<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_30_1436250</id>
	<title>DRM Content Drives Availability On P2P Networks</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1264867920000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jgreco writes <i>"The music industry once feared that going DRM-free would drive a massive explosion of copyright-infringing music availability on P2P networks.  Now, a new study seems to suggest otherwise.  The answer is obvious: if you can easily get inexpensive DRM-free content that works on your devices through legitimate channels, <a href="http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2010/01/bittorrent-census-about-99-of-files-copyright-infringing.ars">most people won't bother with the headache of P2P networks</a>.  It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM.  The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>jgreco writes " The music industry once feared that going DRM-free would drive a massive explosion of copyright-infringing music availability on P2P networks .
Now , a new study seems to suggest otherwise .
The answer is obvious : if you can easily get inexpensive DRM-free content that works on your devices through legitimate channels , most people wo n't bother with the headache of P2P networks .
It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM .
The MPAA , of course , will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion .
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<sentencetext>jgreco writes "The music industry once feared that going DRM-free would drive a massive explosion of copyright-infringing music availability on P2P networks.
Now, a new study seems to suggest otherwise.
The answer is obvious: if you can easily get inexpensive DRM-free content that works on your devices through legitimate channels, most people won't bother with the headache of P2P networks.
It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM.
The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965774</id>
	<title>Re:A Perfect Example:</title>
	<author>piltdownman84</author>
	<datestamp>1264848540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have often wondered about the legality of this.  Mostly because I have a very large vinyl collection.  The RIAA and MPAA are always saying that you have bought only a license, so if I own lets say [i]Meddle by Pink Floyd[/i], I download a copy off some ftp, get caught and it goes to trial.  Can I make a defense that "I have a license here, check out the cover art"?  Also my PVR from my crappy Cable company, Shaw, often forgets its a PVR and doesn't record what its set to do.  Meaning I end up downloading them.  Do I have a defense there?


 <br> <br>Aslso I hate Blue-Ray disks with Digital Copies.  They always end up costing $10 more than regular Blue-Ray disks and to give me something I don't want or have any use for.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have often wondered about the legality of this .
Mostly because I have a very large vinyl collection .
The RIAA and MPAA are always saying that you have bought only a license , so if I own lets say [ i ] Meddle by Pink Floyd [ /i ] , I download a copy off some ftp , get caught and it goes to trial .
Can I make a defense that " I have a license here , check out the cover art " ?
Also my PVR from my crappy Cable company , Shaw , often forgets its a PVR and does n't record what its set to do .
Meaning I end up downloading them .
Do I have a defense there ?
Aslso I hate Blue-Ray disks with Digital Copies .
They always end up costing $ 10 more than regular Blue-Ray disks and to give me something I do n't want or have any use for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have often wondered about the legality of this.
Mostly because I have a very large vinyl collection.
The RIAA and MPAA are always saying that you have bought only a license, so if I own lets say [i]Meddle by Pink Floyd[/i], I download a copy off some ftp, get caught and it goes to trial.
Can I make a defense that "I have a license here, check out the cover art"?
Also my PVR from my crappy Cable company, Shaw, often forgets its a PVR and doesn't record what its set to do.
Meaning I end up downloading them.
Do I have a defense there?
Aslso I hate Blue-Ray disks with Digital Copies.
They always end up costing $10 more than regular Blue-Ray disks and to give me something I don't want or have any use for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964398</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>mark-t</author>
	<datestamp>1264881420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Legal, yes... but still frowned upon.  Unauthorized copies were still viewed as forgeries by not only the publisher but also the general public (owing to the fact that copying technologies were basically non-existent at the time and unauthorized copies tended to be highly imperfect).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Legal , yes... but still frowned upon .
Unauthorized copies were still viewed as forgeries by not only the publisher but also the general public ( owing to the fact that copying technologies were basically non-existent at the time and unauthorized copies tended to be highly imperfect ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Legal, yes... but still frowned upon.
Unauthorized copies were still viewed as forgeries by not only the publisher but also the general public (owing to the fact that copying technologies were basically non-existent at the time and unauthorized copies tended to be highly imperfect).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963580</id>
	<title>Re:Paying</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1264876380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk.</i> <br> <br>
How about <a href="http://ipodlinux.org/" title="ipodlinux.org" rel="nofollow">iPodLinux</a> [ipodlinux.org]? Or <a href="http://www.gtkpod.org/" title="gtkpod.org" rel="nofollow">gtkpod</a> [gtkpod.org] if you don't want to go the whole hog. You have plenty of choices. The hardware's cool, and there are OSS options to use it. What's your problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This leads me to another gripe : The iPod and its ilk .
How about iPodLinux [ ipodlinux.org ] ?
Or gtkpod [ gtkpod.org ] if you do n't want to go the whole hog .
You have plenty of choices .
The hardware 's cool , and there are OSS options to use it .
What 's your problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk.
How about iPodLinux [ipodlinux.org]?
Or gtkpod [gtkpod.org] if you don't want to go the whole hog.
You have plenty of choices.
The hardware's cool, and there are OSS options to use it.
What's your problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963230</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1264874400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. It basically comes down to these choices:

</p><ol>
<li>Pay for crippled copy of media, and accept that you won't be able to play it on all your devices.</li>
<li>Pay for crippled copy of media, then have to seek out uncrippled one on P2P network in order to play it on all your devices, and be considered a pirate anyway.</li>
<li>Get uncrippled copy from P2P that will play on everything.</li>
</ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
It basically comes down to these choices : Pay for crippled copy of media , and accept that you wo n't be able to play it on all your devices .
Pay for crippled copy of media , then have to seek out uncrippled one on P2P network in order to play it on all your devices , and be considered a pirate anyway .
Get uncrippled copy from P2P that will play on everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
It basically comes down to these choices:


Pay for crippled copy of media, and accept that you won't be able to play it on all your devices.
Pay for crippled copy of media, then have to seek out uncrippled one on P2P network in order to play it on all your devices, and be considered a pirate anyway.
Get uncrippled copy from P2P that will play on everything.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30968924</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1264931580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, we didn't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips, did we?</p> </div><p>I'll jump.  Back in the Napster days, we didn't have the <i>hard drive space</i> necessary to keep more than a handful of DVD rips around.</p><p>More scarily, most of us were also still using VHS at that point.</p><p>A lot's changed in 10 years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , we did n't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips , did we ?
I 'll jump .
Back in the Napster days , we did n't have the hard drive space necessary to keep more than a handful of DVD rips around.More scarily , most of us were also still using VHS at that point.A lot 's changed in 10 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, we didn't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips, did we?
I'll jump.
Back in the Napster days, we didn't have the hard drive space necessary to keep more than a handful of DVD rips around.More scarily, most of us were also still using VHS at that point.A lot's changed in 10 years.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963956</id>
	<title>Re:Paying</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264878480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That, my friends, is tyranny. The iPod and its ilk. We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it.</i> </p><p>Apple makes high tech appliances for the consumer market.</p><p>The iPod works just fine if you don't want to make hacking the machine your hobby.</p><p><i>In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.</i> </p><p>The most advanced consumer tech tends to become inaccessible to anyone but the pro. You wife won't be agreeable to cracking open the case of the $6000 Samsung HDTV that maxed out your credit line just before the big game.</p><p>You probably won't be invited to muck around with the batteries of your next-generation electric car, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That , my friends , is tyranny .
The iPod and its ilk .
We bought the device , therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it .
Apple makes high tech appliances for the consumer market.The iPod works just fine if you do n't want to make hacking the machine your hobby.In this day and age , it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries .
The most advanced consumer tech tends to become inaccessible to anyone but the pro .
You wife wo n't be agreeable to cracking open the case of the $ 6000 Samsung HDTV that maxed out your credit line just before the big game.You probably wo n't be invited to muck around with the batteries of your next-generation electric car , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That, my friends, is tyranny.
The iPod and its ilk.
We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it.
Apple makes high tech appliances for the consumer market.The iPod works just fine if you don't want to make hacking the machine your hobby.In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.
The most advanced consumer tech tends to become inaccessible to anyone but the pro.
You wife won't be agreeable to cracking open the case of the $6000 Samsung HDTV that maxed out your credit line just before the big game.You probably won't be invited to muck around with the batteries of your next-generation electric car, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30967570</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1264865220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ill never understand this. If you are technical enough to install and run Linux and use wine, then you are most certainly technical enough to install a windows partition to play games on. Hell, get a removable drive and just swap disks. Its not freaking hard, why do Linux people have to make it hard? Its like saying "instead of buying an xbox im gonna run it via somewhat functional emulators on PC, and then bitch becasue its not commercially supported." You have the hardware that is capable of doing it, did you forget that you can change things up to get optimal results? I'm no fan of DRM, but i really wish the linux gaming nerds would STFU and get with the program if they want to play the newest/popular games.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ill never understand this .
If you are technical enough to install and run Linux and use wine , then you are most certainly technical enough to install a windows partition to play games on .
Hell , get a removable drive and just swap disks .
Its not freaking hard , why do Linux people have to make it hard ?
Its like saying " instead of buying an xbox im gon na run it via somewhat functional emulators on PC , and then bitch becasue its not commercially supported .
" You have the hardware that is capable of doing it , did you forget that you can change things up to get optimal results ?
I 'm no fan of DRM , but i really wish the linux gaming nerds would STFU and get with the program if they want to play the newest/popular games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ill never understand this.
If you are technical enough to install and run Linux and use wine, then you are most certainly technical enough to install a windows partition to play games on.
Hell, get a removable drive and just swap disks.
Its not freaking hard, why do Linux people have to make it hard?
Its like saying "instead of buying an xbox im gonna run it via somewhat functional emulators on PC, and then bitch becasue its not commercially supported.
" You have the hardware that is capable of doing it, did you forget that you can change things up to get optimal results?
I'm no fan of DRM, but i really wish the linux gaming nerds would STFU and get with the program if they want to play the newest/popular games.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963074</id>
	<title>Lesseee...</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1264873500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I pay for music - because typically I look for specific artists or songs.  It's easier for me to find it on Amazon rather than wade through piles of junk.</p><p>I would also like for the music industry to clean up its licensing.  Let me buy music that I can play anywhere, in public, to any group of people smaller than, say, 100.</p><p>No strings, no fear, no stupid RIAA tricks.  Come on RIAA, make it easy for us to be legal.  You make it as hard as possible, with impossible convoluted licensing (you need a separate license for public performance and for copying a CD) so that it's nearly impossible to remain within the licensing restrictions and play the music I like.</p><p>Heck, I could make a strong argument that the music industry licensing is so convoluted that it is impossible to play music and be legal.</p><p>So clean up your act.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay for music - because typically I look for specific artists or songs .
It 's easier for me to find it on Amazon rather than wade through piles of junk.I would also like for the music industry to clean up its licensing .
Let me buy music that I can play anywhere , in public , to any group of people smaller than , say , 100.No strings , no fear , no stupid RIAA tricks .
Come on RIAA , make it easy for us to be legal .
You make it as hard as possible , with impossible convoluted licensing ( you need a separate license for public performance and for copying a CD ) so that it 's nearly impossible to remain within the licensing restrictions and play the music I like.Heck , I could make a strong argument that the music industry licensing is so convoluted that it is impossible to play music and be legal.So clean up your act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay for music - because typically I look for specific artists or songs.
It's easier for me to find it on Amazon rather than wade through piles of junk.I would also like for the music industry to clean up its licensing.
Let me buy music that I can play anywhere, in public, to any group of people smaller than, say, 100.No strings, no fear, no stupid RIAA tricks.
Come on RIAA, make it easy for us to be legal.
You make it as hard as possible, with impossible convoluted licensing (you need a separate license for public performance and for copying a CD) so that it's nearly impossible to remain within the licensing restrictions and play the music I like.Heck, I could make a strong argument that the music industry licensing is so convoluted that it is impossible to play music and be legal.So clean up your act.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30967116</id>
	<title>MPAA?</title>
	<author>schizz69</author>
	<datestamp>1264860420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dont you mean RIAA???</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dont you mean RIAA ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dont you mean RIAA??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962850</id>
	<title>Paying</title>
	<author>DaMattster</author>
	<datestamp>1264872060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do not necessarily mind paying for music.  I <b> <i>do</i> </b> mind being told what type of device I can play my music on.  That, my friends, is tyranny.  This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk.  We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it.  This is very much like purchasing a car, truck, or motocycle and customizing it.  We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it (legally) to ways we see fit.  In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not necessarily mind paying for music .
I do mind being told what type of device I can play my music on .
That , my friends , is tyranny .
This leads me to another gripe : The iPod and its ilk .
We bought the device , therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it .
This is very much like purchasing a car , truck , or motocycle and customizing it .
We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it ( legally ) to ways we see fit .
In this day and age , it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not necessarily mind paying for music.
I  do  mind being told what type of device I can play my music on.
That, my friends, is tyranny.
This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk.
We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it.
This is very much like purchasing a car, truck, or motocycle and customizing it.
We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it (legally) to ways we see fit.
In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963712</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1264877100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How could copyright "piracy" have been occurring before the notion of copyright itself?  Before copyright, it was simply legal to copy books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How could copyright " piracy " have been occurring before the notion of copyright itself ?
Before copyright , it was simply legal to copy books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How could copyright "piracy" have been occurring before the notion of copyright itself?
Before copyright, it was simply legal to copy books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963480</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1264875780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hold it, hold it... since when do you have to pay for porn? When did money start to tarnish that industry too? I thought the actors do it for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, ya know, to get laid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hold it , hold it... since when do you have to pay for porn ?
When did money start to tarnish that industry too ?
I thought the actors do it for ... well , ya know , to get laid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hold it, hold it... since when do you have to pay for porn?
When did money start to tarnish that industry too?
I thought the actors do it for ... well, ya know, to get laid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962828</id>
	<title>Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264872000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically, this is based on the correlation that "hey, most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv, porn, and software, almost no pirated music" and "you can get DRM-free music easily, but not movies/tv, porn, and software" as implying "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff".</p><p>Unfortunately, there are two problems here:</p><p>a)  Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL.  BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.</p><p>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p><p>Correlation does not mean causation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , this is based on the correlation that " hey , most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv , porn , and software , almost no pirated music " and " you can get DRM-free music easily , but not movies/tv , porn , and software " as implying " its because of DRM that people pirate stuff " .Unfortunately , there are two problems here : a ) Music is not just DRM-free , its also SMALL .
BitTorrent 's strength is moving big files , while pirated songs are very small in comparison , you can just email em to your friends.b ) A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? Correlation does not mean causation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, this is based on the correlation that "hey, most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv, porn, and software, almost no pirated music" and "you can get DRM-free music easily, but not movies/tv, porn, and software" as implying "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff".Unfortunately, there are two problems here:a)  Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL.
BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?Correlation does not mean causation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963262</id>
	<title>Re:What do GNU/Linux users choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264874640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically, get only mp3s. They don't include any drm, and just about everything that plays music supports them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , get only mp3s .
They do n't include any drm , and just about everything that plays music supports them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, get only mp3s.
They don't include any drm, and just about everything that plays music supports them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963676</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less</title>
	<author>Kethinov</author>
	<datestamp>1264876920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold of. thus it is up to the music providers to realise this, take realistic stock, take advantage of the opportunity, and make some money by providing people what they want!</p><p>it is only by NOT selling people what they want (DRM-free music) that they are hurting their profits!</p></div></blockquote><p>That doesn't solve the piracy problem though. Plenty of DRM-free stuff is being peddled and it gets pirated too simply to dodge the price tag.</p><p>There are two solutions:</p><p>1. Big brother internet, where DRM becomes (theoretically) enforceable because everything is monitored. Darknets will then inevitable become and we'll all be living in some cyberpunk dystopia.</p><p>2. Compete with free. Legalize noncommercial copyright infringement and force businesses to derive all their revenue from advertising, voluntary payments (donations), and value-added services.</p><p>One of these two things will happen. It's inevitable. Let's all hope it's not #1.</p></div>
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<tokenext>so it 's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks , for anyone to get hold of .
thus it is up to the music providers to realise this , take realistic stock , take advantage of the opportunity , and make some money by providing people what they want ! it is only by NOT selling people what they want ( DRM-free music ) that they are hurting their profits ! That does n't solve the piracy problem though .
