<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_02_01_1419205</id>
	<title>Sams Teach Yourself HTML and CSS In 24 Hours</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1265048760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>r3lody writes <i>"<i>Sams Teach Yourself HTML and CSS in 24 Hours 8th edition</i>, by Julie C. Meloni and Michael Morrison, provides the beginning and intermediate web designer with the tools needed to create standards-based web sites. The major focus of the book is XHTML 1.1 and CSS 2, but HTML 5 and some XHTML 1.0 are discussed. Overall, the presentation and content are very good. One small minus was that the publisher's site did not include downloadable examples from the book. I also found no errata until the latter parts of the book. Published in December of 2009, the 8th edition provides reasonably current information."</i> Read on for Ray's review.</htmltext>
<tokenext>r3lody writes " Sams Teach Yourself HTML and CSS in 24 Hours 8th edition , by Julie C. Meloni and Michael Morrison , provides the beginning and intermediate web designer with the tools needed to create standards-based web sites .
The major focus of the book is XHTML 1.1 and CSS 2 , but HTML 5 and some XHTML 1.0 are discussed .
Overall , the presentation and content are very good .
One small minus was that the publisher 's site did not include downloadable examples from the book .
I also found no errata until the latter parts of the book .
Published in December of 2009 , the 8th edition provides reasonably current information .
" Read on for Ray 's review .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>r3lody writes "Sams Teach Yourself HTML and CSS in 24 Hours 8th edition, by Julie C. Meloni and Michael Morrison, provides the beginning and intermediate web designer with the tools needed to create standards-based web sites.
The major focus of the book is XHTML 1.1 and CSS 2, but HTML 5 and some XHTML 1.0 are discussed.
Overall, the presentation and content are very good.
One small minus was that the publisher's site did not include downloadable examples from the book.
I also found no errata until the latter parts of the book.
Published in December of 2009, the 8th edition provides reasonably current information.
" Read on for Ray's review.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30986282</id>
	<title>Re:Misinfromation in 1st Chapter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would have gone with "402 Payment Required"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have gone with " 402 Payment Required "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have gone with "402 Payment Required"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985802</id>
	<title>"Sams" is All I Needed to Know</title>
	<author>mikestew</author>
	<datestamp>1265014980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think I've learned more from Sams books by fixing the numerous bugs in the sample code than reading the text.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 've learned more from Sams books by fixing the numerous bugs in the sample code than reading the text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I've learned more from Sams books by fixing the numerous bugs in the sample code than reading the text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30989524</id>
	<title>When HTML 5 is out</title>
	<author>stimpleton</author>
	<datestamp>1265029440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When HTML 5 is out there will be no "Teach yourself HTML 5 in 24 hours".<br> <br>I have been reading the HTML 5 discussion docs at <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/" title="whatwg.org">WHATWG</a> [whatwg.org] <br> <br>
Here is one DOM of one element:<br> <br>

interface HTMLDataListElement : HTMLElement {<br>
  readonly attribute HTMLCollection options;<br>
};<br> <br>
"Teach yourself a half dozen HTML5 Elements in 24 hours - Part 1 of 50/Series 1 of 200)"</htmltext>
<tokenext>When HTML 5 is out there will be no " Teach yourself HTML 5 in 24 hours " .
I have been reading the HTML 5 discussion docs at WHATWG [ whatwg.org ] Here is one DOM of one element : interface HTMLDataListElement : HTMLElement { readonly attribute HTMLCollection options ; } ; " Teach yourself a half dozen HTML5 Elements in 24 hours - Part 1 of 50/Series 1 of 200 ) "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When HTML 5 is out there will be no "Teach yourself HTML 5 in 24 hours".
I have been reading the HTML 5 discussion docs at WHATWG [whatwg.org]  
Here is one DOM of one element: 

interface HTMLDataListElement : HTMLElement {
  readonly attribute HTMLCollection options;
}; 
"Teach yourself a half dozen HTML5 Elements in 24 hours - Part 1 of 50/Series 1 of 200)"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984608</id>
	<title>Misinfromation in 1st Chapter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found this while previewing the book on Amazon's website: <i>"Suppose you want to do a Google search, so you dutifully type http://www.google.com in the address bar"..."Your web browser sends a request for the index.html file located at the http://www.google.com/ address"</i></p><p>While it's not the end of the world, it certainly is an error that will misguide a beginner on how traffic is exchanged between a browsing client and the web server.  The web browser does not assume index.html.  That is the job of the web server to assign a default document whether its index.html, default.htm, index.php, or yourmama.html.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found this while previewing the book on Amazon 's website : " Suppose you want to do a Google search , so you dutifully type http : //www.google.com in the address bar " ... " Your web browser sends a request for the index.html file located at the http : //www.google.com/ address " While it 's not the end of the world , it certainly is an error that will misguide a beginner on how traffic is exchanged between a browsing client and the web server .
The web browser does not assume index.html .
That is the job of the web server to assign a default document whether its index.html , default.htm , index.php , or yourmama.html .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found this while previewing the book on Amazon's website: "Suppose you want to do a Google search, so you dutifully type http://www.google.com in the address bar"..."Your web browser sends a request for the index.html file located at the http://www.google.com/ address"While it's not the end of the world, it certainly is an error that will misguide a beginner on how traffic is exchanged between a browsing client and the web server.
The web browser does not assume index.html.
That is the job of the web server to assign a default document whether its index.html, default.htm, index.php, or yourmama.html.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985024</id>
	<title>Re:Why type?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you to be one of those persons who use WYSIWYG editors to carve your HTML/CSS then in order to find out why you shouldn't use one of those then simply pick up any document you've created with your editor of choice and open it with a text editor.  The amount of useless cruft that it creates will blow your mind.  And more to the point, if you don't know HTML and/or CSS and rely on a WYSIWYG tool then no matter how pretty your doc appears to be, you still don't have a clue about what you are doing.  And that tends to be useful if you do that professionally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you to be one of those persons who use WYSIWYG editors to carve your HTML/CSS then in order to find out why you should n't use one of those then simply pick up any document you 've created with your editor of choice and open it with a text editor .
