<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_16_1718208</id>
	<title>China Begins Monitoring Billions of Text Messages</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263665760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"The Telegraph is reporting that China has <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/6996885/China-begins-monitoring-billions-of-text-messages-as-censorship-increases.html">begun monitoring 'billions of text messages'</a> in order to increase censorship.  However, a People's Daily article <a href="http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90882/6870220.html">claims they only monitor users who have been reported</a>, and only shut down their message service if the complaints are true.  Anything considered pornographic will require the user to bring a letter of guarantee to the local public security bureau promising to never again send such messages before service can be reactivated."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " The Telegraph is reporting that China has begun monitoring 'billions of text messages ' in order to increase censorship .
However , a People 's Daily article claims they only monitor users who have been reported , and only shut down their message service if the complaints are true .
Anything considered pornographic will require the user to bring a letter of guarantee to the local public security bureau promising to never again send such messages before service can be reactivated .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "The Telegraph is reporting that China has begun monitoring 'billions of text messages' in order to increase censorship.
However, a People's Daily article claims they only monitor users who have been reported, and only shut down their message service if the complaints are true.
Anything considered pornographic will require the user to bring a letter of guarantee to the local public security bureau promising to never again send such messages before service can be reactivated.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792988</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263635400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually a very appropriate, even polite, method of communication in many circumstances. One that doesn't scream at you "ANSWER NOW! I DEMAND TO TALK TO YOU <b>RIGHT NOW!!!</b>"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually a very appropriate , even polite , method of communication in many circumstances .
One that does n't scream at you " ANSWER NOW !
I DEMAND TO TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW ! ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually a very appropriate, even polite, method of communication in many circumstances.
One that doesn't scream at you "ANSWER NOW!
I DEMAND TO TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW!!!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792470</id>
	<title>Anyone got a chinese phone book?</title>
	<author>gimmebeer</author>
	<datestamp>1263674220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's txt some pr0n to some mayors and gov't officials to see what happens...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's txt some pr0n to some mayors and gov't officials to see what happens.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's txt some pr0n to some mayors and gov't officials to see what happens...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791870</id>
	<title>Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>Kanel</author>
	<datestamp>1263669660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>private text messages are being recorded in the US as well, by the government and possibly private enterprises too. Recall the text messages sent on 9/11, which was posted anonymously on wikileaks.org.

The only difference between the west and china is that they act upon the monitored data more extensively, the breach of privacy is the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>private text messages are being recorded in the US as well , by the government and possibly private enterprises too .
Recall the text messages sent on 9/11 , which was posted anonymously on wikileaks.org .
The only difference between the west and china is that they act upon the monitored data more extensively , the breach of privacy is the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>private text messages are being recorded in the US as well, by the government and possibly private enterprises too.
Recall the text messages sent on 9/11, which was posted anonymously on wikileaks.org.
The only difference between the west and china is that they act upon the monitored data more extensively, the breach of privacy is the same.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792096</id>
	<title>Logistics</title>
	<author>adbge</author>
	<datestamp>1263671220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ethical concerns aside, it would be extremely interesting to see how censorship on this large of a scale is implemented. </p><p>I wonder how effective automated modern systems will be at filtering, and how much of the censorship will have to rely on human employees. Total cost? Effectiveness? Cultural implications?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ethical concerns aside , it would be extremely interesting to see how censorship on this large of a scale is implemented .
I wonder how effective automated modern systems will be at filtering , and how much of the censorship will have to rely on human employees .
Total cost ?
Effectiveness ? Cultural implications ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ethical concerns aside, it would be extremely interesting to see how censorship on this large of a scale is implemented.
I wonder how effective automated modern systems will be at filtering, and how much of the censorship will have to rely on human employees.
Total cost?
Effectiveness? Cultural implications?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792004</id>
	<title>They monitor Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese government requires every Slashdot subscriber to send an official letter of apology, and promise never to read Slashdot again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese government requires every Slashdot subscriber to send an official letter of apology , and promise never to read Slashdot again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese government requires every Slashdot subscriber to send an official letter of apology, and promise never to read Slashdot again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30796556</id>
	<title>Echelon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263759420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny nobody mentioned Echelon?</p><p>So the Chinese has finally caught up to where the US was, maybe, 20 years ago?</p><p>Where was the outrage in the US over Echelon in past 20 years?  May be the US citizens are more ok with US govt spying on them, than for Chinese govt spying on Chinese people?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny nobody mentioned Echelon ? So the Chinese has finally caught up to where the US was , maybe , 20 years ago ? Where was the outrage in the US over Echelon in past 20 years ?
May be the US citizens are more ok with US govt spying on them , than for Chinese govt spying on Chinese people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny nobody mentioned Echelon?So the Chinese has finally caught up to where the US was, maybe, 20 years ago?Where was the outrage in the US over Echelon in past 20 years?
May be the US citizens are more ok with US govt spying on them, than for Chinese govt spying on Chinese people?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793094</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>vampire\_baozi</author>
	<datestamp>1263636300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>140 characters is a lot in Chinese.  While most phones are not limited to so few characters anymore, even if they were, you can cram a lot of information into 140 Chinese characters. Easily enough to plan riots; the anti-Japanese riots several years back were orchestrated and planned almost exclusively over SMS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>140 characters is a lot in Chinese .
While most phones are not limited to so few characters anymore , even if they were , you can cram a lot of information into 140 Chinese characters .
Easily enough to plan riots ; the anti-Japanese riots several years back were orchestrated and planned almost exclusively over SMS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>140 characters is a lot in Chinese.
While most phones are not limited to so few characters anymore, even if they were, you can cram a lot of information into 140 Chinese characters.
Easily enough to plan riots; the anti-Japanese riots several years back were orchestrated and planned almost exclusively over SMS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791950</id>
	<title>America has been doing this for 15 years now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>about friggin time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>about friggin time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>about friggin time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30801490</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder how far they can push it</title>
	<author>snookumz</author>
	<datestamp>1263724920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People don't usually revolt while the economy is okay, and it's been getting better for the average Chinese citizen with a cell phone for the last two decades.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People do n't usually revolt while the economy is okay , and it 's been getting better for the average Chinese citizen with a cell phone for the last two decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People don't usually revolt while the economy is okay, and it's been getting better for the average Chinese citizen with a cell phone for the last two decades.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792090</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792620</id>
	<title>US 1st amendment corresponds to their Article 35</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263675540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No. They live in China, they don't have your fancy 1st Amendment.</p></div><p>You're right. All citizens of China have is <a href="http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/constitution/constitution.html" title="peopledaily.com.cn">Article 35</a> [peopledaily.com.cn], translated: "Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
They live in China , they do n't have your fancy 1st Amendment.You 're right .
All citizens of China have is Article 35 [ peopledaily.com.cn ] , translated : " Citizens of the People 's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech , of the press , of assembly , of association , of procession and of demonstration .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
They live in China, they don't have your fancy 1st Amendment.You're right.
All citizens of China have is Article 35 [peopledaily.com.cn], translated: "Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791944</id>
	<title>Unfortunate</title>
	<author>blee37</author>
	<datestamp>1263670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's unfortunate that the Chinese government continues to spy on the population.  Many text messages that people send are quite personal. <br> <br>
Text message technology actually makes it easier to spy on people because you can just filter for words like "democracy" rather than actually having to pay an operator to listen to people's phone conversations.  Many human rights activists in China had previously reported having their phones tapped.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's unfortunate that the Chinese government continues to spy on the population .
Many text messages that people send are quite personal .
Text message technology actually makes it easier to spy on people because you can just filter for words like " democracy " rather than actually having to pay an operator to listen to people 's phone conversations .
Many human rights activists in China had previously reported having their phones tapped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's unfortunate that the Chinese government continues to spy on the population.
Many text messages that people send are quite personal.
Text message technology actually makes it easier to spy on people because you can just filter for words like "democracy" rather than actually having to pay an operator to listen to people's phone conversations.
Many human rights activists in China had previously reported having their phones tapped.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792022</id>
	<title>But in the us you don't go to jail for religion th</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But in the us you don't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But in the us you do n't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in the us you don't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795836</id>
	<title>add to that parallel muslim fundamentalists</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1263660360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they are all control freaks. every society has control freaks. its psychologically inevitable that a regular dribble in any society will consist of zealous control freaks absolutely fearful of losing control over... who knows what. their bowels i guess. its the trailing end of the bell curve, what can you do? just look at all these low iq tea bagger morons in the usa. too bad their so goddamn loud</p><p>they all rally around a banner, and the banner is always the magical past. the real past was full of just as much sin/ apostasy/ disharmony, whatever drives them nuts. but in their historical myopia, these conservative, communist, and fundamentalist assholes believe for some reason that going backwards in time will make the world a better place. you know, when we had open slavery, frequent starvation, deadly pandemics, etc</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they are all control freaks .
every society has control freaks .
its psychologically inevitable that a regular dribble in any society will consist of zealous control freaks absolutely fearful of losing control over... who knows what .
their bowels i guess .
its the trailing end of the bell curve , what can you do ?
just look at all these low iq tea bagger morons in the usa .
too bad their so goddamn loudthey all rally around a banner , and the banner is always the magical past .
the real past was full of just as much sin/ apostasy/ disharmony , whatever drives them nuts .
but in their historical myopia , these conservative , communist , and fundamentalist assholes believe for some reason that going backwards in time will make the world a better place .
you know , when we had open slavery , frequent starvation , deadly pandemics , etc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they are all control freaks.
every society has control freaks.
its psychologically inevitable that a regular dribble in any society will consist of zealous control freaks absolutely fearful of losing control over... who knows what.
their bowels i guess.
its the trailing end of the bell curve, what can you do?
just look at all these low iq tea bagger morons in the usa.
too bad their so goddamn loudthey all rally around a banner, and the banner is always the magical past.
the real past was full of just as much sin/ apostasy/ disharmony, whatever drives them nuts.
but in their historical myopia, these conservative, communist, and fundamentalist assholes believe for some reason that going backwards in time will make the world a better place.
you know, when we had open slavery, frequent starvation, deadly pandemics, etc</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792590</id>
	<title>Re:Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263675300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Down with CCP</p></div><p>What does protesting the practices of the company running Eve Online have to do with anything?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Down with CCPWhat does protesting the practices of the company running Eve Online have to do with anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Down with CCPWhat does protesting the practices of the company running Eve Online have to do with anything?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792080</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263671100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think Twitter beats SMS by 2 orders of magnitude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Twitter beats SMS by 2 orders of magnitude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Twitter beats SMS by 2 orders of magnitude.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792890</id>
	<title>THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263634380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't believe it!  I'm so ticked off about this I could... oh, wait... only people that have "been reported?"  Okay, then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe it !
