<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_02_186238</id>
	<title>A Look Into the Chinese Hacker Underworld</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265136900000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>beachels416 writes <i>"The NY Times <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/02/business/global/02hacker.html?pagewanted=1&amp;hp">gained access to a Chinese hacker-for-profit</a>, referred to as 'Majia,' and observed him during one of his nightly 'sessions.' From the article: 'Oddly, Majia said his parents did not know that he was hacking at night [hacking is illegal in China]. But at one point, he explained the intricacies of computer hacking and stealing data while his mother stood nearby, listening silently, while offering a guest oranges and candy.' At another point Majia spoke about the recent Google attacks, and claimed to have particular knowledge of the exact vector used. Nothing too new, but an interesting read nevertheless."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>beachels416 writes " The NY Times gained access to a Chinese hacker-for-profit , referred to as 'Majia, ' and observed him during one of his nightly 'sessions .
' From the article : 'Oddly , Majia said his parents did not know that he was hacking at night [ hacking is illegal in China ] .
But at one point , he explained the intricacies of computer hacking and stealing data while his mother stood nearby , listening silently , while offering a guest oranges and candy .
' At another point Majia spoke about the recent Google attacks , and claimed to have particular knowledge of the exact vector used .
Nothing too new , but an interesting read nevertheless .
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<sentencetext>beachels416 writes "The NY Times gained access to a Chinese hacker-for-profit, referred to as 'Majia,' and observed him during one of his nightly 'sessions.
' From the article: 'Oddly, Majia said his parents did not know that he was hacking at night [hacking is illegal in China].
But at one point, he explained the intricacies of computer hacking and stealing data while his mother stood nearby, listening silently, while offering a guest oranges and candy.
' At another point Majia spoke about the recent Google attacks, and claimed to have particular knowledge of the exact vector used.
Nothing too new, but an interesting read nevertheless.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001370</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the English language. When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.</p><p>What you will find even more confusing is that words sometimes have multiple meanings! For example, the word "hacker" could mean both "a clever programmer", "a golfer", and "a person who circumvents computer system security." All three at the same time! It's amazing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the English language .
When 99 \ % of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing , then that word does , in fact , mean that thing.What you will find even more confusing is that words sometimes have multiple meanings !
For example , the word " hacker " could mean both " a clever programmer " , " a golfer " , and " a person who circumvents computer system security .
" All three at the same time !
It 's amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the English language.
When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.What you will find even more confusing is that words sometimes have multiple meanings!
For example, the word "hacker" could mean both "a clever programmer", "a golfer", and "a person who circumvents computer system security.
" All three at the same time!
It's amazing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000474</id>
	<title>Re:How to deal with Chinese hackers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did I fall asleep?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did I fall asleep ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did I fall asleep?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31003880</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Ruie</author>
	<datestamp>1265120400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to the English language. When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.</p><p>
And this makes those who use it properly even more 1337.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the English language .
When 99 \ % of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing , then that word does , in fact , mean that thing .
And this makes those who use it properly even more 1337 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the English language.
When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.
And this makes those who use it properly even more 1337.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000718</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's no more settled than whether some guy 2000 years ago really died for our sins.</p></div><p>Nah, that's quite well settled. If he existed, he died for pissing off the Roman authorities. Bitch-slapping the money changers and uniting the poor interferes with tax revenues.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's no more settled than whether some guy 2000 years ago really died for our sins.Nah , that 's quite well settled .
If he existed , he died for pissing off the Roman authorities .
Bitch-slapping the money changers and uniting the poor interferes with tax revenues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's no more settled than whether some guy 2000 years ago really died for our sins.Nah, that's quite well settled.
If he existed, he died for pissing off the Roman authorities.
Bitch-slapping the money changers and uniting the poor interferes with tax revenues.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31018200</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Nyder</author>
	<datestamp>1264951920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Welcome to the English language. When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.</p><p>What you will find even more confusing is that words sometimes have multiple meanings! For example, the word "hacker" could mean both "a clever programmer", "a golfer", and "a person who circumvents computer system security." All three at the same time! It's amazing.</p></div><p>ya, i've noticed the word "unlimited" seems to mean "limited" these days...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the English language .
When 99 \ % of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing , then that word does , in fact , mean that thing.What you will find even more confusing is that words sometimes have multiple meanings !
For example , the word " hacker " could mean both " a clever programmer " , " a golfer " , and " a person who circumvents computer system security .
" All three at the same time !
It 's amazing.ya , i 've noticed the word " unlimited " seems to mean " limited " these days.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the English language.
When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.What you will find even more confusing is that words sometimes have multiple meanings!
For example, the word "hacker" could mean both "a clever programmer", "a golfer", and "a person who circumvents computer system security.
" All three at the same time!
It's amazing.ya, i've noticed the word "unlimited" seems to mean "limited" these days...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000618</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>-1 Stale meme</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-1 Stale meme</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-1 Stale meme</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000708</id>
	<title>Re:How to deal with Chinese hackers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, like that will work. The hacker will obviously be behind a firewall. When you spike his IP address millions of people around the world sitting at 192.168.0.2 will go zombie. You should think before you post that sort of stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , like that will work .
The hacker will obviously be behind a firewall .
When you spike his IP address millions of people around the world sitting at 192.168.0.2 will go zombie .
You should think before you post that sort of stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, like that will work.
The hacker will obviously be behind a firewall.
When you spike his IP address millions of people around the world sitting at 192.168.0.2 will go zombie.
You should think before you post that sort of stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002806</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265114220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Welcome to the English language. When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.</p></div></blockquote><p>You tell that to anyone with schizophrenia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to the English language .
When 99 \ % of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing , then that word does , in fact , mean that thing.You tell that to anyone with schizophrenia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to the English language.
When 99\% of the population understands a certain word to mean a certain thing, then that word does, in fact, mean that thing.You tell that to anyone with schizophrenia.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000352</id>
	<title>Anyone here thinks it's actually a good thing?</title>
	<author>francium de neobie</author>
	<datestamp>1265101560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess plenty of Slashdotters learned a bit about computing from minor cracks - almost everyone has changed a save game file with a text or hex editor. Insecure network shares at your school network. Getting your neighbors' insecure Wifi passwords, someone probably thinks MAC filtering alone is safe. Modifying Flash games to give yourself 2^31 - 1 points on the high score board. Getting root on random poorly secured UNIX terminals in tech expos. Getting into someone else's IIS and read his local files via the canonical path bug many years ago. etc.
<br> <br>
Sure it's not healthy if all you do are these minor thing and you keep doing these stuff for years. But it's a good inlet for kids to learn computing nevertheless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess plenty of Slashdotters learned a bit about computing from minor cracks - almost everyone has changed a save game file with a text or hex editor .
Insecure network shares at your school network .
Getting your neighbors ' insecure Wifi passwords , someone probably thinks MAC filtering alone is safe .
Modifying Flash games to give yourself 2 ^ 31 - 1 points on the high score board .
Getting root on random poorly secured UNIX terminals in tech expos .
Getting into someone else 's IIS and read his local files via the canonical path bug many years ago .
etc . Sure it 's not healthy if all you do are these minor thing and you keep doing these stuff for years .
But it 's a good inlet for kids to learn computing nevertheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess plenty of Slashdotters learned a bit about computing from minor cracks - almost everyone has changed a save game file with a text or hex editor.
Insecure network shares at your school network.
Getting your neighbors' insecure Wifi passwords, someone probably thinks MAC filtering alone is safe.
Modifying Flash games to give yourself 2^31 - 1 points on the high score board.
Getting root on random poorly secured UNIX terminals in tech expos.
Getting into someone else's IIS and read his local files via the canonical path bug many years ago.
etc.
 
Sure it's not healthy if all you do are these minor thing and you keep doing these stuff for years.