The amount of useless cruft that it creates will blow your mind .
And more to the point , if you do n't know HTML and/or CSS and rely on a WYSIWYG tool then no matter how pretty your doc appears to be , you still do n't have a clue about what you are doing .
And that tends to be useful if you do that professionally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you to be one of those persons who use WYSIWYG editors to carve your HTML/CSS then in order to find out why you shouldn't use one of those then simply pick up any document you've created with your editor of choice and open it with a text editor.
The amount of useless cruft that it creates will blow your mind.
And more to the point, if you don't know HTML and/or CSS and rely on a WYSIWYG tool then no matter how pretty your doc appears to be, you still don't have a clue about what you are doing.
And that tends to be useful if you do that professionally.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30990816</id>
	<title>Re:X in 24 hours</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1265038140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 24 hours thing is just a gimmick. Like O'Reilly books, the quality depends on the author. I've used these Teach Yourself books in the past to come to speed quickly on various topics and generally they work well for that. Yeah, some really suck. And none are designed to be a comprehensive education, but for some quick cramming, they work fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 24 hours thing is just a gimmick .
Like O'Reilly books , the quality depends on the author .
I 've used these Teach Yourself books in the past to come to speed quickly on various topics and generally they work well for that .
Yeah , some really suck .
And none are designed to be a comprehensive education , but for some quick cramming , they work fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 24 hours thing is just a gimmick.
Like O'Reilly books, the quality depends on the author.
I've used these Teach Yourself books in the past to come to speed quickly on various topics and generally they work well for that.
Yeah, some really suck.
And none are designed to be a comprehensive education, but for some quick cramming, they work fine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985268</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984380</id>
	<title>Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>XxtraLarGe</author>
	<datestamp>1265052780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't been able to pull an all-nighter since college (though I've come close playing Civ or Starcraft), but I'll give it a try!
<br> <br>More likely, they mean "Teach yourself HTML/CSS in 24 1 hour lessons" or something like that. I found I was able to learn the basics of HTML &amp; CSS in about an 8 hour day. The problem is the moving target HTML has become over the years, though even that is a minor adjustment. I think this type of books is probably o.k. for most people, but it would be better if they used a free resource like <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/" title="w3schools.com">W3 School's free tutorials</a> [w3schools.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't been able to pull an all-nighter since college ( though I 've come close playing Civ or Starcraft ) , but I 'll give it a try !
More likely , they mean " Teach yourself HTML/CSS in 24 1 hour lessons " or something like that .
I found I was able to learn the basics of HTML &amp; CSS in about an 8 hour day .
The problem is the moving target HTML has become over the years , though even that is a minor adjustment .
I think this type of books is probably o.k .
for most people , but it would be better if they used a free resource like W3 School 's free tutorials [ w3schools.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't been able to pull an all-nighter since college (though I've come close playing Civ or Starcraft), but I'll give it a try!
More likely, they mean "Teach yourself HTML/CSS in 24 1 hour lessons" or something like that.
I found I was able to learn the basics of HTML &amp; CSS in about an 8 hour day.
The problem is the moving target HTML has become over the years, though even that is a minor adjustment.
I think this type of books is probably o.k.
for most people, but it would be better if they used a free resource like W3 School's free tutorials [w3schools.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984666</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>moteyalpha</author>
	<datestamp>1265054160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is my suggestion also, W3 . I addition I would recommend firebug.

<a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843" title="mozilla.org">https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843</a> [mozilla.org]

There is no better teacher than seeing how the scripts are actually implemented.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is my suggestion also , W3 .
I addition I would recommend firebug .
https : //addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 [ mozilla.org ] There is no better teacher than seeing how the scripts are actually implemented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is my suggestion also, W3 .
I addition I would recommend firebug.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 [mozilla.org]

There is no better teacher than seeing how the scripts are actually implemented.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987878</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265022300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But since we have classes, why can't we have inheritance? It would be so nice to define for example<nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>.smallFont { 0.7em sans-serif }</tt>, then define<nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>.smallRedFont &lt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.smallFont { color: red }</tt>. I made up the syntax but you get the point. I'm aware that an element can have multiple CSS classes, but it would be nicer to be able to inherit properties from other classes, not just parents of the element. In that example it doesn't really make much of a difference, but instead of using <tt>&lt;a class="ui-state-default ui-corner-all myCustomButton"&gt;</tt> to get a "button" styled to match jQuery UI, one would be simply able to define<nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>.myCustomButton &lt; ui-state-default, ui-corner-all {<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/* custom definitions here */ }</tt>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But since we have classes , why ca n't we have inheritance ?
It would be so nice to define for example .smallFont { 0.7em sans-serif } , then define .smallRedFont .smallFont { color : red } .
I made up the syntax but you get the point .
I 'm aware that an element can have multiple CSS classes , but it would be nicer to be able to inherit properties from other classes , not just parents of the element .
In that example it does n't really make much of a difference , but instead of using to get a " button " styled to match jQuery UI , one would be simply able to define .myCustomButton / * custom definitions here * / } .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But since we have classes, why can't we have inheritance?
It would be so nice to define for example .smallFont { 0.7em sans-serif }, then define .smallRedFont  .smallFont { color: red }.
I made up the syntax but you get the point.
I'm aware that an element can have multiple CSS classes, but it would be nicer to be able to inherit properties from other classes, not just parents of the element.
In that example it doesn't really make much of a difference, but instead of using  to get a "button" styled to match jQuery UI, one would be simply able to define .myCustomButton  /* custom definitions here */ }.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30988092</id>
	<title>Two minor corrections...</title>
	<author>r3lody</author>
	<datestamp>1265023320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two minor corrections: (1) The downloadable content is available. The publisher's had a glitch on their web site that has since been corrected (but not until after I had finished the review - oh well!) If you go to <a href="http://www.informit.com/title/0672330970" title="informit.com">http://www.informit.com/title/0672330970</a> [informit.com] and click the Download tab, you'll get it. (2) The link for purchasing goes to the 7th edition. This is the 8th edition, and the link to that book is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Hours-Coverage/dp/0672330970/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1265061056&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Hours-Coverage/dp/0672330970/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1265061056&amp;sr=8-1</a> [amazon.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two minor corrections : ( 1 ) The downloadable content is available .
