<article>
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	<title>UK's Freeview HD To Go DRM</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1264327860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>gbjbaanb writes <i>"The BBC has been granted provisional approval to <a href="http://www.techradar.com/news/television/hdtv/bbc-given-go-ahead-for-freeview-hd-copy-protection-665556">introduce copy protection for Freeview HD</a> after they resubmitted an amended plan. Quoting from Ofcom's statement: 'In view of the fuller submission provided by the BBC, Ofcom is currently minded to approve its request for a multiplex license amendment subject to consultation responses, on the basis that in principle, content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumers.' However, it's not too late yet &mdash; you can submit your comment and tell them you'd like to be able to record broadcast HD TV. I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc., if this is not implemented. They'll still take our license fee money (or advertising) and sell us the content, but refuse to let us record or copy it, hoping we'll go out and buy the DVD/Blu-ray as well."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>gbjbaanb writes " The BBC has been granted provisional approval to introduce copy protection for Freeview HD after they resubmitted an amended plan .
Quoting from Ofcom 's statement : 'In view of the fuller submission provided by the BBC , Ofcom is currently minded to approve its request for a multiplex license amendment subject to consultation responses , on the basis that in principle , content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumers .
' However , it 's not too late yet    you can submit your comment and tell them you 'd like to be able to record broadcast HD TV .
I 'm sure the 'content providers ' will continue to sell content to the BBC , ITV , etc. , if this is not implemented .
They 'll still take our license fee money ( or advertising ) and sell us the content , but refuse to let us record or copy it , hoping we 'll go out and buy the DVD/Blu-ray as well .
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<sentencetext>gbjbaanb writes "The BBC has been granted provisional approval to introduce copy protection for Freeview HD after they resubmitted an amended plan.
Quoting from Ofcom's statement: 'In view of the fuller submission provided by the BBC, Ofcom is currently minded to approve its request for a multiplex license amendment subject to consultation responses, on the basis that in principle, content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumers.
' However, it's not too late yet — you can submit your comment and tell them you'd like to be able to record broadcast HD TV.
I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc., if this is not implemented.
They'll still take our license fee money (or advertising) and sell us the content, but refuse to let us record or copy it, hoping we'll go out and buy the DVD/Blu-ray as well.
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	<title>I think it's about time ....</title>
	<author>Crypto Gnome</author>
	<datestamp>1264333500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>... for another gunpowder rebellion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... for another gunpowder rebellion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... for another gunpowder rebellion.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Doomsday predictions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264358760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once they implement DRM, the BBC becomes just another commercial company. This should mean the TV licence goes away, however I bet nothing will change.</p><p>I also expect the BBC are already planning a tiered service they can charge extra for, that allows you to once again record shows like you (legally) can now for free.</p><p>I also imagine that whatever DRM they choose will assume/require Microsoft Windows for PC-based solutions, so us Linux/Mythbox users are screwed by the BBC yet again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once they implement DRM , the BBC becomes just another commercial company .
This should mean the TV licence goes away , however I bet nothing will change.I also expect the BBC are already planning a tiered service they can charge extra for , that allows you to once again record shows like you ( legally ) can now for free.I also imagine that whatever DRM they choose will assume/require Microsoft Windows for PC-based solutions , so us Linux/Mythbox users are screwed by the BBC yet again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once they implement DRM, the BBC becomes just another commercial company.
This should mean the TV licence goes away, however I bet nothing will change.I also expect the BBC are already planning a tiered service they can charge extra for, that allows you to once again record shows like you (legally) can now for free.I also imagine that whatever DRM they choose will assume/require Microsoft Windows for PC-based solutions, so us Linux/Mythbox users are screwed by the BBC yet again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877106</id>
	<title>Here we go again!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264332180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever thought this would end differently needs to have his head examined.</p><p>Twice.</p><p>At an Ofcom licensed specialist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever thought this would end differently needs to have his head examined.Twice.At an Ofcom licensed specialist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever thought this would end differently needs to have his head examined.Twice.At an Ofcom licensed specialist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877204</id>
	<title>Freeview?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264333980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sarcasm at its best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sarcasm at its best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sarcasm at its best.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877302</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again!</title>
	<author>Ed Avis</author>
	<datestamp>1264335660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the arguments I plan to make is that it's simply not up to Ofcom or the BBC to decide whether restricting home recording is a 'justified objective'.  Copyright, being a tradeoff between competing interests, is essentially a political rather than technical question, and any changes to copyright law need to be made by Parliament, not sneaked in through the back door with technological restrictions.  (I responded to the earlier consultation, and so did many others, which meant Ofcom said 'no' to the BBC's request, but they appear to have found a way to work around public opinion and reverse the earlier decision.  But it's not too late.)

(just to repeat the correct link for those who haven't seen it: )</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the arguments I plan to make is that it 's simply not up to Ofcom or the BBC to decide whether restricting home recording is a 'justified objective' .
Copyright , being a tradeoff between competing interests , is essentially a political rather than technical question , and any changes to copyright law need to be made by Parliament , not sneaked in through the back door with technological restrictions .
( I responded to the earlier consultation , and so did many others , which meant Ofcom said 'no ' to the BBC 's request , but they appear to have found a way to work around public opinion and reverse the earlier decision .
But it 's not too late .
) ( just to repeat the correct link for those who have n't seen it : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the arguments I plan to make is that it's simply not up to Ofcom or the BBC to decide whether restricting home recording is a 'justified objective'.
Copyright, being a tradeoff between competing interests, is essentially a political rather than technical question, and any changes to copyright law need to be made by Parliament, not sneaked in through the back door with technological restrictions.
(I responded to the earlier consultation, and so did many others, which meant Ofcom said 'no' to the BBC's request, but they appear to have found a way to work around public opinion and reverse the earlier decision.
But it's not too late.
)

(just to repeat the correct link for those who haven't seen it: )</sentencetext>
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	<title>Will only make people download more.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264349760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can see/hear it, you can record it. So DRM is a stupid idea, it can't work. The system must allow people to see/hear what it hides, so people will copy it and remove the restrictions. Then it gets put up, DRM-free, for all to download a copy. All the DRM has done is mean people don't come to you first for distribution. To fight piracy, make it so cheap and so good people can't be bothered to pirate. Like AllOfMp3.com, before it got shut down. Offer cheap streaming, or stick in adverts, or overlay bugs, or the programs made with product placement. It's all about eyeballs and in the case of BBC we pay for anyway! I'm not going buy a set-top-box without a harddisc (so I can record) and ethernet (so I can copy it where I like). Right now, I can watch what I want, when I want to, and rather then just give people the name of a great show, I can give them a few series! Like lending a good book, but still having the book. This scheme is just to stop the freedom, that the tech sazy already have now, from spreading, but that never works, what the geeks are doing today, everyone else will be doing tomorrow. The best this cage can hope to do is slow things down a little. Personally I think it will just drive more to downloads over broadcast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can see/hear it , you can record it .
So DRM is a stupid idea , it ca n't work .
The system must allow people to see/hear what it hides , so people will copy it and remove the restrictions .
Then it gets put up , DRM-free , for all to download a copy .
All the DRM has done is mean people do n't come to you first for distribution .
To fight piracy , make it so cheap and so good people ca n't be bothered to pirate .
Like AllOfMp3.com , before it got shut down .
Offer cheap streaming , or stick in adverts , or overlay bugs , or the programs made with product placement .
It 's all about eyeballs and in the case of BBC we pay for anyway !
I 'm not going buy a set-top-box without a harddisc ( so I can record ) and ethernet ( so I can copy it where I like ) .
Right now , I can watch what I want , when I want to , and rather then just give people the name of a great show , I can give them a few series !
Like lending a good book , but still having the book .
This scheme is just to stop the freedom , that the tech sazy already have now , from spreading , but that never works , what the geeks are doing today , everyone else will be doing tomorrow .
The best this cage can hope to do is slow things down a little .
Personally I think it will just drive more to downloads over broadcast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can see/hear it, you can record it.
So DRM is a stupid idea, it can't work.
The system must allow people to see/hear what it hides, so people will copy it and remove the restrictions.
Then it gets put up, DRM-free, for all to download a copy.
All the DRM has done is mean people don't come to you first for distribution.
To fight piracy, make it so cheap and so good people can't be bothered to pirate.
Like AllOfMp3.com, before it got shut down.
Offer cheap streaming, or stick in adverts, or overlay bugs, or the programs made with product placement.
It's all about eyeballs and in the case of BBC we pay for anyway!
I'm not going buy a set-top-box without a harddisc (so I can record) and ethernet (so I can copy it where I like).
Right now, I can watch what I want, when I want to, and rather then just give people the name of a great show, I can give them a few series!
Like lending a good book, but still having the book.
This scheme is just to stop the freedom, that the tech sazy already have now, from spreading, but that never works, what the geeks are doing today, everyone else will be doing tomorrow.
The best this cage can hope to do is slow things down a little.
Personally I think it will just drive more to downloads over broadcast.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877384</id>
	<title>Re:B@st@rds !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264336860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV, even though the size is the same, and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.</p><p>Why would you think those two would be the determining factors? I suspect an HDTV has to do a lot more than an HD monitor does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV , even though the size is the same , and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.Why would you think those two would be the determining factors ?
I suspect an HDTV has to do a lot more than an HD monitor does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV, even though the size is the same, and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.Why would you think those two would be the determining factors?
I suspect an HDTV has to do a lot more than an HD monitor does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30885940</id>
	<title>Re:D'ya think?</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1264353960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>From the article: " I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc., if this is not implemented."<br>My guess would be 'no' actually - they'll happily sell non-HD versions, but I doubt they will sell HD without the DRM.</p></div></blockquote><p>And would this matter?<br>What I'd like to know is when we're going to get a proper EPG and HD recording for Radio 4? In mono, of course. Why bother paying for bandwidth and electronics for an ear you don't use?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " I 'm sure the 'content providers ' will continue to sell content to the BBC , ITV , etc. , if this is not implemented .
" My guess would be 'no ' actually - they 'll happily sell non-HD versions , but I doubt they will sell HD without the DRM.And would this matter ? What I 'd like to know is when we 're going to get a proper EPG and HD recording for Radio 4 ?
In mono , of course .
Why bother paying for bandwidth and electronics for an ear you do n't use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article: " I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc., if this is not implemented.
"My guess would be 'no' actually - they'll happily sell non-HD versions, but I doubt they will sell HD without the DRM.And would this matter?What I'd like to know is when we're going to get a proper EPG and HD recording for Radio 4?
In mono, of course.
Why bother paying for bandwidth and electronics for an ear you don't use?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30878726</id>
	<title>You don't need a TV... license or no.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1264352160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The fact is that if I stop paying my license I would eventually face prison time and a criminal record. Is this right?</i></p><p>No, only if you wanted to watch TV.</p><p>In the past 30 years, the only time I have watched TV is when a relative or friend I was already spending time with wanted to watch something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact is that if I stop paying my license I would eventually face prison time and a criminal record .
Is this right ? No , only if you wanted to watch TV.In the past 30 years , the only time I have watched TV is when a relative or friend I was already spending time with wanted to watch something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact is that if I stop paying my license I would eventually face prison time and a criminal record.
