<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_30_2021226</id>
	<title>Firefox Mobile Reaches 1.0</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1264843080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Majix writes <i>"<a href="http://www.mozilla.com/mobile">Firefox Mobile</a>, the mobile browser developed by Mozilla based on the same engine as in the recently released Firefox 3.6, has finally <a href="http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2010/01/29/firefox-for-maemo-now-available/">hit version 1.0</a>. The first device to be officially supported is the <a href="http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/">Nokia N900</a>. With a <a href="http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/features/">long list of features</a>, Firefox Mobile looks to be the most complete mobile browser to date. Highlights include the familiar Awesome Bar, Weave Sync for sharing your browser state between your PC and mobile, and of course tabbed browsing and Firefox add-ons. With the Nokia 900 and Firefox Mobile 1.0, even Flash content including the normal YouTube site is working, showing that a mobile browser does not have to equal a compromised Internet experience."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Majix writes " Firefox Mobile , the mobile browser developed by Mozilla based on the same engine as in the recently released Firefox 3.6 , has finally hit version 1.0 .
The first device to be officially supported is the Nokia N900 .
With a long list of features , Firefox Mobile looks to be the most complete mobile browser to date .
Highlights include the familiar Awesome Bar , Weave Sync for sharing your browser state between your PC and mobile , and of course tabbed browsing and Firefox add-ons .
With the Nokia 900 and Firefox Mobile 1.0 , even Flash content including the normal YouTube site is working , showing that a mobile browser does not have to equal a compromised Internet experience .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Majix writes "Firefox Mobile, the mobile browser developed by Mozilla based on the same engine as in the recently released Firefox 3.6, has finally hit version 1.0.
The first device to be officially supported is the Nokia N900.
With a long list of features, Firefox Mobile looks to be the most complete mobile browser to date.
Highlights include the familiar Awesome Bar, Weave Sync for sharing your browser state between your PC and mobile, and of course tabbed browsing and Firefox add-ons.
With the Nokia 900 and Firefox Mobile 1.0, even Flash content including the normal YouTube site is working, showing that a mobile browser does not have to equal a compromised Internet experience.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965716</id>
	<title>Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264848120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't care that a "mobile browser does not have to equal a compromised Internet experience."  My BlackBerry Bold is physically too large, in my opinion, yet the screen is far to small for me to give two winks about nice graphics or watching videos.  I have the largest battery that fits into a stock battery cover, so I don't want to deal with further battery limitations to process all that crap.  When I browse the Internet on the phone, I find myself wishing that more sites offered mobile versions, but only because the only thing I want is the content.  I can even do without pictures and graphics altogether.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care that a " mobile browser does not have to equal a compromised Internet experience .
" My BlackBerry Bold is physically too large , in my opinion , yet the screen is far to small for me to give two winks about nice graphics or watching videos .
I have the largest battery that fits into a stock battery cover , so I do n't want to deal with further battery limitations to process all that crap .
When I browse the Internet on the phone , I find myself wishing that more sites offered mobile versions , but only because the only thing I want is the content .
I can even do without pictures and graphics altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care that a "mobile browser does not have to equal a compromised Internet experience.
"  My BlackBerry Bold is physically too large, in my opinion, yet the screen is far to small for me to give two winks about nice graphics or watching videos.
I have the largest battery that fits into a stock battery cover, so I don't want to deal with further battery limitations to process all that crap.
When I browse the Internet on the phone, I find myself wishing that more sites offered mobile versions, but only because the only thing I want is the content.
I can even do without pictures and graphics altogether.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965860</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1264849260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>By far the path of least resistance.<br> <br>

The hard part of Firefox Mobile is the fact that Firefox itself has gotten a bit pudgy. All sorts of optimizing and cutting down and whatnot has been necessary to get it to fit on phone hardware(on the plus side, the fruits of this process should be applicable to just about any small embedded device, and possibly back to desktop Firefox). The second hard part is porting to all the various oddball environments running on different phones.<br> <br>

The N900 pretty much eliminates the second hard part; because Maemo is basically debian, complete with X and a fair slice of GTK(QT in the future), running on ARM. Its power is limited compared to your standard X86 PC; but it is otherwise probably the closest thing to a normal Linux environment that will ever be available to the general public in phone form(at least in the near future. OpenMoko is nearly dead, the hacks to get at the standard linux that runs under Android are hacks, and anything else is some tiny volume dev-board device.). This makes it a good environment for real-world testing of the effort to make Firefox work within mobile constraints, without the large effort of substantial porting.<br> <br>

