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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_03_158239</id>
	<title>Univ. Help Desk Staffer Extorts Over Copyright Violations</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1265210100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>McGruber writes <i>"The Atlanta fishwrap is reporting that an University of Georgia 'IT security support' employee was accusing students of copyright violations, then <a href="http://www.ajc.com/news/uga-employee-accused-of-289635.html">demanding money to clear their names</a>.  Sounds like he's been caught <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/02/1810214/UMG-v-Lindor-Ends-No-Fees-No-Sanctions">stealing the RIAA business model</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>McGruber writes " The Atlanta fishwrap is reporting that an University of Georgia 'IT security support ' employee was accusing students of copyright violations , then demanding money to clear their names .
Sounds like he 's been caught stealing the RIAA business model .
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<sentencetext>McGruber writes "The Atlanta fishwrap is reporting that an University of Georgia 'IT security support' employee was accusing students of copyright violations, then demanding money to clear their names.
Sounds like he's been caught stealing the RIAA business model.
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	<title>Obligatory IANAL, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264959600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...seems to me that this could end up being a good thing.  IT staffer extorts students, making sure to conspicuously duplicate the RIAA's methods, and in court, he offers the RIAA defense.  The jury rightfully swats this down and convicts him of extortion.   Now, future victims of RIAA extortion lawsuits have a precedent to point to.  Maybe he planned this whole thing to make noise and draw attention to the despicable RIAA methods, but then maybe I'm interpreting altruistic motives where none exist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...seems to me that this could end up being a good thing .
IT staffer extorts students , making sure to conspicuously duplicate the RIAA 's methods , and in court , he offers the RIAA defense .
The jury rightfully swats this down and convicts him of extortion .
Now , future victims of RIAA extortion lawsuits have a precedent to point to .
Maybe he planned this whole thing to make noise and draw attention to the despicable RIAA methods , but then maybe I 'm interpreting altruistic motives where none exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...seems to me that this could end up being a good thing.
IT staffer extorts students, making sure to conspicuously duplicate the RIAA's methods, and in court, he offers the RIAA defense.
The jury rightfully swats this down and convicts him of extortion.
Now, future victims of RIAA extortion lawsuits have a precedent to point to.
Maybe he planned this whole thing to make noise and draw attention to the despicable RIAA methods, but then maybe I'm interpreting altruistic motives where none exist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010892</id>
	<title>Copyright Paranoia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264958040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In a related issue, I recently had an eBay listing pulled, stating that a copyright holder had ordered it to be taken down for violating their copyright.  It was in fact an original, unopened DVD package (not salable through Half.com).  Not an unlawful copy, and explicitly allowed by the first-sale doctrine, which is part of US copyright law.  I contacted eBay and they gave me an e-mail address to contact the "Verified Rights Owner (VeRO)", who has an agreement with eBay that requires them not to abuse their power to take down listings.
<br> <br>
In this case, the VeRO is well-known for taking down legitimate listings in order to ensure that nobody buys their product second-hand.  The VeRO, of course, has zero incentive to do any investigation into whether they were incorrect, since (a) they already got their cookies by eliminating a market competitor and (b) eBay will not do anything about it if they were wrong.  In my case, the VeRO contact person actually bragged to me about taking down "hundreds of listings every day."
<br> <br>
I've heard of similar stories involving other VeROs.  The best part is that you can't relist the item safely, since it'll get taken down again and eBay will be happy to revoke your account if you have a couple of strikes for "copyright violation."  It's a really crummy deal, but it's part of the copyright idiocy that we live with today.  If you run a used bookstore or music store, I hope you have a good insurance policy and a lawyer on retainer.  Someone is going to come in with the torches any day to make sure that people only buy new copies of their content.  If we could do this to make other consumer goods more rapidly consumed, we'd be a step closer to a Brave New World.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In a related issue , I recently had an eBay listing pulled , stating that a copyright holder had ordered it to be taken down for violating their copyright .
It was in fact an original , unopened DVD package ( not salable through Half.com ) .
Not an unlawful copy , and explicitly allowed by the first-sale doctrine , which is part of US copyright law .
I contacted eBay and they gave me an e-mail address to contact the " Verified Rights Owner ( VeRO ) " , who has an agreement with eBay that requires them not to abuse their power to take down listings .
In this case , the VeRO is well-known for taking down legitimate listings in order to ensure that nobody buys their product second-hand .
The VeRO , of course , has zero incentive to do any investigation into whether they were incorrect , since ( a ) they already got their cookies by eliminating a market competitor and ( b ) eBay will not do anything about it if they were wrong .
In my case , the VeRO contact person actually bragged to me about taking down " hundreds of listings every day .
" I 've heard of similar stories involving other VeROs .
The best part is that you ca n't relist the item safely , since it 'll get taken down again and eBay will be happy to revoke your account if you have a couple of strikes for " copyright violation .
" It 's a really crummy deal , but it 's part of the copyright idiocy that we live with today .
If you run a used bookstore or music store , I hope you have a good insurance policy and a lawyer on retainer .
Someone is going to come in with the torches any day to make sure that people only buy new copies of their content .
If we could do this to make other consumer goods more rapidly consumed , we 'd be a step closer to a Brave New World .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a related issue, I recently had an eBay listing pulled, stating that a copyright holder had ordered it to be taken down for violating their copyright.
It was in fact an original, unopened DVD package (not salable through Half.com).
Not an unlawful copy, and explicitly allowed by the first-sale doctrine, which is part of US copyright law.
I contacted eBay and they gave me an e-mail address to contact the "Verified Rights Owner (VeRO)", who has an agreement with eBay that requires them not to abuse their power to take down listings.
In this case, the VeRO is well-known for taking down legitimate listings in order to ensure that nobody buys their product second-hand.
The VeRO, of course, has zero incentive to do any investigation into whether they were incorrect, since (a) they already got their cookies by eliminating a market competitor and (b) eBay will not do anything about it if they were wrong.
In my case, the VeRO contact person actually bragged to me about taking down "hundreds of listings every day.
"
 
I've heard of similar stories involving other VeROs.
The best part is that you can't relist the item safely, since it'll get taken down again and eBay will be happy to revoke your account if you have a couple of strikes for "copyright violation.
"  It's a really crummy deal, but it's part of the copyright idiocy that we live with today.
If you run a used bookstore or music store, I hope you have a good insurance policy and a lawyer on retainer.
Someone is going to come in with the torches any day to make sure that people only buy new copies of their content.
If we could do this to make other consumer goods more rapidly consumed, we'd be a step closer to a Brave New World.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011258</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright Paranoia</title>
	<author>bluefoxlucid</author>
	<datestamp>1264959360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like something to let the media blow out of proportion.  Ars Technia might give half a shit if you have enough documentation, CNN won't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like something to let the media blow out of proportion .