But it's a good inlet for kids to learn computing nevertheless.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002348</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265111520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In some foreign cultures you're expected to stay with your parents, then take care of them when they get old. If you marry, the bride joins you in the family house. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement: you're taken care of during the first part of your life, they're taken care of during the last part of theirs.</p><p>Not everyone subscribes to the "you're 18? Get the fuck out, good luck with everything" mentality so prevalent in the west.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In some foreign cultures you 're expected to stay with your parents , then take care of them when they get old .
If you marry , the bride joins you in the family house .
It 's a mutually beneficial arrangement : you 're taken care of during the first part of your life , they 're taken care of during the last part of theirs.Not everyone subscribes to the " you 're 18 ?
Get the fuck out , good luck with everything " mentality so prevalent in the west .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some foreign cultures you're expected to stay with your parents, then take care of them when they get old.
If you marry, the bride joins you in the family house.
It's a mutually beneficial arrangement: you're taken care of during the first part of your life, they're taken care of during the last part of theirs.Not everyone subscribes to the "you're 18?
Get the fuck out, good luck with everything" mentality so prevalent in the west.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001442</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, grandpa!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , grandpa !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, grandpa!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002408</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>nemoss</author>
	<datestamp>1265111880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the first thing I thought when I saw the photo of his desk - If this guy's such a big league money making hacker, why's his computer so cheap and crappy looking? <i>Why does he only have a 15" monitor?</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the first thing I thought when I saw the photo of his desk - If this guy 's such a big league money making hacker , why 's his computer so cheap and crappy looking ?
Why does he only have a 15 " monitor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the first thing I thought when I saw the photo of his desk - If this guy's such a big league money making hacker, why's his computer so cheap and crappy looking?
Why does he only have a 15" monitor?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999988</id>
	<title>Re:A real hacker...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's an interesting myth... if what makes you a hacker is that you never discuss your exploits surrounding infosec, then under your definition you're clearly labeling every big-name infosec professional a fraud. In other words you're full of shit.<br> <br>- ShadowHatesYou</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's an interesting myth... if what makes you a hacker is that you never discuss your exploits surrounding infosec , then under your definition you 're clearly labeling every big-name infosec professional a fraud .
In other words you 're full of shit .
- ShadowHatesYou</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's an interesting myth... if what makes you a hacker is that you never discuss your exploits surrounding infosec, then under your definition you're clearly labeling every big-name infosec professional a fraud.
In other words you're full of shit.
- ShadowHatesYou</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000248</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>Alpha830RulZ</author>
	<datestamp>1265144220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.</i></p><p>If everyone had the same background, geneology, wealth, intelligence, etc, and still acted in different manners, you might have an argument for non-determinism.  But that too is an impossible scenario, so we don't really know, do we?  Simple birth order has been shown to change behavior between siblings.  The brownian motion of society will cause us to have different histories, and thus to be determined differently.</p><p>Those of us who do believe in determinism don't automatically rule out the phenomenon of apparent free will.  We simply think it's likely a perception, rather than any true capriciousness of man's mind.  If you argue this, it's because your history and makeup force you to do so.  If you don't, it's because they allow you not to.</p><p>It's really hard to -prove- that free will exists.  I spent 2 years in philosophy classes listening to people try.  It's no more settled than whether some guy 2000 years ago really died for our sins.  It's also usually argued with the same level of non-fact based vehemence, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.If everyone had the same background , geneology , wealth , intelligence , etc , and still acted in different manners , you might have an argument for non-determinism .
But that too is an impossible scenario , so we do n't really know , do we ?
Simple birth order has been shown to change behavior between siblings .
The brownian motion of society will cause us to have different histories , and thus to be determined differently.Those of us who do believe in determinism do n't automatically rule out the phenomenon of apparent free will .
We simply think it 's likely a perception , rather than any true capriciousness of man 's mind .
If you argue this , it 's because your history and makeup force you to do so .
If you do n't , it 's because they allow you not to.It 's really hard to -prove- that free will exists .
I spent 2 years in philosophy classes listening to people try .
It 's no more settled than whether some guy 2000 years ago really died for our sins .
It 's also usually argued with the same level of non-fact based vehemence , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.If everyone had the same background, geneology, wealth, intelligence, etc, and still acted in different manners, you might have an argument for non-determinism.
But that too is an impossible scenario, so we don't really know, do we?
Simple birth order has been shown to change behavior between siblings.
The brownian motion of society will cause us to have different histories, and thus to be determined differently.Those of us who do believe in determinism don't automatically rule out the phenomenon of apparent free will.
We simply think it's likely a perception, rather than any true capriciousness of man's mind.
If you argue this, it's because your history and makeup force you to do so.
If you don't, it's because they allow you not to.It's really hard to -prove- that free will exists.
I spent 2 years in philosophy classes listening to people try.
It's no more settled than whether some guy 2000 years ago really died for our sins.
It's also usually argued with the same level of non-fact based vehemence, too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002356</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>jlintern</author>
	<datestamp>1265111520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the word "hacker" could mean <b>both</b> "a clever programmer", "a golfer", and "a person who circumvents computer system security."</p></div><p>AFAIK, "both" still means two.

(and if you repeat it over and over again, it becomes a really funny word)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the word " hacker " could mean both " a clever programmer " , " a golfer " , and " a person who circumvents computer system security .
" AFAIK , " both " still means two .
( and if you repeat it over and over again , it becomes a really funny word )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the word "hacker" could mean both "a clever programmer", "a golfer", and "a person who circumvents computer system security.
"AFAIK, "both" still means two.
(and if you repeat it over and over again, it becomes a really funny word)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999622</id>
	<title>Perspective check</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article highlights two important facts<br>1. Fun<br>2. Profitable</p><p>It's been a long time since I broke into my grade school's soda/chips/candy closet from a skylight on the roof. Sitting there drinking soda and enjoying chips, I can clearly remember how exciting (breaking in) and rewarding (chips/soda) it was. Later, I learned to respect other people's property.</p><p>So what now?<br>If you park a trailer in an accessible area<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone. It's very exciting - it's very rewarding. Is it wrong - sure. Are the thieves the ones to blame - no. Not exactly. The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected. It's an ongoing game where we square off with human nature - make it furn for the security side - keep building better mouse traps. Don't like this perspective? Ok - change human nature then.  Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article highlights two important facts1 .
Fun2. ProfitableIt 's been a long time since I broke into my grade school 's soda/chips/candy closet from a skylight on the roof .
Sitting there drinking soda and enjoying chips , I can clearly remember how exciting ( breaking in ) and rewarding ( chips/soda ) it was .
Later , I learned to respect other people 's property.So what now ? If you park a trailer in an accessible area ... expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone .
It 's very exciting - it 's very rewarding .
Is it wrong - sure .
Are the thieves the ones to blame - no .
Not exactly .
The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected .
It 's an ongoing game where we square off with human nature - make it furn for the security side - keep building better mouse traps .
Do n't like this perspective ?
Ok - change human nature then .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article highlights two important facts1.
Fun2. ProfitableIt's been a long time since I broke into my grade school's soda/chips/candy closet from a skylight on the roof.
Sitting there drinking soda and enjoying chips, I can clearly remember how exciting (breaking in) and rewarding (chips/soda) it was.
Later, I learned to respect other people's property.So what now?If you park a trailer in an accessible area ... expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone.
It's very exciting - it's very rewarding.
Is it wrong - sure.
Are the thieves the ones to blame - no.
Not exactly.
The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected.
It's an ongoing game where we square off with human nature - make it furn for the security side - keep building better mouse traps.
Don't like this perspective?
Ok - change human nature then.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002696</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>socz</author>
	<datestamp>1265113680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone posted about growing up a skater and I feel the same way they did, just as you do about breaking in.
<br> <br>
Growing up we had no regard for grinding, but as an adult we understand why it's harmful to the environment. Unfortunately that is indeed how life is, no matter how hard you try.
