<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_27_2025244</id>
	<title>Oracle To Invest In Sun Hardware, Cut Sun Staff</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1264580520000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"There's been much speculation as to what Oracle plans to do with Sun once the all-but-certain acquisition is complete. According to separate reports on InfoWorld, Oracle has disclosed <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/187790/oracle\_to\_keep\_investing\_in\_suns\_server\_lines.html">plans to continue investing in Sun's multithreaded UltraSparc T family</a> of processors, which are used in its Niagara servers, and the M series server family, based on the Sparc64 processors developed by Fujitsu. However, Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete, <a href="http://infoworld.com/d/hardware/report-oracle-plans-hire-more-employees-it-cuts-sun-783">Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees</a> &mdash; more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce. Oracle will present its plans for Sun to the public Wednesday."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " There 's been much speculation as to what Oracle plans to do with Sun once the all-but-certain acquisition is complete .
According to separate reports on InfoWorld , Oracle has disclosed plans to continue investing in Sun 's multithreaded UltraSparc T family of processors , which are used in its Niagara servers , and the M series server family , based on the Sparc64 processors developed by Fujitsu .
However , Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete , Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees    more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce .
Oracle will present its plans for Sun to the public Wednesday .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "There's been much speculation as to what Oracle plans to do with Sun once the all-but-certain acquisition is complete.
According to separate reports on InfoWorld, Oracle has disclosed plans to continue investing in Sun's multithreaded UltraSparc T family of processors, which are used in its Niagara servers, and the M series server family, based on the Sparc64 processors developed by Fujitsu.
However, Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete, Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees — more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce.
Oracle will present its plans for Sun to the public Wednesday.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30930432</id>
	<title>Re:What about the software?</title>
	<author>ultranova</author>
	<datestamp>1264710000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Java SE 7 will include support for multi-core and better support for multiple [non-Java] languages.</p></div> </blockquote><p>How do you support multiple cores at user program level besides having threads, which Java already has?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Java SE 7 will include support for multi-core and better support for multiple [ non-Java ] languages .
How do you support multiple cores at user program level besides having threads , which Java already has ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java SE 7 will include support for multi-core and better support for multiple [non-Java] languages.
How do you support multiple cores at user program level besides having threads, which Java already has?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30931172</id>
	<title>Re:Leave those stellar objects alone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264675620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dont worry. As per this <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/0132226/Uranus-and-Neptune-May-Have-Oceans-of-Diamonds" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">story</a> [slashdot.org], everything is shiny in uranus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dont worry .
As per this story [ slashdot.org ] , everything is shiny in uranus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dont worry.
As per this story [slashdot.org], everything is shiny in uranus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925180</id>
	<title>Re:Bye bye, SunOS</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1264588560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It appears Apple is rolling their own file system for OS X. At least that's the impression I get from the job postings looking for architects with file system knowledge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It appears Apple is rolling their own file system for OS X. At least that 's the impression I get from the job postings looking for architects with file system knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It appears Apple is rolling their own file system for OS X. At least that's the impression I get from the job postings looking for architects with file system knowledge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30931766</id>
	<title>now that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264683600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Richard Littlejohn is at the Mail it does not matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Richard Littlejohn is at the Mail it does not matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Richard Littlejohn is at the Mail it does not matter.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924972</id>
	<title>Re:Employee cuts</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1264587960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think in this case the <i>Journal</i> is mistaken. Ellison just talked about this issue minutes ago, and he castigated the press for reports the Oracle plans to lay off "half Sun's workforce" (or similar). He says Oracle plans no such thing, and in fact he will be hiring 2,000 new employees, which will be more than it plans to lay off as a result of this acquisition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think in this case the Journal is mistaken .
Ellison just talked about this issue minutes ago , and he castigated the press for reports the Oracle plans to lay off " half Sun 's workforce " ( or similar ) .
He says Oracle plans no such thing , and in fact he will be hiring 2,000 new employees , which will be more than it plans to lay off as a result of this acquisition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think in this case the Journal is mistaken.
Ellison just talked about this issue minutes ago, and he castigated the press for reports the Oracle plans to lay off "half Sun's workforce" (or similar).
He says Oracle plans no such thing, and in fact he will be hiring 2,000 new employees, which will be more than it plans to lay off as a result of this acquisition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30928174</id>
	<title>Re:What Kind of 'Hiring?'</title>
	<author>eclectus</author>
	<datestamp>1264600500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Were you watching the same presentation I was?  I'm a Sun employee, and I (and others in my office) liked what we saw, and wanted more. I can't speak for others, but I'm looking forward to being part of Oracle.  He wants to hire MORE engineers, not get rid of talent.  He wants to use the compete stack of hw/sw/apps to succeed and beat a certain 3 letter company that has been spewing the FUD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Were you watching the same presentation I was ?
I 'm a Sun employee , and I ( and others in my office ) liked what we saw , and wanted more .
I ca n't speak for others , but I 'm looking forward to being part of Oracle .
He wants to hire MORE engineers , not get rid of talent .
He wants to use the compete stack of hw/sw/apps to succeed and beat a certain 3 letter company that has been spewing the FUD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Were you watching the same presentation I was?
I'm a Sun employee, and I (and others in my office) liked what we saw, and wanted more.
I can't speak for others, but I'm looking forward to being part of Oracle.
He wants to hire MORE engineers, not get rid of talent.
He wants to use the compete stack of hw/sw/apps to succeed and beat a certain 3 letter company that has been spewing the FUD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30929204</id>
	<title>Re:What Kind of 'Hiring?'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264609320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up, despite what outsider's think, there is no fear-mongering in Oracle developers. In fact, I can (and have) spoken outspokenly to very senior managers without being "afraid" - they didn't agree to what I said, but there were no repercussions because I said it.

Apologies for posting AC, but I like my privacy - and this is personal information.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up , despite what outsider 's think , there is no fear-mongering in Oracle developers .
In fact , I can ( and have ) spoken outspokenly to very senior managers without being " afraid " - they did n't agree to what I said , but there were no repercussions because I said it .
Apologies for posting AC , but I like my privacy - and this is personal information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up, despite what outsider's think, there is no fear-mongering in Oracle developers.
In fact, I can (and have) spoken outspokenly to very senior managers without being "afraid" - they didn't agree to what I said, but there were no repercussions because I said it.
Apologies for posting AC, but I like my privacy - and this is personal information.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924752</id>
	<title>"Hiring, not firing"</title>
	<author>elygre</author>
	<datestamp>1264587240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Larry just said, on the webcast, that they will be hiring about 2000 people, and that "this is twice as many as we will be firing. We're hiring, not firing".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Larry just said , on the webcast , that they will be hiring about 2000 people , and that " this is twice as many as we will be firing .
We 're hiring , not firing " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Larry just said, on the webcast, that they will be hiring about 2000 people, and that "this is twice as many as we will be firing.
