<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_25_1433218</id>
	<title>The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Car Starter</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1264431060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Wish you could start your car via your cell phone, but don't feel like ponying up the $40k for a Chevrolet Volt or $499 (plus $29 a year) for an aftermarket system from Viper? This hack relies on a cheap prepaid cellphone that has had its vibration motor surgically removed, replaced by <a href="http://davehacks.troublem8ker.com/wordpress/?p=99">a couple of leads triggering the car's starter</a>. Whenever the phone receives a call it starts up the car &mdash; a somewhat dodgy proposition if a telemarketer ever gets hold of your number, but an interesting solution nonetheless. Total cost of the project: $71.03."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Wish you could start your car via your cell phone , but do n't feel like ponying up the $ 40k for a Chevrolet Volt or $ 499 ( plus $ 29 a year ) for an aftermarket system from Viper ?
This hack relies on a cheap prepaid cellphone that has had its vibration motor surgically removed , replaced by a couple of leads triggering the car 's starter .
Whenever the phone receives a call it starts up the car    a somewhat dodgy proposition if a telemarketer ever gets hold of your number , but an interesting solution nonetheless .
Total cost of the project : $ 71.03 .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Wish you could start your car via your cell phone, but don't feel like ponying up the $40k for a Chevrolet Volt or $499 (plus $29 a year) for an aftermarket system from Viper?
This hack relies on a cheap prepaid cellphone that has had its vibration motor surgically removed, replaced by a couple of leads triggering the car's starter.
Whenever the phone receives a call it starts up the car — a somewhat dodgy proposition if a telemarketer ever gets hold of your number, but an interesting solution nonetheless.
Total cost of the project: $71.03.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890182</id>
	<title>As a starting point...</title>
	<author>berryjw</author>
	<datestamp>1264435560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This could get far more interesting if you coupled the phone to, say, a laptop, or a headless mini, and integrated that into the auto systems.  Then, you could call in, use a username/password, and have remarkable control over the vehicle - disable as well as start, for one.  Interesting possibilities...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This could get far more interesting if you coupled the phone to , say , a laptop , or a headless mini , and integrated that into the auto systems .
Then , you could call in , use a username/password , and have remarkable control over the vehicle - disable as well as start , for one .
Interesting possibilities.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could get far more interesting if you coupled the phone to, say, a laptop, or a headless mini, and integrated that into the auto systems.
Then, you could call in, use a username/password, and have remarkable control over the vehicle - disable as well as start, for one.
Interesting possibilities...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891256</id>
	<title>I see a few minor problems..</title>
	<author>miataninja</author>
	<datestamp>1264439400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this would perhaps try to start the car by routing power to the starter, but if the car is newer than ~10 years old, it would probably have a car alarm and an immobilizer. Since the immobilizer would still be in effect there would still not be any power to the fuel pump and the ignition so the engine wouldn't start anyway, and since the car alarm would also be active it would probably go off. Bummer, eh?

And besides, if you have a stick-shift car (manual gearbox) you'd better make sure it's in NEUTRAL before placing the call (and that the parking brake is engaged).

Oh, and you'd better hang up after the first signal because otherwise the starter would engage every ~5 seconds or so. Not very nice to the engine.

I think commercial aftermarket systems are a little safer. There are car alarms with these functions built in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this would perhaps try to start the car by routing power to the starter , but if the car is newer than ~ 10 years old , it would probably have a car alarm and an immobilizer .
Since the immobilizer would still be in effect there would still not be any power to the fuel pump and the ignition so the engine would n't start anyway , and since the car alarm would also be active it would probably go off .
Bummer , eh ?
And besides , if you have a stick-shift car ( manual gearbox ) you 'd better make sure it 's in NEUTRAL before placing the call ( and that the parking brake is engaged ) .
Oh , and you 'd better hang up after the first signal because otherwise the starter would engage every ~ 5 seconds or so .
Not very nice to the engine .
I think commercial aftermarket systems are a little safer .
There are car alarms with these functions built in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this would perhaps try to start the car by routing power to the starter, but if the car is newer than ~10 years old, it would probably have a car alarm and an immobilizer.
Since the immobilizer would still be in effect there would still not be any power to the fuel pump and the ignition so the engine wouldn't start anyway, and since the car alarm would also be active it would probably go off.
Bummer, eh?
And besides, if you have a stick-shift car (manual gearbox) you'd better make sure it's in NEUTRAL before placing the call (and that the parking brake is engaged).
Oh, and you'd better hang up after the first signal because otherwise the starter would engage every ~5 seconds or so.
Not very nice to the engine.
I think commercial aftermarket systems are a little safer.
There are car alarms with these functions built in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30889996</id>
	<title>Telemarketer solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264434900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On many phones you can group contacts and assign different ringing profiles. You could just program in allowed numbers and set all other calls to "silent".</p><p>I personally leave my car in gear (with the reverse locked in if I leave it for extended periods of time), so this would not be very practical.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On many phones you can group contacts and assign different ringing profiles .
You could just program in allowed numbers and set all other calls to " silent " .I personally leave my car in gear ( with the reverse locked in if I leave it for extended periods of time ) , so this would not be very practical .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On many phones you can group contacts and assign different ringing profiles.
You could just program in allowed numbers and set all other calls to "silent".I personally leave my car in gear (with the reverse locked in if I leave it for extended periods of time), so this would not be very practical.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30893176</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1264446360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in New England (Maine, specifically), and I personally see little use for a remote starter.  But I purchased a car that was meant to be used in this climate (glow plugs for the Diesel engine, heated seats, heated side mirrors, and a small electric coil in the windshield defroster to clear the windows quickly).  But a lot of cars simply aren't equipped that way.  Volvo, Saab, VW, and maybe a handful of other brands really know what cold weather means, and give you the tools to compensate for it.  With a lot of other cars, warmup is as much a safety issue as it is a comfort issue.</p><p>Heaven help you if you get salt or something else on the windshield and try to wash it off, only to discover that your windshield is cold enough to frost up your wiper fluid when spread thinly enough.  Instant, near-total blindness.</p><p>It's unfortunate that more auto manufacturers don't offer cold weather packages, but even when they do they can get expensive (more so than a remote starter).  It's probably cheaper to just run the thing for 10 minutes the 20-30 times a year you might need defrost.  It's not like it consumes gallons and gallons of fuel.</p><p>Having said all that, remote starters can and do get "abused".  If you're remote starting your car when it's well above the freezing temperature of your washer fluid, you really need to rethink how much that is costing you (in my opinion).  But, hey, it's great living in a free country where people can legally do things I consider stupid.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in New England ( Maine , specifically ) , and I personally see little use for a remote starter .
But I purchased a car that was meant to be used in this climate ( glow plugs for the Diesel engine , heated seats , heated side mirrors , and a small electric coil in the windshield defroster to clear the windows quickly ) .
But a lot of cars simply are n't equipped that way .
Volvo , Saab , VW , and maybe a handful of other brands really know what cold weather means , and give you the tools to compensate for it .
With a lot of other cars , warmup is as much a safety issue as it is a comfort issue.Heaven help you if you get salt or something else on the windshield and try to wash it off , only to discover that your windshield is cold enough to frost up your wiper fluid when spread thinly enough .
Instant , near-total blindness.It 's unfortunate that more auto manufacturers do n't offer cold weather packages , but even when they do they can get expensive ( more so than a remote starter ) .
It 's probably cheaper to just run the thing for 10 minutes the 20-30 times a year you might need defrost .
It 's not like it consumes gallons and gallons of fuel.Having said all that , remote starters can and do get " abused " .
If you 're remote starting your car when it 's well above the freezing temperature of your washer fluid , you really need to rethink how much that is costing you ( in my opinion ) .
But , hey , it 's great living in a free country where people can legally do things I consider stupid .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in New England (Maine, specifically), and I personally see little use for a remote starter.
But I purchased a car that was meant to be used in this climate (glow plugs for the Diesel engine, heated seats, heated side mirrors, and a small electric coil in the windshield defroster to clear the windows quickly).
But a lot of cars simply aren't equipped that way.
Volvo, Saab, VW, and maybe a handful of other brands really know what cold weather means, and give you the tools to compensate for it.
With a lot of other cars, warmup is as much a safety issue as it is a comfort issue.Heaven help you if you get salt or something else on the windshield and try to wash it off, only to discover that your windshield is cold enough to frost up your wiper fluid when spread thinly enough.
Instant, near-total blindness.It's unfortunate that more auto manufacturers don't offer cold weather packages, but even when they do they can get expensive (more so than a remote starter).
It's probably cheaper to just run the thing for 10 minutes the 20-30 times a year you might need defrost.
It's not like it consumes gallons and gallons of fuel.Having said all that, remote starters can and do get "abused".
If you're remote starting your car when it's well above the freezing temperature of your washer fluid, you really need to rethink how much that is costing you (in my opinion).
But, hey, it's great living in a free country where people can legally do things I consider stupid.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891544</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>aclarke</author>
	<datestamp>1264440180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because we North Americans (I'll include Canada so the Americans just write my comment off as racist) have a high percentage of lazy fat people who hate the outdoors.
<br> <br>
OK I'll temper that a bit.  We have winter, and many people dislike winter.  They wish to experience it as little as possible.  Therefore they start their cars before they get in, so they don't have to scrape as much ice off their windscreens (or at least so it comes off easier).  Their car is also toasty warm quicker.
<br> <br>
In northern Europe, engine pre-heaters are more common.  I believe you can buy Volvos with petrol- or diesel-fired heaters from the factory.  That way your engine is truly warm and so is your interior, without wasting fuel pointlessly running your engine.  Those aren't factory options here and basically nobody does that because a) they've never heard of the option, and b) it would cost a couple thousand dollars.  I'd love to have one in my diesel Land Rover but I cheaped out and put in an electric recirculating coolant heater instead for a couple hundred dollars.
<br> <br>
You will note that both Webasto and Eberspacher are German companies.  Their presence in North America is mostly limited to transport trucks and other commercial vehicles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we North Americans ( I 'll include Canada so the Americans just write my comment off as racist ) have a high percentage of lazy fat people who hate the outdoors .