The publisher 's had a glitch on their web site that has since been corrected ( but not until after I had finished the review - oh well !
) If you go to http : //www.informit.com/title/0672330970 [ informit.com ] and click the Download tab , you 'll get it .
( 2 ) The link for purchasing goes to the 7th edition .
This is the 8th edition , and the link to that book is http : //www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Hours-Coverage/dp/0672330970/ref = sr \ _1 \ _1 ? ie = UTF8&amp;qid = 1265061056&amp;sr = 8-1 [ amazon.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two minor corrections: (1) The downloadable content is available.
The publisher's had a glitch on their web site that has since been corrected (but not until after I had finished the review - oh well!
) If you go to http://www.informit.com/title/0672330970 [informit.com] and click the Download tab, you'll get it.
(2) The link for purchasing goes to the 7th edition.
This is the 8th edition, and the link to that book is http://www.amazon.com/Sams-Teach-Yourself-Hours-Coverage/dp/0672330970/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1265061056&amp;sr=8-1 [amazon.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984326</id>
	<title>would be nice if ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265052540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mainstream web hosters provided HTML and CSS support in the first place. google sites has dumbified HTML down to its template builder and geocities is offline, facebook has its own templatified crap, so has myspace and flickr/twitter etc all use their own non HTML required templates.<br>HTML is obsolete. like plumbing. for the mainstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mainstream web hosters provided HTML and CSS support in the first place .
google sites has dumbified HTML down to its template builder and geocities is offline , facebook has its own templatified crap , so has myspace and flickr/twitter etc all use their own non HTML required templates.HTML is obsolete .
like plumbing .
for the mainstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mainstream web hosters provided HTML and CSS support in the first place.
google sites has dumbified HTML down to its template builder and geocities is offline, facebook has its own templatified crap, so has myspace and flickr/twitter etc all use their own non HTML required templates.HTML is obsolete.
like plumbing.
for the mainstream.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987828</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>djheru</author>
	<datestamp>1265022120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use Blueprint CSS

<a href="http://www.blueprintcss.org/" title="blueprintcss.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.blueprintcss.org/</a> [blueprintcss.org]

It will make your life much easier. Every website I make has columns. They really aren't that hard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use Blueprint CSS http : //www.blueprintcss.org/ [ blueprintcss.org ] It will make your life much easier .
Every website I make has columns .
They really are n't that hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use Blueprint CSS

http://www.blueprintcss.org/ [blueprintcss.org]

It will make your life much easier.
Every website I make has columns.
They really aren't that hard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985252</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987154</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265019540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You young folk don't know how good you've got it. I cut my teeth doing all-nighters at the campus computer center, that being the only way to get decent turnaround on the 360 mainframe. (Don't know what I'm talking about? Google "batch processing" and "IBM cards".) With that training, I was able to pull all-nighters well into my 40s. Though it wasn't nearly as much fun by then &mdash; everybody else was gone by 6, the wimps.</p><p>The w3schools.com is very impressive. Not only do they provide a huge amount of well-written content, they have these cool web apps that let you fiddle with code and see the results immediately.  I've never worked through any of their tutorials, but when I google for information on some HTML or CSS feature, I end up on w3schools.com about 75\% of the time. That should tell you something.</p><p>W3.org is also a valuable resource. They are, after all, the authoritative source for HTML, CSS, and lots of other web technologies. Two pitfalls: their target audience is implementers and standards wonks, not web developers; and you have to watch out for features that never got implemented.</p><p>Despite these issues, it's really a good idea to write web code that targets the W3C specs rather than specific browsers. That way you'll have web pages that work on most browsers and don't break whenever somebody tinkers with Gecko or Trident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You young folk do n't know how good you 've got it .
I cut my teeth doing all-nighters at the campus computer center , that being the only way to get decent turnaround on the 360 mainframe .
( Do n't know what I 'm talking about ?
Google " batch processing " and " IBM cards " .
) With that training , I was able to pull all-nighters well into my 40s .
Though it was n't nearly as much fun by then    everybody else was gone by 6 , the wimps.The w3schools.com is very impressive .
Not only do they provide a huge amount of well-written content , they have these cool web apps that let you fiddle with code and see the results immediately .
I 've never worked through any of their tutorials , but when I google for information on some HTML or CSS feature , I end up on w3schools.com about 75 \ % of the time .
That should tell you something.W3.org is also a valuable resource .
They are , after all , the authoritative source for HTML , CSS , and lots of other web technologies .
Two pitfalls : their target audience is implementers and standards wonks , not web developers ; and you have to watch out for features that never got implemented.Despite these issues , it 's really a good idea to write web code that targets the W3C specs rather than specific browsers .
That way you 'll have web pages that work on most browsers and do n't break whenever somebody tinkers with Gecko or Trident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You young folk don't know how good you've got it.
I cut my teeth doing all-nighters at the campus computer center, that being the only way to get decent turnaround on the 360 mainframe.
(Don't know what I'm talking about?
Google "batch processing" and "IBM cards".
) With that training, I was able to pull all-nighters well into my 40s.
Though it wasn't nearly as much fun by then — everybody else was gone by 6, the wimps.The w3schools.com is very impressive.
Not only do they provide a huge amount of well-written content, they have these cool web apps that let you fiddle with code and see the results immediately.
I've never worked through any of their tutorials, but when I google for information on some HTML or CSS feature, I end up on w3schools.com about 75\% of the time.
That should tell you something.W3.org is also a valuable resource.
They are, after all, the authoritative source for HTML, CSS, and lots of other web technologies.
Two pitfalls: their target audience is implementers and standards wonks, not web developers; and you have to watch out for features that never got implemented.Despite these issues, it's really a good idea to write web code that targets the W3C specs rather than specific browsers.