I would assume that the long term plan does involve porting to more environments, because otherwise this is a whole lot of work to put into making sure that Maemo has a nicer browser; but each presents various difficulties. iPhone is almost certainly out, because Apple forbids alternate browsers(they do allow 3rd party programs that put a slightly different face on mobile Safari; but that isn't at all the same thing). Android wants everything done in the java-eque world of Dalvic, with minimal facility for running native Linux applications, so that would be a major porting effort. Symbian has substantial market share(at least for now); but it doesn't resemble any of the environments where Firefox already runs all that much(plus, more practically, S60 devices tend to have specs a bit behind the bleeding edge. The fact that this works is a feather in S60's cap; but if you have a browser that has some dieting to do, there isn't much point in porting until the dieting is done). It really remains to be seen if doing a WinMo port is worth it at all. If WinMo 7 turns out to be genuinely interesting, they probably will. If 7 is just more of 6, WinMo will likely just bleed away into a niche of tightly corporate-controlled Exchange appendages, and Corporate IT lockdown world has never really been Firefox's native habitat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>By far the path of least resistance .
The hard part of Firefox Mobile is the fact that Firefox itself has gotten a bit pudgy .
All sorts of optimizing and cutting down and whatnot has been necessary to get it to fit on phone hardware ( on the plus side , the fruits of this process should be applicable to just about any small embedded device , and possibly back to desktop Firefox ) .
The second hard part is porting to all the various oddball environments running on different phones .
The N900 pretty much eliminates the second hard part ; because Maemo is basically debian , complete with X and a fair slice of GTK ( QT in the future ) , running on ARM .
Its power is limited compared to your standard X86 PC ; but it is otherwise probably the closest thing to a normal Linux environment that will ever be available to the general public in phone form ( at least in the near future .
OpenMoko is nearly dead , the hacks to get at the standard linux that runs under Android are hacks , and anything else is some tiny volume dev-board device. ) .
This makes it a good environment for real-world testing of the effort to make Firefox work within mobile constraints , without the large effort of substantial porting .
I would assume that the long term plan does involve porting to more environments , because otherwise this is a whole lot of work to put into making sure that Maemo has a nicer browser ; but each presents various difficulties .
iPhone is almost certainly out , because Apple forbids alternate browsers ( they do allow 3rd party programs that put a slightly different face on mobile Safari ; but that is n't at all the same thing ) .
Android wants everything done in the java-eque world of Dalvic , with minimal facility for running native Linux applications , so that would be a major porting effort .
Symbian has substantial market share ( at least for now ) ; but it does n't resemble any of the environments where Firefox already runs all that much ( plus , more practically , S60 devices tend to have specs a bit behind the bleeding edge .
The fact that this works is a feather in S60 's cap ; but if you have a browser that has some dieting to do , there is n't much point in porting until the dieting is done ) .
It really remains to be seen if doing a WinMo port is worth it at all .
If WinMo 7 turns out to be genuinely interesting , they probably will .
If 7 is just more of 6 , WinMo will likely just bleed away into a niche of tightly corporate-controlled Exchange appendages , and Corporate IT lockdown world has never really been Firefox 's native habitat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By far the path of least resistance.
The hard part of Firefox Mobile is the fact that Firefox itself has gotten a bit pudgy.
All sorts of optimizing and cutting down and whatnot has been necessary to get it to fit on phone hardware(on the plus side, the fruits of this process should be applicable to just about any small embedded device, and possibly back to desktop Firefox).
The second hard part is porting to all the various oddball environments running on different phones.
The N900 pretty much eliminates the second hard part; because Maemo is basically debian, complete with X and a fair slice of GTK(QT in the future), running on ARM.
Its power is limited compared to your standard X86 PC; but it is otherwise probably the closest thing to a normal Linux environment that will ever be available to the general public in phone form(at least in the near future.
OpenMoko is nearly dead, the hacks to get at the standard linux that runs under Android are hacks, and anything else is some tiny volume dev-board device.).
This makes it a good environment for real-world testing of the effort to make Firefox work within mobile constraints, without the large effort of substantial porting.
I would assume that the long term plan does involve porting to more environments, because otherwise this is a whole lot of work to put into making sure that Maemo has a nicer browser; but each presents various difficulties.
iPhone is almost certainly out, because Apple forbids alternate browsers(they do allow 3rd party programs that put a slightly different face on mobile Safari; but that isn't at all the same thing).
Android wants everything done in the java-eque world of Dalvic, with minimal facility for running native Linux applications, so that would be a major porting effort.
Symbian has substantial market share(at least for now); but it doesn't resemble any of the environments where Firefox already runs all that much(plus, more practically, S60 devices tend to have specs a bit behind the bleeding edge.
The fact that this works is a feather in S60's cap; but if you have a browser that has some dieting to do, there isn't much point in porting until the dieting is done).
It really remains to be seen if doing a WinMo port is worth it at all.
If WinMo 7 turns out to be genuinely interesting, they probably will.
If 7 is just more of 6, WinMo will likely just bleed away into a niche of tightly corporate-controlled Exchange appendages, and Corporate IT lockdown world has never really been Firefox's native habitat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967918</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>AbRASiON</author>
	<datestamp>1264870440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any reason my informative post is moderated at 0? Seeing as I have experience dealing with both companies multiple times?<br>Someone hates apple, loves nokia or dislikes me - either way pal meta moderation is coming for you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any reason my informative post is moderated at 0 ?
Seeing as I have experience dealing with both companies multiple times ? Someone hates apple , loves nokia or dislikes me - either way pal meta moderation is coming for you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any reason my informative post is moderated at 0?
Seeing as I have experience dealing with both companies multiple times?Someone hates apple, loves nokia or dislikes me - either way pal meta moderation is coming for you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966022</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Quantumstate</author>
	<datestamp>1264850640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Android has a native development kit so you can use languages other than Java.  It is just primarily designed to use Java.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Android has a native development kit so you can use languages other than Java .
It is just primarily designed to use Java .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Android has a native development kit so you can use languages other than Java.
It is just primarily designed to use Java.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30969170</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1264937160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome though this is, I'm not sure why it's seen as such a new thing. The browser on the N800/N810 (non-phone predecessors to the N900) is Gecko-based and includes full Flash 9 support. It doesn't use XUL, which means that porting something like AdBlock Plus wasn't trivial, but it *was* done - i.e. you can't even argue that it doesn't support extensions (it just couldn't use un-modified Firefox extensions).</p><p>Granted, the version of Gecko on the last N800 I tried was outdated (1.6?) by modern standards, so definitely not as standards-compliant as Firefox 3.6, but it certainly worked well enough for most things (especially since this was 2 years ago).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome though this is , I 'm not sure why it 's seen as such a new thing .
The browser on the N800/N810 ( non-phone predecessors to the N900 ) is Gecko-based and includes full Flash 9 support .
It does n't use XUL , which means that porting something like AdBlock Plus was n't trivial , but it * was * done - i.e .
you ca n't even argue that it does n't support extensions ( it just could n't use un-modified Firefox extensions ) .Granted , the version of Gecko on the last N800 I tried was outdated ( 1.6 ?
) by modern standards , so definitely not as standards-compliant as Firefox 3.6 , but it certainly worked well enough for most things ( especially since this was 2 years ago ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome though this is, I'm not sure why it's seen as such a new thing.
The browser on the N800/N810 (non-phone predecessors to the N900) is Gecko-based and includes full Flash 9 support.
It doesn't use XUL, which means that porting something like AdBlock Plus wasn't trivial, but it *was* done - i.e.
you can't even argue that it doesn't support extensions (it just couldn't use un-modified Firefox extensions).Granted, the version of Gecko on the last N800 I tried was outdated (1.6?
) by modern standards, so definitely not as standards-compliant as Firefox 3.6, but it certainly worked well enough for most things (especially since this was 2 years ago).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965874</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264849380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the "minority" platform is among the most open and friendly to developers and also happens to be the most similar to one where Firefox is already available (desktop GNU/Linux with Gtk+).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the " minority " platform is among the most open and friendly to developers and also happens to be the most similar to one where Firefox is already available ( desktop GNU/Linux with Gtk + ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the "minority" platform is among the most open and friendly to developers and also happens to be the most similar to one where Firefox is already available (desktop GNU/Linux with Gtk+).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966644</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>zullnero</author>
	<datestamp>1264856340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1.  Because the N900 supports flash.
<br>
2.  Because the N900 doesn't have a capacitive touch screen.  It takes more work to build a browser that supports really good multitouch properly than just a traditional touch sensitive screen.  That said, the N900 does run Linux.  And other platforms already have decent enough browser solutions integrated into them.  Linux phones benefit from having a good open source web browser, iPhone or Android kind of have interests in promoting their parent company's browsers.
<br> <br>
And yes, Firefox Mobile isn't exactly what I'd call the "most complete" browser out there.  The term browser, on mobile devices, is very, very vague.  There is an OS like webOS that has a customized webKit based browser basically integrated throughout the UI on top of Linux, you've got Explorer which is a little less integrated throughout WM, then you have true third party solutions like Opera.  Calling one better than the other doesn't work so well, since an integrated browser is going to have an advantage no matter how you slice it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Because the N900 supports flash .
2. Because the N900 does n't have a capacitive touch screen .
It takes more work to build a browser that supports really good multitouch properly than just a traditional touch sensitive screen .
That said , the N900 does run Linux .
And other platforms already have decent enough browser solutions integrated into them .
Linux phones benefit from having a good open source web browser , iPhone or Android kind of have interests in promoting their parent company 's browsers .
And yes , Firefox Mobile is n't exactly what I 'd call the " most complete " browser out there .
The term browser , on mobile devices , is very , very vague .
There is an OS like webOS that has a customized webKit based browser basically integrated throughout the UI on top of Linux , you 've got Explorer which is a little less integrated throughout WM , then you have true third party solutions like Opera .
Calling one better than the other does n't work so well , since an integrated browser is going to have an advantage no matter how you slice it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Because the N900 supports flash.
2.  Because the N900 doesn't have a capacitive touch screen.
It takes more work to build a browser that supports really good multitouch properly than just a traditional touch sensitive screen.
That said, the N900 does run Linux.
And other platforms already have decent enough browser solutions integrated into them.
Linux phones benefit from having a good open source web browser, iPhone or Android kind of have interests in promoting their parent company's browsers.
And yes, Firefox Mobile isn't exactly what I'd call the "most complete" browser out there.
The term browser, on mobile devices, is very, very vague.
There is an OS like webOS that has a customized webKit based browser basically integrated throughout the UI on top of Linux, you've got Explorer which is a little less integrated throughout WM, then you have true third party solutions like Opera.
Calling one better than the other doesn't work so well, since an integrated browser is going to have an advantage no matter how you slice it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30975774</id>
	<title>Re:First impressions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264945020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is much more than a few seconds slower for me on my N900. MicroB starts up virtually instantly, and Firefox takes 19 seconds to fully load. It's slower in normal usage as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is much more than a few seconds slower for me on my N900 .
MicroB starts up virtually instantly , and Firefox takes 19 seconds to fully load .
It 's slower in normal usage as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is much more than a few seconds slower for me on my N900.
MicroB starts up virtually instantly, and Firefox takes 19 seconds to fully load.
It's slower in normal usage as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30969192</id>
	<title>Re:But Flash means a compromised mobile experience</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1264937580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The N800/N810 has had a Gecko-based browser since 2008, with full Flash support (version 9, not the "lite" crap). Both AdBlock Plus and Flashblock were ported to this browser. While the ability to use un-modified Firefox extensions would be nice (the older browser doesn't include XUL), the idea isn't so new.</p><p>That said, yes, playing Flash hurt the battery life significantly. With normal browsing (including ABP so no Flash ads), you could get 7 hours continuous use pretty easily. Hit YouTube or Pandora.com, though, and it dropped to more like 2 hours (although it could run both sites, if slowly - loading Pandora took about 10 seconds). It also used enough RAM that having much else open at once would be pretty slow, although it was possible (SD card configured to act as swap).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The N800/N810 has had a Gecko-based browser since 2008 , with full Flash support ( version 9 , not the " lite " crap ) .
Both AdBlock Plus and Flashblock were ported to this browser .
While the ability to use un-modified Firefox extensions would be nice ( the older browser does n't include XUL ) , the idea is n't so new.That said , yes , playing Flash hurt the battery life significantly .
With normal browsing ( including ABP so no Flash ads ) , you could get 7 hours continuous use pretty easily .
Hit YouTube or Pandora.com , though , and it dropped to more like 2 hours ( although it could run both sites , if slowly - loading Pandora took about 10 seconds ) .
It also used enough RAM that having much else open at once would be pretty slow , although it was possible ( SD card configured to act as swap ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The N800/N810 has had a Gecko-based browser since 2008, with full Flash support (version 9, not the "lite" crap).
Both AdBlock Plus and Flashblock were ported to this browser.
While the ability to use un-modified Firefox extensions would be nice (the older browser doesn't include XUL), the idea isn't so new.That said, yes, playing Flash hurt the battery life significantly.
With normal browsing (including ABP so no Flash ads), you could get 7 hours continuous use pretty easily.
Hit YouTube or Pandora.com, though, and it dropped to more like 2 hours (although it could run both sites, if slowly - loading Pandora took about 10 seconds).
It also used enough RAM that having much else open at once would be pretty slow, although it was possible (SD card configured to act as swap).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965790</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1264848720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't Apple still prohibit 3rd-party web browsers on iPhone because they would directly compete with software offered by Apple?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't Apple still prohibit 3rd-party web browsers on iPhone because they would directly compete with software offered by Apple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't Apple still prohibit 3rd-party web browsers on iPhone because they would directly compete with software offered by Apple?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966994</id>
	<title>Re:How about the iPad?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1264859520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you want to? Even far cheaper netbooks have the power to run full blown browsers like the normal Firefox. If the Ipad can't do that, more fool anyone who buys it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you want to ?
Even far cheaper netbooks have the power to run full blown browsers like the normal Firefox .
If the Ipad ca n't do that , more fool anyone who buys it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you want to?
Even far cheaper netbooks have the power to run full blown browsers like the normal Firefox.
If the Ipad can't do that, more fool anyone who buys it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965654</id>
	<title>??? Ok then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264847460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Firefox Mobile looks to be the most complete mobile browser to date."</p><p>Perhaps if you ignore Opera, Safari and Netfront..  Otherwise, from what I have seen, it mostly sucks pretty bad...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Firefox Mobile looks to be the most complete mobile browser to date .
" Perhaps if you ignore Opera , Safari and Netfront.. Otherwise , from what I have seen , it mostly sucks pretty bad.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Firefox Mobile looks to be the most complete mobile browser to date.
"Perhaps if you ignore Opera, Safari and Netfront..  Otherwise, from what I have seen, it mostly sucks pretty bad...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965594</id>
	<title>One device?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264846980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They released version 1.0 and that's all they support? A whole one device?</p><p>More development needed methinks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They released version 1.0 and that 's all they support ?
A whole one device ? More development needed methinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They released version 1.0 and that's all they support?
A whole one device?More development needed methinks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965630</id>
	<title>I want one...</title>
	<author>psYchotic87</author>
	<datestamp>1264847280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This makes me want a Nokia N900 even more. I'm desperate for one. Unfortunately, these things cost a shitload of money (even on ebay, I can't find one cheaper than about $520).  This thing has WIFI, which is all I really need, but if I decide to get one with a plan, I'll be robbed blind because there's no way to get one without an online plan that costs $10/month. Mobile phone service providers need to stop robbing us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes me want a Nokia N900 even more .
I 'm desperate for one .
Unfortunately , these things cost a shitload of money ( even on ebay , I ca n't find one cheaper than about $ 520 ) .
This thing has WIFI , which is all I really need , but if I decide to get one with a plan , I 'll be robbed blind because there 's no way to get one without an online plan that costs $ 10/month .
Mobile phone service providers need to stop robbing us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes me want a Nokia N900 even more.
I'm desperate for one.
Unfortunately, these things cost a shitload of money (even on ebay, I can't find one cheaper than about $520).
This thing has WIFI, which is all I really need, but if I decide to get one with a plan, I'll be robbed blind because there's no way to get one without an online plan that costs $10/month.
Mobile phone service providers need to stop robbing us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967982</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264871280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because Nokia already did the hard work?  It's a normal Linux device, runs on GTK, and the built in browser (MicroB) is Mozilla based, which means they already have all the work done to build the core browser.  Whip up a UI, make some tweaks because they can, and release!</p><p>Well, their choice of implementation for the UI actually made a bit of back end work necessary - the sort of thing Nokia wouldn't be able to do because they don't control Gecko development.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because Nokia already did the hard work ?
It 's a normal Linux device , runs on GTK , and the built in browser ( MicroB ) is Mozilla based , which means they already have all the work done to build the core browser .
Whip up a UI , make some tweaks because they can , and release ! Well , their choice of implementation for the UI actually made a bit of back end work necessary - the sort of thing Nokia would n't be able to do because they do n't control Gecko development .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because Nokia already did the hard work?
It's a normal Linux device, runs on GTK, and the built in browser (MicroB) is Mozilla based, which means they already have all the work done to build the core browser.
Whip up a UI, make some tweaks because they can, and release!Well, their choice of implementation for the UI actually made a bit of back end work necessary - the sort of thing Nokia wouldn't be able to do because they don't control Gecko development.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965830</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>rinoid</author>
	<datestamp>1264849080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once I can run Flash, Firebug, FlashBlock<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh wait!
<br> <br>
Face it -- 90\% of Flash usage is video (not necessary) and conceited designs (not needed) both of which can be done without Flash.
The other 10\% - games - it is great at that but native platforms are stronger. An iPhone game takes advantage of the iron, Flash could not.
<br> <br>
Annoying uses of flash: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/1256171@N20/pool/" title="flickr.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/groups/1256171@N20/pool/</a> [flickr.com]
