<article>
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	<title>Laser Fusion Passes Major Hurdle</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1264776360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>chill writes <i>"The National Ignition Facility at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has performed their <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8485669.stm">first controlled fusion experiments using all 192 lasers</a>. While still not ramped up to full power, the first experiments proved very fruitful. The lasers create a lot of plasma in the target container and researchers worried that the plasma would interfere with the ability of the target to absorb enough energy to ignite. These experiments show that not only does enough energy make it through, the plasma can be manipulated to increase the uniformity of compression. Ramping up of power is due to start in May."</i> The project lead, Dr. Sigfried Glenzer, is "confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon. He added, quite simply, 'It's going to happen this year.'"</htmltext>
<tokenext>chill writes " The National Ignition Facility at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has performed their first controlled fusion experiments using all 192 lasers .
While still not ramped up to full power , the first experiments proved very fruitful .
The lasers create a lot of plasma in the target container and researchers worried that the plasma would interfere with the ability of the target to absorb enough energy to ignite .
These experiments show that not only does enough energy make it through , the plasma can be manipulated to increase the uniformity of compression .
Ramping up of power is due to start in May .
" The project lead , Dr. Sigfried Glenzer , is " confident that with everything in place , ignition is on the horizon .
He added , quite simply , 'It 's going to happen this year .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>chill writes "The National Ignition Facility at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory has performed their first controlled fusion experiments using all 192 lasers.
While still not ramped up to full power, the first experiments proved very fruitful.
The lasers create a lot of plasma in the target container and researchers worried that the plasma would interfere with the ability of the target to absorb enough energy to ignite.
These experiments show that not only does enough energy make it through, the plasma can be manipulated to increase the uniformity of compression.
Ramping up of power is due to start in May.
" The project lead, Dr. Sigfried Glenzer, is "confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon.
He added, quite simply, 'It's going to happen this year.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953222</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>eth1</author>
	<datestamp>1264795080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that your damn helium smog will make us all sound funny!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that your damn helium smog will make us all sound funny !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that your damn helium smog will make us all sound funny!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949940</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264783080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And, let's admit everything works: what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce? And of what type?</i></p><p><i>Don't give me the "it's fusion, so it's clean, duh" line: this machine is going to generate an enormous amount of energy and a lot of that will in the form of a "carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion" (BBC dixit) -- which means radiation, which also means neutrons. And neutrons are not really good for your health.</i></p><p>Later in TFA it says they'll eventually be fusing a fuel containing a mix deuterium and tritium.  Deuterium-deuterium fusion yields tritium and a neutron, and deuterium-tritium fusion yields helium-4 and a neutron.  So the byproducts are Helium-4 (not radioactive in the slightest) and neutrons.</p><p>High energy neutrons are very bad for you, yes, but that just means you won't be standing near the unshielded reaction chamber.  It's not like you have to dump a big pile of poisonous neutrons somewhere.  The neutrons will affect the containment itself, but the biggest problem there is just that it becomes brittle, not necessarily radioactive.</p><p>It is basically true that fusion is clean.  The waste is minimal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And , let 's admit everything works : what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce ?
And of what type ? Do n't give me the " it 's fusion , so it 's clean , duh " line : this machine is going to generate an enormous amount of energy and a lot of that will in the form of a " carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion " ( BBC dixit ) -- which means radiation , which also means neutrons .
And neutrons are not really good for your health.Later in TFA it says they 'll eventually be fusing a fuel containing a mix deuterium and tritium .
Deuterium-deuterium fusion yields tritium and a neutron , and deuterium-tritium fusion yields helium-4 and a neutron .
So the byproducts are Helium-4 ( not radioactive in the slightest ) and neutrons.High energy neutrons are very bad for you , yes , but that just means you wo n't be standing near the unshielded reaction chamber .
It 's not like you have to dump a big pile of poisonous neutrons somewhere .
The neutrons will affect the containment itself , but the biggest problem there is just that it becomes brittle , not necessarily radioactive.It is basically true that fusion is clean .
The waste is minimal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, let's admit everything works: what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce?
And of what type?Don't give me the "it's fusion, so it's clean, duh" line: this machine is going to generate an enormous amount of energy and a lot of that will in the form of a "carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion" (BBC dixit) -- which means radiation, which also means neutrons.
And neutrons are not really good for your health.Later in TFA it says they'll eventually be fusing a fuel containing a mix deuterium and tritium.
Deuterium-deuterium fusion yields tritium and a neutron, and deuterium-tritium fusion yields helium-4 and a neutron.
So the byproducts are Helium-4 (not radioactive in the slightest) and neutrons.High energy neutrons are very bad for you, yes, but that just means you won't be standing near the unshielded reaction chamber.
It's not like you have to dump a big pile of poisonous neutrons somewhere.
The neutrons will affect the containment itself, but the biggest problem there is just that it becomes brittle, not necessarily radioactive.It is basically true that fusion is clean.
The waste is minimal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30955508</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264761540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But more importantly, no more jackass empires that destroy governments to get cheap oil, then act surprised when dictators and scumbags rise to power in these countries<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But more importantly , no more jackass empires that destroy governments to get cheap oil , then act surprised when dictators and scumbags rise to power in these countries : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But more importantly, no more jackass empires that destroy governments to get cheap oil, then act surprised when dictators and scumbags rise to power in these countries :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950462</id>
	<title>We don't care, tomorrow we have overunity.</title>
	<author>master\_p</author>
	<datestamp>1264785000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;joke&gt;
<br>
<a href="http://www.steorn.com/" title="steorn.com">Here.</a> [steorn.com]
<br>
&lt;/joke&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here .
[ steorn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

Here.
[steorn.com]

</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949446</id>
	<title>Compared to the megajoule laser?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264780920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I guess this is the same megajoule laser, that I read about over <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/one-megajoule-laser-brings-nuclear-fusion-closer-to-reality/" title="engadget.com" rel="nofollow">at engadger</a> [engadget.com]?</p><p>According to tfa:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"We hit it with 669 kilojoules - 20 times more than any previous laser facility," Nif's Siegfried Glenzer told BBC News.</p> </div><p>So, basically, if I am getting this straight</p><p>Really powerful laser =&gt; shoots really cold stuff =&gt; reaction causes x-rays to be created =&gt; x-rays cause stuff to get super hot =&gt; if you can get two things hot enough (i.e. hydrogen atoms), they fuse.</p><p>How interesting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I guess this is the same megajoule laser , that I read about over at engadger [ engadget.com ] ? According to tfa : " We hit it with 669 kilojoules - 20 times more than any previous laser facility , " Nif 's Siegfried Glenzer told BBC News .
So , basically , if I am getting this straightReally powerful laser = &gt; shoots really cold stuff = &gt; reaction causes x-rays to be created = &gt; x-rays cause stuff to get super hot = &gt; if you can get two things hot enough ( i.e .
hydrogen atoms ) , they fuse.How interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I guess this is the same megajoule laser, that I read about over at engadger [engadget.com]?According to tfa:"We hit it with 669 kilojoules - 20 times more than any previous laser facility," Nif's Siegfried Glenzer told BBC News.
So, basically, if I am getting this straightReally powerful laser =&gt; shoots really cold stuff =&gt; reaction causes x-rays to be created =&gt; x-rays cause stuff to get super hot =&gt; if you can get two things hot enough (i.e.
hydrogen atoms), they fuse.How interesting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949348</id>
	<title>This is wonderful!</title>
	<author>fredrated</author>
	<datestamp>1264780500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now fusion energy is only 10 years away!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now fusion energy is only 10 years away !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now fusion energy is only 10 years away!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949992</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>delinear</author>
	<datestamp>1264783260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My understanding (and IANALaserologist) is that fusion only generates low level nuclear waste, the sort of stuff you get as a by product of various machines in hospitals and... relatively... safe to handle, so I guess the real question is about the quantity, whether it's within the bounds we already deal with or exceeds those by several order of magnitudes could be the key factor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding ( and IANALaserologist ) is that fusion only generates low level nuclear waste , the sort of stuff you get as a by product of various machines in hospitals and... relatively... safe to handle , so I guess the real question is about the quantity , whether it 's within the bounds we already deal with or exceeds those by several order of magnitudes could be the key factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding (and IANALaserologist) is that fusion only generates low level nuclear waste, the sort of stuff you get as a by product of various machines in hospitals and... relatively... safe to handle, so I guess the real question is about the quantity, whether it's within the bounds we already deal with or exceeds those by several order of magnitudes could be the key factor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953198</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1264794960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your leaving out that a reactor will bread tritium.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your leaving out that a reactor will bread tritium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your leaving out that a reactor will bread tritium.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30959596</id>
	<title>Re:Homemade fusion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264788840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting. A post about fusion in a thread about fusion, yet marked off-topic. Very interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting .
A post about fusion in a thread about fusion , yet marked off-topic .
Very interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.
A post about fusion in a thread about fusion, yet marked off-topic.
Very interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952742</id>
	<title>Pencil Perspective</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1264793040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Weird how the photographer held a pencil to point at the laser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Weird how the photographer held a pencil to point at the laser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weird how the photographer held a pencil to point at the laser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951206</id>
	<title>Re:National Ignition Facility?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1264787640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hate to tell ya, but we&rsquo;d be the ones dying from the nuclear winter style smoke, clouds and coldness, while &ldquo;our&rdquo; politicians would search a scapegoat for this &ldquo;act of terrorism of employing weapons of mass destruction (fire)&rdquo; (anyone but the now burning USA itself, of course), making all forms of combustion illegal and build themselves a nice geothermally heated lair under a volcano.</p><p>I&rsquo;d even bet money that this would happen!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hate to tell ya , but we    d be the ones dying from the nuclear winter style smoke , clouds and coldness , while    our    politicians would search a scapegoat for this    act of terrorism of employing weapons of mass destruction ( fire )    ( anyone but the now burning USA itself , of course ) , making all forms of combustion illegal and build themselves a nice geothermally heated lair under a volcano.I    d even bet money that this would happen !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hate to tell ya, but we’d be the ones dying from the nuclear winter style smoke, clouds and coldness, while “our” politicians would search a scapegoat for this “act of terrorism of employing weapons of mass destruction (fire)” (anyone but the now burning USA itself, of course), making all forms of combustion illegal and build themselves a nice geothermally heated lair under a volcano.I’d even bet money that this would happen!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950354</id>
	<title>Trademark violation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264784640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, we're now using lasers to control fusion?  Are we sure Gillette doesn't already own the rights to this?</p><p>(Suggested keywords for reply jokes: excel, sensor, stealth)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , we 're now using lasers to control fusion ?