I 'm so ticked off about this I could... oh , wait... only people that have " been reported ?
" Okay , then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe it!
I'm so ticked off about this I could... oh, wait... only people that have "been reported?
"  Okay, then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792012</id>
	<title>Chaff &amp; Flare</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1263670500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A solution is for users to increase the volume.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A solution is for users to increase the volume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A solution is for users to increase the volume.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30799176</id>
	<title>Wow, the hits just keep on coming</title>
	<author>d\_54321</author>
	<datestamp>1263750840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's not to love about more government?<br>Oh, that's right, I forgot- no <i>true</i> communist government would do such a thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's not to love about more government ? Oh , that 's right , I forgot- no true communist government would do such a thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's not to love about more government?Oh, that's right, I forgot- no true communist government would do such a thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30794814</id>
	<title>Re:Evil.</title>
	<author>brad3378</author>
	<datestamp>1263648720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how feasible it would be to bypass Chinese filters by posting text in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.JPG or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.GIF images (or some other format)  instead of easily parsed Ascii?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how feasible it would be to bypass Chinese filters by posting text in .JPG or .GIF images ( or some other format ) instead of easily parsed Ascii ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how feasible it would be to bypass Chinese filters by posting text in .JPG or .GIF images (or some other format)  instead of easily parsed Ascii?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791908</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793056</id>
	<title>Re:Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in</title>
	<author>Jeian</author>
	<datestamp>1263635940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Semi-related: I've heard that you can disconnect Chinese WoW users advertising in-game for gold selling services, by whispering "Free Tibet" to them. Don't know if it's true or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Semi-related : I 've heard that you can disconnect Chinese WoW users advertising in-game for gold selling services , by whispering " Free Tibet " to them .
Do n't know if it 's true or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Semi-related: I've heard that you can disconnect Chinese WoW users advertising in-game for gold selling services, by whispering "Free Tibet" to them.
Don't know if it's true or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792228</id>
	<title>Here's the deal.</title>
	<author>eddy</author>
	<datestamp>1263672480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone who doesn't think every SMS in the US (for example) is passed into the NSA is naive beyond belief. The difference is that in the west doing this snooping is still a 'dirty secret', while in china they see value in the people knowing they're monitored. Keeps everything calm. In the west being open about this would have the opposite effect, and we all want everything to remain calm, right? They all do it "for the people" of course.</p><p>The EU <em>as a whole</em> isn't there yet, but the infrastructure is coming up as fast as the laws can be pushed through.</p><p>Even if your local government quite dislike the idea of Total Interception, they'll still do it because information is the currency in the global military industrial <em>information</em> complex. If moscow will trade you information about Al-Qaeda for information about some chinesee dissident in your country...</p><p>Sheesh, nowadays you can't talk about the <em>world we live in</em> without sounding like a friggin nutcase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who does n't think every SMS in the US ( for example ) is passed into the NSA is naive beyond belief .
The difference is that in the west doing this snooping is still a 'dirty secret ' , while in china they see value in the people knowing they 're monitored .
Keeps everything calm .
In the west being open about this would have the opposite effect , and we all want everything to remain calm , right ?
They all do it " for the people " of course.The EU as a whole is n't there yet , but the infrastructure is coming up as fast as the laws can be pushed through.Even if your local government quite dislike the idea of Total Interception , they 'll still do it because information is the currency in the global military industrial information complex .
If moscow will trade you information about Al-Qaeda for information about some chinesee dissident in your country...Sheesh , nowadays you ca n't talk about the world we live in without sounding like a friggin nutcase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who doesn't think every SMS in the US (for example) is passed into the NSA is naive beyond belief.
The difference is that in the west doing this snooping is still a 'dirty secret', while in china they see value in the people knowing they're monitored.
Keeps everything calm.
In the west being open about this would have the opposite effect, and we all want everything to remain calm, right?
They all do it "for the people" of course.The EU as a whole isn't there yet, but the infrastructure is coming up as fast as the laws can be pushed through.Even if your local government quite dislike the idea of Total Interception, they'll still do it because information is the currency in the global military industrial information complex.
If moscow will trade you information about Al-Qaeda for information about some chinesee dissident in your country...Sheesh, nowadays you can't talk about the world we live in without sounding like a friggin nutcase.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795878</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1263661020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unlimited texting: $5<br>
Unlimited minutes: $99<br>
It's not a hard choice. Not to mention that people can get back to you when you're not busy without stupid voicemails and texting is easy to do while doing other things like cooking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unlimited texting : $ 5 Unlimited minutes : $ 99 It 's not a hard choice .
Not to mention that people can get back to you when you 're not busy without stupid voicemails and texting is easy to do while doing other things like cooking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unlimited texting: $5
Unlimited minutes: $99
It's not a hard choice.
Not to mention that people can get back to you when you're not busy without stupid voicemails and texting is easy to do while doing other things like cooking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791994</id>
	<title>Re:Evil.</title>
	<author>lorg</author>
	<datestamp>1263670320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Evil" is highly subjective. Are they really that evil? They, as far as I can tell, are just not that sneaky about it. They don't seem as preoccupied with not getting caught as our politicos are. So they just do it and then put out the usual lines; "protecting the public" "morality of the people" "think of the children" etc etc. Pretty much the same reasons we get to hear whenever one of our governments do something.</p><p>I'm fairly sure we can see thru this bullsh*t just as the billion chinese can. What I find interesting tho is that our governments keep pointing the chinese for being "evil" as a sort of diversion tactic (as in BE HAPPY YOU DONT LIVE THERE!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ). Perhaps they do the same, I never really bothered to check.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Evil " is highly subjective .
Are they really that evil ?
They , as far as I can tell , are just not that sneaky about it .
They do n't seem as preoccupied with not getting caught as our politicos are .
So they just do it and then put out the usual lines ; " protecting the public " " morality of the people " " think of the children " etc etc .
Pretty much the same reasons we get to hear whenever one of our governments do something.I 'm fairly sure we can see thru this bullsh * t just as the billion chinese can .
What I find interesting tho is that our governments keep pointing the chinese for being " evil " as a sort of diversion tactic ( as in BE HAPPY YOU DONT LIVE THERE !
... ) .
Perhaps they do the same , I never really bothered to check .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Evil" is highly subjective.
Are they really that evil?
They, as far as I can tell, are just not that sneaky about it.
They don't seem as preoccupied with not getting caught as our politicos are.
So they just do it and then put out the usual lines; "protecting the public" "morality of the people" "think of the children" etc etc.
Pretty much the same reasons we get to hear whenever one of our governments do something.I'm fairly sure we can see thru this bullsh*t just as the billion chinese can.
What I find interesting tho is that our governments keep pointing the chinese for being "evil" as a sort of diversion tactic (as in BE HAPPY YOU DONT LIVE THERE!
... ).
Perhaps they do the same, I never really bothered to check.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791908</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793896</id>
	<title>Re:US 1st amendment corresponds to their Article 3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263642060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot the following addendum...</p><p>"Except where we decide otherwise."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot the following addendum... " Except where we decide otherwise .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot the following addendum..."Except where we decide otherwise.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792620</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793512</id>
	<title>Re:But in the us you don't go to jail for religion</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263639780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean unless you&rsquo;re a muslim, or vaguely belong to religion that some &ldquo;terrorist&rdquo; belongs to...</p><p>Hey, you know that the US is having the most active terrorist training camp on the planet?<br>It&rsquo;s called Gitmo, and I heard it&rsquo;s still not closed yet.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>Or rather:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean unless you    re a muslim , or vaguely belong to religion that some    terrorist    belongs to...Hey , you know that the US is having the most active terrorist training camp on the planet ? It    s called Gitmo , and I heard it    s still not closed yet .
; ) Or rather : : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean unless you’re a muslim, or vaguely belong to religion that some “terrorist” belongs to...Hey, you know that the US is having the most active terrorist training camp on the planet?It’s called Gitmo, and I heard it’s still not closed yet.
