<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_25_038209</id>
	<title>Visual Studio 2010 Forces Tab Indenting</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1264436760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"For years, Microsoft has allowed Visual Studio users to define arbitrary tab widths, often to the dismay of those viewing the resultant code in other editors. With VS 2010, it appears that they have taken the next step of <a href="https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=517188">forcing tab width to be the same as the indent size</a> in code. Two-space tabs anyone?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " For years , Microsoft has allowed Visual Studio users to define arbitrary tab widths , often to the dismay of those viewing the resultant code in other editors .
With VS 2010 , it appears that they have taken the next step of forcing tab width to be the same as the indent size in code .
Two-space tabs anyone ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "For years, Microsoft has allowed Visual Studio users to define arbitrary tab widths, often to the dismay of those viewing the resultant code in other editors.
With VS 2010, it appears that they have taken the next step of forcing tab width to be the same as the indent size in code.
Two-space tabs anyone?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30892480</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 still sucks but just not as much.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264443300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi ! You seem like a moron. Let me help you out. Here is the gist: Vista *also* came pre-installed. Win7 is being adopted at a much higher rate. That was the point of the article. It was also in the heading. Try to read, it can help.</p><p>If you wanted to make any relevant point at all, you could have looked up the PC sales figures to see if that explained the adoption rate. IMO, it wont. Its because people are actually going out and buying the damn thing because<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Heres a shocker for F/OSS cheerleaders.. THEY WANT AND PREFER IT OVER ALL THE COMPETING PRODUCTS THAT THEY KNOW OF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi !
You seem like a moron .
Let me help you out .
Here is the gist : Vista * also * came pre-installed .
Win7 is being adopted at a much higher rate .
That was the point of the article .
It was also in the heading .
Try to read , it can help.If you wanted to make any relevant point at all , you could have looked up the PC sales figures to see if that explained the adoption rate .
IMO , it wont .
Its because people are actually going out and buying the damn thing because .. Heres a shocker for F/OSS cheerleaders.. THEY WANT AND PREFER IT OVER ALL THE COMPETING PRODUCTS THAT THEY KNOW OF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi !
You seem like a moron.
Let me help you out.
Here is the gist: Vista *also* came pre-installed.
Win7 is being adopted at a much higher rate.
That was the point of the article.
It was also in the heading.
Try to read, it can help.If you wanted to make any relevant point at all, you could have looked up the PC sales figures to see if that explained the adoption rate.
IMO, it wont.
Its because people are actually going out and buying the damn thing because .. Heres a shocker for F/OSS cheerleaders.. THEY WANT AND PREFER IT OVER ALL THE COMPETING PRODUCTS THAT THEY KNOW OF.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886906</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264450080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tab up to the first non-white space character then use spaces for things that follow.</p></div><p>On the other hand I'd rather be thinking about the code and not whether I used the right combination of invisible characters (adding little glyphs to indicate tabs seems like the tail wagging the dog). Your recommended style requires a highly specialised editor or code formatter, at best.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tab up to the first non-white space character then use spaces for things that follow.On the other hand I 'd rather be thinking about the code and not whether I used the right combination of invisible characters ( adding little glyphs to indicate tabs seems like the tail wagging the dog ) .
Your recommended style requires a highly specialised editor or code formatter , at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tab up to the first non-white space character then use spaces for things that follow.On the other hand I'd rather be thinking about the code and not whether I used the right combination of invisible characters (adding little glyphs to indicate tabs seems like the tail wagging the dog).
Your recommended style requires a highly specialised editor or code formatter, at best.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886098</id>
	<title>Re:Best argument for using spaces</title>
	<author>God of Lemmings</author>
	<datestamp>1264355520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yep, it happens so much our workplace standardized on 3 space indentation; absolutely no tabs in the code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , it happens so much our workplace standardized on 3 space indentation ; absolutely no tabs in the code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, it happens so much our workplace standardized on 3 space indentation; absolutely no tabs in the code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887308</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>The New Andy</author>
	<datestamp>1264411440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you should use tabs all the way up to the indentation level you are at, and then use spaces if needed for vertical alignment, and then write what you want.<p>

If you use tabs for aligning stuff, then it breaks when you change the size of a tab.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you should use tabs all the way up to the indentation level you are at , and then use spaces if needed for vertical alignment , and then write what you want .
If you use tabs for aligning stuff , then it breaks when you change the size of a tab .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you should use tabs all the way up to the indentation level you are at, and then use spaces if needed for vertical alignment, and then write what you want.
If you use tabs for aligning stuff, then it breaks when you change the size of a tab.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30888998</id>
	<title>Re:Tabs vs. Spaces</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264430580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As you can plainly see, MS did not do any true research on this matter.</p><p>http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=Tabs&amp;word2=Spaces</p><p>Spaces FTW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As you can plainly see , MS did not do any true research on this matter.http : //www.googlefight.com/index.php ? lang = en \ _GB&amp;word1 = Tabs&amp;word2 = SpacesSpaces FTW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As you can plainly see, MS did not do any true research on this matter.http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=Tabs&amp;word2=SpacesSpaces FTW!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887688</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>osu-neko</author>
	<datestamp>1264416480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's still possible with spaces - writing a script that counts the number of spaces at the beginning of each line, divides by N, and multiplies the result by M is trivial in any scripting language. I suspect it would be a one-liner in Perl.</p></div><p>Been there, done that.  Sounds like a nice theory, doesn't work in practice, since despite however much they might protest otherwise, space indenters are sloppy, and you will find that your trivial script is flummoxed by the fact that people who start by indenting for spaces for one level indent anywhere from seven to nine for two levels deep, ten to fourteen for three levels deep, etc, with increasing imprecision until you actually get overlap and it's not clear at what indent level code should be based on the number of spaces.  Sure, you can figure it out, but it's not something that can be done with a trivial script.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's still possible with spaces - writing a script that counts the number of spaces at the beginning of each line , divides by N , and multiplies the result by M is trivial in any scripting language .
I suspect it would be a one-liner in Perl.Been there , done that .
Sounds like a nice theory , does n't work in practice , since despite however much they might protest otherwise , space indenters are sloppy , and you will find that your trivial script is flummoxed by the fact that people who start by indenting for spaces for one level indent anywhere from seven to nine for two levels deep , ten to fourteen for three levels deep , etc , with increasing imprecision until you actually get overlap and it 's not clear at what indent level code should be based on the number of spaces .
Sure , you can figure it out , but it 's not something that can be done with a trivial script .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's still possible with spaces - writing a script that counts the number of spaces at the beginning of each line, divides by N, and multiplies the result by M is trivial in any scripting language.
I suspect it would be a one-liner in Perl.Been there, done that.
Sounds like a nice theory, doesn't work in practice, since despite however much they might protest otherwise, space indenters are sloppy, and you will find that your trivial script is flummoxed by the fact that people who start by indenting for spaces for one level indent anywhere from seven to nine for two levels deep, ten to fourteen for three levels deep, etc, with increasing imprecision until you actually get overlap and it's not clear at what indent level code should be based on the number of spaces.
Sure, you can figure it out, but it's not something that can be done with a trivial script.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30889216</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264431780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?<br><br>Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X<br>versions.</p></div><p>How is that news either? You might as well have the headline, "McDonalds sells more burgers than $premium\_burger\_chain". The only "story" re: Win7 is that the adoption (from the stats) appears to be significantly concentrated among the Vista userbase.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt ? Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line , now more popular than all OS Xversions.How is that news either ?
You might as well have the headline , " McDonalds sells more burgers than $ premium \ _burger \ _chain " .
The only " story " re : Win7 is that the adoption ( from the stats ) appears to be significantly concentrated among the Vista userbase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS Xversions.How is that news either?
You might as well have the headline, "McDonalds sells more burgers than $premium\_burger\_chain".
The only "story" re: Win7 is that the adoption (from the stats) appears to be significantly concentrated among the Vista userbase.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30890980</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 still sucks but just not as much.</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1264438500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know quite a few BMW owners; they aren't the model of reliablity you're pretending they are.  There's even a known problem where the power window motors burn out, which had persitsed across several model years.  Not fun when your window won't roll back up when its raining.  They may have fixed it by now... but they have other issues as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know quite a few BMW owners ; they are n't the model of reliablity you 're pretending they are .
There 's even a known problem where the power window motors burn out , which had persitsed across several model years .
Not fun when your window wo n't roll back up when its raining .
They may have fixed it by now... but they have other issues as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know quite a few BMW owners; they aren't the model of reliablity you're pretending they are.
There's even a known problem where the power window motors burn out, which had persitsed across several model years.
Not fun when your window won't roll back up when its raining.
They may have fixed it by now... but they have other issues as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30885962</id>
	<title>Most editors do this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that most editors jump to the current indent level when you press tab - or if not, they should.  I can't imagine many people want tabs to really go eight spaces...</p><p>But this is why rather than using tab characters in code I've always felt editors should backfill with spaces instead of tabs (outside of editing makefiles of course!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that most editors jump to the current indent level when you press tab - or if not , they should .
I ca n't imagine many people want tabs to really go eight spaces...But this is why rather than using tab characters in code I 've always felt editors should backfill with spaces instead of tabs ( outside of editing makefiles of course !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that most editors jump to the current indent level when you press tab - or if not, they should.
I can't imagine many people want tabs to really go eight spaces...But this is why rather than using tab characters in code I've always felt editors should backfill with spaces instead of tabs (outside of editing makefiles of course!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887100</id>
	<title>How you win the FP</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1264452420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're curious, <a href="http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1522760&amp;cid=30886738" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">here</a> [slashdot.org] is how you win the first post thing.  Getting in first is not enough.  It's a grand start though, and I'm glad you've learned the trick.  I'm looking forward to what you can do with it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is on its way down, but the things you learn here will be useful elsewhere too.
</p><p>First, capture their attention by twisting a common meme or modern topic in the subject.
</p><p>In the body, capture their attention again with a concept that challenges the common thread, and close the first paragraph with a short intellectual call.  Don't use the subject line as the introductory sentence as some people really hate that and will mod you down for it no matter how good your post is.
</p><p>Once you have their attention you can push your meme without let as long as you are carefully correct or obviously intentionally incorrect to push the humor.  Don't switch from humor to serious or vice versa - it doesn't work. If you have advanced trolling skills you can leave an opening here for correction so that you can amplify your message amongst the replies - but be right because these folks will school you.  This is not the CNet crowd.  Limit yourself to three or four paragraphs, or the Wall-O-Text haters will mod you down (I'm well over their limit here but I don't care because I have near perfect Karma.  I can afford to school you).
</p><p>Nowhere in your post vary from the thread topic.  You can do that deep in the thread but you can't get away with it in a first post.
</p><p>Close with an action item, because if you've entertained them they want to reward you with forward action.  The "I Am Foredecker" tagline is awesome but it's not an action item. Jive?
</p><p>Oh, and you have about 180 seconds to get all that done if you're good, or 12 if you're not.  It helps to have some copypasta handy, but if you can't tailor it in time it's just wasted because they'll tear you up.
</p><p>You're doing fine - keep it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're curious , here [ slashdot.org ] is how you win the first post thing .
Getting in first is not enough .
It 's a grand start though , and I 'm glad you 've learned the trick .
I 'm looking forward to what you can do with it .
/. is on its way down , but the things you learn here will be useful elsewhere too .
First , capture their attention by twisting a common meme or modern topic in the subject .
In the body , capture their attention again with a concept that challenges the common thread , and close the first paragraph with a short intellectual call .
