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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_04_1847254</id>
	<title>House Overwhelmingly Passes Cybersecurity Bill</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265310000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"The Caucus, a NY Times Blog, is <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/house-passes-cybersecurity-bill/">reporting on the overwhelming majority vote (422 yeas) the House gave a new cybersecurity bill</a>.  <a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-4061">The Cybersecurity Enhancement Act, H.R. 4061</a> has a number of interesting provisions.  Representative Michael Arcuri, a Democrat of New York who sponsored the bill called cybersecurity the 'Manhattan Project of our generation' and estimated the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies.  The new bill 'authorizes one single entity, the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " The Caucus , a NY Times Blog , is reporting on the overwhelming majority vote ( 422 yeas ) the House gave a new cybersecurity bill .
The Cybersecurity Enhancement Act , H.R .
4061 has a number of interesting provisions .
Representative Michael Arcuri , a Democrat of New York who sponsored the bill called cybersecurity the 'Manhattan Project of our generation ' and estimated the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors ' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies .
The new bill 'authorizes one single entity , the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology , to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "The Caucus, a NY Times Blog, is reporting on the overwhelming majority vote (422 yeas) the House gave a new cybersecurity bill.
The Cybersecurity Enhancement Act, H.R.
4061 has a number of interesting provisions.
Representative Michael Arcuri, a Democrat of New York who sponsored the bill called cybersecurity the 'Manhattan Project of our generation' and estimated the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies.
The new bill 'authorizes one single entity, the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029590</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>FatherDale</author>
	<datestamp>1265292300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The State Dept DOES listen to NIST, and was the first federal agency to adopt the NIST SP800 series as the primary guidance for information security issues. State also made up 100\% of the panel that built the CAP certification, and built it mainly on SP 800-37.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The State Dept DOES listen to NIST , and was the first federal agency to adopt the NIST SP800 series as the primary guidance for information security issues .
State also made up 100 \ % of the panel that built the CAP certification , and built it mainly on SP 800-37 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The State Dept DOES listen to NIST, and was the first federal agency to adopt the NIST SP800 series as the primary guidance for information security issues.
State also made up 100\% of the panel that built the CAP certification, and built it mainly on SP 800-37.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025774</id>
	<title>the 'Manhattan Project of our generation'</title>
	<author>KharmaWidow</author>
	<datestamp>1265316120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So does this mean that they are trying to wreck havoc on our  lives like nuclear bombs have?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Wars, threats of terrorism, devastating economic sanctions, preemptive wars, and cold wars?</p><p>Reminds me of the DEVO song "It's a Beautiful Life"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So does this mean that they are trying to wreck havoc on our lives like nuclear bombs have ?
...Wars , threats of terrorism , devastating economic sanctions , preemptive wars , and cold wars ? Reminds me of the DEVO song " It 's a Beautiful Life "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So does this mean that they are trying to wreck havoc on our  lives like nuclear bombs have?
...Wars, threats of terrorism, devastating economic sanctions, preemptive wars, and cold wars?Reminds me of the DEVO song "It's a Beautiful Life"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025592</id>
	<title>Re:OutSource 'em!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope you're not marked as funny, since strangely enough this likely isn't a joke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope you 're not marked as funny , since strangely enough this likely is n't a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope you're not marked as funny, since strangely enough this likely isn't a joke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026192</id>
	<title>Re:Cyber Warrior positions available?</title>
	<author>ArundelCastle</author>
	<datestamp>1265274660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you imagine handing out shiny new business cards?<br>-----<br>[DHS logo]</p><p>Bill "FraggleR0x0rs" Ferguson</p><p>Cyber Warrior<br>U.S. Government</p><p>Cell: ###   Skype: ###   AIM: ###<br>-----</p><p>Dude, awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you imagine handing out shiny new business cards ? ----- [ DHS logo ] Bill " FraggleR0x0rs " FergusonCyber WarriorU.S .
GovernmentCell : # # # Skype : # # # AIM : # # # -----Dude , awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you imagine handing out shiny new business cards?-----[DHS logo]Bill "FraggleR0x0rs" FergusonCyber WarriorU.S.
GovernmentCell: ###   Skype: ###   AIM: ###-----Dude, awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026530</id>
	<title>Re:Why Icecream has no bones</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1265276100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do I have to do this? I don't know, but I do.  Alas, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth\_Cleveland" title="wikipedia.org">Ruth Cleveland</a> [wikipedia.org] died in 1904, while the Baby Ruth candybar made its debut in 1921. Its predecessor dates back to 1916 presumably, at the founding of Curiss Candy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do I have to do this ?
I do n't know , but I do .
Alas , Ruth Cleveland [ wikipedia.org ] died in 1904 , while the Baby Ruth candybar made its debut in 1921 .
Its predecessor dates back to 1916 presumably , at the founding of Curiss Candy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do I have to do this?
I don't know, but I do.
Alas, Ruth Cleveland [wikipedia.org] died in 1904, while the Baby Ruth candybar made its debut in 1921.
Its predecessor dates back to 1916 presumably, at the founding of Curiss Candy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026944</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>TheNarrator</author>
	<datestamp>1265277660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Treaties are really awful, they are the big loophole in the constitution by which tyranny can be introduced.</p><p><a href="http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article4.html" title="jpands.org">http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article4.html</a> [jpands.org]</p><p>Article VI, paragraph 2 actually stipulates on the issue: "...all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution [of any State] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding. [Emphasis added.]"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Treaties are really awful , they are the big loophole in the constitution by which tyranny can be introduced.http : //www.jpands.org/hacienda/article4.html [ jpands.org ] Article VI , paragraph 2 actually stipulates on the issue : " ...all Treaties made , or which shall be made , under the Authority of the United States , shall be the supreme Law of the Land ; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby , any Thing in the Constitution [ of any State ] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding .
[ Emphasis added .
] "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Treaties are really awful, they are the big loophole in the constitution by which tyranny can be introduced.http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article4.html [jpands.org]Article VI, paragraph 2 actually stipulates on the issue: "...all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution [of any State] or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
[Emphasis added.
]"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027358</id>
	<title>Re:Separating reality and fantasy</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1265279580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I hear politicians calling soldiers "warriors" it makes me want to puke, as well.  Being a soldier has been (and still is) a noble short-term profession.  But we should always look at employing soldiers as, at best, a necessary evil.  Give the guys that do it respect, but don't elevate them to exalted levels.  And make no mistake, using the term "warrior" seeks to do this.  We should <i>never</i> elevate the military above the political.  I don't want to become an empire ruled by exalted military commanders (though the Congress seems to be showing too much deference and moving in this direction these days).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I hear politicians calling soldiers " warriors " it makes me want to puke , as well .
Being a soldier has been ( and still is ) a noble short-term profession .
But we should always look at employing soldiers as , at best , a necessary evil .
Give the guys that do it respect , but do n't elevate them to exalted levels .
And make no mistake , using the term " warrior " seeks to do this .
We should never elevate the military above the political .
I do n't want to become an empire ruled by exalted military commanders ( though the Congress seems to be showing too much deference and moving in this direction these days ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I hear politicians calling soldiers "warriors" it makes me want to puke, as well.
Being a soldier has been (and still is) a noble short-term profession.
But we should always look at employing soldiers as, at best, a necessary evil.
Give the guys that do it respect, but don't elevate them to exalted levels.
And make no mistake, using the term "warrior" seeks to do this.
We should never elevate the military above the political.
I don't want to become an empire ruled by exalted military commanders (though the Congress seems to be showing too much deference and moving in this direction these days).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025894</id>
	<title>WHO THE FUCK CARES</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265316660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>about a stupid tv show?</htmltext>
<tokenext>about a stupid tv show ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>about a stupid tv show?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027334</id>
	<title>Re:What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265279460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like a Cyber Paladin, but can't cast any spells and better weapon proficiencies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like a Cyber Paladin , but ca n't cast any spells and better weapon proficiencies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like a Cyber Paladin, but can't cast any spells and better weapon proficiencies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025426</id>
	<title>OutSource 'em!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265313780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies."</p><p>Hey, there is plenty of skilled cyber warriors in China, India and Eastern Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors ' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies .
" Hey , there is plenty of skilled cyber warriors in China , India and Eastern Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies.
"Hey, there is plenty of skilled cyber warriors in China, India and Eastern Europe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029128</id>
	<title>Re:Separating reality and fantasy</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265289480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they where throughinh 1000 people at on single project, you would be correct.</p><p>This is about 100's of new projects and needing the man power. You can have multiple teams working on separate projects and be successful.</p><p>Please tell me you don't think 1000 people will al be working on the same project? That would be a hell of a funny way to do paired programming.</p><p>Yes, cyber warrior is a lame name. No doubt about it.</p><p>OTOH:<br>"Cyber Warrior needs Dew, badly"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they where throughinh 1000 people at on single project , you would be correct.This is about 100 's of new projects and needing the man power .
You can have multiple teams working on separate projects and be successful.Please tell me you do n't think 1000 people will al be working on the same project ?
That would be a hell of a funny way to do paired programming.Yes , cyber warrior is a lame name .
No doubt about it.OTOH : " Cyber Warrior needs Dew , badly "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they where throughinh 1000 people at on single project, you would be correct.This is about 100's of new projects and needing the man power.
You can have multiple teams working on separate projects and be successful.Please tell me you don't think 1000 people will al be working on the same project?
That would be a hell of a funny way to do paired programming.Yes, cyber warrior is a lame name.
No doubt about it.OTOH:"Cyber Warrior needs Dew, badly"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025870</id>
	<title>Re:Cyber Warriors....</title>
	<author>sconeu</author>
	<datestamp>1265316540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alas, most Slashdotters are too young to get <a href="http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0080120/" title="imdb.com">your reference</a> [imdb.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alas , most Slashdotters are too young to get your reference [ imdb.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alas, most Slashdotters are too young to get your reference [imdb.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025598</id>
	<title>Orders?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The new bill 'authorizes one single entity, the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and <b>orders the White House office of technology</b> to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research</i></p><p>I wasn't aware that Congress could order the White House to do anything. What part of the Constitution gives it this power? What about "separation of powers"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new bill 'authorizes one single entity , the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology , to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future researchI was n't aware that Congress could order the White House to do anything .
What part of the Constitution gives it this power ?
What about " separation of powers " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new bill 'authorizes one single entity, the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future researchI wasn't aware that Congress could order the White House to do anything.
What part of the Constitution gives it this power?
What about "separation of powers"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025538</id>
	<title>Re:I need a job and this one fits my life to a tee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="https://www.sfs.opm.gov/" title="opm.gov" rel="nofollow">https://www.sfs.opm.gov/</a> [opm.gov]</p><p>I went through this program.  Got a FREE MS in CompSci in 3 semesters, interned at NIST for a summer and ended up working for NSF for a couple years.  Started at NSF and a GS-9, was GS-12 within 2 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //www.sfs.opm.gov/ [ opm.gov ] I went through this program .
Got a FREE MS in CompSci in 3 semesters , interned at NIST for a summer and ended up working for NSF for a couple years .
Started at NSF and a GS-9 , was GS-12 within 2 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://www.sfs.opm.gov/ [opm.gov]I went through this program.
Got a FREE MS in CompSci in 3 semesters, interned at NIST for a summer and ended up working for NSF for a couple years.
