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	<title>NZ School Goes Open Source Amid Microsoft Mandate</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1264444980000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Dan Jones writes <i>"Kiwis have built an <a href="http://www.cio.com.au/article/333686/nz\_school\_ditches\_microsoft\_goes\_totally\_open\_source">entire school IT system out of open source software</a>, in less than two months, despite a deal between the New Zealand government and Microsoft that effectively mandates the use of Microsoft products in the country's schools. Albany Senior High School in the northern suburbs of Auckland has been running an entirely open source infrastructure since it opened in 2009. It's using a range of applications like OpenOffice, Moodle for education content, Mahara for student portfolios, and Koha for the library catalogue. Ubuntu Linux is on the desktop and Mandriva provides the server. Interestingly, the school will move into new purpose-built premises this year, which include a dedicated server room design based on standard New Zealand school requirements, including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems. The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dan Jones writes " Kiwis have built an entire school IT system out of open source software , in less than two months , despite a deal between the New Zealand government and Microsoft that effectively mandates the use of Microsoft products in the country 's schools .
Albany Senior High School in the northern suburbs of Auckland has been running an entirely open source infrastructure since it opened in 2009 .
It 's using a range of applications like OpenOffice , Moodle for education content , Mahara for student portfolios , and Koha for the library catalogue .
Ubuntu Linux is on the desktop and Mandriva provides the server .
Interestingly , the school will move into new purpose-built premises this year , which include a dedicated server room design based on standard New Zealand school requirements , including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems .
The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers , suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements .
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<sentencetext>Dan Jones writes "Kiwis have built an entire school IT system out of open source software, in less than two months, despite a deal between the New Zealand government and Microsoft that effectively mandates the use of Microsoft products in the country's schools.
Albany Senior High School in the northern suburbs of Auckland has been running an entirely open source infrastructure since it opened in 2009.
It's using a range of applications like OpenOffice, Moodle for education content, Mahara for student portfolios, and Koha for the library catalogue.
Ubuntu Linux is on the desktop and Mandriva provides the server.
Interestingly, the school will move into new purpose-built premises this year, which include a dedicated server room design based on standard New Zealand school requirements, including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems.
The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements.
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	<title>No Idea How To Configure Home Folders Dumb Ass</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you obviously have no idea how to properly configure home folders to be shared though out multiple users....<br>you just set up the users to use that folder as that home folder, make sure that all the users belong to the same group, and apply group permissions to the folder.... duh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you obviously have no idea how to properly configure home folders to be shared though out multiple users....you just set up the users to use that folder as that home folder , make sure that all the users belong to the same group , and apply group permissions to the folder.... duh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you obviously have no idea how to properly configure home folders to be shared though out multiple users....you just set up the users to use that folder as that home folder, make sure that all the users belong to the same group, and apply group permissions to the folder.... duh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887298</id>
	<title>Windows has some \_really\_ big no-nos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264411320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is one \_big\_ minefield with Windows, and that is software distribution. How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware? This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems. (to some extend the problem is the same with the Mac)</p><p>Most Linux distributions solve that by having a package manager. I can safely tell a person to search for software in there and be assured that the chance they download malware is very slim.</p><p>As long as Microsoft refuses to address this problem and make all files downloaded instantly executable, I just cannot recommend Windows to the average user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is one \ _big \ _ minefield with Windows , and that is software distribution .
How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware ?
This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems .
( to some extend the problem is the same with the Mac ) Most Linux distributions solve that by having a package manager .
I can safely tell a person to search for software in there and be assured that the chance they download malware is very slim.As long as Microsoft refuses to address this problem and make all files downloaded instantly executable , I just can not recommend Windows to the average user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is one \_big\_ minefield with Windows, and that is software distribution.
How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware?
This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems.
(to some extend the problem is the same with the Mac)Most Linux distributions solve that by having a package manager.
I can safely tell a person to search for software in there and be assured that the chance they download malware is very slim.As long as Microsoft refuses to address this problem and make all files downloaded instantly executable, I just cannot recommend Windows to the average user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887402</id>
	<title>Re:192 Server Capacity?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1264412400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>OK, 4 racks * 48 servers/rack = 192 servers at new location</p></div><p>No wonder we are running short on IP addresses.</p></div>
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<tokenext>OK , 4 racks * 48 servers/rack = 192 servers at new locationNo wonder we are running short on IP addresses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, 4 racks * 48 servers/rack = 192 servers at new locationNo wonder we are running short on IP addresses.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887274</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>hughbar</author>
	<datestamp>1264411020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Pretty nearly. Two recent experiments:
<br> <br>
1. I didn't tell a houseguest that my desktops are Ubuntu now (used to be XP) and they managed to login/surf without any help<br>
2. Computer drop in for older people using Ubuntu, I had to tell one user where to find the word processor and I now have a one page 'manual',
everyone fairly happy
<br> <br>
None of this is statistically significant, of course, but these users certainly aren't 'power' users.  Actually there are two other points here:
<br> <br>
3. You can arrange the desktop to look pretty much like XP, if you really really want (to quote the immortal Spice Girls)<br>
4. Knowing a couple of desktops enables you to generalise, an important education theory win</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty nearly .
Two recent experiments : 1 .
I did n't tell a houseguest that my desktops are Ubuntu now ( used to be XP ) and they managed to login/surf without any help 2 .
Computer drop in for older people using Ubuntu , I had to tell one user where to find the word processor and I now have a one page 'manual ' , everyone fairly happy None of this is statistically significant , of course , but these users certainly are n't 'power ' users .
Actually there are two other points here : 3 .
You can arrange the desktop to look pretty much like XP , if you really really want ( to quote the immortal Spice Girls ) 4 .
Knowing a couple of desktops enables you to generalise , an important education theory win</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty nearly.
Two recent experiments:
 
1.
I didn't tell a houseguest that my desktops are Ubuntu now (used to be XP) and they managed to login/surf without any help
2.
Computer drop in for older people using Ubuntu, I had to tell one user where to find the word processor and I now have a one page 'manual',
everyone fairly happy
 
None of this is statistically significant, of course, but these users certainly aren't 'power' users.
Actually there are two other points here:
 
3.
You can arrange the desktop to look pretty much like XP, if you really really want (to quote the immortal Spice Girls)
4.
Knowing a couple of desktops enables you to generalise, an important education theory win
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886974</id>
	<title>You did it the hard way</title>
	<author>Old Man Kensey</author>
	<datestamp>1264451040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's an easier way to create folder shortcuts on the desktop, which doesn't involve typing text paths: Right-click on the folder you want a shortcut to.  Click "Make link".  Drag the link to the desktop.  Rename it if desired.
</p><p>
I'm not sure if the lack of "all users"-type functionality is a deficiency in Ubuntu, or an annoyance in Windows.  For a single-user desktop, "All Users" is completely unnecessary, and on multi-user desktops I've more often seen it lead to annoyances than actually be useful.  Google Chrome's Windows installer actually installs the program to the user desktop only by default, which will become more common as UAC-type enforcement on the Windows desktop becomes more common.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an easier way to create folder shortcuts on the desktop , which does n't involve typing text paths : Right-click on the folder you want a shortcut to .
Click " Make link " .
Drag the link to the desktop .
Rename it if desired .
I 'm not sure if the lack of " all users " -type functionality is a deficiency in Ubuntu , or an annoyance in Windows .
For a single-user desktop , " All Users " is completely unnecessary , and on multi-user desktops I 've more often seen it lead to annoyances than actually be useful .
Google Chrome 's Windows installer actually installs the program to the user desktop only by default , which will become more common as UAC-type enforcement on the Windows desktop becomes more common .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an easier way to create folder shortcuts on the desktop, which doesn't involve typing text paths: Right-click on the folder you want a shortcut to.
Click "Make link".
Drag the link to the desktop.
Rename it if desired.
I'm not sure if the lack of "all users"-type functionality is a deficiency in Ubuntu, or an annoyance in Windows.
For a single-user desktop, "All Users" is completely unnecessary, and on multi-user desktops I've more often seen it lead to annoyances than actually be useful.
Google Chrome's Windows installer actually installs the program to the user desktop only by default, which will become more common as UAC-type enforcement on the Windows desktop becomes more common.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Fifty fold usage of servers? Awful writing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264451520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The writing implies that a Windows solution will take 48 servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The writing implies that a Windows solution will take 48 servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The writing implies that a Windows solution will take 48 servers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888436</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>RMS Eats Toejam</author>
	<datestamp>1264425300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration.</p></div><p>Good for you, but you are only one person and hardly represent a typical computer user.  Hell, you don't even represent all of Slashdot.  I find Linux slow, cumbersome, and aggravating to use.  It literally feels like I'm using an OS that was produced by a joint venture between Fred Sanford and Fisher Price.  I can't see why anyone would use it for anything except servers or embedded devices where user friendliness, software selection, and charm take a back seat to cost and customization.  Unless of course they had an irrational hatred for Microsoft or proprietary software in general.</p><p>Tablizer's point, which you missed, was that for a majority of people Windows represents how things should be.  It's the status quo for the desktop.  By no means do I wish to imply that Linux will ever reach widespread use for everyday computer users, but your attitude certainly doesn't help the situation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration.Good for you , but you are only one person and hardly represent a typical computer user .
Hell , you do n't even represent all of Slashdot .
I find Linux slow , cumbersome , and aggravating to use .
It literally feels like I 'm using an OS that was produced by a joint venture between Fred Sanford and Fisher Price .
I ca n't see why anyone would use it for anything except servers or embedded devices where user friendliness , software selection , and charm take a back seat to cost and customization .
Unless of course they had an irrational hatred for Microsoft or proprietary software in general.Tablizer 's point , which you missed , was that for a majority of people Windows represents how things should be .
It 's the status quo for the desktop .
By no means do I wish to imply that Linux will ever reach widespread use for everyday computer users , but your attitude certainly does n't help the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration.Good for you, but you are only one person and hardly represent a typical computer user.
Hell, you don't even represent all of Slashdot.
I find Linux slow, cumbersome, and aggravating to use.
It literally feels like I'm using an OS that was produced by a joint venture between Fred Sanford and Fisher Price.
I can't see why anyone would use it for anything except servers or embedded devices where user friendliness, software selection, and charm take a back seat to cost and customization.
Unless of course they had an irrational hatred for Microsoft or proprietary software in general.Tablizer's point, which you missed, was that for a majority of people Windows represents how things should be.
It's the status quo for the desktop.
By no means do I wish to imply that Linux will ever reach widespread use for everyday computer users, but your attitude certainly doesn't help the situation.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887008</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264451520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An even bigger problem is people who try Linux expecting it to be an identical clone of windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An even bigger problem is people who try Linux expecting it to be an identical clone of windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An even bigger problem is people who try Linux expecting it to be an identical clone of windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887784</id>
	<title>Re:FTA</title>
	<author>rtb61</author>
	<datestamp>1264417740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> It is inherently corrupt as it financially excludes the use of all other competing software, be it open source or proprietary. I assume the contract would also be for an extended number of years. The purpose of the contract is quite simply to burden every industry that wants to hire those students with the cost of retraining them to open source software and then the marketdroid schills claiming those cost as a disadvantage of using open source and all of it willing supported by the New Zealand government. </p><p> All this when there was a free choice that would not burden the citizens of New Zealand with additional foreign debt as well as loading New Zealand business with additional foreign debt to buy the locked in from childhood software so that they make immediate use of the students upon their leaving school. the contract is corrupt in every method of it's application and, it is impossible to believe the people responsible for making the purchases where blind to the long term costs to New Zealand for the choices they were making, unless of course the blindness was induced by things other than what was in the best interests of the New Zealand people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is inherently corrupt as it financially excludes the use of all other competing software , be it open source or proprietary .
I assume the contract would also be for an extended number of years .
The purpose of the contract is quite simply to burden every industry that wants to hire those students with the cost of retraining them to open source software and then the marketdroid schills claiming those cost as a disadvantage of using open source and all of it willing supported by the New Zealand government .
All this when there was a free choice that would not burden the citizens of New Zealand with additional foreign debt as well as loading New Zealand business with additional foreign debt to buy the locked in from childhood software so that they make immediate use of the students upon their leaving school .
the contract is corrupt in every method of it 's application and , it is impossible to believe the people responsible for making the purchases where blind to the long term costs to New Zealand for the choices they were making , unless of course the blindness was induced by things other than what was in the best interests of the New Zealand people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It is inherently corrupt as it financially excludes the use of all other competing software, be it open source or proprietary.
I assume the contract would also be for an extended number of years.
The purpose of the contract is quite simply to burden every industry that wants to hire those students with the cost of retraining them to open source software and then the marketdroid schills claiming those cost as a disadvantage of using open source and all of it willing supported by the New Zealand government.
All this when there was a free choice that would not burden the citizens of New Zealand with additional foreign debt as well as loading New Zealand business with additional foreign debt to buy the locked in from childhood software so that they make immediate use of the students upon their leaving school.
the contract is corrupt in every method of it's application and, it is impossible to believe the people responsible for making the purchases where blind to the long term costs to New Zealand for the choices they were making, unless of course the blindness was induced by things other than what was in the best interests of the New Zealand people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887194</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Veyasu</author>
	<datestamp>1264410180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everything is Microsoft because all everyone know is Microsoft. Thats why everyone should be learning Microsoft.

See how this is a vicious circle thats not really profiting anyone but Microsoft?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything is Microsoft because all everyone know is Microsoft .
Thats why everyone should be learning Microsoft .
See how this is a vicious circle thats not really profiting anyone but Microsoft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything is Microsoft because all everyone know is Microsoft.
Thats why everyone should be learning Microsoft.
