<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_04_2032209</id>
	<title>Symbian Completes Transition To Open Source</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265274720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Grond writes <i>"Symbian, maker of the the world's most popular mobile operating system, has completed the transition to a completely open platform months ahead of schedule.  While the kernel was opened up last year, <a href="http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Platform\_Opening">the entire platform is now open source</a>, primarily under the Eclipse Public License.  A <a href="http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Platform\_Opening/FAQ">FAQ</a> is available with more information about the platform opening."</i>

Adds an anonymous reader, linking to <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2358786,00.asp">PC Magazine's story on the transition</a>: <i>"By putting Symbian fully in the public domain, the Symbian Foundation is pitting it against Google's Android. Symbian is well known across most of the world, but it's mostly a foreign curiosity in the US, AT&amp;T is the only carrier that currently has a symbian phone in its lineup, the Nokia E71x."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Grond writes " Symbian , maker of the the world 's most popular mobile operating system , has completed the transition to a completely open platform months ahead of schedule .
While the kernel was opened up last year , the entire platform is now open source , primarily under the Eclipse Public License .
A FAQ is available with more information about the platform opening .
" Adds an anonymous reader , linking to PC Magazine 's story on the transition : " By putting Symbian fully in the public domain , the Symbian Foundation is pitting it against Google 's Android .
Symbian is well known across most of the world , but it 's mostly a foreign curiosity in the US , AT&amp;T is the only carrier that currently has a symbian phone in its lineup , the Nokia E71x .
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<sentencetext>Grond writes "Symbian, maker of the the world's most popular mobile operating system, has completed the transition to a completely open platform months ahead of schedule.
While the kernel was opened up last year, the entire platform is now open source, primarily under the Eclipse Public License.
A FAQ is available with more information about the platform opening.
"

Adds an anonymous reader, linking to PC Magazine's story on the transition: "By putting Symbian fully in the public domain, the Symbian Foundation is pitting it against Google's Android.
Symbian is well known across most of the world, but it's mostly a foreign curiosity in the US, AT&amp;T is the only carrier that currently has a symbian phone in its lineup, the Nokia E71x.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31032736</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian is a dead end.</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1265367180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Both Maemo and Symbian will rely on Qt for their UI and main API in next major versions, they will be quite close probably; with Maemo reserved for top of the line devices and Symbian pushed more and more into mainstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Maemo and Symbian will rely on Qt for their UI and main API in next major versions , they will be quite close probably ; with Maemo reserved for top of the line devices and Symbian pushed more and more into mainstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Maemo and Symbian will rely on Qt for their UI and main API in next major versions, they will be quite close probably; with Maemo reserved for top of the line devices and Symbian pushed more and more into mainstream.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028398</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029344</id>
	<title>Re:Not unknown - its time came and went.</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265290860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, a 7 year old phone isn't very good by today's standards, you say?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , a 7 year old phone is n't very good by today 's standards , you say ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, a 7 year old phone isn't very good by today's standards, you say?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028158</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027362</id>
	<title>Too little, too late</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1265279640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android has the advantage of support from many hardware makers.</p><p>Apple has the advantage of making very specific hardware with a very modern phoneOS (not to imply Android is also not a modern OS and API).</p><p>Nokia has a huge range of phones, and at this point the Symbian OS and API is very dated, and not nearly as capable or easy to use.  Nokia will be forced to adopt Android shortly I think (year or two).</p><p>There's only room for one other player I think, but I'm pretty sure it's Windows Mobile (though force of will) or PalmOS (if Microsoft or Nokia buys them, though perhaps they can still stick it out on their own).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android has the advantage of support from many hardware makers.Apple has the advantage of making very specific hardware with a very modern phoneOS ( not to imply Android is also not a modern OS and API ) .Nokia has a huge range of phones , and at this point the Symbian OS and API is very dated , and not nearly as capable or easy to use .
Nokia will be forced to adopt Android shortly I think ( year or two ) .There 's only room for one other player I think , but I 'm pretty sure it 's Windows Mobile ( though force of will ) or PalmOS ( if Microsoft or Nokia buys them , though perhaps they can still stick it out on their own ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android has the advantage of support from many hardware makers.Apple has the advantage of making very specific hardware with a very modern phoneOS (not to imply Android is also not a modern OS and API).Nokia has a huge range of phones, and at this point the Symbian OS and API is very dated, and not nearly as capable or easy to use.
Nokia will be forced to adopt Android shortly I think (year or two).There's only room for one other player I think, but I'm pretty sure it's Windows Mobile (though force of will) or PalmOS (if Microsoft or Nokia buys them, though perhaps they can still stick it out on their own).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027570</id>
	<title>Nokia moving to Open Source?</title>
	<author>Myion</author>
	<datestamp>1265280900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems that Nokia is positively moving towards oss lately. I certainly did not expect Nokia to be first to ship smartphones with a very compatible Linux distribution and root access out of the box.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that Nokia is positively moving towards oss lately .
I certainly did not expect Nokia to be first to ship smartphones with a very compatible Linux distribution and root access out of the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that Nokia is positively moving towards oss lately.
I certainly did not expect Nokia to be first to ship smartphones with a very compatible Linux distribution and root access out of the box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028102</id>
	<title>Hyperbole Fanboys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265283660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"getting killed by Apple"</p><p>It's amazing how much Apple fanboys love to use hyperboles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" getting killed by Apple " It 's amazing how much Apple fanboys love to use hyperboles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"getting killed by Apple"It's amazing how much Apple fanboys love to use hyperboles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027564</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027712</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T's other phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265281740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And another data point: T-Mobile has the 5130, another S40 phone. So even the "only AT&amp;T has any Symbian phones" part is wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And another data point : T-Mobile has the 5130 , another S40 phone .
So even the " only AT&amp;T has any Symbian phones " part is wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And another data point: T-Mobile has the 5130, another S40 phone.
So even the "only AT&amp;T has any Symbian phones" part is wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027274</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029310</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265290620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Feature phones will be gone by the time anyone does anything with this.</i></p><p>I'm not sure how you mean - there is no strict line between "feature" and "smart" phone, instead the terms are just used to distinguished between low and high end phones. Are you seriously suggesting that low end phones are going to disappear? I don't think so.</p><p><i>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going </i></p><p>I'm not sure what you mean by "iPhone form factor". If you mean the candy-bar form with a full size touchscreen, then it's pretty much taken over, even among "feature" phones now.</p><p><i>Fixing Symbian to be modern should have happened a long time ago if at all.</i></p><p>What? Symbian is modern. This is about open sourcing it.</p><p><i>These hardware companies are getting killed by Apple because Apple is a software company.</i></p><p>*snort* Come back to me when you've checked the actual market figures. Here's a hint - Nokia are top with 39\%, Apple are last after just about everyone else (except maybe Google), with a few per cent.</p><p>[snip opinion and assertions]</p><p>If you're happy with that level of debate, then "No you're wrong, my Nokia is much better than Apple blah blah".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feature phones will be gone by the time anyone does anything with this.I 'm not sure how you mean - there is no strict line between " feature " and " smart " phone , instead the terms are just used to distinguished between low and high end phones .
Are you seriously suggesting that low end phones are going to disappear ?
I do n't think so.The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going I 'm not sure what you mean by " iPhone form factor " .
If you mean the candy-bar form with a full size touchscreen , then it 's pretty much taken over , even among " feature " phones now.Fixing Symbian to be modern should have happened a long time ago if at all.What ?
Symbian is modern .
This is about open sourcing it.These hardware companies are getting killed by Apple because Apple is a software company .
* snort * Come back to me when you 've checked the actual market figures .
Here 's a hint - Nokia are top with 39 \ % , Apple are last after just about everyone else ( except maybe Google ) , with a few per cent .
[ snip opinion and assertions ] If you 're happy with that level of debate , then " No you 're wrong , my Nokia is much better than Apple blah blah " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feature phones will be gone by the time anyone does anything with this.I'm not sure how you mean - there is no strict line between "feature" and "smart" phone, instead the terms are just used to distinguished between low and high end phones.
Are you seriously suggesting that low end phones are going to disappear?
I don't think so.The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going I'm not sure what you mean by "iPhone form factor".
If you mean the candy-bar form with a full size touchscreen, then it's pretty much taken over, even among "feature" phones now.Fixing Symbian to be modern should have happened a long time ago if at all.What?
Symbian is modern.
This is about open sourcing it.These hardware companies are getting killed by Apple because Apple is a software company.
*snort* Come back to me when you've checked the actual market figures.
Here's a hint - Nokia are top with 39\%, Apple are last after just about everyone else (except maybe Google), with a few per cent.
[snip opinion and assertions]If you're happy with that level of debate, then "No you're wrong, my Nokia is much better than Apple blah blah".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027436</id>
	<title>I always want to read that as "Sybian"</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1265280180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally blame the Internet and rule 34.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally blame the Internet and rule 34 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally blame the Internet and rule 34.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027814</id>
	<title>Can we fix up their code now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265282160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... Does this mean we can go in and fix their bluetooth drivers? Especially for communications with older model car kits?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... Does this mean we can go in and fix their bluetooth drivers ?
Especially for communications with older model car kits ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... Does this mean we can go in and fix their bluetooth drivers?
Especially for communications with older model car kits?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31059486</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Aashi84</author>
	<datestamp>1265632020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's only good for phone manufacturers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's only good for phone manufacturers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's only good for phone manufacturers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027156</id>
	<title>"By putting Symbian fully in the public domain"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265278680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except they didn't, in any sense of the term, put it in the public domain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they did n't , in any sense of the term , put it in the public domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they didn't, in any sense of the term, put it in the public domain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027268</id>
	<title>Re:Still need signed apps though don't I</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1265279160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should have apps signed in your Windows PC too. Even in open source world, apps are "signed" (or at least, the deb/rpm packages are) by the distribution/repository. The requirements to have certain apps signed could be good or bad, but signing by itself should not be seen as something bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should have apps signed in your Windows PC too .
Even in open source world , apps are " signed " ( or at least , the deb/rpm packages are ) by the distribution/repository .
The requirements to have certain apps signed could be good or bad , but signing by itself should not be seen as something bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should have apps signed in your Windows PC too.
Even in open source world, apps are "signed" (or at least, the deb/rpm packages are) by the distribution/repository.
The requirements to have certain apps signed could be good or bad, but signing by itself should not be seen as something bad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027174</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31030538</id>
	<title>Re:And yet...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265300280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nothing stopping a community port.<br>hell posix threads are already supported in symbian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nothing stopping a community port.hell posix threads are already supported in symbian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nothing stopping a community port.hell posix threads are already supported in symbian.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027696</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028158</id>
	<title>Not unknown - its time came and went.</title>
	<author>Shag</author>
	<datestamp>1265283960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Symbian is well known across most of the world, but it's mostly a foreign curiosity in the US. AT&amp;T is the only carrier that currently has a symbian phone in its lineup, the Nokia E71x.</i></p> </div><p>There've been Symbian phones in the US for at least 7 years now - I had a Nokia 3650 back in the early days.  And back then, compared to what else was out there, it was pretty cool.  Compared to what's out there <i>now</i>?  Not so much.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Symbian is well known across most of the world , but it 's mostly a foreign curiosity in the US .
AT&amp;T is the only carrier that currently has a symbian phone in its lineup , the Nokia E71x .
There 've been Symbian phones in the US for at least 7 years now - I had a Nokia 3650 back in the early days .
And back then , compared to what else was out there , it was pretty cool .
Compared to what 's out there now ?
Not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Symbian is well known across most of the world, but it's mostly a foreign curiosity in the US.