Started at NSF and a GS-9, was GS-12 within 2 years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025838</id>
	<title>Re:Shivers...</title>
	<author>BerneAI</author>
	<datestamp>1265316360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why should it...the bill, like those that passed it, is meaningless. passed by the clueless, to impress the uninformed, or uniformed, your choice. more drivel....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why should it...the bill , like those that passed it , is meaningless .
passed by the clueless , to impress the uninformed , or uniformed , your choice .
more drivel... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why should it...the bill, like those that passed it, is meaningless.
passed by the clueless, to impress the uninformed, or uniformed, your choice.
more drivel....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025416</id>
	<title>Why Icecream has no bones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265313720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Federal Food Safety Act of 1921 prohibited bone-in ice cream and all ice cream and ice cream novelties had to be sold boneless after that.</p><p>There was an interesting turn of events that led to the Federal Food Safety Act of 1921. Evidently Grover Cleveland , who was the US President at that time, had a daughter named Ruth.</p><p>Ruth was very fond of ice cream, which back then was a rarity because electric refrigeration was not yet largely available to the public. They had to haul ice from the frozen lakes on mountains down to where the homes where at, in order to make ice cream. But I'm getting off onto another subject.</p><p>Anyway - the ice cream they made back then naturally had bones in it - how else would you make ice cream? Normally this was not an issue - every child back then knew how to hold a drumstick ice cream cone at the bottom and lick around the bone so that they would not accidentally choke on it. Although it was possible to make ice cream with out bones - it was very expensive to do it because only the Chinese craftsmen, who invented ice cream, were clever enough to debone and ice cream drumstick and not make a mess of it.</p><p>So anyway - Ruth was eating an ice cream cone at the exact instant her father was elected president of the United States. So shocked was she, that she accidentally swallowed the bone from the ice cream and began to choke.</p><p>Luckily, Henry Heimlich Sr. (Father of Henry Heimlich Jr, inventor of the Heimlich maneuver) was nearby and was able to expel the bone from the windpipe of young Ms Cleveland and save her from certain death.</p><p>Well - this was a great thing that Henry Heimlich had done, saving the daughter of the President of the United States. However, Grover Cleveland was away for his inauguration while this happened and wasn't aware of it for several months afterward - when his daughter retold the story of how she almost died from an ice cream bone. Grover was pretty busy at the time and really didn't pay much attention to this until around the time of Ruth's next birthday.</p><p>Taking time away from the war, Grover Cleveland asked his daughter what she wanted for her birthday. Giving it some thought, young Ruth finally said "Daddy, I want an sweet snack that I can eat that won't cause me to choke again." It was then when President Cleveland remembered the incident she told him of many months earlier.</p><p>He asked Ruth - "What kind of ice cream were you eating when you almost died?" She told her dad she was eating a chocolate covered ice cream cone with nuts and caramel in it.</p><p>Ruth's father thought about this and called his old friend James Curtis who owned the Curtis Candy Company in Chicago to see what could be done on Ruth's request.</p><p>James told Grover that he would get back to him after trying out a few things, and they hung up the phone which only recently had been invented.</p><p>While James Curtis was working on a treat in which Ruth would not possibly choke on - President Cleveland was bothered by the fact that if his adorable daughter almost died from eating ice cream with the bone still in - that there must be other children suffering the same fate.</p><p>So - President Cleveland called up congress and told them he wanted them to pass a bill to outlaw bones in ice cream in an effort to save the children of the United States the dangers of choking on ice cream bones.</p><p>Congress said "say what..??" But they decided there was something they could do and they hung up their phone. Congress and the president and the Curtis Candy Company had phones back then -but not many other people.</p><p>So about that time - James Curtis called the President with the news that he had come up with a candy bar, with chocolate and nuts and caramel with NO BONES in it what so ever! And his daughter could eat them and not be afraid of choking on the bones because it had no bones.!</p><p>President Cleveland told James Curtis to bring his newly invented confection to the White House and to come as quickly as possible because his daughter's birthday was n</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Federal Food Safety Act of 1921 prohibited bone-in ice cream and all ice cream and ice cream novelties had to be sold boneless after that.There was an interesting turn of events that led to the Federal Food Safety Act of 1921 .
Evidently Grover Cleveland , who was the US President at that time , had a daughter named Ruth.Ruth was very fond of ice cream , which back then was a rarity because electric refrigeration was not yet largely available to the public .
They had to haul ice from the frozen lakes on mountains down to where the homes where at , in order to make ice cream .
But I 'm getting off onto another subject.Anyway - the ice cream they made back then naturally had bones in it - how else would you make ice cream ?
Normally this was not an issue - every child back then knew how to hold a drumstick ice cream cone at the bottom and lick around the bone so that they would not accidentally choke on it .
Although it was possible to make ice cream with out bones - it was very expensive to do it because only the Chinese craftsmen , who invented ice cream , were clever enough to debone and ice cream drumstick and not make a mess of it.So anyway - Ruth was eating an ice cream cone at the exact instant her father was elected president of the United States .
So shocked was she , that she accidentally swallowed the bone from the ice cream and began to choke.Luckily , Henry Heimlich Sr. ( Father of Henry Heimlich Jr , inventor of the Heimlich maneuver ) was nearby and was able to expel the bone from the windpipe of young Ms Cleveland and save her from certain death.Well - this was a great thing that Henry Heimlich had done , saving the daughter of the President of the United States .
However , Grover Cleveland was away for his inauguration while this happened and was n't aware of it for several months afterward - when his daughter retold the story of how she almost died from an ice cream bone .
Grover was pretty busy at the time and really did n't pay much attention to this until around the time of Ruth 's next birthday.Taking time away from the war , Grover Cleveland asked his daughter what she wanted for her birthday .
Giving it some thought , young Ruth finally said " Daddy , I want an sweet snack that I can eat that wo n't cause me to choke again .
" It was then when President Cleveland remembered the incident she told him of many months earlier.He asked Ruth - " What kind of ice cream were you eating when you almost died ?
" She told her dad she was eating a chocolate covered ice cream cone with nuts and caramel in it.Ruth 's father thought about this and called his old friend James Curtis who owned the Curtis Candy Company in Chicago to see what could be done on Ruth 's request.James told Grover that he would get back to him after trying out a few things , and they hung up the phone which only recently had been invented.While James Curtis was working on a treat in which Ruth would not possibly choke on - President Cleveland was bothered by the fact that if his adorable daughter almost died from eating ice cream with the bone still in - that there must be other children suffering the same fate.So - President Cleveland called up congress and told them he wanted them to pass a bill to outlaw bones in ice cream in an effort to save the children of the United States the dangers of choking on ice cream bones.Congress said " say what.. ? ?
" But they decided there was something they could do and they hung up their phone .
Congress and the president and the Curtis Candy Company had phones back then -but not many other people.So about that time - James Curtis called the President with the news that he had come up with a candy bar , with chocolate and nuts and caramel with NO BONES in it what so ever !
And his daughter could eat them and not be afraid of choking on the bones because it had no bones .
! President Cleveland told James Curtis to bring his newly invented confection to the White House and to come as quickly as possible because his daughter 's birthday was n</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Federal Food Safety Act of 1921 prohibited bone-in ice cream and all ice cream and ice cream novelties had to be sold boneless after that.There was an interesting turn of events that led to the Federal Food Safety Act of 1921.
Evidently Grover Cleveland , who was the US President at that time, had a daughter named Ruth.Ruth was very fond of ice cream, which back then was a rarity because electric refrigeration was not yet largely available to the public.
They had to haul ice from the frozen lakes on mountains down to where the homes where at, in order to make ice cream.
But I'm getting off onto another subject.Anyway - the ice cream they made back then naturally had bones in it - how else would you make ice cream?
Normally this was not an issue - every child back then knew how to hold a drumstick ice cream cone at the bottom and lick around the bone so that they would not accidentally choke on it.
Although it was possible to make ice cream with out bones - it was very expensive to do it because only the Chinese craftsmen, who invented ice cream, were clever enough to debone and ice cream drumstick and not make a mess of it.So anyway - Ruth was eating an ice cream cone at the exact instant her father was elected president of the United States.
So shocked was she, that she accidentally swallowed the bone from the ice cream and began to choke.Luckily, Henry Heimlich Sr. (Father of Henry Heimlich Jr, inventor of the Heimlich maneuver) was nearby and was able to expel the bone from the windpipe of young Ms Cleveland and save her from certain death.Well - this was a great thing that Henry Heimlich had done, saving the daughter of the President of the United States.
However, Grover Cleveland was away for his inauguration while this happened and wasn't aware of it for several months afterward - when his daughter retold the story of how she almost died from an ice cream bone.
Grover was pretty busy at the time and really didn't pay much attention to this until around the time of Ruth's next birthday.Taking time away from the war, Grover Cleveland asked his daughter what she wanted for her birthday.
Giving it some thought, young Ruth finally said "Daddy, I want an sweet snack that I can eat that won't cause me to choke again.
" It was then when President Cleveland remembered the incident she told him of many months earlier.He asked Ruth - "What kind of ice cream were you eating when you almost died?
" She told her dad she was eating a chocolate covered ice cream cone with nuts and caramel in it.Ruth's father thought about this and called his old friend James Curtis who owned the Curtis Candy Company in Chicago to see what could be done on Ruth's request.James told Grover that he would get back to him after trying out a few things, and they hung up the phone which only recently had been invented.While James Curtis was working on a treat in which Ruth would not possibly choke on - President Cleveland was bothered by the fact that if his adorable daughter almost died from eating ice cream with the bone still in - that there must be other children suffering the same fate.So - President Cleveland called up congress and told them he wanted them to pass a bill to outlaw bones in ice cream in an effort to save the children of the United States the dangers of choking on ice cream bones.Congress said "say what..??
" But they decided there was something they could do and they hung up their phone.
Congress and the president and the Curtis Candy Company had phones back then -but not many other people.So about that time - James Curtis called the President with the news that he had come up with a candy bar, with chocolate and nuts and caramel with NO BONES in it what so ever!
And his daughter could eat them and not be afraid of choking on the bones because it had no bones.
!President Cleveland told James Curtis to bring his newly invented confection to the White House and to come as quickly as possible because his daughter's birthday was n</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025736</id>
	<title>What the * is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265315760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just saying it does not make it mean something. We need a new congress.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just saying it does not make it mean something .
We need a new congress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just saying it does not make it mean something.
We need a new congress.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025426</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025450</id>
	<title>I need a job and this one fits my life to a tee.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265313900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where do I sign up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do I sign up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do I sign up?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31028312</id>
	<title>Re:I'll be your John Wayne</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265284800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Join the Navy or Air Force, get yourself stationed at Fort Meade for JFCC-NW.  But you have to live with a normal pen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Join the Navy or Air Force , get yourself stationed at Fort Meade for JFCC-NW .
But you have to live with a normal pen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Join the Navy or Air Force, get yourself stationed at Fort Meade for JFCC-NW.
But you have to live with a normal pen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027618</id>
	<title>Underlying problem remains unsolved</title>
	<author>indil</author>
	<datestamp>1265281260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>'Cyber', 'warriors', and 'troops' are embarrassing and funny, however this bill's focus on educating people about these issues is laudable, and I'm glad malicious behavior in other countries is a growing concern. But the way I see it, computer security laws disincentivize us from innovating technologies that remove known exploits, and instead we patch things up and wait for the same exploit to show up another day.  Buffer overflows, injection attacks, spam, denial of service, malware, viruses, these are things we've chosen to prevent by punishment, rather than by enforcing survival of the fittest for the underlying technologies. I will have to deal with spam probably for the rest of my life, because law enforcement can only target so many spammers, and the smaller ones can get by.  The responsibility is on the government to enforce good behavior, so there's no incentive for us to make anything better for ourselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'Cyber ' , 'warriors ' , and 'troops ' are embarrassing and funny , however this bill 's focus on educating people about these issues is laudable , and I 'm glad malicious behavior in other countries is a growing concern .
But the way I see it , computer security laws disincentivize us from innovating technologies that remove known exploits , and instead we patch things up and wait for the same exploit to show up another day .
Buffer overflows , injection attacks , spam , denial of service , malware , viruses , these are things we 've chosen to prevent by punishment , rather than by enforcing survival of the fittest for the underlying technologies .
I will have to deal with spam probably for the rest of my life , because law enforcement can only target so many spammers , and the smaller ones can get by .
The responsibility is on the government to enforce good behavior , so there 's no incentive for us to make anything better for ourselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Cyber', 'warriors', and 'troops' are embarrassing and funny, however this bill's focus on educating people about these issues is laudable, and I'm glad malicious behavior in other countries is a growing concern.
