<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_03_2319222</id>
	<title>Europe's LHC To Run At Half-Energy Through 2011</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1265207280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:al@nOSpam.alstevens.org" rel="nofollow">quaith</a> writes <i>"ScienceInsider reports that Europe's <a href="http://blogs.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/02/european-atomsm.html">Large Hadron Collider will run at half its maximum energy</a> through 2011 and likely not at all in 2012. The previous plan was to ramp it up to 70\% of maximum energy this year. Under the new plan, the LHC will run at 7 trillion electron-volts through 2011. The LHC would then shut down for a year so workers could replace all of its 10,000 interconnects with redesigned ones allowing the LHC to run at its full 14 TeV capacity in 2013. The change raises hopes at the LHC's lower-energy rival, the Tevatron Collider at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Illinois, of being extended through 2012 instead of being shut down next year. Fermilab researchers are hoping that their machine might collect enough data to beat the LHC to the discovery of the <a href="//science.slashdot.org/story/09/02/17/0150253/Race-For-the-God-Particle-Heats-Up">Higgs boson</a>, a particle key to how physicists explain the origin of mass."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>quaith writes " ScienceInsider reports that Europe 's Large Hadron Collider will run at half its maximum energy through 2011 and likely not at all in 2012 .
The previous plan was to ramp it up to 70 \ % of maximum energy this year .
Under the new plan , the LHC will run at 7 trillion electron-volts through 2011 .
The LHC would then shut down for a year so workers could replace all of its 10,000 interconnects with redesigned ones allowing the LHC to run at its full 14 TeV capacity in 2013 .
The change raises hopes at the LHC 's lower-energy rival , the Tevatron Collider at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia , Illinois , of being extended through 2012 instead of being shut down next year .
Fermilab researchers are hoping that their machine might collect enough data to beat the LHC to the discovery of the Higgs boson , a particle key to how physicists explain the origin of mass .
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<sentencetext>quaith writes "ScienceInsider reports that Europe's Large Hadron Collider will run at half its maximum energy through 2011 and likely not at all in 2012.
The previous plan was to ramp it up to 70\% of maximum energy this year.
Under the new plan, the LHC will run at 7 trillion electron-volts through 2011.
The LHC would then shut down for a year so workers could replace all of its 10,000 interconnects with redesigned ones allowing the LHC to run at its full 14 TeV capacity in 2013.
The change raises hopes at the LHC's lower-energy rival, the Tevatron Collider at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory in Batavia, Illinois, of being extended through 2012 instead of being shut down next year.
Fermilab researchers are hoping that their machine might collect enough data to beat the LHC to the discovery of the Higgs boson, a particle key to how physicists explain the origin of mass.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31022396</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1265299560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, it means that instead of having a 0\% chance of discovering the Higgs Boson, they now have half that chance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it means that instead of having a 0 \ % chance of discovering the Higgs Boson , they now have half that chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it means that instead of having a 0\% chance of discovering the Higgs Boson, they now have half that chance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018358</id>
	<title>Maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will only create a gray hole then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will only create a gray hole then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will only create a gray hole then.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018402</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1264953600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you get a Schrodinger's black hole - it may or may not be there until you open the lid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you get a Schrodinger 's black hole - it may or may not be there until you open the lid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you get a Schrodinger's black hole - it may or may not be there until you open the lid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018324</id>
	<title>My LHC...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>,,,has far more energy than any woman can imagine!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>,,,has far more energy than any woman can imagine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>,,,has far more energy than any woman can imagine!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018292</id>
	<title>European collective</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can they do anything right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can they do anything right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can they do anything right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018436</id>
	<title>2012</title>
	<author>bigsexyjoe</author>
	<datestamp>1264953960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So it'll run at half energy through 2011 and finally surpass Fermilab in 2012 when the world is scheduled to end in most mythologies?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So it 'll run at half energy through 2011 and finally surpass Fermilab in 2012 when the world is scheduled to end in most mythologies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it'll run at half energy through 2011 and finally surpass Fermilab in 2012 when the world is scheduled to end in most mythologies?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018282</id>
	<title>Nothing to sneeze at</title>
	<author>ravenspear</author>
	<datestamp>1264952520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>7 TeV is still more than 3 times Fermilab's total collision energy.
<br> <br>
This more conservative ramp up is probably smart given the previous problems with equipment failure on the LHC. This will allow the systems to be tested thoroughly before going to max capacity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>7 TeV is still more than 3 times Fermilab 's total collision energy .
This more conservative ramp up is probably smart given the previous problems with equipment failure on the LHC .
This will allow the systems to be tested thoroughly before going to max capacity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 TeV is still more than 3 times Fermilab's total collision energy.
This more conservative ramp up is probably smart given the previous problems with equipment failure on the LHC.
This will allow the systems to be tested thoroughly before going to max capacity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018556</id>
	<title>Breathless anticipation!</title>
	<author>Maury Markowitz</author>
	<datestamp>1264955340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So now we'll only know the mass of the Higgs to the 14th decimal place?</p><p>Oh no, how shall we survive?</p><p>Maury</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So now we 'll only know the mass of the Higgs to the 14th decimal place ? Oh no , how shall we survive ? Maury</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So now we'll only know the mass of the Higgs to the 14th decimal place?Oh no, how shall we survive?Maury</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018476</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264954500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, it just means they'll be right on schedule for the end of the world in 2012 when they crank it up to full power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , it just means they 'll be right on schedule for the end of the world in 2012 when they crank it up to full power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, it just means they'll be right on schedule for the end of the world in 2012 when they crank it up to full power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023512</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265304720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Frankly, I'm a little sick of the "outrage" every time something doesn't go as planned. Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time?"</p><p>I think the outrage comes from all the hoopla and talk about how fast and soon the LHC was going to provide data and discoveries.  How they were so sure, how the design was great, that power was going to be delivered.  Even after the original magnets had dramatic problems, there was all sorts of PR about how fast they were getting things going again.  Whether<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. stories, or reading Scientific American, it's been pretty consistent that designs, countries involved, and scientists were self-congratulatory even before the thing really even got fired up for the first time.</p><p>Some of the people involved simply didn't understand the fine line between excitement at the prospect of getting things working, and boasting.</p><p>And I think there is also some sentiment, given how the Europeans have been boasting about how they finally surpassed the Americans in this area without paying due respect to how they got here (as is usual these days), or bad-mouthing American parts like the original magnets that had bad mounts or past efforts to get earlier projects (like the one in Texas that was cancelled a couple decades ago), that this is deserved.  I'm one who agrees with the sentiment but not the overall argument, because I think anytime you put others down for a failing, before you've taken your own steps or have even *done* anything, you are setting yourself up to be put in the wrong.</p><p>I wish them much success, but I hope "we" beat them given their attitude, because after all, we are much like them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Frankly , I 'm a little sick of the " outrage " every time something does n't go as planned .
Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time ?
" I think the outrage comes from all the hoopla and talk about how fast and soon the LHC was going to provide data and discoveries .
How they were so sure , how the design was great , that power was going to be delivered .
Even after the original magnets had dramatic problems , there was all sorts of PR about how fast they were getting things going again .
Whether / .
stories , or reading Scientific American , it 's been pretty consistent that designs , countries involved , and scientists were self-congratulatory even before the thing really even got fired up for the first time.Some of the people involved simply did n't understand the fine line between excitement at the prospect of getting things working , and boasting.And I think there is also some sentiment , given how the Europeans have been boasting about how they finally surpassed the Americans in this area without paying due respect to how they got here ( as is usual these days ) , or bad-mouthing American parts like the original magnets that had bad mounts or past efforts to get earlier projects ( like the one in Texas that was cancelled a couple decades ago ) , that this is deserved .
I 'm one who agrees with the sentiment but not the overall argument , because I think anytime you put others down for a failing , before you 've taken your own steps or have even * done * anything , you are setting yourself up to be put in the wrong.I wish them much success , but I hope " we " beat them given their attitude , because after all , we are much like them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Frankly, I'm a little sick of the "outrage" every time something doesn't go as planned.
Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time?
"I think the outrage comes from all the hoopla and talk about how fast and soon the LHC was going to provide data and discoveries.
How they were so sure, how the design was great, that power was going to be delivered.
Even after the original magnets had dramatic problems, there was all sorts of PR about how fast they were getting things going again.
Whether /.
stories, or reading Scientific American, it's been pretty consistent that designs, countries involved, and scientists were self-congratulatory even before the thing really even got fired up for the first time.Some of the people involved simply didn't understand the fine line between excitement at the prospect of getting things working, and boasting.And I think there is also some sentiment, given how the Europeans have been boasting about how they finally surpassed the Americans in this area without paying due respect to how they got here (as is usual these days), or bad-mouthing American parts like the original magnets that had bad mounts or past efforts to get earlier projects (like the one in Texas that was cancelled a couple decades ago), that this is deserved.
I'm one who agrees with the sentiment but not the overall argument, because I think anytime you put others down for a failing, before you've taken your own steps or have even *done* anything, you are setting yourself up to be put in the wrong.I wish them much success, but I hope "we" beat them given their attitude, because after all, we are much like them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020668</id>
	<title>I'm all for blue sky research...</title>
	<author>Viol8</author>
	<datestamp>1265286660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. but theres a limit and the amount of money the LHC is using up is taking the piss. Like it or not science is NOT and end in itself - its exists to benefit mankind. If there is little or no benefit for all these billions spent then IMO they would be better spent elsewhere. I'm sorry if that upsets some people but theres nothing special about particle physics than means it alone should get virtually a blank cheque for any scheme that is dreamt up for it. Some returns are needed from this potential white elephant and fast, and I don't just mean in some more chapters for postgraduate textbooks or something for professors to argue over in university debates. This money comes from taxpayers - us - it didn't grow on trees and I think it reasonable to expect taxpayers to get something back from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. but theres a limit and the amount of money the LHC is using up is taking the piss .
Like it or not science is NOT and end in itself - its exists to benefit mankind .
If there is little or no benefit for all these billions spent then IMO they would be better spent elsewhere .
I 'm sorry if that upsets some people but theres nothing special about particle physics than means it alone should get virtually a blank cheque for any scheme that is dreamt up for it .
Some returns are needed from this potential white elephant and fast , and I do n't just mean in some more chapters for postgraduate textbooks or something for professors to argue over in university debates .
This money comes from taxpayers - us - it did n't grow on trees and I think it reasonable to expect taxpayers to get something back from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. but theres a limit and the amount of money the LHC is using up is taking the piss.
Like it or not science is NOT and end in itself - its exists to benefit mankind.
If there is little or no benefit for all these billions spent then IMO they would be better spent elsewhere.
I'm sorry if that upsets some people but theres nothing special about particle physics than means it alone should get virtually a blank cheque for any scheme that is dreamt up for it.
Some returns are needed from this potential white elephant and fast, and I don't just mean in some more chapters for postgraduate textbooks or something for professors to argue over in university debates.
This money comes from taxpayers - us - it didn't grow on trees and I think it reasonable to expect taxpayers to get something back from it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018184</id>
	<title>Slash Tank (British viewers: think Dragon's Den)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You want $5.5 Billion? And the stated goal is to learn about particles that don't apply to anything Newtonian? Excuse me... how do you expect to make this money back? No way I'm investing in this. Consider me "out".</p><p>Announcer: "The first Slashdotter is out. Femilab needs to raise $5.5 billion from the other Slashdotters or they leave with nothing."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You want $ 5.5 Billion ?
And the stated goal is to learn about particles that do n't apply to anything Newtonian ?
Excuse me... how do you expect to make this money back ?
No way I 'm investing in this .
Consider me " out " .Announcer : " The first Slashdotter is out .
Femilab needs to raise $ 5.5 billion from the other Slashdotters or they leave with nothing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want $5.5 Billion?
And the stated goal is to learn about particles that don't apply to anything Newtonian?
Excuse me... how do you expect to make this money back?
No way I'm investing in this.
Consider me "out".Announcer: "The first Slashdotter is out.
Femilab needs to raise $5.5 billion from the other Slashdotters or they leave with nothing.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018452</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264954200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The interconnects are rather complex superconducting devices, not simple electronic connections. It certainly would have been possible to design them with a higher safety factor, but that would have increased the cost. If that approach had been taken with all of the critical components for the machine, the overall cost would have been significantly higher. Unfortunately for a large cutting edge project on a tight budget, you need to take some technical risks. Over the next 10 years we will see if they put a reasonable safety factor on the overall design.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The interconnects are rather complex superconducting devices , not simple electronic connections .
It certainly would have been possible to design them with a higher safety factor , but that would have increased the cost .
If that approach had been taken with all of the critical components for the machine , the overall cost would have been significantly higher .
Unfortunately for a large cutting edge project on a tight budget , you need to take some technical risks .
Over the next 10 years we will see if they put a reasonable safety factor on the overall design .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The interconnects are rather complex superconducting devices, not simple electronic connections.
It certainly would have been possible to design them with a higher safety factor, but that would have increased the cost.
If that approach had been taken with all of the critical components for the machine, the overall cost would have been significantly higher.
Unfortunately for a large cutting edge project on a tight budget, you need to take some technical risks.
Over the next 10 years we will see if they put a reasonable safety factor on the overall design.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018644</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>bdwlangm</author>
	<datestamp>1264956420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll be outraged when this somehow costs me something.  That said, even if I was helping pay for this, what they're doing hasn't been done before (at this scale anyway).  It is a high risk investment by nature.  If you never want to read about things going wrong, don't read about science.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be outraged when this somehow costs me something .
That said , even if I was helping pay for this , what they 're doing has n't been done before ( at this scale anyway ) .
It is a high risk investment by nature .
If you never want to read about things going wrong , do n't read about science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be outraged when this somehow costs me something.
That said, even if I was helping pay for this, what they're doing hasn't been done before (at this scale anyway).
It is a high risk investment by nature.
If you never want to read about things going wrong, don't read about science.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018894</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty of low aspirations</title>
	<author>Idarubicin</author>
	<datestamp>1264959180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hard to get all worked up about this when the people running the program don't seem to be concerned about accomplishing anything significant. Sort of like spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft, and after all the money is spent, flying it subsonic for a year or so, and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it.</p></div><p>
Well, no.  It sounds like they're <i>quite</i> concerned about doing something useful after spending those billions of euros.  They still have the most powerful particle accelerator on Earth by a good margin, even if it's not up to its full design power (yet).  They can do some solid science, good experiments, collect a year's worth of data and test all of their detectors and other hardware.
</p><p>
After that, they'll have a year with the beam turned off, in which they can actually <i>analyze</i> the mountains of data that were generated during a year of experimental runs.  In addition to replacing the magnet interconnects, experimenters will have a year to fix any problems that come to light with detectors and other experiment hardware and software.  This period of operation means that there <i>shouldn't</i> be any unpleasasnt surprises when they do go to full power, because they'll have had a year of 7 TeV operation to shake out all the bugs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard to get all worked up about this when the people running the program do n't seem to be concerned about accomplishing anything significant .
Sort of like spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft , and after all the money is spent , flying it subsonic for a year or so , and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it .
Well , no .
It sounds like they 're quite concerned about doing something useful after spending those billions of euros .
They still have the most powerful particle accelerator on Earth by a good margin , even if it 's not up to its full design power ( yet ) .
They can do some solid science , good experiments , collect a year 's worth of data and test all of their detectors and other hardware .
After that , they 'll have a year with the beam turned off , in which they can actually analyze the mountains of data that were generated during a year of experimental runs .
In addition to replacing the magnet interconnects , experimenters will have a year to fix any problems that come to light with detectors and other experiment hardware and software .
This period of operation means that there should n't be any unpleasasnt surprises when they do go to full power , because they 'll have had a year of 7 TeV operation to shake out all the bugs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to get all worked up about this when the people running the program don't seem to be concerned about accomplishing anything significant.