Are we sure Gillette does n't already own the rights to this ?
( Suggested keywords for reply jokes : excel , sensor , stealth )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, we're now using lasers to control fusion?
Are we sure Gillette doesn't already own the rights to this?
(Suggested keywords for reply jokes: excel, sensor, stealth)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950278</id>
	<title>Re:This is wonderful!</title>
	<author>jbeaupre</author>
	<datestamp>1264784280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You must be North Korean.  We've had fusion energy for almost 60 years: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy\_Mike" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy\_Mike</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be North Korean .
We 've had fusion energy for almost 60 years : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy \ _Mike [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be North Korean.
We've had fusion energy for almost 60 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy\_Mike [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953000</id>
	<title>Re:Please calm down...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264794180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NIF has a really clever PR team, that's all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NIF has a really clever PR team , that 's all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NIF has a really clever PR team, that's all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951354</id>
	<title>Re:Trying to source a quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264788180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's face it, you can't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION, then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.</p></div><p> <i>Fuck</i>!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's face it , you ca n't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION , then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket .
Fuck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's face it, you can't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION, then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.
Fuck!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951918</id>
	<title>fusion is welfare for PhDs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264789980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8827-no-future-for-fusion-power-says-top-scientist.html<br>http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978Sci...199.1403P<br>but see http://www.frc.gatech.edu/Policy/fusion\_critic\_response\_stacey.pdf<br>for a response<br>and anyway, people who back fusion are just stupid; why would you build plants that produce huge amounts of radioactive waste (via neutron capture in the containment shell) when you could have, for the same investment, solar wind and devices that use less energy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.newscientist.com/article/dn8827-no-future-for-fusion-power-says-top-scientist.htmlhttp : //adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978Sci...199.1403Pbut see http : //www.frc.gatech.edu/Policy/fusion \ _critic \ _response \ _stacey.pdffor a responseand anyway , people who back fusion are just stupid ; why would you build plants that produce huge amounts of radioactive waste ( via neutron capture in the containment shell ) when you could have , for the same investment , solar wind and devices that use less energy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8827-no-future-for-fusion-power-says-top-scientist.htmlhttp://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978Sci...199.1403Pbut see http://www.frc.gatech.edu/Policy/fusion\_critic\_response\_stacey.pdffor a responseand anyway, people who back fusion are just stupid; why would you build plants that produce huge amounts of radioactive waste (via neutron capture in the containment shell) when you could have, for the same investment, solar wind and devices that use less energy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952802</id>
	<title>When are they going to make a hoverboard?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264793340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't care if they end up discovering portals to other worlds or generating limitless energy... I WANT MY HOVERBOARD!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't care if they end up discovering portals to other worlds or generating limitless energy... I WANT MY HOVERBOARD !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't care if they end up discovering portals to other worlds or generating limitless energy... I WANT MY HOVERBOARD!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953252</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1264795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>plain old fission reactors produce neutrons up in the 10MeV range. However per unit heat output its much less than a fusion reactor. But the experience with fission materials does in fact help us. Also we have more flexibility with a fusion reactor since you don't need to worry about neutron economy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>plain old fission reactors produce neutrons up in the 10MeV range .
However per unit heat output its much less than a fusion reactor .
But the experience with fission materials does in fact help us .
Also we have more flexibility with a fusion reactor since you do n't need to worry about neutron economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>plain old fission reactors produce neutrons up in the 10MeV range.
However per unit heat output its much less than a fusion reactor.
But the experience with fission materials does in fact help us.
Also we have more flexibility with a fusion reactor since you don't need to worry about neutron economy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949706</id>
	<title>Please calm down...</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1264782060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand why this is even doing news. The temperatures that were reach are commonly reached inside tokamaks. Fusion itself has already been sustained in them for several seconds,a feat a laser confinement mechanism cannot do. Of course these reactions did use more energy than it created. Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand why this is even doing news .
The temperatures that were reach are commonly reached inside tokamaks .
Fusion itself has already been sustained in them for several seconds,a feat a laser confinement mechanism can not do .
Of course these reactions did use more energy than it created .
Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand why this is even doing news.
The temperatures that were reach are commonly reached inside tokamaks.
Fusion itself has already been sustained in them for several seconds,a feat a laser confinement mechanism cannot do.
Of course these reactions did use more energy than it created.
Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949564</id>
	<title>192 lasers?  Simultaneously?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264781460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw the technology.  I wanna know who the fricken' shark trainer is!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw the technology .
I wan na know who the fricken ' shark trainer is !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw the technology.
I wanna know who the fricken' shark trainer is!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949356</id>
	<title>That's about the coolest or hottest thing ever</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1264780560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Understand just enough to know that I don't understand enough, but this sounds fantastic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Understand just enough to know that I do n't understand enough , but this sounds fantastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Understand just enough to know that I don't understand enough, but this sounds fantastic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950324</id>
	<title>steam?!</title>
	<author>jcgam69</author>
	<datestamp>1264784460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A commercial reactor would generate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial\_confinement\_fusion" title="wikipedia.org">steam</a> [wikipedia.org] to drive a turbine to create electricity at about 35\% efficiency.  We've been using steam to generate electricity for at least 100 years.  There HAS to be a better way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A commercial reactor would generate steam [ wikipedia.org ] to drive a turbine to create electricity at about 35 \ % efficiency .
We 've been using steam to generate electricity for at least 100 years .
There HAS to be a better way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A commercial reactor would generate steam [wikipedia.org] to drive a turbine to create electricity at about 35\% efficiency.
We've been using steam to generate electricity for at least 100 years.
There HAS to be a better way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949686</id>
	<title>Not yet</title>
	<author>syrinx</author>
	<datestamp>1264782000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone knows fusion power doesn't become available until 2050, and microwave power comes first.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone knows fusion power does n't become available until 2050 , and microwave power comes first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone knows fusion power doesn't become available until 2050, and microwave power comes first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951592</id>
	<title>Homemade fusion</title>
	<author>Kazymyr</author>
	<datestamp>1264788900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the meantime, amateurs build fusion devices in their basements and achieve real measurable D-D fusion:</p><p><a href="http://www.fusor.net/" title="fusor.net">http://www.fusor.net/</a> [fusor.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the meantime , amateurs build fusion devices in their basements and achieve real measurable D-D fusion : http : //www.fusor.net/ [ fusor.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the meantime, amateurs build fusion devices in their basements and achieve real measurable D-D fusion:http://www.fusor.net/ [fusor.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30959938</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>tragedy</author>
	<datestamp>1264793820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tritium isn't really that incredibly rare. Granted, there's probably only about 6 tons in the earths oceans, but it has to be considered in terms of how much is actually needed, rather than absolute quantity. Also, it has a half life of about 12.5 years, so the fact that the amount in the oceans remains pretty much constant means that it's being replenished constantly from radioactive decay of other elements. Plus, of course, we can just make the stuff from other, more common, isotopes and a neutron source (such as a neutron reactor).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tritium is n't really that incredibly rare .
Granted , there 's probably only about 6 tons in the earths oceans , but it has to be considered in terms of how much is actually needed , rather than absolute quantity .
Also , it has a half life of about 12.5 years , so the fact that the amount in the oceans remains pretty much constant means that it 's being replenished constantly from radioactive decay of other elements .
Plus , of course , we can just make the stuff from other , more common , isotopes and a neutron source ( such as a neutron reactor ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tritium isn't really that incredibly rare.
Granted, there's probably only about 6 tons in the earths oceans, but it has to be considered in terms of how much is actually needed, rather than absolute quantity.
Also, it has a half life of about 12.5 years, so the fact that the amount in the oceans remains pretty much constant means that it's being replenished constantly from radioactive decay of other elements.
Plus, of course, we can just make the stuff from other, more common, isotopes and a neutron source (such as a neutron reactor).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30960092</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>inKubus</author>
	<datestamp>1264882200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems much of our need for government of any kind is to protect us from the other people anyway.  Most everything else is provided by the market..  Once energy is free it's just a matter of who can use it fastest, and that's always going to be small organizations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems much of our need for government of any kind is to protect us from the other people anyway .
Most everything else is provided by the market.. Once energy is free it 's just a matter of who can use it fastest , and that 's always going to be small organizations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems much of our need for government of any kind is to protect us from the other people anyway.
Most everything else is provided by the market..  Once energy is free it's just a matter of who can use it fastest, and that's always going to be small organizations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951214</id>
	<title>Re:Lasers?</title>
	<author>Starlet Monroe</author>
	<datestamp>1264787700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Why aren't they using an array of neural-network-controlled, articulated metal arms to control the fusion chamber</p><p>Yeah, where's waldo?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Why are n't they using an array of neural-network-controlled , articulated metal arms to control the fusion chamberYeah , where 's waldo ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Why aren't they using an array of neural-network-controlled, articulated metal arms to control the fusion chamberYeah, where's waldo?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949444</id>
	<title>I can see it now...</title>
	<author>s0litaire</author>
	<datestamp>1264780920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>1) May: ramping up power<br>2) June 1st: Flick the switch<br>3) ???<br>4) June 2nd: They are now the proud owners of a 2mile wide smoking crater...<br>5) Tourist industry profits...</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) May : ramping up power2 ) June 1st : Flick the switch3 ) ? ?
? 4 ) June 2nd : They are now the proud owners of a 2mile wide smoking crater...5 ) Tourist industry profits.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) May: ramping up power2) June 1st: Flick the switch3) ??
?4) June 2nd: They are now the proud owners of a 2mile wide smoking crater...5) Tourist industry profits...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952240</id>
	<title>Re:This is wonderful!</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1264791060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Often, when I hear a joke, I repeat the punch line and then laugh like 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA'.</p><p>I get all the chicks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Often , when I hear a joke , I repeat the punch line and then laugh like 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA'.I get all the chicks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Often, when I hear a joke, I repeat the punch line and then laugh like 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA'.I get all the chicks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951050</id>
	<title>fuck, more geopolitics of scarcity then ;-(</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1264787100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oh well, i guess in 2030 the usa will be invading bolivia</p><p>bolivia has the world's largest deposits of lithium, by a long shot</p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/world/americas/03lithium.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/world/americas/03lithium.html</a> [nytimes.com]</p><p>maybe its time we look off-world for unobtainium<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh well , i guess in 2030 the usa will be invading boliviabolivia has the world 's largest deposits of lithium , by a long shothttp : //www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/world/americas/03lithium.html [ nytimes.com ] maybe its time we look off-world for unobtainium ; -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh well, i guess in 2030 the usa will be invading boliviabolivia has the world's largest deposits of lithium, by a long shothttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/world/americas/03lithium.html [nytimes.com]maybe its time we look off-world for unobtainium ;-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952970</id>
	<title>Bonus Payoff</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1264794060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it works, Dick Cheney will instantly keel over.<br> <br> <i>/ something something Dark Side</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it works , Dick Cheney will instantly keel over .