But the way I see it, computer security laws disincentivize us from innovating technologies that remove known exploits, and instead we patch things up and wait for the same exploit to show up another day.
Buffer overflows, injection attacks, spam, denial of service, malware, viruses, these are things we've chosen to prevent by punishment, rather than by enforcing survival of the fittest for the underlying technologies.
I will have to deal with spam probably for the rest of my life, because law enforcement can only target so many spammers, and the smaller ones can get by.
The responsibility is on the government to enforce good behavior, so there's no incentive for us to make anything better for ourselves.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027330</id>
	<title>Re:What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1265279460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?</p><p>Somebody who understands how all the Internet protocols work (ssh/sshd, smtp, inet). If you have a Linux system, look at your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/services file. Do you know what all those protocols are? Look in your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/ssh directory. Are there files there? What are the *\_key, *\_key.pub files for? What are the hosts.allow, hosts.deny files in your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc directory for? What is selinux? Or the smb.conf file?<br>Do you what all the RFC files are for? What is your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/hosts file for? What is dhcp, and how does dynamic IP address allocation work? What is a DHCP server? What is postfix? How would you tell if any of those files were misconfigured or compromised?</p><p>What are the vulnerabilities in all the source code that these are implemented in? How would you look for them? How is malicious code written? In what way can code take advantage of the hardware (Some time ago, there was a security fault where a program could generate a page fault, the kernel interrupt handling this event wouldn't restore the user ID, and thus granted root ownership to the process).</p><p>That is just barely describing the functionality of a basic home Linux system for personal use, let alone a commercial web server, which will have multiple backups (CPU's, disk drives, network connections, backups).</p><p>For someone to gain access and control of a web server, all they have to do is to get a single executable bit of code to execute on that system, that can receive commands from outside, perhaps even allowing remote login.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone tell me WTF a " Cyber-Warrior " is ? Somebody who understands how all the Internet protocols work ( ssh/sshd , smtp , inet ) .
If you have a Linux system , look at your /etc/services file .
Do you know what all those protocols are ?
Look in your /etc/ssh directory .
Are there files there ?
What are the * \ _key , * \ _key.pub files for ?
What are the hosts.allow , hosts.deny files in your /etc directory for ?
What is selinux ?
Or the smb.conf file ? Do you what all the RFC files are for ?
What is your /etc/hosts file for ?
What is dhcp , and how does dynamic IP address allocation work ?
What is a DHCP server ?
What is postfix ?
How would you tell if any of those files were misconfigured or compromised ? What are the vulnerabilities in all the source code that these are implemented in ?
How would you look for them ?
How is malicious code written ?
In what way can code take advantage of the hardware ( Some time ago , there was a security fault where a program could generate a page fault , the kernel interrupt handling this event would n't restore the user ID , and thus granted root ownership to the process ) .That is just barely describing the functionality of a basic home Linux system for personal use , let alone a commercial web server , which will have multiple backups ( CPU 's , disk drives , network connections , backups ) .For someone to gain access and control of a web server , all they have to do is to get a single executable bit of code to execute on that system , that can receive commands from outside , perhaps even allowing remote login .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?Somebody who understands how all the Internet protocols work (ssh/sshd, smtp, inet).
If you have a Linux system, look at your /etc/services file.
Do you know what all those protocols are?
Look in your /etc/ssh directory.
Are there files there?
What are the *\_key, *\_key.pub files for?
What are the hosts.allow, hosts.deny files in your /etc directory for?
What is selinux?
Or the smb.conf file?Do you what all the RFC files are for?
What is your /etc/hosts file for?
What is dhcp, and how does dynamic IP address allocation work?
What is a DHCP server?
What is postfix?
How would you tell if any of those files were misconfigured or compromised?What are the vulnerabilities in all the source code that these are implemented in?
How would you look for them?
How is malicious code written?
In what way can code take advantage of the hardware (Some time ago, there was a security fault where a program could generate a page fault, the kernel interrupt handling this event wouldn't restore the user ID, and thus granted root ownership to the process).That is just barely describing the functionality of a basic home Linux system for personal use, let alone a commercial web server, which will have multiple backups (CPU's, disk drives, network connections, backups).For someone to gain access and control of a web server, all they have to do is to get a single executable bit of code to execute on that system, that can receive commands from outside, perhaps even allowing remote login.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025730</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026360</id>
	<title>Re:What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Akita24</author>
	<datestamp>1265275440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like a Road Warrior only different.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like a Road Warrior only different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like a Road Warrior only different.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025730</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027796</id>
	<title>Re:I'll be your John Wayne</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1265282100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm ready to serve my country. But if you want me on the team I'll need Top Secret clearance, one of those cool James Bond gun pens, a military uniform so I can get laid in bars, and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos.</p></div></blockquote><p>Sorry, with your physique the military uniform will only get you laughed at in some bars and beaten up in others.  Back in the day the Top Secret clearance might have gotten you laid by one of the KGBs finest, but I think they've cut the budget for that.  And you'd probably just shoot your balls off with the pen gun, so you're not getting it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm ready to serve my country .
But if you want me on the team I 'll need Top Secret clearance , one of those cool James Bond gun pens , a military uniform so I can get laid in bars , and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos.Sorry , with your physique the military uniform will only get you laughed at in some bars and beaten up in others .
Back in the day the Top Secret clearance might have gotten you laid by one of the KGBs finest , but I think they 've cut the budget for that .
And you 'd probably just shoot your balls off with the pen gun , so you 're not getting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm ready to serve my country.
But if you want me on the team I'll need Top Secret clearance, one of those cool James Bond gun pens, a military uniform so I can get laid in bars, and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos.Sorry, with your physique the military uniform will only get you laughed at in some bars and beaten up in others.
Back in the day the Top Secret clearance might have gotten you laid by one of the KGBs finest, but I think they've cut the budget for that.
And you'd probably just shoot your balls off with the pen gun, so you're not getting it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026292</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026374</id>
	<title>too coincidental</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265275440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone else also think its entirely too coincidental for the progress of the new cybersecurity bill, that a large scale hack of a giant US company (Google) was supposedly perpetrated by a comunist country a mere couple of weeks before the bill goes before the house?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else also think its entirely too coincidental for the progress of the new cybersecurity bill , that a large scale hack of a giant US company ( Google ) was supposedly perpetrated by a comunist country a mere couple of weeks before the bill goes before the house ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else also think its entirely too coincidental for the progress of the new cybersecurity bill, that a large scale hack of a giant US company (Google) was supposedly perpetrated by a comunist country a mere couple of weeks before the bill goes before the house?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027310</id>
	<title>Alternative to the Bill?</title>
	<author>myspace-cn</author>
	<datestamp>1265279340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for windows put boxes behind hardware firewalls and keep them updated with wu and secunia psi<br>for linux boxes iptables + filters<br>for fbsd pf<br>for passwords keepassx burnt to CD<br>for banking a VM<br>for shoping a VM<br>for taxes a VM<br>for data a clone backup</p><p>The problem is there's no leadership because everyone's become frickin fascists instead of engineers. Allowing laws to be nanny state instead of following the constitution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for windows put boxes behind hardware firewalls and keep them updated with wu and secunia psifor linux boxes iptables + filtersfor fbsd pffor passwords keepassx burnt to CDfor banking a VMfor shoping a VMfor taxes a VMfor data a clone backupThe problem is there 's no leadership because everyone 's become frickin fascists instead of engineers .
Allowing laws to be nanny state instead of following the constitution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for windows put boxes behind hardware firewalls and keep them updated with wu and secunia psifor linux boxes iptables + filtersfor fbsd pffor passwords keepassx burnt to CDfor banking a VMfor shoping a VMfor taxes a VMfor data a clone backupThe problem is there's no leadership because everyone's become frickin fascists instead of engineers.
Allowing laws to be nanny state instead of following the constitution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029190</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265289840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't say this often, but you should be banned from the internet.</p><p>A new body, sheeesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't say this often , but you should be banned from the internet.A new body , sheeesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't say this often, but you should be banned from the internet.A new body, sheeesh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026428</id>
	<title>No differnt to a state post office</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265275620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Usually a country's post office is given powers to represent the country in international postal negotiations and the UPU.  This seems to be no different, except that it deals with standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually a country 's post office is given powers to represent the country in international postal negotiations and the UPU .
This seems to be no different , except that it deals with standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usually a country's post office is given powers to represent the country in international postal negotiations and the UPU.
This seems to be no different, except that it deals with standards.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025758</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265316060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to wonder. It has nothing to do with ACTA. Really. Read the bill. It's S&amp;T driven: research, education, and having somebody there when standards setting bodies meet.</p><p>You're dreaming if you think that State Dept. listens to NIST. Or that this bill would pass the House without going before Foreign relations committee if it had that kind of reach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to wonder .
It has nothing to do with ACTA .
Really. Read the bill .
It 's S&amp;T driven : research , education , and having somebody there when standards setting bodies meet.You 're dreaming if you think that State Dept .
listens to NIST .
Or that this bill would pass the House without going before Foreign relations committee if it had that kind of reach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to wonder.
It has nothing to do with ACTA.
Really. Read the bill.
It's S&amp;T driven: research, education, and having somebody there when standards setting bodies meet.You're dreaming if you think that State Dept.
listens to NIST.
Or that this bill would pass the House without going before Foreign relations committee if it had that kind of reach.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025560</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31030596</id>
	<title>slashdot is too funny</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265300760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every upmodded post was "funny."  Get rid of funny and</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every upmodded post was " funny .
" Get rid of funny and</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every upmodded post was "funny.
"  Get rid of funny and</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025504</id>
	<title>Cybersecurity?  Wtf?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is "cybersecurity" needed?  (And does that really have anything to do with cybernetics?)  If you've got important data you need locked down, keep it strictly on a closed network or offline.  The only government machines that should be online are those to serve up the web site.  For everything else, computers are not secure enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is " cybersecurity " needed ?
( And does that really have anything to do with cybernetics ?
) If you 've got important data you need locked down , keep it strictly on a closed network or offline .
The only government machines that should be online are those to serve up the web site .
For everything else , computers are not secure enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is "cybersecurity" needed?
(And does that really have anything to do with cybernetics?
)  If you've got important data you need locked down, keep it strictly on a closed network or offline.
The only government machines that should be online are those to serve up the web site.
For everything else, computers are not secure enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025748</id>
	<title>Re:So now suddenly it's OK again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265315940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The federal government hasn't done a particularly good job advertising their Scholarship for Service Federal Cyber Service program where promising cyber students are given scholarships in return for a promise to give the government 2 years of service as federal employees in a cyber security related position.  Few in the IT field even know it exists.  But it's an exceptional idea and most government agencies are lobbying for expanding it to bring in even more students.

The federal government isn't entirely incompetent or bereft of good ideas or lacking the will to implement them.  The SFS Cyber Service program is one of their success stories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The federal government has n't done a particularly good job advertising their Scholarship for Service Federal Cyber Service program where promising cyber students are given scholarships in return for a promise to give the government 2 years of service as federal employees in a cyber security related position .
Few in the IT field even know it exists .
But it 's an exceptional idea and most government agencies are lobbying for expanding it to bring in even more students .
The federal government is n't entirely incompetent or bereft of good ideas or lacking the will to implement them .
The SFS Cyber Service program is one of their success stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The federal government hasn't done a particularly good job advertising their Scholarship for Service Federal Cyber Service program where promising cyber students are given scholarships in return for a promise to give the government 2 years of service as federal employees in a cyber security related position.
Few in the IT field even know it exists.
But it's an exceptional idea and most government agencies are lobbying for expanding it to bring in even more students.
The federal government isn't entirely incompetent or bereft of good ideas or lacking the will to implement them.