We're hiring, not firing".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924938</id>
	<title>Re:What about the software?</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1264587840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All of it was mentioned, with the exception of the C, C++, and Fortran compilers.</p><ul><li>I don't remember specific plans for Solaris, other than that it will be the OS running a lot of the Oracle appliances they're talking about.</li><li>Various Java news. Integrating HotSpot with JRocket. Unifying the programming models/API for Java SE and Java ME. Java SE 7 will include support for multi-core and better support for multiple [non-Java] languages.</li><li>Netbeans goes forward as a "lightweight" dev environment, while JDeveloper is the "strategic" platform. Netbeans will get improved support for scripting, dynamic languages, and mobile.</li><li>OpenOffice.org will continue as a separate business unit. As with everything, Oracle is bragging that it plans to boost investment in it. They mentioned an Oracle Cloud Office based on OpenOffice.org, which aims to offer the same experience on the desktop, Web, and mobile (as Microsoft is talking about with Office 2010).</li></ul><p>Maybe someone else can fill in more details.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All of it was mentioned , with the exception of the C , C + + , and Fortran compilers.I do n't remember specific plans for Solaris , other than that it will be the OS running a lot of the Oracle appliances they 're talking about.Various Java news .
Integrating HotSpot with JRocket .
Unifying the programming models/API for Java SE and Java ME .
Java SE 7 will include support for multi-core and better support for multiple [ non-Java ] languages.Netbeans goes forward as a " lightweight " dev environment , while JDeveloper is the " strategic " platform .
Netbeans will get improved support for scripting , dynamic languages , and mobile.OpenOffice.org will continue as a separate business unit .
As with everything , Oracle is bragging that it plans to boost investment in it .
They mentioned an Oracle Cloud Office based on OpenOffice.org , which aims to offer the same experience on the desktop , Web , and mobile ( as Microsoft is talking about with Office 2010 ) .Maybe someone else can fill in more details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of it was mentioned, with the exception of the C, C++, and Fortran compilers.I don't remember specific plans for Solaris, other than that it will be the OS running a lot of the Oracle appliances they're talking about.Various Java news.
Integrating HotSpot with JRocket.
Unifying the programming models/API for Java SE and Java ME.
Java SE 7 will include support for multi-core and better support for multiple [non-Java] languages.Netbeans goes forward as a "lightweight" dev environment, while JDeveloper is the "strategic" platform.
Netbeans will get improved support for scripting, dynamic languages, and mobile.OpenOffice.org will continue as a separate business unit.
As with everything, Oracle is bragging that it plans to boost investment in it.
They mentioned an Oracle Cloud Office based on OpenOffice.org, which aims to offer the same experience on the desktop, Web, and mobile (as Microsoft is talking about with Office 2010).Maybe someone else can fill in more details.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925904</id>
	<title>Re:Trying to cut salaries?</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1264590660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Every time I've had to deal with Oracle products, it's painfully obvious that the people they have intentionally design their software to be difficult to support...and then they hire armies of low-skill consultants to "help" customers install their systems.</i>
<br>
<br>
From what I remember from my IT days, Oracle made sales by first sending in analysts who would look not at the customers' requirements, but what they thought the customer could afford.  While a lot of companies do that Oracle had absolutely no shame about doing it.  The only other large company that competed with them for shiftiness was CA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I 've had to deal with Oracle products , it 's painfully obvious that the people they have intentionally design their software to be difficult to support...and then they hire armies of low-skill consultants to " help " customers install their systems .
From what I remember from my IT days , Oracle made sales by first sending in analysts who would look not at the customers ' requirements , but what they thought the customer could afford .
While a lot of companies do that Oracle had absolutely no shame about doing it .
The only other large company that competed with them for shiftiness was CA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I've had to deal with Oracle products, it's painfully obvious that the people they have intentionally design their software to be difficult to support...and then they hire armies of low-skill consultants to "help" customers install their systems.
From what I remember from my IT days, Oracle made sales by first sending in analysts who would look not at the customers' requirements, but what they thought the customer could afford.
While a lot of companies do that Oracle had absolutely no shame about doing it.
The only other large company that competed with them for shiftiness was CA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30927034</id>
	<title>Re:Leave those stellar objects alone</title>
	<author>bobstreo</author>
	<datestamp>1264594320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot Pluto.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot Pluto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot Pluto.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30926116</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe now's the time to switch...</title>
	<author>williamhb</author>
	<datestamp>1264591380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>To Free/Open alternatives.  GCJ anyone?</p></div><p>But given that Sun has already GPL'ed Java -- see OpenJDK -- you'd be wasting your time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To Free/Open alternatives .
GCJ anyone ? But given that Sun has already GPL'ed Java -- see OpenJDK -- you 'd be wasting your time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To Free/Open alternatives.
GCJ anyone?But given that Sun has already GPL'ed Java -- see OpenJDK -- you'd be wasting your time.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925252</id>
	<title>Re:Employee cuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264588860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You get that from fucking the article? Curious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get that from fucking the article ?
Curious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get that from fucking the article?
Curious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924414</id>
	<title>Bye bye, SunOS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264586220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Man, we had a great run.  I'll never forget you, old BSD horse.<br><br>Dear Apple:<br><br>Buy ZFS from Oracle right now.  Thanks in advance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , we had a great run .
I 'll never forget you , old BSD horse.Dear Apple : Buy ZFS from Oracle right now .
Thanks in advance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, we had a great run.
I'll never forget you, old BSD horse.Dear Apple:Buy ZFS from Oracle right now.
Thanks in advance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30927932</id>
	<title>Re:This is bad news for Sun hardware staff.</title>
	<author>afabbro</author>
	<datestamp>1264599120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would like to see Database Transactional off-load processors down to the I/O level<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. such as TCP offload engines</p> </div><p>...which is what Oracle built with their new Database Machines, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to see Database Transactional off-load processors down to the I/O level .. such as TCP offload engines ...which is what Oracle built with their new Database Machines , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to see Database Transactional off-load processors down to the I/O level .. such as TCP offload engines ...which is what Oracle built with their new Database Machines, right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30926684</id>
	<title>Sun partners SOL</title>
	<author>rubycodez</author>
	<datestamp>1264593120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oracle wants to assume direct sales relationships with the enterprise and government clients of Sun, to get consolidated stack offering and cut out the partner middlemen.  Huge (but not unexpected) for some of us who work for value added resellers (VAR), at least my place of employment also sells the other Unix(tm) big iron, Sun becoming ever smaller piece of revenue over the past five years</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle wants to assume direct sales relationships with the enterprise and government clients of Sun , to get consolidated stack offering and cut out the partner middlemen .
Huge ( but not unexpected ) for some of us who work for value added resellers ( VAR ) , at least my place of employment also sells the other Unix ( tm ) big iron , Sun becoming ever smaller piece of revenue over the past five years</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle wants to assume direct sales relationships with the enterprise and government clients of Sun, to get consolidated stack offering and cut out the partner middlemen.
Huge (but not unexpected) for some of us who work for value added resellers (VAR), at least my place of employment also sells the other Unix(tm) big iron, Sun becoming ever smaller piece of revenue over the past five years</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30927946</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe now's the time to switch...</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1264599240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>GCJ anyone? [gnu.org]</i><br>Given that there is now a usable FOSS release of java based on the sun code that is far better than any of the independent implementations I think a better choice would be just to fork that if things go sour.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GCJ anyone ?
