<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_02_1810214</id>
	<title>UMG v. Lindor Ends, No Fees, No Sanctions</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1265098920000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes <i>"The 5-year-old case of <a href="http://beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Documents.htm&amp;s=UMG\_v\_Lindor">UMG Recordings v. Lindor</a> (which we've discussed all those years) has come to a close in Brooklyn, without ever reaching the deposition and document production of MediaSentry. The District Judge <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2010/02/umg-v-lindor-dismissed-without.html">denied the RIAA's motions for discovery sanctions</a> but granted the RIAA's motion for voluntary dismissal without prejudice and without attorneys fees, adopting the <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/10/magistrate-denies-riaa-motion-for.html">report and recommendation of the Magistrate Judge</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes " The 5-year-old case of UMG Recordings v. Lindor ( which we 've discussed all those years ) has come to a close in Brooklyn , without ever reaching the deposition and document production of MediaSentry .
The District Judge denied the RIAA 's motions for discovery sanctions but granted the RIAA 's motion for voluntary dismissal without prejudice and without attorneys fees , adopting the report and recommendation of the Magistrate Judge .
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<sentencetext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The 5-year-old case of UMG Recordings v. Lindor (which we've discussed all those years) has come to a close in Brooklyn, without ever reaching the deposition and document production of MediaSentry.
The District Judge denied the RIAA's motions for discovery sanctions but granted the RIAA's motion for voluntary dismissal without prejudice and without attorneys fees, adopting the report and recommendation of the Magistrate Judge.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001180</id>
	<title>Re:Don't have a case? Litigate them to the poorhou</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, wonder how that slipped past the judge... Oh, look, it didn't.

The Magistrate Judge's piece opined that the case is unlikely to be refiled, and if it were the previous work could be reused.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , wonder how that slipped past the judge... Oh , look , it did n't .
The Magistrate Judge 's piece opined that the case is unlikely to be refiled , and if it were the previous work could be reused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, wonder how that slipped past the judge... Oh, look, it didn't.
The Magistrate Judge's piece opined that the case is unlikely to be refiled, and if it were the previous work could be reused.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001322</id>
	<title>Re:Great.</title>
	<author>kbob88</author>
	<datestamp>1265105880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regarding attorney's fees, from the decision:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>In addition to the defendant's delayed disclosures, Beckerman, defendant's counsel, adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation (albeit the same can be said of plaintiff's counsel). For that reason alone, his request for attorney's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.</p></div><p>Sounds like the judge was pretty annoyed, and is taking his ball and going home.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Regarding attorney 's fees , from the decision : In addition to the defendant 's delayed disclosures , Beckerman , defendant 's counsel , adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation ( albeit the same can be said of plaintiff 's counsel ) .
For that reason alone , his request for attorney 's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.Sounds like the judge was pretty annoyed , and is taking his ball and going home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regarding attorney's fees, from the decision:In addition to the defendant's delayed disclosures, Beckerman, defendant's counsel, adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation (albeit the same can be said of plaintiff's counsel).
For that reason alone, his request for attorney's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.Sounds like the judge was pretty annoyed, and is taking his ball and going home.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000818</id>
	<title>So fighting off the RIAA carries no costs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Other than an attorney bill that you need to sell your kidney for.</p><p>Yeah, that's going to teach the RIAA not to scare people.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Other than an attorney bill that you need to sell your kidney for.Yeah , that 's going to teach the RIAA not to scare people .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other than an attorney bill that you need to sell your kidney for.Yeah, that's going to teach the RIAA not to scare people.
:/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31002078</id>
	<title>Fraud</title>
	<author>billcopc</author>
	<datestamp>1265109960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(abridged version)</p><p>RIAA: I sue you for $xx,xxx,xxx</p><p>Lindor: Ok, here's my attorney.  En garde!</p><p>(many years and several thousand dollars later)</p><p>RIAA: Ok, I was kidding all along.  I didn't really mean to sue you, especially since I have no hope of ever winning.  Let's call the whole thing off.  No hard feelings ?</p><p>Judge: Yeah, Beckerman, quit being such an feisty little prick.  Oh, and btw you can both go fuck yourselves.</p><p>Now I'm not all that well-versed in the letter of the law, but that reeks of fraud.  A frivolous lawsuit gone unpunished is what this is.  I'd dare accuse the judge of collusion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( abridged version ) RIAA : I sue you for $ xx,xxx,xxxLindor : Ok , here 's my attorney .
En garde !
