<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_02_1510233</id>
	<title>How Many SUSE Subscriptions Can You Get For $240M?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1265126700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>itwbennett writes <i>"According to an SD Times article, Microsoft is almost through <a href="http://www.sdtimes.com/link/34094">passing out the infamous subscription certificates</a> for SUSE Enterprise Linux that it <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/story/06/11/02/1957252/Microsoft-to-Announce-Linux-Partnership">purchased for $240 million</a> as part of its investment in Novell. According to the article, Microsoft says that 'a total of 475 customers have used an unspecified number of coupons.' Blogger Brian Proffitt calculates that 'if indeed just 475 customers have received these coupons, then Microsoft has essentially subsidized SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) deployments to <a href="http://www.itworld.com/open-source/95009/microsoftnovell-breaking-down-coupon-numbers">an average tune of US$505,263.16 per customer</a>.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>itwbennett writes " According to an SD Times article , Microsoft is almost through passing out the infamous subscription certificates for SUSE Enterprise Linux that it purchased for $ 240 million as part of its investment in Novell .
According to the article , Microsoft says that 'a total of 475 customers have used an unspecified number of coupons .
' Blogger Brian Proffitt calculates that 'if indeed just 475 customers have received these coupons , then Microsoft has essentially subsidized SUSE Linux Enterprise Server ( SLES ) deployments to an average tune of US $ 505,263.16 per customer .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>itwbennett writes "According to an SD Times article, Microsoft is almost through passing out the infamous subscription certificates for SUSE Enterprise Linux that it purchased for $240 million as part of its investment in Novell.
According to the article, Microsoft says that 'a total of 475 customers have used an unspecified number of coupons.
' Blogger Brian Proffitt calculates that 'if indeed just 475 customers have received these coupons, then Microsoft has essentially subsidized SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) deployments to an average tune of US$505,263.16 per customer.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996970</id>
	<title>Re:Bad math alert!</title>
	<author>c0d3g33k</author>
	<datestamp>1265132160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you.  I was myself about to point out the rather "convenient" oversight.  Who needs clear thinking when sensationalism is as stake?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you .
I was myself about to point out the rather " convenient " oversight .
Who needs clear thinking when sensationalism is as stake ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you.
I was myself about to point out the rather "convenient" oversight.
Who needs clear thinking when sensationalism is as stake?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997382</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265133420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least there's only one set of crappy APIs, as opposed to half a dozen conflicting and competing APIs, bloating the install base.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least there 's only one set of crappy APIs , as opposed to half a dozen conflicting and competing APIs , bloating the install base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least there's only one set of crappy APIs, as opposed to half a dozen conflicting and competing APIs, bloating the install base.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30999948</id>
	<title>Re:3.5 years later</title>
	<author>Neil Watson</author>
	<datestamp>1265142960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if those UNIX patents were to fall into other hands through the acquisition of Novell?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if those UNIX patents were to fall into other hands through the acquisition of Novell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if those UNIX patents were to fall into other hands through the acquisition of Novell?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996936</id>
	<title>The numbers are there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you click the links in the slashdot summary, you'll end up at the original announcement, which told you roughly how many subscriptions the deal was for: 70,000.</p><p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116249026689311557-helTbrheLKgbaJ5iO5z40ZFCiOs\_20061109.html?mod=blogs" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116249026689311557-helTbrheLKgbaJ5iO5z40ZFCiOs\_20061109.html?mod=blogs</a> [wsj.com]</p><p>I guess that's not as much fun as wild speculation though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you click the links in the slashdot summary , you 'll end up at the original announcement , which told you roughly how many subscriptions the deal was for : 70,000.http : //online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116249026689311557-helTbrheLKgbaJ5iO5z40ZFCiOs \ _20061109.html ? mod = blogs [ wsj.com ] I guess that 's not as much fun as wild speculation though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you click the links in the slashdot summary, you'll end up at the original announcement, which told you roughly how many subscriptions the deal was for: 70,000.http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116249026689311557-helTbrheLKgbaJ5iO5z40ZFCiOs\_20061109.html?mod=blogs [wsj.com]I guess that's not as much fun as wild speculation though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31070866</id>
	<title>Useful comment?</title>
	<author>Futurepower(R)</author>
	<datestamp>1265724060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Foredecker,

<br> <br>This is a reply to several of your comments, not just this one. It
seems that I have something to say that may or may not be useful in your
thinking.

<br> <br>As you have seen, people are often very negative about Microsoft. They
are also usually not very eloquent or organized in their thinking when they
express their negativity.

<br> <br>There is, however, a strong foundation for their negativity. Microsoft
top managers have in the past been extremely destructive toward Microsoft
customers. For example, Microsoft top managers released Microsoft Vista even
though they were told by middle managers that it was not ready.

<br> <br>It's not the coders that give Microsoft a bad reputation. It is the
top managers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Foredecker , This is a reply to several of your comments , not just this one .
It seems that I have something to say that may or may not be useful in your thinking .
As you have seen , people are often very negative about Microsoft .
They are also usually not very eloquent or organized in their thinking when they express their negativity .
There is , however , a strong foundation for their negativity .
Microsoft top managers have in the past been extremely destructive toward Microsoft customers .
For example , Microsoft top managers released Microsoft Vista even though they were told by middle managers that it was not ready .
It 's not the coders that give Microsoft a bad reputation .
It is the top managers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foredecker,

 This is a reply to several of your comments, not just this one.
It
seems that I have something to say that may or may not be useful in your
thinking.
As you have seen, people are often very negative about Microsoft.
They
are also usually not very eloquent or organized in their thinking when they
express their negativity.
There is, however, a strong foundation for their negativity.
Microsoft
top managers have in the past been extremely destructive toward Microsoft
customers.
For example, Microsoft top managers released Microsoft Vista even
though they were told by middle managers that it was not ready.
It's not the coders that give Microsoft a bad reputation.
It is the
top managers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996782</id>
	<title>Bad math alert!</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1265131440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The total number of clients is not what they seem to think - a client might have 1,000 - 5,000 machines, thus taking hundreds or thousands of certs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The total number of clients is not what they seem to think - a client might have 1,000 - 5,000 machines , thus taking hundreds or thousands of certs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The total number of clients is not what they seem to think - a client might have 1,000 - 5,000 machines, thus taking hundreds or thousands of certs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31001206</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1265105400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks. They had a choice ten years ago, and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let's hope so.</i>
</p><p>10 years ago was nearly the height of Microsoft's "monopoly power", to say nothing of the relatively dismal quality of the alternatives.  Probably the point of least "choice" in the last two decades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks .
They had a choice ten years ago , and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let 's hope so .
10 years ago was nearly the height of Microsoft 's " monopoly power " , to say nothing of the relatively dismal quality of the alternatives .
Probably the point of least " choice " in the last two decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks.
They had a choice ten years ago, and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let's hope so.
10 years ago was nearly the height of Microsoft's "monopoly power", to say nothing of the relatively dismal quality of the alternatives.