/ something something Dark Side</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it works, Dick Cheney will instantly keel over.
/ something something Dark Side</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952376</id>
	<title>Polywell</title>
	<author>Colin Walsh</author>
	<datestamp>1264791600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Navy-funded <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywell" title="wikipedia.org">Polywell</a> [wikipedia.org] experiment is looking to hit break-even in some time less than the frustrating "20 years away" event horizon that's been plaguing magnetic confinement and laser based devices such as this one. I'd say it's a good bet that Polywell will achieve break-even first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Navy-funded Polywell [ wikipedia.org ] experiment is looking to hit break-even in some time less than the frustrating " 20 years away " event horizon that 's been plaguing magnetic confinement and laser based devices such as this one .
I 'd say it 's a good bet that Polywell will achieve break-even first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Navy-funded Polywell [wikipedia.org] experiment is looking to hit break-even in some time less than the frustrating "20 years away" event horizon that's been plaguing magnetic confinement and laser based devices such as this one.
I'd say it's a good bet that Polywell will achieve break-even first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30958970</id>
	<title>Re:Please calm down...</title>
	<author>5pp000</author>
	<datestamp>1264782120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Fusion itself has already been sustained in [tokamaks] for several seconds, a feat a laser confinement mechanism cannot do. Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants.<br>
--<br>
The Wise adapts himself to the world. The Fool adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>So, you're saying that the people working on laser fusion are Fools?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fusion itself has already been sustained in [ tokamaks ] for several seconds , a feat a laser confinement mechanism can not do .
Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants .
-- The Wise adapts himself to the world .
The Fool adapts the world to himself .
Therefore , all progress depends on the Fool .
So , you 're saying that the people working on laser fusion are Fools ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fusion itself has already been sustained in [tokamaks] for several seconds, a feat a laser confinement mechanism cannot do.
Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants.
--
The Wise adapts himself to the world.
The Fool adapts the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the Fool.
So, you're saying that the people working on laser fusion are Fools?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949738</id>
	<title>Re:This is wonderful!</title>
	<author>radtea</author>
	<datestamp>1264782240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Now fusion energy is only 10 years away!</i></p><p>And will be for the next fifty years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now fusion energy is only 10 years away ! And will be for the next fifty years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now fusion energy is only 10 years away!And will be for the next fifty years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951766</id>
	<title>Re:Lasers?</title>
	<author>corbettw</author>
	<datestamp>1264789500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, cause that worked out SOOOOO well for the last guy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , cause that worked out SOOOOO well for the last guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, cause that worked out SOOOOO well for the last guy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951616</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264788960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>additionally, if everyone had electric cars, there would be no petrodollars funding saudi arabia, a backwards fundamentalist regime that funds wahhabi madrassas in places like pakistan, that give rise to all of these well-funded (from saudi "charities") militant assholes in the muslim world</p><p>no funding of gas bag chavez in venezuela, no funding of neoimperial russia and putin, no funding for nigerian graft and corruption...</p></div></blockquote><p>Replace every instance of "no" with "less".  Gasoline is not the only thing we make with oil.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>additionally , if everyone had electric cars , there would be no petrodollars funding saudi arabia , a backwards fundamentalist regime that funds wahhabi madrassas in places like pakistan , that give rise to all of these well-funded ( from saudi " charities " ) militant assholes in the muslim worldno funding of gas bag chavez in venezuela , no funding of neoimperial russia and putin , no funding for nigerian graft and corruption...Replace every instance of " no " with " less " .
Gasoline is not the only thing we make with oil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>additionally, if everyone had electric cars, there would be no petrodollars funding saudi arabia, a backwards fundamentalist regime that funds wahhabi madrassas in places like pakistan, that give rise to all of these well-funded (from saudi "charities") militant assholes in the muslim worldno funding of gas bag chavez in venezuela, no funding of neoimperial russia and putin, no funding for nigerian graft and corruption...Replace every instance of "no" with "less".
Gasoline is not the only thing we make with oil.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30957990</id>
	<title>Re:Can someone please explain...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1264773900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>density, availablilty.</p><p>I am a big proponent of Industrial Solar thermal. You can get more power per Sqr meter then with solar power in amny areas. In fact, woudl coulf build a huge arrain in Texas, NM, AZ to handkle most of outr power nedes, but use goes up, and land is finite.</p><p>Fusion has the potential to generate a lot of energy, more then we get from the sun in the same space.</p><p>Other features are space travel, where solar isn't exactly optimal Past mars</p><p>I wuld love to see them build IFRs as well, to help with the base load generated from IST.</p><p>Do some Solar panel math.</p><p>About 1Kw energy hits evers square meter. Look at the efficience of a solar panel.<br>Now look at how much area it would take to power all are electricity. Plus you need to store it. IT has it's place, but as for solving a significant piece of are needs? no.</p><p>There are huge environmental impact from 'damning' of smaller rivers. Also cost factors., and the fact that the number of damns you can have has a pratcial limet. ! damn per X amount of lower feet of elevation. So if a river drops 500 feet over 1000 miles, you can only have 1 damn. those number should be checked, but I think they illistrat the issue I am talking about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>density , availablilty.I am a big proponent of Industrial Solar thermal .
You can get more power per Sqr meter then with solar power in amny areas .
In fact , woudl coulf build a huge arrain in Texas , NM , AZ to handkle most of outr power nedes , but use goes up , and land is finite.Fusion has the potential to generate a lot of energy , more then we get from the sun in the same space.Other features are space travel , where solar is n't exactly optimal Past marsI wuld love to see them build IFRs as well , to help with the base load generated from IST.Do some Solar panel math.About 1Kw energy hits evers square meter .
Look at the efficience of a solar panel.Now look at how much area it would take to power all are electricity .
Plus you need to store it .
IT has it 's place , but as for solving a significant piece of are needs ?
no.There are huge environmental impact from 'damning ' of smaller rivers .
Also cost factors. , and the fact that the number of damns you can have has a pratcial limet .
! damn per X amount of lower feet of elevation .
So if a river drops 500 feet over 1000 miles , you can only have 1 damn .
those number should be checked , but I think they illistrat the issue I am talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>density, availablilty.I am a big proponent of Industrial Solar thermal.
You can get more power per Sqr meter then with solar power in amny areas.
In fact, woudl coulf build a huge arrain in Texas, NM, AZ to handkle most of outr power nedes, but use goes up, and land is finite.Fusion has the potential to generate a lot of energy, more then we get from the sun in the same space.Other features are space travel, where solar isn't exactly optimal Past marsI wuld love to see them build IFRs as well, to help with the base load generated from IST.Do some Solar panel math.About 1Kw energy hits evers square meter.
Look at the efficience of a solar panel.Now look at how much area it would take to power all are electricity.
Plus you need to store it.
IT has it's place, but as for solving a significant piece of are needs?
no.There are huge environmental impact from 'damning' of smaller rivers.
Also cost factors., and the fact that the number of damns you can have has a pratcial limet.
! damn per X amount of lower feet of elevation.
So if a river drops 500 feet over 1000 miles, you can only have 1 damn.
those number should be checked, but I think they illistrat the issue I am talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949392</id>
	<title>Pocket Fusion for everyone,,,</title>
	<author>MindPrison</author>
	<datestamp>1264780740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... something to think about the next time you brag to your friends about your 300mW pocket laser pointer popping balloons &amp; burning wood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... something to think about the next time you brag to your friends about your 300mW pocket laser pointer popping balloons &amp; burning wood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... something to think about the next time you brag to your friends about your 300mW pocket laser pointer popping balloons &amp; burning wood.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953274</id>
	<title>Well done, but is it practicle power</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1264795320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well to NIF, looks like there'll get there pellets to fuse, as orders. However
that doesn't mean this will be a practicle power source. They have made
no effort to construct something that can extract the power from the
fusing deuterium tritium pellets, and ever if they did, the efficiency of the
lasers is so obsurdly low, that I doubt this Laser fusion will ever be
practicle. By contrast, ITER, keeps the fusion plasma at constant temperature,
it has much more chance of extracting useful work out of the fusion process.
<p>
---
</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/Fusion/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">Fusion</a> [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well to NIF , looks like there 'll get there pellets to fuse , as orders .
However that does n't mean this will be a practicle power source .
They have made no effort to construct something that can extract the power from the fusing deuterium tritium pellets , and ever if they did , the efficiency of the lasers is so obsurdly low , that I doubt this Laser fusion will ever be practicle .
By contrast , ITER , keeps the fusion plasma at constant temperature , it has much more chance of extracting useful work out of the fusion process .
--- Fusion [ feeddistiller.com ] Feed @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well to NIF, looks like there'll get there pellets to fuse, as orders.
However
that doesn't mean this will be a practicle power source.
They have made
no effort to construct something that can extract the power from the
fusing deuterium tritium pellets, and ever if they did, the efficiency of the
lasers is so obsurdly low, that I doubt this Laser fusion will ever be
practicle.
By contrast, ITER, keeps the fusion plasma at constant temperature,
it has much more chance of extracting useful work out of the fusion process.
---

Fusion [feeddistiller.com] Feed @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951696</id>
	<title>Re:Within a Year? Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264789200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Laser fusion experiment exists  to do nuclear testing without technically violating nuclear test treaty obligations.

The primary goal **IS NOT** the production of a commercially viable fusion reactor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Laser fusion experiment exists to do nuclear testing without technically violating nuclear test treaty obligations .
The primary goal * * IS NOT * * the production of a commercially viable fusion reactor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Laser fusion experiment exists  to do nuclear testing without technically violating nuclear test treaty obligations.