<br> <br>
Although there is a huge difference from grinding curbs, breaking in for chips/pop and stealing money from bank accounts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone posted about growing up a skater and I feel the same way they did , just as you do about breaking in .
Growing up we had no regard for grinding , but as an adult we understand why it 's harmful to the environment .
Unfortunately that is indeed how life is , no matter how hard you try .
Although there is a huge difference from grinding curbs , breaking in for chips/pop and stealing money from bank accounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone posted about growing up a skater and I feel the same way they did, just as you do about breaking in.
Growing up we had no regard for grinding, but as an adult we understand why it's harmful to the environment.
Unfortunately that is indeed how life is, no matter how hard you try.
Although there is a huge difference from grinding curbs, breaking in for chips/pop and stealing money from bank accounts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31010424</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the Sales dept...</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1264956300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if you relax your eyes, it'll turn into a CG face giving you the raspberry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if you relax your eyes , it 'll turn into a CG face giving you the raspberry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you relax your eyes, it'll turn into a CG face giving you the raspberry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000150</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, if you happen to be an open source developer, the "FOSS guy" label is much better than "hacker" anyway. None of the confusion, and people still respect you as much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if you happen to be an open source developer , the " FOSS guy " label is much better than " hacker " anyway .
None of the confusion , and people still respect you as much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if you happen to be an open source developer, the "FOSS guy" label is much better than "hacker" anyway.
None of the confusion, and people still respect you as much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999776</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that there are examples of people stealing doesn't imply that it is human nature to steal - there are, after all, people who don't steal. Instead, humans have the *capacity* to act rationally or irrationally - to steal or not steal. *That* capacity to choose is in human nature.
<br> <br>
So if someone does steal, they <i>are</i> to blame, because they had a <b>choice</b> in the matter. They chose to act irrationally - to steal. Claiming that they are not to blame because it is "in their nature" is an argument for determinism, which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that there are examples of people stealing does n't imply that it is human nature to steal - there are , after all , people who do n't steal .
Instead , humans have the * capacity * to act rationally or irrationally - to steal or not steal .
* That * capacity to choose is in human nature .
So if someone does steal , they are to blame , because they had a choice in the matter .
They chose to act irrationally - to steal .
Claiming that they are not to blame because it is " in their nature " is an argument for determinism , which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that there are examples of people stealing doesn't imply that it is human nature to steal - there are, after all, people who don't steal.
Instead, humans have the *capacity* to act rationally or irrationally - to steal or not steal.
*That* capacity to choose is in human nature.
So if someone does steal, they are to blame, because they had a choice in the matter.
They chose to act irrationally - to steal.
Claiming that they are not to blame because it is "in their nature" is an argument for determinism, which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002402</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>halcyon1234</author>
	<datestamp>1265111820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker?</p></div></blockquote><p>Allow me to present a scenerio:</p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 1:</b> Whoa, taking some heat from that Google thing. We need to lay low a bit. </p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 2:</b> Or, look at this. The NYT is looking to interview a hacker to do an expose.</p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 1:</b> How'd you find that out? </p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 2:</b> We \_are\_ Super Elite Chinese Hackers, you know. It even says so in bold to the left.</p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 1:</b> Shouldn't that be on top, since we're Chinese? And why are we speaking English? </p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 2:</b> It's Slashdot.  Everything's American. Look, are you going to argue about how I decorate the fourth wall, or do you want to hear my plan? Does that ignorant snot of a *ahem* programmer still work at your Uncle's factory?</p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 1:</b> Cousin Shitface?  Yes.  Why?</p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 2:</b> Invite him over for dinner in about a week, and tell him to bring his VB. I'll make sure the NYT are here to see just how scared they should be of 'Chinese hackers'</p><p> <i>Later...</i> </p><p> <b>Tech-Illiterate American In Charge of CyberSecurity Funding:</b> Whoa, that guy's really stupid. I guess we don't have to worry about the Chinese. Call off the e-hounds!</p><p> <b>Super elite Chinese Hacker 2, Eavesdropping via hacked soundcard:</b> Excellent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this guy living with his mom if he 's such a great and skilled hacker ? Allow me to present a scenerio : Super elite Chinese Hacker 1 : Whoa , taking some heat from that Google thing .
We need to lay low a bit .
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2 : Or , look at this .
The NYT is looking to interview a hacker to do an expose .
Super elite Chinese Hacker 1 : How 'd you find that out ?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2 : We \ _are \ _ Super Elite Chinese Hackers , you know .
It even says so in bold to the left .
Super elite Chinese Hacker 1 : Should n't that be on top , since we 're Chinese ?
And why are we speaking English ?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2 : It 's Slashdot .
Everything 's American .
Look , are you going to argue about how I decorate the fourth wall , or do you want to hear my plan ?
Does that ignorant snot of a * ahem * programmer still work at your Uncle 's factory ?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 1 : Cousin Shitface ?
Yes. Why ?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2 : Invite him over for dinner in about a week , and tell him to bring his VB .
I 'll make sure the NYT are here to see just how scared they should be of 'Chinese hackers ' Later... Tech-Illiterate American In Charge of CyberSecurity Funding : Whoa , that guy 's really stupid .
I guess we do n't have to worry about the Chinese .
Call off the e-hounds !
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2 , Eavesdropping via hacked soundcard : Excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker?Allow me to present a scenerio: Super elite Chinese Hacker 1: Whoa, taking some heat from that Google thing.
We need to lay low a bit.
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2: Or, look at this.
The NYT is looking to interview a hacker to do an expose.
Super elite Chinese Hacker 1: How'd you find that out?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2: We \_are\_ Super Elite Chinese Hackers, you know.
It even says so in bold to the left.
Super elite Chinese Hacker 1: Shouldn't that be on top, since we're Chinese?
And why are we speaking English?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2: It's Slashdot.
Everything's American.
Look, are you going to argue about how I decorate the fourth wall, or do you want to hear my plan?
Does that ignorant snot of a *ahem* programmer still work at your Uncle's factory?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 1: Cousin Shitface?
Yes.  Why?
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2: Invite him over for dinner in about a week, and tell him to bring his VB.
I'll make sure the NYT are here to see just how scared they should be of 'Chinese hackers' Later...  Tech-Illiterate American In Charge of CyberSecurity Funding: Whoa, that guy's really stupid.
I guess we don't have to worry about the Chinese.
Call off the e-hounds!
Super elite Chinese Hacker 2, Eavesdropping via hacked soundcard: Excellent.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001148</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>dwiget001</author>
	<datestamp>1265105100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>O.K., so he was living with his mom.</p><p>But, if he was also living in his mom's basement, then be on par with a good portion of Slashdot minions.</p><p>If he has also never been laid, and no the new rubber dolls do not count, he would be revered here on Slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>O.K. , so he was living with his mom.But , if he was also living in his mom 's basement , then be on par with a good portion of Slashdot minions.If he has also never been laid , and no the new rubber dolls do not count , he would be revered here on Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>O.K., so he was living with his mom.But, if he was also living in his mom's basement, then be on par with a good portion of Slashdot minions.If he has also never been laid, and no the new rubber dolls do not count, he would be revered here on Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000018</id>
	<title>Re:A real hacker...</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1265143320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That definition is conveniently circular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That definition is conveniently circular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That definition is conveniently circular.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001284</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>nlindstrom</author>
	<datestamp>1265105700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>None of the confusion, and people still respect you as much.</p></div><p>Which is to say, <strong>not at all!</strong></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the confusion , and people still respect you as much.Which is to say , not at all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the confusion, and people still respect you as much.Which is to say, not at all!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002102</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>darkmeridian</author>
	<datestamp>1265110080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Computers for them are a luxury. Computers for us are a necessity. You have a kid in a desolate region smacking your system. If the Internet dies, he loses a form of amusement. If the Internet dies, American business collapses. American systems rely on technical infrastructures that are very vulnerable. You think you can get up and leave your computer? Well, I hope you don't need your lights, which hackers can probably shut down. Or that you don't need traffic lights working to drive home. China is mostly an agrarian society that is used to suffering. We're not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Computers for them are a luxury .
