<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_28_1316226</id>
	<title>Behind Google's Recent Decision About China</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1264686300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>yuhong writes <i>"This article by The Independent takes a look at what is behind the <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/sergey-brin-engine-driver-1869546.html">recent decisions made by Google regarding China</a>, particularly regarding Sergey Brin, born in the USSR, [and whose origins] played a big part in this decision. From the article: 'He's always had an emotional tug within him, saying "we shouldn't be making compromises," says Ken Auletta, the author of <em>Googled: The End of the World As We Know It</em>.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>yuhong writes " This article by The Independent takes a look at what is behind the recent decisions made by Google regarding China , particularly regarding Sergey Brin , born in the USSR , [ and whose origins ] played a big part in this decision .
From the article : 'He 's always had an emotional tug within him , saying " we should n't be making compromises , " says Ken Auletta , the author of Googled : The End of the World As We Know It .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yuhong writes "This article by The Independent takes a look at what is behind the recent decisions made by Google regarding China, particularly regarding Sergey Brin, born in the USSR, [and whose origins] played a big part in this decision.
From the article: 'He's always had an emotional tug within him, saying "we shouldn't be making compromises," says Ken Auletta, the author of Googled: The End of the World As We Know It.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30941544</id>
	<title>"small, three-room apartment..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264674360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The family lived with Michael's mother in a small, three-room apartment in Moscow..."<br>A three-room apartment in Moscow in the 70's was a good deal. The author certainly isn't familiar with the realities of Soviet and post-Soviet Russia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The family lived with Michael 's mother in a small , three-room apartment in Moscow... " A three-room apartment in Moscow in the 70 's was a good deal .
The author certainly is n't familiar with the realities of Soviet and post-Soviet Russia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The family lived with Michael's mother in a small, three-room apartment in Moscow..."A three-room apartment in Moscow in the 70's was a good deal.
The author certainly isn't familiar with the realities of Soviet and post-Soviet Russia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933334</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264694760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>way to completely miss the point, jackass.  But I guess it is more important to keep spreading the meme of "if you use public utilities you can't make an argument against socialism" since you and your slashdot buddies will need it the next time the word "capitalism" comes up in a thread.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>way to completely miss the point , jackass .
But I guess it is more important to keep spreading the meme of " if you use public utilities you ca n't make an argument against socialism " since you and your slashdot buddies will need it the next time the word " capitalism " comes up in a thread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>way to completely miss the point, jackass.
But I guess it is more important to keep spreading the meme of "if you use public utilities you can't make an argument against socialism" since you and your slashdot buddies will need it the next time the word "capitalism" comes up in a thread.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30938708</id>
	<title>You all are very funny...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264709460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Chinese in USA, I can tell you based on my personal experience and what I heard from all the people (many many of them) I know, no one in China really cares if google leaves China. Does it really provide anything you REALLY HAVE TO use?</p><p>And about "speech freedom", does Google itself follow the rule?</p><p>BTW in China/Korean/Japanese, Google never had upper hand in market anyway, I think in fact, google's philosophy is NOT really that matching in east Asia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Chinese in USA , I can tell you based on my personal experience and what I heard from all the people ( many many of them ) I know , no one in China really cares if google leaves China .
Does it really provide anything you REALLY HAVE TO use ? And about " speech freedom " , does Google itself follow the rule ? BTW in China/Korean/Japanese , Google never had upper hand in market anyway , I think in fact , google 's philosophy is NOT really that matching in east Asia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Chinese in USA, I can tell you based on my personal experience and what I heard from all the people (many many of them) I know, no one in China really cares if google leaves China.
Does it really provide anything you REALLY HAVE TO use?And about "speech freedom", does Google itself follow the rule?BTW in China/Korean/Japanese, Google never had upper hand in market anyway, I think in fact, google's philosophy is NOT really that matching in east Asia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933348</id>
	<title>What decision?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264694820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article suggests that Google decided to remove censorship and just needs time to do this, meanwhile giving the Chinese gov. a chance to wise-up.</p><p>This is NOT TRUE. Censorship was removed immediately after the statement on their blog was made, only to be reinstated a few hours later, probably under threat of having *.google.cn blacklisted.</p><p>There is no decision whatsoever. Things are being negotiated, which can only mean they will continue censored operation. The suggestion of a "ultimatum" to operate uncensored or not-at-all is totally false.</p><p>BTW, Google does not need to censor in order to operate a censored search engine. Just spider from within China and the Great Firewall should do the work for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article suggests that Google decided to remove censorship and just needs time to do this , meanwhile giving the Chinese gov .
a chance to wise-up.This is NOT TRUE .
Censorship was removed immediately after the statement on their blog was made , only to be reinstated a few hours later , probably under threat of having * .google.cn blacklisted.There is no decision whatsoever .
Things are being negotiated , which can only mean they will continue censored operation .
The suggestion of a " ultimatum " to operate uncensored or not-at-all is totally false.BTW , Google does not need to censor in order to operate a censored search engine .
Just spider from within China and the Great Firewall should do the work for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article suggests that Google decided to remove censorship and just needs time to do this, meanwhile giving the Chinese gov.
a chance to wise-up.This is NOT TRUE.
Censorship was removed immediately after the statement on their blog was made, only to be reinstated a few hours later, probably under threat of having *.google.cn blacklisted.There is no decision whatsoever.
Things are being negotiated, which can only mean they will continue censored operation.
The suggestion of a "ultimatum" to operate uncensored or not-at-all is totally false.BTW, Google does not need to censor in order to operate a censored search engine.
Just spider from within China and the Great Firewall should do the work for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932984</id>
	<title>What the hell is with the summaries lately?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264693140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>particularly regarding Sergey Brin was born in the USSR which played a big part in this decision.</p></div><p>Holy shit, can we please proofread summaries before submitting stories?  How the hell did you people pass high school English?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>particularly regarding Sergey Brin was born in the USSR which played a big part in this decision.Holy shit , can we please proofread summaries before submitting stories ?
How the hell did you people pass high school English ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>particularly regarding Sergey Brin was born in the USSR which played a big part in this decision.Holy shit, can we please proofread summaries before submitting stories?
How the hell did you people pass high school English?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933028</id>
	<title>Re:Like Father Like Son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264693320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Interesting, Sergey's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted (astronomer) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.</p></div><p>Actually, no.  In the USSR, if you were Jewish, this was written in your passport and in no way a choice.  Almost certainly Sergey's father was a secular Jew.</p><p>I have the same background as Sergey (Jewish parents left USSR when I was little) and I can see precisely where he is coming from.  It's scary to read all of the comments from people who have never lived under an actual oppressive government about how the US is just as bad as China, echoing the Chinese government that we shouldn't censure China for murdering dissidents and blocking large parts of the internet because we've conducted warrantless wiretapping.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , Sergey 's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted ( astronomer ) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.Actually , no .
In the USSR , if you were Jewish , this was written in your passport and in no way a choice .
Almost certainly Sergey 's father was a secular Jew.I have the same background as Sergey ( Jewish parents left USSR when I was little ) and I can see precisely where he is coming from .
It 's scary to read all of the comments from people who have never lived under an actual oppressive government about how the US is just as bad as China , echoing the Chinese government that we should n't censure China for murdering dissidents and blocking large parts of the internet because we 've conducted warrantless wiretapping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting, Sergey's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted (astronomer) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.Actually, no.
