard squeeze for several seconds prior to opening reduces the chance of it freezing , but nobody has yet come up with a believable theory as to why that would be .
Guesses so far are that the applying of warm hands boosts the temperature just enough , or that the final squeeze helps compress any stray bubbles back into solution and thus eliminate possible nucleation points .
Personally , I 'm just amused to keep mine a bit warmer and watch a handful of MS and PhDs arguing over why their beer freezes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've also seen this happen with regularity - at work we sometimes crack a beer after hours, my boss likes to keep his cube fridge hell-frozen-overishly cold.
So perfectly liquid beers (can or bottle) from the top shelf often freeze within 20 seconds after opening.
He swears by the belief that giving the can a good hard squeeze for several seconds prior to opening reduces the chance of it freezing, but nobody has yet come up with a believable theory as to why that would be.
Guesses so far are that the applying of warm hands boosts the temperature just enough, or that the final squeeze helps compress any stray bubbles back into solution and thus eliminate possible nucleation points.
Personally, I'm just amused to keep mine a bit warmer and watch a handful of MS and PhDs arguing over why their beer freezes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045014</id>
	<title>Re:Applications?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265465160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>but are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?</p></div></blockquote><p>A pyroelectric lithium tantalate ice cube tray?  In animal shapes?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>but are there some cool real-world applications I 'm not thinking of ? A pyroelectric lithium tantalate ice cube tray ?
In animal shapes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?A pyroelectric lithium tantalate ice cube tray?
In animal shapes?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045524</id>
	<title>Re:That's nothing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265471880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Was that before or after walking on it? Yuck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was that before or after walking on it ?
Yuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was that before or after walking on it?
Yuck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045878</id>
	<title>Finally proof of snow caused by Global Warming!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265475480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This explains why Washignton DCis under so much snow right now even though we have global warming!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This explains why Washignton DCis under so much snow right now even though we have global warming ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This explains why Washignton DCis under so much snow right now even though we have global warming!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045246</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1265468700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, liquid water already contains quite a lot of tetrahedral "crystalline" structures floating around amongst the other molecules. So it really shouldn't need anything external to crystallize around... it already has some of its own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , liquid water already contains quite a lot of tetrahedral " crystalline " structures floating around amongst the other molecules .
So it really should n't need anything external to crystallize around... it already has some of its own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, liquid water already contains quite a lot of tetrahedral "crystalline" structures floating around amongst the other molecules.
So it really shouldn't need anything external to crystallize around... it already has some of its own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31063944</id>
	<title>Re:That's nothing.</title>
	<author>ConceptJunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1265662320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, but He never published the details of how He did it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , but He never published the details of how He did it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, but He never published the details of how He did it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045332</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new I have noticed this with my beer ;-</title>
	<author>BoogieChile</author>
	<datestamp>1265469540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I have. I consider it one of the crowning achievements of my life. Beer at -4 degrees C is a wonderful, wonderful thing in an Australian summer.<br>
<br>
Testing with a digital thermometer was fun too. If the beer was too cold, dipping the tip of the probe into the beer is enough to start a cascade of freezing that blooms down through the whole bottle in about a second. Interesting phenomena to observe. But a waste of beer.<br>
<br>
With practice, I got the method worked out. Slow and careful is the key. Higher alcohol beers work better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I have .
I consider it one of the crowning achievements of my life .
Beer at -4 degrees C is a wonderful , wonderful thing in an Australian summer .
Testing with a digital thermometer was fun too .
If the beer was too cold , dipping the tip of the probe into the beer is enough to start a cascade of freezing that blooms down through the whole bottle in about a second .
Interesting phenomena to observe .
But a waste of beer .
With practice , I got the method worked out .
Slow and careful is the key .
Higher alcohol beers work better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I have.
I consider it one of the crowning achievements of my life.
Beer at -4 degrees C is a wonderful, wonderful thing in an Australian summer.
Testing with a digital thermometer was fun too.
If the beer was too cold, dipping the tip of the probe into the beer is enough to start a cascade of freezing that blooms down through the whole bottle in about a second.
Interesting phenomena to observe.
But a waste of beer.
With practice, I got the method worked out.
Slow and careful is the key.
Higher alcohol beers work better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044810</id>
	<title>This is cool...</title>
	<author>ctrl-alt-canc</author>
	<datestamp>1265461500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and warm at the same time... Being capable of controlling freezing point of water with an electric field could have very interesting applications in automotive and building industry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and warm at the same time... Being capable of controlling freezing point of water with an electric field could have very interesting applications in automotive and building industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and warm at the same time... Being capable of controlling freezing point of water with an electric field could have very interesting applications in automotive and building industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046014</id>
	<title>Misleading</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265476920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the field the water is in is certainly going to alter the internal structure. I'd be surprised if this extended into the bulk liquid. Otherwise water near electric cables would be notorious for odd freezing.</p><p>More likely whatever phase change the lithium tantalate went through to cause a charge change. Will also cause surface effects and irregularities for nucleation. Or visa versa.</p><p>In any case this is just a short range effect and won't be useable. Beyond the distance the field persists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the field the water is in is certainly going to alter the internal structure .