Computers for us are a necessity .
You have a kid in a desolate region smacking your system .
If the Internet dies , he loses a form of amusement .
If the Internet dies , American business collapses .
American systems rely on technical infrastructures that are very vulnerable .
You think you can get up and leave your computer ?
Well , I hope you do n't need your lights , which hackers can probably shut down .
Or that you do n't need traffic lights working to drive home .
China is mostly an agrarian society that is used to suffering .
We 're not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computers for them are a luxury.
Computers for us are a necessity.
You have a kid in a desolate region smacking your system.
If the Internet dies, he loses a form of amusement.
If the Internet dies, American business collapses.
American systems rely on technical infrastructures that are very vulnerable.
You think you can get up and leave your computer?
Well, I hope you don't need your lights, which hackers can probably shut down.
Or that you don't need traffic lights working to drive home.
China is mostly an agrarian society that is used to suffering.
We're not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31004654</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1265125380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My response in general to most of your post is this: sometimes, but not necessarily.</p><p>There's lots of "depends", the biggest being how you define "stealing".  Is it stealing to copy a copyrighted song?  Depends on "fair use" -- unless the song is protected by DRM, in which case it breaks laws.  As a legal technicality it might not be "stealing", but the effect of the laws is to create a de facto property right, so it is de facto stealing.</p><p>It would appear from your argument that stealing is by definition irrational -- either directly by definition (e.g. "stealing is the irrational misappropriation of somebody else's property" or "irrationality is defined as a set of acts of which stealing is one member") or indirectly (e.g. "stealing is misappropriating someone else's property in a way that harms oneself, and harming oneself is irrational).</p><p>Definitions of "stealing" that are tautologically irrational (as opposed to irrational in most commonly encountered circumstances) would seem to me to be contrived.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My response in general to most of your post is this : sometimes , but not necessarily.There 's lots of " depends " , the biggest being how you define " stealing " .
Is it stealing to copy a copyrighted song ?
Depends on " fair use " -- unless the song is protected by DRM , in which case it breaks laws .
As a legal technicality it might not be " stealing " , but the effect of the laws is to create a de facto property right , so it is de facto stealing.It would appear from your argument that stealing is by definition irrational -- either directly by definition ( e.g .
" stealing is the irrational misappropriation of somebody else 's property " or " irrationality is defined as a set of acts of which stealing is one member " ) or indirectly ( e.g .
" stealing is misappropriating someone else 's property in a way that harms oneself , and harming oneself is irrational ) .Definitions of " stealing " that are tautologically irrational ( as opposed to irrational in most commonly encountered circumstances ) would seem to me to be contrived .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My response in general to most of your post is this: sometimes, but not necessarily.There's lots of "depends", the biggest being how you define "stealing".
Is it stealing to copy a copyrighted song?
Depends on "fair use" -- unless the song is protected by DRM, in which case it breaks laws.
As a legal technicality it might not be "stealing", but the effect of the laws is to create a de facto property right, so it is de facto stealing.It would appear from your argument that stealing is by definition irrational -- either directly by definition (e.g.
"stealing is the irrational misappropriation of somebody else's property" or "irrationality is defined as a set of acts of which stealing is one member") or indirectly (e.g.
"stealing is misappropriating someone else's property in a way that harms oneself, and harming oneself is irrational).Definitions of "stealing" that are tautologically irrational (as opposed to irrational in most commonly encountered circumstances) would seem to me to be contrived.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000992</id>
	<title>and again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265104200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'll tell you all it was not the chinese govt<br>thats all im going to ever say<br>and its about as much proof as the "other" side has said.</p><p>case dismissed "i don't know who to believe"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'll tell you all it was not the chinese govtthats all im going to ever sayand its about as much proof as the " other " side has said.case dismissed " i do n't know who to believe "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'll tell you all it was not the chinese govtthats all im going to ever sayand its about as much proof as the "other" side has said.case dismissed "i don't know who to believe"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000392</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265101740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night. </p></div><p>Let me guess:<br>
He has a social security number, pays his taxes, and helps his landlady carry out her garbage.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A chinese guy works a day job , works as a hacker at night .
Let me guess : He has a social security number , pays his taxes , and helps his landlady carry out her garbage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night.
Let me guess:
He has a social security number, pays his taxes, and helps his landlady carry out her garbage.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000686</id>
	<title>Re:A real hacker...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No True Scotsman fallacy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No\_true\_Scotsman" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No\_true\_Scotsman</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>The reality is that tons of hacking is done explicitly FOR bragging rights.  That doesn't make it any less "real" than hacking done for monetary gain, or any other purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No True Scotsman fallacy http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No \ _true \ _Scotsman [ wikipedia.org ] The reality is that tons of hacking is done explicitly FOR bragging rights .
That does n't make it any less " real " than hacking done for monetary gain , or any other purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No True Scotsman fallacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No\_true\_Scotsman [wikipedia.org]The reality is that tons of hacking is done explicitly FOR bragging rights.
That doesn't make it any less "real" than hacking done for monetary gain, or any other purpose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000360</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>ascari</author>
	<datestamp>1265101560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>More like smacking. Of sensationalism.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More like smacking .
Of sensationalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like smacking.
Of sensationalism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999768</id>
	<title>Contact the Sales dept...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For less than $6, one can even purchase the "Hacker's Penetration Manual."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Sure, please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name, Address<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Allow six weeks for delivery.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For less than $ 6 , one can even purchase the " Hacker 's Penetration Manual .
" Sure , please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name , Address ... Allow six weeks for delivery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For less than $6, one can even purchase the "Hacker's Penetration Manual.
"

Sure, please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name, Address ... Allow six weeks for delivery.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000228</id>
	<title>Not if the place you are hacking pays you to do it</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1265144160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not if the place you are hacking pays you to do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not if the place you are hacking pays you to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not if the place you are hacking pays you to do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002050</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>chromakey</author>
	<datestamp>1265109780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker? Where's his money? Where's his grandiose lifestyle?...</p></div><p>He's been buying US Treasury Bills</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this guy living with his mom if he 's such a great and skilled hacker ?
Where 's his money ?
Where 's his grandiose lifestyle ? ...He 's been buying US Treasury Bills</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker?
Where's his money?
Where's his grandiose lifestyle?...He's been buying US Treasury Bills
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002598</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1265113020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker? Where's his money? Where's his grandiose lifestyle? What is he doing with all those computers he's woven into a bot-net? If he's making all that money, why isn't he spending it? </p></div><p> Because it's traditional in Chinese society to live with your parents until you're married.  It's becoming less common as time goes on, but I have several friends in China in their mid-to-late 20s who have good-paying careers but still live with their parents.  It doesn't have the stigma that it has in the west.  And he's probably saving his money up because that's prudent.  Another thing about Chinese culture, prudence doesn't make you "uncool".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this guy living with his mom if he 's such a great and skilled hacker ?
Where 's his money ?
Where 's his grandiose lifestyle ?
What is he doing with all those computers he 's woven into a bot-net ?
If he 's making all that money , why is n't he spending it ?
Because it 's traditional in Chinese society to live with your parents until you 're married .
It 's becoming less common as time goes on , but I have several friends in China in their mid-to-late 20s who have good-paying careers but still live with their parents .
It does n't have the stigma that it has in the west .
And he 's probably saving his money up because that 's prudent .
Another thing about Chinese culture , prudence does n't make you " uncool " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker?
Where's his money?
Where's his grandiose lifestyle?
What is he doing with all those computers he's woven into a bot-net?
If he's making all that money, why isn't he spending it?
Because it's traditional in Chinese society to live with your parents until you're married.