OK I 'll temper that a bit .
We have winter , and many people dislike winter .
They wish to experience it as little as possible .
Therefore they start their cars before they get in , so they do n't have to scrape as much ice off their windscreens ( or at least so it comes off easier ) .
Their car is also toasty warm quicker .
In northern Europe , engine pre-heaters are more common .
I believe you can buy Volvos with petrol- or diesel-fired heaters from the factory .
That way your engine is truly warm and so is your interior , without wasting fuel pointlessly running your engine .
Those are n't factory options here and basically nobody does that because a ) they 've never heard of the option , and b ) it would cost a couple thousand dollars .
I 'd love to have one in my diesel Land Rover but I cheaped out and put in an electric recirculating coolant heater instead for a couple hundred dollars .
You will note that both Webasto and Eberspacher are German companies .
Their presence in North America is mostly limited to transport trucks and other commercial vehicles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we North Americans (I'll include Canada so the Americans just write my comment off as racist) have a high percentage of lazy fat people who hate the outdoors.
OK I'll temper that a bit.
We have winter, and many people dislike winter.
They wish to experience it as little as possible.
Therefore they start their cars before they get in, so they don't have to scrape as much ice off their windscreens (or at least so it comes off easier).
Their car is also toasty warm quicker.
In northern Europe, engine pre-heaters are more common.
I believe you can buy Volvos with petrol- or diesel-fired heaters from the factory.
That way your engine is truly warm and so is your interior, without wasting fuel pointlessly running your engine.
Those aren't factory options here and basically nobody does that because a) they've never heard of the option, and b) it would cost a couple thousand dollars.
I'd love to have one in my diesel Land Rover but I cheaped out and put in an electric recirculating coolant heater instead for a couple hundred dollars.
You will note that both Webasto and Eberspacher are German companies.
Their presence in North America is mostly limited to transport trucks and other commercial vehicles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890214</id>
	<title>Security?</title>
	<author>MacroSlopp</author>
	<datestamp>1264435740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happen's if someone finds out your phone number?  Can they steal your car?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happen 's if someone finds out your phone number ?
Can they steal your car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happen's if someone finds out your phone number?
Can they steal your car?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30896742</id>
	<title>Re:Too cheap of a hack</title>
	<author>dualsportr</author>
	<datestamp>1264417620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maxrate - - This system you created has huge potential for car-sharing applications. I am extremely interested and would love to help you build a website or documentation.
Please contact me!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maxrate - - This system you created has huge potential for car-sharing applications .
I am extremely interested and would love to help you build a website or documentation .
Please contact me ! !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maxrate - - This system you created has huge potential for car-sharing applications.
I am extremely interested and would love to help you build a website or documentation.
Please contact me!!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892580</id>
	<title>IED</title>
	<author>jfroot</author>
	<datestamp>1264443600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also a good way to make an IED trigger. In that case, you reallly don't want a telemarketer to call when your doing the final arming stages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also a good way to make an IED trigger .
In that case , you reallly do n't want a telemarketer to call when your doing the final arming stages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also a good way to make an IED trigger.
In that case, you reallly don't want a telemarketer to call when your doing the final arming stages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891046</id>
	<title>Do Not Disturb feature</title>
	<author>PetiePooo</author>
	<datestamp>1264438740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could use the standard Do Not Disturb (DND) feature.  Callers are greeted with an announcement instead of ringback, and only callers knowing the correct PIN are allowed through.

<br> <br>Its a standard LSSGR and PacketCable feature, MSOs should have it too...</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could use the standard Do Not Disturb ( DND ) feature .
Callers are greeted with an announcement instead of ringback , and only callers knowing the correct PIN are allowed through .
Its a standard LSSGR and PacketCable feature , MSOs should have it too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could use the standard Do Not Disturb (DND) feature.
Callers are greeted with an announcement instead of ringback, and only callers knowing the correct PIN are allowed through.
Its a standard LSSGR and PacketCable feature, MSOs should have it too...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30893746</id>
	<title>Re:Too cheap of a hack</title>
	<author>pwnies</author>
	<datestamp>1264448700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I was planning on building a website documenting it - but I'm horrible at putting webpages together.</p></div><p>This is too good not to have online. If you send me pictures and instructions, I'll help you build a site.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was planning on building a website documenting it - but I 'm horrible at putting webpages together.This is too good not to have online .
If you send me pictures and instructions , I 'll help you build a site .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was planning on building a website documenting it - but I'm horrible at putting webpages together.This is too good not to have online.
If you send me pictures and instructions, I'll help you build a site.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892060</id>
	<title>Re:So many reasons NOT to do this</title>
	<author>icebraining</author>
	<datestamp>1264441980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about configuring your cellphone to only ring if the call is from your number?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about configuring your cellphone to only ring if the call is from your number ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about configuring your cellphone to only ring if the call is from your number?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30894900</id>
	<title>Why not BT it?</title>
	<author>JDLazarus</author>
	<datestamp>1264410480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it make sense to create a custom bluetooth setup to do the same thing?  I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it make sense to create a custom bluetooth setup to do the same thing ?
I 'm sure it would n't be that difficult.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it make sense to create a custom bluetooth setup to do the same thing?
I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30894322</id>
	<title>WHY?!!??</title>
	<author>uvajed\_ekil</author>
	<datestamp>1264451460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you need to do this? For $70, a bunch of work, and to open yourself up to a hugely major security and safety risk? I'm not sure where the poster lives, but there are plenty of companies who do aftermarket work on cars here and advertise that they will install proper remote start systems for something like $100-$150. I don't have a need for this, but if I did, I would pay $30 more to know it would work and not be triggered by a wrong number. You can probably build your own refrigerator and sofa out of other objects too, but there are stores that sell pre-made ones, you know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you need to do this ?
For $ 70 , a bunch of work , and to open yourself up to a hugely major security and safety risk ?
I 'm not sure where the poster lives , but there are plenty of companies who do aftermarket work on cars here and advertise that they will install proper remote start systems for something like $ 100- $ 150 .
I do n't have a need for this , but if I did , I would pay $ 30 more to know it would work and not be triggered by a wrong number .
You can probably build your own refrigerator and sofa out of other objects too , but there are stores that sell pre-made ones , you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you need to do this?
For $70, a bunch of work, and to open yourself up to a hugely major security and safety risk?
I'm not sure where the poster lives, but there are plenty of companies who do aftermarket work on cars here and advertise that they will install proper remote start systems for something like $100-$150.
I don't have a need for this, but if I did, I would pay $30 more to know it would work and not be triggered by a wrong number.
You can probably build your own refrigerator and sofa out of other objects too, but there are stores that sell pre-made ones, you know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890362</id>
	<title>Wooo!</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1264436340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Car Starter<br>
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Toaster<br>
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Coffee Machine<br>
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Front Door Lock<br>
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Laser-enhanced Shark Cage Opening Mechanism<br> <br>The possibilities are <b>endless!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>The DIY $ 10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Car Starter The DIY $ 10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Toaster The DIY $ 10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Coffee Machine The DIY $ 10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Front Door Lock The DIY $ 10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Laser-enhanced Shark Cage Opening Mechanism The possibilities are endless !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Car Starter
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Toaster
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Coffee Machine
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Front Door Lock
The DIY $10 Prepaid Cellphone Remote Laser-enhanced Shark Cage Opening Mechanism The possibilities are endless!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890948</id>
	<title>Re:Security?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264438380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens if someone finds your car key? Can they steal your car?</p><p>Interestingly, my car was stolen once; the thief stole the spare key, and the police wouldn't prosecute because posessing the key is deemed permission. If they stole your car by remote starter, the cops could prosecute if they found it.</p><p>The thief who stole my car traded the car for drugs, and the girl who traded drugs to the thief tried to kill her parents with it (broke both her mother's legs), and she was the one to be prosecuted for car thief, attempted murder, and several other charges. She wound up in a mental institution rather than prison.</p><p>I journaled about it somewhere but there are too many journals to search through to find it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens if someone finds your car key ?
Can they steal your car ? Interestingly , my car was stolen once ; the thief stole the spare key , and the police would n't prosecute because posessing the key is deemed permission .
If they stole your car by remote starter , the cops could prosecute if they found it.The thief who stole my car traded the car for drugs , and the girl who traded drugs to the thief tried to kill her parents with it ( broke both her mother 's legs ) , and she was the one to be prosecuted for car thief , attempted murder , and several other charges .
She wound up in a mental institution rather than prison.I journaled about it somewhere but there are too many journals to search through to find it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens if someone finds your car key?
Can they steal your car?Interestingly, my car was stolen once; the thief stole the spare key, and the police wouldn't prosecute because posessing the key is deemed permission.
If they stole your car by remote starter, the cops could prosecute if they found it.The thief who stole my car traded the car for drugs, and the girl who traded drugs to the thief tried to kill her parents with it (broke both her mother's legs), and she was the one to be prosecuted for car thief, attempted murder, and several other charges.
She wound up in a mental institution rather than prison.I journaled about it somewhere but there are too many journals to search through to find it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890616</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>radish</author>
	<datestamp>1264437180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've only been in the US a few years and I see people with these remote start setups quite a bit. The only thing is I have no idea why they're useful? I've never had any real desire to start my car when I'm walking towards it (which is what most people seem to do with them) and in fact it would be illegal in my home country. If anyone could explain what they're for I'd appreciate it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've only been in the US a few years and I see people with these remote start setups quite a bit .
The only thing is I have no idea why they 're useful ?
I 've never had any real desire to start my car when I 'm walking towards it ( which is what most people seem to do with them ) and in fact it would be illegal in my home country .
If anyone could explain what they 're for I 'd appreciate it : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've only been in the US a few years and I see people with these remote start setups quite a bit.
The only thing is I have no idea why they're useful?
I've never had any real desire to start my car when I'm walking towards it (which is what most people seem to do with them) and in fact it would be illegal in my home country.