Do n't use the subject line as the introductory sentence as some people really hate that and will mod you down for it no matter how good your post is .
Once you have their attention you can push your meme without let as long as you are carefully correct or obviously intentionally incorrect to push the humor .
Do n't switch from humor to serious or vice versa - it does n't work .
If you have advanced trolling skills you can leave an opening here for correction so that you can amplify your message amongst the replies - but be right because these folks will school you .
This is not the CNet crowd .
Limit yourself to three or four paragraphs , or the Wall-O-Text haters will mod you down ( I 'm well over their limit here but I do n't care because I have near perfect Karma .
I can afford to school you ) .
Nowhere in your post vary from the thread topic .
You can do that deep in the thread but you ca n't get away with it in a first post .
Close with an action item , because if you 've entertained them they want to reward you with forward action .
The " I Am Foredecker " tagline is awesome but it 's not an action item .
Jive ? Oh , and you have about 180 seconds to get all that done if you 're good , or 12 if you 're not .
It helps to have some copypasta handy , but if you ca n't tailor it in time it 's just wasted because they 'll tear you up .
You 're doing fine - keep it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're curious, here [slashdot.org] is how you win the first post thing.
Getting in first is not enough.
It's a grand start though, and I'm glad you've learned the trick.
I'm looking forward to what you can do with it.
/. is on its way down, but the things you learn here will be useful elsewhere too.
First, capture their attention by twisting a common meme or modern topic in the subject.
In the body, capture their attention again with a concept that challenges the common thread, and close the first paragraph with a short intellectual call.
Don't use the subject line as the introductory sentence as some people really hate that and will mod you down for it no matter how good your post is.
Once you have their attention you can push your meme without let as long as you are carefully correct or obviously intentionally incorrect to push the humor.
Don't switch from humor to serious or vice versa - it doesn't work.
If you have advanced trolling skills you can leave an opening here for correction so that you can amplify your message amongst the replies - but be right because these folks will school you.
This is not the CNet crowd.
Limit yourself to three or four paragraphs, or the Wall-O-Text haters will mod you down (I'm well over their limit here but I don't care because I have near perfect Karma.
I can afford to school you).
Nowhere in your post vary from the thread topic.
You can do that deep in the thread but you can't get away with it in a first post.
Close with an action item, because if you've entertained them they want to reward you with forward action.
The "I Am Foredecker" tagline is awesome but it's not an action item.
Jive?
Oh, and you have about 180 seconds to get all that done if you're good, or 12 if you're not.
It helps to have some copypasta handy, but if you can't tailor it in time it's just wasted because they'll tear you up.
You're doing fine - keep it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886842</id>
	<title>Re:Visual Python</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1264363140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Visual Python anyone? Doesn't Python force tabbed spacing for scoping?</p></div><p>1) You must mean IronPython.</p><p>2) There's no Visual Studio integration for the current (2.x) version of IronPython. There used to be one for 1.x, but it had the status of a "sample VS language extension".</p><p>3) Python requires indentation, but doesn't require tabs (though it supports them).</p><p>4) Because the consequences of mixing tabs and spaces are much more nasty in Python, tabs are generally considered anathema among people who write in it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Visual Python anyone ?
Does n't Python force tabbed spacing for scoping ? 1 ) You must mean IronPython.2 ) There 's no Visual Studio integration for the current ( 2.x ) version of IronPython .
There used to be one for 1.x , but it had the status of a " sample VS language extension " .3 ) Python requires indentation , but does n't require tabs ( though it supports them ) .4 ) Because the consequences of mixing tabs and spaces are much more nasty in Python , tabs are generally considered anathema among people who write in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Visual Python anyone?
Doesn't Python force tabbed spacing for scoping?1) You must mean IronPython.2) There's no Visual Studio integration for the current (2.x) version of IronPython.
There used to be one for 1.x, but it had the status of a "sample VS language extension".3) Python requires indentation, but doesn't require tabs (though it supports them).4) Because the consequences of mixing tabs and spaces are much more nasty in Python, tabs are generally considered anathema among people who write in it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886012</id>
	<title>Best argument for using spaces</title>
	<author>smoot123</author>
	<datestamp>1264354800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's things like this that convinced me using spaces is the only way to fly.  You also need an editor that knows how to indent to the right place by inserting the right number of spaces (i.e. not vi out of the box or notepad).  Anything else will always get screwed up by someone or some tool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's things like this that convinced me using spaces is the only way to fly .
You also need an editor that knows how to indent to the right place by inserting the right number of spaces ( i.e .
not vi out of the box or notepad ) .
Anything else will always get screwed up by someone or some tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's things like this that convinced me using spaces is the only way to fly.
You also need an editor that knows how to indent to the right place by inserting the right number of spaces (i.e.
not vi out of the box or notepad).
Anything else will always get screwed up by someone or some tool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30892070</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1264441980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Typical Microsoft astroturfing. And you wonder why Microsoft is considered a tool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Typical Microsoft astroturfing .
And you wonder why Microsoft is considered a tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Typical Microsoft astroturfing.
And you wonder why Microsoft is considered a tool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886502</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264359000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. In my place, tabs are used for indentation and spaces are used for formatting. It stops the bullshit that some like 2 space indent, other likes 3 and some other may prefer 4 or 6 or even 8.</p><p>To make sure everyone knows what they are using and not to fsck up, spaced/tabs visualization is enabled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
In my place , tabs are used for indentation and spaces are used for formatting .
It stops the bullshit that some like 2 space indent , other likes 3 and some other may prefer 4 or 6 or even 8.To make sure everyone knows what they are using and not to fsck up , spaced/tabs visualization is enabled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
In my place, tabs are used for indentation and spaces are used for formatting.
It stops the bullshit that some like 2 space indent, other likes 3 and some other may prefer 4 or 6 or even 8.To make sure everyone knows what they are using and not to fsck up, spaced/tabs visualization is enabled.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886138</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264356060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) select several lines<br>2) press tab<br>3) lines have one more indentation level (depends on your IDE of course)<br>---<br>1) select several lines<br>2) press space<br>3) ???<br>4) no profit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) select several lines2 ) press tab3 ) lines have one more indentation level ( depends on your IDE of course ) ---1 ) select several lines2 ) press space3 ) ? ?
? 4 ) no profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) select several lines2) press tab3) lines have one more indentation level (depends on your IDE of course)---1) select several lines2) press space3) ??
?4) no profit</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30889006</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264430640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He was talking about the option to change tabs in to spaces. This is different than the tab and indent size.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He was talking about the option to change tabs in to spaces .
This is different than the tab and indent size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was talking about the option to change tabs in to spaces.
This is different than the tab and indent size.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30891266</id>
	<title>Re:Most editors do this...</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1264439400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a CS instructor that insisted on indenting with tabs; they liked to use whatever editor, and didn't want to scroll horizaonally for pages on pages.  Spaces would do that, but tabs where he set the tab size would not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a CS instructor that insisted on indenting with tabs ; they liked to use whatever editor , and did n't want to scroll horizaonally for pages on pages .
Spaces would do that , but tabs where he set the tab size would not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a CS instructor that insisted on indenting with tabs; they liked to use whatever editor, and didn't want to scroll horizaonally for pages on pages.
Spaces would do that, but tabs where he set the tab size would not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30892036</id>
	<title>Re:Foredecker is learning...</title>
	<author>StuartHankins</author>
	<datestamp>1264441860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mod parent up. Foredecker is astroturfing on behalf of Microsoft, a poor effort at best.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up .
Foredecker is astroturfing on behalf of Microsoft , a poor effort at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up.
Foredecker is astroturfing on behalf of Microsoft, a poor effort at best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887854</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1264418460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a very unfair characterisation; there's much more to kdawson than just Microsoft bashing.  Specifically, if you have some shitty snake oil vapourware that you'd like to peddle by shilling an advert thinly disguised as an article, he's your guy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a very unfair characterisation ; there 's much more to kdawson than just Microsoft bashing .
Specifically , if you have some shitty snake oil vapourware that you 'd like to peddle by shilling an advert thinly disguised as an article , he 's your guy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a very unfair characterisation; there's much more to kdawson than just Microsoft bashing.
Specifically, if you have some shitty snake oil vapourware that you'd like to peddle by shilling an advert thinly disguised as an article, he's your guy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887608</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>osu-neko</author>
	<datestamp>1264415520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.</p></div><p>I'm amazed that you can utter this with a straight face.  "behaves predictably" and "allows easy changing of width" are pretty much diametrically opposed concepts, at least if you actually share your code with any other human being.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Actually, the concepts go quite well together, and it's the latter part about easily changing widths that makes it much easier to share your code with others.  Why do you think the concepts are opposed?  Are you confusing "behaves predictably" with "appears identically", two completely orthogonal concepts?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.I 'm amazed that you can utter this with a straight face .
" behaves predictably " and " allows easy changing of width " are pretty much diametrically opposed concepts , at least if you actually share your code with any other human being .
...Actually , the concepts go quite well together , and it 's the latter part about easily changing widths that makes it much easier to share your code with others .
Why do you think the concepts are opposed ?
Are you confusing " behaves predictably " with " appears identically " , two completely orthogonal concepts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.I'm amazed that you can utter this with a straight face.
"behaves predictably" and "allows easy changing of width" are pretty much diametrically opposed concepts, at least if you actually share your code with any other human being.
...Actually, the concepts go quite well together, and it's the latter part about easily changing widths that makes it much easier to share your code with others.
Why do you think the concepts are opposed?
Are you confusing "behaves predictably" with "appears identically", two completely orthogonal concepts?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886864</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264449780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The biggest benefit to tabs (especially if you code in a corporate environment) is that people can view the code based on *their* preferred indentation / spacing e,.g. I may like my tabs to be 2 spaces, another developer may prefer 3 or 4 spaces.</p><p>By setting up their IDE / editor to their preferred tab width, the code indents to the way they like it.</p></div><p>It's still possible with spaces - writing a script that counts the number of spaces at the beginning of each line, divides by N, and multiplies the result by M is trivial in any scripting language. I suspect it would be a one-liner in Perl.</p><p>Meanwhile, using tabs to align anything but the beginning of line (i.e. comments) fails utterly, because there you have to rely on a particular width to line things up. But then also there are formatting styles for which you need such alignment even at the beginning of the line. For example, in C, putting the first function parameter on the same line as opening parenthesis, and lining the rest up under it:</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>void<br>foo(int x,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; float y,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; char* z);</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>Go ahead, try that with tabs of size unknown in advance. Oh, and while the above may not be common formatting for C code, somthing similar is a de facto standard for some languages out there (e.g. Haskell, F#)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest benefit to tabs ( especially if you code in a corporate environment ) is that people can view the code based on * their * preferred indentation / spacing e,.g .
I may like my tabs to be 2 spaces , another developer may prefer 3 or 4 spaces.By setting up their IDE / editor to their preferred tab width , the code indents to the way they like it.It 's still possible with spaces - writing a script that counts the number of spaces at the beginning of each line , divides by N , and multiplies the result by M is trivial in any scripting language .
I suspect it would be a one-liner in Perl.Meanwhile , using tabs to align anything but the beginning of line ( i.e .
comments ) fails utterly , because there you have to rely on a particular width to line things up .
But then also there are formatting styles for which you need such alignment even at the beginning of the line .
For example , in C , putting the first function parameter on the same line as opening parenthesis , and lining the rest up under it : voidfoo ( int x ,     float y ,     char * z ) ; Go ahead , try that with tabs of size unknown in advance .