Ars Technia might give half a shit if you have enough documentation , CNN wo n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like something to let the media blow out of proportion.
Ars Technia might give half a shit if you have enough documentation, CNN won't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31012906</id>
	<title>Re:There's a word for this...</title>
	<author>jimthehorsegod</author>
	<datestamp>1264966020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That said, this is the sort of situation that inevitably arises when violating the law. If you steal cars, and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you, who are you going to call?</p></div><p>Well, I would have thought that was <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087332/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">obvious</a> [imdb.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That said , this is the sort of situation that inevitably arises when violating the law .
If you steal cars , and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you , who are you going to call ? Well , I would have thought that was obvious [ imdb.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That said, this is the sort of situation that inevitably arises when violating the law.
If you steal cars, and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you, who are you going to call?Well, I would have thought that was obvious [imdb.com]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010084</id>
	<title>I want that job</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264954740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He reportedly was in charge of monitoring illegal music downloads on university computers. Dehelean's position paid nearly $50,000, according to state records</p></div><p>I want that job and I'd actually do it ethically and legally. </p><p>$50K/yr to look at the output of some scripts? Where do I sign up!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He reportedly was in charge of monitoring illegal music downloads on university computers .
Dehelean 's position paid nearly $ 50,000 , according to state recordsI want that job and I 'd actually do it ethically and legally .
$ 50K/yr to look at the output of some scripts ?
Where do I sign up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He reportedly was in charge of monitoring illegal music downloads on university computers.
Dehelean's position paid nearly $50,000, according to state recordsI want that job and I'd actually do it ethically and legally.
$50K/yr to look at the output of some scripts?
Where do I sign up!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010514</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't about RIAA/copyright, is social engineeri</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly. This has nothing to do with the RIAA or their methods. This is simply a scan artist conducting an illegal scam by making false copyright claim. As opposed to the RIAA who represents people who have actual copyright material that is actually being stolen. If anyone here had property of theirs stolen, they would immediately call the police. The artists and record labels don't have the ability to call the police and legal action is their only protection. And now everyone can unleash their negative karma points because someone dare not support stealing other people's property so long as it's music or movies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
This has nothing to do with the RIAA or their methods .
This is simply a scan artist conducting an illegal scam by making false copyright claim .
As opposed to the RIAA who represents people who have actual copyright material that is actually being stolen .
If anyone here had property of theirs stolen , they would immediately call the police .
The artists and record labels do n't have the ability to call the police and legal action is their only protection .
And now everyone can unleash their negative karma points because someone dare not support stealing other people 's property so long as it 's music or movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
This has nothing to do with the RIAA or their methods.
This is simply a scan artist conducting an illegal scam by making false copyright claim.
As opposed to the RIAA who represents people who have actual copyright material that is actually being stolen.
If anyone here had property of theirs stolen, they would immediately call the police.
The artists and record labels don't have the ability to call the police and legal action is their only protection.
And now everyone can unleash their negative karma points because someone dare not support stealing other people's property so long as it's music or movies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31013308</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264967760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the short version of the story.</p><p>The MPAA tried to hit every IT program in the nation with a "if you didn't pay for it, you stole it" presentation. Word of this spread through<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., so everyone saw it coming. Nearly everybody in the class walked out when the MPAA's presenter entered the room... she wanted to cancel the presentation when they saw just me left, but I told the professor I'd demand a refund for the skipped class if he didn't present something, so the MPAA lady went through the script.</p><p>Then, it was time for questions. And I attacked the DVDCCA (DVD Copy Control Authority) by asking where they came from, who owned them, and who pays to keeps the lights on in their office. She nicely backed up in her presentation to show that they were paid for by the makers of DVD players, and they had to pay dues to this organization or you won't be able to play new DVD releases.</p><p>Mentioned this on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and then it just happens that my school's law program was also interested in this. Here was the theory... the DVDCCA had become an illegal cartel. DVD makers were being blackmailed to maintain compatibility, but they weren't the people gaining any benefit. There they go...</p><p>And their first defense was to attack me. They tried to discredit me on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. but what they ended up doing was exposing their arguments to the world, and were being shot down by law students who knew more than me.</p><p>So their next tactic was to offer me money to go away. I had a number in my head, but it was off by more than an order of magnitude from what they offered, so no deal.</p><p>At this point,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. turned over my IP address and the university was tricked into giving away my phone number. They sent the team doing the MPAA movie downloader shakedowns to me. I was smart enough to not tell them how much I had for a long while, and then I called University Legal Services.</p><p>I was connected with law professors at the university's law school and only had to tell them what I had done privately because they had already read and interacted with me on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and knew the public writings of themselves, other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. users, and me.</p><p>They gave me the key... tell the "collectors" after three calls that they were harassing me, then hide behind the University Legal Service's representation. They were flustered... I was basically inviting the lawsuit, and everybody involved was sure I'd win. Their handbook didn't cover that situation.</p><p>So... now they've got a problem. We were dropping the c-word ("cartel") all over<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. and they had no defense because they were guilty as charged on that. For a few days, it was thought that the DVDCCA would go bankrupt leading Hollywood to have to chose between unencrypted movies, or no further releases until a legal scheme could be thought up.</p><p>Just in time... they solved their part of the puzzle. If the MPAA member studies wanted copy protection, they'd have to pay for it themselves. The DVDCCA started collecting a fee on each disc that used their technology, and argued that publishers would pass that extra dollar and change on to customers, and the $19.99 price would be replaced by $22.99 thanks to me. Um, that never happened!</p><p>So, in the end I discovered something that the MPAA didn't like, and their first reaction was to accuse me of downloading I never did. When their proof on that came up empty, they then addressed the original problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the short version of the story.The MPAA tried to hit every IT program in the nation with a " if you did n't pay for it , you stole it " presentation .
Word of this spread through /. , so everyone saw it coming .
Nearly everybody in the class walked out when the MPAA 's presenter entered the room... she wanted to cancel the presentation when they saw just me left , but I told the professor I 'd demand a refund for the skipped class if he did n't present something , so the MPAA lady went through the script.Then , it was time for questions .
And I attacked the DVDCCA ( DVD Copy Control Authority ) by asking where they came from , who owned them , and who pays to keeps the lights on in their office .
She nicely backed up in her presentation to show that they were paid for by the makers of DVD players , and they had to pay dues to this organization or you wo n't be able to play new DVD releases.Mentioned this on / .
and then it just happens that my school 's law program was also interested in this .
Here was the theory... the DVDCCA had become an illegal cartel .
DVD makers were being blackmailed to maintain compatibility , but they were n't the people gaining any benefit .
There they go...And their first defense was to attack me .
They tried to discredit me on / .
but what they ended up doing was exposing their arguments to the world , and were being shot down by law students who knew more than me.So their next tactic was to offer me money to go away .