The SFS Cyber Service program is one of their success stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026016</id>
	<title>millions get infected with malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265274060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and the government does nothing<br>a F500 company gets hacked and all of a sudden we need cyberwarriors</p><p>good to know those priorities come election day</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the government does nothinga F500 company gets hacked and all of a sudden we need cyberwarriorsgood to know those priorities come election day</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the government does nothinga F500 company gets hacked and all of a sudden we need cyberwarriorsgood to know those priorities come election day</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026734</id>
	<title>Re:umm wat?</title>
	<author>dnahelicase</author>
	<datestamp>1265276880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Shouldn't treaties be made by people who are responsible to an electorate?   Isn't that the point of our entire system of government?  This seems really shady to me.</p></div><p> Don't use the internet to point out obvious lapses in judgment that the US government might have made.  If it seems shady to you it means you have something to hide, and it's because of people like you that we need treaties like ACTA.

</p><p>Once the new cyberwarriors can finally get out and patrol the internet we won't have to worry about these weaknesses being released to the pirates.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't treaties be made by people who are responsible to an electorate ?
Is n't that the point of our entire system of government ?
This seems really shady to me .
Do n't use the internet to point out obvious lapses in judgment that the US government might have made .
If it seems shady to you it means you have something to hide , and it 's because of people like you that we need treaties like ACTA .
Once the new cyberwarriors can finally get out and patrol the internet we wo n't have to worry about these weaknesses being released to the pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't treaties be made by people who are responsible to an electorate?
Isn't that the point of our entire system of government?
This seems really shady to me.
Don't use the internet to point out obvious lapses in judgment that the US government might have made.
If it seems shady to you it means you have something to hide, and it's because of people like you that we need treaties like ACTA.
Once the new cyberwarriors can finally get out and patrol the internet we won't have to worry about these weaknesses being released to the pirates.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026188</id>
	<title>Re:So now suddenly it's OK again?</title>
	<author>shaitand</author>
	<datestamp>1265274660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should up the ante a bit on this. Since they want four year degrees the should pay for 4 yrs of schooling. If they want you to have completed two years on your own to show commitment that is fine but they should reimburse those two years after successful completion. They could even up the service requirement to four years to match.</p><p>It just doesn't make sense to stick people in low paying government jobs with student loans to pay as their reward.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should up the ante a bit on this .
Since they want four year degrees the should pay for 4 yrs of schooling .
If they want you to have completed two years on your own to show commitment that is fine but they should reimburse those two years after successful completion .
They could even up the service requirement to four years to match.It just does n't make sense to stick people in low paying government jobs with student loans to pay as their reward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should up the ante a bit on this.
Since they want four year degrees the should pay for 4 yrs of schooling.
If they want you to have completed two years on your own to show commitment that is fine but they should reimburse those two years after successful completion.
They could even up the service requirement to four years to match.It just doesn't make sense to stick people in low paying government jobs with student loans to pay as their reward.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026494</id>
	<title>Re:What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>chrisG23</author>
	<datestamp>1265275920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?</p></div><p>Someone involved in any aspect of computer security, which can contain any of the following: penetration testing of systems to determine their vulnerabilites, network monitoring and analysis/intrusion detection, malware analysis, research into new exploits, analysis of botnet infrastructures and so on on the defensive side, and for the offensive side it is scanning target computer systems and networks, enumerating, exploiting, and pwning, either as a script kiddie with tools or as a more real hacker, creating your own tools for the particular system.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If they really want to be concerned about "Cyber Security", why don't they nuke all the computers running Bot nets?</p></div><p>International law.  They (the FBI) already goes after people operating the C2C servers inside the borders of this country (the USA). Most people don't know it when their computer is infected with a botnet, depending on the botnet.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Why don't they go after the jerkoffs running the C&amp;C servers? Why don't they set up Honeypots acting as spam traps and go after
all those spammers clogging up the pipes?</p></div><p>I think that is the idea of this whole thing actually.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> Why don't they go after the RBN equivalents out there?</p></div><p>It is hard to find the ringleaders, and then even if the USA did, they would likely be in Russia, and Russia may not accept our evidence. (Begin rumors without citation) There are some that think the Russian government unofficially supports the RBN, as long as their activities do no mess with Russian interests.(/rumors)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Nobody would dare to sue a military unit, would they? Am I missing something here?</p></div><p>Military action is never a good first option, or second, third or fourth option for that matter. There are serious consequences for violating a sovereign nation with an act of war, unless they are really weak and poor and have no friends. </p><p>
If there is evidence that countries are beefing up their own cyber warfare capabilities, then it sorta the explicit and implicit responsibility of a government to its people to protect them. You don't see any countries in the world that can afford a military without one do you? Unless they can get it way with it some other way (think Switzerland of countries that are not allowed a sizable military as a condition of their surrender in a previous war by the winning country(ies).)</p><p>
Welcome to the future. Its like Robot Jox but without the robots and just the software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone tell me WTF a " Cyber-Warrior " is ? Someone involved in any aspect of computer security , which can contain any of the following : penetration testing of systems to determine their vulnerabilites , network monitoring and analysis/intrusion detection , malware analysis , research into new exploits , analysis of botnet infrastructures and so on on the defensive side , and for the offensive side it is scanning target computer systems and networks , enumerating , exploiting , and pwning , either as a script kiddie with tools or as a more real hacker , creating your own tools for the particular system.If they really want to be concerned about " Cyber Security " , why do n't they nuke all the computers running Bot nets ? International law .
They ( the FBI ) already goes after people operating the C2C servers inside the borders of this country ( the USA ) .
Most people do n't know it when their computer is infected with a botnet , depending on the botnet.Why do n't they go after the jerkoffs running the C&amp;C servers ?
Why do n't they set up Honeypots acting as spam traps and go after all those spammers clogging up the pipes ? I think that is the idea of this whole thing actually .
Why do n't they go after the RBN equivalents out there ? It is hard to find the ringleaders , and then even if the USA did , they would likely be in Russia , and Russia may not accept our evidence .
( Begin rumors without citation ) There are some that think the Russian government unofficially supports the RBN , as long as their activities do no mess with Russian interests .
( /rumors ) Nobody would dare to sue a military unit , would they ?
Am I missing something here ? Military action is never a good first option , or second , third or fourth option for that matter .
There are serious consequences for violating a sovereign nation with an act of war , unless they are really weak and poor and have no friends .
If there is evidence that countries are beefing up their own cyber warfare capabilities , then it sorta the explicit and implicit responsibility of a government to its people to protect them .
You do n't see any countries in the world that can afford a military without one do you ?
Unless they can get it way with it some other way ( think Switzerland of countries that are not allowed a sizable military as a condition of their surrender in a previous war by the winning country ( ies ) .
) Welcome to the future .
Its like Robot Jox but without the robots and just the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?Someone involved in any aspect of computer security, which can contain any of the following: penetration testing of systems to determine their vulnerabilites, network monitoring and analysis/intrusion detection, malware analysis, research into new exploits, analysis of botnet infrastructures and so on on the defensive side, and for the offensive side it is scanning target computer systems and networks, enumerating, exploiting, and pwning, either as a script kiddie with tools or as a more real hacker, creating your own tools for the particular system.If they really want to be concerned about "Cyber Security", why don't they nuke all the computers running Bot nets?International law.
They (the FBI) already goes after people operating the C2C servers inside the borders of this country (the USA).
Most people don't know it when their computer is infected with a botnet, depending on the botnet.Why don't they go after the jerkoffs running the C&amp;C servers?
Why don't they set up Honeypots acting as spam traps and go after
all those spammers clogging up the pipes?I think that is the idea of this whole thing actually.
Why don't they go after the RBN equivalents out there?It is hard to find the ringleaders, and then even if the USA did, they would likely be in Russia, and Russia may not accept our evidence.
(Begin rumors without citation) There are some that think the Russian government unofficially supports the RBN, as long as their activities do no mess with Russian interests.
(/rumors)Nobody would dare to sue a military unit, would they?
Am I missing something here?Military action is never a good first option, or second, third or fourth option for that matter.
There are serious consequences for violating a sovereign nation with an act of war, unless they are really weak and poor and have no friends.
If there is evidence that countries are beefing up their own cyber warfare capabilities, then it sorta the explicit and implicit responsibility of a government to its people to protect them.
You don't see any countries in the world that can afford a military without one do you?
Unless they can get it way with it some other way (think Switzerland of countries that are not allowed a sizable military as a condition of their surrender in a previous war by the winning country(ies).
)
Welcome to the future.
Its like Robot Jox but without the robots and just the software.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026258</id>
	<title>Re:Rule of law, which Congress writes...</title>
	<author>shaitand</author>
	<datestamp>1265275020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The entire federal government is dramatically more powerful than it should be. Just look how many powers it has stolen for itself by twisting a simple authority to regulate interstate commercial traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The entire federal government is dramatically more powerful than it should be .
Just look how many powers it has stolen for itself by twisting a simple authority to regulate interstate commercial traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The entire federal government is dramatically more powerful than it should be.
Just look how many powers it has stolen for itself by twisting a simple authority to regulate interstate commercial traffic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025446</id>
	<title>At least</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265313900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a step in the right direction...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a step in the right direction.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a step in the right direction...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025608</id>
	<title>Google attack?</title>
	<author>antiaktiv</author>
	<datestamp>1265314800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would it have had as much support without the recent (allegedly chinese) attack against Google and other companies?
<br> <br>
BYOCT... (Bring your own conspiracy theory)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it have had as much support without the recent ( allegedly chinese ) attack against Google and other companies ?
BYOCT... ( Bring your own conspiracy theory )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it have had as much support without the recent (allegedly chinese) attack against Google and other companies?
BYOCT... (Bring your own conspiracy theory)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025808</id>
	<title>umm wat?</title>
	<author>nilbog</author>
	<datestamp>1265316300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't treaties be made by people who are responsible to an electorate?   Isn't that the point of our entire system of government?  This seems really shady to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't treaties be made by people who are responsible to an electorate ?
Is n't that the point of our entire system of government ?
This seems really shady to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't treaties be made by people who are responsible to an electorate?
Isn't that the point of our entire system of government?
This seems really shady to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027368</id>
	<title>Re:Why Icecream has no bones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265279700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what the <strong>shit</strong></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what the shit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what the shit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027220</id>
	<title>News Flash: 1,000 new cyber warrior H1B...</title>
	<author>sgt\_doom</author>
	<datestamp>1265278920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...visas issued.  How do you say "cyber warrior" in Punjabi?</p><p>Politically correct need not reply -- the class war has been in progress for quite some time now....how many CEOs did you off today?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...visas issued .
How do you say " cyber warrior " in Punjabi ? Politically correct need not reply -- the class war has been in progress for quite some time now....how many CEOs did you off today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...visas issued.
How do you say "cyber warrior" in Punjabi?Politically correct need not reply -- the class war has been in progress for quite some time now....how many CEOs did you off today?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027210</id>
	<title>Re:Cyber Warriors....</title>
	<author>XxtraLarGe</author>
	<datestamp>1265278860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wrong movie. Cyber warriors are like road warriors except the "road" is the information super-highway. Now, I know that's confusing because the Internets are more like tubes than like dumptrucks, but still, the Internet is exactly like a highway for information only superer.</p> </div><p>Wouldn't that make them Tube Warriors? I mean, the Internet is like a series of tubes, or so I've been told...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong movie .
Cyber warriors are like road warriors except the " road " is the information super-highway .
Now , I know that 's confusing because the Internets are more like tubes than like dumptrucks , but still , the Internet is exactly like a highway for information only superer .
Would n't that make them Tube Warriors ?
I mean , the Internet is like a series of tubes , or so I 've been told.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong movie.
Cyber warriors are like road warriors except the "road" is the information super-highway.
Now, I know that's confusing because the Internets are more like tubes than like dumptrucks, but still, the Internet is exactly like a highway for information only superer.
Wouldn't that make them Tube Warriors?
I mean, the Internet is like a series of tubes, or so I've been told...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026400</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265275500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On one hand, you're probably right. On the other, the absolute last thing I want is to have the person in charge of computer security in the US be an elected individual. I can only see that ending badly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand , you 're probably right .
On the other , the absolute last thing I want is to have the person in charge of computer security in the US be an elected individual .