If anyone could explain what they're for I'd appreciate it :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890556</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>Richard Steiner</author>
	<datestamp>1264437000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only time I would have seen a use for it was when the temp got under -20 degrees F back home.  It is nice to warm up the car when the wife is riding along.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>(That's roughly -28C or lower for the Celsius users out there...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only time I would have seen a use for it was when the temp got under -20 degrees F back home .
It is nice to warm up the car when the wife is riding along .
: - ) ( That 's roughly -28C or lower for the Celsius users out there... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only time I would have seen a use for it was when the temp got under -20 degrees F back home.
It is nice to warm up the car when the wife is riding along.
:-)(That's roughly -28C or lower for the Celsius users out there...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891250</id>
	<title>Remote Bombs</title>
	<author>SoTerrified</author>
	<datestamp>1264439400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's nice to finally see that technology developed to remotely set off terrorist bombs finally being used for something productive...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's nice to finally see that technology developed to remotely set off terrorist bombs finally being used for something productive.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's nice to finally see that technology developed to remotely set off terrorist bombs finally being used for something productive...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892108</id>
	<title>The first phrase that came to my mind reading this</title>
	<author>undecim</author>
	<datestamp>1264442100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Oops, sorry, wrong number."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Oops , sorry , wrong number .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Oops, sorry, wrong number.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890628</id>
	<title>Re:Phone cost</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264437240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your numbers are WAY off for Net10 and TracFone. TracFone's minutes are three times what Net10's are; I've used both. Net10 would be a good bet; you would only need to buy minutes if your card ran out, which iirc is about once a year. So you're talking thirty bucks a year -- you don't spend minutes if the phone isn't answered, and it wouldn't need to answer to start the car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your numbers are WAY off for Net10 and TracFone .
TracFone 's minutes are three times what Net10 's are ; I 've used both .
Net10 would be a good bet ; you would only need to buy minutes if your card ran out , which iirc is about once a year .
So you 're talking thirty bucks a year -- you do n't spend minutes if the phone is n't answered , and it would n't need to answer to start the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your numbers are WAY off for Net10 and TracFone.
TracFone's minutes are three times what Net10's are; I've used both.
Net10 would be a good bet; you would only need to buy minutes if your card ran out, which iirc is about once a year.
So you're talking thirty bucks a year -- you don't spend minutes if the phone isn't answered, and it wouldn't need to answer to start the car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890096</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30893198</id>
	<title>Re:Too cheap of a hack</title>
	<author>horza</author>
	<datestamp>1264446480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a great idea. If you know you have to leave for work at a certain hour, you can use an online calendar program that has the option to send you an alarm by sms. It sounds a really interesting project that many of us would like to read about. If you aren't good at putting together web pages, then get a free blog account such as Blogger or Livejournal. Make each aspect of the project into an article you post online.</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a great idea .
If you know you have to leave for work at a certain hour , you can use an online calendar program that has the option to send you an alarm by sms .
It sounds a really interesting project that many of us would like to read about .
If you are n't good at putting together web pages , then get a free blog account such as Blogger or Livejournal .
Make each aspect of the project into an article you post online.Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a great idea.
If you know you have to leave for work at a certain hour, you can use an online calendar program that has the option to send you an alarm by sms.
It sounds a really interesting project that many of us would like to read about.
If you aren't good at putting together web pages, then get a free blog account such as Blogger or Livejournal.
Make each aspect of the project into an article you post online.Phillip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30895084</id>
	<title>Hack-a-Day has blueprints...</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1264411260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember seeing an article on a DIY car starter with a cellphone, here it is.</p><p>Cell phone based car starter, another take<br><a href="http://hackaday.com/2010/01/19/cell-phone-based-car-starter-another-take/" title="hackaday.com">http://hackaday.com/2010/01/19/cell-phone-based-car-starter-another-take/</a> [hackaday.com]</p><p>GSM car starter<br><a href="http://hackaday.com/2010/01/15/gsm-car-starter/" title="hackaday.com">http://hackaday.com/2010/01/15/gsm-car-starter/</a> [hackaday.com]</p><p>Start the car with a wave of your hand<br><a href="http://hackaday.com/2010/01/14/start-the-car-with-a-wave-of-your-hand/" title="hackaday.com">http://hackaday.com/2010/01/14/start-the-car-with-a-wave-of-your-hand/</a> [hackaday.com]</p><p>Better yet, you can signup for a Google Voice(Beta) account and route all the calls you want to where you want them to go.</p><p>A lot of phones these days with GPS have software where if you send it a text message it will respond with its GPS coordinates or you can lock down the phone, I know some guy who did this with some of his expensive construction equiptment when he didn't want to buy a LoJack system. I use the Android app 'Mobile Defense' and have found my phone once when I left it at a restaurant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember seeing an article on a DIY car starter with a cellphone , here it is.Cell phone based car starter , another takehttp : //hackaday.com/2010/01/19/cell-phone-based-car-starter-another-take/ [ hackaday.com ] GSM car starterhttp : //hackaday.com/2010/01/15/gsm-car-starter/ [ hackaday.com ] Start the car with a wave of your handhttp : //hackaday.com/2010/01/14/start-the-car-with-a-wave-of-your-hand/ [ hackaday.com ] Better yet , you can signup for a Google Voice ( Beta ) account and route all the calls you want to where you want them to go.A lot of phones these days with GPS have software where if you send it a text message it will respond with its GPS coordinates or you can lock down the phone , I know some guy who did this with some of his expensive construction equiptment when he did n't want to buy a LoJack system .
I use the Android app 'Mobile Defense ' and have found my phone once when I left it at a restaurant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember seeing an article on a DIY car starter with a cellphone, here it is.Cell phone based car starter, another takehttp://hackaday.com/2010/01/19/cell-phone-based-car-starter-another-take/ [hackaday.com]GSM car starterhttp://hackaday.com/2010/01/15/gsm-car-starter/ [hackaday.com]Start the car with a wave of your handhttp://hackaday.com/2010/01/14/start-the-car-with-a-wave-of-your-hand/ [hackaday.com]Better yet, you can signup for a Google Voice(Beta) account and route all the calls you want to where you want them to go.A lot of phones these days with GPS have software where if you send it a text message it will respond with its GPS coordinates or you can lock down the phone, I know some guy who did this with some of his expensive construction equiptment when he didn't want to buy a LoJack system.
I use the Android app 'Mobile Defense' and have found my phone once when I left it at a restaurant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890322</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890704</id>
	<title>Is it legal to leave an unattended car running?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264437540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to an article in the Longmont Times (Colorado?) Jan 12 2010</p><blockquote><div><p>On cold mornings, it may be tempting to start the car and wait inside the house while the engine warms up, but police warn that the practice is against the law and attracts thieves.</p><p>In fact, the practice is such a problem that law enforcement has dubbed it &ldquo;puffing.&rdquo; Colorado Auto Theft Investigators, an association of law enforcement and insurance company investigators, designated this week as &ldquo;Puffer Week.&rdquo;</p></div></blockquote><p>NB this is applicable to cars on public property or highways, not in your driveway or garage!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to an article in the Longmont Times ( Colorado ?
) Jan 12 2010On cold mornings , it may be tempting to start the car and wait inside the house while the engine warms up , but police warn that the practice is against the law and attracts thieves.In fact , the practice is such a problem that law enforcement has dubbed it    puffing.    Colorado Auto Theft Investigators , an association of law enforcement and insurance company investigators , designated this week as    Puffer Week.    NB this is applicable to cars on public property or highways , not in your driveway or garage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to an article in the Longmont Times (Colorado?
) Jan 12 2010On cold mornings, it may be tempting to start the car and wait inside the house while the engine warms up, but police warn that the practice is against the law and attracts thieves.In fact, the practice is such a problem that law enforcement has dubbed it “puffing.” Colorado Auto Theft Investigators, an association of law enforcement and insurance company investigators, designated this week as “Puffer Week.”NB this is applicable to cars on public property or highways, not in your driveway or garage!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890648</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264437300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that it's better for the car itself to warm up before driving, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah it could n't possibly have anything to do with the fact that it 's better for the car itself to warm up before driving , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that it's better for the car itself to warm up before driving, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890288</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30895126</id>
	<title>phone activated...</title>
	<author>kobiashi maru</author>
	<datestamp>1264411440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"sorry, wrong number, i was trying to call my car...no, I am not crazy...see, i have this special built-in cellphone to my car that starts it up when it rings...no, I am not insane."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" sorry , wrong number , i was trying to call my car...no , I am not crazy...see , i have this special built-in cellphone to my car that starts it up when it rings...no , I am not insane .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"sorry, wrong number, i was trying to call my car...no, I am not crazy...see, i have this special built-in cellphone to my car that starts it up when it rings...no, I am not insane.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892886</id>
	<title>Re:Phone cost</title>
	<author>CKW</author>
	<datestamp>1264444920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>7-11 speakout baby.  Pre-paid that don't expire for one year.  If you top up, all minutes roll over to one more year.  I can't recall what the minimum purchase is, probably $25, and there's a minimum $1/mo 911 charge, so that's the base.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>7-11 speakout baby .
Pre-paid that do n't expire for one year .
If you top up , all minutes roll over to one more year .
I ca n't recall what the minimum purchase is , probably $ 25 , and there 's a minimum $ 1/mo 911 charge , so that 's the base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7-11 speakout baby.
Pre-paid that don't expire for one year.
If you top up, all minutes roll over to one more year.
I can't recall what the minimum purchase is, probably $25, and there's a minimum $1/mo 911 charge, so that's the base.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890096</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890408</id>
	<title>Spend the extra money and do it right</title>
	<author>fluffy99</author>
	<datestamp>1264436520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, this is a hack and a half.  That's one of the worst soldering and assembly jobs I've ever seen (cat5 for hookup wire?) I don't even see enough parts to make it work at all.  You'd need one relay to provide ignition power, then a second to hit the starter.  Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect (so the vehicle doesn't start moving), an auto shutdown so the vehicle won't run for days if you accidentally start it and forget, etc.</p><p>A cheap remote start kit like the Bulldog Security Deluxe 500 is $105 anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , this is a hack and a half .
