<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_18_1930221</id>
	<title>Newton's Apple Story Goes Online</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1263805260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Although many historians are skeptical of the story, Rev. William Stukeley, a physician, cleric, and prominent antiquarian, wrote that he was once <a href="http://www.trivia-library.com/b/sir-isaac-newton-theory-of-gravity-and-the-falling-apple.htm">enjoying afternoon tea with Sir Isaac Newton</a> amid the Woolsthorpe apple trees when the mathematician reminisced that he was just in the same situation as when the notion of gravitation came into his mind. It was occasioned by the fall of an apple, as he sat in contemplative mood. The original version of the story of Sir Isaac Newton and the falling apple first appeared in Stukeley's 1752 biography, Memoirs of Sir Isaac Newton's Life.  Now BBC reports that UK's Royal Society has <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8461591.stm">converted the fragile manuscript into an electronic book</a>, which anybody with internet access will now be able to read and decide for themselves. 'The story of Newton and the apple, which had gradually become debunked over the years. It is now clear, it is based on a <a href="http://www.royalsociety.org/turning-the-pages/">conversation between Newton and Stukeley</a>,' says Martin Kemp, emeritus professor of the history of art at Oxford University's Trinity College. 'We needn't believe that the apple hit his head, but sitting in the orchard and seeing the apple fall triggered that work. It was a chance event that got him engaged with something he might have otherwise have shelved.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Although many historians are skeptical of the story , Rev .
William Stukeley , a physician , cleric , and prominent antiquarian , wrote that he was once enjoying afternoon tea with Sir Isaac Newton amid the Woolsthorpe apple trees when the mathematician reminisced that he was just in the same situation as when the notion of gravitation came into his mind .
It was occasioned by the fall of an apple , as he sat in contemplative mood .
The original version of the story of Sir Isaac Newton and the falling apple first appeared in Stukeley 's 1752 biography , Memoirs of Sir Isaac Newton 's Life .
Now BBC reports that UK 's Royal Society has converted the fragile manuscript into an electronic book , which anybody with internet access will now be able to read and decide for themselves .
'The story of Newton and the apple , which had gradually become debunked over the years .
It is now clear , it is based on a conversation between Newton and Stukeley, ' says Martin Kemp , emeritus professor of the history of art at Oxford University 's Trinity College .
'We need n't believe that the apple hit his head , but sitting in the orchard and seeing the apple fall triggered that work .
It was a chance event that got him engaged with something he might have otherwise have shelved .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Although many historians are skeptical of the story, Rev.
William Stukeley, a physician, cleric, and prominent antiquarian, wrote that he was once enjoying afternoon tea with Sir Isaac Newton amid the Woolsthorpe apple trees when the mathematician reminisced that he was just in the same situation as when the notion of gravitation came into his mind.
It was occasioned by the fall of an apple, as he sat in contemplative mood.
The original version of the story of Sir Isaac Newton and the falling apple first appeared in Stukeley's 1752 biography, Memoirs of Sir Isaac Newton's Life.
Now BBC reports that UK's Royal Society has converted the fragile manuscript into an electronic book, which anybody with internet access will now be able to read and decide for themselves.
'The story of Newton and the apple, which had gradually become debunked over the years.
It is now clear, it is based on a conversation between Newton and Stukeley,' says Martin Kemp, emeritus professor of the history of art at Oxford University's Trinity College.
'We needn't believe that the apple hit his head, but sitting in the orchard and seeing the apple fall triggered that work.
It was a chance event that got him engaged with something he might have otherwise have shelved.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813792</id>
	<title>Re:Blogs</title>
	<author>ultramk</author>
	<datestamp>1263815280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right, because <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Double-Helix-Personal-Discovery-Structure/dp/0451627873" title="amazon.com">nobody</a> [amazon.com] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Rosalind-Franklin-Dark-Lady-DNA/dp/0060985089/ref=pd\_sim\_b\_1" title="amazon.com">writes</a> [amazon.com] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Lucy-Beginnings-Humankind-Donald-Johanson/dp/0671724991" title="amazon.com">about</a> [amazon.com] <a href="http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/Weaving/" title="w3.org">stuff</a> [w3.org] <a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/features/billbryson/bb\_title/display.pperl?isbn=9780767908184" title="randomhouse.com">like</a> [randomhouse.com] <a href="http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record\_id=10375" title="nap.edu">that</a> [nap.edu] <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Connections-James-Burke/dp/0316116726" title="amazon.com">any</a> [amazon.com]  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Feynman-books/lm/ERCOUYEM6LIP6" title="amazon.com">more.</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>Hey man, just cause you're not reading them, doesn't mean they aren't being written. You also seem to think that writing is a zero-sum game: that the more is blogged, the less is published in a more permanent fashion. It just ain't so: today's blog is often just a more sharable and immediate addition to lab notes. The phrase is still "publish or perish", not "post or perish".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , because nobody [ amazon.com ] writes [ amazon.com ] about [ amazon.com ] stuff [ w3.org ] like [ randomhouse.com ] that [ nap.edu ] any [ amazon.com ] more .
[ amazon.com ] Hey man , just cause you 're not reading them , does n't mean they are n't being written .
You also seem to think that writing is a zero-sum game : that the more is blogged , the less is published in a more permanent fashion .
It just ai n't so : today 's blog is often just a more sharable and immediate addition to lab notes .
The phrase is still " publish or perish " , not " post or perish " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, because nobody [amazon.com] writes [amazon.com] about [amazon.com] stuff [w3.org] like [randomhouse.com] that [nap.edu] any [amazon.com]  more.
[amazon.com]Hey man, just cause you're not reading them, doesn't mean they aren't being written.
You also seem to think that writing is a zero-sum game: that the more is blogged, the less is published in a more permanent fashion.
It just ain't so: today's blog is often just a more sharable and immediate addition to lab notes.
The phrase is still "publish or perish", not "post or perish".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812766</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263810240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought it was about the PBS show.  With Ira Flatow</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it was about the PBS show .
With Ira Flatow</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it was about the PBS show.