Probably the point of least "choice" in the last two decades.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997930</id>
	<title>GPLv3 tries to take advantage of this</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1265135160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GPLv3 tried to take advantage of the coupons to extend MS's patent protection to all users. I wonder how successful that has been.</htmltext>
<tokenext>GPLv3 tried to take advantage of the coupons to extend MS 's patent protection to all users .
I wonder how successful that has been .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPLv3 tried to take advantage of the coupons to extend MS's patent protection to all users.
I wonder how successful that has been.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996862</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Haha! They chose Windows? Only because their PC vendors chose Windows for them.</p><p>Don't underestimate marketing and business deals essentially tying you to some crappy API.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Haha !
They chose Windows ?
Only because their PC vendors chose Windows for them.Do n't underestimate marketing and business deals essentially tying you to some crappy API .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haha!
They chose Windows?
Only because their PC vendors chose Windows for them.Don't underestimate marketing and business deals essentially tying you to some crappy API.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996706</id>
	<title>Keep in mind the extras</title>
	<author>filesiteguy</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't be suprised if - included with the dollar figure - they are adding in Windows 2008, SQL 2008 and other back office products they sell.  Keep in mind, that Microsoft even has Novell at their launch and TechNet events showing off SLES on a server with Win2008 instances (each of which require a license) running in XEN virtual machines.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't be suprised if - included with the dollar figure - they are adding in Windows 2008 , SQL 2008 and other back office products they sell .
Keep in mind , that Microsoft even has Novell at their launch and TechNet events showing off SLES on a server with Win2008 instances ( each of which require a license ) running in XEN virtual machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't be suprised if - included with the dollar figure - they are adding in Windows 2008, SQL 2008 and other back office products they sell.
Keep in mind, that Microsoft even has Novell at their launch and TechNet events showing off SLES on a server with Win2008 instances (each of which require a license) running in XEN virtual machines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996518</id>
	<title>Value of Software</title>
	<author>rwv</author>
	<datestamp>1265130540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this emphasize the fact that Microsoft has no idea about how to properly evaluate the value of any particular software product?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this emphasize the fact that Microsoft has no idea about how to properly evaluate the value of any particular software product ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this emphasize the fact that Microsoft has no idea about how to properly evaluate the value of any particular software product?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997732</id>
	<title>Re:Xcalc?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1265134500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought XCalc was a calculator for the X windowing system.<br>Oh, and if somebody brags with his material stuff, we all know that that&rsquo;s all he has, and *needs* to brag, in order to be able to accept himself. Just like acting all &ldquo;Oh, what time do we have? Wait, I&rsquo;ll just look at my *$30000 ROLEX*&rdquo; will <em>not</em> get you any real girls. (Except for those that you don&rsquo;t want anyway.)<br>No need for you to mention it. We&rsquo;re on your side already.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>By the way: Qalculate! is the best calculator of all time! OF ALL TIME!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought XCalc was a calculator for the X windowing system.Oh , and if somebody brags with his material stuff , we all know that that    s all he has , and * needs * to brag , in order to be able to accept himself .
Just like acting all    Oh , what time do we have ?
Wait , I    ll just look at my * $ 30000 ROLEX *    will not get you any real girls .
( Except for those that you don    t want anyway .
) No need for you to mention it .
We    re on your side already .
: ) By the way : Qalculate !
is the best calculator of all time !
OF ALL TIME !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought XCalc was a calculator for the X windowing system.Oh, and if somebody brags with his material stuff, we all know that that’s all he has, and *needs* to brag, in order to be able to accept himself.
Just like acting all “Oh, what time do we have?
Wait, I’ll just look at my *$30000 ROLEX*” will not get you any real girls.
(Except for those that you don’t want anyway.
)No need for you to mention it.
We’re on your side already.
:)By the way: Qalculate!
is the best calculator of all time!
OF ALL TIME!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997336</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>Lunix Nutcase</author>
	<datestamp>1265133300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, because it's not like they couldn't have easily chosen a Mac if they didn't want Windows, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because it 's not like they could n't have easily chosen a Mac if they did n't want Windows , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because it's not like they couldn't have easily chosen a Mac if they didn't want Windows, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31000310</id>
	<title>opensuse.org = free beta</title>
	<author>Brigadier</author>
	<datestamp>1265101380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that what opensuse really is ?  free beta testers. I've been running suse now since their 6.0 version (switched from redhat because they were the only ones that supported my g200 gfx card). I've always noticed that  Dell Hardware (which we run) ran the 9.0 version while the 10.0 version of opensuse was available. One day I got smart figuring I would download the fully patched 9.0 version of suse being the cheap bastard that I am. Turns out it didn't exist on any mirrors anywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that what opensuse really is ?
free beta testers .
I 've been running suse now since their 6.0 version ( switched from redhat because they were the only ones that supported my g200 gfx card ) .
I 've always noticed that Dell Hardware ( which we run ) ran the 9.0 version while the 10.0 version of opensuse was available .
One day I got smart figuring I would download the fully patched 9.0 version of suse being the cheap bastard that I am .
Turns out it did n't exist on any mirrors anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that what opensuse really is ?
free beta testers.
I've been running suse now since their 6.0 version (switched from redhat because they were the only ones that supported my g200 gfx card).
I've always noticed that  Dell Hardware (which we run) ran the 9.0 version while the 10.0 version of opensuse was available.
One day I got smart figuring I would download the fully patched 9.0 version of suse being the cheap bastard that I am.
Turns out it didn't exist on any mirrors anywhere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996788</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31000110</id>
	<title>Re:3.5 years later</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1265143740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not inconceivable that Novell would be a smoking hole in the ground today if they didn't deal. No, I don't believe it either. Also, from where I'm sitting, Novell already looks like a smoking hole in the ground. Or, at least, <em>some</em> kind of hole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not inconceivable that Novell would be a smoking hole in the ground today if they did n't deal .
No , I do n't believe it either .
Also , from where I 'm sitting , Novell already looks like a smoking hole in the ground .
Or , at least , some kind of hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not inconceivable that Novell would be a smoking hole in the ground today if they didn't deal.
No, I don't believe it either.
Also, from where I'm sitting, Novell already looks like a smoking hole in the ground.