( many years and several thousand dollars later ) RIAA : Ok , I was kidding all along .
I did n't really mean to sue you , especially since I have no hope of ever winning .
Let 's call the whole thing off .
No hard feelings ? Judge : Yeah , Beckerman , quit being such an feisty little prick .
Oh , and btw you can both go fuck yourselves.Now I 'm not all that well-versed in the letter of the law , but that reeks of fraud .
A frivolous lawsuit gone unpunished is what this is .
I 'd dare accuse the judge of collusion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(abridged version)RIAA: I sue you for $xx,xxx,xxxLindor: Ok, here's my attorney.
En garde!
(many years and several thousand dollars later)RIAA: Ok, I was kidding all along.
I didn't really mean to sue you, especially since I have no hope of ever winning.
Let's call the whole thing off.
No hard feelings ?Judge: Yeah, Beckerman, quit being such an feisty little prick.
Oh, and btw you can both go fuck yourselves.Now I'm not all that well-versed in the letter of the law, but that reeks of fraud.
A frivolous lawsuit gone unpunished is what this is.
I'd dare accuse the judge of collusion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001928</id>
	<title>Hrmm</title>
	<author>chazzf</author>
	<datestamp>1265109240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps someone with better knowledge of the case could comment on the substance of the judge's order, which concerns the apparently incorrect testimony given by the defendant. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can recover fees when your own client makes material misrepresentations. I'm surprised that the RIAA's own request for sanctions was denied under the circumstances.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps someone with better knowledge of the case could comment on the substance of the judge 's order , which concerns the apparently incorrect testimony given by the defendant .
I 'm not a lawyer , but I do n't think you can recover fees when your own client makes material misrepresentations .
I 'm surprised that the RIAA 's own request for sanctions was denied under the circumstances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps someone with better knowledge of the case could comment on the substance of the judge's order, which concerns the apparently incorrect testimony given by the defendant.
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you can recover fees when your own client makes material misrepresentations.
I'm surprised that the RIAA's own request for sanctions was denied under the circumstances.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000888</id>
	<title>Re:"Without prejudice, without attorney fees...</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1265103780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  This case shows pretty clearly that if you're a big company with enough money, you can trample all over the rights of the public, break the law flagrantly, and still get off scot-free.  This was anything but a win for the rule of law.  At best, it was a draw.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
This case shows pretty clearly that if you 're a big company with enough money , you can trample all over the rights of the public , break the law flagrantly , and still get off scot-free .
This was anything but a win for the rule of law .
At best , it was a draw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
This case shows pretty clearly that if you're a big company with enough money, you can trample all over the rights of the public, break the law flagrantly, and still get off scot-free.
This was anything but a win for the rule of law.
At best, it was a draw.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31003254</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265116500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone generalizes from a single data point.  At least, I do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone generalizes from a single data point .
At least , I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone generalizes from a single data point.
At least, I do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001232</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001232</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>micheas</author>
	<datestamp>1265105520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The recent history has been to shoot the family of the Judge <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan\_Lefkow" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan\_Lefkow</a> [wikipedia.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p>There is starting to be a realization that civil court is basically out of the reach of the lower 70\% of the US citizenry. and this is starting to strain the fabric of society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The recent history has been to shoot the family of the Judge http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan \ _Lefkow [ wikipedia.org ] .There is starting to be a realization that civil court is basically out of the reach of the lower 70 \ % of the US citizenry .
and this is starting to strain the fabric of society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The recent history has been to shoot the family of the Judge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan\_Lefkow [wikipedia.org] .There is starting to be a realization that civil court is basically out of the reach of the lower 70\% of the US citizenry.
and this is starting to strain the fabric of society.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001208</id>
	<title>Re:Don't have a case? Litigate them to the poorhou</title>
	<author>MyFirstNameIsPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1265105400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And right after that we'll boycott all the Chevron stations for 3 days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And right after that we 'll boycott all the Chevron stations for 3 days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And right after that we'll boycott all the Chevron stations for 3 days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001498</id>
	<title>Re:finally,</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1265106720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sanity on the riaa side? Marginally. Meanwhile attorney fees and the RIAA avoiding precedent are things which are still to be dealt with. Essentially they want to sweep this under the rug, and it's not going to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sanity on the riaa side ?
Marginally. Meanwhile attorney fees and the RIAA avoiding precedent are things which are still to be dealt with .
Essentially they want to sweep this under the rug , and it 's not going to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sanity on the riaa side?