With Ira Flatow</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812688</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263809880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP</b> </p><p> <i>DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway </i> </p><p>President timecop of the GNAA has died today. He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles. The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu. Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure. </p><p>In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations. The writing is on the wall, they say. The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time. The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years. </p><p> <b> DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA!!!!!!!</b> </p><p>With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead. But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.<br>"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet. The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike. The time for CHANGE is now." DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today. The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.<br>"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can\_flood for everyone." An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.</p><p> <b>KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!</b> </p><p>The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.<br>"KLULZ is behind him 100\% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency. May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties." This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.</p><p> <b>About President timecop</b> </p><p>DEAD.</p><p> <b>About DiKKy HearTiez </b> </p><p>The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY. Currently the new President of the new GNAA. He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats. Known for several epic trolls in his time. Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins. Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard. His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.</p><p> <b>About KLULZ</b> </p><p>KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others. KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez. With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18. Klulz radio can be heard at http://klulz.com/listen.pls</p><p> <b>About GNAA</b>:</p><p> <b>GNAA</b> (<i>GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) is the first<br>organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one<br>common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.</p><p>Are you <a href="http://klerck.org/spin.gif" title="klerck.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY</b> </a> [klerck.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.mugshots.org/sports/oj-simpson.jpg" title="mugshots.org" rel="nofollow"> <b>NIGGER</b> </a> [mugshots.org]?</p><p>Are you a <a href="http://www.gay-sex-access.com/gay-black-sex.jpg" title="gay-sex-access.com" rel="nofollow"> <b>GAY NIGGER</b> </a> [gay-sex-access.com]?</p><p>If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then <b>GNAA</b> (<i>GAY NIGGER<br>ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA</i>) might be exactly what you've been loo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin , Norway President timecop of the GNAA has died today .
He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo , Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles .
The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction , unfortunately he failed , instead devoting his internet carreer to animu .
Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure .
In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations .
The writing is on the wall , they say .
The GNAA smells worse than BSD , they say.They have said this for a long time .
The GNAA has lived , with a very faint pulse , for years .
DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA ! ! ! ! ! ! !
With the death of timecop still shocking our chats , not many are able to see ahead .
But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA .
" Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet .
The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike .
The time for CHANGE is now .
" DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza , Nigeria , earlier today .
The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location , following reports of a massive " Distributed Denial Of Service " attack on its previous location , making it unreliable .
" Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can \ _flood for everyone .
" An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference .
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency !
The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president .
" KLULZ is behind him 100 \ % and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible , we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency .
May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties .
" This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement .
About President timecop DEAD .
About DiKKy HearTiez The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY .
Currently the new President of the new GNAA .
He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats .
Known for several epic trolls in his time .
Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21 , who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins .
Also deeply involved in the war on blogs , and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard .
His leadership abilities , high iq and instoppable urge to troll , coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had .
About KLULZ KLULZ is the internets radio station , bringing you news about the GNAA , hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy , l0de , g0sp , jenk and many others .
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez .
With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18 .
Klulz radio can be heard at http : //klulz.com/listen.pls About GNAA : GNAA ( GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY NIGGERS.Are you GAY [ klerck.org ] ? Are you a NIGGER [ mugshots.org ] ? Are you a GAY NIGGER [ gay-sex-access.com ] ? If you answered " Yes " to all of the above questions , then GNAA ( GAY NIGGERASSOCIATION OF AMERICA ) might be exactly what you 've been loo</tokentext>
<sentencetext> GNAA REBORN UNDER NEW LEADERSHIP  DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway  President timecop of the GNAA has died today.
He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles.
The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu.
Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure.
In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations.
The writing is on the wall, they say.
The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time.
The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years.
DIKKY HEARTIEZ CLAIMS THE PRESIDENCY OF THE GNAA!!!!!!!
With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead.
But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.
"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet.
The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike.
The time for CHANGE is now.
" DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today.
The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.
"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can\_flood for everyone.
" An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!
The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.
"KLULZ is behind him 100\% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency.
May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties.
" This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.
About President timecop DEAD.
About DiKKy HearTiez  The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY.
Currently the new President of the new GNAA.
He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats.
Known for several epic trolls in his time.
Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins.
Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard.
His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.
About KLULZ KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others.
KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez.
With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18.
Klulz radio can be heard at http://klulz.com/listen.pls About GNAA: GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the firstorganization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for onecommon goal - being GAY NIGGERS.Are you  GAY  [klerck.org]?Are you a  NIGGER  [mugshots.org]?Are you a  GAY NIGGER  [gay-sex-access.com]?If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGERASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been loo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30816190</id>
	<title>Gravity</title>
	<author>MacWiz</author>
	<datestamp>1263837180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gravity is just the scientific way of saying the planet sucks. Newton was trying to avoid the plague at the time, which is why he was in his country home, if I'm not mistaken.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/The first sentence was sarcasm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//The second is just a random fact<nobr> <wbr></nobr>///No, I did not look it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gravity is just the scientific way of saying the planet sucks .
Newton was trying to avoid the plague at the time , which is why he was in his country home , if I 'm not mistaken .
/The first sentence was sarcasm //The second is just a random fact ///No , I did not look it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gravity is just the scientific way of saying the planet sucks.
Newton was trying to avoid the plague at the time, which is why he was in his country home, if I'm not mistaken.