[ gnu.org ] Given that there is now a usable FOSS release of java based on the sun code that is far better than any of the independent implementations I think a better choice would be just to fork that if things go sour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GCJ anyone?
[gnu.org]Given that there is now a usable FOSS release of java based on the sun code that is far better than any of the independent implementations I think a better choice would be just to fork that if things go sour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924264</id>
	<title>Leave those stellar objects alone</title>
	<author>(ana!)a</author>
	<datestamp>1264585860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't believe what's happening, first <a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/os-no-moon-for-nasa-20100126,0,266846,print.story" title="orlandosentinel.com" rel="nofollow">ax the moon</a> [orlandosentinel.com], now <a href="http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/01/27/2025244/Oracle-To-Invest-In-Sun-Hardware-Cut-Sun-Staff" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">cut the sun</a> [slashdot.org], not to mention this thing <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/26/1927228/NASA-Concedes-Defeat-In-Effort-To-Free-Spirit-Rover?art\_pos=8&amp;art\_pos=8&amp;art\_pos=8" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">about mars' spirit being stuck</a> [slashdot.org].

What the hell is going on with our solar system ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe what 's happening , first ax the moon [ orlandosentinel.com ] , now cut the sun [ slashdot.org ] , not to mention this thing about mars ' spirit being stuck [ slashdot.org ] .
What the hell is going on with our solar system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe what's happening, first ax the moon [orlandosentinel.com], now cut the sun [slashdot.org], not to mention this thing about mars' spirit being stuck [slashdot.org].
What the hell is going on with our solar system ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30927504</id>
	<title>I don't know about this...</title>
	<author>Bill, Shooter of Bul</author>
	<datestamp>1264596660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't investing in SPARC processors, at this point, sound a bit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... RISC-y?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't investing in SPARC processors , at this point , sound a bit ... RISC-y ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't investing in SPARC processors, at this point, sound a bit ... RISC-y?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30928046</id>
	<title>Database machines</title>
	<author>tomhath</author>
	<datestamp>1264599900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The direction seems pretty clear: If you want an Oracle database, you buy the entire stack in one place - proprietary hardware, compilers, operating system, DBMS. That's the product they will sell.</p><p>The rest of Sun will likely disappear within a couple of years</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The direction seems pretty clear : If you want an Oracle database , you buy the entire stack in one place - proprietary hardware , compilers , operating system , DBMS .
That 's the product they will sell.The rest of Sun will likely disappear within a couple of years</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The direction seems pretty clear: If you want an Oracle database, you buy the entire stack in one place - proprietary hardware, compilers, operating system, DBMS.
That's the product they will sell.The rest of Sun will likely disappear within a couple of years</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30926950</id>
	<title>Re:Trying to cut salaries?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264594020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"My guess? Larry is going to wipe out the current long-tenure Sun employees who know everything about Sun's products and replace them with low-skilled, low-salaried n00bs."</p><p>Sun has been doing this for the past 10 years. Once they started bringing in the H1-B's, Solaris started going seriously downhill, in terms of product and marketshare.</p><p>"My further guess would be that these employees would be in lower-wage countries as well."</p><p>Probably. They outdo Sun here in this regard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" My guess ?
Larry is going to wipe out the current long-tenure Sun employees who know everything about Sun 's products and replace them with low-skilled , low-salaried n00bs .
" Sun has been doing this for the past 10 years .
Once they started bringing in the H1-B 's , Solaris started going seriously downhill , in terms of product and marketshare .
" My further guess would be that these employees would be in lower-wage countries as well. " Probably .
They outdo Sun here in this regard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"My guess?
Larry is going to wipe out the current long-tenure Sun employees who know everything about Sun's products and replace them with low-skilled, low-salaried n00bs.
"Sun has been doing this for the past 10 years.
Once they started bringing in the H1-B's, Solaris started going seriously downhill, in terms of product and marketshare.
"My further guess would be that these employees would be in lower-wage countries as well."Probably.
They outdo Sun here in this regard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30935438</id>
	<title>It's normal Larry spin</title>
	<author>theendlessnow</author>
	<datestamp>1264701060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oracle usually waits about a year before eliminating acquired personnel.</p><p>The 2000 sales people increase is foolish in my estimation for a company that is Oracle's size.  Naturally it MUST be short term.  Companies the size of Oracle generate sales revenue through channels, and not through direct sales.</p><p>I predict the end of Ellison in less than 3 years.  And... it might lead to the death of Oracle in 5 years or so....</p><p>Probably NOT was Larry was thinking.  I could be wrong...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle usually waits about a year before eliminating acquired personnel.The 2000 sales people increase is foolish in my estimation for a company that is Oracle 's size .
Naturally it MUST be short term .
Companies the size of Oracle generate sales revenue through channels , and not through direct sales.I predict the end of Ellison in less than 3 years .
And... it might lead to the death of Oracle in 5 years or so....Probably NOT was Larry was thinking .
I could be wrong.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle usually waits about a year before eliminating acquired personnel.The 2000 sales people increase is foolish in my estimation for a company that is Oracle's size.
Naturally it MUST be short term.
Companies the size of Oracle generate sales revenue through channels, and not through direct sales.I predict the end of Ellison in less than 3 years.
And... it might lead to the death of Oracle in 5 years or so....Probably NOT was Larry was thinking.
I could be wrong...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30926054</id>
	<title>Re:What about the software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264591140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, I have a very difficult time considering MySQL to be Sun-caliber software.</p><p>Frankly, that acquisition has already gone down in history as one of the biggest tech industry blunders of all time. Sun gave up a lot of money, and in return got a completely shitty product. I mean, MySQL isn't just a bad database system. It goes out of its way to be fucking stupid whenever it can. The mere fact that MyISAM doesn't support transactions and foreign key constraints makes it a complete joke. Even SQLite now supports both of those!</p><p>Sun could have done much better for themselves, and for their customers, had they invested even just a small fraction of that money into the development of PostgreSQL. Unlike MySQL, PostgreSQL is the type of professional database system that would have fit in really well with their Solaris and Java offerings.</p><p>Regardless of what Oracle says now, I hope they kill off MySQL as quickly as possible. MySQL is a disease, and needs to be eliminated. It is responsible for more corrupt and lost data than basically anything else in history. And it's something that Oracle doesn't need associated with them, given that Oracle's database products are basically the complete opposite of MySQL in every way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , I have a very difficult time considering MySQL to be Sun-caliber software.Frankly , that acquisition has already gone down in history as one of the biggest tech industry blunders of all time .
Sun gave up a lot of money , and in return got a completely shitty product .
I mean , MySQL is n't just a bad database system .
It goes out of its way to be fucking stupid whenever it can .
The mere fact that MyISAM does n't support transactions and foreign key constraints makes it a complete joke .
Even SQLite now supports both of those ! Sun could have done much better for themselves , and for their customers , had they invested even just a small fraction of that money into the development of PostgreSQL .
Unlike MySQL , PostgreSQL is the type of professional database system that would have fit in really well with their Solaris and Java offerings.Regardless of what Oracle says now , I hope they kill off MySQL as quickly as possible .
MySQL is a disease , and needs to be eliminated .