I can only see that ending badly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand, you're probably right.
On the other, the absolute last thing I want is to have the person in charge of computer security in the US be an elected individual.
I can only see that ending badly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026454</id>
	<title>Re:Separating reality and fantasy</title>
	<author>Lord Ender</author>
	<datestamp>1265275740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anyone is living in fantasy, it's you. Computer systems are compromised all the time here in reality. Sometimes it's by bored teenagers, sometimes it's by the mafia, and sometimes it's by foreign governments and their proxies. There is nothing of fantasy about hiring people with those skills; they could help you secure your own systems and gather intelligence on your enemies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anyone is living in fantasy , it 's you .
Computer systems are compromised all the time here in reality .
Sometimes it 's by bored teenagers , sometimes it 's by the mafia , and sometimes it 's by foreign governments and their proxies .
There is nothing of fantasy about hiring people with those skills ; they could help you secure your own systems and gather intelligence on your enemies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anyone is living in fantasy, it's you.
Computer systems are compromised all the time here in reality.
Sometimes it's by bored teenagers, sometimes it's by the mafia, and sometimes it's by foreign governments and their proxies.
There is nothing of fantasy about hiring people with those skills; they could help you secure your own systems and gather intelligence on your enemies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029098</id>
	<title>that's not bad, actually.</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265289180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>", the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research.'""</p><p>that's really good, actually. It beets the last 8 years of ignoring the professionals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" , the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology , to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research .
' " " that 's really good , actually .
It beets the last 8 years of ignoring the professionals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>", the director of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, to represent the government in negotiations over international standards and orders the White House office of technology to convene a cybersecurity university-industry task force to guide the direction of future research.
'""that's really good, actually.
It beets the last 8 years of ignoring the professionals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025464</id>
	<title>Cyber Warrior positions available?</title>
	<author>PingSpike</author>
	<datestamp>1265314020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I knew all those years playing Quake would come in handy eventually.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew all those years playing Quake would come in handy eventually .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I knew all those years playing Quake would come in handy eventually.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025722</id>
	<title>Bleh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265315700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's incredibly difficult to do something in an official, bureaucratic capacity without making your plan (and your goals) seem ridiculous, and your knowledge of the problem laughably ignorant.  The internet is championed as a communication medium designed to be 'un-patrolable,' and any system that inspires hollywood-type 'hacking' will be immediately, firmly, and justifiably criticized by those who value it for exactly that reason.  It sounds like our politicians are convinced that China has a few more 'cyber-warriors' than us, so we need to get in on that arms-race and move some of those crazy xbox kids away from shooting zombies so they can make pew pew at the holes China's punching in the giant 'firewall' UI buried under Nebraska.  Why does the language of our policy, the words coming from the mouths of our representatives, have to be so over-simplified?  Why can't the media hire somebody who knows what the hell they're talking about, and have him explain it in language appropriate for the content?  Aren't the people who actually care about the issue, and so become its audience, the same people who are insulted by the simplified method in which its presented?  Honestly, if you want my Grandmother to read an article in your newspaper, fine, if you want her to vote for you, fine, but don't spoon-feed me BS and tell me it's good for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's incredibly difficult to do something in an official , bureaucratic capacity without making your plan ( and your goals ) seem ridiculous , and your knowledge of the problem laughably ignorant .
The internet is championed as a communication medium designed to be 'un-patrolable, ' and any system that inspires hollywood-type 'hacking ' will be immediately , firmly , and justifiably criticized by those who value it for exactly that reason .
It sounds like our politicians are convinced that China has a few more 'cyber-warriors ' than us , so we need to get in on that arms-race and move some of those crazy xbox kids away from shooting zombies so they can make pew pew at the holes China 's punching in the giant 'firewall ' UI buried under Nebraska .
Why does the language of our policy , the words coming from the mouths of our representatives , have to be so over-simplified ?
Why ca n't the media hire somebody who knows what the hell they 're talking about , and have him explain it in language appropriate for the content ?
Are n't the people who actually care about the issue , and so become its audience , the same people who are insulted by the simplified method in which its presented ?
Honestly , if you want my Grandmother to read an article in your newspaper , fine , if you want her to vote for you , fine , but do n't spoon-feed me BS and tell me it 's good for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's incredibly difficult to do something in an official, bureaucratic capacity without making your plan (and your goals) seem ridiculous, and your knowledge of the problem laughably ignorant.
The internet is championed as a communication medium designed to be 'un-patrolable,' and any system that inspires hollywood-type 'hacking' will be immediately, firmly, and justifiably criticized by those who value it for exactly that reason.
It sounds like our politicians are convinced that China has a few more 'cyber-warriors' than us, so we need to get in on that arms-race and move some of those crazy xbox kids away from shooting zombies so they can make pew pew at the holes China's punching in the giant 'firewall' UI buried under Nebraska.
Why does the language of our policy, the words coming from the mouths of our representatives, have to be so over-simplified?
Why can't the media hire somebody who knows what the hell they're talking about, and have him explain it in language appropriate for the content?
Aren't the people who actually care about the issue, and so become its audience, the same people who are insulted by the simplified method in which its presented?
Honestly, if you want my Grandmother to read an article in your newspaper, fine, if you want her to vote for you, fine, but don't spoon-feed me BS and tell me it's good for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025862</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265316480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What new body? WTF?</p><p>There's a loose R&amp;D planning council. But it's NIST that reps in negotiations. Does anybody read the source, or just comment on blogs?</p><p>Yeah, I know, I'm new here etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What new body ?
WTF ? There 's a loose R&amp;D planning council .
But it 's NIST that reps in negotiations .
Does anybody read the source , or just comment on blogs ? Yeah , I know , I 'm new here etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What new body?
WTF?There's a loose R&amp;D planning council.
But it's NIST that reps in negotiations.
Does anybody read the source, or just comment on blogs?Yeah, I know, I'm new here etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026004</id>
	<title>Google/NSA</title>
	<author>Temujin\_12</author>
	<datestamp>1265274000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm.... <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009\_3-10447279-83.html" title="cnet.com">this</a> [cnet.com] would be related now would it?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Google is finalizing an agreement with the National Security Agency to help the search giant ward off cyberattacks, according to the Washington Post.</p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm.... this [ cnet.com ] would be related now would it ? Google is finalizing an agreement with the National Security Agency to help the search giant ward off cyberattacks , according to the Washington Post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm.... this [cnet.com] would be related now would it?Google is finalizing an agreement with the National Security Agency to help the search giant ward off cyberattacks, according to the Washington Post. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027462</id>
	<title>Re:What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?</p></div></blockquote><p>"Cyber-warrior" is a marketing term used to entice the young men who are skilled in digital security.</p><p>I'm sure that the people in our federal government who are responsible for cyber security read Slashdot, so they realize that most of us are emotionally immature sociopaths who would love the idea of being a "cyber warrior".  Based on the popularity of games like WoW and KOTOR and others, they correctly assume that if you can give the position a name that would encourage adolescent fantasies of wielding swords and impressing females with your technical prowess, your recruitment will be much easier.</p><p>I'm betting that just based on the term "cyber-warrior" in this article, there have been dozens of slashdot readers who are already trying to figure out how to sign up. I'd further bet that several are already planning for how a proper "cyber-warrior" would dress.</p><p>Now if only they could find a floor-length leather coat in size 36-portly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone tell me WTF a " Cyber-Warrior " is ?
" Cyber-warrior " is a marketing term used to entice the young men who are skilled in digital security.I 'm sure that the people in our federal government who are responsible for cyber security read Slashdot , so they realize that most of us are emotionally immature sociopaths who would love the idea of being a " cyber warrior " .
Based on the popularity of games like WoW and KOTOR and others , they correctly assume that if you can give the position a name that would encourage adolescent fantasies of wielding swords and impressing females with your technical prowess , your recruitment will be much easier.I 'm betting that just based on the term " cyber-warrior " in this article , there have been dozens of slashdot readers who are already trying to figure out how to sign up .
I 'd further bet that several are already planning for how a proper " cyber-warrior " would dress.Now if only they could find a floor-length leather coat in size 36-portly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?
"Cyber-warrior" is a marketing term used to entice the young men who are skilled in digital security.I'm sure that the people in our federal government who are responsible for cyber security read Slashdot, so they realize that most of us are emotionally immature sociopaths who would love the idea of being a "cyber warrior".
Based on the popularity of games like WoW and KOTOR and others, they correctly assume that if you can give the position a name that would encourage adolescent fantasies of wielding swords and impressing females with your technical prowess, your recruitment will be much easier.I'm betting that just based on the term "cyber-warrior" in this article, there have been dozens of slashdot readers who are already trying to figure out how to sign up.
I'd further bet that several are already planning for how a proper "cyber-warrior" would dress.Now if only they could find a floor-length leather coat in size 36-portly.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026662</id>
	<title>NIST is not new</title>
	<author>forand</author>
	<datestamp>1265276580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.nist.gov/index.html" title="nist.gov">NIST</a> [nist.gov] is not a new agency and has been around for some time. They are responsible for keeping track of US time and other standards. If the directory of NIST is anything like those I know who work there I do not think this will be anywhere near as bad as you imply. Finally ACTA has nothing to do with "international standards" and everything to do with copyright law.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NIST [ nist.gov ] is not a new agency and has been around for some time .
They are responsible for keeping track of US time and other standards .
If the directory of NIST is anything like those I know who work there I do not think this will be anywhere near as bad as you imply .
Finally ACTA has nothing to do with " international standards " and everything to do with copyright law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NIST [nist.gov] is not a new agency and has been around for some time.
They are responsible for keeping track of US time and other standards.
If the directory of NIST is anything like those I know who work there I do not think this will be anywhere near as bad as you imply.
Finally ACTA has nothing to do with "international standards" and everything to do with copyright law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026916</id>
	<title>Re:At least</title>
	<author>thehostiles</author>
	<datestamp>1265277600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>really?<br>Hacking: a crime that will get you some jail time and computer probation.<br>Cyber Warrior: a profession where you hack and get paid for it by the government.</p><p>If the government wanted to beef up their web security by improving defense, they would hire people titled "engineers"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>really ? Hacking : a crime that will get you some jail time and computer probation.Cyber Warrior : a profession where you hack and get paid for it by the government.If the government wanted to beef up their web security by improving defense , they would hire people titled " engineers "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really?Hacking: a crime that will get you some jail time and computer probation.Cyber Warrior: a profession where you hack and get paid for it by the government.If the government wanted to beef up their web security by improving defense, they would hire people titled "engineers"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025458</id>
	<title>Shivers...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265313960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why did reading this article send shivers down my spine? Especially the last paragraph?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why did reading this article send shivers down my spine ?
Especially the last paragraph ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why did reading this article send shivers down my spine?
Especially the last paragraph?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025642</id>
	<title>glad that's taken care of</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265315160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>now we can get back about the 'business' of surviving the escalating assault on ourselves, by us, &amp; 'them'.</p><p>consult with/trust in your creators, providing more than enough security, &amp; everything else we need, with no personal gain motive, using an unending supply of newclear power, since/until forever. see you there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now we can get back about the 'business ' of surviving the escalating assault on ourselves , by us , &amp; 'them'.consult with/trust in your creators , providing more than enough security , &amp; everything else we need , with no personal gain motive , using an unending supply of newclear power , since/until forever .
see you there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now we can get back about the 'business' of surviving the escalating assault on ourselves, by us, &amp; 'them'.consult with/trust in your creators, providing more than enough security, &amp; everything else we need, with no personal gain motive, using an unending supply of newclear power, since/until forever.
see you there?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025510</id>
	<title>Private sector</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>A private company could be delegated for most of the dirty stuff. OCP, Cyberdyne, and Umbrella Corporation already proposed themselves for that task.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A private company could be delegated for most of the dirty stuff .
OCP , Cyberdyne , and Umbrella Corporation already proposed themselves for that task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A private company could be delegated for most of the dirty stuff.