I had a number in my head , but it was off by more than an order of magnitude from what they offered , so no deal.At this point , / .
turned over my IP address and the university was tricked into giving away my phone number .
They sent the team doing the MPAA movie downloader shakedowns to me .
I was smart enough to not tell them how much I had for a long while , and then I called University Legal Services.I was connected with law professors at the university 's law school and only had to tell them what I had done privately because they had already read and interacted with me on / .
and knew the public writings of themselves , other / .
users , and me.They gave me the key... tell the " collectors " after three calls that they were harassing me , then hide behind the University Legal Service 's representation .
They were flustered... I was basically inviting the lawsuit , and everybody involved was sure I 'd win .
Their handbook did n't cover that situation.So... now they 've got a problem .
We were dropping the c-word ( " cartel " ) all over / .
and they had no defense because they were guilty as charged on that .
For a few days , it was thought that the DVDCCA would go bankrupt leading Hollywood to have to chose between unencrypted movies , or no further releases until a legal scheme could be thought up.Just in time... they solved their part of the puzzle .
If the MPAA member studies wanted copy protection , they 'd have to pay for it themselves .
The DVDCCA started collecting a fee on each disc that used their technology , and argued that publishers would pass that extra dollar and change on to customers , and the $ 19.99 price would be replaced by $ 22.99 thanks to me .
Um , that never happened ! So , in the end I discovered something that the MPAA did n't like , and their first reaction was to accuse me of downloading I never did .
When their proof on that came up empty , they then addressed the original problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the short version of the story.The MPAA tried to hit every IT program in the nation with a "if you didn't pay for it, you stole it" presentation.
Word of this spread through /., so everyone saw it coming.
Nearly everybody in the class walked out when the MPAA's presenter entered the room... she wanted to cancel the presentation when they saw just me left, but I told the professor I'd demand a refund for the skipped class if he didn't present something, so the MPAA lady went through the script.Then, it was time for questions.
And I attacked the DVDCCA (DVD Copy Control Authority) by asking where they came from, who owned them, and who pays to keeps the lights on in their office.
She nicely backed up in her presentation to show that they were paid for by the makers of DVD players, and they had to pay dues to this organization or you won't be able to play new DVD releases.Mentioned this on /.
and then it just happens that my school's law program was also interested in this.
Here was the theory... the DVDCCA had become an illegal cartel.
DVD makers were being blackmailed to maintain compatibility, but they weren't the people gaining any benefit.
There they go...And their first defense was to attack me.
They tried to discredit me on /.
but what they ended up doing was exposing their arguments to the world, and were being shot down by law students who knew more than me.So their next tactic was to offer me money to go away.
I had a number in my head, but it was off by more than an order of magnitude from what they offered, so no deal.At this point, /.
turned over my IP address and the university was tricked into giving away my phone number.
They sent the team doing the MPAA movie downloader shakedowns to me.
I was smart enough to not tell them how much I had for a long while, and then I called University Legal Services.I was connected with law professors at the university's law school and only had to tell them what I had done privately because they had already read and interacted with me on /.
and knew the public writings of themselves, other /.
users, and me.They gave me the key... tell the "collectors" after three calls that they were harassing me, then hide behind the University Legal Service's representation.
They were flustered... I was basically inviting the lawsuit, and everybody involved was sure I'd win.
Their handbook didn't cover that situation.So... now they've got a problem.
We were dropping the c-word ("cartel") all over /.
and they had no defense because they were guilty as charged on that.
For a few days, it was thought that the DVDCCA would go bankrupt leading Hollywood to have to chose between unencrypted movies, or no further releases until a legal scheme could be thought up.Just in time... they solved their part of the puzzle.
If the MPAA member studies wanted copy protection, they'd have to pay for it themselves.
The DVDCCA started collecting a fee on each disc that used their technology, and argued that publishers would pass that extra dollar and change on to customers, and the $19.99 price would be replaced by $22.99 thanks to me.
Um, that never happened!So, in the end I discovered something that the MPAA didn't like, and their first reaction was to accuse me of downloading I never did.
When their proof on that came up empty, they then addressed the original problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31014348</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't about RIAA/copyright, is social engineeri</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264929960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Harry Harrison's lawyers are going to be contacting you shortly for posting the methods used by Slippery Jim DiGriz.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Harry Harrison 's lawyers are going to be contacting you shortly for posting the methods used by Slippery Jim DiGriz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Harry Harrison's lawyers are going to be contacting you shortly for posting the methods used by Slippery Jim DiGriz.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010322</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't about RIAA/copyright, is social engineeri</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This person speaks the truth. It works up to a trans-national scale, too:</p><p>1) "Terrorism"<br>2) "You're either with us, or against us."<br>3) Hosting a "War on Terror" all while supporting nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Yes, both the step and its alternate are practiced at the same time!<br>4) Run away like the US in Afghanistan. Also, limit independent media access to Afghani and Iraqi battlefields.<br>5) Profit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This person speaks the truth .
It works up to a trans-national scale , too : 1 ) " Terrorism " 2 ) " You 're either with us , or against us .
" 3 ) Hosting a " War on Terror " all while supporting nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan .
Yes , both the step and its alternate are practiced at the same time ! 4 ) Run away like the US in Afghanistan .
Also , limit independent media access to Afghani and Iraqi battlefields.5 ) Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This person speaks the truth.
It works up to a trans-national scale, too:1) "Terrorism"2) "You're either with us, or against us.
"3) Hosting a "War on Terror" all while supporting nations like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Yes, both the step and its alternate are practiced at the same time!4) Run away like the US in Afghanistan.
Also, limit independent media access to Afghani and Iraqi battlefields.5) Profit</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010354</id>
	<title>The rotten apple in the bag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can anyone name a carreer field where corruption hasn't existed?

Seems like there's always at least one guy(or girl) figuring out if it's profitable or not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone name a carreer field where corruption has n't existed ?
Seems like there 's always at least one guy ( or girl ) figuring out if it 's profitable or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone name a carreer field where corruption hasn't existed?
Seems like there's always at least one guy(or girl) figuring out if it's profitable or not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010194</id>
	<title>Isn't about RIAA/copyright, is social engineering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is actually a pretty common scam.</p><p>1. Find something that the target group is aware of that "threatens" them<br>2. Build up a cover that you are in a position to make that happen to them sooner<br>3. Claim you can make it go away for $$$. Enough so you make some money, but low enough that the target can scrounge it up.<br>3. ALTERNATE Pretend to be on the targets side. Say you can call a guy and do them a favor and be all sly and help a brother out for a few bucks compared to massive fines or legal action.<br>4. Cover your tracks and don't get too greedy and be ready to drop and run. This is where the guy in the article failed.<br>5. Profit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually a pretty common scam.1 .