Or, at least, some kind of hole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996686</id>
	<title>In related news...</title>
	<author>Maniacal</author>
	<datestamp>1265131140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft Corporation announced today that customers who deploy their server solutions can save over $400,000 when compared to deploying a solution based on SUSE Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft Corporation announced today that customers who deploy their server solutions can save over $ 400,000 when compared to deploying a solution based on SUSE Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft Corporation announced today that customers who deploy their server solutions can save over $400,000 when compared to deploying a solution based on SUSE Linux.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997754</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>Gerzel</author>
	<datestamp>1265134620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This one case of linux and it is being subsidized ie it is costing the customer LESS than free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This one case of linux and it is being subsidized ie it is costing the customer LESS than free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This one case of linux and it is being subsidized ie it is costing the customer LESS than free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31000288</id>
	<title>Screw marketing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265101260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Marketing and the entire concept behind it is one of the WORST things in the history of the entire planet.</p><p>Their job is essentially to take money from people with slick talk and lies when facts and reality will not sell a product thru legitimate means.</p><p>They rank down there with telemarketing and spammers.  The world WOULD be better off without them.   Theres not even a question about it.  Things would improve greatly across the entire globe if all the marketing people dropped dead instantly and the entire concept became taboo.</p><p>And those who can not see that..  well.  the world would be better off without you too.  Sorry.</p><p>Or in the words of george carlin.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This is called "Advertising Lullaby!"<br>Keeping in mind, of course, that the whole purpose of advertising is to lull you to sleep!</p><p>Quality, value, style, service, selection, convenience, economy, savings, performance, experience, hospitality, low-rates, friendly, service, name brands, easy terms, affordable, prices, money-back guarantee, free installation! Free admission, free appraisal, free alterations, free delivery, free estimates, free home trial!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and free parking! No cash? No problem! No kidding!</p><p>No fuss, no muss, no risk, no obligation, no red tape, no down payment, no entry fee, no hidden charges, no purchase necessary, no one will call on you! no payments of interests till september!</p><p>Limited-time only, though! So act now! Order today! Send no money! Offer good while supplies last...</p><p>Two to a customer, each item sold separately, batteries not included, mileage may vary, all sales are final, allow six weeks for delivery. some items not available, some assembly required, some restrictions may apply!</p><p>So come on in! Come on in for a free demonstration and a free consultation with our friendly professional staff! Our experienced and knowledgeable sales representatives will help you make a selection that's just right for you and just right for your budget! And say! Don't forget to pick up your free gift! A classic, deluxe, custom, designer, luxury, prestige, high-quality, premium, select, gourmet, pocket pencil sharpener...Yours for the asking! No purchase necessary!</p><p>It's our way of saying "Thank you!" And if you act now, we'll include an extra added free complimentary bonus gift! A classic, deluxe, custom, designer, luxury, prestige, high-quality, premium, select, gourmet, combination key-ring, magnifying glass and garden hose!</p><p>In a genuine, imitation leather-style, carrying case with authentic vinyl trim. Yours for the asking! No purchase necessary! It's our way of saying "Thank you!" Actually, it's our way of saying: "Bend over just a little bit further...!" so we can stick this big advertising dick up your ass a little bit deeper!  A little fucking deeper! A little bit deeper! You miserable, no-good, fucking consumer asshole! '</p><p>Cause you do know, folks!  Living in this country, you're bound to know... that every time you are expose to advertising, you realise once again, that America's leading industry, America's most profitable busines is still...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...the manufacture, packaging, distribution, and marketing of bullshit!</p><p>High quality! Grade A! Prime cut,pure American bullshit!</p><p>And the sad part is, is that most people seem to have been indoctrinated to believe that...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...bullshit only comes from certain places!</p></div><p>So i'd like to say...  A big FUCK YOU to all the sales, marketing and other assorted criminal scumbags out there who make a living ripping people off.  Actually criminal isnt even the right word... Criminals admit they are ripping people off.  Marketing assholes will never admit that.</p><p>Bastards.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Marketing and the entire concept behind it is one of the WORST things in the history of the entire planet.Their job is essentially to take money from people with slick talk and lies when facts and reality will not sell a product thru legitimate means.They rank down there with telemarketing and spammers .
The world WOULD be better off without them .
Theres not even a question about it .
Things would improve greatly across the entire globe if all the marketing people dropped dead instantly and the entire concept became taboo.And those who can not see that.. well. the world would be better off without you too .
Sorry.Or in the words of george carlin.This is called " Advertising Lullaby !
" Keeping in mind , of course , that the whole purpose of advertising is to lull you to sleep ! Quality , value , style , service , selection , convenience , economy , savings , performance , experience , hospitality , low-rates , friendly , service , name brands , easy terms , affordable , prices , money-back guarantee , free installation !
Free admission , free appraisal , free alterations , free delivery , free estimates , free home trial !
...and free parking !
No cash ?
No problem !
No kidding ! No fuss , no muss , no risk , no obligation , no red tape , no down payment , no entry fee , no hidden charges , no purchase necessary , no one will call on you !
no payments of interests till september ! Limited-time only , though !
So act now !
Order today !
Send no money !
Offer good while supplies last...Two to a customer , each item sold separately , batteries not included , mileage may vary , all sales are final , allow six weeks for delivery .
some items not available , some assembly required , some restrictions may apply ! So come on in !
Come on in for a free demonstration and a free consultation with our friendly professional staff !
Our experienced and knowledgeable sales representatives will help you make a selection that 's just right for you and just right for your budget !
And say !
Do n't forget to pick up your free gift !
A classic , deluxe , custom , designer , luxury , prestige , high-quality , premium , select , gourmet , pocket pencil sharpener...Yours for the asking !
No purchase necessary ! It 's our way of saying " Thank you !
" And if you act now , we 'll include an extra added free complimentary bonus gift !
A classic , deluxe , custom , designer , luxury , prestige , high-quality , premium , select , gourmet , combination key-ring , magnifying glass and garden hose ! In a genuine , imitation leather-style , carrying case with authentic vinyl trim .
Yours for the asking !
No purchase necessary !
It 's our way of saying " Thank you !
" Actually , it 's our way of saying : " Bend over just a little bit further... !
" so we can stick this big advertising dick up your ass a little bit deeper !
A little fucking deeper !
A little bit deeper !
You miserable , no-good , fucking consumer asshole !
'Cause you do know , folks !
Living in this country , you 're bound to know... that every time you are expose to advertising , you realise once again , that America 's leading industry , America 's most profitable busines is still... ...the manufacture , packaging , distribution , and marketing of bullshit ! High quality !
Grade A !
Prime cut,pure American bullshit ! And the sad part is , is that most people seem to have been indoctrinated to believe that... ...bullshit only comes from certain places ! So i 'd like to say... A big FUCK YOU to all the sales , marketing and other assorted criminal scumbags out there who make a living ripping people off .
Actually criminal isnt even the right word... Criminals admit they are ripping people off .
Marketing assholes will never admit that.Bastards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marketing and the entire concept behind it is one of the WORST things in the history of the entire planet.Their job is essentially to take money from people with slick talk and lies when facts and reality will not sell a product thru legitimate means.They rank down there with telemarketing and spammers.
The world WOULD be better off without them.
Theres not even a question about it.
Things would improve greatly across the entire globe if all the marketing people dropped dead instantly and the entire concept became taboo.And those who can not see that..  well.  the world would be better off without you too.
Sorry.Or in the words of george carlin.This is called "Advertising Lullaby!
"Keeping in mind, of course, that the whole purpose of advertising is to lull you to sleep!Quality, value, style, service, selection, convenience, economy, savings, performance, experience, hospitality, low-rates, friendly, service, name brands, easy terms, affordable, prices, money-back guarantee, free installation!
Free admission, free appraisal, free alterations, free delivery, free estimates, free home trial!
...and free parking!
No cash?
No problem!
No kidding!No fuss, no muss, no risk, no obligation, no red tape, no down payment, no entry fee, no hidden charges, no purchase necessary, no one will call on you!
no payments of interests till september!Limited-time only, though!
So act now!
Order today!
Send no money!
Offer good while supplies last...Two to a customer, each item sold separately, batteries not included, mileage may vary, all sales are final, allow six weeks for delivery.
some items not available, some assembly required, some restrictions may apply!So come on in!
