<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_05_1357248</id>
	<title>UCLA Profs Banned From Posting Course Videos</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265380740000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.eff.org/support" rel="nofollow">I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property</a> writes <i>"As of Winter Quarter 2010, UCLA professors will <a href="http://www.dailybruin.com/articles/2010/1/25/ucla-professors-banned-posting-videos-online/">no longer be able to post videos on their course websites</a>. Although they've long relied upon fair use protections for educational use, the <a href="http://www.aime.org/">Association for Information Media and Equipment</a> has made claims that they're copyright infringers, even though the <a href="http://www.oid.ucla.edu/units/imlab/faq/vf/">videos are only available on campus</a> and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab. Even though they believe their use of the materials to be fair, the UCLA has decided to back down rather than face litigation.  Many professors have commented that this will hurt students, because they now have to watch all videos at the IML, which <a href="http://www.oid.ucla.edu/units/imlab">isn't open on weekends</a>, forcing students to try to fit assigned videos between classes."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>I Do n't Believe in Imaginary Property writes " As of Winter Quarter 2010 , UCLA professors will no longer be able to post videos on their course websites .
Although they 've long relied upon fair use protections for educational use , the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they 're copyright infringers , even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab .
Even though they believe their use of the materials to be fair , the UCLA has decided to back down rather than face litigation .
Many professors have commented that this will hurt students , because they now have to watch all videos at the IML , which is n't open on weekends , forcing students to try to fit assigned videos between classes .
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<sentencetext>I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "As of Winter Quarter 2010, UCLA professors will no longer be able to post videos on their course websites.
Although they've long relied upon fair use protections for educational use, the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they're copyright infringers, even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab.
Even though they believe their use of the materials to be fair, the UCLA has decided to back down rather than face litigation.
Many professors have commented that this will hurt students, because they now have to watch all videos at the IML, which isn't open on weekends, forcing students to try to fit assigned videos between classes.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31037226</id>
	<title>Clarification of the issue.</title>
	<author>managerialslime</author>
	<datestamp>1265398020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What sort of videos are we talking about? The only videos I've ever watched in an educational setting were pointless time wasters intended to give the teacher a break. If that's what we're talking about, they have a point. But there's really no loss as they're a waste of time anyway.<br>If we're talking about video recording of lectures given by professors, then the professors should have the copyright and should be able to distribute them any way they want. This would be far more useful than some generic educational video anyway. </i></p><p>Your understanding of the problem is close, but imprecise.</p><p>What is at stake here are professors whose lectures routinely use copyrighted materials.</p><p>One prior post speculated that the resulting video should be legal due to the "fair use" doctrine.</p><p>Another prior post speculated that due to a technicality, that lecture reproduction is fair use for an educational DVD, but specifically not legal (i.e. infringing) when used with streaming video.</p><p>As a result, rather than figure out which lectures are infringing and which are legal, the school has just banned everything to be safe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What sort of videos are we talking about ?
The only videos I 've ever watched in an educational setting were pointless time wasters intended to give the teacher a break .
If that 's what we 're talking about , they have a point .
But there 's really no loss as they 're a waste of time anyway.If we 're talking about video recording of lectures given by professors , then the professors should have the copyright and should be able to distribute them any way they want .
This would be far more useful than some generic educational video anyway .
Your understanding of the problem is close , but imprecise.What is at stake here are professors whose lectures routinely use copyrighted materials.One prior post speculated that the resulting video should be legal due to the " fair use " doctrine.Another prior post speculated that due to a technicality , that lecture reproduction is fair use for an educational DVD , but specifically not legal ( i.e .
infringing ) when used with streaming video.As a result , rather than figure out which lectures are infringing and which are legal , the school has just banned everything to be safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What sort of videos are we talking about?
The only videos I've ever watched in an educational setting were pointless time wasters intended to give the teacher a break.
If that's what we're talking about, they have a point.
But there's really no loss as they're a waste of time anyway.If we're talking about video recording of lectures given by professors, then the professors should have the copyright and should be able to distribute them any way they want.
This would be far more useful than some generic educational video anyway.
Your understanding of the problem is close, but imprecise.What is at stake here are professors whose lectures routinely use copyrighted materials.One prior post speculated that the resulting video should be legal due to the "fair use" doctrine.Another prior post speculated that due to a technicality, that lecture reproduction is fair use for an educational DVD, but specifically not legal (i.e.
infringing) when used with streaming video.As a result, rather than figure out which lectures are infringing and which are legal, the school has just banned everything to be safe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034628</id>
	<title>Not nearly as bad as the summary sounds</title>
	<author>RingDev</author>
	<datestamp>1265386260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't about a recording of a lecture that gets posted, this is about copyright protected videos that a professor shows during a lecture being posted.</p><p>So under this threat, a professor that shows "Steamboat Willy" in a class can not post "Steamboat Willy" onto the more accessible distribution system.</p><p>-Rick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't about a recording of a lecture that gets posted , this is about copyright protected videos that a professor shows during a lecture being posted.So under this threat , a professor that shows " Steamboat Willy " in a class can not post " Steamboat Willy " onto the more accessible distribution system.-Rick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't about a recording of a lecture that gets posted, this is about copyright protected videos that a professor shows during a lecture being posted.So under this threat, a professor that shows "Steamboat Willy" in a class can not post "Steamboat Willy" onto the more accessible distribution system.-Rick</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035624</id>
	<title>In my day...</title>
	<author>jbarr</author>
	<datestamp>1265391480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just don't get it. OK, so I went to college in the pre-Internet days, and times have obviously changed, but this really struck me:</p><blockquote><div><p>"Many professors have commented that this will hurt students, because they now have to watch all videos at the IML, which isn't open on weekends, forcing students to try to fit assigned videos between classes."</p></div></blockquote><p>Isn't part of the educational process (or life in general) getting people to be responsible with and accountable to their time? Or am I just part of an older generation?</p><p>How is "forcing students to fit assigned videos between classes" any different from "forcing students to read assigned books between classes" or "forcing students to fit research time between classes"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just do n't get it .
OK , so I went to college in the pre-Internet days , and times have obviously changed , but this really struck me : " Many professors have commented that this will hurt students , because they now have to watch all videos at the IML , which is n't open on weekends , forcing students to try to fit assigned videos between classes .
" Is n't part of the educational process ( or life in general ) getting people to be responsible with and accountable to their time ?
Or am I just part of an older generation ? How is " forcing students to fit assigned videos between classes " any different from " forcing students to read assigned books between classes " or " forcing students to fit research time between classes " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just don't get it.
OK, so I went to college in the pre-Internet days, and times have obviously changed, but this really struck me:"Many professors have commented that this will hurt students, because they now have to watch all videos at the IML, which isn't open on weekends, forcing students to try to fit assigned videos between classes.
"Isn't part of the educational process (or life in general) getting people to be responsible with and accountable to their time?
Or am I just part of an older generation?How is "forcing students to fit assigned videos between classes" any different from "forcing students to read assigned books between classes" or "forcing students to fit research time between classes"?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034608</id>
	<title>Use Textbooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265386200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a side effect, just get back to traditional teaching methods and start using text books($$). Also big large buildings and pass the cost to students in name of increase in tution cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a side effect , just get back to traditional teaching methods and start using text books ( $ $ ) .
Also big large buildings and pass the cost to students in name of increase in tution cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a side effect, just get back to traditional teaching methods and start using text books($$).
Also big large buildings and pass the cost to students in name of increase in tution cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034354</id>
	<title>Fair Use</title>
	<author>conureman</author>
	<datestamp>1265384760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to get a new edition of the Legal Dictionary, the one with the correct interpretations of words you THOUGHT you knew, like Common Law, and Common Sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to get a new edition of the Legal Dictionary , the one with the correct interpretations of words you THOUGHT you knew , like Common Law , and Common Sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to get a new edition of the Legal Dictionary, the one with the correct interpretations of words you THOUGHT you knew, like Common Law, and Common Sense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034376</id>
	<title>Law School Opportunity?</title>
	<author>HTMLSpinnr</author>
	<datestamp>1265384880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a better way to break in some law or pre-law students than to represent this case. Backing down benefits nobody but AIME and future precedent for online coursework.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a better way to break in some law or pre-law students than to represent this case .
Backing down benefits nobody but AIME and future precedent for online coursework .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a better way to break in some law or pre-law students than to represent this case.
Backing down benefits nobody but AIME and future precedent for online coursework.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034660</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265386500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Video Furnace and HaiVision merged in March 2009 to form HaiVision Network Video. Please continue to the HaiVision site for all Video Furnace related</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Video Furnace and HaiVision merged in March 2009 to form HaiVision Network Video .
Please continue to the HaiVision site for all Video Furnace related</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Video Furnace and HaiVision merged in March 2009 to form HaiVision Network Video.
Please continue to the HaiVision site for all Video Furnace related</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034424</id>
	<title>Actually *attend* the lectures?</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1265385180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I was at university, we had to go to the lectures in person - not wait for them to come out on video. How times change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was at university , we had to go to the lectures in person - not wait for them to come out on video .
How times change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was at university, we had to go to the lectures in person - not wait for them to come out on video.
How times change.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31038330</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265402880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Video Furnace recordings are ONLY available on campus (not from the general internet), as you can see from the link included.  But yes, these are (for example) foreign films and whatnot, rather than class lecture recordings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Video Furnace recordings are ONLY available on campus ( not from the general internet ) , as you can see from the link included .
But yes , these are ( for example ) foreign films and whatnot , rather than class lecture recordings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Video Furnace recordings are ONLY available on campus (not from the general internet), as you can see from the link included.
But yes, these are (for example) foreign films and whatnot, rather than class lecture recordings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034650</id>
	<title>I'm not sure to understand</title>
	<author>werfu</author>
	<datestamp>1265386380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The AIME is saying the teachers posting video online of their lecture are infringin copyright laws. But aren't the teachers owner of their lecture copyright?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The AIME is saying the teachers posting video online of their lecture are infringin copyright laws .
But are n't the teachers owner of their lecture copyright ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The AIME is saying the teachers posting video online of their lecture are infringin copyright laws.
But aren't the teachers owner of their lecture copyright?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034414</id>
	<title>To clarify:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265385120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are NOT talking about videos of the courses</p><p>The ban applies to videos assigned by professors for students to watch.</p><p>Previously these could be streamed and watched at student's leisure.  Now they have to go to the media lab to watch them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are NOT talking about videos of the coursesThe ban applies to videos assigned by professors for students to watch.Previously these could be streamed and watched at student 's leisure .
Now they have to go to the media lab to watch them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are NOT talking about videos of the coursesThe ban applies to videos assigned by professors for students to watch.Previously these could be streamed and watched at student's leisure.
Now they have to go to the media lab to watch them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31038596</id>
	<title>Textbook publishers want you to buy THEIR content!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265360880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely this is a ploy by Pearson Education, Wiley and McGraw to encourage/force/coerce students and professors to use their approval course materials and restrict profs to only uploading anodyne word files and pdfs.</p><p>It's really insane because the big publishers love to freeload on free media and boast of the amazing amount of "video" content in their products - when it's really old stuff or just YouTube. Disgusting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely this is a ploy by Pearson Education , Wiley and McGraw to encourage/force/coerce students and professors to use their approval course materials and restrict profs to only uploading anodyne word files and pdfs.It 's really insane because the big publishers love to freeload on free media and boast of the amazing amount of " video " content in their products - when it 's really old stuff or just YouTube .
Disgusting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely this is a ploy by Pearson Education, Wiley and McGraw to encourage/force/coerce students and professors to use their approval course materials and restrict profs to only uploading anodyne word files and pdfs.It's really insane because the big publishers love to freeload on free media and boast of the amazing amount of "video" content in their products - when it's really old stuff or just YouTube.
Disgusting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035724</id>
	<title>Re:Videos? In college?</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1265391840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you RTFA, you would see that they mention several examples. This is not about lectures. Some of them are educational videos, which I tend to agree are often a waste of time. However, some of the videos are absolutely necessary for the course (in some form or another), like this one:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Eric Gans, a French cinema professor, has also been impacted by the video ban. Because his class falls on Mondays and Wednesdays, Mondays are usually designated to watch the movies that they discuss on Wednesdays. However, two weeks this quarter, due to the national holidays that fall on Mondays, Gans&rsquo; 40 students will have to individually watch the one copy of the movie held at reserve in the Media Lab.</p><p>&ldquo;If we want students to write a paper on the film over the weekend, it&rsquo;s more convenient for the student to rewatch the movie online over the weekend. (The ban) makes teaching cinema more difficult (because) Video Furnace was extremely useful,&rdquo; Gans said. &ldquo;I very much hope (the university) will reach some kind of agreement.&rdquo;</p></div><p>I imagine that buying a dozen imported french films would be fairly expensive for a student, so it would be nice if they could come to some sort of arrangement that is better than a single reserve copy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you RTFA , you would see that they mention several examples .
This is not about lectures .
Some of them are educational videos , which I tend to agree are often a waste of time .
However , some of the videos are absolutely necessary for the course ( in some form or another ) , like this one : Eric Gans , a French cinema professor , has also been impacted by the video ban .
Because his class falls on Mondays and Wednesdays , Mondays are usually designated to watch the movies that they discuss on Wednesdays .
However , two weeks this quarter , due to the national holidays that fall on Mondays , Gans    40 students will have to individually watch the one copy of the movie held at reserve in the Media Lab.    If we want students to write a paper on the film over the weekend , it    s more convenient for the student to rewatch the movie online over the weekend .
( The ban ) makes teaching cinema more difficult ( because ) Video Furnace was extremely useful ,    Gans said .
   I very much hope ( the university ) will reach some kind of agreement.    I imagine that buying a dozen imported french films would be fairly expensive for a student , so it would be nice if they could come to some sort of arrangement that is better than a single reserve copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you RTFA, you would see that they mention several examples.
This is not about lectures.
Some of them are educational videos, which I tend to agree are often a waste of time.
However, some of the videos are absolutely necessary for the course (in some form or another), like this one:Eric Gans, a French cinema professor, has also been impacted by the video ban.
Because his class falls on Mondays and Wednesdays, Mondays are usually designated to watch the movies that they discuss on Wednesdays.
However, two weeks this quarter, due to the national holidays that fall on Mondays, Gans’ 40 students will have to individually watch the one copy of the movie held at reserve in the Media Lab.“If we want students to write a paper on the film over the weekend, it’s more convenient for the student to rewatch the movie online over the weekend.
(The ban) makes teaching cinema more difficult (because) Video Furnace was extremely useful,” Gans said.
“I very much hope (the university) will reach some kind of agreement.”I imagine that buying a dozen imported french films would be fairly expensive for a student, so it would be nice if they could come to some sort of arrangement that is better than a single reserve copy.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034856</id>
	<title>Similar as with copyrights on scientific papers</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1265387640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The copyrights are NOT owned by the authors (the researchers, who did the experiments, compiled the results, came up with theories, ideas, formulas and supporting material, wrote the whole damn thing), but by the journal. Who gets all the revenue, too. The researchers get jack. And their work, since copyrighted, cannot be distributed to the humanity as a whole, even though that was the intention of the scientists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The copyrights are NOT owned by the authors ( the researchers , who did the experiments , compiled the results , came up with theories , ideas , formulas and supporting material , wrote the whole damn thing ) , but by the journal .
Who gets all the revenue , too .
The researchers get jack .
And their work , since copyrighted , can not be distributed to the humanity as a whole , even though that was the intention of the scientists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The copyrights are NOT owned by the authors (the researchers, who did the experiments, compiled the results, came up with theories, ideas, formulas and supporting material, wrote the whole damn thing), but by the journal.
Who gets all the revenue, too.
The researchers get jack.
And their work, since copyrighted, cannot be distributed to the humanity as a whole, even though that was the intention of the scientists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31037994</id>
	<title>Re:Actually *attend* the lectures?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265401560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was at university you could smoke cigarettes in class, and smoke pot with the professors after class.</p><p>How times change!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was at university you could smoke cigarettes in class , and smoke pot with the professors after class.How times change !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was at university you could smoke cigarettes in class, and smoke pot with the professors after class.How times change!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034482</id>
	<title>Strange wording in summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265385480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(1) "the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they're copyright infringers, even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab." (2) "Even though they believe their use of the materials to be fair, the UCLA has decided to back down rather than face litigation. Many professors have commented that this will hurt students, because they now have to watch all videos at the IML,"</p><p>In sentence 1, the fact that videos are available to watch in the IML is used as an argument that this is fair use. It is implied strongly (without it, the sentence makes no sense) that videos are ONLY available to view in the IML. However, in sentence 2 it is asserted that restricting viewing to the IML would be a change from today and more limiting.</p><p>Effectively translated: 'VIAA claims that this is not fair use, because videos can be viewed from anywhere. But we refute this, because videos can be viewed from anywhere including the IML!'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( 1 ) " the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they 're copyright infringers , even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab .
" ( 2 ) " Even though they believe their use of the materials to be fair , the UCLA has decided to back down rather than face litigation .
Many professors have commented that this will hurt students , because they now have to watch all videos at the IML , " In sentence 1 , the fact that videos are available to watch in the IML is used as an argument that this is fair use .
It is implied strongly ( without it , the sentence makes no sense ) that videos are ONLY available to view in the IML .
However , in sentence 2 it is asserted that restricting viewing to the IML would be a change from today and more limiting.Effectively translated : 'VIAA claims that this is not fair use , because videos can be viewed from anywhere .
But we refute this , because videos can be viewed from anywhere including the IML !
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(1) "the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they're copyright infringers, even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab.
" (2) "Even though they believe their use of the materials to be fair, the UCLA has decided to back down rather than face litigation.
Many professors have commented that this will hurt students, because they now have to watch all videos at the IML,"In sentence 1, the fact that videos are available to watch in the IML is used as an argument that this is fair use.
It is implied strongly (without it, the sentence makes no sense) that videos are ONLY available to view in the IML.
However, in sentence 2 it is asserted that restricting viewing to the IML would be a change from today and more limiting.Effectively translated: 'VIAA claims that this is not fair use, because videos can be viewed from anywhere.
But we refute this, because videos can be viewed from anywhere including the IML!
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034422</id>
	<title>So negotiate a license with the copyright holders</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1265385180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems like just a 'simple' negotiating situation to me. UCLA should just refuse to buy or use any instructional videos which don't grant them a license to make the videos available to enrolled students and faculty online. If the copyright holders want to play hardball, play hardball. Heck, extend this beyond UCLA, and make it a State of California mandate for all state Universities in the California system. What instructional video publisher wants to be locked out of all California public Universities?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like just a 'simple ' negotiating situation to me .
UCLA should just refuse to buy or use any instructional videos which do n't grant them a license to make the videos available to enrolled students and faculty online .
If the copyright holders want to play hardball , play hardball .
Heck , extend this beyond UCLA , and make it a State of California mandate for all state Universities in the California system .
What instructional video publisher wants to be locked out of all California public Universities ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like just a 'simple' negotiating situation to me.
UCLA should just refuse to buy or use any instructional videos which don't grant them a license to make the videos available to enrolled students and faculty online.
If the copyright holders want to play hardball, play hardball.
Heck, extend this beyond UCLA, and make it a State of California mandate for all state Universities in the California system.
What instructional video publisher wants to be locked out of all California public Universities?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035040</id>
	<title>Their mission statement....</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1265388720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The mission of AIME (pronounced &ldquo;aim&rdquo;) is to promote fair and appropriate use of the media and equipment delivering information in a rapidly changing world."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The mission of AIME ( pronounced    aim    ) is to promote fair and appropriate use of the media and equipment delivering information in a rapidly changing world .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The mission of AIME (pronounced “aim”) is to promote fair and appropriate use of the media and equipment delivering information in a rapidly changing world.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035316</id>
	<title>'standards' based solution?</title>
	<author>hAckz0r</author>
	<datestamp>1265389980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why on earth did they opt for Video Furnace in the first place, which is an on demand hardware based live media solution? Yup, that's like having your own on-demand cable-tv setup where you control the video stream, or deny access until subscriptions and/or per-use payments are all in order. An open standards web based solution would do them just fine, only it would allow the less technically challenged people the capability of making a private copy for later reference (i.e. like taking notes). The current configuration requires custom client side 'player' software which is apparently where the copyright violations come into play. The media lab has licensing for the player software but you average Joe on the Internet does not. The Media Lab should look at several options:<p>