Find something that the target group is aware of that " threatens " them2 .
Build up a cover that you are in a position to make that happen to them sooner3 .
Claim you can make it go away for $ $ $ .
Enough so you make some money , but low enough that the target can scrounge it up.3 .
ALTERNATE Pretend to be on the targets side .
Say you can call a guy and do them a favor and be all sly and help a brother out for a few bucks compared to massive fines or legal action.4 .
Cover your tracks and do n't get too greedy and be ready to drop and run .
This is where the guy in the article failed.5 .
Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually a pretty common scam.1.
Find something that the target group is aware of that "threatens" them2.
Build up a cover that you are in a position to make that happen to them sooner3.
Claim you can make it go away for $$$.
Enough so you make some money, but low enough that the target can scrounge it up.3.
ALTERNATE Pretend to be on the targets side.
Say you can call a guy and do them a favor and be all sly and help a brother out for a few bucks compared to massive fines or legal action.4.
Cover your tracks and don't get too greedy and be ready to drop and run.
This is where the guy in the article failed.5.
Profit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010694</id>
	<title>Re:"a" not "an" :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264957260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...but shouldn't it "a university" not "a University".


If you going to be the "Gramar Nazi", please do it right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but should n't it " a university " not " a University " .
If you going to be the " Gramar Nazi " , please do it right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but shouldn't it "a university" not "a University".
If you going to be the "Gramar Nazi", please do it right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010252</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31016716</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>supercrisp</author>
	<datestamp>1264941240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are my dream student. Way to go!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are my dream student .
Way to go !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are my dream student.
Way to go!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31013308</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31012092</id>
	<title>Re:There's a word for this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264962420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you steal cars, and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you, who are you going to call?</p></div><p>Someone I can trust, who knows how to keep their mouth shut<br>and won't freak out in the event that someone is [un]expectedly killed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you steal cars , and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you , who are you going to call ? Someone I can trust , who knows how to keep their mouth shutand wo n't freak out in the event that someone is [ un ] expectedly killed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you steal cars, and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you, who are you going to call?Someone I can trust, who knows how to keep their mouth shutand won't freak out in the event that someone is [un]expectedly killed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010966</id>
	<title>Evidence???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264958220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So we have the accusation of one student to school security.  This student has no apparent proof and noone else is corroberating the story.  I would err towards taking the word of the business professional over the college student who admits breaking the law by downloading copyright works...  but I guess it's not as good a story if you question the premise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So we have the accusation of one student to school security .
This student has no apparent proof and noone else is corroberating the story .
I would err towards taking the word of the business professional over the college student who admits breaking the law by downloading copyright works... but I guess it 's not as good a story if you question the premise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we have the accusation of one student to school security.
This student has no apparent proof and noone else is corroberating the story.
I would err towards taking the word of the business professional over the college student who admits breaking the law by downloading copyright works...  but I guess it's not as good a story if you question the premise.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31013076</id>
	<title>Re:There's nothing wrong with protecting ones righ</title>
	<author>fibrewire</author>
	<datestamp>1264966860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the difference is that the college agreed to the terms offered to them by the Network Administration member labels, and received compensation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the difference is that the college agreed to the terms offered to them by the Network Administration member labels , and received compensation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the difference is that the college agreed to the terms offered to them by the Network Administration member labels, and received compensation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31012376</id>
	<title>Re:The rotten apple in the bag</title>
	<author>jbeaupre</author>
	<datestamp>1264963440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Omnipotent dictators and hermits.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Omnipotent dictators and hermits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Omnipotent dictators and hermits.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010354</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010596</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet it was trollish lies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet it was trollish lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet it was trollish lies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010234</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011980</id>
	<title>Re:There's nothing wrong with protecting ones righ</title>
	<author>JerryLove</author>
	<datestamp>1264962060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if the RIAA were practicing due dilligence to avoid accusing the innocent, and if the RIAA were making sure to only persue copyrights it actually owns, and if the RIAA were behaving legally and ethically in its investigation, and if the RIAA was attempting a good-faith protection of copyright (they seem to just see this as a revenue stream), and if the penalties were sane, then I would agree with you.</p><p>I support copyright, though I oppose that it's been extended to a century or more here in the US. I oppose piracy when there are good legitemate alternatives. That's a far cry from supporting an organization that takes exorbitant money from the innocent because it can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if the RIAA were practicing due dilligence to avoid accusing the innocent , and if the RIAA were making sure to only persue copyrights it actually owns , and if the RIAA were behaving legally and ethically in its investigation , and if the RIAA was attempting a good-faith protection of copyright ( they seem to just see this as a revenue stream ) , and if the penalties were sane , then I would agree with you.I support copyright , though I oppose that it 's been extended to a century or more here in the US .
I oppose piracy when there are good legitemate alternatives .
That 's a far cry from supporting an organization that takes exorbitant money from the innocent because it can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if the RIAA were practicing due dilligence to avoid accusing the innocent, and if the RIAA were making sure to only persue copyrights it actually owns, and if the RIAA were behaving legally and ethically in its investigation, and if the RIAA was attempting a good-faith protection of copyright (they seem to just see this as a revenue stream), and if the penalties were sane, then I would agree with you.I support copyright, though I oppose that it's been extended to a century or more here in the US.
I oppose piracy when there are good legitemate alternatives.
That's a far cry from supporting an organization that takes exorbitant money from the innocent because it can.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010600</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011762</id>
	<title>Re:"a" not "an" :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264961220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks more like a typo to me.  Don't let it get your panties in a bind.  There are more important things in the world to worry about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks more like a typo to me .
Do n't let it get your panties in a bind .
There are more important things in the world to worry about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks more like a typo to me.
Don't let it get your panties in a bind.
There are more important things in the world to worry about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010252</id>
	<title>"a" not "an" :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a quick grammar Nazi point, it should be "a University", not "an University"...</p><p>Sorry this one annoys me, just because a word or acronym begin with a vowel does not mean you should use "an".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a quick grammar Nazi point , it should be " a University " , not " an University " ...Sorry this one annoys me , just because a word or acronym begin with a vowel does not mean you should use " an " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a quick grammar Nazi point, it should be "a University", not "an University"...Sorry this one annoys me, just because a word or acronym begin with a vowel does not mean you should use "an".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011934</id>
	<title>Re:There's nothing wrong with protecting ones righ</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1264961940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Congress (who received a mandate [or if mandate is too strong a word, at least explicit permission] to do so directly from the Constitution)</i></p><p>Mandate is too strong a word. The Constitution empowers Congress to grant copyrights, or not, as they see fit, subject to a few restrictions, but it neither requires them to do so, nor encourages them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congress ( who received a mandate [ or if mandate is too strong a word , at least explicit permission ] to do so directly from the Constitution ) Mandate is too strong a word .