OCP, Cyberdyne, and Umbrella Corporation already proposed themselves for that task.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31028028</id>
	<title>Re:Why Icecream has no bones</title>
	<author>cjb658</author>
	<datestamp>1265283120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would there be bones in ice cream?  It's not made with animal parts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would there be bones in ice cream ?
It 's not made with animal parts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would there be bones in ice cream?
It's not made with animal parts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025678</id>
	<title>Where is their test environment?</title>
	<author>zerointeger</author>
	<datestamp>1265315460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when does using a fuzzer to modify http headers constitute as a l337?</p><p>
So do I have to give up my computer while somebody that wants to test out their l337 skillz essentially destroying my development server and hard work without compensation?</p><p>
Where are the bills protections to me as a non-felon, voting, tax-payer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when does using a fuzzer to modify http headers constitute as a l337 ?
So do I have to give up my computer while somebody that wants to test out their l337 skillz essentially destroying my development server and hard work without compensation ?
Where are the bills protections to me as a non-felon , voting , tax-payer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when does using a fuzzer to modify http headers constitute as a l337?
So do I have to give up my computer while somebody that wants to test out their l337 skillz essentially destroying my development server and hard work without compensation?
Where are the bills protections to me as a non-felon, voting, tax-payer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025500</id>
	<title>So now suddenly it's OK again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too little, too late.</p><p>For more than a decade, effort was done to *weaken* the domestic talent at developing themselves or helping (causing) to harden the existing infrastructure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too little , too late.For more than a decade , effort was done to * weaken * the domestic talent at developing themselves or helping ( causing ) to harden the existing infrastructure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too little, too late.For more than a decade, effort was done to *weaken* the domestic talent at developing themselves or helping (causing) to harden the existing infrastructure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025730</id>
	<title>What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265315700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?

Seriously. Like, what is it.. A bunch of script-kiddies running 1337 ha0r tools? Or someone who just knows how to pingflood?

If they really want to be concerned about "Cyber Security", why don't they nuke all the computers running Bot nets? Why
don't they go after the jerkoffs running the C&amp;C servers? Why don't they set up Honeypots acting as spam traps and go after
all those spammers clogging up the pipes? Why don't they go after the RBN equivalents out there?

Nobody would dare to sue a military unit, would they? Am I missing something here?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone tell me WTF a " Cyber-Warrior " is ?
Seriously. Like , what is it.. A bunch of script-kiddies running 1337 ha0r tools ?
Or someone who just knows how to pingflood ?
If they really want to be concerned about " Cyber Security " , why do n't they nuke all the computers running Bot nets ?
Why do n't they go after the jerkoffs running the C&amp;C servers ?
Why do n't they set up Honeypots acting as spam traps and go after all those spammers clogging up the pipes ?
Why do n't they go after the RBN equivalents out there ?
Nobody would dare to sue a military unit , would they ?
Am I missing something here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone tell me WTF a "Cyber-Warrior" is?
Seriously. Like, what is it.. A bunch of script-kiddies running 1337 ha0r tools?
Or someone who just knows how to pingflood?
If they really want to be concerned about "Cyber Security", why don't they nuke all the computers running Bot nets?
Why
don't they go after the jerkoffs running the C&amp;C servers?
Why don't they set up Honeypots acting as spam traps and go after
all those spammers clogging up the pipes?
Why don't they go after the RBN equivalents out there?
Nobody would dare to sue a military unit, would they?
Am I missing something here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025486</id>
	<title>Cyber Warriors....</title>
	<author>neogeographer</author>
	<datestamp>1265314140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come out to playyyyyyyyy</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come out to playyyyyyyyy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come out to playyyyyyyyy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025848</id>
	<title>Separating reality and fantasy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265316420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time I hear a government official -- or, for that matter, anyone else -- refer to a "cyber warrior" outside of the context of a game or movie review, I want to take their television away from them until they're old enough to tell the difference between reality and fantasy. And in the case of this buffoon and his thousand extra cyber warriors per year, he also needs to read <i>The Mythical Man-Month</i> before he's allowed to leave his room.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I hear a government official -- or , for that matter , anyone else -- refer to a " cyber warrior " outside of the context of a game or movie review , I want to take their television away from them until they 're old enough to tell the difference between reality and fantasy .
And in the case of this buffoon and his thousand extra cyber warriors per year , he also needs to read The Mythical Man-Month before he 's allowed to leave his room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I hear a government official -- or, for that matter, anyone else -- refer to a "cyber warrior" outside of the context of a game or movie review, I want to take their television away from them until they're old enough to tell the difference between reality and fantasy.
And in the case of this buffoon and his thousand extra cyber warriors per year, he also needs to read The Mythical Man-Month before he's allowed to leave his room.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029662</id>
	<title>This is dumb</title>
	<author>blugu64</author>
	<datestamp>1265292660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is stoopid I can't find anything in the text of this bill that says anything about cyberwarriors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is stoopid I ca n't find anything in the text of this bill that says anything about cyberwarriors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is stoopid I can't find anything in the text of this bill that says anything about cyberwarriors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027216</id>
	<title>Re:Separating reality and fantasy</title>
	<author>lennier</author>
	<datestamp>1265278920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because 'cyber warrior' sounds better than 'script herder'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because 'cyber warrior ' sounds better than 'script herder' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because 'cyber warrior' sounds better than 'script herder'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026106</id>
	<title>Re:What the * is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265274420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's easy.  A Cyber Warrior is someone empowered (for your own protection) to watch your communications, analyze your network of friends for suspicious links, grant your tax money to friendly contractors, seize your dangerous data, and defend your computer against its true enemies (who, as we speak, are probably planning their next attack with exploding wigs instead of flammable jock straps).</p><p>It is an unintended and unfortunate side-effect that Cyber Warriors, in order to keep you safe, require significant funding and additional powers over you.</p><p>Needless to say, we'll require lots of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's easy .
A Cyber Warrior is someone empowered ( for your own protection ) to watch your communications , analyze your network of friends for suspicious links , grant your tax money to friendly contractors , seize your dangerous data , and defend your computer against its true enemies ( who , as we speak , are probably planning their next attack with exploding wigs instead of flammable jock straps ) .It is an unintended and unfortunate side-effect that Cyber Warriors , in order to keep you safe , require significant funding and additional powers over you.Needless to say , we 'll require lots of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's easy.
A Cyber Warrior is someone empowered (for your own protection) to watch your communications, analyze your network of friends for suspicious links, grant your tax money to friendly contractors, seize your dangerous data, and defend your computer against its true enemies (who, as we speak, are probably planning their next attack with exploding wigs instead of flammable jock straps).It is an unintended and unfortunate side-effect that Cyber Warriors, in order to keep you safe, require significant funding and additional powers over you.Needless to say, we'll require lots of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027474</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265280360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't have to wonder. This is one of the final moves being put in place to distance themselves from public controversy. They're expressly putting treaty powers into the hands of someone who isn't an elected official. When it finally blows open, they'll conduct an investigation, which will be tied up in committee for years. The investigation will continue until it drops off the media radar and people forget about it. In the meantime, no direct criticism can be made of ACTA -- because the investigation hasn't resolved. It's a standard PR move, and it's been done before. If the public demands blood, they'll pin it on the scapegoat -- "We Were Misled" will be the headline. But the treaty will remain.</p><p>This is how bureauacracy deals with things they know will become controversial: They elect a fall guy, and then create a web of deceit to blunt the minds of their critics and hopefully dissipate entirely any demands for their power to be reduced. And most of the time, it works.</p></div><p>You forgot to mention how it's all an elaborate ploy devised by the penis wearing amongst us to subvert those of us that wear our genitals on the inside.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to wonder .
This is one of the final moves being put in place to distance themselves from public controversy .
They 're expressly putting treaty powers into the hands of someone who is n't an elected official .
When it finally blows open , they 'll conduct an investigation , which will be tied up in committee for years .
The investigation will continue until it drops off the media radar and people forget about it .
In the meantime , no direct criticism can be made of ACTA -- because the investigation has n't resolved .
It 's a standard PR move , and it 's been done before .
If the public demands blood , they 'll pin it on the scapegoat -- " We Were Misled " will be the headline .
But the treaty will remain.This is how bureauacracy deals with things they know will become controversial : They elect a fall guy , and then create a web of deceit to blunt the minds of their critics and hopefully dissipate entirely any demands for their power to be reduced .
And most of the time , it works.You forgot to mention how it 's all an elaborate ploy devised by the penis wearing amongst us to subvert those of us that wear our genitals on the inside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to wonder.
This is one of the final moves being put in place to distance themselves from public controversy.
They're expressly putting treaty powers into the hands of someone who isn't an elected official.
When it finally blows open, they'll conduct an investigation, which will be tied up in committee for years.
The investigation will continue until it drops off the media radar and people forget about it.
In the meantime, no direct criticism can be made of ACTA -- because the investigation hasn't resolved.
It's a standard PR move, and it's been done before.
If the public demands blood, they'll pin it on the scapegoat -- "We Were Misled" will be the headline.
But the treaty will remain.This is how bureauacracy deals with things they know will become controversial: They elect a fall guy, and then create a web of deceit to blunt the minds of their critics and hopefully dissipate entirely any demands for their power to be reduced.
And most of the time, it works.You forgot to mention how it's all an elaborate ploy devised by the penis wearing amongst us to subvert those of us that wear our genitals on the inside.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026418</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>Tekfactory</author>
	<datestamp>1265275620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NIST isn't a new entity, they are the US Government's standards body, they are part of the Dept of Commerce, and write all kinds of standards the government has to use.</p><p>So when the government directs their standards body to take part in standards negotiations on their behalf, there is no conspiracy there.</p><p>Take a look at some of what NIST does</p><p><a href="http://www.nist.gov/index.html" title="nist.gov">http://www.nist.gov/index.html</a> [nist.gov]<br><a href="http://www.nist.gov/public\_affairs/orgchart.htm" title="nist.gov">http://www.nist.gov/public\_affairs/orgchart.htm</a> [nist.gov]</p><p>Also note that like IEEE all of their Technology Special Publications go through public comment periods.</p><p><a href="http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsSPs.html" title="nist.gov">http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsSPs.html</a> [nist.gov]</p><p>One of my favorites is SCAP, its like an XML for Security products that helps to standardize vulnerability reports and security settings so you can check using an array of SCAP compatible tools if your thousands of machines are all patched and up to date as well as running your enterprise security config.</p><p><a href="http://scap.nist.gov/" title="nist.gov">http://scap.nist.gov/</a> [nist.gov]</p><p>I'd be concerned if some new bill made someone ELSE without some of the worlds best test labs, scientists and engineers negotiate standards for the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NIST is n't a new entity , they are the US Government 's standards body , they are part of the Dept of Commerce , and write all kinds of standards the government has to use.So when the government directs their standards body to take part in standards negotiations on their behalf , there is no conspiracy there.Take a look at some of what NIST doeshttp : //www.nist.gov/index.html [ nist.gov ] http : //www.nist.gov/public \ _affairs/orgchart.htm [ nist.gov ] Also note that like IEEE all of their Technology Special Publications go through public comment periods.http : //csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsSPs.html [ nist.gov ] One of my favorites is SCAP , its like an XML for Security products that helps to standardize vulnerability reports and security settings so you can check using an array of SCAP compatible tools if your thousands of machines are all patched and up to date as well as running your enterprise security config.http : //scap.nist.gov/ [ nist.gov ] I 'd be concerned if some new bill made someone ELSE without some of the worlds best test labs , scientists and engineers negotiate standards for the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NIST isn't a new entity, they are the US Government's standards body, they are part of the Dept of Commerce, and write all kinds of standards the government has to use.So when the government directs their standards body to take part in standards negotiations on their behalf, there is no conspiracy there.Take a look at some of what NIST doeshttp://www.nist.gov/index.html [nist.gov]http://www.nist.gov/public\_affairs/orgchart.htm [nist.gov]Also note that like IEEE all of their Technology Special Publications go through public comment periods.http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/PubsSPs.html [nist.gov]One of my favorites is SCAP, its like an XML for Security products that helps to standardize vulnerability reports and security settings so you can check using an array of SCAP compatible tools if your thousands of machines are all patched and up to date as well as running your enterprise security config.http://scap.nist.gov/ [nist.gov]I'd be concerned if some new bill made someone ELSE without some of the worlds best test labs, scientists and engineers negotiate standards for the US.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025972</id>
	<title>I wonder?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265317080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's really great.<br>Question:<br>- Haging mandated this conference and extension to our bloated government, did this knowledgable legislater provide funding for this addition?</p><p>If funding was NOT provided and since this clown thinks this is such an important issue, let's take the funding from his budget, and if that is not enough, cut his pay, and if that is not enough, he is going to have to get a 2nd job to cover the difference.</p><p>This is called - being responsible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's really great.Question : - Haging mandated this conference and extension to our bloated government , did this knowledgable legislater provide funding for this addition ? If funding was NOT provided and since this clown thinks this is such an important issue , let 's take the funding from his budget , and if that is not enough , cut his pay , and if that is not enough , he is going to have to get a 2nd job to cover the difference.This is called - being responsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's really great.Question:- Haging mandated this conference and extension to our bloated government, did this knowledgable legislater provide funding for this addition?If funding was NOT provided and since this clown thinks this is such an important issue, let's take the funding from his budget, and if that is not enough, cut his pay, and if that is not enough, he is going to have to get a 2nd job to cover the difference.This is called - being responsible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31028172</id>
	<title>Re:Private sector</title>
	<author>EventHorizon\_pc</author>
	<datestamp>1265284020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So did Aperture Science Laboratories, but we all know Black Mesa will get the job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So did Aperture Science Laboratories , but we all know Black Mesa will get the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So did Aperture Science Laboratories, but we all know Black Mesa will get the job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026064</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265274240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"new body?"</p><p>NIST has been around for over a century.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" new body ?