1) Control access to the site via user ID and password and licence the client software accordingly. This is not my option, as this still denies students access that don't have the required OS platform.</p><p>

2) Switch to an open standard for streaming or downloadable media which does not require any special player so that \_all\_ OS's and browsers can be used. There are many open solutions that won't cost the University a dime to deploy. All they need is software to create a media content web server, which they already must have in order to do what they are doing now. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on earth did they opt for Video Furnace in the first place , which is an on demand hardware based live media solution ?
Yup , that 's like having your own on-demand cable-tv setup where you control the video stream , or deny access until subscriptions and/or per-use payments are all in order .
An open standards web based solution would do them just fine , only it would allow the less technically challenged people the capability of making a private copy for later reference ( i.e .
like taking notes ) .
The current configuration requires custom client side 'player ' software which is apparently where the copyright violations come into play .
The media lab has licensing for the player software but you average Joe on the Internet does not .
The Media Lab should look at several options : 1 ) Control access to the site via user ID and password and licence the client software accordingly .
This is not my option , as this still denies students access that do n't have the required OS platform .
2 ) Switch to an open standard for streaming or downloadable media which does not require any special player so that \ _all \ _ OS 's and browsers can be used .
There are many open solutions that wo n't cost the University a dime to deploy .
All they need is software to create a media content web server , which they already must have in order to do what they are doing now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why on earth did they opt for Video Furnace in the first place, which is an on demand hardware based live media solution?
Yup, that's like having your own on-demand cable-tv setup where you control the video stream, or deny access until subscriptions and/or per-use payments are all in order.
An open standards web based solution would do them just fine, only it would allow the less technically challenged people the capability of making a private copy for later reference (i.e.
like taking notes).
The current configuration requires custom client side 'player' software which is apparently where the copyright violations come into play.
The media lab has licensing for the player software but you average Joe on the Internet does not.
The Media Lab should look at several options:

1) Control access to the site via user ID and password and licence the client software accordingly.
This is not my option, as this still denies students access that don't have the required OS platform.
2) Switch to an open standard for streaming or downloadable media which does not require any special player so that \_all\_ OS's and browsers can be used.
There are many open solutions that won't cost the University a dime to deploy.
All they need is software to create a media content web server, which they already must have in order to do what they are doing now. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034412</id>
	<title>To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1265385120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.</p></div></blockquote><p>What a curious definition of "promote" we've arrived at.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.What a curious definition of " promote " we 've arrived at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.What a curious definition of "promote" we've arrived at.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034888</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Richard\_at\_work</author>
	<datestamp>1265387820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The solution is to threaten to leave Video Furnace unless they amend their licensing contract or give you a way to convert to an open format that the professors can post where ever they want -- once you have the raw video, upload it to YouTube or Vimeo.</p></div><p>Surely the 'solution' would be for the customer, in this case the ACLU, to buy the correct licensing - not threaten the license holder...</p><p>Your suggestion smacks of 'wahhh I didnt buy what I should have but give it to me anyway!'</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution is to threaten to leave Video Furnace unless they amend their licensing contract or give you a way to convert to an open format that the professors can post where ever they want -- once you have the raw video , upload it to YouTube or Vimeo.Surely the 'solution ' would be for the customer , in this case the ACLU , to buy the correct licensing - not threaten the license holder...Your suggestion smacks of 'wahhh I didnt buy what I should have but give it to me anyway !
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution is to threaten to leave Video Furnace unless they amend their licensing contract or give you a way to convert to an open format that the professors can post where ever they want -- once you have the raw video, upload it to YouTube or Vimeo.Surely the 'solution' would be for the customer, in this case the ACLU, to buy the correct licensing - not threaten the license holder...Your suggestion smacks of 'wahhh I didnt buy what I should have but give it to me anyway!
'
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034314</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034402</id>
	<title>Excellent, two thumbs up!</title>
	<author>moz25</author>
	<datestamp>1265385000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this *exactly* what we want? Let the next generation get first-hand generation of the worse sides of copyright law. THEY are the ones who will tip the balance to actually change things as the older generation is phased out.</p><p>I hope they will remember this incident very well in their future careers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this * exactly * what we want ?
Let the next generation get first-hand generation of the worse sides of copyright law .
THEY are the ones who will tip the balance to actually change things as the older generation is phased out.I hope they will remember this incident very well in their future careers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this *exactly* what we want?
Let the next generation get first-hand generation of the worse sides of copyright law.
THEY are the ones who will tip the balance to actually change things as the older generation is phased out.I hope they will remember this incident very well in their future careers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034560</id>
	<title>How is this different from course readers?</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1265385780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Written material by others, namely, course readers, have to abide to copyright: there is no fair-use exemption that allows the readers to be made without paying the copyright holders, nor for faculty to copy textbooks.</p><p>Why should videos <i>not done by the faculty</i> be any different?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Written material by others , namely , course readers , have to abide to copyright : there is no fair-use exemption that allows the readers to be made without paying the copyright holders , nor for faculty to copy textbooks.Why should videos not done by the faculty be any different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Written material by others, namely, course readers, have to abide to copyright: there is no fair-use exemption that allows the readers to be made without paying the copyright holders, nor for faculty to copy textbooks.Why should videos not done by the faculty be any different?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034314</id>
	<title>Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265384580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Although they've long relied upon fair use protections for educational use, the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they're copyright infringers, even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab.</p></div><p>That may be the case now but according to the article, that was the specific problem.  That they were using Video Furnace to post videos online so students could view the videos outside of the IML which has horrible hours like being closed on weekends.  From one of the students:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"If we want students to write a paper on the film over the weekend, it&rsquo;s more convenient for the student to rewatch the movie online over the weekend. (The ban) makes teaching cinema more difficult (because) Video Furnace was extremely useful," Gans said. "I very much hope (the university) will reach some kind of agreement."</p></div><p>It seems they licensed Video Furnace for use of its technology only on campus and only on campus machines.  But the ease of use means that if you post a Video Furnace movie on your course website then students -- or maybe even anyone -- could access it using a browser from anywhere.  The summary link says that this may work but is not recommended due to possible latency from the server.  <br> <br>