Marginally. Meanwhile attorney fees and the RIAA avoiding precedent are things which are still to be dealt with.
Essentially they want to sweep this under the rug, and it's not going to happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000622</id>
	<title>finally,</title>
	<author>Cowclops</author>
	<datestamp>1265102760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally, sanity prevails. I wonder if this is going to the beginning of the end for RIAA suing its own customers, or if they still have more in the pipeline.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , sanity prevails .
I wonder if this is going to the beginning of the end for RIAA suing its own customers , or if they still have more in the pipeline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, sanity prevails.
I wonder if this is going to the beginning of the end for RIAA suing its own customers, or if they still have more in the pipeline.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31003510</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265117820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While that might be a successful tactic if an <i>individual</i> sues you, it does you no good at all if a corporation sues you. Oposing attorneys are cheap, plentiful, and easily replaced; the corporation itself is immortal. Many people also seem to consider <b>murder</b> unethical... go figure.</p></div><p>Opposing attorneys might not be so cheap, plentiful and easily replaced if your company/organization has a history of 100\% mortality rate of all lawyers hired for the purpose they're hiring you for; there'd definitely be a few desperate attorneys, but most attorneys are intelligent enough to go after a client with a higher rate of return.</p><p>Also, are you implying that while many people consider murder unethical, a corporation wouldn't?</p><p>Food for thought.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While that might be a successful tactic if an individual sues you , it does you no good at all if a corporation sues you .
Oposing attorneys are cheap , plentiful , and easily replaced ; the corporation itself is immortal .
Many people also seem to consider murder unethical... go figure.Opposing attorneys might not be so cheap , plentiful and easily replaced if your company/organization has a history of 100 \ % mortality rate of all lawyers hired for the purpose they 're hiring you for ; there 'd definitely be a few desperate attorneys , but most attorneys are intelligent enough to go after a client with a higher rate of return.Also , are you implying that while many people consider murder unethical , a corporation would n't ? Food for thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While that might be a successful tactic if an individual sues you, it does you no good at all if a corporation sues you.
Oposing attorneys are cheap, plentiful, and easily replaced; the corporation itself is immortal.
Many people also seem to consider murder unethical... go figure.Opposing attorneys might not be so cheap, plentiful and easily replaced if your company/organization has a history of 100\% mortality rate of all lawyers hired for the purpose they're hiring you for; there'd definitely be a few desperate attorneys, but most attorneys are intelligent enough to go after a client with a higher rate of return.Also, are you implying that while many people consider murder unethical, a corporation wouldn't?Food for thought.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31014296</id>
	<title>Re:Great.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264929660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me, that sounds like the Judge talking to Lindor, and going &ldquo;Well, you should just have caved in and payed up! Look, everyone else does it too. Would have been easier.&rdquo;</p><p>What a dick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me , that sounds like the Judge talking to Lindor , and going    Well , you should just have caved in and payed up !
Look , everyone else does it too .
Would have been easier.    What a dick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me, that sounds like the Judge talking to Lindor, and going “Well, you should just have caved in and payed up!
Look, everyone else does it too.
Would have been easier.”What a dick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001230</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265105520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While that might be a successful tactic if an <i>individual</i> sues you, it does you no good at all if a corporation sues you. Oposing attorneys are cheap, plentiful, and easily replaced; the corporation itself is immortal. Many people also seem to consider <b>murder</b> unethical... go figure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While that might be a successful tactic if an individual sues you , it does you no good at all if a corporation sues you .
Oposing attorneys are cheap , plentiful , and easily replaced ; the corporation itself is immortal .
Many people also seem to consider murder unethical... go figure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While that might be a successful tactic if an individual sues you, it does you no good at all if a corporation sues you.
Oposing attorneys are cheap, plentiful, and easily replaced; the corporation itself is immortal.
Many people also seem to consider murder unethical... go figure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31003186</id>
	<title>Re:Don't have a case? Litigate them to the poorhou</title>
	<author>Dhalka226</author>
	<datestamp>1265116140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's probably right; the case is highly unlikely to be refiled.

</p><p>However it is still a bad precedent to allow somebody to file a lawsuit, string it out for five years and then withdraw it and not have to pay the other party for their expenses.  Five years of lawyer fees x1 is better than five years of lawyers fees x2, but only marginally.  A group as well-financed as the RIAA could surely bankrupt people without any bother of actually proceeding to trial and they don't need to continuously re-file the lawsuit to accomplish it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's probably right ; the case is highly unlikely to be refiled .