Plenty of DRM-free stuff is being peddled and it gets pirated too simply to dodge the price tag.There are two solutions : 1 .
Big brother internet , where DRM becomes ( theoretically ) enforceable because everything is monitored .
Darknets will then inevitable become and we 'll all be living in some cyberpunk dystopia.2 .
Compete with free .
Legalize noncommercial copyright infringement and force businesses to derive all their revenue from advertising , voluntary payments ( donations ) , and value-added services.One of these two things will happen .
It 's inevitable .
Let 's all hope it 's not # 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold of.
thus it is up to the music providers to realise this, take realistic stock, take advantage of the opportunity, and make some money by providing people what they want!it is only by NOT selling people what they want (DRM-free music) that they are hurting their profits!That doesn't solve the piracy problem though.
Plenty of DRM-free stuff is being peddled and it gets pirated too simply to dodge the price tag.There are two solutions:1.
Big brother internet, where DRM becomes (theoretically) enforceable because everything is monitored.
Darknets will then inevitable become and we'll all be living in some cyberpunk dystopia.2.
Compete with free.
Legalize noncommercial copyright infringement and force businesses to derive all their revenue from advertising, voluntary payments (donations), and value-added services.One of these two things will happen.
It's inevitable.
Let's all hope it's not #1.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965284</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264844640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>DRM might be the cause of some (minor, but not necessarily insignificant) amount of piracy today, but there's something far more fundamental as a real underlying cause.</p></div><p>I'd say it is people's inability to distinguish "prevalent" from "free" (as in gratis). More specifically, we're already used to the phenomenon that we can watch and listen to everything pop culture has to offer, due to "all-you-can-eat" cable plans and public broadcasts. It's not a far leap at all to go from "I hear this [crap] every day" to "this [crap] is mine", psychologically speaking. In an ironic sense, I think payola is the cause of much of the public's attitude toward music and movies.</p><p>To quote a specific movie: we begin to covet by what we see every day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM might be the cause of some ( minor , but not necessarily insignificant ) amount of piracy today , but there 's something far more fundamental as a real underlying cause.I 'd say it is people 's inability to distinguish " prevalent " from " free " ( as in gratis ) .
More specifically , we 're already used to the phenomenon that we can watch and listen to everything pop culture has to offer , due to " all-you-can-eat " cable plans and public broadcasts .
It 's not a far leap at all to go from " I hear this [ crap ] every day " to " this [ crap ] is mine " , psychologically speaking .
In an ironic sense , I think payola is the cause of much of the public 's attitude toward music and movies.To quote a specific movie : we begin to covet by what we see every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM might be the cause of some (minor, but not necessarily insignificant) amount of piracy today, but there's something far more fundamental as a real underlying cause.I'd say it is people's inability to distinguish "prevalent" from "free" (as in gratis).
More specifically, we're already used to the phenomenon that we can watch and listen to everything pop culture has to offer, due to "all-you-can-eat" cable plans and public broadcasts.
It's not a far leap at all to go from "I hear this [crap] every day" to "this [crap] is mine", psychologically speaking.
In an ironic sense, I think payola is the cause of much of the public's attitude toward music and movies.To quote a specific movie: we begin to covet by what we see every day.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965516</id>
	<title>Re:A Perfect Example (a good one):</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264846260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever looked at hybrid SACDs? They are exactly the type of secure content that would fit your (and my) criteria: a high-quality layer (5.1 or 24-bit 2.0) that is protected, and a regular CD layer that can be ripped, copied, distributed without too much hassle. Other than the insane prices of SACD players, does that fit your bill?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever looked at hybrid SACDs ?
They are exactly the type of secure content that would fit your ( and my ) criteria : a high-quality layer ( 5.1 or 24-bit 2.0 ) that is protected , and a regular CD layer that can be ripped , copied , distributed without too much hassle .
Other than the insane prices of SACD players , does that fit your bill ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever looked at hybrid SACDs?
They are exactly the type of secure content that would fit your (and my) criteria: a high-quality layer (5.1 or 24-bit 2.0) that is protected, and a regular CD layer that can be ripped, copied, distributed without too much hassle.
Other than the insane prices of SACD players, does that fit your bill?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963478</id>
	<title>Re:What do GNU/Linux users choose?</title>
	<author>TerranFury</author>
	<datestamp>1264875780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Call me old fashioned, but I buy CDs.  That works on Linux!  You get lossless, DRM-free music, and physical media which, unlike CDRs, do not degrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Call me old fashioned , but I buy CDs .
That works on Linux !
You get lossless , DRM-free music , and physical media which , unlike CDRs , do not degrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Call me old fashioned, but I buy CDs.
That works on Linux!
You get lossless, DRM-free music, and physical media which, unlike CDRs, do not degrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963130</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>mmcxii</author>
	<datestamp>1264873980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to include that music has already played itself out (no pun intended).<br> <br>Just as the RIAA get a spike in CD sales from the re-issue of back catalogs in the 90s, the P2P music wave is now largely over. People have most of the music they want today.<br> <br>And just to be clear on this, I do understand that the CD re-issue rush of the 1990s made the RIAA feel entitled to increased music sales through the 2000s. Just because the decrease in sales are understandable from a consumer level doesn't mean that piracy isn't a problem in music today. I feel that artist support is extremely important and I do not think that an artist should be forced to tour to support their art.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to include that music has already played itself out ( no pun intended ) .
Just as the RIAA get a spike in CD sales from the re-issue of back catalogs in the 90s , the P2P music wave is now largely over .
People have most of the music they want today .
And just to be clear on this , I do understand that the CD re-issue rush of the 1990s made the RIAA feel entitled to increased music sales through the 2000s .
Just because the decrease in sales are understandable from a consumer level does n't mean that piracy is n't a problem in music today .
I feel that artist support is extremely important and I do not think that an artist should be forced to tour to support their art .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to include that music has already played itself out (no pun intended).
Just as the RIAA get a spike in CD sales from the re-issue of back catalogs in the 90s, the P2P music wave is now largely over.
People have most of the music they want today.
And just to be clear on this, I do understand that the CD re-issue rush of the 1990s made the RIAA feel entitled to increased music sales through the 2000s.
Just because the decrease in sales are understandable from a consumer level doesn't mean that piracy isn't a problem in music today.
I feel that artist support is extremely important and I do not think that an artist should be forced to tour to support their art.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30968352</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264876980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book.</p></div><p>Bullshit. Your other option was to NOT GET THE FUCKING BOOK. It's not a God-given right, you know. How absolutely idiotic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book.Bullshit .
Your other option was to NOT GET THE FUCKING BOOK .
It 's not a God-given right , you know .
How absolutely idiotic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book.Bullshit.
Your other option was to NOT GET THE FUCKING BOOK.
It's not a God-given right, you know.
How absolutely idiotic.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962984</id>
	<title>What do GNU/Linux users choose?</title>
	<author>xiando</author>
	<datestamp>1264873080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>DRM does not work on some operating systems such as the one I (ab)use. It is so very strange that those who can not use legally purchased DRM content, and in most cases can't even do the legal purchase, look elsewhere.. isn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM does not work on some operating systems such as the one I ( ab ) use .
It is so very strange that those who can not use legally purchased DRM content , and in most cases ca n't even do the legal purchase , look elsewhere.. is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM does not work on some operating systems such as the one I (ab)use.
It is so very strange that those who can not use legally purchased DRM content, and in most cases can't even do the legal purchase, look elsewhere.. isn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965820</id>
	<title>Ode to Content Control</title>
	<author>ratboy666</author>
	<datestamp>1264849020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like content<br>I used to buy content<br>But then you asked for money for every blank</p><p>So fuck you</p><p>I would like to see HD movies<br>But you said Macrovision is a must<br>And I can't upscale to my TV</p><p>So fuck you</p><p>I bought into HD-DVD<br>And picked up a few nice movies<br>But the content cartel said no</p><p>So fuck you</p><p>I have divx on every player<br>And terrabytes of storage<br>But I can't buy movies that way</p><p>So fuck you</p><p>My mp3 player does wireless<br>And its legal to share songs*<br>But the player won't do it</p><p>So fuck you</p><p>*In Canada</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like contentI used to buy contentBut then you asked for money for every blankSo fuck youI would like to see HD moviesBut you said Macrovision is a mustAnd I ca n't upscale to my TVSo fuck youI bought into HD-DVDAnd picked up a few nice moviesBut the content cartel said noSo fuck youI have divx on every playerAnd terrabytes of storageBut I ca n't buy movies that waySo fuck youMy mp3 player does wirelessAnd its legal to share songs * But the player wo n't do itSo fuck you * In Canada</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like contentI used to buy contentBut then you asked for money for every blankSo fuck youI would like to see HD moviesBut you said Macrovision is a mustAnd I can't upscale to my TVSo fuck youI bought into HD-DVDAnd picked up a few nice moviesBut the content cartel said noSo fuck youI have divx on every playerAnd terrabytes of storageBut I can't buy movies that waySo fuck youMy mp3 player does wirelessAnd its legal to share songs*But the player won't do itSo fuck you*In Canada</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962872</id>
	<title>Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Lessons</title>
	<author>lkcl</author>
	<datestamp>1264872180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold of.  thus it is up to the music providers to realise this, take realistic stock, take advantage of the opportunity, and make some money by providing people what they want!</p><p>it is only by NOT selling people what they want (DRM-free music) that they are hurting their profits!</p><p>so this is something that the BBC Trust could learn from, and also the HD video data providers.  it's quite simple: there's not really that much difference between music and video.  programmes \_will\_ end up on P2P networks, period.  thus there is absolutely no point in driving up the cost of set top boxes by adding in DRM that's going to be bypassed, regardless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so it 's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks , for anyone to get hold of .
thus it is up to the music providers to realise this , take realistic stock , take advantage of the opportunity , and make some money by providing people what they want ! it is only by NOT selling people what they want ( DRM-free music ) that they are hurting their profits ! so this is something that the BBC Trust could learn from , and also the HD video data providers .
it 's quite simple : there 's not really that much difference between music and video .
programmes \ _will \ _ end up on P2P networks , period .
thus there is absolutely no point in driving up the cost of set top boxes by adding in DRM that 's going to be bypassed , regardless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold of.
thus it is up to the music providers to realise this, take realistic stock, take advantage of the opportunity, and make some money by providing people what they want!it is only by NOT selling people what they want (DRM-free music) that they are hurting their profits!so this is something that the BBC Trust could learn from, and also the HD video data providers.
it's quite simple: there's not really that much difference between music and video.
programmes \_will\_ end up on P2P networks, period.
thus there is absolutely no point in driving up the cost of set top boxes by adding in DRM that's going to be bypassed, regardless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963520</id>
	<title>Fp spo8g3.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264875960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>insisted that the mundane chores please moderate o7 programming fucking confirmed:</htmltext>
<tokenext>insisted that the mundane chores please moderate o7 programming fucking confirmed :</tokentext>
<sentencetext>insisted that the mundane chores please moderate o7 programming fucking confirmed:</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962998</id>
	<title>Irrational</title>
	<author>sonicmerlin</author>
	<datestamp>1264873200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get the sneaking suspicion the content industry will backwardly interpret the results of this study as proof that they need even *more* DRM.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get the sneaking suspicion the content industry will backwardly interpret the results of this study as proof that they need even * more * DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get the sneaking suspicion the content industry will backwardly interpret the results of this study as proof that they need even *more* DRM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963120</id>
	<title>Re:What do GNU/Linux users choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264873860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, look elsewhere for an operating system that does DRM if you want to access all that content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , look elsewhere for an operating system that does DRM if you want to access all that content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, look elsewhere for an operating system that does DRM if you want to access all that content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962894</id>
	<title>Surprisingly enough, it's true!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264872360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I discovered that I can "sample" most games and movies on 'torrent, I've downloaded quite a few of them. However, relatively recently I learned about gog.com, and over the 1.5 years since I signed up, I bought 3 of the games (all DRM-free) available there. This is surprising even to me, as games and movies are a luxury for me, at the moment (wife doesn't have a job, so I'm a sugar daddy, even though I'm just a grad student/researcher). Yet gog.com makes it all really convenient: easy to purchase and download, great titles at very affordable prices, already packaged to run on Windows 2000/XP, and I will always have those titles in my online collection, so I can download them on any computer I like. All in all, I think companies that follow their example can make a decent buck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I discovered that I can " sample " most games and movies on 'torrent , I 've downloaded quite a few of them .
However , relatively recently I learned about gog.com , and over the 1.5 years since I signed up , I bought 3 of the games ( all DRM-free ) available there .
This is surprising even to me , as games and movies are a luxury for me , at the moment ( wife does n't have a job , so I 'm a sugar daddy , even though I 'm just a grad student/researcher ) .
Yet gog.com makes it all really convenient : easy to purchase and download , great titles at very affordable prices , already packaged to run on Windows 2000/XP , and I will always have those titles in my online collection , so I can download them on any computer I like .
All in all , I think companies that follow their example can make a decent buck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I discovered that I can "sample" most games and movies on 'torrent, I've downloaded quite a few of them.
However, relatively recently I learned about gog.com, and over the 1.5 years since I signed up, I bought 3 of the games (all DRM-free) available there.
This is surprising even to me, as games and movies are a luxury for me, at the moment (wife doesn't have a job, so I'm a sugar daddy, even though I'm just a grad student/researcher).
Yet gog.com makes it all really convenient: easy to purchase and download, great titles at very affordable prices, already packaged to run on Windows 2000/XP, and I will always have those titles in my online collection, so I can download them on any computer I like.
All in all, I think companies that follow their example can make a decent buck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963660</id>
	<title>Re:Paying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264876860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it *(legally)* to ways we see fit."</p><p>You just answered your own remark.</p><p>*Legally* is the magic word.<br>You modify your car all you want, it's up to the state whether that vehicle is fit to drive on the road and whether it is legal or not.<br>You can modify your car all you want in your garage, just don't try to drive it on the road or sell it to somebody else as something that is legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it * ( legally ) * to ways we see fit .
" You just answered your own remark .
* Legally * is the magic word.You modify your car all you want , it 's up to the state whether that vehicle is fit to drive on the road and whether it is legal or not.You can modify your car all you want in your garage , just do n't try to drive it on the road or sell it to somebody else as something that is legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it *(legally)* to ways we see fit.
"You just answered your own remark.
*Legally* is the magic word.You modify your car all you want, it's up to the state whether that vehicle is fit to drive on the road and whether it is legal or not.You can modify your car all you want in your garage, just don't try to drive it on the road or sell it to somebody else as something that is legal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963864</id>
	<title>Re:Ipod</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1264877880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Odd, i was never locked in. I used 3rd party apps all the time.</p><p>Tho i agree i wasn't able to get past the initial registration without itunes, but actually USING it wasn't a problem. ( there might have been a way, but it wasn't that big of a deal to me )</p><p>Not only that, but you are not forced to buy one. We aren't talking a monopoly over basic human needs. Aside from being optional entertainment, there are plenty of other choices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Odd , i was never locked in .
I used 3rd party apps all the time.Tho i agree i was n't able to get past the initial registration without itunes , but actually USING it was n't a problem .
( there might have been a way , but it was n't that big of a deal to me ) Not only that , but you are not forced to buy one .
We are n't talking a monopoly over basic human needs .
Aside from being optional entertainment , there are plenty of other choices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odd, i was never locked in.
I used 3rd party apps all the time.Tho i agree i wasn't able to get past the initial registration without itunes, but actually USING it wasn't a problem.
( there might have been a way, but it wasn't that big of a deal to me )Not only that, but you are not forced to buy one.
We aren't talking a monopoly over basic human needs.