The ACLU backed down because, well, the university is probably violating its licensing agreement with Video Furnace.  The professors don't do licensing so they didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong.  The solution is to threaten to leave Video Furnace unless they amend their licensing contract or give you a way to convert to an open format that the professors can post where ever they want -- once you have the raw video, upload it to YouTube or Vimeo.  It's been shown that <a href="http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/02/university-finds-free-online-classes-dont-sap-enrollment.ars" title="arstechnica.com">free online courses don't hurt enrollment anyway</a> [arstechnica.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although they 've long relied upon fair use protections for educational use , the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they 're copyright infringers , even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab.That may be the case now but according to the article , that was the specific problem .
That they were using Video Furnace to post videos online so students could view the videos outside of the IML which has horrible hours like being closed on weekends .
From one of the students : " If we want students to write a paper on the film over the weekend , it    s more convenient for the student to rewatch the movie online over the weekend .
( The ban ) makes teaching cinema more difficult ( because ) Video Furnace was extremely useful , " Gans said .
" I very much hope ( the university ) will reach some kind of agreement .
" It seems they licensed Video Furnace for use of its technology only on campus and only on campus machines .
But the ease of use means that if you post a Video Furnace movie on your course website then students -- or maybe even anyone -- could access it using a browser from anywhere .
The summary link says that this may work but is not recommended due to possible latency from the server .
The ACLU backed down because , well , the university is probably violating its licensing agreement with Video Furnace .
The professors do n't do licensing so they did n't understand that what they were doing was wrong .
The solution is to threaten to leave Video Furnace unless they amend their licensing contract or give you a way to convert to an open format that the professors can post where ever they want -- once you have the raw video , upload it to YouTube or Vimeo .
It 's been shown that free online courses do n't hurt enrollment anyway [ arstechnica.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although they've long relied upon fair use protections for educational use, the Association for Information Media and Equipment has made claims that they're copyright infringers, even though the videos are only available on campus and the students are allowed to watch the videos in the Instructional Media Lab.That may be the case now but according to the article, that was the specific problem.
That they were using Video Furnace to post videos online so students could view the videos outside of the IML which has horrible hours like being closed on weekends.
From one of the students:"If we want students to write a paper on the film over the weekend, it’s more convenient for the student to rewatch the movie online over the weekend.
(The ban) makes teaching cinema more difficult (because) Video Furnace was extremely useful," Gans said.
"I very much hope (the university) will reach some kind of agreement.
"It seems they licensed Video Furnace for use of its technology only on campus and only on campus machines.
But the ease of use means that if you post a Video Furnace movie on your course website then students -- or maybe even anyone -- could access it using a browser from anywhere.
The summary link says that this may work but is not recommended due to possible latency from the server.
The ACLU backed down because, well, the university is probably violating its licensing agreement with Video Furnace.
The professors don't do licensing so they didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong.
The solution is to threaten to leave Video Furnace unless they amend their licensing contract or give you a way to convert to an open format that the professors can post where ever they want -- once you have the raw video, upload it to YouTube or Vimeo.
It's been shown that free online courses don't hurt enrollment anyway [arstechnica.com].
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034620</id>
	<title>digital libraries</title>
	<author>uiberto</author>
	<datestamp>1265386260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since these videos are for educational purposes for students of the university, it seems simple enough to restrict access based on student IDs. Perhaps there is a method to check out online media from the library.</p><p>This article (being that it's on UCLA's site) mostly seems like a ploy to gain popular support even though they violated their contract with Video Furnace (who respects copyright law). "We can't provide this free service anymore because of the big bad company we just scammed!" I could not envision a similar article complaining about Coca-Cola refusing to stock vending machines that were being robbed routinely.</p><p>Digital libraries are going to face a whole slew of copyright issues over the next century. I imagine this concept of intellectual property will become more and more absurd. If there are any modern librarians out there, I'd love to hear what challenges you face.</p><p>Of course by the year 2110, copyright will struggle to adapt to telepathy, but it will be in vain, as no one can stop me from watching Free Willy with my mind. I like the part with the whale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since these videos are for educational purposes for students of the university , it seems simple enough to restrict access based on student IDs .
Perhaps there is a method to check out online media from the library.This article ( being that it 's on UCLA 's site ) mostly seems like a ploy to gain popular support even though they violated their contract with Video Furnace ( who respects copyright law ) .
" We ca n't provide this free service anymore because of the big bad company we just scammed !
" I could not envision a similar article complaining about Coca-Cola refusing to stock vending machines that were being robbed routinely.Digital libraries are going to face a whole slew of copyright issues over the next century .
I imagine this concept of intellectual property will become more and more absurd .
If there are any modern librarians out there , I 'd love to hear what challenges you face.Of course by the year 2110 , copyright will struggle to adapt to telepathy , but it will be in vain , as no one can stop me from watching Free Willy with my mind .
I like the part with the whale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since these videos are for educational purposes for students of the university, it seems simple enough to restrict access based on student IDs.
Perhaps there is a method to check out online media from the library.This article (being that it's on UCLA's site) mostly seems like a ploy to gain popular support even though they violated their contract with Video Furnace (who respects copyright law).
"We can't provide this free service anymore because of the big bad company we just scammed!
" I could not envision a similar article complaining about Coca-Cola refusing to stock vending machines that were being robbed routinely.Digital libraries are going to face a whole slew of copyright issues over the next century.
I imagine this concept of intellectual property will become more and more absurd.
If there are any modern librarians out there, I'd love to hear what challenges you face.Of course by the year 2110, copyright will struggle to adapt to telepathy, but it will be in vain, as no one can stop me from watching Free Willy with my mind.
I like the part with the whale.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31038174</id>
	<title>Re:Not nearly as bad as the summary sounds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265402220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You write that as if your clarification does not still sound completely batshit insane.<br>Do you think that just *maybe* going to still try to download these movies for study? They'd better hope that their professors assign more recent movies; if they have to study Blade Runner, they're probably fine, but if they're trying to find a torrent of Battleship Potemkin, they'll probably be SOL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You write that as if your clarification does not still sound completely batshit insane.Do you think that just * maybe * going to still try to download these movies for study ?
They 'd better hope that their professors assign more recent movies ; if they have to study Blade Runner , they 're probably fine , but if they 're trying to find a torrent of Battleship Potemkin , they 'll probably be SOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You write that as if your clarification does not still sound completely batshit insane.Do you think that just *maybe* going to still try to download these movies for study?
They'd better hope that their professors assign more recent movies; if they have to study Blade Runner, they're probably fine, but if they're trying to find a torrent of Battleship Potemkin, they'll probably be SOL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034628</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034838</id>
	<title>RTFA</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1265387520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary almost makes it sound like professors can't put up videos of their own lectures.  But that's not what this is about at all.  It's about professors not being able to put up <em>other</em> people's video. It even mentions a cinema professor.  e.g. "Hey, we're gonna watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight and talk about it tomorrow.  Oh, you can't come tonight?  No problem, I'll just put the movie up on the class website." It's not exactly shocking that someone objected to that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary almost makes it sound like professors ca n't put up videos of their own lectures .
But that 's not what this is about at all .
It 's about professors not being able to put up other people 's video .
It even mentions a cinema professor .
e.g. " Hey , we 're gon na watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight and talk about it tomorrow .
Oh , you ca n't come tonight ?
No problem , I 'll just put the movie up on the class website .
" It 's not exactly shocking that someone objected to that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary almost makes it sound like professors can't put up videos of their own lectures.
But that's not what this is about at all.
It's about professors not being able to put up other people's video.
It even mentions a cinema professor.
e.g. "Hey, we're gonna watch The Texas Chainsaw Massacre tonight and talk about it tomorrow.
Oh, you can't come tonight?
No problem, I'll just put the movie up on the class website.
" It's not exactly shocking that someone objected to that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035132</id>
	<title>Re:Who owns the copyright?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265389140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't own the copyright to the movies, which is what was being posted, not their lectures. Check out the rest of the comments where the incredibly poor lead-in is taken to task.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't own the copyright to the movies , which is what was being posted , not their lectures .
Check out the rest of the comments where the incredibly poor lead-in is taken to task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't own the copyright to the movies, which is what was being posted, not their lectures.
Check out the rest of the comments where the incredibly poor lead-in is taken to task.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31037086</id>
	<title>Imagine books instead of video</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265397480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Teacher: "Good morning, lit class.  Next we'll be reading Catch-22 by Joseph Heller.  It's for sale at the bookstore.  Go buy a copy and read the first 100 pages and we'll talk about it on Monday."
</p><p>Student: "Buy?!  I can't afford that."
</p><p>Teacher: "Ok, well the library also has--"
</p><p>Student: "Only one copy and Ralph here next to me already checked it out."
</p><p>Teacher: "Ok, well, then, I'll just take my copy here over to the photocopy machine.  Who all of you need a free copy?"
</p><p>Student: "Me!"
</p><p>Student: "Mee!"
</p><p>Student: "Me too!"
</p><p>Heller: "Brains!" [Kills teacher and eats brain.]
</p><p>Student: "Why did you kill teacher?"
</p><p>Heller: "Copyright infringement."
</p><p>Student: "You're dead.  Why do you care?"
</p><p>Heller: "Need money buy brains."
</p><p>That's a totally believable scenario.  But change the book to a movie and suddenly people are surprised that someone's brain got eaten.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Teacher : " Good morning , lit class .
Next we 'll be reading Catch-22 by Joseph Heller .
It 's for sale at the bookstore .
Go buy a copy and read the first 100 pages and we 'll talk about it on Monday .
" Student : " Buy ? !
I ca n't afford that .
" Teacher : " Ok , well the library also has-- " Student : " Only one copy and Ralph here next to me already checked it out .
" Teacher : " Ok , well , then , I 'll just take my copy here over to the photocopy machine .
Who all of you need a free copy ?
" Student : " Me !
" Student : " Mee !
" Student : " Me too !
" Heller : " Brains !
" [ Kills teacher and eats brain .
] Student : " Why did you kill teacher ?
" Heller : " Copyright infringement .
" Student : " You 're dead .
Why do you care ?
" Heller : " Need money buy brains .
" That 's a totally believable scenario .
But change the book to a movie and suddenly people are surprised that someone 's brain got eaten .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Teacher: "Good morning, lit class.
Next we'll be reading Catch-22 by Joseph Heller.
It's for sale at the bookstore.
Go buy a copy and read the first 100 pages and we'll talk about it on Monday.
"
Student: "Buy?!
I can't afford that.
"
Teacher: "Ok, well the library also has--"
Student: "Only one copy and Ralph here next to me already checked it out.
"
Teacher: "Ok, well, then, I'll just take my copy here over to the photocopy machine.
Who all of you need a free copy?
"
Student: "Me!
"
Student: "Mee!
"
Student: "Me too!
"
Heller: "Brains!
" [Kills teacher and eats brain.
]
Student: "Why did you kill teacher?
"
Heller: "Copyright infringement.
"
Student: "You're dead.
Why do you care?
"
Heller: "Need money buy brains.
"
That's a totally believable scenario.
But change the book to a movie and suddenly people are surprised that someone's brain got eaten.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034722</id>
	<title>"The UCLA"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265386800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's as good as Bear Grylls "In The Moab"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's as good as Bear Grylls " In The Moab " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's as good as Bear Grylls "In The Moab"...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31037062</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Mr. Slippery</author>
	<datestamp>1265397360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The ACLU backed down because...</p></div></blockquote><p>Did I miss something? How is the ACLU involved in this?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ACLU backed down because...Did I miss something ?
How is the ACLU involved in this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ACLU backed down because...Did I miss something?
How is the ACLU involved in this?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31039438</id>
	<title>Entitlement</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265364600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the USA. Nobody should ever get anything ever without somebody else making a (maximum) profit on it. Anything else would be socialism! Besides, now those students will have time to pray and go to church while waiting for their turn at the pay-per-view media center. I'll bet the only students who needed easy access to those videos were illegal immigrants anyway. Send 'em back home I say!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the USA .
Nobody should ever get anything ever without somebody else making a ( maximum ) profit on it .
Anything else would be socialism !
Besides , now those students will have time to pray and go to church while waiting for their turn at the pay-per-view media center .
I 'll bet the only students who needed easy access to those videos were illegal immigrants anyway .
Send 'em back home I say !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the USA.
Nobody should ever get anything ever without somebody else making a (maximum) profit on it.
Anything else would be socialism!
Besides, now those students will have time to pray and go to church while waiting for their turn at the pay-per-view media center.
I'll bet the only students who needed easy access to those videos were illegal immigrants anyway.
Send 'em back home I say!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034998</id>
	<title>Who owns the copyright?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265388540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm confused. The professors were posting the video's, you would figure they owned the copyright to their material. Some universities have you sign a paper that says that they own your course material. While I totally disagree with the concept of buying copyrights from the original authors, I can understand this. But here is said the University was back down, from whom? Who is threatening to sue? Who thinks they own the rights to UCLA's professors course material???</p><p>Please someone tell me whats wrong with this picture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused .
The professors were posting the video 's , you would figure they owned the copyright to their material .
Some universities have you sign a paper that says that they own your course material .
While I totally disagree with the concept of buying copyrights from the original authors , I can understand this .
But here is said the University was back down , from whom ?
Who is threatening to sue ?