It's becoming less common as time goes on, but I have several friends in China in their mid-to-late 20s who have good-paying careers but still live with their parents.
It doesn't have the stigma that it has in the west.
And he's probably saving his money up because that's prudent.
Another thing about Chinese culture, prudence doesn't make you "uncool".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001418</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265106300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?</i></p><p>China is like the Matrix.  What you are probably not aware of is that the mother, standing silently nearby offering the visiting guests oranges and candies, was not the hacker's mother at all, nor was she even visible to him.  She was a government monitor generated to appear precisely as the visitors would expect her to.  All communications that took place were relayed back to those who take interest in such things.</p><p>Haha.  Just kidding.  Actually, reality can be even stranger than that in China.  People will often tell you seemingly contradictory things (such as claiming that mom knows nothing about it when she's standing right there listening to everything being said) and it's quite deliberate.  What he meant was that his parents must not know anything from an official standpoint.  Hacking may be illegal in China, but it's also some people's government jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers ? China is like the Matrix .
What you are probably not aware of is that the mother , standing silently nearby offering the visiting guests oranges and candies , was not the hacker 's mother at all , nor was she even visible to him .
She was a government monitor generated to appear precisely as the visitors would expect her to .
All communications that took place were relayed back to those who take interest in such things.Haha .
Just kidding .
Actually , reality can be even stranger than that in China .
People will often tell you seemingly contradictory things ( such as claiming that mom knows nothing about it when she 's standing right there listening to everything being said ) and it 's quite deliberate .
What he meant was that his parents must not know anything from an official standpoint .
Hacking may be illegal in China , but it 's also some people 's government jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?China is like the Matrix.
What you are probably not aware of is that the mother, standing silently nearby offering the visiting guests oranges and candies, was not the hacker's mother at all, nor was she even visible to him.
She was a government monitor generated to appear precisely as the visitors would expect her to.
All communications that took place were relayed back to those who take interest in such things.Haha.
Just kidding.
Actually, reality can be even stranger than that in China.
People will often tell you seemingly contradictory things (such as claiming that mom knows nothing about it when she's standing right there listening to everything being said) and it's quite deliberate.
What he meant was that his parents must not know anything from an official standpoint.
Hacking may be illegal in China, but it's also some people's government jobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001976</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265109420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not uncommon in Chinese culture (and in many other non-western cultures) to live with your parents until you get married.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not uncommon in Chinese culture ( and in many other non-western cultures ) to live with your parents until you get married .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not uncommon in Chinese culture (and in many other non-western cultures) to live with your parents until you get married.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31005890</id>
	<title>Being a gamer makes you a hacker?</title>
	<author>Crazy Taco</author>
	<datestamp>1265133180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the article: </p><blockquote><div><p>And with 380 million Web users in China and a sizzling online gaming market, analysts say it is no wonder Chinese youths are so skilled at hacking.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Umm, I attended a major US university and got degrees in computer engineering and computer science. During my senior year, I lived on a dorm floor that was the home of the "computer science learning community", basically where many of the new freshman CS majors elected to live. All of them, every single one, was a gamer, and many were of the stereotypical Dungeons and Dragons, renaissance festival attending, medieval replica weapon carrying, nonbathing comp sci niche. They got into comp sci because they were nerds with very strong interests in gaming, and quickly found out that comp sci was about math and programming, not slacking off playing games. Not one of them it to their sophomore year in computer science (not that no freshman made it, but none of the ones in the learning community did). </p><p>I'm sorry NYT, but you are wrong yet again. Having a bunch of gamers does not mean you have a bunch of hackers. In fact, it probably has an inverse correlation, because those who take the time to really master games like WoW, collecting every item and reaching every level, typically don't have the time to become an expert in how computers actually work. No wonder the NYT is going bankrupt... this is about the same level of accuracy we see in their political and economic stories as well. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the article : And with 380 million Web users in China and a sizzling online gaming market , analysts say it is no wonder Chinese youths are so skilled at hacking .
Umm , I attended a major US university and got degrees in computer engineering and computer science .
During my senior year , I lived on a dorm floor that was the home of the " computer science learning community " , basically where many of the new freshman CS majors elected to live .
All of them , every single one , was a gamer , and many were of the stereotypical Dungeons and Dragons , renaissance festival attending , medieval replica weapon carrying , nonbathing comp sci niche .
They got into comp sci because they were nerds with very strong interests in gaming , and quickly found out that comp sci was about math and programming , not slacking off playing games .
Not one of them it to their sophomore year in computer science ( not that no freshman made it , but none of the ones in the learning community did ) .
I 'm sorry NYT , but you are wrong yet again .
Having a bunch of gamers does not mean you have a bunch of hackers .
In fact , it probably has an inverse correlation , because those who take the time to really master games like WoW , collecting every item and reaching every level , typically do n't have the time to become an expert in how computers actually work .
No wonder the NYT is going bankrupt... this is about the same level of accuracy we see in their political and economic stories as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the article: And with 380 million Web users in China and a sizzling online gaming market, analysts say it is no wonder Chinese youths are so skilled at hacking.
Umm, I attended a major US university and got degrees in computer engineering and computer science.
During my senior year, I lived on a dorm floor that was the home of the "computer science learning community", basically where many of the new freshman CS majors elected to live.
All of them, every single one, was a gamer, and many were of the stereotypical Dungeons and Dragons, renaissance festival attending, medieval replica weapon carrying, nonbathing comp sci niche.
They got into comp sci because they were nerds with very strong interests in gaming, and quickly found out that comp sci was about math and programming, not slacking off playing games.
Not one of them it to their sophomore year in computer science (not that no freshman made it, but none of the ones in the learning community did).
I'm sorry NYT, but you are wrong yet again.
Having a bunch of gamers does not mean you have a bunch of hackers.
In fact, it probably has an inverse correlation, because those who take the time to really master games like WoW, collecting every item and reaching every level, typically don't have the time to become an expert in how computers actually work.
No wonder the NYT is going bankrupt... this is about the same level of accuracy we see in their political and economic stories as well. 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001194</id>
	<title>Re:How to deal with Chinese hackers</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1265105340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPS coordinates:</p><p>38.9522,-77.144752</p><p>:-D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS coordinates : 38.9522,-77.144752 : -D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS coordinates:38.9522,-77.144752:-D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999482</id>
	<title>Lots of content</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1265140980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To sum up the article for those too lazy to read it</p><p>A chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night.  Likes to stay anonymous and take money from people's bank accounts.</p><p>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To sum up the article for those too lazy to read itA chinese guy works a day job , works as a hacker at night .
Likes to stay anonymous and take money from people 's bank accounts.I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To sum up the article for those too lazy to read itA chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night.
Likes to stay anonymous and take money from people's bank accounts.I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999992</id>
	<title>Shocking!</title>
	<author>TSIGabe</author>
	<datestamp>1265143200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>His C# book on his desk that is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>His C # book on his desk that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His C# book on his desk that is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31005792</id>
	<title>He hacks with C#?!</title>
	<author>Crazy Taco</author>
	<datestamp>1265132520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?</p></div></blockquote><p>The fact that one of the few books on this "hackers" desk is a C# book is the surprising part. I wonder how well hacking with C# is working out for him? Lol. Definitely a staged picture. I'm sure it looks good to people who know nothing about computers though. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers ? The fact that one of the few books on this " hackers " desk is a C # book is the surprising part .
I wonder how well hacking with C # is working out for him ?
Lol. Definitely a staged picture .
I 'm sure it looks good to people who know nothing about computers though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the fact that this is a chinese guy is shocking to some new york times readers?The fact that one of the few books on this "hackers" desk is a C# book is the surprising part.
I wonder how well hacking with C# is working out for him?
Lol. Definitely a staged picture.
I'm sure it looks good to people who know nothing about computers though. 