Aside from being optional entertainment, there are plenty of other choices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963440</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1264875660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>most of it is probably US tv shows that air months later in non-US nations that thanks to their education systems have a increasing number of people that can understand english when spoken.</p><p>so rather then wait for a month or more, and have to dodge all kinds of spoilers from US sites, they download and watch right after its been aired on US services.</p><p>heck, it would be interesting to compare this to say proxies that can handle video services from USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>most of it is probably US tv shows that air months later in non-US nations that thanks to their education systems have a increasing number of people that can understand english when spoken.so rather then wait for a month or more , and have to dodge all kinds of spoilers from US sites , they download and watch right after its been aired on US services.heck , it would be interesting to compare this to say proxies that can handle video services from USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most of it is probably US tv shows that air months later in non-US nations that thanks to their education systems have a increasing number of people that can understand english when spoken.so rather then wait for a month or more, and have to dodge all kinds of spoilers from US sites, they download and watch right after its been aired on US services.heck, it would be interesting to compare this to say proxies that can handle video services from USA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964058</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1264878960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it is sooo fun to pay $50+ for something that <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-mt4BpnfAN-o/how\_anti\_piracy\_screws\_over\_people\_who\_buy\_pc\_games/" title="metacafe.com"> <strong>doesn't actually work</strong> </a> [metacafe.com] (warning: language NSFW, but can you blame him?). And be sure to pay close attention to the shelves behind him. Notice what is on those shelves? See the thousands of dollars worth of games the guy has bought, only to have the vast majority not actually work?</p><p>I won't even buy at release anymore, because running a 64bit OS I have gotten that stupid "Insert disc in drive E:" bullshit (It IS in Drive E: you stupid &amp;\%^$^$&amp;^$! And why did I buy big honking hard drives so your stupid company can make me change discs like a PlayStation anyway?) one time too many and now refuse to touch any game that I don't already have the cracks sitting on my hard drive ready to go. Is it any wonder why people pirate? Your DRM don't work morons!</p><p>

And the worst part? The part that feels like a big kick in the nuts? It does NOTHING to stop piracy, it simply screws up your machine! Working PC repair I have thrown away more customers drives because the stupid DRM decided they must be a "filthy pirate" for daring to have a DVD burner (who doesn't nowadays? Hell even the shitty Dells come with DVD ROM/CDRWs now) or two drives and thrown one or more into PIO mode and burned them smooth up, meanwhile the pirates are laughing their asses off because unlike <em>my retail discs</em> which want me to keep switching discs and jumping through flaming hoops only not to work a good 60\%+ of the time, their pirate versions <strong>actually work</strong>. No need for discs, or jumping through hoops, or DRM that can make your PC more unstable than Win98 with a bad VXD driver, nope, theirs just works. And they wonder why there are so many pirates? Try not kicking your customers in the balls, how about that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it is sooo fun to pay $ 50 + for something that does n't actually work [ metacafe.com ] ( warning : language NSFW , but can you blame him ? ) .
And be sure to pay close attention to the shelves behind him .
Notice what is on those shelves ?
See the thousands of dollars worth of games the guy has bought , only to have the vast majority not actually work ? I wo n't even buy at release anymore , because running a 64bit OS I have gotten that stupid " Insert disc in drive E : " bullshit ( It IS in Drive E : you stupid &amp; \ % ^ $ ^ $ &amp; ^ $ !
And why did I buy big honking hard drives so your stupid company can make me change discs like a PlayStation anyway ?
) one time too many and now refuse to touch any game that I do n't already have the cracks sitting on my hard drive ready to go .
Is it any wonder why people pirate ?
Your DRM do n't work morons !
And the worst part ?
The part that feels like a big kick in the nuts ?
It does NOTHING to stop piracy , it simply screws up your machine !
Working PC repair I have thrown away more customers drives because the stupid DRM decided they must be a " filthy pirate " for daring to have a DVD burner ( who does n't nowadays ?
Hell even the shitty Dells come with DVD ROM/CDRWs now ) or two drives and thrown one or more into PIO mode and burned them smooth up , meanwhile the pirates are laughing their asses off because unlike my retail discs which want me to keep switching discs and jumping through flaming hoops only not to work a good 60 \ % + of the time , their pirate versions actually work .
No need for discs , or jumping through hoops , or DRM that can make your PC more unstable than Win98 with a bad VXD driver , nope , theirs just works .
And they wonder why there are so many pirates ?
Try not kicking your customers in the balls , how about that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it is sooo fun to pay $50+ for something that  doesn't actually work  [metacafe.com] (warning: language NSFW, but can you blame him?).
And be sure to pay close attention to the shelves behind him.
Notice what is on those shelves?
See the thousands of dollars worth of games the guy has bought, only to have the vast majority not actually work?I won't even buy at release anymore, because running a 64bit OS I have gotten that stupid "Insert disc in drive E:" bullshit (It IS in Drive E: you stupid &amp;\%^$^$&amp;^$!
And why did I buy big honking hard drives so your stupid company can make me change discs like a PlayStation anyway?
) one time too many and now refuse to touch any game that I don't already have the cracks sitting on my hard drive ready to go.
Is it any wonder why people pirate?
Your DRM don't work morons!
And the worst part?
The part that feels like a big kick in the nuts?
It does NOTHING to stop piracy, it simply screws up your machine!
Working PC repair I have thrown away more customers drives because the stupid DRM decided they must be a "filthy pirate" for daring to have a DVD burner (who doesn't nowadays?
Hell even the shitty Dells come with DVD ROM/CDRWs now) or two drives and thrown one or more into PIO mode and burned them smooth up, meanwhile the pirates are laughing their asses off because unlike my retail discs which want me to keep switching discs and jumping through flaming hoops only not to work a good 60\%+ of the time, their pirate versions actually work.
No need for discs, or jumping through hoops, or DRM that can make your PC more unstable than Win98 with a bad VXD driver, nope, theirs just works.
And they wonder why there are so many pirates?
Try not kicking your customers in the balls, how about that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963386</id>
	<title>Ipod</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1264875420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I do not necessarily mind paying for music.  I <b> <i>do</i> </b> mind being told what type of device I can play my music on.  That, my friends, is tyranny.  This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk.  We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it.  This is very much like purchasing a car, truck, or motocycle and customizing it.  We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it (legally) to ways we see fit.  In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.</p></div><p>Ok, so write your own firmware on the device and do what you want.. No one is stopping you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not necessarily mind paying for music .
I do mind being told what type of device I can play my music on .
That , my friends , is tyranny .
This leads me to another gripe : The iPod and its ilk .
We bought the device , therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it .
This is very much like purchasing a car , truck , or motocycle and customizing it .
We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it ( legally ) to ways we see fit .
In this day and age , it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.Ok , so write your own firmware on the device and do what you want.. No one is stopping you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not necessarily mind paying for music.
I  do  mind being told what type of device I can play my music on.
That, my friends, is tyranny.
This leads me to another gripe: The iPod and its ilk.
We bought the device, therefore we own it and should have the right to modify it to work the way we want it.
This is very much like purchasing a car, truck, or motocycle and customizing it.
We purchase the vehicle so we own it and can modify it (legally) to ways we see fit.
In this day and age, it looks like we purchase the license or right to use something which stifles innovation and puts us even further technologically behind other countries.Ok, so write your own firmware on the device and do what you want.. No one is stopping you.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962912</id>
	<title>DRM = loss</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1264872480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The RIAA / MPAA force through laws via easily bought politicians that benefit the dinosaur music / film industries. They will therefore not benefit from using the argument that stripping DRM dives more sales.</p><p>A reason that BluRay has not taken off in the way they hoped is the attempt to stop the discs playing on non-authorised drives (didn't pay the bribes), region locking / cartel protection etc. etc, and you can't back up the content to a different device (in theory, and not easily). The record industry sells fake audio CD's, taking off the CDDA logo and putting in "copy protection", breaking the Red-Book standard.</p><p>Consumers have had enough of being shafted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA / MPAA force through laws via easily bought politicians that benefit the dinosaur music / film industries .
They will therefore not benefit from using the argument that stripping DRM dives more sales.A reason that BluRay has not taken off in the way they hoped is the attempt to stop the discs playing on non-authorised drives ( did n't pay the bribes ) , region locking / cartel protection etc .
etc , and you ca n't back up the content to a different device ( in theory , and not easily ) .
The record industry sells fake audio CD 's , taking off the CDDA logo and putting in " copy protection " , breaking the Red-Book standard.Consumers have had enough of being shafted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA / MPAA force through laws via easily bought politicians that benefit the dinosaur music / film industries.
They will therefore not benefit from using the argument that stripping DRM dives more sales.A reason that BluRay has not taken off in the way they hoped is the attempt to stop the discs playing on non-authorised drives (didn't pay the bribes), region locking / cartel protection etc.
etc, and you can't back up the content to a different device (in theory, and not easily).
The record industry sells fake audio CD's, taking off the CDDA logo and putting in "copy protection", breaking the Red-Book standard.Consumers have had enough of being shafted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963854</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>RoFLKOPTr</author>
	<datestamp>1264877880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p></div><p>Because porn subscriptions are $30-40/mo.</p><p>......how I know this is irrelevant</p></div>
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<tokenext>b ) A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? Because porn subscriptions are $ 30-40/mo.......how I know this is irrelevant</tokentext>
<sentencetext>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?Because porn subscriptions are $30-40/mo.......how I know this is irrelevant
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963362</id>
	<title>you FAIL it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264875300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At my freelance I read the 7atest look at th3 bombshell hit</htmltext>
<tokenext>At my freelance I read the 7atest look at th3 bombshell hit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my freelance I read the 7atest look at th3 bombshell hit</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964342</id>
	<title>Re:Paying</title>
	<author>cynyr</author>
	<datestamp>1264881000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>most of the non legal way you can modify a car/truck(and still have it be a "car"/"truck" not a bomb)  just make it not street legal. A lot of states in the USA have an "off road" permit with very very lax standards, but just because it has a ORV sticker on it doesn't mean you get to drive it on the roads. Also you can probably drive what ever you want in your backyard, at least outside of the city.</p><p>I do agree with you. If i paid you money and did not sign an agreement along with your represenitive I bought it, not rented/leased/licesened it. Therefore it's mine, and I can do WTF i want with it for my own use(i would even argue that I can for free make unlimited exact copies, or let people make their own copies. Yes i would do this with my car if it were cheep and accessible enough.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>most of the non legal way you can modify a car/truck ( and still have it be a " car " / " truck " not a bomb ) just make it not street legal .
A lot of states in the USA have an " off road " permit with very very lax standards , but just because it has a ORV sticker on it does n't mean you get to drive it on the roads .
Also you can probably drive what ever you want in your backyard , at least outside of the city.I do agree with you .
If i paid you money and did not sign an agreement along with your represenitive I bought it , not rented/leased/licesened it .
Therefore it 's mine , and I can do WTF i want with it for my own use ( i would even argue that I can for free make unlimited exact copies , or let people make their own copies .
Yes i would do this with my car if it were cheep and accessible enough .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most of the non legal way you can modify a car/truck(and still have it be a "car"/"truck" not a bomb)  just make it not street legal.
A lot of states in the USA have an "off road" permit with very very lax standards, but just because it has a ORV sticker on it doesn't mean you get to drive it on the roads.
Also you can probably drive what ever you want in your backyard, at least outside of the city.I do agree with you.
If i paid you money and did not sign an agreement along with your represenitive I bought it, not rented/leased/licesened it.
Therefore it's mine, and I can do WTF i want with it for my own use(i would even argue that I can for free make unlimited exact copies, or let people make their own copies.
Yes i would do this with my car if it were cheep and accessible enough.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963152</id>
	<title>case in point</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264874100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can confirm this (anecdotally, of course) with my own behaviors. If a PC game comes out that I want, and it incorporates some form of DRM, I will wait until I can get a NoCD patch (or some other mechanism) that removes the DRM from the game. I've had SecuROM screw with my system one too many times to mess with it again. I still buy the game, but I make sure there's a way I'll be able to play it without the headaches before I get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can confirm this ( anecdotally , of course ) with my own behaviors .
If a PC game comes out that I want , and it incorporates some form of DRM , I will wait until I can get a NoCD patch ( or some other mechanism ) that removes the DRM from the game .
I 've had SecuROM screw with my system one too many times to mess with it again .
I still buy the game , but I make sure there 's a way I 'll be able to play it without the headaches before I get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can confirm this (anecdotally, of course) with my own behaviors.
If a PC game comes out that I want, and it incorporates some form of DRM, I will wait until I can get a NoCD patch (or some other mechanism) that removes the DRM from the game.
I've had SecuROM screw with my system one too many times to mess with it again.
I still buy the game, but I make sure there's a way I'll be able to play it without the headaches before I get it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964100</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less</title>
	<author>Thoreauly Nuts</author>
	<datestamp>1264879140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold of</p></div><p>Slightly off-topic, but I was doing research recently on how prolific various artists were over the last 50 years and hence needed to get the lengths of their studio albums to determine it. For artists from the 60s it was often impossible to get this information from Internet discographies. As such, I simply pirated the music to get the running times.</p><p>Rather ironic that piracy does a better job of preserving information about our historical artistic culture than the legitimate Internet in my specific case.</p><p>I actually did delete every file I downloaded once I got the info I needed BTW. Not because I care in the slightest about copyright, but because I don't support patented formats, and hence won't use mp3s.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>all music that people want ends up on P2P networks , for anyone to get hold ofSlightly off-topic , but I was doing research recently on how prolific various artists were over the last 50 years and hence needed to get the lengths of their studio albums to determine it .
For artists from the 60s it was often impossible to get this information from Internet discographies .
As such , I simply pirated the music to get the running times.Rather ironic that piracy does a better job of preserving information about our historical artistic culture than the legitimate Internet in my specific case.I actually did delete every file I downloaded once I got the info I needed BTW .
Not because I care in the slightest about copyright , but because I do n't support patented formats , and hence wo n't use mp3s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all music that people want ends up on P2P networks, for anyone to get hold ofSlightly off-topic, but I was doing research recently on how prolific various artists were over the last 50 years and hence needed to get the lengths of their studio albums to determine it.
For artists from the 60s it was often impossible to get this information from Internet discographies.
As such, I simply pirated the music to get the running times.Rather ironic that piracy does a better job of preserving information about our historical artistic culture than the legitimate Internet in my specific case.I actually did delete every file I downloaded once I got the info I needed BTW.
Not because I care in the slightest about copyright, but because I don't support patented formats, and hence won't use mp3s.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964610</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>morcego</author>
	<datestamp>1264883100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM is just part of this race to P2P.<br>I always payed for my EBooks. They were cheap and easy. I get them in a few seconds, instead of having to wait days for delivery.<br>Ok, I live outside USA, so ordering paper books is always a exercise in patience.<br>Now, the last time I tried to buy an e-book, I've got a message I could not buy it because I was outside the USA. It was a restriction imposed by the publisher. Now:<br>1) I can't get those in my country<br>2) Even if I could, it would be a translated version (which sucks)</p><p>So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book. Took me 5 minutes, tops and, since I could not download that single ebook, I ended up downloading (and reading) other books by the same author.</p><p>I WANT to PAY for my content. But things get to a point where they simply won't take my money. And then they complain about piracy. It is just ridiculous. I contacted the bookstore and even the publisher to try and sort this out, but simply could not BUY the ebook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM is just part of this race to P2P.I always payed for my EBooks .
They were cheap and easy .
I get them in a few seconds , instead of having to wait days for delivery.Ok , I live outside USA , so ordering paper books is always a exercise in patience.Now , the last time I tried to buy an e-book , I 've got a message I could not buy it because I was outside the USA .
It was a restriction imposed by the publisher .
Now : 1 ) I ca n't get those in my country2 ) Even if I could , it would be a translated version ( which sucks ) So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book .
Took me 5 minutes , tops and , since I could not download that single ebook , I ended up downloading ( and reading ) other books by the same author.I WANT to PAY for my content .
But things get to a point where they simply wo n't take my money .
And then they complain about piracy .
It is just ridiculous .
I contacted the bookstore and even the publisher to try and sort this out , but simply could not BUY the ebook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM is just part of this race to P2P.I always payed for my EBooks.
They were cheap and easy.
I get them in a few seconds, instead of having to wait days for delivery.Ok, I live outside USA, so ordering paper books is always a exercise in patience.Now, the last time I tried to buy an e-book, I've got a message I could not buy it because I was outside the USA.
It was a restriction imposed by the publisher.
Now:1) I can't get those in my country2) Even if I could, it would be a translated version (which sucks)So my only option was to get a pirated version of the book.