Who thinks they own the rights to UCLA 's professors course material ? ?
? Please someone tell me whats wrong with this picture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused.
The professors were posting the video's, you would figure they owned the copyright to their material.
Some universities have you sign a paper that says that they own your course material.
While I totally disagree with the concept of buying copyrights from the original authors, I can understand this.
But here is said the University was back down, from whom?
Who is threatening to sue?
Who thinks they own the rights to UCLA's professors course material??
?Please someone tell me whats wrong with this picture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31036748</id>
	<title>Re:So negotiate a license with the copyright holde</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265395860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This seems like just a 'simple' negotiating situation to me. UCLA should just refuse to buy or use any instructional videos which don't grant them a license to make the videos available to enrolled students and faculty online. If the copyright holders want to play hardball, play hardball. Heck, extend this beyond UCLA, and make it a State of California mandate for all state Universities in the California system. What instructional video publisher wants to be locked out of all California public Universities?</p></div><p>I fully agree with playing hardball.</p><p>I say take it a few steps further.  Comply with their request for 6 months.  This will give UCLA an exact dollar value of damages caused by this illegal threat for a baseless case.</p><p>Then go to court, this time not as a defendant but as the litigant.  Fair use exemptions are clearly in force here so this is a frivolous lawsuit made in bad faith (Giving oneself a title of 'copyright holder' requires you to be aware of the laws related to such a title.  As far as I am concerned, not doing so is negligence, and any damage caused by their negligence is made in 'bad faith')</p><p>UCLA really should also look into a government exemption to copyright restrictions, seeing as most of their money comes in the form of federal grants.  It should only be a paperwork issue for the video purchases to show as coming from the US Department of Education (a federal agency except from copyright restrictions) instead of coming from UCLA.<br>Any federal government office is automatically except and is legally unable to violate copyright (At least the copyright of American made works.  I assume it might not apply to other countries, but also assume we will respect those countries laws about as much as we do now, aka not much at all.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>This seems like just a 'simple ' negotiating situation to me .
UCLA should just refuse to buy or use any instructional videos which do n't grant them a license to make the videos available to enrolled students and faculty online .
If the copyright holders want to play hardball , play hardball .
Heck , extend this beyond UCLA , and make it a State of California mandate for all state Universities in the California system .
What instructional video publisher wants to be locked out of all California public Universities ? I fully agree with playing hardball.I say take it a few steps further .
Comply with their request for 6 months .
This will give UCLA an exact dollar value of damages caused by this illegal threat for a baseless case.Then go to court , this time not as a defendant but as the litigant .
Fair use exemptions are clearly in force here so this is a frivolous lawsuit made in bad faith ( Giving oneself a title of 'copyright holder ' requires you to be aware of the laws related to such a title .
As far as I am concerned , not doing so is negligence , and any damage caused by their negligence is made in 'bad faith ' ) UCLA really should also look into a government exemption to copyright restrictions , seeing as most of their money comes in the form of federal grants .
It should only be a paperwork issue for the video purchases to show as coming from the US Department of Education ( a federal agency except from copyright restrictions ) instead of coming from UCLA.Any federal government office is automatically except and is legally unable to violate copyright ( At least the copyright of American made works .
I assume it might not apply to other countries , but also assume we will respect those countries laws about as much as we do now , aka not much at all .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like just a 'simple' negotiating situation to me.
UCLA should just refuse to buy or use any instructional videos which don't grant them a license to make the videos available to enrolled students and faculty online.
If the copyright holders want to play hardball, play hardball.
Heck, extend this beyond UCLA, and make it a State of California mandate for all state Universities in the California system.
What instructional video publisher wants to be locked out of all California public Universities?I fully agree with playing hardball.I say take it a few steps further.
Comply with their request for 6 months.
This will give UCLA an exact dollar value of damages caused by this illegal threat for a baseless case.Then go to court, this time not as a defendant but as the litigant.
Fair use exemptions are clearly in force here so this is a frivolous lawsuit made in bad faith (Giving oneself a title of 'copyright holder' requires you to be aware of the laws related to such a title.
As far as I am concerned, not doing so is negligence, and any damage caused by their negligence is made in 'bad faith')UCLA really should also look into a government exemption to copyright restrictions, seeing as most of their money comes in the form of federal grants.
It should only be a paperwork issue for the video purchases to show as coming from the US Department of Education (a federal agency except from copyright restrictions) instead of coming from UCLA.Any federal government office is automatically except and is legally unable to violate copyright (At least the copyright of American made works.
I assume it might not apply to other countries, but also assume we will respect those countries laws about as much as we do now, aka not much at all.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035520</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>quetwo</author>
	<datestamp>1265391000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The VideoFurnace product they are using allows users to stream the video using Multicast, using their VOD (Video On Demand) module.  In theory, this content can be viewed anywhere on the UCLA Multicast Domain, which also includes a majority of the Internet2.  Generally this is seen as "on campus only"  Consumers cannot watch this content from home, as most commericial ISPs don't participate in Internet2, nor do they support multicast.  Additionally, the VideoFurance equipment allows for this content to be encrypted, which disallows users to simply copy the content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The VideoFurnace product they are using allows users to stream the video using Multicast , using their VOD ( Video On Demand ) module .
In theory , this content can be viewed anywhere on the UCLA Multicast Domain , which also includes a majority of the Internet2 .
Generally this is seen as " on campus only " Consumers can not watch this content from home , as most commericial ISPs do n't participate in Internet2 , nor do they support multicast .
Additionally , the VideoFurance equipment allows for this content to be encrypted , which disallows users to simply copy the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The VideoFurnace product they are using allows users to stream the video using Multicast, using their VOD (Video On Demand) module.
In theory, this content can be viewed anywhere on the UCLA Multicast Domain, which also includes a majority of the Internet2.
Generally this is seen as "on campus only"  Consumers cannot watch this content from home, as most commericial ISPs don't participate in Internet2, nor do they support multicast.
Additionally, the VideoFurance equipment allows for this content to be encrypted, which disallows users to simply copy the content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035398</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1265390400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you buy a DVD, it has an implicit license to the conditions under which you can watch it (That FBI warning at the beginning indicating you can't show it to a large audience). To comply with copyright law, an "instructional" DVD which permits showing to an audience is required.</p></div><p>This is false. There is an explicit exemption for use of videos in the classroom. From <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110" title="copyright.gov">17 USC 110 (1)</a> [copyright.gov]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(1) performance or display of a work by instructors or pupils in the course of face-to-face teaching activities of a nonprofit educational institution, in a classroom or similar place devoted to instruction, unless, in the case of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, the performance, or the display of individual images, is given by means of a copy that was not lawfully made under this title, and that the person responsible for the performance knew or had reason to believe was not lawfully made;</p></div><p>However, this does not cover posting videos online, like UCLA was doing. IIRC (can't find a link right now), there have been cases where schools tried to include videos in distance learning classes, and the judge ruled that it was not fair use.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you buy a DVD , it has an implicit license to the conditions under which you can watch it ( That FBI warning at the beginning indicating you ca n't show it to a large audience ) .
To comply with copyright law , an " instructional " DVD which permits showing to an audience is required.This is false .
There is an explicit exemption for use of videos in the classroom .
From 17 USC 110 ( 1 ) [ copyright.gov ] : ( 1 ) performance or display of a work by instructors or pupils in the course of face-to-face teaching activities of a nonprofit educational institution , in a classroom or similar place devoted to instruction , unless , in the case of a motion picture or other audiovisual work , the performance , or the display of individual images , is given by means of a copy that was not lawfully made under this title , and that the person responsible for the performance knew or had reason to believe was not lawfully made ; However , this does not cover posting videos online , like UCLA was doing .
IIRC ( ca n't find a link right now ) , there have been cases where schools tried to include videos in distance learning classes , and the judge ruled that it was not fair use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you buy a DVD, it has an implicit license to the conditions under which you can watch it (That FBI warning at the beginning indicating you can't show it to a large audience).
To comply with copyright law, an "instructional" DVD which permits showing to an audience is required.This is false.
There is an explicit exemption for use of videos in the classroom.
From 17 USC 110 (1) [copyright.gov]:(1) performance or display of a work by instructors or pupils in the course of face-to-face teaching activities of a nonprofit educational institution, in a classroom or similar place devoted to instruction, unless, in the case of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, the performance, or the display of individual images, is given by means of a copy that was not lawfully made under this title, and that the person responsible for the performance knew or had reason to believe was not lawfully made;However, this does not cover posting videos online, like UCLA was doing.
IIRC (can't find a link right now), there have been cases where schools tried to include videos in distance learning classes, and the judge ruled that it was not fair use.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31045326</id>
	<title>A Shame That UCLA Won't Contest This</title>
	<author>ArizonaJer</author>
	<datestamp>1265469480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find it a shame that UCLA won't contest this attack on fair use, because the fair-use defense <i>desperately</i> needs some clarification in the context of copyrighted video being used in an educational context.
<p>
For cinema professors, it's essential that they be able to provide their primary texts (i.e., films) to students. Over the past 15-20 years, it's become clear that it is fair use for cinema educators to use film <i>stills</i> in PowerPoint slide shows, course Web sites, and textbooks. See, for example, Bordwell and Thompson's <i>Film Art</i>. Initially, however, copyright holders objected to this use of stills, wrongly claimed that it was not fair use, and demanded payment. Despite this resistance, fair-use of stills has become standard practice.
</p><p>
Unfortunately, there is no similar standard for fair use of <i>moving</i> images. And, because UCLA is <i>not</i> using fair use to defend the posting of (copyrighted) video in a password-protected online system open only to students, an important opportunity to set precedent has been lost.
</p><p>
The result will be chilling. If freakin' UCLA cannot defend the fair-use posting of videos, then what chance does the average state university or small private college have?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it a shame that UCLA wo n't contest this attack on fair use , because the fair-use defense desperately needs some clarification in the context of copyrighted video being used in an educational context .
For cinema professors , it 's essential that they be able to provide their primary texts ( i.e. , films ) to students .
Over the past 15-20 years , it 's become clear that it is fair use for cinema educators to use film stills in PowerPoint slide shows , course Web sites , and textbooks .
See , for example , Bordwell and Thompson 's Film Art .
Initially , however , copyright holders objected to this use of stills , wrongly claimed that it was not fair use , and demanded payment .
Despite this resistance , fair-use of stills has become standard practice .
Unfortunately , there is no similar standard for fair use of moving images .
And , because UCLA is not using fair use to defend the posting of ( copyrighted ) video in a password-protected online system open only to students , an important opportunity to set precedent has been lost .
The result will be chilling .
If freakin ' UCLA can not defend the fair-use posting of videos , then what chance does the average state university or small private college have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it a shame that UCLA won't contest this attack on fair use, because the fair-use defense desperately needs some clarification in the context of copyrighted video being used in an educational context.
For cinema professors, it's essential that they be able to provide their primary texts (i.e., films) to students.
Over the past 15-20 years, it's become clear that it is fair use for cinema educators to use film stills in PowerPoint slide shows, course Web sites, and textbooks.
See, for example, Bordwell and Thompson's Film Art.
Initially, however, copyright holders objected to this use of stills, wrongly claimed that it was not fair use, and demanded payment.
Despite this resistance, fair-use of stills has become standard practice.
Unfortunately, there is no similar standard for fair use of moving images.
And, because UCLA is not using fair use to defend the posting of (copyrighted) video in a password-protected online system open only to students, an important opportunity to set precedent has been lost.
The result will be chilling.
If freakin' UCLA cannot defend the fair-use posting of videos, then what chance does the average state university or small private college have?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31038470</id>
	<title>They're not showing them to everyone...</title>
	<author>Xenographic</author>
	<datestamp>1265403480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; No problem, I'll just put the movie up on the class website." It's not exactly shocking that someone objected to that.</p><p>Actually, it's still pretty unreasonable, because the videos on the class website are <a href="http://www.oid.ucla.edu/units/imlab/faq/vf/" title="ucla.edu">only available on campus</a> [ucla.edu] and not (easily) saved (unless you have a stream ripper for media furnace or something).  That link is in the submission, but it seems like people are busy pointing out that the videos in question are commercial videos that are class assignments (rather than videos of lectures) while ignoring the fact that they're not just distributing these videos to all and sundry.  They're only letting students watch them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; No problem , I 'll just put the movie up on the class website .
" It 's not exactly shocking that someone objected to that.Actually , it 's still pretty unreasonable , because the videos on the class website are only available on campus [ ucla.edu ] and not ( easily ) saved ( unless you have a stream ripper for media furnace or something ) .
That link is in the submission , but it seems like people are busy pointing out that the videos in question are commercial videos that are class assignments ( rather than videos of lectures ) while ignoring the fact that they 're not just distributing these videos to all and sundry .
They 're only letting students watch them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; No problem, I'll just put the movie up on the class website.
" It's not exactly shocking that someone objected to that.Actually, it's still pretty unreasonable, because the videos on the class website are only available on campus [ucla.edu] and not (easily) saved (unless you have a stream ripper for media furnace or something).
That link is in the submission, but it seems like people are busy pointing out that the videos in question are commercial videos that are class assignments (rather than videos of lectures) while ignoring the fact that they're not just distributing these videos to all and sundry.
They're only letting students watch them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034466</id>
	<title>Remote Access?</title>
	<author>VoiceInTheDesert</author>
	<datestamp>1265385360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldnt this be solved by simply allowing some sort of remote, vpn-type thing so that only students can access the videos (but the videos/vieo files still physically remain on campus)?