See how this is a vicious circle thats not really profiting anyone but Microsoft?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889258</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1264432020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense. bravo.</p><p>This is of course nonsense.</p><p>If the student hasn't learned things in the abstract and is unable to move<br>from word processor to word processor or whatnot pretty much at will then<br>the relevant education has already failed him. This will manifest the next<br>time Microsoft decides to pull another Office 2007.</p><p>Kids today aren't quite as stupid as their predecessors. So the need to<br>fixate on a particular brand of application really isn't there so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft. &gt; &gt; you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense .
bravo.This is of course nonsense.If the student has n't learned things in the abstract and is unable to movefrom word processor to word processor or whatnot pretty much at will thenthe relevant education has already failed him .
This will manifest the nexttime Microsoft decides to pull another Office 2007.Kids today are n't quite as stupid as their predecessors .
So the need tofixate on a particular brand of application really is n't there so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.&gt;&gt; you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense.
bravo.This is of course nonsense.If the student hasn't learned things in the abstract and is unable to movefrom word processor to word processor or whatnot pretty much at will thenthe relevant education has already failed him.
This will manifest the nexttime Microsoft decides to pull another Office 2007.Kids today aren't quite as stupid as their predecessors.
So the need tofixate on a particular brand of application really isn't there so much.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30894570</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>minion</author>
	<datestamp>1264452420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero? How's that for savings?</p></div><p>Wow, 4486, I thought my user-ID was old! . My HS had one server - a disgusting Netware server with Tolkin Ring to IBM PS/2s. We had DOS and we liked it. I tell ya, kids these days are spoiled rotten.</p></div>
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<tokenext>And BTW , as long as you 're standing on my lawn , may I remind you that my own high school 's expenditure on servers was exactly zero ?
How 's that for savings ? Wow , 4486 , I thought my user-ID was old !
. My HS had one server - a disgusting Netware server with Tolkin Ring to IBM PS/2s .
We had DOS and we liked it .
I tell ya , kids these days are spoiled rotten .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero?
How's that for savings?Wow, 4486, I thought my user-ID was old!
. My HS had one server - a disgusting Netware server with Tolkin Ring to IBM PS/2s.
We had DOS and we liked it.
I tell ya, kids these days are spoiled rotten.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888350</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264424580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Agreed. I don't know how big their network is, but I expect at least:</i></p><p><i>8 Us for Switch<br>8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.<br>8 Us for PBX patch pannels<br>8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories (Eg. ATAs, GSM -&gt; SIP GWs, etc).<br>10 Us for UPS<br>6 Us for Audio system.<br>8 Us for Servers<br>4 Us for routers<br>20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)<br>10 Us for Power strips (across all racks)</i></p><p><i><b>And I'm missing a lot of things, probably.</b> </i> </p><p>Yeah, like a clue.  Seriously, 20 Us for displays/keyboards (one for each rack)?  What's wrong with a 2U KVM switch with a slideout keyboard drawer and folding down LCD?  Everyone makes them, and it's all I've seen in server rooms in the past 10 years or so.  And you only need one for every 2-3 FULL racks if you're using IP-based KVMs.</p><p>And 10Us for power strips?  Are you mad?  Who doesn't buy server racks that don't already have PDUs built in?  Most of them have PDUs built into the side that then feed power receptacles along the back edge of the uprights.  No power strips needed.</p><p>Separate patch panels for PBX and Ethernet?  Who builds a new facility these days and doesn't use VOIP?  You can use the same patch panels and switches for your phone system and ethernet.  Barring that, most non-VOIP  PBXs don't use a traditional patch panel.  They have a punch-down board mounted directly on the wall.</p><p>And 4 Us for routers?  How many routers do you think you need for a school with 4 servers?  Buy a 1U router that can accommodate 2-4 line cards and you have more than enough capability to accommodate any WAN/ISP connectivity that you need.  For a site this size you wouldn't need an internal core router, you could accommodate everything that they need with a couple of stackable Layer 3 switches.</p><p>The 1980's called...they want their server closet back...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I do n't know how big their network is , but I expect at least : 8 Us for Switch8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.8 Us for PBX patch pannels8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories ( Eg .
ATAs , GSM - &gt; SIP GWs , etc ) .10 Us for UPS6 Us for Audio system.8 Us for Servers4 Us for routers20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard ( 2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks ) 10 Us for Power strips ( across all racks ) And I 'm missing a lot of things , probably .
Yeah , like a clue .
Seriously , 20 Us for displays/keyboards ( one for each rack ) ?
What 's wrong with a 2U KVM switch with a slideout keyboard drawer and folding down LCD ?
Everyone makes them , and it 's all I 've seen in server rooms in the past 10 years or so .
And you only need one for every 2-3 FULL racks if you 're using IP-based KVMs.And 10Us for power strips ?
Are you mad ?
Who does n't buy server racks that do n't already have PDUs built in ?
Most of them have PDUs built into the side that then feed power receptacles along the back edge of the uprights .
No power strips needed.Separate patch panels for PBX and Ethernet ?
Who builds a new facility these days and does n't use VOIP ?
You can use the same patch panels and switches for your phone system and ethernet .
Barring that , most non-VOIP PBXs do n't use a traditional patch panel .
They have a punch-down board mounted directly on the wall.And 4 Us for routers ?
How many routers do you think you need for a school with 4 servers ?
Buy a 1U router that can accommodate 2-4 line cards and you have more than enough capability to accommodate any WAN/ISP connectivity that you need .
For a site this size you would n't need an internal core router , you could accommodate everything that they need with a couple of stackable Layer 3 switches.The 1980 's called...they want their server closet back.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I don't know how big their network is, but I expect at least:8 Us for Switch8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.8 Us for PBX patch pannels8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories (Eg.
ATAs, GSM -&gt; SIP GWs, etc).10 Us for UPS6 Us for Audio system.8 Us for Servers4 Us for routers20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)10 Us for Power strips (across all racks)And I'm missing a lot of things, probably.
Yeah, like a clue.
Seriously, 20 Us for displays/keyboards (one for each rack)?
What's wrong with a 2U KVM switch with a slideout keyboard drawer and folding down LCD?
Everyone makes them, and it's all I've seen in server rooms in the past 10 years or so.
And you only need one for every 2-3 FULL racks if you're using IP-based KVMs.And 10Us for power strips?
Are you mad?
Who doesn't buy server racks that don't already have PDUs built in?
Most of them have PDUs built into the side that then feed power receptacles along the back edge of the uprights.
No power strips needed.Separate patch panels for PBX and Ethernet?
Who builds a new facility these days and doesn't use VOIP?
You can use the same patch panels and switches for your phone system and ethernet.
Barring that, most non-VOIP  PBXs don't use a traditional patch panel.
They have a punch-down board mounted directly on the wall.And 4 Us for routers?
How many routers do you think you need for a school with 4 servers?
Buy a 1U router that can accommodate 2-4 line cards and you have more than enough capability to accommodate any WAN/ISP connectivity that you need.
For a site this size you wouldn't need an internal core router, you could accommodate everything that they need with a couple of stackable Layer 3 switches.The 1980's called...they want their server closet back...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886926</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264450380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, we had no servers. And I will tell you the access time to any students records was guaranteed to be less than the time it takes to log in. The gall if it! We actually used folders, and paper! Humm can we sue Microsoft for prior art? I mean folder, and object inside like Pictures and documents! When my kids ask what our generation did, I tell them where do you think the computers and internet came from? You think Al Gore invented it? Pufft</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , we had no servers .
And I will tell you the access time to any students records was guaranteed to be less than the time it takes to log in .
The gall if it !
We actually used folders , and paper !
Humm can we sue Microsoft for prior art ?
I mean folder , and object inside like Pictures and documents !
When my kids ask what our generation did , I tell them where do you think the computers and internet came from ?
You think Al Gore invented it ?
Pufft</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, we had no servers.
And I will tell you the access time to any students records was guaranteed to be less than the time it takes to log in.
The gall if it!
We actually used folders, and paper!
Humm can we sue Microsoft for prior art?
I mean folder, and object inside like Pictures and documents!
When my kids ask what our generation did, I tell them where do you think the computers and internet came from?
You think Al Gore invented it?
Pufft</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887156</id>
	<title>Drum roll please...</title>
	<author>creimer</author>
	<datestamp>1264453020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They could run a Beowulf cluster with those extra 44 servers.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>They could run a Beowulf cluster with those extra 44 servers .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could run a Beowulf cluster with those extra 44 servers.
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886894</id>
	<title>Re:192 Server Capacity?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1264450020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect that the more servers that were used, the more MS gets paid in the deal.  Combine that with governments' tendency to buy a lot of stuff that it doesn't need and the reasoning for using 192 servers becomes all too clear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that the more servers that were used , the more MS gets paid in the deal .
Combine that with governments ' tendency to buy a lot of stuff that it does n't need and the reasoning for using 192 servers becomes all too clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that the more servers that were used, the more MS gets paid in the deal.
Combine that with governments' tendency to buy a lot of stuff that it doesn't need and the reasoning for using 192 servers becomes all too clear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887750</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>millette</author>
	<datestamp>1264417440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When a server breaks, like google, they can just throw another one in without having to discard the junk. If it's good enough for google, it must be good enough for a 250 student school.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When a server breaks , like google , they can just throw another one in without having to discard the junk .
If it 's good enough for google , it must be good enough for a 250 student school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When a server breaks, like google, they can just throw another one in without having to discard the junk.
If it's good enough for google, it must be good enough for a 250 student school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30901758</id>
	<title>50 fold improvement</title>
	<author>chentiangemalc</author>
	<datestamp>1264502520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>230 pupil school and 50 fold improvement in servers being used? I'd like to see how they came up with that.
Anyone designing a Windows environment with 48 servers for 230 users must be insane. ???</htmltext>
<tokenext>230 pupil school and 50 fold improvement in servers being used ?
I 'd like to see how they came up with that .
Anyone designing a Windows environment with 48 servers for 230 users must be insane .
? ? ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>230 pupil school and 50 fold improvement in servers being used?
I'd like to see how they came up with that.
Anyone designing a Windows environment with 48 servers for 230 users must be insane.
???</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886824</id>
	<title>50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>PCM2</author>
	<datestamp>1264362960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.</p><p>And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero? How's that for savings?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The school only has 230 students .
I have a hard time believing they 'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.And BTW , as long as you 're standing on my lawn , may I remind you that my own high school 's expenditure on servers was exactly zero ?
How 's that for savings ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school only has 230 students.
I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero?
How's that for savings?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887668</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>slyall</author>
	<datestamp>1264416300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. The school is projected to grow to 1500 pupils over the next few years</p><p>2. The server room thing was the standard said they needed 8 racks of servers, instead they just needed 4 servers taking up less than half a rack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
The school is projected to grow to 1500 pupils over the next few years2 .
The server room thing was the standard said they needed 8 racks of servers , instead they just needed 4 servers taking up less than half a rack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
The school is projected to grow to 1500 pupils over the next few years2.
The server room thing was the standard said they needed 8 racks of servers, instead they just needed 4 servers taking up less than half a rack.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886982</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264451040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your argument is that because Linux is not like Windows, it will never supplant it. But, a copy of Windows will never be as good at being Windows-like than Windows itself, so attempting to mimic Windows is a losing strategy.</p><p>IMHO there are many ways in which Linux is better than Windows. I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your argument is that because Linux is not like Windows , it will never supplant it .
But , a copy of Windows will never be as good at being Windows-like than Windows itself , so attempting to mimic Windows is a losing strategy.IMHO there are many ways in which Linux is better than Windows .
I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your argument is that because Linux is not like Windows, it will never supplant it.
But, a copy of Windows will never be as good at being Windows-like than Windows itself, so attempting to mimic Windows is a losing strategy.IMHO there are many ways in which Linux is better than Windows.
I am able to work much faster under Linux than I can do under Windows and I find doing almost anything under Windows an exercise in frustration.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887272</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1264411020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was clearly the weakest part of the article, yes. First of all, there's four racks of space, not proof that any school actually is using all that capacity. Perhaps even there aren't four racks, just four drawn in on the blueprint as possible to cram into the room, ignoring HVAC and such. I think it's more likely someone wanted a server room, and that is as "small" as they'd reasonably get. Yes, perhaps today a broom closet is enough but having an actual room is practical in many ways for the people that should install or upgrade or rewire or otherwise work on it. So maybe a few square meters wasted but compared to the total floor area I suspect minimal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was clearly the weakest part of the article , yes .
First of all , there 's four racks of space , not proof that any school actually is using all that capacity .
Perhaps even there are n't four racks , just four drawn in on the blueprint as possible to cram into the room , ignoring HVAC and such .
I think it 's more likely someone wanted a server room , and that is as " small " as they 'd reasonably get .
Yes , perhaps today a broom closet is enough but having an actual room is practical in many ways for the people that should install or upgrade or rewire or otherwise work on it .
So maybe a few square meters wasted but compared to the total floor area I suspect minimal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was clearly the weakest part of the article, yes.
First of all, there's four racks of space, not proof that any school actually is using all that capacity.
Perhaps even there aren't four racks, just four drawn in on the blueprint as possible to cram into the room, ignoring HVAC and such.
I think it's more likely someone wanted a server room, and that is as "small" as they'd reasonably get.
Yes, perhaps today a broom closet is enough but having an actual room is practical in many ways for the people that should install or upgrade or rewire or otherwise work on it.