It is responsible for more corrupt and lost data than basically anything else in history .
And it 's something that Oracle does n't need associated with them , given that Oracle 's database products are basically the complete opposite of MySQL in every way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, I have a very difficult time considering MySQL to be Sun-caliber software.Frankly, that acquisition has already gone down in history as one of the biggest tech industry blunders of all time.
Sun gave up a lot of money, and in return got a completely shitty product.
I mean, MySQL isn't just a bad database system.
It goes out of its way to be fucking stupid whenever it can.
The mere fact that MyISAM doesn't support transactions and foreign key constraints makes it a complete joke.
Even SQLite now supports both of those!Sun could have done much better for themselves, and for their customers, had they invested even just a small fraction of that money into the development of PostgreSQL.
Unlike MySQL, PostgreSQL is the type of professional database system that would have fit in really well with their Solaris and Java offerings.Regardless of what Oracle says now, I hope they kill off MySQL as quickly as possible.
MySQL is a disease, and needs to be eliminated.
It is responsible for more corrupt and lost data than basically anything else in history.
And it's something that Oracle doesn't need associated with them, given that Oracle's database products are basically the complete opposite of MySQL in every way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924132</id>
	<title>Trying to cut salaries?</title>
	<author>ErichTheRed</author>
	<datestamp>1264585440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what the motivation here is. Oracle isn't exactly known as a warm and fuzzy employer. Every time I've had to deal with Oracle products, it's painfully obvious that the people they have intentionally design their software to be difficult to support...and then they hire armies of low-skill consultants to "help" customers install their systems.</p><p>(And yes, I understand enterprise-grade software is complex. However, needing someone to guide you through all the quirks in the products or documentation just to get a proof of concept going is sad. I think SAP may be the only worse company in this "doesn't work out of the box" category.)</p><p>My guess? Larry is going to wipe out the current long-tenure Sun employees who know everything about Sun's products and replace them with low-skilled, low-salaried n00bs. My further guess would be that these employees would be in lower-wage countries as well.</p><p>IBM has been doing stuff like this for a while, from what I've heard...including offering people permanent one-way transfers to India along with the appropriate salary cut. Every time one of these crazy schemes comes to light, I really wonder what I should do with the rest of my career...I have at least 30 years until I retire!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what the motivation here is .
Oracle is n't exactly known as a warm and fuzzy employer .
Every time I 've had to deal with Oracle products , it 's painfully obvious that the people they have intentionally design their software to be difficult to support...and then they hire armies of low-skill consultants to " help " customers install their systems .
( And yes , I understand enterprise-grade software is complex .
However , needing someone to guide you through all the quirks in the products or documentation just to get a proof of concept going is sad .
I think SAP may be the only worse company in this " does n't work out of the box " category .
) My guess ?
Larry is going to wipe out the current long-tenure Sun employees who know everything about Sun 's products and replace them with low-skilled , low-salaried n00bs .
My further guess would be that these employees would be in lower-wage countries as well.IBM has been doing stuff like this for a while , from what I 've heard...including offering people permanent one-way transfers to India along with the appropriate salary cut .
Every time one of these crazy schemes comes to light , I really wonder what I should do with the rest of my career...I have at least 30 years until I retire !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what the motivation here is.
Oracle isn't exactly known as a warm and fuzzy employer.
Every time I've had to deal with Oracle products, it's painfully obvious that the people they have intentionally design their software to be difficult to support...and then they hire armies of low-skill consultants to "help" customers install their systems.
(And yes, I understand enterprise-grade software is complex.
However, needing someone to guide you through all the quirks in the products or documentation just to get a proof of concept going is sad.
I think SAP may be the only worse company in this "doesn't work out of the box" category.
)My guess?
Larry is going to wipe out the current long-tenure Sun employees who know everything about Sun's products and replace them with low-skilled, low-salaried n00bs.
My further guess would be that these employees would be in lower-wage countries as well.IBM has been doing stuff like this for a while, from what I've heard...including offering people permanent one-way transfers to India along with the appropriate salary cut.
Every time one of these crazy schemes comes to light, I really wonder what I should do with the rest of my career...I have at least 30 years until I retire!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924594</id>
	<title>2000 new hires</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1264586820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>2 chip desiners, and 1998 support consultants.</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 chip desiners , and 1998 support consultants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 chip desiners, and 1998 support consultants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925084</id>
	<title>Re:What about the software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264588260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is their C/C++/FORTRAN compiler (I assume they all use the same optimization backend) any good in terms of optimization? Does it beat GCC in any significant way?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is their C/C + + /FORTRAN compiler ( I assume they all use the same optimization backend ) any good in terms of optimization ?
Does it beat GCC in any significant way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is their C/C++/FORTRAN compiler (I assume they all use the same optimization backend) any good in terms of optimization?
Does it beat GCC in any significant way?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30927700</id>
	<title>Re:Leave those stellar objects alone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264597800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It all went down Uranus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It all went down Uranus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It all went down Uranus.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925106</id>
	<title>Re:What about the software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264588320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What about all of Sun's software? Solaris? Java? NetBeans? Their C, C++ and FORTRAN compilers? OpenOffice.org?</p></div><p>MySQL?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all of Sun 's software ?
Solaris ? Java ?
NetBeans ? Their C , C + + and FORTRAN compilers ?
OpenOffice.org ? MySQL ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all of Sun's software?
Solaris? Java?
NetBeans? Their C, C++ and FORTRAN compilers?
OpenOffice.org?MySQL?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925470</id>
	<title>This happens alot</title>
	<author>Stregano</author>
	<datestamp>1264589460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whether we like it or not, it happens.  Fire the people making a bunch of money and hire younger people or outsource to cut costs.
<br> <br>
I guess I am new to this industry, but I have seen this multiple times.  I always thought making more money had to do with delivering good products on a good time, and not firing people to make up the difference.  I guess I am still new since I think that idea is messed up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether we like it or not , it happens .
Fire the people making a bunch of money and hire younger people or outsource to cut costs .
I guess I am new to this industry , but I have seen this multiple times .
I always thought making more money had to do with delivering good products on a good time , and not firing people to make up the difference .
I guess I am still new since I think that idea is messed up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether we like it or not, it happens.
Fire the people making a bunch of money and hire younger people or outsource to cut costs.
I guess I am new to this industry, but I have seen this multiple times.
I always thought making more money had to do with delivering good products on a good time, and not firing people to make up the difference.
I guess I am still new since I think that idea is messed up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925312</id>
	<title>cut staff?</title>
	<author>farble1670</author>
	<datestamp>1264588980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there has been no announcement about cutting staff, internal or external. "analysts" have speculated that oracle make deep cuts (up to 50\%), but oracle has flatly denied that.</p><p>hello editor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there has been no announcement about cutting staff , internal or external .
" analysts " have speculated that oracle make deep cuts ( up to 50 \ % ) , but oracle has flatly denied that.hello editor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there has been no announcement about cutting staff, internal or external.