The primary goal **IS NOT** the production of a commercially viable fusion reactor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951750</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>wurp</author>
	<datestamp>1264789440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regarding your "just need seawater" comment - it looks as if this experiment will use tritium for the version that's expected to achieve fusion.</p><p>You can get tritium from seawater, but it's fantastically expensive.</p><p>That is not to denigrate this result.  It's still very exciting, and might even be cost effective, but tritium is so expensive that a few grams per day might cost too much to make a fusion plant make sense.</p><p>(From a cursory web search it looks as if a gram of tritium costs on the order of $100,000 US.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regarding your " just need seawater " comment - it looks as if this experiment will use tritium for the version that 's expected to achieve fusion.You can get tritium from seawater , but it 's fantastically expensive.That is not to denigrate this result .
It 's still very exciting , and might even be cost effective , but tritium is so expensive that a few grams per day might cost too much to make a fusion plant make sense .
( From a cursory web search it looks as if a gram of tritium costs on the order of $ 100,000 US .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regarding your "just need seawater" comment - it looks as if this experiment will use tritium for the version that's expected to achieve fusion.You can get tritium from seawater, but it's fantastically expensive.That is not to denigrate this result.
It's still very exciting, and might even be cost effective, but tritium is so expensive that a few grams per day might cost too much to make a fusion plant make sense.
(From a cursory web search it looks as if a gram of tritium costs on the order of $100,000 US.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953250</id>
	<title>O deer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>tHIS REALly sounds like the plot to Spiderman 2.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>tHIS REALly sounds like the plot to Spiderman 2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tHIS REALly sounds like the plot to Spiderman 2.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950226</id>
	<title>Re:Please calm down...</title>
	<author>plague911</author>
	<datestamp>1264784100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... They all do... As someone who has done some work with tokamaks sure we should be able to break even with energy. But honestly people have no idea when they would break even financially with other tech... If ever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants .
" ... They all do... As someone who has done some work with tokamaks sure we should be able to break even with energy .
But honestly people have no idea when they would break even financially with other tech... If ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Laser mechanisms have a longer way to go in order to be credible fusion power plants.
" ... They all do... As someone who has done some work with tokamaks sure we should be able to break even with energy.
But honestly people have no idea when they would break even financially with other tech... If ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30955832</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1264763100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources: you just need sea water.</p></div><p>The prospect of moving from a 'geopolitical fuel' to a non-geopolitical one itself has geopolitical implications. Buggy whip manufacturers aren't going to take this lying down, and neither are oil-rich monarchies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources : you just need sea water.The prospect of moving from a 'geopolitical fuel ' to a non-geopolitical one itself has geopolitical implications .
Buggy whip manufacturers are n't going to take this lying down , and neither are oil-rich monarchies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources: you just need sea water.The prospect of moving from a 'geopolitical fuel' to a non-geopolitical one itself has geopolitical implications.
Buggy whip manufacturers aren't going to take this lying down, and neither are oil-rich monarchies.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949428</id>
	<title>fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264780860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but its low powered and has quick half-lives. additionally, there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources: you just need sea water. no climate changing pollution/ city-choking smog for that matter. no peak oil this or that, no bubbles and spikes in supply or pricing</p><p>additionally, if everyone had electric cars, there would be no petrodollars funding saudi arabia, a backwards fundamentalist regime that funds wahhabi madrassas in places like pakistan, that give rise to all of these well-funded (from saudi "charities") militant assholes in the muslim world</p><p>no funding of gas bag chavez in venezuela, no funding of neoimperial russia and putin, no funding for nigerian graft and corruption...</p><p>it will take a long time, but if we can remove the reason for the world to have any vested interests in backwards regimes, propping them up and preserving them unnaturally, and we instead let these regimes instead rise and fall on their own intrinsic value in governing fair societies, then we will have taken a mighty step forward in terms of progress in this world</p><p>of course, it will be decades before we're all driving electric cars powered by fusion plants. but one can dream, cant' they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but its low powered and has quick half-lives .
additionally , there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources : you just need sea water .
no climate changing pollution/ city-choking smog for that matter .
no peak oil this or that , no bubbles and spikes in supply or pricingadditionally , if everyone had electric cars , there would be no petrodollars funding saudi arabia , a backwards fundamentalist regime that funds wahhabi madrassas in places like pakistan , that give rise to all of these well-funded ( from saudi " charities " ) militant assholes in the muslim worldno funding of gas bag chavez in venezuela , no funding of neoimperial russia and putin , no funding for nigerian graft and corruption...it will take a long time , but if we can remove the reason for the world to have any vested interests in backwards regimes , propping them up and preserving them unnaturally , and we instead let these regimes instead rise and fall on their own intrinsic value in governing fair societies , then we will have taken a mighty step forward in terms of progress in this worldof course , it will be decades before we 're all driving electric cars powered by fusion plants .
but one can dream , cant ' they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but its low powered and has quick half-lives.
additionally, there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources: you just need sea water.
no climate changing pollution/ city-choking smog for that matter.
no peak oil this or that, no bubbles and spikes in supply or pricingadditionally, if everyone had electric cars, there would be no petrodollars funding saudi arabia, a backwards fundamentalist regime that funds wahhabi madrassas in places like pakistan, that give rise to all of these well-funded (from saudi "charities") militant assholes in the muslim worldno funding of gas bag chavez in venezuela, no funding of neoimperial russia and putin, no funding for nigerian graft and corruption...it will take a long time, but if we can remove the reason for the world to have any vested interests in backwards regimes, propping them up and preserving them unnaturally, and we instead let these regimes instead rise and fall on their own intrinsic value in governing fair societies, then we will have taken a mighty step forward in terms of progress in this worldof course, it will be decades before we're all driving electric cars powered by fusion plants.
but one can dream, cant' they?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951880</id>
	<title>Re:Trying to source a quote</title>
	<author>imakemusic</author>
	<datestamp>1264789920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>you can't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION, then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.</p></div><p>Of course not. The basket would catch fire.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>you ca n't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION , then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.Of course not .
The basket would catch fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION, then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.Of course not.
The basket would catch fire.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949596</id>
	<title>Lasers?</title>
	<author>RealErmine</author>
	<datestamp>1264781640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why aren't they using an array of neural-network-controlled, articulated metal arms to control the fusion chamber?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are n't they using an array of neural-network-controlled , articulated metal arms to control the fusion chamber ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why aren't they using an array of neural-network-controlled, articulated metal arms to control the fusion chamber?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950620</id>
	<title>Re:Lasers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264785600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Duh!  You've seen that documentary, haven't you?  The one where that poor doctor guy had these neural-network-controlled-articulated-metal arms that went crazy!  Luckily there was this awkward-nerdy kid wearing tights who lived in his aunt's attic (yes, an upgrade to your mother's basement) who was able to calm the doctor guy down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh !
You 've seen that documentary , have n't you ?
The one where that poor doctor guy had these neural-network-controlled-articulated-metal arms that went crazy !
Luckily there was this awkward-nerdy kid wearing tights who lived in his aunt 's attic ( yes , an upgrade to your mother 's basement ) who was able to calm the doctor guy down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh!
You've seen that documentary, haven't you?
The one where that poor doctor guy had these neural-network-controlled-articulated-metal arms that went crazy!
Luckily there was this awkward-nerdy kid wearing tights who lived in his aunt's attic (yes, an upgrade to your mother's basement) who was able to calm the doctor guy down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949246</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264780080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 5 years I can have Mr. Fusion where I can put junk to power my flying car...<br>Sweet.</p><p>I just hope that fax machines don't come back into style and have multiple for every house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 5 years I can have Mr. Fusion where I can put junk to power my flying car...Sweet.I just hope that fax machines do n't come back into style and have multiple for every house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 5 years I can have Mr. Fusion where I can put junk to power my flying car...Sweet.I just hope that fax machines don't come back into style and have multiple for every house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949736</id>
	<title>Re:Within a Year? Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>nitehawk214</author>
	<datestamp>1264782180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you are describing is Frank Herbert's:  <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CAsQFjAA&amp;url=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fen.wikipedia.org\%2Fwiki\%2FThe\_Tactful\_Saboteur&amp;ei=MP1iS4\_cAY3S8AbLiIGSAw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFaTd68lJJvcsIaRYuVvfNOCGLH9g&amp;sig2=Z3dQv0avm3YETiWBlacWjA" title="google.com">The Tactful Saboteur.</a> [google.com] An excellent short story.</p><p>In Lieu of Red Tape</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you are describing is Frank Herbert 's : The Tactful Saboteur .
[ google.com ] An excellent short story.In Lieu of Red Tape</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you are describing is Frank Herbert's:  The Tactful Saboteur.
[google.com] An excellent short story.In Lieu of Red Tape</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949558</id>
	<title>Re:Within a Year? Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>gmueckl</author>
	<datestamp>1264781460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My interpretation is simply that they want to reach the density and temperature required to start fusion within the plasma. This only means that the fusion reaction is starting to happen. Only after that can one start to ask the interesting questions (can enough energy be extracted to have a net surplus? can the energy output be improved? is this economically viable?). So they aren't done for several years yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My interpretation is simply that they want to reach the density and temperature required to start fusion within the plasma .
This only means that the fusion reaction is starting to happen .
Only after that can one start to ask the interesting questions ( can enough energy be extracted to have a net surplus ?
can the energy output be improved ?
is this economically viable ? ) .
So they are n't done for several years yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My interpretation is simply that they want to reach the density and temperature required to start fusion within the plasma.
This only means that the fusion reaction is starting to happen.
Only after that can one start to ask the interesting questions (can enough energy be extracted to have a net surplus?
can the energy output be improved?
is this economically viable?).
So they aren't done for several years yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949758</id>
	<title>Re:Pocket Fusion for everyone,,,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264782300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>...your 300mW pocket laser pointer popping balloons &amp; <b>burning wood</b>.</i></p><p>You're supposed to take it out of your pocket before using it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...your 300mW pocket laser pointer popping balloons &amp; burning wood.You 're supposed to take it out of your pocket before using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...your 300mW pocket laser pointer popping balloons &amp; burning wood.You're supposed to take it out of your pocket before using it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952130</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264790760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So the byproducts are Helium-4</p></div></blockquote><p>Ah-ha!  The real reason for this is to sell more balloons for children's parties.</p><p>I'm on to you...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So the byproducts are Helium-4Ah-ha !
The real reason for this is to sell more balloons for children 's parties.I 'm on to you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the byproducts are Helium-4Ah-ha!