Sort of like spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft, and after all the money is spent, flying it subsonic for a year or so, and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it.
Well, no.
It sounds like they're quite concerned about doing something useful after spending those billions of euros.
They still have the most powerful particle accelerator on Earth by a good margin, even if it's not up to its full design power (yet).
They can do some solid science, good experiments, collect a year's worth of data and test all of their detectors and other hardware.
After that, they'll have a year with the beam turned off, in which they can actually analyze the mountains of data that were generated during a year of experimental runs.
In addition to replacing the magnet interconnects, experimenters will have a year to fix any problems that come to light with detectors and other experiment hardware and software.
This period of operation means that there shouldn't be any unpleasasnt surprises when they do go to full power, because they'll have had a year of 7 TeV operation to shake out all the bugs.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018232</id>
	<title>Baguette</title>
	<author>garethw</author>
	<datestamp>1264952040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever happened to that bird who dropped a baguette into the reactor and caused a zillion dollars of damage?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever happened to that bird who dropped a baguette into the reactor and caused a zillion dollars of damage ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever happened to that bird who dropped a baguette into the reactor and caused a zillion dollars of damage?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018432</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?</p><p>No, it means you can be totally at ease and 0\% afraid.</p><p>It also means they've seen the movie and don't want to go off script.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they 're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth ? No , it means you can be totally at ease and 0 \ % afraid.It also means they 've seen the movie and do n't want to go off script .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?No, it means you can be totally at ease and 0\% afraid.It also means they've seen the movie and don't want to go off script.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018246</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/\<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/\/\<br> <br> Triforce!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>/ \ / \ / \ Triforce !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext> /\ /\/\  Triforce!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31022516</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265300040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For make graet victory!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For make graet victory !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For make graet victory!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018268</id>
	<title>Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>DougF</author>
	<datestamp>1264952400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>at (apparently) no one being fired for designing interconnects that only allow the LHC to run at 1/2 power?  I may not be a scientist, but shouldn't a design cover the requirements?  Then, to lose a year's work on top of that, and no one is getting their wrist slapped or even sued?</htmltext>
<tokenext>at ( apparently ) no one being fired for designing interconnects that only allow the LHC to run at 1/2 power ?
I may not be a scientist , but should n't a design cover the requirements ?
Then , to lose a year 's work on top of that , and no one is getting their wrist slapped or even sued ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at (apparently) no one being fired for designing interconnects that only allow the LHC to run at 1/2 power?
I may not be a scientist, but shouldn't a design cover the requirements?
Then, to lose a year's work on top of that, and no one is getting their wrist slapped or even sued?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018518</id>
	<title>Re:Slash Tank (British viewers: think Dragon's Den</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1264954860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they can claim that it has to do something with global warming and the giant sound of sucking machines, and micro-black holes will start getting the money for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they can claim that it has to do something with global warming and the giant sound of sucking machines , and micro-black holes will start getting the money for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they can claim that it has to do something with global warming and the giant sound of sucking machines, and micro-black holes will start getting the money for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018608</id>
	<title>What I don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pardon me for my ignorance. What I don't understand is: do none of these problems show up when a short segment of the ring is built and operated at somewhat above its target power? I get the impression that the failures are in magnetic focusing components rather than the beam. Is that not correct?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pardon me for my ignorance .
What I do n't understand is : do none of these problems show up when a short segment of the ring is built and operated at somewhat above its target power ?
I get the impression that the failures are in magnetic focusing components rather than the beam .
Is that not correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pardon me for my ignorance.
What I don't understand is: do none of these problems show up when a short segment of the ring is built and operated at somewhat above its target power?
I get the impression that the failures are in magnetic focusing components rather than the beam.
Is that not correct?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020060</id>
	<title>Re:Luminosity more important than energy</title>
	<author>craklyn</author>
	<datestamp>1265278020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to my professor (who is very involved in the LHC) the first LHC run will be collecting an integrated luminoscity of 1 fb^-1.
</p><p>
Another professor mentioned today that by the end of the Tevatron's life (in a couple years), it will have collected 12 fb^-1.  This is over it's 10-ish year life span.</p><p> At this point, some may wonder why the LHC is unable to keep pace with the Tevatron, the old toy.  These machines are very complicated, and apparently don't work nearly to maximum efficiency out of the box.  Check out this plot of the amount of data collected at the tevatron versus year.  The slope is rising continuously, as they improve their beam and detectors to handle more collisions:  </p><p>
<a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/files/2009/09/IntegratedLuminosity.gif" title="discovermagazine.com" rel="nofollow">Tevatron Integrated Luminosity</a> [discovermagazine.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to my professor ( who is very involved in the LHC ) the first LHC run will be collecting an integrated luminoscity of 1 fb ^ -1 .
Another professor mentioned today that by the end of the Tevatron 's life ( in a couple years ) , it will have collected 12 fb ^ -1 .
This is over it 's 10-ish year life span .
At this point , some may wonder why the LHC is unable to keep pace with the Tevatron , the old toy .
These machines are very complicated , and apparently do n't work nearly to maximum efficiency out of the box .
Check out this plot of the amount of data collected at the tevatron versus year .
The slope is rising continuously , as they improve their beam and detectors to handle more collisions : Tevatron Integrated Luminosity [ discovermagazine.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to my professor (who is very involved in the LHC) the first LHC run will be collecting an integrated luminoscity of 1 fb^-1.
Another professor mentioned today that by the end of the Tevatron's life (in a couple years), it will have collected 12 fb^-1.
This is over it's 10-ish year life span.
At this point, some may wonder why the LHC is unable to keep pace with the Tevatron, the old toy.
These machines are very complicated, and apparently don't work nearly to maximum efficiency out of the box.
Check out this plot of the amount of data collected at the tevatron versus year.
The slope is rising continuously, as they improve their beam and detectors to handle more collisions:  
Tevatron Integrated Luminosity [discovermagazine.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019224</id>
	<title>Re:What I don't understand</title>
	<author>The\_Wilschon</author>
	<datestamp>1264963260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The failures, or rather misdesigns/misbuilds, are in "copper bus bars".  These effectively act as shorts across the superconducting electromagnet coils.  Since the coils are normally superconducting (when at cryogenic temperatures), the short does nothing.  But if the coil gets ever so slightly above its critical temperature, it ceases to be superconducting.  At that point, it still has very very low resistance, but the current through it is so enormous that it heats up rapidly.  When it gets to a certain temperature, its resistance becomes comparable to the resistance of the copper bus bar shorting it, and the current starts to flow more and more through the copper, thus protecting the superconductor from getting too much hotter.  At least, that's what is supposed to happen.

</p><p>What is wrong is that some of the solder joints for the bus bars are not good, and have too high of a resistance.  A higher resistance in the bus bar system means a higher superconductor temperature before the current starts to flow through the copper, and in the end, this means damage to magnets.

</p><p>I'm not sure what level of testing was done, but building a short segment and testing it up to slightly above design spec is probably not really feasible.  In order to get the particles to the eventual energies, you need the whole ring to be in working order, because it takes tons of complete circles around the ring to accelerate the particles.  Injection from the SPS to the LHC occurs at 1/14th the design beam energy, and the LHC ring takes it up from there.

</p><p>Even if you could inject 7 TeV protons into a short segment of the ring, you'd still not be able to get the design beam intensity that way, because you don't have all 2000+ bunches ready for injection at once.

</p><p>You could run the magnet intensities up to what is needed to bend a beam in a tight enough circle at high enough energies even without any actual beam in there, and this was probably done.  However, quenches (magnets getting above critical temp) happen principally because of the beam.  The beam loses particles and energy at a fairly high rate due to a variety of effects, and all those particles and all that energy goes into heating something, usually the bending magnets.  I suppose you could do a deliberate quench by playing with the cryo, though.  Perhaps that was done, and we were unfortunate enough to have tested only good subsystems this way.