In the USSR, if you were Jewish, this was written in your passport and in no way a choice.
Almost certainly Sergey's father was a secular Jew.I have the same background as Sergey (Jewish parents left USSR when I was little) and I can see precisely where he is coming from.
It's scary to read all of the comments from people who have never lived under an actual oppressive government about how the US is just as bad as China, echoing the Chinese government that we shouldn't censure China for murdering dissidents and blocking large parts of the internet because we've conducted warrantless wiretapping.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932646</id>
	<title>Never compromise.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not even in the face of Armageddon.<br>-- Rorschach</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not even in the face of Armageddon.-- Rorschach</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not even in the face of Armageddon.-- Rorschach</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934482</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264698540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to interrupt you mid-troll, but you're aware that the fire and police services are capitalist in nature? They were originally devised because the poor had cheap, flammable housing and the rich wanted to protect their property and to protect the upstanding members of society (generally the rich) from the criminals and thugs (generally the poor). They might seem broadly socialist to you now as they're supposedly there for the good of all (although this isn't always the case either), but that's certainly not the way they started out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to interrupt you mid-troll , but you 're aware that the fire and police services are capitalist in nature ?
They were originally devised because the poor had cheap , flammable housing and the rich wanted to protect their property and to protect the upstanding members of society ( generally the rich ) from the criminals and thugs ( generally the poor ) .
They might seem broadly socialist to you now as they 're supposedly there for the good of all ( although this is n't always the case either ) , but that 's certainly not the way they started out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to interrupt you mid-troll, but you're aware that the fire and police services are capitalist in nature?
They were originally devised because the poor had cheap, flammable housing and the rich wanted to protect their property and to protect the upstanding members of society (generally the rich) from the criminals and thugs (generally the poor).
They might seem broadly socialist to you now as they're supposedly there for the good of all (although this isn't always the case either), but that's certainly not the way they started out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30935084</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>gtall</author>
	<datestamp>1264700220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I agree in general, S. Korea and Japan don't have nearly the population China does. China could spend a long time as the low cost manufacturer simply because there are so many poor peasants to be put to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I agree in general , S. Korea and Japan do n't have nearly the population China does .
China could spend a long time as the low cost manufacturer simply because there are so many poor peasants to be put to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I agree in general, S. Korea and Japan don't have nearly the population China does.
China could spend a long time as the low cost manufacturer simply because there are so many poor peasants to be put to work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30942584</id>
	<title>Re:the Lesser of evils</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264678140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only when evil is the predominant social system. It all depends on what society rewards and what it punishes. Our society rewards evil, and so yes... in this society, it is much harder to be good than evil. If our social system rewarded goodness, it would actually be much easier to be good than to be evil.</p><p>Why not change the social system, so that it isn't almost impossible to be good? It's been done before with great success.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only when evil is the predominant social system .
It all depends on what society rewards and what it punishes .
Our society rewards evil , and so yes... in this society , it is much harder to be good than evil .
If our social system rewarded goodness , it would actually be much easier to be good than to be evil.Why not change the social system , so that it is n't almost impossible to be good ?
It 's been done before with great success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only when evil is the predominant social system.
It all depends on what society rewards and what it punishes.
Our society rewards evil, and so yes... in this society, it is much harder to be good than evil.
If our social system rewarded goodness, it would actually be much easier to be good than to be evil.Why not change the social system, so that it isn't almost impossible to be good?
It's been done before with great success.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30942774</id>
	<title>Re:China Betrayed Them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264678620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My reading of the whole fiasco led me to think that Google provided the PRC government with a private administrative interface to allow them to censor search results.  I think this interface was then used to attack Google, and given it was somewhat more trusted than anything facing the public web, allowed some weakness which was exploited by the attackers.</p><p>This is then how Google knew the attack was from the Chinese government.  It then figures that withdrawing that interface and ending the censorship of the search results was their payback, and also a sensible way to close the attack vector.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My reading of the whole fiasco led me to think that Google provided the PRC government with a private administrative interface to allow them to censor search results .
I think this interface was then used to attack Google , and given it was somewhat more trusted than anything facing the public web , allowed some weakness which was exploited by the attackers.This is then how Google knew the attack was from the Chinese government .
It then figures that withdrawing that interface and ending the censorship of the search results was their payback , and also a sensible way to close the attack vector .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My reading of the whole fiasco led me to think that Google provided the PRC government with a private administrative interface to allow them to censor search results.
I think this interface was then used to attack Google, and given it was somewhat more trusted than anything facing the public web, allowed some weakness which was exploited by the attackers.This is then how Google knew the attack was from the Chinese government.
It then figures that withdrawing that interface and ending the censorship of the search results was their payback, and also a sensible way to close the attack vector.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933178</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>jgardia</author>
	<datestamp>1264694040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>cajones = drawers, cojones = the word you wanted to use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>cajones = drawers , cojones = the word you wanted to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cajones = drawers, cojones = the word you wanted to use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932946</id>
	<title>The real reason: code.</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1264692960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If China rips off the iPod, Apple will know. They can buy and dismantle a knock-off, dump the ROMs, and prove that they have been ripped off. In Apple's case they can also lock down iTunes, or just rake in the iTunes revenue from the rip-off product users, but other manufacturers don't necessarily have that option.</p><p>If China rips off Google Search, Google will not know, or not be able to prove it, since all the code will be on a server in China.</p><p>So, if Google got wind that their Chinese employees were ripping off their code, that's a big deal. Big enough to pull out of China?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If China rips off the iPod , Apple will know .
They can buy and dismantle a knock-off , dump the ROMs , and prove that they have been ripped off .
In Apple 's case they can also lock down iTunes , or just rake in the iTunes revenue from the rip-off product users , but other manufacturers do n't necessarily have that option.If China rips off Google Search , Google will not know , or not be able to prove it , since all the code will be on a server in China.So , if Google got wind that their Chinese employees were ripping off their code , that 's a big deal .
Big enough to pull out of China ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If China rips off the iPod, Apple will know.
They can buy and dismantle a knock-off, dump the ROMs, and prove that they have been ripped off.
In Apple's case they can also lock down iTunes, or just rake in the iTunes revenue from the rip-off product users, but other manufacturers don't necessarily have that option.If China rips off Google Search, Google will not know, or not be able to prove it, since all the code will be on a server in China.So, if Google got wind that their Chinese employees were ripping off their code, that's a big deal.
Big enough to pull out of China?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932678</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264691100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hm, I'm not sure why anyone would "hate" Google.  I like using all their free stuff, and my Nexus One is the cat's pajamas.

I agree with you that it takes some big cajones to stand up to the PRC government, which is getting richer and scarier.  But we have to remember a few historical facts.

China is currently the low cost acceptable quality manufacturer in the world.  This will not hold forever.  Remember when it was Taiwan and Korea, and before that Japan?

China will eventually face a situation where its cheap labor is a liability rather than an asset.  They can't perpetuate this divide between the haves and have-nots forever.  The cities will get richer, more expensive to live in, and knowledge worker wages will rise.  Infrastructure needs will scream for more taxation, and cost of living will increase.  Everyone will want a car, then two cars, then a house with a garage, etc.  There's a price for moving to a consumption economy.

China's paranoid regime will spend more on expensive new military gear and, gradually, it will increasingly resemble a Western economy.  They can "near-source" their manufacturing to the hinterland, e.g. Sichuan, Guangdong, Guangxi, etc. for a while longer but not forever.