The Constitution empowers Congress to grant copyrights , or not , as they see fit , subject to a few restrictions , but it neither requires them to do so , nor encourages them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congress (who received a mandate [or if mandate is too strong a word, at least explicit permission] to do so directly from the Constitution)Mandate is too strong a word.
The Constitution empowers Congress to grant copyrights, or not, as they see fit, subject to a few restrictions, but it neither requires them to do so, nor encourages them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010600</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31023692</id>
	<title>In my day...</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1265305560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had text based Gopher and Pine, and we were damn happy to have it. IRC blew our minds, when I could type and flame someone in real time.</p><p>To play video games we had 2400 baud modems, and I would call the room across from me, and neither one of us could use the phone. Alternatively we could sit next to each other and use the same computer.</p><p>I barely passed University with all these distractions when you add a health dose of booze and women to the mix.</p><p>I have no idea how anyone graduates anymore. I think that is my job security now.</p><p>Get off my lawn you p2p music stealing college pirates!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had text based Gopher and Pine , and we were damn happy to have it .
IRC blew our minds , when I could type and flame someone in real time.To play video games we had 2400 baud modems , and I would call the room across from me , and neither one of us could use the phone .
Alternatively we could sit next to each other and use the same computer.I barely passed University with all these distractions when you add a health dose of booze and women to the mix.I have no idea how anyone graduates anymore .
I think that is my job security now.Get off my lawn you p2p music stealing college pirates !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had text based Gopher and Pine, and we were damn happy to have it.
IRC blew our minds, when I could type and flame someone in real time.To play video games we had 2400 baud modems, and I would call the room across from me, and neither one of us could use the phone.
Alternatively we could sit next to each other and use the same computer.I barely passed University with all these distractions when you add a health dose of booze and women to the mix.I have no idea how anyone graduates anymore.
I think that is my job security now.Get off my lawn you p2p music stealing college pirates!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010270</id>
	<title>Local copy</title>
	<author>richwmn</author>
	<datestamp>1264955580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Article in the Athens (home of UGa) paper -- <a href="http://onlineathens.com/stories/020310/uga\_558085836.shtml" title="onlineathens.com" rel="nofollow">http://onlineathens.com/stories/020310/uga\_558085836.shtml</a> [onlineathens.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Article in the Athens ( home of UGa ) paper -- http : //onlineathens.com/stories/020310/uga \ _558085836.shtml [ onlineathens.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Article in the Athens (home of UGa) paper -- http://onlineathens.com/stories/020310/uga\_558085836.shtml [onlineathens.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011296</id>
	<title>How 'bout them dogs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264959540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Piss on 'em (for stealing from others)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Piss on 'em ( for stealing from others )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Piss on 'em (for stealing from others)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011212</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>Pharmboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>?It should be a selling point to students that they'll be okay if they just need a little help by proving they did nothing wrong.</em></p><p>The fact that the burden of proof is on the students to begin with shows how fucked up the system is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>? It should be a selling point to students that they 'll be okay if they just need a little help by proving they did nothing wrong.The fact that the burden of proof is on the students to begin with shows how fucked up the system is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>?It should be a selling point to students that they'll be okay if they just need a little help by proving they did nothing wrong.The fact that the burden of proof is on the students to begin with shows how fucked up the system is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010126</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010050</id>
	<title>What are you doing here?</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1264954560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like universities don't understand who's paying the bills... this job shouldn't have existed in the first place. Nobody from the school should be in the business of making copyright accusations. That's the RIAA's job, and they're doing a heck of a job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like universities do n't understand who 's paying the bills... this job should n't have existed in the first place .
Nobody from the school should be in the business of making copyright accusations .
That 's the RIAA 's job , and they 're doing a heck of a job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like universities don't understand who's paying the bills... this job shouldn't have existed in the first place.
Nobody from the school should be in the business of making copyright accusations.
That's the RIAA's job, and they're doing a heck of a job.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010166</id>
	<title>Aaaah, the double standard.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you own the content and threaten to sue, it's good business.  If you don't own the content and threaten to help someone sue, it's extortion.</p><p>The blackmail is despicable.  But the whitemail is hardly pristine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you own the content and threaten to sue , it 's good business .
If you do n't own the content and threaten to help someone sue , it 's extortion.The blackmail is despicable .
But the whitemail is hardly pristine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you own the content and threaten to sue, it's good business.
If you don't own the content and threaten to help someone sue, it's extortion.The blackmail is despicable.
But the whitemail is hardly pristine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010828</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1264957860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My guess is that the university hired this guy to avoid having to provide legal aid to students -- i.e., catch them before the RIAA does and handle the matter internally.  It would be nice if they took a hard line in defense of students' rights instead, but you can't necessarily expect them to do that.  It seems like universities' responses to the RIAA's anti-student campaign have been all over the map.  A few do defend their students to the end, more actively collaborate with the RIAA, and most are somewhere in the middle.  State schools are in a particular bind, of course, since (a) most of them are having serious financial problems these days, and (b) they depend for much of their budgets on easily-bought state legislators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is that the university hired this guy to avoid having to provide legal aid to students -- i.e. , catch them before the RIAA does and handle the matter internally .
It would be nice if they took a hard line in defense of students ' rights instead , but you ca n't necessarily expect them to do that .
It seems like universities ' responses to the RIAA 's anti-student campaign have been all over the map .
A few do defend their students to the end , more actively collaborate with the RIAA , and most are somewhere in the middle .
State schools are in a particular bind , of course , since ( a ) most of them are having serious financial problems these days , and ( b ) they depend for much of their budgets on easily-bought state legislators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is that the university hired this guy to avoid having to provide legal aid to students -- i.e., catch them before the RIAA does and handle the matter internally.
It would be nice if they took a hard line in defense of students' rights instead, but you can't necessarily expect them to do that.
It seems like universities' responses to the RIAA's anti-student campaign have been all over the map.
A few do defend their students to the end, more actively collaborate with the RIAA, and most are somewhere in the middle.
State schools are in a particular bind, of course, since (a) most of them are having serious financial problems these days, and (b) they depend for much of their budgets on easily-bought state legislators.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010126</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010190</id>
	<title>Shoulda stayed away from crack.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264955220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couldn't live off his 50k cuz he's a crack feind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't live off his 50k cuz he 's a crack feind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't live off his 50k cuz he's a crack feind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010896</id>
	<title>Re:Aaaah, the double standard.</title>
	<author>jgtg32a</author>
	<datestamp>1264958040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The RIAA isn't threatening to sue, its more you broke the law, here's a settlement and we don't go to the courts who are going to fine you 2x what we are offering.<br>
&nbsp; <br>That being said I would like to see a requirement that the courts need be notified of these dealings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA is n't threatening to sue , its more you broke the law , here 's a settlement and we do n't go to the courts who are going to fine you 2x what we are offering .