/The first sentence was sarcasm //The second is just a random fact ///No, I did not look it up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813268</id>
	<title>back to Eden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263812700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>regardless of the story's veracity as fact, it is symbolically sound:</p><p>The fruit from the tree of knowledge, under the power of gravity, fell and struck Newton in the centre of his intellect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>regardless of the story 's veracity as fact , it is symbolically sound : The fruit from the tree of knowledge , under the power of gravity , fell and struck Newton in the centre of his intellect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>regardless of the story's veracity as fact, it is symbolically sound:The fruit from the tree of knowledge, under the power of gravity, fell and struck Newton in the centre of his intellect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813122</id>
	<title>Fortunately</title>
	<author>snarkh</author>
	<datestamp>1263811980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newton's apple was better received than Apple's Newton.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newton 's apple was better received than Apple 's Newton .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newton's apple was better received than Apple's Newton.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30814116</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263817140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can understand "It doesn't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not, so let's stop trying to decide if it really happened".</p><p>But I'm not so sure about "It doesn't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not, so let's claim it to be true". The argument about stories sounds worryingly close to the "They're just stories, honest" arguments made when religious people make claims about things being true, when we have no evidence for them.</p><p><i>Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things. Today's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors, of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.</i></p><p>So surely this is an example of where the truth <i>does</i> matter, and where it may be an issue for people to believe that "if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things" when actually that isn't true?</p><p>The thing that annoys me about the apple story is that it creates the impression that it's ideas that are important - it wasn't the insight, intellect and hard work in developing calculus and formulating a theory of gravity that mattered, rather that it all came in an instant with a single idea. It's this thought process that leads people to thinking that any idea they have is important - as opposed to what you do with it. It also leads to claims that ideas should be protected, for example, through copyright or patent law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand " It does n't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not , so let 's stop trying to decide if it really happened " .But I 'm not so sure about " It does n't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not , so let 's claim it to be true " .
The argument about stories sounds worryingly close to the " They 're just stories , honest " arguments made when religious people make claims about things being true , when we have no evidence for them.Specifically , the hope that if they are smart and study hard , they can achieve great things .
Today 's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors , of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.So surely this is an example of where the truth does matter , and where it may be an issue for people to believe that " if they are smart and study hard , they can achieve great things " when actually that is n't true ? The thing that annoys me about the apple story is that it creates the impression that it 's ideas that are important - it was n't the insight , intellect and hard work in developing calculus and formulating a theory of gravity that mattered , rather that it all came in an instant with a single idea .
It 's this thought process that leads people to thinking that any idea they have is important - as opposed to what you do with it .
It also leads to claims that ideas should be protected , for example , through copyright or patent law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand "It doesn't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not, so let's stop trying to decide if it really happened".But I'm not so sure about "It doesn't really matter if an apple hit him on the head or not, so let's claim it to be true".
The argument about stories sounds worryingly close to the "They're just stories, honest" arguments made when religious people make claims about things being true, when we have no evidence for them.Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things.
Today's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors, of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.So surely this is an example of where the truth does matter, and where it may be an issue for people to believe that "if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things" when actually that isn't true?The thing that annoys me about the apple story is that it creates the impression that it's ideas that are important - it wasn't the insight, intellect and hard work in developing calculus and formulating a theory of gravity that mattered, rather that it all came in an instant with a single idea.
It's this thought process that leads people to thinking that any idea they have is important - as opposed to what you do with it.
It also leads to claims that ideas should be protected, for example, through copyright or patent law.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30819128</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1263916320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The english way of capitalizing words in titles doesn't help either.</i></p><p>The English way of punctuating would have helped though:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; 'Newton's Apple' Story Goes Online</p><p>(and no, nobody cares that the quotes don't balance)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The english way of capitalizing words in titles does n't help either.The English way of punctuating would have helped though :     'Newton 's Apple ' Story Goes Online ( and no , nobody cares that the quotes do n't balance )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The english way of capitalizing words in titles doesn't help either.The English way of punctuating would have helped though:
    'Newton's Apple' Story Goes Online(and no, nobody cares that the quotes don't balance)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813674</id>
	<title>Re:Cue apple fanbois in 3 2 1</title>
	<author>BobNET</author>
	<datestamp>1263814620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I bet Newton's apple was a generic unnamed variety.</p></div></blockquote><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower\_of\_Kent" title="wikipedia.org">Flower of Kent</a> [wikipedia.org], maybe...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet Newton 's apple was a generic unnamed variety .
Flower of Kent [ wikipedia.org ] , maybe.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet Newton's apple was a generic unnamed variety.
Flower of Kent [wikipedia.org], maybe...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812948</id>
	<title>Imagine</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1263811020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine a beowulf cluster of falling apples....</p><p>Oh, this isnt about the Mac, is it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine a beowulf cluster of falling apples....Oh , this isnt about the Mac , is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine a beowulf cluster of falling apples....Oh, this isnt about the Mac, is it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812910</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263810900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually we do have evidence that the passengers of flight 93 tried to break into the cockpit, namely the flight recorders record the hijackers discussing the revolt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually we do have evidence that the passengers of flight 93 tried to break into the cockpit , namely the flight recorders record the hijackers discussing the revolt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually we do have evidence that the passengers of flight 93 tried to break into the cockpit, namely the flight recorders record the hijackers discussing the revolt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30814290</id>
	<title>"Multi-breasted female figure"</title>
	<author>Macblaster</author>
	<datestamp>1263818220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a more important mystery here than whether Newton actually saw an apple fall. Please see <a href="http://rs.onlineculture.co.uk/accessible/SpreadDetails.aspx?OrgID=19&amp;LangID=1&amp;o=1&amp;BookID=1807da00-909a-4abf-b9c1-0279a08e4bf2&amp;params=6" title="onlineculture.co.uk" rel="nofollow">this illustration in Stukeley's memoir</a> [onlineculture.co.uk].</p><p>The caption explains what I am seeing: "Newton&rsquo;s face is shown in profile, in the style of a medallion and supported by a multi-breasted female figure."</p><p>The caption does not explain why I am seeing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a more important mystery here than whether Newton actually saw an apple fall .
Please see this illustration in Stukeley 's memoir [ onlineculture.co.uk ] .The caption explains what I am seeing : " Newton    s face is shown in profile , in the style of a medallion and supported by a multi-breasted female figure .
" The caption does not explain why I am seeing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a more important mystery here than whether Newton actually saw an apple fall.
Please see this illustration in Stukeley's memoir [onlineculture.co.uk].The caption explains what I am seeing: "Newton’s face is shown in profile, in the style of a medallion and supported by a multi-breasted female figure.