;)Or rather: :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793452</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>nospam007</author>
	<datestamp>1263639300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?'</p><p>You mean more important stuff like:<br>"Blessent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Does anyone , in any country use SMS for more than " meet in bar at 7 " ?
'You mean more important stuff like : " Blessent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?
'You mean more important stuff like:"Blessent mon coeur d'une langueur monotone"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792220</id>
	<title>Re:idk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263672360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny, I was just wondering if they text in Chinese or something else like English.  Which got me wondering whether or not their text message are UNICODE or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I was just wondering if they text in Chinese or something else like English .
Which got me wondering whether or not their text message are UNICODE or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I was just wondering if they text in Chinese or something else like English.
Which got me wondering whether or not their text message are UNICODE or not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792130</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30794762</id>
	<title>Re:But in the us you don't go to jail for religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263648180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The current administration is still working on this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The current administration is still working on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current administration is still working on this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792568</id>
	<title>SMSing the world</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1263675000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?<br>It's 140 characters.</p></div><p>Just ask any Twitter user.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone , in any country use SMS for more than " meet in bar at 7 " ? It 's 140 characters.Just ask any Twitter user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?It's 140 characters.Just ask any Twitter user.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795270</id>
	<title>Re:I'm fascinated ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263653640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I gathered during an extended trip in North East China, porn is really easy to come by (on the internet, by buying fake dvds from street vendors, in sexshops<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... heck, you'll get some real action without wanting any by stepping quite innocently into the wrong tea house).</p><p>So, the government there doesn't care about pornography or vice, they just use porn as an excuse to monitor everything for threat against "harmony". It may be more accurate to compare China's war on porn to the USA's war on terrorism.</p><p>Then again, I'm neither chinese nor american, and I have to deal with my government's War on Immigration and Unemployment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I gathered during an extended trip in North East China , porn is really easy to come by ( on the internet , by buying fake dvds from street vendors , in sexshops ... heck , you 'll get some real action without wanting any by stepping quite innocently into the wrong tea house ) .So , the government there does n't care about pornography or vice , they just use porn as an excuse to monitor everything for threat against " harmony " .
It may be more accurate to compare China 's war on porn to the USA 's war on terrorism.Then again , I 'm neither chinese nor american , and I have to deal with my government 's War on Immigration and Unemployment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I gathered during an extended trip in North East China, porn is really easy to come by (on the internet, by buying fake dvds from street vendors, in sexshops ... heck, you'll get some real action without wanting any by stepping quite innocently into the wrong tea house).So, the government there doesn't care about pornography or vice, they just use porn as an excuse to monitor everything for threat against "harmony".
It may be more accurate to compare China's war on porn to the USA's war on terrorism.Then again, I'm neither chinese nor american, and I have to deal with my government's War on Immigration and Unemployment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792164</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792948</id>
	<title>English companies will help...</title>
	<author>MasaMuneCyrus</author>
	<datestamp>1263635040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With a project of this scale, and with the wallet and determination of the Chinese government, it's more than likely that an advanced Western IT company is going to be helping out with this monitoring task. They helped out with Iran, after all, which is much more taboo than helping out China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With a project of this scale , and with the wallet and determination of the Chinese government , it 's more than likely that an advanced Western IT company is going to be helping out with this monitoring task .
They helped out with Iran , after all , which is much more taboo than helping out China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a project of this scale, and with the wallet and determination of the Chinese government, it's more than likely that an advanced Western IT company is going to be helping out with this monitoring task.
They helped out with Iran, after all, which is much more taboo than helping out China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792130</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792192</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1263672180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's 160 characters if you use 7 bit ascii. and you can send multipart sms which allows up to 39015 7 bit ascii characters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's 160 characters if you use 7 bit ascii .
and you can send multipart sms which allows up to 39015 7 bit ascii characters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's 160 characters if you use 7 bit ascii.
and you can send multipart sms which allows up to 39015 7 bit ascii characters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793952</id>
	<title>They force you out of religion, not into it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263642300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; But in the us you don't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.</p><p>The Chinese government forces you to be atheist, though.  Atheism is a lack of a religion.  You'll find quite a few people online who feel that religion is inherently harmful and that makes it okay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; But in the us you do n't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.The Chinese government forces you to be atheist , though .
Atheism is a lack of a religion .
You 'll find quite a few people online who feel that religion is inherently harmful and that makes it okay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; But in the us you don't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.The Chinese government forces you to be atheist, though.
Atheism is a lack of a religion.
You'll find quite a few people online who feel that religion is inherently harmful and that makes it okay.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792022</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30796222</id>
	<title>Which ministry does what in China?</title>
	<author>TheJodster</author>
	<datestamp>1263666780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Ministry of Truth issues the announcement and extols the high minded well meaning intent of messaging censure.  The Ministry of Love will "help" those citizens sending naughty messages.  Does each Chinese citizen also have a telescreen if they are not Proles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Ministry of Truth issues the announcement and extols the high minded well meaning intent of messaging censure .
The Ministry of Love will " help " those citizens sending naughty messages .
Does each Chinese citizen also have a telescreen if they are not Proles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Ministry of Truth issues the announcement and extols the high minded well meaning intent of messaging censure.
The Ministry of Love will "help" those citizens sending naughty messages.
Does each Chinese citizen also have a telescreen if they are not Proles?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30794488</id>
	<title>Re:I'm fascinated ...</title>
	<author>eulernet</author>
	<datestamp>1263646140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sitting at home wanking in front of the computer screen is not an activity around which groups tend to organize.</p></div><p>Do not forget that:<br>1) prostitution is illegal in China<br>2) pornography is illegal in China, so it's not possible to get porn videos easily<br>3) in the current generation, there are more men than women (because of the unique child policy, the chinese preferred to get guys than girls), so it's not easy to get married</p><p>Add to this the fact that they can't use Internet for pornography, and we can just imagine the level of frustration.<br>Such an amount of frustration will only lead to increased violence (and the women are the first targets with rapes).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sitting at home wanking in front of the computer screen is not an activity around which groups tend to organize.Do not forget that : 1 ) prostitution is illegal in China2 ) pornography is illegal in China , so it 's not possible to get porn videos easily3 ) in the current generation , there are more men than women ( because of the unique child policy , the chinese preferred to get guys than girls ) , so it 's not easy to get marriedAdd to this the fact that they ca n't use Internet for pornography , and we can just imagine the level of frustration.Such an amount of frustration will only lead to increased violence ( and the women are the first targets with rapes ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sitting at home wanking in front of the computer screen is not an activity around which groups tend to organize.Do not forget that:1) prostitution is illegal in China2) pornography is illegal in China, so it's not possible to get porn videos easily3) in the current generation, there are more men than women (because of the unique child policy, the chinese preferred to get guys than girls), so it's not easy to get marriedAdd to this the fact that they can't use Internet for pornography, and we can just imagine the level of frustration.Such an amount of frustration will only lead to increased violence (and the women are the first targets with rapes).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792164</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792200</id>
	<title>Why does china care about porn?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263672240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would a governement like china's care about porn or anything like that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would a governement like china 's care about porn or anything like that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would a governement like china's care about porn or anything like that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791880</id>
	<title>Government protest?</title>
	<author>GiveBenADollar</author>
	<datestamp>1263669720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Anything considered pornographic will require the user to bring a letter of guarantee to the local public security bureau promising to never again send such messages before service can be reactivated."
So what has to happen to get your service back if you protest the government?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Anything considered pornographic will require the user to bring a letter of guarantee to the local public security bureau promising to never again send such messages before service can be reactivated .
" So what has to happen to get your service back if you protest the government ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Anything considered pornographic will require the user to bring a letter of guarantee to the local public security bureau promising to never again send such messages before service can be reactivated.
"
So what has to happen to get your service back if you protest the government?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795904</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder how far they can push it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263661320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They already tried at Tiananmen</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They already tried at Tiananmen</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already tried at Tiananmen</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792090</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795072</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1263651600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes - you're missing the fact that China has been around a lot longer than some small bunch of European expat who decided to start their own country in the New World.</p><p>WTF makes people believe that the US constitution has any force outside the United States?  Do you even have any idea how much world there is outside of the United States?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes - you 're missing the fact that China has been around a lot longer than some small bunch of European expat who decided to start their own country in the New World.WTF makes people believe that the US constitution has any force outside the United States ?
Do you even have any idea how much world there is outside of the United States ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes - you're missing the fact that China has been around a lot longer than some small bunch of European expat who decided to start their own country in the New World.WTF makes people believe that the US constitution has any force outside the United States?
Do you even have any idea how much world there is outside of the United States?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792262</id>
	<title>Can we get everyone in China with a phone to...</title>
	<author>kawabago</author>
	<datestamp>1263672780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can we get everyone in China with a phone to text the word FREEDOM to everyone they know just to bug the eavesdroppers?  Personally, given a choice between the government reading all my electronic communication versus occasionally encountering porn, I'm sure I would choose porn.  It must be horrible to be part of the government of China and be so afraid of your own people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we get everyone in China with a phone to text the word FREEDOM to everyone they know just to bug the eavesdroppers ?
Personally , given a choice between the government reading all my electronic communication versus occasionally encountering porn , I 'm sure I would choose porn .
It must be horrible to be part of the government of China and be so afraid of your own people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we get everyone in China with a phone to text the word FREEDOM to everyone they know just to bug the eavesdroppers?
Personally, given a choice between the government reading all my electronic communication versus occasionally encountering porn, I'm sure I would choose porn.