That way you'll have web pages that work on most browsers and don't break whenever somebody tinkers with Gecko or Trident.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984786</id>
	<title>Re:Why type?</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1265054700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I certainly don't do html hard coding anymore, but back in the day when I was in middle school ('95-'98) learning HTML from a couple of books, I did everything in notepad.  There is no way I would hard-code an entire website nowadays, but I'm glad I started with the straight coding...it has made learning PHP MUCH easier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I certainly do n't do html hard coding anymore , but back in the day when I was in middle school ( '95-'98 ) learning HTML from a couple of books , I did everything in notepad .
There is no way I would hard-code an entire website nowadays , but I 'm glad I started with the straight coding...it has made learning PHP MUCH easier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I certainly don't do html hard coding anymore, but back in the day when I was in middle school ('95-'98) learning HTML from a couple of books, I did everything in notepad.
There is no way I would hard-code an entire website nowadays, but I'm glad I started with the straight coding...it has made learning PHP MUCH easier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30986140</id>
	<title>perhaps for aspiring web \_developers\_</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Web design is wholly different than HTML + CSS development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Web design is wholly different than HTML + CSS development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Web design is wholly different than HTML + CSS development.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984904</id>
	<title>Re:Why type?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265055120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're missing your opening paragraph tag.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're missing your opening paragraph tag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're missing your opening paragraph tag.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985884</id>
	<title>Straight?</title>
	<author>kenh</author>
	<datestamp>1265015220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or am I supposed to take breaks (meaning it will actually take more than 24 hours<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;^)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or am I supposed to take breaks ( meaning it will actually take more than 24 hours ; ^ ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or am I supposed to take breaks (meaning it will actually take more than 24 hours ;^)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30986330</id>
	<title>Re:X in 24 hours</title>
	<author>west</author>
	<datestamp>1265016720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hadn't realized that *literally* judging a book by its cover gets you moderated 'Informative'.  It will be interesting to see how the parent rates versus postings that actually address the content of the book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had n't realized that * literally * judging a book by its cover gets you moderated 'Informative' .
It will be interesting to see how the parent rates versus postings that actually address the content of the book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hadn't realized that *literally* judging a book by its cover gets you moderated 'Informative'.
It will be interesting to see how the parent rates versus postings that actually address the content of the book.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985268</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984348</id>
	<title>I learned it ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265052600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>... in 2 hours, without the book!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... in 2 hours , without the book !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... in 2 hours, without the book!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984642</id>
	<title>Re:Why type?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <tt>&lt;html&gt;<br>&lt;head&gt;<br>
&nbsp; &lt;title&gt;Reply&lt;/title&gt;<br>&lt;/head&gt;<br>&lt;body&gt;<br>
&nbsp; &lt;h1&gt;Yes&lt;/h1&gt;<br>
&nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Does anyone still type in HTML or CSS anymore?&lt;/i&gt;<br>
&nbsp; &lt;p<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/&gt;<br>
&nbsp; &lt;b&gt;As a matter of fact, I do type everything in HTML.&lt;/b&gt;<br>&lt;/body&gt;<br>&lt;/html&gt;</tt></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>  Reply   Yes   Does anyone still type in HTML or CSS anymore ?
  / &gt;   As a matter of fact , I do type everything in HTML .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 
  Reply
  Yes
  Does anyone still type in HTML or CSS anymore?
   /&gt;
  As a matter of fact, I do type everything in HTML. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985268</id>
	<title>X in 24 hours</title>
	<author>QuoteMstr</author>
	<datestamp>1265056560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't everyone know that X in 24 hours books neither teach you X, nor do it in 24 hours? They're super low-end guides generally that contain outdated information that could just as easily have been gleaned from tutorials. Meh.</p><p>I can't believe Slashdot ran an ad^H^H^H^H review of this book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't everyone know that X in 24 hours books neither teach you X , nor do it in 24 hours ?
They 're super low-end guides generally that contain outdated information that could just as easily have been gleaned from tutorials .
Meh.I ca n't believe Slashdot ran an ad ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H review of this book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't everyone know that X in 24 hours books neither teach you X, nor do it in 24 hours?
They're super low-end guides generally that contain outdated information that could just as easily have been gleaned from tutorials.
Meh.I can't believe Slashdot ran an ad^H^H^H^H review of this book.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30988836</id>
	<title>1999 called ...</title>
	<author>icepick72</author>
	<datestamp>1265026320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... and it wants its book back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and it wants its book back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and it wants its book back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30986412</id>
	<title>Re:Misinfromation in 1st Chapter</title>
	<author>Bogtha</author>
	<datestamp>1265017020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I can't reproduce that.  I keep getting <tt>413 Request Entity Too Large</tt> instead.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't reproduce that .
I keep getting 413 Request Entity Too Large instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I can't reproduce that.
I keep getting 413 Request Entity Too Large instead.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985622</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987540</id>
	<title>Re:Why XHTML?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1265020980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big problem with XHTML is that the W3C was wasting their time with this format that offers dubious benefit, made browsers more complicated, on the assumption that older versions of HTML would just... I dunno... magically go away. (At which point, browsers could be made simpler again.) Oh, and of course they didn't bother to figure out what actual websites on the actual Internet need, so it's incompatible with a ton of hugely popular tags. (For example, Atlas Universal Action Tags don't validate in XHTML Strict.)</p><p>Oh boy. I can do a XLST transform on my homepage. That gets me... what exactly?</p><p>Not that I'm really that opposed to XHTML, what pisses me off most is that they were working on this useless thing when they could have been actually working on HTML5 in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big problem with XHTML is that the W3C was wasting their time with this format that offers dubious benefit , made browsers more complicated , on the assumption that older versions of HTML would just... I dunno... magically go away .
( At which point , browsers could be made simpler again .
) Oh , and of course they did n't bother to figure out what actual websites on the actual Internet need , so it 's incompatible with a ton of hugely popular tags .
( For example , Atlas Universal Action Tags do n't validate in XHTML Strict .
) Oh boy .
I can do a XLST transform on my homepage .
That gets me... what exactly ? Not that I 'm really that opposed to XHTML , what pisses me off most is that they were working on this useless thing when they could have been actually working on HTML5 in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big problem with XHTML is that the W3C was wasting their time with this format that offers dubious benefit, made browsers more complicated, on the assumption that older versions of HTML would just... I dunno... magically go away.