"The caption does not explain why I am seeing it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813912</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>OldSoldier</author>
	<datestamp>1263815880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton, leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...</p><p>I didn't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events, as well as common sense.</p></div><p>Me too. And add another one... I also couldn't tell if it meant the background development of the TV show <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's\_Apple" title="wikipedia.org">"Newton's Apple"</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton , leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...I did n't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events , as well as common sense.Me too .
And add another one... I also could n't tell if it meant the background development of the TV show " Newton 's Apple " [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton, leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...I didn't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events, as well as common sense.Me too.
And add another one... I also couldn't tell if it meant the background development of the TV show "Newton's Apple" [wikipedia.org]
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	<title>Re:"Multi-breasted female figure"</title>
	<author>theGreater</author>
	<datestamp>1263842880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa\_Major#Mythology" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa\_Major#Mythology</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis#Artemis\_as\_the\_Lady\_of\_Ephesus" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis#Artemis\_as\_the\_Lady\_of\_Ephesus</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Short version -- Artemis as the Lady of Ephesus was depicted with "accessory breasts", and is related to the constellation Ursa via legend.  AFAICT it's just decoration.</p><p>FWIW,<br>-theGreater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa \ _Major # Mythology [ wikipedia.org ] http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis # Artemis \ _as \ _the \ _Lady \ _of \ _Ephesus [ wikipedia.org ] Short version -- Artemis as the Lady of Ephesus was depicted with " accessory breasts " , and is related to the constellation Ursa via legend .
AFAICT it 's just decoration.FWIW,-theGreater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursa\_Major#Mythology [wikipedia.org]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis#Artemis\_as\_the\_Lady\_of\_Ephesus [wikipedia.org]Short version -- Artemis as the Lady of Ephesus was depicted with "accessory breasts", and is related to the constellation Ursa via legend.
AFAICT it's just decoration.FWIW,-theGreater.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30814974</id>
	<title>Finally someone who can address the myth!</title>
	<author>Zero\_\_Kelvin</author>
	<datestamp>1263823440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant."</p></div></blockquote><p>I've suspected you were Melinda Gates for some time now, but this is the first time I have been unable to uncover any direct evidience.  Is it true that a computer fell on Bill's head and inspired him to discover the GUI and pay someone to write Windows?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" A lot of times , the truth is n't relevant .
" I 've suspected you were Melinda Gates for some time now , but this is the first time I have been unable to uncover any direct evidience .
Is it true that a computer fell on Bill 's head and inspired him to discover the GUI and pay someone to write Windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant.
"I've suspected you were Melinda Gates for some time now, but this is the first time I have been unable to uncover any direct evidience.
Is it true that a computer fell on Bill's head and inspired him to discover the GUI and pay someone to write Windows?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812786</id>
	<title>not news</title>
	<author>trb</author>
	<datestamp>1263810300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you web search for the text, you will find it quoted in various web pages and books (not all recent).
<p>
for example, search for this text:
</p><p>
"amidst other discourse he told me he was just in the same situation"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you web search for the text , you will find it quoted in various web pages and books ( not all recent ) .
for example , search for this text : " amidst other discourse he told me he was just in the same situation "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you web search for the text, you will find it quoted in various web pages and books (not all recent).
for example, search for this text:

"amidst other discourse he told me he was just in the same situation"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813416</id>
	<title>Berthold Brecht said, in Galileo</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1263813420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> "Ungl&#252;cklich das Land, das keinen Helden hat", entgegnet Galilei im Theaterst&#252;ck, "Ungl&#252;cklich das Land, das Helden n&#246;tig hat."<p>(Unlucky is the land that has no heroes....unlucky is the land that needs heroes". Sadly, the fact that the US has such a need of heroes points to something wrong in the US psyche. I have sometimes felt that the US need for heroes derives, in fact, from a fear caused by the lack of social security and medical security in the US. Social democracies like Sweden don't need heroes.</p><p>I would also add that sociological research says no such thing, and I challenge you to produce a list of reputable papers that suggest that IQ is not correlated with income or social class, other than popsci books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ungl   cklich das Land , das keinen Helden hat " , entgegnet Galilei im Theaterst   ck , " Ungl   cklich das Land , das Helden n   tig hat .
" ( Unlucky is the land that has no heroes....unlucky is the land that needs heroes " .
Sadly , the fact that the US has such a need of heroes points to something wrong in the US psyche .
I have sometimes felt that the US need for heroes derives , in fact , from a fear caused by the lack of social security and medical security in the US .
Social democracies like Sweden do n't need heroes.I would also add that sociological research says no such thing , and I challenge you to produce a list of reputable papers that suggest that IQ is not correlated with income or social class , other than popsci books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "Unglücklich das Land, das keinen Helden hat", entgegnet Galilei im Theaterstück, "Unglücklich das Land, das Helden nötig hat.
"(Unlucky is the land that has no heroes....unlucky is the land that needs heroes".
Sadly, the fact that the US has such a need of heroes points to something wrong in the US psyche.
I have sometimes felt that the US need for heroes derives, in fact, from a fear caused by the lack of social security and medical security in the US.
Social democracies like Sweden don't need heroes.I would also add that sociological research says no such thing, and I challenge you to produce a list of reputable papers that suggest that IQ is not correlated with income or social class, other than popsci books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30816870</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>sonamchauhan</author>
	<datestamp>1263933840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt, save a vague phone call. "</i></p><p>This statement has been comprehensively debunked in the thread below, and you would be wise to retract it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt , save a vague phone call .
" This statement has been comprehensively debunked in the thread below , and you would be wise to retract it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt, save a vague phone call.
"This statement has been comprehensively debunked in the thread below, and you would be wise to retract it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30820902</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>lfourrier</author>
	<datestamp>1263924060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I first (mis)read that the Newton App Store was going online</htmltext>
<tokenext>I first ( mis ) read that the Newton App Store was going online</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I first (mis)read that the Newton App Store was going online</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813162</id>
	<title>Cue apple fanbois in 3 2 1</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1263812100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm partial to Granny Smith, Pink Ladies, and Honeycrisp myself.  I bet Newton's apple was a generic unnamed variety.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm partial to Granny Smith , Pink Ladies , and Honeycrisp myself .