I 'd be surprised if this extended into the bulk liquid .
Otherwise water near electric cables would be notorious for odd freezing.More likely whatever phase change the lithium tantalate went through to cause a charge change .
Will also cause surface effects and irregularities for nucleation .
Or visa versa.In any case this is just a short range effect and wo n't be useable .
Beyond the distance the field persists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the field the water is in is certainly going to alter the internal structure.
I'd be surprised if this extended into the bulk liquid.
Otherwise water near electric cables would be notorious for odd freezing.More likely whatever phase change the lithium tantalate went through to cause a charge change.
Will also cause surface effects and irregularities for nucleation.
Or visa versa.In any case this is just a short range effect and won't be useable.
Beyond the distance the field persists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047198</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing new I have noticed this with my beer ;-</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1265487120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you open it COs is released this causes the pressure to fall.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; pV = nRT</p><p>So you did in fact cool it by opening it.</p><p>You could also supercool it I guess and shaking it a little when taking it out causes it to crystallize - but I'm having doubts about beer and beer bottles being pure enough to not crystallize out in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you open it COs is released this causes the pressure to fall .
        pV = nRTSo you did in fact cool it by opening it.You could also supercool it I guess and shaking it a little when taking it out causes it to crystallize - but I 'm having doubts about beer and beer bottles being pure enough to not crystallize out in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you open it COs is released this causes the pressure to fall.
        pV = nRTSo you did in fact cool it by opening it.You could also supercool it I guess and shaking it a little when taking it out causes it to crystallize - but I'm having doubts about beer and beer bottles being pure enough to not crystallize out in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044950</id>
	<title>Re:Applications?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265464380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apply that weird surface to generate the weird behaviour, and use it to power a Stirling engine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apply that weird surface to generate the weird behaviour , and use it to power a Stirling engine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apply that weird surface to generate the weird behaviour, and use it to power a Stirling engine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045034</id>
	<title>Using expansion of ice to generate power?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265465700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/2008/7/Using-expansion-ice-generate.htm" title="allexperts.com" rel="nofollow">http://en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/2008/7/Using-expansion-ice-generate.htm</a> [allexperts.com]<br>this model: ICE  0  WATER</p><p>if i understood the above explanation:<br>model using Lithium Tantalate: ICE -17 WATER -7 ICE 0 WATER</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/2008/7/Using-expansion-ice-generate.htm [ allexperts.com ] this model : ICE 0 WATERif i understood the above explanation : model using Lithium Tantalate : ICE -17 WATER -7 ICE 0 WATER</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.allexperts.com/q/Physics-1358/2008/7/Using-expansion-ice-generate.htm [allexperts.com]this model: ICE  0  WATERif i understood the above explanation:model using Lithium Tantalate: ICE -17 WATER -7 ICE 0 WATER</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31048372</id>
	<title>Re:That's nothing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265455560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, Israelis have a long tradition of chemically altering water. You would think a desert people would be more careful with such a scarce resource.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , Israelis have a long tradition of chemically altering water .
You would think a desert people would be more careful with such a scarce resource .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, Israelis have a long tradition of chemically altering water.
You would think a desert people would be more careful with such a scarce resource.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044542</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265457300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought pure water doesn't go solid, not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought pure water does n't go solid , not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought pure water doesn't go solid, not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046782</id>
	<title>Whut?</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1265483280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like it freezes due to the change in charge, not because the water warms up. It's freezing in *spite* of the water warming. It's like they are just chasing the freezing point around.</p><p>You get the same effect when opening a highly chilled bottle of soda. It starts to freeze due to the release of carbonation, although the pressure change might come into play as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like it freezes due to the change in charge , not because the water warms up .
It 's freezing in * spite * of the water warming .
It 's like they are just chasing the freezing point around.You get the same effect when opening a highly chilled bottle of soda .
It starts to freeze due to the release of carbonation , although the pressure change might come into play as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like it freezes due to the change in charge, not because the water warms up.
It's freezing in *spite* of the water warming.
It's like they are just chasing the freezing point around.You get the same effect when opening a highly chilled bottle of soda.