(At which point, browsers could be made simpler again.
) Oh, and of course they didn't bother to figure out what actual websites on the actual Internet need, so it's incompatible with a ton of hugely popular tags.
(For example, Atlas Universal Action Tags don't validate in XHTML Strict.
)Oh boy.
I can do a XLST transform on my homepage.
That gets me... what exactly?Not that I'm really that opposed to XHTML, what pisses me off most is that they were working on this useless thing when they could have been actually working on HTML5 in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985736</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987152</id>
	<title>Julie C. Meloni-Department of English-Wash. St.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265019540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meloni is an English teacher!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meloni is an English teacher !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meloni is an English teacher!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30993936</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>lena\_10326</author>
	<datestamp>1265119140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sick of these table debates so let's cut to the chase. The answer is CSS is deficient so sometimes tables are needed but they should be avoided where possible. Pass this answer around so we can stop these stupid, incessant CSS versus HTML table debates and retarded generalizations such as "you should never use tables" comments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sick of these table debates so let 's cut to the chase .
The answer is CSS is deficient so sometimes tables are needed but they should be avoided where possible .
Pass this answer around so we can stop these stupid , incessant CSS versus HTML table debates and retarded generalizations such as " you should never use tables " comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sick of these table debates so let's cut to the chase.
The answer is CSS is deficient so sometimes tables are needed but they should be avoided where possible.
Pass this answer around so we can stop these stupid, incessant CSS versus HTML table debates and retarded generalizations such as "you should never use tables" comments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985736</id>
	<title>Why XHTML?</title>
	<author>Kozz</author>
	<datestamp>1265014800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml" title="hixie.ch">A case against XHTML</a> [hixie.ch]</p><p>Not only is it possibly harmful to send XHTML (xml) as text/html, all your style and script blocks need to be wrapped in all kinds of comment / (P)CDATA silliness to truly validate correctly, etc.  Read the article and you may decide that HTML 4 (strict) is the way to go.</p><p>On the other hand, if someone would like to refute the points in the link above, I'd welcome an alternate perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A case against XHTML [ hixie.ch ] Not only is it possibly harmful to send XHTML ( xml ) as text/html , all your style and script blocks need to be wrapped in all kinds of comment / ( P ) CDATA silliness to truly validate correctly , etc .
Read the article and you may decide that HTML 4 ( strict ) is the way to go.On the other hand , if someone would like to refute the points in the link above , I 'd welcome an alternate perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A case against XHTML [hixie.ch]Not only is it possibly harmful to send XHTML (xml) as text/html, all your style and script blocks need to be wrapped in all kinds of comment / (P)CDATA silliness to truly validate correctly, etc.
Read the article and you may decide that HTML 4 (strict) is the way to go.On the other hand, if someone would like to refute the points in the link above, I'd welcome an alternate perspective.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987980</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265022720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, all those teach yourself X in 24hrs state in the book that it's 24 1hr lessons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , all those teach yourself X in 24hrs state in the book that it 's 24 1hr lessons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, all those teach yourself X in 24hrs state in the book that it's 24 1hr lessons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30995144</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265125800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>was it in the snow uphill both ways?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>was it in the snow uphill both ways ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was it in the snow uphill both ways?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987154</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984822</id>
	<title>Re:I learned it ...</title>
	<author>rgo</author>
	<datestamp>1265054820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe in 2 hours you learned the very basics, like changing fonts and colors.
Learning how to do complex layouts will take you a much longer time, due to broad scope of CSS (CSS 3 is massive) and because every browser implements CSS differently.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe in 2 hours you learned the very basics , like changing fonts and colors .
Learning how to do complex layouts will take you a much longer time , due to broad scope of CSS ( CSS 3 is massive ) and because every browser implements CSS differently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe in 2 hours you learned the very basics, like changing fonts and colors.
Learning how to do complex layouts will take you a much longer time, due to broad scope of CSS (CSS 3 is massive) and because every browser implements CSS differently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30986398</id>
	<title>Re:Why type?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265016960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a matter of fact, yes we do.</p><p><strong>All our templates</strong> are done with a simple text editor. And our customers appreciate standards-compliant front-ends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a matter of fact , yes we do.All our templates are done with a simple text editor .
And our customers appreciate standards-compliant front-ends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a matter of fact, yes we do.All our templates are done with a simple text editor.
And our customers appreciate standards-compliant front-ends.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984428</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985648</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1265057820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The current hotspot is now having a footer at the bottom which:<br>-Floats at the bottom of the page, regardless of how little content there is<br>-Expands down the page when content overflows, so it doesn't cover content.<br>-Reacts when you do things like hide/show content.</p><p>So many different ways to do it, all with little quirks.  Bottom line, CSS is designed as a system of browser HINTS which the browser uses to determine how content is laid out when the window changes size/shape.  It has some hacks for specifying specific layouts, but it is absolutely not browser-based.  It is more oriented towards print layout, where the output size is static.  You can make some great layouts if you make assumptions about the size, but they break as soon as you re-size the window.  Flow and float and similar ideas upon which CSS is based tend to really mis-align what you intended.</p><p>I'm still using tables for certain things, and I'll never give it up until CSS is replaced by something oriented towards browser layout.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The current hotspot is now having a footer at the bottom which : -Floats at the bottom of the page , regardless of how little content there is-Expands down the page when content overflows , so it does n't cover content.-Reacts when you do things like hide/show content.So many different ways to do it , all with little quirks .
Bottom line , CSS is designed as a system of browser HINTS which the browser uses to determine how content is laid out when the window changes size/shape .
It has some hacks for specifying specific layouts , but it is absolutely not browser-based .
It is more oriented towards print layout , where the output size is static .
You can make some great layouts if you make assumptions about the size , but they break as soon as you re-size the window .
Flow and float and similar ideas upon which CSS is based tend to really mis-align what you intended.I 'm still using tables for certain things , and I 'll never give it up until CSS is replaced by something oriented towards browser layout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current hotspot is now having a footer at the bottom which:-Floats at the bottom of the page, regardless of how little content there is-Expands down the page when content overflows, so it doesn't cover content.-Reacts when you do things like hide/show content.So many different ways to do it, all with little quirks.
