<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_26_0656242</id>
	<title>Game Distribution Platforms Becoming Annoyingly Common</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1264506480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The Escapist's Shamus Young recently posted an article complaining about <a href="http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/7058-Experienced-Points-I-Have-Seen-The-Future-And-it-is-Annoying">the proliferation of distribution platforms and social networks for video games</a>. None of the companies who make these are "quite sure how games will be sold and played ten years from now," he writes, "but they all know they want to be the ones running the community or selling the titles." Young continues,
<i>"Remember how these systems usually work: The program sets itself up to run when Windows starts, and it must be running if you want to play the game. If you follow this scheme to its logical conclusion, you'll see that the system tray of every gaming PC would eventually end up clogged with loaders, patchers, helpers, and monitors. Every publisher would have a program for serving up content, connecting players, managing digital licenses, performing patches, and (most importantly) selling stuff. Some people don't mind having 'just one more' program running in the background. But what happens when you have programs from Valve, Stardock, Activision, 2k Games, Take-Two, Codemasters, Microsoft, Eidos, and Ubisoft? Sure, you could disable them. But then when you fire the thing up to play a game, it will want to spend fifteen minutes patching itself and the game before it will let you in. And imagine how fun it would be juggling accounts for all of them."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Escapist 's Shamus Young recently posted an article complaining about the proliferation of distribution platforms and social networks for video games .
None of the companies who make these are " quite sure how games will be sold and played ten years from now , " he writes , " but they all know they want to be the ones running the community or selling the titles .
" Young continues , " Remember how these systems usually work : The program sets itself up to run when Windows starts , and it must be running if you want to play the game .
If you follow this scheme to its logical conclusion , you 'll see that the system tray of every gaming PC would eventually end up clogged with loaders , patchers , helpers , and monitors .
Every publisher would have a program for serving up content , connecting players , managing digital licenses , performing patches , and ( most importantly ) selling stuff .
Some people do n't mind having 'just one more ' program running in the background .
But what happens when you have programs from Valve , Stardock , Activision , 2k Games , Take-Two , Codemasters , Microsoft , Eidos , and Ubisoft ?
Sure , you could disable them .
But then when you fire the thing up to play a game , it will want to spend fifteen minutes patching itself and the game before it will let you in .
And imagine how fun it would be juggling accounts for all of them .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Escapist's Shamus Young recently posted an article complaining about the proliferation of distribution platforms and social networks for video games.
None of the companies who make these are "quite sure how games will be sold and played ten years from now," he writes, "but they all know they want to be the ones running the community or selling the titles.
" Young continues,
"Remember how these systems usually work: The program sets itself up to run when Windows starts, and it must be running if you want to play the game.
If you follow this scheme to its logical conclusion, you'll see that the system tray of every gaming PC would eventually end up clogged with loaders, patchers, helpers, and monitors.
Every publisher would have a program for serving up content, connecting players, managing digital licenses, performing patches, and (most importantly) selling stuff.
Some people don't mind having 'just one more' program running in the background.
But what happens when you have programs from Valve, Stardock, Activision, 2k Games, Take-Two, Codemasters, Microsoft, Eidos, and Ubisoft?
Sure, you could disable them.
But then when you fire the thing up to play a game, it will want to spend fifteen minutes patching itself and the game before it will let you in.
And imagine how fun it would be juggling accounts for all of them.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30910434</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>dkre</author>
	<datestamp>1264502760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In some ways this could be likened to the US car industry. With practically free oil the automakers created monstrosities of excess all the way to their own downfall.
<br> <br>
There are murmurs about the environmental impact of PC's, there has to be a time where the market will turn against the idea of constantly requiring more hardware that consumes more energy to do the same thing we always have. Developers are very much in a 'cheap oil' mentality not just on assumptions of consumers willingness to upgrade but their willingness to waste vast amounts of bandwidth on their product.
<br> <br>
Why are drivers now in a 100mb package? Why are game updates are often 500+? There is never any extra content. How inefficient can developers get?
<br> <br>
Personally this is the end of gaming for me. Too many disappointments over the years from buying cheap titles that just don't run and aren't supported at all by the studio (on 9-12 month old titles) to having to trawl forums to get past communication errors with steam (thats user friendly).
<br> <br>
Is it wrong to want $100 software to run out of the box and to do so without being forced to provide my personal information? The software industry as a whole needs a big wake up call.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In some ways this could be likened to the US car industry .
With practically free oil the automakers created monstrosities of excess all the way to their own downfall .
There are murmurs about the environmental impact of PC 's , there has to be a time where the market will turn against the idea of constantly requiring more hardware that consumes more energy to do the same thing we always have .
Developers are very much in a 'cheap oil ' mentality not just on assumptions of consumers willingness to upgrade but their willingness to waste vast amounts of bandwidth on their product .
Why are drivers now in a 100mb package ?
Why are game updates are often 500 + ?
There is never any extra content .
How inefficient can developers get ?
Personally this is the end of gaming for me .
Too many disappointments over the years from buying cheap titles that just do n't run and are n't supported at all by the studio ( on 9-12 month old titles ) to having to trawl forums to get past communication errors with steam ( thats user friendly ) .
Is it wrong to want $ 100 software to run out of the box and to do so without being forced to provide my personal information ?
The software industry as a whole needs a big wake up call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some ways this could be likened to the US car industry.
With practically free oil the automakers created monstrosities of excess all the way to their own downfall.
There are murmurs about the environmental impact of PC's, there has to be a time where the market will turn against the idea of constantly requiring more hardware that consumes more energy to do the same thing we always have.
Developers are very much in a 'cheap oil' mentality not just on assumptions of consumers willingness to upgrade but their willingness to waste vast amounts of bandwidth on their product.
Why are drivers now in a 100mb package?
Why are game updates are often 500+?
There is never any extra content.
How inefficient can developers get?
Personally this is the end of gaming for me.
Too many disappointments over the years from buying cheap titles that just don't run and aren't supported at all by the studio (on 9-12 month old titles) to having to trawl forums to get past communication errors with steam (thats user friendly).
Is it wrong to want $100 software to run out of the box and to do so without being forced to provide my personal information?
The software industry as a whole needs a big wake up call.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902554</id>
	<title>Why the fuck do you think PC gaming is dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264512120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Greedy motherfucking bastards, that's why.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greedy motherfucking bastards , that 's why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greedy motherfucking bastards, that's why.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30907668</id>
	<title>Re:Tell me about it!</title>
	<author>Trixter</author>
	<datestamp>1264534320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I learned this the hard way recently... I bought a few games because they were cheaper from other services, and was disappointed that the entire process wasn't as seamless as Steam is.  Poor download times, odd licensing, and misbehaving system tray icons eventually forced me to re-purchase all my games from Steam just so I wouldn't have to deal with it.  And I'm glad I did.</p><p>One of the things I like about Steam is that, without any effort on my part, my games follow me.  If I log into any computer in the world with the steam client, my games are there, ready to download and play.  That's DRM I can live with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I learned this the hard way recently... I bought a few games because they were cheaper from other services , and was disappointed that the entire process was n't as seamless as Steam is .
Poor download times , odd licensing , and misbehaving system tray icons eventually forced me to re-purchase all my games from Steam just so I would n't have to deal with it .
And I 'm glad I did.One of the things I like about Steam is that , without any effort on my part , my games follow me .
If I log into any computer in the world with the steam client , my games are there , ready to download and play .
That 's DRM I can live with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I learned this the hard way recently... I bought a few games because they were cheaper from other services, and was disappointed that the entire process wasn't as seamless as Steam is.
Poor download times, odd licensing, and misbehaving system tray icons eventually forced me to re-purchase all my games from Steam just so I wouldn't have to deal with it.
And I'm glad I did.One of the things I like about Steam is that, without any effort on my part, my games follow me.
If I log into any computer in the world with the steam client, my games are there, ready to download and play.
That's DRM I can live with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902348</id>
	<title>Game distribution</title>
	<author>smitty\_one\_each</author>
	<datestamp>1264510140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Game distribution<br>
A tragic solution<br>
The most horrid trick<br>
Since the disposable Bic<br>
<b>Burma Shave</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Game distribution A tragic solution The most horrid trick Since the disposable Bic Burma Shave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Game distribution
A tragic solution
The most horrid trick
Since the disposable Bic
Burma Shave</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903152</id>
	<title>Re:One of the many reasons I only play pirated gam</title>
	<author>RogueyWon</author>
	<datestamp>1264516440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, when you run your nice, DRM-free, cracked awesomegame.exe, what also often happens is that three separate bits of actual (not figurative) bits of malware that were included in the cracked awesomegame.exe also start up. These have the wonderful side-benefits of installing a keylogger (allowing for innovative social-network-style sharing of all of your passwords etc), giving you exciting NSFW pop-ups 24/7 (no need to go browsing for your dirty pictures any more) and reducing your system performance even more than Norton does (which I admit takes some doing).</p><p>Seriously, I do semi-regular tech-support for a variety of friends, relatives and acquaintances and cracked games and applications are probably the most common vector these days for the swarms of malware the consistently infect their PCs. The last thing you should assume is that a cracked game won't be starting off any processes you don't want it to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , when you run your nice , DRM-free , cracked awesomegame.exe , what also often happens is that three separate bits of actual ( not figurative ) bits of malware that were included in the cracked awesomegame.exe also start up .
These have the wonderful side-benefits of installing a keylogger ( allowing for innovative social-network-style sharing of all of your passwords etc ) , giving you exciting NSFW pop-ups 24/7 ( no need to go browsing for your dirty pictures any more ) and reducing your system performance even more than Norton does ( which I admit takes some doing ) .Seriously , I do semi-regular tech-support for a variety of friends , relatives and acquaintances and cracked games and applications are probably the most common vector these days for the swarms of malware the consistently infect their PCs .
The last thing you should assume is that a cracked game wo n't be starting off any processes you do n't want it to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, when you run your nice, DRM-free, cracked awesomegame.exe, what also often happens is that three separate bits of actual (not figurative) bits of malware that were included in the cracked awesomegame.exe also start up.
These have the wonderful side-benefits of installing a keylogger (allowing for innovative social-network-style sharing of all of your passwords etc), giving you exciting NSFW pop-ups 24/7 (no need to go browsing for your dirty pictures any more) and reducing your system performance even more than Norton does (which I admit takes some doing).Seriously, I do semi-regular tech-support for a variety of friends, relatives and acquaintances and cracked games and applications are probably the most common vector these days for the swarms of malware the consistently infect their PCs.
The last thing you should assume is that a cracked game won't be starting off any processes you don't want it to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903636</id>
	<title>Steam or Bust</title>
	<author>ATLHivemind</author>
	<datestamp>1264518780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When Steam first came out it was horribly broken.<br>I avoided CS 1.6 because of it.<br>then I bought Half-Life 2 and was forced to use Steam.<br>In the beginning it sucked, then things got better.<br>By the time The Orange Box came out, it was rock-solid and just too freaking easy. (Disclaimer, I'm in the US)<br>I maintain a copy of SteamApps on my file server (currently ~80GB). I can reload my game rig with impunity and just copy the files back. Or just let steam sit open overnight and all day when I'm at work. By the time 5pm rolls around I have a slew of games installed without me having to juggle discs and keys.</p><p>I used to be a devout follower of Westwood (RIP) and Maxis (RIP) then they started to suck after EA bought them out and everything got DRM'ed to hell.<br>I vote with my dollars these days. Steam may not be perfect, but is has the virtue of being GOOD ENOUGH.<br>Hell, I could even reload HL 1 (ancient game that it is) and play that if I wanted.</p><p>I recently went about loading up my old standbys, Quake, DooM and Red Alert (1). Gameplay sucked from what I've become accustomed to.<br>Yes, nostalgia is a wonderful thing, but for things like FPS and RTS games, progress is better.</p><p>What I really miss are the flight sims, mostly X-Wing, TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance. Those don't play well on Windows 7. I have the discs, just no way to really play em.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When Steam first came out it was horribly broken.I avoided CS 1.6 because of it.then I bought Half-Life 2 and was forced to use Steam.In the beginning it sucked , then things got better.By the time The Orange Box came out , it was rock-solid and just too freaking easy .