Eventually, some other manufacturing region will become prominent--maybe parts of India, South America, or Africa, where wages are still very low and people are glad for any kind of work.  Or, robotics and nanotech will finally kick in and remove the low wage advantage from the equation, and the U.S. may reemerge as a major manufacturer.  A factory on every corner, with made-to-order consumer goods while you wait, for example.

As for the Google situation, it's not over yet.  I suspect there will be some kind of win-win understanding between the two parties where Google will be relieved of censorship duties, but the PRC government will find some other way to effectively censor search results without either side admitting any concession.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hm , I 'm not sure why anyone would " hate " Google .
I like using all their free stuff , and my Nexus One is the cat 's pajamas .
I agree with you that it takes some big cajones to stand up to the PRC government , which is getting richer and scarier .
But we have to remember a few historical facts .
China is currently the low cost acceptable quality manufacturer in the world .
This will not hold forever .
Remember when it was Taiwan and Korea , and before that Japan ?
China will eventually face a situation where its cheap labor is a liability rather than an asset .
They ca n't perpetuate this divide between the haves and have-nots forever .
The cities will get richer , more expensive to live in , and knowledge worker wages will rise .
Infrastructure needs will scream for more taxation , and cost of living will increase .
Everyone will want a car , then two cars , then a house with a garage , etc .
There 's a price for moving to a consumption economy .
China 's paranoid regime will spend more on expensive new military gear and , gradually , it will increasingly resemble a Western economy .
They can " near-source " their manufacturing to the hinterland , e.g .
Sichuan , Guangdong , Guangxi , etc .
for a while longer but not forever .
Eventually , some other manufacturing region will become prominent--maybe parts of India , South America , or Africa , where wages are still very low and people are glad for any kind of work .
Or , robotics and nanotech will finally kick in and remove the low wage advantage from the equation , and the U.S. may reemerge as a major manufacturer .
A factory on every corner , with made-to-order consumer goods while you wait , for example .
As for the Google situation , it 's not over yet .
I suspect there will be some kind of win-win understanding between the two parties where Google will be relieved of censorship duties , but the PRC government will find some other way to effectively censor search results without either side admitting any concession .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hm, I'm not sure why anyone would "hate" Google.
I like using all their free stuff, and my Nexus One is the cat's pajamas.
I agree with you that it takes some big cajones to stand up to the PRC government, which is getting richer and scarier.
But we have to remember a few historical facts.
China is currently the low cost acceptable quality manufacturer in the world.
This will not hold forever.
Remember when it was Taiwan and Korea, and before that Japan?
China will eventually face a situation where its cheap labor is a liability rather than an asset.
They can't perpetuate this divide between the haves and have-nots forever.
The cities will get richer, more expensive to live in, and knowledge worker wages will rise.
Infrastructure needs will scream for more taxation, and cost of living will increase.
Everyone will want a car, then two cars, then a house with a garage, etc.
There's a price for moving to a consumption economy.
China's paranoid regime will spend more on expensive new military gear and, gradually, it will increasingly resemble a Western economy.
They can "near-source" their manufacturing to the hinterland, e.g.
Sichuan, Guangdong, Guangxi, etc.
for a while longer but not forever.
Eventually, some other manufacturing region will become prominent--maybe parts of India, South America, or Africa, where wages are still very low and people are glad for any kind of work.
Or, robotics and nanotech will finally kick in and remove the low wage advantage from the equation, and the U.S. may reemerge as a major manufacturer.
A factory on every corner, with made-to-order consumer goods while you wait, for example.
As for the Google situation, it's not over yet.
I suspect there will be some kind of win-win understanding between the two parties where Google will be relieved of censorship duties, but the PRC government will find some other way to effectively censor search results without either side admitting any concession.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30936292</id>
	<title>NewsFlash: Google still in China!</title>
	<author>Danathar</author>
	<datestamp>1264703400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google has not pulled out of China. They still are there. They said they would THINK ABOUT IT and no longer censor results.</p><p>Google will not pull out of China, rather they are playing poker to see if the Chinese government throws them out and blocks them. If they do (China) then the U.S. has grounds for complaining to the WTF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google has not pulled out of China .
They still are there .
They said they would THINK ABOUT IT and no longer censor results.Google will not pull out of China , rather they are playing poker to see if the Chinese government throws them out and blocks them .
If they do ( China ) then the U.S. has grounds for complaining to the WTF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google has not pulled out of China.
They still are there.
They said they would THINK ABOUT IT and no longer censor results.Google will not pull out of China, rather they are playing poker to see if the Chinese government throws them out and blocks them.
If they do (China) then the U.S. has grounds for complaining to the WTF.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932532</id>
	<title>Hmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Brin wanted to pull out of Russia and his colleague(s) wanted to be evil?</p><p>Looks like Brin lost.  No wonder he is selling out(stock).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Brin wanted to pull out of Russia and his colleague ( s ) wanted to be evil ? Looks like Brin lost .
No wonder he is selling out ( stock ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Brin wanted to pull out of Russia and his colleague(s) wanted to be evil?Looks like Brin lost.
No wonder he is selling out(stock).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30937972</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264707780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition to all the above, China's One Child policy is working better than expected (and for reasons China never thought about). The current generation has such a high ratio of males to females that when they start having children, they will have so few children that the population will shrink drastically when the current middle-aged people start dying off. China will go from being overpopulated to being severely underpopulated, and one of their biggest advantages is the size of their workforce. In 20 years, they can kiss that goodbye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to all the above , China 's One Child policy is working better than expected ( and for reasons China never thought about ) .
The current generation has such a high ratio of males to females that when they start having children , they will have so few children that the population will shrink drastically when the current middle-aged people start dying off .
China will go from being overpopulated to being severely underpopulated , and one of their biggest advantages is the size of their workforce .
In 20 years , they can kiss that goodbye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to all the above, China's One Child policy is working better than expected (and for reasons China never thought about).
The current generation has such a high ratio of males to females that when they start having children, they will have so few children that the population will shrink drastically when the current middle-aged people start dying off.
China will go from being overpopulated to being severely underpopulated, and one of their biggest advantages is the size of their workforce.
In 20 years, they can kiss that goodbye.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933016</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>javilon</author>
	<datestamp>1264693260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the other hand, Microsoft is quite happy collaborating with the Chinese government in clamping on freedom of expression.</p><p>If only for that reason, you'll never catch me using bing.</p><p>There are the moral reasons and also the fact that information about you can end up in the hands of Chinese officials. Of course the later is more important for the Chinese population living abroad and for companies competing against Chinese products (most of the big ones if not all)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the other hand , Microsoft is quite happy collaborating with the Chinese government in clamping on freedom of expression.If only for that reason , you 'll never catch me using bing.There are the moral reasons and also the fact that information about you can end up in the hands of Chinese officials .
Of course the later is more important for the Chinese population living abroad and for companies competing against Chinese products ( most of the big ones if not all )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the other hand, Microsoft is quite happy collaborating with the Chinese government in clamping on freedom of expression.If only for that reason, you'll never catch me using bing.There are the moral reasons and also the fact that information about you can end up in the hands of Chinese officials.