Is this right?No, only if you wanted to watch TV.In the past 30 years, the only time I have watched TV is when a relative or friend I was already spending time with wanted to watch something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877114</id>
	<title>Re:Where do we complain?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264332300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/howtorespond/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content \ _mngt/howtorespond/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/howtorespond/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877160</id>
	<title>I don't think so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264333080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They'll still take our license fee money (or advertising) and sell us the content, but refuse to let us record or copy it</i></p><p>They won't be taking my 'licence fee money'.  I don't pay that anachronistic tax.  I encourage everyone else to do likewise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll still take our license fee money ( or advertising ) and sell us the content , but refuse to let us record or copy itThey wo n't be taking my 'licence fee money' .
I do n't pay that anachronistic tax .
I encourage everyone else to do likewise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll still take our license fee money (or advertising) and sell us the content, but refuse to let us record or copy itThey won't be taking my 'licence fee money'.
I don't pay that anachronistic tax.
I encourage everyone else to do likewise.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30908040</id>
	<title>Re:Sharing the costs of production</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1264535640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The BBC still has a duty to serve the public, and definitely should not be dictating the tech market. Being the richest public funded network in the world they are always the stronger negotiator and in many other countries the public broadcaster fulfill similar obligations to broadcast free. And while they do show a few purchased U.S. shows, the majority of productions are in-house. It's competitors show the majority of foreign shows on UK TVs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The BBC still has a duty to serve the public , and definitely should not be dictating the tech market .
Being the richest public funded network in the world they are always the stronger negotiator and in many other countries the public broadcaster fulfill similar obligations to broadcast free .
And while they do show a few purchased U.S. shows , the majority of productions are in-house .
It 's competitors show the majority of foreign shows on UK TVs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The BBC still has a duty to serve the public, and definitely should not be dictating the tech market.
Being the richest public funded network in the world they are always the stronger negotiator and in many other countries the public broadcaster fulfill similar obligations to broadcast free.
And while they do show a few purchased U.S. shows, the majority of productions are in-house.
It's competitors show the majority of foreign shows on UK TVs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877094</id>
	<title>Where do we complain?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264331820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, if we can still comment, anyone have a link to do so?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if we can still comment , anyone have a link to do so ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if we can still comment, anyone have a link to do so?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30885322</id>
	<title>Re:I think it's about time ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264348860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a Bonfire of our rights<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... A veritable holocaust.. what are these people? Some sort of Nazi's!? They remind me of Hitler</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a Bonfire of our rights ... A veritable holocaust.. what are these people ?
Some sort of Nazi 's ! ?
They remind me of Hitler</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a Bonfire of our rights ... A veritable holocaust.. what are these people?
Some sort of Nazi's!?
They remind me of Hitler</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877216</id>
	<title>D'ya think?</title>
	<author>Angostura</author>
	<datestamp>1264334220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article: " I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc., if this is not implemented."</p><p>My guess would be 'no' actually - they'll happily sell non-HD versions, but I doubt they will sell HD without the DRM.</p><p>Hey, if the summary writer can speculate, so can I.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " I 'm sure the 'content providers ' will continue to sell content to the BBC , ITV , etc. , if this is not implemented .
" My guess would be 'no ' actually - they 'll happily sell non-HD versions , but I doubt they will sell HD without the DRM.Hey , if the summary writer can speculate , so can I .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article: " I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc., if this is not implemented.
"My guess would be 'no' actually - they'll happily sell non-HD versions, but I doubt they will sell HD without the DRM.Hey, if the summary writer can speculate, so can I.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877156</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264333020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't worry too much.</p><p>Our summary says, "in principle, content management is a justified objective." While this may or may not be true, the reality is that "content management systems" (aka DRM) never work. Someone will crack it immediately, flushing another $5-6 million down the drain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't worry too much.Our summary says , " in principle , content management is a justified objective .
" While this may or may not be true , the reality is that " content management systems " ( aka DRM ) never work .
Someone will crack it immediately , flushing another $ 5-6 million down the drain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't worry too much.Our summary says, "in principle, content management is a justified objective.
" While this may or may not be true, the reality is that "content management systems" (aka DRM) never work.
Someone will crack it immediately, flushing another $5-6 million down the drain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877422</id>
	<title>A lesson on what it means to distort reality:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264337400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[...] on the basis that in principle, <strong>content management</strong> is a justified objective which <strong>ensures that</strong> the broadest range of HD content is made <strong>available</strong> to citizens and consumers.</p></div><p>Here is a lesson for us all, on how to talk and act, if you want to push something trough that everybody hates: You state the exact opposite of what it will do. Which is of course, what everybody will want. And you get it across not only without the blink of an eye, but in a way that makes others feel like this is in fact reality, so that they start to believe it too.</p><p>Today&rsquo;s wars are not fought with machines and deaths. They are fought with ideas / mindsets / realities, and people that you don&rsquo;t have to kill, but instead <em>make</em> your &ldquo;best friends&rdquo;, so that they fight on <em>your</em> side.</p><p>I say, we as hackers (actually more &ldquo;crackers&rdquo;) should become the masters of that! Hack the human mind! As an extension of social engineering. But for good things!<br>Psychology, social dynamics, true leadership and rhetorics. Those are the key skills.</p><p>Hmm... I should make a RPG out of that, to train my army... Muhahahaha<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
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<tokenext>[ ... ] on the basis that in principle , content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumers.Here is a lesson for us all , on how to talk and act , if you want to push something trough that everybody hates : You state the exact opposite of what it will do .
Which is of course , what everybody will want .
And you get it across not only without the blink of an eye , but in a way that makes others feel like this is in fact reality , so that they start to believe it too.Today    s wars are not fought with machines and deaths .
They are fought with ideas / mindsets / realities , and people that you don    t have to kill , but instead make your    best friends    , so that they fight on your side.I say , we as hackers ( actually more    crackers    ) should become the masters of that !
Hack the human mind !
As an extension of social engineering .
But for good things ! Psychology , social dynamics , true leadership and rhetorics .
Those are the key skills.Hmm... I should make a RPG out of that , to train my army... Muhahahaha ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...] on the basis that in principle, content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumers.Here is a lesson for us all, on how to talk and act, if you want to push something trough that everybody hates: You state the exact opposite of what it will do.
Which is of course, what everybody will want.
And you get it across not only without the blink of an eye, but in a way that makes others feel like this is in fact reality, so that they start to believe it too.Today’s wars are not fought with machines and deaths.
They are fought with ideas / mindsets / realities, and people that you don’t have to kill, but instead make your “best friends”, so that they fight on your side.I say, we as hackers (actually more “crackers”) should become the masters of that!
Hack the human mind!
As an extension of social engineering.
But for good things!Psychology, social dynamics, true leadership and rhetorics.
Those are the key skills.Hmm... I should make a RPG out of that, to train my army... Muhahahaha ;)
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	<title>Re:No free TV</title>
	<author>growse</author>
	<datestamp>1264337220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except the requirement to have a TV license has bugger all to do with how much equipment you own.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except the requirement to have a TV license has bugger all to do with how much equipment you own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except the requirement to have a TV license has bugger all to do with how much equipment you own.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A lesson on what it means to distort reality:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264346040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is a lesson that can be learned from just looking at what DRM officially stands for.</p><p>They call it Digital RIGHTS Management, while in reality, it means Digital RESTRICTIONS Management.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is a lesson that can be learned from just looking at what DRM officially stands for.They call it Digital RIGHTS Management , while in reality , it means Digital RESTRICTIONS Management .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is a lesson that can be learned from just looking at what DRM officially stands for.They call it Digital RIGHTS Management, while in reality, it means Digital RESTRICTIONS Management.</sentencetext>
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	<title>RTFATWL</title>
	<author>Spad</author>
	<datestamp>1264335060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you <a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/summary/" title="ofcom.org.uk">Read The Fine Article That Wasn't Linked</a> [ofcom.org.uk] on the Ofcom website you'll find interesting tidbits such as:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>1.4 The BBC's proposed content management approach would require Ofcom to grant an amendment to its multiplex licence, subject to Ofcom's approval of specific proposals, to allow the BBC to restrict the availability of programme listing information for HDTV services only to receivers that implement content management technology.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>1.9 The content management technology required to be implemented in receivers under the BBC's proposals would permit unrestricted recordings of HD content onto digital video recorders (DVRs) but would enable broadcasters to control the copying of this content onto other devices and its distribution over the internet. The HD content would only be accessible on other consumer devices which support the same content management technologies as those used in HD receivers.</p></div><p>In essence, if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech, the only thing you're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it's the BBC's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible. Now that's not to say that someone in the government won't make it impossible to buy receivers that don't support this in the UK, but that's what China is for.</p><p>Full PDF is <a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/condoc.pdf" title="ofcom.org.uk">here</a> [ofcom.org.uk]</p></div>
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<tokenext>If you Read The Fine Article That Was n't Linked [ ofcom.org.uk ] on the Ofcom website you 'll find interesting tidbits such as : 1.4 The BBC 's proposed content management approach would require Ofcom to grant an amendment to its multiplex licence , subject to Ofcom 's approval of specific proposals , to allow the BBC to restrict the availability of programme listing information for HDTV services only to receivers that implement content management technology.1.9 The content management technology required to be implemented in receivers under the BBC 's proposals would permit unrestricted recordings of HD content onto digital video recorders ( DVRs ) but would enable broadcasters to control the copying of this content onto other devices and its distribution over the internet .
The HD content would only be accessible on other consumer devices which support the same content management technologies as those used in HD receivers.In essence , if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech , the only thing you 're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it 's the BBC 's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible .
Now that 's not to say that someone in the government wo n't make it impossible to buy receivers that do n't support this in the UK , but that 's what China is for.Full PDF is here [ ofcom.org.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you Read The Fine Article That Wasn't Linked [ofcom.org.uk] on the Ofcom website you'll find interesting tidbits such as:1.4 The BBC's proposed content management approach would require Ofcom to grant an amendment to its multiplex licence, subject to Ofcom's approval of specific proposals, to allow the BBC to restrict the availability of programme listing information for HDTV services only to receivers that implement content management technology.1.9 The content management technology required to be implemented in receivers under the BBC's proposals would permit unrestricted recordings of HD content onto digital video recorders (DVRs) but would enable broadcasters to control the copying of this content onto other devices and its distribution over the internet.
The HD content would only be accessible on other consumer devices which support the same content management technologies as those used in HD receivers.In essence, if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech, the only thing you're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it's the BBC's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible.
Now that's not to say that someone in the government won't make it impossible to buy receivers that don't support this in the UK, but that's what China is for.Full PDF is here [ofcom.org.uk]
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877318</id>
	<title>Re:It's already DRMd</title>
	<author>groovelator</author>
	<datestamp>1264335960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From <a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/summary/" title="ofcom.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/summary/</a> [ofcom.org.uk]
<br> <br>
1.9 The content management technology required to be implemented in receivers under the BBC's proposals would permit unrestricted recordings of HD content onto digital video recorders (DVRs) but would enable broadcasters to control the copying of this content onto other devices and its distribution over the internet. The HD content would only be accessible on other consumer devices which support the same content management technologies as those used in HD receivers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From http : //www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content \ _mngt/summary/ [ ofcom.org.uk ] 1.9 The content management technology required to be implemented in receivers under the BBC 's proposals would permit unrestricted recordings of HD content onto digital video recorders ( DVRs ) but would enable broadcasters to control the copying of this content onto other devices and its distribution over the internet .