I bet Newton 's apple was a generic unnamed variety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm partial to Granny Smith, Pink Ladies, and Honeycrisp myself.
I bet Newton's apple was a generic unnamed variety.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812712</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263809940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And fanboys across the net are screaming due to the fact that the article doesn't make any reference to Steve Jobs or his holy grail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And fanboys across the net are screaming due to the fact that the article does n't make any reference to Steve Jobs or his holy grail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And fanboys across the net are screaming due to the fact that the article doesn't make any reference to Steve Jobs or his holy grail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813152</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1263812040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it gives me hope that living in denial is not such a bad thing as long as believing in fairy tales has some positive effect on society.</p></div><p>I know you're trying to be funny, but science isn't much different than other faith systems: It is a method of inquiry, it has certain things that are beyond question (axiomic), and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe. It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes, as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world. Even a broken model can yield useful results -- likewise for our cultural stories. They don't have to be based in fact to have relevance and value in our lives.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it gives me hope that living in denial is not such a bad thing as long as believing in fairy tales has some positive effect on society.I know you 're trying to be funny , but science is n't much different than other faith systems : It is a method of inquiry , it has certain things that are beyond question ( axiomic ) , and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe .
It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes , as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world .
Even a broken model can yield useful results -- likewise for our cultural stories .
They do n't have to be based in fact to have relevance and value in our lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it gives me hope that living in denial is not such a bad thing as long as believing in fairy tales has some positive effect on society.I know you're trying to be funny, but science isn't much different than other faith systems: It is a method of inquiry, it has certain things that are beyond question (axiomic), and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe.
It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes, as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world.
Even a broken model can yield useful results -- likewise for our cultural stories.
They don't have to be based in fact to have relevance and value in our lives.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812528</id>
	<title>Apple Newton</title>
	<author>Jazz-Masta</author>
	<datestamp>1263809100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton, leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...</p><p>I didn't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events, as well as common sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton , leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...I did n't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events , as well as common sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took me a couple minutes to realize the story was not about the Apple Newton, leading into the rumored Apple Tablet...I didn't realize technology had such a hold on my perception of current and past events, as well as common sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813580</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>AthanasiusKircher</author>
	<datestamp>1263814140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant.</p></div><p>Yes, like when you don't care about something.  This is a story that talks about whether something actually happened.  The truth matters in such a case.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It doesn't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not. What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery.</p></div><p>There are lots of wonderful, "colorful" stories in history.  We don't need to make them up to have examples of "the spirit of scientific discovery."</p><p><div class="quote"><p>It's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity, or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else (or made up).</p></div><p>Lots.  But if I want to know what Einstein <i>actually</i> thought about something, I want to know whether he actually said it.  That's a matter of history.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope. Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things.</p></div><p>Yeah... um, Einstein's story would be inspirational even if we didn't make things up about him or assign quotations to him that he didn't say.  So what's your point?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other: To convey our values. As far as I'm concerned, the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it didn't.</p></div><p>You know, you sort of have an argument here, but then you take it too far.  Certainly when we write history, we choose certain people to write about and certain stories to tell about them.  We choose certain facts out of the historical record to construct a narrative, and in the process, we might take some things out of context.</p><p>

But there's a difference between selecting some historical facts to construct a story and actually <i>making stories up</i> out of events <i>that didn't happen</i>.</p><p>

Historians sometimes get it wrong.  But the reasoning of "well, we can just make up a story about history to express our values" is what starts you down the slippery slope to rewriting history for political reasons, burning history books, and even things like holocaust denial.</p><p>

I know you would probably say that's exaggeration.  But if you give up the idea of a "historical fact," where do you actually draw the line?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of times , the truth is n't relevant.Yes , like when you do n't care about something .
This is a story that talks about whether something actually happened .
The truth matters in such a case.It does n't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not .
What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery.There are lots of wonderful , " colorful " stories in history .
We do n't need to make them up to have examples of " the spirit of scientific discovery .
" It 's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity , or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else ( or made up ) .Lots .
But if I want to know what Einstein actually thought about something , I want to know whether he actually said it .
That 's a matter of history.The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope .
Specifically , the hope that if they are smart and study hard , they can achieve great things.Yeah... um , Einstein 's story would be inspirational even if we did n't make things up about him or assign quotations to him that he did n't say .
So what 's your point ? We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other : To convey our values .
As far as I 'm concerned , the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it did n't.You know , you sort of have an argument here , but then you take it too far .
Certainly when we write history , we choose certain people to write about and certain stories to tell about them .
We choose certain facts out of the historical record to construct a narrative , and in the process , we might take some things out of context .
But there 's a difference between selecting some historical facts to construct a story and actually making stories up out of events that did n't happen .
Historians sometimes get it wrong .
But the reasoning of " well , we can just make up a story about history to express our values " is what starts you down the slippery slope to rewriting history for political reasons , burning history books , and even things like holocaust denial .
I know you would probably say that 's exaggeration .
But if you give up the idea of a " historical fact , " where do you actually draw the line ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant.Yes, like when you don't care about something.
This is a story that talks about whether something actually happened.
The truth matters in such a case.It doesn't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not.
What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery.There are lots of wonderful, "colorful" stories in history.
We don't need to make them up to have examples of "the spirit of scientific discovery.
"It's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity, or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else (or made up).Lots.
But if I want to know what Einstein actually thought about something, I want to know whether he actually said it.
That's a matter of history.The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope.
Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things.Yeah... um, Einstein's story would be inspirational even if we didn't make things up about him or assign quotations to him that he didn't say.
So what's your point?We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other: To convey our values.
As far as I'm concerned, the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it didn't.You know, you sort of have an argument here, but then you take it too far.
Certainly when we write history, we choose certain people to write about and certain stories to tell about them.
We choose certain facts out of the historical record to construct a narrative, and in the process, we might take some things out of context.
But there's a difference between selecting some historical facts to construct a story and actually making stories up out of events that didn't happen.
Historians sometimes get it wrong.
But the reasoning of "well, we can just make up a story about history to express our values" is what starts you down the slippery slope to rewriting history for political reasons, burning history books, and even things like holocaust denial.