</p><p>As you may have guessed, I am a particle physicist (on CDF), but not a beams engineer.  So, some of the above is guesswork, but I hope I've been able to relieve some of your ignorance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The failures , or rather misdesigns/misbuilds , are in " copper bus bars " .
These effectively act as shorts across the superconducting electromagnet coils .
Since the coils are normally superconducting ( when at cryogenic temperatures ) , the short does nothing .
But if the coil gets ever so slightly above its critical temperature , it ceases to be superconducting .
At that point , it still has very very low resistance , but the current through it is so enormous that it heats up rapidly .
When it gets to a certain temperature , its resistance becomes comparable to the resistance of the copper bus bar shorting it , and the current starts to flow more and more through the copper , thus protecting the superconductor from getting too much hotter .
At least , that 's what is supposed to happen .
What is wrong is that some of the solder joints for the bus bars are not good , and have too high of a resistance .
A higher resistance in the bus bar system means a higher superconductor temperature before the current starts to flow through the copper , and in the end , this means damage to magnets .
I 'm not sure what level of testing was done , but building a short segment and testing it up to slightly above design spec is probably not really feasible .
In order to get the particles to the eventual energies , you need the whole ring to be in working order , because it takes tons of complete circles around the ring to accelerate the particles .
Injection from the SPS to the LHC occurs at 1/14th the design beam energy , and the LHC ring takes it up from there .
Even if you could inject 7 TeV protons into a short segment of the ring , you 'd still not be able to get the design beam intensity that way , because you do n't have all 2000 + bunches ready for injection at once .
You could run the magnet intensities up to what is needed to bend a beam in a tight enough circle at high enough energies even without any actual beam in there , and this was probably done .
However , quenches ( magnets getting above critical temp ) happen principally because of the beam .
The beam loses particles and energy at a fairly high rate due to a variety of effects , and all those particles and all that energy goes into heating something , usually the bending magnets .
I suppose you could do a deliberate quench by playing with the cryo , though .
Perhaps that was done , and we were unfortunate enough to have tested only good subsystems this way .
As you may have guessed , I am a particle physicist ( on CDF ) , but not a beams engineer .
So , some of the above is guesswork , but I hope I 've been able to relieve some of your ignorance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The failures, or rather misdesigns/misbuilds, are in "copper bus bars".
These effectively act as shorts across the superconducting electromagnet coils.
Since the coils are normally superconducting (when at cryogenic temperatures), the short does nothing.
But if the coil gets ever so slightly above its critical temperature, it ceases to be superconducting.
At that point, it still has very very low resistance, but the current through it is so enormous that it heats up rapidly.
When it gets to a certain temperature, its resistance becomes comparable to the resistance of the copper bus bar shorting it, and the current starts to flow more and more through the copper, thus protecting the superconductor from getting too much hotter.
At least, that's what is supposed to happen.
What is wrong is that some of the solder joints for the bus bars are not good, and have too high of a resistance.
A higher resistance in the bus bar system means a higher superconductor temperature before the current starts to flow through the copper, and in the end, this means damage to magnets.
I'm not sure what level of testing was done, but building a short segment and testing it up to slightly above design spec is probably not really feasible.
In order to get the particles to the eventual energies, you need the whole ring to be in working order, because it takes tons of complete circles around the ring to accelerate the particles.
Injection from the SPS to the LHC occurs at 1/14th the design beam energy, and the LHC ring takes it up from there.
Even if you could inject 7 TeV protons into a short segment of the ring, you'd still not be able to get the design beam intensity that way, because you don't have all 2000+ bunches ready for injection at once.
You could run the magnet intensities up to what is needed to bend a beam in a tight enough circle at high enough energies even without any actual beam in there, and this was probably done.
However, quenches (magnets getting above critical temp) happen principally because of the beam.
The beam loses particles and energy at a fairly high rate due to a variety of effects, and all those particles and all that energy goes into heating something, usually the bending magnets.
I suppose you could do a deliberate quench by playing with the cryo, though.
Perhaps that was done, and we were unfortunate enough to have tested only good subsystems this way.
As you may have guessed, I am a particle physicist (on CDF), but not a beams engineer.
So, some of the above is guesswork, but I hope I've been able to relieve some of your ignorance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31027154</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Alcoholist</author>
	<datestamp>1265278680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love to be a contractor on that, tho.  Keeping that finicky thing running could be a job for life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to be a contractor on that , tho .
Keeping that finicky thing running could be a job for life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to be a contractor on that, tho.
Keeping that finicky thing running could be a job for life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018450</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264954140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's probably time traveler sabotage, anyway.</p><p>Or more accurately, they designed the thing as well as they could in the past, and now we're in the present and they're being conservative about the future.</p><p>You know, to avoid blowing the damn thing up catastrophically.  It doesn't take much for a quadrillion-dollar investment like that to blow itself up spectacularly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's probably time traveler sabotage , anyway.Or more accurately , they designed the thing as well as they could in the past , and now we 're in the present and they 're being conservative about the future.You know , to avoid blowing the damn thing up catastrophically .
It does n't take much for a quadrillion-dollar investment like that to blow itself up spectacularly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's probably time traveler sabotage, anyway.Or more accurately, they designed the thing as well as they could in the past, and now we're in the present and they're being conservative about the future.You know, to avoid blowing the damn thing up catastrophically.
It doesn't take much for a quadrillion-dollar investment like that to blow itself up spectacularly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019568</id>
	<title>Re:Baguette</title>
	<author>lostmongoose</author>
	<datestamp>1265314260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>he learned where not to toast his epic bread.</htmltext>
<tokenext>he learned where not to toast his epic bread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he learned where not to toast his epic bread.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018464</id>
	<title>Re:Damn...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264954380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>7 TeV is about 1 microjoule, which is the energy that a 400 Watt computer would use in 3 nanoseconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>7 TeV is about 1 microjoule , which is the energy that a 400 Watt computer would use in 3 nanoseconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 TeV is about 1 microjoule, which is the energy that a 400 Watt computer would use in 3 nanoseconds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018586</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>rickb928</author>
	<datestamp>1264955640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, the black hole will only be half as big<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , the black hole will only be half as big : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, the black hole will only be half as big :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018944</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264959660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no such thing as half a hole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no such thing as half a hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no such thing as half a hole.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018276</id>
	<title>Re:Baguette</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1264952460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fucking birds...</p><p>Flying into plane engines, dropping baguettes into the LHC, making family guy memes...we should exterminate them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fucking birds...Flying into plane engines , dropping baguettes into the LHC , making family guy memes...we should exterminate them ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fucking birds...Flying into plane engines, dropping baguettes into the LHC, making family guy memes...we should exterminate them ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020020</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Petersson</author>
	<datestamp>1265277420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?</p></div><p>Actually, the black hole is already existing and growing. At the moment, it sucks money only. And yes, it's called LHC.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they 're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth ? Actually , the black hole is already existing and growing .
At the moment , it sucks money only .
And yes , it 's called LHC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?Actually, the black hole is already existing and growing.
At the moment, it sucks money only.
And yes, it's called LHC.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018456</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>triorph</author>
	<datestamp>1264954200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could be that there was a response and that it happened in private? There's no reason why anything like this had to be public.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could be that there was a response and that it happened in private ?
There 's no reason why anything like this had to be public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could be that there was a response and that it happened in private?
There's no reason why anything like this had to be public.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019582</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265314440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Frankly, I'm a little sick of the "outrage" every time something doesn't go as planned.  Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time?</p></div><p>Hello?  Since Obama was elected.  Duh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly , I 'm a little sick of the " outrage " every time something does n't go as planned .
Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time ? Hello ?
Since Obama was elected .
Duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly, I'm a little sick of the "outrage" every time something doesn't go as planned.
Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time?Hello?
Since Obama was elected.