Come on in for a free demonstration and a free consultation with our friendly professional staff!
Our experienced and knowledgeable sales representatives will help you make a selection that's just right for you and just right for your budget!
And say!
Don't forget to pick up your free gift!
A classic, deluxe, custom, designer, luxury, prestige, high-quality, premium, select, gourmet, pocket pencil sharpener...Yours for the asking!
No purchase necessary!It's our way of saying "Thank you!
" And if you act now, we'll include an extra added free complimentary bonus gift!
A classic, deluxe, custom, designer, luxury, prestige, high-quality, premium, select, gourmet, combination key-ring, magnifying glass and garden hose!In a genuine, imitation leather-style, carrying case with authentic vinyl trim.
Yours for the asking!
No purchase necessary!
It's our way of saying "Thank you!
" Actually, it's our way of saying: "Bend over just a little bit further...!
" so we can stick this big advertising dick up your ass a little bit deeper!
A little fucking deeper!
A little bit deeper!
You miserable, no-good, fucking consumer asshole!
'Cause you do know, folks!
Living in this country, you're bound to know... that every time you are expose to advertising, you realise once again, that America's leading industry, America's most profitable busines is still... ...the manufacture, packaging, distribution, and marketing of bullshit!High quality!
Grade A!
Prime cut,pure American bullshit!And the sad part is, is that most people seem to have been indoctrinated to believe that... ...bullshit only comes from certain places!So i'd like to say...  A big FUCK YOU to all the sales, marketing and other assorted criminal scumbags out there who make a living ripping people off.
Actually criminal isnt even the right word... Criminals admit they are ripping people off.
Marketing assholes will never admit that.Bastards.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30998374</id>
	<title>Ill bet</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1265136660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet that one of those customers is that "slashdot" site I've heard about. I've heard they'll do anything for a freebie. What a bunch of MicroSoft fanboy's!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet that one of those customers is that " slashdot " site I 've heard about .
I 've heard they 'll do anything for a freebie .
What a bunch of MicroSoft fanboy 's !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet that one of those customers is that "slashdot" site I've heard about.
I've heard they'll do anything for a freebie.
What a bunch of MicroSoft fanboy's!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31000054</id>
	<title>Re:3.5 years later</title>
	<author>McBeer</author>
	<datestamp>1265143500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Novell stock has lost 30\%</p><p>Microsoft stock has lost 1\%</p><p>Redhat stock has gained 78\%</p></div><p>Stock price probably isn't the best way to demonstrate that a firm is doing well or poorly as it is based largely on speculation.  I like to look at profit per employee.  If you take that metric:</p><p>Microsoft: $156, 656<br>
Novell: - $59,083,<br>
Red Hat: $28,107</p><p>or if you're looking to actually invest in one of these companies, price earnings ratio (smaller is better) is a useful metric:</p><p>Microsoft: 15.63<br>
Novell: N/A<br>
Red Hat:69.37</p><p>So you can see while Red Hat stock price is doing pretty well, Ret Hat itself isn't making a ton of  money.  Though it is beating the pants off Novell for what thats worth...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Good going Novell, yet another stellar business decision.</p></div><p>agreed</p></div>
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<tokenext>Novell stock has lost 30 \ % Microsoft stock has lost 1 \ % Redhat stock has gained 78 \ % Stock price probably is n't the best way to demonstrate that a firm is doing well or poorly as it is based largely on speculation .
I like to look at profit per employee .
If you take that metric : Microsoft : $ 156 , 656 Novell : - $ 59,083 , Red Hat : $ 28,107or if you 're looking to actually invest in one of these companies , price earnings ratio ( smaller is better ) is a useful metric : Microsoft : 15.63 Novell : N/A Red Hat : 69.37So you can see while Red Hat stock price is doing pretty well , Ret Hat itself is n't making a ton of money .
Though it is beating the pants off Novell for what thats worth...Good going Novell , yet another stellar business decision.agreed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Novell stock has lost 30\%Microsoft stock has lost 1\%Redhat stock has gained 78\%Stock price probably isn't the best way to demonstrate that a firm is doing well or poorly as it is based largely on speculation.
I like to look at profit per employee.
If you take that metric:Microsoft: $156, 656
Novell: - $59,083,
Red Hat: $28,107or if you're looking to actually invest in one of these companies, price earnings ratio (smaller is better) is a useful metric:Microsoft: 15.63
Novell: N/A
Red Hat:69.37So you can see while Red Hat stock price is doing pretty well, Ret Hat itself isn't making a ton of  money.
Though it is beating the pants off Novell for what thats worth...Good going Novell, yet another stellar business decision.agreed
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996506</id>
	<title>Free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265130480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't want to hear any more about how Linux is supposedly free!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to hear any more about how Linux is supposedly free !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to hear any more about how Linux is supposedly free!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996734</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft hounds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People have &quot;moral qualms&quot; against marketing? Do you? really? What the heck is wrong with marketing? I suppose you dont like lots of things then. Are you going to level your criticisms at all companies that engage in marketing? How about the company you work for? Do they do marketing? </p><p>Next, you mention &quot;stupidity&quot;. Thats a great word to throw around.... can you be a bit more specific? Its easy to call someting stupid. Its harder to say why.... come on, spend a little time on it. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People have " moral qualms " against marketing ?
Do you ?
really ? What the heck is wrong with marketing ?
I suppose you dont like lots of things then .
Are you going to level your criticisms at all companies that engage in marketing ?
How about the company you work for ?
Do they do marketing ?
Next , you mention " stupidity " .
Thats a great word to throw around.... can you be a bit more specific ?
Its easy to call someting stupid .
Its harder to say why.... come on , spend a little time on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have "moral qualms" against marketing?
Do you?
really? What the heck is wrong with marketing?
I suppose you dont like lots of things then.
Are you going to level your criticisms at all companies that engage in marketing?
How about the company you work for?
Do they do marketing?
Next, you mention "stupidity".
Thats a great word to throw around.... can you be a bit more specific?
Its easy to call someting stupid.
Its harder to say why.... come on, spend a little time on it. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30998924</id>
	<title>Just see it for what it is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265138760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... which is a competitive curve ball against Red Hat. Period.

Red Hat's profitable income is heavily concentrated in relatively few major volume accounts, served direct (not by resellers). So, all Microsoft are doing is cross funding Novell to try to take the average unit prices down significantly in those accounts, as part of a strategy to undermine Red Hat's business model in some way. If you follow the reporting line of the folks doing the joint selling, it maps back through MS Legal and Corporate Affairs. That said, it seems to generate more PR than pain to Red Hats business results. To date at least. Fascinating to watch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... which is a competitive curve ball against Red Hat .
Period . Red Hat 's profitable income is heavily concentrated in relatively few major volume accounts , served direct ( not by resellers ) .
So , all Microsoft are doing is cross funding Novell to try to take the average unit prices down significantly in those accounts , as part of a strategy to undermine Red Hat 's business model in some way .
If you follow the reporting line of the folks doing the joint selling , it maps back through MS Legal and Corporate Affairs .
