<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_30_0222246</id>
	<title>Google Deducing Wireless Location Data</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1264868460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>bizwriter writes <i>"When it comes to knowing where wireless users are, the carriers have had a lock on the data. But a <a href="http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&amp;Sect2=HITOFF&amp;d=PG01&amp;p=1&amp;u=\%2Fnetahtml\%2FPTO\%2Fsrchnum.html&amp;r=1&amp;f=G&amp;l=50&amp;s1=\%2220100020776\%22.PGNR.&amp;OS=DN/20100020776&amp;RS=DN/20100020776">patent application</a> shows that Google is trying to <a href="http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10005017/google-trying-to-deduce-wireless-location-info-bypass-carriers/">deduce the information</a> based on packet headers and estimated transmission rates. This would let it walk right around carriers and become another source of location data to advertisers."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>bizwriter writes " When it comes to knowing where wireless users are , the carriers have had a lock on the data .
But a patent application shows that Google is trying to deduce the information based on packet headers and estimated transmission rates .
This would let it walk right around carriers and become another source of location data to advertisers .
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<sentencetext>bizwriter writes "When it comes to knowing where wireless users are, the carriers have had a lock on the data.
But a patent application shows that Google is trying to deduce the information based on packet headers and estimated transmission rates.
This would let it walk right around carriers and become another source of location data to advertisers.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959380</id>
	<title>Eh?</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1264786140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the carriers are "jealously guarding" their location data, how come every time I pull up Google Maps on my non-GPS BlackBerry it can figure out where I am to within a block or so? Either this patent is for a technology Google had figured out a long time ago, or else the carriers aren't as worried about having "a lock" on this data as TFA makes it sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the carriers are " jealously guarding " their location data , how come every time I pull up Google Maps on my non-GPS BlackBerry it can figure out where I am to within a block or so ?
Either this patent is for a technology Google had figured out a long time ago , or else the carriers are n't as worried about having " a lock " on this data as TFA makes it sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the carriers are "jealously guarding" their location data, how come every time I pull up Google Maps on my non-GPS BlackBerry it can figure out where I am to within a block or so?
Either this patent is for a technology Google had figured out a long time ago, or else the carriers aren't as worried about having "a lock" on this data as TFA makes it sound.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30960308</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1264884780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm guessing you're talking about the 'My Location' app on the BlackBerry, which is an app, not a webpage.  It is estimating your location based on the nearest cell tower, not on your IP address.  It is a different technology than that mentioned here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing you 're talking about the 'My Location ' app on the BlackBerry , which is an app , not a webpage .
It is estimating your location based on the nearest cell tower , not on your IP address .
It is a different technology than that mentioned here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing you're talking about the 'My Location' app on the BlackBerry, which is an app, not a webpage.
It is estimating your location based on the nearest cell tower, not on your IP address.
It is a different technology than that mentioned here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959380</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30962696</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264870860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IF, IF?  They're not only extremely greedy but they violate their own privacy statements everyday for a profit.  No Google is one of the top 10 evil tech companies ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IF , IF ?
They 're not only extremely greedy but they violate their own privacy statements everyday for a profit .
No Google is one of the top 10 evil tech companies ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IF, IF?
They're not only extremely greedy but they violate their own privacy statements everyday for a profit.
No Google is one of the top 10 evil tech companies ever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959666</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264789560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cause Verizon doesn't mind selling your location to Google, AT&amp;T on the other hand may not.  I think they sell it to Google as the iPhones map app  seems to always know the tower I'm on, regardless of wifi signal available, even in the middle of west texas with no other buildings in sight (so no wifi).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cause Verizon does n't mind selling your location to Google , AT&amp;T on the other hand may not .
I think they sell it to Google as the iPhones map app seems to always know the tower I 'm on , regardless of wifi signal available , even in the middle of west texas with no other buildings in sight ( so no wifi ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cause Verizon doesn't mind selling your location to Google, AT&amp;T on the other hand may not.