However it is still a bad precedent to allow somebody to file a lawsuit , string it out for five years and then withdraw it and not have to pay the other party for their expenses .
Five years of lawyer fees x1 is better than five years of lawyers fees x2 , but only marginally .
A group as well-financed as the RIAA could surely bankrupt people without any bother of actually proceeding to trial and they do n't need to continuously re-file the lawsuit to accomplish it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's probably right; the case is highly unlikely to be refiled.
However it is still a bad precedent to allow somebody to file a lawsuit, string it out for five years and then withdraw it and not have to pay the other party for their expenses.
Five years of lawyer fees x1 is better than five years of lawyers fees x2, but only marginally.
A group as well-financed as the RIAA could surely bankrupt people without any bother of actually proceeding to trial and they don't need to continuously re-file the lawsuit to accomplish it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000948</id>
	<title>RIAA</title>
	<author>gooman</author>
	<datestamp>1265104020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quitters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quitters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quitters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001482</id>
	<title>Weird</title>
	<author>jwinster</author>
	<datestamp>1265106600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  Reading the judge's decision, he blames most of the court costs on the fact that the Lindors may have had a houseguest in 2004, and that she sold her computers sometime between 2004 and 2008, which was a loss of evidence for the RIAA.  If they had disclosed their houseguest then a lot of this could have been averted, according to the judge.  Talk about overcompensation for a small discrepancy, you effectively ruin a family because they didn't disclose a houseguest they had for an unknown amount of time.  I am not a lawyer, but that seems like a pretty large case of overkill. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading the judge 's decision , he blames most of the court costs on the fact that the Lindors may have had a houseguest in 2004 , and that she sold her computers sometime between 2004 and 2008 , which was a loss of evidence for the RIAA .
If they had disclosed their houseguest then a lot of this could have been averted , according to the judge .
Talk about overcompensation for a small discrepancy , you effectively ruin a family because they did n't disclose a houseguest they had for an unknown amount of time .
I am not a lawyer , but that seems like a pretty large case of overkill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Reading the judge's decision, he blames most of the court costs on the fact that the Lindors may have had a houseguest in 2004, and that she sold her computers sometime between 2004 and 2008, which was a loss of evidence for the RIAA.
If they had disclosed their houseguest then a lot of this could have been averted, according to the judge.
Talk about overcompensation for a small discrepancy, you effectively ruin a family because they didn't disclose a houseguest they had for an unknown amount of time.
I am not a lawyer, but that seems like a pretty large case of overkill. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000814</id>
	<title>Re:Lindor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Likely you mean Lindt. On the other hand, the Teflon mafiaa "dons" get away <strong>scotch free</strong>.</em></p><p>Likely you meant <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot\_free" title="wikipedia.org">scot free</a> [wikipedia.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Likely you mean Lindt .
On the other hand , the Teflon mafiaa " dons " get away scotch free.Likely you meant scot free [ wikipedia.org ] ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Likely you mean Lindt.
On the other hand, the Teflon mafiaa "dons" get away scotch free.Likely you meant scot free [wikipedia.org] ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31007272</id>
	<title>Re:Great.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264930440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>In addition to the defendant's delayed disclosures, Beckerman, defendant's counsel, adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation (albeit the same can be said of plaintiff's counsel). For that reason alone, his request for attorney's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.</i></p><p>So the judge said, more or less, "Because of the way you acted, you get nothing. But because your opponents acted the same way, I'm letting them get off the hook like they want."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to the defendant 's delayed disclosures , Beckerman , defendant 's counsel , adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation ( albeit the same can be said of plaintiff 's counsel ) .
For that reason alone , his request for attorney 's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.So the judge said , more or less , " Because of the way you acted , you get nothing .
But because your opponents acted the same way , I 'm letting them get off the hook like they want .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to the defendant's delayed disclosures, Beckerman, defendant's counsel, adopted an unduly contentious approach throughout this litigation (albeit the same can be said of plaintiff's counsel).
For that reason alone, his request for attorney's fees and costs is not only denied but is also inappropriate.So the judge said, more or less, "Because of the way you acted, you get nothing.
But because your opponents acted the same way, I'm letting them get off the hook like they want.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001982</id>
	<title>To take a quote from Altered Carbon...</title>
	<author>Xelios</author>
	<datestamp>1265109420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold, and it is theirs. Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin."</p><p>
-Quellcrist Falconer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold , and it is theirs .
Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice ; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin .
" -Quellcrist Falconer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here - it is slow and cold, and it is theirs.
Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin.
"
-Quellcrist Falconer</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000652</id>
	<title>Lindor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265102880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aren't they the people who make tose yummy chocolate candy balls. Is nothing holy to the RIIA??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are n't they the people who make tose yummy chocolate candy balls .
Is nothing holy to the RIIA ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aren't they the people who make tose yummy chocolate candy balls.
Is nothing holy to the RIIA?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31004812</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>rozthepimp</author>
	<datestamp>1265126580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Word on the street is that Matt The Dentist has his own posse/enforcer crew - no one messes with Da Dentist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Word on the street is that Matt The Dentist has his own posse/enforcer crew - no one messes with Da Dentist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Word on the street is that Matt The Dentist has his own posse/enforcer crew - no one messes with Da Dentist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000976</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001200</id>
	<title>Re:Ray...</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1265105400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Acquaint yourself with the wonders of 'ssh -D'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Acquaint yourself with the wonders of 'ssh -D' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acquaint yourself with the wonders of 'ssh -D'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000732</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31003430</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>A Pressbutton</author>
	<datestamp>1265117400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>they knew they would be arrested by the grammar police.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they knew they would be arrested by the grammar police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they knew they would be arrested by the grammar police.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000714</id>
	<title>Re:Lindor</title>
	<author>Bahamut\_Omega</author>
	<datestamp>1265103180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Likely you mean Lindt. On the other hand, the Teflon mafiaa "dons" get away scotch free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Likely you mean Lindt .
On the other hand , the Teflon mafiaa " dons " get away scotch free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Likely you mean Lindt.
On the other hand, the Teflon mafiaa "dons" get away scotch free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31005922</id>
	<title>RIAA Digital Music Price-Fixing Case Reinstated</title>
	<author>DrJimbo</author>
	<datestamp>1265133480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.zeropaid.com/news/87781/riaa-digital-music-price-fixing-case-reinstated/" title="zeropaid.com">
link</a> [zeropaid.com]:<p><div class="quote"><p>Judges note, among other things, that record labels didn't dramatically lower their prices for online music as compared to physical CDs despite the fact that they "experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing" it.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>link [ zeropaid.com ] : Judges note , among other things , that record labels did n't dramatically lower their prices for online music as compared to physical CDs despite the fact that they " experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing " it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
link [zeropaid.com]:Judges note, among other things, that record labels didn't dramatically lower their prices for online music as compared to physical CDs despite the fact that they "experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing" it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000834</id>
	<title>Re:finally,</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1265103600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Short answer?  More in the pipeline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Short answer ?
More in the pipeline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Short answer?
More in the pipeline.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000766</id>
	<title>"Without prejudice, without attorney fees...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps I'm missing something.  Doesn't this mean:<p>
The RIAA can refile if they wish (no prejudice), and</p><p>
Lindor has to pay for his own attorney, UMG is totally off the hook ("no harm, no foul")</p><p>
They were right: government of the people, by the people and for the people - but in the court system, big business rulez!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps I 'm missing something .
Does n't this mean : The RIAA can refile if they wish ( no prejudice ) , and Lindor has to pay for his own attorney , UMG is totally off the hook ( " no harm , no foul " ) They were right : government of the people , by the people and for the people - but in the court system , big business rulez !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps I'm missing something.
Doesn't this mean:
The RIAA can refile if they wish (no prejudice), and
Lindor has to pay for his own attorney, UMG is totally off the hook ("no harm, no foul")
They were right: government of the people, by the people and for the people - but in the court system, big business rulez!</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000696</id>
	<title>Great.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265103120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the case is dropped without requiring attorneys fees, adding to the impression that it may be cheaper to pay the recording industry a settlement than have years of legal battle for nothing beyond not having been required to pay the ridiculous punitive damages.</p><p>a clear win for the RIAA gameplan, if not the widest possible margin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the case is dropped without requiring attorneys fees , adding to the impression that it may be cheaper to pay the recording industry a settlement than have years of legal battle for nothing beyond not having been required to pay the ridiculous punitive damages.a clear win for the RIAA gameplan , if not the widest possible margin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the case is dropped without requiring attorneys fees, adding to the impression that it may be cheaper to pay the recording industry a settlement than have years of legal battle for nothing beyond not having been required to pay the ridiculous punitive damages.a clear win for the RIAA gameplan, if not the widest possible margin.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000732</id>
	<title>Ray...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265103240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish you'd crosspost your blogs in a slashdot journal; I open slashdot while on break, and they have you firewalled off. I'd love to read them but will have to wait until I get home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish you 'd crosspost your blogs in a slashdot journal ; I open slashdot while on break , and they have you firewalled off .