Bottom line, CSS is designed as a system of browser HINTS which the browser uses to determine how content is laid out when the window changes size/shape.
It has some hacks for specifying specific layouts, but it is absolutely not browser-based.
It is more oriented towards print layout, where the output size is static.
You can make some great layouts if you make assumptions about the size, but they break as soon as you re-size the window.
Flow and float and similar ideas upon which CSS is based tend to really mis-align what you intended.I'm still using tables for certain things, and I'll never give it up until CSS is replaced by something oriented towards browser layout.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984596</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30993282</id>
	<title>Accessibility? No? Didn't think so...</title>
	<author>Grismar</author>
	<datestamp>1265113200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's so many books out there that tell you how to write decent HTML+CSS that this seems superfluous, especially considering all its shortcomings.

One glaring omission is the lack of attention for accessibility. Many web developers will do just fine writing a new page for some mom-and-pop shop or other small business but once you start writing for government or large business, lack of knowledge about stuff like WCAG can be crippling. It's mostly a matter of avoiding bad habits and learning some best practices and I feel any book on this topic should include it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's so many books out there that tell you how to write decent HTML + CSS that this seems superfluous , especially considering all its shortcomings .
One glaring omission is the lack of attention for accessibility .
Many web developers will do just fine writing a new page for some mom-and-pop shop or other small business but once you start writing for government or large business , lack of knowledge about stuff like WCAG can be crippling .
It 's mostly a matter of avoiding bad habits and learning some best practices and I feel any book on this topic should include it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's so many books out there that tell you how to write decent HTML+CSS that this seems superfluous, especially considering all its shortcomings.
One glaring omission is the lack of attention for accessibility.
Many web developers will do just fine writing a new page for some mom-and-pop shop or other small business but once you start writing for government or large business, lack of knowledge about stuff like WCAG can be crippling.
It's mostly a matter of avoiding bad habits and learning some best practices and I feel any book on this topic should include it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984900</id>
	<title>Re:I learned it ...</title>
	<author>orsty3001</author>
	<datestamp>1265055120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This book will teach you HTML and CSS in 941 24 hours sessions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This book will teach you HTML and CSS in 941 24 hours sessions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This book will teach you HTML and CSS in 941 24 hours sessions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984348</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984428</id>
	<title>Why type?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone still type in HTML or CSS anymore? Don't you just bring up a WSYWIG designer and just publish your page?</p><p>I mean, Please! This is the 21st century wtf are we <i>still</i> typing for christ-sakes?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone still type in HTML or CSS anymore ?
Do n't you just bring up a WSYWIG designer and just publish your page ? I mean , Please !
This is the 21st century wtf are we still typing for christ-sakes ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone still type in HTML or CSS anymore?
Don't you just bring up a WSYWIG designer and just publish your page?I mean, Please!
This is the 21st century wtf are we still typing for christ-sakes?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985622</id>
	<title>Re:Misinfromation in 1st Chapter</title>
	<author>DavidD\_CA</author>
	<datestamp>1265057700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> That is the job of the web server to assign a default document whether its index.html, default.htm, index.php, or yourmama.html</p></div><p>I sent a request for yourmama.html last night, and it was 200 OK.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the job of the web server to assign a default document whether its index.html , default.htm , index.php , or yourmama.htmlI sent a request for yourmama.html last night , and it was 200 OK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> That is the job of the web server to assign a default document whether its index.html, default.htm, index.php, or yourmama.htmlI sent a request for yourmama.html last night, and it was 200 OK.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987580</id>
	<title>Re:Misinfromation in 1st Chapter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265021100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>417 Expectation Failed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>417 Expectation Failed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>417 Expectation Failed</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30990090</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Boba001</author>
	<datestamp>1265032740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although CSS still fails to support variables and simple math, there are some CSS frameworks available that can be used with most web development platforms to offer that and additional functionality (like mixins) for the developer.

Take a look at:

<ul>
<li> <a href="http://sass-lang.com/" title="sass-lang.com" rel="nofollow">SASS</a> [sass-lang.com] </li><li> <a href="http://lesscss.org/" title="lesscss.org" rel="nofollow">LESS</a> [lesscss.org] </li><li> <a href="http://sandbox.pocoo.org/clevercss/" title="pocoo.org" rel="nofollow">CleverCSS</a> [pocoo.org] </li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although CSS still fails to support variables and simple math , there are some CSS frameworks available that can be used with most web development platforms to offer that and additional functionality ( like mixins ) for the developer .
Take a look at : SASS [ sass-lang.com ] LESS [ lesscss.org ] CleverCSS [ pocoo.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although CSS still fails to support variables and simple math, there are some CSS frameworks available that can be used with most web development platforms to offer that and additional functionality (like mixins) for the developer.
Take a look at:


 SASS [sass-lang.com]  LESS [lesscss.org]  CleverCSS [pocoo.org] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984990</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>MisterZimbu</author>
	<datestamp>1265055540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm still a tables guy- to me, doing anything remotely complicated in CSS is completely unintuitive and backwards, and requires ridiculous hacks before you even get to IE (no vertical alignment?  lack of proper columns?).  The real problem with web layouts today is that neither HTML Tables nor CSS were designed with layout in mind, so everything requires far too much effort to set up properly.  To me, I'd rather deal with the (much smaller) hassle of using tables for layout than deal with the significant hacks to get around the severe limitations of CSS.</p><p>Hopefully when CSS3 gains some more widespread acceptance and some of the layout-oriented modules (the CSS3 table ascii-art module and/or the Flex Layout module) gain some traction, I'll be able to switch over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm still a tables guy- to me , doing anything remotely complicated in CSS is completely unintuitive and backwards , and requires ridiculous hacks before you even get to IE ( no vertical alignment ?
lack of proper columns ? ) .
The real problem with web layouts today is that neither HTML Tables nor CSS were designed with layout in mind , so everything requires far too much effort to set up properly .