Took me 5 minutes, tops and, since I could not download that single ebook, I ended up downloading (and reading) other books by the same author.I WANT to PAY for my content.
But things get to a point where they simply won't take my money.
And then they complain about piracy.
It is just ridiculous.
I contacted the bookstore and even the publisher to try and sort this out, but simply could not BUY the ebook.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963298</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>TerranFury</author>
	<datestamp>1264874940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p></div><p>People are embarrassed to be associated with porn -- they don't want it showing up on their credit card bill, or to be seen purchasing it -- whereas a subscription to Netflix or one of the music stores causes them no embarrassment at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? People are embarrassed to be associated with porn -- they do n't want it showing up on their credit card bill , or to be seen purchasing it -- whereas a subscription to Netflix or one of the music stores causes them no embarrassment at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?People are embarrassed to be associated with porn -- they don't want it showing up on their credit card bill, or to be seen purchasing it -- whereas a subscription to Netflix or one of the music stores causes them no embarrassment at all.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963732</id>
	<title>Let's Not Forget Study Bias</title>
	<author>MyFirstNameIsPaul</author>
	<datestamp>1264877220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously RIAA and MPAA will commission a study of their own that will find that the reason people pirate is that they are evil and want to steal the property of their poor, starving artists.  But of course the bias of the study is in favor of the rights holders because they foot the bill for the study.</p><p>OTOH, this study suggests that people just want to own what they purchase and use whatever means available to make the ownership permanent.  But of course the bias of the study is</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously RIAA and MPAA will commission a study of their own that will find that the reason people pirate is that they are evil and want to steal the property of their poor , starving artists .
But of course the bias of the study is in favor of the rights holders because they foot the bill for the study.OTOH , this study suggests that people just want to own what they purchase and use whatever means available to make the ownership permanent .
But of course the bias of the study is</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously RIAA and MPAA will commission a study of their own that will find that the reason people pirate is that they are evil and want to steal the property of their poor, starving artists.
But of course the bias of the study is in favor of the rights holders because they foot the bill for the study.OTOH, this study suggests that people just want to own what they purchase and use whatever means available to make the ownership permanent.
But of course the bias of the study is</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962908</id>
	<title>Re:A note about the study</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264872480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers. There's no reason for them to use DHT.</p></div></blockquote><p>
No reason? Bullshit. Maintaining a tracker is not trivial, particularly if you're a small project. It's extra work, extra server resources, and another avenue for potential security problems. Putting up a trackerless torrent (or using a public tracker) with a webseed takes almost zero effort.
<br> <br>
And a big chunk of piracy takes place on private trackers, which explicitly ban DHT.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Legit torrents , like Jamendo and Linux distributions , usually use their own trackers .
There 's no reason for them to use DHT .
No reason ?
Bullshit. Maintaining a tracker is not trivial , particularly if you 're a small project .
It 's extra work , extra server resources , and another avenue for potential security problems .
Putting up a trackerless torrent ( or using a public tracker ) with a webseed takes almost zero effort .
And a big chunk of piracy takes place on private trackers , which explicitly ban DHT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers.
There's no reason for them to use DHT.
No reason?
Bullshit. Maintaining a tracker is not trivial, particularly if you're a small project.
It's extra work, extra server resources, and another avenue for potential security problems.
Putting up a trackerless torrent (or using a public tracker) with a webseed takes almost zero effort.
And a big chunk of piracy takes place on private trackers, which explicitly ban DHT.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963222</id>
	<title>A Perfect Example:</title>
	<author>nuclearpenguins</author>
	<datestamp>1264874340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>So I went out and bought the ultra Blu-Ray edition of the newest Star Trek movie. On the cover it was advertised that it contained a digital copy for me to use. Cool, I thought that I would just put the digital copy on my media server that streams to the various viewing centers of the house.
<br>
<br>
No dice.
<br>
<br>
The digital copy is DRM'ed up the wazoo, (and the quality is severely lacking) and will only allow itself to be played from certain devices and no streaming allowed. You must also register with the home servers before you're allowed to take the copy of the file off of the disc and it is limited to being on that one hard drive. You cannot reinstall it if you lose your data somehow.
<br>
<br>
So what did I do? I "acquired" a Blu-Ray rip<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mkv file of the movie. Plays perfectly on everything I want it to.
<br>
<br>
Eat me, movie industry. Offer me something that fits my needs, not yours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I went out and bought the ultra Blu-Ray edition of the newest Star Trek movie .
On the cover it was advertised that it contained a digital copy for me to use .
Cool , I thought that I would just put the digital copy on my media server that streams to the various viewing centers of the house .
No dice .
The digital copy is DRM'ed up the wazoo , ( and the quality is severely lacking ) and will only allow itself to be played from certain devices and no streaming allowed .
You must also register with the home servers before you 're allowed to take the copy of the file off of the disc and it is limited to being on that one hard drive .
You can not reinstall it if you lose your data somehow .
So what did I do ?
I " acquired " a Blu-Ray rip .mkv file of the movie .
Plays perfectly on everything I want it to .
Eat me , movie industry .
Offer me something that fits my needs , not yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I went out and bought the ultra Blu-Ray edition of the newest Star Trek movie.
On the cover it was advertised that it contained a digital copy for me to use.
Cool, I thought that I would just put the digital copy on my media server that streams to the various viewing centers of the house.
No dice.
The digital copy is DRM'ed up the wazoo, (and the quality is severely lacking) and will only allow itself to be played from certain devices and no streaming allowed.
You must also register with the home servers before you're allowed to take the copy of the file off of the disc and it is limited to being on that one hard drive.
You cannot reinstall it if you lose your data somehow.
So what did I do?
I "acquired" a Blu-Ray rip .mkv file of the movie.
Plays perfectly on everything I want it to.
Eat me, movie industry.
Offer me something that fits my needs, not yours.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963872</id>
	<title>be lazy copyright today</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264878000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yup be lazy make somehting and then sit back get fat like a big fat roman of days gone buy</p><p>think of your wealth when YOU gouge and can screw everyone. HAVE parties with drugs and whores on boats celebrating your operating systems that help in this endeavor. MAKE secret treaties and have your companies sit in and make the worlds policies. WHO needs democracy. CORPORATIONS DONT.</p><p>SPEAK LOUD OFTEN AND EVERYWHERE<br>12 YEAR MAX COPYRIGHTS WILL END ALL THIS PROBLEMS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yup be lazy make somehting and then sit back get fat like a big fat roman of days gone buythink of your wealth when YOU gouge and can screw everyone .
HAVE parties with drugs and whores on boats celebrating your operating systems that help in this endeavor .
MAKE secret treaties and have your companies sit in and make the worlds policies .
WHO needs democracy .
CORPORATIONS DONT.SPEAK LOUD OFTEN AND EVERYWHERE12 YEAR MAX COPYRIGHTS WILL END ALL THIS PROBLEMS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yup be lazy make somehting and then sit back get fat like a big fat roman of days gone buythink of your wealth when YOU gouge and can screw everyone.
HAVE parties with drugs and whores on boats celebrating your operating systems that help in this endeavor.
MAKE secret treaties and have your companies sit in and make the worlds policies.
WHO needs democracy.
CORPORATIONS DONT.SPEAK LOUD OFTEN AND EVERYWHERE12 YEAR MAX COPYRIGHTS WILL END ALL THIS PROBLEMS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963672</id>
	<title>Re:A note about the study</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264876920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers. So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content.</i> </p><p>Let's be realistic about this.</p><p>The geek may download the nightly build more often than he changes his boxers or briefs.</p><p>But you won't go far wrong in assuming that the DVD sized P2P download is a pirated game or a video.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Legit torrents , like Jamendo and Linux distributions , usually use their own trackers .
So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content .
Let 's be realistic about this.The geek may download the nightly build more often than he changes his boxers or briefs.But you wo n't go far wrong in assuming that the DVD sized P2P download is a pirated game or a video .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers.
So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content.
Let's be realistic about this.The geek may download the nightly build more often than he changes his boxers or briefs.But you won't go far wrong in assuming that the DVD sized P2P download is a pirated game or a video.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963598</id>
	<title>Re:What do GNU/Linux users choose?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264876440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I go for convenience, and currently, the most convenient way to get movies is from cheap, DRM-free sites like Movieberry and similar which will saturate my connection, fast enough to stream multiple H.264 1080p streams at once.  Bittorrent speeds are painfully slow for me, (throttled too), and I use it if there are no legitimate DRM-free outlets.<br>If every user was like me, DRM would die very fast, but unfortunately that will probably never be the case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I go for convenience , and currently , the most convenient way to get movies is from cheap , DRM-free sites like Movieberry and similar which will saturate my connection , fast enough to stream multiple H.264 1080p streams at once .
Bittorrent speeds are painfully slow for me , ( throttled too ) , and I use it if there are no legitimate DRM-free outlets.If every user was like me , DRM would die very fast , but unfortunately that will probably never be the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I go for convenience, and currently, the most convenient way to get movies is from cheap, DRM-free sites like Movieberry and similar which will saturate my connection, fast enough to stream multiple H.264 1080p streams at once.
Bittorrent speeds are painfully slow for me, (throttled too), and I use it if there are no legitimate DRM-free outlets.If every user was like me, DRM would die very fast, but unfortunately that will probably never be the case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30967256</id>
	<title>the obvious conclusion / Napster</title>
	<author>brit74</author>
	<datestamp>1264861620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM. The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion."</i> <br>
The obvious conclusion is "create DRM that can't be cracked"?  (Ah, I kid. I kid.)
<br>
Seriously, though.  There was a time when no music had DRM.  That didn't stop Napster from being extremely popular.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM .
The MPAA , of course , will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion .
" The obvious conclusion is " create DRM that ca n't be cracked " ?
( Ah , I kid .
I kid .
) Seriously , though .
There was a time when no music had DRM .
That did n't stop Napster from being extremely popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It appears that users largely turn to P2P to acquire DRM-free versions of content that is distributed with DRM.
The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion.
" 
The obvious conclusion is "create DRM that can't be cracked"?
(Ah, I kid.
I kid.
)

Seriously, though.
There was a time when no music had DRM.
That didn't stop Napster from being extremely popular.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965564</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264846680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p><p>Correlation does not mean causation.</p></div><p>Because people don't want records of porn purchases on their credit cards ? Or maybe they don't want to get caught walking out of a porn shop ?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>b ) A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? Correlation does not mean causation.Because people do n't want records of porn purchases on their credit cards ?
Or maybe they do n't want to get caught walking out of a porn shop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?Correlation does not mean causation.Because people don't want records of porn purchases on their credit cards ?
Or maybe they don't want to get caught walking out of a porn shop ?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964206</id>
	<title>Re:DRM = loss</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264879860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>A reason that BluRay has not taken off in the way they hoped is the attempt to stop the discs playing on non-authorised drives (didn't pay the bribes), region locking / cartel protection etc. etc</i> </p><p>Blu-Ray did rather well in 2009. <a href="http://hd.engadget.com/2010/01/18/blu-ray-sales-were-up-67-percent-in-2009/" title="engadget.com">Blu-ray sales were up 67 percent in 2009</a> [engadget.com]</p><p>There are only three Blu-Ray regions.</p><p>A1 is North and South America, East Asia, excluding China and Mongolia, Southeast Asia and Japan. This does not strike me as any great hardship.</p><p>The Blu-Ray player with Netflix streaming starts at $140.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A reason that BluRay has not taken off in the way they hoped is the attempt to stop the discs playing on non-authorised drives ( did n't pay the bribes ) , region locking / cartel protection etc .
etc Blu-Ray did rather well in 2009 .
Blu-ray sales were up 67 percent in 2009 [ engadget.com ] There are only three Blu-Ray regions.A1 is North and South America , East Asia , excluding China and Mongolia , Southeast Asia and Japan .
This does not strike me as any great hardship.The Blu-Ray player with Netflix streaming starts at $ 140 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A reason that BluRay has not taken off in the way they hoped is the attempt to stop the discs playing on non-authorised drives (didn't pay the bribes), region locking / cartel protection etc.
etc Blu-Ray did rather well in 2009.
Blu-ray sales were up 67 percent in 2009 [engadget.com]There are only three Blu-Ray regions.A1 is North and South America, East Asia, excluding China and Mongolia, Southeast Asia and Japan.
This does not strike me as any great hardship.The Blu-Ray player with Netflix streaming starts at $140.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963166</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>mark-t</author>
	<datestamp>1264874100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
c) Piracy (in the sense of copying another's work that they did not want others to copied) has been going on long before DRM was ever invented or even called that name.  It's older than the notion of copyright itself.
</p><p>
DRM might be the cause of some (minor, but not necessarily insignificant) amount of piracy today, but there's something far more fundamental as a real underlying cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>c ) Piracy ( in the sense of copying another 's work that they did not want others to copied ) has been going on long before DRM was ever invented or even called that name .
It 's older than the notion of copyright itself .
DRM might be the cause of some ( minor , but not necessarily insignificant ) amount of piracy today , but there 's something far more fundamental as a real underlying cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
c) Piracy (in the sense of copying another's work that they did not want others to copied) has been going on long before DRM was ever invented or even called that name.
It's older than the notion of copyright itself.
DRM might be the cause of some (minor, but not necessarily insignificant) amount of piracy today, but there's something far more fundamental as a real underlying cause.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963498</id>
	<title>Re:A Perfect Example:</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1264875900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have several blu-ray discs, PowerDVD, a computer with the guts to play the format, and I've never played one on my PC. Every time I try to play a BR disc, PDVD always spends several minutes trying to download new "updates" (generally &gt;48MB), and then usually fails with some error. Now, this is on a machine that has only a remote control, so doing anything mouse-centric or requiring KB input requires marching into a different room and plugging in a keyboard. If I download an mkv of the same movie from us...et (first rule and all that), the worst I have to do is run it through MKVtoolnix to get the english track as the default, since W7MC still doesn't quite understand the container can have multiple audio tracks.  Half the time, I download the movie first, and if it's a "keeper," I buy it when it becomes available.  I have the slysoft software to rip myself, but it's more work and the files are quite a bit larger. I own over 300 movies, and probably have 20 or so I haven't bought - most of those I haven't watched yet (just too busy). Getting a disc with the movie "in the clear" so I can load it onlo the media PC, and a pre-compressed version for the car/ipod would be great, but I'm not holding my breath.</p><p>As for the "digital copy" - I haven't even tried it. From the description on the front, it looks like you can just copy the file to your device. From the back you realize that it's practically useless unless you don't mind installing something from Macrovision (never to be trusted) and only to very specific devices. No thanks - that's way to much F***ing with my well-honed, efficient system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have several blu-ray discs , PowerDVD , a computer with the guts to play the format , and I 've never played one on my PC .
Every time I try to play a BR disc , PDVD always spends several minutes trying to download new " updates " ( generally &gt; 48MB ) , and then usually fails with some error .
Now , this is on a machine that has only a remote control , so doing anything mouse-centric or requiring KB input requires marching into a different room and plugging in a keyboard .
If I download an mkv of the same movie from us...et ( first rule and all that ) , the worst I have to do is run it through MKVtoolnix to get the english track as the default , since W7MC still does n't quite understand the container can have multiple audio tracks .
Half the time , I download the movie first , and if it 's a " keeper , " I buy it when it becomes available .
I have the slysoft software to rip myself , but it 's more work and the files are quite a bit larger .
I own over 300 movies , and probably have 20 or so I have n't bought - most of those I have n't watched yet ( just too busy ) .
Getting a disc with the movie " in the clear " so I can load it onlo the media PC , and a pre-compressed version for the car/ipod would be great , but I 'm not holding my breath.As for the " digital copy " - I have n't even tried it .
From the description on the front , it looks like you can just copy the file to your device .
From the back you realize that it 's practically useless unless you do n't mind installing something from Macrovision ( never to be trusted ) and only to very specific devices .
No thanks - that 's way to much F * * * ing with my well-honed , efficient system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have several blu-ray discs, PowerDVD, a computer with the guts to play the format, and I've never played one on my PC.
Every time I try to play a BR disc, PDVD always spends several minutes trying to download new "updates" (generally &gt;48MB), and then usually fails with some error.