AT&amp;T is the only carrier that currently has a symbian phone in its lineup, the Nokia E71x.
There've been Symbian phones in the US for at least 7 years now - I had a Nokia 3650 back in the early days.
And back then, compared to what else was out there, it was pretty cool.
Compared to what's out there now?
Not so much.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027402</id>
	<title>who else read that as "sybian"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cuz i sure did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cuz i sure did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cuz i sure did.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029166</id>
	<title>Re:Too little, too late</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265289720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia make specific hardware with a very modern phoneOS. My 5800 does things the Iphone can't do, and at a fraction of the price - hell, even my old Motorola V980 could! And it's easy to use. Maybe there are some things an Apple phone does that no Nokia phone does, but the reverse is also true.</p><p>If you reply, let's have evidence and specific examples of how the Iphone is better than all other phones; not simply assertions that the Iphone is the Best Ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia make specific hardware with a very modern phoneOS .
My 5800 does things the Iphone ca n't do , and at a fraction of the price - hell , even my old Motorola V980 could !
And it 's easy to use .
Maybe there are some things an Apple phone does that no Nokia phone does , but the reverse is also true.If you reply , let 's have evidence and specific examples of how the Iphone is better than all other phones ; not simply assertions that the Iphone is the Best Ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia make specific hardware with a very modern phoneOS.
My 5800 does things the Iphone can't do, and at a fraction of the price - hell, even my old Motorola V980 could!
And it's easy to use.
Maybe there are some things an Apple phone does that no Nokia phone does, but the reverse is also true.If you reply, let's have evidence and specific examples of how the Iphone is better than all other phones; not simply assertions that the Iphone is the Best Ever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027362</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028444</id>
	<title>Re:And yet...</title>
	<author>andydread</author>
	<datestamp>1265285520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure about that.  Take a look at <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938\_105-10444754-1.html" title="cnet.com">this</a> [cnet.com]  and there is <a href="http://gigaom.com/2010/02/03/with-mobile-firefox-buys-into-the-browser-and-scorns-apps/" title="gigaom.com">this</a> [gigaom.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure about that .
Take a look at this [ cnet.com ] and there is this [ gigaom.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure about that.
Take a look at this [cnet.com]  and there is this [gigaom.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027696</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029306</id>
	<title>The 1st epoc devices were 16bit and had 256kb</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1265290620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My current N97 has 128Mb of RAM and 30+Gb of storage on board.</p><p>It browses web pages fine, plays music, videos, sends video emails and calls, has gps and maps and it lasts up to 3 days on a battery charge.</p><p>The maemo  N900 has 256Mb of RAM, 600MHz CPU. As fast and powerful and as handy with Linux on board as it is, do you think the battery life is going to last 3 days?</p><p>If you want an embedded platform where the costs and specific performance criteria are important, e.g. making profit selling hardware, the OS requirements can make a huge difference to the bottom line. Developers... Well battery life is only important to their wives and storage comes in terabytes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My current N97 has 128Mb of RAM and 30 + Gb of storage on board.It browses web pages fine , plays music , videos , sends video emails and calls , has gps and maps and it lasts up to 3 days on a battery charge.The maemo N900 has 256Mb of RAM , 600MHz CPU .
As fast and powerful and as handy with Linux on board as it is , do you think the battery life is going to last 3 days ? If you want an embedded platform where the costs and specific performance criteria are important , e.g .
making profit selling hardware , the OS requirements can make a huge difference to the bottom line .
Developers... Well battery life is only important to their wives and storage comes in terabytes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My current N97 has 128Mb of RAM and 30+Gb of storage on board.It browses web pages fine, plays music, videos, sends video emails and calls, has gps and maps and it lasts up to 3 days on a battery charge.The maemo  N900 has 256Mb of RAM, 600MHz CPU.
As fast and powerful and as handy with Linux on board as it is, do you think the battery life is going to last 3 days?If you want an embedded platform where the costs and specific performance criteria are important, e.g.
making profit selling hardware, the OS requirements can make a huge difference to the bottom line.
Developers... Well battery life is only important to their wives and storage comes in terabytes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029132</id>
	<title>Well, speaking of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265289480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>URL says it all:</p><p><a href="http://www.slutload.com/watch/qgREWYjJQW/Sexy-girl-stuffs-cell-phone-up-her-pussy-WOW.html" title="slutload.com">http://www.slutload.com/watch/qgREWYjJQW/Sexy-girl-stuffs-cell-phone-up-her-pussy-WOW.html</a> [slutload.com]</p><p>Rule 34 indeed...</p><p>(obviously NSFW)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>URL says it all : http : //www.slutload.com/watch/qgREWYjJQW/Sexy-girl-stuffs-cell-phone-up-her-pussy-WOW.html [ slutload.com ] Rule 34 indeed... ( obviously NSFW )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>URL says it all:http://www.slutload.com/watch/qgREWYjJQW/Sexy-girl-stuffs-cell-phone-up-her-pussy-WOW.html [slutload.com]Rule 34 indeed...(obviously NSFW)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027710</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T's E71x</title>
	<author>mirix</author>
	<datestamp>1265281740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can definitely flash it to generic firmware, but you may need to use a fancy dongle (which uses something like JTAG, I presume) to do it, rather than usb/bootloaderish FW update. It depends on the phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can definitely flash it to generic firmware , but you may need to use a fancy dongle ( which uses something like JTAG , I presume ) to do it , rather than usb/bootloaderish FW update .
It depends on the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can definitely flash it to generic firmware, but you may need to use a fancy dongle (which uses something like JTAG, I presume) to do it, rather than usb/bootloaderish FW update.
It depends on the phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027654</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265281440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you're going to support the Web, you need Unix.</p></div><p>Uh, what?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The software community already gave Nokia free Unix, they should be building on top of that.</p> </div><p>They are. It's called Maemo, and it's on the N900. Unfortunately, not all parts of it are Free and Open.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're going to support the Web , you need Unix.Uh , what ? The software community already gave Nokia free Unix , they should be building on top of that .
They are .
It 's called Maemo , and it 's on the N900 .
Unfortunately , not all parts of it are Free and Open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're going to support the Web, you need Unix.Uh, what?The software community already gave Nokia free Unix, they should be building on top of that.
They are.
It's called Maemo, and it's on the N900.
Unfortunately, not all parts of it are Free and Open.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027486</id>
	<title>mod 3own</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>handy, you are free despiTe the</htmltext>
<tokenext>handy , you are free despiTe the</tokentext>
<sentencetext>handy, you are free despiTe the</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028026</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>the linux geek</author>
	<datestamp>1265283120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you seen Symbian's marketshare graphs lately? Just wondering. <br> <br>

By the way, it also works fine as a smartphone OS, judging by Nokia's many, many smartphones. And for those who it is insufficient for, Nokia also offers Maemo, which many consider to be the best smartphone operating system available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you seen Symbian 's marketshare graphs lately ?
Just wondering .
By the way , it also works fine as a smartphone OS , judging by Nokia 's many , many smartphones .
And for those who it is insufficient for , Nokia also offers Maemo , which many consider to be the best smartphone operating system available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you seen Symbian's marketshare graphs lately?
Just wondering.
By the way, it also works fine as a smartphone OS, judging by Nokia's many, many smartphones.
And for those who it is insufficient for, Nokia also offers Maemo, which many consider to be the best smartphone operating system available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31032336</id>
	<title>Theoretically building is the key</title>
	<author>LostMyBeaver</author>
	<datestamp>1265362020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Symbian has classicaly made use of the most complex build environment of any system. In the old days they lacked any GCC expertise so instead chose to "post process" elf files output by the compiler to hack them to work with their application loader which is more of a shared library loader than an application loader.<br><br>Things haven't improved over time. Their build environments and formats are still an utter disaster. Their hacks to Eclipse are half assed at best as well.<br><br>The only way Symbian will ever compete with Android is if the community works like the Netscape community did when it went open... rewrite the thing since it's pretty much crap from the bottom up.<br><br>Sometimes you can ship relatively good products even if they are built as a mountain of dung. The trick is to stick a pretty box around it. But if anyone ever takes enough interest in this OS when there are so many MUCH better alternatives out there, it's going to get rewritten if for consistency and modernization if nothing else.<br><br>Who the hell ever heard of an OS that DEMANDS you use a programming model like MVC (and a misinterpretation of it as well) just to write a hello world program. Coding for this thing is painful at best.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Symbian has classicaly made use of the most complex build environment of any system .
In the old days they lacked any GCC expertise so instead chose to " post process " elf files output by the compiler to hack them to work with their application loader which is more of a shared library loader than an application loader.Things have n't improved over time .
Their build environments and formats are still an utter disaster .
Their hacks to Eclipse are half assed at best as well.The only way Symbian will ever compete with Android is if the community works like the Netscape community did when it went open... rewrite the thing since it 's pretty much crap from the bottom up.Sometimes you can ship relatively good products even if they are built as a mountain of dung .
The trick is to stick a pretty box around it .
But if anyone ever takes enough interest in this OS when there are so many MUCH better alternatives out there , it 's going to get rewritten if for consistency and modernization if nothing else.Who the hell ever heard of an OS that DEMANDS you use a programming model like MVC ( and a misinterpretation of it as well ) just to write a hello world program .
Coding for this thing is painful at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Symbian has classicaly made use of the most complex build environment of any system.
In the old days they lacked any GCC expertise so instead chose to "post process" elf files output by the compiler to hack them to work with their application loader which is more of a shared library loader than an application loader.Things haven't improved over time.
Their build environments and formats are still an utter disaster.
Their hacks to Eclipse are half assed at best as well.The only way Symbian will ever compete with Android is if the community works like the Netscape community did when it went open... rewrite the thing since it's pretty much crap from the bottom up.Sometimes you can ship relatively good products even if they are built as a mountain of dung.
The trick is to stick a pretty box around it.
But if anyone ever takes enough interest in this OS when there are so many MUCH better alternatives out there, it's going to get rewritten if for consistency and modernization if nothing else.Who the hell ever heard of an OS that DEMANDS you use a programming model like MVC (and a misinterpretation of it as well) just to write a hello world program.
Coding for this thing is painful at best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027636</id>
	<title>Re:"By putting Symbian fully in the public domain"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265281380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+infinity.... I work with Symbian Foundation code every day and for them to say that they have completed the transition to open source is laughable... show me a working GUI... show me a complete set of drivers.  Please....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ infinity.... I work with Symbian Foundation code every day and for them to say that they have completed the transition to open source is laughable... show me a working GUI... show me a complete set of drivers .
Please... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+infinity.... I work with Symbian Foundation code every day and for them to say that they have completed the transition to open source is laughable... show me a working GUI... show me a complete set of drivers.
Please....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029234</id>
	<title>Apple is a hardware (consumer electronics) company</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1265290140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple is a software company.</p></div><p>Really?</p><p>See <a href="http://images.betanews.com/media/3620.png" title="betanews.com">http://images.betanews.com/media/3620.png</a> [betanews.com] or some article at <a href="http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-Q3-2009-by-the-numbers/1248218543" title="betanews.com">http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-Q3-2009-by-the-numbers/1248218543</a> [betanews.com] (which got data from Apple's SEC filings).</p><p>From 2009, software was ~500 megabucks, iPods ~1500, iPhones ~1700, music ~1000.  Also Desktops ~1130 and Portables (Laptopts?) ~2200.</p><p>Apple sells computers and consumer electronics (~tied first place).  Then music.  Then software at a quite distant third.</p><p>If you measure by sales, Apple is not a software company.</p><p>Then again, Apple probably ships software on each of their hardware devices, so by unit count... well... just like how Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father, you can get the conclusion you want if you look at reality from a certain point of view that's particularly supportive of your interpretation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is a software company.Really ? See http : //images.betanews.com/media/3620.png [ betanews.com ] or some article at http : //www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-Q3-2009-by-the-numbers/1248218543 [ betanews.com ] ( which got data from Apple 's SEC filings ) .From 2009 , software was ~ 500 megabucks , iPods ~ 1500 , iPhones ~ 1700 , music ~ 1000 .