I think they sell it to Google as the iPhones map app  seems to always know the tower I'm on, regardless of wifi signal available, even in the middle of west texas with no other buildings in sight (so no wifi).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959606</id>
	<title>The real reason for Google's DNS change suggestion</title>
	<author>GrantRobertson</author>
	<datestamp>1264788900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now we know the real reason for the suggestion Google has made recently to change the way DNS works to report part of the requesting IP address. They don't give one whit about decreasing unnecessary traffic. They just want to use that for additional location data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we know the real reason for the suggestion Google has made recently to change the way DNS works to report part of the requesting IP address .
They do n't give one whit about decreasing unnecessary traffic .
They just want to use that for additional location data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we know the real reason for the suggestion Google has made recently to change the way DNS works to report part of the requesting IP address.
They don't give one whit about decreasing unnecessary traffic.
They just want to use that for additional location data.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30964026</id>
	<title>Patent problems...</title>
	<author>mindstrm</author>
	<datestamp>1264878840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is another example of why patents are bad.</p><p>A a technical person - saying "Hey, if we have some devices communicating wirelessly, and we know about the protocols they are using to communicate, we can deduce a bunch of information about their approximate location just by watching how long it takes them to have certain conversations from different points of view.</p><p>Why should that be patentable?  It is clever, but it's also somewhat obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is another example of why patents are bad.A a technical person - saying " Hey , if we have some devices communicating wirelessly , and we know about the protocols they are using to communicate , we can deduce a bunch of information about their approximate location just by watching how long it takes them to have certain conversations from different points of view.Why should that be patentable ?
It is clever , but it 's also somewhat obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is another example of why patents are bad.A a technical person - saying "Hey, if we have some devices communicating wirelessly, and we know about the protocols they are using to communicate, we can deduce a bunch of information about their approximate location just by watching how long it takes them to have certain conversations from different points of view.Why should that be patentable?
It is clever, but it's also somewhat obvious.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959854</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264792500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You gotta admire Google.  They are so endlessly, avidly proliferating themselves.  If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.</p></div><p>If they turn evil? What do you think they're doing with all the search data they're gathering?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You got ta admire Google .
They are so endlessly , avidly proliferating themselves .
If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.If they turn evil ?
What do you think they 're doing with all the search data they 're gathering ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gotta admire Google.
They are so endlessly, avidly proliferating themselves.
If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.If they turn evil?
What do you think they're doing with all the search data they're gathering?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959420</id>
	<title>Joke is on Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264786680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Numbers can't be patented. And software is just a series of binary numbers. Google is wasting time and money trying to patent software that is inherently unpatentable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Numbers ca n't be patented .
And software is just a series of binary numbers .
Google is wasting time and money trying to patent software that is inherently unpatentable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Numbers can't be patented.
And software is just a series of binary numbers.
Google is wasting time and money trying to patent software that is inherently unpatentable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30960402</id>
	<title>it kind of doesent work</title>
	<author>]ix[</author>
	<datestamp>1264842480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is probably why my google calender app on my iphone switches to French when I am using it on my home network. I live in Sweden but somehow my ISP has been designated as French and I get a lot of French ads when browsing from home.</p><p>Its weird and somewhat annoying but I am getting a chance to brush up my French.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is probably why my google calender app on my iphone switches to French when I am using it on my home network .
I live in Sweden but somehow my ISP has been designated as French and I get a lot of French ads when browsing from home.Its weird and somewhat annoying but I am getting a chance to brush up my French .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is probably why my google calender app on my iphone switches to French when I am using it on my home network.
I live in Sweden but somehow my ISP has been designated as French and I get a lot of French ads when browsing from home.Its weird and somewhat annoying but I am getting a chance to brush up my French.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30960866</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264850040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm behind NAT too (not ATT, different part of the world) and Google Maps work for me even without GPS. I have an android phone though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm behind NAT too ( not ATT , different part of the world ) and Google Maps work for me even without GPS .