It must be horrible to be part of the government of China and be so afraid of your own people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793090</id>
	<title>Re:Why does China dislike porn so much?</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1263636300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where does the fear of pornography originate from in China?</p></div><p>Come on, the fear is the same everywhere, even if the response is different.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where does the fear of pornography originate from in China ? Come on , the fear is the same everywhere , even if the response is different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where does the fear of pornography originate from in China?Come on, the fear is the same everywhere, even if the response is different.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791916</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792126</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263671520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not quite.<br>google it. turns out they do have freedom of speech, they just dont follow it. much like ours?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not quite.google it .
turns out they do have freedom of speech , they just dont follow it .
much like ours ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not quite.google it.
turns out they do have freedom of speech, they just dont follow it.
much like ours?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791914</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30798692</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the deal.</title>
	<author>gtall</author>
	<datestamp>1263746520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You got proof of NSA internal to the U.S. and not involving foreigners snooping? If so, NSA is violating the law. And if Congress has been briefed on it, they are also complicit. Lawyers across the country would descend on the government like locusts to the last blade of grass. So where's yer proof, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You got proof of NSA internal to the U.S. and not involving foreigners snooping ?
If so , NSA is violating the law .
And if Congress has been briefed on it , they are also complicit .
Lawyers across the country would descend on the government like locusts to the last blade of grass .
So where 's yer proof , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got proof of NSA internal to the U.S. and not involving foreigners snooping?
If so, NSA is violating the law.
And if Congress has been briefed on it, they are also complicit.
Lawyers across the country would descend on the government like locusts to the last blade of grass.
So where's yer proof, eh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792228</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792066</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1263670920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Indeed.  Monitoring us universal.
</p><p>
But censorship (currently) is unique.
</p><p>
It's probably just that the US hasn't caught up yet.

In a 5-6 I wouldn't be too surprised to see an
extension of  FCC regulations to include bad language in SMS as well as over the air.
</p><p>
Need a new 'communications decency act' first though.   One that's worded to avoid being struck down by the courts.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Monitoring us universal .
But censorship ( currently ) is unique .
It 's probably just that the US has n't caught up yet .
In a 5-6 I would n't be too surprised to see an extension of FCC regulations to include bad language in SMS as well as over the air .
Need a new 'communications decency act ' first though .
One that 's worded to avoid being struck down by the courts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Indeed.
Monitoring us universal.
But censorship (currently) is unique.
It's probably just that the US hasn't caught up yet.
In a 5-6 I wouldn't be too surprised to see an
extension of  FCC regulations to include bad language in SMS as well as over the air.
Need a new 'communications decency act' first though.
One that's worded to avoid being struck down by the courts.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791870</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793984</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the deal.</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1263642600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone who doesn't think every SMS in the US (for example) is passed into the NSA is naive beyond belief.</p></div><p>Uh-huh.  I want to know who has the thankless job of reading all that crap.  Page after page after page of "c u l8r" "u r hawt" "wot u meen?" "lol wtf kthxbi"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who does n't think every SMS in the US ( for example ) is passed into the NSA is naive beyond belief.Uh-huh .
I want to know who has the thankless job of reading all that crap .
Page after page after page of " c u l8r " " u r hawt " " wot u meen ?
" " lol wtf kthxbi "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who doesn't think every SMS in the US (for example) is passed into the NSA is naive beyond belief.Uh-huh.
I want to know who has the thankless job of reading all that crap.
Page after page after page of "c u l8r" "u r hawt" "wot u meen?
" "lol wtf kthxbi"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792228</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791978</id>
	<title>Really? This is designed to increase censorship?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese government is clearly fixed upon the value of censorship. Censorship is what they're trying to promote, clearly. Cutting naughty or unacceptable words out of daily conversation is their endgame. They're certainly not monitoring billions of texts messages to identify and locate dissidents, increase their understanding of social networks that may work against them, or to increase their control over their citizens. Censorship is totally what they're after.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese government is clearly fixed upon the value of censorship .
Censorship is what they 're trying to promote , clearly .
Cutting naughty or unacceptable words out of daily conversation is their endgame .
They 're certainly not monitoring billions of texts messages to identify and locate dissidents , increase their understanding of social networks that may work against them , or to increase their control over their citizens .
Censorship is totally what they 're after .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese government is clearly fixed upon the value of censorship.
Censorship is what they're trying to promote, clearly.
Cutting naughty or unacceptable words out of daily conversation is their endgame.
They're certainly not monitoring billions of texts messages to identify and locate dissidents, increase their understanding of social networks that may work against them, or to increase their control over their citizens.
Censorship is totally what they're after.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30796836</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>promythyus</author>
	<datestamp>1263722040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>mega fucking WOOSH to all you who responded seriously to this post. Is it REALLY that hard for you to detect sarcasm, or you do all just love trolling/flaming?</htmltext>
<tokenext>mega fucking WOOSH to all you who responded seriously to this post .
Is it REALLY that hard for you to detect sarcasm , or you do all just love trolling/flaming ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mega fucking WOOSH to all you who responded seriously to this post.
Is it REALLY that hard for you to detect sarcasm, or you do all just love trolling/flaming?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792042</id>
	<title>Anything considered pornographic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, that's the last time I send ( o Y o ) to someone in China I guess...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's the last time I send ( o Y o ) to someone in China I guess.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's the last time I send ( o Y o ) to someone in China I guess...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791844</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792088</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>nate nice</author>
	<datestamp>1263671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1, totally awesome!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 , totally awesome !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1, totally awesome!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791868</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792178</id>
	<title>my hvrcrft s fll of eels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263672060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So what's chinese for "lol @ govt"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what 's chinese for " lol @ govt "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what's chinese for "lol @ govt"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791908</id>
	<title>Evil.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263669840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, exactly <i>how</i> Evil is the Chinese government?  I'm all for trade with them because it keeps our relationship stable so we don't actually start killing each other but my opinion of their government style is that it has to go.  Their government is Evil from my value system and I would love to see the Chinese people do something about that.  Hell, I would even provide material support electronically but I wouldn't go there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , exactly how Evil is the Chinese government ?
I 'm all for trade with them because it keeps our relationship stable so we do n't actually start killing each other but my opinion of their government style is that it has to go .
Their government is Evil from my value system and I would love to see the Chinese people do something about that .
Hell , I would even provide material support electronically but I would n't go there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, exactly how Evil is the Chinese government?
I'm all for trade with them because it keeps our relationship stable so we don't actually start killing each other but my opinion of their government style is that it has to go.
Their government is Evil from my value system and I would love to see the Chinese people do something about that.
Hell, I would even provide material support electronically but I wouldn't go there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795846</id>
	<title>Ahhh, memories of a more noble time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263660480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>promising to never again send such messages</i></p><p>Whatever you might think of China's government (I think they're corrupt, murderous, robotic slaves to fascist communism, the greatest economic fraud in world history), I'm enchanted by their rhetoric, having once been allowed to leave tucson, AZ solely on the basis of my word to repay a debt. I did too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>promising to never again send such messagesWhatever you might think of China 's government ( I think they 're corrupt , murderous , robotic slaves to fascist communism , the greatest economic fraud in world history ) , I 'm enchanted by their rhetoric , having once been allowed to leave tucson , AZ solely on the basis of my word to repay a debt .
I did too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>promising to never again send such messagesWhatever you might think of China's government (I think they're corrupt, murderous, robotic slaves to fascist communism, the greatest economic fraud in world history), I'm enchanted by their rhetoric, having once been allowed to leave tucson, AZ solely on the basis of my word to repay a debt.
I did too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792130</id>
	<title>idk</title>
	<author>Rick Zeman</author>
	<datestamp>1263671580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it'd be hard enough for computers to decipher English LOL-speak, much less Chinese.</p><p>Sooo, who is going to offer the first hardware encryption in handsets...and how soon would THAT be forbidden?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 'd be hard enough for computers to decipher English LOL-speak , much less Chinese.Sooo , who is going to offer the first hardware encryption in handsets...and how soon would THAT be forbidden ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it'd be hard enough for computers to decipher English LOL-speak, much less Chinese.Sooo, who is going to offer the first hardware encryption in handsets...and how soon would THAT be forbidden?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793776</id>
	<title>Re:Evil.</title>
	<author>ChiRaven</author>
	<datestamp>1263641340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm afraid that WE are starting to learn more and more about that style of government from them, instead of the other way around.  Our government now has the unsupervised ability, in effect, to listen in on anything it wants to (so long, wiretap oversight, <i>Jewel v. NSA</i> did away with YOU), and private companies can have just about anything taken down from the internet just by sending a letter to another company claiming (without having to present any proof, ever, to anyone, in most cases) ownership of the content.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm afraid that WE are starting to learn more and more about that style of government from them , instead of the other way around .
Our government now has the unsupervised ability , in effect , to listen in on anything it wants to ( so long , wiretap oversight , Jewel v. NSA did away with YOU ) , and private companies can have just about anything taken down from the internet just by sending a letter to another company claiming ( without having to present any proof , ever , to anyone , in most cases ) ownership of the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm afraid that WE are starting to learn more and more about that style of government from them, instead of the other way around.