Also Desktops ~ 1130 and Portables ( Laptopts ?
) ~ 2200.Apple sells computers and consumer electronics ( ~ tied first place ) .
Then music .
Then software at a quite distant third.If you measure by sales , Apple is not a software company.Then again , Apple probably ships software on each of their hardware devices , so by unit count... well... just like how Vader betrayed and murdered Luke 's father , you can get the conclusion you want if you look at reality from a certain point of view that 's particularly supportive of your interpretation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is a software company.Really?See http://images.betanews.com/media/3620.png [betanews.com] or some article at http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-Q3-2009-by-the-numbers/1248218543 [betanews.com] (which got data from Apple's SEC filings).From 2009, software was ~500 megabucks, iPods ~1500, iPhones ~1700, music ~1000.
Also Desktops ~1130 and Portables (Laptopts?
) ~2200.Apple sells computers and consumer electronics (~tied first place).
Then music.
Then software at a quite distant third.If you measure by sales, Apple is not a software company.Then again, Apple probably ships software on each of their hardware devices, so by unit count... well... just like how Vader betrayed and murdered Luke's father, you can get the conclusion you want if you look at reality from a certain point of view that's particularly supportive of your interpretation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027266</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T's E71x</title>
	<author>sricetx</author>
	<datestamp>1265279160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T's customized version of Symbian on the E71x sucks eggs.  They have taken away a lot of the great features of Symbian, such as the ability to use the Ovi store, Nokia maps, and simple things like the ability to set up an imap mail account.  It's like At&amp;t was paid off by Blackberry to make Symbain a failure in the US smartphone market.  I've worked around most of these limitations on my device, but would be interested to know if announcement might lead to the ability to reload the E71x's firmware with a stock Symbian build.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T 's customized version of Symbian on the E71x sucks eggs .
They have taken away a lot of the great features of Symbian , such as the ability to use the Ovi store , Nokia maps , and simple things like the ability to set up an imap mail account .
It 's like At&amp;t was paid off by Blackberry to make Symbain a failure in the US smartphone market .
I 've worked around most of these limitations on my device , but would be interested to know if announcement might lead to the ability to reload the E71x 's firmware with a stock Symbian build .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T's customized version of Symbian on the E71x sucks eggs.
They have taken away a lot of the great features of Symbian, such as the ability to use the Ovi store, Nokia maps, and simple things like the ability to set up an imap mail account.
It's like At&amp;t was paid off by Blackberry to make Symbain a failure in the US smartphone market.
I've worked around most of these limitations on my device, but would be interested to know if announcement might lead to the ability to reload the E71x's firmware with a stock Symbian build.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027588</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T's E71x</title>
	<author>MoonBuggy</author>
	<datestamp>1265281080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked testing phones for a while, and I've seen first hand the crap that goes into most vendor-specific firmware (not to mention the fact that many of them will write their version once and never update it, despite the fact that Nokia often make significant improvements in the stock firmware's speed and stability over a product's lifetime). As such, completely nuking anything the network has put on there comes pretty high on my list of requirements.</p><p>Anyway, rant over, here's a <a href="http://www.e71blog.com/2009/01/how-to-change-your-e71-nam-product-code/" title="e71blog.com">link</a> [e71blog.com] explaining how to do so on an E71. Basically you just change the device's product code so it identifies as Nokia generic rather than vendor specific. Once that's done Nokia's standard firmware update tools will do the work for you, no potentially dodgy hacks or cracked firmwares needed. Do make sure, however, that the product code you're using is for the generic version of your specific phone (i.e. correct transmission frequencies). Officially it voids the warranty, but it's easily reversible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked testing phones for a while , and I 've seen first hand the crap that goes into most vendor-specific firmware ( not to mention the fact that many of them will write their version once and never update it , despite the fact that Nokia often make significant improvements in the stock firmware 's speed and stability over a product 's lifetime ) .
As such , completely nuking anything the network has put on there comes pretty high on my list of requirements.Anyway , rant over , here 's a link [ e71blog.com ] explaining how to do so on an E71 .
Basically you just change the device 's product code so it identifies as Nokia generic rather than vendor specific .
Once that 's done Nokia 's standard firmware update tools will do the work for you , no potentially dodgy hacks or cracked firmwares needed .
Do make sure , however , that the product code you 're using is for the generic version of your specific phone ( i.e .
correct transmission frequencies ) .
Officially it voids the warranty , but it 's easily reversible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked testing phones for a while, and I've seen first hand the crap that goes into most vendor-specific firmware (not to mention the fact that many of them will write their version once and never update it, despite the fact that Nokia often make significant improvements in the stock firmware's speed and stability over a product's lifetime).
As such, completely nuking anything the network has put on there comes pretty high on my list of requirements.Anyway, rant over, here's a link [e71blog.com] explaining how to do so on an E71.
Basically you just change the device's product code so it identifies as Nokia generic rather than vendor specific.
Once that's done Nokia's standard firmware update tools will do the work for you, no potentially dodgy hacks or cracked firmwares needed.
Do make sure, however, that the product code you're using is for the generic version of your specific phone (i.e.
correct transmission frequencies).
Officially it voids the warranty, but it's easily reversible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31047730</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia moving to Open Source?</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1265448900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I certainly did not expect Nokia to be first to ship smartphones with a very compatible Linux distribution and root access out of the box.</p></div><p>Why not? Unlike a certain other American company, they have no history of trying to lock in their customers or dictate what their phones can or cannot do. This is the latest step. Until 2006, Nokia, as well as other phone manufacturers, had a proprietary 'Pop Port' interface on their phones, so you had to buy Nokia branded wired headsets, datacables etc. When MP3 playback became popular on phones, they were one of the first to switch to standard audio jacks and miniUSB (The N91 music phone started off with this feature).<br>The current generation also supports charging through USB.<br>If you look at the other hardware specs, all open hardware standards are supported- from microUSB memory cards to USB mass storage to media transfer protocol. Photos can be posted to any online service that supports RSS directly from the camera and gallery. The now discontinued <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia\_Lifeblog" title="wikipedia.org">LifeBlog</a> [wikipedia.org] application is a full fledged blogging client, again with XML RSS publishing support for all popular blogs.</p><p>Given their history of providing support for common standards and interoperability, it's hardly surprising they've chosen a Linux based open source OS for their next generation of smartphones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I certainly did not expect Nokia to be first to ship smartphones with a very compatible Linux distribution and root access out of the box.Why not ?
Unlike a certain other American company , they have no history of trying to lock in their customers or dictate what their phones can or can not do .
This is the latest step .
Until 2006 , Nokia , as well as other phone manufacturers , had a proprietary 'Pop Port ' interface on their phones , so you had to buy Nokia branded wired headsets , datacables etc .
When MP3 playback became popular on phones , they were one of the first to switch to standard audio jacks and miniUSB ( The N91 music phone started off with this feature ) .The current generation also supports charging through USB.If you look at the other hardware specs , all open hardware standards are supported- from microUSB memory cards to USB mass storage to media transfer protocol .
Photos can be posted to any online service that supports RSS directly from the camera and gallery .
The now discontinued LifeBlog [ wikipedia.org ] application is a full fledged blogging client , again with XML RSS publishing support for all popular blogs.Given their history of providing support for common standards and interoperability , it 's hardly surprising they 've chosen a Linux based open source OS for their next generation of smartphones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I certainly did not expect Nokia to be first to ship smartphones with a very compatible Linux distribution and root access out of the box.Why not?
Unlike a certain other American company, they have no history of trying to lock in their customers or dictate what their phones can or cannot do.
This is the latest step.
Until 2006, Nokia, as well as other phone manufacturers, had a proprietary 'Pop Port' interface on their phones, so you had to buy Nokia branded wired headsets, datacables etc.
When MP3 playback became popular on phones, they were one of the first to switch to standard audio jacks and miniUSB (The N91 music phone started off with this feature).The current generation also supports charging through USB.If you look at the other hardware specs, all open hardware standards are supported- from microUSB memory cards to USB mass storage to media transfer protocol.
Photos can be posted to any online service that supports RSS directly from the camera and gallery.
The now discontinued LifeBlog [wikipedia.org] application is a full fledged blogging client, again with XML RSS publishing support for all popular blogs.Given their history of providing support for common standards and interoperability, it's hardly surprising they've chosen a Linux based open source OS for their next generation of smartphones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027564</id>
	<title>Death rattle</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1265280840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Feature phones will be gone by the time anyone does anything with this. The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web. If you're going to support the Web, you need Unix. Fixing Symbian to be modern should have happened a long time ago if at all.</p><p>These hardware companies are getting killed by Apple because Apple is a software company. They spend much more time designing the software interactions than the physical hardware, which they reduce as far as possible to keep it out of the way of the software. My Apple Logic Studio is bigger than all of my other apps combined by about 10 times and costs $100 per year to stay current. Apple layers on the software, their devices do much more because they have software resources that completely outclass the competition. The software community already gave Nokia free Unix, they should be building on top of that. Nobody cares what kernel is in their phone, they care that it surfs the Web, is fast, doesn't stall, is easy to use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Feature phones will be gone by the time anyone does anything with this .
The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web .
If you 're going to support the Web , you need Unix .
Fixing Symbian to be modern should have happened a long time ago if at all.These hardware companies are getting killed by Apple because Apple is a software company .
They spend much more time designing the software interactions than the physical hardware , which they reduce as far as possible to keep it out of the way of the software .
My Apple Logic Studio is bigger than all of my other apps combined by about 10 times and costs $ 100 per year to stay current .
Apple layers on the software , their devices do much more because they have software resources that completely outclass the competition .
The software community already gave Nokia free Unix , they should be building on top of that .
Nobody cares what kernel is in their phone , they care that it surfs the Web , is fast , does n't stall , is easy to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feature phones will be gone by the time anyone does anything with this.
The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.
If you're going to support the Web, you need Unix.
Fixing Symbian to be modern should have happened a long time ago if at all.These hardware companies are getting killed by Apple because Apple is a software company.
They spend much more time designing the software interactions than the physical hardware, which they reduce as far as possible to keep it out of the way of the software.
My Apple Logic Studio is bigger than all of my other apps combined by about 10 times and costs $100 per year to stay current.
Apple layers on the software, their devices do much more because they have software resources that completely outclass the competition.
The software community already gave Nokia free Unix, they should be building on top of that.
Nobody cares what kernel is in their phone, they care that it surfs the Web, is fast, doesn't stall, is easy to use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027952</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1265282880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.</i></p><p>Really ? When was the last time you saw a web page designed for 480 x 320 ? And I'm not talking about "mobile" versions, I mean *real* webpages.</p><p>Compare this to N900, which has 800 x 480, meaning in a lot of cases you can see the whole width of the page without any scrolling whatsoever.</p><p>iTroll fail, better luck next time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.Really ?
When was the last time you saw a web page designed for 480 x 320 ?
And I 'm not talking about " mobile " versions , I mean * real * webpages.Compare this to N900 , which has 800 x 480 , meaning in a lot of cases you can see the whole width of the page without any scrolling whatsoever.iTroll fail , better luck next time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.Really ?
When was the last time you saw a web page designed for 480 x 320 ?