That said , it seems to generate more PR than pain to Red Hats business results .
To date at least .
Fascinating to watch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... which is a competitive curve ball against Red Hat.
Period.

Red Hat's profitable income is heavily concentrated in relatively few major volume accounts, served direct (not by resellers).
So, all Microsoft are doing is cross funding Novell to try to take the average unit prices down significantly in those accounts, as part of a strategy to undermine Red Hat's business model in some way.
If you follow the reporting line of the folks doing the joint selling, it maps back through MS Legal and Corporate Affairs.
That said, it seems to generate more PR than pain to Red Hats business results.
To date at least.
Fascinating to watch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31001820</id>
	<title>documenting those deals on http://en.swpat.org</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1265108580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I've just started a wiki page to document the Novell-MS deals :</p><ul><li> <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Novell-Microsoft\_patent\_deals" title="swpat.org">Novell-Microsoft patent deals</a> [swpat.org] </li><li> <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Novell" title="swpat.org">Novell</a> [swpat.org] </li><li> <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Microsoft" title="swpat.org">Microsoft</a> [swpat.org] </li></ul><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, so if you'd like to contribute to building the case against software patents, dig in!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    I 've just started a wiki page to document the Novell-MS deals : Novell-Microsoft patent deals [ swpat.org ] Novell [ swpat.org ] Microsoft [ swpat.org ]     swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki , so if you 'd like to contribute to building the case against software patents , dig in !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    I've just started a wiki page to document the Novell-MS deals : Novell-Microsoft patent deals [swpat.org]  Novell [swpat.org]  Microsoft [swpat.org] 
    swpat.org is a publicly editable wiki, so if you'd like to contribute to building the case against software patents, dig in!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997076</id>
	<title>oblig with a twist.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265132460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Blog.<br>2. ???<br>3. Proffitt!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Blog.2. ? ? ? 3 .
Proffitt !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Blog.2. ???3.
Proffitt!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997412</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>koiransuklaa</author>
	<datestamp>1265133540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your posts are usually insightful and this one is on the whole no exception. However, I have to comment on the <i>"The[y] could just have just as easily chosen Linux"</i>: that statement totally forgets the monopolies Microsoft has been able to build in the last fifteen years (legally or otherwise) and the "traps" that were built on top of those monopolies. Most operating system customers \_cannot\_ choose non-MS products, and that is not just because the competing products themselves aren't good.</p><p>The OS and document format monopoly, the IE-trap that many companies unknowingly stepped into ten years ago and the well documented anti-interoperability stance that seemed to be the M.O. at Microsoft for some time... These things may not be illegal (although I expect they may be in combination) but I have no problem calling them immoral.</p><p>In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks. They had a choice ten years ago, and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let's hope so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your posts are usually insightful and this one is on the whole no exception .
However , I have to comment on the " The [ y ] could just have just as easily chosen Linux " : that statement totally forgets the monopolies Microsoft has been able to build in the last fifteen years ( legally or otherwise ) and the " traps " that were built on top of those monopolies .
Most operating system customers \ _cannot \ _ choose non-MS products , and that is not just because the competing products themselves are n't good.The OS and document format monopoly , the IE-trap that many companies unknowingly stepped into ten years ago and the well documented anti-interoperability stance that seemed to be the M.O .
at Microsoft for some time... These things may not be illegal ( although I expect they may be in combination ) but I have no problem calling them immoral.In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks .
They had a choice ten years ago , and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let 's hope so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your posts are usually insightful and this one is on the whole no exception.
However, I have to comment on the "The[y] could just have just as easily chosen Linux": that statement totally forgets the monopolies Microsoft has been able to build in the last fifteen years (legally or otherwise) and the "traps" that were built on top of those monopolies.
Most operating system customers \_cannot\_ choose non-MS products, and that is not just because the competing products themselves aren't good.The OS and document format monopoly, the IE-trap that many companies unknowingly stepped into ten years ago and the well documented anti-interoperability stance that seemed to be the M.O.
at Microsoft for some time... These things may not be illegal (although I expect they may be in combination) but I have no problem calling them immoral.In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks.
They had a choice ten years ago, and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let's hope so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997902</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>TangoMargarine</author>
	<datestamp>1265135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems like it would be an apt label, as Novell apparently has some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell#Agreement\_with\_Microsoft" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">patent agreement</a> [wikipedia.org] with Microsoft. And SCO, which did that whole "Linux is infringing patents" thing, bought DR-DOS from Novell and is working with SUSE (Novell) on some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO\_Group#Caldera\_Systems" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">standardization of Linux</a> [wikipedia.org], which sounds like a terrific proprietary-profit-bastard idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like it would be an apt label , as Novell apparently has some patent agreement [ wikipedia.org ] with Microsoft .
And SCO , which did that whole " Linux is infringing patents " thing , bought DR-DOS from Novell and is working with SUSE ( Novell ) on some standardization of Linux [ wikipedia.org ] , which sounds like a terrific proprietary-profit-bastard idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like it would be an apt label, as Novell apparently has some patent agreement [wikipedia.org] with Microsoft.
And SCO, which did that whole "Linux is infringing patents" thing, bought DR-DOS from Novell and is working with SUSE (Novell) on some standardization of Linux [wikipedia.org], which sounds like a terrific proprietary-profit-bastard idea.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997202</id>
	<title>Re:Xcalc?</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1265132880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Was that before or after jumping into his Ferrari and flashing his iPhone? Why do people need to display their smug superiority from the unwashed masses when any decent calculator would give the same result?
</i>
<br>
<br>
Nonsense, my calculator made of rich mahogany and fine corinthian leather is far more accurate than your lower-class calculator.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was that before or after jumping into his Ferrari and flashing his iPhone ?
Why do people need to display their smug superiority from the unwashed masses when any decent calculator would give the same result ?
Nonsense , my calculator made of rich mahogany and fine corinthian leather is far more accurate than your lower-class calculator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was that before or after jumping into his Ferrari and flashing his iPhone?
Why do people need to display their smug superiority from the unwashed masses when any decent calculator would give the same result?
Nonsense, my calculator made of rich mahogany and fine corinthian leather is far more accurate than your lower-class calculator.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997402</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1265133480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>M$? Everyone knows that &pound;oo&pound;l&euro; are the new evil empire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>M $ ?
Everyone knows that   oo   l    are the new evil empire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>M$?
Everyone knows that £oo£l€ are the new evil empire.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31002070</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>Gr8Apes</author>
	<datestamp>1265109900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks. They had a choice ten years ago, and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let's hope so.</p></div><p>Customers do have choices. The integration/cross-system compatibility has been significantly enhanced for both Linux/BSD and Macs with Windows office formats recently (so they don't speak fluent docx, neither does several 100 million earlier copies of Office).</p><p>As for the IE trap - when you take a shortcut you can get burned. Rather than develop to webstandards, they drank the MS coolaid, took the shortcut, and are now hosed.</p><p>As for MS's "sparkling" Q4, the initial reports I've seen indicate that W7 sales are coming at the expense of XP and earlier installations. In other words, they're replacements, not growth, in a growing market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks .
They had a choice ten years ago , and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let 's hope so.Customers do have choices .