The real reason for this is to sell more balloons for children's parties.I'm on to you...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950040</id>
	<title>That's alot of sardines...</title>
	<author>archer, the</author>
	<datestamp>1264783440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't want to be the guy feeding the 192 sharks. I'd want to be paid an arm and a leg in advance. Literally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't want to be the guy feeding the 192 sharks .
I 'd want to be paid an arm and a leg in advance .
Literally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't want to be the guy feeding the 192 sharks.
I'd want to be paid an arm and a leg in advance.
Literally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949622</id>
	<title>National Ignition Facility?</title>
	<author>lxs</author>
	<datestamp>1264781760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure it's wise to ignite your nation?</p><p>I'm glad that there's plenty of water between me and the nation in question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure it 's wise to ignite your nation ? I 'm glad that there 's plenty of water between me and the nation in question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure it's wise to ignite your nation?I'm glad that there's plenty of water between me and the nation in question.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951684</id>
	<title>Yeah !</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1264789200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds NIFty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds NIFty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds NIFty.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949454</id>
	<title>'It's going to happen this year.'"</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1264780920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK...let's see...then going by current trends, its manufacture should be offshored in 2012.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK...let 's see...then going by current trends , its manufacture should be offshored in 2012 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK...let's see...then going by current trends, its manufacture should be offshored in 2012.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950228</id>
	<title>Re:National Ignition Facility?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264784100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We didn't start the fire<br>It was always burnin<br>since the world's been turnin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We did n't start the fireIt was always burninsince the world 's been turnin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We didn't start the fireIt was always burninsince the world's been turnin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949776</id>
	<title>Not twenty years out</title>
	<author>oloron</author>
	<datestamp>1264782360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>c'mon read the fine(?) article, the guy says its going to happen this year, so at most that means about 5 years, not twenty, c'mon he didnt say first quarter next year did he? I could see 20yrs then</htmltext>
<tokenext>c'mon read the fine ( ?
) article , the guy says its going to happen this year , so at most that means about 5 years , not twenty , c'mon he didnt say first quarter next year did he ?
I could see 20yrs then</tokentext>
<sentencetext>c'mon read the fine(?
) article, the guy says its going to happen this year, so at most that means about 5 years, not twenty, c'mon he didnt say first quarter next year did he?
I could see 20yrs then</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951396</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>FreakyGreenLeaky</author>
	<datestamp>1264788300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>fuckin-a</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>fuckin-a</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fuckin-a</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30960150</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>inKubus</author>
	<datestamp>1264882920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly, they need to find a fuel or fuel package (tuned carbon lattice) that will release/convert most of the energy in the microwave range, then just use a big inductor around or near the reactor to pipe it right out as electrons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , they need to find a fuel or fuel package ( tuned carbon lattice ) that will release/convert most of the energy in the microwave range , then just use a big inductor around or near the reactor to pipe it right out as electrons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, they need to find a fuel or fuel package (tuned carbon lattice) that will release/convert most of the energy in the microwave range, then just use a big inductor around or near the reactor to pipe it right out as electrons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952386</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>dbkluck</author>
	<datestamp>1264791660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems to me we've already developed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen\_bomb" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">a fusion reactor</a> [wikipedia.org] capable of solving the problems you mention with Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, and Russia...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me we 've already developed a fusion reactor [ wikipedia.org ] capable of solving the problems you mention with Saudia Arabia , Venezuela , and Russia.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me we've already developed a fusion reactor [wikipedia.org] capable of solving the problems you mention with Saudia Arabia, Venezuela, and Russia...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949556</id>
	<title>Brilliant!</title>
	<author>jaguth</author>
	<datestamp>1264781400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Soon there will be enough energy to power my Dual SLI GeForce 9800 GX2!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Soon there will be enough energy to power my Dual SLI GeForce 9800 GX2 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soon there will be enough energy to power my Dual SLI GeForce 9800 GX2!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951748</id>
	<title>Re:"just need sea water"</title>
	<author>Shompol</author>
	<datestamp>1264789440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sci-fi comedy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza</a> [wikipedia.org]! <br>is about a planet where they learned to turn water into energy... and now the planet is 100\% desert.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sci-fi comedy http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza [ wikipedia.org ] !
is about a planet where they learned to turn water into energy... and now the planet is 100 \ % desert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sci-fi comedy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kin-dza-dza [wikipedia.org]!
is about a planet where they learned to turn water into energy... and now the planet is 100\% desert.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953202</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>eth1</author>
	<datestamp>1264794960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it just means that in a few years we'll reach peak seawater and start funding all the corrupt regimes that have still have good beach reserves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it just means that in a few years we 'll reach peak seawater and start funding all the corrupt regimes that have still have good beach reserves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it just means that in a few years we'll reach peak seawater and start funding all the corrupt regimes that have still have good beach reserves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950306</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264784400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And can it sustain power generation?</p></div><p>You're talking about zapping a very small, supercooled, gold-uranium alloy target with a beryllium sphere containing about 1mg of DT fuel, about 10 times a second.</p><p>Have a thought experiment about the engineering involved</p><ul><li>Producing the "ammunition" - bear in mind that tritium is one of the rarest and most expensive substances on earth[1]</li><li>Positioning it and aligning it - ten times a second</li><li>Charging and firing the most powerful laser array on earth - ten times a second</li><li>Somehow removing the heat from the reactor vessel without impeding the laser paths</li></ul><p><div class="quote"><p>what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce?</p></div><p>DT fusion produces fast neutrons, so some. You're looking at much shorter half-lives ; the reactor core will have the same activity as coal ash after about 300 years.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account?</p></div><p>ITER is a totally different design, so no. I think ITER is a far more credible design than laser-fusion, given that the engineering challenges seem some orders of magnitude easier.</p><p>NIF is just a testbed for nuclear fusion, without the inconveniently illegal use of real nuclear weapons.</p><p>[1]</p><p>If you're firing at 1mg of fuel, by mass, 3/5 of it is Tritium or 0.6mg so  (60 * 60 * 24) seconds in day * 10 per second * 0.0006 g  = 518.4 g of tritium per day.</p><p>The total production in the USA between 1955 and 1996 was 225kg ; the stockpile in 1996 stood at 75kg</p></div>
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<tokenext>And can it sustain power generation ? You 're talking about zapping a very small , supercooled , gold-uranium alloy target with a beryllium sphere containing about 1mg of DT fuel , about 10 times a second.Have a thought experiment about the engineering involvedProducing the " ammunition " - bear in mind that tritium is one of the rarest and most expensive substances on earth [ 1 ] Positioning it and aligning it - ten times a secondCharging and firing the most powerful laser array on earth - ten times a secondSomehow removing the heat from the reactor vessel without impeding the laser pathswhat quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce ? DT fusion produces fast neutrons , so some .
You 're looking at much shorter half-lives ; the reactor core will have the same activity as coal ash after about 300 years.And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account ? ITER is a totally different design , so no .
I think ITER is a far more credible design than laser-fusion , given that the engineering challenges seem some orders of magnitude easier.NIF is just a testbed for nuclear fusion , without the inconveniently illegal use of real nuclear weapons .
[ 1 ] If you 're firing at 1mg of fuel , by mass , 3/5 of it is Tritium or 0.6mg so ( 60 * 60 * 24 ) seconds in day * 10 per second * 0.0006 g = 518.4 g of tritium per day.The total production in the USA between 1955 and 1996 was 225kg ; the stockpile in 1996 stood at 75kg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And can it sustain power generation?You're talking about zapping a very small, supercooled, gold-uranium alloy target with a beryllium sphere containing about 1mg of DT fuel, about 10 times a second.Have a thought experiment about the engineering involvedProducing the "ammunition" - bear in mind that tritium is one of the rarest and most expensive substances on earth[1]Positioning it and aligning it - ten times a secondCharging and firing the most powerful laser array on earth - ten times a secondSomehow removing the heat from the reactor vessel without impeding the laser pathswhat quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce?DT fusion produces fast neutrons, so some.
You're looking at much shorter half-lives ; the reactor core will have the same activity as coal ash after about 300 years.And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account?ITER is a totally different design, so no.
I think ITER is a far more credible design than laser-fusion, given that the engineering challenges seem some orders of magnitude easier.NIF is just a testbed for nuclear fusion, without the inconveniently illegal use of real nuclear weapons.
[1]If you're firing at 1mg of fuel, by mass, 3/5 of it is Tritium or 0.6mg so  (60 * 60 * 24) seconds in day * 10 per second * 0.0006 g  = 518.4 g of tritium per day.The total production in the USA between 1955 and 1996 was 225kg ; the stockpile in 1996 stood at 75kg
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949996</id>
	<title>Re:This is wonderful!</title>
	<author>Seth Kriticos</author>
	<datestamp>1264783320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really pity the first person who gets fusion to work for energy:</p><p>"Hey Bob, fusion energy here."<br>"Yea Benny, I know, in ten years. I know that one.."<br>"No, here, just made it work. See: fusion here in my ignition facility. Energy output meter shows lot's of power. I made it!!"<br>"You actually realize that you effectively destroyed a years old meme in the Internet? FUCK YOU!"<br>"..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really pity the first person who gets fusion to work for energy : " Hey Bob , fusion energy here .
" " Yea Benny , I know , in ten years .
I know that one.. " " No , here , just made it work .
See : fusion here in my ignition facility .
Energy output meter shows lot 's of power .
I made it ! !
" " You actually realize that you effectively destroyed a years old meme in the Internet ?
FUCK YOU ! " " .. .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really pity the first person who gets fusion to work for energy:"Hey Bob, fusion energy here.
""Yea Benny, I know, in ten years.
I know that one..""No, here, just made it work.
See: fusion here in my ignition facility.
Energy output meter shows lot's of power.
I made it!!
""You actually realize that you effectively destroyed a years old meme in the Internet?
FUCK YOU!""...