Of course the later is more important for the Chinese population living abroad and for companies competing against Chinese products (most of the big ones if not all)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30936122</id>
	<title>Re:Like Father Like Son</title>
	<author>ornil</author>
	<datestamp>1264702920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Interesting, Sergey's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted (astronomer) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.</p> </div><p>Actually, you have no clue. It was impossible to become non-Jewish in Soviet Union. Most Jews tried, I think. If it were possible, I think many would have succeeded. It has nothing to do with faith anyway, most people were atheists. It had to do with ethnicity, whether you parents were Jews.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , Sergey 's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted ( astronomer ) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers .
Actually , you have no clue .
It was impossible to become non-Jewish in Soviet Union .
Most Jews tried , I think .
If it were possible , I think many would have succeeded .
It has nothing to do with faith anyway , most people were atheists .
It had to do with ethnicity , whether you parents were Jews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting, Sergey's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted (astronomer) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.
Actually, you have no clue.
It was impossible to become non-Jewish in Soviet Union.
Most Jews tried, I think.
If it were possible, I think many would have succeeded.
It has nothing to do with faith anyway, most people were atheists.
It had to do with ethnicity, whether you parents were Jews.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934790</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1264699440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up, most US debt is owned by the government itself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up , most US debt is owned by the government itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up, most US debt is owned by the government itself.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933296</id>
	<title>Brin is a Russian Jew</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1264694460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As such, he and his ancestors have seen plenty of discrimination and perhaps a pogrom or two, too. They were persecuted by the Czars, they were persecuted by Stalin, and basically, none of the USSR leaders after Stalin had much sympathy for them, either. I think Brin has a sharpened and sensitive view of things related to freedom of speech and other civil liberties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As such , he and his ancestors have seen plenty of discrimination and perhaps a pogrom or two , too .
They were persecuted by the Czars , they were persecuted by Stalin , and basically , none of the USSR leaders after Stalin had much sympathy for them , either .
I think Brin has a sharpened and sensitive view of things related to freedom of speech and other civil liberties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As such, he and his ancestors have seen plenty of discrimination and perhaps a pogrom or two, too.
They were persecuted by the Czars, they were persecuted by Stalin, and basically, none of the USSR leaders after Stalin had much sympathy for them, either.
I think Brin has a sharpened and sensitive view of things related to freedom of speech and other civil liberties.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932662</id>
	<title>google can do it</title>
	<author>h00manist</author>
	<datestamp>1264691040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if google wants to start a campaign to promote democracy and human rights in china on all websites in the world, forcing the people's republic to censor the whole world, effectively re-isolating themselves, they can do it.  if they want to take another strategy, and make all of google inacessible from all of china, imposing some isolation on them, they also can. they can pressure other organizations to do the same.  but continuing to play footsie with capitalism and fascism and maoism and government monopolies and expect good results is going to continue getting nothing.  at worst, google would lose china, at least while that government continues, but gain a lot of respect in the rest of the world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if google wants to start a campaign to promote democracy and human rights in china on all websites in the world , forcing the people 's republic to censor the whole world , effectively re-isolating themselves , they can do it .
if they want to take another strategy , and make all of google inacessible from all of china , imposing some isolation on them , they also can .
they can pressure other organizations to do the same .
but continuing to play footsie with capitalism and fascism and maoism and government monopolies and expect good results is going to continue getting nothing .
at worst , google would lose china , at least while that government continues , but gain a lot of respect in the rest of the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if google wants to start a campaign to promote democracy and human rights in china on all websites in the world, forcing the people's republic to censor the whole world, effectively re-isolating themselves, they can do it.
if they want to take another strategy, and make all of google inacessible from all of china, imposing some isolation on them, they also can.
they can pressure other organizations to do the same.
but continuing to play footsie with capitalism and fascism and maoism and government monopolies and expect good results is going to continue getting nothing.
at worst, google would lose china, at least while that government continues, but gain a lot of respect in the rest of the world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933122</id>
	<title>Obligatory...</title>
	<author>Mr\_Miagi</author>
	<datestamp>1264693740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because in Soviet Russia, China censors Sergey Brin....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because in Soviet Russia , China censors Sergey Brin... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because in Soviet Russia, China censors Sergey Brin....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933516</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264695660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While China's overall GDP growth numbers have looked good, especially relative to other top economies, there are some underlying structural issues hidden by these numbers. In one case, I don't think they take into account the environmental sacrifices that have been made to pull their economy forward and this will be due at some point (recent green efforts, notwithstanding).</p><p>A recent BBC broadcast (link below), highlighted some of the issues related to China's growth. The guest was Jim Chanos, an investor known for his perceptiveness in shorting industries. He noted that much of their growth was asset based (plant building, etc) and as a percentage of GDP rather large. This had been going on for some time (essentially funded by State capital) and the depreciation of said assets is not taken into account when calculating their GDP. GDP in China is a goal, not one of many descriptions normally used for observing overall growth. This can affect planning, especially for an economy with so much central planning, as they target growth just to make GDP grow. Thus you get an imbalance in short term gain versus long term development.</p><p>China Crisis (BBC podcast)<br>http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/bizdaily/bizdaily\_20100127-1026a.mp3</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While China 's overall GDP growth numbers have looked good , especially relative to other top economies , there are some underlying structural issues hidden by these numbers .
In one case , I do n't think they take into account the environmental sacrifices that have been made to pull their economy forward and this will be due at some point ( recent green efforts , notwithstanding ) .A recent BBC broadcast ( link below ) , highlighted some of the issues related to China 's growth .
The guest was Jim Chanos , an investor known for his perceptiveness in shorting industries .
He noted that much of their growth was asset based ( plant building , etc ) and as a percentage of GDP rather large .
This had been going on for some time ( essentially funded by State capital ) and the depreciation of said assets is not taken into account when calculating their GDP .
GDP in China is a goal , not one of many descriptions normally used for observing overall growth .
This can affect planning , especially for an economy with so much central planning , as they target growth just to make GDP grow .
Thus you get an imbalance in short term gain versus long term development.China Crisis ( BBC podcast ) http : //downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/bizdaily/bizdaily \ _20100127-1026a.mp3</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While China's overall GDP growth numbers have looked good, especially relative to other top economies, there are some underlying structural issues hidden by these numbers.
In one case, I don't think they take into account the environmental sacrifices that have been made to pull their economy forward and this will be due at some point (recent green efforts, notwithstanding).A recent BBC broadcast (link below), highlighted some of the issues related to China's growth.
The guest was Jim Chanos, an investor known for his perceptiveness in shorting industries.
He noted that much of their growth was asset based (plant building, etc) and as a percentage of GDP rather large.
This had been going on for some time (essentially funded by State capital) and the depreciation of said assets is not taken into account when calculating their GDP.
GDP in China is a goal, not one of many descriptions normally used for observing overall growth.
This can affect planning, especially for an economy with so much central planning, as they target growth just to make GDP grow.
Thus you get an imbalance in short term gain versus long term development.China Crisis (BBC podcast)http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/worldservice/bizdaily/bizdaily\_20100127-1026a.mp3</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30940534</id>
	<title>ALL PATRIOTIC SINOPHOBES NEED TO SPEAK UP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264671480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's uncanny to see the pathetic sinophobes (sorry, sinoenvy) losers trying to suck in their own flabby guts and flagellate their manboob chests each and every time they see the Chinese getting things done right.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"He's always had an emotional tug within him, saying 'we shouldn't be making compromises',"</p><p>One of the site's founders, Larry Page, voted the motion down, as did the CEO, Eric Schmidt. But Page's co-founder, Sergey Brin, abstained. .</p> </div><p>I suggest Brin might want to supercharge his "emotional tug", as it seems a bit underpowered, and was only able to move Brin to the kiss-your-sister, on-the-fence position of abstention.</p><p>BTW, can Tim Walker of The Independent sound a little more obsequious, and sycophant than the disrespectful irreverence attitude he seems to have adopted about Sergey and family?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's uncanny to see the pathetic sinophobes ( sorry , sinoenvy ) losers trying to suck in their own flabby guts and flagellate their manboob chests each and every time they see the Chinese getting things done right .