So maybe a few square meters wasted but compared to the total floor area I suspect minimal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888690</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264428120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I was in school in micro-electronics, they only taught us the 2 or 3 first variants of the x86 Intel CPU line.<br>At this time the Pentium 4 was in the works, so we were wondering why not study this directly.</p><p>The teacher said that by the time we would be in the industry everything would've changed.</p><p>Moreover he said that what's really important is to understand the way the system works, so that you'll have the tools to study and understand the dozens or so CPU generations you're likely to work with.</p><p>Anyway we still reviewed the basic principle behind the new generation (bigger pipeline =&gt; smaller blocs =&gt; bigger frequency)<br>but ironically we now know this was a mistake and Intel rolled back to the P3 with the Core architecture...</p><p>So just memorising the architecture of the P4 would've beeen a waste of time: it won't help you understand other CPUs and this knowledge would be obsolete in no time. (it already is, think about 30 years from now...)</p><p>....</p><p>I think the same applies to software (and we did it the same way in school: windows was for the chemestry stundents, linux for comp sci).</p><p>Students need to be taught how does "Word Processors" works, not how to work with "Microsoft Word".<br>Eventually in the "real world" it will be easy for them to re-train to use their company's W.P. of choice, ten times throughout the course of their careers.<br>Learning the quirks of some particular piece of software is good in the enterprise, when you need to use that software, but it's a waste of time during education.</p><p>...</p><p>Then there's the mono-culture problem: if you're only taught about a single implementation you don't even realize there's some more generic principle behind it. When presented with an alternative, you're mind will struggle with this idea and will just view the two as separate.</p><p>The same thing applies with foreign language learning: if you're taught only one language as a kid you'll lack the abstraction needed to easily "register" a new language and learning it will be very hard, while bi-lingual kids can learn 3 more languages in the same time.</p><p>...</p><p>Don't be fooled by Micosoft, this mono-culture is only beneficial to them...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I was in school in micro-electronics , they only taught us the 2 or 3 first variants of the x86 Intel CPU line.At this time the Pentium 4 was in the works , so we were wondering why not study this directly.The teacher said that by the time we would be in the industry everything would 've changed.Moreover he said that what 's really important is to understand the way the system works , so that you 'll have the tools to study and understand the dozens or so CPU generations you 're likely to work with.Anyway we still reviewed the basic principle behind the new generation ( bigger pipeline = &gt; smaller blocs = &gt; bigger frequency ) but ironically we now know this was a mistake and Intel rolled back to the P3 with the Core architecture...So just memorising the architecture of the P4 would 've beeen a waste of time : it wo n't help you understand other CPUs and this knowledge would be obsolete in no time .
( it already is , think about 30 years from now... ) ....I think the same applies to software ( and we did it the same way in school : windows was for the chemestry stundents , linux for comp sci ) .Students need to be taught how does " Word Processors " works , not how to work with " Microsoft Word " .Eventually in the " real world " it will be easy for them to re-train to use their company 's W.P .
of choice , ten times throughout the course of their careers.Learning the quirks of some particular piece of software is good in the enterprise , when you need to use that software , but it 's a waste of time during education....Then there 's the mono-culture problem : if you 're only taught about a single implementation you do n't even realize there 's some more generic principle behind it .
When presented with an alternative , you 're mind will struggle with this idea and will just view the two as separate.The same thing applies with foreign language learning : if you 're taught only one language as a kid you 'll lack the abstraction needed to easily " register " a new language and learning it will be very hard , while bi-lingual kids can learn 3 more languages in the same time....Do n't be fooled by Micosoft , this mono-culture is only beneficial to them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I was in school in micro-electronics, they only taught us the 2 or 3 first variants of the x86 Intel CPU line.At this time the Pentium 4 was in the works, so we were wondering why not study this directly.The teacher said that by the time we would be in the industry everything would've changed.Moreover he said that what's really important is to understand the way the system works, so that you'll have the tools to study and understand the dozens or so CPU generations you're likely to work with.Anyway we still reviewed the basic principle behind the new generation (bigger pipeline =&gt; smaller blocs =&gt; bigger frequency)but ironically we now know this was a mistake and Intel rolled back to the P3 with the Core architecture...So just memorising the architecture of the P4 would've beeen a waste of time: it won't help you understand other CPUs and this knowledge would be obsolete in no time.
(it already is, think about 30 years from now...)....I think the same applies to software (and we did it the same way in school: windows was for the chemestry stundents, linux for comp sci).Students need to be taught how does "Word Processors" works, not how to work with "Microsoft Word".Eventually in the "real world" it will be easy for them to re-train to use their company's W.P.
of choice, ten times throughout the course of their careers.Learning the quirks of some particular piece of software is good in the enterprise, when you need to use that software, but it's a waste of time during education....Then there's the mono-culture problem: if you're only taught about a single implementation you don't even realize there's some more generic principle behind it.
When presented with an alternative, you're mind will struggle with this idea and will just view the two as separate.The same thing applies with foreign language learning: if you're taught only one language as a kid you'll lack the abstraction needed to easily "register" a new language and learning it will be very hard, while bi-lingual kids can learn 3 more languages in the same time....Don't be fooled by Micosoft, this mono-culture is only beneficial to them...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887204</id>
	<title>Not a matter of cost</title>
	<author>Casandro</author>
	<datestamp>1264410300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Today it's just sensible to use open source.Not only does it cause far fewer headaches, it also enables children to learn more about the technology.<br>It's much easier for interested children to expand their knowledge. For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP, they can just use netcat, and then later maybe wireshark.<br>Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.</p><p>Over time you will have many people in lots of different jobs knowing a bit about computers. This will lead to departments having one or two persons with such experience. The knowledge of those people will then slowly diffuse in the department and cause higher efficiency.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today it 's just sensible to use open source.Not only does it cause far fewer headaches , it also enables children to learn more about the technology.It 's much easier for interested children to expand their knowledge .
For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP , they can just use netcat , and then later maybe wireshark.Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.Over time you will have many people in lots of different jobs knowing a bit about computers .
This will lead to departments having one or two persons with such experience .
The knowledge of those people will then slowly diffuse in the department and cause higher efficiency .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today it's just sensible to use open source.Not only does it cause far fewer headaches, it also enables children to learn more about the technology.It's much easier for interested children to expand their knowledge.
For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP, they can just use netcat, and then later maybe wireshark.Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.Over time you will have many people in lots of different jobs knowing a bit about computers.
This will lead to departments having one or two persons with such experience.
The knowledge of those people will then slowly diffuse in the department and cause higher efficiency.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887016</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264451520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if they were bigger... there is little cost saving in building a server room for one rack vs a server room for four racks, even though you expect to use only one rack. However having to expand the server room later to accommodate a second rack now that's not just expensive but potentially disruptive to the school (construction is noisy and messy).
</p><p>So it sounds like a sensible requirement to have a slightly over sized server room. And this being the government requirement possibly regardless of the school size. So there may be hardware savings, to call it 50-fold is baseless.
</p><p>Having four servers for 230 students and maybe 30 staff or so sounds overkill to me even. But then again that's possibly designed with some redundancy in place, or with room for immediate expansion. Or are these application highly server based? Can also require more server power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if they were bigger... there is little cost saving in building a server room for one rack vs a server room for four racks , even though you expect to use only one rack .
However having to expand the server room later to accommodate a second rack now that 's not just expensive but potentially disruptive to the school ( construction is noisy and messy ) .
So it sounds like a sensible requirement to have a slightly over sized server room .
And this being the government requirement possibly regardless of the school size .
So there may be hardware savings , to call it 50-fold is baseless .
Having four servers for 230 students and maybe 30 staff or so sounds overkill to me even .
But then again that 's possibly designed with some redundancy in place , or with room for immediate expansion .
Or are these application highly server based ?
Can also require more server power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if they were bigger... there is little cost saving in building a server room for one rack vs a server room for four racks, even though you expect to use only one rack.
However having to expand the server room later to accommodate a second rack now that's not just expensive but potentially disruptive to the school (construction is noisy and messy).
So it sounds like a sensible requirement to have a slightly over sized server room.
And this being the government requirement possibly regardless of the school size.
So there may be hardware savings, to call it 50-fold is baseless.
Having four servers for 230 students and maybe 30 staff or so sounds overkill to me even.
But then again that's possibly designed with some redundancy in place, or with room for immediate expansion.
Or are these application highly server based?
Can also require more server power.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886986</id>
	<title>You're doing it wrong.</title>
	<author>a0schweitzer</author>
	<datestamp>1264451100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The idea behind Ubuntu (and desktop linux in general), is that it is a multi-user OS. Multi-user in the sense that the administrator determines what a user can do, and the user can do anything they want within these limits. There is no need for easily accessible multi-user desktop-shortcuts, because each user should be allowed to set up their own desktop the way they want it. You just have to shift the way you think about your desktop environment a little bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea behind Ubuntu ( and desktop linux in general ) , is that it is a multi-user OS .
Multi-user in the sense that the administrator determines what a user can do , and the user can do anything they want within these limits .
There is no need for easily accessible multi-user desktop-shortcuts , because each user should be allowed to set up their own desktop the way they want it .
You just have to shift the way you think about your desktop environment a little bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea behind Ubuntu (and desktop linux in general), is that it is a multi-user OS.
Multi-user in the sense that the administrator determines what a user can do, and the user can do anything they want within these limits.
There is no need for easily accessible multi-user desktop-shortcuts, because each user should be allowed to set up their own desktop the way they want it.
You just have to shift the way you think about your desktop environment a little bit.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1264447320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your remark shows immaturity in the field of education.<p>
A good school is not about learning you monkey-tricks on a specific tool, quite the contrary they'll teach you the essence of a task and enable you to fill in the details by yourself.<br>
Because of the nature of Linux chances of learning more in depth details are not accidental but rather an integral part, you are bound to get more able computer uses than by only teaching them Windows short cuts.</p><p>
As car analogies are so popular, why teach a student to only drive a Lada when a Porsche would be so much more rewarding?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your remark shows immaturity in the field of education .
A good school is not about learning you monkey-tricks on a specific tool , quite the contrary they 'll teach you the essence of a task and enable you to fill in the details by yourself .
Because of the nature of Linux chances of learning more in depth details are not accidental but rather an integral part , you are bound to get more able computer uses than by only teaching them Windows short cuts .
As car analogies are so popular , why teach a student to only drive a Lada when a Porsche would be so much more rewarding ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your remark shows immaturity in the field of education.
A good school is not about learning you monkey-tricks on a specific tool, quite the contrary they'll teach you the essence of a task and enable you to fill in the details by yourself.
Because of the nature of Linux chances of learning more in depth details are not accidental but rather an integral part, you are bound to get more able computer uses than by only teaching them Windows short cuts.
As car analogies are so popular, why teach a student to only drive a Lada when a Porsche would be so much more rewarding?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887262</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>GNUALMAFUERTE</author>
	<datestamp>1264410960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. I don't know how big their network is, but I expect at least:</p><p>8 Us for Switch<br>8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.<br>8 Us for PBX patch pannels<br>8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories (Eg. ATAs, GSM -&gt; SIP GWs, etc).<br>10 Us for UPS<br>6 Us for Audio system.<br>8 Us for Servers<br>4 Us for routers<br>20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)<br>10 Us for Power strips (across all racks)</p><p>And I'm missing a lot of things, probably.</p><p>That is 90 Us.</p><p>Off course, the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used, since they are not comfortable. If you add some space between equipments (It's good practice, also, many systems are not rackable, and they take up more space). That can take you to, let's say, 120 Us. Plus, some room for expansion.</p><p>4 Racks seems like a good setup to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I do n't know how big their network is , but I expect at least : 8 Us for Switch8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.8 Us for PBX patch pannels8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories ( Eg .
ATAs , GSM - &gt; SIP GWs , etc ) .10 Us for UPS6 Us for Audio system.8 Us for Servers4 Us for routers20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard ( 2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks ) 10 Us for Power strips ( across all racks ) And I 'm missing a lot of things , probably.That is 90 Us.Off course , the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used , since they are not comfortable .
If you add some space between equipments ( It 's good practice , also , many systems are not rackable , and they take up more space ) .
That can take you to , let 's say , 120 Us .
Plus , some room for expansion.4 Racks seems like a good setup to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I don't know how big their network is, but I expect at least:8 Us for Switch8 Us of Patch pannels for Ethernet.8 Us for PBX patch pannels8 Us for the actual PBX + Accesories (Eg.
ATAs, GSM -&gt; SIP GWs, etc).10 Us for UPS6 Us for Audio system.8 Us for Servers4 Us for routers20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)10 Us for Power strips (across all racks)And I'm missing a lot of things, probably.That is 90 Us.Off course, the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used, since they are not comfortable.
If you add some space between equipments (It's good practice, also, many systems are not rackable, and they take up more space).
That can take you to, let's say, 120 Us.
Plus, some room for expansion.4 Racks seems like a good setup to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887164</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>belmolis</author>
	<datestamp>1264453080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
If there is a case for some students learning specific MS programs, they can always run them on the student's own MS system or under the hypervisor. For many purposes, such as email and web-surfing, it makes little difference which specific program and OS the students use. Students who learn to use a spreadsheet or a word processor on Ubuntu will learn not only how to use those particular programs but the concepts behind them. Learning to use another program at work won't be that hard if they already know how to use the same kind of program.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there is a case for some students learning specific MS programs , they can always run them on the student 's own MS system or under the hypervisor .
For many purposes , such as email and web-surfing , it makes little difference which specific program and OS the students use .
Students who learn to use a spreadsheet or a word processor on Ubuntu will learn not only how to use those particular programs but the concepts behind them .
Learning to use another program at work wo n't be that hard if they already know how to use the same kind of program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
If there is a case for some students learning specific MS programs, they can always run them on the student's own MS system or under the hypervisor.
For many purposes, such as email and web-surfing, it makes little difference which specific program and OS the students use.
Students who learn to use a spreadsheet or a word processor on Ubuntu will learn not only how to use those particular programs but the concepts behind them.