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31006236</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265136180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>wow hang in there! are you suggesting Jews mass media and Chinese are cooperating? Seems like propaganda indeed, frightening.</htmltext>
<tokenext>wow hang in there !
are you suggesting Jews mass media and Chinese are cooperating ?
Seems like propaganda indeed , frightening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow hang in there!
are you suggesting Jews mass media and Chinese are cooperating?
Seems like propaganda indeed, frightening.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001574</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>psithurism</author>
	<datestamp>1265107260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I didn't see anything in the article about hacking.  It all looked like cracking to me.</p></div><p>I know, I bet the lumberjacks are pissed. They want their word back.</p><p>Seriously, hacking has many meanings. So do many words, just deal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't see anything in the article about hacking .
It all looked like cracking to me.I know , I bet the lumberjacks are pissed .
They want their word back.Seriously , hacking has many meanings .
So do many words , just deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't see anything in the article about hacking.
It all looked like cracking to me.I know, I bet the lumberjacks are pissed.
They want their word back.Seriously, hacking has many meanings.
So do many words, just deal.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999576</id>
	<title>How to deal with Chinese hackers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you read the following I'll have to kill you (kindly leave your gps coordinates in my inbox).
<p> Look, its a simple process of elimination. First we coordinate the offender using black-ops satellites circling above the Himalaya. Once the hacker is pin-pointed in his bunker we upload a 'spike' directly to his IP address, which is gained by triangulating his cell phone signature via wi-fi antennas of surrounding Starbucks coffee shops. The 'spike' will immediately disrupt use of his cerebral cortex, thus rendering said malicious and poorly misguided comrade into a defenseless and innocuous teddy bear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you read the following I 'll have to kill you ( kindly leave your gps coordinates in my inbox ) .
Look , its a simple process of elimination .
First we coordinate the offender using black-ops satellites circling above the Himalaya .
Once the hacker is pin-pointed in his bunker we upload a 'spike ' directly to his IP address , which is gained by triangulating his cell phone signature via wi-fi antennas of surrounding Starbucks coffee shops .
The 'spike ' will immediately disrupt use of his cerebral cortex , thus rendering said malicious and poorly misguided comrade into a defenseless and innocuous teddy bear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you read the following I'll have to kill you (kindly leave your gps coordinates in my inbox).
Look, its a simple process of elimination.
First we coordinate the offender using black-ops satellites circling above the Himalaya.
Once the hacker is pin-pointed in his bunker we upload a 'spike' directly to his IP address, which is gained by triangulating his cell phone signature via wi-fi antennas of surrounding Starbucks coffee shops.
The 'spike' will immediately disrupt use of his cerebral cortex, thus rendering said malicious and poorly misguided comrade into a defenseless and innocuous teddy bear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000480</id>
	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Q: where is his money going?<br>A: prossys and massages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : where is his money going ? A : prossys and massages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q: where is his money going?A: prossys and massages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000250</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>blitzkrieg3</author>
	<datestamp>1265144220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Actually, even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Security researchers have identified the attacks against Google to be largely from the <a href="http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/01/researchers-identify-command-servers-behind-google-attack.ars" title="arstechnica.com">Chinese government</a> [arstechnica.com], as were the politically motivated <a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/18/2030230" title="slashdot.org">attacks</a> [slashdot.org] against the Dala Lama and other Tibetan exiles. There is almost no doubt that the majority of the hacking that goes on in China (and elsewhere) is of the sort that TFA reports on, but linking it to the recent attacks on Google and other US government contractors is disingenuous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom , which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government .
Security researchers have identified the attacks against Google to be largely from the Chinese government [ arstechnica.com ] , as were the politically motivated attacks [ slashdot.org ] against the Dala Lama and other Tibetan exiles .
There is almost no doubt that the majority of the hacking that goes on in China ( and elsewhere ) is of the sort that TFA reports on , but linking it to the recent attacks on Google and other US government contractors is disingenuous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government.
Security researchers have identified the attacks against Google to be largely from the Chinese government [arstechnica.com], as were the politically motivated attacks [slashdot.org] against the Dala Lama and other Tibetan exiles.
There is almost no doubt that the majority of the hacking that goes on in China (and elsewhere) is of the sort that TFA reports on, but linking it to the recent attacks on Google and other US government contractors is disingenuous.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000784</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1265103420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was expecting the Chinese hacker to be Russian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was expecting the Chinese hacker to be Russian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was expecting the Chinese hacker to be Russian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999656</id>
	<title>cracking is illegal in any civilized country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>cracking is illegal in any civilized country. I am pretty sure that if he spends nights hacking, Chinese authorities won't put him in jail unless he tries to hack something in order to circumvent their controls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>cracking is illegal in any civilized country .
I am pretty sure that if he spends nights hacking , Chinese authorities wo n't put him in jail unless he tries to hack something in order to circumvent their controls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cracking is illegal in any civilized country.
I am pretty sure that if he spends nights hacking, Chinese authorities won't put him in jail unless he tries to hack something in order to circumvent their controls.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002956</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>fishexe</author>
	<datestamp>1265114820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Actually, even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government...</p></div><p>"Then there are the intelligence-oriented hackers inside the People&rsquo;s Liberation Army," which you'd know if you'd bother to RTFA instead of trolling, "as well as more shadowy groups that are believed to work with the state government." </p><p>'When asked whether hackers work for the government, or the military, he says &ldquo;yes.&rdquo;'</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom , which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government... " Then there are the intelligence-oriented hackers inside the People    s Liberation Army , " which you 'd know if you 'd bother to RTFA instead of trolling , " as well as more shadowy groups that are believed to work with the state government .
" 'When asked whether hackers work for the government , or the military , he says    yes.    '</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government..."Then there are the intelligence-oriented hackers inside the People’s Liberation Army," which you'd know if you'd bother to RTFA instead of trolling, "as well as more shadowy groups that are believed to work with the state government.
" 'When asked whether hackers work for the government, or the military, he says “yes.”'
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000402</id>
	<title>I don't get it</title>
	<author>Xaedalus</author>
	<datestamp>1265101740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker? Where's his money? Where's his grandiose lifestyle? What is he doing with all those computers he's woven into a bot-net? If he's making all that money, why isn't he spending it? </p><p> I wonder if we're making the Chinese Dragon out to be far more fearsome than it actually is. Why exactly should I be afraid of him, and all his Chinese brethren? Yes, they can hack, yes they can start and fight a cyber-war. But I am underwhelmed by their power if all they do is sit there day after day, coding, hacking, "making money", and not doing anything with it. And if they do eventually start and fight a cyber war, then they will end up losing the only medium that gives their life meaning. What happens to these guys when we counter-strike (because I refuse to believe that my fellow Western neckbeards would take a cyber-ass-whuppin' from the Chinese lying down)? When their networks go down and their computers are infected or taken out, what then? I can get up and leave my computer. Can they? </p><p> I'm a naive bumpkin most likely, I just fail to see how these guys are so formidable. Pathetic is more like it, like a boxer with a glass jaw. Their greatest strength is actually their weakness. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this guy living with his mom if he 's such a great and skilled hacker ?
Where 's his money ?
Where 's his grandiose lifestyle ?
What is he doing with all those computers he 's woven into a bot-net ?
If he 's making all that money , why is n't he spending it ?
I wonder if we 're making the Chinese Dragon out to be far more fearsome than it actually is .
Why exactly should I be afraid of him , and all his Chinese brethren ?
Yes , they can hack , yes they can start and fight a cyber-war .
But I am underwhelmed by their power if all they do is sit there day after day , coding , hacking , " making money " , and not doing anything with it .
And if they do eventually start and fight a cyber war , then they will end up losing the only medium that gives their life meaning .
What happens to these guys when we counter-strike ( because I refuse to believe that my fellow Western neckbeards would take a cyber-ass-whuppin ' from the Chinese lying down ) ?
When their networks go down and their computers are infected or taken out , what then ?