  That being said I would like to see a requirement that the courts need be notified of these dealings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA isn't threatening to sue, its more you broke the law, here's a settlement and we don't go to the courts who are going to fine you 2x what we are offering.
  That being said I would like to see a requirement that the courts need be notified of these dealings.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010166</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31012046</id>
	<title>Re:There's a word for this...</title>
	<author>Ltap</author>
	<datestamp>1264962360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is known as a Mexican Standoff - when two groups who are in trouble with the law, and neither group is able to turn the other in without incriminating/exposing themselves. The idea of police reducing sentences for people who provide evidence was designed to stop this; people then have a better chance of being able to turn in fellow criminals and not suffer as much as they would be if they had been turned in. The problem is that no "solution" to this problem is perfect, and there are endless Game Theory-esque permutations that arose when people tried to find one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is known as a Mexican Standoff - when two groups who are in trouble with the law , and neither group is able to turn the other in without incriminating/exposing themselves .
The idea of police reducing sentences for people who provide evidence was designed to stop this ; people then have a better chance of being able to turn in fellow criminals and not suffer as much as they would be if they had been turned in .
The problem is that no " solution " to this problem is perfect , and there are endless Game Theory-esque permutations that arose when people tried to find one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is known as a Mexican Standoff - when two groups who are in trouble with the law, and neither group is able to turn the other in without incriminating/exposing themselves.
The idea of police reducing sentences for people who provide evidence was designed to stop this; people then have a better chance of being able to turn in fellow criminals and not suffer as much as they would be if they had been turned in.
The problem is that no "solution" to this problem is perfect, and there are endless Game Theory-esque permutations that arose when people tried to find one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010774</id>
	<title>"begins" not "begin"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264957620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This one doesn't annoy me, but just because you're talking about one of two possibilities does not mean you should refer to it as plural.</p><p>That feigned, sarcastic apology people make before making a statement? That annoys me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This one does n't annoy me , but just because you 're talking about one of two possibilities does not mean you should refer to it as plural.That feigned , sarcastic apology people make before making a statement ?
That annoys me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This one doesn't annoy me, but just because you're talking about one of two possibilities does not mean you should refer to it as plural.That feigned, sarcastic apology people make before making a statement?
That annoys me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31018368</id>
	<title>This story made my day!</title>
	<author>mykos</author>
	<datestamp>1264953240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I constantly wondered to myself "isn't threatening to report criminal activity if someone doesn't give you money extortion?"  Glad to see it confirmed.</p><p>Now we need to start moving to prosecute the RIAA.  They either need to report every copyright violation to the police, or quit extorting people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I constantly wondered to myself " is n't threatening to report criminal activity if someone does n't give you money extortion ?
" Glad to see it confirmed.Now we need to start moving to prosecute the RIAA .
They either need to report every copyright violation to the police , or quit extorting people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I constantly wondered to myself "isn't threatening to report criminal activity if someone doesn't give you money extortion?
"  Glad to see it confirmed.Now we need to start moving to prosecute the RIAA.
They either need to report every copyright violation to the police, or quit extorting people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31013674</id>
	<title>Re:There's nothing wrong with protecting ones righ</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1264969500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So long as the RIAA-members have legally obtained their copyrights, they are well within their legal rights. If you don't like the way the copyright laws currently exist</p></div><p>To be fair, I think there are a number of issues at stake here:</p><ul><li>How fairly were those rights obtained?  We live in a much more complicated society today than in the mid 18th century, and the extent to which a small number of organisations have systematically set themselves up to screw the very people upon whose output they depend <b>and yet continue to get away with it</b> was probably never dreamed of.   If there was real competition, a record label could openly embrace a "Do no evil" policy and promptly swallow up the rights to every new, interesting artist for years to come.  As it stands, the only record labels to have such policies are by and large minute - and certainly won't be getting anyone to number 1 soon.</li><li>Is the purpose of copyrights to encourage the arts or to encourage idleness?  If the former, why is it necessary for them to continue for decades after the artist dies?  There's a whole industry dedicated to providing for your loved ones if you die suddenly - it's called life insurance.  Did that industry not exist back then?  (Serious question, it may not have done)</li></ul></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So long as the RIAA-members have legally obtained their copyrights , they are well within their legal rights .
If you do n't like the way the copyright laws currently existTo be fair , I think there are a number of issues at stake here : How fairly were those rights obtained ?
We live in a much more complicated society today than in the mid 18th century , and the extent to which a small number of organisations have systematically set themselves up to screw the very people upon whose output they depend and yet continue to get away with it was probably never dreamed of .
If there was real competition , a record label could openly embrace a " Do no evil " policy and promptly swallow up the rights to every new , interesting artist for years to come .
As it stands , the only record labels to have such policies are by and large minute - and certainly wo n't be getting anyone to number 1 soon.Is the purpose of copyrights to encourage the arts or to encourage idleness ?
If the former , why is it necessary for them to continue for decades after the artist dies ?
There 's a whole industry dedicated to providing for your loved ones if you die suddenly - it 's called life insurance .
Did that industry not exist back then ?
( Serious question , it may not have done )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long as the RIAA-members have legally obtained their copyrights, they are well within their legal rights.
If you don't like the way the copyright laws currently existTo be fair, I think there are a number of issues at stake here:How fairly were those rights obtained?
We live in a much more complicated society today than in the mid 18th century, and the extent to which a small number of organisations have systematically set themselves up to screw the very people upon whose output they depend and yet continue to get away with it was probably never dreamed of.
If there was real competition, a record label could openly embrace a "Do no evil" policy and promptly swallow up the rights to every new, interesting artist for years to come.
As it stands, the only record labels to have such policies are by and large minute - and certainly won't be getting anyone to number 1 soon.Is the purpose of copyrights to encourage the arts or to encourage idleness?
If the former, why is it necessary for them to continue for decades after the artist dies?
There's a whole industry dedicated to providing for your loved ones if you die suddenly - it's called life insurance.
Did that industry not exist back then?
(Serious question, it may not have done)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31012966</id>
	<title>Re:I want that job</title>
	<author>millia</author>
	<datestamp>1264966380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, he did have another job function that I know of, but they didn't mention it in the article.</p><p>Always fun when you see your place of employment in a newspaper article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , he did have another job function that I know of , but they did n't mention it in the article.Always fun when you see your place of employment in a newspaper article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, he did have another job function that I know of, but they didn't mention it in the article.Always fun when you see your place of employment in a newspaper article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010068</id>
	<title>It should have been patented!</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1264954680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why we need business method patents!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why we need business method patents !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why we need business method patents!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010268</id>
	<title>There's a word for this...</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1264955580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and I think it's "asshole". Wow, what a jerk.</p><p>That said, this is the sort of situation that inevitably arises when violating the law. If you steal cars, and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you, who are you going to call? A considerable proportion of organized crime exists because of this quandary. Ergo, my guess is that the lid was blown off this situation when the miscreant, probably carelessly, tried to lean on a student who wasn't actually pirating anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and I think it 's " asshole " .