Learning to use another program at work won't be that hard if they already know how to use the same kind of program.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30892316</id>
	<title>Opened in 2009, moving in 2010</title>
	<author>Leuf</author>
	<datestamp>1264442880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they are moving a high school one year after opening it something tells me a few MS licenses is the least of this school district's financial issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they are moving a high school one year after opening it something tells me a few MS licenses is the least of this school district 's financial issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they are moving a high school one year after opening it something tells me a few MS licenses is the least of this school district's financial issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30892820</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>advocate\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1264444620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>folders? pah!... I seem to recall having the luxury of folders and files when running GEM 2 on my old Amstrad PC1512 with just 512 Kbytes of RAM...</p><p>I blame Microsoft... they've set computing back at least a decade...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>folders ?
pah ! ... I seem to recall having the luxury of folders and files when running GEM 2 on my old Amstrad PC1512 with just 512 Kbytes of RAM...I blame Microsoft... they 've set computing back at least a decade.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>folders?
pah!... I seem to recall having the luxury of folders and files when running GEM 2 on my old Amstrad PC1512 with just 512 Kbytes of RAM...I blame Microsoft... they've set computing back at least a decade...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887432</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>Pastis</author>
	<datestamp>1264412640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktops</p><p>with the mouse, it works the same as on Windows: click the folder + CTRL+SHIFT drag it on the desktop. Rename it if you need later on.</p><p>Or right click, Make link, move/rename it.</p><p>Contextual menu is there to help, in most case.</p><p>&gt; Setting up a place for common desktop items, equivalent to Windows "all users", was a bear.</p><p>There doesn't seem to be a GUI for it.</p><p><a href="http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-2.html.en" title="gnome.org">http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-2.html.en</a> [gnome.org]</p><p>I personally don't have the need for it. On my setups the programs I install all have their<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.desktop with them. I.e. the package of the program comes with the menu.</p><p>What are you trying to achieve exactly ? which programs are missing in your menus ?</p><p>Maybe you're trying to do something that comes from your Windows experience, and thus should be doing in a different way on a Linux system ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktopswith the mouse , it works the same as on Windows : click the folder + CTRL + SHIFT drag it on the desktop .
Rename it if you need later on.Or right click , Make link , move/rename it.Contextual menu is there to help , in most case. &gt; Setting up a place for common desktop items , equivalent to Windows " all users " , was a bear.There does n't seem to be a GUI for it.http : //library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-2.html.en [ gnome.org ] I personally do n't have the need for it .
On my setups the programs I install all have their .desktop with them .
I.e. the package of the program comes with the menu.What are you trying to achieve exactly ?
which programs are missing in your menus ? Maybe you 're trying to do something that comes from your Windows experience , and thus should be doing in a different way on a Linux system ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktopswith the mouse, it works the same as on Windows: click the folder + CTRL+SHIFT drag it on the desktop.
Rename it if you need later on.Or right click, Make link, move/rename it.Contextual menu is there to help, in most case.&gt; Setting up a place for common desktop items, equivalent to Windows "all users", was a bear.There doesn't seem to be a GUI for it.http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-2.html.en [gnome.org]I personally don't have the need for it.
On my setups the programs I install all have their .desktop with them.
I.e. the package of the program comes with the menu.What are you trying to achieve exactly ?
which programs are missing in your menus ?Maybe you're trying to do something that comes from your Windows experience, and thus should be doing in a different way on a Linux system ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887632</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264415760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Standard slashdot bias and hype. FUD FUD FUD</p></div></blockquote><p>You're blaming slashdot for that statement? It was taken directly from the article on CIO magazines website.</p><p>Sounds like you've got your own set of biases going on.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Standard slashdot bias and hype .
FUD FUD FUDYou 're blaming slashdot for that statement ?
It was taken directly from the article on CIO magazines website.Sounds like you 've got your own set of biases going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Standard slashdot bias and hype.
FUD FUD FUDYou're blaming slashdot for that statement?
It was taken directly from the article on CIO magazines website.Sounds like you've got your own set of biases going on.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30897600</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>PsychoSlashDot</author>
	<datestamp>1264421880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Troll?  Really?  Because I'm not sold on open-source/free software being the best choice in schools or because I think there's no implicit relationship between rack space specs and software vendors?</p><p>I only post when I'm shooting for +5 Insightful, so I have to say I'm baffled on this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Troll ?
Really ? Because I 'm not sold on open-source/free software being the best choice in schools or because I think there 's no implicit relationship between rack space specs and software vendors ? I only post when I 'm shooting for + 5 Insightful , so I have to say I 'm baffled on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Troll?
Really?  Because I'm not sold on open-source/free software being the best choice in schools or because I think there's no implicit relationship between rack space specs and software vendors?I only post when I'm shooting for +5 Insightful, so I have to say I'm baffled on this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888362</id>
	<title>Re:FTA</title>
	<author>sensationull</author>
	<datestamp>1264424640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It does not help that TFA is wrong, only schools that sign up are included and paid for by the government.  If this retard signed up then went linux it is not the governments fault.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does not help that TFA is wrong , only schools that sign up are included and paid for by the government .
If this retard signed up then went linux it is not the governments fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does not help that TFA is wrong, only schools that sign up are included and paid for by the government.
If this retard signed up then went linux it is not the governments fault.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886918</id>
	<title>Not There Yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264450260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just installed Ubuntu on my kid's computer, and I must say it still has relatively poor UI design. It's still a geek toy half-ass trying to be "user-friendly". Common things are not made easy and intuitive. I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktops, for example, and once set up could not change the paths without starting over. Setting up a place for common desktop items, equivalent to Windows "all users", was a bear.</p><p>It needs some real hands-on user-in-action observations rather than features that geeks THINK users want. Geeks know technology, but they don't know users. I was generally disappointed. Sure, Windows sometimes has stupid conventions also, but in order <b>to unseat Windows you have be better</b>, not a mere peer in annoyingness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just installed Ubuntu on my kid 's computer , and I must say it still has relatively poor UI design .
It 's still a geek toy half-ass trying to be " user-friendly " .
Common things are not made easy and intuitive .
I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktops , for example , and once set up could not change the paths without starting over .
Setting up a place for common desktop items , equivalent to Windows " all users " , was a bear.It needs some real hands-on user-in-action observations rather than features that geeks THINK users want .
Geeks know technology , but they do n't know users .
I was generally disappointed .
Sure , Windows sometimes has stupid conventions also , but in order to unseat Windows you have be better , not a mere peer in annoyingness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just installed Ubuntu on my kid's computer, and I must say it still has relatively poor UI design.
It's still a geek toy half-ass trying to be "user-friendly".
Common things are not made easy and intuitive.
I had to type text paths to set up folder shortcuts on the desktops, for example, and once set up could not change the paths without starting over.
Setting up a place for common desktop items, equivalent to Windows "all users", was a bear.It needs some real hands-on user-in-action observations rather than features that geeks THINK users want.
Geeks know technology, but they don't know users.
I was generally disappointed.
Sure, Windows sometimes has stupid conventions also, but in order to unseat Windows you have be better, not a mere peer in annoyingness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30893418</id>
	<title>The Deputy Principal's blog</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264447320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://theopensourceschool.blogspot.com/</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30890254</id>
	<title>Re:Not a matter of cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264435920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP, they can just use netcat, and then later maybe wireshark.<br>Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.</p></div><p>All of which work perfectly fine on Windows. The OS people actually use.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP , they can just use netcat , and then later maybe wireshark.Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.All of which work perfectly fine on Windows .
The OS people actually use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example if they want to learn about TCP/IP, they can just use netcat, and then later maybe wireshark.Others might learn about programming by using shell scripts.All of which work perfectly fine on Windows.
The OS people actually use.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887258</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yay! By that logic most people would fail in the real world of business.<br>You know when I went to school, we had a real world business system from Microsoft. We had Microsoft Works for Xenix and Microsoft Works for DOS. State of the art systems as Microsoft surely called them back then.</p><p>It's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in the next version, often by the time the teacher actually gets ot teach what he has learnt.</p><p>What does matter is teaching what those programs are about. What is a word processor? What are the typical features of such a piece of software? It doesn't matter if you teach that with Microsoft Word 95 or Open Office, in fact Open Office has the advantage of being available to the children.</p><p>No matter what software product you will use as an example, by the time the children start working, it will be long obsolete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yay !
By that logic most people would fail in the real world of business.You know when I went to school , we had a real world business system from Microsoft .
We had Microsoft Works for Xenix and Microsoft Works for DOS .
State of the art systems as Microsoft surely called them back then.It 's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in the next version , often by the time the teacher actually gets ot teach what he has learnt.What does matter is teaching what those programs are about .
What is a word processor ?
What are the typical features of such a piece of software ?
It does n't matter if you teach that with Microsoft Word 95 or Open Office , in fact Open Office has the advantage of being available to the children.No matter what software product you will use as an example , by the time the children start working , it will be long obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yay!
By that logic most people would fail in the real world of business.You know when I went to school, we had a real world business system from Microsoft.
We had Microsoft Works for Xenix and Microsoft Works for DOS.
State of the art systems as Microsoft surely called them back then.It's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in the next version, often by the time the teacher actually gets ot teach what he has learnt.What does matter is teaching what those programs are about.
What is a word processor?
What are the typical features of such a piece of software?
It doesn't matter if you teach that with Microsoft Word 95 or Open Office, in fact Open Office has the advantage of being available to the children.No matter what software product you will use as an example, by the time the children start working, it will be long obsolete.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887052</id>
	<title>"Going Google"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264451940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait for Google to start playing this game. They <a href="http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/gogoogle.html" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">already</a> [google.com] promote Google Apps to Businesses and Schools, it's only about time it becomes part of a nationwide IT policy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait for Google to start playing this game .
They already [ google.com ] promote Google Apps to Businesses and Schools , it 's only about time it becomes part of a nationwide IT policy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait for Google to start playing this game.
They already [google.com] promote Google Apps to Businesses and Schools, it's only about time it becomes part of a nationwide IT policy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889048</id>
	<title>Space between servers in rack = bad practice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264430760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Servers have not had top vents for years. The vent in the front &amp; out the back. The expectation is that there is a cold isle in the front, and either a hot isle in the back, or that the hot air is vented out the top from the back to some sort of return.</p><p>The hardware team set up some of my server racks with space between the servers &amp; PDU's racked in the back: When one of the three AC units died, we found that the servers at the bottom were venting into the back, then up to one of the PDU's - where the air was then circulating through a gap to the front &amp; into the top two servers.  Unsuprisingly, they melted.  If we did not have 195\% capacity on that VMware cluster, they would have taken 20 virtualized machines with them.</p><p>Servers should be racked together: Starting from the bottom, in the correct U's &amp; should fit flush. Has anyone even seen an odd sized server from a major vendor in years?</p><p>DO NOT RACK WITH SPACES.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Servers have not had top vents for years .
The vent in the front &amp; out the back .
The expectation is that there is a cold isle in the front , and either a hot isle in the back , or that the hot air is vented out the top from the back to some sort of return.The hardware team set up some of my server racks with space between the servers &amp; PDU 's racked in the back : When one of the three AC units died , we found that the servers at the bottom were venting into the back , then up to one of the PDU 's - where the air was then circulating through a gap to the front &amp; into the top two servers .
Unsuprisingly , they melted .
If we did not have 195 \ % capacity on that VMware cluster , they would have taken 20 virtualized machines with them.Servers should be racked together : Starting from the bottom , in the correct U 's &amp; should fit flush .
Has anyone even seen an odd sized server from a major vendor in years ? DO NOT RACK WITH SPACES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Servers have not had top vents for years.
The vent in the front &amp; out the back.
The expectation is that there is a cold isle in the front, and either a hot isle in the back, or that the hot air is vented out the top from the back to some sort of return.The hardware team set up some of my server racks with space between the servers &amp; PDU's racked in the back: When one of the three AC units died, we found that the servers at the bottom were venting into the back, then up to one of the PDU's - where the air was then circulating through a gap to the front &amp; into the top two servers.
Unsuprisingly, they melted.
If we did not have 195\% capacity on that VMware cluster, they would have taken 20 virtualized machines with them.Servers should be racked together: Starting from the bottom, in the correct U's &amp; should fit flush.
Has anyone even seen an odd sized server from a major vendor in years?DO NOT RACK WITH SPACES.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886948</id>
	<title>Re:FTA</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1264450620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Demonstrably corrupt.</p></div><p>Not really.  It's a volume license agreement for schools, etc. I don't see how "not-necessarily smart decision" == corruption, unless you know something we don't?  And it could be a good business decision if the majority of the schools use Windows, etc - the volume discounts can be significant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Demonstrably corrupt.Not really .
It 's a volume license agreement for schools , etc .
I do n't see how " not-necessarily smart decision " = = corruption , unless you know something we do n't ?
And it could be a good business decision if the majority of the schools use Windows , etc - the volume discounts can be significant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Demonstrably corrupt.Not really.
It's a volume license agreement for schools, etc.
I don't see how "not-necessarily smart decision" == corruption, unless you know something we don't?
And it could be a good business decision if the majority of the schools use Windows, etc - the volume discounts can be significant.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888568</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>quetwo</author>
	<datestamp>1264426860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure this server room won't hold things like : Routers/Switches, Patch Panels, Telco Equipment, Firewalls, HVAC, Emergency Annunicators, Video equipment, etc.  Plus, there should never be any room for growth in a building that is scoped to last at least 50 years.</p><p>Come-on guys.  let's do that common sence thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure this server room wo n't hold things like : Routers/Switches , Patch Panels , Telco Equipment , Firewalls , HVAC , Emergency Annunicators , Video equipment , etc .
Plus , there should never be any room for growth in a building that is scoped to last at least 50 years.Come-on guys .
let 's do that common sence thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure this server room won't hold things like : Routers/Switches, Patch Panels, Telco Equipment, Firewalls, HVAC, Emergency Annunicators, Video equipment, etc.
Plus, there should never be any room for growth in a building that is scoped to last at least 50 years.Come-on guys.
let's do that common sence thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886738</id>
	<title>Mandelbulb porn sighted!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264362240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IT Administrator who saved millions in licensing fees involved in scandal!  Students used open source operating system to compile and publish their own unauthorized applications, which were of course sophomoric in character.  Students were permitted to render mathematical constructs wihout let. Mandelbulb porn sighted!
</p><p>The new administrator has promised to nip this in the bud: "Students will invent things within in the scope of propriety with the help of the new Microsoft systems that limit the scope of their endeavors."  Further: "We'll have no more of this open scope nonsense.  Our job is to teach them what to think, not to think" he said. "We'll have no more of this exploring the crevices of obscure mathematical constructs.  It's obscene."
</p><p>When asked, Timmy Blake responded "it's just a standard torus warped by budget figures.  I didn't mean for it to look like a vagina. This is serious science."
</p><p>Said IT Director Clemmons, "I didn't think it would be controversial to let the kids learn about the bare truth.  My bad."