The integration/cross-system compatibility has been significantly enhanced for both Linux/BSD and Macs with Windows office formats recently ( so they do n't speak fluent docx , neither does several 100 million earlier copies of Office ) .As for the IE trap - when you take a shortcut you can get burned .
Rather than develop to webstandards , they drank the MS coolaid , took the shortcut , and are now hosed.As for MS 's " sparkling " Q4 , the initial reports I 've seen indicate that W7 sales are coming at the expense of XP and earlier installations .
In other words , they 're replacements , not growth , in a growing market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In any case saying that customers have a choice is bollocks.
They had a choice ten years ago, and hopefully will again after five or ten years... Let's hope so.Customers do have choices.
The integration/cross-system compatibility has been significantly enhanced for both Linux/BSD and Macs with Windows office formats recently (so they don't speak fluent docx, neither does several 100 million earlier copies of Office).As for the IE trap - when you take a shortcut you can get burned.
Rather than develop to webstandards, they drank the MS coolaid, took the shortcut, and are now hosed.As for MS's "sparkling" Q4, the initial reports I've seen indicate that W7 sales are coming at the expense of XP and earlier installations.
In other words, they're replacements, not growth, in a growing market.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31000452</id>
	<title>What is going to happen in 2011?</title>
	<author>fritsd</author>
	<datestamp>1265101920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder what's going to happen in 2011, when the Novell-Microsoft "agreement not to sue on the valuable Microsoft intellectual property" patent agreement runs out.
<br>
To be honest, I haven't the faintest idea what will happen to Novell's customers. If I screw my tin-foil hat on tighter, I'd guess that Microsoft would start to rumble about customers with Mono to have to pay royalties. After all, the agreement's duration was long enough for Mono to have caught on in mission-critical software, surely there's profit to be made there by next year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what 's going to happen in 2011 , when the Novell-Microsoft " agreement not to sue on the valuable Microsoft intellectual property " patent agreement runs out .
To be honest , I have n't the faintest idea what will happen to Novell 's customers .
If I screw my tin-foil hat on tighter , I 'd guess that Microsoft would start to rumble about customers with Mono to have to pay royalties .
After all , the agreement 's duration was long enough for Mono to have caught on in mission-critical software , surely there 's profit to be made there by next year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what's going to happen in 2011, when the Novell-Microsoft "agreement not to sue on the valuable Microsoft intellectual property" patent agreement runs out.
To be honest, I haven't the faintest idea what will happen to Novell's customers.
If I screw my tin-foil hat on tighter, I'd guess that Microsoft would start to rumble about customers with Mono to have to pay royalties.
After all, the agreement's duration was long enough for Mono to have caught on in mission-critical software, surely there's profit to be made there by next year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996754</id>
	<title>Xcalc?</title>
	<author>mystikkman</author>
	<datestamp>1265131380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This struck me as a very interesting figure, because <b>after firing up XCalc</b>, I figured out that if indeed...</p></div><p>Was that before or after jumping into his Ferrari and flashing his iPhone? Why do people need to display their smug superiority from the unwashed masses when any decent calculator would give the same result?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This struck me as a very interesting figure , because after firing up XCalc , I figured out that if indeed...Was that before or after jumping into his Ferrari and flashing his iPhone ?
Why do people need to display their smug superiority from the unwashed masses when any decent calculator would give the same result ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This struck me as a very interesting figure, because after firing up XCalc, I figured out that if indeed...Was that before or after jumping into his Ferrari and flashing his iPhone?
Why do people need to display their smug superiority from the unwashed masses when any decent calculator would give the same result?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30998526</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>jabbathewocket</author>
	<datestamp>1265137140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ehh thats whats wrong with this entire debate.. OMG  is spreading FUD and trying to keep the good team down... When in actual point of fact, the linux side of this has ALWAYS used FUD, and played the classic role of "victim" in all of these arguments..
<br> <br>
There is just one major problem with this view of the world of OS monopolies, its simply and utterly false.. If a shop had chosen linux 10 years ago, they would be JUST as locked in and forced to continue to use Linux as they are "forced" to continue to use MS products..
<br> <br>
In short the lock in is because of scale, difficulty of switching from A to B for what is most likely negligible gain (or a net cost.. free software is most definitely NOT free in the real world of help desks, installs, and support) and other factors that are completely unrelated to WHICH platform your company is currently using.
<br> <br>
IE linux community members tend to cry foul in the same way that opera software does.. which results in the sane folks of the world dismissing them as lunatic fringe, rather than trying to compete on merits, they try to play victim.. If the linux community would actually come together and stop trying to make a vanity distro every 60 secs, standardize a desktop, and actually pay some attention to the fact that regardless of which choice is the dominant one at the time, its the role of the "alternate' choice to work with the dominate choice.. not the other way around (in any and all business not just operating systems) then perhaps we wouldn't be sitting her crying about MS, and instead would be choosing the right tool for the job.  Not trying to treat everything as a political game..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ehh thats whats wrong with this entire debate.. OMG is spreading FUD and trying to keep the good team down... When in actual point of fact , the linux side of this has ALWAYS used FUD , and played the classic role of " victim " in all of these arguments. . There is just one major problem with this view of the world of OS monopolies , its simply and utterly false.. If a shop had chosen linux 10 years ago , they would be JUST as locked in and forced to continue to use Linux as they are " forced " to continue to use MS products. . In short the lock in is because of scale , difficulty of switching from A to B for what is most likely negligible gain ( or a net cost.. free software is most definitely NOT free in the real world of help desks , installs , and support ) and other factors that are completely unrelated to WHICH platform your company is currently using .
IE linux community members tend to cry foul in the same way that opera software does.. which results in the sane folks of the world dismissing them as lunatic fringe , rather than trying to compete on merits , they try to play victim.. If the linux community would actually come together and stop trying to make a vanity distro every 60 secs , standardize a desktop , and actually pay some attention to the fact that regardless of which choice is the dominant one at the time , its the role of the " alternate ' choice to work with the dominate choice.. not the other way around ( in any and all business not just operating systems ) then perhaps we would n't be sitting her crying about MS , and instead would be choosing the right tool for the job .
Not trying to treat everything as a political game. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ehh thats whats wrong with this entire debate.. OMG  is spreading FUD and trying to keep the good team down... When in actual point of fact, the linux side of this has ALWAYS used FUD, and played the classic role of "victim" in all of these arguments..
 
There is just one major problem with this view of the world of OS monopolies, its simply and utterly false.. If a shop had chosen linux 10 years ago, they would be JUST as locked in and forced to continue to use Linux as they are "forced" to continue to use MS products..
 
In short the lock in is because of scale, difficulty of switching from A to B for what is most likely negligible gain (or a net cost.. free software is most definitely NOT free in the real world of help desks, installs, and support) and other factors that are completely unrelated to WHICH platform your company is currently using.
IE linux community members tend to cry foul in the same way that opera software does.. which results in the sane folks of the world dismissing them as lunatic fringe, rather than trying to compete on merits, they try to play victim.. If the linux community would actually come together and stop trying to make a vanity distro every 60 secs, standardize a desktop, and actually pay some attention to the fact that regardless of which choice is the dominant one at the time, its the role of the "alternate' choice to work with the dominate choice.. not the other way around (in any and all business not just operating systems) then perhaps we wouldn't be sitting her crying about MS, and instead would be choosing the right tool for the job.