Files don't have to be "online" to be remotely accessible and it seems to be the internet part that the copyright people object to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Couldnt this be solved by simply allowing some sort of remote , vpn-type thing so that only students can access the videos ( but the videos/vieo files still physically remain on campus ) ?
Files do n't have to be " online " to be remotely accessible and it seems to be the internet part that the copyright people object to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldnt this be solved by simply allowing some sort of remote, vpn-type thing so that only students can access the videos (but the videos/vieo files still physically remain on campus)?
Files don't have to be "online" to be remotely accessible and it seems to be the internet part that the copyright people object to.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034778</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Z00L00K</author>
	<datestamp>1265387280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And then - people are surprised that the quality of education is getting worse.</p><p>The copyright and patent issues seems to put a blanket over everything, so soon is the western world going down the drain while countries where copyright and patents are weak will outpace the western world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And then - people are surprised that the quality of education is getting worse.The copyright and patent issues seems to put a blanket over everything , so soon is the western world going down the drain while countries where copyright and patents are weak will outpace the western world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And then - people are surprised that the quality of education is getting worse.The copyright and patent issues seems to put a blanket over everything, so soon is the western world going down the drain while countries where copyright and patents are weak will outpace the western world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034754</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>reg106</author>
	<datestamp>1265387100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary is *very* confusing.  In fact, TFA is very confusing.  From the first few paragraphs, it is easy to misinterpret the videos in question to be recordings of lectures, but that is not the case.  After reading the whole article, it is clear that the courses under consideration require students to view movies, produced by some external content-provider, outside of the class.  They watch the *whole* movie, not just a part, so educational use alone isn't enough to trigger fair use.  (Otherwise we'd all just use photocopied textbooks)<br> <br>