Oh , and while the above may not be common formatting for C code , somthing similar is a de facto standard for some languages out there ( e.g .
Haskell , F # )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest benefit to tabs (especially if you code in a corporate environment) is that people can view the code based on *their* preferred indentation / spacing e,.g.
I may like my tabs to be 2 spaces, another developer may prefer 3 or 4 spaces.By setting up their IDE / editor to their preferred tab width, the code indents to the way they like it.It's still possible with spaces - writing a script that counts the number of spaces at the beginning of each line, divides by N, and multiplies the result by M is trivial in any scripting language.
I suspect it would be a one-liner in Perl.Meanwhile, using tabs to align anything but the beginning of line (i.e.
comments) fails utterly, because there you have to rely on a particular width to line things up.
But then also there are formatting styles for which you need such alignment even at the beginning of the line.
For example, in C, putting the first function parameter on the same line as opening parenthesis, and lining the rest up under it: voidfoo(int x,
    float y,
    char* z); Go ahead, try that with tabs of size unknown in advance.
Oh, and while the above may not be common formatting for C code, somthing similar is a de facto standard for some languages out there (e.g.
Haskell, F#)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30888394</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264424940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BOOM HEADSHOT!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BOOM HEADSHOT ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BOOM HEADSHOT!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886034</id>
	<title>Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>harryjohnston</author>
	<datestamp>1264355040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the first things I've always done when setting up Visual Studio on a new computer is to set the option to insert spaces instead of tab characters.  I find tab characters, to put it bluntly, irritating and utterly unnecessary.  (You can imagine my opinion on standard makefile syntax!)</p><p>So, for all those tab fans, what is it about tabs that you find useful?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the first things I 've always done when setting up Visual Studio on a new computer is to set the option to insert spaces instead of tab characters .
I find tab characters , to put it bluntly , irritating and utterly unnecessary .
( You can imagine my opinion on standard makefile syntax !
) So , for all those tab fans , what is it about tabs that you find useful ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the first things I've always done when setting up Visual Studio on a new computer is to set the option to insert spaces instead of tab characters.
I find tab characters, to put it bluntly, irritating and utterly unnecessary.
(You can imagine my opinion on standard makefile syntax!
)So, for all those tab fans, what is it about tabs that you find useful?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886370</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264357860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Gee, the team solicited comments, did some research and made a change that people wanted.</p></div><p>This isn't what the customers wanted. They wanted IronPython support and the team interpreted it as people asking for silly tab/indent settings.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee , the team solicited comments , did some research and made a change that people wanted.This is n't what the customers wanted .
They wanted IronPython support and the team interpreted it as people asking for silly tab/indent settings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee, the team solicited comments, did some research and made a change that people wanted.This isn't what the customers wanted.
They wanted IronPython support and the team interpreted it as people asking for silly tab/indent settings.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886548</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>John Whitley</author>
	<datestamp>1264359660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.</p></div><p>I'm amazed that you can utter this with a straight face.  "behaves predictably" and "allows easy changing of width" are pretty much diametrically opposed concepts, at least if you actually share your code with any other human being.  If tab-width were somehow a universally self-describing attribute in text files, then this could fly.  But without it, we're left in a place where others viewing your code open the file (or heaven forbid, use cat/more/less!) and then feel fscked.</p><p>I'll also observe that a number of popular editors don't even have clean per-project (or per-file) concepts of tab-width setting and such settings are often clunky in the best of those that do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.I 'm amazed that you can utter this with a straight face .
" behaves predictably " and " allows easy changing of width " are pretty much diametrically opposed concepts , at least if you actually share your code with any other human being .
If tab-width were somehow a universally self-describing attribute in text files , then this could fly .
But without it , we 're left in a place where others viewing your code open the file ( or heaven forbid , use cat/more/less !
) and then feel fscked.I 'll also observe that a number of popular editors do n't even have clean per-project ( or per-file ) concepts of tab-width setting and such settings are often clunky in the best of those that do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.I'm amazed that you can utter this with a straight face.
"behaves predictably" and "allows easy changing of width" are pretty much diametrically opposed concepts, at least if you actually share your code with any other human being.
If tab-width were somehow a universally self-describing attribute in text files, then this could fly.
But without it, we're left in a place where others viewing your code open the file (or heaven forbid, use cat/more/less!
) and then feel fscked.I'll also observe that a number of popular editors don't even have clean per-project (or per-file) concepts of tab-width setting and such settings are often clunky in the best of those that do.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886146</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>yvajj</author>
	<datestamp>1264356120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest benefit to tabs (especially if you code in a corporate environment) is that people can view the code based on *their* preferred indentation / spacing e,.g. I may like my tabs to be 2 spaces, another developer may prefer 3 or 4 spaces.</p><p>By setting up their IDE / editor to their preferred tab width, the code indents to the way they like it.</p><p>By forcing all your tabs to be spaces, anyone else viewing the code will be forced to view / edit it in your indentation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest benefit to tabs ( especially if you code in a corporate environment ) is that people can view the code based on * their * preferred indentation / spacing e,.g .
I may like my tabs to be 2 spaces , another developer may prefer 3 or 4 spaces.By setting up their IDE / editor to their preferred tab width , the code indents to the way they like it.By forcing all your tabs to be spaces , anyone else viewing the code will be forced to view / edit it in your indentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest benefit to tabs (especially if you code in a corporate environment) is that people can view the code based on *their* preferred indentation / spacing e,.g.
I may like my tabs to be 2 spaces, another developer may prefer 3 or 4 spaces.By setting up their IDE / editor to their preferred tab width, the code indents to the way they like it.By forcing all your tabs to be spaces, anyone else viewing the code will be forced to view / edit it in your indentation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886024</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?<br><br>Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X<br>versions</p> </div><p>It's kdawson's shift. He'll never post any article that's even mildly favorable of anything Microsoft related. However, if you can find a story that says some kid in Sweden doesn't like the Windows 7 box-colors, you've got yourself a kdawson front-pager!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt ? Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line , now more popular than all OS Xversions It 's kdawson 's shift .
He 'll never post any article that 's even mildly favorable of anything Microsoft related .
However , if you can find a story that says some kid in Sweden does n't like the Windows 7 box-colors , you 've got yourself a kdawson front-pager !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS Xversions It's kdawson's shift.
He'll never post any article that's even mildly favorable of anything Microsoft related.
However, if you can find a story that says some kid in Sweden doesn't like the Windows 7 box-colors, you've got yourself a kdawson front-pager!
:)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887228</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All indents shall be in steps of 3 spaces.  Setting your indent step to 4 - or God forbid, 5 - spaces shall be punishable by death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All indents shall be in steps of 3 spaces .
Setting your indent step to 4 - or God forbid , 5 - spaces shall be punishable by death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All indents shall be in steps of 3 spaces.
Setting your indent step to 4 - or God forbid, 5 - spaces shall be punishable by death.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887928</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 still sucks but just not as much.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264419240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>bad analogy dude, if i remember correctly, in the UK at least, the BMW 5 series outsells the ford mondeao (which in terms of size and position in the model range is roughly the same)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>bad analogy dude , if i remember correctly , in the UK at least , the BMW 5 series outsells the ford mondeao ( which in terms of size and position in the model range is roughly the same )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bad analogy dude, if i remember correctly, in the UK at least, the BMW 5 series outsells the ford mondeao (which in terms of size and position in the model range is roughly the same)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30885956</id>
	<title>Visual Python</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Visual Python anyone?  Doesn't Python force tabbed spacing for scoping?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Visual Python anyone ?
Does n't Python force tabbed spacing for scoping ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Visual Python anyone?
Doesn't Python force tabbed spacing for scoping?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887534</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>osu-neko</author>
	<datestamp>1264414140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eh?  That sounds almost exactly backwards.  Back in the 80s, I don't know anyone who preferred spaces.  We used tabs because any decent text editor let you set them as you liked, and tab meant indent, a semantic meaning that made sense in the context of a source code file.  Getting into the 90s, however, you started seeing people coding in primitive GUI environments that were horrid at getting formatting to work right, people wanted to start cutting and pasting rather than marking and copying/moving blocks of text like you do in a text editor, and things would turn into horrid messes if you used tabs instead of spaces, so these younger "new people" started insisting people use spaces instead of tabs because they couldn't figure out how to use a proper text editor that didn't resemble a word processor.  It's these young people who never figured out how to properly use a text editor that started insisting on spaces, while us old-timers never had a problem with tabs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ?
That sounds almost exactly backwards .
Back in the 80s , I do n't know anyone who preferred spaces .
We used tabs because any decent text editor let you set them as you liked , and tab meant indent , a semantic meaning that made sense in the context of a source code file .
Getting into the 90s , however , you started seeing people coding in primitive GUI environments that were horrid at getting formatting to work right , people wanted to start cutting and pasting rather than marking and copying/moving blocks of text like you do in a text editor , and things would turn into horrid messes if you used tabs instead of spaces , so these younger " new people " started insisting people use spaces instead of tabs because they could n't figure out how to use a proper text editor that did n't resemble a word processor .
It 's these young people who never figured out how to properly use a text editor that started insisting on spaces , while us old-timers never had a problem with tabs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?
That sounds almost exactly backwards.
Back in the 80s, I don't know anyone who preferred spaces.
We used tabs because any decent text editor let you set them as you liked, and tab meant indent, a semantic meaning that made sense in the context of a source code file.
Getting into the 90s, however, you started seeing people coding in primitive GUI environments that were horrid at getting formatting to work right, people wanted to start cutting and pasting rather than marking and copying/moving blocks of text like you do in a text editor, and things would turn into horrid messes if you used tabs instead of spaces, so these younger "new people" started insisting people use spaces instead of tabs because they couldn't figure out how to use a proper text editor that didn't resemble a word processor.
It's these young people who never figured out how to properly use a text editor that started insisting on spaces, while us old-timers never had a problem with tabs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887144</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1264452960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Should"?  They're wrong because they're "old"?  Or because they "never learned how to change the options"?<br> <br>

Christ, I know asserting that your opinion is correct is <i>fun</i>, but listen to yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Should " ?
They 're wrong because they 're " old " ?
Or because they " never learned how to change the options " ?
Christ , I know asserting that your opinion is correct is fun , but listen to yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Should"?
They're wrong because they're "old"?
Or because they "never learned how to change the options"?
Christ, I know asserting that your opinion is correct is fun, but listen to yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886142</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Buttink</author>
	<datestamp>1264356060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>fewer keystrokes, personalized source code viewing, and faster to fix tabs when VS messes up. (YES it does happen)

The question that this all brings up is "So, for all those space fans, what is it about spaces you find useful?" Randomly asserting your right is FUN!</htmltext>
<tokenext>fewer keystrokes , personalized source code viewing , and faster to fix tabs when VS messes up .
( YES it does happen ) The question that this all brings up is " So , for all those space fans , what is it about spaces you find useful ?
" Randomly asserting your right is FUN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>fewer keystrokes, personalized source code viewing, and faster to fix tabs when VS messes up.
(YES it does happen)

The question that this all brings up is "So, for all those space fans, what is it about spaces you find useful?
" Randomly asserting your right is FUN!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887718</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Jugalator</author>
	<datestamp>1264416960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt? Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X versions [engadget.com]. Okay then...</p></div><p>That was obvious news to come true after a while, given 7's popularity. This is not obvious news.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt ?
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line , now more popular than all OS X versions [ engadget.com ] .