And I'm not talking about "mobile" versions, I mean *real* webpages.Compare this to N900, which has 800 x 480, meaning in a lot of cases you can see the whole width of the page without any scrolling whatsoever.iTroll fail, better luck next time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029078</id>
	<title>Nokia's share is increasing, not decreasing</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1265289000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure there's much evidence that Nokia are losing any ground? For last quarter of 2009, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/rorycellanjones/2010/01/nokias\_quiet\_comeback.html" title="bbc.co.uk">their sales were up 22\%, their profits almost doubled, and their market share increased to 39\%; in the "smartphone" market, their share <b>increased</b> from 35\% to 40\% </a> [bbc.co.uk].</p><p>The "big names" you mention are still niche players in the phone market (except perhaps RIM; admittedly they should also worrying about Android, not because of Google phones directly, but because the rest of the phone manufacturers such as Motorola may switch to Android; but Apple are a non-issue here).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure there 's much evidence that Nokia are losing any ground ?
For last quarter of 2009 , their sales were up 22 \ % , their profits almost doubled , and their market share increased to 39 \ % ; in the " smartphone " market , their share increased from 35 \ % to 40 \ % [ bbc.co.uk ] .The " big names " you mention are still niche players in the phone market ( except perhaps RIM ; admittedly they should also worrying about Android , not because of Google phones directly , but because the rest of the phone manufacturers such as Motorola may switch to Android ; but Apple are a non-issue here ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure there's much evidence that Nokia are losing any ground?
For last quarter of 2009, their sales were up 22\%, their profits almost doubled, and their market share increased to 39\%; in the "smartphone" market, their share increased from 35\% to 40\%  [bbc.co.uk].The "big names" you mention are still niche players in the phone market (except perhaps RIM; admittedly they should also worrying about Android, not because of Google phones directly, but because the rest of the phone manufacturers such as Motorola may switch to Android; but Apple are a non-issue here).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31032862</id>
	<title>Worldwide market share</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265368680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last time I saw figures for smartphone and indeed normal mobile phone share in the world, the USA was lagging behind greatly.  With APAC and Europe far in the lead, the USA accounts for less than 10\% of the market despite being one of the main world super powers.</p><p>This probably relates to sparse spreading of the population, making cell towers hard to locate, and a mix of conflicting technologies, include expensive legacy tech that the companies running, refuse to let go of.  So the USA not having heard of Nokia/Symbian isn't even important and also explains why with almost nobody using Symbian in the states, Symbian is the main smartphone OS.</p><p>I'm a Brit but work for a US company, and it saddens me to see them lose sight on which platforms to develop on, focusing on Android and iPhoneOS despite relatively low update outside of America.  Sure they're nice platforms, but frankly Maemo is better and easier to develop for and yet they're not bothering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last time I saw figures for smartphone and indeed normal mobile phone share in the world , the USA was lagging behind greatly .
With APAC and Europe far in the lead , the USA accounts for less than 10 \ % of the market despite being one of the main world super powers.This probably relates to sparse spreading of the population , making cell towers hard to locate , and a mix of conflicting technologies , include expensive legacy tech that the companies running , refuse to let go of .
So the USA not having heard of Nokia/Symbian is n't even important and also explains why with almost nobody using Symbian in the states , Symbian is the main smartphone OS.I 'm a Brit but work for a US company , and it saddens me to see them lose sight on which platforms to develop on , focusing on Android and iPhoneOS despite relatively low update outside of America .
Sure they 're nice platforms , but frankly Maemo is better and easier to develop for and yet they 're not bothering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last time I saw figures for smartphone and indeed normal mobile phone share in the world, the USA was lagging behind greatly.
With APAC and Europe far in the lead, the USA accounts for less than 10\% of the market despite being one of the main world super powers.This probably relates to sparse spreading of the population, making cell towers hard to locate, and a mix of conflicting technologies, include expensive legacy tech that the companies running, refuse to let go of.
So the USA not having heard of Nokia/Symbian isn't even important and also explains why with almost nobody using Symbian in the states, Symbian is the main smartphone OS.I'm a Brit but work for a US company, and it saddens me to see them lose sight on which platforms to develop on, focusing on Android and iPhoneOS despite relatively low update outside of America.
Sure they're nice platforms, but frankly Maemo is better and easier to develop for and yet they're not bothering.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31032662</id>
	<title>Re:The FAQ warns about software patents...</title>
	<author>Plug</author>
	<datestamp>1265366220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, the Symbian Foundation doesn't own any patents, so can't give them away to everyone.  Certain patents are owned by SF member companies.</p><p><a href="http://www.symbian.org/members/become-member/member-faqs" title="symbian.org">Membership of the Symbian Foundation costs a flat $1500 USD (+ VAT)</a> [symbian.org] per year, which grants your company access to the patents contributed by other members. The Eclipse Public License grants patent rights to software and software combinations only; the member patent policy additionally grants patent rights for software-hardware combinations.  It's a drop-in-the-bucket cost for anyone making a device.</p><p>There is a copy of the <a href="http://www2.symbian.org/assets/files/en/08\%20-\%20SF\%20Patent\%20Policy.pdf" title="symbian.org">patent policy</a> [symbian.org] available, for the lawyery type.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , the Symbian Foundation does n't own any patents , so ca n't give them away to everyone .
Certain patents are owned by SF member companies.Membership of the Symbian Foundation costs a flat $ 1500 USD ( + VAT ) [ symbian.org ] per year , which grants your company access to the patents contributed by other members .
The Eclipse Public License grants patent rights to software and software combinations only ; the member patent policy additionally grants patent rights for software-hardware combinations .
It 's a drop-in-the-bucket cost for anyone making a device.There is a copy of the patent policy [ symbian.org ] available , for the lawyery type .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, the Symbian Foundation doesn't own any patents, so can't give them away to everyone.
Certain patents are owned by SF member companies.Membership of the Symbian Foundation costs a flat $1500 USD (+ VAT) [symbian.org] per year, which grants your company access to the patents contributed by other members.
The Eclipse Public License grants patent rights to software and software combinations only; the member patent policy additionally grants patent rights for software-hardware combinations.
It's a drop-in-the-bucket cost for anyone making a device.There is a copy of the patent policy [symbian.org] available, for the lawyery type.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027320</id>
	<title>Re:Still need signed apps though don't I</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1265279340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Probably because their actions today don't reach back through the tendrils of space and time and affect their actions in the past.<br> <br>

More seriously, openness of code need not(and frequently does not) equal openness of device. Only open code and the ability to install your own binaries, built from modified code, provides that.<br> <br>

What you are basically asking is the equivalent of "If linux is so open, why can't I get root on any linux server?". Answer: "because the people who built and installed linux on those servers built and installed it to keep you out."<br> <br>

The fact that phone manufacturers customarily lock people out of their own hardware is absolute bullshit; but it only has any relation to the openness of the code if the code is GPL3. Prior GPL versions, and any BSD version, permit tivoization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably because their actions today do n't reach back through the tendrils of space and time and affect their actions in the past .
More seriously , openness of code need not ( and frequently does not ) equal openness of device .
Only open code and the ability to install your own binaries , built from modified code , provides that .
What you are basically asking is the equivalent of " If linux is so open , why ca n't I get root on any linux server ? " .
Answer : " because the people who built and installed linux on those servers built and installed it to keep you out .
" The fact that phone manufacturers customarily lock people out of their own hardware is absolute bullshit ; but it only has any relation to the openness of the code if the code is GPL3 .
Prior GPL versions , and any BSD version , permit tivoization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably because their actions today don't reach back through the tendrils of space and time and affect their actions in the past.
More seriously, openness of code need not(and frequently does not) equal openness of device.
Only open code and the ability to install your own binaries, built from modified code, provides that.
What you are basically asking is the equivalent of "If linux is so open, why can't I get root on any linux server?".
Answer: "because the people who built and installed linux on those servers built and installed it to keep you out.
" 

The fact that phone manufacturers customarily lock people out of their own hardware is absolute bullshit; but it only has any relation to the openness of the code if the code is GPL3.
Prior GPL versions, and any BSD version, permit tivoization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028780</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but who wants it?</title>
	<author>RzUpAnmsCwrds</author>
	<datestamp>1265287260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you seriously linking to RoughlyDrafted, a site that makes Mossberg look tame as an Apple fanboy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you seriously linking to RoughlyDrafted , a site that makes Mossberg look tame as an Apple fanboy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you seriously linking to RoughlyDrafted, a site that makes Mossberg look tame as an Apple fanboy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027456</id>
	<title>Re:Too little, too late</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Nokia will be forced to adopt Android shortly I think (year or two). There's only room for one other player I think, but I'm pretty sure it's Windows Mobile (though force of will) or PalmOS</i></p><p>On my Nokia E71 I have Nokia Maps and Google Maps, I have Gizmo SIP VoIP and Skype, I have virtual assistant call manager software, I have ssh and irc clients, I have msn/icq client, and I can turn it into a wifi hotspot. I can run any application anybody has written for the device. If the choice becomes Android, Windows, or iPhone, then I'm not upgrading until they turn off the last GSM base station.</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia will be forced to adopt Android shortly I think ( year or two ) .
There 's only room for one other player I think , but I 'm pretty sure it 's Windows Mobile ( though force of will ) or PalmOSOn my Nokia E71 I have Nokia Maps and Google Maps , I have Gizmo SIP VoIP and Skype , I have virtual assistant call manager software , I have ssh and irc clients , I have msn/icq client , and I can turn it into a wifi hotspot .
I can run any application anybody has written for the device .
If the choice becomes Android , Windows , or iPhone , then I 'm not upgrading until they turn off the last GSM base station.Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia will be forced to adopt Android shortly I think (year or two).
There's only room for one other player I think, but I'm pretty sure it's Windows Mobile (though force of will) or PalmOSOn my Nokia E71 I have Nokia Maps and Google Maps, I have Gizmo SIP VoIP and Skype, I have virtual assistant call manager software, I have ssh and irc clients, I have msn/icq client, and I can turn it into a wifi hotspot.
I can run any application anybody has written for the device.
If the choice becomes Android, Windows, or iPhone, then I'm not upgrading until they turn off the last GSM base station.Phillip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31032452</id>
	<title>Re:There are freebie app signers</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1265363460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah lets go get a dev cert, and a signing app just to run software. No biggy if you're a developer I guess. But an end user shouldn't need to jump through hoops.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah lets go get a dev cert , and a signing app just to run software .
No biggy if you 're a developer I guess .
But an end user should n't need to jump through hoops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah lets go get a dev cert, and a signing app just to run software.
No biggy if you're a developer I guess.
But an end user shouldn't need to jump through hoops.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027274</id>
	<title>AT&amp;T's other phones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265279220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T also has the Nokia Mural.... doesn't this also run the Symbian OS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T also has the Nokia Mural.... does n't this also run the Symbian OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T also has the Nokia Mural.... doesn't this also run the Symbian OS?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028212</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T's other phones</title>
	<author>koiransuklaa</author>
	<datestamp>1265284140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>S40 is not based on Symbian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>S40 is not based on Symbian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>S40 is not based on Symbian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027432</id>
	<title>We also need a free IDE</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I checked for a simple way to develop small symbian apps under Linux it was a painful experience: nearly uninstallable toolchains and SDK, version conflicts etc. And under Windows everything was $$$. I hope this will allow the creation of better free tools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked for a simple way to develop small symbian apps under Linux it was a painful experience : nearly uninstallable toolchains and SDK , version conflicts etc .
And under Windows everything was $ $ $ .
I hope this will allow the creation of better free tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked for a simple way to develop small symbian apps under Linux it was a painful experience: nearly uninstallable toolchains and SDK, version conflicts etc.