It starts to freeze due to the release of carbonation, although the pressure change might come into play as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044742</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265460060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot headlines seem to do it now and then:</p><p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/29/0224200" title="slashdot.org">Canadian Scientists Regrow Teeth</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/10/15/1752252.shtml" title="slashdot.org">French Scientists Link Higher BMI with Lower IQ</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/06/1212259" title="slashdot.org">British Scientists Reverse Casimir Effect</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/17/1153252" title="slashdot.org">German Physicists Claim Speed of Light Broken</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/11/1843221" title="slashdot.org">Japanese Scientists Claim To Reconstruct Images From Brain Data</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p><a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/10/12/1338220/Italian-Scientists-Put-Robot-Spiders-In-Your-Colon" title="slashdot.org">Italian Scientists Put Robot Spiders In Your Colon</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot headlines seem to do it now and then : Canadian Scientists Regrow Teeth [ slashdot.org ] French Scientists Link Higher BMI with Lower IQ [ slashdot.org ] British Scientists Reverse Casimir Effect [ slashdot.org ] German Physicists Claim Speed of Light Broken [ slashdot.org ] Japanese Scientists Claim To Reconstruct Images From Brain Data [ slashdot.org ] Italian Scientists Put Robot Spiders In Your Colon [ slashdot.org ] etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot headlines seem to do it now and then:Canadian Scientists Regrow Teeth [slashdot.org]French Scientists Link Higher BMI with Lower IQ [slashdot.org]British Scientists Reverse Casimir Effect [slashdot.org]German Physicists Claim Speed of Light Broken [slashdot.org]Japanese Scientists Claim To Reconstruct Images From Brain Data [slashdot.org]Italian Scientists Put Robot Spiders In Your Colon [slashdot.org]etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045172</id>
	<title>Re:Applications?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265467560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are scientists, not engineers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are scientists , not engineers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are scientists, not engineers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045536</id>
	<title>Re:Progress</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265472120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. And their research is apparently directed at creating peace in the Middle East...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
And their research is apparently directed at creating peace in the Middle East.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
And their research is apparently directed at creating peace in the Middle East...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31052198</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265555880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Answer got erased eh? Hit the old nerve I see. hehehehe Erasing my scriptural answer doesn't negate the content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Answer got erased eh ?
Hit the old nerve I see .
hehehehe Erasing my scriptural answer does n't negate the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Answer got erased eh?
Hit the old nerve I see.
hehehehe Erasing my scriptural answer doesn't negate the content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044878</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1265462700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Making water freeze at &gt;0'C is actually very easy. Just <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Water\_phase\_diagram.svg" title="wikipedia.org">reduce the pressure</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Making water freeze at &gt; 0'C is actually very easy .
Just reduce the pressure [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Making water freeze at &gt;0'C is actually very easy.
Just reduce the pressure [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31073596</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265737260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, they haven't. The water remains a liquid below zero because it is pure water, the impurities in normal water are what helps the ice crystals to form.  This was well known before this experiment.</p><p>I'm not really sure what practical uses this could have, right now it just seems like a neat trick in that they warm the water up and then it starts to freeze.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they have n't .
The water remains a liquid below zero because it is pure water , the impurities in normal water are what helps the ice crystals to form .
This was well known before this experiment.I 'm not really sure what practical uses this could have , right now it just seems like a neat trick in that they warm the water up and then it starts to freeze .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they haven't.
The water remains a liquid below zero because it is pure water, the impurities in normal water are what helps the ice crystals to form.
This was well known before this experiment.I'm not really sure what practical uses this could have, right now it just seems like a neat trick in that they warm the water up and then it starts to freeze.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047236</id>
	<title>My wife does something similar</title>
	<author>davidannis</author>
	<datestamp>1265487420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>when she saves me money by spending it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>when she saves me money by spending it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>when she saves me money by spending it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31051560</id>
	<title>Re:That's nothing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265545020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One of these guys managed to turn water into wine 2000 years ago...</p></div><p>And was later on tortured and killed by his own kind for not conforming to the established truths of their order.</p><p>(... Bracing for ADL shitstorm.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of these guys managed to turn water into wine 2000 years ago...And was later on tortured and killed by his own kind for not conforming to the established truths of their order. ( .. .
Bracing for ADL shitstorm .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of these guys managed to turn water into wine 2000 years ago...And was later on tortured and killed by his own kind for not conforming to the established truths of their order.(...
Bracing for ADL shitstorm.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044696</id>
	<title>Serious Science</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265459460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can tell they're real scientists because they have their own Igor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can tell they 're real scientists because they have their own Igor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can tell they're real scientists because they have their own Igor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044508</id>
	<title>Overflow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265456520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By reading the title only, I thought the overflow-bug of water was finally found.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By reading the title only , I thought the overflow-bug of water was finally found .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By reading the title only, I thought the overflow-bug of water was finally found.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046816</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1265483460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah but they introduced the electrical charge. That's what caused the freezing. They just didn't warm the water up enough to keep up with the change in freezing point. It's technical sleight of hand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah but they introduced the electrical charge .
That 's what caused the freezing .
They just did n't warm the water up enough to keep up with the change in freezing point .
It 's technical sleight of hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah but they introduced the electrical charge.
That's what caused the freezing.
They just didn't warm the water up enough to keep up with the change in freezing point.