" He 's always had an emotional tug within him , saying 'we should n't be making compromises ' , " One of the site 's founders , Larry Page , voted the motion down , as did the CEO , Eric Schmidt .
But Page 's co-founder , Sergey Brin , abstained .
. I suggest Brin might want to supercharge his " emotional tug " , as it seems a bit underpowered , and was only able to move Brin to the kiss-your-sister , on-the-fence position of abstention.BTW , can Tim Walker of The Independent sound a little more obsequious , and sycophant than the disrespectful irreverence attitude he seems to have adopted about Sergey and family ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's uncanny to see the pathetic sinophobes (sorry, sinoenvy) losers trying to suck in their own flabby guts and flagellate their manboob chests each and every time they see the Chinese getting things done right.
"He's always had an emotional tug within him, saying 'we shouldn't be making compromises',"One of the site's founders, Larry Page, voted the motion down, as did the CEO, Eric Schmidt.
But Page's co-founder, Sergey Brin, abstained.
. I suggest Brin might want to supercharge his "emotional tug", as it seems a bit underpowered, and was only able to move Brin to the kiss-your-sister, on-the-fence position of abstention.BTW, can Tim Walker of The Independent sound a little more obsequious, and sycophant than the disrespectful irreverence attitude he seems to have adopted about Sergey and family?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932666</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264691040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't US owned by the Jews?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't US owned by the Jews ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't US owned by the Jews?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932738</id>
	<title>China Betrayed Them</title>
	<author>Doc Ruby</author>
	<datestamp>1264691520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The compromise that Google made with China was agreeing to Chinese censorship in exchange for China's protection from privacy invasion beyond that allowed by the laws Google agreed to follow. Then Google saw that protection was either useless against Chinese hackers, or betrayed by the Chinese government itself (or both).</p><p>When you pay the mafia for "protection" but you get broken into anyway, you stop paying the mafia. If you can. We'll see whether Google is tougher than China's mafia government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The compromise that Google made with China was agreeing to Chinese censorship in exchange for China 's protection from privacy invasion beyond that allowed by the laws Google agreed to follow .
Then Google saw that protection was either useless against Chinese hackers , or betrayed by the Chinese government itself ( or both ) .When you pay the mafia for " protection " but you get broken into anyway , you stop paying the mafia .
If you can .
We 'll see whether Google is tougher than China 's mafia government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The compromise that Google made with China was agreeing to Chinese censorship in exchange for China's protection from privacy invasion beyond that allowed by the laws Google agreed to follow.
Then Google saw that protection was either useless against Chinese hackers, or betrayed by the Chinese government itself (or both).When you pay the mafia for "protection" but you get broken into anyway, you stop paying the mafia.
If you can.
We'll see whether Google is tougher than China's mafia government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932598</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I am more and more afraid that they'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.</p></div></blockquote><p>With <i>us</i> you mean <i>USA</i>, right? Which is right now owned by Saudi's?</p><p>Soon enough, China will be able to buy USA in a bargainbin together with a discarted toy soldier.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am more and more afraid that they 'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.With us you mean USA , right ?
Which is right now owned by Saudi 's ? Soon enough , China will be able to buy USA in a bargainbin together with a discarted toy soldier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am more and more afraid that they'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.With us you mean USA, right?
Which is right now owned by Saudi's?Soon enough, China will be able to buy USA in a bargainbin together with a discarted toy soldier.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30940654</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>calix0815</author>
	<datestamp>1264671840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>Hong Kong seems to be the place where the society came as close as possible to the real free market system, money is created by private entities, there are competing currencies, government can't dilute the value and give preferential treatment to certain corporations, banks, etc.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;</p><p>You obviousely don't read the HK newspapers. The big tycoons have the system in their pocket. They can even control over a good part of their mini parliament because corporate bodies have exclusive voting right for some of these 'functional seats'. Just because some players can do what they like and and play the system doesn't make a free market. That kind of free market is like a duel between a marine with big gun and a five year old.</p><p>For businesses outside the tycoons areas of interest there is indeed a good and competetive market, though. In the labour market there is not really much competition possible for the labour force. Take it or leave it. The companies are unionised, not the people. But I guess eventually the erosion of wealth in the lower and middle classes will eventually lead to the most amazing collapse of a housing market the world will have ever witnessed.</p><p>In my opinion markets will always work and do what they are supposed to do. But it can take a long while and will be a very volatile process when it finally kicks in. We just had a *small* taste of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hong Kong seems to be the place where the society came as close as possible to the real free market system , money is created by private entities , there are competing currencies , government ca n't dilute the value and give preferential treatment to certain corporations , banks , etc. &gt; &gt; &gt; You obviousely do n't read the HK newspapers .
The big tycoons have the system in their pocket .
They can even control over a good part of their mini parliament because corporate bodies have exclusive voting right for some of these 'functional seats' .
Just because some players can do what they like and and play the system does n't make a free market .
That kind of free market is like a duel between a marine with big gun and a five year old.For businesses outside the tycoons areas of interest there is indeed a good and competetive market , though .
In the labour market there is not really much competition possible for the labour force .
Take it or leave it .
The companies are unionised , not the people .
But I guess eventually the erosion of wealth in the lower and middle classes will eventually lead to the most amazing collapse of a housing market the world will have ever witnessed.In my opinion markets will always work and do what they are supposed to do .
But it can take a long while and will be a very volatile process when it finally kicks in .
We just had a * small * taste of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Hong Kong seems to be the place where the society came as close as possible to the real free market system, money is created by private entities, there are competing currencies, government can't dilute the value and give preferential treatment to certain corporations, banks, etc.&gt;&gt;&gt;You obviousely don't read the HK newspapers.
The big tycoons have the system in their pocket.
They can even control over a good part of their mini parliament because corporate bodies have exclusive voting right for some of these 'functional seats'.
Just because some players can do what they like and and play the system doesn't make a free market.
That kind of free market is like a duel between a marine with big gun and a five year old.For businesses outside the tycoons areas of interest there is indeed a good and competetive market, though.
In the labour market there is not really much competition possible for the labour force.
Take it or leave it.
The companies are unionised, not the people.
But I guess eventually the erosion of wealth in the lower and middle classes will eventually lead to the most amazing collapse of a housing market the world will have ever witnessed.In my opinion markets will always work and do what they are supposed to do.
But it can take a long while and will be a very volatile process when it finally kicks in.
We just had a *small* taste of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932670</id>
	<title>the Lesser of evils</title>
	<author>Andypcguy</author>
	<datestamp>1264691040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've set all 250 computers in my Dept. default search engine to Google.  I think Evil is just a part of human nature and it takes real effort to not be evil.  I applaud Google for standing up to China and forsaking monetary gains for purity of ideals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've set all 250 computers in my Dept .
default search engine to Google .
I think Evil is just a part of human nature and it takes real effort to not be evil .