" NIST has been around for over a century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"new body?
"NIST has been around for over a century.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025818</id>
	<title>I give it 6 months</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265316300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I give the NIST six months before they're over-ruled by the NSA and DHS. Six months.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I give the NIST six months before they 're over-ruled by the NSA and DHS .
Six months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I give the NIST six months before they're over-ruled by the NSA and DHS.
Six months.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025776</id>
	<title>Rule of law, which Congress writes...</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1265316120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I wasn't aware that Congress could order the White House to do anything. What part of the Constitution gives it this power? What about "separation of powers"?</i></p><p>In theory, we have rule of law in this country, and the executive branch is bound by law, which congress writes, except the Constitution. The theoretical separation of power lies in the fact that the executive is generally part of the legislative process via the veto/signing power.</p><p>In practice, the executive branch has even further freedom pretty broad latitude, arising partly from being the executor of the law, and partly from human sociology (most people have some natural aversion to adversarial actions against high-status individuals) and politics (sure, maybe Bush and Cheney are guilty of war crimes, but you open that can of worms and you're going to start a big fight and potentially find yourself staring down the barrel of similar accusations in the future).</p><p>If anything, the executive branch is stronger in practice than it should be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was n't aware that Congress could order the White House to do anything .
What part of the Constitution gives it this power ?
What about " separation of powers " ? In theory , we have rule of law in this country , and the executive branch is bound by law , which congress writes , except the Constitution .
The theoretical separation of power lies in the fact that the executive is generally part of the legislative process via the veto/signing power.In practice , the executive branch has even further freedom pretty broad latitude , arising partly from being the executor of the law , and partly from human sociology ( most people have some natural aversion to adversarial actions against high-status individuals ) and politics ( sure , maybe Bush and Cheney are guilty of war crimes , but you open that can of worms and you 're going to start a big fight and potentially find yourself staring down the barrel of similar accusations in the future ) .If anything , the executive branch is stronger in practice than it should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wasn't aware that Congress could order the White House to do anything.
What part of the Constitution gives it this power?
What about "separation of powers"?In theory, we have rule of law in this country, and the executive branch is bound by law, which congress writes, except the Constitution.
The theoretical separation of power lies in the fact that the executive is generally part of the legislative process via the veto/signing power.In practice, the executive branch has even further freedom pretty broad latitude, arising partly from being the executor of the law, and partly from human sociology (most people have some natural aversion to adversarial actions against high-status individuals) and politics (sure, maybe Bush and Cheney are guilty of war crimes, but you open that can of worms and you're going to start a big fight and potentially find yourself staring down the barrel of similar accusations in the future).If anything, the executive branch is stronger in practice than it should be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025554</id>
	<title>Klingons</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Klingons are gearing up for a new field of battle. I guess all those ridiculous stories about "Chinese" attacks on various inconsequential web sites had a meaning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Klingons are gearing up for a new field of battle .
I guess all those ridiculous stories about " Chinese " attacks on various inconsequential web sites had a meaning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Klingons are gearing up for a new field of battle.
I guess all those ridiculous stories about "Chinese" attacks on various inconsequential web sites had a meaning.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026762</id>
	<title>Safety first</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1265277000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good to know that we can finally cyber safely, thanks to the Congress!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to know that we can finally cyber safely , thanks to the Congress !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to know that we can finally cyber safely, thanks to the Congress!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025662</id>
	<title>Re:Private sector</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1265315340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is knda why the government hires contractors.  If they are caught it is those immoral contractors, if they are not they perform a valuable asset to the country... Even if they do get caught and take the PR mess they hire them again as all they did was what they were hired to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is knda why the government hires contractors .
If they are caught it is those immoral contractors , if they are not they perform a valuable asset to the country... Even if they do get caught and take the PR mess they hire them again as all they did was what they were hired to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is knda why the government hires contractors.
If they are caught it is those immoral contractors, if they are not they perform a valuable asset to the country... Even if they do get caught and take the PR mess they hire them again as all they did was what they were hired to do.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026118</id>
	<title>Re:Orders?</title>
	<author>starfliz</author>
	<datestamp>1265274480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>separation refers to the creation of law.  Just because the house passes a bill it does not make it a law.  The white house has the power to veto.  If the white house signs this then it agrees to it.  The executive can be overridden of course but that just means the senate and house believe the bill is to important for the executive to have judgement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>separation refers to the creation of law .
Just because the house passes a bill it does not make it a law .
The white house has the power to veto .
If the white house signs this then it agrees to it .
The executive can be overridden of course but that just means the senate and house believe the bill is to important for the executive to have judgement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>separation refers to the creation of law.
Just because the house passes a bill it does not make it a law.
The white house has the power to veto.
If the white house signs this then it agrees to it.
The executive can be overridden of course but that just means the senate and house believe the bill is to important for the executive to have judgement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026506</id>
	<title>Cyber Warriors???</title>
	<author>Khan</author>
	<datestamp>1265275980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Phft! All you need is Jack Bauer and CTU. THAT'LL teach them not to mess with the US!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Phft !
All you need is Jack Bauer and CTU .
THAT 'LL teach them not to mess with the US !
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phft!
All you need is Jack Bauer and CTU.
THAT'LL teach them not to mess with the US!
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029174</id>
	<title>Re:At least</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265289720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Murder: A crime that will get you jail time<br>Infantry: a profession where you kill people while being paid by the government.</p><p>Seriously, nothing new here.</p><p>They do hire people titled "engineers"<br>Dont' get caught up in the reporting of these things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Murder : A crime that will get you jail timeInfantry : a profession where you kill people while being paid by the government.Seriously , nothing new here.They do hire people titled " engineers " Dont ' get caught up in the reporting of these things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Murder: A crime that will get you jail timeInfantry: a profession where you kill people while being paid by the government.Seriously, nothing new here.They do hire people titled "engineers"Dont' get caught up in the reporting of these things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026292</id>
	<title>I'll be your John Wayne</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1265275140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies</p></div></blockquote><p>

I'm ready to serve my country. But if you want me on the team I'll need Top Secret clearance, one of those cool James Bond gun pens, a military uniform so I can get laid in bars,  and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors ' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies I 'm ready to serve my country .
But if you want me on the team I 'll need Top Secret clearance , one of those cool James Bond gun pens , a military uniform so I can get laid in bars , and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the US needs 500 to 1,000 more 'cyber warriors' every year in order to keep up with potential enemies

I'm ready to serve my country.
But if you want me on the team I'll need Top Secret clearance, one of those cool James Bond gun pens, a military uniform so I can get laid in bars,  and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026310</id>
	<title>Right before elections? Good luck!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265275200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was a pretty stupid move, now wasn't it? I know a certain 422 members of congress who likely won't be re-elected!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was a pretty stupid move , now was n't it ?
I know a certain 422 members of congress who likely wo n't be re-elected !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a pretty stupid move, now wasn't it?
I know a certain 422 members of congress who likely won't be re-elected!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026752</id>
	<title>Re:umm wat?</title>
	<author>Late Adopter</author>
	<datestamp>1265276940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Director of NIST is a Senate-confirmed position.  He's responsible to the Secretary of Commerce, and then the President, who is in turn responsible to the electorate (America is not a direct democracy, remember).
<br> <br>
A lot of business is done at the Cabinet level and below, even internationally (we have the State Department, remember, and the Office of the US Trade Representative).  Treaties that require more than existing Executive power still have to be implemented with legislation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Director of NIST is a Senate-confirmed position .
He 's responsible to the Secretary of Commerce , and then the President , who is in turn responsible to the electorate ( America is not a direct democracy , remember ) .
A lot of business is done at the Cabinet level and below , even internationally ( we have the State Department , remember , and the Office of the US Trade Representative ) .
Treaties that require more than existing Executive power still have to be implemented with legislation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Director of NIST is a Senate-confirmed position.
He's responsible to the Secretary of Commerce, and then the President, who is in turn responsible to the electorate (America is not a direct democracy, remember).
A lot of business is done at the Cabinet level and below, even internationally (we have the State Department, remember, and the Office of the US Trade Representative).
Treaties that require more than existing Executive power still have to be implemented with legislation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029150</id>
	<title>Re:I'll be your John Wayne</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265289600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jame Bond didn't need a military uniform to get laid.</p><p>OTOH, how freaking cool would it be if the Tuxedo was a military uniform? mm.. ok not too cool.</p><p>"and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos."</p><p>so a months worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jame Bond did n't need a military uniform to get laid.OTOH , how freaking cool would it be if the Tuxedo was a military uniform ?
mm.. ok not too cool .
" and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos .
" so a months worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jame Bond didn't need a military uniform to get laid.OTOH, how freaking cool would it be if the Tuxedo was a military uniform?
mm.. ok not too cool.
"and a lifetime supply of Diet Mountain Dew Code Red and Doritos.
"so a months worth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025484</id>
	<title>eeep</title>
	<author>the\_Bionic\_lemming</author>
	<datestamp>1265314140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The house overwhelmingly approved? That means it'll add to the deficit, be largely useless, and misused by RIAA.</p><p>God help us all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The house overwhelmingly approved ?
That means it 'll add to the deficit , be largely useless , and misused by RIAA.God help us all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The house overwhelmingly approved?
That means it'll add to the deficit, be largely useless, and misused by RIAA.God help us all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31027370</id>
	<title>Re:Bleh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265279700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why does the language of our policy, the words coming from the mouths of our representatives, have to be so over-simplified?</p></div></blockquote><p>So the people who watch Fox News can understand it.</p><p>And even then, they'll need Glenn Beck to tell them how they should feel about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the language of our policy , the words coming from the mouths of our representatives , have to be so over-simplified ? So the people who watch Fox News can understand it.And even then , they 'll need Glenn Beck to tell them how they should feel about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the language of our policy, the words coming from the mouths of our representatives, have to be so over-simplified?So the people who watch Fox News can understand it.And even then, they'll need Glenn Beck to tell them how they should feel about it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026792</id>
	<title>Cyber warrior...stupid name...</title>
	<author>cgrant</author>
	<datestamp>1265277120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please people, tell your Washington representatives and senators that the term is stupid and sounds like it came from a 1980's GI Joe cartoon.  Lets come up with something else other than using "cyber" and "warrior" to describe a technical, professional, information security job function.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please people , tell your Washington representatives and senators that the term is stupid and sounds like it came from a 1980 's GI Joe cartoon .