The HD content would only be accessible on other consumer devices which support the same content management technologies as those used in HD receivers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/content\_mngt/summary/ [ofcom.org.uk]
 
1.9 The content management technology required to be implemented in receivers under the BBC's proposals would permit unrestricted recordings of HD content onto digital video recorders (DVRs) but would enable broadcasters to control the copying of this content onto other devices and its distribution over the internet.
The HD content would only be accessible on other consumer devices which support the same content management technologies as those used in HD receivers.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Sharing the costs of production</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1264334520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc.</i> </p><p>The BBC has co-production and distribution agreements with private and public corporate partners all over the world.</p><p>The BBC's resources are not unlimited. It has only so much money to buy product, only so much money to produce product.</p><p>The BBC brand name is worth only so much. The BBC has to offer its partners protection in the UK market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the 'content providers ' will continue to sell content to the BBC , ITV , etc .
The BBC has co-production and distribution agreements with private and public corporate partners all over the world.The BBC 's resources are not unlimited .
It has only so much money to buy product , only so much money to produce product.The BBC brand name is worth only so much .
The BBC has to offer its partners protection in the UK market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the 'content providers' will continue to sell content to the BBC, ITV, etc.
The BBC has co-production and distribution agreements with private and public corporate partners all over the world.The BBC's resources are not unlimited.
It has only so much money to buy product, only so much money to produce product.The BBC brand name is worth only so much.
The BBC has to offer its partners protection in the UK market.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:RTFATWL</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1264345740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In essence, if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech, the only thing you're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it's the BBC's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible</p></div><p>ICBW but don't most DVRs depend on program listing data to know when to record?</p></div>
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<tokenext>In essence , if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech , the only thing you 're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it 's the BBC 's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possibleICBW but do n't most DVRs depend on program listing data to know when to record ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In essence, if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech, the only thing you're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it's the BBC's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possibleICBW but don't most DVRs depend on program listing data to know when to record?
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	<title>What a wonderful opportunity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264334160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't care what they do, I have a HDMI harddisk recorder. It works great even on copy protected content such as blu-ray disks etc.<br>I suspect these devices will become more widespread and someone is going to become quite rich making and selling these boxes.<br>Mine works by cloning the Device ID of the TV its connected to and pretends to be that Device from then on. Any attempt my manufacturers and movie producers to circumvent this would result in rendering lots / possibly all HDMI - through-devices such as switchers, distribution amplifiers, surround sound decoders and maybe a few displays useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't care what they do , I have a HDMI harddisk recorder .
It works great even on copy protected content such as blu-ray disks etc.I suspect these devices will become more widespread and someone is going to become quite rich making and selling these boxes.Mine works by cloning the Device ID of the TV its connected to and pretends to be that Device from then on .
Any attempt my manufacturers and movie producers to circumvent this would result in rendering lots / possibly all HDMI - through-devices such as switchers , distribution amplifiers , surround sound decoders and maybe a few displays useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't care what they do, I have a HDMI harddisk recorder.
It works great even on copy protected content such as blu-ray disks etc.I suspect these devices will become more widespread and someone is going to become quite rich making and selling these boxes.Mine works by cloning the Device ID of the TV its connected to and pretends to be that Device from then on.
Any attempt my manufacturers and movie producers to circumvent this would result in rendering lots / possibly all HDMI - through-devices such as switchers, distribution amplifiers, surround sound decoders and maybe a few displays useless.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30907806</id>
	<title>Re:It's already DRMd</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1264534800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That makes me quite glad I bought an unencumbered DVB-S PVR. It was much cheaper than what you would pay for a freesat box and records to any USB media. Plus every freesat receiver is crippled in a variety of other ways (they make it illegal to receive any other stations than the ones approved by the BBC for example)</p><p>But what they intend to do with terrestrial TV is what they've been doing on Satellite for a long time. No standard receiver can understand the EPG data so I have to input everything manually and can't get any info about what's on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That makes me quite glad I bought an unencumbered DVB-S PVR .
It was much cheaper than what you would pay for a freesat box and records to any USB media .
Plus every freesat receiver is crippled in a variety of other ways ( they make it illegal to receive any other stations than the ones approved by the BBC for example ) But what they intend to do with terrestrial TV is what they 've been doing on Satellite for a long time .
No standard receiver can understand the EPG data so I have to input everything manually and ca n't get any info about what 's on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That makes me quite glad I bought an unencumbered DVB-S PVR.
It was much cheaper than what you would pay for a freesat box and records to any USB media.
Plus every freesat receiver is crippled in a variety of other ways (they make it illegal to receive any other stations than the ones approved by the BBC for example)But what they intend to do with terrestrial TV is what they've been doing on Satellite for a long time.
No standard receiver can understand the EPG data so I have to input everything manually and can't get any info about what's on.</sentencetext>
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	<title>More likely to go goatse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264331880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.</p><p>What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:</p><ul><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Linus Torvalds</a> [microsoft.com] is an anagram of <b>slit anus or VD 'L,'</b> clearly referring to himself by the first initial.</li><li> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20060212034956/http://www.geocities.com/stallmanus/" title="archive.org" rel="nofollow">Richard M. Stallman</a> [archive.org], spokespervert for the <b>G</b>aysex's <b>N</b>ot <b>U</b>nusual 'movement' is an anagram of <b>mans cram thrill ad.</b> </li><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Alan Cox</a> [microsoft.com] is <i>barely</i> an anagram of <b>anal cox</b> which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.</li></ul><p>I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe <i>The Cathedral and the Bizarre,</i> is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. <i>Update:</i> Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for <b>secondary rim</b> and <b>cord in my arse.</b> It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.</p><p> <i>Update the Second:</i> It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Fetchmail</a> [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'</p><p>As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/05/26/free\_love/index.html" title="salon.com" rel="nofollow">actually quoted</a> [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.</p><p>And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">slut</a> [rotten.com]!</p><p>Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] perversion of <a href="http://slashdot.org/features/99/07/22/173256.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">corrupting the innocence of young children</a> [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:</p><p>'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'</p><p>Is this why you were touching your <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?</p><p>We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' <i>Is there any more doubt?</i> For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.</p><p>Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.</p><p>In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The <a href="http://www.redhat.com/" title="redhat.com" rel="nofollow">Slackware</a> [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of <b>claw arse</b>, a reference to the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The <a href="http://www.slackware.com/" title="slackware.com" rel="nofollow">Mandrake</a> [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for <b>dark amen</b> and <b>ram naked,</b> which is what they do.</p><p>Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is <a href="http://www.mandrake.com/" title="mandrake.com" rel="nofollow">Debian,</a> [mandrake.com] an anagram of <b>in a bed,</b> which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.</p><p>And <a href="http://www.debian.org/" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">Red Hat</a> [debian.org] is secret <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.</p><p>The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">mount each other</a> [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.</p><p>The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously<tt>/anus</tt>, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no<tt>/opt</tt> mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.</p><p>More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love <tt>`man`</tt>, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out <tt>`man`</tt>. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.</p><p>Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent <i>gayness</i>. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual <a href="http://www.amiga.com/" title="amiga.com" rel="nofollow">Windows</a> [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: <i>Faggot Anal Quest:</i> the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!</p><p>Even the title '<a href="http://www.geekizoid.com/" title="geekizoid.com" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice. <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/" title="kuro5hin.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, <a href="http://www.eff.org/" title="eff.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/</a> [eff.org].</p><p>The editors of <a href="http://www.slashduh.org/" title="slashduh.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [slashduh.org] also have <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with <a href="http://pboy.com/shteatrfrk/images01/" title="pboy.com" rel="nofollow">excrement</a> [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, <a href="http://notslashdot.org/" title="notslashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [notslashdot.org] runs on <i>Apache!</i> </p><p>The <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/iis/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Apache</a> [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.</p><p>And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.</p><p>To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">BeOS</a> [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'</p><p> <b>FEEDBACK</b> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to <i>warn</i> them of the impending <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=mighty\%20jebus" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">mighty jebus</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's <a href="http://www.happy.bodysnatchers.co.uk/deadcunt/" title="bodysnatchers.co.uk" rel="nofollow">vagina</a> [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the <a href="http://www.hitler.org/" title="hitler.org" rel="nofollow">unknown liberator</a> [hitler.org].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of <i>Baywatch</i> until the very mention of <a href="http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/vertical.html" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">Pamela Anderson</a> [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual <a href="http://www.zillabunny.com/express/" title="zillabunny.com" rel="nofollow">jism</a> [zillabunny.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?)</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=double\_h" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">double\_h</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the <a href="http://www.xbox.com/" title="xbox.com" rel="nofollow">PS2</a> [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, <a href="http://www.linux.com/" title="linux.com" rel="nofollow">NT</a> [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a <i>sin</i> in the eyes of the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Catholic church</a> [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.</p><p>Secondly, this message is for <i>every</i> man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by <i> <a href="http://www.stileproject.com/" title="stileproject.com" rel="nofollow">a Black Man</a> [stileproject.com] </i>. Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=phee" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">phee</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that <a href="http://www.python.org/" title="python.org" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [python.org] (standing for <b>P</b>ansies <b>E</b>ntering <b>R</b>ectums <b>L</b>ocally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'</p><p>One scary thing about <a href="http://java.sun.com/" title="sun.com" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [sun.com] is that it contains hidden <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: <tt>LWP::Simple</tt> -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: <i>There are two colons next to each other!</i> As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'</p><p>And <a href="http://www.perl.org/" title="perl.org" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> [perl.org] stands for <b>P</b>erverted <b>H</b>omosexual <b>P</b>enetration. Didn't you know?</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=Eimernase" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Eimernase</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I <i>do</i> know that <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p> <i>*sniff*</i> That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Good Lord</a> [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.</p><p>However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)</p><p>In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (<b>L</b>ove of <b>A</b>nal <b>N</b>aughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (<i>i.e.,</i> kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in <a href="http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Metamoderation</a> [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???</p><p>If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived <i>forever!</i> Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I am compelled to document the foulness and <a href="http://www.catholic.net/" title="catholic.net" rel="nofollow">carnal depravity</a> [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I sincerely hope you're <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050301194841/http://www.geocities.com/signal\_sig/petri.html" title="archive.org" rel="nofollow">Natalie Portman</a> [archive.org].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>What the <i>fuck?</i> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homos</a> [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well bugger me!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Fuck <i>right</i> off!</p><p>IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not <a href="http://www.linux.org/" title="linux.org" rel="nofollow">HURD</a> [linux.org], which is an acronym for '<b>H</b>uge <b>U</b>nclean <b>R</b>ectal <b>D</b>ilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the <a href="http://www.icopyright.com/" title="icopyright.com" rel="nofollow">Public Domain</a> [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the <a href="http://www.publicsource.apple.com/apsl/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">GPL</a> [apple.com] (<b>G</b>ay <b>P</b>enetration <b>L</b>icense) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">feces-encrusted</a> [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on <a href="http://www.adultmember.com/freshmeat/" title="adultmember.com" rel="nofollow">Freshmeat</a> [adultmember.com], but that name is <i>known</i> to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.</p><p>Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.</p><p> <b>Contributors:</b> (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.</p><p> <b>Current changes:</b> This version sent to <a href="http://slashdot.org/~Free\%20WIPO/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> <em>FreeWIPO</em> </a> [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?</p><p> <b>Previous changes:</b> Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding <tt>`man`</tt> and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.</p><p> <b>ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... <i>Up your ass!</i> </b> </p></div>
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<tokenext>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality ' , which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux 's most outspoken advocates : Linus Torvalds [ microsoft.com ] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L, ' clearly referring to himself by the first initial .