I have an android phone though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm behind NAT too (not ATT, different part of the world) and Google Maps work for me even without GPS.
I have an android phone though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959472</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959374</id>
	<title>slashdot needs new google tags...</title>
	<author>adosch</author>
	<datestamp>1264786080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aside from 'google' 'mobile' 'patents' 'privacy' 'cellphones' and 'story'<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... there should *always* be a 'not surprised' and 'obvious'.  Google is king of data pillaging and border-line inter-personal information mining.  This may fail or it could be highly successful for Google; regardless of the outcome, they've got their hands in just about anything as it pertains to identity on the internet now.  This shouldn't be any more surprising; and it sounds pretty cool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aside from 'google ' 'mobile ' 'patents ' 'privacy ' 'cellphones ' and 'story ' ... there should * always * be a 'not surprised ' and 'obvious' .
Google is king of data pillaging and border-line inter-personal information mining .
This may fail or it could be highly successful for Google ; regardless of the outcome , they 've got their hands in just about anything as it pertains to identity on the internet now .
This should n't be any more surprising ; and it sounds pretty cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aside from 'google' 'mobile' 'patents' 'privacy' 'cellphones' and 'story' ... there should *always* be a 'not surprised' and 'obvious'.
Google is king of data pillaging and border-line inter-personal information mining.
This may fail or it could be highly successful for Google; regardless of the outcome, they've got their hands in just about anything as it pertains to identity on the internet now.
This shouldn't be any more surprising; and it sounds pretty cool.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959466</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>Profane MuthaFucka</author>
	<datestamp>1264787160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope they figure it out, because ATT somehow keeps my new Samsung phone from running Google maps properly. It can't figure out where it is at all. Makes it useless.</p><p>I don't want to pay the fuckers "by the drink" for a GPS service. And I want to strangle the marketer that invented that idiotic bit of buzzword bingo too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they figure it out , because ATT somehow keeps my new Samsung phone from running Google maps properly .
It ca n't figure out where it is at all .
Makes it useless.I do n't want to pay the fuckers " by the drink " for a GPS service .
And I want to strangle the marketer that invented that idiotic bit of buzzword bingo too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they figure it out, because ATT somehow keeps my new Samsung phone from running Google maps properly.
It can't figure out where it is at all.
Makes it useless.I don't want to pay the fuckers "by the drink" for a GPS service.
And I want to strangle the marketer that invented that idiotic bit of buzzword bingo too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30967542</id>
	<title>Marketing slogans aren't what corporations do</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1264864920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fiction that a corporation is a person - combined with the legal precedent that says that the executives can be sued if they do something that reduces profits - makes for some pretty well defined behavior by the corporation. It is solely concerned with maximizing its own revenue and any other concern is incidental or done to "look good".
If the corporation were a real person and was evaluated by a psychologist it would be likely be diagnosed as a psychopath (sociopath).</p><p>
Consider this when you parrot the "Do No Evil" marketing slogan; Google is a corporation and isn't capable of making the distinction between good and evil. At least not by the same standards we common folk do. Don't be surprised when they violate your personal privacy in every possible way so that they can increase their profits - and never forget that for the corporation, the need to increase profits is paramount. Any other consideration takes a distant second place. Even for Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fiction that a corporation is a person - combined with the legal precedent that says that the executives can be sued if they do something that reduces profits - makes for some pretty well defined behavior by the corporation .
It is solely concerned with maximizing its own revenue and any other concern is incidental or done to " look good " .
If the corporation were a real person and was evaluated by a psychologist it would be likely be diagnosed as a psychopath ( sociopath ) .
Consider this when you parrot the " Do No Evil " marketing slogan ; Google is a corporation and is n't capable of making the distinction between good and evil .
At least not by the same standards we common folk do .
Do n't be surprised when they violate your personal privacy in every possible way so that they can increase their profits - and never forget that for the corporation , the need to increase profits is paramount .
Any other consideration takes a distant second place .