That 's one of the worst soldering and assembly jobs I 've ever seen ( cat5 for hookup wire ?
) I do n't even see enough parts to make it work at all .
You 'd need one relay to provide ignition power , then a second to hit the starter .
Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect ( so the vehicle does n't start moving ) , an auto shutdown so the vehicle wo n't run for days if you accidentally start it and forget , etc.A cheap remote start kit like the Bulldog Security Deluxe 500 is $ 105 anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, this is a hack and a half.
That's one of the worst soldering and assembly jobs I've ever seen (cat5 for hookup wire?
) I don't even see enough parts to make it work at all.
You'd need one relay to provide ignition power, then a second to hit the starter.
Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect (so the vehicle doesn't start moving), an auto shutdown so the vehicle won't run for days if you accidentally start it and forget, etc.A cheap remote start kit like the Bulldog Security Deluxe 500 is $105 anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891322</id>
	<title>Bluetooth or similar alternative?</title>
	<author>nickruiz</author>
	<datestamp>1264439580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Granted, bluetooth is limited in range, but would it be possible (and secure) to try designing a remote starter using bluetooth? Most devices are limited to a 10m range, which would be disappointing for a car starter, but it seems like an interesting idea, nevertheless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , bluetooth is limited in range , but would it be possible ( and secure ) to try designing a remote starter using bluetooth ?
Most devices are limited to a 10m range , which would be disappointing for a car starter , but it seems like an interesting idea , nevertheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, bluetooth is limited in range, but would it be possible (and secure) to try designing a remote starter using bluetooth?
Most devices are limited to a 10m range, which would be disappointing for a car starter, but it seems like an interesting idea, nevertheless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890104</id>
	<title>Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264435260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not trying to joke around here. Are Americans truly so lazy these days that they can't take a minute to start their car using a key?</p><p>Aside from Alaska, New England and some of the midwest states in the north, the winters are never bad enough to need to run your vehicle briefly before driving.</p><p>There's just no reason (aside from being a "patriotic" American and wasting huge amounts of Middle Eastern oil) for an American to start their car when they are not in it and ready to drive somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not trying to joke around here .
Are Americans truly so lazy these days that they ca n't take a minute to start their car using a key ? Aside from Alaska , New England and some of the midwest states in the north , the winters are never bad enough to need to run your vehicle briefly before driving.There 's just no reason ( aside from being a " patriotic " American and wasting huge amounts of Middle Eastern oil ) for an American to start their car when they are not in it and ready to drive somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not trying to joke around here.
Are Americans truly so lazy these days that they can't take a minute to start their car using a key?Aside from Alaska, New England and some of the midwest states in the north, the winters are never bad enough to need to run your vehicle briefly before driving.There's just no reason (aside from being a "patriotic" American and wasting huge amounts of Middle Eastern oil) for an American to start their car when they are not in it and ready to drive somewhere.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30900874</id>
	<title>Re:Phone cost</title>
	<author>joeme1</author>
	<datestamp>1264447440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TracFone charges if the phone rings for more than thirty seconds, even if it isn't answered.  Kinda lame, but still pretty cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TracFone charges if the phone rings for more than thirty seconds , even if it is n't answered .
Kinda lame , but still pretty cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TracFone charges if the phone rings for more than thirty seconds, even if it isn't answered.
Kinda lame, but still pretty cheap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890628</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890234</id>
	<title>amateur hour</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264435860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow.  An old technique for IED detonation re-hashed for car starting.  A hack in the worst way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
An old technique for IED detonation re-hashed for car starting .
A hack in the worst way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
An old technique for IED detonation re-hashed for car starting.
A hack in the worst way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890346</id>
	<title>Use a tone decoder</title>
	<author>argee</author>
	<datestamp>1264436280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would have used a tone decoder.  They run in
the $30 - $40 range, and typically require
4 DTMF tones.

Set the phone to auto-answer on ring, a typical
mobile setup.

Plug the decoder into the phone jack.

Dial the phone, and it auto answers.  When you
see "connected" in your own cell, just press the
4-digit sequence.  The decoder starts the car.

No more worry about telemarketers.  And no taking
the cheap cell phone apart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have used a tone decoder .
They run in the $ 30 - $ 40 range , and typically require 4 DTMF tones .
Set the phone to auto-answer on ring , a typical mobile setup .
Plug the decoder into the phone jack .
Dial the phone , and it auto answers .
When you see " connected " in your own cell , just press the 4-digit sequence .
The decoder starts the car .
No more worry about telemarketers .
And no taking the cheap cell phone apart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have used a tone decoder.
They run in
the $30 - $40 range, and typically require
4 DTMF tones.
Set the phone to auto-answer on ring, a typical
mobile setup.
Plug the decoder into the phone jack.
Dial the phone, and it auto answers.
When you
see "connected" in your own cell, just press the
4-digit sequence.
The decoder starts the car.
No more worry about telemarketers.
And no taking
the cheap cell phone apart.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891904</id>
	<title>Re:Too bad this is illegal.</title>
	<author>GeckoAddict</author>
	<datestamp>1264441380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Remote Start (such as this case) means the keys aren't in it.  I know in my car, if it's remote started, it'll die as soon as you touch the brake.  My new car requires that I lock the doors before remote starting as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remote Start ( such as this case ) means the keys are n't in it .
I know in my car , if it 's remote started , it 'll die as soon as you touch the brake .
My new car requires that I lock the doors before remote starting as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remote Start (such as this case) means the keys aren't in it.
I know in my car, if it's remote started, it'll die as soon as you touch the brake.
My new car requires that I lock the doors before remote starting as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890878</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890832</id>
	<title>Re:More than that...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264437900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How old is your car? Mine's an '02 and it has not one but three door openers built in. If yours doesn't it would be far easier to rig a phone to open your garage; just hook a relay to the button inside the garage and to the opening phone's vibrator (you'd probably need a diode or four too). It would be far cheaper than a remote car starter, maybe five bucks worth of parts, plus the phone and minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How old is your car ?
Mine 's an '02 and it has not one but three door openers built in .
If yours does n't it would be far easier to rig a phone to open your garage ; just hook a relay to the button inside the garage and to the opening phone 's vibrator ( you 'd probably need a diode or four too ) .
It would be far cheaper than a remote car starter , maybe five bucks worth of parts , plus the phone and minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How old is your car?
Mine's an '02 and it has not one but three door openers built in.
If yours doesn't it would be far easier to rig a phone to open your garage; just hook a relay to the button inside the garage and to the opening phone's vibrator (you'd probably need a diode or four too).
It would be far cheaper than a remote car starter, maybe five bucks worth of parts, plus the phone and minutes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890208</id>
	<title>Meh. This is basically an adaptation</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1264435740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of your standard cell phone triggered terrorist bomb.  Nothing new here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of your standard cell phone triggered terrorist bomb .
Nothing new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of your standard cell phone triggered terrorist bomb.
Nothing new here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891494</id>
	<title>Re:So many reasons NOT to do this</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264440060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why not just put on a coat?<br></i></p><p>Well, a remote car starter it wouldn't help me much in the winter since my car seemingly takes forever to warm up when it's not actually moving, but would be great in the summer when temperatures inside the car get high enough that you can get heat stroke before the AC starts kicking in, plus the seats are too hot to sit on.</p><p>Parking in the shade is the best I can do. I wish they'd plant trees in parking lots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just put on a coat ? Well , a remote car starter it would n't help me much in the winter since my car seemingly takes forever to warm up when it 's not actually moving , but would be great in the summer when temperatures inside the car get high enough that you can get heat stroke before the AC starts kicking in , plus the seats are too hot to sit on.Parking in the shade is the best I can do .
I wish they 'd plant trees in parking lots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just put on a coat?Well, a remote car starter it wouldn't help me much in the winter since my car seemingly takes forever to warm up when it's not actually moving, but would be great in the summer when temperatures inside the car get high enough that you can get heat stroke before the AC starts kicking in, plus the seats are too hot to sit on.Parking in the shade is the best I can do.
I wish they'd plant trees in parking lots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892300</id>
	<title>With my luck...</title>
	<author>hAckz0r</author>
	<datestamp>1264442820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd go into work the day the political party solicitors discover my unpublished number, and I get to return back to it later having an empty gas tank in the middle of the night. Good thing there is a phone in the car!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...so I can use it to call AAA. I just hope there is some kind of timer on the phone that knows to turn off the car if its unoccupied (seat sensor not tripped). <p>

I have a lower cost solution. I own a Prius, and the keyfob acts as a remote in the sense that it just needs to be inside the car for the car to run. The door handle also knows if you have the keyfob is in your pocket so the car will automatically unlock. All I need to do is train my dog to carry the keyfob out to the car on his collar, open the door, hop inside and step on the starter button on the dash twice to get it started. A simple tug on a rope attached to the door and the inside will warm up nicely. Getting the dog to do all that could be very easy, as he very intelligent and always wants to go for a ride! The one downside is that I will have to tell him 'No' often, since most of the time I have to go to work. Maybe its not such a good idea. Its so hard to say 'No' to those big sad eyes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd go into work the day the political party solicitors discover my unpublished number , and I get to return back to it later having an empty gas tank in the middle of the night .
Good thing there is a phone in the car !
...so I can use it to call AAA .
I just hope there is some kind of timer on the phone that knows to turn off the car if its unoccupied ( seat sensor not tripped ) .
I have a lower cost solution .
I own a Prius , and the keyfob acts as a remote in the sense that it just needs to be inside the car for the car to run .
The door handle also knows if you have the keyfob is in your pocket so the car will automatically unlock .
All I need to do is train my dog to carry the keyfob out to the car on his collar , open the door , hop inside and step on the starter button on the dash twice to get it started .
A simple tug on a rope attached to the door and the inside will warm up nicely .
Getting the dog to do all that could be very easy , as he very intelligent and always wants to go for a ride !
The one downside is that I will have to tell him 'No ' often , since most of the time I have to go to work .
Maybe its not such a good idea .