Add yours too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once I can run Flash , Firebug , FlashBlock ... oh wait !
Face it -- 90 \ % of Flash usage is video ( not necessary ) and conceited designs ( not needed ) both of which can be done without Flash .
The other 10 \ % - games - it is great at that but native platforms are stronger .
An iPhone game takes advantage of the iron , Flash could not .
Annoying uses of flash : http : //www.flickr.com/groups/1256171 @ N20/pool/ [ flickr.com ] Add yours too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once I can run Flash, Firebug, FlashBlock ... oh wait!
Face it -- 90\% of Flash usage is video (not necessary) and conceited designs (not needed) both of which can be done without Flash.
The other 10\% - games - it is great at that but native platforms are stronger.
An iPhone game takes advantage of the iron, Flash could not.
Annoying uses of flash: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1256171@N20/pool/ [flickr.com]
Add yours too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966504</id>
	<title>Re:I want one...</title>
	<author>VoltageX</author>
	<datestamp>1264855200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait. From what I see in the community, it looks like Nokia will be dropping the N900 in favour of a yet unreleased Maemo 6 device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait .
From what I see in the community , it looks like Nokia will be dropping the N900 in favour of a yet unreleased Maemo 6 device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait.
From what I see in the community, it looks like Nokia will be dropping the N900 in favour of a yet unreleased Maemo 6 device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30968868</id>
	<title>Re:No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1264930500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I'll stay with Opera, which already runs very nicely.</i>
<p>
Which version of Opera runs on all of those platforms? As far as I can tell Opera Mobile is only available for Nokia &amp; Windows Mobile platforms (same targets as Mozilla is aiming for).
</p><p>
Java systems are stuck with Opera Mini which is basically a dumb client with a server backend that does a decent job rendering but comes with a whole pile of limitations.
</p><p>
And both versions of Opera are in the same boat as Mozilla is for the iPhone. Apple's ridiculous restrictions prevent either browser being offered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll stay with Opera , which already runs very nicely .
Which version of Opera runs on all of those platforms ?
As far as I can tell Opera Mobile is only available for Nokia &amp; Windows Mobile platforms ( same targets as Mozilla is aiming for ) .
Java systems are stuck with Opera Mini which is basically a dumb client with a server backend that does a decent job rendering but comes with a whole pile of limitations .
And both versions of Opera are in the same boat as Mozilla is for the iPhone .
Apple 's ridiculous restrictions prevent either browser being offered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll stay with Opera, which already runs very nicely.
Which version of Opera runs on all of those platforms?
As far as I can tell Opera Mobile is only available for Nokia &amp; Windows Mobile platforms (same targets as Mozilla is aiming for).
Java systems are stuck with Opera Mini which is basically a dumb client with a server backend that does a decent job rendering but comes with a whole pile of limitations.
And both versions of Opera are in the same boat as Mozilla is for the iPhone.
Apple's ridiculous restrictions prevent either browser being offered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965584</id>
	<title>How about the iPad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264846800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will this thing run on the iPad?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this thing run on the iPad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this thing run on the iPad?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966044</id>
	<title>Two More Versions Until It's Crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264850760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Based on Firefox desktop and Thunderbird this should be fairly good for at version 1.0, great at version 2.0 and then version 3.0 will be utterly terrible and will force you to switch to something else.</p><p>I switched to Opera when Firefox 3.0 and have found it to be better than even Firefox 2.0 was.  I've also switched to using GMail through the web interface instead through Thunderbird.  I have to say I preferred Thunderbird 2.0 to GMail but GMail is far better than Thunderbird 3.0.</p><p>Mozilla really should stop developing at 2.0 since that seems to be the point by which they've implemented all their good ideas and after that they only add crap features and bloat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on Firefox desktop and Thunderbird this should be fairly good for at version 1.0 , great at version 2.0 and then version 3.0 will be utterly terrible and will force you to switch to something else.I switched to Opera when Firefox 3.0 and have found it to be better than even Firefox 2.0 was .
I 've also switched to using GMail through the web interface instead through Thunderbird .
I have to say I preferred Thunderbird 2.0 to GMail but GMail is far better than Thunderbird 3.0.Mozilla really should stop developing at 2.0 since that seems to be the point by which they 've implemented all their good ideas and after that they only add crap features and bloat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on Firefox desktop and Thunderbird this should be fairly good for at version 1.0, great at version 2.0 and then version 3.0 will be utterly terrible and will force you to switch to something else.I switched to Opera when Firefox 3.0 and have found it to be better than even Firefox 2.0 was.
I've also switched to using GMail through the web interface instead through Thunderbird.
I have to say I preferred Thunderbird 2.0 to GMail but GMail is far better than Thunderbird 3.0.Mozilla really should stop developing at 2.0 since that seems to be the point by which they've implemented all their good ideas and after that they only add crap features and bloat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965696</id>
	<title>Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264847940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why select a minority platform with no devices?  Surely someone sane would develop for S60 and perhaps iPhone first (perhaps because Safari probably quite entrenched with iPhone users).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why select a minority platform with no devices ?
Surely someone sane would develop for S60 and perhaps iPhone first ( perhaps because Safari probably quite entrenched with iPhone users ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why select a minority platform with no devices?
Surely someone sane would develop for S60 and perhaps iPhone first (perhaps because Safari probably quite entrenched with iPhone users).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30969842</id>
	<title>Re:First impressions</title>
	<author>vinsci</author>
	<datestamp>1264947660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zooming with Ctrl-up and Ctrl-down works perfectly.</p><p>If your physical keyboard layout have the up/down keys in blue, like mine, you must also press the blue arrow together with Ctrl (easy as they are next to each other), otherwise you're really typing Ctrl-left or Ctrl-right.</p><p>While at first it seems handy that the N900 built-in browser, Microb, uses the volume control buttons for easy zooming, it's not so great once you'd actually like to change the volume quickly. (You'd have to use the desktop status area volume control in Microb.) Since some will prefer that anyway, a preference setting may be in place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zooming with Ctrl-up and Ctrl-down works perfectly.If your physical keyboard layout have the up/down keys in blue , like mine , you must also press the blue arrow together with Ctrl ( easy as they are next to each other ) , otherwise you 're really typing Ctrl-left or Ctrl-right.While at first it seems handy that the N900 built-in browser , Microb , uses the volume control buttons for easy zooming , it 's not so great once you 'd actually like to change the volume quickly .
( You 'd have to use the desktop status area volume control in Microb .
) Since some will prefer that anyway , a preference setting may be in place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zooming with Ctrl-up and Ctrl-down works perfectly.If your physical keyboard layout have the up/down keys in blue, like mine, you must also press the blue arrow together with Ctrl (easy as they are next to each other), otherwise you're really typing Ctrl-left or Ctrl-right.While at first it seems handy that the N900 built-in browser, Microb, uses the volume control buttons for easy zooming, it's not so great once you'd actually like to change the volume quickly.
(You'd have to use the desktop status area volume control in Microb.
) Since some will prefer that anyway, a preference setting may be in place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966066</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1264850880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian</p></div><p>Er, I think you'll find that Symbian outnumbers Windows Mobile / Maemo combined by a very great distance indeed.</p><p>I'm not a great fan of Opera Mobile, partly because I've got so used to Opera Mini which I think is fantastic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than SymbianEr , I think you 'll find that Symbian outnumbers Windows Mobile / Maemo combined by a very great distance indeed.I 'm not a great fan of Opera Mobile , partly because I 've got so used to Opera Mini which I think is fantastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than SymbianEr, I think you'll find that Symbian outnumbers Windows Mobile / Maemo combined by a very great distance indeed.I'm not a great fan of Opera Mobile, partly because I've got so used to Opera Mini which I think is fantastic.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30977992</id>
	<title>Re:No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1264966680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Opera Mobile is available for Symbian, which Firefox will ignore. They also had an iPhone version, but Apple refused to let them add it to the app store. It's already on Android Market. And Opera Mini isn't just a dumbed-down version. It does incredible things considering the way it works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera Mobile is available for Symbian , which Firefox will ignore .
They also had an iPhone version , but Apple refused to let them add it to the app store .
It 's already on Android Market .
And Opera Mini is n't just a dumbed-down version .
It does incredible things considering the way it works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opera Mobile is available for Symbian, which Firefox will ignore.
They also had an iPhone version, but Apple refused to let them add it to the app store.
It's already on Android Market.
And Opera Mini isn't just a dumbed-down version.
It does incredible things considering the way it works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966342</id>
	<title>Useless to me</title>
	<author>frank249</author>
	<datestamp>1264853580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So according to <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms" title="mozilla.org">Mozilla.org</a> [mozilla.org]:</p><p><i>Firefox for iPhone<br>We do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.</i></p><p><i>Firefox for Blackberry<br>Sorry, no plans. Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components, Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.</i></p><p><i>Firefox for Symbian<br>We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform. </i></p><p>So, not available for iPhone, Blackberry and Symbian?  Thats what, 3/4 of the smartphone market?</p><p>Its a shame as the Blackberry needs a decent browser.  Opera Mini 5 is ok but I guess I will have to wait for <a href="http://www.skyfire.com/" title="skyfire.com">Skyfire</a> [skyfire.com] for flash support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So according to Mozilla.org [ mozilla.org ] : Firefox for iPhoneWe do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.Firefox for BlackberrySorry , no plans .
Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components , Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.Firefox for SymbianWe currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform .
So , not available for iPhone , Blackberry and Symbian ?
Thats what , 3/4 of the smartphone market ? Its a shame as the Blackberry needs a decent browser .
Opera Mini 5 is ok but I guess I will have to wait for Skyfire [ skyfire.com ] for flash support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So according to Mozilla.org [mozilla.org]:Firefox for iPhoneWe do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.Firefox for BlackberrySorry, no plans.
Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components, Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.Firefox for SymbianWe currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.
So, not available for iPhone, Blackberry and Symbian?
Thats what, 3/4 of the smartphone market?Its a shame as the Blackberry needs a decent browser.
Opera Mini 5 is ok but I guess I will have to wait for Skyfire [skyfire.com] for flash support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965934</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264849980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that web developers work for the marketing arm, and nothing says success like shiny.  All the demos and development, I'm certain, are run on large monitors with a local connection to the server.  hey really ought to require all web developers to run on a 100kb connection with 150ms ping times, with a P-III-350 machine. Only then will you get a set of web pages which will be tolerable on smaller devices.</p><p>Take a look at Rainforest Cafe's website. If you don't have flash, they don't want you - period. No way to get restaurant locations or information (heaven forbid you should want to check that on your mobile) at all without flash.  Look at any major website - NYT, eBay,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. - you're loading hundreds of kilobytes of css definitions before you even get to page contents.</p><p>I have the same rule today with my companies website I had 7 years ago when I started: Every page should load in 10 seconds or less on a 56k dialup connection.  It won't be great on a mobile device, but its very viewable - and usable. People still complement me on my site, despite it being out of date, and I suspect it's because (1) it's pretty (2) everything is easy to find and (3) it loads almost instantly on just about any connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that web developers work for the marketing arm , and nothing says success like shiny .
All the demos and development , I 'm certain , are run on large monitors with a local connection to the server .
hey really ought to require all web developers to run on a 100kb connection with 150ms ping times , with a P-III-350 machine .
Only then will you get a set of web pages which will be tolerable on smaller devices.Take a look at Rainforest Cafe 's website .
If you do n't have flash , they do n't want you - period .
No way to get restaurant locations or information ( heaven forbid you should want to check that on your mobile ) at all without flash .
Look at any major website - NYT , eBay , / .
- you 're loading hundreds of kilobytes of css definitions before you even get to page contents.I have the same rule today with my companies website I had 7 years ago when I started : Every page should load in 10 seconds or less on a 56k dialup connection .
It wo n't be great on a mobile device , but its very viewable - and usable .
People still complement me on my site , despite it being out of date , and I suspect it 's because ( 1 ) it 's pretty ( 2 ) everything is easy to find and ( 3 ) it loads almost instantly on just about any connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that web developers work for the marketing arm, and nothing says success like shiny.
All the demos and development, I'm certain, are run on large monitors with a local connection to the server.
hey really ought to require all web developers to run on a 100kb connection with 150ms ping times, with a P-III-350 machine.
Only then will you get a set of web pages which will be tolerable on smaller devices.Take a look at Rainforest Cafe's website.
If you don't have flash, they don't want you - period.
No way to get restaurant locations or information (heaven forbid you should want to check that on your mobile) at all without flash.
Look at any major website - NYT, eBay, /.
- you're loading hundreds of kilobytes of css definitions before you even get to page contents.I have the same rule today with my companies website I had 7 years ago when I started: Every page should load in 10 seconds or less on a 56k dialup connection.
It won't be great on a mobile device, but its very viewable - and usable.
People still complement me on my site, despite it being out of date, and I suspect it's because (1) it's pretty (2) everything is easy to find and (3) it loads almost instantly on just about any connection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966296</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264853040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why select a minority platform with no devices?</p></div><p>Why select a piece of shit platform with lots of devices so that your first impression is awful?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why select a minority platform with no devices ? Why select a piece of shit platform with lots of devices so that your first impression is awful ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why select a minority platform with no devices?Why select a piece of shit platform with lots of devices so that your first impression is awful?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965852</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264849200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to <a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms" title="mozilla.org">this</a> [mozilla.org] page they aren't targeting blackberry at all. They say that it's a problem that the platform is based on Java, which seems strange to me since they are working on an Android version and that is also a java based platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to this [ mozilla.org ] page they are n't targeting blackberry at all .
They say that it 's a problem that the platform is based on Java , which seems strange to me since they are working on an Android version and that is also a java based platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to this [mozilla.org] page they aren't targeting blackberry at all.
They say that it's a problem that the platform is based on Java, which seems strange to me since they are working on an Android version and that is also a java based platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966726</id>
	<title>Re:First impressions</title>
	<author>jspenguin1</author>
	<datestamp>1264857000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You also can't use long press to open a menu on a link. No portrait mode, no drag from left to hover, no select mode.</p><p>Until Firefox implements these, I'll stick with the Maemo browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You also ca n't use long press to open a menu on a link .
No portrait mode , no drag from left to hover , no select mode.Until Firefox implements these , I 'll stick with the Maemo browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You also can't use long press to open a menu on a link.
No portrait mode, no drag from left to hover, no select mode.Until Firefox implements these, I'll stick with the Maemo browser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966196</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>tsa</author>
	<datestamp>1264852020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first <a href="https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n900isyncplugin/" title="maemo.org">iSync plugin for the N900</a> [maemo.org] came out 6 days ago. Now FF 1.0 is also out for it, I don't think it will be too long before I buy one. That thing really blows the iPhone away. But I still need it to be able to sync with my Mac.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first iSync plugin for the N900 [ maemo.org ] came out 6 days ago .
Now FF 1.0 is also out for it , I do n't think it will be too long before I buy one .
That thing really blows the iPhone away .
But I still need it to be able to sync with my Mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first iSync plugin for the N900 [maemo.org] came out 6 days ago.
Now FF 1.0 is also out for it, I don't think it will be too long before I buy one.
That thing really blows the iPhone away.
But I still need it to be able to sync with my Mac.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965582</id>
	<title>To whom it may concern:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264846740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am convinced that Jews did WTC, but I have no hard evidence to support this.</p><p>Please advise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am convinced that Jews did WTC , but I have no hard evidence to support this.Please advise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am convinced that Jews did WTC, but I have no hard evidence to support this.Please advise.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30999968</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>jfanning</author>
	<datestamp>1265143140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The N900 already has a excellent FF based browser in MicroB. It is also much faster than FF Mobile. And it also supports several plug-ins already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The N900 already has a excellent FF based browser in MicroB .
It is also much faster than FF Mobile .
And it also supports several plug-ins already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The N900 already has a excellent FF based browser in MicroB.
It is also much faster than FF Mobile.
And it also supports several plug-ins already.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965662</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965816</id>
	<title>"even flash"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264848960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They talk like this is a new thing for mobile platforms, but I've had Flash on my N800 for years and years now.  I know that isn't the only mobile platform with Flash support.  Why does everyone pretend it's something new to mobile computing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They talk like this is a new thing for mobile platforms , but I 've had Flash on my N800 for years and years now .
I know that is n't the only mobile platform with Flash support .
Why does everyone pretend it 's something new to mobile computing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They talk like this is a new thing for mobile platforms, but I've had Flash on my N800 for years and years now.
I know that isn't the only mobile platform with Flash support.
Why does everyone pretend it's something new to mobile computing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30978004</id>
	<title>Re:Useless to me</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1264966860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about Skyfire... The Flash support is pretty crappy. Videos are like watching slideshows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about Skyfire... The Flash support is pretty crappy .
Videos are like watching slideshows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about Skyfire... The Flash support is pretty crappy.
Videos are like watching slideshows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966342</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30977102</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264956900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Any reason my informative post is moderated at 0?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Because your "informative" (snicker) post deserves it.<br> <br>