( Disclaimer , I 'm in the US ) I maintain a copy of SteamApps on my file server ( currently ~ 80GB ) .
I can reload my game rig with impunity and just copy the files back .
Or just let steam sit open overnight and all day when I 'm at work .
By the time 5pm rolls around I have a slew of games installed without me having to juggle discs and keys.I used to be a devout follower of Westwood ( RIP ) and Maxis ( RIP ) then they started to suck after EA bought them out and everything got DRM'ed to hell.I vote with my dollars these days .
Steam may not be perfect , but is has the virtue of being GOOD ENOUGH.Hell , I could even reload HL 1 ( ancient game that it is ) and play that if I wanted.I recently went about loading up my old standbys , Quake , DooM and Red Alert ( 1 ) .
Gameplay sucked from what I 've become accustomed to.Yes , nostalgia is a wonderful thing , but for things like FPS and RTS games , progress is better.What I really miss are the flight sims , mostly X-Wing , TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance .
Those do n't play well on Windows 7 .
I have the discs , just no way to really play em .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Steam first came out it was horribly broken.I avoided CS 1.6 because of it.then I bought Half-Life 2 and was forced to use Steam.In the beginning it sucked, then things got better.By the time The Orange Box came out, it was rock-solid and just too freaking easy.
(Disclaimer, I'm in the US)I maintain a copy of SteamApps on my file server (currently ~80GB).
I can reload my game rig with impunity and just copy the files back.
Or just let steam sit open overnight and all day when I'm at work.
By the time 5pm rolls around I have a slew of games installed without me having to juggle discs and keys.I used to be a devout follower of Westwood (RIP) and Maxis (RIP) then they started to suck after EA bought them out and everything got DRM'ed to hell.I vote with my dollars these days.
Steam may not be perfect, but is has the virtue of being GOOD ENOUGH.Hell, I could even reload HL 1 (ancient game that it is) and play that if I wanted.I recently went about loading up my old standbys, Quake, DooM and Red Alert (1).
Gameplay sucked from what I've become accustomed to.Yes, nostalgia is a wonderful thing, but for things like FPS and RTS games, progress is better.What I really miss are the flight sims, mostly X-Wing, TIE Fighter and X-Wing Alliance.
Those don't play well on Windows 7.
I have the discs, just no way to really play em.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30916168</id>
	<title>Re:One of the many reasons I only play pirated gam</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1264602420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The cracked / pirated version <b>OF THE EXE</b> is simply superior.</p></div><p>If you're not buying the game, you're part of the reason why were here in the first place.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cracked / pirated version OF THE EXE is simply superior.If you 're not buying the game , you 're part of the reason why were here in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cracked / pirated version OF THE EXE is simply superior.If you're not buying the game, you're part of the reason why were here in the first place.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902898</id>
	<title>Re:Tell me about it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264515060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thing is the best answer is why would you bother?  At best there are only a few titles that are different.  With Steam its the Half-Life series and spin offs, Impulse its the stardock library.  The vast majority of publishers are on both.  People will become centric on one and honestly ignore the others so this "problem" isn't going to exist.  I've choosen to go with Steam, mostly because I was on it before Impulse and my library of games on it is up to 300 now(okay, okay, I'm a little OCD about having everything, but I can afford to).  The weekend deals and other specials they run are an amazing value.  I checked out Impulse but really besides a couple of titles I see no reason to bother with a second distribution system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thing is the best answer is why would you bother ?
At best there are only a few titles that are different .
With Steam its the Half-Life series and spin offs , Impulse its the stardock library .
The vast majority of publishers are on both .
People will become centric on one and honestly ignore the others so this " problem " is n't going to exist .
I 've choosen to go with Steam , mostly because I was on it before Impulse and my library of games on it is up to 300 now ( okay , okay , I 'm a little OCD about having everything , but I can afford to ) .
The weekend deals and other specials they run are an amazing value .
I checked out Impulse but really besides a couple of titles I see no reason to bother with a second distribution system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thing is the best answer is why would you bother?
At best there are only a few titles that are different.
With Steam its the Half-Life series and spin offs, Impulse its the stardock library.
The vast majority of publishers are on both.
People will become centric on one and honestly ignore the others so this "problem" isn't going to exist.
I've choosen to go with Steam, mostly because I was on it before Impulse and my library of games on it is up to 300 now(okay, okay, I'm a little OCD about having everything, but I can afford to).
The weekend deals and other specials they run are an amazing value.
I checked out Impulse but really besides a couple of titles I see no reason to bother with a second distribution system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903264</id>
	<title>This is a real problem</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1264516980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The proliferation of game distribution platforms is very annoying. Which is why I am the CEO of a company that is introducing an innovative new product that distributes and manages game distribution platforms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The proliferation of game distribution platforms is very annoying .
Which is why I am the CEO of a company that is introducing an innovative new product that distributes and manages game distribution platforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The proliferation of game distribution platforms is very annoying.
Which is why I am the CEO of a company that is introducing an innovative new product that distributes and manages game distribution platforms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903180</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1264516560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc. because the networks they connect with will be gone.</i></p><p>Have you gone back and tried playing a lot of your 10 year old games?</p><p>No seriously... Everytime I install and play an old game I become sorely disappointed and scratch my head wondering what happened to this game that I had so many fond memories of.</p><p>Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10 + years we will have a whole generation of games ( not just MMOs ) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators , etc .
because the networks they connect with will be gone.Have you gone back and tried playing a lot of your 10 year old games ? No seriously... Everytime I install and play an old game I become sorely disappointed and scratch my head wondering what happened to this game that I had so many fond memories of.Nostalgia is n't as good as it used to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc.
because the networks they connect with will be gone.Have you gone back and tried playing a lot of your 10 year old games?No seriously... Everytime I install and play an old game I become sorely disappointed and scratch my head wondering what happened to this game that I had so many fond memories of.Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30914084</id>
	<title>Re:This is a real problem</title>
	<author>LethargicParasite</author>
	<datestamp>1264532640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Me too!<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br>
Shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Me too !
.. . Shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me too!
...
Shit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30938744</id>
	<title>Re:Game distribution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264709520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RFLOL. I see old people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RFLOL .
I see old people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RFLOL.
I see old people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30914134</id>
	<title>Re:Why the fuck do you think PC gaming is dying</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264533180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>PC gaming is dying so fast that EA, Ubisoft et al have abandoned it so completely. I mean Modern Warfare will never be out on the PC.<br> <br>

<a href="http://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-146754-Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-PC" title="ebgames.com.au">No wait...</a> [ebgames.com.au]<blockquote><div><p>Greedy motherfucking bastards</p></div></blockquote><p>

This is an example of why PC gaming is alive and well. PC games are cheaper then their Xbox and Playstation equivalents. Lets look at modern warfare 2 shall we, from the rip off merchants EB Games it costs <a href="http://www.ebgames.com.au/ps3-146757-Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-PlayStation-3" title="ebgames.com.au">A$119.95</a> [ebgames.com.au] on PS3, <a href="http://www.ebgames.com.au/xbox360-146755-Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Xbox-360" title="ebgames.com.au">A$119.95</a> [ebgames.com.au] on Xbox360 and <a href="http://www.ebgames.com.au/pc-146754-Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-PC" title="ebgames.com.au">A98.00</a> [ebgames.com.au] on PC. Now if I go down the road to JB HiFi I can shave A$20 of those prices.<br> <br>

At A$21.95 difference if I purchase 1 game a month I save A$263.40 over the course of a year, If I buy 2 games a month that's A$526.80. Now if my gaming PC costs <a href="http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=rmp\_sg\_whirlpoolpcs\_gaming\_configs" title="whirlpool.net.au">A$1500</a> [whirlpool.net.au], holy crap in three years it's paid for itself.<br> <br>

If you're serious about gaming, you have a PC. Not only is it better (graphics, control, sound and so forth) it's cheaper.</p></div>
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<tokenext>PC gaming is dying so fast that EA , Ubisoft et al have abandoned it so completely .
I mean Modern Warfare will never be out on the PC .
No wait... [ ebgames.com.au ] Greedy motherfucking bastards This is an example of why PC gaming is alive and well .
PC games are cheaper then their Xbox and Playstation equivalents .
Lets look at modern warfare 2 shall we , from the rip off merchants EB Games it costs A $ 119.95 [ ebgames.com.au ] on PS3 , A $ 119.95 [ ebgames.com.au ] on Xbox360 and A98.00 [ ebgames.com.au ] on PC .
Now if I go down the road to JB HiFi I can shave A $ 20 of those prices .
At A $ 21.95 difference if I purchase 1 game a month I save A $ 263.40 over the course of a year , If I buy 2 games a month that 's A $ 526.80 .
Now if my gaming PC costs A $ 1500 [ whirlpool.net.au ] , holy crap in three years it 's paid for itself .
If you 're serious about gaming , you have a PC .
Not only is it better ( graphics , control , sound and so forth ) it 's cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PC gaming is dying so fast that EA, Ubisoft et al have abandoned it so completely.
I mean Modern Warfare will never be out on the PC.
No wait... [ebgames.com.au]Greedy motherfucking bastards

This is an example of why PC gaming is alive and well.
PC games are cheaper then their Xbox and Playstation equivalents.
Lets look at modern warfare 2 shall we, from the rip off merchants EB Games it costs A$119.95 [ebgames.com.au] on PS3, A$119.95 [ebgames.com.au] on Xbox360 and A98.00 [ebgames.com.au] on PC.
Now if I go down the road to JB HiFi I can shave A$20 of those prices.
At A$21.95 difference if I purchase 1 game a month I save A$263.40 over the course of a year, If I buy 2 games a month that's A$526.80.
Now if my gaming PC costs A$1500 [whirlpool.net.au], holy crap in three years it's paid for itself.
If you're serious about gaming, you have a PC.
Not only is it better (graphics, control, sound and so forth) it's cheaper.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904888</id>
	<title>Not just Distribution Services</title>
	<author>theJML</author>
	<datestamp>1264523340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The battle for my system tray is getting crazy lately in general. I don't subscribe to any of the digital distribution channels (except iTunes), but things keep filling my system tray and I don't like it.</p><p>Why does everything have to have a quick start agent? It's one of the first things I disable. I know for a fact I'm not going to use the program everytime I turn on my computer, so why waste the time when booting?! Also, if I wanted to load the program, then I don't mind waiting for the program to load, is it that hard of a concept?</p><p>And if your program takes THAT LONG TO LOAD that you have to have a QUICKSTART feature, I think it's time to rethink your program's requirements and efficiency!</p><p>I suppose the fact that they download updates in the background is handy for some people, but I really don't want my PC doing anything that I didn't tell it to do. In fact, I don't like patching things all willy-nilly either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The battle for my system tray is getting crazy lately in general .
I do n't subscribe to any of the digital distribution channels ( except iTunes ) , but things keep filling my system tray and I do n't like it.Why does everything have to have a quick start agent ?
It 's one of the first things I disable .
I know for a fact I 'm not going to use the program everytime I turn on my computer , so why waste the time when booting ? !
Also , if I wanted to load the program , then I do n't mind waiting for the program to load , is it that hard of a concept ? And if your program takes THAT LONG TO LOAD that you have to have a QUICKSTART feature , I think it 's time to rethink your program 's requirements and efficiency ! I suppose the fact that they download updates in the background is handy for some people , but I really do n't want my PC doing anything that I did n't tell it to do .
In fact , I do n't like patching things all willy-nilly either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The battle for my system tray is getting crazy lately in general.