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The tight time frame -- two weeks for evaluation, one week for design and two weeks for implementation -- didn't create too much disruption, Brennan said. "Although everything wasn't as polished as it could have been, when the school opened all of the core functionality was there. And it's been running for a year with no significant intervention. It hasn't really been touched in any fundamental way since then."</p> </div><p>Clearly these are minds that have been warped by the freetards to measure things like Return On Investment and Time To Recover Investment in the scope of free software.  It's not fair to measure commercial software in that context.
</p><p>/ Reading the whole article is recommended.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IT Administrator who saved millions in licensing fees involved in scandal !
Students used open source operating system to compile and publish their own unauthorized applications , which were of course sophomoric in character .
Students were permitted to render mathematical constructs wihout let .
Mandelbulb porn sighted !
The new administrator has promised to nip this in the bud : " Students will invent things within in the scope of propriety with the help of the new Microsoft systems that limit the scope of their endeavors .
" Further : " We 'll have no more of this open scope nonsense .
Our job is to teach them what to think , not to think " he said .
" We 'll have no more of this exploring the crevices of obscure mathematical constructs .
It 's obscene .
" When asked , Timmy Blake responded " it 's just a standard torus warped by budget figures .
I did n't mean for it to look like a vagina .
This is serious science .
" Said IT Director Clemmons , " I did n't think it would be controversial to let the kids learn about the bare truth .
My bad .
" The tight time frame -- two weeks for evaluation , one week for design and two weeks for implementation -- did n't create too much disruption , Brennan said .
" Although everything was n't as polished as it could have been , when the school opened all of the core functionality was there .
And it 's been running for a year with no significant intervention .
It has n't really been touched in any fundamental way since then .
" Clearly these are minds that have been warped by the freetards to measure things like Return On Investment and Time To Recover Investment in the scope of free software .
It 's not fair to measure commercial software in that context .
/ Reading the whole article is recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IT Administrator who saved millions in licensing fees involved in scandal!
Students used open source operating system to compile and publish their own unauthorized applications, which were of course sophomoric in character.
Students were permitted to render mathematical constructs wihout let.
Mandelbulb porn sighted!
The new administrator has promised to nip this in the bud: "Students will invent things within in the scope of propriety with the help of the new Microsoft systems that limit the scope of their endeavors.
"  Further: "We'll have no more of this open scope nonsense.
Our job is to teach them what to think, not to think" he said.
"We'll have no more of this exploring the crevices of obscure mathematical constructs.
It's obscene.
"
When asked, Timmy Blake responded "it's just a standard torus warped by budget figures.
I didn't mean for it to look like a vagina.
This is serious science.
"
Said IT Director Clemmons, "I didn't think it would be controversial to let the kids learn about the bare truth.
My bad.
"
The tight time frame -- two weeks for evaluation, one week for design and two weeks for implementation -- didn't create too much disruption, Brennan said.
"Although everything wasn't as polished as it could have been, when the school opened all of the core functionality was there.
And it's been running for a year with no significant intervention.
It hasn't really been touched in any fundamental way since then.
" Clearly these are minds that have been warped by the freetards to measure things like Return On Investment and Time To Recover Investment in the scope of free software.
It's not fair to measure commercial software in that context.
/ Reading the whole article is recommended.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30895946</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264414800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in [future] version</p></div></blockquote><p>That's definitely true for younger students, but also consider that many students have to switch back and forth between a school PC and a home PC. If they are different OS's and their parents can't help them navigate the differences, they may be at a disadvantage.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in [ future ] versionThat 's definitely true for younger students , but also consider that many students have to switch back and forth between a school PC and a home PC .
If they are different OS 's and their parents ca n't help them navigate the differences , they may be at a disadvantage .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's no use teaching children about feature 5432 of version 54.22.154.12.b of some software product as it will disappear or be made obsolete by some other function in [future] versionThat's definitely true for younger students, but also consider that many students have to switch back and forth between a school PC and a home PC.
If they are different OS's and their parents can't help them navigate the differences, they may be at a disadvantage.
   
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30891362</id>
	<title>Re:Windows has some \_really\_ big no-nos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264439640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should we really be telling the average user to install software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should we really be telling the average user to install software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should we really be telling the average user to install software?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887094</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1264452300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers</p></div></blockquote><p>Ah, you've never used NT.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school only has 230 students .
I have a hard time believing they 'd need 192 serversAh , you 've never used NT .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school only has 230 students.
I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 serversAh, you've never used NT.
:)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30893122</id>
	<title>Re:Windows has some \_really\_ big no-nos</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264446120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware? This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems.</p></div></blockquote><p>That's a problem in general, not just for non-geeks. Yes, research on the web about a company helps, but is no guarantee. It's possible and not uncommon to spoof legitimacy by planting shill commentary and corporate-looking websites.</p><p>Having a tighter "sandbox" on the OS can limit damage, but if a piece of software requests special access in order to "do it's job", then the question still exists: How do you distinguish real from liar-ware.</p><p>It's only partially a technical issue. Trust and social relations will always be a part of it, for we cannot reverse engineer every piece of software we install.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware ?
This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems.That 's a problem in general , not just for non-geeks .
Yes , research on the web about a company helps , but is no guarantee .
It 's possible and not uncommon to spoof legitimacy by planting shill commentary and corporate-looking websites.Having a tighter " sandbox " on the OS can limit damage , but if a piece of software requests special access in order to " do it 's job " , then the question still exists : How do you distinguish real from liar-ware.It 's only partially a technical issue .
Trust and social relations will always be a part of it , for we can not reverse engineer every piece of software we install .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>How on earth can a non-geek ever find out if a software package he downloads is legit or a piece of malware?
This is probably the single biggest worry about amateurs using windows systems.That's a problem in general, not just for non-geeks.
Yes, research on the web about a company helps, but is no guarantee.
It's possible and not uncommon to spoof legitimacy by planting shill commentary and corporate-looking websites.Having a tighter "sandbox" on the OS can limit damage, but if a piece of software requests special access in order to "do it's job", then the question still exists: How do you distinguish real from liar-ware.It's only partially a technical issue.
Trust and social relations will always be a part of it, for we cannot reverse engineer every piece of software we install.
     
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887074</id>
	<title>Re:FTA</title>
	<author>Nightspirit</author>
	<datestamp>1264452180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes more sense to me to blanket license a country than negotiate licenses for individual schools. While some schools may not use MS software, the country probably still saves money in the long run compared to negotiating for each school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes more sense to me to blanket license a country than negotiate licenses for individual schools .
While some schools may not use MS software , the country probably still saves money in the long run compared to negotiating for each school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes more sense to me to blanket license a country than negotiate licenses for individual schools.
While some schools may not use MS software, the country probably still saves money in the long run compared to negotiating for each school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887420</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1264412520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, your kid has probably figured it all out by now. You can go back to Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , your kid has probably figured it all out by now .
You can go back to Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, your kid has probably figured it all out by now.
You can go back to Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889500</id>
	<title>Re:Not a matter of cost</title>
	<author>BlackHawk-666</author>
	<datestamp>1264433040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about if they just want to fire up their PC and get their work done? I've always found open source needs more "coercion" to get the work done. In terms of UI, usability some packages are so obscure that even I can't seem to work out how to get them to do what I want - and I've been around since pre-DOS.</p><p>Maybe the kids don't give a crap about learning all these command line tools and switches. Maybe they just want to xfer their latest video from their phone to Youtube, synced to whatever music they're listening to now.</p><p>May as well only learn how to use a browser, it's the only tech that's likely to stay with us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about if they just want to fire up their PC and get their work done ?
I 've always found open source needs more " coercion " to get the work done .
In terms of UI , usability some packages are so obscure that even I ca n't seem to work out how to get them to do what I want - and I 've been around since pre-DOS.Maybe the kids do n't give a crap about learning all these command line tools and switches .
Maybe they just want to xfer their latest video from their phone to Youtube , synced to whatever music they 're listening to now.May as well only learn how to use a browser , it 's the only tech that 's likely to stay with us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about if they just want to fire up their PC and get their work done?
I've always found open source needs more "coercion" to get the work done.
In terms of UI, usability some packages are so obscure that even I can't seem to work out how to get them to do what I want - and I've been around since pre-DOS.Maybe the kids don't give a crap about learning all these command line tools and switches.
Maybe they just want to xfer their latest video from their phone to Youtube, synced to whatever music they're listening to now.May as well only learn how to use a browser, it's the only tech that's likely to stay with us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886820</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264362900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software. There is a collective agreement (one of many agreements, including one with Apple), and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.</p><p>Standard slashdot bias and hype. FUD FUD FUD</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software .
There is a collective agreement ( one of many agreements , including one with Apple ) , and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.Standard slashdot bias and hype .
FUD FUD FUD</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software.
There is a collective agreement (one of many agreements, including one with Apple), and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.Standard slashdot bias and hype.
FUD FUD FUD</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30891766</id>
	<title>Re:Windows validation..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264440900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  It would be nice to have access to a complete list of possible files which are part of<br>the MS OS, their versions/dates and cryptographic checksums.  This would make checking<br>if a system was infected (and fixing it) simple.  No guessing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
It would be nice to have access to a complete list of possible files which are part ofthe MS OS , their versions/dates and cryptographic checksums .
This would make checkingif a system was infected ( and fixing it ) simple .
No guessing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
It would be nice to have access to a complete list of possible files which are part ofthe MS OS, their versions/dates and cryptographic checksums.
This would make checkingif a system was infected (and fixing it) simple.
No guessing...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887050</id>
	<title>Hnnngh....</title>
	<author>lewko</author>
	<datestamp>1264451940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once Were Warriors.</p><p>Now are geeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once Were Warriors.Now are geeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once Were Warriors.Now are geeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30896044</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet (correction)</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264415220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Correction: I meant "kids' computer" (plural). That's why I want shared/common desktop icons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Correction : I meant " kids ' computer " ( plural ) .
That 's why I want shared/common desktop icons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correction: I meant "kids' computer" (plural).
That's why I want shared/common desktop icons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886834</id>
	<title>192 Server Capacity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264363020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, 4 racks * 48 servers/rack = 192 servers at new location.<br>They say they are getting by (right now) with only 4.</p><p>Is is because they just over built the location, or are they expecting to do something which needs more power on the back end?</p><p>Ah, just hit me while typing.  Server Capacity might be better read as rack units available. 42U is about a 7 foot rack.<br>So maybe the someone assumed 1U servers (42/rack capacity) when it might end up being multi-unit NAS boxes or something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , 4 racks * 48 servers/rack = 192 servers at new location.They say they are getting by ( right now ) with only 4.Is is because they just over built the location , or are they expecting to do something which needs more power on the back end ? Ah , just hit me while typing .
Server Capacity might be better read as rack units available .
42U is about a 7 foot rack.So maybe the someone assumed 1U servers ( 42/rack capacity ) when it might end up being multi-unit NAS boxes or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, 4 racks * 48 servers/rack = 192 servers at new location.They say they are getting by (right now) with only 4.Is is because they just over built the location, or are they expecting to do something which needs more power on the back end?Ah, just hit me while typing.
Server Capacity might be better read as rack units available.
42U is about a 7 foot rack.So maybe the someone assumed 1U servers (42/rack capacity) when it might end up being multi-unit NAS boxes or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888454</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1264425600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sounds like they used the services of a MSCE to calculate the space requirements. Its probably a AD setup using multiple computers for redundancy and availability, each serving exactly one part of the AD stack of services (so one do not loose the whole thing when a single box goes down). And then left enough room for in place upgrades or future requirements, racks are cheap after all.</p><p>its basically a case of using hardware to make up for limitations in software (plus indirectly maximizing the licenses sold).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sounds like they used the services of a MSCE to calculate the space requirements .
Its probably a AD setup using multiple computers for redundancy and availability , each serving exactly one part of the AD stack of services ( so one do not loose the whole thing when a single box goes down ) .
And then left enough room for in place upgrades or future requirements , racks are cheap after all.its basically a case of using hardware to make up for limitations in software ( plus indirectly maximizing the licenses sold ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sounds like they used the services of a MSCE to calculate the space requirements.
Its probably a AD setup using multiple computers for redundancy and availability, each serving exactly one part of the AD stack of services (so one do not loose the whole thing when a single box goes down).
And then left enough room for in place upgrades or future requirements, racks are cheap after all.its basically a case of using hardware to make up for limitations in software (plus indirectly maximizing the licenses sold).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30893118</id>
	<title>Ugh.</title>
	<author>mikkelm</author>
	<datestamp>1264446060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>".. based on standard New Zealand school requirements, including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems. The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements."</p><p>It suggests nothing of the sort. That's an intensely dishonest statement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" .. based on standard New Zealand school requirements , including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems .
The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers , suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements .
" It suggests nothing of the sort .
That 's an intensely dishonest statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>".. based on standard New Zealand school requirements, including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems.
The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements.
"It suggests nothing of the sort.
That's an intensely dishonest statement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30890956</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>jc79</author>
	<datestamp>1264438380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.</p></div><p>Like, open the word processor, type the document, click save, click print? Even if I'd never used Microsoft products before in my life, I'm pretty sure I could figure that out in 5 minutes.</p><p>Kids shouldn't be rote-learning a particular GUI (which will probably change - Ribbon Interface, anyone?); they should be able to generalise.</p><p>What happens if a kid only uses MS at school and home and then gets a job in an office where only Macs are used?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.Like , open the word processor , type the document , click save , click print ?
Even if I 'd never used Microsoft products before in my life , I 'm pretty sure I could figure that out in 5 minutes.Kids should n't be rote-learning a particular GUI ( which will probably change - Ribbon Interface , anyone ?
) ; they should be able to generalise.What happens if a kid only uses MS at school and home and then gets a job in an office where only Macs are used ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.Like, open the word processor, type the document, click save, click print?
Even if I'd never used Microsoft products before in my life, I'm pretty sure I could figure that out in 5 minutes.Kids shouldn't be rote-learning a particular GUI (which will probably change - Ribbon Interface, anyone?