I know you would probably say that's exaggeration.
But if you give up the idea of a "historical fact," where do you actually draw the line?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813016</id>
	<title>Trinity College ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263811440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... is at Cambridge, not Oxford.</p><p>Unless there's another one hiding in there somewhere, I dunno.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... is at Cambridge , not Oxford.Unless there 's another one hiding in there somewhere , I dunno .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... is at Cambridge, not Oxford.Unless there's another one hiding in there somewhere, I dunno.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30819828</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>SleazyRidr</author>
	<datestamp>1263919560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be fair though, I'd think a story about the Apple Newton would be more likely than a story that happened hundreds of years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair though , I 'd think a story about the Apple Newton would be more likely than a story that happened hundreds of years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair though, I'd think a story about the Apple Newton would be more likely than a story that happened hundreds of years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813398</id>
	<title>I for one, will buy it</title>
	<author>nilbog</author>
	<datestamp>1263813300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man the rumors on this new force thing are really ramping up leading up to Apple's expected event at the end of the month.  I've heard some people claim that it is a whole new force while others are just complaining "aww... it's just another form of the same old electromagnetism we've seen."</p><p>Whatever it is, Apple doesn't disappoint very often.  I've heard speculation that they'll be calling it "iGravity" or something similar.  Now this headline is saying that it will go online somehow.  I can't wait!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man the rumors on this new force thing are really ramping up leading up to Apple 's expected event at the end of the month .
I 've heard some people claim that it is a whole new force while others are just complaining " aww... it 's just another form of the same old electromagnetism we 've seen .
" Whatever it is , Apple does n't disappoint very often .
I 've heard speculation that they 'll be calling it " iGravity " or something similar .
Now this headline is saying that it will go online somehow .
I ca n't wait !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man the rumors on this new force thing are really ramping up leading up to Apple's expected event at the end of the month.
I've heard some people claim that it is a whole new force while others are just complaining "aww... it's just another form of the same old electromagnetism we've seen.
"Whatever it is, Apple doesn't disappoint very often.
I've heard speculation that they'll be calling it "iGravity" or something similar.
Now this headline is saying that it will go online somehow.
I can't wait!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813198</id>
	<title>Again?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263812280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me or every other slashdot story is about apple?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me or every other slashdot story is about apple ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me or every other slashdot story is about apple?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812746</id>
	<title>Neil DeGrasse Tyson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263810060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Listen to what Neil DeGrasse Tyson has to say about Newton:</p><p><a href="http://bigthink.com/ideas/13154" title="bigthink.com" rel="nofollow">Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the Genius of Sir Isaac Newton</a> [bigthink.com]</p><p>I 100\% agree. BTW you should look into Tyson's works too. He's a pretty intelligent, smart person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Listen to what Neil DeGrasse Tyson has to say about Newton : Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the Genius of Sir Isaac Newton [ bigthink.com ] I 100 \ % agree .
BTW you should look into Tyson 's works too .
He 's a pretty intelligent , smart person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Listen to what Neil DeGrasse Tyson has to say about Newton:Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the Genius of Sir Isaac Newton [bigthink.com]I 100\% agree.
BTW you should look into Tyson's works too.
He's a pretty intelligent, smart person.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813130</id>
	<title>This FP For GNAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263811980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">the 'community' it's going, Cusers', BigAzz, THAN A FRACTION</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>the 'community ' it 's going , Cusers ' , BigAzz , THAN A FRACTION [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the 'community' it's going, Cusers', BigAzz, THAN A FRACTION [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30817298</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>idji</author>
	<datestamp>1263895860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think you believe the Bible too, all of it - including the first page. Or this is your consolation why the "others" believe the Bible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you believe the Bible too , all of it - including the first page .
Or this is your consolation why the " others " believe the Bible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you believe the Bible too, all of it - including the first page.
Or this is your consolation why the "others" believe the Bible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812942</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263811020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/~girlintraining" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">girlintraining</a> [slashdot.org], you are my hero. Actually, you're not, but that's irrelevant, the point is that I could have predicted 99\% of the posts in this thread, but your post was refreshingly different, it gives me hope that living in denial is not such a bad thing as long as believing in fairy tales has some positive effect on society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>girlintraining [ slashdot.org ] , you are my hero .
Actually , you 're not , but that 's irrelevant , the point is that I could have predicted 99 \ % of the posts in this thread , but your post was refreshingly different , it gives me hope that living in denial is not such a bad thing as long as believing in fairy tales has some positive effect on society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>girlintraining [slashdot.org], you are my hero.
Actually, you're not, but that's irrelevant, the point is that I could have predicted 99\% of the posts in this thread, but your post was refreshingly different, it gives me hope that living in denial is not such a bad thing as long as believing in fairy tales has some positive effect on society.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30814152</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263817320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It is a method of inquiry, it has certain things that are beyond question (axiomic), and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe.</i></p><p>So not at all like religion, which doesn't inquire, and doesnt answer those questions.</p><p><i>It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes, as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world. </i></p><p>There is no belief. Presumably you're referring to the thought experiment in quantum mechanics which is just that, a thought experiement. No one claims this cat in a box exists. And the claims about what might happen in that experiment are supported by overwhelming amounts of evidence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is a method of inquiry , it has certain things that are beyond question ( axiomic ) , and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe.So not at all like religion , which does n't inquire , and doesnt answer those questions.It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes , as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world .
There is no belief .
Presumably you 're referring to the thought experiment in quantum mechanics which is just that , a thought experiement .
No one claims this cat in a box exists .
And the claims about what might happen in that experiment are supported by overwhelming amounts of evidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is a method of inquiry, it has certain things that are beyond question (axiomic), and it seeks to answer fundamental questions about the universe.So not at all like religion, which doesn't inquire, and doesnt answer those questions.It also believes in fairy tales like zombie cats in boxes, as a way of conveying values and knowledge of the world.
There is no belief.
Presumably you're referring to the thought experiment in quantum mechanics which is just that, a thought experiement.
No one claims this cat in a box exists.