Okay then...That was obvious news to come true after a while , given 7 's popularity .
This is not obvious news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X versions [engadget.com].
Okay then...That was obvious news to come true after a while, given 7's popularity.
This is not obvious news.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30897038</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264418940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there a "-1 Astroturfing" mod?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there a " -1 Astroturfing " mod ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there a "-1 Astroturfing" mod?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886132</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Artraze</author>
	<datestamp>1264356000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find the use of spaces irritating and stupid, to be equally blunt.  I mean, the tab is a character that exists \_specifically\_ for aligning text.  It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.  You never have to worry about half indents choking the editor.  Why replace tabs with spaces?  So you can hit the space bar a thousand times whenever you need to edit something outside a programming editor?   So you can't change indent size without some obscene editor voodoo that may change the spaces and corrupt your diff history?   But I doubt I'll ever understand... Most of the "benefits" I see people listing for using spaces I consider either more true for tabs, or disadvantages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find the use of spaces irritating and stupid , to be equally blunt .
I mean , the tab is a character that exists \ _specifically \ _ for aligning text .
It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers .
You never have to worry about half indents choking the editor .
Why replace tabs with spaces ?
So you can hit the space bar a thousand times whenever you need to edit something outside a programming editor ?
So you ca n't change indent size without some obscene editor voodoo that may change the spaces and corrupt your diff history ?
But I doubt I 'll ever understand... Most of the " benefits " I see people listing for using spaces I consider either more true for tabs , or disadvantages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find the use of spaces irritating and stupid, to be equally blunt.
I mean, the tab is a character that exists \_specifically\_ for aligning text.
It behaves predictably across editors and allows easy changing of width for various programmers.
You never have to worry about half indents choking the editor.
Why replace tabs with spaces?
So you can hit the space bar a thousand times whenever you need to edit something outside a programming editor?
So you can't change indent size without some obscene editor voodoo that may change the spaces and corrupt your diff history?
But I doubt I'll ever understand... Most of the "benefits" I see people listing for using spaces I consider either more true for tabs, or disadvantages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886606</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1264360440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, well I don't want to read Microsoft propaganda as much as I don't want to read Apple propaganda. I still don't like Windows 7/Vista, and probably never well.</p><p>And the fact taht W7, that is bundled with almost every PC sold in the world, has surpassed OS X is not news in the least. It was only a matter of time. If Microsoft released something interesting, like how many people reformat the drive to go back to XP, or how many people who bought Vista down/upgraded to XP, that would be news.</p><p>You do realise that there is a lot of developers here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , well I do n't want to read Microsoft propaganda as much as I do n't want to read Apple propaganda .
I still do n't like Windows 7/Vista , and probably never well.And the fact taht W7 , that is bundled with almost every PC sold in the world , has surpassed OS X is not news in the least .
It was only a matter of time .
If Microsoft released something interesting , like how many people reformat the drive to go back to XP , or how many people who bought Vista down/upgraded to XP , that would be news.You do realise that there is a lot of developers here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, well I don't want to read Microsoft propaganda as much as I don't want to read Apple propaganda.
I still don't like Windows 7/Vista, and probably never well.And the fact taht W7, that is bundled with almost every PC sold in the world, has surpassed OS X is not news in the least.
It was only a matter of time.
If Microsoft released something interesting, like how many people reformat the drive to go back to XP, or how many people who bought Vista down/upgraded to XP, that would be news.You do realise that there is a lot of developers here?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886446</id>
	<title>Windows 7 still sucks but just not as much.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264358460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do they count all of us who bought computers with Windows 7 pre-installed and then deleted it? Sure people rushed to Windows 7 - it's been a while since anyone running a PC could buy it with an OS that wasn't total crap so they could all finally get the updates they wanted. Windows PCs tend to be cheaper than Macs. Saying they outsell Macs is like saying they sell more Ford Focus's than BMW's. A PC does what a Mac does for half the price. It just doesn't look as good, work quite as well, last as long, or offer the same smug bragging rights. And of course you can get a juiced up PC just like same people will take a Ford Focus and soup it up. Why I dunno but I guess some people enjoy the challenge or are just smoking to much crack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they count all of us who bought computers with Windows 7 pre-installed and then deleted it ?
Sure people rushed to Windows 7 - it 's been a while since anyone running a PC could buy it with an OS that was n't total crap so they could all finally get the updates they wanted .
Windows PCs tend to be cheaper than Macs .
Saying they outsell Macs is like saying they sell more Ford Focus 's than BMW 's .
A PC does what a Mac does for half the price .
It just does n't look as good , work quite as well , last as long , or offer the same smug bragging rights .
And of course you can get a juiced up PC just like same people will take a Ford Focus and soup it up .
Why I dunno but I guess some people enjoy the challenge or are just smoking to much crack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they count all of us who bought computers with Windows 7 pre-installed and then deleted it?
Sure people rushed to Windows 7 - it's been a while since anyone running a PC could buy it with an OS that wasn't total crap so they could all finally get the updates they wanted.
Windows PCs tend to be cheaper than Macs.
Saying they outsell Macs is like saying they sell more Ford Focus's than BMW's.
A PC does what a Mac does for half the price.
It just doesn't look as good, work quite as well, last as long, or offer the same smug bragging rights.
And of course you can get a juiced up PC just like same people will take a Ford Focus and soup it up.
Why I dunno but I guess some people enjoy the challenge or are just smoking to much crack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30885978</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>j741</author>
	<datestamp>1264354380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?<br><br>Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X<br>versions </p></div><p>Of course id did; it's a developer tool so it immediately has street cred at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.<br>Everything else that has nothing to do with coding or Linux is immediately a 3rd rate info byte unworthy of these hallowed pages<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt ? Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line , now more popular than all OS Xversions Of course id did ; it 's a developer tool so it immediately has street cred at /.Everything else that has nothing to do with coding or Linux is immediately a 3rd rate info byte unworthy of these hallowed pages ; - &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS Xversions Of course id did; it's a developer tool so it immediately has street cred at /.Everything else that has nothing to do with coding or Linux is immediately a 3rd rate info byte unworthy of these hallowed pages ;-&gt;
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886718</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone, anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264362000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You misspelled ne1.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You misspelled ne1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You misspelled ne1.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886134</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Dan East</author>
	<datestamp>1264356000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tabs can be represented by as many "virtual" space characters in the editor as desired by the programmer, allowing them to work with the amount of indentation they prefer without forcing that representation as spaces in the sources.  Plus it saves a lot of bytes for those that still save their source code on floppies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tabs can be represented by as many " virtual " space characters in the editor as desired by the programmer , allowing them to work with the amount of indentation they prefer without forcing that representation as spaces in the sources .
Plus it saves a lot of bytes for those that still save their source code on floppies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tabs can be represented by as many "virtual" space characters in the editor as desired by the programmer, allowing them to work with the amount of indentation they prefer without forcing that representation as spaces in the sources.
Plus it saves a lot of bytes for those that still save their source code on floppies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886858</id>
	<title>Re:Most editors do this...</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1264449720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The real crux of the issue is not necessarily what the tab key does, but how embedded tabs are treated and displayed when opening a file, be it a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.C file, a header file, resource file or text file  in the  VS editor.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real crux of the issue is not necessarily what the tab key does , but how embedded tabs are treated and displayed when opening a file , be it a .C file , a header file , resource file or text file in the VS editor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The real crux of the issue is not necessarily what the tab key does, but how embedded tabs are treated and displayed when opening a file, be it a .C file, a header file, resource file or text file  in the  VS editor.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887824</id>
	<title>Re:Let's sound like morons, anyone?</title>
	<author>fedxone-v86</author>
	<datestamp>1264418100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30901580</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>JasterBobaMereel</author>
	<datestamp>1264499640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They asked users of Visual Studio<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... they did not ask users of other products that have to deal with the mess left by Visual Studio<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....</p><p>the whole point of a programming language IDE is that it can interoperate with other systems<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... what is their next step, encode the source so nothing else can compile it ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They asked users of Visual Studio .... they did not ask users of other products that have to deal with the mess left by Visual Studio .....the whole point of a programming language IDE is that it can interoperate with other systems ..... what is their next step , encode the source so nothing else can compile it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They asked users of Visual Studio .... they did not ask users of other products that have to deal with the mess left by Visual Studio .....the whole point of a programming language IDE is that it can interoperate with other systems ..... what is their next step, encode the source so nothing else can compile it ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886060</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1264355280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dude, you are so fired for not clearing with the legal before posting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , you are so fired for not clearing with the legal before posting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, you are so fired for not clearing with the legal before posting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30890888</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1264438140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya, how nice of you to quote out of context in an attempt to make your point.</p><p>What they said they WEREN'T changing was the Keep Tabs options, which changes spaces to tab.  Some people like indenting with tabs, others spaces.  Tab size vs indent size was NOT what he was refering to.</p><p>But don't let the facts keep you from ranting.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya , how nice of you to quote out of context in an attempt to make your point.What they said they WERE N'T changing was the Keep Tabs options , which changes spaces to tab .
Some people like indenting with tabs , others spaces .
Tab size vs indent size was NOT what he was refering to.But do n't let the facts keep you from ranting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya, how nice of you to quote out of context in an attempt to make your point.What they said they WEREN'T changing was the Keep Tabs options, which changes spaces to tab.
Some people like indenting with tabs, others spaces.
Tab size vs indent size was NOT what he was refering to.But don't let the facts keep you from ranting.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886366</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>harryjohnston</author>
	<datestamp>1264357800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you understand there's a distinction between the tab <i>key</i> and tab <i>characters</i>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh ... you understand there 's a distinction between the tab key and tab characters ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh ... you understand there's a distinction between the tab key and tab characters?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30899822</id>
	<title>Re:Foredecker is learning...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264436820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, to be honest - the whole WinMO thing is a huge bummer for me.   That's one reason I bought a gaggle of iPhones for my family.   I was tired of waiting for a mobile OS that didn't suck.</p><p>So, I don't have any insider knowledge on the WinMO stuff, but do know a
couple things:</p><ol>
	<li>Some really good people moved to the WinMO org lately. </li><li>We get stuff right eventually. Im optimistic that the new team
	will deliver something credible.</li></ol><p>The problem is this I think: WinMO 7.0 could be awesome and sill not be
successful in the mobile space in any material way becuase the market has gotten
locked in to two other very good solutions (iPhone, Android). Just
like we have a lock on the desktop and office space with Windows and Office. </p><p>Its hard to comment on the iSlate/Pad/thing. There is TON of
speculation about it and any tangible facts. Ill wait until Jobs
launches it to form an opinion.</p><p>Note, you wont find harsh criticism of Apple from me - they are a great
company. See this blog post and its comments.
<a href="http://foredecker.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/apple-is-not-big-enough-to-do-search-they-need-microsoft/#comment-47" title="wordpress.com">
Apple is not big enough to do search They needMicrosoft/a&gt;.</a> [wordpress.com] </p><p>RRegarding Ballmer - I think you are being hard on him. One problem I
have with many Microsoft critics is they expect Microsoft to be perfect.
Kind of like your comment &quot;Hey! Look Ballmer isnt perfect HAHAHAHA.&quot;
You see this kind of thing all the time here on Slashdot. </p><p>I love the repeated reference to Ballmer throwing a chair. Its
like the lamest thing ever to keep brining up. Really... its lame.