You fail to inform us of anything except your unsubstantiated bias.<br> <br>

I've never had to deal with Nokia support, ever in the 10 years I owned Nokia phones. This includes one Nokia I purchased in the Philipines, if you don't know what happens to refurbished Nokia's from first world nations, they go to be re-sold in 3rd world nations cheaply. So I cant say how good or bad Nokia support is.<br> <br>

Now Apple on the other hand, they took 5 days to replace a faulty PSU in an Imac, they also couldn't find anything wrong with a Macbook and tried to charge me for taking a look at it. Upon further inspection, there appeared to be water damage on the RAM, seeing as the user who had this laptop previously had left the organisation it became a rather pricey doorstop. How the Genius's at Apple missed this one is beyond me. BTW, I've only had the misfortune of dealing with Apple for the last 3 years.<br> <br>

As others have said, the plural of anecdote is not data. You failed to substantiate your anecdotes with even circumstantial evidence or conjecture, further more you label anyone who disagrees with you as an "Apple Hater" or "Cry Baby". Clearly the moderation system has already dealt with you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any reason my informative post is moderated at 0 ?
Because your " informative " ( snicker ) post deserves it .
You fail to inform us of anything except your unsubstantiated bias .
I 've never had to deal with Nokia support , ever in the 10 years I owned Nokia phones .
This includes one Nokia I purchased in the Philipines , if you do n't know what happens to refurbished Nokia 's from first world nations , they go to be re-sold in 3rd world nations cheaply .
So I cant say how good or bad Nokia support is .
Now Apple on the other hand , they took 5 days to replace a faulty PSU in an Imac , they also could n't find anything wrong with a Macbook and tried to charge me for taking a look at it .
Upon further inspection , there appeared to be water damage on the RAM , seeing as the user who had this laptop previously had left the organisation it became a rather pricey doorstop .
How the Genius 's at Apple missed this one is beyond me .
BTW , I 've only had the misfortune of dealing with Apple for the last 3 years .
As others have said , the plural of anecdote is not data .
You failed to substantiate your anecdotes with even circumstantial evidence or conjecture , further more you label anyone who disagrees with you as an " Apple Hater " or " Cry Baby " .
Clearly the moderation system has already dealt with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any reason my informative post is moderated at 0?
Because your "informative" (snicker) post deserves it.
You fail to inform us of anything except your unsubstantiated bias.
I've never had to deal with Nokia support, ever in the 10 years I owned Nokia phones.
This includes one Nokia I purchased in the Philipines, if you don't know what happens to refurbished Nokia's from first world nations, they go to be re-sold in 3rd world nations cheaply.
So I cant say how good or bad Nokia support is.
Now Apple on the other hand, they took 5 days to replace a faulty PSU in an Imac, they also couldn't find anything wrong with a Macbook and tried to charge me for taking a look at it.
Upon further inspection, there appeared to be water damage on the RAM, seeing as the user who had this laptop previously had left the organisation it became a rather pricey doorstop.
How the Genius's at Apple missed this one is beyond me.
BTW, I've only had the misfortune of dealing with Apple for the last 3 years.
As others have said, the plural of anecdote is not data.
You failed to substantiate your anecdotes with even circumstantial evidence or conjecture, further more you label anyone who disagrees with you as an "Apple Hater" or "Cry Baby".
Clearly the moderation system has already dealt with you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967918</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967442</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Theril</author>
	<datestamp>1264863660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nobody sane would voluntarily develop anything for Symbian. It's most probably the worst and most hostile environment for development ever created.</p><p>For some evidence to my claim see how many open source projects there are for Symbian comparing to it's market share.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody sane would voluntarily develop anything for Symbian .
It 's most probably the worst and most hostile environment for development ever created.For some evidence to my claim see how many open source projects there are for Symbian comparing to it 's market share .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody sane would voluntarily develop anything for Symbian.
It's most probably the worst and most hostile environment for development ever created.For some evidence to my claim see how many open source projects there are for Symbian comparing to it's market share.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965696</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965946</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1264850040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple prohibits any apps that complete with their offerings.  So no browsers other than Safari.</p></div><p>Actually, that's not at all accurate.  There are several other browsers in the App Store.  The catch, of course, is that Apple won't allow interpreters, so you would just need to use the system Javascript library which Safari uses.  I can understand how this would be too restrictive for Mozilla to spend much effort on an iPhone port, but to say that Apple doesn't allow browsers because they compete with their own offerings is clearly not true.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple prohibits any apps that complete with their offerings .
So no browsers other than Safari.Actually , that 's not at all accurate .
There are several other browsers in the App Store .
The catch , of course , is that Apple wo n't allow interpreters , so you would just need to use the system Javascript library which Safari uses .
I can understand how this would be too restrictive for Mozilla to spend much effort on an iPhone port , but to say that Apple does n't allow browsers because they compete with their own offerings is clearly not true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple prohibits any apps that complete with their offerings.
So no browsers other than Safari.Actually, that's not at all accurate.
There are several other browsers in the App Store.
The catch, of course, is that Apple won't allow interpreters, so you would just need to use the system Javascript library which Safari uses.
I can understand how this would be too restrictive for Mozilla to spend much effort on an iPhone port, but to say that Apple doesn't allow browsers because they compete with their own offerings is clearly not true.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966452</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264854720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I can tell, Opera Mobile hasn't been released for the Maemo platform yet (at least not in any of the catalogs I've added)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I can tell , Opera Mobile has n't been released for the Maemo platform yet ( at least not in any of the catalogs I 've added )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I can tell, Opera Mobile hasn't been released for the Maemo platform yet (at least not in any of the catalogs I've added)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967156</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1264860720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right about Symbian, but the Iphone's market share is way behind. I have no idea how it compares to Maemo (do you have a source?), but there are plenty of other platforms they ought to support before the Iphone, if market share was their concern.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right about Symbian , but the Iphone 's market share is way behind .
I have no idea how it compares to Maemo ( do you have a source ?
) , but there are plenty of other platforms they ought to support before the Iphone , if market share was their concern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right about Symbian, but the Iphone's market share is way behind.
I have no idea how it compares to Maemo (do you have a source?
), but there are plenty of other platforms they ought to support before the Iphone, if market share was their concern.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965696</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30975826</id>
	<title>Re:No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264945500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maemo is an offspring of Debian Linux, so it was probably much easier to port linux firefox to a linux phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maemo is an offspring of Debian Linux , so it was probably much easier to port linux firefox to a linux phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maemo is an offspring of Debian Linux, so it was probably much easier to port linux firefox to a linux phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967858</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30971344</id>
	<title>Re:No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>Rexdude</author>
	<datestamp>1264961700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not Symbian? It's the most widely used mobile platform in the world, which is considerably bigger than the US.<br>And there's no lame restrictions on what can or cannot be done, there's a full Carbide C++ SDK for native apps (for S60) and there's been <a href="http://getjar.com/" title="getjar.com">heaps of apps</a> [getjar.com] since 2002 that nobody in the USA has ever heard of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not Symbian ?
It 's the most widely used mobile platform in the world , which is considerably bigger than the US.And there 's no lame restrictions on what can or can not be done , there 's a full Carbide C + + SDK for native apps ( for S60 ) and there 's been heaps of apps [ getjar.com ] since 2002 that nobody in the USA has ever heard of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not Symbian?
It's the most widely used mobile platform in the world, which is considerably bigger than the US.And there's no lame restrictions on what can or cannot be done, there's a full Carbide C++ SDK for native apps (for S60) and there's been heaps of apps [getjar.com] since 2002 that nobody in the USA has ever heard of.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967858</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966582</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>MyFirstNameIsPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1264855860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>nothing says success like shiny.</p></div><p>I wonder if they ever compare their 'success' with sites like Wikipedia, craigslist and Google?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>nothing says success like shiny.I wonder if they ever compare their 'success ' with sites like Wikipedia , craigslist and Google ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nothing says success like shiny.I wonder if they ever compare their 'success' with sites like Wikipedia, craigslist and Google?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965934</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966028</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1264850640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian.....</p></div><p>For one thing, what kind of CPU and RAM are in typical S60 phones compared to Maemo devices? For another, Maemo is much more similar to an existing supported platform (Debian GNU/Linux) than Symbian is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian.....For one thing , what kind of CPU and RAM are in typical S60 phones compared to Maemo devices ?
For another , Maemo is much more similar to an existing supported platform ( Debian GNU/Linux ) than Symbian is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian.....For one thing, what kind of CPU and RAM are in typical S60 phones compared to Maemo devices?
For another, Maemo is much more similar to an existing supported platform (Debian GNU/Linux) than Symbian is.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965868</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967236</id>
	<title>Uh, netbooks anyone?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264861500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The desktop versions are intended for development purposes only.</p></div> </blockquote><p>WTF? Uh, the N900 is a minuscule segment compared to netbooks, which need a lighter-weight browser (prism does <em>not</em> count) at least as much as the N900. FAIL, FAIL.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The desktop versions are intended for development purposes only .
WTF ? Uh , the N900 is a minuscule segment compared to netbooks , which need a lighter-weight browser ( prism does not count ) at least as much as the N900 .
FAIL , FAIL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The desktop versions are intended for development purposes only.
WTF? Uh, the N900 is a minuscule segment compared to netbooks, which need a lighter-weight browser (prism does not count) at least as much as the N900.
FAIL, FAIL.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30977222</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264957980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That being said, why didn't they target blackberry first?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Simple answer, Maemo is Linux, Blackberry is WinCE. It was easier and faster for them to port their X86 Linux code to ARM Linux code then it was for them to write WinCE ARM code.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , why did n't they target blackberry first ?
Simple answer , Maemo is Linux , Blackberry is WinCE .
It was easier and faster for them to port their X86 Linux code to ARM Linux code then it was for them to write WinCE ARM code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, why didn't they target blackberry first?
Simple answer, Maemo is Linux, Blackberry is WinCE.
It was easier and faster for them to port their X86 Linux code to ARM Linux code then it was for them to write WinCE ARM code.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965794</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965710</id>
	<title>Nokia N810?</title>
	<author>TejWC</author>
	<datestamp>1264848060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read on the website that it can be installed for the N810 as well but I can't find the easy "Install" button anywhere.</p><p>Does anybody know how good the performance is on the N810? The built-in Firefox browser is OK (terrible at javascript though) and I am wondering if this mobile version is any better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read on the website that it can be installed for the N810 as well but I ca n't find the easy " Install " button anywhere.Does anybody know how good the performance is on the N810 ?
The built-in Firefox browser is OK ( terrible at javascript though ) and I am wondering if this mobile version is any better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read on the website that it can be installed for the N810 as well but I can't find the easy "Install" button anywhere.Does anybody know how good the performance is on the N810?
The built-in Firefox browser is OK (terrible at javascript though) and I am wondering if this mobile version is any better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966086</id>
	<title>Re:I want one...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264851000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never even considered actually "buying" a cellphone. I basically only carried one for emergencies and was satisfied with whatever came with the service. That was until I heard about the N900. I've had mine for over a month now and I got to say, the thing just rocks and was worth every penny.</p><p>Not only does it all the features you would expect from a smartphone such as web browsing, playing media, shooting pictures and video etc., but it also can receive and transmit FM radio and has TV out.</p><p>As far as software goes, besides what's available in the standard, extras, and testing repos, after installing an "EasyDebian" chroot you can run just about anything on it. I haven't carried my laptop since I bought the thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never even considered actually " buying " a cellphone .
I basically only carried one for emergencies and was satisfied with whatever came with the service .
That was until I heard about the N900 .
I 've had mine for over a month now and I got to say , the thing just rocks and was worth every penny.Not only does it all the features you would expect from a smartphone such as web browsing , playing media , shooting pictures and video etc. , but it also can receive and transmit FM radio and has TV out.As far as software goes , besides what 's available in the standard , extras , and testing repos , after installing an " EasyDebian " chroot you can run just about anything on it .
I have n't carried my laptop since I bought the thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never even considered actually "buying" a cellphone.
I basically only carried one for emergencies and was satisfied with whatever came with the service.
That was until I heard about the N900.
I've had mine for over a month now and I got to say, the thing just rocks and was worth every penny.Not only does it all the features you would expect from a smartphone such as web browsing, playing media, shooting pictures and video etc., but it also can receive and transmit FM radio and has TV out.As far as software goes, besides what's available in the standard, extras, and testing repos, after installing an "EasyDebian" chroot you can run just about anything on it.
I haven't carried my laptop since I bought the thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965630</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965800</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>marmoute</author>