It's technical sleight of hand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31050472</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid -PROFIT!</title>
	<author>X'16435934</author>
	<datestamp>1265479260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Find a way to freeze water at a REALLY LOW temp.  <br>
2. Write a research paper on it.  <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <br>
3. TENURE!  <br>
    and of course prophet...</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Find a way to freeze water at a REALLY LOW temp .
2. Write a research paper on it .
.. . 3 .
TENURE ! and of course prophet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Find a way to freeze water at a REALLY LOW temp.
2. Write a research paper on it.
... 
3.
TENURE!  
    and of course prophet...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046496</id>
	<title>Re:So that's Frozone's trick!</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1265481000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There has been quite a bit of work put into different 'icecretes', as a matter of fact. Here are a few examples, although I'm sure there's more that I'm not even aware of:</p><p><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/31-70/Ch6.htm" title="globalsecurity.org">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/31-70/Ch6.htm</a> [globalsecurity.org]<br>Skip down to para 6-8.c and 6-10.b</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Habakkuk" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Habakkuk</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p><a href="http://pisces.hilo.hawaii.edu/documents/VT-NIA-PISCESFinalReport.pdf" title="hawaii.edu">http://pisces.hilo.hawaii.edu/documents/VT-NIA-PISCESFinalReport.pdf</a> [hawaii.edu]<br>A *very* interesting paper on using lunar regolith icecrete for construction (among other topics)</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There has been quite a bit of work put into different 'icecretes ' , as a matter of fact .
Here are a few examples , although I 'm sure there 's more that I 'm not even aware of : http : //www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/31-70/Ch6.htm [ globalsecurity.org ] Skip down to para 6-8.c and 6-10.bhttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete [ wikipedia.org ] and http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project \ _Habakkuk [ wikipedia.org ] http : //pisces.hilo.hawaii.edu/documents/VT-NIA-PISCESFinalReport.pdf [ hawaii.edu ] A * very * interesting paper on using lunar regolith icecrete for construction ( among other topics ) -b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There has been quite a bit of work put into different 'icecretes', as a matter of fact.
Here are a few examples, although I'm sure there's more that I'm not even aware of:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/31-70/Ch6.htm [globalsecurity.org]Skip down to para 6-8.c and 6-10.bhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pykrete [wikipedia.org] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project\_Habakkuk [wikipedia.org]http://pisces.hilo.hawaii.edu/documents/VT-NIA-PISCESFinalReport.pdf [hawaii.edu]A *very* interesting paper on using lunar regolith icecrete for construction (among other topics)-b</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044482</id>
	<title>Applications?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265456160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>That does sound really cool, even as a fundamental research, but are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?</htmltext>
<tokenext>That does sound really cool , even as a fundamental research , but are there some cool real-world applications I 'm not thinking of ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That does sound really cool, even as a fundamental research, but are there some cool real-world applications I'm not thinking of?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044714</id>
	<title>Re:Anti-freeze</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265459640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, but do you really want your water pipes freezing in the summer instead?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , but do you really want your water pipes freezing in the summer instead ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, but do you really want your water pipes freezing in the summer instead?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045314</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1265469360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Researchers manage to make water freeze at greater than 0C</p></div></blockquote><p>That's easy, all you need is a vacuum.</p><p>It'll boil at the same time, but that can't be helped...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Researchers manage to make water freeze at greater than 0CThat 's easy , all you need is a vacuum.It 'll boil at the same time , but that ca n't be helped.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Researchers manage to make water freeze at greater than 0CThat's easy, all you need is a vacuum.It'll boil at the same time, but that can't be helped...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045068</id>
	<title>Opposite still working?</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1265466180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Turning ice into water by cooling it?<br><br>In any direction, changing state (or prevent that change) not using plain heat, but just charging electrically could make some applications more energy efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turning ice into water by cooling it ? In any direction , changing state ( or prevent that change ) not using plain heat , but just charging electrically could make some applications more energy efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turning ice into water by cooling it?In any direction, changing state (or prevent that change) not using plain heat, but just charging electrically could make some applications more energy efficient.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045102</id>
	<title>big deal</title>
	<author>pydev</author>
	<datestamp>1265466600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Supercooled water will freeze with just about any trigger.  The precise mechanism of this is kind of neat, but as an effect, it's not terribly surprising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Supercooled water will freeze with just about any trigger .
The precise mechanism of this is kind of neat , but as an effect , it 's not terribly surprising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Supercooled water will freeze with just about any trigger.