"analysts" have speculated that oracle make deep cuts (up to 50\%), but oracle has flatly denied that.hello editor?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30953206</id>
	<title>Last Post</title>
	<author>Vengeful weenie</author>
	<datestamp>1264794960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On behalf of Sun...</htmltext>
<tokenext>On behalf of Sun.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On behalf of Sun...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925054</id>
	<title>Re:All I know about that is...</title>
	<author>twiddlingbits</author>
	<datestamp>1264588200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sun has had X86 Intel and AMD servers for about 3 to 4 yrs now. Mutli-core CPU and multi CPU both. And blades. Of course they also had a lot of advanced features that made them expensive, and HP/Dell and sometimes IBM killed them on price at the 2 to 4 CPU low end pizza boxes. But you can't say they aren't "established".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sun has had X86 Intel and AMD servers for about 3 to 4 yrs now .
Mutli-core CPU and multi CPU both .
And blades .
Of course they also had a lot of advanced features that made them expensive , and HP/Dell and sometimes IBM killed them on price at the 2 to 4 CPU low end pizza boxes .
But you ca n't say they are n't " established " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sun has had X86 Intel and AMD servers for about 3 to 4 yrs now.
Mutli-core CPU and multi CPU both.
And blades.
Of course they also had a lot of advanced features that made them expensive, and HP/Dell and sometimes IBM killed them on price at the 2 to 4 CPU low end pizza boxes.
But you can't say they aren't "established".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925998</id>
	<title>This is bad news for Sun hardware staff.</title>
	<author>Usagi\_yo</author>
	<datestamp>1264590960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sparc is dead (at least I hope so)  as far as U.S development is concerned.  Sun pissed away too much money developing Sparc chipsets post 1999/2001 -- when it became clear that X86 architecture was coming into its own.  Sun should have stuck with AMD and explored more ways to make Enterprise versions of X86.  Spending more R&amp;D money in an ever shrinking niche market when off the shelf components were making leaps and bounds was not a good business decision.  I certainly hope Oracle doesn't intend on going down this proven money sink<p> hole.</p><p>

M4/M5 and DC series are almost exclusively designed by Fujitsu, except for some odds and ends "thrown as a bone" to Sun.  Things like Power supply Specifications, choice of which DVD drives and Disk Drives to use, non-active component boards,  and *some* U.S agency compliance responsibilities  made me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... uhhh,  Sun Engineers feel like we were becoming sustaining Engineering people for a product we had little to absolutely no design control or responsibility for.  Oh yea, well we did get to design some power cords.  Woo Hoo!  Power cord engineering is what I<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... uh, they wanted to do after 15 years of Systems Engineering experience.
</p><p>
I don't know how it's going to work for Sun Hardware Engineering when under Oracle.  I think they are smart people and have a different perspective then what was developed at Sun from the bubble burst to now -- But I hope they have something synergistic in mind, rather then Bifurcated product lines.  I would like to see Database Transactional off-load processors down to the I/O level<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. such as TCP offload engines and specialty I/O designed to deliver transactional data directly to the clients.
</p><p>
As for sideline products, I expect things like Java to be spun off and sold to interested 3rd parties, while I believe Solaris will be kept and well supported for a good while yet as probably government dictated conditions of the merger.  Governments don't like when their support disapears over night for things they intended on using for a long time.  Open office is a popular alternative to the expensive and bloated MS Office so I think Oracle will keep Staroffice and try to make something of it.  Mysql will be supported in name only, and don't be surprised if starts to look more and more like Oracle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sparc is dead ( at least I hope so ) as far as U.S development is concerned .
Sun pissed away too much money developing Sparc chipsets post 1999/2001 -- when it became clear that X86 architecture was coming into its own .
Sun should have stuck with AMD and explored more ways to make Enterprise versions of X86 .
Spending more R&amp;D money in an ever shrinking niche market when off the shelf components were making leaps and bounds was not a good business decision .
I certainly hope Oracle does n't intend on going down this proven money sink hole .
M4/M5 and DC series are almost exclusively designed by Fujitsu , except for some odds and ends " thrown as a bone " to Sun .
Things like Power supply Specifications , choice of which DVD drives and Disk Drives to use , non-active component boards , and * some * U.S agency compliance responsibilities made me ..... uhhh , Sun Engineers feel like we were becoming sustaining Engineering people for a product we had little to absolutely no design control or responsibility for .
Oh yea , well we did get to design some power cords .
Woo Hoo !
Power cord engineering is what I ... uh , they wanted to do after 15 years of Systems Engineering experience .
I do n't know how it 's going to work for Sun Hardware Engineering when under Oracle .
I think they are smart people and have a different perspective then what was developed at Sun from the bubble burst to now -- But I hope they have something synergistic in mind , rather then Bifurcated product lines .
I would like to see Database Transactional off-load processors down to the I/O level .. such as TCP offload engines and specialty I/O designed to deliver transactional data directly to the clients .
As for sideline products , I expect things like Java to be spun off and sold to interested 3rd parties , while I believe Solaris will be kept and well supported for a good while yet as probably government dictated conditions of the merger .
Governments do n't like when their support disapears over night for things they intended on using for a long time .
Open office is a popular alternative to the expensive and bloated MS Office so I think Oracle will keep Staroffice and try to make something of it .
Mysql will be supported in name only , and do n't be surprised if starts to look more and more like Oracle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sparc is dead (at least I hope so)  as far as U.S development is concerned.
Sun pissed away too much money developing Sparc chipsets post 1999/2001 -- when it became clear that X86 architecture was coming into its own.
Sun should have stuck with AMD and explored more ways to make Enterprise versions of X86.
Spending more R&amp;D money in an ever shrinking niche market when off the shelf components were making leaps and bounds was not a good business decision.
I certainly hope Oracle doesn't intend on going down this proven money sink hole.
M4/M5 and DC series are almost exclusively designed by Fujitsu, except for some odds and ends "thrown as a bone" to Sun.
Things like Power supply Specifications, choice of which DVD drives and Disk Drives to use, non-active component boards,  and *some* U.S agency compliance responsibilities  made me ..... uhhh,  Sun Engineers feel like we were becoming sustaining Engineering people for a product we had little to absolutely no design control or responsibility for.
Oh yea, well we did get to design some power cords.
Woo Hoo!
Power cord engineering is what I ... uh, they wanted to do after 15 years of Systems Engineering experience.
I don't know how it's going to work for Sun Hardware Engineering when under Oracle.
I think they are smart people and have a different perspective then what was developed at Sun from the bubble burst to now -- But I hope they have something synergistic in mind, rather then Bifurcated product lines.
I would like to see Database Transactional off-load processors down to the I/O level .. such as TCP offload engines and specialty I/O designed to deliver transactional data directly to the clients.
As for sideline products, I expect things like Java to be spun off and sold to interested 3rd parties, while I believe Solaris will be kept and well supported for a good while yet as probably government dictated conditions of the merger.
Governments don't like when their support disapears over night for things they intended on using for a long time.
Open office is a popular alternative to the expensive and bloated MS Office so I think Oracle will keep Staroffice and try to make something of it.