Wow , what a jerk.That said , this is the sort of situation that inevitably arises when violating the law .
If you steal cars , and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you , who are you going to call ?
A considerable proportion of organized crime exists because of this quandary .
Ergo , my guess is that the lid was blown off this situation when the miscreant , probably carelessly , tried to lean on a student who was n't actually pirating anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and I think it's "asshole".
Wow, what a jerk.That said, this is the sort of situation that inevitably arises when violating the law.
If you steal cars, and someone steals your stolen goods -- or tries to extort protection money from you, who are you going to call?
A considerable proportion of organized crime exists because of this quandary.
Ergo, my guess is that the lid was blown off this situation when the miscreant, probably carelessly, tried to lean on a student who wasn't actually pirating anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010370</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never had to fight off the MAFIAA when I was in college, but I once got a lawyer from my university's Student Legal Services after my landlord refused to repair a pretty serious problem in my apartment.</p><p>For better or worse, though, he got the problem fixed before I was able to lawyer up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never had to fight off the MAFIAA when I was in college , but I once got a lawyer from my university 's Student Legal Services after my landlord refused to repair a pretty serious problem in my apartment.For better or worse , though , he got the problem fixed before I was able to lawyer up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never had to fight off the MAFIAA when I was in college, but I once got a lawyer from my university's Student Legal Services after my landlord refused to repair a pretty serious problem in my apartment.For better or worse, though, he got the problem fixed before I was able to lawyer up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011670</id>
	<title>Question About Universities' Position on Copyright</title>
	<author>dragmar</author>
	<datestamp>1264960860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If there is a position at a University created to monitor copyright violations, are they not acknowledging a copyright violation on their network is their responsibility and if violated can now be held accountable?


(Please forgive my English, its my primary language)</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there is a position at a University created to monitor copyright violations , are they not acknowledging a copyright violation on their network is their responsibility and if violated can now be held accountable ?
( Please forgive my English , its my primary language )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there is a position at a University created to monitor copyright violations, are they not acknowledging a copyright violation on their network is their responsibility and if violated can now be held accountable?
(Please forgive my English, its my primary language)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011342</id>
	<title>This IT Guy . . .</title>
	<author>hduff</author>
	<datestamp>1264959720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. . . is on the path to an MBA or law school and then into politics. </p><p>Be very afraid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
is on the path to an MBA or law school and then into politics .
Be very afraid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
is on the path to an MBA or law school and then into politics.
Be very afraid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010600</id>
	<title>There's nothing wrong with protecting ones rights</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm really sick of all the idiots on the Internet who really see no difference between someone protecting the legal rights granted to them by Congress (who received a mandate [or if mandate is too strong a word, at least explicit permission] to do so directly from the Constitution), and some idiot who has no right to ask you for money.</p><p>Now, I know someone is going to bring up an argument that RIAA are a bunch of rent-seeking squatters who screw the artists, and it should be the artists who hold the copyrights, not RIAA which is a third party, so how is the RIAA any different from the guy in this article? Here's the simple truth: the difference is that the artists agreed to the terms offered to them by the RIAA member labels, and received compensation. Now, I'm no fan of the RIAA. I think the best thing that could happen to music would be for a few other labels to arise that truly compete with the RIAA (both competing to sign artists with more favorable terms, and competing to sell the products to customers with more favorable terms), but the fact remains that the artists signed away their copyrights and accepted the money. Even though they may have been in a position where they didn't think they could get better terms from any other labels, ultimately they are adults who voluntarily accepted those terms, and made a business deal, and the RIAA has done nothing illegal. The copyright statutes allow for the transfer of copyright.</p><p>So long as the RIAA-members have legally obtained their copyrights, they are well within their legal rights. If you don't like the way the copyright laws currently exist, then you need to work hard to get them changed. But, it's easier to just violate copyright law than to actually effect change (either by getting a popular movement started to change copyright and convince people that the changes are just and necessary, OR by starting up some competition and letting the Free Market solve the problem - both of which are hard work), so people take the lazy way out. They just make illegal copies, and blame everybody else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm really sick of all the idiots on the Internet who really see no difference between someone protecting the legal rights granted to them by Congress ( who received a mandate [ or if mandate is too strong a word , at least explicit permission ] to do so directly from the Constitution ) , and some idiot who has no right to ask you for money.Now , I know someone is going to bring up an argument that RIAA are a bunch of rent-seeking squatters who screw the artists , and it should be the artists who hold the copyrights , not RIAA which is a third party , so how is the RIAA any different from the guy in this article ?
Here 's the simple truth : the difference is that the artists agreed to the terms offered to them by the RIAA member labels , and received compensation .
Now , I 'm no fan of the RIAA .
I think the best thing that could happen to music would be for a few other labels to arise that truly compete with the RIAA ( both competing to sign artists with more favorable terms , and competing to sell the products to customers with more favorable terms ) , but the fact remains that the artists signed away their copyrights and accepted the money .
Even though they may have been in a position where they did n't think they could get better terms from any other labels , ultimately they are adults who voluntarily accepted those terms , and made a business deal , and the RIAA has done nothing illegal .
The copyright statutes allow for the transfer of copyright.So long as the RIAA-members have legally obtained their copyrights , they are well within their legal rights .
If you do n't like the way the copyright laws currently exist , then you need to work hard to get them changed .
But , it 's easier to just violate copyright law than to actually effect change ( either by getting a popular movement started to change copyright and convince people that the changes are just and necessary , OR by starting up some competition and letting the Free Market solve the problem - both of which are hard work ) , so people take the lazy way out .
They just make illegal copies , and blame everybody else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm really sick of all the idiots on the Internet who really see no difference between someone protecting the legal rights granted to them by Congress (who received a mandate [or if mandate is too strong a word, at least explicit permission] to do so directly from the Constitution), and some idiot who has no right to ask you for money.Now, I know someone is going to bring up an argument that RIAA are a bunch of rent-seeking squatters who screw the artists, and it should be the artists who hold the copyrights, not RIAA which is a third party, so how is the RIAA any different from the guy in this article?
Here's the simple truth: the difference is that the artists agreed to the terms offered to them by the RIAA member labels, and received compensation.
Now, I'm no fan of the RIAA.
I think the best thing that could happen to music would be for a few other labels to arise that truly compete with the RIAA (both competing to sign artists with more favorable terms, and competing to sell the products to customers with more favorable terms), but the fact remains that the artists signed away their copyrights and accepted the money.