The precise mechanism of this is kind of neat, but as an effect, it's not terribly surprising.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046084</id>
	<title>Title is completely wrong, sorry but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265477520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The water doesn't freeze because it's warmed up.<br>The water DOESN'T freeze because of a negative electrical charge.</p><p>Of course, since it's below it's freezing point, once the negative electrical charge is removed, it freezes.<br>The fact that the substrate providing the negative charge changes to a positive charge at about -7 C and thus stops preventing the water from freezing is important to know, but doesn't change physics.</p><p>Why has Slashdot been getting so many bad/wrong headlines of late?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The water does n't freeze because it 's warmed up.The water DOES N'T freeze because of a negative electrical charge.Of course , since it 's below it 's freezing point , once the negative electrical charge is removed , it freezes.The fact that the substrate providing the negative charge changes to a positive charge at about -7 C and thus stops preventing the water from freezing is important to know , but does n't change physics.Why has Slashdot been getting so many bad/wrong headlines of late ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The water doesn't freeze because it's warmed up.The water DOESN'T freeze because of a negative electrical charge.Of course, since it's below it's freezing point, once the negative electrical charge is removed, it freezes.The fact that the substrate providing the negative charge changes to a positive charge at about -7 C and thus stops preventing the water from freezing is important to know, but doesn't change physics.Why has Slashdot been getting so many bad/wrong headlines of late?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044498</id>
	<title>Progress</title>
	<author>brettz9</author>
	<datestamp>1265456340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not quite Hell, but it's an impressive step in that direction...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not quite Hell , but it 's an impressive step in that direction.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not quite Hell, but it's an impressive step in that direction...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047442</id>
	<title>Basic chemistry continues to amaze</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265489580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can change the freezing temperature of water by adding something else to it in solution?  Before TFA I would have never guessed that was possible (Bangs head on table)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can change the freezing temperature of water by adding something else to it in solution ?
Before TFA I would have never guessed that was possible ( Bangs head on table )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can change the freezing temperature of water by adding something else to it in solution?
Before TFA I would have never guessed that was possible (Bangs head on table)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044894</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Linzer</author>
	<datestamp>1265463000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought pure water doesn't go solid, not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid?</p></div><p>In many cases, the surface of the container has defects which can play that role.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought pure water does n't go solid , not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid ? In many cases , the surface of the container has defects which can play that role .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought pure water doesn't go solid, not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid?In many cases, the surface of the container has defects which can play that role.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047908</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>tchdab1</author>
	<datestamp>1265450940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize that I'm ignoring lots of physical detail, but like others above I remain unimpressed by the ability to freeze water at 137 degrees below its freezing point. It won't help my radiator on a cold day, unfreeze my pipes or the walk outside, as those environments don't have the purity and perfection required to get away with this.</p><p>Can someone offer an example of a useful application of the ability to freeze pure water at -137 degrees?  Someone must have taken advantage of this property to do something interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize that I 'm ignoring lots of physical detail , but like others above I remain unimpressed by the ability to freeze water at 137 degrees below its freezing point .
It wo n't help my radiator on a cold day , unfreeze my pipes or the walk outside , as those environments do n't have the purity and perfection required to get away with this.Can someone offer an example of a useful application of the ability to freeze pure water at -137 degrees ?
Someone must have taken advantage of this property to do something interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize that I'm ignoring lots of physical detail, but like others above I remain unimpressed by the ability to freeze water at 137 degrees below its freezing point.
It won't help my radiator on a cold day, unfreeze my pipes or the walk outside, as those environments don't have the purity and perfection required to get away with this.Can someone offer an example of a useful application of the ability to freeze pure water at -137 degrees?
Someone must have taken advantage of this property to do something interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046060</id>
	<title>Re:Applications?</title>
	<author>iwaybandit</author>
	<datestamp>1265477340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a road surface can hold a negative charge, ice won't form above the charge-altered freezing point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a road surface can hold a negative charge , ice wo n't form above the charge-altered freezing point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a road surface can hold a negative charge, ice won't form above the charge-altered freezing point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044760</id>
	<title>So that's Frozone's trick!</title>
	<author>wisebabo</author>
	<datestamp>1265460540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He must be negatively charged (thus keeping water a liquid on or in him) and then the moment he "releases" it, it freezes!</p><p>Could there be some sort of industrial application for this, like ice-making where you have a jet of "liquid" water (because it is kept in a negatively charged apparatus) but upon contact with something, loses its charge and freezes?  How about rapid construction of ice sculptures?  Just like spray on concrete.</p><p>I even seem to remember someone in WWII proposing making giant pontoons/floating islands out of ice and hay.</p><p>How about in Antarctica/on Mars using it for rapid construction of ice domes?  Once it solidifies it won't melt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He must be negatively charged ( thus keeping water a liquid on or in him ) and then the moment he " releases " it , it freezes ! Could there be some sort of industrial application for this , like ice-making where you have a jet of " liquid " water ( because it is kept in a negatively charged apparatus ) but upon contact with something , loses its charge and freezes ?
How about rapid construction of ice sculptures ?
Just like spray on concrete.I even seem to remember someone in WWII proposing making giant pontoons/floating islands out of ice and hay.How about in Antarctica/on Mars using it for rapid construction of ice domes ?