Duh.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018784</id>
	<title>Re:Damn...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264958040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The beam energy at 7TeV is 362 megajoules. This is about the energy that you could get by maxing out a household mains connection (230V 20A) for one day, or about the energy content of 11 liters of gasoline. Quite a bit, but not huge at energy scales.</p><p>Of course, the beauty of the LHC is that it accomplishes this energy in the form of a particle beam circling the collider at near the speed of light. This means that the power of the beam is about 4 terawatts if my math is right, so it could power about 3300 DeLorean time machines (not for very long, though). Keep in mind that this power is circling endlessly in the LHC, so it isn't being consumed - the actual electric power consumption to run the whole LHC is "only" about 120 megawatts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The beam energy at 7TeV is 362 megajoules .
This is about the energy that you could get by maxing out a household mains connection ( 230V 20A ) for one day , or about the energy content of 11 liters of gasoline .
Quite a bit , but not huge at energy scales.Of course , the beauty of the LHC is that it accomplishes this energy in the form of a particle beam circling the collider at near the speed of light .
This means that the power of the beam is about 4 terawatts if my math is right , so it could power about 3300 DeLorean time machines ( not for very long , though ) .
Keep in mind that this power is circling endlessly in the LHC , so it is n't being consumed - the actual electric power consumption to run the whole LHC is " only " about 120 megawatts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The beam energy at 7TeV is 362 megajoules.
This is about the energy that you could get by maxing out a household mains connection (230V 20A) for one day, or about the energy content of 11 liters of gasoline.
Quite a bit, but not huge at energy scales.Of course, the beauty of the LHC is that it accomplishes this energy in the form of a particle beam circling the collider at near the speed of light.
This means that the power of the beam is about 4 terawatts if my math is right, so it could power about 3300 DeLorean time machines (not for very long, though).
Keep in mind that this power is circling endlessly in the LHC, so it isn't being consumed - the actual electric power consumption to run the whole LHC is "only" about 120 megawatts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019246</id>
	<title>Re:Full speed in 2013??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264963620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could just be foreshadowing at it's finest. Who knows, maybe the Mayans we're off by a year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could just be foreshadowing at it 's finest .
Who knows , maybe the Mayans we 're off by a year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could just be foreshadowing at it's finest.
Who knows, maybe the Mayans we're off by a year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018306</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019940</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>qmaqdk</author>
	<datestamp>1265276220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe you get a Schrodinger's black hole - it may or may not be there until you open the lid.</p></div><p>No, no, no. It's both there AND not there until you open the lid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you get a Schrodinger 's black hole - it may or may not be there until you open the lid.No , no , no .
It 's both there AND not there until you open the lid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you get a Schrodinger's black hole - it may or may not be there until you open the lid.No, no, no.
It's both there AND not there until you open the lid.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018402</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31022242</id>
	<title>Re:Damn...</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1265298660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>7 TeV is about a microjoule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>7 TeV is about a microjoule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 TeV is about a microjoule.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018784</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019236</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>NetNed</author>
	<datestamp>1264963380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cool. Then we get to go through the black hole, fall in love with a slave girl, save her society from the god Ra and live out our days in peace on a far away planet? So what are we waiting for? Lets fire this puppy up full throttle!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool .
Then we get to go through the black hole , fall in love with a slave girl , save her society from the god Ra and live out our days in peace on a far away planet ?
So what are we waiting for ?
Lets fire this puppy up full throttle !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool.
Then we get to go through the black hole, fall in love with a slave girl, save her society from the god Ra and live out our days in peace on a far away planet?
So what are we waiting for?
Lets fire this puppy up full throttle!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018402</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019958</id>
	<title>Re:2012</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265276580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>2012 when the world is scheduled to end in most mythologies?</i>

<p>Most mythologies? Can you list them? I thought that only some mythologies even included an end-of-the-world scenario, and of those, almost all are wise enough not to give a date. So I'm puzzled by this claim. Can you specify which mythologies include an end of the world in 2012, so that we can see whether they form a majority?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2012 when the world is scheduled to end in most mythologies ?
Most mythologies ?
Can you list them ?
I thought that only some mythologies even included an end-of-the-world scenario , and of those , almost all are wise enough not to give a date .
So I 'm puzzled by this claim .
Can you specify which mythologies include an end of the world in 2012 , so that we can see whether they form a majority ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2012 when the world is scheduled to end in most mythologies?
Most mythologies?
Can you list them?
I thought that only some mythologies even included an end-of-the-world scenario, and of those, almost all are wise enough not to give a date.
So I'm puzzled by this claim.
Can you specify which mythologies include an end of the world in 2012, so that we can see whether they form a majority?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31021746</id>
	<title>Re:Pity that sort of money isn't available ....</title>
	<author>markov\_chain</author>
	<datestamp>1265296200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you serious?  None of those more useful things you listed would be here without, say, nuclear physics.  Scanning microscopes, NMRI, VLSI... heh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you serious ?
None of those more useful things you listed would be here without , say , nuclear physics .
Scanning microscopes , NMRI , VLSI... heh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you serious?
None of those more useful things you listed would be here without, say, nuclear physics.
Scanning microscopes, NMRI, VLSI... heh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020702</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023902</id>
	<title>Re:Baguette</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1265306700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He got out through zee Window.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He got out through zee Window .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He got out through zee Window.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019714</id>
	<title>Re:What I don't understand</title>
	<author>Bruce Perens</author>
	<datestamp>1265316360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you very much, you explained it well and I understand more now.</p><p>Wouldn't a quench have a huge back-EMF associated with it as the field collapses? I don't see any alternative but for much of that energy to go through the coil-bar circuit and heat the coil up more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you very much , you explained it well and I understand more now.Would n't a quench have a huge back-EMF associated with it as the field collapses ?
I do n't see any alternative but for much of that energy to go through the coil-bar circuit and heat the coil up more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you very much, you explained it well and I understand more now.Wouldn't a quench have a huge back-EMF associated with it as the field collapses?
I don't see any alternative but for much of that energy to go through the coil-bar circuit and heat the coil up more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018306</id>
	<title>Full speed in 2013??</title>
	<author>Khan</author>
	<datestamp>1264952760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, HEL-LO?!! Have you guys forgotten that the world is going to end in 2012?!! I think you might want to ramp it up all the way in 2011...just in case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , HEL-LO ? ! !
Have you guys forgotten that the world is going to end in 2012 ? ! !
I think you might want to ramp it up all the way in 2011...just in case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, HEL-LO?!!
Have you guys forgotten that the world is going to end in 2012?!!
I think you might want to ramp it up all the way in 2011...just in case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018170</id>
	<title>Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they 're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018712</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264957080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>./\<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/\/\

triforce you fag!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>./ \ / \ / \ triforce you fag !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>./\ /\/\

triforce you fag!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020442</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265283540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is everything bioling down to money.</p><p>It should surely be a case of whether or not this potential discovery will benefit the inhabitants of this planet in a profound way.<br>If the discovery of Higgs B will change all we know about science and the universe, then it will be an evolutionary step, a first step in greater undertanding of who we are and what we are part of on a much grander scale than this rock we inhabit.</p><p>I for one dont care about money or tax-payers dollars etc if we are on the verge of discovering something that changes everything.<br>And if thats the case, it deserves the time to get it right.</p><p>Of course the otherside of the coin is that it's all a load of bull to let scientists play around for free on our tax money. If that is the case, I truly feel sorry for us as a race, we probably dont deserve to evolve any further, as we are on the slow path to our destruction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is everything bioling down to money.It should surely be a case of whether or not this potential discovery will benefit the inhabitants of this planet in a profound way.If the discovery of Higgs B will change all we know about science and the universe , then it will be an evolutionary step , a first step in greater undertanding of who we are and what we are part of on a much grander scale than this rock we inhabit.I for one dont care about money or tax-payers dollars etc if we are on the verge of discovering something that changes everything.And if thats the case , it deserves the time to get it right.Of course the otherside of the coin is that it 's all a load of bull to let scientists play around for free on our tax money .