Its so hard to say 'No ' to those big sad eyes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd go into work the day the political party solicitors discover my unpublished number, and I get to return back to it later having an empty gas tank in the middle of the night.
Good thing there is a phone in the car!
...so I can use it to call AAA.
I just hope there is some kind of timer on the phone that knows to turn off the car if its unoccupied (seat sensor not tripped).
I have a lower cost solution.
I own a Prius, and the keyfob acts as a remote in the sense that it just needs to be inside the car for the car to run.
The door handle also knows if you have the keyfob is in your pocket so the car will automatically unlock.
All I need to do is train my dog to carry the keyfob out to the car on his collar, open the door, hop inside and step on the starter button on the dash twice to get it started.
A simple tug on a rope attached to the door and the inside will warm up nicely.
Getting the dog to do all that could be very easy, as he very intelligent and always wants to go for a ride!
The one downside is that I will have to tell him 'No' often, since most of the time I have to go to work.
Maybe its not such a good idea.
Its so hard to say 'No' to those big sad eyes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891414</id>
	<title>Re:Phone cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264439820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got the Sprint family plan where second and third phones are $9/mo. My son got his own account a few months ago so I now have a spare phone with a cheap account that isn't being used. Might work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got the Sprint family plan where second and third phones are $ 9/mo .
My son got his own account a few months ago so I now have a spare phone with a cheap account that is n't being used .
Might work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got the Sprint family plan where second and third phones are $9/mo.
My son got his own account a few months ago so I now have a spare phone with a cheap account that isn't being used.
Might work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891096</id>
	<title>anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264438920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been doing this for years, to start my computer remotely. Parallel attach the phone's motor connectors to your PC's on switch. Don't tell me I'm the only one who did this.<br>
&nbsp; (wakeonlan doesn't work over internet, or you'd need a relay machine like a dd-wrt router which has a WOL tool in it's webbased manager).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been doing this for years , to start my computer remotely .
Parallel attach the phone 's motor connectors to your PC 's on switch .
Do n't tell me I 'm the only one who did this .
  ( wakeonlan does n't work over internet , or you 'd need a relay machine like a dd-wrt router which has a WOL tool in it 's webbased manager ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been doing this for years, to start my computer remotely.
Parallel attach the phone's motor connectors to your PC's on switch.
Don't tell me I'm the only one who did this.
  (wakeonlan doesn't work over internet, or you'd need a relay machine like a dd-wrt router which has a WOL tool in it's webbased manager).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891450</id>
	<title>Re:Spend the extra money and do it right</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264439880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect (so the vehicle doesn't start moving)</i></p><p>It's obviously not meant for a standard transmission, an automatic won't start if it's not in park or neutral. An auto-shutdown woudn't be too hard to impliment, just add a cheap timer that cuts power to the car's ignition.</p><p>As to the cheap hack, I didn't RTFM. I really didn't see any need to, the idea alone is enough for anybody with a rudimentary knowlege of electronics. No real engineering is needed for something like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect ( so the vehicle does n't start moving ) It 's obviously not meant for a standard transmission , an automatic wo n't start if it 's not in park or neutral .
An auto-shutdown woud n't be too hard to impliment , just add a cheap timer that cuts power to the car 's ignition.As to the cheap hack , I did n't RTFM .
I really did n't see any need to , the idea alone is enough for anybody with a rudimentary knowlege of electronics .
No real engineering is needed for something like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect (so the vehicle doesn't start moving)It's obviously not meant for a standard transmission, an automatic won't start if it's not in park or neutral.
An auto-shutdown woudn't be too hard to impliment, just add a cheap timer that cuts power to the car's ignition.As to the cheap hack, I didn't RTFM.
I really didn't see any need to, the idea alone is enough for anybody with a rudimentary knowlege of electronics.
No real engineering is needed for something like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890322</id>
	<title>Too cheap of a hack</title>
	<author>maxrate</author>
	<datestamp>1264436160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my opinion this is far too cheap of a hack.  You need more control.  I've personally built a very elaborate text message based system that incorporates anti-theft features/GPS/door lock/un-lock and other features.  Costs $11/month in a prepaid sim card.  Was great fun to construct using a microcontroller and various other parts.  I was planning on building a website documenting it - but I'm horrible at putting webpages together.  Other than the GPS, the cost wasn't that much more - but the unit does far more for me.  Working out the bugs however took a long time, so if you're in a hurry to get remote cell based car warm-up, this project is a start.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion this is far too cheap of a hack .
You need more control .
I 've personally built a very elaborate text message based system that incorporates anti-theft features/GPS/door lock/un-lock and other features .
Costs $ 11/month in a prepaid sim card .
Was great fun to construct using a microcontroller and various other parts .
I was planning on building a website documenting it - but I 'm horrible at putting webpages together .
Other than the GPS , the cost was n't that much more - but the unit does far more for me .
Working out the bugs however took a long time , so if you 're in a hurry to get remote cell based car warm-up , this project is a start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion this is far too cheap of a hack.
You need more control.
I've personally built a very elaborate text message based system that incorporates anti-theft features/GPS/door lock/un-lock and other features.
Costs $11/month in a prepaid sim card.
Was great fun to construct using a microcontroller and various other parts.
I was planning on building a website documenting it - but I'm horrible at putting webpages together.
Other than the GPS, the cost wasn't that much more - but the unit does far more for me.
Working out the bugs however took a long time, so if you're in a hurry to get remote cell based car warm-up, this project is a start.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890878</id>
	<title>Too bad this is illegal.</title>
	<author>theJML</author>
	<datestamp>1264438080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In most states letting your car start or run without you present is illegal. (yes, this includes starting your car and running back inside while the ice melts or the air cools). Also, it's not exactly the safest idea if you live in an area with high theft. I read a story a while back about some thieves that would cruise a nearby rich neighborhood and pop  a door on a car 'warming up in the drive way' drive off and surprise the owner when there was no car there anymore. This made even easier by people who leave their car UNLOCKED AND RUNNING in the driveway.</p><p>So you freeze your butt off for like 5 min, oh darn. If it's that big of a deal, get a garage or heated seats, or an engine block heater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In most states letting your car start or run without you present is illegal .
( yes , this includes starting your car and running back inside while the ice melts or the air cools ) .
Also , it 's not exactly the safest idea if you live in an area with high theft .
I read a story a while back about some thieves that would cruise a nearby rich neighborhood and pop a door on a car 'warming up in the drive way ' drive off and surprise the owner when there was no car there anymore .
This made even easier by people who leave their car UNLOCKED AND RUNNING in the driveway.So you freeze your butt off for like 5 min , oh darn .
If it 's that big of a deal , get a garage or heated seats , or an engine block heater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most states letting your car start or run without you present is illegal.
(yes, this includes starting your car and running back inside while the ice melts or the air cools).
Also, it's not exactly the safest idea if you live in an area with high theft.
I read a story a while back about some thieves that would cruise a nearby rich neighborhood and pop  a door on a car 'warming up in the drive way' drive off and surprise the owner when there was no car there anymore.
This made even easier by people who leave their car UNLOCKED AND RUNNING in the driveway.So you freeze your butt off for like 5 min, oh darn.
If it's that big of a deal, get a garage or heated seats, or an engine block heater.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890158</id>
	<title>More than that...</title>
	<author>OpenSourced</author>
	<datestamp>1264435500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd prefer my phone to be able to open my garage door. It should be a cinch, as it's all radio signals (I know, different frequencies, but hey! what about the universal radio chips that were supposed to be controlled by software?), but nope, if I forget my remote, I cannot use my phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd prefer my phone to be able to open my garage door .
It should be a cinch , as it 's all radio signals ( I know , different frequencies , but hey !
what about the universal radio chips that were supposed to be controlled by software ?
) , but nope , if I forget my remote , I can not use my phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd prefer my phone to be able to open my garage door.
It should be a cinch, as it's all radio signals (I know, different frequencies, but hey!
what about the universal radio chips that were supposed to be controlled by software?
), but nope, if I forget my remote, I cannot use my phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890402</id>
	<title>Not true: T-mo is $10/year</title>
	<author>moosehooey</author>
	<datestamp>1264436460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With T-mobile, you have to put on $100 at the start, but as long as you add some time once per year (minimum of $10) you keep all your minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With T-mobile , you have to put on $ 100 at the start , but as long as you add some time once per year ( minimum of $ 10 ) you keep all your minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With T-mobile, you have to put on $100 at the start, but as long as you add some time once per year (minimum of $10) you keep all your minutes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891008</id>
	<title>Re:Spend the extra money and do it right</title>
	<author>karnal</author>
	<datestamp>1264438560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You obviously didn't read the article.  He's plugged this into the aux on a remote starter that already exists, therefore not having to worry about all of the scenarios you just described.</p><p>One of the limitations of remote starter systems is getting the signal to the car to tell it to start.  I know Viper (and others) have a two-way system that greatly improves on the cheaper systems from a range perspective - and they even have an application for the iphone to start the car as well (note:  car must get signal, same as this project.)</p><p>I must say, it really grates on me when someone goes and shits all over an idea or an implementation here.  Let's face it - if some of us do things as a hobby and it's not to your expectations, well.... I'm sure he really really cares.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously did n't read the article .
He 's plugged this into the aux on a remote starter that already exists , therefore not having to worry about all of the scenarios you just described.One of the limitations of remote starter systems is getting the signal to the car to tell it to start .
I know Viper ( and others ) have a two-way system that greatly improves on the cheaper systems from a range perspective - and they even have an application for the iphone to start the car as well ( note : car must get signal , same as this project .
) I must say , it really grates on me when someone goes and shits all over an idea or an implementation here .
Let 's face it - if some of us do things as a hobby and it 's not to your expectations , well.... I 'm sure he really really cares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously didn't read the article.
He's plugged this into the aux on a remote starter that already exists, therefore not having to worry about all of the scenarios you just described.One of the limitations of remote starter systems is getting the signal to the car to tell it to start.