Once it solidifies it wo n't melt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He must be negatively charged (thus keeping water a liquid on or in him) and then the moment he "releases" it, it freezes!Could there be some sort of industrial application for this, like ice-making where you have a jet of "liquid" water (because it is kept in a negatively charged apparatus) but upon contact with something, loses its charge and freezes?
How about rapid construction of ice sculptures?
Just like spray on concrete.I even seem to remember someone in WWII proposing making giant pontoons/floating islands out of ice and hay.How about in Antarctica/on Mars using it for rapid construction of ice domes?
Once it solidifies it won't melt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044628</id>
	<title>Nothing new I have noticed this with my beer ;-))</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265458440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I put a beer in the freezer too long but not that long, when I take it out of the freezer, I can see it is pretty 100\% liquid inside the bottle. Now, taking it out of the freezer makes it warmer and opening it even warmer due to air circulation inside the bottle.</p><p>Well, when I open it, it turns to ice so I make my beer freeze by making it warmer so nothing new here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;--))))</p><p>Very seriously, I swear this is true but I understand it could be due to other factors that the ones described in TFA like pressure inside the bottle but I thought it would interesting to mention anyway.</p><p>Haven't anybody else seen their beer freeze in their hand while opening it just after it has been in the freezer although it was in a liquid state when they actually took it out of the freezer ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I put a beer in the freezer too long but not that long , when I take it out of the freezer , I can see it is pretty 100 \ % liquid inside the bottle .
Now , taking it out of the freezer makes it warmer and opening it even warmer due to air circulation inside the bottle.Well , when I open it , it turns to ice so I make my beer freeze by making it warmer so nothing new here ; -- ) ) ) ) Very seriously , I swear this is true but I understand it could be due to other factors that the ones described in TFA like pressure inside the bottle but I thought it would interesting to mention anyway.Have n't anybody else seen their beer freeze in their hand while opening it just after it has been in the freezer although it was in a liquid state when they actually took it out of the freezer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I put a beer in the freezer too long but not that long, when I take it out of the freezer, I can see it is pretty 100\% liquid inside the bottle.
Now, taking it out of the freezer makes it warmer and opening it even warmer due to air circulation inside the bottle.Well, when I open it, it turns to ice so I make my beer freeze by making it warmer so nothing new here ;--))))Very seriously, I swear this is true but I understand it could be due to other factors that the ones described in TFA like pressure inside the bottle but I thought it would interesting to mention anyway.Haven't anybody else seen their beer freeze in their hand while opening it just after it has been in the freezer although it was in a liquid state when they actually took it out of the freezer ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047344</id>
	<title>Dumbfucks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265488500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will some of you Eurofags explain to me why this water isn't freezing at 0 degrees C?  I thought you faggots had the more "logical" system?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will some of you Eurofags explain to me why this water is n't freezing at 0 degrees C ?
I thought you faggots had the more " logical " system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will some of you Eurofags explain to me why this water isn't freezing at 0 degrees C?
I thought you faggots had the more "logical" system?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046154</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1265478120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could lead to a way to make ice cream without salt. They've managed to lower the freezing point of water without having to put any chemicals in the actual water itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could lead to a way to make ice cream without salt .
They 've managed to lower the freezing point of water without having to put any chemicals in the actual water itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could lead to a way to make ice cream without salt.
They've managed to lower the freezing point of water without having to put any chemicals in the actual water itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045130</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>pj81381</author>
	<datestamp>1265467020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought pure water doesn't go solid, not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid?</p></div><p>This comment seems really unintuitive so I looked around a little. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphous\_ice" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Ice</a> [wikipedia.org] can actually form entirely without crystallization, by cooling it to ~137 C in a matter of milliseconds. The article also mentions that "pure water, in the absence of any nucleating surface, can remain in a supercooled liquid state down to temperatures as low as
-40C". I guess that means that pure water will begin crystallizing at this temperature anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought pure water does n't go solid , not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid ? This comment seems really unintuitive so I looked around a little .
Ice [ wikipedia.org ] can actually form entirely without crystallization , by cooling it to ~ 137 C in a matter of milliseconds .
The article also mentions that " pure water , in the absence of any nucleating surface , can remain in a supercooled liquid state down to temperatures as low as -40C " .
I guess that means that pure water will begin crystallizing at this temperature anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought pure water doesn't go solid, not until an impurity starts crystal formation that turns the water into a solid?This comment seems really unintuitive so I looked around a little.
Ice [wikipedia.org] can actually form entirely without crystallization, by cooling it to ~137 C in a matter of milliseconds.
The article also mentions that "pure water, in the absence of any nucleating surface, can remain in a supercooled liquid state down to temperatures as low as
-40C".