Now, this is on a machine that has only a remote control, so doing anything mouse-centric or requiring KB input requires marching into a different room and plugging in a keyboard.
If I download an mkv of the same movie from us...et (first rule and all that), the worst I have to do is run it through MKVtoolnix to get the english track as the default, since W7MC still doesn't quite understand the container can have multiple audio tracks.
Half the time, I download the movie first, and if it's a "keeper," I buy it when it becomes available.
I have the slysoft software to rip myself, but it's more work and the files are quite a bit larger.
I own over 300 movies, and probably have 20 or so I haven't bought - most of those I haven't watched yet (just too busy).
Getting a disc with the movie "in the clear" so I can load it onlo the media PC, and a pre-compressed version for the car/ipod would be great, but I'm not holding my breath.As for the "digital copy" - I haven't even tried it.
From the description on the front, it looks like you can just copy the file to your device.
From the back you realize that it's practically useless unless you don't mind installing something from Macrovision (never to be trusted) and only to very specific devices.
No thanks - that's way to much F***ing with my well-honed, efficient system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964024</id>
	<title>Open + easy to access = I spend</title>
	<author>Turmoyl</author>
	<datestamp>1264878840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I understand what the article is implying.

I used to pirate music, but then Amazon came along with decent quality MP3s that I can purchase at a reasonable price through an easy interface, and which play on anything.  If I want something that can't be found on Amazon I still go P2P for it, but this activity is lessening as my library becomes more complete and Amazon keeps adding content.

I used to pirate movies but then the Roku player came out and I was able to tie our Netflix account right into it.  Now I get decent quality movies and episodes on demand, for no more ongoing cost than I was already paying for the Netflix account and an Internet connection.

In other words, when things work to my benefit I spend money.  When they work towards an evil empire's benefit I do everything I can to rip it off.  So if you want me to spend money you've got to let go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand what the article is implying .
I used to pirate music , but then Amazon came along with decent quality MP3s that I can purchase at a reasonable price through an easy interface , and which play on anything .
If I want something that ca n't be found on Amazon I still go P2P for it , but this activity is lessening as my library becomes more complete and Amazon keeps adding content .
I used to pirate movies but then the Roku player came out and I was able to tie our Netflix account right into it .
Now I get decent quality movies and episodes on demand , for no more ongoing cost than I was already paying for the Netflix account and an Internet connection .
In other words , when things work to my benefit I spend money .
When they work towards an evil empire 's benefit I do everything I can to rip it off .
So if you want me to spend money you 've got to let go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand what the article is implying.
I used to pirate music, but then Amazon came along with decent quality MP3s that I can purchase at a reasonable price through an easy interface, and which play on anything.
If I want something that can't be found on Amazon I still go P2P for it, but this activity is lessening as my library becomes more complete and Amazon keeps adding content.
I used to pirate movies but then the Roku player came out and I was able to tie our Netflix account right into it.
Now I get decent quality movies and episodes on demand, for no more ongoing cost than I was already paying for the Netflix account and an Internet connection.
In other words, when things work to my benefit I spend money.
When they work towards an evil empire's benefit I do everything I can to rip it off.
So if you want me to spend money you've got to let go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964304</id>
	<title>ARS Hypocrisy</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1264880760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's some DRM hypocrisy at work in ARS Technica's rework of the original blog article: when I try to print this article, everything prints, including the XKCD comic, *EXCEPT* the graphic pie chart contributed by ARS (the original blog had a simple numeric table). I tried printing it in two browsers and got the same result in both instances: no pie chart. I also tried selecting just the article column and printing just the selection, again in two browsers, and again got the same result: everything except the pie chart.</p><p>It would seem that ARS rather deliberately designed this article page to prevent that graphic from printing along with the article, in spite of the implication inherent in the presence of a "Print this story" button on that same page. ARS doesn't in fact truly allow printing this story, because the story is incomplete without both the graphic and the original blog's numeric table.</p><p>I was finally able to print the article, complete with the graphic, by editing the HTML source of the page and stripping out the CSS and scripts.  I'm sure someone else can analyze those and figure out the specific method behind ARS' little DRM-like trick, but the fact that I had to "pirate" the article in order to simply print it for fair use is deliciously hypocritical of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's some DRM hypocrisy at work in ARS Technica 's rework of the original blog article : when I try to print this article , everything prints , including the XKCD comic , * EXCEPT * the graphic pie chart contributed by ARS ( the original blog had a simple numeric table ) .
I tried printing it in two browsers and got the same result in both instances : no pie chart .
I also tried selecting just the article column and printing just the selection , again in two browsers , and again got the same result : everything except the pie chart.It would seem that ARS rather deliberately designed this article page to prevent that graphic from printing along with the article , in spite of the implication inherent in the presence of a " Print this story " button on that same page .
ARS does n't in fact truly allow printing this story , because the story is incomplete without both the graphic and the original blog 's numeric table.I was finally able to print the article , complete with the graphic , by editing the HTML source of the page and stripping out the CSS and scripts .
I 'm sure someone else can analyze those and figure out the specific method behind ARS ' little DRM-like trick , but the fact that I had to " pirate " the article in order to simply print it for fair use is deliciously hypocritical of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's some DRM hypocrisy at work in ARS Technica's rework of the original blog article: when I try to print this article, everything prints, including the XKCD comic, *EXCEPT* the graphic pie chart contributed by ARS (the original blog had a simple numeric table).
I tried printing it in two browsers and got the same result in both instances: no pie chart.
I also tried selecting just the article column and printing just the selection, again in two browsers, and again got the same result: everything except the pie chart.It would seem that ARS rather deliberately designed this article page to prevent that graphic from printing along with the article, in spite of the implication inherent in the presence of a "Print this story" button on that same page.
ARS doesn't in fact truly allow printing this story, because the story is incomplete without both the graphic and the original blog's numeric table.I was finally able to print the article, complete with the graphic, by editing the HTML source of the page and stripping out the CSS and scripts.
I'm sure someone else can analyze those and figure out the specific method behind ARS' little DRM-like trick, but the fact that I had to "pirate" the article in order to simply print it for fair use is deliciously hypocritical of them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963474</id>
	<title>Re:Paying</title>
	<author>kainewynd2</author>
	<datestamp>1264875780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a car, truck or even a motorcycle.  An iPod/iPhone is an appliance much like a toaster (a really <i>really</i> advanced toaster).</p><p>For people who can put *nix on a toaster, doing the same to an iProduct is the same.</p><p> <b>HINT:</b> Most people don't modify their toasters...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a car , truck or even a motorcycle .
An iPod/iPhone is an appliance much like a toaster ( a really really advanced toaster ) .For people who can put * nix on a toaster , doing the same to an iProduct is the same .
HINT : Most people do n't modify their toasters.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a car, truck or even a motorcycle.
An iPod/iPhone is an appliance much like a toaster (a really really advanced toaster).For people who can put *nix on a toaster, doing the same to an iProduct is the same.
HINT: Most people don't modify their toasters...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963564</id>
	<title>Re:Ipod</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264876260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>There's no reason whatsoever why an ipod should exclusively be locked to itunes for data transfers. Twats like you only reinforce apple's outrageous obsession with control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no reason whatsoever why an ipod should exclusively be locked to itunes for data transfers .
Twats like you only reinforce apple 's outrageous obsession with control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no reason whatsoever why an ipod should exclusively be locked to itunes for data transfers.
Twats like you only reinforce apple's outrageous obsession with control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963250</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>CrazeeCracker</author>
	<datestamp>1264874520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Basically, this is based on the correlation that "hey, most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv, porn, and software, almost no pirated music" and "you can get DRM-free music easily, but not movies/tv, porn, and software" as implying "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff".</p></div><p>*sigh* Alright, let's look at the points you're making here:</p><blockquote><div><p>Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL. BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Firstly, bittorrent's strength lies in distributing files efficiently when there is a high demand for them, regardless of size -- something which ordinary server-client scenarios aren't particularly good at. Even if what you're saying is directly and unambiguously true, it doesn't imply that therefore you shouldn't (or wouldn't) use it for small files. If you have a 100M connection, are you really just going to use it for movies^H^H^H^H^H^H Linux ISOs because everything else is "too small"?</p><blockquote><div><p>A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p></div></blockquote><p>
This one's easy. Consider the possible sources of porn on the 'net: you can either get crappy quality on flash video sites, or decent quality downloadable files on paysites or P2P networks. A lot of people will feel reluctant to pay for porn, due in part to paranoia ("what if someone sees my credit card statement?", etc.) and in part to shame (in the same way you would feel reluctant to pay someone for sex). The only option that has both quality and anonymity is P2P.</p><p>I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just that your points aren't particularly well thought out.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Basically , this is based on the correlation that " hey , most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv , porn , and software , almost no pirated music " and " you can get DRM-free music easily , but not movies/tv , porn , and software " as implying " its because of DRM that people pirate stuff " .
* sigh * Alright , let 's look at the points you 're making here : Music is not just DRM-free , its also SMALL .
BitTorrent 's strength is moving big files , while pirated songs are very small in comparison , you can just email em to your friends .
Firstly , bittorrent 's strength lies in distributing files efficiently when there is a high demand for them , regardless of size -- something which ordinary server-client scenarios are n't particularly good at .
Even if what you 're saying is directly and unambiguously true , it does n't imply that therefore you should n't ( or would n't ) use it for small files .
If you have a 100M connection , are you really just going to use it for movies ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H Linux ISOs because everything else is " too small " ? A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ?
This one 's easy .
Consider the possible sources of porn on the 'net : you can either get crappy quality on flash video sites , or decent quality downloadable files on paysites or P2P networks .
A lot of people will feel reluctant to pay for porn , due in part to paranoia ( " what if someone sees my credit card statement ?
" , etc .
) and in part to shame ( in the same way you would feel reluctant to pay someone for sex ) .
The only option that has both quality and anonymity is P2P.I 'm not saying you 're right or wrong , just that your points are n't particularly well thought out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, this is based on the correlation that "hey, most of the stuff through a trackerless BitTorrent setup is pirated movies/tv, porn, and software, almost no pirated music" and "you can get DRM-free music easily, but not movies/tv, porn, and software" as implying "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff".
*sigh* Alright, let's look at the points you're making here:Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL.
BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.
Firstly, bittorrent's strength lies in distributing files efficiently when there is a high demand for them, regardless of size -- something which ordinary server-client scenarios aren't particularly good at.
Even if what you're saying is directly and unambiguously true, it doesn't imply that therefore you shouldn't (or wouldn't) use it for small files.
If you have a 100M connection, are you really just going to use it for movies^H^H^H^H^H^H Linux ISOs because everything else is "too small"?A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?
This one's easy.
Consider the possible sources of porn on the 'net: you can either get crappy quality on flash video sites, or decent quality downloadable files on paysites or P2P networks.
A lot of people will feel reluctant to pay for porn, due in part to paranoia ("what if someone sees my credit card statement?
", etc.
) and in part to shame (in the same way you would feel reluctant to pay someone for sex).
The only option that has both quality and anonymity is P2P.I'm not saying you're right or wrong, just that your points aren't particularly well thought out.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965330</id>
	<title>Re:Ipod</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264844940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ok, so write your own firmware on the device and do what you want.. No one is stopping you.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.rockbox.org/" title="rockbox.org" rel="nofollow">Done</a> [rockbox.org]</p></div>
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<tokenext>Ok , so write your own firmware on the device and do what you want.. No one is stopping you .
Done [ rockbox.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so write your own firmware on the device and do what you want.. No one is stopping you.
Done [rockbox.org]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30967324</id>
	<title>Re:A note about the study</title>
	<author>Sensei Eggwoah</author>
	<datestamp>1264862340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jamendo used to utilize torrents as their sole mode of distribution.  They have since made direct downloads the default behavior in the name of "ease of use".  Even if you download an album that is in their top 10, you will be in for a world of pain.</p><p>
The study may under-represent legal torrents, but Jamendo is a bad example.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jamendo used to utilize torrents as their sole mode of distribution .
They have since made direct downloads the default behavior in the name of " ease of use " .
Even if you download an album that is in their top 10 , you will be in for a world of pain .
The study may under-represent legal torrents , but Jamendo is a bad example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jamendo used to utilize torrents as their sole mode of distribution.
They have since made direct downloads the default behavior in the name of "ease of use".
Even if you download an album that is in their top 10, you will be in for a world of pain.
The study may under-represent legal torrents, but Jamendo is a bad example.
</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30970750</id>
	<title>Re:Surprisingly enough, it's true!</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1264957260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I buy my games on Steam. Install a new computer, install Steam, and hey, all my games are there. Best thing: if a friend is playing something, you can jump right in with them, if the game supports it. And with the SteamCloud, saved games are now SAVED with capital letters (saved games get stored "in the cloud", I just hope it's not all water vapor<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)).</p><p>I hadn't bought much since HalfLife, but I retried it recently (starting with the Secret of Monkey Island remastered version) and I've already bought Portal, Mass effect, the entire X-com 5-pack (for $2,- total), CounterStrike: Source, etcetera. I tried AI Wars, Braid and a few others that came highly recommended (Torchlight, and the one with 3 characters you control - fantastic visuals btw) by penny arcade for instance and while I think they're great games, they're just not for me.</p><p>World of WarCrack had me hooked for a while, but now my purse is mine once again, I really enjoy browsing games on Steam. I looked at gog.com, but browsing the catalog turns up some VERY old stuff for prices I think area bit too high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I buy my games on Steam .
Install a new computer , install Steam , and hey , all my games are there .
Best thing : if a friend is playing something , you can jump right in with them , if the game supports it .
And with the SteamCloud , saved games are now SAVED with capital letters ( saved games get stored " in the cloud " , I just hope it 's not all water vapor : ) ) .I had n't bought much since HalfLife , but I retried it recently ( starting with the Secret of Monkey Island remastered version ) and I 've already bought Portal , Mass effect , the entire X-com 5-pack ( for $ 2,- total ) , CounterStrike : Source , etcetera .
I tried AI Wars , Braid and a few others that came highly recommended ( Torchlight , and the one with 3 characters you control - fantastic visuals btw ) by penny arcade for instance and while I think they 're great games , they 're just not for me.World of WarCrack had me hooked for a while , but now my purse is mine once again , I really enjoy browsing games on Steam .
I looked at gog.com , but browsing the catalog turns up some VERY old stuff for prices I think area bit too high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I buy my games on Steam.
Install a new computer, install Steam, and hey, all my games are there.
Best thing: if a friend is playing something, you can jump right in with them, if the game supports it.
And with the SteamCloud, saved games are now SAVED with capital letters (saved games get stored "in the cloud", I just hope it's not all water vapor :)).I hadn't bought much since HalfLife, but I retried it recently (starting with the Secret of Monkey Island remastered version) and I've already bought Portal, Mass effect, the entire X-com 5-pack (for $2,- total), CounterStrike: Source, etcetera.
I tried AI Wars, Braid and a few others that came highly recommended (Torchlight, and the one with 3 characters you control - fantastic visuals btw) by penny arcade for instance and while I think they're great games, they're just not for me.World of WarCrack had me hooked for a while, but now my purse is mine once again, I really enjoy browsing games on Steam.
I looked at gog.com, but browsing the catalog turns up some VERY old stuff for prices I think area bit too high.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963258</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264874580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p></div><p>Well you got everyone under the age of 18/21 that are not allowed get porn in any legitimate way.</p></div>
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<tokenext>b ) A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? Well you got everyone under the age of 18/21 that are not allowed get porn in any legitimate way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>b)  A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?Well you got everyone under the age of 18/21 that are not allowed get porn in any legitimate way.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962934</id>
	<title>Extra! Extra!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264872720000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>New study tells us what we already know!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... idiots</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New study tells us what we already know !
... idiots</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New study tells us what we already know!
... idiots</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964266</id>
	<title>Re:Paying</title>
	<author>Angst Badger</author>
	<datestamp>1264880340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That, my friends, is tyranny.</p></div><p>And that, my friends, is hyperbole. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marcharmenians.jpg" title="wikipedia.org">This</a> [wikipedia.org] is tyranny. Choosing an iPod and iTunes over one of the many unencumbered music players on the market and then bitching about the well-known restrictions it imposes is just ordinary, garden-variety cluelessness.</p></div>
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<tokenext>That , my friends , is tyranny.And that , my friends , is hyperbole .