Not trying to treat everything as a political game..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30999856</id>
	<title>Immoral</title>
	<author>microbox</author>
	<datestamp>1265142600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; What the heck is wrong with marketing?

Doing <a href="http://www.thecorporation.com/" title="thecorporation.com">scientific research into how to make children more effective naggers</a> [thecorporation.com] is plain immoral.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; What the heck is wrong with marketing ?
Doing scientific research into how to make children more effective naggers [ thecorporation.com ] is plain immoral .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; What the heck is wrong with marketing?
Doing scientific research into how to make children more effective naggers [thecorporation.com] is plain immoral.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996722</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>Maniacal</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I think we should all write the name SUSE as "$U$E" to make up for the way we've been unfairly referring to "M$" all these years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I think we should all write the name SUSE as " $ U $ E " to make up for the way we 've been unfairly referring to " M $ " all these years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I think we should all write the name SUSE as "$U$E" to make up for the way we've been unfairly referring to "M$" all these years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996646</id>
	<title>Re:Value of Software</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265130900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Relay?  how do you figure?  That's a pretty big statement to make.  Can you back it up with anything other than hand waving?   We just had a spectacular quarter.  A lot of that is attributed to <b>selling</b> Windows 7.  Looks like we did a pretty good job of evaluating value there...  Note that a lot of these sales were upgrades where people <b>chose to buy</b>.  The could just have just as easily chosen Linux.  They didn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Relay ?
how do you figure ?
That 's a pretty big statement to make .
Can you back it up with anything other than hand waving ?
We just had a spectacular quarter .
A lot of that is attributed to selling Windows 7 .
Looks like we did a pretty good job of evaluating value there... Note that a lot of these sales were upgrades where people chose to buy .
The could just have just as easily chosen Linux .
They did n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Relay?
how do you figure?
That's a pretty big statement to make.
Can you back it up with anything other than hand waving?
We just had a spectacular quarter.
A lot of that is attributed to selling Windows 7.
Looks like we did a pretty good job of evaluating value there...  Note that a lot of these sales were upgrades where people chose to buy.
The could just have just as easily chosen Linux.
They didn't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31002832</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265114340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, when did Slashdot finally upgrade to 8-bit ascii? I can write &euro; now? Welcome to the 1990s!</p><p>No Kanji, so still no UTF-8 I presume...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , when did Slashdot finally upgrade to 8-bit ascii ?
I can write    now ?
Welcome to the 1990s ! No Kanji , so still no UTF-8 I presume.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, when did Slashdot finally upgrade to 8-bit ascii?
I can write € now?
Welcome to the 1990s!No Kanji, so still no UTF-8 I presume...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996730</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft hounds</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1265131260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Microsoft shills will mod you "flamebait" for your funny comment, Mr. Neal!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Microsoft shills will mod you " flamebait " for your funny comment , Mr. Neal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Microsoft shills will mod you "flamebait" for your funny comment, Mr. Neal!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997292</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft hounds</title>
	<author>notque</author>
	<datestamp>1265133180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Marketing was created as a systematic way of lying to people. Marketing not only shows a contempt for Democracy (Marketing for candidates), but contempt for Markets (which are supposed to work with "perfect information", the very thing marketing avoids.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Marketing was created as a systematic way of lying to people .
Marketing not only shows a contempt for Democracy ( Marketing for candidates ) , but contempt for Markets ( which are supposed to work with " perfect information " , the very thing marketing avoids .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Marketing was created as a systematic way of lying to people.
Marketing not only shows a contempt for Democracy (Marketing for candidates), but contempt for Markets (which are supposed to work with "perfect information", the very thing marketing avoids.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30999400</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1265140680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, you have the money to run Oracle and choose to use an unsupported OS? RHEL and Oracle's version of RHEL are both supported and don't cost much at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , you have the money to run Oracle and choose to use an unsupported OS ?
RHEL and Oracle 's version of RHEL are both supported and do n't cost much at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, you have the money to run Oracle and choose to use an unsupported OS?
RHEL and Oracle's version of RHEL are both supported and don't cost much at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31010356</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft hounds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264956060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Markets do not depend on "perfect information"  In fact, "information" is a product itself, with varying levels of quality, just like anything else.  Moreover, what you pay for it is not an indicator of its quality, although wrong information put out for the purpose of influencing your decisions is almost will often be given free of charge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Markets do not depend on " perfect information " In fact , " information " is a product itself , with varying levels of quality , just like anything else .
Moreover , what you pay for it is not an indicator of its quality , although wrong information put out for the purpose of influencing your decisions is almost will often be given free of charge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Markets do not depend on "perfect information"  In fact, "information" is a product itself, with varying levels of quality, just like anything else.
Moreover, what you pay for it is not an indicator of its quality, although wrong information put out for the purpose of influencing your decisions is almost will often be given free of charge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30998128</id>
	<title>3.5 years later</title>
	<author>neurovish</author>
	<datestamp>1265135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Novell stock has lost 30\%</p><p>Microsoft stock has lost 1\%</p><p>Redhat stock has gained 78\%</p><p>Good going Novell, yet another stellar business decision.  The $240mil had to have been the value of the entire deal, which was mostly beneficial to Microsoft in that they weren't going to be sued by Novell since Novell owns a lot of the UNIX patents.  The licenses were being resold by Microsoft at prices substantially less than ($240/77)x1000</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Novell stock has lost 30 \ % Microsoft stock has lost 1 \ % Redhat stock has gained 78 \ % Good going Novell , yet another stellar business decision .
The $ 240mil had to have been the value of the entire deal , which was mostly beneficial to Microsoft in that they were n't going to be sued by Novell since Novell owns a lot of the UNIX patents .
The licenses were being resold by Microsoft at prices substantially less than ( $ 240/77 ) x1000</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Novell stock has lost 30\%Microsoft stock has lost 1\%Redhat stock has gained 78\%Good going Novell, yet another stellar business decision.
The $240mil had to have been the value of the entire deal, which was mostly beneficial to Microsoft in that they weren't going to be sued by Novell since Novell owns a lot of the UNIX patents.
The licenses were being resold by Microsoft at prices substantially less than ($240/77)x1000</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996594</id>
	<title>Why even bother with the money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265130780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Select this link: <a href="http://software.opensuse.org/112/en" title="opensuse.org" rel="nofollow">http://software.opensuse.org/112/en</a> [opensuse.org] I just saved you anywhere from $0 for 0 servers to $INF for INF servers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Select this link : http : //software.opensuse.org/112/en [ opensuse.org ] I just saved you anywhere from $ 0 for 0 servers to $ INF for INF servers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Select this link: http://software.opensuse.org/112/en [opensuse.org] I just saved you anywhere from $0 for 0 servers to $INF for INF servers!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996522</id>
	<title>Microsoft hounds</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1265130540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft has a special hounds training program. They train them to smell a very subtle scent that exist only when wealth and stupidity is mixed. They call this program "marketing". Open source sellers have moral qualms about it and prefer to solve stupidity which they see as a core problem. Guess who is making money ?<br> <br>
Now the important question : am I trollish, insighful, funny or CowboyNeal ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft has a special hounds training program .