I think it probably happened. Maybe he didnt throw it, but
something with a char likely happened. Many CEOs are famously
pasionate. Jobs is quite the tyrant. How about Larry
Ellison? He has an ego the size of the Death Star. Ill tell
you this - Ballmer is a much better leader than Gates. Gates is a
brilliant strategist, but Ballmer has corporate leadership skills in spades.
Hes also good at growing skilled execs. </p><p>As an aside, the exec to watch at Microsoft isnt Stephen Sinofsky (who is
pretty good), is <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/lu/" title="microsoft.com">Qi Lu/a&gt;.
Ive heard him speak at internal meeting severl times now. He is the
single most impressive executive Ive ever seen. I think he is the
next Bill.</a> [microsoft.com] </p><p>YYes, we have failed products, we also have products that are profitable, but
dont reach the level of expectations we set for it. I think the tablet is
a great example. Our tablet stuff has some great features. For
example, the handwriting recognition is stellar - it really is. But
we didnt change the rest of the experience to match - it is still the normal
desktop experience. I suspect apple will nail this.</p><p>What people forget is despite the lack of market dominating success as Bill
predicted, the Windows tablet PC has been a success. If any other
company had done it they would be declared fabulous. The proof is in
the pudding - our partners still make them and sell them. Believe
me, they wouldnt do this if they didnt make money. The OEMs cut
stuff faster than you can blink when it isnt successful. </p><p>Yes, we have failed products and Ballmer makes bad decisions form time to
time. But, I&rsquo;m not sure what point that makes. So do all big companies,
including Apple, Google, HP, IBM and many others. Apple tried for years with
hand held computing things. Remember the Newton? They have had other bombs too
like the Cube, the Motorola Rokr, the Pippin (game console), EWorld, Apple
PowerCD, Apple Powered Speakers, How about Apple TV? Is that a failure or is the
Jury still out on that? Have you used it? Its pretty lame. XBOX live is <em>way/em&gt;
better &ndash; and has <em>way</em> more content. They also failed utterly in the
productivity software market &ndash; remember Claris Works?</em> </p><p>I do ask you to consider that Microsoft has the financial, corporate,
cultural fortitude to stick with things that need to be strategically
successful. We m</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , to be honest - the whole WinMO thing is a huge bummer for me .
That 's one reason I bought a gaggle of iPhones for my family .
I was tired of waiting for a mobile OS that did n't suck.So , I do n't have any insider knowledge on the WinMO stuff , but do know a couple things : Some really good people moved to the WinMO org lately .
We get stuff right eventually .
Im optimistic that the new team will deliver something credible.The problem is this I think : WinMO 7.0 could be awesome and sill not be successful in the mobile space in any material way becuase the market has gotten locked in to two other very good solutions ( iPhone , Android ) .
Just like we have a lock on the desktop and office space with Windows and Office .
Its hard to comment on the iSlate/Pad/thing .
There is TON of speculation about it and any tangible facts .
Ill wait until Jobs launches it to form an opinion.Note , you wont find harsh criticism of Apple from me - they are a great company .
See this blog post and its comments .
Apple is not big enough to do search They needMicrosoft/a &gt; .
[ wordpress.com ] RRegarding Ballmer - I think you are being hard on him .
One problem I have with many Microsoft critics is they expect Microsoft to be perfect .
Kind of like your comment " Hey !
Look Ballmer isnt perfect HAHAHAHA .
" You see this kind of thing all the time here on Slashdot .
I love the repeated reference to Ballmer throwing a chair .
Its like the lamest thing ever to keep brining up .
Really... its lame .
I think it probably happened .
Maybe he didnt throw it , but something with a char likely happened .
Many CEOs are famously pasionate .
Jobs is quite the tyrant .
How about Larry Ellison ?
He has an ego the size of the Death Star .
Ill tell you this - Ballmer is a much better leader than Gates .
Gates is a brilliant strategist , but Ballmer has corporate leadership skills in spades .
Hes also good at growing skilled execs .
As an aside , the exec to watch at Microsoft isnt Stephen Sinofsky ( who is pretty good ) , is Qi Lu/a &gt; .
Ive heard him speak at internal meeting severl times now .
He is the single most impressive executive Ive ever seen .
I think he is the next Bill .
[ microsoft.com ] YYes , we have failed products , we also have products that are profitable , but dont reach the level of expectations we set for it .
I think the tablet is a great example .
Our tablet stuff has some great features .
For example , the handwriting recognition is stellar - it really is .
But we didnt change the rest of the experience to match - it is still the normal desktop experience .
I suspect apple will nail this.What people forget is despite the lack of market dominating success as Bill predicted , the Windows tablet PC has been a success .
If any other company had done it they would be declared fabulous .
The proof is in the pudding - our partners still make them and sell them .
Believe me , they wouldnt do this if they didnt make money .
The OEMs cut stuff faster than you can blink when it isnt successful .
Yes , we have failed products and Ballmer makes bad decisions form time to time .
But , I    m not sure what point that makes .
So do all big companies , including Apple , Google , HP , IBM and many others .
Apple tried for years with hand held computing things .
Remember the Newton ?
They have had other bombs too like the Cube , the Motorola Rokr , the Pippin ( game console ) , EWorld , Apple PowerCD , Apple Powered Speakers , How about Apple TV ?
Is that a failure or is the Jury still out on that ?
Have you used it ?
Its pretty lame .
XBOX live is way/em &gt; better    and has way more content .
They also failed utterly in the productivity software market    remember Claris Works ?
I do ask you to consider that Microsoft has the financial , corporate , cultural fortitude to stick with things that need to be strategically successful .
We m</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, to be honest - the whole WinMO thing is a huge bummer for me.
That's one reason I bought a gaggle of iPhones for my family.
I was tired of waiting for a mobile OS that didn't suck.So, I don't have any insider knowledge on the WinMO stuff, but do know a
couple things:
	Some really good people moved to the WinMO org lately.
We get stuff right eventually.
Im optimistic that the new team
	will deliver something credible.The problem is this I think: WinMO 7.0 could be awesome and sill not be
successful in the mobile space in any material way becuase the market has gotten
locked in to two other very good solutions (iPhone, Android).
Just
like we have a lock on the desktop and office space with Windows and Office.
Its hard to comment on the iSlate/Pad/thing.
There is TON of
speculation about it and any tangible facts.
Ill wait until Jobs
launches it to form an opinion.Note, you wont find harsh criticism of Apple from me - they are a great
company.
See this blog post and its comments.
Apple is not big enough to do search They needMicrosoft/a&gt;.
[wordpress.com] RRegarding Ballmer - I think you are being hard on him.
One problem I
have with many Microsoft critics is they expect Microsoft to be perfect.
Kind of like your comment "Hey!
Look Ballmer isnt perfect HAHAHAHA.
"
You see this kind of thing all the time here on Slashdot.
I love the repeated reference to Ballmer throwing a chair.
Its
like the lamest thing ever to keep brining up.
Really... its lame.
I think it probably happened.
Maybe he didnt throw it, but
something with a char likely happened.
Many CEOs are famously
pasionate.
Jobs is quite the tyrant.
How about Larry
Ellison?
He has an ego the size of the Death Star.
Ill tell
you this - Ballmer is a much better leader than Gates.
Gates is a
brilliant strategist, but Ballmer has corporate leadership skills in spades.
Hes also good at growing skilled execs.
As an aside, the exec to watch at Microsoft isnt Stephen Sinofsky (who is
pretty good), is Qi Lu/a&gt;.
Ive heard him speak at internal meeting severl times now.
He is the
single most impressive executive Ive ever seen.
I think he is the
next Bill.
[microsoft.com] YYes, we have failed products, we also have products that are profitable, but
dont reach the level of expectations we set for it.
I think the tablet is
a great example.
Our tablet stuff has some great features.
For
example, the handwriting recognition is stellar - it really is.
But
we didnt change the rest of the experience to match - it is still the normal
desktop experience.
I suspect apple will nail this.What people forget is despite the lack of market dominating success as Bill
predicted, the Windows tablet PC has been a success.
If any other
company had done it they would be declared fabulous.
The proof is in
the pudding - our partners still make them and sell them.
Believe
me, they wouldnt do this if they didnt make money.
The OEMs cut
stuff faster than you can blink when it isnt successful.
Yes, we have failed products and Ballmer makes bad decisions form time to
time.
But, I’m not sure what point that makes.
So do all big companies,
including Apple, Google, HP, IBM and many others.
Apple tried for years with
hand held computing things.
Remember the Newton?
They have had other bombs too
like the Cube, the Motorola Rokr, the Pippin (game console), EWorld, Apple
PowerCD, Apple Powered Speakers, How about Apple TV?
Is that a failure or is the
Jury still out on that?
Have you used it?
Its pretty lame.
XBOX live is way/em&gt;
better – and has way more content.
They also failed utterly in the
productivity software market – remember Claris Works?
I do ask you to consider that Microsoft has the financial, corporate,
cultural fortitude to stick with things that need to be strategically
successful.
We m</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886244</id>
	<title>Anyone, anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264356720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ending sentence fragments with anyone, anyone? Does anyone like this convention, anyone? Can we just see it die horribly in flames, anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ending sentence fragments with anyone , anyone ?
Does anyone like this convention , anyone ?
Can we just see it die horribly in flames , anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ending sentence fragments with anyone, anyone?
Does anyone like this convention, anyone?
Can we just see it die horribly in flames, anyone?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30890284</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>siride</author>
	<datestamp>1264436100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure that's it.  It's not that Windows runs all the software that people actually use, or that it runs correctly on the computer they buy, or that devices they buy will work with it instead of requiring installation of special programs from God knows where that may or may not work depending on your kernel version, etc.  There's plenty of shit on the Windows platform, but at least people who aren't programmers can get work done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that 's it .
It 's not that Windows runs all the software that people actually use , or that it runs correctly on the computer they buy , or that devices they buy will work with it instead of requiring installation of special programs from God knows where that may or may not work depending on your kernel version , etc .
There 's plenty of shit on the Windows platform , but at least people who are n't programmers can get work done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that's it.
It's not that Windows runs all the software that people actually use, or that it runs correctly on the computer they buy, or that devices they buy will work with it instead of requiring installation of special programs from God knows where that may or may not work depending on your kernel version, etc.
There's plenty of shit on the Windows platform, but at least people who aren't programmers can get work done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886520</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264359240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think its an old person new person thing. People who are used to programming with 80 chars being their monitor's limit are also used to the default tab size being like 5 spaces or so and they probably never figured out how to change that size and save it. New people who grew up with a monitor that manages more than 800 pixels horizontally and with an operating system that you can alt-tab with *should* prefer tabs, but it appears some people still hang on to old ideas, probably because some 40 year old or 50 year old told them spaces was better, or more likely their preferred editing software by default inserts 3 or 4 spaces when they hit tab and they dont want to admit they never learned how to change that in the options.<br> <br>

The rule in programming classes should ALWAYS be:<br> <br>

Tab up to the first non-white space character then use spaces for things that follow.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think its an old person new person thing .
People who are used to programming with 80 chars being their monitor 's limit are also used to the default tab size being like 5 spaces or so and they probably never figured out how to change that size and save it .
New people who grew up with a monitor that manages more than 800 pixels horizontally and with an operating system that you can alt-tab with * should * prefer tabs , but it appears some people still hang on to old ideas , probably because some 40 year old or 50 year old told them spaces was better , or more likely their preferred editing software by default inserts 3 or 4 spaces when they hit tab and they dont want to admit they never learned how to change that in the options .