I applaud Google for standing up to China and forsaking monetary gains for purity of ideals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've set all 250 computers in my Dept.
default search engine to Google.
I think Evil is just a part of human nature and it takes real effort to not be evil.
I applaud Google for standing up to China and forsaking monetary gains for purity of ideals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932684</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1264691160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Standing up to China takes stones.</p></div><p>I beg your pardon?  You think what Google is doing is called "standing up to China"?  That's a slap in the face to the few Chinese citizens who have stood up to China and been met with torture, imprisonment, and worse.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Standing up to China takes stones.I beg your pardon ?
You think what Google is doing is called " standing up to China " ?
That 's a slap in the face to the few Chinese citizens who have stood up to China and been met with torture , imprisonment , and worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Standing up to China takes stones.I beg your pardon?
You think what Google is doing is called "standing up to China"?
That's a slap in the face to the few Chinese citizens who have stood up to China and been met with torture, imprisonment, and worse.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933174</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>OwMyBrain</author>
	<datestamp>1264693980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Standing up to China takes stones.</p><p>Having said that, I am more and more afraid that they'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.</p></div><p>Google or China?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Standing up to China takes stones.Having said that , I am more and more afraid that they 'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.Google or China ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Standing up to China takes stones.Having said that, I am more and more afraid that they'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.Google or China?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932498</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932660</id>
	<title>copyright law anyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google has no chance competing against Baidu.<br>If I want to watch the latest episode of "Family Guy", I simply go to Baidu type it in and within a minute I am watching.<br>With Google... What is this garbage? I don't want to read about family guy I want to watch it.</p><p>Until the Intellectual Property issues are resolved, Google has no chance in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google has no chance competing against Baidu.If I want to watch the latest episode of " Family Guy " , I simply go to Baidu type it in and within a minute I am watching.With Google... What is this garbage ?
I do n't want to read about family guy I want to watch it.Until the Intellectual Property issues are resolved , Google has no chance in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google has no chance competing against Baidu.If I want to watch the latest episode of "Family Guy", I simply go to Baidu type it in and within a minute I am watching.With Google... What is this garbage?
I don't want to read about family guy I want to watch it.Until the Intellectual Property issues are resolved, Google has no chance in China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30958400</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1264777080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would not be surprised to find out that he came up with the 'no evil' slogan.</p></div><p>Nope, I think it was the creator of Gmail, now at FriendFeed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not be surprised to find out that he came up with the 'no evil ' slogan.Nope , I think it was the creator of Gmail , now at FriendFeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not be surprised to find out that he came up with the 'no evil' slogan.Nope, I think it was the creator of Gmail, now at FriendFeed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30935144</id>
	<title>google bet</title>
	<author>PirateDeus</author>
	<datestamp>1264700340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Recently just placed a bet on this google vs. china. Read more about this at Rambodidit.blogspot.com (courteous link to this slashdot article already in place)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Recently just placed a bet on this google vs. china. Read more about this at Rambodidit.blogspot.com ( courteous link to this slashdot article already in place )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recently just placed a bet on this google vs. china. Read more about this at Rambodidit.blogspot.com (courteous link to this slashdot article already in place)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30940590</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1264671600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's okay, if Google wants to know about my porn searching habits I will just sleep at night amused with the knowledge that I made a Google employee uncomfortable that day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's okay , if Google wants to know about my porn searching habits I will just sleep at night amused with the knowledge that I made a Google employee uncomfortable that day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's okay, if Google wants to know about my porn searching habits I will just sleep at night amused with the knowledge that I made a Google employee uncomfortable that day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933256</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932880</id>
	<title>Poor people had to leave the USSR</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264692540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The family lived with Michael's mother in a small, three-room apartment in Moscow</i><br>OMG!!! People were living 3 people in a room at that time. WTF?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The family lived with Michael 's mother in a small , three-room apartment in MoscowOMG ! ! !
People were living 3 people in a room at that time .
WTF ? !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The family lived with Michael's mother in a small, three-room apartment in MoscowOMG!!!
People were living 3 people in a room at that time.
WTF?!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933338</id>
	<title>Re:Corporate warfare...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264694760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Find a good shrink. Seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Find a good shrink .
Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Find a good shrink.
Seriously.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933006</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933256</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>JohnFen</author>
	<datestamp>1264694340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I like using all their free stuff, and my Nexus One is the cat's pajamas.</p></div><p>Nothing Google provides is for free. You pay for everything by exchanging access to your personal information for it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like using all their free stuff , and my Nexus One is the cat 's pajamas.Nothing Google provides is for free .
You pay for everything by exchanging access to your personal information for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like using all their free stuff, and my Nexus One is the cat's pajamas.Nothing Google provides is for free.
You pay for everything by exchanging access to your personal information for it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932498</id>
	<title>Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Standing up to China takes stones.

Having said that, I am more and more afraid that they'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Standing up to China takes stones .
Having said that , I am more and more afraid that they 'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Standing up to China takes stones.
Having said that, I am more and more afraid that they'll own all of us in my lifetime anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30965538</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264846440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hong Kong has the free-est economy in the world, but there are still plenty of socialist aspects (as there should be).  There is universal health care, free education, a large percentage of people live in government-subsidized housing, and there are subsidies for the elderly and parents with young childern.  Until fairly recently, the metro system was a wholly-government owned corporation (now it's a non-voting majority shareholder).  Being blindly opposed to any socialism is disingenuous and potentially harmfully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hong Kong has the free-est economy in the world , but there are still plenty of socialist aspects ( as there should be ) .
There is universal health care , free education , a large percentage of people live in government-subsidized housing , and there are subsidies for the elderly and parents with young childern .
Until fairly recently , the metro system was a wholly-government owned corporation ( now it 's a non-voting majority shareholder ) .
Being blindly opposed to any socialism is disingenuous and potentially harmfully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hong Kong has the free-est economy in the world, but there are still plenty of socialist aspects (as there should be).
There is universal health care, free education, a large percentage of people live in government-subsidized housing, and there are subsidies for the elderly and parents with young childern.
Until fairly recently, the metro system was a wholly-government owned corporation (now it's a non-voting majority shareholder).
Being blindly opposed to any socialism is disingenuous and potentially harmfully.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932690</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30935206</id>
	<title>Do Know Evil</title>
	<author>davevr</author>
	<datestamp>1264700520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bold stand?  PLEASE.  Google makes almost all of their money in China by selling ads on their US site to Chinese companies, not from google.cn.  If they really felt China was evil, they would pull out their sales team and stop selling personal information to the "evil" Chinese.  But you notice that there is no talk of that from these jokers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bold stand ?
PLEASE. Google makes almost all of their money in China by selling ads on their US site to Chinese companies , not from google.cn .
If they really felt China was evil , they would pull out their sales team and stop selling personal information to the " evil " Chinese .
But you notice that there is no talk of that from these jokers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bold stand?
PLEASE.  Google makes almost all of their money in China by selling ads on their US site to Chinese companies, not from google.cn.
If they really felt China was evil, they would pull out their sales team and stop selling personal information to the "evil" Chinese.