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30959764</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>damasterwc</author>
	<datestamp>1264791120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that's where He3 comes in... directly converts to energy and we'll experience a leap in efficiency as a consequence. somebody please explain to our idiot-in-chief not to cancel constellation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's where He3 comes in... directly converts to energy and we 'll experience a leap in efficiency as a consequence .
somebody please explain to our idiot-in-chief not to cancel constellation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's where He3 comes in... directly converts to energy and we'll experience a leap in efficiency as a consequence.
somebody please explain to our idiot-in-chief not to cancel constellation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950118</id>
	<title>So when, when?</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1264783740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When will I be able to walk into Walmart and buy my very own light-saber, is what I want to know!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will I be able to walk into Walmart and buy my very own light-saber , is what I want to know !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will I be able to walk into Walmart and buy my very own light-saber, is what I want to know!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950940</id>
	<title>Can someone please explain...</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1264786680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How is this better than taking direct (solar panels and mirror arrays) and indirect advantage of that local fusion reactor, the sun? While fusion is high tech and cool and all that, we can still make a *lot* of power by damming thousands of smaller rivers and putting in mid size hydroelectric plants. No new technology is needed, and ecological concerns can be addressed by diverting only part of the water to a manmade channel and not touching the original riverbed.</p><p>So yes, fusion is neat, but I think it's kind of dumb as cost effective engineering solutions go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this better than taking direct ( solar panels and mirror arrays ) and indirect advantage of that local fusion reactor , the sun ?
While fusion is high tech and cool and all that , we can still make a * lot * of power by damming thousands of smaller rivers and putting in mid size hydroelectric plants .
No new technology is needed , and ecological concerns can be addressed by diverting only part of the water to a manmade channel and not touching the original riverbed.So yes , fusion is neat , but I think it 's kind of dumb as cost effective engineering solutions go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this better than taking direct (solar panels and mirror arrays) and indirect advantage of that local fusion reactor, the sun?
While fusion is high tech and cool and all that, we can still make a *lot* of power by damming thousands of smaller rivers and putting in mid size hydroelectric plants.
No new technology is needed, and ecological concerns can be addressed by diverting only part of the water to a manmade channel and not touching the original riverbed.So yes, fusion is neat, but I think it's kind of dumb as cost effective engineering solutions go.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949648</id>
	<title>Re:Within a Year? Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1264781820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Note he is just saying they should start hydrogen burn this year. The 20 years thing is for economically viable fusion power plants- this research helps bring us closer to that but 20 years would still be optimistic. This announcement is like the LHC saying they'll be running the beam at full power by the end of the year (but without the bad track record for the equipment)- you seem to treat it similar to CERN saying they will find the Higgs by the end of the year. His prediction sounds reasonable enough to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Note he is just saying they should start hydrogen burn this year .
The 20 years thing is for economically viable fusion power plants- this research helps bring us closer to that but 20 years would still be optimistic .
This announcement is like the LHC saying they 'll be running the beam at full power by the end of the year ( but without the bad track record for the equipment ) - you seem to treat it similar to CERN saying they will find the Higgs by the end of the year .
His prediction sounds reasonable enough to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note he is just saying they should start hydrogen burn this year.
The 20 years thing is for economically viable fusion power plants- this research helps bring us closer to that but 20 years would still be optimistic.
This announcement is like the LHC saying they'll be running the beam at full power by the end of the year (but without the bad track record for the equipment)- you seem to treat it similar to CERN saying they will find the Higgs by the end of the year.
His prediction sounds reasonable enough to me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950664</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic Four</title>
	<author>The End Of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1264785780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was no truth in that scene, the human torch doesn't really exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was no truth in that scene , the human torch does n't really exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was no truth in that scene, the human torch doesn't really exist.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30953004</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264794180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but if we can remove the reason for the world to have any vested interests in backwards regimes, propping them up and preserving them unnaturally, and we instead let these regimes instead rise and fall on their own intrinsic value in governing fair societies, then we will have taken a mighty step forward in terms of progress in this world...</p></div><p>You forget that having enemies like that provides a great excuse for funding a huge, enormously profitable defense industry. That in itself is a reason they will be kept going or something will be found to replace them...</p></div>
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<tokenext>...but if we can remove the reason for the world to have any vested interests in backwards regimes , propping them up and preserving them unnaturally , and we instead let these regimes instead rise and fall on their own intrinsic value in governing fair societies , then we will have taken a mighty step forward in terms of progress in this world...You forget that having enemies like that provides a great excuse for funding a huge , enormously profitable defense industry .
That in itself is a reason they will be kept going or something will be found to replace them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...but if we can remove the reason for the world to have any vested interests in backwards regimes, propping them up and preserving them unnaturally, and we instead let these regimes instead rise and fall on their own intrinsic value in governing fair societies, then we will have taken a mighty step forward in terms of progress in this world...You forget that having enemies like that provides a great excuse for funding a huge, enormously profitable defense industry.
That in itself is a reason they will be kept going or something will be found to replace them...
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	<title>Sharks</title>
	<author>mfh</author>
	<datestamp>1264784940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With frickin' fusion lasers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With frickin ' fusion lasers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With frickin' fusion lasers!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952512</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264792200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Hydrogen-Dueterium-Tritium</i> fusion has radioactive waste, the worst part being the neutrons produced which carry away a significant fraction of the energy and induce radioactivity in the materials of the reactor.</p><p><i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic\_fusion" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Boron-11</a> [wikipedia.org] </i> fusion, on the other hand, produces alpha particles which can straightforwardly have their momentum converted into electrical power (at which point they're just Helium ions), and looses very little energy in the form of neutrons.</p><p>However, even if we had deploy-able fusion technology <i>right now</i>, that's not going to get us away from oil and to electric cars.   The problem is batteries, there is nothing in the pipeline with the energy density and low cost needed to make electric cars more than a niche product.</p><p>But we could reduce our dependence on <i>foreign</i> oil, if we were willing to develop more of our own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hydrogen-Dueterium-Tritium fusion has radioactive waste , the worst part being the neutrons produced which carry away a significant fraction of the energy and induce radioactivity in the materials of the reactor .
Boron-11 [ wikipedia.org ] fusion , on the other hand , produces alpha particles which can straightforwardly have their momentum converted into electrical power ( at which point they 're just Helium ions ) , and looses very little energy in the form of neutrons.However , even if we had deploy-able fusion technology right now , that 's not going to get us away from oil and to electric cars .
The problem is batteries , there is nothing in the pipeline with the energy density and low cost needed to make electric cars more than a niche product.But we could reduce our dependence on foreign oil , if we were willing to develop more of our own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hydrogen-Dueterium-Tritium fusion has radioactive waste, the worst part being the neutrons produced which carry away a significant fraction of the energy and induce radioactivity in the materials of the reactor.
Boron-11 [wikipedia.org]  fusion, on the other hand, produces alpha particles which can straightforwardly have their momentum converted into electrical power (at which point they're just Helium ions), and looses very little energy in the form of neutrons.However, even if we had deploy-able fusion technology right now, that's not going to get us away from oil and to electric cars.
The problem is batteries, there is nothing in the pipeline with the energy density and low cost needed to make electric cars more than a niche product.But we could reduce our dependence on foreign oil, if we were willing to develop more of our own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950908</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264786560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>but its low powered and has quick half-lives. additionally, there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources: you just need sea water.</p> </div><p>Except somewhere in the article (or perhaps a related one) it said they use deuterium and tritium, and, IIRC, the latter they obtained from lithium.</p></div>
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<tokenext>but its low powered and has quick half-lives .
additionally , there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources : you just need sea water .
Except somewhere in the article ( or perhaps a related one ) it said they use deuterium and tritium , and , IIRC , the latter they obtained from lithium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but its low powered and has quick half-lives.
additionally, there are no geopolitical overtones concerning fuel sources: you just need sea water.
Except somewhere in the article (or perhaps a related one) it said they use deuterium and tritium, and, IIRC, the latter they obtained from lithium.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951180</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Starlet Monroe</author>
	<datestamp>1264787580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't strictly true.  While the fusion reaction itself doesn't leave long-lived radionuclides that have to be disposed of, the fusion process generates neutrons with such high energy -- much higher than in a fission reaction -- that the shielding itself becomes activated.  Additionally, since the interior of the reactor is exposed to such high flux, it degrades and has to be replaced.  These both result in radioactive waste that have to be dealt with.  Most of what I've read suggests that, indeed, the half-lives of most of the materials created this way are very much shorter than the waste that comes out of the non-reprocessed fission reactors in the U.S.A., but it's not negligible.</p><p>IAAHP (I Am A Health Physicist)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't strictly true .
While the fusion reaction itself does n't leave long-lived radionuclides that have to be disposed of , the fusion process generates neutrons with such high energy -- much higher than in a fission reaction -- that the shielding itself becomes activated .
Additionally , since the interior of the reactor is exposed to such high flux , it degrades and has to be replaced .
These both result in radioactive waste that have to be dealt with .
Most of what I 've read suggests that , indeed , the half-lives of most of the materials created this way are very much shorter than the waste that comes out of the non-reprocessed fission reactors in the U.S.A. , but it 's not negligible.IAAHP ( I Am A Health Physicist )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't strictly true.
While the fusion reaction itself doesn't leave long-lived radionuclides that have to be disposed of, the fusion process generates neutrons with such high energy -- much higher than in a fission reaction -- that the shielding itself becomes activated.
Additionally, since the interior of the reactor is exposed to such high flux, it degrades and has to be replaced.
These both result in radioactive waste that have to be dealt with.
Most of what I've read suggests that, indeed, the half-lives of most of the materials created this way are very much shorter than the waste that comes out of the non-reprocessed fission reactors in the U.S.A., but it's not negligible.IAAHP (I Am A Health Physicist)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30952294</id>
	<title>Re:Within a Year? Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1264791300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine someone who said 15-20 years in 1995. They aren't even wrong yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine someone who said 15-20 years in 1995 .
They are n't even wrong yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine someone who said 15-20 years in 1995.
They aren't even wrong yet.</sentencetext>
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	<title>help!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264780500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cool story guys.  I tweeted and poked it but most of all I digg it.  Why isn't there a digg button?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool story guys .
I tweeted and poked it but most of all I digg it .
Why is n't there a digg button ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool story guys.
I tweeted and poked it but most of all I digg it.
Why isn't there a digg button?</sentencetext>
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	<title>As one doctor to another, freaking wonderful!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264781820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The project lead, Dr. Sigfried Glenzer, is "confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon. He added, quite simply, 'It's going to happen this year."</p></div><p>That's freaking wonderful news, Siggy! I have the sharks ready, just bring the freakin lasers and let's burn this joint! *evil pinky smile*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The project lead , Dr. Sigfried Glenzer , is " confident that with everything in place , ignition is on the horizon .
He added , quite simply , 'It 's going to happen this year .
" That 's freaking wonderful news , Siggy !
I have the sharks ready , just bring the freakin lasers and let 's burn this joint !