The rule in programming classes should ALWAYS be : Tab up to the first non-white space character then use spaces for things that follow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think its an old person new person thing.
People who are used to programming with 80 chars being their monitor's limit are also used to the default tab size being like 5 spaces or so and they probably never figured out how to change that size and save it.
New people who grew up with a monitor that manages more than 800 pixels horizontally and with an operating system that you can alt-tab with *should* prefer tabs, but it appears some people still hang on to old ideas, probably because some 40 year old or 50 year old told them spaces was better, or more likely their preferred editing software by default inserts 3 or 4 spaces when they hit tab and they dont want to admit they never learned how to change that in the options.
The rule in programming classes should ALWAYS be: 

Tab up to the first non-white space character then use spaces for things that follow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887224</id>
	<title>Re:Tabs vs. Spaces</title>
	<author>rastos1</author>
	<datestamp>1264410540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=tabs&amp;word2=spaces</p><p>Spaces win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //googlefight.com/index.php ? lang = en \ _GB&amp;word1 = tabs&amp;word2 = spacesSpaces win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=tabs&amp;word2=spacesSpaces win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30890320</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264436160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cite is C I T E</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cite is C I T E</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cite is C I T E</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30889490</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Iyonesco</author>
	<datestamp>1264432980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well it doesn't matter that nobody commented because they don't actually listen to feedback anyway.  Take the example of when they changed the file tab order in VS2005 so that new tabs were added on the right.  This change caused all your open file tabs to be pushed along making it impossible to keep track of the location of your file tabs and resulting in users wasting considerable amounts of time looking for files.  The person responsible for this was Sara Ford and as you can see from the comments on her blog the response was overwhelmingly negative:</p><p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/saraford/archive/2004/05/14/132065.aspx" title="msdn.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/saraford/archive/2004/05/14/132065.aspx</a> [msdn.com]</p><p>Despite all these negative comments both her and Microsoft failed to take any action and no changes were made in the VS2005 service pack or in VS2008.  Microsoft simply do not care what users think and and while the may put up the pretence of taking user feedback they always just do whatever they think is best.  Sara Ford is a classic example of this and despite all the negative comments on her blog she was totally unable to accept that the change was for the worse.    What's most absurd about this situation is that Sara Ford has written a book called "Microsoft Visual Studio Tips: 251 Ways to Improve Your Productivity".  Given the she herself is responsible for considerably reducing the productivity of Visual Studio users through her absurd interface design I suspect the only use for this book would be as toilet paper.</p><p>Sara Ford is the personification of everything that is wrong with Microsoft today.  When Windows 2000 came out I thought it was extremely good, offering the stability of NT and the software compatibility of 98 while running very fast on the hardware of the day.  Since that time Sara Ford Syndrome has set in at Microsoft and the company has been over run with "soft skills" people who have these brilliant ideas to improve usability and in the process have rendered Microsoft's software completely unusable.  The user interface changes Windows Vista/7 and Office 2007 have made using the software provably slower, are provably less consistent and are extremely wasteful of desktop space.  I'd rather face torture than use Windows 7 or Office 2007 and many others feel the same way but despite the wave of negativity above these new user interface concepts Microsoft continue to push on regardless of their customers' opinions.</p><p>This time however it looks like it's going to cost them since they've split their operating system market into two camps with the vast majority in the XP camp.  They're suffering revenue declines since people don't want their newer software, they're losing market share to Apple and they were forced to practically give Windows 7 away with their pre-order discount program to try and generate some positive hype.  While 14 year olds may be rushing to Windows 7 with it's cool transparent Windows frames the corporate market is staying well away and have clearly indicated they have no interest in the new software Microsoft is trying to force on the market through their monopoly.  By refusing to sell the software customers want and trying to force them to use software they don't it looks like Microsoft's latest monopoly abuse may be what finally brings their monopoly to an end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it does n't matter that nobody commented because they do n't actually listen to feedback anyway .
Take the example of when they changed the file tab order in VS2005 so that new tabs were added on the right .
This change caused all your open file tabs to be pushed along making it impossible to keep track of the location of your file tabs and resulting in users wasting considerable amounts of time looking for files .
The person responsible for this was Sara Ford and as you can see from the comments on her blog the response was overwhelmingly negative : http : //blogs.msdn.com/saraford/archive/2004/05/14/132065.aspx [ msdn.com ] Despite all these negative comments both her and Microsoft failed to take any action and no changes were made in the VS2005 service pack or in VS2008 .
Microsoft simply do not care what users think and and while the may put up the pretence of taking user feedback they always just do whatever they think is best .
Sara Ford is a classic example of this and despite all the negative comments on her blog she was totally unable to accept that the change was for the worse .
What 's most absurd about this situation is that Sara Ford has written a book called " Microsoft Visual Studio Tips : 251 Ways to Improve Your Productivity " .
Given the she herself is responsible for considerably reducing the productivity of Visual Studio users through her absurd interface design I suspect the only use for this book would be as toilet paper.Sara Ford is the personification of everything that is wrong with Microsoft today .
When Windows 2000 came out I thought it was extremely good , offering the stability of NT and the software compatibility of 98 while running very fast on the hardware of the day .
Since that time Sara Ford Syndrome has set in at Microsoft and the company has been over run with " soft skills " people who have these brilliant ideas to improve usability and in the process have rendered Microsoft 's software completely unusable .
The user interface changes Windows Vista/7 and Office 2007 have made using the software provably slower , are provably less consistent and are extremely wasteful of desktop space .
I 'd rather face torture than use Windows 7 or Office 2007 and many others feel the same way but despite the wave of negativity above these new user interface concepts Microsoft continue to push on regardless of their customers ' opinions.This time however it looks like it 's going to cost them since they 've split their operating system market into two camps with the vast majority in the XP camp .
They 're suffering revenue declines since people do n't want their newer software , they 're losing market share to Apple and they were forced to practically give Windows 7 away with their pre-order discount program to try and generate some positive hype .
While 14 year olds may be rushing to Windows 7 with it 's cool transparent Windows frames the corporate market is staying well away and have clearly indicated they have no interest in the new software Microsoft is trying to force on the market through their monopoly .
By refusing to sell the software customers want and trying to force them to use software they do n't it looks like Microsoft 's latest monopoly abuse may be what finally brings their monopoly to an end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it doesn't matter that nobody commented because they don't actually listen to feedback anyway.
Take the example of when they changed the file tab order in VS2005 so that new tabs were added on the right.
This change caused all your open file tabs to be pushed along making it impossible to keep track of the location of your file tabs and resulting in users wasting considerable amounts of time looking for files.
The person responsible for this was Sara Ford and as you can see from the comments on her blog the response was overwhelmingly negative:http://blogs.msdn.com/saraford/archive/2004/05/14/132065.aspx [msdn.com]Despite all these negative comments both her and Microsoft failed to take any action and no changes were made in the VS2005 service pack or in VS2008.
Microsoft simply do not care what users think and and while the may put up the pretence of taking user feedback they always just do whatever they think is best.
Sara Ford is a classic example of this and despite all the negative comments on her blog she was totally unable to accept that the change was for the worse.
What's most absurd about this situation is that Sara Ford has written a book called "Microsoft Visual Studio Tips: 251 Ways to Improve Your Productivity".
Given the she herself is responsible for considerably reducing the productivity of Visual Studio users through her absurd interface design I suspect the only use for this book would be as toilet paper.Sara Ford is the personification of everything that is wrong with Microsoft today.
When Windows 2000 came out I thought it was extremely good, offering the stability of NT and the software compatibility of 98 while running very fast on the hardware of the day.
Since that time Sara Ford Syndrome has set in at Microsoft and the company has been over run with "soft skills" people who have these brilliant ideas to improve usability and in the process have rendered Microsoft's software completely unusable.
The user interface changes Windows Vista/7 and Office 2007 have made using the software provably slower, are provably less consistent and are extremely wasteful of desktop space.
I'd rather face torture than use Windows 7 or Office 2007 and many others feel the same way but despite the wave of negativity above these new user interface concepts Microsoft continue to push on regardless of their customers' opinions.This time however it looks like it's going to cost them since they've split their operating system market into two camps with the vast majority in the XP camp.
They're suffering revenue declines since people don't want their newer software, they're losing market share to Apple and they were forced to practically give Windows 7 away with their pre-order discount program to try and generate some positive hype.
While 14 year olds may be rushing to Windows 7 with it's cool transparent Windows frames the corporate market is staying well away and have clearly indicated they have no interest in the new software Microsoft is trying to force on the market through their monopoly.
By refusing to sell the software customers want and trying to force them to use software they don't it looks like Microsoft's latest monopoly abuse may be what finally brings their monopoly to an end.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886186</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Wumpus</author>
	<datestamp>1264356360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No.</p><p>They solicited input from each other and in a blog post that generated a handful of responses. They did this to eliminate "a class of bugs" in the new editor that was triggered by setting the two numbers to different values. Which means they had a bunch of bugs (probably due to confusion between the two settings in the code) and someone had the brilliant idea that the bugs will go away if they just crippled the editor in such a way that the bugs will never be triggered. They solicited input, very quietly, and did it. This also means that the workaround they offer (writing a fucking extension, for fucking crying out loud - what is this, emacs?) will trigger all those bugs because they didn't fix them.</p><p>Idiots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.They solicited input from each other and in a blog post that generated a handful of responses .
They did this to eliminate " a class of bugs " in the new editor that was triggered by setting the two numbers to different values .
Which means they had a bunch of bugs ( probably due to confusion between the two settings in the code ) and someone had the brilliant idea that the bugs will go away if they just crippled the editor in such a way that the bugs will never be triggered .
They solicited input , very quietly , and did it .
This also means that the workaround they offer ( writing a fucking extension , for fucking crying out loud - what is this , emacs ?
) will trigger all those bugs because they did n't fix them.Idiots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.They solicited input from each other and in a blog post that generated a handful of responses.
They did this to eliminate "a class of bugs" in the new editor that was triggered by setting the two numbers to different values.
Which means they had a bunch of bugs (probably due to confusion between the two settings in the code) and someone had the brilliant idea that the bugs will go away if they just crippled the editor in such a way that the bugs will never be triggered.
They solicited input, very quietly, and did it.
This also means that the workaround they offer (writing a fucking extension, for fucking crying out loud - what is this, emacs?
) will trigger all those bugs because they didn't fix them.Idiots.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30888980</id>
	<title>Thoughts on Windows 7</title>
	<author>killmenow</author>
	<datestamp>1264430400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Subject: ASSERTION</p><p>Body: NOTHING RELATED TO ASSERTION</p><p>You assert Windows 7 sucks but have nothing in your post's body to suggest why you assert this. I would like to know what's so bad about Windows 7 (other than it being a closed-source proprietary operating system).</p><p>Because...I hate Microsoft's business practices. I hate the unethical behavior of the company's directors and executives. I hate many of their products because many of their products are de facto industry standards despite being demonstrably garbage. But I'm running Windows 7 Pro x64 now and you know what? I hate that I like it so much. Unlike the vomit-inducing Vista, Win7 does everything I want and feels as good with resources as XP, runs all the Windows specific apps I need without anally raping me with a bottle of WINE, drives multiple monitors without a hitch, has a sensible audio subsystem, a clipboard system that isn't all over the place, and runs VirtualBox with any and every Linux guest OS I need without as much as a hiccup.</p><p>Sure, YMMV but IMHO 64-bit Windows 7 is absolutely the best operating system ever to come out of Redmond, WA. Is it perfect? Of course not. There's no such thing as a perfect OS. But I think it's pretty damn good. And this disturbs me.</p><p>So please help me hate Windows 7. I feel dirty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Subject : ASSERTIONBody : NOTHING RELATED TO ASSERTIONYou assert Windows 7 sucks but have nothing in your post 's body to suggest why you assert this .