But you notice that there is no talk of that from these jokers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932500</id>
	<title>Like Father Like Son</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This article by The Independent takes a look at what is behind the recent decisions made by Google regarding China, particularly regarding Sergey Brin was born in the USSR which played a big part in this decision.</p></div><p>Interesting, Sergey's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted (astronomer) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.  Now Sergey has a similar decision where he can choose either his principles or a chance at one sixth of the world's population as a market.  Should be an interesting choice.  <br> <br>

I hope he realizes that <a href="http://slashdot.org/story/10/01/23/1756220/Larry-amp-Sergey-To-Cash-In-55B-of-Google-Chips" title="slashdot.org">once he cashes in</a> [slashdot.org] the choice will no longer be his and will be a painfully obvious one for the investors.  Capitalistic greed, while much less worse than flaws of implemented Socialism, has its evils too, Sergey.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This article by The Independent takes a look at what is behind the recent decisions made by Google regarding China , particularly regarding Sergey Brin was born in the USSR which played a big part in this decision.Interesting , Sergey 's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted ( astronomer ) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers .
Now Sergey has a similar decision where he can choose either his principles or a chance at one sixth of the world 's population as a market .
Should be an interesting choice .
I hope he realizes that once he cashes in [ slashdot.org ] the choice will no longer be his and will be a painfully obvious one for the investors .
Capitalistic greed , while much less worse than flaws of implemented Socialism , has its evils too , Sergey .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article by The Independent takes a look at what is behind the recent decisions made by Google regarding China, particularly regarding Sergey Brin was born in the USSR which played a big part in this decision.Interesting, Sergey's father faced the problem of having to compromise by abandoning his faith and culture in order to get the job he wanted (astronomer) or stay Jewish and be reduced/stunted in a select set of careers.
Now Sergey has a similar decision where he can choose either his principles or a chance at one sixth of the world's population as a market.
Should be an interesting choice.
I hope he realizes that once he cashes in [slashdot.org] the choice will no longer be his and will be a painfully obvious one for the investors.
Capitalistic greed, while much less worse than flaws of implemented Socialism, has its evils too, Sergey.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933452</id>
	<title>Re:What the hell is with the summaries lately?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264695300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The submitter was born in the USSR, you insensitive clod.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The submitter was born in the USSR , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The submitter was born in the USSR, you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932984</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30936156</id>
	<title>Then is Mr Brin responsible for this?</title>
	<author>hackingbear</author>
	<datestamp>1264703040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is our new found hero responsible for great acts like <a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/1158544/Google-negotiating-ways-to-keep-presence-in-China?art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org">pleading stay</a> [slashdot.org] and <a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/1154292/Google-Re-enabled-Chinese-Censorship?art\_pos=2" title="slashdot.org">re-eanling the filtering quietly</a> [slashdot.org]. Certainly, we are allowed to know, not on the front-page.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is our new found hero responsible for great acts like pleading stay [ slashdot.org ] and re-eanling the filtering quietly [ slashdot.org ] .
Certainly , we are allowed to know , not on the front-page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is our new found hero responsible for great acts like pleading stay [slashdot.org] and re-eanling the filtering quietly [slashdot.org].
Certainly, we are allowed to know, not on the front-page.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933970</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264697100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"my Nexus One is the cat's pajamas."</p><p>a/s/l? what are you wearing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" my Nexus One is the cat 's pajamas. " a/s/l ?
what are you wearing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"my Nexus One is the cat's pajamas."a/s/l?
what are you wearing?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932678</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934804</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264699500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually, you pay when you buy the advertisers' products. marketing is a substantial position in many companies' budgets, and it certainly plays a role in price calculations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , you pay when you buy the advertisers ' products .
marketing is a substantial position in many companies ' budgets , and it certainly plays a role in price calculations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, you pay when you buy the advertisers' products.
marketing is a substantial position in many companies' budgets, and it certainly plays a role in price calculations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933256</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932690</id>
	<title>not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>roman\_mir</author>
	<datestamp>1264691220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a stern opponent to anything communist/socialist in nature, being born and raised until the age of 16 back in the non-existent USSR.  I am also against this buddy-buddy system, that apparently all of these so called capitalist societies have.  There is no principled system anywhere, in the 'communist' countries, it's basically a dictatorship and no free enterprise is allowed to compete with it, because there is no competition, the planned economy is doomed.  In the so called 'capitalist' countries now it is all about buying power in the government to push forward agenda of getting free money printed by the government.</p><p>Hong Kong seems to be the place where the society came as close as possible to the real free market system, money is created by private entities, there are competing currencies, government can't dilute the value and give preferential treatment to certain corporations, banks, etc.  You don't like what one monetary system is doing, move your business to another.  I am sure it has its problems, which I am not aware of, since I never lived there, but it seems to be the best out of everything I have seen or hear of so far.</p><p>I am not surprised that Brin is the guy who takes the principled stand and I would not be surprised to find out that he came up with the 'no evil' slogan.  It's obviously going to be a losing battle, if we know anything about people, they'll fuck up anything until it's dead, look at HP, they used to be the 'no evil' company of engineers.  I just remembered the horror stories connected to a professional firm jumping shark-ceo type, Fiorina was her name?</p><p>That's the problem, we can't live forever, so our principles die with us and there is nothing much we can do past that to promote our ideals.  We try, but looks like we fail in all cases, that's too bad.</p><p>Good luck to Brin in this battle, I don't know that even his crazy fortune can fight off this one for too long and I don't know how interested he will be in that once enough pressure is applied from enough people interested in profit motive only.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a stern opponent to anything communist/socialist in nature , being born and raised until the age of 16 back in the non-existent USSR .
I am also against this buddy-buddy system , that apparently all of these so called capitalist societies have .
There is no principled system anywhere , in the 'communist ' countries , it 's basically a dictatorship and no free enterprise is allowed to compete with it , because there is no competition , the planned economy is doomed .
In the so called 'capitalist ' countries now it is all about buying power in the government to push forward agenda of getting free money printed by the government.Hong Kong seems to be the place where the society came as close as possible to the real free market system , money is created by private entities , there are competing currencies , government ca n't dilute the value and give preferential treatment to certain corporations , banks , etc .
You do n't like what one monetary system is doing , move your business to another .
I am sure it has its problems , which I am not aware of , since I never lived there , but it seems to be the best out of everything I have seen or hear of so far.I am not surprised that Brin is the guy who takes the principled stand and I would not be surprised to find out that he came up with the 'no evil ' slogan .
It 's obviously going to be a losing battle , if we know anything about people , they 'll fuck up anything until it 's dead , look at HP , they used to be the 'no evil ' company of engineers .
I just remembered the horror stories connected to a professional firm jumping shark-ceo type , Fiorina was her name ? That 's the problem , we ca n't live forever , so our principles die with us and there is nothing much we can do past that to promote our ideals .
We try , but looks like we fail in all cases , that 's too bad.Good luck to Brin in this battle , I do n't know that even his crazy fortune can fight off this one for too long and I do n't know how interested he will be in that once enough pressure is applied from enough people interested in profit motive only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a stern opponent to anything communist/socialist in nature, being born and raised until the age of 16 back in the non-existent USSR.
I am also against this buddy-buddy system, that apparently all of these so called capitalist societies have.
There is no principled system anywhere, in the 'communist' countries, it's basically a dictatorship and no free enterprise is allowed to compete with it, because there is no competition, the planned economy is doomed.
In the so called 'capitalist' countries now it is all about buying power in the government to push forward agenda of getting free money printed by the government.Hong Kong seems to be the place where the society came as close as possible to the real free market system, money is created by private entities, there are competing currencies, government can't dilute the value and give preferential treatment to certain corporations, banks, etc.