Mysql will be supported in name only, and don't be surprised if starts to look more and more like Oracle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924028</id>
	<title>Employee cuts</title>
	<author>mu51c10rd</author>
	<datestamp>1264585080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>However, Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete, Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees &mdash; more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce. </i></p><p>This is not right from the article. Oracle plans on hiring 2000 employees, but they plan on reducing Sun's headcount by more than that. Hope those Sun employees pick up jobs quick in this rough economy...</p><p>From FTA:</p><p><i>Ellison told The Wall Street Journal that Oracle plans to take on 2,000 new employees - but that it will reduce Sun's head count by a larger number.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However , Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete , Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees    more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce .
This is not right from the article .
Oracle plans on hiring 2000 employees , but they plan on reducing Sun 's headcount by more than that .
Hope those Sun employees pick up jobs quick in this rough economy...From FTA : Ellison told The Wall Street Journal that Oracle plans to take on 2,000 new employees - but that it will reduce Sun 's head count by a larger number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, Larry Ellison has reportedly said that once the Sun acquisition is complete, Oracle will hire 2,000 new employees — more people than it expects to cut from the Sun workforce.
This is not right from the article.
Oracle plans on hiring 2000 employees, but they plan on reducing Sun's headcount by more than that.
Hope those Sun employees pick up jobs quick in this rough economy...From FTA:Ellison told The Wall Street Journal that Oracle plans to take on 2,000 new employees - but that it will reduce Sun's head count by a larger number.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924990</id>
	<title>Name change to "Sun Oracle"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264587960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many predictions from the Oracle at Delphi were supposedly <a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/08/0814\_delphioracle.html" title="nationalgeographic.com" rel="nofollow">inspired</a> [nationalgeographic.com] by escaping gas vapors.</p><p>Will in the future people ask of the 'Sun Oracle' - "What were you guys smokin?".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many predictions from the Oracle at Delphi were supposedly inspired [ nationalgeographic.com ] by escaping gas vapors.Will in the future people ask of the 'Sun Oracle ' - " What were you guys smokin ?
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many predictions from the Oracle at Delphi were supposedly inspired [nationalgeographic.com] by escaping gas vapors.Will in the future people ask of the 'Sun Oracle' - "What were you guys smokin?
".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925526</id>
	<title>Re:Trying to cut salaries?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264589640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've thought about this too.

I think, once I've got my student loans paid off, and my next couple of degrees finished, that I might look at work in developing nations. Making $15K a year doesn't sound like much, but if you can live well in the area for $10K, it's a good deal; I'd rather have a maid and chauffeur in Bangalore than a 200ft^2 apartment in NYC, know what I mean? The more money I end up making, the more I realize my motivation is to live well and have technical challenges- the actual paycheck is just a barometer for that sort of thing. There will never be an escape from dealing with corporate slime, but in developing nations at least what you're doing is exciting, or new, or important. 20 years from now, who's going to be hiring people for their space flight control center?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've thought about this too .
I think , once I 've got my student loans paid off , and my next couple of degrees finished , that I might look at work in developing nations .
Making $ 15K a year does n't sound like much , but if you can live well in the area for $ 10K , it 's a good deal ; I 'd rather have a maid and chauffeur in Bangalore than a 200ft ^ 2 apartment in NYC , know what I mean ?
The more money I end up making , the more I realize my motivation is to live well and have technical challenges- the actual paycheck is just a barometer for that sort of thing .
There will never be an escape from dealing with corporate slime , but in developing nations at least what you 're doing is exciting , or new , or important .
20 years from now , who 's going to be hiring people for their space flight control center ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've thought about this too.
I think, once I've got my student loans paid off, and my next couple of degrees finished, that I might look at work in developing nations.
Making $15K a year doesn't sound like much, but if you can live well in the area for $10K, it's a good deal; I'd rather have a maid and chauffeur in Bangalore than a 200ft^2 apartment in NYC, know what I mean?
The more money I end up making, the more I realize my motivation is to live well and have technical challenges- the actual paycheck is just a barometer for that sort of thing.
There will never be an escape from dealing with corporate slime, but in developing nations at least what you're doing is exciting, or new, or important.
20 years from now, who's going to be hiring people for their space flight control center?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925406</id>
	<title>Re:What about the software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264589280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Netbeans is going to stay... as the LIGHTWEIGHT development environment... Muhahahahahahahahaha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Netbeans is going to stay... as the LIGHTWEIGHT development environment... Muhahahahahahahahaha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Netbeans is going to stay... as the LIGHTWEIGHT development environment... Muhahahahahahahahaha</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30923944</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924396</id>
	<title>Re:All I know about that is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264586160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're doing the opposite here. IBM does make good hardware, but their blade systems are horrible for the customized work we do. Sun's blade solutions have been easier to manage and work with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're doing the opposite here .
IBM does make good hardware , but their blade systems are horrible for the customized work we do .
Sun 's blade solutions have been easier to manage and work with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're doing the opposite here.
IBM does make good hardware, but their blade systems are horrible for the customized work we do.
Sun's blade solutions have been easier to manage and work with.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924114</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924676</id>
	<title>Today's the 27th.</title>
	<author>starbugs</author>
	<datestamp>1264587000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are we linking to articles from yesterday about what has <a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.htm" title="oracle.com">happened</a> [oracle.com] today?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are we linking to articles from yesterday about what has happened [ oracle.com ] today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are we linking to articles from yesterday about what has happened [oracle.com] today?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924282</id>
	<title>Maybe now's the time to switch...</title>
	<author>sticks\_us</author>
	<datestamp>1264585860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To Free/Open alternatives.</p><p>I think I like Oracle even *less* than Microsoft, and that's saying something.</p><p><a href="http://gcc.gnu.org/java/index.html" title="gnu.org">GCJ anyone?</a> [gnu.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To Free/Open alternatives.I think I like Oracle even * less * than Microsoft , and that 's saying something.GCJ anyone ?
[ gnu.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To Free/Open alternatives.I think I like Oracle even *less* than Microsoft, and that's saying something.GCJ anyone?
[gnu.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924336</id>
	<title>Employing more staff than they're cutting?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1264586040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let me guess, they're removing more senior staff and taking on cheap young and or foreign staff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess , they 're removing more senior staff and taking on cheap young and or foreign staff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess, they're removing more senior staff and taking on cheap young and or foreign staff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924372</id>
	<title>Re:What Kind of 'Hiring?'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264586160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As an Oracle employee, I can tell you "fear-based fealty" is not at all how Oracle works.  They have a long history of acquisitions, and the strategy is always the same:  Keep the best and brightest from the acquired company, and let everyone else go.  Heck, they've bought entire companies before specifically so they could get their best engineers (virtual iron).  They're practically obsessed with getting the best people, not the best bootlickers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As an Oracle employee , I can tell you " fear-based fealty " is not at all how Oracle works .
They have a long history of acquisitions , and the strategy is always the same : Keep the best and brightest from the acquired company , and let everyone else go .
Heck , they 've bought entire companies before specifically so they could get their best engineers ( virtual iron ) .
They 're practically obsessed with getting the best people , not the best bootlickers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an Oracle employee, I can tell you "fear-based fealty" is not at all how Oracle works.
They have a long history of acquisitions, and the strategy is always the same:  Keep the best and brightest from the acquired company, and let everyone else go.