This [ wikipedia.org ] is tyranny .
Choosing an iPod and iTunes over one of the many unencumbered music players on the market and then bitching about the well-known restrictions it imposes is just ordinary , garden-variety cluelessness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That, my friends, is tyranny.And that, my friends, is hyperbole.
This [wikipedia.org] is tyranny.
Choosing an iPod and iTunes over one of the many unencumbered music players on the market and then bitching about the well-known restrictions it imposes is just ordinary, garden-variety cluelessness.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963076</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264873500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Sorry to pick on your post in particular, but how many years will it be before Slashdotter's stop trusting the editors and reading the contents of the article. We're quick enough to pounce on poor logic when some poor creationist wanders in here, but things like this get waved through? For the benefit of those that are article-phobic, the methodology used is as follows: Count all the files available on a torrent network (not accounting for quantity of downloads at all, mind you, just whether they're available) and classify them according to type. Notice that music makes up 10\% of the counted file types and movies and TV shows 46\% of the file types. State that music can be purchased DRM free online and state that movies cannot be, and conclude that this is the reason why. There are various other throwaway misdirections such as "music used to be the only reason to use P2P". Well, we didn't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips, did we?
<br> <br>
Does Slashdot have a maximum post size, or shall I list the reasons what's wrong with all this article? Any statisticians want to take some cheap shots?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
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<tokenext>How many more years of this before other industries like software ( SecuROM anyone ?
) come away with the obvious conclusion as well ?
Sorry to pick on your post in particular , but how many years will it be before Slashdotter 's stop trusting the editors and reading the contents of the article .
We 're quick enough to pounce on poor logic when some poor creationist wanders in here , but things like this get waved through ?
For the benefit of those that are article-phobic , the methodology used is as follows : Count all the files available on a torrent network ( not accounting for quantity of downloads at all , mind you , just whether they 're available ) and classify them according to type .
Notice that music makes up 10 \ % of the counted file types and movies and TV shows 46 \ % of the file types .
State that music can be purchased DRM free online and state that movies can not be , and conclude that this is the reason why .
There are various other throwaway misdirections such as " music used to be the only reason to use P2P " .
Well , we did n't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips , did we ?
Does Slashdot have a maximum post size , or shall I list the reasons what 's wrong with all this article ?
Any statisticians want to take some cheap shots ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?
) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?
Sorry to pick on your post in particular, but how many years will it be before Slashdotter's stop trusting the editors and reading the contents of the article.
We're quick enough to pounce on poor logic when some poor creationist wanders in here, but things like this get waved through?
For the benefit of those that are article-phobic, the methodology used is as follows: Count all the files available on a torrent network (not accounting for quantity of downloads at all, mind you, just whether they're available) and classify them according to type.
Notice that music makes up 10\% of the counted file types and movies and TV shows 46\% of the file types.
State that music can be purchased DRM free online and state that movies cannot be, and conclude that this is the reason why.
There are various other throwaway misdirections such as "music used to be the only reason to use P2P".
Well, we didn't used to have the bandwidth to download DVD rips, did we?
Does Slashdot have a maximum post size, or shall I list the reasons what's wrong with all this article?
Any statisticians want to take some cheap shots?
:)
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	<title>Re:Surprisingly enough, it's true!</title>
	<author>npsimons</author>
	<datestamp>1264877700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've downloaded quite a few of them. However, relatively recently I learned about gog.com, and over the 1.5 years since I signed up, I bought 3 of the games (all DRM-free) available there.</p></div></blockquote><p>I stumbled upon gog.com awhile back and thought they were pretty nifty too.  I especially like that not only do they not have DRM, but it's one of their advertised features!  Usually, I hate ads and don't ever see them online, but somehow I caught one for gog.com, and had to smile when I saw in nice big lettering that they were DRM free.  It's kind of like how Oroweat advertises on some of their bread products that they have no high fructose corn syrup.  It's especially cogent in the face of what the companies peddling DRM and HFCS say: "oh, it's not bad for you", yet here are companies spending advertising money to distinguish themselves as NOT having these "ingredients" in their products.  It's not like some car company has advertising that brags that their cars don't have seatbelts or airbags; people know that DRM and HFCS are shit, and they don't want them, and smart businesses can capitalize on this fact.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've downloaded quite a few of them .
However , relatively recently I learned about gog.com , and over the 1.5 years since I signed up , I bought 3 of the games ( all DRM-free ) available there.I stumbled upon gog.com awhile back and thought they were pretty nifty too .
I especially like that not only do they not have DRM , but it 's one of their advertised features !
Usually , I hate ads and do n't ever see them online , but somehow I caught one for gog.com , and had to smile when I saw in nice big lettering that they were DRM free .
It 's kind of like how Oroweat advertises on some of their bread products that they have no high fructose corn syrup .
It 's especially cogent in the face of what the companies peddling DRM and HFCS say : " oh , it 's not bad for you " , yet here are companies spending advertising money to distinguish themselves as NOT having these " ingredients " in their products .
It 's not like some car company has advertising that brags that their cars do n't have seatbelts or airbags ; people know that DRM and HFCS are shit , and they do n't want them , and smart businesses can capitalize on this fact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've downloaded quite a few of them.
However, relatively recently I learned about gog.com, and over the 1.5 years since I signed up, I bought 3 of the games (all DRM-free) available there.I stumbled upon gog.com awhile back and thought they were pretty nifty too.
I especially like that not only do they not have DRM, but it's one of their advertised features!
Usually, I hate ads and don't ever see them online, but somehow I caught one for gog.com, and had to smile when I saw in nice big lettering that they were DRM free.
It's kind of like how Oroweat advertises on some of their bread products that they have no high fructose corn syrup.
It's especially cogent in the face of what the companies peddling DRM and HFCS say: "oh, it's not bad for you", yet here are companies spending advertising money to distinguish themselves as NOT having these "ingredients" in their products.
It's not like some car company has advertising that brags that their cars don't have seatbelts or airbags; people know that DRM and HFCS are shit, and they don't want them, and smart businesses can capitalize on this fact.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963188</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>metamatic</author>
	<datestamp>1264874220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>b) A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p></div></blockquote><p>Where can I legally buy DRM-free porn?</p><p>(Sincere question.)</p></div>
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<tokenext>b ) A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? Where can I legally buy DRM-free porn ?
( Sincere question .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>b) A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?Where can I legally buy DRM-free porn?
(Sincere question.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964228</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1264880040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They counted the number of files, not the size of the downloads. If size was a factor, it would follow that there be far more music data shared than video - but there wasn't. Music is almost non-existent when compared to video, at least when looking at data. Even if it's a full album, that's still only 150mb compared to a minimum of 300mb for an hour-long tv program.</p><p>The lack of data on how many were downloaded is problematic, but would you like to propose a methodology for determining the number of downloads? The best you can do is record the number of seeders over the life of the torrent, but you can't make any statistical claims from the data without downloading each file yourself and seeding it for a while. In fact, you would need to download it several times to get a feel for how much data, on average, the seeders gave, and how long seeds and leeches remained in the pool.</p><p>Even then, I would expect there to be no relation between the amount of time someone might seed a legal download vs. an illegal one, and even different illegal media would likely exhibit wildly different seeders.</p><p>I would expect, for example, to find that Battlestar Galactica would have a very different seeder demographic than Friends, and I don't think you could guess downloads on the other by looking at the one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They counted the number of files , not the size of the downloads .
If size was a factor , it would follow that there be far more music data shared than video - but there was n't .
Music is almost non-existent when compared to video , at least when looking at data .
Even if it 's a full album , that 's still only 150mb compared to a minimum of 300mb for an hour-long tv program.The lack of data on how many were downloaded is problematic , but would you like to propose a methodology for determining the number of downloads ?
The best you can do is record the number of seeders over the life of the torrent , but you ca n't make any statistical claims from the data without downloading each file yourself and seeding it for a while .
In fact , you would need to download it several times to get a feel for how much data , on average , the seeders gave , and how long seeds and leeches remained in the pool.Even then , I would expect there to be no relation between the amount of time someone might seed a legal download vs. an illegal one , and even different illegal media would likely exhibit wildly different seeders.I would expect , for example , to find that Battlestar Galactica would have a very different seeder demographic than Friends , and I do n't think you could guess downloads on the other by looking at the one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They counted the number of files, not the size of the downloads.
If size was a factor, it would follow that there be far more music data shared than video - but there wasn't.
Music is almost non-existent when compared to video, at least when looking at data.
Even if it's a full album, that's still only 150mb compared to a minimum of 300mb for an hour-long tv program.The lack of data on how many were downloaded is problematic, but would you like to propose a methodology for determining the number of downloads?
The best you can do is record the number of seeders over the life of the torrent, but you can't make any statistical claims from the data without downloading each file yourself and seeding it for a while.
In fact, you would need to download it several times to get a feel for how much data, on average, the seeders gave, and how long seeds and leeches remained in the pool.Even then, I would expect there to be no relation between the amount of time someone might seed a legal download vs. an illegal one, and even different illegal media would likely exhibit wildly different seeders.I would expect, for example, to find that Battlestar Galactica would have a very different seeder demographic than Friends, and I don't think you could guess downloads on the other by looking at the one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964168</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>melikamp</author>
	<datestamp>1264879620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll start reading TFA when the limited time mouse copyright expires.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll start reading TFA when the limited time mouse copyright expires .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll start reading TFA when the limited time mouse copyright expires.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>hairyfeet</author>
	<datestamp>1264881120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you actually buy it, when you can watch all you want for free? I have a few customers that were bad about "if it says pron click" and I got tired of cleaning their Pcs all the damned time. porn bugs are nasty, you know? So I went and found them a free site with tons o' porn and no hassles. I probably shouldn't put it here, as the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. stampede will mess it up, but the site is called myfreepaysite.com (not giving a link to cut down on slashdotting).</p><p>Just give them an email address (you can always give them a spamdump email if you wish, but I've never had a customer complain about spam from them) they send you a password, and you are good to go. They have nearly a dozen free video sites inside, all with full videos in either flash or wmv, your choice usually.</p><p>

So there you go, all the free porn you could possibly want (hell just one site they had on there, MegaDVD something, has over 5k full movies) and it won't cost you squat. No CC info, no jumping through hoops, just all the porn you could possibly ever want. Because hey, the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc" title="youtube.com">Internet is for porn!</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you actually buy it , when you can watch all you want for free ?
I have a few customers that were bad about " if it says pron click " and I got tired of cleaning their Pcs all the damned time .
porn bugs are nasty , you know ?
So I went and found them a free site with tons o ' porn and no hassles .
I probably should n't put it here , as the / .
stampede will mess it up , but the site is called myfreepaysite.com ( not giving a link to cut down on slashdotting ) .Just give them an email address ( you can always give them a spamdump email if you wish , but I 've never had a customer complain about spam from them ) they send you a password , and you are good to go .
They have nearly a dozen free video sites inside , all with full videos in either flash or wmv , your choice usually .
So there you go , all the free porn you could possibly want ( hell just one site they had on there , MegaDVD something , has over 5k full movies ) and it wo n't cost you squat .
No CC info , no jumping through hoops , just all the porn you could possibly ever want .
Because hey , the Internet is for porn !
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you actually buy it, when you can watch all you want for free?
I have a few customers that were bad about "if it says pron click" and I got tired of cleaning their Pcs all the damned time.
porn bugs are nasty, you know?
So I went and found them a free site with tons o' porn and no hassles.
I probably shouldn't put it here, as the /.
stampede will mess it up, but the site is called myfreepaysite.com (not giving a link to cut down on slashdotting).Just give them an email address (you can always give them a spamdump email if you wish, but I've never had a customer complain about spam from them) they send you a password, and you are good to go.
They have nearly a dozen free video sites inside, all with full videos in either flash or wmv, your choice usually.
So there you go, all the free porn you could possibly want (hell just one site they had on there, MegaDVD something, has over 5k full movies) and it won't cost you squat.
No CC info, no jumping through hoops, just all the porn you could possibly ever want.
Because hey, the Internet is for porn!
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964108</id>
	<title>Re:A Perfect Example:</title>
	<author>Mix+Master+Nixon</author>
	<datestamp>1264879200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To my shock and amazement, the Region 1 DVD release of the film JCVD from Peace Arch Entertainment has two non-DRM "digital copies", one in MP4 and one in WMV format.  Both play fine in Ubuntu and on any device which supports MP4 and/or WMV.  It's nice to see a company do this correctly.  I've been meaning to write them a thank you note - think I'll do that now.</p><p>I hate the term "digital copy" though.  Did DVDs and Blu-rays become something <i>other</i> than digital copies at some point?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To my shock and amazement , the Region 1 DVD release of the film JCVD from Peace Arch Entertainment has two non-DRM " digital copies " , one in MP4 and one in WMV format .
Both play fine in Ubuntu and on any device which supports MP4 and/or WMV .
It 's nice to see a company do this correctly .
I 've been meaning to write them a thank you note - think I 'll do that now.I hate the term " digital copy " though .
Did DVDs and Blu-rays become something other than digital copies at some point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To my shock and amazement, the Region 1 DVD release of the film JCVD from Peace Arch Entertainment has two non-DRM "digital copies", one in MP4 and one in WMV format.
Both play fine in Ubuntu and on any device which supports MP4 and/or WMV.
It's nice to see a company do this correctly.
I've been meaning to write them a thank you note - think I'll do that now.I hate the term "digital copy" though.
Did DVDs and Blu-rays become something other than digital copies at some point?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963996</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264878720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks</i> </p><p>I sometimes wonder. I'd like to see the target demographics of the music and its audience. Who is there and who is missing. Even the geek doesn't remain twenty-something forever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so it 's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks I sometimes wonder .
I 'd like to see the target demographics of the music and its audience .
Who is there and who is missing .
Even the geek does n't remain twenty-something forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so it's clear - unequivocably clear - that all music that people want ends up on P2P networks I sometimes wonder.
I'd like to see the target demographics of the music and its audience.
Who is there and who is missing.
Even the geek doesn't remain twenty-something forever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963090</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>msclrhd</author>
	<datestamp>1264873560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll see what conclusion Ubisoft comes to.</p><p>The sad thing about this is that if you have a good quality product that meets the consumers needs and is at an affordable price, then people will buy them. People these days have many different media devices (desktop, laptop, portable media player, car stereo/player, netbook,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...). Most of these will have their music on their computer, synced to their portable media player and car, possibly backed up to an external drive.</p><p>With software, restrictive DRM will only push people away. For example, I have moved over to Linux, but still play games through Wine. I try out (and regularly buy) several casual games and some of the bigger ones as well (like StarCraft). DRM on this software will make it harder to run on this platform, and will drive me away from those companies. For example, I don't buy any Oberon Media games anymore, but look to Awem Studios and Big Fish Games for the casual games that I play/buy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll see what conclusion Ubisoft comes to.The sad thing about this is that if you have a good quality product that meets the consumers needs and is at an affordable price , then people will buy them .
People these days have many different media devices ( desktop , laptop , portable media player , car stereo/player , netbook , ... ) .
Most of these will have their music on their computer , synced to their portable media player and car , possibly backed up to an external drive.With software , restrictive DRM will only push people away .
For example , I have moved over to Linux , but still play games through Wine .
I try out ( and regularly buy ) several casual games and some of the bigger ones as well ( like StarCraft ) .
DRM on this software will make it harder to run on this platform , and will drive me away from those companies .
For example , I do n't buy any Oberon Media games anymore , but look to Awem Studios and Big Fish Games for the casual games that I play/buy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll see what conclusion Ubisoft comes to.The sad thing about this is that if you have a good quality product that meets the consumers needs and is at an affordable price, then people will buy them.
People these days have many different media devices (desktop, laptop, portable media player, car stereo/player, netbook, ...).
Most of these will have their music on their computer, synced to their portable media player and car, possibly backed up to an external drive.With software, restrictive DRM will only push people away.
For example, I have moved over to Linux, but still play games through Wine.