I would like to know what 's so bad about Windows 7 ( other than it being a closed-source proprietary operating system ) .Because...I hate Microsoft 's business practices .
I hate the unethical behavior of the company 's directors and executives .
I hate many of their products because many of their products are de facto industry standards despite being demonstrably garbage .
But I 'm running Windows 7 Pro x64 now and you know what ?
I hate that I like it so much .
Unlike the vomit-inducing Vista , Win7 does everything I want and feels as good with resources as XP , runs all the Windows specific apps I need without anally raping me with a bottle of WINE , drives multiple monitors without a hitch , has a sensible audio subsystem , a clipboard system that is n't all over the place , and runs VirtualBox with any and every Linux guest OS I need without as much as a hiccup.Sure , YMMV but IMHO 64-bit Windows 7 is absolutely the best operating system ever to come out of Redmond , WA .
Is it perfect ?
Of course not .
There 's no such thing as a perfect OS .
But I think it 's pretty damn good .
And this disturbs me.So please help me hate Windows 7 .
I feel dirty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Subject: ASSERTIONBody: NOTHING RELATED TO ASSERTIONYou assert Windows 7 sucks but have nothing in your post's body to suggest why you assert this.
I would like to know what's so bad about Windows 7 (other than it being a closed-source proprietary operating system).Because...I hate Microsoft's business practices.
I hate the unethical behavior of the company's directors and executives.
I hate many of their products because many of their products are de facto industry standards despite being demonstrably garbage.
But I'm running Windows 7 Pro x64 now and you know what?
I hate that I like it so much.
Unlike the vomit-inducing Vista, Win7 does everything I want and feels as good with resources as XP, runs all the Windows specific apps I need without anally raping me with a bottle of WINE, drives multiple monitors without a hitch, has a sensible audio subsystem, a clipboard system that isn't all over the place, and runs VirtualBox with any and every Linux guest OS I need without as much as a hiccup.Sure, YMMV but IMHO 64-bit Windows 7 is absolutely the best operating system ever to come out of Redmond, WA.
Is it perfect?
Of course not.
There's no such thing as a perfect OS.
But I think it's pretty damn good.
And this disturbs me.So please help me hate Windows 7.
I feel dirty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30889368</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1264432620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your diff tool should have an option to ignore whitespace when computing diffs or else you will go insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your diff tool should have an option to ignore whitespace when computing diffs or else you will go insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your diff tool should have an option to ignore whitespace when computing diffs or else you will go insane.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30885988</id>
	<title>Tabs vs. Spaces</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264354560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FIGHT!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FIGHT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FIGHT!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886362</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>harryjohnston</author>
	<datestamp>1264357740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I've got to quote Dilbert here: "That must come in handy when someone calls from 1993."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 've got to quote Dilbert here : " That must come in handy when someone calls from 1993 .
" : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I've got to quote Dilbert here: "That must come in handy when someone calls from 1993.
" :-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30892648</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1264443840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My assumption is that anyone using Visual Studio is a developer</p></div><p>Good one. You owe me a new monitor.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My assumption is that anyone using Visual Studio is a developerGood one .
You owe me a new monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My assumption is that anyone using Visual Studio is a developerGood one.
You owe me a new monitor.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886388</id>
	<title>Foredecker is learning...</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1264357980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice.  I'm sure you'ld prefer to have something closer to the Windows core than this, but nice first post.  If you're going to advocate it pays to have front billing.
</p><p>Now if you're going to drive off course from source code formatting to operating system adoption I can be forgiven for also going wide afield.
</p><p>How's that Window Mobile thing working out for you?  Have they canned Roz Ho yet for the Danger debacle?  Will she have to extrapeneur to a startup and bring back its corpse to prove her loyalty, or will she choose to spend more time with her family?  Is September a solid date for WinMo7, and even then how do you expect phone vendors to personalize their experience and ship product for Christmas?
</p><p>Frankly I think two team reboots in the last year means you've got nuthin' for Christmas '10, and Christmas '11 is looking like less than even money.  That's a long time for iSlates and Android tablets to be walking all over you.  Of course I've got it being any good at 30:1 against.
</p><p>And what about Ballmer?  Is an off 40\% decade while Apple grew 7x and Google grew 4x not enough evidence that he's not getting it done?  You would figure with all of the leverage and cash he's got he could do better if he was any good.  Hell, I think I could do better than that even if I gave half the gross profits away to get some global love.  With the money Ballmer has wasted on obvious dead ends over the last decade we could buy each Haitian refugee his own quake-proof palace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice .
I 'm sure you'ld prefer to have something closer to the Windows core than this , but nice first post .
If you 're going to advocate it pays to have front billing .
Now if you 're going to drive off course from source code formatting to operating system adoption I can be forgiven for also going wide afield .
How 's that Window Mobile thing working out for you ?
Have they canned Roz Ho yet for the Danger debacle ?
Will she have to extrapeneur to a startup and bring back its corpse to prove her loyalty , or will she choose to spend more time with her family ?
Is September a solid date for WinMo7 , and even then how do you expect phone vendors to personalize their experience and ship product for Christmas ?
Frankly I think two team reboots in the last year means you 've got nuthin ' for Christmas '10 , and Christmas '11 is looking like less than even money .
That 's a long time for iSlates and Android tablets to be walking all over you .
Of course I 've got it being any good at 30 : 1 against .
And what about Ballmer ?
Is an off 40 \ % decade while Apple grew 7x and Google grew 4x not enough evidence that he 's not getting it done ?
You would figure with all of the leverage and cash he 's got he could do better if he was any good .
Hell , I think I could do better than that even if I gave half the gross profits away to get some global love .
With the money Ballmer has wasted on obvious dead ends over the last decade we could buy each Haitian refugee his own quake-proof palace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice.
I'm sure you'ld prefer to have something closer to the Windows core than this, but nice first post.
If you're going to advocate it pays to have front billing.
Now if you're going to drive off course from source code formatting to operating system adoption I can be forgiven for also going wide afield.
How's that Window Mobile thing working out for you?
Have they canned Roz Ho yet for the Danger debacle?
Will she have to extrapeneur to a startup and bring back its corpse to prove her loyalty, or will she choose to spend more time with her family?
Is September a solid date for WinMo7, and even then how do you expect phone vendors to personalize their experience and ship product for Christmas?
Frankly I think two team reboots in the last year means you've got nuthin' for Christmas '10, and Christmas '11 is looking like less than even money.
That's a long time for iSlates and Android tablets to be walking all over you.
Of course I've got it being any good at 30:1 against.
And what about Ballmer?
Is an off 40\% decade while Apple grew 7x and Google grew 4x not enough evidence that he's not getting it done?
You would figure with all of the leverage and cash he's got he could do better if he was any good.
Hell, I think I could do better than that even if I gave half the gross profits away to get some global love.
With the money Ballmer has wasted on obvious dead ends over the last decade we could buy each Haitian refugee his own quake-proof palace.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30899844</id>
	<title>Re:Foredecker is learning...</title>
	<author>Foredecker</author>
	<datestamp>1264436880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you figure?  See my repsonse and feel free to mak a cogent reply.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you figure ?
See my repsonse and feel free to mak a cogent reply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you figure?
See my repsonse and feel free to mak a cogent reply.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886152</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264356180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt? Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X versions.</p></div> </blockquote><p> How on earth is that news? Windows has well over 90\% of the desktop market, of course their new OS is more popular than all versions of OS X (and Linux, *BSD, AmigaOS, etc). Everyone knows the popularity of windows has more to do with MS' aggressive and unethical "marketing" than with quality...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt ?
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line , now more popular than all OS X versions .
How on earth is that news ?
Windows has well over 90 \ % of the desktop market , of course their new OS is more popular than all versions of OS X ( and Linux , * BSD , AmigaOS , etc ) .
Everyone knows the popularity of windows has more to do with MS ' aggressive and unethical " marketing " than with quality.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X versions.
How on earth is that news?
Windows has well over 90\% of the desktop market, of course their new OS is more popular than all versions of OS X (and Linux, *BSD, AmigaOS, etc).
Everyone knows the popularity of windows has more to do with MS' aggressive and unethical "marketing" than with quality...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886420</id>
	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>harryjohnston</author>
	<datestamp>1264358280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a valid point, although I'm not sure how you avoid a mixture of tabs and spaces, which would make the code look completely wrong (instead of just a bit wrong!) for everybody else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a valid point , although I 'm not sure how you avoid a mixture of tabs and spaces , which would make the code look completely wrong ( instead of just a bit wrong !
) for everybody else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a valid point, although I'm not sure how you avoid a mixture of tabs and spaces, which would make the code look completely wrong (instead of just a bit wrong!
) for everybody else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887446</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone, anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264412940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno... Bueller?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno... Bueller ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno... Bueller?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30888072</id>
	<title>Dream on, kid</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264421100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Do they count all of us who bought computers with Windows 7 pre-installed and then deleted it?</i> </p><p>Does the geek count the beta testers who drove Win 7 past Linux no later than August of last year?</p><p>Does he count all the close-out deals on the Vista PC that qualified for the free upgrade to Win 7?</p><p>Net Applications publishes web-based stats.</p><p>Real users accessing real sites.</p><p>Heavily trafficked sites like Amazon, ESPN, Google - and Mozilla.</p><p>You don't boot into another OS to access the headline news from Fox.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they count all of us who bought computers with Windows 7 pre-installed and then deleted it ?
Does the geek count the beta testers who drove Win 7 past Linux no later than August of last year ? Does he count all the close-out deals on the Vista PC that qualified for the free upgrade to Win 7 ? Net Applications publishes web-based stats.Real users accessing real sites.Heavily trafficked sites like Amazon , ESPN , Google - and Mozilla.You do n't boot into another OS to access the headline news from Fox .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they count all of us who bought computers with Windows 7 pre-installed and then deleted it?
Does the geek count the beta testers who drove Win 7 past Linux no later than August of last year?Does he count all the close-out deals on the Vista PC that qualified for the free upgrade to Win 7?Net Applications publishes web-based stats.Real users accessing real sites.Heavily trafficked sites like Amazon, ESPN, Google - and Mozilla.You don't boot into another OS to access the headline news from Fox.
     </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30885938</id>
	<title>This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264353960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?
<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/21/windows-7-way-hotter-than-vista-off-the-line-now-more-popular-t/" title="engadget.com" rel="nofollow">
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X
versions</a> [engadget.com]. Okay then... </p><p>How is this tab things news or interesting at all? Here is what
Brittany Behrens a PM for the editor team said:</p><blockquote><div><p>Hi Brien,</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Thank you for logging this issue. Before making this change w<strong>e
solicited feedback on the decision to combine Tab Size and Indent Size from
a wide variety of sources</strong>, including public blog posts and forum
threads, and found that th<strong>e vast majority of user
feedback was in favor of combining the two</strong>. If its seriously
impacting your code to have Tab Size always equal Indent Size,
it <strong>is possible to write a short editor extension to
override the Tools-&gt;Options dialog and set the two options separately</strong>.