Our government now has the unsupervised ability, in effect, to listen in on anything it wants to (so long, wiretap oversight, Jewel v. NSA did away with YOU), and private companies can have just about anything taken down from the internet just by sending a letter to another company claiming (without having to present any proof, ever, to anyone, in most cases) ownership of the content.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791908</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792090</id>
	<title>I wonder how far they can push it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263671220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>before the people revolt and the blood of these assholes runs in the streets.  Sadly, i'm leaning towards the believe that the people will probably take it.  They know no other way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>before the people revolt and the blood of these assholes runs in the streets .
Sadly , i 'm leaning towards the believe that the people will probably take it .
They know no other way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>before the people revolt and the blood of these assholes runs in the streets.
Sadly, i'm leaning towards the believe that the people will probably take it.
They know no other way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792180</id>
	<title>Run over with a tank subjective?</title>
	<author>headkase</author>
	<datestamp>1263672120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe that in the worst part of the USA you have about equal actual rights as the best part of China.  Different worlds, most of the time I bet its ok to live in China but for the times when you piss someone off in power I'd much rather live in the USA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe that in the worst part of the USA you have about equal actual rights as the best part of China .
Different worlds , most of the time I bet its ok to live in China but for the times when you piss someone off in power I 'd much rather live in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe that in the worst part of the USA you have about equal actual rights as the best part of China.
Different worlds, most of the time I bet its ok to live in China but for the times when you piss someone off in power I'd much rather live in the USA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791994</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793076</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder how far they can push it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263636120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>" the people will probably take it"</p><p>The same thing in America, people take anything</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the people will probably take it " The same thing in America , people take anything</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" the people will probably take it"The same thing in America, people take anything</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792090</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792662</id>
	<title>Funny, they feel EXACTLY the same way</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1263632700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But of course, you are right, and they are wrong. Funny that, they also think EXACTLY the same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But of course , you are right , and they are wrong .
Funny that , they also think EXACTLY the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But of course, you are right, and they are wrong.
Funny that, they also think EXACTLY the same thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791908</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792260</id>
	<title>Wait for it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263672720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google Voice and other similar sites will be used to create generic SMS accounts that smartphones will then be programmed to send random 140 character junk messages at random intervals just to skew the results and make it more difficult to track individuals sending pornographic texts. We may not have privacy anymore, but what does that really matter when we can just hide in the torrent?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google Voice and other similar sites will be used to create generic SMS accounts that smartphones will then be programmed to send random 140 character junk messages at random intervals just to skew the results and make it more difficult to track individuals sending pornographic texts .
We may not have privacy anymore , but what does that really matter when we can just hide in the torrent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google Voice and other similar sites will be used to create generic SMS accounts that smartphones will then be programmed to send random 140 character junk messages at random intervals just to skew the results and make it more difficult to track individuals sending pornographic texts.
We may not have privacy anymore, but what does that really matter when we can just hide in the torrent?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791868</id>
	<title>Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263669660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, seriously, the "right of speech shall not be infringed", etc...? Am I missing something here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , seriously , the " right of speech shall not be infringed " , etc... ?
Am I missing something here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, seriously, the "right of speech shall not be infringed", etc...?
Am I missing something here?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30794292</id>
	<title>Re:Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in</title>
	<author>mrphoton</author>
	<datestamp>1263644700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you forgot "execute mentally ill person" <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/debates/6905283/China-executes-Akmal-Shaikh-was-the-execution-justified.html" title="telegraph.co.uk">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/debates/6905283/China-executes-Akmal-Shaikh-was-the-execution-justified.html</a> [telegraph.co.uk]

I find China deeply worrying on so many levels, I just wish when I go out to buy a new laptop of mp3 player I had a choice not to buy stuff from china.  But I don't even more worrying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you forgot " execute mentally ill person " http : //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/debates/6905283/China-executes-Akmal-Shaikh-was-the-execution-justified.html [ telegraph.co.uk ] I find China deeply worrying on so many levels , I just wish when I go out to buy a new laptop of mp3 player I had a choice not to buy stuff from china .
But I do n't even more worrying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you forgot "execute mentally ill person" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/debates/6905283/China-executes-Akmal-Shaikh-was-the-execution-justified.html [telegraph.co.uk]

I find China deeply worrying on so many levels, I just wish when I go out to buy a new laptop of mp3 player I had a choice not to buy stuff from china.
But I don't even more worrying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792086</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792324</id>
	<title>Re:Why does China dislike porn so much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263673200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or "pornography" is a convenient label for anything the government wishes to censor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or " pornography " is a convenient label for anything the government wishes to censor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or "pornography" is a convenient label for anything the government wishes to censor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791916</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792274</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263672840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?</i></p><p>Yes.</p><p><i>It's 140 characters.</i></p><p>You still have an ancient phone that limits you to 140 characters? Any phone will automatically split them up for you, and join them at the other end, it's been that way for years.</p><p><i>It's expensive per tiny unit of information (UK).</i></p><p>Yes that sucks, but the key words are <b>per unit of information</b>. The absolute cost is not necessarily expensive, depending on your network/contract/etc. E.g., my texts are 10p each, whilst Internet access is 50p flat rate per day that I use it. The latter is far better value for money per MB, but if I only want to send some texts, a text costs 10p, whilst sending just one email will charge me 50p for that day. (Not to mention that not everyone will have their phones set up to check email, plus it costs the receiver to check email, where as receiving texts is free - so in practice emails are not a valid replacement for texts.)</p><p><i>It spawned a whole degenerate sub language</i></p><p>So did the Internet, but that doesn't make the technology bad. If you limit your choices by what some other people do with it, that's rather poor decision making.</p><p><i>and it's just about the lamest way that two humans can communicate.</i></p><p>Does it come above or below talking via Slashdot, as you and I do now, on the lame-ness scale?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone , in any country use SMS for more than " meet in bar at 7 " ? Yes.It 's 140 characters.You still have an ancient phone that limits you to 140 characters ?
Any phone will automatically split them up for you , and join them at the other end , it 's been that way for years.It 's expensive per tiny unit of information ( UK ) .Yes that sucks , but the key words are per unit of information .
The absolute cost is not necessarily expensive , depending on your network/contract/etc .
E.g. , my texts are 10p each , whilst Internet access is 50p flat rate per day that I use it .
The latter is far better value for money per MB , but if I only want to send some texts , a text costs 10p , whilst sending just one email will charge me 50p for that day .
( Not to mention that not everyone will have their phones set up to check email , plus it costs the receiver to check email , where as receiving texts is free - so in practice emails are not a valid replacement for texts .
) It spawned a whole degenerate sub languageSo did the Internet , but that does n't make the technology bad .
If you limit your choices by what some other people do with it , that 's rather poor decision making.and it 's just about the lamest way that two humans can communicate.Does it come above or below talking via Slashdot , as you and I do now , on the lame-ness scale ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?Yes.It's 140 characters.You still have an ancient phone that limits you to 140 characters?
Any phone will automatically split them up for you, and join them at the other end, it's been that way for years.It's expensive per tiny unit of information (UK).Yes that sucks, but the key words are per unit of information.
The absolute cost is not necessarily expensive, depending on your network/contract/etc.
E.g., my texts are 10p each, whilst Internet access is 50p flat rate per day that I use it.
The latter is far better value for money per MB, but if I only want to send some texts, a text costs 10p, whilst sending just one email will charge me 50p for that day.
(Not to mention that not everyone will have their phones set up to check email, plus it costs the receiver to check email, where as receiving texts is free - so in practice emails are not a valid replacement for texts.
)It spawned a whole degenerate sub languageSo did the Internet, but that doesn't make the technology bad.
If you limit your choices by what some other people do with it, that's rather poor decision making.and it's just about the lamest way that two humans can communicate.Does it come above or below talking via Slashdot, as you and I do now, on the lame-ness scale?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792064</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>Kanel</author>
	<datestamp>1263670920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The european SMS "culture" appears more widespread and mature than the US one. It has been a killer app since the late 90's, when prices dropped. I recall being surprised around 2002 when talking with US friends and realizing that many of them had cellphones with no SMS capability. "surely your cellphone is broken or something?" I asked.
<p>
As for cheap, in parts of Africa there's almost a whole "language" based on the messages you can send just by calling and hanging up before it answears. the time of day or no. of missed calls forms a code that can be transmitted for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The european SMS " culture " appears more widespread and mature than the US one .
It has been a killer app since the late 90 's , when prices dropped .
I recall being surprised around 2002 when talking with US friends and realizing that many of them had cellphones with no SMS capability .
" surely your cellphone is broken or something ?
" I asked .
As for cheap , in parts of Africa there 's almost a whole " language " based on the messages you can send just by calling and hanging up before it answears .
the time of day or no .
of missed calls forms a code that can be transmitted for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The european SMS "culture" appears more widespread and mature than the US one.
It has been a killer app since the late 90's, when prices dropped.
I recall being surprised around 2002 when talking with US friends and realizing that many of them had cellphones with no SMS capability.
"surely your cellphone is broken or something?
" I asked.
As for cheap, in parts of Africa there's almost a whole "language" based on the messages you can send just by calling and hanging up before it answears.
the time of day or no.
of missed calls forms a code that can be transmitted for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792698</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1263633000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least in the US, most any person who uses them to any real extent buys an unlimited text plan - the cost is only high if you pay per message.</p><p>But yes, I use them to send more complex messsages.  Most often it's just to send something to someone who may or may not have time to talk at the moment.  Same in reverse - if I'm at work then family and friends know that I might not be able to talk, but if they send a text I'll read it when I get to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least in the US , most any person who uses them to any real extent buys an unlimited text plan - the cost is only high if you pay per message.But yes , I use them to send more complex messsages .