); they should be able to generalise.What happens if a kid only uses MS at school and home and then gets a job in an office where only Macs are used?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887124</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264452720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.</p><p>you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense. bravo.</p></div><p>Now the students have a more clear image of the world of software, most likely their parents use MS products at home and they face the challenge of interchanging formats between software platforms. If they move on to higher education, they come better prepared, for universities and research institutes haven't bothered much with Microsoft products for years.</p><p>(sarcasm) But by all means, let one company deal with everything and decide what formats we're supposed to use and what you can do with it.(/sarcasm).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense .
bravo.Now the students have a more clear image of the world of software , most likely their parents use MS products at home and they face the challenge of interchanging formats between software platforms .
If they move on to higher education , they come better prepared , for universities and research institutes have n't bothered much with Microsoft products for years .
( sarcasm ) But by all means , let one company deal with everything and decide what formats we 're supposed to use and what you can do with it .
( /sarcasm ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense.
bravo.Now the students have a more clear image of the world of software, most likely their parents use MS products at home and they face the challenge of interchanging formats between software platforms.
If they move on to higher education, they come better prepared, for universities and research institutes haven't bothered much with Microsoft products for years.
(sarcasm) But by all means, let one company deal with everything and decide what formats we're supposed to use and what you can do with it.
(/sarcasm).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887358</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1264412040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school only has 230 students.</p></div><p>Thats a pretty average school by southern hemisphere standards. My sons primary school in Australia has 100 students. A big secondary school might have 500 or so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school only has 230 students.Thats a pretty average school by southern hemisphere standards .
My sons primary school in Australia has 100 students .
A big secondary school might have 500 or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school only has 230 students.Thats a pretty average school by southern hemisphere standards.
My sons primary school in Australia has 100 students.
A big secondary school might have 500 or so.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30892434</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1264443180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;The majority of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers are now young republicans (sorry, libertarians)in their first year of college, studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript. They've also just discovered ayn raynynnd.</p><p>That explains a lot.  The recent influx of "OMG RON PAUL CAN FIX EVERYTHING" and naive views now makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The majority of /.ers are now young republicans ( sorry , libertarians ) in their first year of college , studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript .
They 've also just discovered ayn raynynnd.That explains a lot .
The recent influx of " OMG RON PAUL CAN FIX EVERYTHING " and naive views now makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;The majority of /.ers are now young republicans (sorry, libertarians)in their first year of college, studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript.
They've also just discovered ayn raynynnd.That explains a lot.
The recent influx of "OMG RON PAUL CAN FIX EVERYTHING" and naive views now makes sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887138</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>cr\_nucleus</author>
	<datestamp>1264452840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>As stated in other replies, you can right click to create a link, but you can also press shift+ctrl while dragging and the drop action will be to create a link.

This kind of behavior modifier is standard in windows, osx &amp; linux.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As stated in other replies , you can right click to create a link , but you can also press shift + ctrl while dragging and the drop action will be to create a link .
This kind of behavior modifier is standard in windows , osx &amp; linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As stated in other replies, you can right click to create a link, but you can also press shift+ctrl while dragging and the drop action will be to create a link.
This kind of behavior modifier is standard in windows, osx &amp; linux.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887652</id>
	<title>Re:Windows has some \_really\_ big no-nos</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1264416060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what a load of crap. there's nothing preventing you violating a license on linux either. wine anyone?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>what a load of crap .
there 's nothing preventing you violating a license on linux either .
wine anyone ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what a load of crap.
there's nothing preventing you violating a license on linux either.
wine anyone?
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887150</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>obarthelemy</author>
	<datestamp>1264452960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that bad. For what most people do, Windows and Linux, OOo and MS Office... work pretty much the same.</p><p>What has MS worried, and why they want ot make their stuff essentially free for schools (or , as in NZ, a once-off national license, implying no marginal costs when a school chooses Windows and Office), is that all students for that school will know about Linux.</p><p>Hopefully, Linux will be good enough so that the students will be satisfied with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that bad .
For what most people do , Windows and Linux , OOo and MS Office... work pretty much the same.What has MS worried , and why they want ot make their stuff essentially free for schools ( or , as in NZ , a once-off national license , implying no marginal costs when a school chooses Windows and Office ) , is that all students for that school will know about Linux.Hopefully , Linux will be good enough so that the students will be satisfied with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that bad.
For what most people do, Windows and Linux, OOo and MS Office... work pretty much the same.What has MS worried, and why they want ot make their stuff essentially free for schools (or , as in NZ, a once-off national license, implying no marginal costs when a school chooses Windows and Office), is that all students for that school will know about Linux.Hopefully, Linux will be good enough so that the students will be satisfied with it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889574</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264433340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, an AC got modded to +5 with a bullshit argument and no proof - and it's claimed that Slashdot<br>has a Linux bias? That hasn't been true for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , an AC got modded to + 5 with a bullshit argument and no proof - and it 's claimed that Slashdothas a Linux bias ?
That has n't been true for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, an AC got modded to +5 with a bullshit argument and no proof - and it's claimed that Slashdothas a Linux bias?
That hasn't been true for years.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Fifty fold savings in servers?  Awful writing.</title>
	<author>rdunnell</author>
	<datestamp>1264450320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the article basically says that they have a machine room with four somewhat standard racks.  That's pretty small.  Figure that at some point you'll need some network gear which will likely take up at least one of the racks (switches, patch panels to other areas of the building, routers/firewalls), hopefully some UPS gear, a few servers.. four 48U racks doesn't go very far.  And it only makes sense nowadays to have a couple larger servers hosting a bunch of virtual machines for mundane things.  They would be wise to do that no matter what OS they run, and that more than anything is why you can cut down on the number of physical machines that are installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the article basically says that they have a machine room with four somewhat standard racks .
That 's pretty small .
Figure that at some point you 'll need some network gear which will likely take up at least one of the racks ( switches , patch panels to other areas of the building , routers/firewalls ) , hopefully some UPS gear , a few servers.. four 48U racks does n't go very far .
And it only makes sense nowadays to have a couple larger servers hosting a bunch of virtual machines for mundane things .
They would be wise to do that no matter what OS they run , and that more than anything is why you can cut down on the number of physical machines that are installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the article basically says that they have a machine room with four somewhat standard racks.
That's pretty small.
Figure that at some point you'll need some network gear which will likely take up at least one of the racks (switches, patch panels to other areas of the building, routers/firewalls), hopefully some UPS gear, a few servers.. four 48U racks doesn't go very far.
And it only makes sense nowadays to have a couple larger servers hosting a bunch of virtual machines for mundane things.
They would be wise to do that no matter what OS they run, and that more than anything is why you can cut down on the number of physical machines that are installed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886852</id>
	<title>FTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264449600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>a long-standing contract with the national government means the software giant is paid for technology for the school even though none has been used.</p></div></blockquote><p>  Well isn't that lovely.  Demonstrably corrupt.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>a long-standing contract with the national government means the software giant is paid for technology for the school even though none has been used .
Well is n't that lovely .
Demonstrably corrupt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a long-standing contract with the national government means the software giant is paid for technology for the school even though none has been used.
Well isn't that lovely.
Demonstrably corrupt.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888188</id>
	<title>Re:FTA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264422600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I don't see how "not-necessarily smart decision" == corruption, unless you know something we don't?</p><p>The guy is just incompetent, his superior is either also incompetent or corrupt. This goes up all the way until the prime-minister (or President, ultimately). If they are incompetent, too, you have a case of a corrupted election process.</p><p>Corrupt don't always mean just stealing, but also diverting a process from its proper goals, like e.g. putting a moron with the brain of a small plant to "control" a powerful nation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I do n't see how " not-necessarily smart decision " = = corruption , unless you know something we do n't ? The guy is just incompetent , his superior is either also incompetent or corrupt .
This goes up all the way until the prime-minister ( or President , ultimately ) .
If they are incompetent , too , you have a case of a corrupted election process.Corrupt do n't always mean just stealing , but also diverting a process from its proper goals , like e.g .
putting a moron with the brain of a small plant to " control " a powerful nation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I don't see how "not-necessarily smart decision" == corruption, unless you know something we don't?The guy is just incompetent, his superior is either also incompetent or corrupt.
This goes up all the way until the prime-minister (or President, ultimately).
If they are incompetent, too, you have a case of a corrupted election process.Corrupt don't always mean just stealing, but also diverting a process from its proper goals, like e.g.
putting a moron with the brain of a small plant to "control" a powerful nation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30958306</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264776300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disregarding the whole stupidity of the "four racks" for a 250-student school (hell, I'm working for an IT company similarly sized and even with development/staging environments and multiple different environments for testing -different Windows and Linux versions and distributions, on top of structural IT we only need three racks -and that's because of older bigger equipment!), let's see what's about your claims:</p><p>"How many sru's does a ups take?"</p><p>0.  If only because the heat, you have it outside the server room (anyway, for four servers it would take one to four Us -and given it's not critical systems and only on a 8-5 usage, they'd probably could afford going without SAI at all).</p><p>"Switch? At least 1 each."</p><p>A typical 42 ports managed switch will cost about the same than a typical x86 server, so it makes no difference.  And if you are talking about the typical "expensive" rack usually found in shorter server rooms, probably the switch will be vertically positioned on the side of the rack taking away 0 srus.</p><p>"How many 1sru patch pannels do they have?"</p><p>Maybe you have a point here; let's see.  You can have 42 ports per patch pannel unit, that makes one per rack (two if you use an start-end approach).  That makes eight at most.  If you count you racks being 40U instead of 42U to make your calcs easier, just a rounding error.  Humm... no: you didn't have a point, after all.</p><p>"San/nas? Voip phone system?"</p><p>Are you implying they are going to be cheaper per-unit that "plain servers"?  Because here we're are talking about full hardware costs.  And then, have you stopped to thing that maybe when they say "four servers" they mean "four server and that's all"? (after all you don't need neither a big SAI, nor expensive SAN, nor patch pannels, nor a lot of switches when you manage to be served by just four computers, don't you?).</p><p>"In a good network setup it's easy to use up 4 racks."</p><p>Yes, it's easy for a 250 people company (or school) to use 4 racks... when the one signing the bills is a moron with a big wallet.</p><p>"Does anyone on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. Work in networking any more?"</p><p>Yes.  Maybe that explains why you look like a stupid teenager to the people over here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disregarding the whole stupidity of the " four racks " for a 250-student school ( hell , I 'm working for an IT company similarly sized and even with development/staging environments and multiple different environments for testing -different Windows and Linux versions and distributions , on top of structural IT we only need three racks -and that 's because of older bigger equipment !
) , let 's see what 's about your claims : " How many sru 's does a ups take ? " 0 .
If only because the heat , you have it outside the server room ( anyway , for four servers it would take one to four Us -and given it 's not critical systems and only on a 8-5 usage , they 'd probably could afford going without SAI at all ) . " Switch ?
At least 1 each .
" A typical 42 ports managed switch will cost about the same than a typical x86 server , so it makes no difference .
And if you are talking about the typical " expensive " rack usually found in shorter server rooms , probably the switch will be vertically positioned on the side of the rack taking away 0 srus .
" How many 1sru patch pannels do they have ?
" Maybe you have a point here ; let 's see .
You can have 42 ports per patch pannel unit , that makes one per rack ( two if you use an start-end approach ) .
That makes eight at most .
If you count you racks being 40U instead of 42U to make your calcs easier , just a rounding error .
Humm... no : you did n't have a point , after all. " San/nas ?
Voip phone system ?
" Are you implying they are going to be cheaper per-unit that " plain servers " ?
Because here we 're are talking about full hardware costs .
And then , have you stopped to thing that maybe when they say " four servers " they mean " four server and that 's all " ?
( after all you do n't need neither a big SAI , nor expensive SAN , nor patch pannels , nor a lot of switches when you manage to be served by just four computers , do n't you ? ) .
" In a good network setup it 's easy to use up 4 racks .
" Yes , it 's easy for a 250 people company ( or school ) to use 4 racks... when the one signing the bills is a moron with a big wallet .
" Does anyone on / .
Work in networking any more ? " Yes .
Maybe that explains why you look like a stupid teenager to the people over here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disregarding the whole stupidity of the "four racks" for a 250-student school (hell, I'm working for an IT company similarly sized and even with development/staging environments and multiple different environments for testing -different Windows and Linux versions and distributions, on top of structural IT we only need three racks -and that's because of older bigger equipment!
), let's see what's about your claims:"How many sru's does a ups take?"0.
If only because the heat, you have it outside the server room (anyway, for four servers it would take one to four Us -and given it's not critical systems and only on a 8-5 usage, they'd probably could afford going without SAI at all)."Switch?
At least 1 each.
"A typical 42 ports managed switch will cost about the same than a typical x86 server, so it makes no difference.
And if you are talking about the typical "expensive" rack usually found in shorter server rooms, probably the switch will be vertically positioned on the side of the rack taking away 0 srus.
"How many 1sru patch pannels do they have?
"Maybe you have a point here; let's see.
You can have 42 ports per patch pannel unit, that makes one per rack (two if you use an start-end approach).
That makes eight at most.
If you count you racks being 40U instead of 42U to make your calcs easier, just a rounding error.
Humm... no: you didn't have a point, after all."San/nas?
Voip phone system?
"Are you implying they are going to be cheaper per-unit that "plain servers"?
Because here we're are talking about full hardware costs.
And then, have you stopped to thing that maybe when they say "four servers" they mean "four server and that's all"?
(after all you don't need neither a big SAI, nor expensive SAN, nor patch pannels, nor a lot of switches when you manage to be served by just four computers, don't you?).
"In a good network setup it's easy to use up 4 racks.
"Yes, it's easy for a 250 people company (or school) to use 4 racks... when the one signing the bills is a moron with a big wallet.
"Does anyone on /.
Work in networking any more?"Yes.