If that is the case , I truly feel sorry for us as a race , we probably dont deserve to evolve any further , as we are on the slow path to our destruction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is everything bioling down to money.It should surely be a case of whether or not this potential discovery will benefit the inhabitants of this planet in a profound way.If the discovery of Higgs B will change all we know about science and the universe, then it will be an evolutionary step, a first step in greater undertanding of who we are and what we are part of on a much grander scale than this rock we inhabit.I for one dont care about money or tax-payers dollars etc if we are on the verge of discovering something that changes everything.And if thats the case, it deserves the time to get it right.Of course the otherside of the coin is that it's all a load of bull to let scientists play around for free on our tax money.
If that is the case, I truly feel sorry for us as a race, we probably dont deserve to evolve any further, as we are on the slow path to our destruction.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018632</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31021646</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265295600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of the LHC is in France - no one gets fired in France.</p><p>The rest is in Switzerland - they're neutral, so don't like to 'take sides' on who's fault it was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the LHC is in France - no one gets fired in France.The rest is in Switzerland - they 're neutral , so do n't like to 'take sides ' on who 's fault it was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the LHC is in France - no one gets fired in France.The rest is in Switzerland - they're neutral, so don't like to 'take sides' on who's fault it was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018364</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I may not be a scientist, but shouldn't a design cover the requirements? </i></p><p>It is an unprecedented scientific experiment, not the some sort of business logic application coded in Java that you undoubtedly do for a living.</p><p>Yeeesh, cover the requirements indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I may not be a scientist , but should n't a design cover the requirements ?
It is an unprecedented scientific experiment , not the some sort of business logic application coded in Java that you undoubtedly do for a living.Yeeesh , cover the requirements indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I may not be a scientist, but shouldn't a design cover the requirements?
It is an unprecedented scientific experiment, not the some sort of business logic application coded in Java that you undoubtedly do for a living.Yeeesh, cover the requirements indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023596</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty of low aspirations</title>
	<author>Maury Markowitz</author>
	<datestamp>1265305080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft, and after all the money is spent,<br>&gt; flying it subsonic for a year or so, and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it</p><p>Which is EXACTLY what happened to the Concordski.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft , and after all the money is spent , &gt; flying it subsonic for a year or so , and then grounding it for another year to re-wire itWhich is EXACTLY what happened to the Concordski .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft, and after all the money is spent,&gt; flying it subsonic for a year or so, and then grounding it for another year to re-wire itWhich is EXACTLY what happened to the Concordski.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018378</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you misunderstand how larger government woks projects are run, and why. Physics is only an <i>ancillary</i> benefit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you misunderstand how larger government woks projects are run , and why .
Physics is only an ancillary benefit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you misunderstand how larger government woks projects are run, and why.
Physics is only an ancillary benefit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023878</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>orient</author>
	<datestamp>1265306580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me guess... you're american!

You're kidding, right? They designed it, they would have to sue themselves. And if they sue somebody, would that make the Higgs boson reveal itself?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess... you 're american !
You 're kidding , right ?
They designed it , they would have to sue themselves .
And if they sue somebody , would that make the Higgs boson reveal itself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess... you're american!
You're kidding, right?
They designed it, they would have to sue themselves.
And if they sue somebody, would that make the Higgs boson reveal itself?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31021118</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Webcommando</author>
	<datestamp>1265291940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMG..The real truth is out there.  This is just an excuse to have the device shut down during 2012.  They didn't want to be responsible for the 2012 Mayan prophecy coming true.  It make so much sense now!<br> <br>
Not that I believe that sort of thing but it is the first thought that popped in my head while reading the summary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG..The real truth is out there .
This is just an excuse to have the device shut down during 2012 .
They did n't want to be responsible for the 2012 Mayan prophecy coming true .
It make so much sense now !
Not that I believe that sort of thing but it is the first thought that popped in my head while reading the summary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG..The real truth is out there.
This is just an excuse to have the device shut down during 2012.
They didn't want to be responsible for the 2012 Mayan prophecy coming true.
It make so much sense now!
Not that I believe that sort of thing but it is the first thought that popped in my head while reading the summary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019068</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty of low aspirations</title>
	<author>KibibyteBrain</author>
	<datestamp>1264961100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a professional electronics engineer, my assessment is that there is no PROPER way to build a 14 TeV particle accelerator. Point me to the application note for it if I happened to overlook it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a professional electronics engineer , my assessment is that there is no PROPER way to build a 14 TeV particle accelerator .
Point me to the application note for it if I happened to overlook it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a professional electronics engineer, my assessment is that there is no PROPER way to build a 14 TeV particle accelerator.
Point me to the application note for it if I happened to overlook it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018580</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020546</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>AbRASiON</author>
	<datestamp>1265285040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be an American.<br>Something is broken / wrong / not flawless, maybe we should sue them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be an American.Something is broken / wrong / not flawless , maybe we should sue them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be an American.Something is broken / wrong / not flawless, maybe we should sue them!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31019606</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>cbope</author>
	<datestamp>1265314920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is Gordon Freeman when you need him?!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is Gordon Freeman when you need him ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is Gordon Freeman when you need him?!
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018170</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31022406</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>cdpage</author>
	<datestamp>1265299560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A Grey Hole just doesn't sound so threatening does it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Grey Hole just does n't sound so threatening does it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Grey Hole just doesn't sound so threatening does it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020488</id>
	<title>Re:Damn...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265284140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it does consume energy when circling around. A particle accelerating causes it to emit some energy, proportionnal to the square of the acceleration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it does consume energy when circling around .
A particle accelerating causes it to emit some energy , proportionnal to the square of the acceleration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it does consume energy when circling around.
A particle accelerating causes it to emit some energy, proportionnal to the square of the acceleration.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018784</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018192</id>
	<title>They'll crank it up 12/21/2012</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264951860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Full power baby!  Just to make sure the tinfoil hats get sucked off if the world doesnt shift/end/gain-higher-consciousness</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Full power baby !
Just to make sure the tinfoil hats get sucked off if the world doesnt shift/end/gain-higher-consciousness</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Full power baby!
Just to make sure the tinfoil hats get sucked off if the world doesnt shift/end/gain-higher-consciousness</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018250</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Nope, we need to be fully afraid that it will destroy half the world. Hopefully the <b>other</b> half.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they 're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth ?
Nope , we need to be fully afraid that it will destroy half the world .
Hopefully the other half .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?
Nope, we need to be fully afraid that it will destroy half the world.
Hopefully the other half.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018304</id>
	<title>Luminosity more important than energy</title>
	<author>Entropius</author>
	<datestamp>1264952700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Big Deal about the LHC isn't just the energy. It's also that it allows for a much higher collision rate than the Tevatron. Even if you only run the thing at Tevatron energies, it's possible that it can collect as much data in a week as the Tevatron could in years.</p><p>When the LHC guys down the hall show up tomorrow I'll have to ask them about the planned luminosity in the first year of running.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Big Deal about the LHC is n't just the energy .
It 's also that it allows for a much higher collision rate than the Tevatron .
Even if you only run the thing at Tevatron energies , it 's possible that it can collect as much data in a week as the Tevatron could in years.When the LHC guys down the hall show up tomorrow I 'll have to ask them about the planned luminosity in the first year of running .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Big Deal about the LHC isn't just the energy.
It's also that it allows for a much higher collision rate than the Tevatron.