You don't like what one monetary system is doing, move your business to another.
I am sure it has its problems, which I am not aware of, since I never lived there, but it seems to be the best out of everything I have seen or hear of so far.I am not surprised that Brin is the guy who takes the principled stand and I would not be surprised to find out that he came up with the 'no evil' slogan.
It's obviously going to be a losing battle, if we know anything about people, they'll fuck up anything until it's dead, look at HP, they used to be the 'no evil' company of engineers.
I just remembered the horror stories connected to a professional firm jumping shark-ceo type, Fiorina was her name?That's the problem, we can't live forever, so our principles die with us and there is nothing much we can do past that to promote our ideals.
We try, but looks like we fail in all cases, that's too bad.Good luck to Brin in this battle, I don't know that even his crazy fortune can fight off this one for too long and I don't know how interested he will be in that once enough pressure is applied from enough people interested in profit motive only.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934884</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1264699740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's obviously going to be a losing battle, if we know anything about people, they'll fuck up anything until it's dead, look at HP, they used to be the 'no evil' company of engineers. I just remembered the horror stories connected to a professional firm jumping shark-ceo type, Fiorina was her name?</p></div><p>Yep, I know. One good step would be if we can get corporate board of directors to no longer default to such CEOs. And yes, I know about the problems of shareholder value and agency theory:<br>
<a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/1159318/The-problems-of-the-shareholder-value-ideology" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/submission/1159318/The-problems-of-the-shareholder-value-ideology</a> [slashdot.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's obviously going to be a losing battle , if we know anything about people , they 'll fuck up anything until it 's dead , look at HP , they used to be the 'no evil ' company of engineers .
I just remembered the horror stories connected to a professional firm jumping shark-ceo type , Fiorina was her name ? Yep , I know .
One good step would be if we can get corporate board of directors to no longer default to such CEOs .
And yes , I know about the problems of shareholder value and agency theory : http : //slashdot.org/submission/1159318/The-problems-of-the-shareholder-value-ideology [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's obviously going to be a losing battle, if we know anything about people, they'll fuck up anything until it's dead, look at HP, they used to be the 'no evil' company of engineers.
I just remembered the horror stories connected to a professional firm jumping shark-ceo type, Fiorina was her name?Yep, I know.
One good step would be if we can get corporate board of directors to no longer default to such CEOs.
And yes, I know about the problems of shareholder value and agency theory:
http://slashdot.org/submission/1159318/The-problems-of-the-shareholder-value-ideology [slashdot.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933290</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>Shakrai</author>
	<datestamp>1264694460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey leftie, did you bother to read the rest of his post or did you jump out of your chair with Keith Olbermann style rage before you even finished that one sentance you quoted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey leftie , did you bother to read the rest of his post or did you jump out of your chair with Keith Olbermann style rage before you even finished that one sentance you quoted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey leftie, did you bother to read the rest of his post or did you jump out of your chair with Keith Olbermann style rage before you even finished that one sentance you quoted?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933194</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264694040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um no, <br>China owns 23.35\% of the foreign dept of the US (JA is next w/ 21.13\%), foreign dept is 27.90\% of the total public dept. <br>Giving China a grand total of 6.51\% of the total dept of the US</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_public\_debt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um no , China owns 23.35 \ % of the foreign dept of the US ( JA is next w/ 21.13 \ % ) , foreign dept is 27.90 \ % of the total public dept .
Giving China a grand total of 6.51 \ % of the total dept of the UShttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United \ _States \ _public \ _debt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um no, China owns 23.35\% of the foreign dept of the US (JA is next w/ 21.13\%), foreign dept is 27.90\% of the total public dept.
Giving China a grand total of 6.51\% of the total dept of the UShttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_public\_debt</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932472</id>
	<title>String em up!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264690140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>String up the niggers and spics!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>String up the niggers and spics !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>String up the niggers and spics!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30940062</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264670220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we owe China $1,000,000,000 then we have a problem.</p><p>If we owe China $1,000,000,000,000 then China has a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we owe China $ 1,000,000,000 then we have a problem.If we owe China $ 1,000,000,000,000 then China has a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we owe China $1,000,000,000 then we have a problem.If we owe China $1,000,000,000,000 then China has a problem.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30932648</id>
	<title>Re:Hate google or not</title>
	<author>GundamFan</author>
	<datestamp>1264690980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I didn't mean all of Slashdot... I self identify as a citizen of the United States so yes us refers to the USA. Having said that, I don't think we (the US) are the only Country on earth that is beholden to China. Time will tell how good or bad that is, but big change often hurts the little guy the most in the long run.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't mean all of Slashdot... I self identify as a citizen of the United States so yes us refers to the USA .
Having said that , I do n't think we ( the US ) are the only Country on earth that is beholden to China .
Time will tell how good or bad that is , but big change often hurts the little guy the most in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't mean all of Slashdot... I self identify as a citizen of the United States so yes us refers to the USA.
Having said that, I don't think we (the US) are the only Country on earth that is beholden to China.
Time will tell how good or bad that is, but big change often hurts the little guy the most in the long run.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933184</id>
	<title>Re:not surprised at Brin</title>
	<author>Lunix Nutcase</author>
	<datestamp>1264694040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am a stern opponent to anything communist/socialist in nature,</p> </div><p>So you eschew all police and fire services and use no public utilities correct?  Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite and use those "ebil" socialist services.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a stern opponent to anything communist/socialist in nature , So you eschew all police and fire services and use no public utilities correct ?
Would n't want you to be a hypocrite and use those " ebil " socialist services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a stern opponent to anything communist/socialist in nature, So you eschew all police and fire services and use no public utilities correct?
Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite and use those "ebil" socialist services.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934986</id>
	<title>you FAIL it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264699980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">JOiN THE GNAA!!</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>JOiN THE GNAA ! !
[ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>JOiN THE GNAA!!
[goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30933006</id>
	<title>Corporate warfare...</title>
	<author>Capt James McCarthy</author>
	<datestamp>1264693200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could these actions have been all started by Google's largest competitor Microsoft? I mean it's not out of the realm  of possibilities to think that MS would love to have the Chinese market all to themselves, by having a back room deal with the Chinese Govt to target Google.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could these actions have been all started by Google 's largest competitor Microsoft ?
I mean it 's not out of the realm of possibilities to think that MS would love to have the Chinese market all to themselves , by having a back room deal with the Chinese Govt to target Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could these actions have been all started by Google's largest competitor Microsoft?
I mean it's not out of the realm  of possibilities to think that MS would love to have the Chinese market all to themselves, by having a back room deal with the Chinese Govt to target Google.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934962</id>
	<title>Re:What the hell is with the summaries lately?!</title>
	<author>yuhong</author>
	<datestamp>1264699920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oops, it was my mistake that I made when I submitted this. Unfortunately Slashdot don't allow editing submissions after it has be submitted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oops , it was my mistake that I made when I submitted this .
Unfortunately Slashdot do n't allow editing submissions after it has be submitted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oops, it was my mistake that I made when I submitted this.
Unfortunately Slashdot don't allow editing submissions after it has be submitted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_28_1316226.30934564</id>
	<title>Re:the Lesser of evils</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1264698780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like how you praised their rejection of an authoritarian regime by instituting an authoritarian action.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how you praised their rejection of an authoritarian regime by instituting an authoritarian action .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how you praised their rejection of an authoritarian regime by instituting an authoritarian action.</sentencetext>
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