Heck, they've bought entire companies before specifically so they could get their best engineers (virtual iron).
They're practically obsessed with getting the best people, not the best bootlickers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30923944</id>
	<title>What about the software?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264584840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about all of Sun's software? Solaris? Java? NetBeans? Their C, C++ and FORTRAN compilers? OpenOffice.org?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all of Sun 's software ?
Solaris ? Java ?
NetBeans ? Their C , C + + and FORTRAN compilers ?
OpenOffice.org ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all of Sun's software?
Solaris? Java?
NetBeans? Their C, C++ and FORTRAN compilers?
OpenOffice.org?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924026</id>
	<title>What Kind of 'Hiring?'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264585080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds to me like he'll axe the long-time Sun employees, instill an environment of fear-based fealty and then replace workers.</p><p>I also wonder if this wasn't part quid-pro-quo for getting the merger approved.</p><p>I see green shoots!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds to me like he 'll axe the long-time Sun employees , instill an environment of fear-based fealty and then replace workers.I also wonder if this was n't part quid-pro-quo for getting the merger approved.I see green shoots !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds to me like he'll axe the long-time Sun employees, instill an environment of fear-based fealty and then replace workers.I also wonder if this wasn't part quid-pro-quo for getting the merger approved.I see green shoots!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924062</id>
	<title>Hire 2000?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264585260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That might be more people than *Oracle* plans to sack, but Sun has been cutting people left right and center to stay afloat while this whole thing was going through.  Larry Ellison can spin it however he wants, but there's definitely been a net loss of jobs since the whole ordeal began.  I'm glad to finally see this go through though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That might be more people than * Oracle * plans to sack , but Sun has been cutting people left right and center to stay afloat while this whole thing was going through .
Larry Ellison can spin it however he wants , but there 's definitely been a net loss of jobs since the whole ordeal began .
I 'm glad to finally see this go through though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That might be more people than *Oracle* plans to sack, but Sun has been cutting people left right and center to stay afloat while this whole thing was going through.
Larry Ellison can spin it however he wants, but there's definitely been a net loss of jobs since the whole ordeal began.
I'm glad to finally see this go through though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30927730</id>
	<title>Glad to see Niagara continuing</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1264597920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Niagara boxes are really all that and more. One chip, 12 cores, 96 threads in a 1U server. My work serves a pile of Java servlet based websites, so these are just the thing for the job. They spend most of their time twiddling their thumbs and barely breaking a sweat - the previous generation is three V240s that are running flat-out. Yeah, we've got capacity for a while. We're about to get a Niagara-based build server as well, to replace the present V210 - only a 32-thread model, but that should still make stuff finish in roughly the blink of an eye.</p><p>Sun x86 is pretty good too - price-competitive with equivalent Dells, service about as good IME. Always good to keep a mix of vendors in the server room for the field engineers to see.</p><p>Mind you, with nine years' Solaris on my CV, it's just as well I've been brushing up my Linux. Not that I don't trust you implicitly, Mr Ellison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Niagara boxes are really all that and more .
One chip , 12 cores , 96 threads in a 1U server .
My work serves a pile of Java servlet based websites , so these are just the thing for the job .
They spend most of their time twiddling their thumbs and barely breaking a sweat - the previous generation is three V240s that are running flat-out .
Yeah , we 've got capacity for a while .
We 're about to get a Niagara-based build server as well , to replace the present V210 - only a 32-thread model , but that should still make stuff finish in roughly the blink of an eye.Sun x86 is pretty good too - price-competitive with equivalent Dells , service about as good IME .
Always good to keep a mix of vendors in the server room for the field engineers to see.Mind you , with nine years ' Solaris on my CV , it 's just as well I 've been brushing up my Linux .
Not that I do n't trust you implicitly , Mr Ellison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Niagara boxes are really all that and more.
One chip, 12 cores, 96 threads in a 1U server.
My work serves a pile of Java servlet based websites, so these are just the thing for the job.
They spend most of their time twiddling their thumbs and barely breaking a sweat - the previous generation is three V240s that are running flat-out.
Yeah, we've got capacity for a while.
We're about to get a Niagara-based build server as well, to replace the present V210 - only a 32-thread model, but that should still make stuff finish in roughly the blink of an eye.Sun x86 is pretty good too - price-competitive with equivalent Dells, service about as good IME.
Always good to keep a mix of vendors in the server room for the field engineers to see.Mind you, with nine years' Solaris on my CV, it's just as well I've been brushing up my Linux.
Not that I don't trust you implicitly, Mr Ellison.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30929692</id>
	<title>GCJ?</title>
	<author>2starr</author>
	<datestamp>1264614420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GCJ really fulfills an entirely different purpose (compilation of Java to native binaries). If you're looking for an open source alternative, you could look at <a href="http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main\_Page" title="classpath.org">IcedTea</a> [classpath.org], however Java is open source now so you could just use <a href="http://openjdk.java.net/" title="java.net">the original</a> [java.net].</htmltext>
<tokenext>GCJ really fulfills an entirely different purpose ( compilation of Java to native binaries ) .
If you 're looking for an open source alternative , you could look at IcedTea [ classpath.org ] , however Java is open source now so you could just use the original [ java.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GCJ really fulfills an entirely different purpose (compilation of Java to native binaries).
If you're looking for an open source alternative, you could look at IcedTea [classpath.org], however Java is open source now so you could just use the original [java.net].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30930410</id>
	<title>Re:What Kind of 'Hiring?'</title>
	<author>Chappsterr</author>
	<datestamp>1264709820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work at a large exchange in Chicago..  We had about five Sun technicians who worked on our servers with any hardware issues. Great guys, all of them. Any issue we had, they'd almost guarantee to fix it.  Then Sun let them go, and forced the software division to come out and work on our equipment. Now we have about 10 new guys, all software-side.  They give us horrible support and have to call their helpdesk every ten minutes to fix any issue they haven't seen yet. It takes probably three times as long for any issue to fix itself nowadays.
<p>Thanks, Sun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at a large exchange in Chicago.. We had about five Sun technicians who worked on our servers with any hardware issues .
Great guys , all of them .
Any issue we had , they 'd almost guarantee to fix it .
Then Sun let them go , and forced the software division to come out and work on our equipment .
Now we have about 10 new guys , all software-side .
They give us horrible support and have to call their helpdesk every ten minutes to fix any issue they have n't seen yet .
It takes probably three times as long for any issue to fix itself nowadays .
Thanks , Sun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at a large exchange in Chicago..  We had about five Sun technicians who worked on our servers with any hardware issues.
Great guys, all of them.
Any issue we had, they'd almost guarantee to fix it.
Then Sun let them go, and forced the software division to come out and work on our equipment.
Now we have about 10 new guys, all software-side.
They give us horrible support and have to call their helpdesk every ten minutes to fix any issue they haven't seen yet.
It takes probably three times as long for any issue to fix itself nowadays.
Thanks, Sun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30926300</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe now's the time to switch...</title>
	<author>rzei</author>
	<datestamp>1264591920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps you were trying to spell out OpenJDK or Apache Harmony. GCJ is not... exactly the way to go -- it might had seem like it was before hotspot, but not anymore. I'd never run any of my java code on other than vm because of all the online optimization support.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you were trying to spell out OpenJDK or Apache Harmony .