I can get up and leave my computer .
Can they ?
I 'm a naive bumpkin most likely , I just fail to see how these guys are so formidable .
Pathetic is more like it , like a boxer with a glass jaw .
Their greatest strength is actually their weakness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Why is this guy living with his mom if he's such a great and skilled hacker?
Where's his money?
Where's his grandiose lifestyle?
What is he doing with all those computers he's woven into a bot-net?
If he's making all that money, why isn't he spending it?
I wonder if we're making the Chinese Dragon out to be far more fearsome than it actually is.
Why exactly should I be afraid of him, and all his Chinese brethren?
Yes, they can hack, yes they can start and fight a cyber-war.
But I am underwhelmed by their power if all they do is sit there day after day, coding, hacking, "making money", and not doing anything with it.
And if they do eventually start and fight a cyber war, then they will end up losing the only medium that gives their life meaning.
What happens to these guys when we counter-strike (because I refuse to believe that my fellow Western neckbeards would take a cyber-ass-whuppin' from the Chinese lying down)?
When their networks go down and their computers are infected or taken out, what then?
I can get up and leave my computer.
Can they?
I'm a naive bumpkin most likely, I just fail to see how these guys are so formidable.
Pathetic is more like it, like a boxer with a glass jaw.
Their greatest strength is actually their weakness. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999728</id>
	<title>Cracker, not Hacker</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>another example of the mainstream not getting it; Hackers are tinkerers, they're good..  Crackers are criminals.  Until the media gets it right, how are we to expect the rest to understand?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>another example of the mainstream not getting it ; Hackers are tinkerers , they 're good.. Crackers are criminals .
Until the media gets it right , how are we to expect the rest to understand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>another example of the mainstream not getting it; Hackers are tinkerers, they're good..  Crackers are criminals.
Until the media gets it right, how are we to expect the rest to understand?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000024</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1265143320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Claiming that they are not to blame because it is "in their nature" is an argument for determinism, which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.</p></div></blockquote><p>

That argument doesn't falsify a thing, just as billiard balls are not proven to exhibit free will simply because the 8 ball falls into the corner pocket while the 3 ball goes off to the left.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Claiming that they are not to blame because it is " in their nature " is an argument for determinism , which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way .
That argument does n't falsify a thing , just as billiard balls are not proven to exhibit free will simply because the 8 ball falls into the corner pocket while the 3 ball goes off to the left .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Claiming that they are not to blame because it is "in their nature" is an argument for determinism, which is easily falsified in this instance by the simple fact that not everyone acts in this way.
That argument doesn't falsify a thing, just as billiard balls are not proven to exhibit free will simply because the 8 ball falls into the corner pocket while the 3 ball goes off to the left.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999776</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31002132</id>
	<title>Re:A real hacker...</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1265110260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hackers are just like other people and they have egos too.  Would you consider publishing something in Phrack bragging?  How about speaking at Defcon, or Black Hat?  The subject of the article did not even allow the journalist to use his real name, and there wasn't any mention of a handle.  Where is the bragging?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hackers are just like other people and they have egos too .
Would you consider publishing something in Phrack bragging ?
How about speaking at Defcon , or Black Hat ?
The subject of the article did not even allow the journalist to use his real name , and there was n't any mention of a handle .
Where is the bragging ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hackers are just like other people and they have egos too.
Would you consider publishing something in Phrack bragging?
How about speaking at Defcon, or Black Hat?
The subject of the article did not even allow the journalist to use his real name, and there wasn't any mention of a handle.
Where is the bragging?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999434</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999458</id>
	<title>In later news....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Chinese authorities shot computer hacker who talked to Western Media.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chinese authorities shot computer hacker who talked to Western Media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chinese authorities shot computer hacker who talked to Western Media.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999434</id>
	<title>A real hacker...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...newer brags<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...you'll never know - ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...newer brags ...you 'll never know - ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...newer brags ...you'll never know - ever.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000112</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone.</i></p><p>Hehehe one time had to go out on a truck with a driver to test some software.  Just as we are about to go out he goes 'oh damn forgot my box'.  Odd thing to do but ok who am I to argue?</p><p>About 4 hours later 'remember that box from this morning?' 'yeah' 'well it is full of rotten chicken.  I never lock the doors takes too much time locking and unlocking em to get my stuff out.  I leave it right at the back where it is easy to get.  Ive only lost the box 3 times.  No one ever goes further in as they want to get away quick.  Oh lock your door and dont get out here they will rob you blind.'</p><p>naaaaaaaaaaasty....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone.Hehehe one time had to go out on a truck with a driver to test some software .
Just as we are about to go out he goes 'oh damn forgot my box' .
Odd thing to do but ok who am I to argue ? About 4 hours later 'remember that box from this morning ?
' 'yeah ' 'well it is full of rotten chicken .
I never lock the doors takes too much time locking and unlocking em to get my stuff out .
I leave it right at the back where it is easy to get .
Ive only lost the box 3 times .
No one ever goes further in as they want to get away quick .
Oh lock your door and dont get out here they will rob you blind .
'naaaaaaaaaaasty... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>expect the back doors to be open and the cargo gone.Hehehe one time had to go out on a truck with a driver to test some software.
Just as we are about to go out he goes 'oh damn forgot my box'.
Odd thing to do but ok who am I to argue?About 4 hours later 'remember that box from this morning?
' 'yeah' 'well it is full of rotten chicken.
I never lock the doors takes too much time locking and unlocking em to get my stuff out.
I leave it right at the back where it is easy to get.
Ive only lost the box 3 times.
No one ever goes further in as they want to get away quick.
Oh lock your door and dont get out here they will rob you blind.
'naaaaaaaaaaasty....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999622</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999762</id>
	<title>Wait, the NYT didn't get hold of this guy on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...IRC? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ" title="youtube.com">Isn't that how hackers talk when they don't want to be overheard?</a> [youtube.com] <br> <br>
I guess the NYT needs to attach a disclaimer to the story, because whenever a journalist tries to interview a "hacker" I can't decide to laugh or cry. Something like this would do nicely:<blockquote><div><p>The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...IRC ?
Is n't that how hackers talk when they do n't want to be overheard ?
[ youtube.com ] I guess the NYT needs to attach a disclaimer to the story , because whenever a journalist tries to interview a " hacker " I ca n't decide to laugh or cry .
Something like this would do nicely : The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood .
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...IRC?
Isn't that how hackers talk when they don't want to be overheard?
[youtube.com]  
I guess the NYT needs to attach a disclaimer to the story, because whenever a journalist tries to interview a "hacker" I can't decide to laugh or cry.
Something like this would do nicely:The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999574</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night.</p></div><p>Wake up, Neo. Welcome to the real world.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A chinese guy works a day job , works as a hacker at night.Wake up , Neo .
Welcome to the real world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A chinese guy works a day job, works as a hacker at night.Wake up, Neo.
Welcome to the real world.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999898</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government to displace America from its "rightful" place of world dominance.  So, yeah, the idea that a lot of it might just be petty white-collar criminals who live with their moms is quite a different phenomenon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom , which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government to displace America from its " rightful " place of world dominance .
So , yeah , the idea that a lot of it might just be petty white-collar criminals who live with their moms is quite a different phenomenon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, even your negative synopsis of the piece flies in the face of conventional wisdom, which is that attacks of Chinese origin are all a carefully orchestrated by the ruthless and scheming Chinese government to displace America from its "rightful" place of world dominance.
So, yeah, the idea that a lot of it might just be petty white-collar criminals who live with their moms is quite a different phenomenon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999482</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999922</id>
	<title>Re:cracking is illegal in any civilized country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265142840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not this bullshit again.

Language changes. Maybe in the 60's, guys working on the PDP-8's liked to call themselves "hackers," and it meant something else. Now, hacker is a negative term. Get the fuck over it.