I try out (and regularly buy) several casual games and some of the bigger ones as well (like StarCraft).
DRM on this software will make it harder to run on this platform, and will drive me away from those companies.
For example, I don't buy any Oberon Media games anymore, but look to Awem Studios and Big Fish Games for the casual games that I play/buy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963102</id>
	<title>Re:DRM = loss</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264873680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Consumers have had enough of being shafted.</i></p><p>While I agree with what you're saying, I really dont think most of them care.  I think most consumers really dont think about DRM that much.<br>Console games that require the disc is no change from the old cartridges.  Ripping CDs or getting mp3s from friends is so easily done that<br>most people would never notice DRM.  Things like WGA still only affect a very small percentage of people.</p><p>I agree that consumers <b>should</b> be sick of it but the DRM we get today is usually easily bypassed or makes no difference.</p><p>Wait until TPM is standard in all PCs, Win8 or 9 verifies your license daily or locks up and limits you to 1 browser tab, no file saving,<br>no printing and constant popups.  Unauthorised software (anything that can be used to violate the DMCA/ACTA) wont run so removing DRM will<br>be much harder.  Most PC hardware will require TPM or you'll pay a lot more and it'll have reduced functionality and be stuck with rubbish<br>older parts.  That is when consumers will be sick of DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consumers have had enough of being shafted.While I agree with what you 're saying , I really dont think most of them care .
I think most consumers really dont think about DRM that much.Console games that require the disc is no change from the old cartridges .
Ripping CDs or getting mp3s from friends is so easily done thatmost people would never notice DRM .
Things like WGA still only affect a very small percentage of people.I agree that consumers should be sick of it but the DRM we get today is usually easily bypassed or makes no difference.Wait until TPM is standard in all PCs , Win8 or 9 verifies your license daily or locks up and limits you to 1 browser tab , no file saving,no printing and constant popups .
Unauthorised software ( anything that can be used to violate the DMCA/ACTA ) wont run so removing DRM willbe much harder .
Most PC hardware will require TPM or you 'll pay a lot more and it 'll have reduced functionality and be stuck with rubbisholder parts .
That is when consumers will be sick of DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consumers have had enough of being shafted.While I agree with what you're saying, I really dont think most of them care.
I think most consumers really dont think about DRM that much.Console games that require the disc is no change from the old cartridges.
Ripping CDs or getting mp3s from friends is so easily done thatmost people would never notice DRM.
Things like WGA still only affect a very small percentage of people.I agree that consumers should be sick of it but the DRM we get today is usually easily bypassed or makes no difference.Wait until TPM is standard in all PCs, Win8 or 9 verifies your license daily or locks up and limits you to 1 browser tab, no file saving,no printing and constant popups.
Unauthorised software (anything that can be used to violate the DMCA/ACTA) wont run so removing DRM willbe much harder.
Most PC hardware will require TPM or you'll pay a lot more and it'll have reduced functionality and be stuck with rubbisholder parts.
That is when consumers will be sick of DRM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30969158</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1264936860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most pirated ebooks are sucktacular. Full of grammar and spelling mistakes, and sometimes entire paragraphs or chapters are either missing or transposed. No table of contents and sometimes no chapter breaks. And they usually come in PDF format with no tags, so they don't reflow correctly when viewed on a portable device.</p><p>It's basically like watching a cam release of a movie. No thanks. This is why I pay for ebooks (with DRM), despite the fact that they are usually priced too high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most pirated ebooks are sucktacular .
Full of grammar and spelling mistakes , and sometimes entire paragraphs or chapters are either missing or transposed .
No table of contents and sometimes no chapter breaks .
And they usually come in PDF format with no tags , so they do n't reflow correctly when viewed on a portable device.It 's basically like watching a cam release of a movie .
No thanks .
This is why I pay for ebooks ( with DRM ) , despite the fact that they are usually priced too high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most pirated ebooks are sucktacular.
Full of grammar and spelling mistakes, and sometimes entire paragraphs or chapters are either missing or transposed.
No table of contents and sometimes no chapter breaks.
And they usually come in PDF format with no tags, so they don't reflow correctly when viewed on a portable device.It's basically like watching a cam release of a movie.
No thanks.
This is why I pay for ebooks (with DRM), despite the fact that they are usually priced too high.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962844</id>
	<title>A note about the study</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264872060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lest anyone think that TFA is saying that BitTorrent is used almost exclusively (to a degree of 99\%) for copyright infringement, remember that this study focused on DHT-based, trackerless torrents. Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers. There's no reason for them to use DHT. So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content.<br>
<br>
Also, the bit about DRM doesn't surprise me one bit. Nobody likes DRM except rights holders. It causes many more problems than it solves (which are very few already), not the least of which is perpetual content control even after the copyright expires. Far from banning circumvention of it, we need to heavily discourage (or outright ban) the use of DRM as we know it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lest anyone think that TFA is saying that BitTorrent is used almost exclusively ( to a degree of 99 \ % ) for copyright infringement , remember that this study focused on DHT-based , trackerless torrents .
Legit torrents , like Jamendo and Linux distributions , usually use their own trackers .
There 's no reason for them to use DHT .
So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content .
Also , the bit about DRM does n't surprise me one bit .
Nobody likes DRM except rights holders .
It causes many more problems than it solves ( which are very few already ) , not the least of which is perpetual content control even after the copyright expires .
Far from banning circumvention of it , we need to heavily discourage ( or outright ban ) the use of DRM as we know it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lest anyone think that TFA is saying that BitTorrent is used almost exclusively (to a degree of 99\%) for copyright infringement, remember that this study focused on DHT-based, trackerless torrents.
Legit torrents, like Jamendo and Linux distributions, usually use their own trackers.
There's no reason for them to use DHT.
So the study will naturally underrepresent legal BitTorrent content.
Also, the bit about DRM doesn't surprise me one bit.
Nobody likes DRM except rights holders.
It causes many more problems than it solves (which are very few already), not the least of which is perpetual content control even after the copyright expires.
Far from banning circumvention of it, we need to heavily discourage (or outright ban) the use of DRM as we know it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962992</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>LordAndrewSama</author>
	<datestamp>1264873140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps restricting the legitimate purchasers is the new reason for adding DRM.  I'm sure game publishers like wiping out second hand sales, making people buy the same game twice for different computers, forced obsoletion, etc etc.  They probably just use piracy as a cover, write off the 'losses' from piracy, then make money from well and truly shafting the purchasers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps restricting the legitimate purchasers is the new reason for adding DRM .
I 'm sure game publishers like wiping out second hand sales , making people buy the same game twice for different computers , forced obsoletion , etc etc .
They probably just use piracy as a cover , write off the 'losses ' from piracy , then make money from well and truly shafting the purchasers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps restricting the legitimate purchasers is the new reason for adding DRM.
I'm sure game publishers like wiping out second hand sales, making people buy the same game twice for different computers, forced obsoletion, etc etc.
They probably just use piracy as a cover, write off the 'losses' from piracy, then make money from well and truly shafting the purchasers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963038</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264873320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Individual songs are small, but albums, especially if they are high-quality rips, can be several hundred MB. Entire band discographies are even larger and can be several(if not 10's) of GB in size. Bittorrent is much more useful for downloading music than you give it credit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Individual songs are small , but albums , especially if they are high-quality rips , can be several hundred MB .
Entire band discographies are even larger and can be several ( if not 10 's ) of GB in size .
Bittorrent is much more useful for downloading music than you give it credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Individual songs are small, but albums, especially if they are high-quality rips, can be several hundred MB.
Entire band discographies are even larger and can be several(if not 10's) of GB in size.
Bittorrent is much more useful for downloading music than you give it credit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30963160</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1264874100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>a) Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL. BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.</p></div><p>Do people email mp3s to their friends?  If my friends did that, I think I'd be annoyed.  Large file attachments are bad etiquette under most circumstances.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>b) A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?</p></div><p>I can think of two reasons:
</p><ol> <li>People don't necessarily trust their credit card information to random porn sites</li>
<li>People don't want porn showing up on their credit card bill</li>
</ol><p>I agree that I'd like to see a more iron-clad case made.  Like maybe offer a selection of movies for sale DRM-free, or maybe offer them on a site like Hulu (free, essentially DRM protected, ad supported).  Control for variables and watch what happens to those movies' numbers in various pirate distribution channels.
</p><p>I bet you'd find that in both cases, the illegitimate traffic drops significantly.  It's not that "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff", but rather that people just want to watch a high-quality copy of a movie without any hassle, and if there's no way to do that, they'll turn to the method with the least amount of hassle.  Paying any amount of money for content is a hassle, but for most people, it's less of a hassle than pirating.  DRM is an even bigger hassle.  For a certain percentage of people, paying+DRM is enough of a hassle to tip the scales.
</p><p>I know it's happened to me more than a couple times where I've searched for "watch [show name] online", hoping to find a legal distribution channel.  I couldn't find a legal distribution channel, but a bunch of other sites came up instead.  Guess what happened.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a ) Music is not just DRM-free , its also SMALL .
BitTorrent 's strength is moving big files , while pirated songs are very small in comparison , you can just email em to your friends.Do people email mp3s to their friends ?
If my friends did that , I think I 'd be annoyed .
Large file attachments are bad etiquette under most circumstances.b ) A lot of porn online is DRM free , so why so much porn in BitTorrent ? I can think of two reasons : People do n't necessarily trust their credit card information to random porn sites People do n't want porn showing up on their credit card bill I agree that I 'd like to see a more iron-clad case made .
Like maybe offer a selection of movies for sale DRM-free , or maybe offer them on a site like Hulu ( free , essentially DRM protected , ad supported ) .
Control for variables and watch what happens to those movies ' numbers in various pirate distribution channels .
I bet you 'd find that in both cases , the illegitimate traffic drops significantly .
It 's not that " its because of DRM that people pirate stuff " , but rather that people just want to watch a high-quality copy of a movie without any hassle , and if there 's no way to do that , they 'll turn to the method with the least amount of hassle .
Paying any amount of money for content is a hassle , but for most people , it 's less of a hassle than pirating .
DRM is an even bigger hassle .
For a certain percentage of people , paying + DRM is enough of a hassle to tip the scales .
I know it 's happened to me more than a couple times where I 've searched for " watch [ show name ] online " , hoping to find a legal distribution channel .
I could n't find a legal distribution channel , but a bunch of other sites came up instead .
Guess what happened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a) Music is not just DRM-free, its also SMALL.
BitTorrent's strength is moving big files, while pirated songs are very small in comparison, you can just email em to your friends.Do people email mp3s to their friends?
If my friends did that, I think I'd be annoyed.
Large file attachments are bad etiquette under most circumstances.b) A lot of porn online is DRM free, so why so much porn in BitTorrent?I can think of two reasons:
 People don't necessarily trust their credit card information to random porn sites
People don't want porn showing up on their credit card bill
I agree that I'd like to see a more iron-clad case made.
Like maybe offer a selection of movies for sale DRM-free, or maybe offer them on a site like Hulu (free, essentially DRM protected, ad supported).
Control for variables and watch what happens to those movies' numbers in various pirate distribution channels.
I bet you'd find that in both cases, the illegitimate traffic drops significantly.
It's not that "its because of DRM that people pirate stuff", but rather that people just want to watch a high-quality copy of a movie without any hassle, and if there's no way to do that, they'll turn to the method with the least amount of hassle.
Paying any amount of money for content is a hassle, but for most people, it's less of a hassle than pirating.
DRM is an even bigger hassle.
For a certain percentage of people, paying+DRM is enough of a hassle to tip the scales.
I know it's happened to me more than a couple times where I've searched for "watch [show name] online", hoping to find a legal distribution channel.
I couldn't find a legal distribution channel, but a bunch of other sites came up instead.
Guess what happened.
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	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Solarhands</author>
	<datestamp>1264862940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Along with those two points I would add:
<p>
c) They were measuring based on the number of torrents not the number of files.  A music torrent may be thousands of songs, whereas most video torrents are single movies or episodes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Along with those two points I would add : c ) They were measuring based on the number of torrents not the number of files .
A music torrent may be thousands of songs , whereas most video torrents are single movies or episodes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Along with those two points I would add:

c) They were measuring based on the number of torrents not the number of files.
A music torrent may be thousands of songs, whereas most video torrents are single movies or episodes.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264847100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?  DRM doesn't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product, people who illegally obtain things don't have to deal with such inane restrictions</p></div><p>I agree with this poster.   When Napster was at its height, i tended to download large amounts of music off it as the music was free and reasonably decent quality.  At the time, there were no legal alternatives.   Then when legal alternatives started sprouting up they were full of disabled and garbage DRM crap.  I refused to use any of it and continued downloading music off torrents and Limewire.</p><p>I find now, though, with fewer people on networks such as limewire and more headaches and sometimes slow download speeds of torrent sites combined with the fact that there are a lot of viruses and other garbage attached to music or masquerading as music that I am turning to legit means to download content now.</p><p>With Apples iTunes offering music at reasonable prices (though still too expensive in my opinion), if I can't find a song for free I tend to use more legit avenues now.  If the music industry got a clue and reduced prices just a bit more they wouldn't even have to worry about networks such as limewire or bit torrent sites as the majority would use legit means to acquire their content.</p><p>People tend to go with what is convenient and provides the highest quality with the fewest hassles.   If legit means can provide that to consumers, they will win out.  Otherwise consumers will look elsewhere. I refuse under any circumstances to use DRM infected products.  I will not use them and I will not pay for them.  I want choice, easy of use, high quality , and reasonable price if I can get all of the above in a commercial product I will buy the commercial product otherwise I will go with alternatives.</p></div>
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<tokenext>How many more years of this before other industries like software ( SecuROM anyone ?
) come away with the obvious conclusion as well ?
DRM does n't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product , people who illegally obtain things do n't have to deal with such inane restrictionsI agree with this poster .
When Napster was at its height , i tended to download large amounts of music off it as the music was free and reasonably decent quality .
At the time , there were no legal alternatives .
Then when legal alternatives started sprouting up they were full of disabled and garbage DRM crap .
I refused to use any of it and continued downloading music off torrents and Limewire.I find now , though , with fewer people on networks such as limewire and more headaches and sometimes slow download speeds of torrent sites combined with the fact that there are a lot of viruses and other garbage attached to music or masquerading as music that I am turning to legit means to download content now.With Apples iTunes offering music at reasonable prices ( though still too expensive in my opinion ) , if I ca n't find a song for free I tend to use more legit avenues now .
If the music industry got a clue and reduced prices just a bit more they would n't even have to worry about networks such as limewire or bit torrent sites as the majority would use legit means to acquire their content.People tend to go with what is convenient and provides the highest quality with the fewest hassles .
If legit means can provide that to consumers , they will win out .
Otherwise consumers will look elsewhere .
I refuse under any circumstances to use DRM infected products .
I will not use them and I will not pay for them .
I want choice , easy of use , high quality , and reasonable price if I can get all of the above in a commercial product I will buy the commercial product otherwise I will go with alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?
) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?
DRM doesn't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product, people who illegally obtain things don't have to deal with such inane restrictionsI agree with this poster.
When Napster was at its height, i tended to download large amounts of music off it as the music was free and reasonably decent quality.
At the time, there were no legal alternatives.
Then when legal alternatives started sprouting up they were full of disabled and garbage DRM crap.
I refused to use any of it and continued downloading music off torrents and Limewire.I find now, though, with fewer people on networks such as limewire and more headaches and sometimes slow download speeds of torrent sites combined with the fact that there are a lot of viruses and other garbage attached to music or masquerading as music that I am turning to legit means to download content now.With Apples iTunes offering music at reasonable prices (though still too expensive in my opinion), if I can't find a song for free I tend to use more legit avenues now.
If the music industry got a clue and reduced prices just a bit more they wouldn't even have to worry about networks such as limewire or bit torrent sites as the majority would use legit means to acquire their content.People tend to go with what is convenient and provides the highest quality with the fewest hassles.
If legit means can provide that to consumers, they will win out.
Otherwise consumers will look elsewhere.
I refuse under any circumstances to use DRM infected products.
I will not use them and I will not pay for them.