Even for Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fiction that a corporation is a person - combined with the legal precedent that says that the executives can be sued if they do something that reduces profits - makes for some pretty well defined behavior by the corporation.
It is solely concerned with maximizing its own revenue and any other concern is incidental or done to "look good".
If the corporation were a real person and was evaluated by a psychologist it would be likely be diagnosed as a psychopath (sociopath).
Consider this when you parrot the "Do No Evil" marketing slogan; Google is a corporation and isn't capable of making the distinction between good and evil.
At least not by the same standards we common folk do.
Don't be surprised when they violate your personal privacy in every possible way so that they can increase their profits - and never forget that for the corporation, the need to increase profits is paramount.
Any other consideration takes a distant second place.
Even for Google.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30961348</id>
	<title>Blown out of proportion?</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1264857720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair on Google, this story could actually just be sensationalist crap.</p><p>On Android phones for example, applications that use location data can either use GPS if available, or use your rough network location based on the cell tower you're communicating with- but obviously that's very rough.</p><p>This patent sounds like they're just trying to improve the usefulness of location data to make location based apps more useful when you don't have a GPS signal, have GPS disabled on low battery, or just don't have GPS in your phone.</p><p>This is one of those cases where the sensationalism is likely just paranoid stupidity, because the solution to avoid it would simply be to not use location based apps, or if you do, tick the box that stops the app sending your location data to Google. It just seems to be a better way of doing something that's already done and where the privacy argument has already been had and the safeguards have already been put in place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair on Google , this story could actually just be sensationalist crap.On Android phones for example , applications that use location data can either use GPS if available , or use your rough network location based on the cell tower you 're communicating with- but obviously that 's very rough.This patent sounds like they 're just trying to improve the usefulness of location data to make location based apps more useful when you do n't have a GPS signal , have GPS disabled on low battery , or just do n't have GPS in your phone.This is one of those cases where the sensationalism is likely just paranoid stupidity , because the solution to avoid it would simply be to not use location based apps , or if you do , tick the box that stops the app sending your location data to Google .
It just seems to be a better way of doing something that 's already done and where the privacy argument has already been had and the safeguards have already been put in place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair on Google, this story could actually just be sensationalist crap.On Android phones for example, applications that use location data can either use GPS if available, or use your rough network location based on the cell tower you're communicating with- but obviously that's very rough.This patent sounds like they're just trying to improve the usefulness of location data to make location based apps more useful when you don't have a GPS signal, have GPS disabled on low battery, or just don't have GPS in your phone.This is one of those cases where the sensationalism is likely just paranoid stupidity, because the solution to avoid it would simply be to not use location based apps, or if you do, tick the box that stops the app sending your location data to Google.
It just seems to be a better way of doing something that's already done and where the privacy argument has already been had and the safeguards have already been put in place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959362</id>
	<title>Amazing Google</title>
	<author>TechForensics</author>
	<datestamp>1264785900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You gotta admire Google.  They are so endlessly, avidly proliferating themselves.  If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got ta admire Google .
They are so endlessly , avidly proliferating themselves .
If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gotta admire Google.
They are so endlessly, avidly proliferating themselves.
If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30965702</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>maratumba</author>
	<datestamp>1264848000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they ever turn evil... </p></div><p>Yeah, when it happens, google will inform us on the main page.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they ever turn evil... Yeah , when it happens , google will inform us on the main page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they ever turn evil... Yeah, when it happens, google will inform us on the main page.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959362</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959652</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1264789380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love Google, but lets be realistic, its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.  The current crew may not be evil even, but they won't be there forever.</p><p>I still find this sort of thing great though, I don't plan on owning an Android device so I'm not real concerned about them spamming me with ads or whatever they plan on building in, and even with that, I'd rather be spammed with location aware ads than something thats no where near me.</p><p>It might be nice to be told that theres a new place to eat a few blocks away from the comedy club when you walk in the door, or told about some random concert I'd like to see in the park while down at city hall paying that speeding ticket I shouldn't have got.</p><p>For now, I'll take what Google offers, but I'll make sure to cover my bases so I can pull out if I need to.</p><p>The key to avoiding Google going evil and being really damaging to you is to exercise responsibility for your data and actions and consider very carefully that it can be used in all sorts of ways you don't expect.  Sadly, I'm one of those people that thinks of ways to screw you over, I think its a side effect of working with a sys admin who was a security genius because he could think of all the ways to do evil.  He was in love with hacking just to be the guy who did it, crazy spider sense too, woke up in the middle of the night one day because he had a dream about a virus infection spreading at the office, which<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it was.  Had it fixed before anyone showed up the next morning<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... And no, he didn't cause it.  Scary, fortunately he's a good guy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love Google , but lets be realistic , its not a matter of if , its a matter of when .