Most often it 's just to send something to someone who may or may not have time to talk at the moment .
Same in reverse - if I 'm at work then family and friends know that I might not be able to talk , but if they send a text I 'll read it when I get to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least in the US, most any person who uses them to any real extent buys an unlimited text plan - the cost is only high if you pay per message.But yes, I use them to send more complex messsages.
Most often it's just to send something to someone who may or may not have time to talk at the moment.
Same in reverse - if I'm at work then family and friends know that I might not be able to talk, but if they send a text I'll read it when I get to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30797170</id>
	<title>Re:Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263728640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here are some examples:</p><p>Down with CCP</p><p>Free Tibet</p><p>Free Xinjiang</p><p>Rule of law</p><p>Down with the Great Firewall</p><p>Human rights</p><p>Multiparty sytem</p><p>Accountability</p><p>Melanine</p><p>Children crushed by crumbling schools</p><p>Forced abortion</p><p>Chapter 08</p><p>You have nice pecks baby.</p><p>Just think of the children!!</p></div><p>well then maybe we should write a program to automatically use those naughty words as a footer for all text mesages and emails to saturate their capability to monitor textws</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are some examples : Down with CCPFree TibetFree XinjiangRule of lawDown with the Great FirewallHuman rightsMultiparty sytemAccountabilityMelanineChildren crushed by crumbling schoolsForced abortionChapter 08You have nice pecks baby.Just think of the children !
! well then maybe we should write a program to automatically use those naughty words as a footer for all text mesages and emails to saturate their capability to monitor textws</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are some examples:Down with CCPFree TibetFree XinjiangRule of lawDown with the Great FirewallHuman rightsMultiparty sytemAccountabilityMelanineChildren crushed by crumbling schoolsForced abortionChapter 08You have nice pecks baby.Just think of the children!
!well then maybe we should write a program to automatically use those naughty words as a footer for all text mesages and emails to saturate their capability to monitor textws
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793132</id>
	<title>Western influences</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1263636600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Porn and freedom are both seen as <i>bad things from outside</i>. The perception is that if you get one you get the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Porn and freedom are both seen as bad things from outside .
The perception is that if you get one you get the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Porn and freedom are both seen as bad things from outside.
The perception is that if you get one you get the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791916</id>
	<title>Why does China dislike porn so much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263669900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where does the fear of pornography originate from in China?</p><p>This is easy to answer in the western world and other regions following an Abrahamic Religion. And trough Colonialism a lot of the then-present sentiment was exported and influences e.g. India to the present day.</p><p>But China was never under colonial rule per se, they were just being pushed around by the West. Still they look like 19th century Victorian prudes.</p><p>Also, the sex drive one of the stronger drives, people might get pissed (especially those 20+ million "excess" males that are around by selectively aborting female foetuses) at porn censorship much easier than than at political censorship.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where does the fear of pornography originate from in China ? This is easy to answer in the western world and other regions following an Abrahamic Religion .
And trough Colonialism a lot of the then-present sentiment was exported and influences e.g .
India to the present day.But China was never under colonial rule per se , they were just being pushed around by the West .
Still they look like 19th century Victorian prudes.Also , the sex drive one of the stronger drives , people might get pissed ( especially those 20 + million " excess " males that are around by selectively aborting female foetuses ) at porn censorship much easier than than at political censorship .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where does the fear of pornography originate from in China?This is easy to answer in the western world and other regions following an Abrahamic Religion.
And trough Colonialism a lot of the then-present sentiment was exported and influences e.g.
India to the present day.But China was never under colonial rule per se, they were just being pushed around by the West.
Still they look like 19th century Victorian prudes.Also, the sex drive one of the stronger drives, people might get pissed (especially those 20+ million "excess" males that are around by selectively aborting female foetuses) at porn censorship much easier than than at political censorship.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792086</id>
	<title>Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in Chi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Here are some examples:<br> <br>

Down with CCP<br>
Free Tibet<br>
Free Xinjiang<br>
Rule of law<br>
Down with the Great Firewall <br>
Human rights<br>
Multiparty sytem<br>
Accountability<br>
Melanine<br>
Children crushed by crumbling schools<br>
Forced abortion<br>
Chapter 08<br>
You have nice pecks baby.<br> <br>

Just think of the children!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are some examples : Down with CCP Free Tibet Free Xinjiang Rule of law Down with the Great Firewall Human rights Multiparty sytem Accountability Melanine Children crushed by crumbling schools Forced abortion Chapter 08 You have nice pecks baby .
Just think of the children !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Here are some examples: 

Down with CCP
Free Tibet
Free Xinjiang
Rule of law
Down with the Great Firewall 
Human rights
Multiparty sytem
Accountability
Melanine
Children crushed by crumbling schools
Forced abortion
Chapter 08
You have nice pecks baby.
Just think of the children!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791998</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1263670380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?<br>It's 140 characters. It's expensive per tiny unit of information (UK). It spawned a whole degenerate sub language, and it's just about the lamest way that two humans can communicate.</p><p>In china it's cheap, but I still wouldn't use it for my revolution planning. Encrypted XMPP/self run multi-protocol gateway (MSN, ICQ etc)/VOIP over 3G FTW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone , in any country use SMS for more than " meet in bar at 7 " ? It 's 140 characters .
It 's expensive per tiny unit of information ( UK ) .
It spawned a whole degenerate sub language , and it 's just about the lamest way that two humans can communicate.In china it 's cheap , but I still would n't use it for my revolution planning .
Encrypted XMPP/self run multi-protocol gateway ( MSN , ICQ etc ) /VOIP over 3G FTW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?It's 140 characters.
It's expensive per tiny unit of information (UK).
It spawned a whole degenerate sub language, and it's just about the lamest way that two humans can communicate.In china it's cheap, but I still wouldn't use it for my revolution planning.
Encrypted XMPP/self run multi-protocol gateway (MSN, ICQ etc)/VOIP over 3G FTW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792376</id>
	<title>Re:Why does China dislike porn so much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263673560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's easy. They know they will never be able to rule the world effectively if their most talented people spend most of their lives jerking off in mom's basement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's easy .
They know they will never be able to rule the world effectively if their most talented people spend most of their lives jerking off in mom 's basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's easy.
They know they will never be able to rule the world effectively if their most talented people spend most of their lives jerking off in mom's basement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791952</id>
	<title>The answer is that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>this really has nothing to do with porn. That's the cover story to provide justification to start seaching the people's messages. Make it sound like the government's protecting morality, when in reality it's another crackdown on dissenters and anyone who doesn't fall in line.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this really has nothing to do with porn .
That 's the cover story to provide justification to start seaching the people 's messages .
Make it sound like the government 's protecting morality , when in reality it 's another crackdown on dissenters and anyone who does n't fall in line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this really has nothing to do with porn.
That's the cover story to provide justification to start seaching the people's messages.
Make it sound like the government's protecting morality, when in reality it's another crackdown on dissenters and anyone who doesn't fall in line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795548</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder how far they can push it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263657000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>before the people revolt and the blood of these assholes runs in the streets.  Sadly, i'm leaning towards the believe that the people will probably take it.  They know no other way.</p></div><p>Yeah, Americans are like that.</p><p>Oh, you're talking about some other country?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>before the people revolt and the blood of these assholes runs in the streets .
Sadly , i 'm leaning towards the believe that the people will probably take it .
They know no other way.Yeah , Americans are like that.Oh , you 're talking about some other country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>before the people revolt and the blood of these assholes runs in the streets.
Sadly, i'm leaning towards the believe that the people will probably take it.
They know no other way.Yeah, Americans are like that.Oh, you're talking about some other country?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792898</id>
	<title>Evil? Try arrogant</title>
	<author>MasaMuneCyrus</author>
	<datestamp>1263634500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PRC is no farther up the evil scale than many other governments in the world, but they have more power to utilize their evil.</p><p>On the <b>arrogance scale</b> however, China probably holds a 10 out of 10.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PRC is no farther up the evil scale than many other governments in the world , but they have more power to utilize their evil.On the arrogance scale however , China probably holds a 10 out of 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PRC is no farther up the evil scale than many other governments in the world, but they have more power to utilize their evil.On the arrogance scale however, China probably holds a 10 out of 10.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793284</id>
	<title>me lv u lngtme</title>
	<author>Trip6</author>
	<datestamp>1263638100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sent from Longh Whang...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sent from Longh Whang.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sent from Longh Whang...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791844</id>
	<title>How do they do it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263669480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It all looks like Chinese to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It all looks like Chinese to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It all looks like Chinese to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793490</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263639600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most young people here in Germany write more SMS than they talk minutes on the phone. (Usually the same price. Yep, this means calling would be cheaper, but... oh well. ^^)</p><p>And from what I heard, vending machines even work with SMS in the Nordic countries (e.g. Finland, Nokia&rsquo;s home) for a looong time.</p><p>I know from around 2003, that in Danmark, they all just had ICQ or something on their phones, and texted trough that because it was cheapest.</p><p>I wonder what they all are up to, now that it&rsquo;s 2010!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most young people here in Germany write more SMS than they talk minutes on the phone .
( Usually the same price .
Yep , this means calling would be cheaper , but... oh well .