And the claims about what might happen in that experiment are supported by overwhelming amounts of evidence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813840</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1263815520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now that you mention it: The Newton's character recognition results do look a lot like the writer was hit in the head by a falling object.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that you mention it : The Newton 's character recognition results do look a lot like the writer was hit in the head by a falling object .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that you mention it: The Newton's character recognition results do look a lot like the writer was hit in the head by a falling object.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813608</id>
	<title>Re:Blogs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263814260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Several Archiving agencies crawl blogs<br>2) several companies attempt to back this information on to human readable storage, such as microfiche, paper and the like. (human readable without computers to be precise)<br>Some have even went as far as creating a disc writer that literally burns the data on to the disc for long term storage. (and using tougher materials for the disc of course)<br>This won't help if computers get destroyed and we got sent back in to the "stupid" ages, but when you consider that, i don't think many people would care much about someone's rant on Avatar.<br>3) We have even more efficient ways of writing now, it is called the printer.  And a lot of people still print documentation, politics, current events, etc.<br>Newspapers alone are one of the largest archives of current goings-on these days. (even if some are corrupt)<br>And again, printing someone's thoughts on Avatar or the countless other trillion pointless thoughts that go through peoples blogs each day, i think i would have to file this one under Not An Issue.<br>I can't see historians in 100-200+ years time caring in the slightest that Tony247 was unhappy with the 4th Spiderman movie, or that JessicaHotStuff hates men and is going lesbian. The general popularity of films is already listed in paper now, as are countless reviews.<br>Just because someone can speak to X listeners, doesn't mean what they say has any worth, just look at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/ on 4chan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Several Archiving agencies crawl blogs2 ) several companies attempt to back this information on to human readable storage , such as microfiche , paper and the like .
( human readable without computers to be precise ) Some have even went as far as creating a disc writer that literally burns the data on to the disc for long term storage .
( and using tougher materials for the disc of course ) This wo n't help if computers get destroyed and we got sent back in to the " stupid " ages , but when you consider that , i do n't think many people would care much about someone 's rant on Avatar.3 ) We have even more efficient ways of writing now , it is called the printer .
And a lot of people still print documentation , politics , current events , etc.Newspapers alone are one of the largest archives of current goings-on these days .
( even if some are corrupt ) And again , printing someone 's thoughts on Avatar or the countless other trillion pointless thoughts that go through peoples blogs each day , i think i would have to file this one under Not An Issue.I ca n't see historians in 100-200 + years time caring in the slightest that Tony247 was unhappy with the 4th Spiderman movie , or that JessicaHotStuff hates men and is going lesbian .
The general popularity of films is already listed in paper now , as are countless reviews.Just because someone can speak to X listeners , does n't mean what they say has any worth , just look at /b/ on 4chan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Several Archiving agencies crawl blogs2) several companies attempt to back this information on to human readable storage, such as microfiche, paper and the like.
(human readable without computers to be precise)Some have even went as far as creating a disc writer that literally burns the data on to the disc for long term storage.
(and using tougher materials for the disc of course)This won't help if computers get destroyed and we got sent back in to the "stupid" ages, but when you consider that, i don't think many people would care much about someone's rant on Avatar.3) We have even more efficient ways of writing now, it is called the printer.
And a lot of people still print documentation, politics, current events, etc.Newspapers alone are one of the largest archives of current goings-on these days.
(even if some are corrupt)And again, printing someone's thoughts on Avatar or the countless other trillion pointless thoughts that go through peoples blogs each day, i think i would have to file this one under Not An Issue.I can't see historians in 100-200+ years time caring in the slightest that Tony247 was unhappy with the 4th Spiderman movie, or that JessicaHotStuff hates men and is going lesbian.
The general popularity of films is already listed in paper now, as are countless reviews.Just because someone can speak to X listeners, doesn't mean what they say has any worth, just look at /b/ on 4chan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30821166</id>
	<title>Re:It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>Mr. Slippery</author>
	<datestamp>1263925080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So not at all like religion, which doesn't inquire, and doesnt answer those questions.</p></div></blockquote><p>The histories of some religions are full of inquiry -- Thomas Aquinas in Catholicism comes to mind. And most religions answer fundamental questions. Now, they may have been doing the inquiry in a way that's not back by empirical reasoning ("I was wondering about XYZ, so I looked it up in the Bible, and I prayed really hard") and so get answers that are wrong ("God did it"), but religion most definitely can feature inquiry about fundamental questions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So not at all like religion , which does n't inquire , and doesnt answer those questions.The histories of some religions are full of inquiry -- Thomas Aquinas in Catholicism comes to mind .
And most religions answer fundamental questions .
Now , they may have been doing the inquiry in a way that 's not back by empirical reasoning ( " I was wondering about XYZ , so I looked it up in the Bible , and I prayed really hard " ) and so get answers that are wrong ( " God did it " ) , but religion most definitely can feature inquiry about fundamental questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So not at all like religion, which doesn't inquire, and doesnt answer those questions.The histories of some religions are full of inquiry -- Thomas Aquinas in Catholicism comes to mind.
And most religions answer fundamental questions.
Now, they may have been doing the inquiry in a way that's not back by empirical reasoning ("I was wondering about XYZ, so I looked it up in the Bible, and I prayed really hard") and so get answers that are wrong ("God did it"), but religion most definitely can feature inquiry about fundamental questions.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813794</id>
	<title>This is why ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1263815280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... gravity wsn't discovered by a Hawaiian scientist. It would have been a coconut and he would have been killed when it hit his head. No theory of gravity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... gravity ws n't discovered by a Hawaiian scientist .
It would have been a coconut and he would have been killed when it hit his head .
No theory of gravity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... gravity wsn't discovered by a Hawaiian scientist.
It would have been a coconut and he would have been killed when it hit his head.
No theory of gravity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812826</id>
	<title>My eyes!</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1263810480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All those s/f things make my eyes bleed.  I'm glad that dropped out of modern handwriting, but the new s isn't much better.</p><p>Die, handwriting cursive script.  Block letters or fancy computer fonts for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All those s/f things make my eyes bleed .