When you buy a DVD, it has an implicit license to the conditions under which you can watch it (That FBI warning at the beginning indicating you can't show it to a large audience).  To comply with copyright law, an "instructional" DVD which permits showing to an audience is required.  I am only aware of this because our design course shows the <a href="http://abcnewsstore.go.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DSIProductDisplay?catalogId=11002&amp;storeId=20051&amp;productId=2001230&amp;langId=-1&amp;categoryId=100015" title="go.com">Nightline "Deep Dive" video</a> [go.com].  If you look at the educational version (checkbox), it allows you to show to a group, but NOT to stream it.  In order to stream the content, a difference license for the video would be required.  I'm not sure how to get such a license right now, and this will be inconvenient for a few semesters worth of Bruins, but as demand for streamed instruction content grows, I'm sure viable licensing options will arise (as we have seen for music and popular video content).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is * very * confusing .
In fact , TFA is very confusing .
From the first few paragraphs , it is easy to misinterpret the videos in question to be recordings of lectures , but that is not the case .
After reading the whole article , it is clear that the courses under consideration require students to view movies , produced by some external content-provider , outside of the class .
They watch the * whole * movie , not just a part , so educational use alone is n't enough to trigger fair use .
( Otherwise we 'd all just use photocopied textbooks ) When you buy a DVD , it has an implicit license to the conditions under which you can watch it ( That FBI warning at the beginning indicating you ca n't show it to a large audience ) .
To comply with copyright law , an " instructional " DVD which permits showing to an audience is required .
I am only aware of this because our design course shows the Nightline " Deep Dive " video [ go.com ] .
If you look at the educational version ( checkbox ) , it allows you to show to a group , but NOT to stream it .
In order to stream the content , a difference license for the video would be required .
I 'm not sure how to get such a license right now , and this will be inconvenient for a few semesters worth of Bruins , but as demand for streamed instruction content grows , I 'm sure viable licensing options will arise ( as we have seen for music and popular video content ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is *very* confusing.
In fact, TFA is very confusing.
From the first few paragraphs, it is easy to misinterpret the videos in question to be recordings of lectures, but that is not the case.
After reading the whole article, it is clear that the courses under consideration require students to view movies, produced by some external content-provider, outside of the class.
They watch the *whole* movie, not just a part, so educational use alone isn't enough to trigger fair use.
(Otherwise we'd all just use photocopied textbooks) 