Maybe that explains why you look like a stupid teenager to the people over here.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264418700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sure, Windows sometimes has stupid conventions also, but in order <b>to unseat Windows you have be better</b>, not a mere peer in annoyingness.</p></div><p>I like to call this the 'And a blowjob' argument.</p><p>'A should do everything B does plus everything A does plus most of what C does, or it will never, ever be useful. Oh, and it should give me a blowjob, too.'</p><p>They don't want a good alternative, they want a superior version of what they already have but for free.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , Windows sometimes has stupid conventions also , but in order to unseat Windows you have be better , not a mere peer in annoyingness.I like to call this the 'And a blowjob ' argument .
'A should do everything B does plus everything A does plus most of what C does , or it will never , ever be useful .
Oh , and it should give me a blowjob , too .
'They do n't want a good alternative , they want a superior version of what they already have but for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, Windows sometimes has stupid conventions also, but in order to unseat Windows you have be better, not a mere peer in annoyingness.I like to call this the 'And a blowjob' argument.
'A should do everything B does plus everything A does plus most of what C does, or it will never, ever be useful.
Oh, and it should give me a blowjob, too.
'They don't want a good alternative, they want a superior version of what they already have but for free.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889108</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>BlackHawk-666</author>
	<datestamp>1264431180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're making an assumption the telephone gear is going to be mounted in the same rackspace as the servers. While that's possible it's by no means certain. The keyboard and display are usually on a single unit per rack, slide tray affair. Power management runs from the back of the units and can be on boards hanging off the rear. Not sure what audio system you're talking about, link please. I don't recall seeing any racks with 8 us of switching and 8 us of patching - going suggest these are handled for the most part outside the rack.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're making an assumption the telephone gear is going to be mounted in the same rackspace as the servers .
While that 's possible it 's by no means certain .
The keyboard and display are usually on a single unit per rack , slide tray affair .
Power management runs from the back of the units and can be on boards hanging off the rear .
Not sure what audio system you 're talking about , link please .
I do n't recall seeing any racks with 8 us of switching and 8 us of patching - going suggest these are handled for the most part outside the rack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're making an assumption the telephone gear is going to be mounted in the same rackspace as the servers.
While that's possible it's by no means certain.
The keyboard and display are usually on a single unit per rack, slide tray affair.
Power management runs from the back of the units and can be on boards hanging off the rear.
Not sure what audio system you're talking about, link please.
I don't recall seeing any racks with 8 us of switching and 8 us of patching - going suggest these are handled for the most part outside the rack.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Of leaping we go...</title>
	<author>Johnny Mnemonic</author>
	<datestamp>1264451040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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<br> <i> including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems. The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements.</i> <br> <br>

That is a frankly hilarious leap of inference.  If you have a 4 door car, that means that you always travel with 5 adults, right?  I mean, c'mon.  It's statements like that that make OSS guys seem like wild-eyed loony tunes.  Instead of making ridiculous, bold statements, why don't you, y'know, do some homework?  How many servers do they really use, regardless of how many racks they have?  It might be 4-8 big ones.  That would be an interesting statement of fact, and would demonstrate the value of OSS.  Instead, you just seem lazy and not able to objectively gather data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems .
The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers , suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements .
That is a frankly hilarious leap of inference .
If you have a 4 door car , that means that you always travel with 5 adults , right ?
I mean , c'mon .
It 's statements like that that make OSS guys seem like wild-eyed loony tunes .
Instead of making ridiculous , bold statements , why do n't you , y'know , do some homework ?
How many servers do they really use , regardless of how many racks they have ?
It might be 4-8 big ones .
That would be an interesting statement of fact , and would demonstrate the value of OSS .
Instead , you just seem lazy and not able to objectively gather data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  including four racks each capable of holding 48 servers for its main systems.
The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements.
That is a frankly hilarious leap of inference.
If you have a 4 door car, that means that you always travel with 5 adults, right?
I mean, c'mon.
It's statements like that that make OSS guys seem like wild-eyed loony tunes.
Instead of making ridiculous, bold statements, why don't you, y'know, do some homework?
How many servers do they really use, regardless of how many racks they have?
It might be 4-8 big ones.
That would be an interesting statement of fact, and would demonstrate the value of OSS.
Instead, you just seem lazy and not able to objectively gather data.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887086</id>
	<title>How does a Kiwi find a sheep in long grass?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264452240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonderful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonderful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonderful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30891446</id>
	<title>No "almost 50-fold saving on hardware"</title>
	<author>kenh</author>
	<datestamp>1264439880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an <b>almost 50-fold saving</b> on hardware requirements.</i></p><p>No, it doesn't.</p><p>Merely by specifying four 42U racks doesn't mean they expect/assume the school will stuff each with 42 1U servers (some might be taller/use more Us), and it would be easier to build up the datacenter with racks now than straddle some random server purchase down the line with the need to buy a new server rack, UPSs capacity, KVM support,etc.</p><p>My local school <b>district</b> has 6x 42U racks in the data center, and it allows us tremendous flexibility in installing hardware (this is a test rack, not on generator power, these two are production servers, this rack is the SAN, another for web and other DMZ servers and one for future growth).</p><p>Each school has a 42U rack, but with only one or two local servers installed (one Windows, one OS X server), a UPS, switch or two, and fiber termination hardware with lots of room for future growth, if needed. We didn't need 42U, but the minimal cost savings didn't justify imposing limits on future growth...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers , suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements.No , it does n't.Merely by specifying four 42U racks does n't mean they expect/assume the school will stuff each with 42 1U servers ( some might be taller/use more Us ) , and it would be easier to build up the datacenter with racks now than straddle some random server purchase down the line with the need to buy a new server rack , UPSs capacity , KVM support,etc.My local school district has 6x 42U racks in the data center , and it allows us tremendous flexibility in installing hardware ( this is a test rack , not on generator power , these two are production servers , this rack is the SAN , another for web and other DMZ servers and one for future growth ) .Each school has a 42U rack , but with only one or two local servers installed ( one Windows , one OS X server ) , a UPS , switch or two , and fiber termination hardware with lots of room for future growth , if needed .
We did n't need 42U , but the minimal cost savings did n't justify imposing limits on future growth.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main infrastructure at Albany Senior High only requires four servers, suggesting an almost 50-fold saving on hardware requirements.No, it doesn't.Merely by specifying four 42U racks doesn't mean they expect/assume the school will stuff each with 42 1U servers (some might be taller/use more Us), and it would be easier to build up the datacenter with racks now than straddle some random server purchase down the line with the need to buy a new server rack, UPSs capacity, KVM support,etc.My local school district has 6x 42U racks in the data center, and it allows us tremendous flexibility in installing hardware (this is a test rack, not on generator power, these two are production servers, this rack is the SAN, another for web and other DMZ servers and one for future growth).Each school has a 42U rack, but with only one or two local servers installed (one Windows, one OS X server), a UPS, switch or two, and fiber termination hardware with lots of room for future growth, if needed.
We didn't need 42U, but the minimal cost savings didn't justify imposing limits on future growth...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888574</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>PsychoSlashDot</author>
	<datestamp>1264426920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software. There is a collective agreement (one of many agreements, including one with Apple), and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.</p><p>Standard slashdot bias and hype. FUD FUD FUD</p></div><p>Agreed.  Also, the fact that newly constructed schools spec out 4x48 racks doesn't say anything about how many U are typically consumed in a Microsoft solution shows bad editorializing.  New construction also likely calls for 2" conduit in each wall for future cabling needs, but it certainly doesn't imply that using MS software would require 2" diameter worth of wires to be pulled to fill those conduits.</p><p>I'd applaud the school for using low-to-no-cost solutions in-house were it not for the fact they're basically teaching the kids on platforms they - statistically speaking - will never use in the real world.  Monopoly is bad, but denying reality is worse.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software .
There is a collective agreement ( one of many agreements , including one with Apple ) , and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.Standard slashdot bias and hype .
FUD FUD FUDAgreed .
Also , the fact that newly constructed schools spec out 4x48 racks does n't say anything about how many U are typically consumed in a Microsoft solution shows bad editorializing .
New construction also likely calls for 2 " conduit in each wall for future cabling needs , but it certainly does n't imply that using MS software would require 2 " diameter worth of wires to be pulled to fill those conduits.I 'd applaud the school for using low-to-no-cost solutions in-house were it not for the fact they 're basically teaching the kids on platforms they - statistically speaking - will never use in the real world .
Monopoly is bad , but denying reality is worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no mandate for NZ schools to use Microsoft software.
There is a collective agreement (one of many agreements, including one with Apple), and the schools have always been able to choose the software they want.Standard slashdot bias and hype.
FUD FUD FUDAgreed.
Also, the fact that newly constructed schools spec out 4x48 racks doesn't say anything about how many U are typically consumed in a Microsoft solution shows bad editorializing.
New construction also likely calls for 2" conduit in each wall for future cabling needs, but it certainly doesn't imply that using MS software would require 2" diameter worth of wires to be pulled to fill those conduits.I'd applaud the school for using low-to-no-cost solutions in-house were it not for the fact they're basically teaching the kids on platforms they - statistically speaking - will never use in the real world.
Monopoly is bad, but denying reality is worse.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886804</id>
	<title>Just as importantly, are they also...</title>
	<author>KillShill</author>
	<datestamp>1264362780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inte&pound; free?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inte   free ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inte£ free?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30908400</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264536840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sounds like you've got your own set of biases going on.</p></div></blockquote><p>Shilling for Microsoft is not a bias, for some its a job, for some a hobby, and for some its their religious duty as a zealot in service to their corporate master.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like you 've got your own set of biases going on.Shilling for Microsoft is not a bias , for some its a job , for some a hobby , and for some its their religious duty as a zealot in service to their corporate master .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like you've got your own set of biases going on.Shilling for Microsoft is not a bias, for some its a job, for some a hobby, and for some its their religious duty as a zealot in service to their corporate master.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888506</id>
	<title>Re:Windows has some \_really\_ big no-nos</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1264426260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>what a load of crap. there's nothing preventing you violating a license on linux either. wine anyone?!</p></div><p>Yes please. Red for me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what a load of crap .
there 's nothing preventing you violating a license on linux either .
wine anyone ?
! Yes please .
Red for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what a load of crap.
there's nothing preventing you violating a license on linux either.
wine anyone?
!Yes please.
Red for me.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887230</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Does anyone on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. Work in networking any more?</i> <br> <br>

The majority of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.ers are now young republicans (sorry, <i>libertarians</i>)in their first year of college, studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript.  They've also just discovered ayn raynynnd.  Still fat and greasy though, so at least we're keeping to some of our roots.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone on / .
Work in networking any more ?
The majority of /.ers are now young republicans ( sorry , libertarians ) in their first year of college , studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript .
They 've also just discovered ayn raynynnd .
Still fat and greasy though , so at least we 're keeping to some of our roots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone on /.
Work in networking any more?
The majority of /.ers are now young republicans (sorry, libertarians)in their first year of college, studying debate/rhetoric 101 and javascript.
They've also just discovered ayn raynynnd.
Still fat and greasy though, so at least we're keeping to some of our roots.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886968</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264450920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.</p></div><p>Here in NZ, we're so technologically advanced that we're skipping laptops and going straight to "one server per child".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The school only has 230 students .
I have a hard time believing they 'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.Here in NZ , we 're so technologically advanced that we 're skipping laptops and going straight to " one server per child " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school only has 230 students.
I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.Here in NZ, we're so technologically advanced that we're skipping laptops and going straight to "one server per child".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30894542</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264452300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you didn't have a cafeteria????</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you did n't have a cafeteria ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you didn't have a cafeteria???
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887024</id>
	<title>congrats.</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1264451580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.<p>
you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense. bravo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft .
you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense .
bravo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now your students will have no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.
you MIGHT have saved a few bucks at the students expense.
bravo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887220</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264410480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wtf? thats easy. Read a book on ubuntu.. any book, you can choose it.<br>Your just2use to the windows way of doing things (aka the gay way, but not the good kind of homo gay way.. the one with all the dancing that isn't love based, i.e., old gay (akaka gay gay))<br>You'd have probably had the same complaint moving to OS X, just because you know a way of setting something up doesn't mean thats its the only way nor does it mean its the best way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wtf ?
thats easy .
Read a book on ubuntu.. any book , you can choose it.Your just2use to the windows way of doing things ( aka the gay way , but not the good kind of homo gay way.. the one with all the dancing that is n't love based , i.e. , old gay ( akaka gay gay ) ) You 'd have probably had the same complaint moving to OS X , just because you know a way of setting something up does n't mean thats its the only way nor does it mean its the best way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wtf?
thats easy.
Read a book on ubuntu.. any book, you can choose it.Your just2use to the windows way of doing things (aka the gay way, but not the good kind of homo gay way.. the one with all the dancing that isn't love based, i.e., old gay (akaka gay gay))You'd have probably had the same complaint moving to OS X, just because you know a way of setting something up doesn't mean thats its the only way nor does it mean its the best way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30901120</id>
	<title>US to NZ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264537020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You Kiwis are so funny - acting all grown up!  You'll install Linux when we tell you.  Now back to Windows.<br>And keep the money coming!</p><p>The US</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You Kiwis are so funny - acting all grown up !
You 'll install Linux when we tell you .
Now back to Windows.And keep the money coming ! The US</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You Kiwis are so funny - acting all grown up!
You'll install Linux when we tell you.
Now back to Windows.And keep the money coming!The US</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30893680</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264448340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was one of the people that wrote the standards for the school. The outline of the requirements above is EXACTLY what we were thinking. We certainly weren't sitting there thinking "they will need  50 servers...:-)". The school sits on a gigabit fibre connection so a lot of the bog standard stuff is offsite.</p><p>The school is costing the Ministry of Education around $50-60m all up - dropping an extra $2k on a second comms cabinet, is a sensible idea, for when other technologies (that haven't been invented yet) turn up. (We wanted to leave space for a Minority Report server that would allow the school to predict bad behaviour by students prior to it happening).</p><p>Server cabinets ARE used for things other than servers.........</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was one of the people that wrote the standards for the school .