^ ^ ) And from what I heard , vending machines even work with SMS in the Nordic countries ( e.g .
Finland , Nokia    s home ) for a looong time.I know from around 2003 , that in Danmark , they all just had ICQ or something on their phones , and texted trough that because it was cheapest.I wonder what they all are up to , now that it    s 2010 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most young people here in Germany write more SMS than they talk minutes on the phone.
(Usually the same price.
Yep, this means calling would be cheaper, but... oh well.
^^)And from what I heard, vending machines even work with SMS in the Nordic countries (e.g.
Finland, Nokia’s home) for a looong time.I know from around 2003, that in Danmark, they all just had ICQ or something on their phones, and texted trough that because it was cheapest.I wonder what they all are up to, now that it’s 2010!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30794240</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>marqs</author>
	<datestamp>1263644340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No the difference is that the Chinese government actualy tell people that they read messages. In the west we be live that no one does. <br>
Remember 9/11 when the messages was posted anonymously, not by "The Government"</htmltext>
<tokenext>No the difference is that the Chinese government actualy tell people that they read messages .
In the west we be live that no one does .
Remember 9/11 when the messages was posted anonymously , not by " The Government "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No the difference is that the Chinese government actualy tell people that they read messages.
In the west we be live that no one does.
Remember 9/11 when the messages was posted anonymously, not by "The Government"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792918</id>
	<title>Don't think so evil</title>
	<author>SmallFurryCreature</author>
	<datestamp>1263634620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Governments are rarely evil, in real life they are misguided trying to do what they think is the right thing but going about it wrong.
</p><p>Terry Pratchett's "May you life in intresting times" touches on it briefly. A rebellion is forming in the counterweight continent (china) seeking to overthrow the government and liberate the peasants... and who will then lead those peasants? The leaders of the rebellion, who will for the greater good of the peasants tell the peasants how to lead their life, how to farm, despite those peasants have hundreds of years more experience with farming.
</p><p>Leaders have a plan for the future, they see it not working, human nature then tries to find something that is wrong without looking at the plan itself. China needs it people to work hard, without demanding more then can be given, and do so effeciently and properly within the limits of society and available resources. This is all perfectly sensible and reasonable. Take the one-child policy. Westerners often critize it, but what else are China leaders supposed to do? Have the population explode? Invade other countries to be able to feed its out of control population? Allow mass starvation? The one-child police, with all its problems is the only workable solution. But it only works if everyone follows it, to many exceptions and things break down and you MUST control it. What happens if you do NOT control your people is clear, look at the US where the average citizen consumes 9 times the average amount of a world citizen. People starve because americans binge eat (europeans do the same but slightly less). The US has the resources to have this happen, China does not.
</p><p>And when you got a plan and are convinced the plan is right and the people don't follow your plan, you start looking for reasons. Any reason. Maybe they are being subverted by hostile agents (the examples are countless. Recently shown in Iran but of course the famous McCarthy witch hunts in the US are very much the same. Later anti-vietnam protests could only have been organized by communist agents, free will of the people? Only when they do what you want them to do, the Chinese ain't unique at all).
</p><p>Sex, sex is just one of those things where people are very disruptive, almost no idea about sexual activity held by the ruling elite is correct. 30+\% of children are not of the father that thinks he is the father. The fast majority of teenage girls got an STD... these are not the figures you want when you are plotting the future of your country.
</p><p>Sex, drugs and Rock&amp;Roll are the enemy of the planners all over the world. Every leader who has had a vision for the future has sought to control them. And in a way, you got to. Take again, the one-child policy. Would be a far greater problem with rampant teenage pregnancy. Women who have children by multiple fathers are a problem in a one-child culture. Would you marry a woman who already has a kid if she is not allowed to have yours?
</p><p>This is why a clamp down on sex and drugs and music is always a part of a government that has a plan for its population. Check history (and don't forget to check your own) and you will this is true.
</p><p>And history has also shown that there is precious little opposition to it.
</p><p>Else, why did the US not rebel after nipple-gate? You are probably an American, protesting about censorship in a country where the word "fuck" is not just bleeped out, but a mosaic put over the mouth of the person who said it. Why does the US government fear porn?
</p><p>It has nothing to do with decency of puritanism, it has to do with the idea that it is corrupting/influencing the population away from the destiny you have planned for them.
</p><p>China is undergoing great changes, and the government seeks and needs control to keep it all together. Don't forget that China KNOWS its own history. Almost conquered by the Japanese a tiny primitive nation that was so insignificant that it never developed its own language. 2000+ years it was nothing and then it almost steam rolled over them. The</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments are rarely evil , in real life they are misguided trying to do what they think is the right thing but going about it wrong .
Terry Pratchett 's " May you life in intresting times " touches on it briefly .
A rebellion is forming in the counterweight continent ( china ) seeking to overthrow the government and liberate the peasants... and who will then lead those peasants ?
The leaders of the rebellion , who will for the greater good of the peasants tell the peasants how to lead their life , how to farm , despite those peasants have hundreds of years more experience with farming .
Leaders have a plan for the future , they see it not working , human nature then tries to find something that is wrong without looking at the plan itself .
China needs it people to work hard , without demanding more then can be given , and do so effeciently and properly within the limits of society and available resources .
This is all perfectly sensible and reasonable .
Take the one-child policy .
Westerners often critize it , but what else are China leaders supposed to do ?
Have the population explode ?
Invade other countries to be able to feed its out of control population ?
Allow mass starvation ?
The one-child police , with all its problems is the only workable solution .
But it only works if everyone follows it , to many exceptions and things break down and you MUST control it .
What happens if you do NOT control your people is clear , look at the US where the average citizen consumes 9 times the average amount of a world citizen .
People starve because americans binge eat ( europeans do the same but slightly less ) .
The US has the resources to have this happen , China does not .
And when you got a plan and are convinced the plan is right and the people do n't follow your plan , you start looking for reasons .
Any reason .
Maybe they are being subverted by hostile agents ( the examples are countless .
Recently shown in Iran but of course the famous McCarthy witch hunts in the US are very much the same .
Later anti-vietnam protests could only have been organized by communist agents , free will of the people ?
Only when they do what you want them to do , the Chinese ai n't unique at all ) .
Sex , sex is just one of those things where people are very disruptive , almost no idea about sexual activity held by the ruling elite is correct .
30 + \ % of children are not of the father that thinks he is the father .
The fast majority of teenage girls got an STD... these are not the figures you want when you are plotting the future of your country .
Sex , drugs and Rock&amp;Roll are the enemy of the planners all over the world .
Every leader who has had a vision for the future has sought to control them .
And in a way , you got to .
Take again , the one-child policy .
Would be a far greater problem with rampant teenage pregnancy .
Women who have children by multiple fathers are a problem in a one-child culture .
Would you marry a woman who already has a kid if she is not allowed to have yours ?
This is why a clamp down on sex and drugs and music is always a part of a government that has a plan for its population .
Check history ( and do n't forget to check your own ) and you will this is true .
And history has also shown that there is precious little opposition to it .
Else , why did the US not rebel after nipple-gate ?
You are probably an American , protesting about censorship in a country where the word " fuck " is not just bleeped out , but a mosaic put over the mouth of the person who said it .
Why does the US government fear porn ?
It has nothing to do with decency of puritanism , it has to do with the idea that it is corrupting/influencing the population away from the destiny you have planned for them .
China is undergoing great changes , and the government seeks and needs control to keep it all together .
Do n't forget that China KNOWS its own history .
Almost conquered by the Japanese a tiny primitive nation that was so insignificant that it never developed its own language .
2000 + years it was nothing and then it almost steam rolled over them .
The</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments are rarely evil, in real life they are misguided trying to do what they think is the right thing but going about it wrong.
Terry Pratchett's "May you life in intresting times" touches on it briefly.
A rebellion is forming in the counterweight continent (china) seeking to overthrow the government and liberate the peasants... and who will then lead those peasants?
The leaders of the rebellion, who will for the greater good of the peasants tell the peasants how to lead their life, how to farm, despite those peasants have hundreds of years more experience with farming.
Leaders have a plan for the future, they see it not working, human nature then tries to find something that is wrong without looking at the plan itself.
China needs it people to work hard, without demanding more then can be given, and do so effeciently and properly within the limits of society and available resources.
This is all perfectly sensible and reasonable.
Take the one-child policy.
Westerners often critize it, but what else are China leaders supposed to do?
Have the population explode?
Invade other countries to be able to feed its out of control population?
Allow mass starvation?
The one-child police, with all its problems is the only workable solution.
But it only works if everyone follows it, to many exceptions and things break down and you MUST control it.
What happens if you do NOT control your people is clear, look at the US where the average citizen consumes 9 times the average amount of a world citizen.
People starve because americans binge eat (europeans do the same but slightly less).
The US has the resources to have this happen, China does not.
And when you got a plan and are convinced the plan is right and the people don't follow your plan, you start looking for reasons.
Any reason.
Maybe they are being subverted by hostile agents (the examples are countless.
Recently shown in Iran but of course the famous McCarthy witch hunts in the US are very much the same.
Later anti-vietnam protests could only have been organized by communist agents, free will of the people?
Only when they do what you want them to do, the Chinese ain't unique at all).
Sex, sex is just one of those things where people are very disruptive, almost no idea about sexual activity held by the ruling elite is correct.
30+\% of children are not of the father that thinks he is the father.