I want choice, easy of use, high quality , and reasonable price if I can get all of the above in a commercial product I will buy the commercial product otherwise I will go with alternatives.
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	<title>Re:Why it Works</title>
	<author>Strake</author>
	<datestamp>1265642160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And, then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial.</p></div><p>...like Slashdot.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And , then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial....like Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial....like Slashdot.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30964544</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>Bert64</author>
	<datestamp>1264882620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was always the intended use for DRM, they just didn't say so because most users would be very pissed off to know the truth. Piracy has always been an excuse used for customer-hostile actions.<br>They know that any DRM scheme will be cracked, and that serious pirates will always pirate and won't buy anything.</p><p>Instead, they go after the people they know will pay them and seek ways to extract extra revenue out of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was always the intended use for DRM , they just did n't say so because most users would be very pissed off to know the truth .
Piracy has always been an excuse used for customer-hostile actions.They know that any DRM scheme will be cracked , and that serious pirates will always pirate and wo n't buy anything.Instead , they go after the people they know will pay them and seek ways to extract extra revenue out of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was always the intended use for DRM, they just didn't say so because most users would be very pissed off to know the truth.
Piracy has always been an excuse used for customer-hostile actions.They know that any DRM scheme will be cracked, and that serious pirates will always pirate and won't buy anything.Instead, they go after the people they know will pay them and seek ways to extract extra revenue out of them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>that this is not und</author>
	<datestamp>1264883820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the conclusion I come away with from the article summary is this:</p><p>People are only downloading content that is 'cracked' versions of DRM-laden content.</p><p>Apparently the other stuff they don't have to download with anonymous P2P.  They're probably getting direct copies from their buddies.  Only the 'protected' stuff that's hard to copy needs to come off the 'net.</p><p>The P2P network is only needed to traffic in the segment of content that is still protected.  The rest is casually copied by actual 'peers' directly, no elaborate P2P infrastructure needed.</p><p>That's just my take.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the conclusion I come away with from the article summary is this : People are only downloading content that is 'cracked ' versions of DRM-laden content.Apparently the other stuff they do n't have to download with anonymous P2P .
They 're probably getting direct copies from their buddies .
Only the 'protected ' stuff that 's hard to copy needs to come off the 'net.The P2P network is only needed to traffic in the segment of content that is still protected .
The rest is casually copied by actual 'peers ' directly , no elaborate P2P infrastructure needed.That 's just my take .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the conclusion I come away with from the article summary is this:People are only downloading content that is 'cracked' versions of DRM-laden content.Apparently the other stuff they don't have to download with anonymous P2P.
They're probably getting direct copies from their buddies.
Only the 'protected' stuff that's hard to copy needs to come off the 'net.The P2P network is only needed to traffic in the segment of content that is still protected.
The rest is casually copied by actual 'peers' directly, no elaborate P2P infrastructure needed.That's just my take.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30962876</id>
	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>geegel</author>
	<datestamp>1264872240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You asked for it. <br><a href="http://www.xkcd.com/552/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xkcd.com/552/</a> [xkcd.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You asked for it .
http : //www.xkcd.com/552/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You asked for it.
http://www.xkcd.com/552/ [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>msclrhd</author>
	<datestamp>1264960140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Installing Windows on a separate partition requires you to set up and install Windows on that partition. Yes, it is possible, but requires effort to maintain. And yes, I know that Linux+Wine also takes effort to maintain, but for the large part it works with minimal effort.</p><p>Dual booting also requires you to restart the machine. Thus, all your active programs get lost, and you can't switch between programs as the rest of your programs, music and other stuff are on a different partition in a format that Windows cannot read (or can with some work, but not seamlessly).</p><p>You also have to maintain two systems. This means anti-virus, firewall and updates. Linux is easier to keep up-to-date as there is a single place to update things from that updates everything.</p><p>Then you have to worry about updates to Windows overwriting the grub partition (of which there are reports), or otherwise screwing over your system (Windows ignores your partitions and writes mis-aligned partitions for its volumes -- at least Vista did when I was dual booting).</p><p>Plus, there is the licensing cost. Yes, my computer came with Vista, but it will get to the point where Microsoft will stop releasing fixes for it and I don't want to shell out for an upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 or whatever the latest version of Windows is.</p><p>Not to mention that I might not want to use Windows. And before you say anything, I have been a long-term Windows user (from Windows 95), and I prefer to use Linux these days.</p><p>And, Wine is a lot easier to sandbox. I can create a directory for each wine prefix, install the game there and have it completely isolated. Even more so if I don't have the z: drive that maps the root file system and map the shell folders to be within the prefix folder.</p><p>Wine also gives you the opportunity to run some games that do not work on Vista. Yes, there are games that do not work on Wine as well, but that is the choice I have made.</p><p>And yes, it is a conscious choice. And if game makers release games that I am interested in for Linux (thank you 2D boy!) I will buy them and support them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Installing Windows on a separate partition requires you to set up and install Windows on that partition .
Yes , it is possible , but requires effort to maintain .
And yes , I know that Linux + Wine also takes effort to maintain , but for the large part it works with minimal effort.Dual booting also requires you to restart the machine .
Thus , all your active programs get lost , and you ca n't switch between programs as the rest of your programs , music and other stuff are on a different partition in a format that Windows can not read ( or can with some work , but not seamlessly ) .You also have to maintain two systems .
This means anti-virus , firewall and updates .
Linux is easier to keep up-to-date as there is a single place to update things from that updates everything.Then you have to worry about updates to Windows overwriting the grub partition ( of which there are reports ) , or otherwise screwing over your system ( Windows ignores your partitions and writes mis-aligned partitions for its volumes -- at least Vista did when I was dual booting ) .Plus , there is the licensing cost .
Yes , my computer came with Vista , but it will get to the point where Microsoft will stop releasing fixes for it and I do n't want to shell out for an upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 or whatever the latest version of Windows is.Not to mention that I might not want to use Windows .
And before you say anything , I have been a long-term Windows user ( from Windows 95 ) , and I prefer to use Linux these days.And , Wine is a lot easier to sandbox .
I can create a directory for each wine prefix , install the game there and have it completely isolated .
Even more so if I do n't have the z : drive that maps the root file system and map the shell folders to be within the prefix folder.Wine also gives you the opportunity to run some games that do not work on Vista .
Yes , there are games that do not work on Wine as well , but that is the choice I have made.And yes , it is a conscious choice .
And if game makers release games that I am interested in for Linux ( thank you 2D boy !
) I will buy them and support them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Installing Windows on a separate partition requires you to set up and install Windows on that partition.
Yes, it is possible, but requires effort to maintain.
And yes, I know that Linux+Wine also takes effort to maintain, but for the large part it works with minimal effort.Dual booting also requires you to restart the machine.
Thus, all your active programs get lost, and you can't switch between programs as the rest of your programs, music and other stuff are on a different partition in a format that Windows cannot read (or can with some work, but not seamlessly).You also have to maintain two systems.
This means anti-virus, firewall and updates.
Linux is easier to keep up-to-date as there is a single place to update things from that updates everything.Then you have to worry about updates to Windows overwriting the grub partition (of which there are reports), or otherwise screwing over your system (Windows ignores your partitions and writes mis-aligned partitions for its volumes -- at least Vista did when I was dual booting).Plus, there is the licensing cost.
Yes, my computer came with Vista, but it will get to the point where Microsoft will stop releasing fixes for it and I don't want to shell out for an upgrade to Windows 7 or 8 or whatever the latest version of Windows is.Not to mention that I might not want to use Windows.
And before you say anything, I have been a long-term Windows user (from Windows 95), and I prefer to use Linux these days.And, Wine is a lot easier to sandbox.
I can create a directory for each wine prefix, install the game there and have it completely isolated.
Even more so if I don't have the z: drive that maps the root file system and map the shell folders to be within the prefix folder.Wine also gives you the opportunity to run some games that do not work on Vista.
Yes, there are games that do not work on Wine as well, but that is the choice I have made.And yes, it is a conscious choice.
And if game makers release games that I am interested in for Linux (thank you 2D boy!
) I will buy them and support them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Why it Works</title>
	<author>CrazyDuke</author>
	<datestamp>1264874700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason why this works is rather simple:  It's not a competition between something that costs and something that is free.  That is only on the surface.  I'll give my own rational:  I hear a track I like on the (satellite) radio.  Now, I can either spend the next 10 to 15 minutes wading through broken links, abandoned torrents, and spam sites to end up with something that has a high likelihood of not even being the remix or the quality I wanted.  I could also run the off chance someone I know already has it and mentions it at some point, then spend a similar amount of time trying to exchange the media.  Or, I can go to a central website, spend 5 minutes listening to previews and spend a buck for the track using a low hassle micro-payment system.</p><p>As the saying goes, time is money.  If your customers have the disposable income that accumulates at a rate higher than the rate of benefit, they will often choose to spend that income rather than work for a benefit at a lower rate of return.  And, then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial.</p><p>Someone mentioned porn?  Pay for porn does not work because:<br>- It is typically a significant monetary cost, two to three orders of magnitude.  It goes from being petty cash to being a discretionary budget item.<br>- In the digital form, requires a month to month commitment.  Human sexual desire typically involves a lot of spontaneity.  You don't marry porn.<br>- Shyster websites will often not have the level of content implied and will keep charging customers long after they have terminated your subscription.<br>- The catalog is limited from site to site, and people are typically not going to pay the full fee just to see one spread.<br>- The record of your purchase is basically public (corporate) information that anyone can purchase.<br>-<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...which brings me to the public humiliation that is involved in acknowledging one's own sexuality, for IRL or online purchases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason why this works is rather simple : It 's not a competition between something that costs and something that is free .
That is only on the surface .
I 'll give my own rational : I hear a track I like on the ( satellite ) radio .
Now , I can either spend the next 10 to 15 minutes wading through broken links , abandoned torrents , and spam sites to end up with something that has a high likelihood of not even being the remix or the quality I wanted .
I could also run the off chance someone I know already has it and mentions it at some point , then spend a similar amount of time trying to exchange the media .
Or , I can go to a central website , spend 5 minutes listening to previews and spend a buck for the track using a low hassle micro-payment system.As the saying goes , time is money .
If your customers have the disposable income that accumulates at a rate higher than the rate of benefit , they will often choose to spend that income rather than work for a benefit at a lower rate of return .
And , then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial.Someone mentioned porn ?
Pay for porn does not work because : - It is typically a significant monetary cost , two to three orders of magnitude .
It goes from being petty cash to being a discretionary budget item.- In the digital form , requires a month to month commitment .
Human sexual desire typically involves a lot of spontaneity .
You do n't marry porn.- Shyster websites will often not have the level of content implied and will keep charging customers long after they have terminated your subscription.- The catalog is limited from site to site , and people are typically not going to pay the full fee just to see one spread.- The record of your purchase is basically public ( corporate ) information that anyone can purchase.- ...which brings me to the public humiliation that is involved in acknowledging one 's own sexuality , for IRL or online purchases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason why this works is rather simple:  It's not a competition between something that costs and something that is free.
That is only on the surface.
I'll give my own rational:  I hear a track I like on the (satellite) radio.
Now, I can either spend the next 10 to 15 minutes wading through broken links, abandoned torrents, and spam sites to end up with something that has a high likelihood of not even being the remix or the quality I wanted.
I could also run the off chance someone I know already has it and mentions it at some point, then spend a similar amount of time trying to exchange the media.
Or, I can go to a central website, spend 5 minutes listening to previews and spend a buck for the track using a low hassle micro-payment system.As the saying goes, time is money.
If your customers have the disposable income that accumulates at a rate higher than the rate of benefit, they will often choose to spend that income rather than work for a benefit at a lower rate of return.
And, then they have the luxury of spending their time on something more beneficial.Someone mentioned porn?
Pay for porn does not work because:- It is typically a significant monetary cost, two to three orders of magnitude.
It goes from being petty cash to being a discretionary budget item.- In the digital form, requires a month to month commitment.
Human sexual desire typically involves a lot of spontaneity.
You don't marry porn.- Shyster websites will often not have the level of content implied and will keep charging customers long after they have terminated your subscription.- The catalog is limited from site to site, and people are typically not going to pay the full fee just to see one spread.- The record of your purchase is basically public (corporate) information that anyone can purchase.- ...which brings me to the public humiliation that is involved in acknowledging one's own sexuality, for IRL or online purchases.</sentencetext>
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	<title>and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264871880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?  DRM doesn't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product, people who illegally obtain things don't have to deal with such inane restrictions</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many more years of this before other industries like software ( SecuROM anyone ?
) come away with the obvious conclusion as well ?
DRM does n't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product , people who illegally obtain things do n't have to deal with such inane restrictions</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many more years of this before other industries like software (SecuROM anyone?
) come away with the obvious conclusion as well?
DRM doesn't do anything but restrict legitimate purchasers of the product, people who illegally obtain things don't have to deal with such inane restrictions</sentencetext>
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	<title>they have reached the conclusion</title>
	<author>v1</author>
	<datestamp>1264884180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i> The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion."</i></p><p>Oh they have reached the obvious conclusion, it' just <b>doesn't support their business model,</b> so they are publicly denying/fighting it to extend their lifespan as much as possible. I'm sure they realize the result is inevitable, but until it actually <i>happens</i>, they will continue to profit on it.  They'd be extremely stupid to just give up, so none of this comes as any real surprise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The MPAA , of course , will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion .
" Oh they have reached the obvious conclusion , it ' just does n't support their business model , so they are publicly denying/fighting it to extend their lifespan as much as possible .
I 'm sure they realize the result is inevitable , but until it actually happens , they will continue to profit on it .
They 'd be extremely stupid to just give up , so none of this comes as any real surprise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The MPAA, of course, will not come away from this with the obvious conclusion.
"Oh they have reached the obvious conclusion, it' just doesn't support their business model, so they are publicly denying/fighting it to extend their lifespan as much as possible.
I'm sure they realize the result is inevitable, but until it actually happens, they will continue to profit on it.
They'd be extremely stupid to just give up, so none of this comes as any real surprise.</sentencetext>
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	<title>This was obvious in 1982</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1264957320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>That's when I had to get a cracked copy of Wizardry after the copy protection on the original floppy destroyed it.</p><p>I had the guy I got the copy from write it on top of the original gold-labeled floppy. He thought it was a hoot.</p><p>It booted faster, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's when I had to get a cracked copy of Wizardry after the copy protection on the original floppy destroyed it.I had the guy I got the copy from write it on top of the original gold-labeled floppy .
He thought it was a hoot.It booted faster , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's when I had to get a cracked copy of Wizardry after the copy protection on the original floppy destroyed it.I had the guy I got the copy from write it on top of the original gold-labeled floppy.
He thought it was a hoot.It booted faster, too.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Correlation != Causation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264873080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>correlation doesn't mean causation is one of the most annoying memes in slashdot. Quit it already. Saying "correlation doesn't mean causation" is no proof or reasoning that indeed it doesn't for the case studied.</htmltext>
<tokenext>correlation does n't mean causation is one of the most annoying memes in slashdot .
Quit it already .
Saying " correlation does n't mean causation " is no proof or reasoning that indeed it does n't for the case studied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>correlation doesn't mean causation is one of the most annoying memes in slashdot.
Quit it already.
Saying "correlation doesn't mean causation" is no proof or reasoning that indeed it doesn't for the case studied.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_1436250.30965444</id>
	<title>Re:and it's not just the music industry...</title>
	<author>DeadChobi</author>
	<datestamp>1264845720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you were a woman, I would marry you.</p><p>This guy's methodology sucks. All he does is count the number of items available and then draw broad conclusions based on already-established opinion in the filesharing world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were a woman , I would marry you.This guy 's methodology sucks .
All he does is count the number of items available and then draw broad conclusions based on already-established opinion in the filesharing world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were a woman, I would marry you.This guy's methodology sucks.
All he does is count the number of items available and then draw broad conclusions based on already-established opinion in the filesharing world.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Interesting for BBC HD Freeview and Canvas Less</title>
	<author>anethema</author>
	<datestamp>1264881240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or get what you want from iTunes which is DRM free anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or get what you want from iTunes which is DRM free anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or get what you want from iTunes which is DRM free anyways.</sentencetext>
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