I don't subscribe to any of the digital distribution channels (except iTunes), but things keep filling my system tray and I don't like it.Why does everything have to have a quick start agent?
It's one of the first things I disable.
I know for a fact I'm not going to use the program everytime I turn on my computer, so why waste the time when booting?!
Also, if I wanted to load the program, then I don't mind waiting for the program to load, is it that hard of a concept?And if your program takes THAT LONG TO LOAD that you have to have a QUICKSTART feature, I think it's time to rethink your program's requirements and efficiency!I suppose the fact that they download updates in the background is handy for some people, but I really don't want my PC doing anything that I didn't tell it to do.
In fact, I don't like patching things all willy-nilly either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902654</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1264513080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc. because the networks they connect with will be gone.</p></div></blockquote><p>Your concern is something that a lot of gamers have yet to appreciate the ramifications of. Sure, the logic of not being able to play games in the future due to the activation server being down is sound, but damnit, it's Bioshock 2! BIOSHOCK 2!!! I simply cannot pass up playing ! Or put another way, logic is defeated when emotion gets in the way.</p><p>Having said that, this is where cracks will prove very useful. They'll be our savor for when the authentication servers are finally disconnected, and you can always rely on cracks being available due to the desire for breaking the uncrackable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10 + years we will have a whole generation of games ( not just MMOs ) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators , etc .
because the networks they connect with will be gone.Your concern is something that a lot of gamers have yet to appreciate the ramifications of .
Sure , the logic of not being able to play games in the future due to the activation server being down is sound , but damnit , it 's Bioshock 2 !
BIOSHOCK 2 ! ! !
I simply can not pass up playing !
Or put another way , logic is defeated when emotion gets in the way.Having said that , this is where cracks will prove very useful .
They 'll be our savor for when the authentication servers are finally disconnected , and you can always rely on cracks being available due to the desire for breaking the uncrackable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc.
because the networks they connect with will be gone.Your concern is something that a lot of gamers have yet to appreciate the ramifications of.
Sure, the logic of not being able to play games in the future due to the activation server being down is sound, but damnit, it's Bioshock 2!
BIOSHOCK 2!!!
I simply cannot pass up playing !
Or put another way, logic is defeated when emotion gets in the way.Having said that, this is where cracks will prove very useful.
They'll be our savor for when the authentication servers are finally disconnected, and you can always rely on cracks being available due to the desire for breaking the uncrackable.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904028</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>Tinctorius</author>
	<datestamp>1264520280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Formerly "5 Simple Rules For Running In My Background?", prior to the death of one of your CPU cores?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Formerly " 5 Simple Rules For Running In My Background ?
" , prior to the death of one of your CPU cores ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Formerly "5 Simple Rules For Running In My Background?
", prior to the death of one of your CPU cores?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902980</id>
	<title>Re:Alternatives</title>
	<author>Hyppy</author>
	<datestamp>1264515540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's the most depressing list I've ever read.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the most depressing list I 've ever read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the most depressing list I've ever read.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30952500</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264792140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still play Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo all the time, along with a lot of other fighting games that came out in the mid to late 90s.</p><p>I also play Touhou 4 a lot too (came out in 98) and just recently finished playing Raptor: Call of the Shadows (a game from 94) and it was still awesome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still play Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo all the time , along with a lot of other fighting games that came out in the mid to late 90s.I also play Touhou 4 a lot too ( came out in 98 ) and just recently finished playing Raptor : Call of the Shadows ( a game from 94 ) and it was still awesome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still play Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo all the time, along with a lot of other fighting games that came out in the mid to late 90s.I also play Touhou 4 a lot too (came out in 98) and just recently finished playing Raptor: Call of the Shadows (a game from 94) and it was still awesome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902576</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1264512360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc. because the networks they connect with will be gone.</p></div><p>So, today the warez versions that don't connect to the network are merely better than the official versions, but in 10+ years, they'll not only be better, but be the only way to play?  No problemo.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10 + years we will have a whole generation of games ( not just MMOs ) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators , etc .
because the networks they connect with will be gone.So , today the warez versions that do n't connect to the network are merely better than the official versions , but in 10 + years , they 'll not only be better , but be the only way to play ?
No problemo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc.
because the networks they connect with will be gone.So, today the warez versions that don't connect to the network are merely better than the official versions, but in 10+ years, they'll not only be better, but be the only way to play?
No problemo.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903414</id>
	<title>Not rocket science</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1264517820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So disable the auto start-up for each of the services, then schedule them all to run overnight once a week to get your updates. I'm not a fan of the proliferation of these services either, but this isn't rocket science.</p><p>There's not much use moaning about it. These things aren't going to amalgamate into one big service any time soon. Sure, it'd be easy enough technically, and great for the end-user, but it doesn't allow gaming companies to grab extra money from you in the short term, so no-one will even considering implementing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So disable the auto start-up for each of the services , then schedule them all to run overnight once a week to get your updates .
I 'm not a fan of the proliferation of these services either , but this is n't rocket science.There 's not much use moaning about it .
These things are n't going to amalgamate into one big service any time soon .
Sure , it 'd be easy enough technically , and great for the end-user , but it does n't allow gaming companies to grab extra money from you in the short term , so no-one will even considering implementing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So disable the auto start-up for each of the services, then schedule them all to run overnight once a week to get your updates.
I'm not a fan of the proliferation of these services either, but this isn't rocket science.There's not much use moaning about it.
These things aren't going to amalgamate into one big service any time soon.
Sure, it'd be easy enough technically, and great for the end-user, but it doesn't allow gaming companies to grab extra money from you in the short term, so no-one will even considering implementing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30909266</id>
	<title>NOES MAH SYSTEM TRAYS!</title>
	<author>Moheeheeko</author>
	<datestamp>1264497780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>system tray out of hand?
CBF to do into the msconfig and set what starts up?
go here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:http://www.docsdownloads.com/Tier1/enditall.htm

download enditall
when you start your pc, run it a few times
system tray empty
PROBLEM SOLVED!</htmltext>
<tokenext>system tray out of hand ?
CBF to do into the msconfig and set what starts up ?
go here : http : //www.docsdownloads.com/Tier1/enditall.htm download enditall when you start your pc , run it a few times system tray empty PROBLEM SOLVED !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>system tray out of hand?
CBF to do into the msconfig and set what starts up?
go here :http://www.docsdownloads.com/Tier1/enditall.htm

download enditall
when you start your pc, run it a few times
system tray empty
PROBLEM SOLVED!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</id>
	<title>A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264514460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems every little crappy program or tool these days wants to install their own "helper" thingy, either hidden or in the task bar.  I wish all software companies would be a little more responsible about the cruft they load our computers down with.  <br>5 Simple rules:<br>- only run stuff in the background if there's a good reason for the job to run continuously.<br>- for stuff that doesn't need to run all the time (and checking for updates <b>most definitely belongs in this category</b>), perform the task(s) when the associated program itself starts.<br>- if it runs in the background, it goes on the task bar (so we know it's there)<br>- if it runs at startup, there's a simple way (config setting) to disable it.<br>- if running at startup is disabled but the job is essential for the associated program, the job is started automatically when the program is launched.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems every little crappy program or tool these days wants to install their own " helper " thingy , either hidden or in the task bar .
I wish all software companies would be a little more responsible about the cruft they load our computers down with .
5 Simple rules : - only run stuff in the background if there 's a good reason for the job to run continuously.- for stuff that does n't need to run all the time ( and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category ) , perform the task ( s ) when the associated program itself starts.- if it runs in the background , it goes on the task bar ( so we know it 's there ) - if it runs at startup , there 's a simple way ( config setting ) to disable it.- if running at startup is disabled but the job is essential for the associated program , the job is started automatically when the program is launched .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems every little crappy program or tool these days wants to install their own "helper" thingy, either hidden or in the task bar.
I wish all software companies would be a little more responsible about the cruft they load our computers down with.
5 Simple rules:- only run stuff in the background if there's a good reason for the job to run continuously.- for stuff that doesn't need to run all the time (and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category), perform the task(s) when the associated program itself starts.- if it runs in the background, it goes on the task bar (so we know it's there)- if it runs at startup, there's a simple way (config setting) to disable it.- if running at startup is disabled but the job is essential for the associated program, the job is started automatically when the program is launched.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904644</id>
	<title>PC Gaming Alliance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264522380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is where the PC Gaming Alliance could be useful by creating/expending a standard like XMPP but for digital distribution of games.<br>So you can choose the client you want, and subscribe to online store from EA, Steam, Impulse etc..<br>They could be a neutral actor federating the PC gaming distribution<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. but I guess it's easier to make timid statement about DRM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is where the PC Gaming Alliance could be useful by creating/expending a standard like XMPP but for digital distribution of games.So you can choose the client you want , and subscribe to online store from EA , Steam , Impulse etc..They could be a neutral actor federating the PC gaming distribution .. but I guess it 's easier to make timid statement about DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is where the PC Gaming Alliance could be useful by creating/expending a standard like XMPP but for digital distribution of games.So you can choose the client you want, and subscribe to online store from EA, Steam, Impulse etc..They could be a neutral actor federating the PC gaming distribution .. but I guess it's easier to make timid statement about DRM.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30905502</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1264525680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why?  They were already cracked in 0 years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
They were already cracked in 0 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
They were already cracked in 0 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903094</id>
	<title>Why worry about 10, 20 years, how about 2-3?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264516140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget that companies are <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/06/0456202" title="slashdot.org">already shutting down their own game servers</a> [slashdot.org] to get people to play the newer games. Madden 07 and 08 are already being shut down...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget that companies are already shutting down their own game servers [ slashdot.org ] to get people to play the newer games .
Madden 07 and 08 are already being shut down.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget that companies are already shutting down their own game servers [slashdot.org] to get people to play the newer games.
Madden 07 and 08 are already being shut down...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903808</id>
	<title>Re:Typical /. BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264519440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I bought GTA IV through steam the other day. As well as it running like a bag of shite I also have to have the rockstar social club running (as well as steam). Also I had to sign up for the social club just to play the game. And then link that account to a windows Live games account. I tried using my existing windows Live account but it wouldn't let me link them (for some reason...it didn't tell me why) so I had to create a new one. So two new accounts in two software systems that are duplicating the functionality of Steam WHICH I'M ALREADY USING AS WELL!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I bought GTA IV through steam the other day .
As well as it running like a bag of shite I also have to have the rockstar social club running ( as well as steam ) .
Also I had to sign up for the social club just to play the game .
And then link that account to a windows Live games account .
I tried using my existing windows Live account but it would n't let me link them ( for some reason...it did n't tell me why ) so I had to create a new one .
So two new accounts in two software systems that are duplicating the functionality of Steam WHICH I 'M ALREADY USING AS WELL !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I bought GTA IV through steam the other day.
As well as it running like a bag of shite I also have to have the rockstar social club running (as well as steam).
Also I had to sign up for the social club just to play the game.
And then link that account to a windows Live games account.
I tried using my existing windows Live account but it wouldn't let me link them (for some reason...it didn't tell me why) so I had to create a new one.
So two new accounts in two software systems that are duplicating the functionality of Steam WHICH I'M ALREADY USING AS WELL!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30916152</id>
	<title>Re:Tell me about it!</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1264602300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rentals are meant to be cheap and easy. If you wanted expensive and complicated, you'd buy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rentals are meant to be cheap and easy .
If you wanted expensive and complicated , you 'd buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rentals are meant to be cheap and easy.