Lets come up with something else other than using " cyber " and " warrior " to describe a technical , professional , information security job function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please people, tell your Washington representatives and senators that the term is stupid and sounds like it came from a 1980's GI Joe cartoon.
Lets come up with something else other than using "cyber" and "warrior" to describe a technical, professional, information security job function.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025560</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1265314500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't have to wonder. This is one of the final moves being put in place to distance themselves from public controversy. They're expressly putting treaty powers into the hands of someone who isn't an elected official. When it finally blows open, they'll conduct an investigation, which will be tied up in committee for years. The investigation will continue until it drops off the media radar and people forget about it. In the meantime, no direct criticism can be made of ACTA -- because the investigation hasn't resolved. It's a standard PR move, and it's been done before. If the public demands blood, they'll pin it on the scapegoat -- "We Were Misled" will be the headline. But the treaty will remain.</p><p>This is how bureauacracy deals with things they know will become controversial: They elect a fall guy, and then create a web of deceit to blunt the minds of their critics and hopefully dissipate entirely any demands for their power to be reduced. And most of the time, it works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't have to wonder .
This is one of the final moves being put in place to distance themselves from public controversy .
They 're expressly putting treaty powers into the hands of someone who is n't an elected official .
When it finally blows open , they 'll conduct an investigation , which will be tied up in committee for years .
The investigation will continue until it drops off the media radar and people forget about it .
In the meantime , no direct criticism can be made of ACTA -- because the investigation has n't resolved .
It 's a standard PR move , and it 's been done before .
If the public demands blood , they 'll pin it on the scapegoat -- " We Were Misled " will be the headline .
But the treaty will remain.This is how bureauacracy deals with things they know will become controversial : They elect a fall guy , and then create a web of deceit to blunt the minds of their critics and hopefully dissipate entirely any demands for their power to be reduced .
And most of the time , it works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't have to wonder.
This is one of the final moves being put in place to distance themselves from public controversy.
They're expressly putting treaty powers into the hands of someone who isn't an elected official.
When it finally blows open, they'll conduct an investigation, which will be tied up in committee for years.
The investigation will continue until it drops off the media radar and people forget about it.
In the meantime, no direct criticism can be made of ACTA -- because the investigation hasn't resolved.
It's a standard PR move, and it's been done before.
If the public demands blood, they'll pin it on the scapegoat -- "We Were Misled" will be the headline.
But the treaty will remain.This is how bureauacracy deals with things they know will become controversial: They elect a fall guy, and then create a web of deceit to blunt the minds of their critics and hopefully dissipate entirely any demands for their power to be reduced.
And most of the time, it works.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026366</id>
	<title>Re:What the heck is a Cyber Warrior?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265275440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, it is trivial to get into any medium or large company's datacenter. And it happens all the time. I would imagine that the term "cyber-warrior" would refer to someone skilled in the craft of doing exactly that.</p><p>Are they hiring these people to "hack back" for counter-intelligence purposes? Will they be using these guys to try and get botnets all over countries we have poor relations with for intelligence-gathering purposes? Or are they hiring them merely ramp-up penetration testing efforts against our own systems?</p><p>It's hard to say, but I'm guessing there might be some of each.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , it is trivial to get into any medium or large company 's datacenter .
And it happens all the time .
I would imagine that the term " cyber-warrior " would refer to someone skilled in the craft of doing exactly that.Are they hiring these people to " hack back " for counter-intelligence purposes ?
Will they be using these guys to try and get botnets all over countries we have poor relations with for intelligence-gathering purposes ?
Or are they hiring them merely ramp-up penetration testing efforts against our own systems ? It 's hard to say , but I 'm guessing there might be some of each .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, it is trivial to get into any medium or large company's datacenter.
And it happens all the time.
I would imagine that the term "cyber-warrior" would refer to someone skilled in the craft of doing exactly that.Are they hiring these people to "hack back" for counter-intelligence purposes?
Will they be using these guys to try and get botnets all over countries we have poor relations with for intelligence-gathering purposes?
Or are they hiring them merely ramp-up penetration testing efforts against our own systems?It's hard to say, but I'm guessing there might be some of each.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026244</id>
	<title>I give up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265274900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm done fighting this stuff. I have only two questions. [1] Where do I send a resume to be a cyber warrior and [2] do I get an awesome badge?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm done fighting this stuff .
I have only two questions .
[ 1 ] Where do I send a resume to be a cyber warrior and [ 2 ] do I get an awesome badge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm done fighting this stuff.
I have only two questions.
[1] Where do I send a resume to be a cyber warrior and [2] do I get an awesome badge?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025970</id>
	<title>Re:Cyber Warriors....</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1265317080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong movie.  Cyber warriors are like <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082694/" title="imdb.com">road warriors</a> [imdb.com] except the "road" is the information super-highway.  Now, I know that's confusing because the Internets are more like tubes than like dumptrucks, but still, the Internet is exactly like a highway for information only superer.
</p><p>So much as you'd expect, these cyber warriors will be riding around in cyber-cars (aka computers) trying to hoard cyber-gasoline, and perhaps trying to get revenge for their murdered cyber-wives.  I know, it sounds funny, but you'd totally understand if you were a hacker who was familiar with cyberspace.  The most important thing is to make sure all the T1s don't break through your firewalls and get access to your IP addresses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong movie .
Cyber warriors are like road warriors [ imdb.com ] except the " road " is the information super-highway .
Now , I know that 's confusing because the Internets are more like tubes than like dumptrucks , but still , the Internet is exactly like a highway for information only superer .
So much as you 'd expect , these cyber warriors will be riding around in cyber-cars ( aka computers ) trying to hoard cyber-gasoline , and perhaps trying to get revenge for their murdered cyber-wives .
I know , it sounds funny , but you 'd totally understand if you were a hacker who was familiar with cyberspace .
The most important thing is to make sure all the T1s do n't break through your firewalls and get access to your IP addresses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong movie.
Cyber warriors are like road warriors [imdb.com] except the "road" is the information super-highway.
Now, I know that's confusing because the Internets are more like tubes than like dumptrucks, but still, the Internet is exactly like a highway for information only superer.
So much as you'd expect, these cyber warriors will be riding around in cyber-cars (aka computers) trying to hoard cyber-gasoline, and perhaps trying to get revenge for their murdered cyber-wives.
I know, it sounds funny, but you'd totally understand if you were a hacker who was familiar with cyberspace.
The most important thing is to make sure all the T1s don't break through your firewalls and get access to your IP addresses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31029106</id>
	<title>Re:too coincidental</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1265289240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, it was in the works and the outcome isn't unexpected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , it was in the works and the outcome is n't unexpected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, it was in the works and the outcome isn't unexpected.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026670</id>
	<title>This is how all treaties are made.</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1265276580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have mod points, but this sentiment has been stated several times in this thread, and I haven't seen an adequate response.</p><p>All treaties are negotiated by the executive branch on behalf of the president - it's in the constitution. They are then approved by Congress. This bill isn't taking power away from congress - they never had power to negotiate treaties to begin with and will still approve any negotiated by the NIST. If anything, this might be interpreted as taking power from the President as it limits who can negotiate treaties on standards on his behalf. In practice, this is a boring area and he will gladly let the NIST handle it, until a special case comes up at which point it will be within his constitutional power to appoint someone else if he wants, regardless of what this law says.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have mod points , but this sentiment has been stated several times in this thread , and I have n't seen an adequate response.All treaties are negotiated by the executive branch on behalf of the president - it 's in the constitution .
They are then approved by Congress .
This bill is n't taking power away from congress - they never had power to negotiate treaties to begin with and will still approve any negotiated by the NIST .
If anything , this might be interpreted as taking power from the President as it limits who can negotiate treaties on standards on his behalf .
In practice , this is a boring area and he will gladly let the NIST handle it , until a special case comes up at which point it will be within his constitutional power to appoint someone else if he wants , regardless of what this law says .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have mod points, but this sentiment has been stated several times in this thread, and I haven't seen an adequate response.All treaties are negotiated by the executive branch on behalf of the president - it's in the constitution.
They are then approved by Congress.
This bill isn't taking power away from congress - they never had power to negotiate treaties to begin with and will still approve any negotiated by the NIST.
If anything, this might be interpreted as taking power from the President as it limits who can negotiate treaties on standards on his behalf.
In practice, this is a boring area and he will gladly let the NIST handle it, until a special case comes up at which point it will be within his constitutional power to appoint someone else if he wants, regardless of what this law says.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31025418</id>
	<title>I wonder</title>
	<author>jwinster</author>
	<datestamp>1265313720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since this new body is designed to "represent the government in negotiations," I wonder if there's any relation to the ACTA treaty currently discussed behind closed doors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since this new body is designed to " represent the government in negotiations , " I wonder if there 's any relation to the ACTA treaty currently discussed behind closed doors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since this new body is designed to "represent the government in negotiations," I wonder if there's any relation to the ACTA treaty currently discussed behind closed doors.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31028138</id>
	<title>Re:So now suddenly it's OK again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265283840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can second this. My school is an SFS participant, and we push the program heavily on talented engineering students.  For someone like me, who was paying for my own education previously, the program has been great.  It's also nice knowing I'm virtually assured a job after graduation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can second this .
My school is an SFS participant , and we push the program heavily on talented engineering students .
For someone like me , who was paying for my own education previously , the program has been great .
It 's also nice knowing I 'm virtually assured a job after graduation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can second this.
My school is an SFS participant, and we push the program heavily on talented engineering students.
For someone like me, who was paying for my own education previously, the program has been great.
It's also nice knowing I'm virtually assured a job after graduation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_04_1847254.31026062</id>
	<title>Re:So now suddenly it's OK again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265274240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It gets better:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>H.Amdt. 545:<br>An amendment numbered 1 printed in House Report 111-410 to address the lack of minority representation in the cybersecurity industry including women and African-Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans. The amendment adds language in Sec. 107 to describe how successful programs are engaging said minorities and in Sec. 108 to include minority-serving institutions on the Cybersecurity University-Industry Task Force.</p></div><p>Yay, more quotas.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>H.Amdt. 548:<br>An amendment numbered 4 printed in House Report 111-410 to require the National Science Foundation to study ways to improve detection, investigation, and prosecution of cyber crimes including piracy of intellectual property, crimes against children, and organized crime.</p></div><p>Won't someone think of the children? And "This bill brought to you by the MPAA/RIAA".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It gets better : H.Amdt .
545 : An amendment numbered 1 printed in House Report 111-410 to address the lack of minority representation in the cybersecurity industry including women and African-Americans , Hispanics , and Native Americans .
The amendment adds language in Sec .
107 to describe how successful programs are engaging said minorities and in Sec .
108 to include minority-serving institutions on the Cybersecurity University-Industry Task Force.Yay , more quotas.H.Amdt .
548 : An amendment numbered 4 printed in House Report 111-410 to require the National Science Foundation to study ways to improve detection , investigation , and prosecution of cyber crimes including piracy of intellectual property , crimes against children , and organized crime.Wo n't someone think of the children ?
And " This bill brought to you by the MPAA/RIAA " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gets better:H.Amdt.
545:An amendment numbered 1 printed in House Report 111-410 to address the lack of minority representation in the cybersecurity industry including women and African-Americans, Hispanics, and Native Americans.
The amendment adds language in Sec.
107 to describe how successful programs are engaging said minorities and in Sec.
108 to include minority-serving institutions on the Cybersecurity University-Industry Task Force.Yay, more quotas.H.Amdt.
548:An amendment numbered 4 printed in House Report 111-410 to require the National Science Foundation to study ways to improve detection, investigation, and prosecution of cyber crimes including piracy of intellectual property, crimes against children, and organized crime.Won't someone think of the children?
And "This bill brought to you by the MPAA/RIAA".
	</sentencetext>
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