I guess that means that pure water will begin crystallizing at this temperature anyway.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044690</id>
	<title>Oy Veh!  Hot Popcicles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265459340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If your date is frigid, and the cialis is ready to go...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If your date is frigid , and the cialis is ready to go.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your date is frigid, and the cialis is ready to go...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044480</id>
	<title>I could be stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265456100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I was expecting something along the lines of "Researchers manage to make water freeze at greater than 0C," instead of "Researchers manage to make water freeze below normal freezing temperature."</p><p>Haven't they ever heard of salt?  Or Anti-freeze?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I was expecting something along the lines of " Researchers manage to make water freeze at greater than 0C , " instead of " Researchers manage to make water freeze below normal freezing temperature .
" Have n't they ever heard of salt ?
Or Anti-freeze ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I was expecting something along the lines of "Researchers manage to make water freeze at greater than 0C," instead of "Researchers manage to make water freeze below normal freezing temperature.
"Haven't they ever heard of salt?
Or Anti-freeze?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044734</id>
	<title>Ah, I see you are an american</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1265460000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You clearly must be an American, since you compare beer to water. Over here in the old world, we know there is a difference by the taste for one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You clearly must be an American , since you compare beer to water .
Over here in the old world , we know there is a difference by the taste for one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You clearly must be an American, since you compare beer to water.
Over here in the old world, we know there is a difference by the taste for one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047328</id>
	<title>Heat of melting/fusion</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1265488320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, does water absorb/release 334 kJ/kg when it thaws/freezes due to this change in charge? If so, we may have some interesting applications in the area of refrigeration, heat engines, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does water absorb/release 334 kJ/kg when it thaws/freezes due to this change in charge ?
If so , we may have some interesting applications in the area of refrigeration , heat engines , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does water absorb/release 334 kJ/kg when it thaws/freezes due to this change in charge?
If so, we may have some interesting applications in the area of refrigeration, heat engines, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31045066</id>
	<title>Moses out of Egypt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265466180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The discoverers being jewish boffins, I wish to ask if this pyro-electric trick can be used to divide the Red Sea by high-teparature freezing, so that it can be passed on dry land by barefoot, chariots, battle tanks and re-flooded on whim?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The discoverers being jewish boffins , I wish to ask if this pyro-electric trick can be used to divide the Red Sea by high-teparature freezing , so that it can be passed on dry land by barefoot , chariots , battle tanks and re-flooded on whim ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The discoverers being jewish boffins, I wish to ask if this pyro-electric trick can be used to divide the Red Sea by high-teparature freezing, so that it can be passed on dry land by barefoot, chariots, battle tanks and re-flooded on whim?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044848</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>lanner</author>
	<datestamp>1265461980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's basically important to the Israelis that they don't appear to be a giant crosshair bomb drop spot for every single country they border, and then two and three countries away, that they don't commit horrible war crimes and acts against humanity while clutching the the victim story of yesterday (of which most victims are now dead and were victimized by completely unrelated people and countries), and that they might half a quarter-tiny-half chance of a viable economy (you know, if the United States wasn't giving the billions each year).</p><p>So, it's important to them, but no, nobody else really cares.</p><p>Given that their police would put three bullet holes in my Mac Book pro on my arrival to the air port, I think I'll never ever go there in my lifetime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's basically important to the Israelis that they do n't appear to be a giant crosshair bomb drop spot for every single country they border , and then two and three countries away , that they do n't commit horrible war crimes and acts against humanity while clutching the the victim story of yesterday ( of which most victims are now dead and were victimized by completely unrelated people and countries ) , and that they might half a quarter-tiny-half chance of a viable economy ( you know , if the United States was n't giving the billions each year ) .So , it 's important to them , but no , nobody else really cares.Given that their police would put three bullet holes in my Mac Book pro on my arrival to the air port , I think I 'll never ever go there in my lifetime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's basically important to the Israelis that they don't appear to be a giant crosshair bomb drop spot for every single country they border, and then two and three countries away, that they don't commit horrible war crimes and acts against humanity while clutching the the victim story of yesterday (of which most victims are now dead and were victimized by completely unrelated people and countries), and that they might half a quarter-tiny-half chance of a viable economy (you know, if the United States wasn't giving the billions each year).So, it's important to them, but no, nobody else really cares.Given that their police would put three bullet holes in my Mac Book pro on my arrival to the air port, I think I'll never ever go there in my lifetime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044582</id>
	<title>Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265457720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't remember the science story yesterday <em>Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy</em> being called <em> <b>Japanese</b> Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy</em>. Is the fact these scientists are Israeli <i>title</i> worthy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't remember the science story yesterday Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy being called Japanese Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy .
Is the fact these scientists are Israeli title worthy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't remember the science story yesterday Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy being called  Japanese Physicists Discover How To Teleport Energy.
Is the fact these scientists are Israeli title worthy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044514</id>
	<title>Let me get this straight</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265456640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So first they cool it to -17 degree and it remains a liquid, then they warm it up to -7 degree and it freezes. That's like traveling from Greenwich to the Arctic via Antarctica and then call it a scientific discovery that one can actually reach the Arctic by going south, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So first they cool it to -17 degree and it remains a liquid , then they warm it up to -7 degree and it freezes .