To me , I 'd rather deal with the ( much smaller ) hassle of using tables for layout than deal with the significant hacks to get around the severe limitations of CSS.Hopefully when CSS3 gains some more widespread acceptance and some of the layout-oriented modules ( the CSS3 table ascii-art module and/or the Flex Layout module ) gain some traction , I 'll be able to switch over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm still a tables guy- to me, doing anything remotely complicated in CSS is completely unintuitive and backwards, and requires ridiculous hacks before you even get to IE (no vertical alignment?
lack of proper columns?).
The real problem with web layouts today is that neither HTML Tables nor CSS were designed with layout in mind, so everything requires far too much effort to set up properly.
To me, I'd rather deal with the (much smaller) hassle of using tables for layout than deal with the significant hacks to get around the severe limitations of CSS.Hopefully when CSS3 gains some more widespread acceptance and some of the layout-oriented modules (the CSS3 table ascii-art module and/or the Flex Layout module) gain some traction, I'll be able to switch over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985748</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>djheru</author>
	<datestamp>1265014860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>quote: For example, CSS doesn't have variables... so you can't say something like "headerColor = #5444BB" and just use that wherever you want the header color. What were they thinking!?</p><p>That's what css classes are for:<br>CSS -<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.blueHeader { color: #5444BB; }<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.redHeader { color: #BB4445; }</p><p>HTML -<br>I'm Blue<br>I'm Red</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>quote : For example , CSS does n't have variables... so you ca n't say something like " headerColor = # 5444BB " and just use that wherever you want the header color .
What were they thinking !
? That 's what css classes are for : CSS - .blueHeader { color : # 5444BB ; } .redHeader { color : # BB4445 ; } HTML -I 'm BlueI 'm Red</tokentext>
<sentencetext>quote: For example, CSS doesn't have variables... so you can't say something like "headerColor = #5444BB" and just use that wherever you want the header color.
What were they thinking!
?That's what css classes are for:CSS - .blueHeader { color: #5444BB; } .redHeader { color: #BB4445; }HTML -I'm BlueI'm Red
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30992772</id>
	<title>Teach yourself anything (well) in 10 years</title>
	<author>unchiujar</author>
	<datestamp>1265105820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whenever I see titles like these ( Teach  yourself X in ZY [days|hours|minutes|seconds] ) I always think of this article <a href="http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html" title="norvig.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html</a> [norvig.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever I see titles like these ( Teach yourself X in ZY [ days | hours | minutes | seconds ] ) I always think of this article http : //www.norvig.com/21-days.html [ norvig.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever I see titles like these ( Teach  yourself X in ZY [days|hours|minutes|seconds] ) I always think of this article http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html [norvig.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30988932</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>ianezz</author>
	<datestamp>1265026680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That's what css classes are for:</p></div></blockquote><p>They may be how they are used, but that's not how they were meant to be used, the idea being that CSS classes mark <b>content</b>, while CSS deals with <b>presentation</b>. Classes as "blueHeader" are no better than a &lt;font&gt; tag; things get interesting when you want to make all the "blueHeader" content red, for example.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what css classes are for : They may be how they are used , but that 's not how they were meant to be used , the idea being that CSS classes mark content , while CSS deals with presentation .
Classes as " blueHeader " are no better than a tag ; things get interesting when you want to make all the " blueHeader " content red , for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what css classes are for:They may be how they are used, but that's not how they were meant to be used, the idea being that CSS classes mark content, while CSS deals with presentation.
Classes as "blueHeader" are no better than a  tag; things get interesting when you want to make all the "blueHeader" content red, for example.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30991372</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>GigaHurtsMyRobot</author>
	<datestamp>1265043000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've not come across one layout design that I couldn't implement in tables and have it function properly cross-browser.  Look at how much whining was done in this thread about CSS and IE6... I never had to deal with any of that shit.  Nested tables make the most logical sense for the amount of effort, and if you do it right, there's a lot of time saved in 'the old fashioned way.'</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've not come across one layout design that I could n't implement in tables and have it function properly cross-browser .
Look at how much whining was done in this thread about CSS and IE6... I never had to deal with any of that shit .
Nested tables make the most logical sense for the amount of effort , and if you do it right , there 's a lot of time saved in 'the old fashioned way .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've not come across one layout design that I couldn't implement in tables and have it function properly cross-browser.
Look at how much whining was done in this thread about CSS and IE6... I never had to deal with any of that shit.
Nested tables make the most logical sense for the amount of effort, and if you do it right, there's a lot of time saved in 'the old fashioned way.
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984736</id>
	<title>/offtopic, so mod appropriately</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265054460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been wanting to learn a new language just for the hell of it, and I've consistently heard that Ruby on Rails is fairly easy to pick up and get started with.  Anyone have any suggestions for good books written for Ruby noobs?  Thanks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been wanting to learn a new language just for the hell of it , and I 've consistently heard that Ruby on Rails is fairly easy to pick up and get started with .
Anyone have any suggestions for good books written for Ruby noobs ?
Thanks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been wanting to learn a new language just for the hell of it, and I've consistently heard that Ruby on Rails is fairly easy to pick up and get started with.
Anyone have any suggestions for good books written for Ruby noobs?
Thanks!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987700</id>
	<title>Superb Owl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265021580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I call it a "Superb Owl" party?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I call it a " Superb Owl " party ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I call it a "Superb Owl" party?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30990232</id>
	<title>Re:X in 24 hours</title>
	<author>Ryiah</author>
	<datestamp>1265033820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They're super low-end guides generally that contain outdated information that could just as easily have been gleaned from tutorials.</p></div><p>Don't think of it as Sams being slow. Think of them as giving Internet Explorer a chance to at least partially support CSS before the book ships.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're super low-end guides generally that contain outdated information that could just as easily have been gleaned from tutorials.Do n't think of it as Sams being slow .
Think of them as giving Internet Explorer a chance to at least partially support CSS before the book ships .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're super low-end guides generally that contain outdated information that could just as easily have been gleaned from tutorials.Don't think of it as Sams being slow.