	<datestamp>1264848780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The N900 is not running Symbian but Mameo 5 a mobile oriented linux distribution based on debian. Firefox mobile is running on it because Nokia is commiting internal resources to develop it. That's all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The N900 is not running Symbian but Mameo 5 a mobile oriented linux distribution based on debian .
Firefox mobile is running on it because Nokia is commiting internal resources to develop it .
That 's all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The N900 is not running Symbian but Mameo 5 a mobile oriented linux distribution based on debian.
Firefox mobile is running on it because Nokia is commiting internal resources to develop it.
That's all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965696</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966816</id>
	<title>Re:One device?</title>
	<author>quenda</author>
	<datestamp>1264857900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes sense to start with the coolest device first. You think the best developers want to write for Win-Mo??</p><p>And there are other devices: N810 is official, N800 works too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes sense to start with the coolest device first .
You think the best developers want to write for Win-Mo ?
? And there are other devices : N810 is official , N800 works too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes sense to start with the coolest device first.
You think the best developers want to write for Win-Mo?
?And there are other devices: N810 is official, N800 works too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967858</id>
	<title>No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264869480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <strong>Firefox for iPhone</strong><br>We do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.</p><p><strong>Firefox for Blackberry</strong><br>Sorry, no plans. Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components, Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.</p><p><strong>Firefox for Symbian</strong><br>We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.</p> </div><p>I&rsquo;m sorry. That&rsquo;s just silly. Those are the 3 biggest platforms out there.<br>They are basically saying &ldquo;Everyone can get Firefox. As long as he&rsquo;s not using 99\% of the platforms/phones out there!&rdquo;.</p><p>I&rsquo;ll stay with Opera, which already runs very nicely.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox for iPhoneWe do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.Firefox for BlackberrySorry , no plans .
Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components , Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.Firefox for SymbianWe currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform .
I    m sorry .
That    s just silly .
Those are the 3 biggest platforms out there.They are basically saying    Everyone can get Firefox .
As long as he    s not using 99 \ % of the platforms/phones out there !    .I    ll stay with Opera , which already runs very nicely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Firefox for iPhoneWe do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.Firefox for BlackberrySorry, no plans.
Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components, Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.Firefox for SymbianWe currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.
I’m sorry.
That’s just silly.
Those are the 3 biggest platforms out there.They are basically saying “Everyone can get Firefox.
As long as he’s not using 99\% of the platforms/phones out there!”.I’ll stay with Opera, which already runs very nicely.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30970584</id>
	<title>Re:I want one...</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1264955640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If all you want is a Linux ultraportable, there are devices besides the N900 you could look into. There are a few Beagleboard-based ones as well as the very similar Pandora, which gives you a keyboard, a touchscreen, WiFi, Bluetooth, USB and two SD slots in a form factor similar to the original NDS. If you want a Pandora, though, you'll have to order from the second batch; the first batch is expected to ship somewhere within the next two or three months, with the second one close behind. The price was 330 USD for the first batch; this should not change for the second one.<br>
<br>
Also, you could always look into importing an N900; it ought to be sold without a plan at least somewhere in Europe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If all you want is a Linux ultraportable , there are devices besides the N900 you could look into .
There are a few Beagleboard-based ones as well as the very similar Pandora , which gives you a keyboard , a touchscreen , WiFi , Bluetooth , USB and two SD slots in a form factor similar to the original NDS .
If you want a Pandora , though , you 'll have to order from the second batch ; the first batch is expected to ship somewhere within the next two or three months , with the second one close behind .
The price was 330 USD for the first batch ; this should not change for the second one .
Also , you could always look into importing an N900 ; it ought to be sold without a plan at least somewhere in Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If all you want is a Linux ultraportable, there are devices besides the N900 you could look into.
There are a few Beagleboard-based ones as well as the very similar Pandora, which gives you a keyboard, a touchscreen, WiFi, Bluetooth, USB and two SD slots in a form factor similar to the original NDS.
If you want a Pandora, though, you'll have to order from the second batch; the first batch is expected to ship somewhere within the next two or three months, with the second one close behind.
The price was 330 USD for the first batch; this should not change for the second one.
Also, you could always look into importing an N900; it ought to be sold without a plan at least somewhere in Europe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30968152</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>cloricus</author>
	<datestamp>1264873860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That makes me worry about the quality of the Firefox they've made for 'mobile' computing if it can't even work on a Black Berry.
<br> <br>
I didn't 'get' mobile internet or think it was worth the time of day until my work Black Berry saved my holiday by allowing me to online order tickets from people reselling theirs to a week long festival.  This was in the middle of no where using the Opera Mobile browser over 3G while I was standing in the sold out queue trying to get in.  By the time I got to the scanning gate I had the barcode up in an Opera tab and walked right in.  Was a great festival too.  This was three or four years ago.
<br> <br>
If Firefox can't equal or better that experience years later what are they really offering beyond some competition?
<br> <br>
And why are they pimping a 'full web browser' as my iPhones 3G has had that since the day I bought it almost two years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That makes me worry about the quality of the Firefox they 've made for 'mobile ' computing if it ca n't even work on a Black Berry .
I did n't 'get ' mobile internet or think it was worth the time of day until my work Black Berry saved my holiday by allowing me to online order tickets from people reselling theirs to a week long festival .
This was in the middle of no where using the Opera Mobile browser over 3G while I was standing in the sold out queue trying to get in .
By the time I got to the scanning gate I had the barcode up in an Opera tab and walked right in .
Was a great festival too .
This was three or four years ago .
If Firefox ca n't equal or better that experience years later what are they really offering beyond some competition ?
And why are they pimping a 'full web browser ' as my iPhones 3G has had that since the day I bought it almost two years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That makes me worry about the quality of the Firefox they've made for 'mobile' computing if it can't even work on a Black Berry.
I didn't 'get' mobile internet or think it was worth the time of day until my work Black Berry saved my holiday by allowing me to online order tickets from people reselling theirs to a week long festival.
This was in the middle of no where using the Opera Mobile browser over 3G while I was standing in the sold out queue trying to get in.
By the time I got to the scanning gate I had the barcode up in an Opera tab and walked right in.
Was a great festival too.
This was three or four years ago.
If Firefox can't equal or better that experience years later what are they really offering beyond some competition?
And why are they pimping a 'full web browser' as my iPhones 3G has had that since the day I bought it almost two years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30969056</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Xyde</author>
	<datestamp>1264934700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are plenty of other browsers on the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are plenty of other browsers on the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of other browsers on the iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30969410</id>
	<title>Re:First impressions</title>
	<author>21mhz</author>
	<datestamp>1264941540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The application start time is a few seconds slower than the Micro browser that ships with the N900</p></div><p>That's because it is not "pre-started" like the MicroB browser. You can enable it for fennec by adding a field <tt>X-Maemo-Prestarted=always</tt> in the file<nobr> <wbr></nobr><tt>/usr/share/applications/hildon/fennec.desktop</tt>. You can switch off the MicroB, too.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>However, the Firefox has a major deal-breaker for me, it's broken ZOOM function. You're only limited to a "maximum zoom in" or "maximum zoom out" by doubletapping the screen, you can't pick your desired level of zoom by doing a clockwise/counterclockwise drag movement like in Micro.</p></div><p>I guess many people enjoy it, but I find it simpler and quicker to double-tap at an element and have the view zoomed to exacty its block width.<br>I have discovered another great feature: the form navigation mode. Tap into a form element to enable it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The application start time is a few seconds slower than the Micro browser that ships with the N900That 's because it is not " pre-started " like the MicroB browser .
You can enable it for fennec by adding a field X-Maemo-Prestarted = always in the file /usr/share/applications/hildon/fennec.desktop .
You can switch off the MicroB , too.However , the Firefox has a major deal-breaker for me , it 's broken ZOOM function .
You 're only limited to a " maximum zoom in " or " maximum zoom out " by doubletapping the screen , you ca n't pick your desired level of zoom by doing a clockwise/counterclockwise drag movement like in Micro.I guess many people enjoy it , but I find it simpler and quicker to double-tap at an element and have the view zoomed to exacty its block width.I have discovered another great feature : the form navigation mode .
Tap into a form element to enable it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The application start time is a few seconds slower than the Micro browser that ships with the N900That's because it is not "pre-started" like the MicroB browser.
You can enable it for fennec by adding a field X-Maemo-Prestarted=always in the file /usr/share/applications/hildon/fennec.desktop.
You can switch off the MicroB, too.However, the Firefox has a major deal-breaker for me, it's broken ZOOM function.
You're only limited to a "maximum zoom in" or "maximum zoom out" by doubletapping the screen, you can't pick your desired level of zoom by doing a clockwise/counterclockwise drag movement like in Micro.I guess many people enjoy it, but I find it simpler and quicker to double-tap at an element and have the view zoomed to exacty its block width.I have discovered another great feature: the form navigation mode.
Tap into a form element to enable it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30970220</id>
	<title>Re:No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264952100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pardon my language, but... the fuck Symbian?  I've never seen a Symbian phone in my life -- maybe Mozilla never has either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pardon my language , but... the fuck Symbian ?
I 've never seen a Symbian phone in my life -- maybe Mozilla never has either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pardon my language, but... the fuck Symbian?
I've never seen a Symbian phone in my life -- maybe Mozilla never has either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965868</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264849320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check here for info on other ports:</p><p><a href="https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms" title="mozilla.org">https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms</a> [mozilla.org]</p><p>As far as Symbian is concerned they say "We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform."  Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian.....</p><p>Stick with Opera Mobile, it's an excellent mobile browser anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check here for info on other ports : https : //wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms [ mozilla.org ] As far as Symbian is concerned they say " We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform .
" Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian.....Stick with Opera Mobile , it 's an excellent mobile browser anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check here for info on other ports:https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms [mozilla.org]As far as Symbian is concerned they say "We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.
"  Because after all there are so many more phones running Windows Mobile and Maemo than Symbian.....Stick with Opera Mobile, it's an excellent mobile browser anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966084</id>
	<title>But Flash means a compromised mobile experience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264851000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given that flash uses 100\% of a core of a high-end x64 processor, it'll be murderous on cell phone batteries.  Still, Mozilla is the first mobile browser I'm aware of which may support something like Flashblock.  And flashy pages are even uglier and more punishing on a mobile device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that flash uses 100 \ % of a core of a high-end x64 processor , it 'll be murderous on cell phone batteries .
Still , Mozilla is the first mobile browser I 'm aware of which may support something like Flashblock .
And flashy pages are even uglier and more punishing on a mobile device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that flash uses 100\% of a core of a high-end x64 processor, it'll be murderous on cell phone batteries.
Still, Mozilla is the first mobile browser I'm aware of which may support something like Flashblock.
And flashy pages are even uglier and more punishing on a mobile device.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30968414</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Scoth</author>
	<datestamp>1264878000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A more accurate saying might be no non-webkit browsers. All the browsers in Apple Store are, to my knowledge, still using the iphone/ipod webkit widgets. Thus Apple still has ultimate control over the browsing experience, and can ensure that anything that is a browser or embeds a web browser has the same visual experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A more accurate saying might be no non-webkit browsers .
All the browsers in Apple Store are , to my knowledge , still using the iphone/ipod webkit widgets .
Thus Apple still has ultimate control over the browsing experience , and can ensure that anything that is a browser or embeds a web browser has the same visual experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A more accurate saying might be no non-webkit browsers.
All the browsers in Apple Store are, to my knowledge, still using the iphone/ipod webkit widgets.
Thus Apple still has ultimate control over the browsing experience, and can ensure that anything that is a browser or embeds a web browser has the same visual experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965794</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1264848780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would never be allowed on the iPhone.  Apple prohibits any apps that complete with their offerings.  So no browsers other than Safari.  That being said, why didn't they target blackberry first?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would never be allowed on the iPhone .
Apple prohibits any apps that complete with their offerings .
So no browsers other than Safari .
That being said , why did n't they target blackberry first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would never be allowed on the iPhone.
Apple prohibits any apps that complete with their offerings.
So no browsers other than Safari.
That being said, why didn't they target blackberry first?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30977310</id>
	<title>Gets out MarketSpeak to English dictionary,</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264958940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me translate this for you.<blockquote><div><p> <b>Firefox for iPhone</b> <br>
We do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Apple wont let us.</p><blockquote><div><p> <b>Firefox for Blackberry</b> <br>
Sorry, no plans. Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components, Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Developing for WinCE from scratch is too costly. We don't believe there is enough demand from corporate BB users to justify this cost.</p><blockquote><div><p> <b>Firefox for Symbian</b> <br>
We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Unless someone throws a bucket of money our way, HINT, Nokia, give us some cash.<br> <br>