That 's like traveling from Greenwich to the Arctic via Antarctica and then call it a scientific discovery that one can actually reach the Arctic by going south , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So first they cool it to -17 degree and it remains a liquid, then they warm it up to -7 degree and it freezes.
That's like traveling from Greenwich to the Arctic via Antarctica and then call it a scientific discovery that one can actually reach the Arctic by going south, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044838</id>
	<title>Re:Israeli Scientists</title>
	<author>Daemonax</author>
	<datestamp>1265461920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indeed. I remember something that I think I heard Chomsky saying, it might have been in response to one of those silly people that claim science is just like religion, and he mentioned something about the Nazi term Deutsche Physik and how that was silly, as when he reads a well written scientific paper he has no idea about the culture or religion of the author as science aims for objectiveness and tries to avoid subjectiveness. It shouldn't matter one bit who is doing the science, their name, country or ethnicity does not affect whether the science is correct or not.
<br> <br>
I couldn't help though, when seeing the title of thinking "Jewish scientists conspire to freeze water by warming, redefine black as white and turn the world upside down!".
<br> <br>
From the summary though anyway, what they've done sounds very interesting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
I remember something that I think I heard Chomsky saying , it might have been in response to one of those silly people that claim science is just like religion , and he mentioned something about the Nazi term Deutsche Physik and how that was silly , as when he reads a well written scientific paper he has no idea about the culture or religion of the author as science aims for objectiveness and tries to avoid subjectiveness .
It should n't matter one bit who is doing the science , their name , country or ethnicity does not affect whether the science is correct or not .
I could n't help though , when seeing the title of thinking " Jewish scientists conspire to freeze water by warming , redefine black as white and turn the world upside down ! " .
From the summary though anyway , what they 've done sounds very interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
I remember something that I think I heard Chomsky saying, it might have been in response to one of those silly people that claim science is just like religion, and he mentioned something about the Nazi term Deutsche Physik and how that was silly, as when he reads a well written scientific paper he has no idea about the culture or religion of the author as science aims for objectiveness and tries to avoid subjectiveness.
It shouldn't matter one bit who is doing the science, their name, country or ethnicity does not affect whether the science is correct or not.
I couldn't help though, when seeing the title of thinking "Jewish scientists conspire to freeze water by warming, redefine black as white and turn the world upside down!".
From the summary though anyway, what they've done sounds very interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044800</id>
	<title>How?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1265461260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is going to make a better Martini how, exactly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is going to make a better Martini how , exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is going to make a better Martini how, exactly?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31047066</id>
	<title>Re:Ah, I see you are an american</title>
	<author>Gerafix</author>
	<datestamp>1265485860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He can't be American because we all know that American beer is more like piss than water. Perhaps this is one article where Frosty Piss is on topic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He ca n't be American because we all know that American beer is more like piss than water .
Perhaps this is one article where Frosty Piss is on topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He can't be American because we all know that American beer is more like piss than water.
Perhaps this is one article where Frosty Piss is on topic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31046310</id>
	<title>Re:I could be stupid</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1265479380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Defects in the container can help it to freeze. It can also help to prevent superheated water in the microwave. I've come close to being burned by this effect.</p><p>I remember one time when younger smashing the ice in a puddle with my foot while running and the water underneath making a cracking sound after a second. It was odd enough for me to stop and look. It had frozen solid in an instant. It had a odd pattern to it but I was more interested in getting to some place warm so I didn't really stay and examine it.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeWQ72X-YnM" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeWQ72X-YnM</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Defects in the container can help it to freeze .
It can also help to prevent superheated water in the microwave .
I 've come close to being burned by this effect.I remember one time when younger smashing the ice in a puddle with my foot while running and the water underneath making a cracking sound after a second .
It was odd enough for me to stop and look .
It had frozen solid in an instant .
It had a odd pattern to it but I was more interested in getting to some place warm so I did n't really stay and examine it.http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = NeWQ72X-YnM [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Defects in the container can help it to freeze.
It can also help to prevent superheated water in the microwave.
I've come close to being burned by this effect.I remember one time when younger smashing the ice in a puddle with my foot while running and the water underneath making a cracking sound after a second.
It was odd enough for me to stop and look.
It had frozen solid in an instant.
It had a odd pattern to it but I was more interested in getting to some place warm so I didn't really stay and examine it.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeWQ72X-YnM [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_06_0718206.31044576</id>
	<title>Dowsing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265457720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An Australian from Mitta Mitta  who failed a dowsing test claimed that he only failed because the water was "electrically charged wrong".<br>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4694530584288972114</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An Australian from Mitta Mitta who failed a dowsing test claimed that he only failed because the water was " electrically charged wrong " .http : //video.google.com/videoplay ? docid = 4694530584288972114</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An Australian from Mitta Mitta  who failed a dowsing test claimed that he only failed because the water was "electrically charged wrong".http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4694530584288972114</sentencetext>
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