* evil pinky smile *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The project lead, Dr. Sigfried Glenzer, is "confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon.
He added, quite simply, 'It's going to happen this year.
"That's freaking wonderful news, Siggy!
I have the sharks ready, just bring the freakin lasers and let's burn this joint!
*evil pinky smile*
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949750</id>
	<title>Trying to source a quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264782300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>.. which said that it was never that fusion was 50 years away, but that it was 500 billion dollars away.  The fifty years was just an estimate based on how much funding, brainpower, and so forth went into it.  Let's face it, you can't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION, then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.</p><p>We have not spent the large amounts of money required to do the research.  When we do, it's in fits and starts, buffeted by people with ecodread and slavered over by those in the DOD who lust for some new level of destruction.  It's always been easy to just<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... drill another well.  Blow up another mountaintop for coal that they assure us will be clean, this time around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.. which said that it was never that fusion was 50 years away , but that it was 500 billion dollars away .
The fifty years was just an estimate based on how much funding , brainpower , and so forth went into it .
Let 's face it , you ca n't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION , then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.We have not spent the large amounts of money required to do the research .
When we do , it 's in fits and starts , buffeted by people with ecodread and slavered over by those in the DOD who lust for some new level of destruction .
It 's always been easy to just ... drill another well .
Blow up another mountaintop for coal that they assure us will be clean , this time around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. which said that it was never that fusion was 50 years away, but that it was 500 billion dollars away.
The fifty years was just an estimate based on how much funding, brainpower, and so forth went into it.
Let's face it, you can't just put a basket in a storage locker with a placard atop it reading FUSION, then come back in fifty years and expect to find something in the basket.We have not spent the large amounts of money required to do the research.
When we do, it's in fits and starts, buffeted by people with ecodread and slavered over by those in the DOD who lust for some new level of destruction.
It's always been easy to just ... drill another well.
Blow up another mountaintop for coal that they assure us will be clean, this time around.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949614</id>
	<title>Re:Within a Year? Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1264781760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The more I read your comment, the less I can tell whether you're mocking a silly conspiracy or trying to create one.  But either way, even with a successful ignition tomorrow, I'm sure it would still take 15 years or more to get electricity from it onto the grid.  Even building a fission reactor with a proven design takes about that long in the US.  But besides just working, fusion would have to produce more energy than it consumes, it has to be scaled up to a significant output, and then the price has to come way, way down... even as low as simply digging up and burning coal (unless we start accounting for the future costs of doing that which doesn't seem to be happening).
<p>
But don't get me wrong, I am amazed at this.  And if (earth-bound) fusion becomes a workable energy source, I think it would have the biggest practical impact of any Big Science program, ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more I read your comment , the less I can tell whether you 're mocking a silly conspiracy or trying to create one .
But either way , even with a successful ignition tomorrow , I 'm sure it would still take 15 years or more to get electricity from it onto the grid .
Even building a fission reactor with a proven design takes about that long in the US .
But besides just working , fusion would have to produce more energy than it consumes , it has to be scaled up to a significant output , and then the price has to come way , way down... even as low as simply digging up and burning coal ( unless we start accounting for the future costs of doing that which does n't seem to be happening ) .
But do n't get me wrong , I am amazed at this .
And if ( earth-bound ) fusion becomes a workable energy source , I think it would have the biggest practical impact of any Big Science program , ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more I read your comment, the less I can tell whether you're mocking a silly conspiracy or trying to create one.
But either way, even with a successful ignition tomorrow, I'm sure it would still take 15 years or more to get electricity from it onto the grid.
Even building a fission reactor with a proven design takes about that long in the US.
But besides just working, fusion would have to produce more energy than it consumes, it has to be scaled up to a significant output, and then the price has to come way, way down... even as low as simply digging up and burning coal (unless we start accounting for the future costs of doing that which doesn't seem to be happening).
But don't get me wrong, I am amazed at this.
And if (earth-bound) fusion becomes a workable energy source, I think it would have the biggest practical impact of any Big Science program, ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951844</id>
	<title>Re:Lasers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264789800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they know what happened to the last guy that tried it that way.  Some experiments you don't replicate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they know what happened to the last guy that tried it that way .
Some experiments you do n't replicate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they know what happened to the last guy that tried it that way.
Some experiments you don't replicate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949530</id>
	<title>Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264781280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, Fusion within 2010. Great.</p><p>The question now becomes: will this generate more energy than it takes? And can it sustain power generation?</p><p>And, let's admit everything works: what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce? And of what type?</p><p>Don't give me the "it's fusion, so it's clean, duh" line: this machine is going to generate an enormous amount of energy and a lot of that will in the form of a "carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion" (BBC dixit) -- which means radiation, which also means neutrons. And neutrons are not really good for your health.</p><p>And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account? Will the EU combine HiPER (high-energy laser projects) and ITER? Will the USA share its latest discovery with its ITER partners?</p><p>Questions, questions, questions...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , Fusion within 2010 .
Great.The question now becomes : will this generate more energy than it takes ?
And can it sustain power generation ? And , let 's admit everything works : what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce ?
And of what type ? Do n't give me the " it 's fusion , so it 's clean , duh " line : this machine is going to generate an enormous amount of energy and a lot of that will in the form of a " carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion " ( BBC dixit ) -- which means radiation , which also means neutrons .
And neutrons are not really good for your health.And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account ?
Will the EU combine HiPER ( high-energy laser projects ) and ITER ?
Will the USA share its latest discovery with its ITER partners ? Questions , questions , questions.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, Fusion within 2010.
Great.The question now becomes: will this generate more energy than it takes?
And can it sustain power generation?And, let's admit everything works: what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce?
And of what type?Don't give me the "it's fusion, so it's clean, duh" line: this machine is going to generate an enormous amount of energy and a lot of that will in the form of a "carefully controlled thermonuclear explosion" (BBC dixit) -- which means radiation, which also means neutrons.
And neutrons are not really good for your health.And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account?
Will the EU combine HiPER (high-energy laser projects) and ITER?
Will the USA share its latest discovery with its ITER partners?Questions, questions, questions...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30956334</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1264765080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition to the radiation issues addressed by the other poster, you're also wrong about oil.  If we could wave a magic wand and make all IC automobiles vanish while we slept, we'd wake up in a world still dependent on oil for many things - plastics, lubricants, chemical feed stocks for thousands of industrial processes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to the radiation issues addressed by the other poster , you 're also wrong about oil .
If we could wave a magic wand and make all IC automobiles vanish while we slept , we 'd wake up in a world still dependent on oil for many things - plastics , lubricants , chemical feed stocks for thousands of industrial processes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to the radiation issues addressed by the other poster, you're also wrong about oil.
If we could wave a magic wand and make all IC automobiles vanish while we slept, we'd wake up in a world still dependent on oil for many things - plastics, lubricants, chemical feed stocks for thousands of industrial processes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949666</id>
	<title>Bullshit until it's peer reviewed</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1264781940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My house, Saturday night.  Bring Your Own Bottle and Laser Pointer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My house , Saturday night .
Bring Your Own Bottle and Laser Pointer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My house, Saturday night.
Bring Your Own Bottle and Laser Pointer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950220</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but is it REALLY working?</title>
	<author>wrenchy</author>
	<datestamp>1264784100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question now becomes: will this generate more energy than it takes? And can it sustain power generation?</p><p>

Ignition is the condition whereby more energy is generated than was required in the first place. This is the goal NIF are aiming for and, by all accounts, will achieve in the next couple of years. The big problems come in trying to scale this up to a commercially viable power plant. Currently, the targets used in NIF cost ~$1000 each, and for a power plant ten are required every second.

</p><p>And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account? Will the EU combine HiPER (high-energy laser projects) and ITER? Will the USA share its latest discovery with its ITER partners?</p><p>

ITER and NIF/HiPER are two completely different ways of achieving fusion - magnetic confinement and inertial confinement fusion. There is no need to 'refactor' ITER in light of the NIF results, since for the most part these results don't impact on ITER. Potentially, we could use both methods to generate energy in the future but they are completely distinct projects.

</p><p>And, let's admit everything works: what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce? And of what type?</p><p>

I'm not sure about NIF since I work in magnetic confinement fusion, but in ITER, the main radiactive product will be tritium, whose half-life is just 12 years. This means that within a century, all materials from ITER should be perfectly safe to recycle. Also, there is only ever a few grams of fuel in any fusion experiment, so if something goes wrong there can't be any huge explosions, This is one of the reasons for the often cited inherent safety of fusion power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question now becomes : will this generate more energy than it takes ?
And can it sustain power generation ?
Ignition is the condition whereby more energy is generated than was required in the first place .
This is the goal NIF are aiming for and , by all accounts , will achieve in the next couple of years .
The big problems come in trying to scale this up to a commercially viable power plant .
Currently , the targets used in NIF cost ~ $ 1000 each , and for a power plant ten are required every second .
And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account ?
Will the EU combine HiPER ( high-energy laser projects ) and ITER ?
Will the USA share its latest discovery with its ITER partners ?
ITER and NIF/HiPER are two completely different ways of achieving fusion - magnetic confinement and inertial confinement fusion .
There is no need to 'refactor ' ITER in light of the NIF results , since for the most part these results do n't impact on ITER .
Potentially , we could use both methods to generate energy in the future but they are completely distinct projects .
And , let 's admit everything works : what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce ?
And of what type ?
I 'm not sure about NIF since I work in magnetic confinement fusion , but in ITER , the main radiactive product will be tritium , whose half-life is just 12 years .
This means that within a century , all materials from ITER should be perfectly safe to recycle .
Also , there is only ever a few grams of fuel in any fusion experiment , so if something goes wrong there ca n't be any huge explosions , This is one of the reasons for the often cited inherent safety of fusion power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question now becomes: will this generate more energy than it takes?
And can it sustain power generation?
Ignition is the condition whereby more energy is generated than was required in the first place.
This is the goal NIF are aiming for and, by all accounts, will achieve in the next couple of years.
The big problems come in trying to scale this up to a commercially viable power plant.
Currently, the targets used in NIF cost ~$1000 each, and for a power plant ten are required every second.
And will ITER be quickly refactored to take this into account?
Will the EU combine HiPER (high-energy laser projects) and ITER?
Will the USA share its latest discovery with its ITER partners?
ITER and NIF/HiPER are two completely different ways of achieving fusion - magnetic confinement and inertial confinement fusion.