Richard M. Stallman [ archive.org ] , spokespervert for the Gaysex 's Not Unusual 'movement ' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad .
Alan Cox [ microsoft.com ] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I 'm sure that Eric S. Raymond , composer of the satanic homosexual [ goatse.fr ] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre , is probably an anagram of something queer , but we do n't need to look that far as we know he 's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy 's rectum .
Update : Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse .
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer .
Update the Second : It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [ microsoft.com ] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male ' -- a disgusting practise .
For those not in the know , 'felching ' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other 's rectum .
In fact , it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail , turning it into 'e-male .
'As far as Richard 'Master ' Stallman goes , that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [ salon.com ] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following : 'I 've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance, ' he says .
'It 's about being able to question conventional wisdom, ' he asserts .
'I believe in love , but not monogamy, ' he says plainly.And this is n't a made up troll bullshit either !
He actually stated this tripe , which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he 's a flaming homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slut [ rotten.com ] ! Speaking about 'flaming, ' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot 's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz .
Although an obvious deviant anagram can not be found from his name , he has already confessed , nay boasted of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [ slashdot.org ] .
To quote from the article linked : 'I 've got a rare kidney disease, ' I told her .
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot .
You can come with me if you want , but it takes a while .
Is that okay with you ?
Do you want a note from my doctor ?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [ rotten.com ] in the cinema , Jon ?
And letting the other boys touch it too ? We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot 's resident Gasbag .
' Is there any more doubt ?
For those fortunate few who are n't aware of the list of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' a 'Gasbag ' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra ( or to use the common parlance , 'piss-pipe ' ) , then his homosexual [ goatse.fr ] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum .
This is , of course , when he 's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick , disgusting antichristian perverts , the lot of them.In addition , many of the Linux distributions ( a 'distribution ' is the most common way to spread the faggots ' wares ) are run by faggot groups .
The Slackware [ redhat.com ] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear ' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes .
Furthermore , Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse , a reference to the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practise of anal fisting .
The Mandrake [ slackware.com ] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists , and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator .
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked , which is what they do.Another 'distro, ' ( abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco, ' which is where homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] preyed on young boys in the 1970s ) , is Debian , [ mandrake.com ] an anagram of in a bed , which could be considered innocent enough ( after all , a bed is both where we sleep and pray ) , until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares .
'Woody ' is obvious enough , being a term for the erect male penis [ rotten.com ] , glistening with pre-cum .
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato ' that they use .
This filthy term , again found in the secret homosexual [ goatse.fr ] 'Sauce Code, ' refers to the solo homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag , shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus , then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid .
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato ' up his own rectum , squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [ debian.org ] is secret homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slang for the tip of a penis [ rotten.com ] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry !
For example , the 'supermount ' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration , which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland .
'Automount ' is used , on the other hand , because Linux users are all fat and gay , and need to mount each other [ comp-u-geek.net ] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points .
' These are , plainly speaking , the different points of penetration .
The main one is obviously/anus , but there are others .
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point ' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love ` man ` , even going so far as to say that all new Linux users ( who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda ) should try out ` man ` .
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux 's inherent gayness .
For example , people are often told of the 'FAQ, ' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [ amiga.com ] users know what this actually means .
The answer is shocking : Faggot Anal Quest : the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags ! Even the title 'Slashdot [ geekizoid.com ] ' originally referred to a homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice .
Slashdot [ kuro5hin.org ] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting .
The Slashbots , of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses , as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users , the depraved work of Satan , http : //www.eff.org/ [ eff.org ] .The editors of Slashdot [ slashduh.org ] also have homosexual [ goatse.fr ] names : 'Hemos ' is obvious in itself , being one vowel away from 'Homos .
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco ' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco, ' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [ pboy.com ] .
( The best form of lubrication , they insist .
) Sometimes , these 'Taco Commodes ' have special 'Salsa Sauce ' ( blood from a ruptured rectum ) and 'Cheese ' ( rancid flakes of penis [ rotten.com ] discharge ) toppings .
And to make it even worse , Slashdot [ notslashdot.org ] runs on Apache !
The Apache [ microsoft.com ] server , whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS , is named after homosexual [ goatse.fr ] activity -- as everyone knows , popular faggot band , the Village People , featured an Apache Indian , and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that 's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise : Linux is gay .
'Slash -- Dot ' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy 's scrotum and anus .
And BeOS [ apple.com ] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers .
' FEEDBACK What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do .
I 'm scared I actually read this whole thing .
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people .
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this .
And actually take the time to do it too .
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it 's early .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell , the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code ' once .
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer ( and have n't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel ' ?
) , this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race , as well as a few of the major animal species .
It has shocked and disturbed me , to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet .
You must work for the government .
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot wo n't be able to continue or something , due to legal woes .
If i ever see your ugly face , i 'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass , after it 's nice and hot , to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotDoes n't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it 's way up my most sacred of sphincters ?
You 're beyond help , my friend , as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man .
Are you sure you 're not Eric Raymond ?
The government , being populated by limp-wristed liberals , could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] child molesting Linux advocacy .
Hell , they 've given NAMBLA free reign for years !
you really should post this logged in .
i wish i could remember jebus 's password , cuz i 'd give it to you .
-- mighty jebus [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support .
However , this document shall only ever be posted anonymously .
This is because the 'Open Sauce ' movement is a sham , proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom .
I speak for the common man .
For any man who prefers the warm , enveloping velvet folds of a woman 's vagina [ bodysnatchers.co.uk ] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child .
These men , being common , decent folk , do n't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture .
I am the unknown liberator [ hitler.org ] .
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWe should n't hate them , we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society .
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [ rotten.com ] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [ zillabunny.com ] .
Actually , that 's not at all how scrotal inflation works .
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum .
I 've never tried this , but you can read how to do it safely in case you 're interested .
( Before you moderate this down , ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation , or people who pay $ 1000 + for a game console ?
) -- double \ _h [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code ' is riddled with bugs that need fixing .
( The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me .
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this , with their queer slogan : 'Given enough arms , all rectums are shallow .
' And anyway , the PS2 [ xbox.com ] sucks major cock and is n't worth the money .
Intellivision forever !
dude did u used to post on msnbc 's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFor one thing , whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing , NT [ linux.com ] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film , enjoying the restriction enforced onto them .
Remember , a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [ atheism.org ] .
Clearly , the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor .
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems .
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly , this message is for every man .
Computers know no colour .
Not only that , but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [ stileproject.com ] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher .
And do n't forget that slashdot was written in Perl , which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace ' for comfort.... oh wait ; that 's something all you heterosexuals do.... I ca n't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them .
-- phee [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman 's breasts , squirting one 's load up towards her neck and chin area , it should be noted that Perl [ python.org ] ( standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally ) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle, ' 'Pearl Nosering, ' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema .
'One scary thing about Perl [ sun.com ] is that it contains hidden homosexual [ goatse.fr ] messages .
Take the following code : LWP : : Simple -- It looks innocuous enough , does n't it ?
But look at the line closely : There are two colons next to each other !
As Larry 'Balls to the ' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation , Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it 's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing, ' whereby two homosexual [ goatse.fr ] queers spread their buttocks wide , pressing their filthy torn sphincters together .
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone .
This is also referred to in programming 'circles ' as 'Parameter Passing .
'And PHP [ perl.org ] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration .
Did n't you know ?
Thank you for your valuable input on this .
I am sure you will be never forgotten .
BTW : Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars ?
Mars rulaa .
-- Eimernase [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , I do n't know about terraforming Mars , but I do know that homosexual [ goatse.fr ] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years .
That 's inspiring .
Keep up the good work , AC .
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community , and make it pure again .
Yours , Cerberus .
-- Anonymous Coward , Slashdot * sniff * That brings a tear to my eye .
Thank you once more for your kind support .
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [ atheism.org ] 's work , but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However , I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus ' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot .
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos ' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing , in intimate , exacting detail , how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals ; be they domesticated , wild , or mythical .
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide , treating it as an 'extension ' to the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' for the sake of 'interoperability .
' ( The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind .
) In fact , sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties , ( Love of Anal Naughtiness , needless to say .
) , wherein they entice a stray dog , known as the 'Samba Mount, ' into their homes .
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect , throbbing , uncircumcised members , conkers-deep , into the rectum , mouth , and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal .
Eventually , the 'Samba Mount ' collapses due to 'overload, ' and needs to be 'rebooted .
' ( i.e. , kicked out into the street , and left to fend for itself .
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime ' in such situations .
Inspiring stuff !
If only all trolls were this quality !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotIf only indeed .
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible .
I recommend ' + 1 , Underrated, ' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [ slashdot.org ] .
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture .
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender ' ? ?
? If we can get just one of these postings up to at least ' + 1, ' then it will be archived forever !
Others will learn of our struggle , and join with us in our battle for freedom !
It 's pathetic you 've spent so much time writing this .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [ catholic.net ] that is Linux , in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow .
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment .
As with any great open-source project , you need someone asking this question , so I 'll do it .
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready ? ! ? !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI could make an arrogant , childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0 , I wo n't release it for another 24 hours, ' but the truth of the matter is that I 'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two, ' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I 've even had chance to wipe .
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel , you sexy hunk , you .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI sincerely hope you 're Natalie Portman [ archive.org ] .
Dude , nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading .
Try to distill the message , whatever it was , and maybe I 'll read it .
As it is , I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time .
10 seconds is all its gon na take M $ to whoop Linux 's ass .
Vigilence is the price of Free ( as in libre -- from the fine , frou frou French language ) Software .
Hack on fellow geeks , and remember : Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins .
Those godless , oil drench , bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons ( another fine , fine French word ) and eat that .
Anyway , try to keep your message focused and concise .
For concision is the soul of derision .
Way. -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWhat the fuck ?
I 've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I 'm impressed .
In particular , I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [ comp-u-geek.net ] tend to be full of .
Thank you again .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell bugger me !
ooooh honey .
how insecure are you ! ! !
wann a little massage from deare bruci .
love you -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFuck right off ! IMPORTANT : This message needs to be heard ( Not HURD [ linux.org ] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator ' ) across the whole community , so it has been released into the Public Domain [ icopyright.com ] .
You know , that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [ apple.com ] ( Gay Penetration License ) that is no more than an excuse to see who 's got the biggest feces-encrusted [ rotten.com ] cock .
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [ adultmember.com ] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it , the whole concept of 'Source Control ' unnerves me , because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control, ' which is a description of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation , thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver 's scrotum .
And 'Open Sauce ' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later .
Obviously , 'Closed Sauce ' is the only Christian thing to do , as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about .
Contributors : ( although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit ' that open 'sauce ' development has become ) Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , phee , Anonymous Coward , mighty jebus , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , double \ _h , Anonymous Coward , Eimernase , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward .
Further contributions are welcome .
Current changes : This version sent to FreeWIPO [ slashdot.org ] by 'Bring BackATV ' as plain text .