Developing for Maemo was a cheap way to get version 1.0 out the door and this gives them an actual product to leverage with. I'd wager that converting the X86 Linux code to ARM Linux code was the fastest and cheapest option. If there is enough demand (or donations) Mozilla would write for BB or Symbian (or Android) but not for Iphone due to Apple, now that 1.0 is out their plans or lack there of may change.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me translate this for you .
Firefox for iPhone We do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution .
Apple wont let us .
Firefox for Blackberry Sorry , no plans .
Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components , Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS .
Developing for WinCE from scratch is too costly .
We do n't believe there is enough demand from corporate BB users to justify this cost .
Firefox for Symbian We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform .
Unless someone throws a bucket of money our way , HINT , Nokia , give us some cash .
Developing for Maemo was a cheap way to get version 1.0 out the door and this gives them an actual product to leverage with .
I 'd wager that converting the X86 Linux code to ARM Linux code was the fastest and cheapest option .
If there is enough demand ( or donations ) Mozilla would write for BB or Symbian ( or Android ) but not for Iphone due to Apple , now that 1.0 is out their plans or lack there of may change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me translate this for you.
Firefox for iPhone 
We do not have plans to build an iPhone browser due to constraints with the OS environment and distribution.
Apple wont let us.
Firefox for Blackberry 
Sorry, no plans.
Due to its Java-based operating system and the inability to build native components, Firefox is not compatible on the Blackberry OS.
Developing for WinCE from scratch is too costly.
We don't believe there is enough demand from corporate BB users to justify this cost.
Firefox for Symbian 
We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.
Unless someone throws a bucket of money our way, HINT, Nokia, give us some cash.
Developing for Maemo was a cheap way to get version 1.0 out the door and this gives them an actual product to leverage with.
I'd wager that converting the X86 Linux code to ARM Linux code was the fastest and cheapest option.
If there is enough demand (or donations) Mozilla would write for BB or Symbian (or Android) but not for Iphone due to Apple, now that 1.0 is out their plans or lack there of may change.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965858</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>AbRASiON</author>
	<datestamp>1264849260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've delt with Nokia support for faulty handheld phones from them and I've delt with Apple.<br>Nokia is now blacklisted for me, they will never ever ever see a cent of my money, ever again.  I don't care if god personally endorses their next phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've delt with Nokia support for faulty handheld phones from them and I 've delt with Apple.Nokia is now blacklisted for me , they will never ever ever see a cent of my money , ever again .
I do n't care if god personally endorses their next phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've delt with Nokia support for faulty handheld phones from them and I've delt with Apple.Nokia is now blacklisted for me, they will never ever ever see a cent of my money, ever again.
I don't care if god personally endorses their next phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966142</id>
	<title>Highlights?</title>
	<author>owlnation</author>
	<datestamp>1264851420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Highlights include the familiar Awesome Bar</p></div></blockquote><p>

How can Firefox's most controversial "feature" be considered a highlight? This one "highlight" will be the reason I'm sticking with Opera on my phone. It's bad enough having bloated crap on a fully specced desktop machine -- it's a total dealbreaker on a limited platform.<br> <br>

This summary has to be one of the most blatantly astroturfed I've read on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Highlights include the familiar Awesome Bar How can Firefox 's most controversial " feature " be considered a highlight ?
This one " highlight " will be the reason I 'm sticking with Opera on my phone .
It 's bad enough having bloated crap on a fully specced desktop machine -- it 's a total dealbreaker on a limited platform .
This summary has to be one of the most blatantly astroturfed I 've read on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Highlights include the familiar Awesome Bar