I 'd love to read them but will have to wait until I get home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish you'd crosspost your blogs in a slashdot journal; I open slashdot while on break, and they have you firewalled off.
I'd love to read them but will have to wait until I get home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001070</id>
	<title>Don't have a case? Litigate them to the poorhouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265104620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that a person who couldn't math the virtually infinite funding of the RIAA would lose even if they win, having to defend endlessly against such suits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that a person who could n't math the virtually infinite funding of the RIAA would lose even if they win , having to defend endlessly against such suits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that a person who couldn't math the virtually infinite funding of the RIAA would lose even if they win, having to defend endlessly against such suits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000976</id>
	<title>Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1265104080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm really surprised that with all this potential wrecking of lives, no otherwise-innocent person has simply arranged for a meeting with the accusing attorneys and shot them to death.</p><p>I'm not advocating this, but I'm surprised that no one has snapped in that manner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm really surprised that with all this potential wrecking of lives , no otherwise-innocent person has simply arranged for a meeting with the accusing attorneys and shot them to death.I 'm not advocating this , but I 'm surprised that no one has snapped in that manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm really surprised that with all this potential wrecking of lives, no otherwise-innocent person has simply arranged for a meeting with the accusing attorneys and shot them to death.I'm not advocating this, but I'm surprised that no one has snapped in that manner.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31005152</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>jeffrey.endres</author>
	<datestamp>1265128260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>When justice is not seen to be available to the common people, you can expect revolts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When justice is not seen to be available to the common people , you can expect revolts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When justice is not seen to be available to the common people, you can expect revolts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001232</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31008268</id>
	<title>Re:"Without prejudice, without attorney fees...</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1264942440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IANAL, I am not even an American citizen, but from what I understand, doesn't this decision mean that future similar cases will be a lot faster to judge ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAL , I am not even an American citizen , but from what I understand , does n't this decision mean that future similar cases will be a lot faster to judge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAL, I am not even an American citizen, but from what I understand, doesn't this decision mean that future similar cases will be a lot faster to judge ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000766</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000932</id>
	<title>Re:finally,</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1265103960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see here:  The RIAA has demonstrated that they can roast you slowly in court for years, costing you many thousands in lawyer's fees, and get a dismissal which costs them nothing and allows them to sue you for the exact same thing all over again!  Yep, they're in trouble now...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see here : The RIAA has demonstrated that they can roast you slowly in court for years , costing you many thousands in lawyer 's fees , and get a dismissal which costs them nothing and allows them to sue you for the exact same thing all over again !
Yep , they 're in trouble now.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see here:  The RIAA has demonstrated that they can roast you slowly in court for years, costing you many thousands in lawyer's fees, and get a dismissal which costs them nothing and allows them to sue you for the exact same thing all over again!
Yep, they're in trouble now...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31000622</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001046</id>
	<title>RIAA never had evidence of a "person"</title>
	<author>Dr\_Art</author>
	<datestamp>1265104440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The RIAA's boilerplate says "detected an individual", but they never have any evidence identifying a specific person.  Same thing happened here.  My condolences to Ms. Lindor for the hell she was put through by the RIAA.  Too bad she can't get attorneys fees from the b*stards!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA 's boilerplate says " detected an individual " , but they never have any evidence identifying a specific person .
Same thing happened here .
My condolences to Ms. Lindor for the hell she was put through by the RIAA .
Too bad she ca n't get attorneys fees from the b * stards !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA's boilerplate says "detected an individual", but they never have any evidence identifying a specific person.
Same thing happened here.
My condolences to Ms. Lindor for the hell she was put through by the RIAA.
Too bad she can't get attorneys fees from the b*stards!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1810214.31001456</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised that no violence occurs</title>
	<author>Daniel\_Staal</author>
	<datestamp>1265106420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then they would simply be charged with murder <em>as well</em> as their current charge, and the RIAA et all would simply hire a new attorney.  (While the person has to deal with the trial while being held in jail.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then they would simply be charged with murder as well as their current charge , and the RIAA et all would simply hire a new attorney .
( While the person has to deal with the trial while being held in jail .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then they would simply be charged with murder as well as their current charge, and the RIAA et all would simply hire a new attorney.
(While the person has to deal with the trial while being held in jail.
)</sentencetext>
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