GCJ is not... exactly the way to go -- it might had seem like it was before hotspot , but not anymore .
I 'd never run any of my java code on other than vm because of all the online optimization support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you were trying to spell out OpenJDK or Apache Harmony.
GCJ is not... exactly the way to go -- it might had seem like it was before hotspot, but not anymore.
I'd never run any of my java code on other than vm because of all the online optimization support.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30928288</id>
	<title>Meet the new DEC</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264601280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(vertically integrated stack, what everyone else is offering is laughable shit, The Man himself says so)</p><p>Same as the old DEC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( vertically integrated stack , what everyone else is offering is laughable shit , The Man himself says so ) Same as the old DEC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(vertically integrated stack, what everyone else is offering is laughable shit, The Man himself says so)Same as the old DEC.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30925742</id>
	<title>Investment Opportunity</title>
	<author>twmcneil</author>
	<datestamp>1264590180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Go short in where ever My Little Pony ends up next.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Go short in where ever My Little Pony ends up next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go short in where ever My Little Pony ends up next.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924740</id>
	<title>Re:What Kind of 'Hiring?'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264587180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, green. Like the green in McNeeley's and Schwartz's pockets. Hey there Scott, lets have a few more Microsoft jokes, they can't steal your customers any longer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , green .
Like the green in McNeeley 's and Schwartz 's pockets .
Hey there Scott , lets have a few more Microsoft jokes , they ca n't steal your customers any longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, green.
Like the green in McNeeley's and Schwartz's pockets.
Hey there Scott, lets have a few more Microsoft jokes, they can't steal your customers any longer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30924114</id>
	<title>All I know about that is...</title>
	<author>Third Position</author>
	<datestamp>1264585380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is that the shop I work in is replacing it's Sun, HPUX and AIX servers with Red Hat Linux clusters hand over fist. HP and IBM are making up the lost revenue selling us blade servers, which pretty much leaves Sun out in the cold, given that Sun hasn't really established themselves on commodity hardware. Sun's servers are great, of course, but I'm guessing that without a competitive commodity platform to get their foot in the door, they aren't going to be making most customers A list of vendors when they go shopping for high end hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is that the shop I work in is replacing it 's Sun , HPUX and AIX servers with Red Hat Linux clusters hand over fist .
HP and IBM are making up the lost revenue selling us blade servers , which pretty much leaves Sun out in the cold , given that Sun has n't really established themselves on commodity hardware .
Sun 's servers are great , of course , but I 'm guessing that without a competitive commodity platform to get their foot in the door , they are n't going to be making most customers A list of vendors when they go shopping for high end hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is that the shop I work in is replacing it's Sun, HPUX and AIX servers with Red Hat Linux clusters hand over fist.
HP and IBM are making up the lost revenue selling us blade servers, which pretty much leaves Sun out in the cold, given that Sun hasn't really established themselves on commodity hardware.
Sun's servers are great, of course, but I'm guessing that without a competitive commodity platform to get their foot in the door, they aren't going to be making most customers A list of vendors when they go shopping for high end hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_27_2025244.30928020</id>
	<title>Re:Bye bye, SunOS</title>
	<author>El\_Oscuro</author>
	<datestamp>1264599720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not sure about this:
<p>About 2 years ago, I had a government project to migrate a 6 node Oracle database running Red Hat on current x64 hardware to a single Sun SPARC.  After doing the migration, I figured out why:  The single SPARC utterly annihilated the X64 cluster in performance.</p><p>More recently, look at the Oracle 11g release schedule:</p><ol>
<li>Aug-2009: Linux (all hardware architectures)</li>
<li>Nov-2009: Sun SPARC</li>
<li>Dec-2009: HP-UX, AIX, etc</li>
<li>Windows (not yet released)</li>
</ol><p>I also had another recent project which involved migrating single instances to RAC clusters on new Sun SPARC hardware.  Lots of people are still using Sun SPARC and are buying new machines.  Given that SPARC gives Oracle an enterprise grade platform in addition to the commodity x64 platform they already have, I don't think they will be getting rid of it anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not sure about this : About 2 years ago , I had a government project to migrate a 6 node Oracle database running Red Hat on current x64 hardware to a single Sun SPARC .
After doing the migration , I figured out why : The single SPARC utterly annihilated the X64 cluster in performance.More recently , look at the Oracle 11g release schedule : Aug-2009 : Linux ( all hardware architectures ) Nov-2009 : Sun SPARC Dec-2009 : HP-UX , AIX , etc Windows ( not yet released ) I also had another recent project which involved migrating single instances to RAC clusters on new Sun SPARC hardware .
Lots of people are still using Sun SPARC and are buying new machines .
Given that SPARC gives Oracle an enterprise grade platform in addition to the commodity x64 platform they already have , I do n't think they will be getting rid of it anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not sure about this:
About 2 years ago, I had a government project to migrate a 6 node Oracle database running Red Hat on current x64 hardware to a single Sun SPARC.
After doing the migration, I figured out why:  The single SPARC utterly annihilated the X64 cluster in performance.More recently, look at the Oracle 11g release schedule:
Aug-2009: Linux (all hardware architectures)
Nov-2009: Sun SPARC
Dec-2009: HP-UX, AIX, etc
Windows (not yet released)
I also had another recent project which involved migrating single instances to RAC clusters on new Sun SPARC hardware.
Lots of people are still using Sun SPARC and are buying new machines.
Given that SPARC gives Oracle an enterprise grade platform in addition to the commodity x64 platform they already have, I don't think they will be getting rid of it anytime soon.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Bye bye, SunOS</title>
	<author>diegocg</author>
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	<htmltext><p>This is <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ef3547f0-cdad-11da-afcd-0000779e2340.html?nclick\_check=1" title="ft.com">what Ellison said</a> [ft.com] before he started his Red Hat clone (unbreakable linux, way before they bought sun):</p><p><i>"I'd like to have a complete stack," he said. "We're missing an operating system. You could argue that it makes a lot of sense for us to look at distributing and supporting Linux."</i></p><p>It seems logical that now that they have their own operative system, they will use it. On the other hand, it'd be stupid for them to fight Linux, since maaaany people use it for Oracle. They will probably support both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what Ellison said [ ft.com ] before he started his Red Hat clone ( unbreakable linux , way before they bought sun ) : " I 'd like to have a complete stack , " he said .
" We 're missing an operating system .
You could argue that it makes a lot of sense for us to look at distributing and supporting Linux .
" It seems logical that now that they have their own operative system , they will use it .
On the other hand , it 'd be stupid for them to fight Linux , since maaaany people use it for Oracle .
They will probably support both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what Ellison said [ft.com] before he started his Red Hat clone (unbreakable linux, way before they bought sun):"I'd like to have a complete stack," he said.
"We're missing an operating system.
You could argue that it makes a lot of sense for us to look at distributing and supporting Linux.
"It seems logical that now that they have their own operative system, they will use it.
On the other hand, it'd be stupid for them to fight Linux, since maaaany people use it for Oracle.
They will probably support both.</sentencetext>
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