The outline of the requirements above is EXACTLY what we were thinking .
We certainly were n't sitting there thinking " they will need 50 servers... : - ) " .
The school sits on a gigabit fibre connection so a lot of the bog standard stuff is offsite.The school is costing the Ministry of Education around $ 50-60m all up - dropping an extra $ 2k on a second comms cabinet , is a sensible idea , for when other technologies ( that have n't been invented yet ) turn up .
( We wanted to leave space for a Minority Report server that would allow the school to predict bad behaviour by students prior to it happening ) .Server cabinets ARE used for things other than servers........ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was one of the people that wrote the standards for the school.
The outline of the requirements above is EXACTLY what we were thinking.
We certainly weren't sitting there thinking "they will need  50 servers...:-)".
The school sits on a gigabit fibre connection so a lot of the bog standard stuff is offsite.The school is costing the Ministry of Education around $50-60m all up - dropping an extra $2k on a second comms cabinet, is a sensible idea, for when other technologies (that haven't been invented yet) turn up.
(We wanted to leave space for a Minority Report server that would allow the school to predict bad behaviour by students prior to it happening).Server cabinets ARE used for things other than servers.........</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889160</id>
	<title>Re:Not a matter of cost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264431480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the while learning nothing of the software that's used most prevalently in a work environment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the while learning nothing of the software that 's used most prevalently in a work environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the while learning nothing of the software that's used most prevalently in a work environment.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888760</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>crossmr</author>
	<datestamp>1264428720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)</p></div></blockquote><p>On what planet?<br>Most manufacturers make a 1U display/keyboard combo. Used them all the time on the Dell/HP racks. It slides out and the display pops up.</p><blockquote><div><p>the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used, since they are not comfortable.</p></div></blockquote><p>They're a great place to put heavy raid arrays so as not to make the rack top heavy.<br>Have you ever actually been near a rack or only just seen one in a brochure left in an executive bathroom?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard ( 2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks ) On what planet ? Most manufacturers make a 1U display/keyboard combo .
Used them all the time on the Dell/HP racks .
It slides out and the display pops up.the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used , since they are not comfortable.They 're a great place to put heavy raid arrays so as not to make the rack top heavy.Have you ever actually been near a rack or only just seen one in a brochure left in an executive bathroom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>20 Us for DIsplay/keyboard (2 Displays/kb on 2 different Racks)On what planet?Most manufacturers make a 1U display/keyboard combo.
Used them all the time on the Dell/HP racks.
It slides out and the display pops up.the first 10 or so Units in a Rack are rarely used, since they are not comfortable.They're a great place to put heavy raid arrays so as not to make the rack top heavy.Have you ever actually been near a rack or only just seen one in a brochure left in an executive bathroom?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30889786</id>
	<title>Re:Not There Yet</title>
	<author>jellyfrog</author>
	<datestamp>1264434120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Middle-click drag?

And why the fuck would you want "all users" desktop items? They were one of main irritations I had back when I used windows. Random icons on my desktop that I can't get rid of without administrator priviledges? No thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Middle-click drag ?
And why the fuck would you want " all users " desktop items ?
They were one of main irritations I had back when I used windows .
Random icons on my desktop that I ca n't get rid of without administrator priviledges ?
No thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Middle-click drag?
And why the fuck would you want "all users" desktop items?
They were one of main irritations I had back when I used windows.
Random icons on my desktop that I can't get rid of without administrator priviledges?
No thanks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887786</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1264417740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The school only has 230 students. I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.</p></div><p>Not heard of central provisioning then.. Standardised I.T. infrastructure mandates 192 servers per school reguardless of size+192 Windws server edition software+various resources reguardless of actual need. Somewhere there is a school that needs 237 servers, but only has 192 and can't get the extra alloocation because that would screw up the budgeting.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero? How's that for savings?</p></div><p>Mine too. But then I'm old enough to have gone to school when computers were big complicated things that huge companies used.

I also walked to school.. in the snow, uphill both ways..</p></div>
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<tokenext>The school only has 230 students .
I have a hard time believing they 'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.Not heard of central provisioning then.. Standardised I.T .
infrastructure mandates 192 servers per school reguardless of size + 192 Windws server edition software + various resources reguardless of actual need .
Somewhere there is a school that needs 237 servers , but only has 192 and ca n't get the extra alloocation because that would screw up the budgeting.And BTW , as long as you 're standing on my lawn , may I remind you that my own high school 's expenditure on servers was exactly zero ?
How 's that for savings ? Mine too .
But then I 'm old enough to have gone to school when computers were big complicated things that huge companies used .
I also walked to school.. in the snow , uphill both ways. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The school only has 230 students.
I have a hard time believing they'd need 192 servers whether they used Linux or not.Not heard of central provisioning then.. Standardised I.T.
infrastructure mandates 192 servers per school reguardless of size+192 Windws server edition software+various resources reguardless of actual need.
Somewhere there is a school that needs 237 servers, but only has 192 and can't get the extra alloocation because that would screw up the budgeting.And BTW, as long as you're standing on my lawn, may I remind you that my own high school's expenditure on servers was exactly zero?
How's that for savings?Mine too.
But then I'm old enough to have gone to school when computers were big complicated things that huge companies used.
I also walked to school.. in the snow, uphill both ways..
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	<title>Sell Data Center Servcies</title>
	<author>ittanmomen</author>
	<datestamp>1264453080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose what the article means is that there are 4 x 48U racks installed in the server room.  It is fiction that each rack could actually loaded with 48 x 1U servers!  Potential problems are: cooling, weight, air (fire hazard), power supply.</p><p>Most likely actual rack usage looks as follows:</p><p>- Rack with 5 Servers<br>- Rack for Patching and switches<br>- Rack for phone system / phone patches<br>- Rack for backup.</p><p>If they have remaining capacity, they could rent it out/sell to other community organisations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose what the article means is that there are 4 x 48U racks installed in the server room .
It is fiction that each rack could actually loaded with 48 x 1U servers !
Potential problems are : cooling , weight , air ( fire hazard ) , power supply.Most likely actual rack usage looks as follows : - Rack with 5 Servers- Rack for Patching and switches- Rack for phone system / phone patches- Rack for backup.If they have remaining capacity , they could rent it out/sell to other community organisations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose what the article means is that there are 4 x 48U racks installed in the server room.
It is fiction that each rack could actually loaded with 48 x 1U servers!
Potential problems are: cooling, weight, air (fire hazard), power supply.Most likely actual rack usage looks as follows:- Rack with 5 Servers- Rack for Patching and switches- Rack for phone system / phone patches- Rack for backup.If they have remaining capacity, they could rent it out/sell to other community organisations.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264426980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. would 28 units of accessories per server get modded informative.  Seriously, people: 6 units of audio system for a server room?  Y'all need to get your humormeters checked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only on / .
would 28 units of accessories per server get modded informative .
Seriously , people : 6 units of audio system for a server room ?
Y'all need to get your humormeters checked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only on /.
would 28 units of accessories per server get modded informative.
Seriously, people: 6 units of audio system for a server room?
Y'all need to get your humormeters checked.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30895866</id>
	<title>Re:congrats.</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1264414500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.</p></div></blockquote><p>I notice that anybody who criticizes Linux in any way is at heavy risk of being modded to oblivion. The refs seem to be favoring the home team.</p><p>The above is a very good point and deserves serious consideration. The world speaks Microsoft and if you learn something else you will be at a disadvantage. You are asking that they sacrifice that knowledge and be at a disadvantage in order to assist in reducing MS's influence. <b>What is good for the individual is not necessarily good for all of society and vice verse</b>. This problem is sometimes called "QWERTY Syndrome" and "Nash Equilibrium" I believe.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
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<tokenext>no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.I notice that anybody who criticizes Linux in any way is at heavy risk of being modded to oblivion .
The refs seem to be favoring the home team.The above is a very good point and deserves serious consideration .
The world speaks Microsoft and if you learn something else you will be at a disadvantage .
You are asking that they sacrifice that knowledge and be at a disadvantage in order to assist in reducing MS 's influence .
What is good for the individual is not necessarily good for all of society and vice verse .
This problem is sometimes called " QWERTY Syndrome " and " Nash Equilibrium " I believe .
     </tokentext>
<sentencetext>no idea what to do when they go out into the real world of business where everything is microsoft.I notice that anybody who criticizes Linux in any way is at heavy risk of being modded to oblivion.
The refs seem to be favoring the home team.The above is a very good point and deserves serious consideration.
The world speaks Microsoft and if you learn something else you will be at a disadvantage.
You are asking that they sacrifice that knowledge and be at a disadvantage in order to assist in reducing MS's influence.
What is good for the individual is not necessarily good for all of society and vice verse.
This problem is sometimes called "QWERTY Syndrome" and "Nash Equilibrium" I believe.
     
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	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264451580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't need that many servers, they are saying there are 4 racks, each capable of holding 42sru. How many sru's does a ups take? 8?  Switch? At least 1 each. How many 1sru patch pannels do they have? 10? San/nas?  Voip phone system? Room for expansion?  In a good network setup it's easy to use up 4 racks.</p><p>Does anyone on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. Work in networking any more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't need that many servers , they are saying there are 4 racks , each capable of holding 42sru .
How many sru 's does a ups take ?
8 ? Switch ?
At least 1 each .
How many 1sru patch pannels do they have ?
10 ? San/nas ?
Voip phone system ?
Room for expansion ?
In a good network setup it 's easy to use up 4 racks.Does anyone on / .
Work in networking any more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't need that many servers, they are saying there are 4 racks, each capable of holding 42sru.
How many sru's does a ups take?
8?  Switch?
At least 1 each.
How many 1sru patch pannels do they have?
10? San/nas?
Voip phone system?
Room for expansion?
In a good network setup it's easy to use up 4 racks.Does anyone on /.
Work in networking any more?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887158</id>
	<title>Re:50-fold savings?</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1264453020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking; 4 full racks is just good foresight. My office of 20 people had one full rack, and it had a display unit, a PBX unit, a 48 port switch, and the UPS near the bottom. You can stick one or two racks in a former broom closet, but if you're building at a new site, you might as well future proof it while you're at it. <br>
&nbsp; <br>The city of seattle has 400 fiber optic strands going to each municipal building, but only uses one. Does the author of this article suggest that since FiOS only sends one strand to the home, data compression has increased 400 fold since 1996? No -- it's because it's cheap, and you can future proof for only about 10\% more. <br>
&nbsp; <br>I hate marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking ; 4 full racks is just good foresight .
My office of 20 people had one full rack , and it had a display unit , a PBX unit , a 48 port switch , and the UPS near the bottom .
You can stick one or two racks in a former broom closet , but if you 're building at a new site , you might as well future proof it while you 're at it .
  The city of seattle has 400 fiber optic strands going to each municipal building , but only uses one .
Does the author of this article suggest that since FiOS only sends one strand to the home , data compression has increased 400 fold since 1996 ?
No -- it 's because it 's cheap , and you can future proof for only about 10 \ % more .
  I hate marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking; 4 full racks is just good foresight.
My office of 20 people had one full rack, and it had a display unit, a PBX unit, a 48 port switch, and the UPS near the bottom.
You can stick one or two racks in a former broom closet, but if you're building at a new site, you might as well future proof it while you're at it.
  The city of seattle has 400 fiber optic strands going to each municipal building, but only uses one.
Does the author of this article suggest that since FiOS only sends one strand to the home, data compression has increased 400 fold since 1996?
No -- it's because it's cheap, and you can future proof for only about 10\% more.
  I hate marketing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887120</id>
	<title>One glass typewriter is like another</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264452660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they can't work out how to use MS Word in five minutes when they are used to openoffice then they really won't be trying.<br>Most of this stuff is so similar that it doesn't matter.  When you get down to mail merges or other stuff just about every company does it differently on the same platform so they'll have to learn it anyway.<br>True, if they are setting up computer systems they'll be at a disadvantage - you have to know the Microsoft platform to understand that you choose "local printer" when you want to connect directly to a printer on the network (and a thousand other quirks).<br>By the way, I've heard EXACTLY this argument before about why schools should be full of Apple computers.  It really has very little merit.  If you are talking about a single semester technical college course it has merit, but for general situations it doesn't.<br>In a ten year time scale we went from MSDOS to XP in business desktop computing.  There is no point at all in directly targeting a specific business desktop environment in the early and middle years of school and not much in the late years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they ca n't work out how to use MS Word in five minutes when they are used to openoffice then they really wo n't be trying.Most of this stuff is so similar that it does n't matter .
When you get down to mail merges or other stuff just about every company does it differently on the same platform so they 'll have to learn it anyway.True , if they are setting up computer systems they 'll be at a disadvantage - you have to know the Microsoft platform to understand that you choose " local printer " when you want to connect directly to a printer on the network ( and a thousand other quirks ) .By the way , I 've heard EXACTLY this argument before about why schools should be full of Apple computers .
It really has very little merit .
If you are talking about a single semester technical college course it has merit , but for general situations it does n't.In a ten year time scale we went from MSDOS to XP in business desktop computing .
There is no point at all in directly targeting a specific business desktop environment in the early and middle years of school and not much in the late years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they can't work out how to use MS Word in five minutes when they are used to openoffice then they really won't be trying.Most of this stuff is so similar that it doesn't matter.
When you get down to mail merges or other stuff just about every company does it differently on the same platform so they'll have to learn it anyway.True, if they are setting up computer systems they'll be at a disadvantage - you have to know the Microsoft platform to understand that you choose "local printer" when you want to connect directly to a printer on the network (and a thousand other quirks).By the way, I've heard EXACTLY this argument before about why schools should be full of Apple computers.
It really has very little merit.
If you are talking about a single semester technical college course it has merit, but for general situations it doesn't.In a ten year time scale we went from MSDOS to XP in business desktop computing.
There is no point at all in directly targeting a specific business desktop environment in the early and middle years of school and not much in the late years.</sentencetext>
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887216
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887274
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887420
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887074
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30886948
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30887784
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888188
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30888690
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_25_0230231.30895946
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