Reformatted everything , added all links back in ( that we could match from the previous version ) , many new ones ( Slashbot bait links ) .
Even more spelling fixed .
Who wrote this thing , CmdrTaco himself ?
Previous changes : Yet more changes added .
Spelling fixed .
Feedback added .
Explanation of 'distro ' system .
'Mount Point ' syntax described .
More filth regarding ` man ` and Slashdot .
Yet more fucking spelling fixed .
'Fetchmail ' uncovered further .
More Slashbot baiting .
Apache exposed .
Distribution licence at foot of document .
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality', which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to paedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates: Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
Richard M. Stallman [archive.org], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum.
Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse.
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise.
For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum.
In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.
'As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says.
'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts.
'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either!
He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz.
Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org].
To quote from the article linked:'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her.
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot.
You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while.
Is that okay with you?
Do you want a note from my doctor?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon?
And letting the other boys touch it too?We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.
' Is there any more doubt?
For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum.
This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups.
The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes.
Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting.
The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator.
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares.
'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum.
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use.
This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid.
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry!
For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland.
'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.
' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration.
The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others.
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`.
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherent gayness.
For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means.
The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice.
Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting.
The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org].The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com].
(The best form of lubrication, they insist.
) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings.
And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!
The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise: Linux is gay.
'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus.
And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.
' FEEDBACK  What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do.
I'm scared I actually read this whole thing.
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people.
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this.
And actually take the time to do it too.
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once.
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?
), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species.
It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
You must work for the government.
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes.
If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotDoesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters?
You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man.
Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond?
The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy.
Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
you really should post this logged in.
i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.
-- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support.
However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously.
This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom.
I speak for the common man.
For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child.
These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture.
I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org].
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWe shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society.
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com].
Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works.
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum.
I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested.
(Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?
) -- double\_h [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing.
(The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.
' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money.
Intellivision forever!
dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFor one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them.
Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org].
Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor.
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems.
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly, this message is for every man.
Computers know no colour.
Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by  a Black Man [stileproject.com] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.
-- phee [slashdot.org], SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.
'One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages.
Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it?
But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other!
As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together.
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone.
This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.
'And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration.
Didn't you know?
Thank you for your valuable input on this.
I am sure you will be never forgotten.
BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars?
Mars rulaa.
-- Eimernase [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
That's inspiring.
Keep up the good work, AC.
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again.
Yours, Cerberus.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye.
Thank you once more for your kind support.
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot.
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical.
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.
' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.
)In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.
), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes.
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal.
Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.
' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
Inspiring stuff!
If only all trolls were this quality!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotIf only indeed.
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible.
I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org].
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture.
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'??
?If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever!
Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow.
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it.
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [archive.org].
Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading.
Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it.
As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time.
10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass.
Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software.
Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins.
Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that.
Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise.
For concision is the soul of derision.
Way. -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWhat the fuck?
I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed.
In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of.
Thank you again.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell bugger me!
ooooh honey.
how insecure are you!!!
wann a little massage from deare bruci.
love you -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFuck right off!IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com].
You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock.
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum.
And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later.
Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward.
Further contributions are welcome.
Current changes: This version sent to  FreeWIPO  [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text.
Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links).
Even more spelling fixed.
Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?
Previous changes: Yet more changes added.
Spelling fixed.
Feedback added.
Explanation of 'distro' system.
'Mount Point' syntax described.
More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot.
Yet more fucking spelling fixed.
'Fetchmail' uncovered further.
More Slashbot baiting.
Apache exposed.
Distribution licence at foot of document.
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!  
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30881534</id>
	<title>Re:It's already DRMd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264324140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have a Freesat HD PVR. HD content is encrypted to the box</p></div><p>This is not true. The transmission is not encrypted or DRM'd. Take any recent PC, install a DVD-S card and watch the Beeb to your hearts content.</p><p>Also, Freesat is simply a pretty EPG for channels that have been broadcast free, unencrypted and sans DRM for years. If your PVR is adding DRM it's not the fault of Freesat.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I have a Freesat HD PVR .
HD content is encrypted to the boxThis is not true .
The transmission is not encrypted or DRM 'd .
Take any recent PC , install a DVD-S card and watch the Beeb to your hearts content.Also , Freesat is simply a pretty EPG for channels that have been broadcast free , unencrypted and sans DRM for years .
If your PVR is adding DRM it 's not the fault of Freesat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Freesat HD PVR.
HD content is encrypted to the boxThis is not true.
The transmission is not encrypted or DRM'd.
Take any recent PC, install a DVD-S card and watch the Beeb to your hearts content.Also, Freesat is simply a pretty EPG for channels that have been broadcast free, unencrypted and sans DRM for years.
If your PVR is adding DRM it's not the fault of Freesat.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877410</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again!</title>
	<author>gilgongo</author>
	<datestamp>1264337220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>any changes to copyright law need to be made by Parliament, not sneaked in through the back door with technological restrictions.</p> </div><p>Well yes, but the depressing thing is that what's being discussed by Ofcom is a set of contract terms between the broadcaster, their audience and the content providers. Copyright law will not (can cannot) be changed by this, the rights holders will still be the rights holders, etc. The crucial point is that in almost all jurisdictions on earth, contract beats copyright, so in this debate copyright might seem like the the issue, but it's not.</p></div>
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<tokenext>any changes to copyright law need to be made by Parliament , not sneaked in through the back door with technological restrictions .
Well yes , but the depressing thing is that what 's being discussed by Ofcom is a set of contract terms between the broadcaster , their audience and the content providers .
Copyright law will not ( can can not ) be changed by this , the rights holders will still be the rights holders , etc .
The crucial point is that in almost all jurisdictions on earth , contract beats copyright , so in this debate copyright might seem like the the issue , but it 's not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>any changes to copyright law need to be made by Parliament, not sneaked in through the back door with technological restrictions.
Well yes, but the depressing thing is that what's being discussed by Ofcom is a set of contract terms between the broadcaster, their audience and the content providers.
Copyright law will not (can cannot) be changed by this, the rights holders will still be the rights holders, etc.
The crucial point is that in almost all jurisdictions on earth, contract beats copyright, so in this debate copyright might seem like the the issue, but it's not.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30878674</id>
	<title>Re:A lesson on what it means to distort reality:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264351920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, he's stating exactly what *is* true.  Let's examine it again, shall we?</p><p>&gt; on the basis that in principle, content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumers</p><p>And that is 100\% correct.  A wider range of content is available with DRM support than without, so his statement is factually correct.  The BBC can in fact deliver the broadest range of HD content this way.</p><p>When your belief system disagrees with reality, maybe it's time to fix your belief system.  There are reasons Linux only has a paltry amount of desktop market share.  This is one of them: when Joe Sixpack can play some content on his DRM-supporting Windows box but it won't play on Linux, that means a broader range of content is available on the Windows machine.  It supports *both* DRM and non-DRM content, while Linux only supports non-DRM content.  Until Linux proponents understand that simple reality, Linux will never really succeed.  Normal people want to play things like Netflix streaming video.  It doesn't work on Linux, therefore, systems which support DRM do provide a wider range of content, and people will prefer those systems in the real world (rather than from their parent's basements).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , he 's stating exactly what * is * true .
Let 's examine it again , shall we ? &gt; on the basis that in principle , content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumersAnd that is 100 \ % correct .
A wider range of content is available with DRM support than without , so his statement is factually correct .
The BBC can in fact deliver the broadest range of HD content this way.When your belief system disagrees with reality , maybe it 's time to fix your belief system .
There are reasons Linux only has a paltry amount of desktop market share .
This is one of them : when Joe Sixpack can play some content on his DRM-supporting Windows box but it wo n't play on Linux , that means a broader range of content is available on the Windows machine .
It supports * both * DRM and non-DRM content , while Linux only supports non-DRM content .
Until Linux proponents understand that simple reality , Linux will never really succeed .
Normal people want to play things like Netflix streaming video .
It does n't work on Linux , therefore , systems which support DRM do provide a wider range of content , and people will prefer those systems in the real world ( rather than from their parent 's basements ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, he's stating exactly what *is* true.
Let's examine it again, shall we?&gt; on the basis that in principle, content management is a justified objective which ensures that the broadest range of HD content is made available to citizens and consumersAnd that is 100\% correct.
A wider range of content is available with DRM support than without, so his statement is factually correct.
The BBC can in fact deliver the broadest range of HD content this way.When your belief system disagrees with reality, maybe it's time to fix your belief system.
There are reasons Linux only has a paltry amount of desktop market share.
This is one of them: when Joe Sixpack can play some content on his DRM-supporting Windows box but it won't play on Linux, that means a broader range of content is available on the Windows machine.
It supports *both* DRM and non-DRM content, while Linux only supports non-DRM content.
Until Linux proponents understand that simple reality, Linux will never really succeed.
Normal people want to play things like Netflix streaming video.
It doesn't work on Linux, therefore, systems which support DRM do provide a wider range of content, and people will prefer those systems in the real world (rather than from their parent's basements).</sentencetext>
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	<title>B@st@rds !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264335420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they roll this out to the satellite transmissions of BBC HD as well, Arrrgghhh!<br><br>I bought a Analogue / DVB-T / DVB-S combi-card that can decode DVB-S HD transmissions, and of course a HD pc monitor* to watch / edit on. I know that the BBC and ITV are pushing people for the "Freesat" service, their locked-in satellite box... they get a cut from the sales you see. I suspect vendor lock-in is one reason they want to scramble the transmissions.<br><br>Having a FTA card allows me to watch from whatever terrestrial or satellite I can pick up from. Using Linux as well to do it is no mean feat, some HD channels have changed the spec on how to receive their signals, and it messes with the audio stream (BBC-HD implicated).<br><br>Having the Freeview HD signal scrambled is not a great loss, the bit rate for terrestrial HD is as predicted appallingly low and unwatchable. The problem is the masses will look at that bad picture and think it is acceptable, because they've not seen anything else, ie. the satellite HD signal (which has also had it's bit rate downgraded recently). The same thing happened with the roll out and push for Freeview terrestrial digital television, the bit rate has been dropping all the time, it is pretty bad, analogue beats it hands down for picture and audio quality.<br><br>For a supposed free to air channel (subject to paying the BBC tax), the BBC have acted appallingly. For a regulator of UK television that was started up by the current corrupt government, they are acting exactly to type, bought off by corporate interests instead of viewers interests.<br><br>* Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV, even though the size is the same, and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they roll this out to the satellite transmissions of BBC HD as well , Arrrgghhh ! I bought a Analogue / DVB-T / DVB-S combi-card that can decode DVB-S HD transmissions , and of course a HD pc monitor * to watch / edit on .
I know that the BBC and ITV are pushing people for the " Freesat " service , their locked-in satellite box... they get a cut from the sales you see .
I suspect vendor lock-in is one reason they want to scramble the transmissions.Having a FTA card allows me to watch from whatever terrestrial or satellite I can pick up from .
Using Linux as well to do it is no mean feat , some HD channels have changed the spec on how to receive their signals , and it messes with the audio stream ( BBC-HD implicated ) .Having the Freeview HD signal scrambled is not a great loss , the bit rate for terrestrial HD is as predicted appallingly low and unwatchable .
The problem is the masses will look at that bad picture and think it is acceptable , because they 've not seen anything else , ie .
the satellite HD signal ( which has also had it 's bit rate downgraded recently ) .