I know Viper (and others) have a two-way system that greatly improves on the cheaper systems from a range perspective - and they even have an application for the iphone to start the car as well (note:  car must get signal, same as this project.
)I must say, it really grates on me when someone goes and shits all over an idea or an implementation here.
Let's face it - if some of us do things as a hobby and it's not to your expectations, well.... I'm sure he really really cares.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892032</id>
	<title>How does one "remote start" an electric car/volt?</title>
	<author>naris</author>
	<datestamp>1264441800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does "ponying up $40K for a Volt" have anything even remotely to do with Remote starting your car?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does " ponying up $ 40K for a Volt " have anything even remotely to do with Remote starting your car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does "ponying up $40K for a Volt" have anything even remotely to do with Remote starting your car?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30896910</id>
	<title>Insurance still valid ????</title>
	<author>slincolne</author>
	<datestamp>1264418220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This appears to be a dangerous hack.<p>
I wonder if the owner has disclosed this modification to his insurance company ?</p><p>
I'm sure they would like to be financially responsible for the consequences should the car start and cause an accident.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This appears to be a dangerous hack .
I wonder if the owner has disclosed this modification to his insurance company ?
I 'm sure they would like to be financially responsible for the consequences should the car start and cause an accident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This appears to be a dangerous hack.
I wonder if the owner has disclosed this modification to his insurance company ?
I'm sure they would like to be financially responsible for the consequences should the car start and cause an accident.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890756</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264437660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would you want to do this? I still don't get it. Unless you're James Bond, and can also remotely drive the car, I don't see a need for this. <br>
The whole hot/cold climate thing, can't you just wait a minute for it to cool/warm? <br>
Sure you can brag about turning your car with your cellphone, but what next? Waste of gas, time and money, I just don't get it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you want to do this ?
I still do n't get it .
Unless you 're James Bond , and can also remotely drive the car , I do n't see a need for this .
The whole hot/cold climate thing , ca n't you just wait a minute for it to cool/warm ?
Sure you can brag about turning your car with your cellphone , but what next ?
Waste of gas , time and money , I just do n't get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you want to do this?
I still don't get it.
Unless you're James Bond, and can also remotely drive the car, I don't see a need for this.
The whole hot/cold climate thing, can't you just wait a minute for it to cool/warm?
Sure you can brag about turning your car with your cellphone, but what next?
Waste of gas, time and money, I just don't get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890288</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264436100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason Americans like remote starters is to get the car's heating or air conditioning to start working before they actually get in the car, due to the fact that most "tough" Americans are actually f**king hothouse flowers with one-degree comfort zones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason Americans like remote starters is to get the car 's heating or air conditioning to start working before they actually get in the car , due to the fact that most " tough " Americans are actually f * * king hothouse flowers with one-degree comfort zones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason Americans like remote starters is to get the car's heating or air conditioning to start working before they actually get in the car, due to the fact that most "tough" Americans are actually f**king hothouse flowers with one-degree comfort zones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890104</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890474</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>newdsfornerds</author>
	<datestamp>1264436760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right on. Yes, they really are that lazy and ignorant.
<br>
<a href="http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/cartalk/posts/list/669811.page" title="publicbroadcasting.net" rel="nofollow">http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/cartalk/posts/list/669811.page</a> [publicbroadcasting.net]

Also, you gunk up your catalytic converter while idling which creates back pressure on the exhaust system.
Cat converters are not cheap to replace.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on .
Yes , they really are that lazy and ignorant .
http : //action.publicbroadcasting.net/cartalk/posts/list/669811.page [ publicbroadcasting.net ] Also , you gunk up your catalytic converter while idling which creates back pressure on the exhaust system .
Cat converters are not cheap to replace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on.
Yes, they really are that lazy and ignorant.
http://action.publicbroadcasting.net/cartalk/posts/list/669811.page [publicbroadcasting.net]

Also, you gunk up your catalytic converter while idling which creates back pressure on the exhaust system.
Cat converters are not cheap to replace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890104</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30892910</id>
	<title>Better design</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1264445100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Here's a <a href="http://ashishrd.blogspot.com/2007/07/cell-phone-controlled-door-latch.html" title="blogspot.com">better solution.</a> [blogspot.com]  This design connects to the cell phone audio output (so you don't have to open the phone) and has a DTMF decoder chip, so you send it tones to make things happen.  That at least gives you some protection against random phone calls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a better solution .
[ blogspot.com ] This design connects to the cell phone audio output ( so you do n't have to open the phone ) and has a DTMF decoder chip , so you send it tones to make things happen .
That at least gives you some protection against random phone calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Here's a better solution.
[blogspot.com]  This design connects to the cell phone audio output (so you don't have to open the phone) and has a DTMF decoder chip, so you send it tones to make things happen.
That at least gives you some protection against random phone calls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890330</id>
	<title>DTMF</title>
	<author>Dan East</author>
	<datestamp>1264436220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A DTMF decoder, PIC microcontroller, and a couple dozen lines of assembly code and you could secure the system by requiring a code be entered on the calling phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A DTMF decoder , PIC microcontroller , and a couple dozen lines of assembly code and you could secure the system by requiring a code be entered on the calling phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A DTMF decoder, PIC microcontroller, and a couple dozen lines of assembly code and you could secure the system by requiring a code be entered on the calling phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890176</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>haderytn</author>
	<datestamp>1264435560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is frugality stupid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is frugality stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is frugality stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30897222</id>
	<title>Re:Too bad this is illegal.</title>
	<author>Rob the Bold</author>
	<datestamp>1264419960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In most states letting your car start or run without you present is illegal. (yes, this includes starting your car and running back inside while the ice melts or the air cools). Also, it's not exactly the safest idea if you live in an area with high theft. I read a story a while back about some thieves that would cruise a nearby rich neighborhood and pop  a door on a car 'warming up in the drive way' drive off and surprise the owner when there was no car there anymore. This made even easier by people who leave their car UNLOCKED AND RUNNING in the driveway.</p><p>So you freeze your butt off for like 5 min, oh darn. If it's that big of a deal, get a garage or heated seats, or an engine block heater.</p></div><p>All the places in the US I've lived, it's a municipal ordinance that outlaws leaving an unattended vehicle running -- where such a law existed at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In most states letting your car start or run without you present is illegal .
( yes , this includes starting your car and running back inside while the ice melts or the air cools ) .
Also , it 's not exactly the safest idea if you live in an area with high theft .
I read a story a while back about some thieves that would cruise a nearby rich neighborhood and pop a door on a car 'warming up in the drive way ' drive off and surprise the owner when there was no car there anymore .
This made even easier by people who leave their car UNLOCKED AND RUNNING in the driveway.So you freeze your butt off for like 5 min , oh darn .
If it 's that big of a deal , get a garage or heated seats , or an engine block heater.All the places in the US I 've lived , it 's a municipal ordinance that outlaws leaving an unattended vehicle running -- where such a law existed at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In most states letting your car start or run without you present is illegal.
(yes, this includes starting your car and running back inside while the ice melts or the air cools).
Also, it's not exactly the safest idea if you live in an area with high theft.
I read a story a while back about some thieves that would cruise a nearby rich neighborhood and pop  a door on a car 'warming up in the drive way' drive off and surprise the owner when there was no car there anymore.
This made even easier by people who leave their car UNLOCKED AND RUNNING in the driveway.So you freeze your butt off for like 5 min, oh darn.
If it's that big of a deal, get a garage or heated seats, or an engine block heater.All the places in the US I've lived, it's a municipal ordinance that outlaws leaving an unattended vehicle running -- where such a law existed at all.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30894176</id>
	<title>I beg -no yell- for enlightenment</title>
	<author>SpaghettiPattern</author>
	<datestamp>1264450920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First, why USD 71? I Bet I can get a phone for USD 20 where I live. If something is worth doing cheaply then it's worth going Scrooge.<br> <br>

Second, what's this thing with starting the car remotely? I mean, suddenly we can't be arsed to get into a car with the engine shut off?<br> <br>

Or is it because you want to run the air conditioning and cool the car down when it's hot? Well, open the fecking doors for 3 minutes and experience a temperature drop. It'll be quicker than running the air conditioning and -for what it's worth- save a bit on the environment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , why USD 71 ?
I Bet I can get a phone for USD 20 where I live .
If something is worth doing cheaply then it 's worth going Scrooge .
Second , what 's this thing with starting the car remotely ?
I mean , suddenly we ca n't be arsed to get into a car with the engine shut off ?
Or is it because you want to run the air conditioning and cool the car down when it 's hot ?
Well , open the fecking doors for 3 minutes and experience a temperature drop .
It 'll be quicker than running the air conditioning and -for what it 's worth- save a bit on the environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, why USD 71?
I Bet I can get a phone for USD 20 where I live.
If something is worth doing cheaply then it's worth going Scrooge.
Second, what's this thing with starting the car remotely?
I mean, suddenly we can't be arsed to get into a car with the engine shut off?
Or is it because you want to run the air conditioning and cool the car down when it's hot?
Well, open the fecking doors for 3 minutes and experience a temperature drop.
It'll be quicker than running the air conditioning and -for what it's worth- save a bit on the environment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891160</id>
	<title>Re:Spend the extra money and do it right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264439100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, this is a hack and a half.  That's one of the worst soldering and assembly jobs I've ever seen (cat5 for hookup wire?) I don't even see enough parts to make it work at all.  You'd need one relay to provide ignition power, then a second to hit the starter.  Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect (so the vehicle doesn't start moving), an auto shutdown so the vehicle won't run for days if you accidentally start it and forget, etc.</p><p>A cheap remote start kit like the Bulldog Security Deluxe 500 is $105 anyway.</p></div><p>Wow, were we looking at the same page?  It seemed pretty cleanly done to me: he used a perf board to hold the wire, did a reasonable job with soldering, nice neat assembly.  Were you expecting a professionally designed PCB?  CAT5 is perfectly good hookup wire, as long as you need solid core.  Really, when you're using short lengths of solid core hookup wire, pretty much all 24 gauge is the same, as long as you don't need super high speed signalling (not here), high temp (nope), extremely low crosstalk (no), high voltage (definitely not).  And CAT5 is cheap.  Using it from the box to the cell phone is probably not going to work very well long-term, since the wire will fatigue from vibrations, but this fellow is open about learning from his mistakes.  Furthermore, he used a terminal connector for the wires to the relay with heavier, stranded wire (a must for unsupported wire in an automotive environment), and he used crimp connectors and shrink tubing.  Bonus for both.</p><p>Seriously, speaking as an EE and automotive enthusiast, it's a pretty good job.  Granted, the Bulldog device sounds much better on paper (wow, their website is not only broken with missing images and pages, but also a PIA to navigate), but there's no fun in having designed it yourself.  This sort of hacking SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.  Or did you forget that that's where Linux comes from?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , this is a hack and a half .