If you wanted expensive and complicated, you'd buy it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902678</id>
	<title>Re:Typical /. BS</title>
	<author>MORB</author>
	<datestamp>1264513260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Typical<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. kneejerk reaction comment from someone too lazy to read even the summary.</p><p>If you did so, you'd have found out that what the guy complains about is in fact the lack of unification of the process, where every other game company seems to be rolling their own distribution platform with the assorted bundle of crapware to run the games on it.</p><p>Heck, you can even run into these problems even if you install games only from steam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical / .
kneejerk reaction comment from someone too lazy to read even the summary.If you did so , you 'd have found out that what the guy complains about is in fact the lack of unification of the process , where every other game company seems to be rolling their own distribution platform with the assorted bundle of crapware to run the games on it.Heck , you can even run into these problems even if you install games only from steam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical /.
kneejerk reaction comment from someone too lazy to read even the summary.If you did so, you'd have found out that what the guy complains about is in fact the lack of unification of the process, where every other game company seems to be rolling their own distribution platform with the assorted bundle of crapware to run the games on it.Heck, you can even run into these problems even if you install games only from steam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902872</id>
	<title>Re:Tell me about it!</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1264514880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steam prices are far from competitive, they're standard maximum retail prices sure, but in the UK games that sell for around &pound;20 - &pound;23 on Amazon etc. brand new are &pound;29.99 or &pound;34.99 Steam.</p><p>Steam prices do mirror those in retail stores like GAME and HMV, but these places are rediculously overpriced too when again compared to places like Amazon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steam prices are far from competitive , they 're standard maximum retail prices sure , but in the UK games that sell for around   20 -   23 on Amazon etc .
brand new are   29.99 or   34.99 Steam.Steam prices do mirror those in retail stores like GAME and HMV , but these places are rediculously overpriced too when again compared to places like Amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steam prices are far from competitive, they're standard maximum retail prices sure, but in the UK games that sell for around £20 - £23 on Amazon etc.
brand new are £29.99 or £34.99 Steam.Steam prices do mirror those in retail stores like GAME and HMV, but these places are rediculously overpriced too when again compared to places like Amazon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30906118</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1264527900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>- for stuff that doesn't need to run all the time (and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category), perform the task(s) when the associated program itself starts.</i></p><p>Doesn't Windows have something like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/cron.daily?  Seems like that would be a good compromise between an always running updater, and one that updates when you start the game and delays your entry into the game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- for stuff that does n't need to run all the time ( and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category ) , perform the task ( s ) when the associated program itself starts.Does n't Windows have something like /etc/cron.daily ?
Seems like that would be a good compromise between an always running updater , and one that updates when you start the game and delays your entry into the game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- for stuff that doesn't need to run all the time (and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category), perform the task(s) when the associated program itself starts.Doesn't Windows have something like /etc/cron.daily?
Seems like that would be a good compromise between an always running updater, and one that updates when you start the game and delays your entry into the game.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904588</id>
	<title>Re:Typical /. BS</title>
	<author>moxsam</author>
	<datestamp>1264522200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Lets see whose games will last longer.</p></div><p>Ok, the bet is on!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets see whose games will last longer.Ok , the bet is on !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets see whose games will last longer.Ok, the bet is on!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902534</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903064</id>
	<title>What do you mean "eventually"?</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1264516080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...would eventually end up clogged with loaders, patchers, helpers, and monitors.</p></div><p>They'd have to join the queue, then. This has long been a headache with <i>all</i> software and device drivers, not just games.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...would eventually end up clogged with loaders , patchers , helpers , and monitors.They 'd have to join the queue , then .
This has long been a headache with all software and device drivers , not just games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...would eventually end up clogged with loaders, patchers, helpers, and monitors.They'd have to join the queue, then.
This has long been a headache with all software and device drivers, not just games.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902574</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1264512360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc. because the networks they connect with will be gone."</p><p>There is an easy fix for this situation.</p><p>Don't buy a game unless there is a crack for it somewhere. Most cracked games get around the "phone-home" syndrome. TPB is a good place to start.</p><p>I've got two games that I haven't even taken out of the box as I prefer to use the non-DRM versions available as a torrent.</p><p>The developers have a work-around for this though. It is called the "MMO".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Another thing to worry about is that in 10 + years we will have a whole generation of games ( not just MMOs ) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators , etc .
because the networks they connect with will be gone .
" There is an easy fix for this situation.Do n't buy a game unless there is a crack for it somewhere .
Most cracked games get around the " phone-home " syndrome .
TPB is a good place to start.I 've got two games that I have n't even taken out of the box as I prefer to use the non-DRM versions available as a torrent.The developers have a work-around for this though .
It is called the " MMO " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc.
because the networks they connect with will be gone.
"There is an easy fix for this situation.Don't buy a game unless there is a crack for it somewhere.
Most cracked games get around the "phone-home" syndrome.
TPB is a good place to start.I've got two games that I haven't even taken out of the box as I prefer to use the non-DRM versions available as a torrent.The developers have a work-around for this though.
It is called the "MMO".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30908538</id>
	<title>Re:Typical /. BS</title>
	<author>harl</author>
	<datestamp>1264537440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You missed the whole point.</p><p>It's not a unified process.  It's a dozen competing "unified processes".  Some of which are going to fail.  At which point you loose access to what you paid for.</p><p>Would you buy a TV with the clause that Best Buy could come into your house and take it back at any time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You missed the whole point.It 's not a unified process .
It 's a dozen competing " unified processes " .
Some of which are going to fail .
At which point you loose access to what you paid for.Would you buy a TV with the clause that Best Buy could come into your house and take it back at any time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You missed the whole point.It's not a unified process.
It's a dozen competing "unified processes".
Some of which are going to fail.
At which point you loose access to what you paid for.Would you buy a TV with the clause that Best Buy could come into your house and take it back at any time?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904568</id>
	<title>Re:One of the many reasons I only play pirated gam</title>
	<author>moxsam</author>
	<datestamp>1264522140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know where your friends and family get their cracks from, but it seems to be the wrong place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where your friends and family get their cracks from , but it seems to be the wrong place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where your friends and family get their cracks from, but it seems to be the wrong place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903152</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30905262</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264524840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check out Big Fish Games, their Game Manager only runs when the game you want to play is started, or quit.  In order to show you the activation status, and time left for playing that game.  It does have a background process, but that process only runs when you are running a game, and shuts down 5 minutes after your last game was quit.</p><p>As a result, no annoying processes in the sys tray, no always running background processes.  Yet it does update itself when it is started (though not automatically it asks first,) or when a new game is downloaded.</p><p>I'd like to see more of the game distribution systems work in this manner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check out Big Fish Games , their Game Manager only runs when the game you want to play is started , or quit .
In order to show you the activation status , and time left for playing that game .
It does have a background process , but that process only runs when you are running a game , and shuts down 5 minutes after your last game was quit.As a result , no annoying processes in the sys tray , no always running background processes .
Yet it does update itself when it is started ( though not automatically it asks first , ) or when a new game is downloaded.I 'd like to see more of the game distribution systems work in this manner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check out Big Fish Games, their Game Manager only runs when the game you want to play is started, or quit.
In order to show you the activation status, and time left for playing that game.
It does have a background process, but that process only runs when you are running a game, and shuts down 5 minutes after your last game was quit.As a result, no annoying processes in the sys tray, no always running background processes.
Yet it does update itself when it is started (though not automatically it asks first,) or when a new game is downloaded.I'd like to see more of the game distribution systems work in this manner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904110</id>
	<title>The market always will tell</title>
	<author>Dracolytch</author>
	<datestamp>1264520580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A bunch of these guys are doomed...</p><p>Stardock? I got bad news for impulse powered... They can't even get the demo version of Demigod working on my machine... I'm not buying anything through their service.</p><p>I'm glad that EA got out of digital distribution. Their old terms of service were HORRIBLE. You had to buy the game, and then give them additional money to keep your license so you could re-download it later. Talk about not understanding the basics of customer service.</p><p>Valve/Steam really seems to understand this is about customer service. That said, I think there are too many ads for my liking. If I want to buy a game, I know where to go. That said, the nice thing is that I don't think they advertise anything I already own.</p><p>~D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bunch of these guys are doomed...Stardock ?
I got bad news for impulse powered... They ca n't even get the demo version of Demigod working on my machine... I 'm not buying anything through their service.I 'm glad that EA got out of digital distribution .
Their old terms of service were HORRIBLE .
You had to buy the game , and then give them additional money to keep your license so you could re-download it later .
Talk about not understanding the basics of customer service.Valve/Steam really seems to understand this is about customer service .
That said , I think there are too many ads for my liking .
If I want to buy a game , I know where to go .
That said , the nice thing is that I do n't think they advertise anything I already own. ~ D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bunch of these guys are doomed...Stardock?
I got bad news for impulse powered... They can't even get the demo version of Demigod working on my machine... I'm not buying anything through their service.I'm glad that EA got out of digital distribution.
Their old terms of service were HORRIBLE.
You had to buy the game, and then give them additional money to keep your license so you could re-download it later.
Talk about not understanding the basics of customer service.Valve/Steam really seems to understand this is about customer service.
That said, I think there are too many ads for my liking.
If I want to buy a game, I know where to go.
That said, the nice thing is that I don't think they advertise anything I already own.~D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902408</id>
	<title>Tell me about it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264510680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Steam is such  a huge PITA!  Right-click &gt; Exit.  The nerve of them!  And if I don't want it to load at startup?  I have to (again) right-click, go to Settings, and uncheck that option.  All this just so I can download games at almost 9Mb/s, whenever I want, at really competitive prices?  BS, says I!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steam is such a huge PITA !
Right-click &gt; Exit .
The nerve of them !
And if I do n't want it to load at startup ?
I have to ( again ) right-click , go to Settings , and uncheck that option .
All this just so I can download games at almost 9Mb/s , whenever I want , at really competitive prices ?
BS , says I !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steam is such  a huge PITA!
Right-click &gt; Exit.
The nerve of them!
And if I don't want it to load at startup?
I have to (again) right-click, go to Settings, and uncheck that option.
All this just so I can download games at almost 9Mb/s, whenever I want, at really competitive prices?
BS, says I!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30911222</id>
	<title>Re:One of the many reasons I only play pirated gam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264506600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do in fact have the option of spending your time differently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do in fact have the option of spending your time differently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do in fact have the option of spending your time differently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30909534</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>PGGreens</author>
	<datestamp>1264498980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just know that it'll all be worth it if I ever decide to get an iPhone.  The Apple Mobile Device Manager has been warming up in the background for months!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just know that it 'll all be worth it if I ever decide to get an iPhone .
The Apple Mobile Device Manager has been warming up in the background for months !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just know that it'll all be worth it if I ever decide to get an iPhone.
The Apple Mobile Device Manager has been warming up in the background for months!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902526</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>IsisTheDamned</author>
	<datestamp>1264511880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>you don't have to wait that long - hellgate london achieved this in less than five years...</htmltext>
<tokenext>you do n't have to wait that long - hellgate london achieved this in less than five years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you don't have to wait that long - hellgate london achieved this in less than five years...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902338</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30907548</id>
	<title>Re:Alternatives</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1264533780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But all of those require me to use a different distribution platform!  So, I can't go for a walk and read a book and cook at the same time!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But all of those require me to use a different distribution platform !
So , I ca n't go for a walk and read a book and cook at the same time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But all of those require me to use a different distribution platform!
So, I can't go for a walk and read a book and cook at the same time!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902522</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902516</id>
	<title>Re:Tell me about it!</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1264511760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steam isn't a problem, it's when you've got 12 Steam clones from different publishers all of which are required for you to be able to play different parts of your games library.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steam is n't a problem , it 's when you 've got 12 Steam clones from different publishers all of which are required for you to be able to play different parts of your games library .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steam isn't a problem, it's when you've got 12 Steam clones from different publishers all of which are required for you to be able to play different parts of your games library.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902408</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30916290</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>eloquent\_loser</author>
	<datestamp>1264603080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nokia PC tools is one of the worst for this - I had to write a batch file to run after closing it to expunge it completely<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia PC tools is one of the worst for this - I had to write a batch file to run after closing it to expunge it completely ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia PC tools is one of the worst for this - I had to write a batch file to run after closing it to expunge it completely ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30914080</id>
	<title>Re:Dawn of War 2</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1264532580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You were stranded in Amsterdam's red light district, and the best thing you could find to do was play video games?</p></div></blockquote><p>

50 Euro on 10 minutes of entertainment or 50 Euro on several hours of entertainment, you tell me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You were stranded in Amsterdam 's red light district , and the best thing you could find to do was play video games ?