When you buy a DVD, it has an implicit license to the conditions under which you can watch it (That FBI warning at the beginning indicating you can't show it to a large audience).
To comply with copyright law, an "instructional" DVD which permits showing to an audience is required.
I am only aware of this because our design course shows the Nightline "Deep Dive" video [go.com].
If you look at the educational version (checkbox), it allows you to show to a group, but NOT to stream it.
In order to stream the content, a difference license for the video would be required.
I'm not sure how to get such a license right now, and this will be inconvenient for a few semesters worth of Bruins, but as demand for streamed instruction content grows, I'm sure viable licensing options will arise (as we have seen for music and popular video content).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035290</id>
	<title>college executives are notorious wimps</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1265389920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For giving way to small amounts of pressure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For giving way to small amounts of pressure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For giving way to small amounts of pressure.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034590</id>
	<title>Re:Actually *attend* the lectures?</title>
	<author>justinlee37</author>
	<datestamp>1265386020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a job at my university operating a remote-control set of cameras to record professors teaching their classes. We then upload the videos online for students to watch. Times do change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a job at my university operating a remote-control set of cameras to record professors teaching their classes .
We then upload the videos online for students to watch .
Times do change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a job at my university operating a remote-control set of cameras to record professors teaching their classes.
We then upload the videos online for students to watch.
Times do change.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034456</id>
	<title>Videos?  In college?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265385300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What sort of videos are we talking about?  The only videos I've ever watched in an educational setting were pointless time wasters intended to give the teacher a break.  If that's what we're talking about, they have a point.  But there's really no loss as they're a waste of time anyway.</p><p>If we're talking about video recording of lectures given by professors, then the professors should have the copyright and should be able to distribute them any way they want.  This would be far more useful than some generic educational video anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What sort of videos are we talking about ?
The only videos I 've ever watched in an educational setting were pointless time wasters intended to give the teacher a break .
If that 's what we 're talking about , they have a point .
But there 's really no loss as they 're a waste of time anyway.If we 're talking about video recording of lectures given by professors , then the professors should have the copyright and should be able to distribute them any way they want .
This would be far more useful than some generic educational video anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What sort of videos are we talking about?
The only videos I've ever watched in an educational setting were pointless time wasters intended to give the teacher a break.
If that's what we're talking about, they have a point.
But there's really no loss as they're a waste of time anyway.If we're talking about video recording of lectures given by professors, then the professors should have the copyright and should be able to distribute them any way they want.
This would be far more useful than some generic educational video anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31036562</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265395080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from what i've seen, uni's get such a deep discount on software that i doubt their loss of business is much of a threat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>from what i 've seen , uni 's get such a deep discount on software that i doubt their loss of business is much of a threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from what i've seen, uni's get such a deep discount on software that i doubt their loss of business is much of a threat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31039492</id>
	<title>the Chronicle of Higher Education</title>
	<author>q2a</author>
	<datestamp>1265364840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, on 2/2 the Chronicle lit this power-keg;
<br> <br>
<a href="http://chronicle.com/blogPost/University-Pulls-Videos-From/21013/" title="chronicle.com" rel="nofollow">http://chronicle.com/blogPost/University-Pulls-Videos-From/21013/</a> [chronicle.com]
<br> <br>
UCLA had been using "Video Furnace" to provide video content in the context of courses (integrated with UCLA Moodle as well), and has recently suspended this based on a challenge from AIME.  The article gives a little more background.
<br> <br>
IANAL but I am a Graduate student at UCLA and anytime a company wants "protection" money for something my PUBLIC University already paid for AND am using under fair-use laws, I scream Soprano.
<br> <br>
Paying for protection?? Isn't that mob turf?<br>
Oh well..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , on 2/2 the Chronicle lit this power-keg ; http : //chronicle.com/blogPost/University-Pulls-Videos-From/21013/ [ chronicle.com ] UCLA had been using " Video Furnace " to provide video content in the context of courses ( integrated with UCLA Moodle as well ) , and has recently suspended this based on a challenge from AIME .
The article gives a little more background .
IANAL but I am a Graduate student at UCLA and anytime a company wants " protection " money for something my PUBLIC University already paid for AND am using under fair-use laws , I scream Soprano .
Paying for protection ? ?
Is n't that mob turf ?
Oh well. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, on 2/2 the Chronicle lit this power-keg;
 
http://chronicle.com/blogPost/University-Pulls-Videos-From/21013/ [chronicle.com]
 
UCLA had been using "Video Furnace" to provide video content in the context of courses (integrated with UCLA Moodle as well), and has recently suspended this based on a challenge from AIME.
The article gives a little more background.
IANAL but I am a Graduate student at UCLA and anytime a company wants "protection" money for something my PUBLIC University already paid for AND am using under fair-use laws, I scream Soprano.
Paying for protection??
Isn't that mob turf?
Oh well..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31036070</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265393040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The professors don't do licensing so they didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong.</p></div><p>You're confusing things. You should have said:<br><i>The professors don't understand licensing, so they didn't understand that what they were doing violated license agreements.</i><br>and separately:<br><i>The professors didn't understand what they were doing was wrong, because they weren't doing anything wrong.</i></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The professors do n't do licensing so they did n't understand that what they were doing was wrong.You 're confusing things .
You should have said : The professors do n't understand licensing , so they did n't understand that what they were doing violated license agreements.and separately : The professors did n't understand what they were doing was wrong , because they were n't doing anything wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The professors don't do licensing so they didn't understand that what they were doing was wrong.You're confusing things.
You should have said:The professors don't understand licensing, so they didn't understand that what they were doing violated license agreements.and separately:The professors didn't understand what they were doing was wrong, because they weren't doing anything wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31044072</id>
	<title>can you see the little piggies...</title>
	<author>twoHats</author>
	<datestamp>1265448180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>oink oink squeel...</htmltext>
<tokenext>oink oink squeel.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oink oink squeel...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31043568</id>
	<title>Oh fuck them....</title>
	<author>dogzdik</author>
	<datestamp>1265395380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This fucking copyright nazi-ism is just getting out of fucking hand.....


Oh OH OH OH OH<nobr> <wbr></nobr>......

I told my friend what I recalled about a story I read in a newspaper....

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NOOOOOOOOO

Copyright infringment.

Fuck off............</htmltext>
<tokenext>This fucking copyright nazi-ism is just getting out of fucking hand.... . Oh OH OH OH OH ..... . I told my friend what I recalled about a story I read in a newspaper... . Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NOOOOOOOOO Copyright infringment .
Fuck off........... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This fucking copyright nazi-ism is just getting out of fucking hand.....


Oh OH OH OH OH ......

I told my friend what I recalled about a story I read in a newspaper....