That 's one of the worst soldering and assembly jobs I 've ever seen ( cat5 for hookup wire ?
) I do n't even see enough parts to make it work at all .
You 'd need one relay to provide ignition power , then a second to hit the starter .
Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect ( so the vehicle does n't start moving ) , an auto shutdown so the vehicle wo n't run for days if you accidentally start it and forget , etc.A cheap remote start kit like the Bulldog Security Deluxe 500 is $ 105 anyway.Wow , were we looking at the same page ?
It seemed pretty cleanly done to me : he used a perf board to hold the wire , did a reasonable job with soldering , nice neat assembly .
Were you expecting a professionally designed PCB ?
CAT5 is perfectly good hookup wire , as long as you need solid core .
Really , when you 're using short lengths of solid core hookup wire , pretty much all 24 gauge is the same , as long as you do n't need super high speed signalling ( not here ) , high temp ( nope ) , extremely low crosstalk ( no ) , high voltage ( definitely not ) .
And CAT5 is cheap .
Using it from the box to the cell phone is probably not going to work very well long-term , since the wire will fatigue from vibrations , but this fellow is open about learning from his mistakes .
Furthermore , he used a terminal connector for the wires to the relay with heavier , stranded wire ( a must for unsupported wire in an automotive environment ) , and he used crimp connectors and shrink tubing .
Bonus for both.Seriously , speaking as an EE and automotive enthusiast , it 's a pretty good job .
Granted , the Bulldog device sounds much better on paper ( wow , their website is not only broken with missing images and pages , but also a PIA to navigate ) , but there 's no fun in having designed it yourself .
This sort of hacking SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED .
Or did you forget that that 's where Linux comes from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, this is a hack and a half.
That's one of the worst soldering and assembly jobs I've ever seen (cat5 for hookup wire?
) I don't even see enough parts to make it work at all.
You'd need one relay to provide ignition power, then a second to hit the starter.
Plus there are no other features here like a neutral/park detect (so the vehicle doesn't start moving), an auto shutdown so the vehicle won't run for days if you accidentally start it and forget, etc.A cheap remote start kit like the Bulldog Security Deluxe 500 is $105 anyway.Wow, were we looking at the same page?
It seemed pretty cleanly done to me: he used a perf board to hold the wire, did a reasonable job with soldering, nice neat assembly.
Were you expecting a professionally designed PCB?
CAT5 is perfectly good hookup wire, as long as you need solid core.
Really, when you're using short lengths of solid core hookup wire, pretty much all 24 gauge is the same, as long as you don't need super high speed signalling (not here), high temp (nope), extremely low crosstalk (no), high voltage (definitely not).
And CAT5 is cheap.
Using it from the box to the cell phone is probably not going to work very well long-term, since the wire will fatigue from vibrations, but this fellow is open about learning from his mistakes.
Furthermore, he used a terminal connector for the wires to the relay with heavier, stranded wire (a must for unsupported wire in an automotive environment), and he used crimp connectors and shrink tubing.
Bonus for both.Seriously, speaking as an EE and automotive enthusiast, it's a pretty good job.
Granted, the Bulldog device sounds much better on paper (wow, their website is not only broken with missing images and pages, but also a PIA to navigate), but there's no fun in having designed it yourself.
This sort of hacking SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED.
Or did you forget that that's where Linux comes from?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30894608</id>
	<title>Re:Phone cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264452720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Net10 airtime expires - the cheapest you can get by with them is $15/month</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Net10 airtime expires - the cheapest you can get by with them is $ 15/month</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Net10 airtime expires - the cheapest you can get by with them is $15/month</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890628</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890924</id>
	<title>Terrible Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264438260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a perfect example of when DIY is not appropriate.  Imagine a telemarketer calling you and starting your car while it's in the garage (door closed).  You literally could kill yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a perfect example of when DIY is not appropriate .
Imagine a telemarketer calling you and starting your car while it 's in the garage ( door closed ) .
You literally could kill yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a perfect example of when DIY is not appropriate.
Imagine a telemarketer calling you and starting your car while it's in the garage (door closed).
You literally could kill yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890642</id>
	<title>Prepaid phone = recycled phone numbers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264437300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should be able to set a custom ring/vibrate for numbers in your address book, eliminating the false starts from everyone calling the last person who had your phone's number.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should be able to set a custom ring/vibrate for numbers in your address book , eliminating the false starts from everyone calling the last person who had your phone 's number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should be able to set a custom ring/vibrate for numbers in your address book, eliminating the false starts from everyone calling the last person who had your phone's number.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890670</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>Richard Steiner</author>
	<datestamp>1264437360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I should also add that starting the car early helps to heat up the windshield and other windows, making it quite a bit easier to scrape the car after an ice storm by partially melting the ice on the windows.</p><p>In other words, there are sometimes practical occasions to prestart the car, not just reasons based on comfort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I should also add that starting the car early helps to heat up the windshield and other windows , making it quite a bit easier to scrape the car after an ice storm by partially melting the ice on the windows.In other words , there are sometimes practical occasions to prestart the car , not just reasons based on comfort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I should also add that starting the car early helps to heat up the windshield and other windows, making it quite a bit easier to scrape the car after an ice storm by partially melting the ice on the windows.In other words, there are sometimes practical occasions to prestart the car, not just reasons based on comfort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890096</id>
	<title>Phone cost</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1264435260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, an AT&amp;T Go Phone costs minimum $100/year.  Net10 appears to cost $200/year.  Virgin Mobile costs $80, and TracFone costs $100.  So it isn't cheaper per year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , an AT&amp;T Go Phone costs minimum $ 100/year .
Net10 appears to cost $ 200/year .
Virgin Mobile costs $ 80 , and TracFone costs $ 100 .
So it is n't cheaper per year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, an AT&amp;T Go Phone costs minimum $100/year.
Net10 appears to cost $200/year.
Virgin Mobile costs $80, and TracFone costs $100.
So it isn't cheaper per year.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891840</id>
	<title>Re:Are Americans really this lazy?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1264441140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I won't waste gas warming the car up, but I do see why people do. It was -2F (-18C) a few days earlier this winter and I was sorely tempted to. And I'm not in Alaska, it's the middle of Illinois.</p><p>Cooling it off in the summer is even more importanat; it get up to 150F (65C) inside a car in the summer. The best you can do is roll the windows down until the 150F air is replaced by the 95F (35C) air, at which point the AC is starting to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wo n't waste gas warming the car up , but I do see why people do .
It was -2F ( -18C ) a few days earlier this winter and I was sorely tempted to .
And I 'm not in Alaska , it 's the middle of Illinois.Cooling it off in the summer is even more importanat ; it get up to 150F ( 65C ) inside a car in the summer .
The best you can do is roll the windows down until the 150F air is replaced by the 95F ( 35C ) air , at which point the AC is starting to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I won't waste gas warming the car up, but I do see why people do.
It was -2F (-18C) a few days earlier this winter and I was sorely tempted to.
And I'm not in Alaska, it's the middle of Illinois.Cooling it off in the summer is even more importanat; it get up to 150F (65C) inside a car in the summer.
The best you can do is roll the windows down until the 150F air is replaced by the 95F (35C) air, at which point the AC is starting to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890596</id>
	<title>More like</title>
	<author>kaizendojo</author>
	<datestamp>1264437120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>the do it yourself Homeland Security visit kit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the do it yourself Homeland Security visit kit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the do it yourself Homeland Security visit kit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30893210</id>
	<title>Re:Too cheap of a hack</title>
	<author>Rufty</author>
	<datestamp>1264446480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been playing with one of <a href="http://www.hwkitchen.com/products/gsm-playground/" title="hwkitchen.com">these</a> [hwkitchen.com]. Nice bit of kit, and can limit what's done by incoming number. Mine's currently (kinda) wired to a cat feeder...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been playing with one of these [ hwkitchen.com ] .
Nice bit of kit , and can limit what 's done by incoming number .
Mine 's currently ( kinda ) wired to a cat feeder.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been playing with one of these [hwkitchen.com].
Nice bit of kit, and can limit what's done by incoming number.
Mine's currently (kinda) wired to a cat feeder...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30893224</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1264446540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like the other poster, you obviously have not owned a car where the temperatures drop REALLY low.</p><p>Where I live, when it reaches minus 40, it will take 15 minutes of my car sitting in Idle for it to become <b>DRIVEABLE</b> - let alone the 20 to 30 before it would actually become a comfortable temperature. If I don't let it idle for that amount of time, it will stall about as soon as I try to put it into any gear. The gas line needs time to get the gasline antifreeze flowing - the oil needs time to warm up and get inside the cylinders (this is were plugging in your car is helpful).</p><p>You run the risk of harming your engine by driving before the oil has time to warm up and flow around. Nothing like a Seized engine because you didn't let your car warm up 10 minutes every morning.</p><p>Here in Canada - and some Northern States, a lot of countries in Europe, and probably Russia - Remote Car starters are a BIG thing.</p><p>However, its only like $120 dollars to get one done here for an automatic, and about $150 for a standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like the other poster , you obviously have not owned a car where the temperatures drop REALLY low.Where I live , when it reaches minus 40 , it will take 15 minutes of my car sitting in Idle for it to become DRIVEABLE - let alone the 20 to 30 before it would actually become a comfortable temperature .