How can Firefox's most controversial "feature" be considered a highlight?
This one "highlight" will be the reason I'm sticking with Opera on my phone.
It's bad enough having bloated crap on a fully specced desktop machine -- it's a total dealbreaker on a limited platform.
This summary has to be one of the most blatantly astroturfed I've read on /.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965916</id>
	<title>n800</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264849860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>seems to work, albeit a bit sluggish on my n800 also.  posting from it right now!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>seems to work , albeit a bit sluggish on my n800 also .
posting from it right now !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seems to work, albeit a bit sluggish on my n800 also.
posting from it right now!
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965624</id>
	<title>Zzzzz...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264847220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had a full mobile browsers like this have existed forever. Why should I care about this one? It won't run on my iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had a full mobile browsers like this have existed forever .
Why should I care about this one ?
It wo n't run on my iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had a full mobile browsers like this have existed forever.
Why should I care about this one?
It won't run on my iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966314</id>
	<title>Re:Am I the only one?</title>
	<author>heffrey</author>
	<datestamp>1264853280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When I browse the Internet on the phone, I find myself wishing that more sites offered mobile versions, but only because the only thing I want is the content. I can even do without pictures and graphics altogether.</p></div><p>You need Opera Mini.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I browse the Internet on the phone , I find myself wishing that more sites offered mobile versions , but only because the only thing I want is the content .
I can even do without pictures and graphics altogether.You need Opera Mini .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I browse the Internet on the phone, I find myself wishing that more sites offered mobile versions, but only because the only thing I want is the content.
I can even do without pictures and graphics altogether.You need Opera Mini.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966404</id>
	<title>N800 Maemo Browser ROCKS!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264854240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The N800 Maemo Browser ROCKS when compared to FF-Mobile or Safari/Opera-mobile/whatever-mobile.  Mobile browsers suck, including iPhone-Safari.</p><p>I've never come across a site that didn't work, including Youtube with the N800 Maemo default browser. FF-m-1.x appears to be a resource hog on my machine.  I pulled the RC3 down YESTERDAY and couldn't run it and any other app at the same time. Boo.</p><p>OTOH, with the Maemo Browser, I was able to start YouAmp, Maemo-Mapper, an xterm with an ssh session to a remote server and none were slow.</p><p>All within 128MB RAM.  I must be missing the issue - why did anyone bother with FF on Maemo again?  Plugins?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The N800 Maemo Browser ROCKS when compared to FF-Mobile or Safari/Opera-mobile/whatever-mobile .
Mobile browsers suck , including iPhone-Safari.I 've never come across a site that did n't work , including Youtube with the N800 Maemo default browser .
FF-m-1.x appears to be a resource hog on my machine .
I pulled the RC3 down YESTERDAY and could n't run it and any other app at the same time .
Boo.OTOH , with the Maemo Browser , I was able to start YouAmp , Maemo-Mapper , an xterm with an ssh session to a remote server and none were slow.All within 128MB RAM .
I must be missing the issue - why did anyone bother with FF on Maemo again ?
Plugins ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The N800 Maemo Browser ROCKS when compared to FF-Mobile or Safari/Opera-mobile/whatever-mobile.
Mobile browsers suck, including iPhone-Safari.I've never come across a site that didn't work, including Youtube with the N800 Maemo default browser.
FF-m-1.x appears to be a resource hog on my machine.
I pulled the RC3 down YESTERDAY and couldn't run it and any other app at the same time.
Boo.OTOH, with the Maemo Browser, I was able to start YouAmp, Maemo-Mapper, an xterm with an ssh session to a remote server and none were slow.All within 128MB RAM.
I must be missing the issue - why did anyone bother with FF on Maemo again?
Plugins?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965942</id>
	<title>First impressions</title>
	<author>dnaumov</author>
	<datestamp>1264850040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The UI felt a bit unusual at the start, but I actually ended up liking it, felt unique and effective. The application start time is a few seconds slower than the Micro browser that ships with the N900, but page load and rendering speed seems toughly equal. The straightforwardness of installing and configuring AdBlocker felt more integrated and polished in the new Firefox 1.0. However, the Firefox has a major deal-breaker for me, it's broken ZOOM function. You're only limited to a "maximum zoom in" or "maximum zoom out" by doubletapping the screen, you can't pick your desired level of zoom by doing a clockwise/counterclockwise drag movement like in Micro. Ctrl-UP and Ctrl-DOWN were supposed keyboard shortcuts for zooming in and out, but these didn't even work at all, the key combinations did nothing (while other shortcuts like Ctrl-L worked normally).

This definately feels like a good start, but it's more of a 0.98 version than a 1.0, it just has a few rough edges and needs some polish.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The UI felt a bit unusual at the start , but I actually ended up liking it , felt unique and effective .
The application start time is a few seconds slower than the Micro browser that ships with the N900 , but page load and rendering speed seems toughly equal .
The straightforwardness of installing and configuring AdBlocker felt more integrated and polished in the new Firefox 1.0 .
However , the Firefox has a major deal-breaker for me , it 's broken ZOOM function .
You 're only limited to a " maximum zoom in " or " maximum zoom out " by doubletapping the screen , you ca n't pick your desired level of zoom by doing a clockwise/counterclockwise drag movement like in Micro .
Ctrl-UP and Ctrl-DOWN were supposed keyboard shortcuts for zooming in and out , but these did n't even work at all , the key combinations did nothing ( while other shortcuts like Ctrl-L worked normally ) .
This definately feels like a good start , but it 's more of a 0.98 version than a 1.0 , it just has a few rough edges and needs some polish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The UI felt a bit unusual at the start, but I actually ended up liking it, felt unique and effective.
The application start time is a few seconds slower than the Micro browser that ships with the N900, but page load and rendering speed seems toughly equal.
The straightforwardness of installing and configuring AdBlocker felt more integrated and polished in the new Firefox 1.0.
However, the Firefox has a major deal-breaker for me, it's broken ZOOM function.
You're only limited to a "maximum zoom in" or "maximum zoom out" by doubletapping the screen, you can't pick your desired level of zoom by doing a clockwise/counterclockwise drag movement like in Micro.
Ctrl-UP and Ctrl-DOWN were supposed keyboard shortcuts for zooming in and out, but these didn't even work at all, the key combinations did nothing (while other shortcuts like Ctrl-L worked normally).
This definately feels like a good start, but it's more of a 0.98 version than a 1.0, it just has a few rough edges and needs some polish.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967098</id>
	<title>Re:??? Ok then...</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1264860360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform." - so they're ignoring the most used phone OS.</p><p>Opera Mobile supports Symbian, Windows Mobile, Android and BREW. On the other hand, I'm not sure it supports Maemo, so to be fair Firefox is there for that platform.</p><p>They have no plans for Java, so Opera Mini will still be the preference for the 2 billion or so Java smartphones out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform .
" - so they 're ignoring the most used phone OS.Opera Mobile supports Symbian , Windows Mobile , Android and BREW .
On the other hand , I 'm not sure it supports Maemo , so to be fair Firefox is there for that platform.They have no plans for Java , so Opera Mini will still be the preference for the 2 billion or so Java smartphones out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We currently have no plans to develop Firefox for the Symbian platform.
" - so they're ignoring the most used phone OS.Opera Mobile supports Symbian, Windows Mobile, Android and BREW.
On the other hand, I'm not sure it supports Maemo, so to be fair Firefox is there for that platform.They have no plans for Java, so Opera Mini will still be the preference for the 2 billion or so Java smartphones out there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966520</id>
	<title>N900 already uses a Mozilla-based browser</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1264855380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With the Nokia 900 and Firefox Mobile 1.0, even Flash content including the normal YouTube site is working</p></div><p>Given that the browser that comes out of the box in N900 is already Mozilla-based (in fact, the extension install screen looks conspicuously like Firefox), and can already play Flash, and use ABP, what advantage does this thing have over it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the Nokia 900 and Firefox Mobile 1.0 , even Flash content including the normal YouTube site is workingGiven that the browser that comes out of the box in N900 is already Mozilla-based ( in fact , the extension install screen looks conspicuously like Firefox ) , and can already play Flash , and use ABP , what advantage does this thing have over it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the Nokia 900 and Firefox Mobile 1.0, even Flash content including the normal YouTube site is workingGiven that the browser that comes out of the box in N900 is already Mozilla-based (in fact, the extension install screen looks conspicuously like Firefox), and can already play Flash, and use ABP, what advantage does this thing have over it?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965988</id>
	<title>For teh N900 ownrz</title>
	<author>ipX</author>
	<datestamp>1264850340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Download@ <a href="http://firefox.com/m/" title="firefox.com" rel="nofollow">http://firefox.com/m/</a> [firefox.com]
<p>
If anyone figures out how to select text on the page (not in a textarea or input - shift+right/left arrow does that) plz reply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Download @ http : //firefox.com/m/ [ firefox.com ] If anyone figures out how to select text on the page ( not in a textarea or input - shift + right/left arrow does that ) plz reply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Download@ http://firefox.com/m/ [firefox.com]

If anyone figures out how to select text on the page (not in a textarea or input - shift+right/left arrow does that) plz reply.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30968860</id>
	<title>Re:First impressions</title>
	<author>Spliffster</author>
	<datestamp>1264930380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have just downloaded the linux version of mobile ff 1 and gave it a spin. Zoom was one of my concerns. On a desktop linux you can zoom into pages and images gradually with the mouse wheel. I guess the functionality is there the browser is just not (yet?) very well integrated in your test platform as it seems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have just downloaded the linux version of mobile ff 1 and gave it a spin .
Zoom was one of my concerns .
On a desktop linux you can zoom into pages and images gradually with the mouse wheel .
I guess the functionality is there the browser is just not ( yet ?
) very well integrated in your test platform as it seems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have just downloaded the linux version of mobile ff 1 and gave it a spin.
Zoom was one of my concerns.
On a desktop linux you can zoom into pages and images gradually with the mouse wheel.
I guess the functionality is there the browser is just not (yet?
) very well integrated in your test platform as it seems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965662</id>
	<title>Nokia N900 win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264847520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the N900 is an amazing platform. I know it from a computational photography class at my university: <a href="http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs448a-10/" title="stanford.edu" rel="nofollow">http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs448a-10/</a> [stanford.edu]
It runs a full Linux distro, has a 5MP camera, and now with FF 1.0 I consider it the first phone with a real browser. (IPhone/ITouch/IPad doesn't count because there's no flash and they don't support any browser extensions. Once I can run Flash, Firebug, and Adblock, then it's real.)<br> <br>

I think it deserves a shoutout especially because<br>
*) Nokia is truly awful at promoting their products<br>
*) a certain company that's great at marketing is making all sorts of splash with the antithesis of this phone. it's called the iPad; it runs a Unix derivative, but is an affront to the Unix philosophy. it somehow manages to be three times the size of an N900 with a tenth the functionality.<br> <br>

I think that N900 + FF Mobile is a real tool in an ocean of toys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the N900 is an amazing platform .
I know it from a computational photography class at my university : http : //graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs448a-10/ [ stanford.edu ] It runs a full Linux distro , has a 5MP camera , and now with FF 1.0 I consider it the first phone with a real browser .
( IPhone/ITouch/IPad does n't count because there 's no flash and they do n't support any browser extensions .
Once I can run Flash , Firebug , and Adblock , then it 's real .
) I think it deserves a shoutout especially because * ) Nokia is truly awful at promoting their products * ) a certain company that 's great at marketing is making all sorts of splash with the antithesis of this phone .
it 's called the iPad ; it runs a Unix derivative , but is an affront to the Unix philosophy .
it somehow manages to be three times the size of an N900 with a tenth the functionality .
I think that N900 + FF Mobile is a real tool in an ocean of toys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the N900 is an amazing platform.
I know it from a computational photography class at my university: http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs448a-10/ [stanford.edu]
It runs a full Linux distro, has a 5MP camera, and now with FF 1.0 I consider it the first phone with a real browser.
(IPhone/ITouch/IPad doesn't count because there's no flash and they don't support any browser extensions.
Once I can run Flash, Firebug, and Adblock, then it's real.
) 