And under Windows everything was $$$.
I hope this will allow the creation of better free tools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028562</id>
	<title>Re:AT&amp;T's E71x</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265286300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I installed Nokia Maps on my AT&amp;T E71x a few days ago, played with it a bit and it seems to work fine.  I had to choose E71 from the download page's device menu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I installed Nokia Maps on my AT&amp;T E71x a few days ago , played with it a bit and it seems to work fine .
I had to choose E71 from the download page 's device menu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I installed Nokia Maps on my AT&amp;T E71x a few days ago, played with it a bit and it seems to work fine.
I had to choose E71 from the download page's device menu.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028038</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like overkill</title>
	<author>silent\_artichoke</author>
	<datestamp>1265283180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and lastly, test subjects.</p></div><p>And there's the problem right there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and lastly , test subjects.And there 's the problem right there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and lastly, test subjects.And there's the problem right there.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028398</id>
	<title>Symbian is a dead end.</title>
	<author>bluephone</author>
	<datestamp>1265285280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Symbian's a dead end. Maemo/Android/Linux is the way going forward. I've been a long time Nokia fan, I make no bones about it. I can call them out when they screw up, but generally I find their products superior. I've used a number of Symbian phones, and two Maemo devices, the N810 Internet Tablet and the new N900 phone. The N810 was a great device, and the N900 blows away any handheld device I've used. The ease of use, the ability to customize, hack, the ease of getting applications, everything is just so much better on the N900 than any Symbian device I've ever had. Symbian is an aging platform that hasn't worn well over time. It's time to let it die.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Symbian 's a dead end .
Maemo/Android/Linux is the way going forward .
I 've been a long time Nokia fan , I make no bones about it .
I can call them out when they screw up , but generally I find their products superior .
I 've used a number of Symbian phones , and two Maemo devices , the N810 Internet Tablet and the new N900 phone .
The N810 was a great device , and the N900 blows away any handheld device I 've used .
The ease of use , the ability to customize , hack , the ease of getting applications , everything is just so much better on the N900 than any Symbian device I 've ever had .
Symbian is an aging platform that has n't worn well over time .
It 's time to let it die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Symbian's a dead end.
Maemo/Android/Linux is the way going forward.
I've been a long time Nokia fan, I make no bones about it.
I can call them out when they screw up, but generally I find their products superior.
I've used a number of Symbian phones, and two Maemo devices, the N810 Internet Tablet and the new N900 phone.
The N810 was a great device, and the N900 blows away any handheld device I've used.
The ease of use, the ability to customize, hack, the ease of getting applications, everything is just so much better on the N900 than any Symbian device I've ever had.
Symbian is an aging platform that hasn't worn well over time.
It's time to let it die.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027446</id>
	<title>that's cooked microsofts goose</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how can Microsoft sell their windows mobile OS now?</p><p>good riddance to it and them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how can Microsoft sell their windows mobile OS now ? good riddance to it and them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how can Microsoft sell their windows mobile OS now?good riddance to it and them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31036336</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>recharged95</author>
	<datestamp>1265394180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like the same conclusion Palm came to and look at WebOS, pretty good decision IMO.
<br>
<br>
Granted, you need to give create to the iPad--it will determine whether a fully open OS is what consumers want (frankly, from the linux desktop experiment, no).
<br>
<br>
Also, last I recall, linux is successful because of either vendors support/supply H/W drivers, and the community's re-engineering efforts--which frankly is a bit counter-productive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like the same conclusion Palm came to and look at WebOS , pretty good decision IMO .
Granted , you need to give create to the iPad--it will determine whether a fully open OS is what consumers want ( frankly , from the linux desktop experiment , no ) .
Also , last I recall , linux is successful because of either vendors support/supply H/W drivers , and the community 's re-engineering efforts--which frankly is a bit counter-productive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like the same conclusion Palm came to and look at WebOS, pretty good decision IMO.
Granted, you need to give create to the iPad--it will determine whether a fully open OS is what consumers want (frankly, from the linux desktop experiment, no).
Also, last I recall, linux is successful because of either vendors support/supply H/W drivers, and the community's re-engineering efforts--which frankly is a bit counter-productive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027174</id>
	<title>Still need signed apps though don't I</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1265278740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's so freakin' open please tell me why I still need to have apps signed on my Nokia 6220 classic and will do for the foreseeable future unless I'm willing to try risky hacks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's so freakin ' open please tell me why I still need to have apps signed on my Nokia 6220 classic and will do for the foreseeable future unless I 'm willing to try risky hacks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's so freakin' open please tell me why I still need to have apps signed on my Nokia 6220 classic and will do for the foreseeable future unless I'm willing to try risky hacks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029406</id>
	<title>Nokia frees Symbian code, three or four overjoyed</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1265291280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>HEY HEY 16K, Need To Know,</b> Thursday (Big K) &mdash; Nokia, through the Symbian Foundation, has made the code for the Symbian smartphone OS open source, putting several aging geeks in <a href="http://newstechnica.com/2010/02/05/nokia-frees-symbian-code-three-or-four-overjoyed/" title="newstechnica.com">raptures of delight</a> [newstechnica.com].</p><p>"The Symbian OS will delight those of us who fondly remember EPOC on the Psion NetBook," said Larry Berkin, Symbian's head of global alliances. "God, that was an OS. Best PDA ever. Finest of British engineering. Sixteen whole kilobytes! You could run a truck over them. I bet an open source Symbian OS will let you run a truck over your phone."</p><p>The Foundation hopes to pit Symbian against Windows Mobile. "There's no way it can compete against our superior features, like WAP browsing, infrared connect to your laptop and, of course, the serial port." It also hopes to set the stage for a march on the USA. "The Americans will fall before our superior engineering! Psion worked on the ZX81, you know.</p><p>There are currently about 330 million Symbian devices in the world, at least fifteen of whose owners can actually use the web browser without wanting to throw the phone through a window. "Just think," said Berkin, "anyone can improve their phone! Well, they could if Nokia made phones the user could flash. But still!"</p><p>The Foundation issued a press release about how the open-sourcing of Symbian was welcomed by free software advocates and other aging hippies. "Developers everywhere will want to study Symbian," said Eben Moglen, "to hack on it, and to write applications for it. This could be even bigger than the Amiga."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HEY HEY 16K , Need To Know , Thursday ( Big K )    Nokia , through the Symbian Foundation , has made the code for the Symbian smartphone OS open source , putting several aging geeks in raptures of delight [ newstechnica.com ] .
" The Symbian OS will delight those of us who fondly remember EPOC on the Psion NetBook , " said Larry Berkin , Symbian 's head of global alliances .
" God , that was an OS .
Best PDA ever .
Finest of British engineering .
Sixteen whole kilobytes !
You could run a truck over them .
I bet an open source Symbian OS will let you run a truck over your phone .
" The Foundation hopes to pit Symbian against Windows Mobile .
" There 's no way it can compete against our superior features , like WAP browsing , infrared connect to your laptop and , of course , the serial port .
" It also hopes to set the stage for a march on the USA .
" The Americans will fall before our superior engineering !
Psion worked on the ZX81 , you know.There are currently about 330 million Symbian devices in the world , at least fifteen of whose owners can actually use the web browser without wanting to throw the phone through a window .
" Just think , " said Berkin , " anyone can improve their phone !
Well , they could if Nokia made phones the user could flash .
But still !
" The Foundation issued a press release about how the open-sourcing of Symbian was welcomed by free software advocates and other aging hippies .
" Developers everywhere will want to study Symbian , " said Eben Moglen , " to hack on it , and to write applications for it .
This could be even bigger than the Amiga .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> HEY HEY 16K, Need To Know, Thursday (Big K) — Nokia, through the Symbian Foundation, has made the code for the Symbian smartphone OS open source, putting several aging geeks in raptures of delight [newstechnica.com].
"The Symbian OS will delight those of us who fondly remember EPOC on the Psion NetBook," said Larry Berkin, Symbian's head of global alliances.
"God, that was an OS.
Best PDA ever.
Finest of British engineering.
Sixteen whole kilobytes!
You could run a truck over them.
I bet an open source Symbian OS will let you run a truck over your phone.
"The Foundation hopes to pit Symbian against Windows Mobile.
"There's no way it can compete against our superior features, like WAP browsing, infrared connect to your laptop and, of course, the serial port.
" It also hopes to set the stage for a march on the USA.
"The Americans will fall before our superior engineering!
Psion worked on the ZX81, you know.There are currently about 330 million Symbian devices in the world, at least fifteen of whose owners can actually use the web browser without wanting to throw the phone through a window.
"Just think," said Berkin, "anyone can improve their phone!
Well, they could if Nokia made phones the user could flash.
But still!
"The Foundation issued a press release about how the open-sourcing of Symbian was welcomed by free software advocates and other aging hippies.
"Developers everywhere will want to study Symbian," said Eben Moglen, "to hack on it, and to write applications for it.
This could be even bigger than the Amiga.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31031644</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265309280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Primary short-to-medium term competitors for Nokia are Samsung and LG. Apple just can't kill Nokia from the *global* market as long as their phones may cost over ten times more than cheapest Nokia/Samsung model, and two or three times as much as competitors' entry-level smartphones. Apple certainly has a piece of the pie now - but I consider it extremely na&#239;ve that their relative market share would just grow linearly.</p><p>In long term, Nokia and Samsung are unlikely to grow or shrink dramatically, but what I see for Apple is that they face increasing amount of pressure to maintain their market share. No matter what Apple fans say, global cellular phone market is quite mature, with anomalic exceptions like North America. Eventually Apple becomes mere mortal also on the phone market, as they have become on the computer market. Or does someone in one's right mind sill think they're going to kill HP and Dell by competition? Actually, they're so dependent on iPhone's success that they have drifted into high risk gambling in their game as a result.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Primary short-to-medium term competitors for Nokia are Samsung and LG .
Apple just ca n't kill Nokia from the * global * market as long as their phones may cost over ten times more than cheapest Nokia/Samsung model , and two or three times as much as competitors ' entry-level smartphones .
Apple certainly has a piece of the pie now - but I consider it extremely na   ve that their relative market share would just grow linearly.In long term , Nokia and Samsung are unlikely to grow or shrink dramatically , but what I see for Apple is that they face increasing amount of pressure to maintain their market share .
No matter what Apple fans say , global cellular phone market is quite mature , with anomalic exceptions like North America .
Eventually Apple becomes mere mortal also on the phone market , as they have become on the computer market .
Or does someone in one 's right mind sill think they 're going to kill HP and Dell by competition ?
Actually , they 're so dependent on iPhone 's success that they have drifted into high risk gambling in their game as a result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Primary short-to-medium term competitors for Nokia are Samsung and LG.
Apple just can't kill Nokia from the *global* market as long as their phones may cost over ten times more than cheapest Nokia/Samsung model, and two or three times as much as competitors' entry-level smartphones.
Apple certainly has a piece of the pie now - but I consider it extremely naïve that their relative market share would just grow linearly.In long term, Nokia and Samsung are unlikely to grow or shrink dramatically, but what I see for Apple is that they face increasing amount of pressure to maintain their market share.
No matter what Apple fans say, global cellular phone market is quite mature, with anomalic exceptions like North America.
Eventually Apple becomes mere mortal also on the phone market, as they have become on the computer market.
Or does someone in one's right mind sill think they're going to kill HP and Dell by competition?