The current crew may not be evil even , but they wo n't be there forever.I still find this sort of thing great though , I do n't plan on owning an Android device so I 'm not real concerned about them spamming me with ads or whatever they plan on building in , and even with that , I 'd rather be spammed with location aware ads than something thats no where near me.It might be nice to be told that theres a new place to eat a few blocks away from the comedy club when you walk in the door , or told about some random concert I 'd like to see in the park while down at city hall paying that speeding ticket I should n't have got.For now , I 'll take what Google offers , but I 'll make sure to cover my bases so I can pull out if I need to.The key to avoiding Google going evil and being really damaging to you is to exercise responsibility for your data and actions and consider very carefully that it can be used in all sorts of ways you do n't expect .
Sadly , I 'm one of those people that thinks of ways to screw you over , I think its a side effect of working with a sys admin who was a security genius because he could think of all the ways to do evil .
He was in love with hacking just to be the guy who did it , crazy spider sense too , woke up in the middle of the night one day because he had a dream about a virus infection spreading at the office , which ... it was .
Had it fixed before anyone showed up the next morning ... And no , he did n't cause it .
Scary , fortunately he 's a good guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love Google, but lets be realistic, its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.
The current crew may not be evil even, but they won't be there forever.I still find this sort of thing great though, I don't plan on owning an Android device so I'm not real concerned about them spamming me with ads or whatever they plan on building in, and even with that, I'd rather be spammed with location aware ads than something thats no where near me.It might be nice to be told that theres a new place to eat a few blocks away from the comedy club when you walk in the door, or told about some random concert I'd like to see in the park while down at city hall paying that speeding ticket I shouldn't have got.For now, I'll take what Google offers, but I'll make sure to cover my bases so I can pull out if I need to.The key to avoiding Google going evil and being really damaging to you is to exercise responsibility for your data and actions and consider very carefully that it can be used in all sorts of ways you don't expect.
Sadly, I'm one of those people that thinks of ways to screw you over, I think its a side effect of working with a sys admin who was a security genius because he could think of all the ways to do evil.
He was in love with hacking just to be the guy who did it, crazy spider sense too, woke up in the middle of the night one day because he had a dream about a virus infection spreading at the office, which ... it was.
Had it fixed before anyone showed up the next morning ... And no, he didn't cause it.
Scary, fortunately he's a good guy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959488</id>
	<title>Re:Carriers can mess with this?</title>
	<author>Moridin42</author>
	<datestamp>1264787520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Carriers need to do something deliberate to randomly slow transmission rates for random customers? I would like to know which carrier this is. Are they located in the US?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Carriers need to do something deliberate to randomly slow transmission rates for random customers ?
I would like to know which carrier this is .
Are they located in the US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Carriers need to do something deliberate to randomly slow transmission rates for random customers?
I would like to know which carrier this is.
Are they located in the US?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959370</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959478</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264787400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends on the carrier. Some are happy to give out the information, but others aren't - that function never worked for me when I was on China Mobile..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the carrier .
Some are happy to give out the information , but others are n't - that function never worked for me when I was on China Mobile. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the carrier.