Even if you only run the thing at Tevatron energies, it's possible that it can collect as much data in a week as the Tevatron could in years.When the LHC guys down the hall show up tomorrow I'll have to ask them about the planned luminosity in the first year of running.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023372</id>
	<title>Re:What I don't understand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265304060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The dipole magnets in a synchrotron are divided up into sectors of many magnets.  This reduces the number of room temperature connections that you have to make which greatly reduces refrigeration costs.  Each sector can contain many magnets (100+) and they are all connected series.  A bad joint in one of these connections is what generated the initial heat input that caused all the problems.  These are typically made with low temperature solder are quite easy to do when you consider they are using NbTi, which is the easiest superconductor to work with.  I would guess that because the joints are so easy to do they did not feel the need to continuously monitor them.  At the currents that are found 10kA in these systems, if there is a problem things happen very fast and unless you have a way of directly detecting a problem you wont catch it in time.<br>When a magnet quenches, you have to shut down the entire line as a whole since they are connected in series.  There is too much energy that must be dumped in a short amount of time to extract much with a large external resister.  Typically, heaters are embedded in the magnets which are connected to a large cap bank.  The goal is to turn all of the superconductor normal at the same time to minimize hot spots.  The magnets have enough mass to eat there own energy.  This process does flash the liquid helium and unless you are careful you can accidentally turn the cryostats that house the magnets into makeshift potato guns.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The dipole magnets in a synchrotron are divided up into sectors of many magnets .
This reduces the number of room temperature connections that you have to make which greatly reduces refrigeration costs .
Each sector can contain many magnets ( 100 + ) and they are all connected series .
A bad joint in one of these connections is what generated the initial heat input that caused all the problems .
These are typically made with low temperature solder are quite easy to do when you consider they are using NbTi , which is the easiest superconductor to work with .
I would guess that because the joints are so easy to do they did not feel the need to continuously monitor them .
At the currents that are found 10kA in these systems , if there is a problem things happen very fast and unless you have a way of directly detecting a problem you wont catch it in time.When a magnet quenches , you have to shut down the entire line as a whole since they are connected in series .
There is too much energy that must be dumped in a short amount of time to extract much with a large external resister .
Typically , heaters are embedded in the magnets which are connected to a large cap bank .
The goal is to turn all of the superconductor normal at the same time to minimize hot spots .
The magnets have enough mass to eat there own energy .
This process does flash the liquid helium and unless you are careful you can accidentally turn the cryostats that house the magnets into makeshift potato guns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The dipole magnets in a synchrotron are divided up into sectors of many magnets.
This reduces the number of room temperature connections that you have to make which greatly reduces refrigeration costs.
Each sector can contain many magnets (100+) and they are all connected series.
A bad joint in one of these connections is what generated the initial heat input that caused all the problems.
These are typically made with low temperature solder are quite easy to do when you consider they are using NbTi, which is the easiest superconductor to work with.
I would guess that because the joints are so easy to do they did not feel the need to continuously monitor them.
At the currents that are found 10kA in these systems, if there is a problem things happen very fast and unless you have a way of directly detecting a problem you wont catch it in time.When a magnet quenches, you have to shut down the entire line as a whole since they are connected in series.
There is too much energy that must be dumped in a short amount of time to extract much with a large external resister.
Typically, heaters are embedded in the magnets which are connected to a large cap bank.
The goal is to turn all of the superconductor normal at the same time to minimize hot spots.
The magnets have enough mass to eat there own energy.
This process does flash the liquid helium and unless you are careful you can accidentally turn the cryostats that house the magnets into makeshift potato guns.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020702</id>
	<title>Pity that sort of money isn't available ....</title>
	<author>Viol8</author>
	<datestamp>1265287140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... for sciences that are of more immediate benefit. I have nothing against blue sky research in particle physics but in general its a fairly esoteric area of research that produces little of value that trickles back to mankind as a whole. I'm really not convinced this level of funding should be spent on it when other areas of science and technology struggle to get ANY sort of funding. I believe that research budgets should be based on the potential value of any results that may crop up and nice it may well be to find the Higgs Boson from an academic point of view, how exactly will it benefit mankind compared to curing cancer , AIDS, designing new fuel efficient engines for example?</p><p>If the people running these experiments want this sort of budget then raise it privately (good luck!) , but don't expect taxpayers to fork out for it to this level. A tens of million dollars/euros fine , but 5.5 BILLION? Pu-lease...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... for sciences that are of more immediate benefit .
I have nothing against blue sky research in particle physics but in general its a fairly esoteric area of research that produces little of value that trickles back to mankind as a whole .
I 'm really not convinced this level of funding should be spent on it when other areas of science and technology struggle to get ANY sort of funding .
I believe that research budgets should be based on the potential value of any results that may crop up and nice it may well be to find the Higgs Boson from an academic point of view , how exactly will it benefit mankind compared to curing cancer , AIDS , designing new fuel efficient engines for example ? If the people running these experiments want this sort of budget then raise it privately ( good luck !
) , but do n't expect taxpayers to fork out for it to this level .
A tens of million dollars/euros fine , but 5.5 BILLION ?
Pu-lease.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... for sciences that are of more immediate benefit.
I have nothing against blue sky research in particle physics but in general its a fairly esoteric area of research that produces little of value that trickles back to mankind as a whole.
I'm really not convinced this level of funding should be spent on it when other areas of science and technology struggle to get ANY sort of funding.
I believe that research budgets should be based on the potential value of any results that may crop up and nice it may well be to find the Higgs Boson from an academic point of view, how exactly will it benefit mankind compared to curing cancer , AIDS, designing new fuel efficient engines for example?If the people running these experiments want this sort of budget then raise it privately (good luck!
) , but don't expect taxpayers to fork out for it to this level.
A tens of million dollars/euros fine , but 5.5 BILLION?
Pu-lease...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018512</id>
	<title>LHC vs Fermilab</title>
	<author>Wolfraider</author>
	<datestamp>1264954740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does Black Mesa vs Aperture Science come to mind?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does Black Mesa vs Aperture Science come to mind ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does Black Mesa vs Aperture Science come to mind?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018576</id>
	<title>Re:Full speed in 2013??</title>
	<author>rockNme2349</author>
	<datestamp>1264955520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, their plans will go ahead of schedule, and they will be ramping it up to full power in December of 2012.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , their plans will go ahead of schedule , and they will be ramping it up to full power in December of 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, their plans will go ahead of schedule, and they will be ramping it up to full power in December of 2012.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018306</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31022496</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>playcat</author>
	<datestamp>1265299920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Nope, we need to be fully afraid that it will destroy half the world. Hopefully the <b>other</b> half.
</p></div><p>It would be nice to live in a world that's only half-sphere</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they 're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth ?
Nope , we need to be fully afraid that it will destroy half the world .
Hopefully the other half .
It would be nice to live in a world that 's only half-sphere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this news mean we now only have to be half afraid that they're going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth?
Nope, we need to be fully afraid that it will destroy half the world.
Hopefully the other half.
It would be nice to live in a world that's only half-sphere
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018250</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31022180</id>
	<title>Re:Pity that sort of money isn't available ....</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1265298300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BTW, engines aren't going to get much more fuel efficient. The area to improve now is to reduce vehicle weight and size, which is an uphill battle against safety requirements (SUVs really upped the ante in the safety arms race in the late 90s/early 2000s), cost (the cheapest ways to improve safety are to add steel and increase size...oh wait), and image-related issues such as "big is safe, think of the children!" and "I want a big car because I'm insecure about my penis size."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BTW , engines are n't going to get much more fuel efficient .
The area to improve now is to reduce vehicle weight and size , which is an uphill battle against safety requirements ( SUVs really upped the ante in the safety arms race in the late 90s/early 2000s ) , cost ( the cheapest ways to improve safety are to add steel and increase size...oh wait ) , and image-related issues such as " big is safe , think of the children !
" and " I want a big car because I 'm insecure about my penis size .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BTW, engines aren't going to get much more fuel efficient.
The area to improve now is to reduce vehicle weight and size, which is an uphill battle against safety requirements (SUVs really upped the ante in the safety arms race in the late 90s/early 2000s), cost (the cheapest ways to improve safety are to add steel and increase size...oh wait), and image-related issues such as "big is safe, think of the children!
" and "I want a big car because I'm insecure about my penis size.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023104</id>
	<title>Re:What I don't understand</title>
	<author>joe\_frisch</author>
	<datestamp>1265302920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes - that is a very serious problem. Superconducting magnet systems are designed to shunt the quench energy through some sort of dissipating resistor, but it is a very tricky business. Basically you switch a resistor in series with the SC coil. Sound easy until you think about 10,000 Amps and megajoules of stored energy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes - that is a very serious problem .