If I do n't let it idle for that amount of time , it will stall about as soon as I try to put it into any gear .
The gas line needs time to get the gasline antifreeze flowing - the oil needs time to warm up and get inside the cylinders ( this is were plugging in your car is helpful ) .You run the risk of harming your engine by driving before the oil has time to warm up and flow around .
Nothing like a Seized engine because you did n't let your car warm up 10 minutes every morning.Here in Canada - and some Northern States , a lot of countries in Europe , and probably Russia - Remote Car starters are a BIG thing.However , its only like $ 120 dollars to get one done here for an automatic , and about $ 150 for a standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like the other poster, you obviously have not owned a car where the temperatures drop REALLY low.Where I live, when it reaches minus 40, it will take 15 minutes of my car sitting in Idle for it to become DRIVEABLE - let alone the 20 to 30 before it would actually become a comfortable temperature.
If I don't let it idle for that amount of time, it will stall about as soon as I try to put it into any gear.
The gas line needs time to get the gasline antifreeze flowing - the oil needs time to warm up and get inside the cylinders (this is were plugging in your car is helpful).You run the risk of harming your engine by driving before the oil has time to warm up and flow around.
Nothing like a Seized engine because you didn't let your car warm up 10 minutes every morning.Here in Canada - and some Northern States, a lot of countries in Europe, and probably Russia - Remote Car starters are a BIG thing.However, its only like $120 dollars to get one done here for an automatic, and about $150 for a standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30893580</id>
	<title>terrorism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264447920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sure, nice idea... but I'm afraid these instructions could easily be misused to make IEDs.</p><p>not sure why this mediocre idea with minimal usability has gotten such coverage especially given the potential for misuse in any number of violent applications... sure it's basic and anyone with minimal electronic skills could probably figure out anyway, but thought I'd bring that up.</p><p>There is a concept in Product Liability law called foreseeable misuse, where manufacturers must protect against obvious modifications that could change the function of the device or cause harm, etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sure , nice idea... but I 'm afraid these instructions could easily be misused to make IEDs.not sure why this mediocre idea with minimal usability has gotten such coverage especially given the potential for misuse in any number of violent applications... sure it 's basic and anyone with minimal electronic skills could probably figure out anyway , but thought I 'd bring that up.There is a concept in Product Liability law called foreseeable misuse , where manufacturers must protect against obvious modifications that could change the function of the device or cause harm , etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sure, nice idea... but I'm afraid these instructions could easily be misused to make IEDs.not sure why this mediocre idea with minimal usability has gotten such coverage especially given the potential for misuse in any number of violent applications... sure it's basic and anyone with minimal electronic skills could probably figure out anyway, but thought I'd bring that up.There is a concept in Product Liability law called foreseeable misuse, where manufacturers must protect against obvious modifications that could change the function of the device or cause harm, etc...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890388</id>
	<title>So many reasons NOT to do this</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1264436400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK, we've had the telemarketer accidentally starting the car. What about if you leave it in gear when someone accidentally starts it? I didn't see any safety interlocks or checks on this guy's lash-up. What about when the mobile phone company sends you a "helpful" (read: marketing) message to tell you about their wonderful new ways of getting your money<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... on the day after you go on holiday for a couple of weeks?
And that's leaving out ALL the reasons why you'd have to inform your insurance company so your policy wasn't invalidated for unapproved modifications, or to give them an excuse for not paying up if/when the car gets nicked.
<p>
And what actual benefits do you get? The knowledge that occasionally your vehicle will have burned a bit of fuel just so you can get intoa nice warm car. Why not just put on a coat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , we 've had the telemarketer accidentally starting the car .
What about if you leave it in gear when someone accidentally starts it ?
I did n't see any safety interlocks or checks on this guy 's lash-up .
What about when the mobile phone company sends you a " helpful " ( read : marketing ) message to tell you about their wonderful new ways of getting your money .... on the day after you go on holiday for a couple of weeks ?
And that 's leaving out ALL the reasons why you 'd have to inform your insurance company so your policy was n't invalidated for unapproved modifications , or to give them an excuse for not paying up if/when the car gets nicked .
And what actual benefits do you get ?
The knowledge that occasionally your vehicle will have burned a bit of fuel just so you can get intoa nice warm car .
Why not just put on a coat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, we've had the telemarketer accidentally starting the car.
What about if you leave it in gear when someone accidentally starts it?
I didn't see any safety interlocks or checks on this guy's lash-up.
What about when the mobile phone company sends you a "helpful" (read: marketing) message to tell you about their wonderful new ways of getting your money .... on the day after you go on holiday for a couple of weeks?
And that's leaving out ALL the reasons why you'd have to inform your insurance company so your policy wasn't invalidated for unapproved modifications, or to give them an excuse for not paying up if/when the car gets nicked.
And what actual benefits do you get?
The knowledge that occasionally your vehicle will have burned a bit of fuel just so you can get intoa nice warm car.
Why not just put on a coat?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890898</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Pretzalzz</author>
	<datestamp>1264438140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never actually seen one, but I've always assumed its for starting it from your house and letting it warm up in the winter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never actually seen one , but I 've always assumed its for starting it from your house and letting it warm up in the winter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never actually seen one, but I've always assumed its for starting it from your house and letting it warm up in the winter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890616</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30895044</id>
	<title>Re:Too cheap of a hack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264411080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry about putting together a web site. Just get Xara (about $30)and you don't have to know anything about webpages. You can just start typing and adding pics and docs, then move them around where ever you want. It will save you hours of time. Get the info out while you still have it fresh. Disclaimer: I don't work for them, but I was amazed at what their little web design program can do. Even my grandma could figure it out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry about putting together a web site .
Just get Xara ( about $ 30 ) and you do n't have to know anything about webpages .
You can just start typing and adding pics and docs , then move them around where ever you want .
It will save you hours of time .
Get the info out while you still have it fresh .
Disclaimer : I do n't work for them , but I was amazed at what their little web design program can do .
Even my grandma could figure it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry about putting together a web site.
Just get Xara (about $30)and you don't have to know anything about webpages.
You can just start typing and adding pics and docs, then move them around where ever you want.
It will save you hours of time.
Get the info out while you still have it fresh.
Disclaimer: I don't work for them, but I was amazed at what their little web design program can do.
Even my grandma could figure it out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890322</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30895852</id>
	<title>Re:More than that...</title>
	<author>treeves</author>
	<datestamp>1264414440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do you not just leave it in the car? I never take mine out of the car. (I also have a numeric keypad on the outside of the garage to open the door).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you not just leave it in the car ?
I never take mine out of the car .
( I also have a numeric keypad on the outside of the garage to open the door ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you not just leave it in the car?
I never take mine out of the car.
(I also have a numeric keypad on the outside of the garage to open the door).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30984134</id>
	<title>Re:Phone cost</title>
	<author>VeNoM0619</author>
	<datestamp>1265051640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You won't need remote start all year anyways. Only in the cold <b>winter</b> months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You wo n't need remote start all year anyways .
Only in the cold winter months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You won't need remote start all year anyways.
Only in the cold winter months.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30894246</id>
	<title>waiting for the modded sonic screwdriver..</title>
	<author>Destoo</author>
	<datestamp>1264451100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to include my remote car starter in a Sonic Screwdriver.<br>Any suggestion?<br>Maybe there is a "slim" version of universal remote car starters, or something with a smaller form factor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to include my remote car starter in a Sonic Screwdriver.Any suggestion ? Maybe there is a " slim " version of universal remote car starters , or something with a smaller form factor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to include my remote car starter in a Sonic Screwdriver.Any suggestion?Maybe there is a "slim" version of universal remote car starters, or something with a smaller form factor?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30891676</id>
	<title>Theft solution?</title>
	<author>lafflam</author>
	<datestamp>1264440600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think I 'd rather use a cell phone like this to remotely STOP my car in the event of theft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 'd rather use a cell phone like this to remotely STOP my car in the event of theft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I 'd rather use a cell phone like this to remotely STOP my car in the event of theft.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890192</id>
	<title>"I just want my phone call..."</title>
	<author>starglider29a</author>
	<datestamp>1264435680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Dark Knight, The Joker made good use of some variants of this idea. I'm sure the DHS will be very excited about a bunch of people buying pre-pad phones just to 'wire up yer car.'&amp;sarc;</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Dark Knight , The Joker made good use of some variants of this idea .
I 'm sure the DHS will be very excited about a bunch of people buying pre-pad phones just to 'wire up yer car .
'&amp;sarc ;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Dark Knight, The Joker made good use of some variants of this idea.
I'm sure the DHS will be very excited about a bunch of people buying pre-pad phones just to 'wire up yer car.
'&amp;sarc;</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30894768</id>
	<title>Kill switch please</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1264410060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Wish you could start your car via your cell phone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>No, but I often wish I could *stop* other peoples cars, as they 'drive' (sleep ?) their way near my daily cycle commute route.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Wish you could start your car via your cell phone ...No , but I often wish I could * stop * other peoples cars , as they 'drive ' ( sleep ?
) their way near my daily cycle commute route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Wish you could start your car via your cell phone ...No, but I often wish I could *stop* other peoples cars, as they 'drive' (sleep ?
) their way near my daily cycle commute route.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30898600</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>rrossman2</author>
	<datestamp>1264426740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My father had the same attitude, until I installed one for him. After you have one, you'll regret ever having a car without one. It's also good for parents of young kids. It allows you to warm the car up (in a safer fashion than leaving the keys in it running) or cool the car down before putting an infant inside</htmltext>
<tokenext>My father had the same attitude , until I installed one for him .
After you have one , you 'll regret ever having a car without one .
It 's also good for parents of young kids .
It allows you to warm the car up ( in a safer fashion than leaving the keys in it running ) or cool the car down before putting an infant inside</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My father had the same attitude, until I installed one for him.
After you have one, you'll regret ever having a car without one.
It's also good for parents of young kids.
It allows you to warm the car up (in a safer fashion than leaving the keys in it running) or cool the car down before putting an infant inside</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_1433218.30890616</parent>
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