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh NOOOOOOOOO

Copyright infringment.
Fuck off............</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034310</id>
	<title>Torrent it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265384580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hur durr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hur durr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hur durr</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31039702</id>
	<title>Re:Open IML on the weekends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265365860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is simply no money at UCLA to keep the IML open on weekends. For the first quarter of this year, the entire undergraduate library was closed on weekends and very early (about 10pm) during the week. In previous years the library was kept open 24 hours. The library has mostly resumed its old hours, staying open Sunday through Friday 24 hours and closed Saturday, but only because we received a huge donation from an anonymous donor. Unless we can convince that donor to pony up some more cash, the IML will remain closed on the weekends. The hours of the IML have recently been shortened during the week as well, so it now closes at 5pm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is simply no money at UCLA to keep the IML open on weekends .
For the first quarter of this year , the entire undergraduate library was closed on weekends and very early ( about 10pm ) during the week .
In previous years the library was kept open 24 hours .
The library has mostly resumed its old hours , staying open Sunday through Friday 24 hours and closed Saturday , but only because we received a huge donation from an anonymous donor .
Unless we can convince that donor to pony up some more cash , the IML will remain closed on the weekends .
The hours of the IML have recently been shortened during the week as well , so it now closes at 5pm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is simply no money at UCLA to keep the IML open on weekends.
For the first quarter of this year, the entire undergraduate library was closed on weekends and very early (about 10pm) during the week.
In previous years the library was kept open 24 hours.
The library has mostly resumed its old hours, staying open Sunday through Friday 24 hours and closed Saturday, but only because we received a huge donation from an anonymous donor.
Unless we can convince that donor to pony up some more cash, the IML will remain closed on the weekends.
The hours of the IML have recently been shortened during the week as well, so it now closes at 5pm.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31038422</id>
	<title>Re:To promote the Progress of Science and useful A</title>
	<author>JNSL</author>
	<datestamp>1265403300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Promote" in the sense you want to use it is shortsighted. Copyright promotes science and art by incentivizing authors to create/author works by providing economic reason to justify competing. If you imagine, 'how can we do the most with what we got' as some kind of promotion, you're losing sight of how to get there in the first place, and how to incentivize people to share too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Promote " in the sense you want to use it is shortsighted .
Copyright promotes science and art by incentivizing authors to create/author works by providing economic reason to justify competing .
If you imagine , 'how can we do the most with what we got ' as some kind of promotion , you 're losing sight of how to get there in the first place , and how to incentivize people to share too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Promote" in the sense you want to use it is shortsighted.
Copyright promotes science and art by incentivizing authors to create/author works by providing economic reason to justify competing.
If you imagine, 'how can we do the most with what we got' as some kind of promotion, you're losing sight of how to get there in the first place, and how to incentivize people to share too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034654</id>
	<title>Open IML on the weekends</title>
	<author>ktappe</author>
	<datestamp>1265386440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the profs feel that strongly, then they need to vociferously make it clear to the administration that no action comes without a consequence. Specifically, demand the IML be open on weekends. UCLA probably instituted the ban to save money on legal fees and/or licensing but now need to be made to pay to open the IML at hours the students can use it. TANSTAAFL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the profs feel that strongly , then they need to vociferously make it clear to the administration that no action comes without a consequence .
Specifically , demand the IML be open on weekends .
UCLA probably instituted the ban to save money on legal fees and/or licensing but now need to be made to pay to open the IML at hours the students can use it .
TANSTAAFL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the profs feel that strongly, then they need to vociferously make it clear to the administration that no action comes without a consequence.
Specifically, demand the IML be open on weekends.
UCLA probably instituted the ban to save money on legal fees and/or licensing but now need to be made to pay to open the IML at hours the students can use it.
TANSTAAFL.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31034518</id>
	<title>Re:Actually *attend* the lectures?</title>
	<author>XxtraLarGe</author>
	<datestamp>1265385600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When I was at university, we had to go to the lectures in person - not wait for them to come out on video. How times change.</p></div><p>I'm sure these aren't the lectures, or else there wouldn't be an intellectual property issue. Then there's the issue of online classes. I work in distance education, and have to put a lot of video in classes, because students don't attend a lecture. We embed them in our course management system (Moodle), so they're only accessible to our students, not just out in the wild.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was at university , we had to go to the lectures in person - not wait for them to come out on video .
How times change.I 'm sure these are n't the lectures , or else there would n't be an intellectual property issue .
Then there 's the issue of online classes .
I work in distance education , and have to put a lot of video in classes , because students do n't attend a lecture .
We embed them in our course management system ( Moodle ) , so they 're only accessible to our students , not just out in the wild .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was at university, we had to go to the lectures in person - not wait for them to come out on video.
How times change.I'm sure these aren't the lectures, or else there wouldn't be an intellectual property issue.
Then there's the issue of online classes.
I work in distance education, and have to put a lot of video in classes, because students don't attend a lecture.
We embed them in our course management system (Moodle), so they're only accessible to our students, not just out in the wild.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31044390</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>rastoboy29</author>
	<datestamp>1265454720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I misread that, too.&nbsp; It was not the ACLU that backed down, but UCLA.<br><br>So they are still spineless and undedicated to the ideas that they should be championing in our society.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I misread that , too.   It was not the ACLU that backed down , but UCLA.So they are still spineless and undedicated to the ideas that they should be championing in our society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I misread that, too.  It was not the ACLU that backed down, but UCLA.So they are still spineless and undedicated to the ideas that they should be championing in our society.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035760</id>
	<title>Re:Summary Is Confusing or Erroneous</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1265391960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The ACLU backed down because, well, the university is probably violating its licensing agreement with Video Furnace</p></div><p>Frankly, I don't know why the american civil liberties union was sticking their nose into the University of California at Los Angeles' business anyway.  I'm guessing they got the acronyms mixed up, which must have been very embarrassing for them at court.</p><p>"Your honor, the ACLU feels it's use of video in online courses not only is a fair use, but also we don't even offer courses, nor do we put videos up for said nonexistent courses, so we ask you to dismiss the case."</p><p>"Uh, this was a case against UCLA, not the ACLU"</p><p>"... We knew that.  Just wanted to point out we're not using video.  I'll show myself out."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ACLU backed down because , well , the university is probably violating its licensing agreement with Video FurnaceFrankly , I do n't know why the american civil liberties union was sticking their nose into the University of California at Los Angeles ' business anyway .
I 'm guessing they got the acronyms mixed up , which must have been very embarrassing for them at court .
" Your honor , the ACLU feels it 's use of video in online courses not only is a fair use , but also we do n't even offer courses , nor do we put videos up for said nonexistent courses , so we ask you to dismiss the case .
" " Uh , this was a case against UCLA , not the ACLU " " ... We knew that .
Just wanted to point out we 're not using video .
I 'll show myself out .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ACLU backed down because, well, the university is probably violating its licensing agreement with Video FurnaceFrankly, I don't know why the american civil liberties union was sticking their nose into the University of California at Los Angeles' business anyway.
I'm guessing they got the acronyms mixed up, which must have been very embarrassing for them at court.
"Your honor, the ACLU feels it's use of video in online courses not only is a fair use, but also we don't even offer courses, nor do we put videos up for said nonexistent courses, so we ask you to dismiss the case.
""Uh, this was a case against UCLA, not the ACLU""... We knew that.
Just wanted to point out we're not using video.
I'll show myself out.
"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31059978</id>
	<title>Re:To promote the Progress of Science and useful A</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1265640540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mmm hmm.  As we all know, before copy rights, nobody ever said, sang or wrote anything down for fear that their work would simply be stolen from them without recompense.  It's a miracle that we ever developed fire without a robust system of intellectual property.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mmm hmm .
As we all know , before copy rights , nobody ever said , sang or wrote anything down for fear that their work would simply be stolen from them without recompense .
It 's a miracle that we ever developed fire without a robust system of intellectual property .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mmm hmm.
As we all know, before copy rights, nobody ever said, sang or wrote anything down for fear that their work would simply be stolen from them without recompense.
It's a miracle that we ever developed fire without a robust system of intellectual property.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_05_1357248.31035230</id>
	<title>Watch it .. Copy it .. Enjoy ..</title>
	<author>lorg</author>
	<datestamp>1265389620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something tells me that a UCLA student knows how to make a duplicate of a video<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>1. Go to lab.<br>2. Make copy of video to watch whenever you want. If you can watch it, you can copy it.<br>(3. profit? oh wait that would be wrong and illegal<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... unless knowledge is its own reward or perhaps knowing to much is illegal to)</p><p>Slightly more work then just straight to home streaming but a minor hickup in the grand scheme of things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something tells me that a UCLA student knows how to make a duplicate of a video ...1 .
Go to lab.2 .
Make copy of video to watch whenever you want .
If you can watch it , you can copy it. ( 3 .
profit ? oh wait that would be wrong and illegal ... unless knowledge is its own reward or perhaps knowing to much is illegal to ) Slightly more work then just straight to home streaming but a minor hickup in the grand scheme of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something tells me that a UCLA student knows how to make a duplicate of a video ...1.
Go to lab.2.
Make copy of video to watch whenever you want.
If you can watch it, you can copy it.(3.
profit? oh wait that would be wrong and illegal ... unless knowledge is its own reward or perhaps knowing to much is illegal to)Slightly more work then just straight to home streaming but a minor hickup in the grand scheme of things.</sentencetext>
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