Have a nice day!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not this bullshit again .
Language changes .
Maybe in the 60 's , guys working on the PDP-8 's liked to call themselves " hackers , " and it meant something else .
Now , hacker is a negative term .
Get the fuck over it .
Have a nice day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not this bullshit again.
Language changes.
Maybe in the 60's, guys working on the PDP-8's liked to call themselves "hackers," and it meant something else.
Now, hacker is a negative term.
Get the fuck over it.
Have a nice day!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999656</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31004176</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective check</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1265122260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Are the thieves the ones to blame - no. Not exactly. The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected.</p></div></blockquote><p>Just because thieves are to be expected and their actions inevitable, by no means does that let them off the hook of responsibility. That would be like some hot chick wearing suggestive clothing while walking down a dark alley and not blame the rapist. No, at the very least she's just dumb.</p><p>No matter the circumstances or inevitability of a situation, we are all *each* held responsible for our own actions. Period.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are the thieves the ones to blame - no .
Not exactly .
The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected.Just because thieves are to be expected and their actions inevitable , by no means does that let them off the hook of responsibility .
That would be like some hot chick wearing suggestive clothing while walking down a dark alley and not blame the rapist .
No , at the very least she 's just dumb.No matter the circumstances or inevitability of a situation , we are all * each * held responsible for our own actions .
Period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are the thieves the ones to blame - no.
Not exactly.
The thieves are not the ones to blame - the thieves are to be expected.Just because thieves are to be expected and their actions inevitable, by no means does that let them off the hook of responsibility.
That would be like some hot chick wearing suggestive clothing while walking down a dark alley and not blame the rapist.
No, at the very least she's just dumb.No matter the circumstances or inevitability of a situation, we are all *each* held responsible for our own actions.
Period.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999648</id>
	<title>this just in!</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1265141640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>hackers exist outside of MIT! Still stealing data, still subverting mainstream culture!
<br> <br>
film at 11!</htmltext>
<tokenext>hackers exist outside of MIT !
Still stealing data , still subverting mainstream culture !
film at 11 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hackers exist outside of MIT!
Still stealing data, still subverting mainstream culture!
film at 11!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000062</id>
	<title>Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265143500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't see anything in the article about hacking.  It all looked like cracking to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't see anything in the article about hacking .
It all looked like cracking to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't see anything in the article about hacking.
It all looked like cracking to me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31000574</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or this piece is a Chinese govenmet sanctioned bit of propaganda. They WANT you to think that it's some individual...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or this piece is a Chinese govenmet sanctioned bit of propaganda .
They WANT you to think that it 's some individual.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or this piece is a Chinese govenmet sanctioned bit of propaganda.
They WANT you to think that it's some individual...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999898</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999404</id>
	<title>Well now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265140680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That article certainly puts a new slant on things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That article certainly puts a new slant on things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That article certainly puts a new slant on things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31004430</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong word?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265124060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you are an idiot ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you are an idiot ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you are an idiot ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999586</id>
	<title>I can't help but ask</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265141340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is kdawson obsessed with China or is kdawson obsessed with a China obsessed NYT?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is kdawson obsessed with China or is kdawson obsessed with a China obsessed NYT ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is kdawson obsessed with China or is kdawson obsessed with a China obsessed NYT?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.31001478</id>
	<title>But, They watched him work!</title>
	<author>VortexCortex</author>
	<datestamp>1265106600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...he showed how he hacked into the Web site of a Chinese company. Once the Web site popped up on his screen, he created additional pages and typed the word &ldquo;hacked&rdquo; onto one of them.</p></div><p>Perhaps the journalist had no idea how web browsers work...</p><p>Perhaps the "hacker" just pressed Ctrl+T then typed:<br><tt>javascript:document.write('&lt;h1&gt;HACKED&lt;/H1&gt;');</tt><br>into the address bar...(try it)</p><p>Point being: The journalist didn't describe "Majia" doing anything that I would consider cracking...  From the description given, Majia could have just been updating his own blog.</p><p>You can add the word "Hacked" to the top of almost any web page (incuding this one) by pasting this into your address bar:<br><tt>javascript:b=document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];b.insertBefore(document.createTextNode('Hacked!'),b.firstChild);void(0);</tt></p><p>Does that make you a hacker?<br>To a NYT Journalist, yes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...he showed how he hacked into the Web site of a Chinese company .
Once the Web site popped up on his screen , he created additional pages and typed the word    hacked    onto one of them.Perhaps the journalist had no idea how web browsers work...Perhaps the " hacker " just pressed Ctrl + T then typed : javascript : document.write ( 'HACKED ' ) ; into the address bar... ( try it ) Point being : The journalist did n't describe " Majia " doing anything that I would consider cracking... From the description given , Majia could have just been updating his own blog.You can add the word " Hacked " to the top of almost any web page ( incuding this one ) by pasting this into your address bar : javascript : b = document.getElementsByTagName ( 'body ' ) [ 0 ] ; b.insertBefore ( document.createTextNode ( 'Hacked !
' ) ,b.firstChild ) ; void ( 0 ) ; Does that make you a hacker ? To a NYT Journalist , yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...he showed how he hacked into the Web site of a Chinese company.
Once the Web site popped up on his screen, he created additional pages and typed the word “hacked” onto one of them.Perhaps the journalist had no idea how web browsers work...Perhaps the "hacker" just pressed Ctrl+T then typed:javascript:document.write('HACKED');into the address bar...(try it)Point being: The journalist didn't describe "Majia" doing anything that I would consider cracking...  From the description given, Majia could have just been updating his own blog.You can add the word "Hacked" to the top of almost any web page (incuding this one) by pasting this into your address bar:javascript:b=document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0];b.insertBefore(document.createTextNode('Hacked!
'),b.firstChild);void(0);Does that make you a hacker?To a NYT Journalist, yes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999944</id>
	<title>Re:Contact the Sales dept...</title>
	<author>The Archon V2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1265142960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>For less than $6, one can even purchase the "Hacker's Penetration Manual."</p></div></blockquote><p>
Sure, please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name, Address<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Allow six weeks for delivery.</p></div><p>I did that. Not a very good book. "Chapter One: Social Engineering." is just six pages of "LOL!" repeated over and over.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For less than $ 6 , one can even purchase the " Hacker 's Penetration Manual .
" Sure , please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name , Address ... Allow six weeks for delivery.I did that .
Not a very good book .
" Chapter One : Social Engineering .
" is just six pages of " LOL !
" repeated over and over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For less than $6, one can even purchase the "Hacker's Penetration Manual.
"
Sure, please enter your Credit or Debit card info along with Name, Address ... Allow six weeks for delivery.I did that.
Not a very good book.
"Chapter One: Social Engineering.
" is just six pages of "LOL!
" repeated over and over.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_186238.30999506</id>
	<title>I say MEH to you sir.  MEH indeed.</title>
	<author>Em Emalb</author>
	<datestamp>1265141040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Harrumph!</p><p>A true 133+ |-|4[|3R would never sit around in their mom's house reppin' kuh-nowledge bout no goog hack.  They'd be too busy climbing out from under the giant pile of soaked panties they'd have thrown at them.</p><p>Dude = fake.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Harrumph ! A true 133 + | - | 4 [ | 3R would never sit around in their mom 's house reppin ' kuh-nowledge bout no goog hack .
They 'd be too busy climbing out from under the giant pile of soaked panties they 'd have thrown at them.Dude = fake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Harrumph!A true 133+ |-|4[|3R would never sit around in their mom's house reppin' kuh-nowledge bout no goog hack.
They'd be too busy climbing out from under the giant pile of soaked panties they'd have thrown at them.Dude = fake.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't get it</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1265110500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone already said it, but in many places around the world, especially china, families tend to live together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone already said it , but in many places around the world , especially china , families tend to live together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone already said it, but in many places around the world, especially china, families tend to live together.</sentencetext>
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