Some are happy to give out the information, but others aren't - that function never worked for me when I was on China Mobile..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959454</id>
	<title>Re:Carriers can mess with this?</title>
	<author>sharkbiter</author>
	<datestamp>1264787100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With all due respect, the carriers have enough on their hands currently to not bother with this. Unless the priority of the information becomes tantamount, in which case we would see a scenario like "Gee that's a nice geo loco information gathering program you've got there. A shame something might happen to it".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With all due respect , the carriers have enough on their hands currently to not bother with this .
Unless the priority of the information becomes tantamount , in which case we would see a scenario like " Gee that 's a nice geo loco information gathering program you 've got there .
A shame something might happen to it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all due respect, the carriers have enough on their hands currently to not bother with this.
Unless the priority of the information becomes tantamount, in which case we would see a scenario like "Gee that's a nice geo loco information gathering program you've got there.
A shame something might happen to it".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959900</id>
	<title>Re:Carriers can mess with this?</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1264793220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure they care enough about this??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure they care enough about this ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure they care enough about this?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959682</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>Aashi84</author>
	<datestamp>1264789740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You gotta admire Google.  They are so endlessly, avidly proliferating themselves.  If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.</p></div><p>it is worth admirable</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You got ta admire Google .
They are so endlessly , avidly proliferating themselves .
If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.it is worth admirable</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You gotta admire Google.
They are so endlessly, avidly proliferating themselves.
If they ever turn evil we could be in a lot of trouble.it is worth admirable
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30965714</id>
	<title>skyhook alternative when they did streetview</title>
	<author>speculatrix</author>
	<datestamp>1264848120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was wondering why Google didn't scan for wifi access points when they did their streetview; this would have seeded their location database. After that, all the people running google maps on various smartphones with GPS capability would allow them to keep it up to date or cover areas street view mapping didn't cover.</p><p>Or maybe they did and sold the data to skyhook instead<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering why Google did n't scan for wifi access points when they did their streetview ; this would have seeded their location database .
After that , all the people running google maps on various smartphones with GPS capability would allow them to keep it up to date or cover areas street view mapping did n't cover.Or maybe they did and sold the data to skyhook instead ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering why Google didn't scan for wifi access points when they did their streetview; this would have seeded their location database.
After that, all the people running google maps on various smartphones with GPS capability would allow them to keep it up to date or cover areas street view mapping didn't cover.Or maybe they did and sold the data to skyhook instead ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959472</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264787220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Samsung phone can't do it. ATT is blocking it. Google maps can't find my location either with the GPS or with the triangulation cell id location.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Samsung phone ca n't do it .
ATT is blocking it .
Google maps ca n't find my location either with the GPS or with the triangulation cell id location .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Samsung phone can't do it.
ATT is blocking it.
Google maps can't find my location either with the GPS or with the triangulation cell id location.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959370</id>
	<title>Carriers can mess with this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264786080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's stopping carriers from deliberately slowing transmission rates for random customers during random intervals? Just enough such that Google's data is inaccurate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's stopping carriers from deliberately slowing transmission rates for random customers during random intervals ?
Just enough such that Google 's data is inaccurate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's stopping carriers from deliberately slowing transmission rates for random customers during random intervals?
Just enough such that Google's data is inaccurate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959720</id>
	<title>Re:Eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264790520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For what it's worth, my AT&amp;T non-GPS Blackberry can do it.  Although it's usually only good to within 2-4km in my experience.  I'm not sure if it's using triangulation or just centering on the nearest cell tower, but it's certainly no GPS replacement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth , my AT&amp;T non-GPS Blackberry can do it .
Although it 's usually only good to within 2-4km in my experience .
I 'm not sure if it 's using triangulation or just centering on the nearest cell tower , but it 's certainly no GPS replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth, my AT&amp;T non-GPS Blackberry can do it.
Although it's usually only good to within 2-4km in my experience.