The same thing happened with the roll out and push for Freeview terrestrial digital television , the bit rate has been dropping all the time , it is pretty bad , analogue beats it hands down for picture and audio quality.For a supposed free to air channel ( subject to paying the BBC tax ) , the BBC have acted appallingly .
For a regulator of UK television that was started up by the current corrupt government , they are acting exactly to type , bought off by corporate interests instead of viewers interests .
* Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV , even though the size is the same , and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they roll this out to the satellite transmissions of BBC HD as well, Arrrgghhh!I bought a Analogue / DVB-T / DVB-S combi-card that can decode DVB-S HD transmissions, and of course a HD pc monitor* to watch / edit on.
I know that the BBC and ITV are pushing people for the "Freesat" service, their locked-in satellite box... they get a cut from the sales you see.
I suspect vendor lock-in is one reason they want to scramble the transmissions.Having a FTA card allows me to watch from whatever terrestrial or satellite I can pick up from.
Using Linux as well to do it is no mean feat, some HD channels have changed the spec on how to receive their signals, and it messes with the audio stream (BBC-HD implicated).Having the Freeview HD signal scrambled is not a great loss, the bit rate for terrestrial HD is as predicted appallingly low and unwatchable.
The problem is the masses will look at that bad picture and think it is acceptable, because they've not seen anything else, ie.
the satellite HD signal (which has also had it's bit rate downgraded recently).
The same thing happened with the roll out and push for Freeview terrestrial digital television, the bit rate has been dropping all the time, it is pretty bad, analogue beats it hands down for picture and audio quality.For a supposed free to air channel (subject to paying the BBC tax), the BBC have acted appallingly.
For a regulator of UK television that was started up by the current corrupt government, they are acting exactly to type, bought off by corporate interests instead of viewers interests.
* Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV, even though the size is the same, and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so</title>
	<author>optkk</author>
	<datestamp>1264334580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I ditched my TV about 6 months ago. The majority of shows I want are available on the 'net, one way or another. I'm not dictated to by licences, adverts or broadcast schedules.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ditched my TV about 6 months ago .
The majority of shows I want are available on the 'net , one way or another .
I 'm not dictated to by licences , adverts or broadcast schedules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ditched my TV about 6 months ago.
The majority of shows I want are available on the 'net, one way or another.
I'm not dictated to by licences, adverts or broadcast schedules.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877932</id>
	<title>Re:RTFATWL</title>
	<author>gbjbaanb</author>
	<datestamp>1264345800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are you sure? 1.9 says that they can prevent copying of content (not listing data). Whilst the paragraph says 'unrestricted coying onto DVRs' it also says "would permit". ie, they'll be able to prevent that for high-worth content, like a movie the producer didn't want you to record.</p><p>Later in the spec, they say there are 3 modes of protection allowed: unrestricted (fair enough, I imagine a lot of general TV would fall into this category, stuff like all those cookery or property shows), limited-copy (which allows you to make say 3 copies) and copy-once (ie to your DVR). Guess which mode would be employed for the programme's you'd like to keep?</p><p>I think the implementation is designed to DRM the listings data (as the programmes themselves cannot be encrypted), but still put the DRM onto the receiver - which in turn would prevent you from copying the programmes simply because they've got it there to protect the listing data. (ie because the 'what's on' info is embedded in it, no copying of the programme is allowed either)</p><p>How many receivers will be produced that do not have a listing guide? Probably none - they wouldn't sell in large enough quantities to be worth even a Chinese manufacturer making them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are you sure ?
1.9 says that they can prevent copying of content ( not listing data ) .
Whilst the paragraph says 'unrestricted coying onto DVRs ' it also says " would permit " .
ie , they 'll be able to prevent that for high-worth content , like a movie the producer did n't want you to record.Later in the spec , they say there are 3 modes of protection allowed : unrestricted ( fair enough , I imagine a lot of general TV would fall into this category , stuff like all those cookery or property shows ) , limited-copy ( which allows you to make say 3 copies ) and copy-once ( ie to your DVR ) .
Guess which mode would be employed for the programme 's you 'd like to keep ? I think the implementation is designed to DRM the listings data ( as the programmes themselves can not be encrypted ) , but still put the DRM onto the receiver - which in turn would prevent you from copying the programmes simply because they 've got it there to protect the listing data .
( ie because the 'what 's on ' info is embedded in it , no copying of the programme is allowed either ) How many receivers will be produced that do not have a listing guide ?
Probably none - they would n't sell in large enough quantities to be worth even a Chinese manufacturer making them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you sure?
1.9 says that they can prevent copying of content (not listing data).
Whilst the paragraph says 'unrestricted coying onto DVRs' it also says "would permit".
ie, they'll be able to prevent that for high-worth content, like a movie the producer didn't want you to record.Later in the spec, they say there are 3 modes of protection allowed: unrestricted (fair enough, I imagine a lot of general TV would fall into this category, stuff like all those cookery or property shows), limited-copy (which allows you to make say 3 copies) and copy-once (ie to your DVR).
Guess which mode would be employed for the programme's you'd like to keep?I think the implementation is designed to DRM the listings data (as the programmes themselves cannot be encrypted), but still put the DRM onto the receiver - which in turn would prevent you from copying the programmes simply because they've got it there to protect the listing data.
(ie because the 'what's on' info is embedded in it, no copying of the programme is allowed either)How many receivers will be produced that do not have a listing guide?
Probably none - they wouldn't sell in large enough quantities to be worth even a Chinese manufacturer making them.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Tsfftf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264358220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is ridiculous. Completely unfair given that we pay a license fee already. How on earth will this work with MythTV? answer is it probably won't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is ridiculous .
Completely unfair given that we pay a license fee already .
How on earth will this work with MythTV ?
answer is it probably wo n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is ridiculous.
Completely unfair given that we pay a license fee already.
How on earth will this work with MythTV?
answer is it probably won't.</sentencetext>
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	<title>You mean... as alluding to "V for Vendetta":</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1264342860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
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	<htmltext><a href="http://www.loveisearned.com/assets/images/in\%20case\%20of\%20revolution\%20break\%20glass.jpg" title="loveisearned.com">http://www.loveisearned.com/assets/images/in\%20case\%20of\%20revolution\%20break\%20glass.jpg</a> [loveisearned.com] ?
<p>
As a matter of fact, Digital Restrictions Management with its inherently evil capabilities for censorship will indeed make every <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/" title="imdb.com">Adam Sutler</a> [imdb.com] drool with joy over its Orwellian prospects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.loveisearned.com/assets/images/in \ % 20case \ % 20of \ % 20revolution \ % 20break \ % 20glass.jpg [ loveisearned.com ] ?
As a matter of fact , Digital Restrictions Management with its inherently evil capabilities for censorship will indeed make every Adam Sutler [ imdb.com ] drool with joy over its Orwellian prospects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.loveisearned.com/assets/images/in\%20case\%20of\%20revolution\%20break\%20glass.jpg [loveisearned.com] ?
As a matter of fact, Digital Restrictions Management with its inherently evil capabilities for censorship will indeed make every Adam Sutler [imdb.com] drool with joy over its Orwellian prospects.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Content</title>
	<author>dandart</author>
	<datestamp>1264347600000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you want people to watch your stuff... make it available to EVERYONE. Let them do what they wish, else it will never get "out there". In the case where it is "out there" it's an awful lot kinder to consumers, especially the honest ones who want to record your programmes. My, my opinion of the BBC is going downhill.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want people to watch your stuff... make it available to EVERYONE .
Let them do what they wish , else it will never get " out there " .
In the case where it is " out there " it 's an awful lot kinder to consumers , especially the honest ones who want to record your programmes .
My , my opinion of the BBC is going downhill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want people to watch your stuff... make it available to EVERYONE.
Let them do what they wish, else it will never get "out there".
In the case where it is "out there" it's an awful lot kinder to consumers, especially the honest ones who want to record your programmes.
My, my opinion of the BBC is going downhill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877166</id>
	<title>It's already DRMd</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1264333260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Freesat HD PVR. HD content is encrypted to the box (you can back it up but it won't play anywhere else). Some content is even flagged and won't even transfer. It must be part of the Freesat conformance requirements. Stuff is broadcast in the clear, so in theory I could use a generic DVB-S2 recorder but then I lose other Freesat features like the EPG.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Freesat HD PVR .
HD content is encrypted to the box ( you can back it up but it wo n't play anywhere else ) .
Some content is even flagged and wo n't even transfer .
It must be part of the Freesat conformance requirements .
Stuff is broadcast in the clear , so in theory I could use a generic DVB-S2 recorder but then I lose other Freesat features like the EPG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Freesat HD PVR.
HD content is encrypted to the box (you can back it up but it won't play anywhere else).
Some content is even flagged and won't even transfer.
It must be part of the Freesat conformance requirements.
Stuff is broadcast in the clear, so in theory I could use a generic DVB-S2 recorder but then I lose other Freesat features like the EPG.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877440</id>
	<title>Re:B@st@rds !</title>
	<author>teh kurisu</author>
	<datestamp>1264337880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Humax Foxsat HD Freesat receiver, and it can pick up any satellite channel as well. There's a 'Freesat mode' that can be turned off. I don't see why you'd want to though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Humax Foxsat HD Freesat receiver , and it can pick up any satellite channel as well .
There 's a 'Freesat mode ' that can be turned off .
I do n't see why you 'd want to though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Humax Foxsat HD Freesat receiver, and it can pick up any satellite channel as well.
There's a 'Freesat mode' that can be turned off.
I don't see why you'd want to though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877604</id>
	<title>Error in summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264340820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They'll still take our license fee money (or advertising) and sell us the content, but refuse to let us record or copy it, hoping we'll go out and buy the DVD/Blu-ray as well"<br>That's a LICENSE FEE for which you get a LICENSE to watch live TV.</p><p>The content is not "sold" to you, it's LICENSED. If you don't want LICENSED content, don't pay for a LICENSE.</p><p>The COPYRIGHT HOLDER who has the COPYRIGHT is the only person allowed to COPY it.</p><p>Understand now?</p><p>No, I thought not. This is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They 'll still take our license fee money ( or advertising ) and sell us the content , but refuse to let us record or copy it , hoping we 'll go out and buy the DVD/Blu-ray as well " That 's a LICENSE FEE for which you get a LICENSE to watch live TV.The content is not " sold " to you , it 's LICENSED .
If you do n't want LICENSED content , do n't pay for a LICENSE.The COPYRIGHT HOLDER who has the COPYRIGHT is the only person allowed to COPY it.Understand now ? No , I thought not .
This is / .
after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They'll still take our license fee money (or advertising) and sell us the content, but refuse to let us record or copy it, hoping we'll go out and buy the DVD/Blu-ray as well"That's a LICENSE FEE for which you get a LICENSE to watch live TV.The content is not "sold" to you, it's LICENSED.
If you don't want LICENSED content, don't pay for a LICENSE.The COPYRIGHT HOLDER who has the COPYRIGHT is the only person allowed to COPY it.Understand now?No, I thought not.