They train them to smell a very subtle scent that exist only when wealth and stupidity is mixed .
They call this program " marketing " .
Open source sellers have moral qualms about it and prefer to solve stupidity which they see as a core problem .
Guess who is making money ?
Now the important question : am I trollish , insighful , funny or CowboyNeal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft has a special hounds training program.
They train them to smell a very subtle scent that exist only when wealth and stupidity is mixed.
They call this program "marketing".
Open source sellers have moral qualms about it and prefer to solve stupidity which they see as a core problem.
Guess who is making money ?
Now the important question : am I trollish, insighful, funny or CowboyNeal ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.31000448</id>
	<title>Deliberately Negative Assumptions?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265101920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the super anti-Microsoft antagonism to the point of being silly. Isn't it entirely possible and, in fact likely, that some of those 475 or so unique customers were actually corporations and they ordered several, several hundred, or even thousands of seats? I don't see it stated anywhere that only 475 COUPONS were redeemed, just that there were 475 CUSTOMERS. In fact it specifically states that the number of coupons was unspecified. I am not a Microsoft lover, in fact I used to work for them and thankfully quit. I used to criticize them and some of their practices a lot too before, during, and still after I worked there but it was some of the ad hominem, baseless, and deliberately pessimistic interpretations like these that made me second-guess the accuser's credibility. I am back to working on Linux, and not Windows anymore, but I assure you is is not a SUSE distro.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the super anti-Microsoft antagonism to the point of being silly .
Is n't it entirely possible and , in fact likely , that some of those 475 or so unique customers were actually corporations and they ordered several , several hundred , or even thousands of seats ?
I do n't see it stated anywhere that only 475 COUPONS were redeemed , just that there were 475 CUSTOMERS .
In fact it specifically states that the number of coupons was unspecified .
I am not a Microsoft lover , in fact I used to work for them and thankfully quit .
I used to criticize them and some of their practices a lot too before , during , and still after I worked there but it was some of the ad hominem , baseless , and deliberately pessimistic interpretations like these that made me second-guess the accuser 's credibility .
I am back to working on Linux , and not Windows anymore , but I assure you is is not a SUSE distro .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the super anti-Microsoft antagonism to the point of being silly.
Isn't it entirely possible and, in fact likely, that some of those 475 or so unique customers were actually corporations and they ordered several, several hundred, or even thousands of seats?
I don't see it stated anywhere that only 475 COUPONS were redeemed, just that there were 475 CUSTOMERS.
In fact it specifically states that the number of coupons was unspecified.
I am not a Microsoft lover, in fact I used to work for them and thankfully quit.
I used to criticize them and some of their practices a lot too before, during, and still after I worked there but it was some of the ad hominem, baseless, and deliberately pessimistic interpretations like these that made me second-guess the accuser's credibility.
I am back to working on Linux, and not Windows anymore, but I assure you is is not a SUSE distro.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30997348</id>
	<title>Now I get it.</title>
	<author>Joe Snipe</author>
	<datestamp>1265133300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you put it that way, Windows 7 ultimate is a bargain!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you put it that way , Windows 7 ultimate is a bargain !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you put it that way, Windows 7 ultimate is a bargain!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30998806</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>the\_hellspawn</author>
	<datestamp>1265138340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, there is your problem. You have Oracle installed. If you went with MySQL you would be fine like a 15 year old school girl enrolled in gymnastics verses a mature drunken ding-bat.

I'm just paying, but it is kind of true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , there is your problem .
You have Oracle installed .
If you went with MySQL you would be fine like a 15 year old school girl enrolled in gymnastics verses a mature drunken ding-bat .
I 'm just paying , but it is kind of true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, there is your problem.
You have Oracle installed.
If you went with MySQL you would be fine like a 15 year old school girl enrolled in gymnastics verses a mature drunken ding-bat.
I'm just paying, but it is kind of true.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30998864</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft hounds</title>
	<author>Daniel\_Staal</author>
	<datestamp>1265138580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Good' marketing (in the sense of good for the economy and population at large, which isn't always the same as good for the company paying for it) <em>helps</em> that market assumption of 'perfect information': It informs you of a product you didn't know existed, and gives you the reasons why it might be a product you would wish to buy.</p><p>Of course, most of the people/companies <em>paying</em> for the marketing would rather it informed you of a product you didn't know existed, and created a need to buy that product.  Regardless of whether you would wish to buy it or not, or if it would benefit you in any way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Good ' marketing ( in the sense of good for the economy and population at large , which is n't always the same as good for the company paying for it ) helps that market assumption of 'perfect information ' : It informs you of a product you did n't know existed , and gives you the reasons why it might be a product you would wish to buy.Of course , most of the people/companies paying for the marketing would rather it informed you of a product you did n't know existed , and created a need to buy that product .
Regardless of whether you would wish to buy it or not , or if it would benefit you in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Good' marketing (in the sense of good for the economy and population at large, which isn't always the same as good for the company paying for it) helps that market assumption of 'perfect information': It informs you of a product you didn't know existed, and gives you the reasons why it might be a product you would wish to buy.Of course, most of the people/companies paying for the marketing would rather it informed you of a product you didn't know existed, and created a need to buy that product.
Regardless of whether you would wish to buy it or not, or if it would benefit you in any way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996788</id>
	<title>Re:Free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265131440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenSUSE is free: <a href="http://www.opensuse.org/en/" title="opensuse.org">http://www.opensuse.org/en/</a> [opensuse.org] - we run it here.</p><p>SUSE is not free. However, when your Oracle server has decided to keel over on the development server, and you've spent a couple of hours now trying to find out why, you really begin to wonder if it wouldn't have been cheaper to pay for the version with support and be able to call someone (OpenSUSE isn't an officially supported Oracle platform, so we couldn't even call them) and have them fix it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenSUSE is free : http : //www.opensuse.org/en/ [ opensuse.org ] - we run it here.SUSE is not free .
However , when your Oracle server has decided to keel over on the development server , and you 've spent a couple of hours now trying to find out why , you really begin to wonder if it would n't have been cheaper to pay for the version with support and be able to call someone ( OpenSUSE is n't an officially supported Oracle platform , so we could n't even call them ) and have them fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenSUSE is free: http://www.opensuse.org/en/ [opensuse.org] - we run it here.SUSE is not free.
However, when your Oracle server has decided to keel over on the development server, and you've spent a couple of hours now trying to find out why, you really begin to wonder if it wouldn't have been cheaper to pay for the version with support and be able to call someone (OpenSUSE isn't an officially supported Oracle platform, so we couldn't even call them) and have them fix it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_02_1510233.30996718</id>
	<title>Customer != users</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1265131200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Each company could be count as one customer, but theirs hundreds of users could count in the price of the license.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Each company could be count as one customer , but theirs hundreds of users could count in the price of the license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Each company could be count as one customer, but theirs hundreds of users could count in the price of the license.</sentencetext>
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