Even though they may have been in a position where they didn't think they could get better terms from any other labels, ultimately they are adults who voluntarily accepted those terms, and made a business deal, and the RIAA has done nothing illegal.
The copyright statutes allow for the transfer of copyright.So long as the RIAA-members have legally obtained their copyrights, they are well within their legal rights.
If you don't like the way the copyright laws currently exist, then you need to work hard to get them changed.
But, it's easier to just violate copyright law than to actually effect change (either by getting a popular movement started to change copyright and convince people that the changes are just and necessary, OR by starting up some competition and letting the Free Market solve the problem - both of which are hard work), so people take the lazy way out.
They just make illegal copies, and blame everybody else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010234</id>
	<title>Re:University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>SnapShot</author>
	<datestamp>1264955460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds interesting, is there a story behind that?  What did you post on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. that got the MPAA's panties in a bunch?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds interesting , is there a story behind that ?
What did you post on / .
that got the MPAA 's panties in a bunch ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds interesting, is there a story behind that?
What did you post on /.
that got the MPAA's panties in a bunch?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010714</id>
	<title>Re:"a" not "an" :)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264957320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Sorry this one annoys me, just because a word or acronym begin with a vowel does not mean you should use "an".</i> <br>
<br>
Wow! An honest slashdot poster! ; )</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry this one annoys me , just because a word or acronym begin with a vowel does not mean you should use " an " .
Wow ! An honest slashdot poster !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry this one annoys me, just because a word or acronym begin with a vowel does not mean you should use "an".
Wow! An honest slashdot poster!
; )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011794</id>
	<title>Re:There's a word for this...</title>
	<author>moeinvt</author>
	<datestamp>1264961400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, the guy's a complete arsehole</p><p>Recall however that in a "protection racket"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,contrary to popular fiction, there is often an actual service provided, and a profit motive involved.  In your analogy, the person stealing cars is financially motivated, and is giving up a share of the profits for protection.  This guy's scheme is simple blackmail.  "Give me money, or I'll rat you out".  If the person had been downloading content for financial gain and the guy had offered to keep the log files clean in exchange for a cut, at least it would have been a business transaction.  This guy was just an extortionist, and also a jerk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , the guy 's a complete arseholeRecall however that in a " protection racket " ,contrary to popular fiction , there is often an actual service provided , and a profit motive involved .
In your analogy , the person stealing cars is financially motivated , and is giving up a share of the profits for protection .
This guy 's scheme is simple blackmail .
" Give me money , or I 'll rat you out " .
If the person had been downloading content for financial gain and the guy had offered to keep the log files clean in exchange for a cut , at least it would have been a business transaction .
This guy was just an extortionist , and also a jerk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, the guy's a complete arseholeRecall however that in a "protection racket" ,contrary to popular fiction, there is often an actual service provided, and a profit motive involved.
In your analogy, the person stealing cars is financially motivated, and is giving up a share of the profits for protection.
This guy's scheme is simple blackmail.
"Give me money, or I'll rat you out".
If the person had been downloading content for financial gain and the guy had offered to keep the log files clean in exchange for a cut, at least it would have been a business transaction.
This guy was just an extortionist, and also a jerk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31012324</id>
	<title>He'll be sleeping with the fishes soon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264963260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The MAFIAA doesn't like it when somebody tries to grab a piece of the action without first clearing it with the don and giving him his cut.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The MAFIAA does n't like it when somebody tries to grab a piece of the action without first clearing it with the don and giving him his cut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The MAFIAA doesn't like it when somebody tries to grab a piece of the action without first clearing it with the don and giving him his cut.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31011502</id>
	<title>Re:There's nothing wrong with protecting ones righ</title>
	<author>calibre-not-output</author>
	<datestamp>1264960200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I feel the need to point out the exception of "fair use". That is predicted in the law and the RIAA, MPAA et. al. choose to ignore it anyway. when they do that, they're acting illegally, committing blackmail and just being general assholes.

Of course they're assholes either way, but in the other cases they do it legally.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel the need to point out the exception of " fair use " .
That is predicted in the law and the RIAA , MPAA et .
al. choose to ignore it anyway .
when they do that , they 're acting illegally , committing blackmail and just being general assholes .
Of course they 're assholes either way , but in the other cases they do it legally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel the need to point out the exception of "fair use".
That is predicted in the law and the RIAA, MPAA et.
al. choose to ignore it anyway.
when they do that, they're acting illegally, committing blackmail and just being general assholes.
Of course they're assholes either way, but in the other cases they do it legally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31017620</id>
	<title>Re:Isn't about RIAA/copyright, is social engineeri</title>
	<author>nemesisrocks</author>
	<datestamp>1264947000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You appear to have provided too much detail.  If you were following the formula correctly, it would be:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>1. Find something that the target group is aware of that "threatens" them</p><p>2. Build up a cover that you are in a position to make that happen to them sooner</p><p>3. Claim you can make it go away for $$$. Enough so you make some money, but low enough that the target can scrounge it up.</p><p> <b>4. ???</b> </p><p>5. Profit</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You appear to have provided too much detail .
If you were following the formula correctly , it would be : 1 .
Find something that the target group is aware of that " threatens " them2 .
Build up a cover that you are in a position to make that happen to them sooner3 .
Claim you can make it go away for $ $ $ .
Enough so you make some money , but low enough that the target can scrounge it up .
4. ? ? ?
5. Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You appear to have provided too much detail.
If you were following the formula correctly, it would be:1.
Find something that the target group is aware of that "threatens" them2.
Build up a cover that you are in a position to make that happen to them sooner3.
Claim you can make it go away for $$$.
Enough so you make some money, but low enough that the target can scrounge it up.
4. ???
5. Profit
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_03_158239.31010126</id>
	<title>University Legal Services?</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1264954980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about UGA, but when I went to college all students were covered with free lawyers and lawyers-in-training from the law school on campus for any dispute that didn't involve the university. They helped me fight off an MPAA attack when they didn't like my posting on Slashdot.</p><p>It should be a selling point to students that they'll be okay if they just need a little help by proving they did nothing wrong. Again, what side is UGA on here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about UGA , but when I went to college all students were covered with free lawyers and lawyers-in-training from the law school on campus for any dispute that did n't involve the university .
They helped me fight off an MPAA attack when they did n't like my posting on Slashdot.It should be a selling point to students that they 'll be okay if they just need a little help by proving they did nothing wrong .
Again , what side is UGA on here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about UGA, but when I went to college all students were covered with free lawyers and lawyers-in-training from the law school on campus for any dispute that didn't involve the university.
They helped me fight off an MPAA attack when they didn't like my posting on Slashdot.It should be a selling point to students that they'll be okay if they just need a little help by proving they did nothing wrong.
Again, what side is UGA on here?</sentencetext>
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