If thats something youd be interested in, please let me know and Ill see
about posting sample code for how to do this.</p></div>
</blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Im resolving this issue as By Design because we intentionally combined
these options for VS 2010, but please feel free to post again here if you
have any further questions or comments and well be happy to help.</p></div>
</blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Thanks for trying Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 and sending your feedback!</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Brittany Behrens</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Program Manager, VS Platform - Editor</p></div></blockquote><p>(bolding above mine for emphasis)</p><p>Gee, the team solicited comments, did some research and made a change that
people wanted. Of course, any change will make somebody unhappy.
</p><p>Brittany even volunteered to give folks a simple editor extension to make the
settings different for those that want it. My assumption is that anyone using
Visual Studio is a developer and capeable of using such an extension, or writing
it themselves. It is not difficult. </p><p>-<em>Foredecker</em> </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt ?
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line , now more popular than all OS X versions [ engadget.com ] .
Okay then... How is this tab things news or interesting at all ?
Here is what Brittany Behrens a PM for the editor team said : Hi Brien,Thank you for logging this issue .
Before making this change we solicited feedback on the decision to combine Tab Size and Indent Size from a wide variety of sources , including public blog posts and forum threads , and found that the vast majority of user feedback was in favor of combining the two .
If its seriously impacting your code to have Tab Size always equal Indent Size , it is possible to write a short editor extension to override the Tools- &gt; Options dialog and set the two options separately .
If thats something youd be interested in , please let me know and Ill see about posting sample code for how to do this .
Im resolving this issue as By Design because we intentionally combined these options for VS 2010 , but please feel free to post again here if you have any further questions or comments and well be happy to help .
Thanks for trying Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 and sending your feedback ! Brittany BehrensProgram Manager , VS Platform - Editor ( bolding above mine for emphasis ) Gee , the team solicited comments , did some research and made a change that people wanted .
Of course , any change will make somebody unhappy .
Brittany even volunteered to give folks a simple editor extension to make the settings different for those that want it .
My assumption is that anyone using Visual Studio is a developer and capeable of using such an extension , or writing it themselves .
It is not difficult .
-Foredecker</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didnt?
Windows 7 way hotter than Vista off the line, now more popular than all OS X
versions [engadget.com].
Okay then... How is this tab things news or interesting at all?
Here is what
Brittany Behrens a PM for the editor team said:Hi Brien,Thank you for logging this issue.
Before making this change we
solicited feedback on the decision to combine Tab Size and Indent Size from
a wide variety of sources, including public blog posts and forum
threads, and found that the vast majority of user
feedback was in favor of combining the two.
If its seriously
impacting your code to have Tab Size always equal Indent Size,
it is possible to write a short editor extension to
override the Tools-&gt;Options dialog and set the two options separately.
If thats something youd be interested in, please let me know and Ill see
about posting sample code for how to do this.
Im resolving this issue as By Design because we intentionally combined
these options for VS 2010, but please feel free to post again here if you
have any further questions or comments and well be happy to help.
Thanks for trying Visual Studio 2010 Beta 2 and sending your feedback!Brittany BehrensProgram Manager, VS Platform - Editor(bolding above mine for emphasis)Gee, the team solicited comments, did some research and made a change that
people wanted.
Of course, any change will make somebody unhappy.
Brittany even volunteered to give folks a simple editor extension to make the
settings different for those that want it.
My assumption is that anyone using
Visual Studio is a developer and capeable of using such an extension, or writing
it themselves.
It is not difficult.
-Foredecker 
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886556</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>cgenman</author>
	<datestamp>1264359720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didn't?</i></p><p>Of course the tab thing made Slashdot front page.  Some people here virtually LIVE in Visual Studio, and code indentation is a heavily entrenched basic function of coding that people get surprisingly fired up about.  Even if this particular aspect of code indentation isn't going to effect people, it's just begging for a heated emacs level discussion.</p><p>Your article, on the other hand, basically confirms that people like Windows 7 more than Vista, and that Windows 7 continues the well known and understood tradition of Windows outselling OSX by a factor of 10 to 1.  These are things we already knew.  Also, the article you site isn't even the source of the information, but refers to a much better Ars Technica article, which itself gets the data from Net Applications.  I wonder if you didn't link the <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/01/windows-7-growing-faster-than-vista-overtakes-mac-os.ars" title="arstechnica.com">Ars Technica</a> [arstechnica.com] article directly because it claims that "Linux was the only operating system [in December] to show positive percentage growth in market share."  Or maybe this one "When putting this into perspective across the whole year, though, we see that Windows was actually sliding steadily throughout 2009 (93.66 percent in January 2009), while both Mac OS (4.71 percent in January 2009) and Linux (0.90 percent in January 2009) have been gaining."  Or maybe the fact that Windows XP continues to hold onto 2/3rds of the active Windows installbase.</p><p>Also, it might be nice to point out that you're work at Microsoft in the Windows org as a development manger.  It would boost your credibility as a poster, and reduce potential conflicts of interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following did n't ? Of course the tab thing made Slashdot front page .
Some people here virtually LIVE in Visual Studio , and code indentation is a heavily entrenched basic function of coding that people get surprisingly fired up about .
Even if this particular aspect of code indentation is n't going to effect people , it 's just begging for a heated emacs level discussion.Your article , on the other hand , basically confirms that people like Windows 7 more than Vista , and that Windows 7 continues the well known and understood tradition of Windows outselling OSX by a factor of 10 to 1 .
These are things we already knew .
Also , the article you site is n't even the source of the information , but refers to a much better Ars Technica article , which itself gets the data from Net Applications .
I wonder if you did n't link the Ars Technica [ arstechnica.com ] article directly because it claims that " Linux was the only operating system [ in December ] to show positive percentage growth in market share .
" Or maybe this one " When putting this into perspective across the whole year , though , we see that Windows was actually sliding steadily throughout 2009 ( 93.66 percent in January 2009 ) , while both Mac OS ( 4.71 percent in January 2009 ) and Linux ( 0.90 percent in January 2009 ) have been gaining .
" Or maybe the fact that Windows XP continues to hold onto 2/3rds of the active Windows installbase.Also , it might be nice to point out that you 're work at Microsoft in the Windows org as a development manger .
It would boost your credibility as a poster , and reduce potential conflicts of interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This tab thing makes Slashdot front page and the following didn't?Of course the tab thing made Slashdot front page.
Some people here virtually LIVE in Visual Studio, and code indentation is a heavily entrenched basic function of coding that people get surprisingly fired up about.
Even if this particular aspect of code indentation isn't going to effect people, it's just begging for a heated emacs level discussion.Your article, on the other hand, basically confirms that people like Windows 7 more than Vista, and that Windows 7 continues the well known and understood tradition of Windows outselling OSX by a factor of 10 to 1.
These are things we already knew.
Also, the article you site isn't even the source of the information, but refers to a much better Ars Technica article, which itself gets the data from Net Applications.
I wonder if you didn't link the Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] article directly because it claims that "Linux was the only operating system [in December] to show positive percentage growth in market share.
"  Or maybe this one "When putting this into perspective across the whole year, though, we see that Windows was actually sliding steadily throughout 2009 (93.66 percent in January 2009), while both Mac OS (4.71 percent in January 2009) and Linux (0.90 percent in January 2009) have been gaining.
"  Or maybe the fact that Windows XP continues to hold onto 2/3rds of the active Windows installbase.Also, it might be nice to point out that you're work at Microsoft in the Windows org as a development manger.
It would boost your credibility as a poster, and reduce potential conflicts of interest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30886440</id>
	<title>Re:This is news at any level how?</title>
	<author>Col. Klink (retired)</author>
	<datestamp>1264358400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you read the <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/vseditor/archive/2009/03/19/how-do-you-use-tab-size-and-indent-size.aspx" title="msdn.com">blog post</a> [msdn.com] where they solicited feedback?  It had 9 comments in total.  Among them was this comment from the author of the blog (4th comment):</p><blockquote><div><p>I assure you we won't be changing that option [tab vs spaces] any time soon<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div> </blockquote><p>So they solicited comments on a blog that no one reads and immediately say they aren't planning to change anything when questioned.  After saying they wouldn't be changing the option, no one complained.  Wow, what due diligence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you read the blog post [ msdn.com ] where they solicited feedback ?
It had 9 comments in total .
Among them was this comment from the author of the blog ( 4th comment ) : I assure you we wo n't be changing that option [ tab vs spaces ] any time soon : - ) So they solicited comments on a blog that no one reads and immediately say they are n't planning to change anything when questioned .
After saying they would n't be changing the option , no one complained .
Wow , what due diligence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you read the blog post [msdn.com] where they solicited feedback?
It had 9 comments in total.
Among them was this comment from the author of the blog (4th comment):I assure you we won't be changing that option [tab vs spaces] any time soon :-) So they solicited comments on a blog that no one reads and immediately say they aren't planning to change anything when questioned.
After saying they wouldn't be changing the option, no one complained.
Wow, what due diligence.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_038209.30887956</id>
	<title>Re:Tabs vs. Spaces</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264419600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=tabs&amp;word2=spaces" title="googlefight.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=tabs&amp;word2=spaces</a> [googlefight.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.googlefight.com/index.php ? lang = en \ _GB&amp;word1 = tabs&amp;word2 = spaces [ googlefight.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en\_GB&amp;word1=tabs&amp;word2=spaces [googlefight.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>gazbo</author>
	<datestamp>1264424220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>But you wouldn't use tabs for that.  You would use tabs to indent to the current level, and then spaces for formatting.  In the example you showed where everything is at the top level, there would be no tabs at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But you would n't use tabs for that .
You would use tabs to indent to the current level , and then spaces for formatting .
In the example you showed where everything is at the top level , there would be no tabs at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you wouldn't use tabs for that.
You would use tabs to indent to the current level, and then spaces for formatting.
In the example you showed where everything is at the top level, there would be no tabs at all.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why put tabs in code anyway?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264358760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You need to use spaces for fine-indenting on line continuations anyway. May as well just use them the whole time instead of having a mixture.</p><p>What I mean by that is say I'm calling a function with numerous arguments, so I start a new line partway through. With using only tabs, the majority of the time you will not be able to get the second row of arguments to start at the same position as the first row of arguments and it will look ugly, so you need to fine tune the line with spaces. On top of that, you can't tab as far as possible and then fine-tune, because then if someone else views the file with a different tab-size, it will be off. You need to run out the same amount of tabs as you had on the previous line and then use spaces the rest of the way to keep things in synch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to use spaces for fine-indenting on line continuations anyway .
May as well just use them the whole time instead of having a mixture.What I mean by that is say I 'm calling a function with numerous arguments , so I start a new line partway through .
With using only tabs , the majority of the time you will not be able to get the second row of arguments to start at the same position as the first row of arguments and it will look ugly , so you need to fine tune the line with spaces .
On top of that , you ca n't tab as far as possible and then fine-tune , because then if someone else views the file with a different tab-size , it will be off .
You need to run out the same amount of tabs as you had on the previous line and then use spaces the rest of the way to keep things in synch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to use spaces for fine-indenting on line continuations anyway.
May as well just use them the whole time instead of having a mixture.What I mean by that is say I'm calling a function with numerous arguments, so I start a new line partway through.
With using only tabs, the majority of the time you will not be able to get the second row of arguments to start at the same position as the first row of arguments and it will look ugly, so you need to fine tune the line with spaces.
On top of that, you can't tab as far as possible and then fine-tune, because then if someone else views the file with a different tab-size, it will be off.
You need to run out the same amount of tabs as you had on the previous line and then use spaces the rest of the way to keep things in synch.</sentencetext>
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