There is no need to 'refactor' ITER in light of the NIF results, since for the most part these results don't impact on ITER.
Potentially, we could use both methods to generate energy in the future but they are completely distinct projects.
And, let's admit everything works: what quantity of nuclear waste will such a machine produce?
And of what type?
I'm not sure about NIF since I work in magnetic confinement fusion, but in ITER, the main radiactive product will be tritium, whose half-life is just 12 years.
This means that within a century, all materials from ITER should be perfectly safe to recycle.
Also, there is only ever a few grams of fuel in any fusion experiment, so if something goes wrong there can't be any huge explosions, This is one of the reasons for the often cited inherent safety of fusion power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950770</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>maroberts</author>
	<datestamp>1264786140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we have 192 sharks with frickin' lasers strapped to their heads all pointed in the right direction, we'll have fusion, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we have 192 sharks with frickin ' lasers strapped to their heads all pointed in the right direction , we 'll have fusion , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we have 192 sharks with frickin' lasers strapped to their heads all pointed in the right direction, we'll have fusion, right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30958570</id>
	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>PagosaSam</author>
	<datestamp>1264778760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, no.  Tritium is easily produced by neutron bombardment of Lithium 6.  You get He4 and a T.  Fortunately the DT reaction produces a neutron that can be captured to create more T.  Also fortunately, Lithium is reasonably abundant.  At least for this purpose, I'm not so sure about car batteries!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , no .
Tritium is easily produced by neutron bombardment of Lithium 6 .
You get He4 and a T. Fortunately the DT reaction produces a neutron that can be captured to create more T. Also fortunately , Lithium is reasonably abundant .
At least for this purpose , I 'm not so sure about car batteries !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, no.
Tritium is easily produced by neutron bombardment of Lithium 6.
You get He4 and a T.  Fortunately the DT reaction produces a neutron that can be captured to create more T.  Also fortunately, Lithium is reasonably abundant.
At least for this purpose, I'm not so sure about car batteries!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949796</id>
	<title>Fantastic Four</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264782480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there any truth to that part in the Fantastic Four movie, where the human torch went so hot that he almost ignited the earth's atmosphere?</p><p>Any danger of this scenario happening with that laser fusion experiment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any truth to that part in the Fantastic Four movie , where the human torch went so hot that he almost ignited the earth 's atmosphere ? Any danger of this scenario happening with that laser fusion experiment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any truth to that part in the Fantastic Four movie, where the human torch went so hot that he almost ignited the earth's atmosphere?Any danger of this scenario happening with that laser fusion experiment?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950906</id>
	<title>as a physicsist...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264786560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a physicist, I love these experiments, but...</p><p>The people running this thing need to think really, *really* hard how their comments play out in the media, maybe try and be a little more clear.  The difference between getting fusion (the physical process) to work and getting fusion (the power generation system) to work is huge!  Should they accomplish their goals in a year, they will still be a very long way away from thinking about building an electricity generating system.  The line of "getting more power out than we put in" for fusion in the lab was crossed decades ago, and it's still unclear how doing this with yet another method of creating a fusion plasma is going to result in a more straightforward commercial reactor design.</p><p>This is how we end up with government officials who think we're all full of hyperbole, and don't actually do any work.  I know they're fighting for their jobs at Livermore, but I don't see how they can keep this up long term.  At some point, some Congressional committee is going to ask them to deliver on what has been promised, even if it was a confused, incorrect promise mis-translated by the media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a physicist , I love these experiments , but...The people running this thing need to think really , * really * hard how their comments play out in the media , maybe try and be a little more clear .
The difference between getting fusion ( the physical process ) to work and getting fusion ( the power generation system ) to work is huge !
Should they accomplish their goals in a year , they will still be a very long way away from thinking about building an electricity generating system .
The line of " getting more power out than we put in " for fusion in the lab was crossed decades ago , and it 's still unclear how doing this with yet another method of creating a fusion plasma is going to result in a more straightforward commercial reactor design.This is how we end up with government officials who think we 're all full of hyperbole , and do n't actually do any work .
I know they 're fighting for their jobs at Livermore , but I do n't see how they can keep this up long term .
At some point , some Congressional committee is going to ask them to deliver on what has been promised , even if it was a confused , incorrect promise mis-translated by the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a physicist, I love these experiments, but...The people running this thing need to think really, *really* hard how their comments play out in the media, maybe try and be a little more clear.
The difference between getting fusion (the physical process) to work and getting fusion (the power generation system) to work is huge!
Should they accomplish their goals in a year, they will still be a very long way away from thinking about building an electricity generating system.
The line of "getting more power out than we put in" for fusion in the lab was crossed decades ago, and it's still unclear how doing this with yet another method of creating a fusion plasma is going to result in a more straightforward commercial reactor design.This is how we end up with government officials who think we're all full of hyperbole, and don't actually do any work.
I know they're fighting for their jobs at Livermore, but I don't see how they can keep this up long term.
At some point, some Congressional committee is going to ask them to deliver on what has been promised, even if it was a confused, incorrect promise mis-translated by the media.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949350</id>
	<title>Within a Year?  Blasphemy!</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1264780500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The project lead, Dr. Sigfried Glenzer, is "confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon. He added, quite simply, 'It's going to happen this year.'</p></div><p>  Huh.  I had always thought that some international police force like "The International Fusion Gestapo" would be dispatched upon hearing this news and show up at your lab and start smashing mirrors and urinating on lasers until you revised your statement to be "15 to 20 years away" so that all their dues paying members would have time to reach tenure before you ruined the party.  <br> <br>I mean, there was no other logical explanation why so many seemingly brilliant scientists continually gave us incorrect estimates of achieving milestones in fusion research.  Is this just being overly optimistic or was he carefully picking his words so that they will know if this method is viable (above break even energy production) <i>or not</i> within a year?  And if so, where will he get his funding given the <i>if not</i> scenario?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The project lead , Dr. Sigfried Glenzer , is " confident that with everything in place , ignition is on the horizon .
He added , quite simply , 'It 's going to happen this year .
' Huh .
I had always thought that some international police force like " The International Fusion Gestapo " would be dispatched upon hearing this news and show up at your lab and start smashing mirrors and urinating on lasers until you revised your statement to be " 15 to 20 years away " so that all their dues paying members would have time to reach tenure before you ruined the party .
I mean , there was no other logical explanation why so many seemingly brilliant scientists continually gave us incorrect estimates of achieving milestones in fusion research .
Is this just being overly optimistic or was he carefully picking his words so that they will know if this method is viable ( above break even energy production ) or not within a year ?
And if so , where will he get his funding given the if not scenario ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The project lead, Dr. Sigfried Glenzer, is "confident that with everything in place, ignition is on the horizon.
He added, quite simply, 'It's going to happen this year.
'  Huh.
I had always thought that some international police force like "The International Fusion Gestapo" would be dispatched upon hearing this news and show up at your lab and start smashing mirrors and urinating on lasers until you revised your statement to be "15 to 20 years away" so that all their dues paying members would have time to reach tenure before you ruined the party.
I mean, there was no other logical explanation why so many seemingly brilliant scientists continually gave us incorrect estimates of achieving milestones in fusion research.
Is this just being overly optimistic or was he carefully picking his words so that they will know if this method is viable (above break even energy production) or not within a year?
And if so, where will he get his funding given the if not scenario?
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	<title>Re:fusion has radioactive waste</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264756080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would settle for electric cars powered by fission plants, too. But if it takes figuring out fusion to get people over their irrational, anti-scientific fear of nuclear power, then so be it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would settle for electric cars powered by fission plants , too .
But if it takes figuring out fusion to get people over their irrational , anti-scientific fear of nuclear power , then so be it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would settle for electric cars powered by fission plants, too.
But if it takes figuring out fusion to get people over their irrational, anti-scientific fear of nuclear power, then so be it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950706</id>
	<title>Re:steam?!</title>
	<author>Dr\_Barnowl</author>
	<datestamp>1264785900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is... in theory.</p><p>A reactor design using a dense plasma focus is supposed to have two products from which you can directly get electricity, a stream of high velocity helium ions (you get the energy out of them by electrobraking them), and X-rays (the team concerned has a sort of gamma-photovoltaic-cell design consisting of many metal foil layers).</p><p>The team has an <a href="http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/lpp\_experiment\_8\_goals\_and\_timeline/" title="focusfusion.org">aggressive timetable</a> [focusfusion.org]... so at least we'll know in less than 30 years whether it's going to work...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is... in theory.A reactor design using a dense plasma focus is supposed to have two products from which you can directly get electricity , a stream of high velocity helium ions ( you get the energy out of them by electrobraking them ) , and X-rays ( the team concerned has a sort of gamma-photovoltaic-cell design consisting of many metal foil layers ) .The team has an aggressive timetable [ focusfusion.org ] ... so at least we 'll know in less than 30 years whether it 's going to work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is... in theory.A reactor design using a dense plasma focus is supposed to have two products from which you can directly get electricity, a stream of high velocity helium ions (you get the energy out of them by electrobraking them), and X-rays (the team concerned has a sort of gamma-photovoltaic-cell design consisting of many metal foil layers).The team has an aggressive timetable [focusfusion.org]... so at least we'll know in less than 30 years whether it's going to work...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30951414</id>
	<title>Re:This is wonderful!</title>
	<author>toboldh</author>
	<datestamp>1264788360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where have I heard this before?  Oh ya, now I remember.  I wrote a paper for my high school physics class on the state of fusion energy research and how it would soon be a source of unlimited cheap power.  I wrote that paper in 1962.

Now I'm paying the PG&amp;E bill with my social security check.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where have I heard this before ?
Oh ya , now I remember .
I wrote a paper for my high school physics class on the state of fusion energy research and how it would soon be a source of unlimited cheap power .
I wrote that paper in 1962 .
Now I 'm paying the PG&amp;E bill with my social security check .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where have I heard this before?
Oh ya, now I remember.
I wrote a paper for my high school physics class on the state of fusion energy research and how it would soon be a source of unlimited cheap power.
I wrote that paper in 1962.
Now I'm paying the PG&amp;E bill with my social security check.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30949364</id>
	<title>I can hear it now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264780560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Boom?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Boom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boom?</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_29_1330217.30950312</id>
	<title>Re:Lasers?</title>
	<author>ClosedSource</author>
	<datestamp>1264784400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not enough Tritium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not enough Tritium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not enough Tritium.</sentencetext>
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