50 Euro on 10 minutes of entertainment or 50 Euro on several hours of entertainment , you tell me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You were stranded in Amsterdam's red light district, and the best thing you could find to do was play video games?
50 Euro on 10 minutes of entertainment or 50 Euro on several hours of entertainment, you tell me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30906154</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903588</id>
	<title>Machine profiles would be a good idea</title>
	<author>sproketboy</author>
	<datestamp>1264518600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wished Windows or Linux had a feature to allow you to specify application sets in a special profile. When you logged in you could which machine configuration you wanted to log into. Then it would only run the apps specified in that profile (minus all the extra services etc from other software).</p><p>So I would have a Game profile which would have most extras turned off. AV scanners, Printer driver etc.. And a Work profile (SQL, Visual Studio, IntelliJ) etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wished Windows or Linux had a feature to allow you to specify application sets in a special profile .
When you logged in you could which machine configuration you wanted to log into .
Then it would only run the apps specified in that profile ( minus all the extra services etc from other software ) .So I would have a Game profile which would have most extras turned off .
AV scanners , Printer driver etc.. And a Work profile ( SQL , Visual Studio , IntelliJ ) etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wished Windows or Linux had a feature to allow you to specify application sets in a special profile.
When you logged in you could which machine configuration you wanted to log into.
Then it would only run the apps specified in that profile (minus all the extra services etc from other software).So I would have a Game profile which would have most extras turned off.
AV scanners, Printer driver etc.. And a Work profile (SQL, Visual Studio, IntelliJ) etc...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30915578</id>
	<title>Games are for wankers</title>
	<author>dogzdik</author>
	<datestamp>1264598040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given the costs and most of the bullshit the people in the companies impose and the generally piss poor service, I'd rather be out the shed doing stuff, instead of wasting my life on a computer screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the costs and most of the bullshit the people in the companies impose and the generally piss poor service , I 'd rather be out the shed doing stuff , instead of wasting my life on a computer screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the costs and most of the bullshit the people in the companies impose and the generally piss poor service, I'd rather be out the shed doing stuff, instead of wasting my life on a computer screen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903310</id>
	<title>Re:One of the many reasons I only play pirated gam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264517280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think I've heard of a TSR application for at least 15 years. Did you know we have multitasking operating systems now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think I 've heard of a TSR application for at least 15 years .
Did you know we have multitasking operating systems now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think I've heard of a TSR application for at least 15 years.
Did you know we have multitasking operating systems now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904440</id>
	<title>I never bought a game via Steam and never will</title>
	<author>moxsam</author>
	<datestamp>1264521720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had installed Steam back in the days of CS 1.6 when they made the transition to using Steam.

I know there are currently a lot of interesting independent games sold and distributed by Steam, and not to mention some of the major games. But I just don't want to install and load software onto my system that way. The whole idea that I use a content access system where I log in with an ID (wtf?!?) in order to browse and install games as "modules" is just freaking me out. I'm not in control of what is happening, although I'm the admin of my machine. That's just plain weird and wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had installed Steam back in the days of CS 1.6 when they made the transition to using Steam .
I know there are currently a lot of interesting independent games sold and distributed by Steam , and not to mention some of the major games .
But I just do n't want to install and load software onto my system that way .
The whole idea that I use a content access system where I log in with an ID ( wtf ? ! ?
) in order to browse and install games as " modules " is just freaking me out .
I 'm not in control of what is happening , although I 'm the admin of my machine .
That 's just plain weird and wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had installed Steam back in the days of CS 1.6 when they made the transition to using Steam.
I know there are currently a lot of interesting independent games sold and distributed by Steam, and not to mention some of the major games.
But I just don't want to install and load software onto my system that way.
The whole idea that I use a content access system where I log in with an ID (wtf?!?
) in order to browse and install games as "modules" is just freaking me out.
I'm not in control of what is happening, although I'm the admin of my machine.
That's just plain weird and wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902698</id>
	<title>Re:Typical /. BS</title>
	<author>lupis42</author>
	<datestamp>1264513440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah but what about the games that use Impulse, Direct2Drive, etc.  The problem isn't Steam per se, the problem is that each publisher has at least one option, and sometimes two or three.  For example, I own Red Alert 3, which I bought through Steam.  But in order to play multiplayer, I need some stupid Gamespy program as well?  I have Supreme commander, which I bought through Impulse, and which also requires Games for Windows Live.  Why do I need 4 helper apps for 2 games?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah but what about the games that use Impulse , Direct2Drive , etc .
The problem is n't Steam per se , the problem is that each publisher has at least one option , and sometimes two or three .
For example , I own Red Alert 3 , which I bought through Steam .
But in order to play multiplayer , I need some stupid Gamespy program as well ?
I have Supreme commander , which I bought through Impulse , and which also requires Games for Windows Live .
Why do I need 4 helper apps for 2 games ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah but what about the games that use Impulse, Direct2Drive, etc.
The problem isn't Steam per se, the problem is that each publisher has at least one option, and sometimes two or three.
For example, I own Red Alert 3, which I bought through Steam.
But in order to play multiplayer, I need some stupid Gamespy program as well?
I have Supreme commander, which I bought through Impulse, and which also requires Games for Windows Live.
Why do I need 4 helper apps for 2 games?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30909206</id>
	<title>Doesn't Bother me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264497480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I p2p all my games.  I let the fools who buy deal with all of the bullshit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I p2p all my games .
I let the fools who buy deal with all of the bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I p2p all my games.
I let the fools who buy deal with all of the bullshit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903236</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1264516800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>- for stuff that doesn't need to run all the time (and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category), perform the task(s) when the associated program itself starts.</i></p><p>Make sure to add "or when the user desires it" or you get shit like Games for Windows Live requiring you to have the game running and in focus while downloading the patch (which can take hours depending on the size and the progress indicator seems to consider downloading the final 1\% of the job), preventing you from doing anything else with the computer in the meantime. With Steam I can just start it and have it downloading in the background while I do other things, with GfWL doing anything else makes it cancel the download.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- for stuff that does n't need to run all the time ( and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category ) , perform the task ( s ) when the associated program itself starts.Make sure to add " or when the user desires it " or you get shit like Games for Windows Live requiring you to have the game running and in focus while downloading the patch ( which can take hours depending on the size and the progress indicator seems to consider downloading the final 1 \ % of the job ) , preventing you from doing anything else with the computer in the meantime .
With Steam I can just start it and have it downloading in the background while I do other things , with GfWL doing anything else makes it cancel the download .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- for stuff that doesn't need to run all the time (and checking for updates most definitely belongs in this category), perform the task(s) when the associated program itself starts.Make sure to add "or when the user desires it" or you get shit like Games for Windows Live requiring you to have the game running and in focus while downloading the patch (which can take hours depending on the size and the progress indicator seems to consider downloading the final 1\% of the job), preventing you from doing anything else with the computer in the meantime.
With Steam I can just start it and have it downloading in the background while I do other things, with GfWL doing anything else makes it cancel the download.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902486</id>
	<title>Ah yes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264511340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the reasons I quit PC gaming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons I quit PC gaming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons I quit PC gaming.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30913810</id>
	<title>GOG.com, great alternative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264529520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we need to rely much more on sites like GOG.com. Amazing good games; DRM free for dirt cheap. And considering the lack of better or more creative games of late, this is a delightful alternative. Although I do pirate a lot of software, I dearly hope that GOG games don't end up on torrent sites. The money paid is well worthwhile. Especially for the games which weren't so popular because they didn't hit the silly recent traditions of marketing games for the lazy consumer, rather than the old times when games used to be based on creative freedom and artistic visions... MMORPGs are so thin on gameplay, and seem to exist purely for money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we need to rely much more on sites like GOG.com .
Amazing good games ; DRM free for dirt cheap .
And considering the lack of better or more creative games of late , this is a delightful alternative .
Although I do pirate a lot of software , I dearly hope that GOG games do n't end up on torrent sites .
The money paid is well worthwhile .
Especially for the games which were n't so popular because they did n't hit the silly recent traditions of marketing games for the lazy consumer , rather than the old times when games used to be based on creative freedom and artistic visions... MMORPGs are so thin on gameplay , and seem to exist purely for money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we need to rely much more on sites like GOG.com.
Amazing good games; DRM free for dirt cheap.
And considering the lack of better or more creative games of late, this is a delightful alternative.
Although I do pirate a lot of software, I dearly hope that GOG games don't end up on torrent sites.
The money paid is well worthwhile.
Especially for the games which weren't so popular because they didn't hit the silly recent traditions of marketing games for the lazy consumer, rather than the old times when games used to be based on creative freedom and artistic visions... MMORPGs are so thin on gameplay, and seem to exist purely for money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903012</id>
	<title>Re:One of the many reasons I only play pirated gam</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1264515840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest problem is that you buy a game and you have the a PC of more than the minimum spec<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..and then you spend ages getting it to run because of all the verification, patches, upgrades it needs to run</p><p>What happened to the games you could run from the disk, or install in 5 minutes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>And on the day you internet connection goes down you cannot play them not because you no longer have a licence or it is unpatched, but simply because it cannot get access to the server to verify itself</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem is that you buy a game and you have the a PC of more than the minimum spec ..and then you spend ages getting it to run because of all the verification , patches , upgrades it needs to runWhat happened to the games you could run from the disk , or install in 5 minutes ....And on the day you internet connection goes down you can not play them not because you no longer have a licence or it is unpatched , but simply because it can not get access to the server to verify itself</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem is that you buy a game and you have the a PC of more than the minimum spec ..and then you spend ages getting it to run because of all the verification, patches, upgrades it needs to runWhat happened to the games you could run from the disk, or install in 5 minutes ....And on the day you internet connection goes down you cannot play them not because you no longer have a licence or it is unpatched, but simply because it cannot get access to the server to verify itself</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30914612</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>Waccoon</author>
	<datestamp>1264584540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's <em>not</em> your computer.  No common OS allows you to sandbox an app to just one folder, effectively cutting it off from the rest of the file system.  Installing someone else's software on your computer effectively make it their computer.</p><p>The fact that MS still defaults to creating an admin account by default doesn't help.</p><p>Heck, I just downloaded an update to Flash a few days ago, and Adobe installed a download manager as a Firefox extension.  If I hadn't manually removed it, it would still be running in the background, doing heaven knows what, slowing down my browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not your computer .
No common OS allows you to sandbox an app to just one folder , effectively cutting it off from the rest of the file system .
Installing someone else 's software on your computer effectively make it their computer.The fact that MS still defaults to creating an admin account by default does n't help.Heck , I just downloaded an update to Flash a few days ago , and Adobe installed a download manager as a Firefox extension .
If I had n't manually removed it , it would still be running in the background , doing heaven knows what , slowing down my browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not your computer.
No common OS allows you to sandbox an app to just one folder, effectively cutting it off from the rest of the file system.
Installing someone else's software on your computer effectively make it their computer.The fact that MS still defaults to creating an admin account by default doesn't help.Heck, I just downloaded an update to Flash a few days ago, and Adobe installed a download manager as a Firefox extension.