This is /.
after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30879468</id>
	<title>And then it will change name</title>
	<author>Snaller</author>
	<datestamp>1264356720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to Unfreeview</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to Unfreeview</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to Unfreeview</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30878462</id>
	<title>Re:It's already DRMd</title>
	<author>AndyS</author>
	<datestamp>1264350660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there really DRM on Freesat?</p><p>It doesn't work. I have freesat, and I have raw h264 transport streams sitting on my disk.</p><p>That said, I run mythtv, which seems to support it well.</p><p>Force alarm then - nothing to see here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there really DRM on Freesat ? It does n't work .
I have freesat , and I have raw h264 transport streams sitting on my disk.That said , I run mythtv , which seems to support it well.Force alarm then - nothing to see here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there really DRM on Freesat?It doesn't work.
I have freesat, and I have raw h264 transport streams sitting on my disk.That said, I run mythtv, which seems to support it well.Force alarm then - nothing to see here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877502</id>
	<title>Re:No free TV</title>
	<author>cyber-vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1264339200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop reading the right wing press and think for yourself. Stalinist my arse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop reading the right wing press and think for yourself .
Stalinist my arse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop reading the right wing press and think for yourself.
Stalinist my arse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30907636</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again!</title>
	<author>LordVader717</author>
	<datestamp>1264534140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no proper encryption as the programmes will still be available for free and unencrypted. With a smart receiver connected to the internet to access a program guide it won't be a problem. What it will do is screw up the functionality of simple receivers that want to record and display program information. It will prevent competition in the receiver market and make using unlicensed boxes awkward and unreliable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no proper encryption as the programmes will still be available for free and unencrypted .
With a smart receiver connected to the internet to access a program guide it wo n't be a problem .
What it will do is screw up the functionality of simple receivers that want to record and display program information .
It will prevent competition in the receiver market and make using unlicensed boxes awkward and unreliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no proper encryption as the programmes will still be available for free and unencrypted.
With a smart receiver connected to the internet to access a program guide it won't be a problem.
What it will do is screw up the functionality of simple receivers that want to record and display program information.
It will prevent competition in the receiver market and make using unlicensed boxes awkward and unreliable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877328</id>
	<title>SD output permitted unprotected</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264336020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I'm still opposed on principle but the details aren't as bad as the summary sounds.</p><p>1) Unprotected SD output is permitted for all content.<br>2) All content is broadcast unencrypted an can be received by any satellite receiver.</p><p>Even the listings data is not encrypted but it is compressed. The BBC claim copyright and trade secret rights in the table required to decompress the listings data. The same scheme has been used on Freesat for all it's listings data. The system and tables have been reverse engineered by the VDR and MythTV projects.</p><p>The main question about the system is whether there is any security or it just disables HD streaming outputs and multiple Blu-ray copies for users of Freeview labelled gear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 'm still opposed on principle but the details are n't as bad as the summary sounds.1 ) Unprotected SD output is permitted for all content.2 ) All content is broadcast unencrypted an can be received by any satellite receiver.Even the listings data is not encrypted but it is compressed .
The BBC claim copyright and trade secret rights in the table required to decompress the listings data .
The same scheme has been used on Freesat for all it 's listings data .
The system and tables have been reverse engineered by the VDR and MythTV projects.The main question about the system is whether there is any security or it just disables HD streaming outputs and multiple Blu-ray copies for users of Freeview labelled gear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I'm still opposed on principle but the details aren't as bad as the summary sounds.1) Unprotected SD output is permitted for all content.2) All content is broadcast unencrypted an can be received by any satellite receiver.Even the listings data is not encrypted but it is compressed.
The BBC claim copyright and trade secret rights in the table required to decompress the listings data.
The same scheme has been used on Freesat for all it's listings data.
The system and tables have been reverse engineered by the VDR and MythTV projects.The main question about the system is whether there is any security or it just disables HD streaming outputs and multiple Blu-ray copies for users of Freeview labelled gear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877286</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264335300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a tax. You're paying for the BBC (and Channel 4, a bit) like you pay for Sky/cable/whatever. Have you seen the state US television compared to ours? I know which system I vastly prefer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a tax .
You 're paying for the BBC ( and Channel 4 , a bit ) like you pay for Sky/cable/whatever .
Have you seen the state US television compared to ours ?
I know which system I vastly prefer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a tax.
You're paying for the BBC (and Channel 4, a bit) like you pay for Sky/cable/whatever.
Have you seen the state US television compared to ours?
I know which system I vastly prefer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877418</id>
	<title>Re:B@st@rds !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264337340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>* Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV, even though the size is the same, and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.</p></div><p>If I remember correctly, monitors are taxed at a different rate to TVs by the EU on import.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV , even though the size is the same , and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.If I remember correctly , monitors are taxed at a different rate to TVs by the EU on import .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>* Strangely the pc Full HD monitor costs less than a regular HD-TV, even though the size is the same, and the pc monitor deals with a higher refresh rates than a regular TV does.If I remember correctly, monitors are taxed at a different rate to TVs by the EU on import.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877618</id>
	<title>Does this mean that ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264341060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... Linux users that cannot view the DRM broadcasts won't have to pay the license fee?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Linux users that can not view the DRM broadcasts wo n't have to pay the license fee ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Linux users that cannot view the DRM broadcasts won't have to pay the license fee?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877188</id>
	<title>sex 3ith a cOCK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264333680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">So there are people a super-organised a nned to play Disappearing up its</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>So there are people a super-organised a nned to play Disappearing up its [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So there are people a super-organised a nned to play Disappearing up its [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30878572</id>
	<title>Re:B@st@rds !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264351260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Monitors cost less than TV's in the UK, as the import duty is lower on computer equipment (essential) than on Televisions (luxury items). iirc, its as much as 15\% difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Monitors cost less than TV 's in the UK , as the import duty is lower on computer equipment ( essential ) than on Televisions ( luxury items ) .
iirc , its as much as 15 \ % difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Monitors cost less than TV's in the UK, as the import duty is lower on computer equipment (essential) than on Televisions (luxury items).
iirc, its as much as 15\% difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30878198</id>
	<title>Re:B@st@rds !</title>
	<author>makomk</author>
	<datestamp>1264348200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They already have done. It was cracked within months by the developers of PVR software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They already have done .
It was cracked within months by the developers of PVR software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already have done.
It was cracked within months by the developers of PVR software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877962</id>
	<title>Free-As-In-BBC</title>
	<author>flaptrap</author>
	<datestamp>1264346100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought publication copyright expires someday, when the publication goes into the public domain - as in, free - but apparently following that law does not work for the copyright holders, or the government offices doing the broadcasting to the public.</p><p>I'm sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Citizenry, your copyright law has expired.</p><p>Good thing the stuff they show on TV is tailored to be of interest to the widest (read: dumbest) audience and a waste of time to those who enjoy writing computer software or, say, reading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought publication copyright expires someday , when the publication goes into the public domain - as in , free - but apparently following that law does not work for the copyright holders , or the government offices doing the broadcasting to the public.I 'm sorry , Mr. and Mrs. Citizenry , your copyright law has expired.Good thing the stuff they show on TV is tailored to be of interest to the widest ( read : dumbest ) audience and a waste of time to those who enjoy writing computer software or , say , reading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought publication copyright expires someday, when the publication goes into the public domain - as in, free - but apparently following that law does not work for the copyright holders, or the government offices doing the broadcasting to the public.I'm sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Citizenry, your copyright law has expired.Good thing the stuff they show on TV is tailored to be of interest to the widest (read: dumbest) audience and a waste of time to those who enjoy writing computer software or, say, reading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877942</id>
	<title>Re:RTFATWL</title>
	<author>RDW</author>
	<datestamp>1264345920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'In essence, if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech, the only thing you're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it's the BBC's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible.'</p><p>An built-in EPG is pretty fundamental to the way we use DTV boxes today. Any manufacturer that chose not to sign up the DRM would have to provide its own (which would need a net connection).</p><p>'Now that's not to say that someone in the government won't make it impossible to buy receivers that don't support this in the UK, but that's what China is for.'</p><p>I don't think this we'll be seeing rogue Chinese Freeview HD boxes any time soon. The DVB-T2 system is not widely used elsewhere, and the chipsets are expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'In essence , if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech , the only thing you 're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it 's the BBC 's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible .
'An built-in EPG is pretty fundamental to the way we use DTV boxes today .
Any manufacturer that chose not to sign up the DRM would have to provide its own ( which would need a net connection ) .
'Now that 's not to say that someone in the government wo n't make it impossible to buy receivers that do n't support this in the UK , but that 's what China is for .
'I do n't think this we 'll be seeing rogue Chinese Freeview HD boxes any time soon .
The DVB-T2 system is not widely used elsewhere , and the chipsets are expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'In essence, if you use a receiver without support for this DRM tech, the only thing you're going to lose access to is the Programme Listing data - it's the BBC's way of placating the drooling media execs with as little direct impact on consumers as possible.
'An built-in EPG is pretty fundamental to the way we use DTV boxes today.
Any manufacturer that chose not to sign up the DRM would have to provide its own (which would need a net connection).
'Now that's not to say that someone in the government won't make it impossible to buy receivers that don't support this in the UK, but that's what China is for.
'I don't think this we'll be seeing rogue Chinese Freeview HD boxes any time soon.
The DVB-T2 system is not widely used elsewhere, and the chipsets are expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_24_0025207.30877672</id>
	<title>Vote with your feet?</title>
	<author>ledow</author>
	<datestamp>1264342140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't like it?  Don't watch it.  Don't buy the equipment.  Don't support it.  Seems pretty simple.</p><p>Up until a year or so ago I was a TV licence payer in the UK - then I discovered that not having a TV didn't make any difference to my viewing habits i.e. there was nothing but shit on and the stuff I did want to see I could get other ways *legally* which, for the most part, didn't involve giving corporations money - BBC iPlayer etc. aren't subject to the license because that only covers having the capability to watch the programmes on British TV as they are broadcast - so you don't need a TV license, but get the same programmes.</p><p>And the things that are worth watching, I buy a DVD of (which I then rip, of course, but seeing as I "own" it, that's my decision).  I paid for Sky until it became a million channels of crap, ten minute advert breaks and re-re-re-re-re-peats of programmes.  I paid for a TV licence until the same thing happened and I realised I could just watch on iPlayer / ITV Player / 4od without (most of) the crap any time I liked.  Why *pay* for something you disagree with?  Voting with your feet is the most powerful commercial incentive for a large corporation... if you don't buy, say, a DAB radio, then they won't want to support it (that's what happening with DAB at the moment).  It's the same thing.  Stop giving your money to people you don't like... you don't go to buskers on the streets and say "I'll give you a pound, but only if you improve the way you play and correct the second note in the third stave..."... you either like it and pay for it, or you don't.  And the news is that millions of people *will* pay for it (HD seems to be an addiction even amongst my techie friends that I just don't understand).</p><p>Come on, people, if you have such ideals, take a sacrifice for them - stop watching and supporting media/hardware that is DRM if you feel so strongly about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't like it ?
Do n't watch it .
Do n't buy the equipment .
Do n't support it .
Seems pretty simple.Up until a year or so ago I was a TV licence payer in the UK - then I discovered that not having a TV did n't make any difference to my viewing habits i.e .
there was nothing but shit on and the stuff I did want to see I could get other ways * legally * which , for the most part , did n't involve giving corporations money - BBC iPlayer etc .
are n't subject to the license because that only covers having the capability to watch the programmes on British TV as they are broadcast - so you do n't need a TV license , but get the same programmes.And the things that are worth watching , I buy a DVD of ( which I then rip , of course , but seeing as I " own " it , that 's my decision ) .