I think it deserves a shoutout especially because
*) Nokia is truly awful at promoting their products
*) a certain company that's great at marketing is making all sorts of splash with the antithesis of this phone.
it's called the iPad; it runs a Unix derivative, but is an affront to the Unix philosophy.
it somehow manages to be three times the size of an N900 with a tenth the functionality.
I think that N900 + FF Mobile is a real tool in an ocean of toys.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30968586</id>
	<title>Re:One device?</title>
	<author>quenda</author>
	<datestamp>1264881120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it is worse. They support the one and only mobile phone which does not need it.<br>The N900 already has an excellent mozilla-based web browser in MicroB. Fennec is very slow in comparison, and unlike to get much acceptance in it's current form.<br>(what the n900 needs is a half-decent maps program, or a better mail client, or jave-ME,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... not another browser.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it is worse .
They support the one and only mobile phone which does not need it.The N900 already has an excellent mozilla-based web browser in MicroB .
Fennec is very slow in comparison , and unlike to get much acceptance in it 's current form .
( what the n900 needs is a half-decent maps program , or a better mail client , or jave-ME , ... not another browser .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it is worse.
They support the one and only mobile phone which does not need it.The N900 already has an excellent mozilla-based web browser in MicroB.
Fennec is very slow in comparison, and unlike to get much acceptance in it's current form.
(what the n900 needs is a half-decent maps program, or a better mail client, or jave-ME, ... not another browser.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965842</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1264849140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mozilla has already stated that a BlackBerry port won't happen or if it does, it's at the bottom of the priority list. The BB OS isn't powerful enough to handle it, apparently. <a href="http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/09/mozilla-rules-out-firefox-for-iphone-and-blackberry/" title="electricpig.co.uk">http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/09/mozilla-rules-out-firefox-for-iphone-and-blackberry/</a> [electricpig.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mozilla has already stated that a BlackBerry port wo n't happen or if it does , it 's at the bottom of the priority list .
The BB OS is n't powerful enough to handle it , apparently .
http : //www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/09/mozilla-rules-out-firefox-for-iphone-and-blackberry/ [ electricpig.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mozilla has already stated that a BlackBerry port won't happen or if it does, it's at the bottom of the priority list.
The BB OS isn't powerful enough to handle it, apparently.
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2009/11/09/mozilla-rules-out-firefox-for-iphone-and-blackberry/ [electricpig.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30967484</id>
	<title>Re:??? Ok then...</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1264864320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything I've read about Firefox Mobile says that it is significantly slower than the native Maemo browser, MicroB. Since MicroB is based on Firefox anyway (and supports several addons), I don't really see what the point is.<br>What I'd really like to see ported is Opera Mini - at least it compresses the data for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything I 've read about Firefox Mobile says that it is significantly slower than the native Maemo browser , MicroB .
Since MicroB is based on Firefox anyway ( and supports several addons ) , I do n't really see what the point is.What I 'd really like to see ported is Opera Mini - at least it compresses the data for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything I've read about Firefox Mobile says that it is significantly slower than the native Maemo browser, MicroB.
Since MicroB is based on Firefox anyway (and supports several addons), I don't really see what the point is.What I'd really like to see ported is Opera Mini - at least it compresses the data for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.31000004</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N810?</title>
	<author>jfanning</author>
	<datestamp>1265143260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would avoid it as the N810 is basically too low powered. But on the other hand if you want a faster browser on the N810 download Tear or one of the other webkit ones. Tear works fine and with the browser switcher tool also available I can replace the system MicroB browser with it for most things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would avoid it as the N810 is basically too low powered .
But on the other hand if you want a faster browser on the N810 download Tear or one of the other webkit ones .
Tear works fine and with the browser switcher tool also available I can replace the system MicroB browser with it for most things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would avoid it as the N810 is basically too low powered.
But on the other hand if you want a faster browser on the N810 download Tear or one of the other webkit ones.
Tear works fine and with the browser switcher tool also available I can replace the system MicroB browser with it for most things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966966</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian</title>
	<author>Sentry360</author>
	<datestamp>1264859220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're forgetting the super-geek demographic. The kind that don't want Linux-Lite that Android offers, but want the whole shebang you get with Maemo. That being said I own an N900 and it is by far the best phone I've ever had. I've played with friend's iPhones and Android phones before and they never appealed to me. The devices felt cheap... not hardware cheap.... software cheap. The limitations of which could be felt within 5 minutes of using the device... heck you can't even multi task on the iphone.
<br>
<br>
One of the first things I did when I got my N900 was first install gainroot, takes like minute from the app manager, then installed Ruby 1.8.7, then found some Ruby tutorial pages and began copy/pasting Ruby code snippets into Conboy notes that I keep synced up. Then I make files using PyGTKEditor and execute them from terminal. So now whenever I'm stuck in a boring situation... aka the bus, lame party, work gatherings... I pull out my phone and continue learning Ruby so I don't feel like I'm wasting my time.
<br>
<br>
Ohh I also remapped my arrow keys to do Home/End/PageUp/PageDown when I hold the function keys, and remapped the Pound and Euro symbols to &lt; and &gt;.
<br>
<br>
I don't know if any other phone would have let me do all this stuff... and it's just a fraction of the fun of having a full blown OS... but I feel that if I had an Android I'd be hitting walls of frustration.
<br>
<br>
The reason FireFox went with the N900 is because Nokia spent alot of time working on it for the Maemo internal browser. The FireFox mobile project probably got alot of free code from Nokia which made writing FireFox for the N900 the easiest task to tackle. Which I still prefer over the FireFox simply because it's much more integrated into the phone, and I've yet to had a website not work in it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're forgetting the super-geek demographic .
The kind that do n't want Linux-Lite that Android offers , but want the whole shebang you get with Maemo .
That being said I own an N900 and it is by far the best phone I 've ever had .
I 've played with friend 's iPhones and Android phones before and they never appealed to me .
The devices felt cheap... not hardware cheap.... software cheap .
The limitations of which could be felt within 5 minutes of using the device... heck you ca n't even multi task on the iphone .
One of the first things I did when I got my N900 was first install gainroot , takes like minute from the app manager , then installed Ruby 1.8.7 , then found some Ruby tutorial pages and began copy/pasting Ruby code snippets into Conboy notes that I keep synced up .
Then I make files using PyGTKEditor and execute them from terminal .
So now whenever I 'm stuck in a boring situation... aka the bus , lame party , work gatherings... I pull out my phone and continue learning Ruby so I do n't feel like I 'm wasting my time .
Ohh I also remapped my arrow keys to do Home/End/PageUp/PageDown when I hold the function keys , and remapped the Pound and Euro symbols to .
I do n't know if any other phone would have let me do all this stuff... and it 's just a fraction of the fun of having a full blown OS... but I feel that if I had an Android I 'd be hitting walls of frustration .
The reason FireFox went with the N900 is because Nokia spent alot of time working on it for the Maemo internal browser .
The FireFox mobile project probably got alot of free code from Nokia which made writing FireFox for the N900 the easiest task to tackle .
Which I still prefer over the FireFox simply because it 's much more integrated into the phone , and I 've yet to had a website not work in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're forgetting the super-geek demographic.
The kind that don't want Linux-Lite that Android offers, but want the whole shebang you get with Maemo.
That being said I own an N900 and it is by far the best phone I've ever had.
I've played with friend's iPhones and Android phones before and they never appealed to me.
The devices felt cheap... not hardware cheap.... software cheap.
The limitations of which could be felt within 5 minutes of using the device... heck you can't even multi task on the iphone.
One of the first things I did when I got my N900 was first install gainroot, takes like minute from the app manager, then installed Ruby 1.8.7, then found some Ruby tutorial pages and began copy/pasting Ruby code snippets into Conboy notes that I keep synced up.
Then I make files using PyGTKEditor and execute them from terminal.
So now whenever I'm stuck in a boring situation... aka the bus, lame party, work gatherings... I pull out my phone and continue learning Ruby so I don't feel like I'm wasting my time.
Ohh I also remapped my arrow keys to do Home/End/PageUp/PageDown when I hold the function keys, and remapped the Pound and Euro symbols to .
I don't know if any other phone would have let me do all this stuff... and it's just a fraction of the fun of having a full blown OS... but I feel that if I had an Android I'd be hitting walls of frustration.
The reason FireFox went with the N900 is because Nokia spent alot of time working on it for the Maemo internal browser.
The FireFox mobile project probably got alot of free code from Nokia which made writing FireFox for the N900 the easiest task to tackle.
Which I still prefer over the FireFox simply because it's much more integrated into the phone, and I've yet to had a website not work in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965928</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N810?</title>
	<author>guysoft</author>
	<datestamp>1264849980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Runs really slow on the N810. And randomly crashes after a minute or so. Its quite a shame.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Runs really slow on the N810 .
And randomly crashes after a minute or so .
Its quite a shame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Runs really slow on the N810.
And randomly crashes after a minute or so.
Its quite a shame.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30966402</id>
	<title>Re:??? Ok then...</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1264854240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How are any of those "more complete" than this? It's practically at a feature parity with the desktop version. (Whether that's wise or useful is up for debate!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How are any of those " more complete " than this ?
It 's practically at a feature parity with the desktop version .
( Whether that 's wise or useful is up for debate !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How are any of those "more complete" than this?
It's practically at a feature parity with the desktop version.
(Whether that's wise or useful is up for debate!
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30965904</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia N810?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264849740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It lags pretty bad, search around for the "Tear" browser instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It lags pretty bad , search around for the " Tear " browser instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It lags pretty bad, search around for the "Tear" browser instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_2021226.30970650</id>
	<title>Re:No Symbian? Sorry, but: FAIL!</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1264956300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Opera on Windows Mobile is a bit crap.  Mine (on the Touch Diamond) can't work out that opening a third link on the same tab doesn't require more tabs.  It ignores clicks sometimes.  It's impossible to click on thing around the edges of the page (sometimes zooming in to max helps, as this pushes links towards the centre of the screen).  Plugins don't work.  You can't post to Slashdot unless you have a lot of patience because after clicking `space` between each word the cursor randomly moves somewhere on the current line you're on. Etc etc.  I mean, yeah, it's great when you first use it and zoom in/out, bookmark pages etc. It's better than Skyfire, because that doesn't work at all, but it's definitely on my phone simply because there is no alternative (ie sucks far worse), so I'm up for giving Firefox Mobile 1 a go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Opera on Windows Mobile is a bit crap .
Mine ( on the Touch Diamond ) ca n't work out that opening a third link on the same tab does n't require more tabs .
It ignores clicks sometimes .
It 's impossible to click on thing around the edges of the page ( sometimes zooming in to max helps , as this pushes links towards the centre of the screen ) .
Plugins do n't work .
You ca n't post to Slashdot unless you have a lot of patience because after clicking ` space ` between each word the cursor randomly moves somewhere on the current line you 're on .
Etc etc .
I mean , yeah , it 's great when you first use it and zoom in/out , bookmark pages etc .
It 's better than Skyfire , because that does n't work at all , but it 's definitely on my phone simply because there is no alternative ( ie sucks far worse ) , so I 'm up for giving Firefox Mobile 1 a go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Opera on Windows Mobile is a bit crap.
Mine (on the Touch Diamond) can't work out that opening a third link on the same tab doesn't require more tabs.
It ignores clicks sometimes.
It's impossible to click on thing around the edges of the page (sometimes zooming in to max helps, as this pushes links towards the centre of the screen).
Plugins don't work.
You can't post to Slashdot unless you have a lot of patience because after clicking `space` between each word the cursor randomly moves somewhere on the current line you're on.
Etc etc.
I mean, yeah, it's great when you first use it and zoom in/out, bookmark pages etc.
It's better than Skyfire, because that doesn't work at all, but it's definitely on my phone simply because there is no alternative (ie sucks far worse), so I'm up for giving Firefox Mobile 1 a go.</sentencetext>
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