If I hadn't manually removed it, it would still be running in the background, doing heaven knows what, slowing down my browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904800</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>FuckTheModerators</author>
	<datestamp>1264522980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just these days?</p><p>This stuff really brings back memories of clearing out TSRs to run games in the early 90's.  Tweaking config.sys and autoexec.bat to clear out that last few k of memory so Doom would run.</p><p>This is not new.  Fewer people care at this point because resources are not as scarce, but companies have been doing this for a very long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just these days ? This stuff really brings back memories of clearing out TSRs to run games in the early 90 's .
Tweaking config.sys and autoexec.bat to clear out that last few k of memory so Doom would run.This is not new .
Fewer people care at this point because resources are not as scarce , but companies have been doing this for a very long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just these days?This stuff really brings back memories of clearing out TSRs to run games in the early 90's.
Tweaking config.sys and autoexec.bat to clear out that last few k of memory so Doom would run.This is not new.
Fewer people care at this point because resources are not as scarce, but companies have been doing this for a very long time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902920</id>
	<title>Re:Why the fuck do you think PC gaming is dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264515240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it still dying? I wish it'd hurry up, it's been on its last legs since 1986, apparently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it still dying ?
I wish it 'd hurry up , it 's been on its last legs since 1986 , apparently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it still dying?
I wish it'd hurry up, it's been on its last legs since 1986, apparently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30908310</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>Deosyne</author>
	<datestamp>1264536600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just played some Dungeon Keeper and Fallout 2 this weekend. Other older games like Quake/Quake 2, Unreal, and Outpost 1 and 2 regularly get loaded back up as well. The older city builders are almost always superior to their modern versions.</p><p>The oldest game that I play through every year or two would probably be Sentinel Worlds 1: Future Magic, which came out in 1989. Played it as a kid and then found it a few years ago in the bargain bin at a K-Mart for 99 cents. Probably the only time I've entered a K-Mart in the past decade, so astounding fortune on that one.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Some games just stay fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just played some Dungeon Keeper and Fallout 2 this weekend .
Other older games like Quake/Quake 2 , Unreal , and Outpost 1 and 2 regularly get loaded back up as well .
The older city builders are almost always superior to their modern versions.The oldest game that I play through every year or two would probably be Sentinel Worlds 1 : Future Magic , which came out in 1989 .
Played it as a kid and then found it a few years ago in the bargain bin at a K-Mart for 99 cents .
Probably the only time I 've entered a K-Mart in the past decade , so astounding fortune on that one .
: ) Some games just stay fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just played some Dungeon Keeper and Fallout 2 this weekend.
Other older games like Quake/Quake 2, Unreal, and Outpost 1 and 2 regularly get loaded back up as well.
The older city builders are almost always superior to their modern versions.The oldest game that I play through every year or two would probably be Sentinel Worlds 1: Future Magic, which came out in 1989.
Played it as a kid and then found it a few years ago in the bargain bin at a K-Mart for 99 cents.
Probably the only time I've entered a K-Mart in the past decade, so astounding fortune on that one.
:)Some games just stay fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902338</id>
	<title>5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>suso</author>
	<datestamp>1264510080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc. because the networks they connect with will be gone.</p><p>I think people will get fed up with it and the game publishers will have to change eventually, but not before a lot of damage will be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10 + years we will have a whole generation of games ( not just MMOs ) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators , etc .
because the networks they connect with will be gone.I think people will get fed up with it and the game publishers will have to change eventually , but not before a lot of damage will be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another thing to worry about is that in 10+ years we will have a whole generation of games (not just MMOs) that will no longer be able to be played on emulators, etc.
because the networks they connect with will be gone.I think people will get fed up with it and the game publishers will have to change eventually, but not before a lot of damage will be done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902534</id>
	<title>Typical /. BS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264511940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somehow keeping your games up to date with an unified process is a bad thing? My CDs with old games no longer work but Steam still supports old games. You go buy useless plastic crap I'll buy my games from Steam. Lets see whose games will last longer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow keeping your games up to date with an unified process is a bad thing ?
My CDs with old games no longer work but Steam still supports old games .
You go buy useless plastic crap I 'll buy my games from Steam .
Lets see whose games will last longer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow keeping your games up to date with an unified process is a bad thing?
My CDs with old games no longer work but Steam still supports old games.
You go buy useless plastic crap I'll buy my games from Steam.
Lets see whose games will last longer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30916200</id>
	<title>What I wouldn't give for a simple CD check</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1264602540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cd-check algorithms, I'm sorry I ever complained about you. In fact, you're still here. Problem is you're not alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cd-check algorithms , I 'm sorry I ever complained about you .
In fact , you 're still here .
Problem is you 're not alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cd-check algorithms, I'm sorry I ever complained about you.
In fact, you're still here.
Problem is you're not alone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902864</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1264514820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other words, these are DRM schemes, with all the inherent problems. My rule is simple: if I can't download it to my own machine and be able to ensure I can still run it 10 years from now, connected only to my own local network, I'm not interested. Doesn't matter whether it's movies, music, software, or games. There's no excuse for making these things dependent on something still existing and running thousands of miles from here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other words , these are DRM schemes , with all the inherent problems .
My rule is simple : if I ca n't download it to my own machine and be able to ensure I can still run it 10 years from now , connected only to my own local network , I 'm not interested .
Does n't matter whether it 's movies , music , software , or games .
There 's no excuse for making these things dependent on something still existing and running thousands of miles from here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other words, these are DRM schemes, with all the inherent problems.
My rule is simple: if I can't download it to my own machine and be able to ensure I can still run it 10 years from now, connected only to my own local network, I'm not interested.
Doesn't matter whether it's movies, music, software, or games.
There's no excuse for making these things dependent on something still existing and running thousands of miles from here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903576</id>
	<title>Easy Answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264518540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Though PC games offer the most flexibility (in terms of the hardware they run on) and the "wonder" that is keyboard and mouse play, that is really about where the best parts end.  The extra support that is required to secure, deploy, and support on multiple platforms that are only somewhat standardized produces the same problem: quality.  No one wants to buy buggy anything.</p><p>I see console gaming continuing to rise - a standard platform with expected results, defined limits, and a higher degree of quality (yes, some games are patched just as much but there seems to be more stringent standards for a ptach).  Plus, there is no system tray.  I made the switch in August of 2009 and haven't looked back since, except for Planet MULE which<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. carried a story on not too long ago.  I am happy with my XBox and am looking forward to buying Mass Effect 2 today.  Here's to standardized console gaming and a unique living room experience...</p><p>Yup, I happily drink the koolaid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Though PC games offer the most flexibility ( in terms of the hardware they run on ) and the " wonder " that is keyboard and mouse play , that is really about where the best parts end .
The extra support that is required to secure , deploy , and support on multiple platforms that are only somewhat standardized produces the same problem : quality .
No one wants to buy buggy anything.I see console gaming continuing to rise - a standard platform with expected results , defined limits , and a higher degree of quality ( yes , some games are patched just as much but there seems to be more stringent standards for a ptach ) .
Plus , there is no system tray .
I made the switch in August of 2009 and have n't looked back since , except for Planet MULE which / .
carried a story on not too long ago .
I am happy with my XBox and am looking forward to buying Mass Effect 2 today .
Here 's to standardized console gaming and a unique living room experience...Yup , I happily drink the koolaid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though PC games offer the most flexibility (in terms of the hardware they run on) and the "wonder" that is keyboard and mouse play, that is really about where the best parts end.
The extra support that is required to secure, deploy, and support on multiple platforms that are only somewhat standardized produces the same problem: quality.
No one wants to buy buggy anything.I see console gaming continuing to rise - a standard platform with expected results, defined limits, and a higher degree of quality (yes, some games are patched just as much but there seems to be more stringent standards for a ptach).
Plus, there is no system tray.
I made the switch in August of 2009 and haven't looked back since, except for Planet MULE which /.
carried a story on not too long ago.
I am happy with my XBox and am looking forward to buying Mass Effect 2 today.
Here's to standardized console gaming and a unique living room experience...Yup, I happily drink the koolaid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902868</id>
	<title>There are other content delivery systems...</title>
	<author>DiscountBorg(TM)</author>
	<datestamp>1264514880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...that will probably exist to meet the needs of us gamers who can't be bothered with having to jump through hoops to play a game.  For example, I'm frequently on the go, my gaming PC is a laptop, and there is nothing more annoying than having to rely on finding a sketchy wi-fi signal coming from somewhere just to be able to play my Steam-powered games.  (And no, realistically, offline mode in steam is simply not reliable).  So, given the choice to buy say for example Bioshock off of steam or from a system such as Direct2Drive that gives me a download and an install key, I'll avoid Steam when I can.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...that will probably exist to meet the needs of us gamers who ca n't be bothered with having to jump through hoops to play a game .
For example , I 'm frequently on the go , my gaming PC is a laptop , and there is nothing more annoying than having to rely on finding a sketchy wi-fi signal coming from somewhere just to be able to play my Steam-powered games .
( And no , realistically , offline mode in steam is simply not reliable ) .
So , given the choice to buy say for example Bioshock off of steam or from a system such as Direct2Drive that gives me a download and an install key , I 'll avoid Steam when I can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that will probably exist to meet the needs of us gamers who can't be bothered with having to jump through hoops to play a game.
For example, I'm frequently on the go, my gaming PC is a laptop, and there is nothing more annoying than having to rely on finding a sketchy wi-fi signal coming from somewhere just to be able to play my Steam-powered games.
(And no, realistically, offline mode in steam is simply not reliable).
So, given the choice to buy say for example Bioshock off of steam or from a system such as Direct2Drive that gives me a download and an install key, I'll avoid Steam when I can.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902476</id>
	<title>Thanks pirates!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264511280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You fucking cunts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You fucking cunts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You fucking cunts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902522</id>
	<title>Alternatives</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1264511820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the scenario could play out that way, and it would truly suck for gaming.</p><p>But we should keep perspective.  Here are some ways you can still have fun even if/when this nightmare scenario occurs:</p><ul><li>Go for a walk / bike ride / swim.</li><li>Grab a beer / coffee / soda with a friend you haven't seen in a while</li><li>Read a good, paper book.</li><li>Learn to cook your favorite food: Thai drunken noodles, some curry dish, a kick-butt chili recipe, chocolate chip cookies, etc.</li><li>Finally learn to play whatever instrument you've always wanted to learn.</li><li>Ask a local soup kitchen if they could use your help, even just once and for just a few hours.</li><li>Visit your parents.  If they're getting older, ask if they could use any help with the house, yard, etc.</li><li>Sign up for a college course or some other course that might benefit you later on.  Maybe take an introductory course at a trade school for basic plumbing, electrical, welding, etc.</li><li>If you have some nagging question about politics, medicine, religion, or economics: Crystallize the question into something specific, and hunt down an answer.</li><li>If you have a S.O., take him/her out for a date.</li></ul><p>All I'm saying is that even if we lose computer gaming from our lives, most of us can still be just as happy, as long as we get off our butts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the scenario could play out that way , and it would truly suck for gaming.But we should keep perspective .
Here are some ways you can still have fun even if/when this nightmare scenario occurs : Go for a walk / bike ride / swim.Grab a beer / coffee / soda with a friend you have n't seen in a whileRead a good , paper book.Learn to cook your favorite food : Thai drunken noodles , some curry dish , a kick-butt chili recipe , chocolate chip cookies , etc.Finally learn to play whatever instrument you 've always wanted to learn.Ask a local soup kitchen if they could use your help , even just once and for just a few hours.Visit your parents .
If they 're getting older , ask if they could use any help with the house , yard , etc.Sign up for a college course or some other course that might benefit you later on .
Maybe take an introductory course at a trade school for basic plumbing , electrical , welding , etc.If you have some nagging question about politics , medicine , religion , or economics : Crystallize the question into something specific , and hunt down an answer.If you have a S.O. , take him/her out for a date.All I 'm saying is that even if we lose computer gaming from our lives , most of us can still be just as happy , as long as we get off our butts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the scenario could play out that way, and it would truly suck for gaming.But we should keep perspective.