I 'm glad that dropped out of modern handwriting , but the new s is n't much better.Die , handwriting cursive script .
Block letters or fancy computer fonts for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All those s/f things make my eyes bleed.
I'm glad that dropped out of modern handwriting, but the new s isn't much better.Die, handwriting cursive script.
Block letters or fancy computer fonts for everyone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30814982</id>
	<title>Another example: "God"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263823500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No proof he/she/it exists, but sometimes this construct can be used to do good.</p><p>The keyword here: SOMETIMES.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No proof he/she/it exists , but sometimes this construct can be used to do good.The keyword here : SOMETIMES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No proof he/she/it exists, but sometimes this construct can be used to do good.The keyword here: SOMETIMES.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813046</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263811620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The english way of capitalizing words in titles doesn't help either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The english way of capitalizing words in titles does n't help either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The english way of capitalizing words in titles doesn't help either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812898</id>
	<title>Blogs</title>
	<author>symes</author>
	<datestamp>1263810840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the problem with the modern world. No one will write books about how important events unfolded, how chance occurrences led great minds to think through problems in new ways, and where and how the great and the good were inspired. Stuff just gets blogged, lost in an electronic ocean of mediocrity and then accidentially deleted. The next generations are just going to be left with incompatible file formats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the problem with the modern world .
No one will write books about how important events unfolded , how chance occurrences led great minds to think through problems in new ways , and where and how the great and the good were inspired .
Stuff just gets blogged , lost in an electronic ocean of mediocrity and then accidentially deleted .
The next generations are just going to be left with incompatible file formats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the problem with the modern world.
No one will write books about how important events unfolded, how chance occurrences led great minds to think through problems in new ways, and where and how the great and the good were inspired.
Stuff just gets blogged, lost in an electronic ocean of mediocrity and then accidentially deleted.
The next generations are just going to be left with incompatible file formats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813836</id>
	<title>Re:Blogs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263815520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You seem to be leveling the impression that the immodern world was a paragon of record-keeping and preservation. I don't think that's actually the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to be leveling the impression that the immodern world was a paragon of record-keeping and preservation .
I do n't think that 's actually the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to be leveling the impression that the immodern world was a paragon of record-keeping and preservation.
I don't think that's actually the case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813812</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Newton</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1263815460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It took me a couple of minutes to realize the story was not about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's\_Apple" title="wikipedia.org">Television</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fqj4sYeTgSA" title="youtube.com">Show.</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took me a couple of minutes to realize the story was not about the Television [ wikipedia.org ] Show .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took me a couple of minutes to realize the story was not about the Television [wikipedia.org] Show.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30812678</id>
	<title>ZOMG Teh Fanbois!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263809820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, great.  Now cue forty-six posts whining about "Apple Fanbois."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , great .
Now cue forty-six posts whining about " Apple Fanbois .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, great.
Now cue forty-six posts whining about "Apple Fanbois.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_18_1930221.30813620</id>
	<title>Re:Cue apple fanbois in 3 2 1</title>
	<author>filthpickle</author>
	<datestamp>1263814320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Red and yellow speckled skin on an apple is saying "come here monkey...this tastes good".<br>
<br>
red delicious my ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Red and yellow speckled skin on an apple is saying " come here monkey...this tastes good " .
red delicious my ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Red and yellow speckled skin on an apple is saying "come here monkey...this tastes good".
red delicious my ass.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It doesn't matter what the truth is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263810120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant. We have made many heroes in society, and we didn't do it for them: We did it for ourselves. A lot of people we call heroes don't deserve it. Many of them didn't do anything at all. For example, United Airlines Flight 93: We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt, save a vague phone call. But we deified them into heroes after the tragedy as a symbol of hope. It doesn't matter whether the story is true or not. We needed something to symbolize strength and found it there.</p><p>It doesn't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not. What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery. It's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity, or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else (or made up). The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope. Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things. Today's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors, of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.</p><p>We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other: To convey our values. As far as I'm concerned, the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it didn't.</p></div>
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<tokenext>A lot of times , the truth is n't relevant .
We have made many heroes in society , and we did n't do it for them : We did it for ourselves .
A lot of people we call heroes do n't deserve it .
Many of them did n't do anything at all .
For example , United Airlines Flight 93 : We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt , save a vague phone call .
But we deified them into heroes after the tragedy as a symbol of hope .
It does n't matter whether the story is true or not .
We needed something to symbolize strength and found it there.It does n't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not .
What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery .
It 's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity , or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else ( or made up ) .
The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope .
Specifically , the hope that if they are smart and study hard , they can achieve great things .
Today 's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors , of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other : To convey our values .
As far as I 'm concerned , the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it did n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of times, the truth isn't relevant.
We have made many heroes in society, and we didn't do it for them: We did it for ourselves.
A lot of people we call heroes don't deserve it.
Many of them didn't do anything at all.
For example, United Airlines Flight 93: We have o objective proof of any kind that the passengers staged any kind of revolt, save a vague phone call.
But we deified them into heroes after the tragedy as a symbol of hope.
It doesn't matter whether the story is true or not.
We needed something to symbolize strength and found it there.It doesn't matter if the Apple hit Newton on the head or not.
What matters is that it is a colorful story that explains the spirit of scientific discovery.
It's the same with Einstein -- how many different ways has popular culture misattributed his discovery of the theory of relativity, or attributed a quote to Einstein that was really by somebody else (or made up).
The story of Einstein endures as much because of his scientific achievement as because of popular culture stories that give people hope.
Specifically, the hope that if they are smart and study hard, they can achieve great things.
Today's sociological research rejects the contention that intelligence has any real bearing on success -- success is a combination of factors, of which intelligence can sometimes help a person.We use stories and heroes in scientific literature the same as in any other: To convey our values.
As far as I'm concerned, the Apple hit Newton on the head--even if it didn't.
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	<title>There is no apple...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263809640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then you'll see, it is not the apple that falls, it is only yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then you 'll see , it is not the apple that falls , it is only yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then you'll see, it is not the apple that falls, it is only yourself.</sentencetext>
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