Superconducting magnet systems are designed to shunt the quench energy through some sort of dissipating resistor , but it is a very tricky business .
Basically you switch a resistor in series with the SC coil .
Sound easy until you think about 10,000 Amps and megajoules of stored energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes - that is a very serious problem.
Superconducting magnet systems are designed to shunt the quench energy through some sort of dissipating resistor, but it is a very tricky business.
Basically you switch a resistor in series with the SC coil.
Sound easy until you think about 10,000 Amps and megajoules of stored energy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018404</id>
	<title>Re:Full speed in 2013??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>will you dumb cunts please just shut the fuck up? that shit played out fast. move on with your life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>will you dumb cunts please just shut the fuck up ?
that shit played out fast .
move on with your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will you dumb cunts please just shut the fuck up?
that shit played out fast.
move on with your life.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31023430</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265304300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean more, or less than <em>shutting down the whole project, redesigning the interconnects, and taking a whole year to replace them</em>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean more , or less than shutting down the whole project , redesigning the interconnects , and taking a whole year to replace them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean more, or less than shutting down the whole project, redesigning the interconnects, and taking a whole year to replace them?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018830</id>
	<title>Re:Baguette</title>
	<author>bdwlangm</author>
	<datestamp>1264958460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>IIRC, the bird dropped its bread on something a little more <a href="http://user.web.cern.ch/user/news/2009/091106b.html" title="web.cern.ch" rel="nofollow">innocuous</a> [web.cern.ch] sounding than a reactor.
<i>The bird escaped unharmed but
lost its bread.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC , the bird dropped its bread on something a little more innocuous [ web.cern.ch ] sounding than a reactor .
The bird escaped unharmed but lost its bread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC, the bird dropped its bread on something a little more innocuous [web.cern.ch] sounding than a reactor.
The bird escaped unharmed but
lost its bread.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018384</id>
	<title>LHC =</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264953420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lethargic Hoop Continental</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lethargic Hoop Continental</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lethargic Hoop Continental</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018580</id>
	<title>Guilty of low aspirations</title>
	<author>S-100</author>
	<datestamp>1264955640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hard to get all worked up about this when the people running the program don't seem to be concerned about accomplishing anything significant.  Sort of like spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft, and after all the money is spent, flying it subsonic for a year or so, and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it.  If the LHC was designed properly, run the friggin' thing.  If not, fix the friggin' thing.  Are they more concerned with lengthening their careers or in new science?  Some people paid them a lot of money, and it wasn't for their job security and pensions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard to get all worked up about this when the people running the program do n't seem to be concerned about accomplishing anything significant .
Sort of like spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft , and after all the money is spent , flying it subsonic for a year or so , and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it .
If the LHC was designed properly , run the friggin ' thing .
If not , fix the friggin ' thing .
Are they more concerned with lengthening their careers or in new science ?
Some people paid them a lot of money , and it was n't for their job security and pensions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to get all worked up about this when the people running the program don't seem to be concerned about accomplishing anything significant.
Sort of like spending untold billions on a supersonic aircraft, and after all the money is spent, flying it subsonic for a year or so, and then grounding it for another year to re-wire it.
If the LHC was designed properly, run the friggin' thing.
If not, fix the friggin' thing.
Are they more concerned with lengthening their careers or in new science?
Some people paid them a lot of money, and it wasn't for their job security and pensions.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018302</id>
	<title>Damn...</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1264952700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>7 TeV?</p><p>I'll tell that to my mom, who complains about the electricity bill for my computers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>7 TeV ? I 'll tell that to my mom , who complains about the electricity bill for my computers : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 TeV?I'll tell that to my mom, who complains about the electricity bill for my computers :D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31021642</id>
	<title>Re:Full speed in 2013??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265295600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those hardware guys have got a lot to learn about project management.<br>Need to replace 10,000 units? Just recruit 10,000 unemployed slashdotters and get 'er done before lunch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those hardware guys have got a lot to learn about project management.Need to replace 10,000 units ?
Just recruit 10,000 unemployed slashdotters and get 'er done before lunch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those hardware guys have got a lot to learn about project management.Need to replace 10,000 units?
Just recruit 10,000 unemployed slashdotters and get 'er done before lunch.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020710</id>
	<title>Re:Half-measures</title>
	<author>silentcoder</author>
	<datestamp>1265287320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope, be fully afraid they'll create half a black-hole. But since 50\% of black-hole mass won't actually be a black-hole, we'll probably survive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope , be fully afraid they 'll create half a black-hole .
But since 50 \ % of black-hole mass wo n't actually be a black-hole , we 'll probably survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope, be fully afraid they'll create half a black-hole.
But since 50\% of black-hole mass won't actually be a black-hole, we'll probably survive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018170</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31021264</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>sourcerror</author>
	<datestamp>1265293260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> If that approach had been taken with all of the critical components for the machine, the overall cost would have been significantly higher. Unfortunately for a large cutting edge project on a tight budget, you need to take some technical risks.</p></div><p>Like creating a black hole?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If that approach had been taken with all of the critical components for the machine , the overall cost would have been significantly higher .
Unfortunately for a large cutting edge project on a tight budget , you need to take some technical risks.Like creating a black hole ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If that approach had been taken with all of the critical components for the machine, the overall cost would have been significantly higher.
Unfortunately for a large cutting edge project on a tight budget, you need to take some technical risks.Like creating a black hole?
;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31018632</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1264956300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Frankly, I'm a little sick of the "outrage" every time something doesn't go as planned.  Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time?
<br> <br>
Science, by its very nature, deals with the unknown.  We're at the point now where it looks like we're going to have to assemble thousands of experts, using billions of dollars to continue to make fundamental discoveries.  If any of us had a road map, I assure you that we'd use it.  This means that sometimes, we spend all that time and energy and hit a dead end.
<br> <br>
But here's the cool part: dead ends are sometimes better than confirming what we already knew.  There was an interview with a theoretical physicist on the radio the other day, and the interviewer asked him what his worst fear and greatest hope for the LHC was.  He said, "They're the same thing.  We find out that we were completely wrong about something."  This is simultaneously frightening and exhilarating, and it's what makes fundamental research so exciting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly , I 'm a little sick of the " outrage " every time something does n't go as planned .
Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time ?
Science , by its very nature , deals with the unknown .
We 're at the point now where it looks like we 're going to have to assemble thousands of experts , using billions of dollars to continue to make fundamental discoveries .
If any of us had a road map , I assure you that we 'd use it .
This means that sometimes , we spend all that time and energy and hit a dead end .
But here 's the cool part : dead ends are sometimes better than confirming what we already knew .
There was an interview with a theoretical physicist on the radio the other day , and the interviewer asked him what his worst fear and greatest hope for the LHC was .
He said , " They 're the same thing .
We find out that we were completely wrong about something .
" This is simultaneously frightening and exhilarating , and it 's what makes fundamental research so exciting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly, I'm a little sick of the "outrage" every time something doesn't go as planned.
Since when does the universe have to play nice all the time?
Science, by its very nature, deals with the unknown.
We're at the point now where it looks like we're going to have to assemble thousands of experts, using billions of dollars to continue to make fundamental discoveries.
If any of us had a road map, I assure you that we'd use it.
This means that sometimes, we spend all that time and energy and hit a dead end.
But here's the cool part: dead ends are sometimes better than confirming what we already knew.
There was an interview with a theoretical physicist on the radio the other day, and the interviewer asked him what his worst fear and greatest hope for the LHC was.
He said, "They're the same thing.
We find out that we were completely wrong about something.
"  This is simultaneously frightening and exhilarating, and it's what makes fundamental research so exciting.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_2319222.31020368</id>
	<title>Re:Where is the Outrage...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265282580000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first time you do anything, you're going to make mistakes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first time you do anything , you 're going to make mistakes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first time you do anything, you're going to make mistakes.</sentencetext>
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