Here are some ways you can still have fun even if/when this nightmare scenario occurs:Go for a walk / bike ride / swim.Grab a beer / coffee / soda with a friend you haven't seen in a whileRead a good, paper book.Learn to cook your favorite food: Thai drunken noodles, some curry dish, a kick-butt chili recipe, chocolate chip cookies, etc.Finally learn to play whatever instrument you've always wanted to learn.Ask a local soup kitchen if they could use your help, even just once and for just a few hours.Visit your parents.
If they're getting older, ask if they could use any help with the house, yard, etc.Sign up for a college course or some other course that might benefit you later on.
Maybe take an introductory course at a trade school for basic plumbing, electrical, welding, etc.If you have some nagging question about politics, medicine, religion, or economics: Crystallize the question into something specific, and hunt down an answer.If you have a S.O., take him/her out for a date.All I'm saying is that even if we lose computer gaming from our lives, most of us can still be just as happy, as long as we get off our butts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902452</id>
	<title>No need for 16GB of memory?</title>
	<author>lehphyro</author>
	<datestamp>1264510980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who said 4gb of memory would be enough for anyone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who said 4gb of memory would be enough for anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who said 4gb of memory would be enough for anyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30906990</id>
	<title>I boycott all non-standard game delivery platforms</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264531440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I enjoy buying everything second-hand because I want the game industry (as it exists today) to collapse. Unless the developer releases source code for older games, I don't give a rat's ass about them. Most of these people just want to install malware on my PC to make my disks wear out.</p><p>I still buy new games from id Software. They are the only ones who treat customers with a shred of respect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I enjoy buying everything second-hand because I want the game industry ( as it exists today ) to collapse .
Unless the developer releases source code for older games , I do n't give a rat 's ass about them .
Most of these people just want to install malware on my PC to make my disks wear out.I still buy new games from id Software .
They are the only ones who treat customers with a shred of respect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I enjoy buying everything second-hand because I want the game industry (as it exists today) to collapse.
Unless the developer releases source code for older games, I don't give a rat's ass about them.
Most of these people just want to install malware on my PC to make my disks wear out.I still buy new games from id Software.
They are the only ones who treat customers with a shred of respect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902984</id>
	<title>Dawn of War 2</title>
	<author>MrNemesis</author>
	<datestamp>1264515660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I loved the original - I met a guy playing it in an apartment I rented in Amsterdam's red light district after Expedia failed to book my hotel - thought "wow, someone made an awesome looking 40k game!" and thus my foray into RTS' began. Didn't play a great deal online, mostly over the LAN with friends and beer, had a great time, and this served as a nice intro to Relic's superb WW2 RTS Company of Heroes, which I also love.</p><p>I was looking forward to the DoW sequel... until I found out that it would not only require Steam but also the obnoxious Games for Windows bullshit; not one but two annoying programs wanting to run and check up on me every time I want to boot into a game just to watch a 20 minute replay. Bioshock 2 was going to be a sure fire purchase until I found out it was getting Games for Windows as well - for a single player game?!</p><p>Fuck this whole "we'll dictate the terms in which we'll allow you to get value for the money you give us from now until the end of time!" attitude, games publishes seem to have contracted an acute case of Zeus syndrome; they think they're gods, they love playing absurd little mind games with all their paeons, they expect worship and sacrifice and they'll fuck you in the arse if they don't get it.</p><p>Console gaming is getting just as bad; my the next gen of consoles everything will be "rental" only, whether it's delivered on physical media or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I loved the original - I met a guy playing it in an apartment I rented in Amsterdam 's red light district after Expedia failed to book my hotel - thought " wow , someone made an awesome looking 40k game !
" and thus my foray into RTS ' began .
Did n't play a great deal online , mostly over the LAN with friends and beer , had a great time , and this served as a nice intro to Relic 's superb WW2 RTS Company of Heroes , which I also love.I was looking forward to the DoW sequel... until I found out that it would not only require Steam but also the obnoxious Games for Windows bullshit ; not one but two annoying programs wanting to run and check up on me every time I want to boot into a game just to watch a 20 minute replay .
Bioshock 2 was going to be a sure fire purchase until I found out it was getting Games for Windows as well - for a single player game ?
! Fuck this whole " we 'll dictate the terms in which we 'll allow you to get value for the money you give us from now until the end of time !
" attitude , games publishes seem to have contracted an acute case of Zeus syndrome ; they think they 're gods , they love playing absurd little mind games with all their paeons , they expect worship and sacrifice and they 'll fuck you in the arse if they do n't get it.Console gaming is getting just as bad ; my the next gen of consoles everything will be " rental " only , whether it 's delivered on physical media or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loved the original - I met a guy playing it in an apartment I rented in Amsterdam's red light district after Expedia failed to book my hotel - thought "wow, someone made an awesome looking 40k game!
" and thus my foray into RTS' began.
Didn't play a great deal online, mostly over the LAN with friends and beer, had a great time, and this served as a nice intro to Relic's superb WW2 RTS Company of Heroes, which I also love.I was looking forward to the DoW sequel... until I found out that it would not only require Steam but also the obnoxious Games for Windows bullshit; not one but two annoying programs wanting to run and check up on me every time I want to boot into a game just to watch a 20 minute replay.
Bioshock 2 was going to be a sure fire purchase until I found out it was getting Games for Windows as well - for a single player game?
!Fuck this whole "we'll dictate the terms in which we'll allow you to get value for the money you give us from now until the end of time!
" attitude, games publishes seem to have contracted an acute case of Zeus syndrome; they think they're gods, they love playing absurd little mind games with all their paeons, they expect worship and sacrifice and they'll fuck you in the arse if they don't get it.Console gaming is getting just as bad; my the next gen of consoles everything will be "rental" only, whether it's delivered on physical media or not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30903128</id>
	<title>Platform values: PC love freedom</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1264516380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want a platform where a single entity controls everything, even the right to run a game, so you can't play game A, because you have the creator of the platform to authorize it. There are consoles.</p><p>If you want freedom, you have the PC.</p><p>And withouth options, freedom is meaningless.  I use Steam, because is the best (read: more convenient, run smooth) system. But there are other options, so If I don't like Steam because whatever reason, I can switch to any other digital shop, like Impulse, or D2D.</p><p>FREEDOOM!.  If you don't like FREEDOOM, you will not like the proliferation of systems. If you hate freedom, you buy a console.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want a platform where a single entity controls everything , even the right to run a game , so you ca n't play game A , because you have the creator of the platform to authorize it .
There are consoles.If you want freedom , you have the PC.And withouth options , freedom is meaningless .
I use Steam , because is the best ( read : more convenient , run smooth ) system .
But there are other options , so If I do n't like Steam because whatever reason , I can switch to any other digital shop , like Impulse , or D2D.FREEDOOM ! .
If you do n't like FREEDOOM , you will not like the proliferation of systems .
If you hate freedom , you buy a console .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want a platform where a single entity controls everything, even the right to run a game, so you can't play game A, because you have the creator of the platform to authorize it.
There are consoles.If you want freedom, you have the PC.And withouth options, freedom is meaningless.
I use Steam, because is the best (read: more convenient, run smooth) system.
But there are other options, so If I don't like Steam because whatever reason, I can switch to any other digital shop, like Impulse, or D2D.FREEDOOM!.
If you don't like FREEDOOM, you will not like the proliferation of systems.
If you hate freedom, you buy a console.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902964</id>
	<title>Re:5, 10, 20 years down the road</title>
	<author>DiscountBorg(TM)</author>
	<datestamp>1264515420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I think that's exactly what they want...  absolute control over the distribution of their software.  It sucks for those of us who are genuinely interested in the history of gaming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I think that 's exactly what they want... absolute control over the distribution of their software .
It sucks for those of us who are genuinely interested in the history of gaming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I think that's exactly what they want...  absolute control over the distribution of their software.
It sucks for those of us who are genuinely interested in the history of gaming.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902338</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902336</id>
	<title>Steam and Electronic Arts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264510080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually for once EA is doing it correctly. You have 4 ways to buy their games (that I know of):</p><p>1) Physical product from store<br>2) Steam (where you get the goodness of Steam services and social aspects)<br>3) Direct2Drive<br>4) EA's own store and download manager</p><p>You can buy your game from any place you prefer. If you buy from other places, you won't get EA's own download manager or things. That's how it should - buyer can choose the platform he prefers. For me that is (unsurprisingly) Steam.</p><p>I'm sure not all people like the social gaming aspects of Steam and other platforms, but I do enjoy them. It's easy to play with friends or chat in-game (good with multiplayer games). But for those who don't like them, they can be turned off. I never buy from physical stores anymore, it's a lot more convenient to buy from Steam and almost instantly get to play it. I always keep wishing I could do the same with my PS3 or 360, but they usually only have the smaller games in their stores and I have to order the "real" games via post.</p><p>Good example of social aspects in Steam is also that via MW2 I've got many interesting players on my friend list so that theres always someone to play with, but they don't bother me if I'm not playing. It's more fun to play with the people you somewhat, even if very vaguely know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually for once EA is doing it correctly .
You have 4 ways to buy their games ( that I know of ) : 1 ) Physical product from store2 ) Steam ( where you get the goodness of Steam services and social aspects ) 3 ) Direct2Drive4 ) EA 's own store and download managerYou can buy your game from any place you prefer .
If you buy from other places , you wo n't get EA 's own download manager or things .
That 's how it should - buyer can choose the platform he prefers .
For me that is ( unsurprisingly ) Steam.I 'm sure not all people like the social gaming aspects of Steam and other platforms , but I do enjoy them .
It 's easy to play with friends or chat in-game ( good with multiplayer games ) .
But for those who do n't like them , they can be turned off .
I never buy from physical stores anymore , it 's a lot more convenient to buy from Steam and almost instantly get to play it .
I always keep wishing I could do the same with my PS3 or 360 , but they usually only have the smaller games in their stores and I have to order the " real " games via post.Good example of social aspects in Steam is also that via MW2 I 've got many interesting players on my friend list so that theres always someone to play with , but they do n't bother me if I 'm not playing .
It 's more fun to play with the people you somewhat , even if very vaguely know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually for once EA is doing it correctly.
You have 4 ways to buy their games (that I know of):1) Physical product from store2) Steam (where you get the goodness of Steam services and social aspects)3) Direct2Drive4) EA's own store and download managerYou can buy your game from any place you prefer.
If you buy from other places, you won't get EA's own download manager or things.
That's how it should - buyer can choose the platform he prefers.
For me that is (unsurprisingly) Steam.I'm sure not all people like the social gaming aspects of Steam and other platforms, but I do enjoy them.
It's easy to play with friends or chat in-game (good with multiplayer games).
But for those who don't like them, they can be turned off.
I never buy from physical stores anymore, it's a lot more convenient to buy from Steam and almost instantly get to play it.
I always keep wishing I could do the same with my PS3 or 360, but they usually only have the smaller games in their stores and I have to order the "real" games via post.Good example of social aspects in Steam is also that via MW2 I've got many interesting players on my friend list so that theres always someone to play with, but they don't bother me if I'm not playing.
It's more fun to play with the people you somewhat, even if very vaguely know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30905506</id>
	<title>Re:A common annoyance, not just in gaming</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1264525680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But it's <em>my</em> app, and mine is important!</p></div></blockquote><p>At least that's what I imagine they think.</p><p>Sadly, this is exactly the same thing spammers think.  What's one more email?</p><p>It's why I regularly police my windows startups with Autoruns.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it 's my app , and mine is important ! At least that 's what I imagine they think.Sadly , this is exactly the same thing spammers think .
What 's one more email ? It 's why I regularly police my windows startups with Autoruns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it's my app, and mine is important!At least that's what I imagine they think.Sadly, this is exactly the same thing spammers think.