I'm not sure if it's using triangulation or just centering on the nearest cell tower, but it's certainly no GPS replacement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30966590</id>
	<title>Re:The real reason for Google's DNS change suggest</title>
	<author>BlackPignouf</author>
	<datestamp>1264855860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod him -5: bullshit.</p><p>Google already has the user's IP address.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod him -5 : bullshit.Google already has the user 's IP address .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod him -5: bullshit.Google already has the user's IP address.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30960872</id>
	<title>Re:The real reason for Google's DNS change suggest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264850100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they have the time of the DNS request and then the time of the HTTP request the interval is an extra measurement they can use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have the time of the DNS request and then the time of the HTTP request the interval is an extra measurement they can use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have the time of the DNS request and then the time of the HTTP request the interval is an extra measurement they can use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30967756</id>
	<title>One step closer to the Information Society</title>
	<author>ALeader71</author>
	<datestamp>1264868040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPS in our cell phones.  Location-aware OSes.  Now Google has figured out how to identify where packets came from.</p><p>Google turning evil nothing.  Imagine what the government could do with this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS in our cell phones .
Location-aware OSes .
Now Google has figured out how to identify where packets came from.Google turning evil nothing .
Imagine what the government could do with this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS in our cell phones.
Location-aware OSes.
Now Google has figured out how to identify where packets came from.Google turning evil nothing.
Imagine what the government could do with this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959844</id>
	<title>Re:The real reason for Google's DNS change suggest</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1264792380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would they need DNS modified for that? For users connecting to a Google service, which is what would be needed to measure the kind of stuff this patent talks about, they already have the IP address, because the user, well, connected to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would they need DNS modified for that ?
For users connecting to a Google service , which is what would be needed to measure the kind of stuff this patent talks about , they already have the IP address , because the user , well , connected to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would they need DNS modified for that?
For users connecting to a Google service, which is what would be needed to measure the kind of stuff this patent talks about, they already have the IP address, because the user, well, connected to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959644</id>
	<title>google is evil just like the nazis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264789260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and so are faggots.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and so are faggots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and so are faggots.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959522</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>garyisabusyguy</author>
	<datestamp>1264787940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't remember the name, but in Snowcrash there was a company that was privatized from the government made up of the NSA and the Library of Congress. Google demonstrates more of the fictional company's capabilities every day</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't remember the name , but in Snowcrash there was a company that was privatized from the government made up of the NSA and the Library of Congress .
Google demonstrates more of the fictional company 's capabilities every day</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't remember the name, but in Snowcrash there was a company that was privatized from the government made up of the NSA and the Library of Congress.
Google demonstrates more of the fictional company's capabilities every day</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30962990</id>
	<title>Re:Amazing Google</title>
	<author>Phurge</author>
	<datestamp>1264873140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with parts of your post. My take on internet companies is that propensity towards evil occurs when the founders sell out - ebay being a prime example. (although recently Amazon and its kindle have shown an increasing level of evilness). When it comes to google, they have had ample opportunity many times to be evil, but for the time being I am relaxed because of two points: 1 - Larrey &amp; Sergey are still there, 2 - their business model (serving ads) relies on openess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with parts of your post .
My take on internet companies is that propensity towards evil occurs when the founders sell out - ebay being a prime example .
( although recently Amazon and its kindle have shown an increasing level of evilness ) .
When it comes to google , they have had ample opportunity many times to be evil , but for the time being I am relaxed because of two points : 1 - Larrey &amp; Sergey are still there , 2 - their business model ( serving ads ) relies on openess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with parts of your post.
My take on internet companies is that propensity towards evil occurs when the founders sell out - ebay being a prime example.
(although recently Amazon and its kindle have shown an increasing level of evilness).
When it comes to google, they have had ample opportunity many times to be evil, but for the time being I am relaxed because of two points: 1 - Larrey &amp; Sergey are still there, 2 - their business model (serving ads) relies on openess.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_30_0222246.30959738</id>
	<title>don't want thieves in your home?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264790820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>don't let niggers into you neighborhood.</htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't let niggers into you neighborhood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't let niggers into you neighborhood.</sentencetext>
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