Actually, they're so dependent on iPhone's success that they have drifted into high risk gambling in their game as a result.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028266</id>
	<title>3...2....1.... and  the site is slashdotted</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265284500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nothing to see there</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nothing to see there</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nothing to see there</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027182</id>
	<title>Pet peeve: "public domain"</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1265278740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Placing code under an open-source license is <b>not</b> the same as putting it in the "public domain". Code under an open source license still has conditions attached to it (even if minimal ones) while code placed in the public domain has no restrictions placed on it of any sort. Code under an open-source license is still copyrighted, but with a permissive license that allows one to do some things normally reserved only for the work's copyright holder. By contrast, a work in the public domain is not covered by copyright law at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Placing code under an open-source license is not the same as putting it in the " public domain " .
Code under an open source license still has conditions attached to it ( even if minimal ones ) while code placed in the public domain has no restrictions placed on it of any sort .
Code under an open-source license is still copyrighted , but with a permissive license that allows one to do some things normally reserved only for the work 's copyright holder .
By contrast , a work in the public domain is not covered by copyright law at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Placing code under an open-source license is not the same as putting it in the "public domain".
Code under an open source license still has conditions attached to it (even if minimal ones) while code placed in the public domain has no restrictions placed on it of any sort.
Code under an open-source license is still copyrighted, but with a permissive license that allows one to do some things normally reserved only for the work's copyright holder.
By contrast, a work in the public domain is not covered by copyright law at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027772</id>
	<title>Re:Drivers too, please!</title>
	<author>nilbog</author>
	<datestamp>1265281920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The drivers for your device should be on your device when you get it.  You can extract them and use them on your own custom rom if you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The drivers for your device should be on your device when you get it .
You can extract them and use them on your own custom rom if you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The drivers for your device should be on your device when you get it.
You can extract them and use them on your own custom rom if you want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027420</id>
	<title>There are freebie app signers</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1265280060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You install the app signer which has a dev cert. Then you can sign and install any application you want, a bit of a pain, but no risky hacks required.</p><p><a href="http://thesymbianblog.com/2009/07/04/how-to-sign-unsigned-files-on-a-s60-3rd5th-edition-device-itself/" title="thesymbianblog.com">http://thesymbianblog.com/2009/07/04/how-to-sign-unsigned-files-on-a-s60-3rd5th-edition-device-itself/</a> [thesymbianblog.com]</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You install the app signer which has a dev cert .
Then you can sign and install any application you want , a bit of a pain , but no risky hacks required.http : //thesymbianblog.com/2009/07/04/how-to-sign-unsigned-files-on-a-s60-3rd5th-edition-device-itself/ [ thesymbianblog.com ]  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>You install the app signer which has a dev cert.
Then you can sign and install any application you want, a bit of a pain, but no risky hacks required.http://thesymbianblog.com/2009/07/04/how-to-sign-unsigned-files-on-a-s60-3rd5th-edition-device-itself/ [thesymbianblog.com]
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027366</id>
	<title>The FAQ warns about software patents...</title>
	<author>Qubit</author>
	<datestamp>1265279700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to <a href="http://developer.symbian.org/wiki/index.php/Platform\_Opening/FAQ" title="symbian.org">the FAQ</a> [symbian.org] you can now get all the source and can (at least theoretically) build the OS and various applications. Groovy.</p><p>Setting aside the fact that <em>just building</em> all of the pieces is complicated (see the FAQ), and also setting aside the fact that many phones will refuse to run homemade, un-signed builds, you might run into issues with patents:</p><blockquote><div><p>Q: <em>Is any of this code covered by patents? Can I get patent licenses from the Symbian Foundation?</em><br>A: Yes, some of the code implements techniques and ideas which may have been patented. Becoming a member of the Symbian Foundation entitles you to certain patent licences from other members as set out in our patent policy. For further information, please contact info@symbian.org.</p></div></blockquote><p>Having the source under an open license is just <em>one</em> step on the path to personal control over your phone and freedom to use, share, and modify the software running on it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the FAQ [ symbian.org ] you can now get all the source and can ( at least theoretically ) build the OS and various applications .
Groovy.Setting aside the fact that just building all of the pieces is complicated ( see the FAQ ) , and also setting aside the fact that many phones will refuse to run homemade , un-signed builds , you might run into issues with patents : Q : Is any of this code covered by patents ?
Can I get patent licenses from the Symbian Foundation ? A : Yes , some of the code implements techniques and ideas which may have been patented .
Becoming a member of the Symbian Foundation entitles you to certain patent licences from other members as set out in our patent policy .
For further information , please contact info @ symbian.org.Having the source under an open license is just one step on the path to personal control over your phone and freedom to use , share , and modify the software running on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the FAQ [symbian.org] you can now get all the source and can (at least theoretically) build the OS and various applications.
Groovy.Setting aside the fact that just building all of the pieces is complicated (see the FAQ), and also setting aside the fact that many phones will refuse to run homemade, un-signed builds, you might run into issues with patents:Q: Is any of this code covered by patents?
Can I get patent licenses from the Symbian Foundation?A: Yes, some of the code implements techniques and ideas which may have been patented.
Becoming a member of the Symbian Foundation entitles you to certain patent licences from other members as set out in our patent policy.
For further information, please contact info@symbian.org.Having the source under an open license is just one step on the path to personal control over your phone and freedom to use, share, and modify the software running on it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027794</id>
	<title>Re:Too little, too late</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265282040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It also has a large installed base, and it runs on much more pathetic hardware than android or maemo.<br>
There's still a marketplace for phones that aren't 1GHz, yet do more than talk and text. I don't know how many millions of phones out there run S60...<br> <br>
Oh - they'll never adopt android, they have the superior Maemo for phones/tablets with some actual horsepower.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It also has a large installed base , and it runs on much more pathetic hardware than android or maemo .
There 's still a marketplace for phones that are n't 1GHz , yet do more than talk and text .
I do n't know how many millions of phones out there run S60.. . Oh - they 'll never adopt android , they have the superior Maemo for phones/tablets with some actual horsepower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It also has a large installed base, and it runs on much more pathetic hardware than android or maemo.
There's still a marketplace for phones that aren't 1GHz, yet do more than talk and text.
I don't know how many millions of phones out there run S60... 
Oh - they'll never adopt android, they have the superior Maemo for phones/tablets with some actual horsepower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028476</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but who wants it?</title>
	<author>jas203</author>
	<datestamp>1265285820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me dissect the the "key design issues", I think this is the 5th time I've done this, but I'll bite yet again.<br>
<br>
<b>Crippled C++ support:</b> Exceptions are supported, they have been for YEARS.  You'd be hard pressed to find a Symbian phone out there that doesn't have exceptions.  If you want STL then port it, I once had the set of STL I needed with a basic STLPort port - this was several years ago.  Certainly when ROM/RAM space is tight STL is going to get in your way - Symbian enabled smartphone applications years before the high performance processors and huge amounts of RAM todays phones have.<br>
<br>
<b>Confusing and limited string handling:</b> Even the author admits they don't know what they are talking about "The reason was apparently to save a few bytes on each string".  A descriptor is a very simple concept, a "description" of a contiguous memory region.  TBuf8 is a descriptor to an in place buffer (ala a C array), a TPtrC8 is a constant pointer to specified region of memory, they all have a common TDesC8 base class.  Plus if you want a "proper" string class, then make one - then spend a few minutes understanding the subject matter to realize a TPtrC8 cast operator on the class will magically enable your class to work with the Symbian APIs.<br>
<br>
<b>Limited support for multi-threading:</b> Symbian is fully preemptive multi-tasking (check out RThread, wow, I guess the author missed that)!  Even the kernel is preemptive (hence being sufficiently real-time to implement a baseband on the application processor).  Just because Active Objects exist doesn't mean they are the only things for multi-tasking.  Hopefully now the code is out in the open you can see how the experts use them to implement asynchronous code without having to always be thinking in terms of locks.<br>
<br>
<b>Bad development environment:</b> Well this is a fairly subjective subject - I haven't had any trouble, install SDK, install Carbide and start developing.  I can only imagine how taxing this must be for someone who appears to know so much.<br>
<br>
<br>
It might not be as "easy" to develop on Symbian, but it is worth being thoughtful in writing tight, low overhead code (which the Symbian APIs are all about). It's easy to throw CPU and memory at problems, something which programmers are too willing to do these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me dissect the the " key design issues " , I think this is the 5th time I 've done this , but I 'll bite yet again .
Crippled C + + support : Exceptions are supported , they have been for YEARS .
You 'd be hard pressed to find a Symbian phone out there that does n't have exceptions .
If you want STL then port it , I once had the set of STL I needed with a basic STLPort port - this was several years ago .
Certainly when ROM/RAM space is tight STL is going to get in your way - Symbian enabled smartphone applications years before the high performance processors and huge amounts of RAM todays phones have .
Confusing and limited string handling : Even the author admits they do n't know what they are talking about " The reason was apparently to save a few bytes on each string " .
A descriptor is a very simple concept , a " description " of a contiguous memory region .
TBuf8 is a descriptor to an in place buffer ( ala a C array ) , a TPtrC8 is a constant pointer to specified region of memory , they all have a common TDesC8 base class .
Plus if you want a " proper " string class , then make one - then spend a few minutes understanding the subject matter to realize a TPtrC8 cast operator on the class will magically enable your class to work with the Symbian APIs .
Limited support for multi-threading : Symbian is fully preemptive multi-tasking ( check out RThread , wow , I guess the author missed that ) !
Even the kernel is preemptive ( hence being sufficiently real-time to implement a baseband on the application processor ) .
Just because Active Objects exist does n't mean they are the only things for multi-tasking .
Hopefully now the code is out in the open you can see how the experts use them to implement asynchronous code without having to always be thinking in terms of locks .
Bad development environment : Well this is a fairly subjective subject - I have n't had any trouble , install SDK , install Carbide and start developing .
I can only imagine how taxing this must be for someone who appears to know so much .
It might not be as " easy " to develop on Symbian , but it is worth being thoughtful in writing tight , low overhead code ( which the Symbian APIs are all about ) .
It 's easy to throw CPU and memory at problems , something which programmers are too willing to do these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me dissect the the "key design issues", I think this is the 5th time I've done this, but I'll bite yet again.
Crippled C++ support: Exceptions are supported, they have been for YEARS.
You'd be hard pressed to find a Symbian phone out there that doesn't have exceptions.
If you want STL then port it, I once had the set of STL I needed with a basic STLPort port - this was several years ago.
Certainly when ROM/RAM space is tight STL is going to get in your way - Symbian enabled smartphone applications years before the high performance processors and huge amounts of RAM todays phones have.
Confusing and limited string handling: Even the author admits they don't know what they are talking about "The reason was apparently to save a few bytes on each string".
A descriptor is a very simple concept, a "description" of a contiguous memory region.
TBuf8 is a descriptor to an in place buffer (ala a C array), a TPtrC8 is a constant pointer to specified region of memory, they all have a common TDesC8 base class.
Plus if you want a "proper" string class, then make one - then spend a few minutes understanding the subject matter to realize a TPtrC8 cast operator on the class will magically enable your class to work with the Symbian APIs.
Limited support for multi-threading: Symbian is fully preemptive multi-tasking (check out RThread, wow, I guess the author missed that)!
Even the kernel is preemptive (hence being sufficiently real-time to implement a baseband on the application processor).
Just because Active Objects exist doesn't mean they are the only things for multi-tasking.
Hopefully now the code is out in the open you can see how the experts use them to implement asynchronous code without having to always be thinking in terms of locks.
Bad development environment: Well this is a fairly subjective subject - I haven't had any trouble, install SDK, install Carbide and start developing.
I can only imagine how taxing this must be for someone who appears to know so much.
It might not be as "easy" to develop on Symbian, but it is worth being thoughtful in writing tight, low overhead code (which the Symbian APIs are all about).