What's one more email?It's why I regularly police my windows startups with Autoruns.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902816</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904160</id>
	<title>Getting the finger from the cloud.</title>
	<author>GrantRobertson</author>
	<datestamp>1264520760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the problem with frikkin cloud computing. Everybody and their brother wants to reach down from that cloud and stick their finger in your pie. When they are done they just give you the finger and you are left with a useless mess in your pie-tin. </p><p>Just imagine a sick cross between Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel and American Pie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the problem with frikkin cloud computing .
Everybody and their brother wants to reach down from that cloud and stick their finger in your pie .
When they are done they just give you the finger and you are left with a useless mess in your pie-tin .
Just imagine a sick cross between Michelangelo 's Sistine Chapel and American Pie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the problem with frikkin cloud computing.
Everybody and their brother wants to reach down from that cloud and stick their finger in your pie.
When they are done they just give you the finger and you are left with a useless mess in your pie-tin.
Just imagine a sick cross between Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel and American Pie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30904086</id>
	<title>Screw distribution platforms.</title>
	<author>mweather</author>
	<datestamp>1264520520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My favorite game distribution platform is the internet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My favorite game distribution platform is the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite game distribution platform is the internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902876</id>
	<title>OldSchool emulation</title>
	<author>DrYak</author>
	<datestamp>1264514940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Old school emulation suffers from this too :<br>- most of the original purchased magnetic-media have bit-rotten by now and/or the necessary hardware to read them (ALONG WITH all the protection weirdness - not just any reading drive, but one producing exactly the glitches on which the protection scheme relies) might be broken.</p><p>Meanwhile<br>- all the pirated versions are still around fully enjoying digital mortality (once a soft is only a bunch of bits - with no physical media or protection attached - it costs almost zero to copy it). Want to rediscover some long-lost gem ? No problem, just don't pay much attention to the "crack-tro" tacked at the beginning. And, as a bonus, you usually even got a "trainer" built-it so you can still enjoy the game even if our modern-day tastes are less into games were you constantly die.</p><p>"Pirates" are todays most corporate-hated criminal, but tomorrow people-loved archivists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Old school emulation suffers from this too : - most of the original purchased magnetic-media have bit-rotten by now and/or the necessary hardware to read them ( ALONG WITH all the protection weirdness - not just any reading drive , but one producing exactly the glitches on which the protection scheme relies ) might be broken.Meanwhile- all the pirated versions are still around fully enjoying digital mortality ( once a soft is only a bunch of bits - with no physical media or protection attached - it costs almost zero to copy it ) .
Want to rediscover some long-lost gem ?
No problem , just do n't pay much attention to the " crack-tro " tacked at the beginning .
And , as a bonus , you usually even got a " trainer " built-it so you can still enjoy the game even if our modern-day tastes are less into games were you constantly die .
" Pirates " are todays most corporate-hated criminal , but tomorrow people-loved archivists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Old school emulation suffers from this too :- most of the original purchased magnetic-media have bit-rotten by now and/or the necessary hardware to read them (ALONG WITH all the protection weirdness - not just any reading drive, but one producing exactly the glitches on which the protection scheme relies) might be broken.Meanwhile- all the pirated versions are still around fully enjoying digital mortality (once a soft is only a bunch of bits - with no physical media or protection attached - it costs almost zero to copy it).
Want to rediscover some long-lost gem ?
No problem, just don't pay much attention to the "crack-tro" tacked at the beginning.
And, as a bonus, you usually even got a "trainer" built-it so you can still enjoy the game even if our modern-day tastes are less into games were you constantly die.
"Pirates" are todays most corporate-hated criminal, but tomorrow people-loved archivists.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902576</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30902608</id>
	<title>One of the many reasons I only play pirated games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264512660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I double-click awesomegame.exe I DO NOT either expect or agree to awesomegame.exe launching three other TSR applications, modifying my system start up, filling up my taskbar, or anything else.</p><p>The cracked / pirated version is simply superior.</p><p>As long as game companies give me ZERO options, at any price bracket, just ZERO options, as though they are administrator of my computers and I am a mere user, then this will continue to be my policy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I double-click awesomegame.exe I DO NOT either expect or agree to awesomegame.exe launching three other TSR applications , modifying my system start up , filling up my taskbar , or anything else.The cracked / pirated version is simply superior.As long as game companies give me ZERO options , at any price bracket , just ZERO options , as though they are administrator of my computers and I am a mere user , then this will continue to be my policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I double-click awesomegame.exe I DO NOT either expect or agree to awesomegame.exe launching three other TSR applications, modifying my system start up, filling up my taskbar, or anything else.The cracked / pirated version is simply superior.As long as game companies give me ZERO options, at any price bracket, just ZERO options, as though they are administrator of my computers and I am a mere user, then this will continue to be my policy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_26_0656242.30906154</id>
	<title>Re:Dawn of War 2</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1264528020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I loved the original - I met a guy playing it in an apartment I rented in Amsterdam's red light district after Expedia failed to book my hotel - thought "wow, someone made an awesome looking 40k game!"</i></p><p>You were stranded in Amsterdam's red light district, and the best thing you could find to do was play video games?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I loved the original - I met a guy playing it in an apartment I rented in Amsterdam 's red light district after Expedia failed to book my hotel - thought " wow , someone made an awesome looking 40k game !
" You were stranded in Amsterdam 's red light district , and the best thing you could find to do was play video games ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loved the original - I met a guy playing it in an apartment I rented in Amsterdam's red light district after Expedia failed to book my hotel - thought "wow, someone made an awesome looking 40k game!
"You were stranded in Amsterdam's red light district, and the best thing you could find to do was play video games?</sentencetext>
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	<title>This is the DM of the Rings guy</title>
	<author>dcoe</author>
	<datestamp>1264518540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>... for those of you who don't recall</p><p>http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=612</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... for those of you who do n't recallhttp : //www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/ ? p = 612</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... for those of you who don't recallhttp://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=612</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's like Betamax vs VHS only worse</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1264514520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The natural conclusion from the article is that Game Distribution Platforms seem to be affected by networking effects - buyers gravitate to the one with the most games, sellers gravitate to the one where most buyers go to. This means that the market will move towards a situation where there are only one or two winners.</p><p>This might seem like a good thing (fewer random background tasks running in people's PCs) until you think about those people that bought games in what turned out <b>not</b> to be one of the winning platforms: the games that they bought in that/those platforms typically will stop working when the servers are turned off (or, at best, you won't be able to do a new install ever again due to online activation).</p><p>This is a bit like VHS vs Betamax (or HD-DVD vs Blueray) only much worse: anybody that bought movies in Betamax format can still play them as long as their Betamax player works, but anybody that buys a game that authenticates with a platform that later goes down will quite likelly be unable to play that game ever again once the authentication servers are stopped.</p><p>Considering that the really good games are still played 5 or 10 years later (pretty much any gamer over 30 will be well aquainted with the experience of rediscovering an "oldy but goody" and playing it again), and that the game publishers rarelly have any interest in keeping the game going once they stop selling it, even those whose games which where bought in a platform that is still going 5 of 10 years in the future still run the risk of having their games killed by after-sale, arbitrary planned obsolescence.</p><p>Me, I vote with my wallet and refuse to buy any games that have online activation and/or authentication for single player gaming (currently playing "X3:Terran Conflict" on the PC, bought after they removed DRM with patch 2.5): if others did the same the industry would give up on this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The natural conclusion from the article is that Game Distribution Platforms seem to be affected by networking effects - buyers gravitate to the one with the most games , sellers gravitate to the one where most buyers go to .
This means that the market will move towards a situation where there are only one or two winners.This might seem like a good thing ( fewer random background tasks running in people 's PCs ) until you think about those people that bought games in what turned out not to be one of the winning platforms : the games that they bought in that/those platforms typically will stop working when the servers are turned off ( or , at best , you wo n't be able to do a new install ever again due to online activation ) .This is a bit like VHS vs Betamax ( or HD-DVD vs Blueray ) only much worse : anybody that bought movies in Betamax format can still play them as long as their Betamax player works , but anybody that buys a game that authenticates with a platform that later goes down will quite likelly be unable to play that game ever again once the authentication servers are stopped.Considering that the really good games are still played 5 or 10 years later ( pretty much any gamer over 30 will be well aquainted with the experience of rediscovering an " oldy but goody " and playing it again ) , and that the game publishers rarelly have any interest in keeping the game going once they stop selling it , even those whose games which where bought in a platform that is still going 5 of 10 years in the future still run the risk of having their games killed by after-sale , arbitrary planned obsolescence.Me , I vote with my wallet and refuse to buy any games that have online activation and/or authentication for single player gaming ( currently playing " X3 : Terran Conflict " on the PC , bought after they removed DRM with patch 2.5 ) : if others did the same the industry would give up on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The natural conclusion from the article is that Game Distribution Platforms seem to be affected by networking effects - buyers gravitate to the one with the most games, sellers gravitate to the one where most buyers go to.
This means that the market will move towards a situation where there are only one or two winners.This might seem like a good thing (fewer random background tasks running in people's PCs) until you think about those people that bought games in what turned out not to be one of the winning platforms: the games that they bought in that/those platforms typically will stop working when the servers are turned off (or, at best, you won't be able to do a new install ever again due to online activation).This is a bit like VHS vs Betamax (or HD-DVD vs Blueray) only much worse: anybody that bought movies in Betamax format can still play them as long as their Betamax player works, but anybody that buys a game that authenticates with a platform that later goes down will quite likelly be unable to play that game ever again once the authentication servers are stopped.Considering that the really good games are still played 5 or 10 years later (pretty much any gamer over 30 will be well aquainted with the experience of rediscovering an "oldy but goody" and playing it again), and that the game publishers rarelly have any interest in keeping the game going once they stop selling it, even those whose games which where bought in a platform that is still going 5 of 10 years in the future still run the risk of having their games killed by after-sale, arbitrary planned obsolescence.Me, I vote with my wallet and refuse to buy any games that have online activation and/or authentication for single player gaming (currently playing "X3:Terran Conflict" on the PC, bought after they removed DRM with patch 2.5): if others did the same the industry would give up on this.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Future is now</title>
	<author>icsx</author>
	<datestamp>1264518960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>When Valve created Steam, they did it because there was no system for distributing games over internet and everyone said that the technology is 5-10 years in the future, not now. So we have had Steam now for several years and it's the most used games distribution system over internet.
<br> <br>
What comes to the game updating, internet connection speeds get faster. PC's get faster. Systems are online more and more daily so if everything is automatic and game gets a patch, it's not a very long waiting period when you have that downloaded. Of course it depends from your own internet connection.
<br> <br>
Some of these digital distributing services will either go down or will be bought by another but the faster these things start working together and putting up more games into the catalogs, the less issues there will be in the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When Valve created Steam , they did it because there was no system for distributing games over internet and everyone said that the technology is 5-10 years in the future , not now .
So we have had Steam now for several years and it 's the most used games distribution system over internet .
What comes to the game updating , internet connection speeds get faster .
PC 's get faster .
Systems are online more and more daily so if everything is automatic and game gets a patch , it 's not a very long waiting period when you have that downloaded .
Of course it depends from your own internet connection .
Some of these digital distributing services will either go down or will be bought by another but the faster these things start working together and putting up more games into the catalogs , the less issues there will be in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When Valve created Steam, they did it because there was no system for distributing games over internet and everyone said that the technology is 5-10 years in the future, not now.
So we have had Steam now for several years and it's the most used games distribution system over internet.
What comes to the game updating, internet connection speeds get faster.
PC's get faster.
Systems are online more and more daily so if everything is automatic and game gets a patch, it's not a very long waiting period when you have that downloaded.
Of course it depends from your own internet connection.
Some of these digital distributing services will either go down or will be bought by another but the faster these things start working together and putting up more games into the catalogs, the less issues there will be in the future.</sentencetext>
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