I paid for Sky until it became a million channels of crap , ten minute advert breaks and re-re-re-re-re-peats of programmes .
I paid for a TV licence until the same thing happened and I realised I could just watch on iPlayer / ITV Player / 4od without ( most of ) the crap any time I liked .
Why * pay * for something you disagree with ?
Voting with your feet is the most powerful commercial incentive for a large corporation... if you do n't buy , say , a DAB radio , then they wo n't want to support it ( that 's what happening with DAB at the moment ) .
It 's the same thing .
Stop giving your money to people you do n't like... you do n't go to buskers on the streets and say " I 'll give you a pound , but only if you improve the way you play and correct the second note in the third stave... " ... you either like it and pay for it , or you do n't .
And the news is that millions of people * will * pay for it ( HD seems to be an addiction even amongst my techie friends that I just do n't understand ) .Come on , people , if you have such ideals , take a sacrifice for them - stop watching and supporting media/hardware that is DRM if you feel so strongly about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't like it?
Don't watch it.
Don't buy the equipment.
Don't support it.
Seems pretty simple.Up until a year or so ago I was a TV licence payer in the UK - then I discovered that not having a TV didn't make any difference to my viewing habits i.e.
there was nothing but shit on and the stuff I did want to see I could get other ways *legally* which, for the most part, didn't involve giving corporations money - BBC iPlayer etc.
aren't subject to the license because that only covers having the capability to watch the programmes on British TV as they are broadcast - so you don't need a TV license, but get the same programmes.And the things that are worth watching, I buy a DVD of (which I then rip, of course, but seeing as I "own" it, that's my decision).
I paid for Sky until it became a million channels of crap, ten minute advert breaks and re-re-re-re-re-peats of programmes.
I paid for a TV licence until the same thing happened and I realised I could just watch on iPlayer / ITV Player / 4od without (most of) the crap any time I liked.
Why *pay* for something you disagree with?
Voting with your feet is the most powerful commercial incentive for a large corporation... if you don't buy, say, a DAB radio, then they won't want to support it (that's what happening with DAB at the moment).
It's the same thing.
Stop giving your money to people you don't like... you don't go to buskers on the streets and say "I'll give you a pound, but only if you improve the way you play and correct the second note in the third stave..."... you either like it and pay for it, or you don't.
And the news is that millions of people *will* pay for it (HD seems to be an addiction even amongst my techie friends that I just don't understand).Come on, people, if you have such ideals, take a sacrifice for them - stop watching and supporting media/hardware that is DRM if you feel so strongly about it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>No free TV</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1264335660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The use of the word "free" in both Freeview and Freesat is deceptive IMHO as in the UK (as many of you know) you \_have\_ to pay for a TV License, if you don't you can't have a TV or anything resembling a terrestrial (analog or digital) receiver.  So no TV cards for your computer either.  It really is not even an issue of quality anymore, I used to use the argument that the only thing I watched on the BBC was Top Gear and local news and that's still true but I'd gladly pay a token amount per view for each of those I just have a moral objection to being forced to pay for a service that I largely do not use.  The fact is that if I stop paying my license I would eventually face prison time and a criminal record.  Is this right?  It really is more of an issue of freedom now than anything else.  If I want to pay for a subscription TV service then I will but nobody should be able to use coercion to force me to.  Imagine if a private company attempted the same techniques there would (rightfully) be an outcry!  The BBC is an outmoded, Stalinist model of public broadcasting and should be condemned to the history books as a way not to do things sooner rather than later.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The use of the word " free " in both Freeview and Freesat is deceptive IMHO as in the UK ( as many of you know ) you \ _have \ _ to pay for a TV License , if you do n't you ca n't have a TV or anything resembling a terrestrial ( analog or digital ) receiver .
So no TV cards for your computer either .
It really is not even an issue of quality anymore , I used to use the argument that the only thing I watched on the BBC was Top Gear and local news and that 's still true but I 'd gladly pay a token amount per view for each of those I just have a moral objection to being forced to pay for a service that I largely do not use .
The fact is that if I stop paying my license I would eventually face prison time and a criminal record .
Is this right ?
It really is more of an issue of freedom now than anything else .
If I want to pay for a subscription TV service then I will but nobody should be able to use coercion to force me to .
Imagine if a private company attempted the same techniques there would ( rightfully ) be an outcry !
The BBC is an outmoded , Stalinist model of public broadcasting and should be condemned to the history books as a way not to do things sooner rather than later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The use of the word "free" in both Freeview and Freesat is deceptive IMHO as in the UK (as many of you know) you \_have\_ to pay for a TV License, if you don't you can't have a TV or anything resembling a terrestrial (analog or digital) receiver.
So no TV cards for your computer either.
It really is not even an issue of quality anymore, I used to use the argument that the only thing I watched on the BBC was Top Gear and local news and that's still true but I'd gladly pay a token amount per view for each of those I just have a moral objection to being forced to pay for a service that I largely do not use.
The fact is that if I stop paying my license I would eventually face prison time and a criminal record.
Is this right?
It really is more of an issue of freedom now than anything else.
If I want to pay for a subscription TV service then I will but nobody should be able to use coercion to force me to.
Imagine if a private company attempted the same techniques there would (rightfully) be an outcry!
The BBC is an outmoded, Stalinist model of public broadcasting and should be condemned to the history books as a way not to do things sooner rather than later.</sentencetext>
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	<title>"Free"view .. uhm, right..</title>
	<author>cskau</author>
	<datestamp>1264354140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somebody really need to licence the word "free" and require any user to actually comply with a set of simple "free" standards rules to be allowed use of the word!
Seriously..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somebody really need to licence the word " free " and require any user to actually comply with a set of simple " free " standards rules to be allowed use of the word !
Seriously. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somebody really need to licence the word "free" and require any user to actually comply with a set of simple "free" standards rules to be allowed use of the word!
Seriously..</sentencetext>
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	<title>One of Steve Jobs greatest moments</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1264352880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now a lot of things Steve says are pure marketing noise, but he was right on the money <a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5939600/steve\_jobs\_the\_rolling\_stone\_interview/2" title="rollingstone.com">back in 2003</a> [rollingstone.com] when he said:</p><blockquote><div><p>The problem is, is that that has nothing to do with technology. And so when the Internet came along, and Napster came along, they didn't know what to make of it. A lot of these folks didn't use computers -- weren't on e-mail; didn't really know what Napster was for a few years. They were pretty doggone slow to react. Matter of fact, they still haven't really reacted, in many ways. And so they're fairly vulnerable to people telling them technical solutions will work, when they won't.</p><p><b>Because of their technological ignorance.</b><br>Because of their technological innocence, I would say. When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago. It took us 18 months. And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work. We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content.</p><p><b>Of course, music theft is nothing new. Didn't you listen to bootleg Bob Dylan?</b><br>Of course. What's new is this amazingly efficient distribution system for stolen property called the Internet -- and no one's gonna shut down the Internet. And it only takes one stolen copy to be on the Internet. And the way we expressed it to them is: Pick one lock -- open every door. It only takes one person to pick a lock. Worst case: Somebody just takes the analog outputs of their CD player and rerecords it -- puts it on the Internet. You'll never stop that. So what you have to do is compete with it.</p></div></blockquote><p>The ONLY thing that's making people think DRM will work for movies is that, just for the moment, movies are too big to throw around on the net like MP3s. But that's short term, and already eroding. It's like the first video games came out that needed CDs instead of floppies, you couldn't easily copy a CDROM, and CD images were too big to download over your dialup modem. That all changed, as media became bigger and bandwidth became cheaper, and downloading a CDs worth of data has been trivial for a long time. It's already happening to DVD, and it's going to happen to Blu-Ray as well.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Now a lot of things Steve says are pure marketing noise , but he was right on the money back in 2003 [ rollingstone.com ] when he said : The problem is , is that that has nothing to do with technology .
And so when the Internet came along , and Napster came along , they did n't know what to make of it .
A lot of these folks did n't use computers -- were n't on e-mail ; did n't really know what Napster was for a few years .
They were pretty doggone slow to react .
Matter of fact , they still have n't really reacted , in many ways .
And so they 're fairly vulnerable to people telling them technical solutions will work , when they wo n't.Because of their technological ignorance.Because of their technological innocence , I would say .
When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know , it was a while ago .
It took us 18 months .
And at first we said : None of this technology that you 're talking about 's gon na work .
We have Ph.D. 's here , that know the stuff cold , and we do n't believe it 's possible to protect digital content.Of course , music theft is nothing new .
Did n't you listen to bootleg Bob Dylan ? Of course .
What 's new is this amazingly efficient distribution system for stolen property called the Internet -- and no one 's gon na shut down the Internet .
And it only takes one stolen copy to be on the Internet .
And the way we expressed it to them is : Pick one lock -- open every door .
It only takes one person to pick a lock .
Worst case : Somebody just takes the analog outputs of their CD player and rerecords it -- puts it on the Internet .
You 'll never stop that .
So what you have to do is compete with it.The ONLY thing that 's making people think DRM will work for movies is that , just for the moment , movies are too big to throw around on the net like MP3s .
But that 's short term , and already eroding .
It 's like the first video games came out that needed CDs instead of floppies , you could n't easily copy a CDROM , and CD images were too big to download over your dialup modem .
That all changed , as media became bigger and bandwidth became cheaper , and downloading a CDs worth of data has been trivial for a long time .
It 's already happening to DVD , and it 's going to happen to Blu-Ray as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now a lot of things Steve says are pure marketing noise, but he was right on the money back in 2003 [rollingstone.com] when he said:The problem is, is that that has nothing to do with technology.
And so when the Internet came along, and Napster came along, they didn't know what to make of it.
A lot of these folks didn't use computers -- weren't on e-mail; didn't really know what Napster was for a few years.
They were pretty doggone slow to react.
Matter of fact, they still haven't really reacted, in many ways.
And so they're fairly vulnerable to people telling them technical solutions will work, when they won't.Because of their technological ignorance.Because of their technological innocence, I would say.
When we first went to talk to these record companies -- you know, it was a while ago.
It took us 18 months.
And at first we said: None of this technology that you're talking about's gonna work.
We have Ph.D.'s here, that know the stuff cold, and we don't believe it's possible to protect digital content.Of course, music theft is nothing new.
Didn't you listen to bootleg Bob Dylan?Of course.
What's new is this amazingly efficient distribution system for stolen property called the Internet -- and no one's gonna shut down the Internet.
And it only takes one stolen copy to be on the Internet.
And the way we expressed it to them is: Pick one lock -- open every door.
It only takes one person to pick a lock.
Worst case: Somebody just takes the analog outputs of their CD player and rerecords it -- puts it on the Internet.
You'll never stop that.
So what you have to do is compete with it.The ONLY thing that's making people think DRM will work for movies is that, just for the moment, movies are too big to throw around on the net like MP3s.
But that's short term, and already eroding.
It's like the first video games came out that needed CDs instead of floppies, you couldn't easily copy a CDROM, and CD images were too big to download over your dialup modem.
That all changed, as media became bigger and bandwidth became cheaper, and downloading a CDs worth of data has been trivial for a long time.
It's already happening to DVD, and it's going to happen to Blu-Ray as well.
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