It's easy to throw CPU and memory at problems, something which programmers are too willing to do these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027838</id>
	<title>Link to the main product website</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265282220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can't talk about Symbian OS without a link to:</p><p><a href="http://www.sybian.com/" title="sybian.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sybian.com/</a> [sybian.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We ca n't talk about Symbian OS without a link to : http : //www.sybian.com/ [ sybian.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can't talk about Symbian OS without a link to:http://www.sybian.com/ [sybian.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31034496</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1265385480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, I take it you have no idea that Nokia "feature phones" are were never built on Symbian, right? And that Symbian runs on both cheap &amp; sturdy <i>smartphone</i> candybars as well as touchscreen phones...</p><p>BTW, the "iPhone form factor" was introduced by Nokia Maemo device a year before iPhone announcement.</p><p>You haver also an interesting definition of "killing". In the past two years + one quarter Nokia shipped one billion mobile phones, greatly contributing to the fact that, while a year ago there were 3 billion mobile subscribers, now there are 4.6 billion. Total number of phones shipped by Apple - around 30 millions.</p><p>The Symbian kernel is what allows Nokia to ship so many smartphones as they do (Symbian has 50\% of total smartphone market); it runs fine on "slower", chepaer devices; ones which many more people can afford at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , I take it you have no idea that Nokia " feature phones " are were never built on Symbian , right ?
And that Symbian runs on both cheap &amp; sturdy smartphone candybars as well as touchscreen phones...BTW , the " iPhone form factor " was introduced by Nokia Maemo device a year before iPhone announcement.You haver also an interesting definition of " killing " .
In the past two years + one quarter Nokia shipped one billion mobile phones , greatly contributing to the fact that , while a year ago there were 3 billion mobile subscribers , now there are 4.6 billion .
Total number of phones shipped by Apple - around 30 millions.The Symbian kernel is what allows Nokia to ship so many smartphones as they do ( Symbian has 50 \ % of total smartphone market ) ; it runs fine on " slower " , chepaer devices ; ones which many more people can afford at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, I take it you have no idea that Nokia "feature phones" are were never built on Symbian, right?
And that Symbian runs on both cheap &amp; sturdy smartphone candybars as well as touchscreen phones...BTW, the "iPhone form factor" was introduced by Nokia Maemo device a year before iPhone announcement.You haver also an interesting definition of "killing".
In the past two years + one quarter Nokia shipped one billion mobile phones, greatly contributing to the fact that, while a year ago there were 3 billion mobile subscribers, now there are 4.6 billion.
Total number of phones shipped by Apple - around 30 millions.The Symbian kernel is what allows Nokia to ship so many smartphones as they do (Symbian has 50\% of total smartphone market); it runs fine on "slower", chepaer devices; ones which many more people can afford at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028750</id>
	<title>So much blah</title>
	<author>thaig</author>
	<datestamp>1265287080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am biased as I work "with it" every day.</p><p>It's written in C++ and the syscalls are asynchronous by default (very very nice when you're doing lots of comms).  It has a microkernel and an extremely comprehensive api.  It's even written in C++.  The kernel is actually quite nice.</p><p>So *actually* Linux is a dinosaur by comparison if you consider modern-ness to be of any importance.</p><p>I don't but and I like linux a lot but Symbian is an operating system that deserves respect and it's dumb to believe that everything has to be done "one true way".  The user-level programming experience is not nice due to the great efforts made to fit it onto early phone hardware (since it has been out there long before 600Mhz ARM chips arrived that could shift the weight of Linux or OSX).</p><p>But all of that's changing and as a result of pretty gargantuan efforts that few pundits have any appreciation of that this rough diamond is being cut and will dazzle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am biased as I work " with it " every day.It 's written in C + + and the syscalls are asynchronous by default ( very very nice when you 're doing lots of comms ) .
It has a microkernel and an extremely comprehensive api .
It 's even written in C + + .
The kernel is actually quite nice.So * actually * Linux is a dinosaur by comparison if you consider modern-ness to be of any importance.I do n't but and I like linux a lot but Symbian is an operating system that deserves respect and it 's dumb to believe that everything has to be done " one true way " .
The user-level programming experience is not nice due to the great efforts made to fit it onto early phone hardware ( since it has been out there long before 600Mhz ARM chips arrived that could shift the weight of Linux or OSX ) .But all of that 's changing and as a result of pretty gargantuan efforts that few pundits have any appreciation of that this rough diamond is being cut and will dazzle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am biased as I work "with it" every day.It's written in C++ and the syscalls are asynchronous by default (very very nice when you're doing lots of comms).
It has a microkernel and an extremely comprehensive api.
It's even written in C++.
The kernel is actually quite nice.So *actually* Linux is a dinosaur by comparison if you consider modern-ness to be of any importance.I don't but and I like linux a lot but Symbian is an operating system that deserves respect and it's dumb to believe that everything has to be done "one true way".
The user-level programming experience is not nice due to the great efforts made to fit it onto early phone hardware (since it has been out there long before 600Mhz ARM chips arrived that could shift the weight of Linux or OSX).But all of that's changing and as a result of pretty gargantuan efforts that few pundits have any appreciation of that this rough diamond is being cut and will dazzle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027696</id>
	<title>And yet...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265281620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mozilla has no plans to ever bring Firefox Mobile to it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mozilla has no plans to ever bring Firefox Mobile to it .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mozilla has no plans to ever bring Firefox Mobile to it.
:/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31030402</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1265299080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.</p></div><p>Or the LG PRADA form-factor, since they were before the iPhone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.Or the LG PRADA form-factor , since they were before the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone form factor is clearly where all phones are going because the screen supports the Web.Or the LG PRADA form-factor, since they were before the iPhone.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027864</id>
	<title>Yeah, but who wants it?</title>
	<author>edxwelch</author>
	<datestamp>1265282340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Symbian must be one of the worst designed OSs in existance</p><p><a href="http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html" title="roughlydrafted.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html</a> [roughlydrafted.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Symbian must be one of the worst designed OSs in existancehttp : //www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html [ roughlydrafted.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Symbian must be one of the worst designed OSs in existancehttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html [roughlydrafted.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027672</id>
	<title>Frost pi5t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265281560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Disgust, or b3en to deCline for or mislead the 'doing something' towel under the Endless conflict market share. Red [anti-slash.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Disgust , or b3en to deCline for or mislead the 'doing something ' towel under the Endless conflict market share .
Red [ anti-slash.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disgust, or b3en to deCline for or mislead the 'doing something' towel under the Endless conflict market share.
Red [anti-slash.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027064</id>
	<title>Drivers too, please!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265278320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Nokia is phone manufacturer itself and main supporter of Symbian, I really hope they open source their drivers for different phones too. Nokia is already moving in that direction with Qt and it doesn't impact their main business as a phone manufacturer. Only problem would be if those drivers use licensed patents from other manufacturers though.</p><p>Android being open source is practically useless because you cannot get drivers for any phone. Sure you can see the OS code and tinker around it (if you are able to get overly complex development environment set up), but you are unable to use it on your phone or do pretty much anything with it. It's only good for phone manufacturers.</p><p>If Nokia also were to release drivers for their phones, this would be huge victory against Android.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Nokia is phone manufacturer itself and main supporter of Symbian , I really hope they open source their drivers for different phones too .
Nokia is already moving in that direction with Qt and it does n't impact their main business as a phone manufacturer .
Only problem would be if those drivers use licensed patents from other manufacturers though.Android being open source is practically useless because you can not get drivers for any phone .
Sure you can see the OS code and tinker around it ( if you are able to get overly complex development environment set up ) , but you are unable to use it on your phone or do pretty much anything with it .
It 's only good for phone manufacturers.If Nokia also were to release drivers for their phones , this would be huge victory against Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Nokia is phone manufacturer itself and main supporter of Symbian, I really hope they open source their drivers for different phones too.
Nokia is already moving in that direction with Qt and it doesn't impact their main business as a phone manufacturer.
Only problem would be if those drivers use licensed patents from other manufacturers though.Android being open source is practically useless because you cannot get drivers for any phone.
Sure you can see the OS code and tinker around it (if you are able to get overly complex development environment set up), but you are unable to use it on your phone or do pretty much anything with it.
It's only good for phone manufacturers.If Nokia also were to release drivers for their phones, this would be huge victory against Android.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027480</id>
	<title>Symbian???</title>
	<author>Black Parrot</author>
	<datestamp>1265280360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My GF has been pestering me to buy her a <a href="http://www.sybian.com/" title="sybian.com" rel="nofollow">Symbian</a> [sybian.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My GF has been pestering me to buy her a Symbian [ sybian.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My GF has been pestering me to buy her a Symbian [sybian.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027608</id>
	<title>Re:Drivers too, please!</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1265281200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Symbian, is finding that it is loosing its once strong share in the Mobile OS Market.  They are moving to an Open Source Model in an attempt to "Firefox" their OS back to a good standing.</p><p>Sometimes it works.  Sometimes it doesn't.  However trying to go against big names like Apple, Google and RIM you need to do something.</p><p>It isn't as much as Open Source for comunity sake.  Just kinda a gap so new companies who are making mobile apps wont go with android all that quickly so they can keep their market share.  So I doubt I will see Drivers too... As they are not interested in mr. Normal Hacker who wants to tweak their phone.  But to someone who wants to make a new phone... So they would be making their own drivers.  Thus pushing market share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Symbian , is finding that it is loosing its once strong share in the Mobile OS Market .
They are moving to an Open Source Model in an attempt to " Firefox " their OS back to a good standing.Sometimes it works .
Sometimes it does n't .
However trying to go against big names like Apple , Google and RIM you need to do something.It is n't as much as Open Source for comunity sake .
Just kinda a gap so new companies who are making mobile apps wont go with android all that quickly so they can keep their market share .
So I doubt I will see Drivers too... As they are not interested in mr. Normal Hacker who wants to tweak their phone .
But to someone who wants to make a new phone... So they would be making their own drivers .
Thus pushing market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Symbian, is finding that it is loosing its once strong share in the Mobile OS Market.
They are moving to an Open Source Model in an attempt to "Firefox" their OS back to a good standing.Sometimes it works.
Sometimes it doesn't.
However trying to go against big names like Apple, Google and RIM you need to do something.It isn't as much as Open Source for comunity sake.
Just kinda a gap so new companies who are making mobile apps wont go with android all that quickly so they can keep their market share.
So I doubt I will see Drivers too... As they are not interested in mr. Normal Hacker who wants to tweak their phone.
But to someone who wants to make a new phone... So they would be making their own drivers.
Thus pushing market share.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31032470</id>
	<title>Too late</title>
	<author>pesc</author>
	<datestamp>1265363580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I wished for in 2001. If it happened then, the world of mobile OS would be different. I think it is too late to save Symbian now.</p><p><a href="http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13186&amp;cid=92580" title="slashdot.org">http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13186&amp;cid=92580</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I wished for in 2001 .
If it happened then , the world of mobile OS would be different .
I think it is too late to save Symbian now.http : //hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 13186&amp;cid = 92580 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I wished for in 2001.
If it happened then, the world of mobile OS would be different.
I think it is too late to save Symbian now.http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=13186&amp;cid=92580 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028326</id>
	<title>Re:Death rattle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265284860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand the distortion field is strong, but at least try to look at the situation objectively.</p><p>Apple devices don't do more than other devices, in fact they do less (although they do it quite well).</p><p>Symbian currently dominates the smart phone market (you can keep talking about "Feature phones" while the rest of use surf the web, play games and watch video on them), "getting killed" is a totally unsubstantiated claim.</p><p>iphone from factor maybe good, but the resolution is not really good enough for the web: the good zooming helps, but it's still band-aid. Saying that the iphone is some holy grail is idiotic, considering the speed of development in this field.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand the distortion field is strong , but at least try to look at the situation objectively.Apple devices do n't do more than other devices , in fact they do less ( although they do it quite well ) .Symbian currently dominates the smart phone market ( you can keep talking about " Feature phones " while the rest of use surf the web , play games and watch video on them ) , " getting killed " is a totally unsubstantiated claim.iphone from factor maybe good , but the resolution is not really good enough for the web : the good zooming helps , but it 's still band-aid .