Think of them as giving Internet Explorer a chance to at least partially support CSS before the book ships.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30984596</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265053800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. Some guys I know go "What do you mean I shouldn't be using Tables to layout my page?" because thats basically how it was done a long while ago. (Long in computer years, not human years).</p><p>Learning HTML and CSS are the easy parts of Web Design, and could easily be done in less than a day (I know I learned it pretty quickly). It's when you want to embed some other controls, or add some functionality, that web pages actually get complicated (Why isn't my PHP communicating with mysql properly?!?!?). Or even *shudder* when the client requests for something done in Flash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Some guys I know go " What do you mean I should n't be using Tables to layout my page ?
" because thats basically how it was done a long while ago .
( Long in computer years , not human years ) .Learning HTML and CSS are the easy parts of Web Design , and could easily be done in less than a day ( I know I learned it pretty quickly ) .
It 's when you want to embed some other controls , or add some functionality , that web pages actually get complicated ( Why is n't my PHP communicating with mysql properly ? ! ? ! ? ) .
Or even * shudder * when the client requests for something done in Flash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Some guys I know go "What do you mean I shouldn't be using Tables to layout my page?
" because thats basically how it was done a long while ago.
(Long in computer years, not human years).Learning HTML and CSS are the easy parts of Web Design, and could easily be done in less than a day (I know I learned it pretty quickly).
It's when you want to embed some other controls, or add some functionality, that web pages actually get complicated (Why isn't my PHP communicating with mysql properly?!?!?).
Or even *shudder* when the client requests for something done in Flash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987238</id>
	<title>Re:Misinfromation in 1st Chapter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1265019900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I sent a request for yourmama.html last night, and it was 200 OK.
</p><p>
I sent one to my ex, and got <b>301 Moved Permanently</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I sent a request for yourmama.html last night , and it was 200 OK . I sent one to my ex , and got 301 Moved Permanently</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I sent a request for yourmama.html last night, and it was 200 OK.

I sent one to my ex, and got 301 Moved Permanently</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30985252</id>
	<title>Re:Only 24 hours?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1265056500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I consider myself a pretty sharp guy, and I've been working with the web for ages, but I still can't use CSS without running into major problems every single time. Some of them are design issues, some of them are just me not being able to wrap my head around it.</p><p>For example, CSS doesn't have variables... so you can't say something like "headerColor = #5444BB" and just use that wherever you want the header color. <i>What were they thinking!?</i></p><p>CSS also can't do math, so a simple construct like "width = 10px + 5em" is impossible. (You can't do this without math because the number of pixels in an em can change based on browser/font settings.) <i>What were they thinking!?</i></p><p>The first thing I need in my CSS site is columns, you know, like newspapers had in the 17th century. What? You mean CSS has no support for columns until version 3, which is only now beginning to get any browser support at all? The only way to get columns is kludgy workarounds. <i>What were they thinking!?</i></p><p>Design issues aside, I usually end up with a page where there's a completely unexplainable pixel gap, or an element wrapping when it shouldn't, or some thing or another. Usually, the only way I can solve these problems amounts to, basically, guess and check... maybe I'm an idiot, but the way CSS does layouts just won't fit in my head at all.</p><p>Obligatory link to "CSS is awesome" mug: <a href="http://www.zazzle.com/css\_is\_awesome\_mug-168716435071981928" title="zazzle.com">http://www.zazzle.com/css\_is\_awesome\_mug-168716435071981928</a> [zazzle.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I consider myself a pretty sharp guy , and I 've been working with the web for ages , but I still ca n't use CSS without running into major problems every single time .
Some of them are design issues , some of them are just me not being able to wrap my head around it.For example , CSS does n't have variables... so you ca n't say something like " headerColor = # 5444BB " and just use that wherever you want the header color .
What were they thinking !
? CSS also ca n't do math , so a simple construct like " width = 10px + 5em " is impossible .
( You ca n't do this without math because the number of pixels in an em can change based on browser/font settings .
) What were they thinking !
? The first thing I need in my CSS site is columns , you know , like newspapers had in the 17th century .
What ? You mean CSS has no support for columns until version 3 , which is only now beginning to get any browser support at all ?
The only way to get columns is kludgy workarounds .
What were they thinking !
? Design issues aside , I usually end up with a page where there 's a completely unexplainable pixel gap , or an element wrapping when it should n't , or some thing or another .
Usually , the only way I can solve these problems amounts to , basically , guess and check... maybe I 'm an idiot , but the way CSS does layouts just wo n't fit in my head at all.Obligatory link to " CSS is awesome " mug : http : //www.zazzle.com/css \ _is \ _awesome \ _mug-168716435071981928 [ zazzle.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I consider myself a pretty sharp guy, and I've been working with the web for ages, but I still can't use CSS without running into major problems every single time.
Some of them are design issues, some of them are just me not being able to wrap my head around it.For example, CSS doesn't have variables... so you can't say something like "headerColor = #5444BB" and just use that wherever you want the header color.
What were they thinking!
?CSS also can't do math, so a simple construct like "width = 10px + 5em" is impossible.
(You can't do this without math because the number of pixels in an em can change based on browser/font settings.
) What were they thinking!
?The first thing I need in my CSS site is columns, you know, like newspapers had in the 17th century.
What? You mean CSS has no support for columns until version 3, which is only now beginning to get any browser support at all?
The only way to get columns is kludgy workarounds.
What were they thinking!
?Design issues aside, I usually end up with a page where there's a completely unexplainable pixel gap, or an element wrapping when it shouldn't, or some thing or another.
Usually, the only way I can solve these problems amounts to, basically, guess and check... maybe I'm an idiot, but the way CSS does layouts just won't fit in my head at all.Obligatory link to "CSS is awesome" mug: http://www.zazzle.com/css\_is\_awesome\_mug-168716435071981928 [zazzle.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_02_01_1419205.30987064</id>
	<title>Re:X in 24 hours</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1265019240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha! I learned C++ in 24 hours and now I write security sensitive applications!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha !
I learned C + + in 24 hours and now I write security sensitive applications !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!
I learned C++ in 24 hours and now I write security sensitive applications!</sentencetext>
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