Saying that the iphone is some holy grail is idiotic , considering the speed of development in this field .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand the distortion field is strong, but at least try to look at the situation objectively.Apple devices don't do more than other devices, in fact they do less (although they do it quite well).Symbian currently dominates the smart phone market (you can keep talking about "Feature phones" while the rest of use surf the web, play games and watch video on them), "getting killed" is a totally unsubstantiated claim.iphone from factor maybe good, but the resolution is not really good enough for the web: the good zooming helps, but it's still band-aid.
Saying that the iphone is some holy grail is idiotic, considering the speed of development in this field.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027476</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like overkill</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A entire OS and IDE for a glorified vibrator seems like overkill if you ask me.</p></div><p>Not if you really think about it.</p><p>If we all worked together to develop, test and maintain the best possible vibrator in the world, imagine how many girls we would get. If anything, this is what FOSS community should pick up and work on. Girls would be breaking in from doors and windows just to test our thing, and would be so pleased with the experience they would be coming back all the time.</p><p>What we need is WiFi, 3G (for doing it on-the-road), some app that gathers statistics and log data for optimization development and lastly, test subjects.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A entire OS and IDE for a glorified vibrator seems like overkill if you ask me.Not if you really think about it.If we all worked together to develop , test and maintain the best possible vibrator in the world , imagine how many girls we would get .
If anything , this is what FOSS community should pick up and work on .
Girls would be breaking in from doors and windows just to test our thing , and would be so pleased with the experience they would be coming back all the time.What we need is WiFi , 3G ( for doing it on-the-road ) , some app that gathers statistics and log data for optimization development and lastly , test subjects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A entire OS and IDE for a glorified vibrator seems like overkill if you ask me.Not if you really think about it.If we all worked together to develop, test and maintain the best possible vibrator in the world, imagine how many girls we would get.
If anything, this is what FOSS community should pick up and work on.
Girls would be breaking in from doors and windows just to test our thing, and would be so pleased with the experience they would be coming back all the time.What we need is WiFi, 3G (for doing it on-the-road), some app that gathers statistics and log data for optimization development and lastly, test subjects.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31030878</id>
	<title>MOAR MAEMO POSTS PLS. KTHX.</title>
	<author>seandiggity</author>
	<datestamp>1265303340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, we all know how cool Maemo is and how outdated Symbian is.  More FOSS out in the wild is still a *good thing*.  There are still millions of Symbian devices out there, and plenty of people who would like to hack/improve them.  This seems similar to Netscape's move to open up their code, which ultimately gave us all that Mozilla goodness.  So, you never know, this could turn out quite well for the FOSS community, even though we all know it's a desperate move and many of us aren't all that interested because we can get our hands on cooler toys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , we all know how cool Maemo is and how outdated Symbian is .
More FOSS out in the wild is still a * good thing * .
There are still millions of Symbian devices out there , and plenty of people who would like to hack/improve them .
This seems similar to Netscape 's move to open up their code , which ultimately gave us all that Mozilla goodness .
So , you never know , this could turn out quite well for the FOSS community , even though we all know it 's a desperate move and many of us are n't all that interested because we can get our hands on cooler toys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, we all know how cool Maemo is and how outdated Symbian is.
More FOSS out in the wild is still a *good thing*.
There are still millions of Symbian devices out there, and plenty of people who would like to hack/improve them.
This seems similar to Netscape's move to open up their code, which ultimately gave us all that Mozilla goodness.
So, you never know, this could turn out quite well for the FOSS community, even though we all know it's a desperate move and many of us aren't all that interested because we can get our hands on cooler toys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028104</id>
	<title>Open source is only copyrighted to defend it.</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1265283660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Code under an open-source license is still copyrighted, but with a permissive license that allows one to do some things normally reserved only for the work's copyright holder. By contrast, a work in the public domain is not covered by copyright law at all.</i></p><p>Actually PD is covered by copyright law:  It's free to modify it and assert a copyright on the "derived work" cwith the full set of copyright restrictions.  Ditto to combine it with other works - PD or not - and copyright the collection.</p><p>What this means for software is that if you PD it:<br>
&nbsp; - Somebody else can fix a bug or add a feature, copyright the fixed version, and then NOBODY ELSE, including YOU, can fix that bug or add that feature in YOUR version.<br>
&nbsp; - Somebody can make a distribution consisting of your PD software combined with that of others, copyright THAT, and then NOBODY ELSE, including YOU and the rest of the authors of the pieces, can produce a distribution structured like the copyrighted one.</p><p>So the open source licenses generally retain copyright over the original work and require the additions to be made open (for some value of open) as well, as "payment" for using the underlying work.  Some of them also try to more things (like push for as much software as possible to be opened), but this is the main point.</p><p>If copyright wasn't applicable to software the open source licenses wouldn't be needed to defend against these threats.  (We'd lose the requirement for the source to go out, but gain the ability to reverse-engineer everything and publish the "recovered source".)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Code under an open-source license is still copyrighted , but with a permissive license that allows one to do some things normally reserved only for the work 's copyright holder .
By contrast , a work in the public domain is not covered by copyright law at all.Actually PD is covered by copyright law : It 's free to modify it and assert a copyright on the " derived work " cwith the full set of copyright restrictions .
Ditto to combine it with other works - PD or not - and copyright the collection.What this means for software is that if you PD it :   - Somebody else can fix a bug or add a feature , copyright the fixed version , and then NOBODY ELSE , including YOU , can fix that bug or add that feature in YOUR version .
  - Somebody can make a distribution consisting of your PD software combined with that of others , copyright THAT , and then NOBODY ELSE , including YOU and the rest of the authors of the pieces , can produce a distribution structured like the copyrighted one.So the open source licenses generally retain copyright over the original work and require the additions to be made open ( for some value of open ) as well , as " payment " for using the underlying work .
Some of them also try to more things ( like push for as much software as possible to be opened ) , but this is the main point.If copyright was n't applicable to software the open source licenses would n't be needed to defend against these threats .
( We 'd lose the requirement for the source to go out , but gain the ability to reverse-engineer everything and publish the " recovered source " .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Code under an open-source license is still copyrighted, but with a permissive license that allows one to do some things normally reserved only for the work's copyright holder.
By contrast, a work in the public domain is not covered by copyright law at all.Actually PD is covered by copyright law:  It's free to modify it and assert a copyright on the "derived work" cwith the full set of copyright restrictions.
Ditto to combine it with other works - PD or not - and copyright the collection.What this means for software is that if you PD it:
  - Somebody else can fix a bug or add a feature, copyright the fixed version, and then NOBODY ELSE, including YOU, can fix that bug or add that feature in YOUR version.
  - Somebody can make a distribution consisting of your PD software combined with that of others, copyright THAT, and then NOBODY ELSE, including YOU and the rest of the authors of the pieces, can produce a distribution structured like the copyrighted one.So the open source licenses generally retain copyright over the original work and require the additions to be made open (for some value of open) as well, as "payment" for using the underlying work.
Some of them also try to more things (like push for as much software as possible to be opened), but this is the main point.If copyright wasn't applicable to software the open source licenses wouldn't be needed to defend against these threats.
(We'd lose the requirement for the source to go out, but gain the ability to reverse-engineer everything and publish the "recovered source".
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31028218</id>
	<title>Hyperbole Fanboys</title>
	<author>dysonlu</author>
	<datestamp>1265284140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"getting killed by Apple"

It's amazing how much Apple fanboys love to speak in hyperbole.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" getting killed by Apple " It 's amazing how much Apple fanboys love to speak in hyperbole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"getting killed by Apple"

It's amazing how much Apple fanboys love to speak in hyperbole.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31027108</id>
	<title>Seems like overkill</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265278440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A entire OS and IDE for a glorified vibrator seems like overkill if you ask me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A entire OS and IDE for a glorified vibrator seems like overkill if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A entire OS and IDE for a glorified vibrator seems like overkill if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31029284</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like overkill</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1265290500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You make no sense: Doesn't the existence a really good and satisfying vibrator somewhat reduce the frequency of actual humans getting laid?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You make no sense : Does n't the existence a really good and satisfying vibrator somewhat reduce the frequency of actual humans getting laid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make no sense: Doesn't the existence a really good and satisfying vibrator somewhat reduce the frequency of actual humans getting laid?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_2032209.31030348</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, but who wants it?</title>
	<author>exomondo</author>
	<datestamp>1265298360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Symbian must be one of the worst designed OSs in existance</p><p> <a href="http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html" title="roughlydrafted.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html</a> [roughlydrafted.com] </p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>In Symbian when a error is signaled with a leave (&lsquo;throw an exception&rsquo;) no objects are deallocated. They just leak, if you don't manually record each object allocated to be cleaned up. This process is extremely tedious, error prone and boring. The result is that it's very hard and time consuming to make correct programs in Symbian, on the verge to be impossible in many cases.</p></div><p>I have to take issue with the credibility of the writer here. He is apparently an experienced c++ programmer however he believes that without the standard c++ exception implementation it can be almost impossible to write 'correct' programs, well exceptions are - and the clue is in the name - meant for 'exceptional circumstances' only, not for standard error handling, so anyone who can't write a 'correct' program without relying on the use of exceptions is not doing it right, in the general course of a program running, exceptions should NOT occur. That said, nokia's implementation is not ideal, but further to that point they probably had little choice given the early adoption of such a young language.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Symbian must be one of the worst designed OSs in existance http : //www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html [ roughlydrafted.com ] In Symbian when a error is signaled with a leave (    throw an exception    ) no objects are deallocated .
They just leak , if you do n't manually record each object allocated to be cleaned up .
This process is extremely tedious , error prone and boring .
The result is that it 's very hard and time consuming to make correct programs in Symbian , on the verge to be impossible in many cases.I have to take issue with the credibility of the writer here .
He is apparently an experienced c + + programmer however he believes that without the standard c + + exception implementation it can be almost impossible to write 'correct ' programs , well exceptions are - and the clue is in the name - meant for 'exceptional circumstances ' only , not for standard error handling , so anyone who ca n't write a 'correct ' program without relying on the use of exceptions is not doing it right , in the general course of a program running , exceptions should NOT occur .
That said , nokia 's implementation is not ideal , but further to that point they probably had little choice given the early adoption of such a young language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Symbian must be one of the worst designed OSs in existance http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/6856C375-FE4E-4BC8-B753-B48AF3BD8B30.html [roughlydrafted.com] In Symbian when a error is signaled with a leave (‘throw an exception’) no objects are deallocated.
They just leak, if you don't manually record each object allocated to be cleaned up.
This process is extremely tedious, error prone and boring.
The result is that it's very hard and time consuming to make correct programs in Symbian, on the verge to be impossible in many cases.I have to take issue with the credibility of the writer here.
He is apparently an experienced c++ programmer however he believes that without the standard c++ exception implementation it can be almost impossible to write 'correct' programs, well exceptions are - and the clue is in the name - meant for 'exceptional circumstances' only, not for standard error handling, so anyone who can't write a 'correct' program without relying on the use of exceptions is not doing it right, in the general course of a program running, exceptions should NOT occur.
That said, nokia's implementation is not ideal, but further to that point they probably had little choice given the early adoption of such a young language.
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