The fast majority of teenage girls got an STD... these are not the figures you want when you are plotting the future of your country.
Sex, drugs and Rock&amp;Roll are the enemy of the planners all over the world.
Every leader who has had a vision for the future has sought to control them.
And in a way, you got to.
Take again, the one-child policy.
Would be a far greater problem with rampant teenage pregnancy.
Women who have children by multiple fathers are a problem in a one-child culture.
Would you marry a woman who already has a kid if she is not allowed to have yours?
This is why a clamp down on sex and drugs and music is always a part of a government that has a plan for its population.
Check history (and don't forget to check your own) and you will this is true.
And history has also shown that there is precious little opposition to it.
Else, why did the US not rebel after nipple-gate?
You are probably an American, protesting about censorship in a country where the word "fuck" is not just bleeped out, but a mosaic put over the mouth of the person who said it.
Why does the US government fear porn?
It has nothing to do with decency of puritanism, it has to do with the idea that it is corrupting/influencing the population away from the destiny you have planned for them.
China is undergoing great changes, and the government seeks and needs control to keep it all together.
Don't forget that China KNOWS its own history.
Almost conquered by the Japanese a tiny primitive nation that was so insignificant that it never developed its own language.
2000+ years it was nothing and then it almost steam rolled over them.
The</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793186</id>
	<title>Re:idk</title>
	<author>l3prador</author>
	<datestamp>1263637140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The use of encryption is already forbidden in China, and could potentially be suspicious enough to warrant further investigation.  You'd have to use an encryption scheme that appears to send normal SMS messages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The use of encryption is already forbidden in China , and could potentially be suspicious enough to warrant further investigation .
You 'd have to use an encryption scheme that appears to send normal SMS messages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The use of encryption is already forbidden in China, and could potentially be suspicious enough to warrant further investigation.
You'd have to use an encryption scheme that appears to send normal SMS messages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792322</id>
	<title>Re:Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in</title>
	<author>D H NG</author>
	<datestamp>1263673200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This should be modded insightful, not funny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This should be modded insightful , not funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This should be modded insightful, not funny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792026</id>
	<title>Context</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1263670680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even focusing in detecting the pornographic, that is heavily dependant on context, specially when you try to say much in few words, Even if a image worth 1000 words you can still misunderstand it (as <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/1993120,child-pornography-illinois-solider-011510.article" title="suntimes.com">this soldier found</a> [suntimes.com])</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even focusing in detecting the pornographic , that is heavily dependant on context , specially when you try to say much in few words , Even if a image worth 1000 words you can still misunderstand it ( as this soldier found [ suntimes.com ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even focusing in detecting the pornographic, that is heavily dependant on context, specially when you try to say much in few words, Even if a image worth 1000 words you can still misunderstand it (as this soldier found [suntimes.com])</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792062</id>
	<title>If they put half their censoring effort into..</title>
	<author>gimmebeer</author>
	<datestamp>1263670920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Human rights and the well-being of their population, they probably wouldn't have half the dissent and problems they have now.  Which would, in turn, require less effort to police the people and would result in much less of a need to 'control' their population.

You cannot completely control a population the size of China's.  If you want them to conform you have to win them over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Human rights and the well-being of their population , they probably would n't have half the dissent and problems they have now .
Which would , in turn , require less effort to police the people and would result in much less of a need to 'control ' their population .
You can not completely control a population the size of China 's .
If you want them to conform you have to win them over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Human rights and the well-being of their population, they probably wouldn't have half the dissent and problems they have now.
Which would, in turn, require less effort to police the people and would result in much less of a need to 'control' their population.
You cannot completely control a population the size of China's.
If you want them to conform you have to win them over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30800734</id>
	<title>Re:US 1st amendment corresponds to their Article 3</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1263719880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Citizens of China also have Article 51:</p><p>"The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the <b>interests of the state, of society and of the collective</b>, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Citizens of China also have Article 51 : " The exercise by citizens of the People 's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state , of society and of the collective , or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Citizens of China also have Article 51:"The exercise by citizens of the People's Republic of China of their freedoms and rights may not infringe upon the interests of the state, of society and of the collective, or upon the lawful freedoms and rights of other citizens.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792786</id>
	<title>open security</title>
	<author>MrBrainport</author>
	<datestamp>1263633660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I prefer open security practices instead of warrantless, and if you're tapping information...just do it discreetly and prevent abuse of personal information</htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer open security practices instead of warrantless , and if you 're tapping information...just do it discreetly and prevent abuse of personal information</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer open security practices instead of warrantless, and if you're tapping information...just do it discreetly and prevent abuse of personal information</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792084</id>
	<title>Re:Why does China dislike porn so much?</title>
	<author>lorg</author>
	<datestamp>1263671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't belive this is a religious hickup in anyway. There isn't really anything (or much of anything) in eastern philosophy that have our (abrahamic) sexual hickups. I think it's a relic from the communist past and the cultural revolution.</p><p>Everyone should be equal etc etc. So women shouldn't be "sex objects" but instead the same as the men - workers. So in uniform and reading maos little red while not out plowing the fields instead of thinking naughty subversive thoughts.</p><p>I could be totally wrong tho. They probably just keep it up now for the sake of "morality", a foundation that is probably starting to crack and crumble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't belive this is a religious hickup in anyway .
There is n't really anything ( or much of anything ) in eastern philosophy that have our ( abrahamic ) sexual hickups .
I think it 's a relic from the communist past and the cultural revolution.Everyone should be equal etc etc .
So women should n't be " sex objects " but instead the same as the men - workers .
So in uniform and reading maos little red while not out plowing the fields instead of thinking naughty subversive thoughts.I could be totally wrong tho .
They probably just keep it up now for the sake of " morality " , a foundation that is probably starting to crack and crumble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't belive this is a religious hickup in anyway.
There isn't really anything (or much of anything) in eastern philosophy that have our (abrahamic) sexual hickups.
I think it's a relic from the communist past and the cultural revolution.Everyone should be equal etc etc.
So women shouldn't be "sex objects" but instead the same as the men - workers.
So in uniform and reading maos little red while not out plowing the fields instead of thinking naughty subversive thoughts.I could be totally wrong tho.
They probably just keep it up now for the sake of "morality", a foundation that is probably starting to crack and crumble.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30791914</id>
	<title>Re:Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263669900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. They live in China, they don't have your fancy 1st Amendment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
They live in China , they do n't have your fancy 1st Amendment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
They live in China, they don't have your fancy 1st Amendment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30796692</id>
	<title>Re:Logistics</title>
	<author>vtstarin</author>
	<datestamp>1263719040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>they have very harsh punishment, so it pretty easy to implement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they have very harsh punishment , so it pretty easy to implement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they have very harsh punishment, so it pretty easy to implement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30794538</id>
	<title>Re:But in the us you don't go to jail for religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263646560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the fuck are you talking about? Do you even know anything about China? There is no state enforced religion. Goddamn fuckwit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the fuck are you talking about ?
Do you even know anything about China ?
There is no state enforced religion .
Goddamn fuckwit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the fuck are you talking about?
Do you even know anything about China?
There is no state enforced religion.
Goddamn fuckwit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30792164</id>
	<title>I'm fascinated ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263671820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... by the parallels between the Chinese and American right wingers' war on pornography. I'd think that the Chinese would be more intent on stamping out possible challenges to Communist rule (Falun Gong), independence movements (Tibet) and threats to national security. The American conservative logic is more understandable. The economic conservatives don't care about porn per se (its just another business after all), but in order to assemble a viable voting block, their 'deal with the devil' (the religious right) requires that they adopt their position that every ejaculation must have a name. The Chinese don't suffer from the same political pressures as the GOP does. There's no opposition party espousing sexual freedom that could benefit from the circulation of porn. Sitting at home wanking in front of the computer screen is not an activity around which groups tend to organize.
</p><p>Although the battle cry of our right wingers has been "Godless Commies", it seems that these two groups share quite a bit of ideology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... by the parallels between the Chinese and American right wingers ' war on pornography .
I 'd think that the Chinese would be more intent on stamping out possible challenges to Communist rule ( Falun Gong ) , independence movements ( Tibet ) and threats to national security .
The American conservative logic is more understandable .
The economic conservatives do n't care about porn per se ( its just another business after all ) , but in order to assemble a viable voting block , their 'deal with the devil ' ( the religious right ) requires that they adopt their position that every ejaculation must have a name .
The Chinese do n't suffer from the same political pressures as the GOP does .
There 's no opposition party espousing sexual freedom that could benefit from the circulation of porn .
Sitting at home wanking in front of the computer screen is not an activity around which groups tend to organize .
Although the battle cry of our right wingers has been " Godless Commies " , it seems that these two groups share quite a bit of ideology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... by the parallels between the Chinese and American right wingers' war on pornography.
I'd think that the Chinese would be more intent on stamping out possible challenges to Communist rule (Falun Gong), independence movements (Tibet) and threats to national security.
The American conservative logic is more understandable.
The economic conservatives don't care about porn per se (its just another business after all), but in order to assemble a viable voting block, their 'deal with the devil' (the religious right) requires that they adopt their position that every ejaculation must have a name.
The Chinese don't suffer from the same political pressures as the GOP does.
There's no opposition party espousing sexual freedom that could benefit from the circulation of porn.
Sitting at home wanking in front of the computer screen is not an activity around which groups tend to organize.
Although the battle cry of our right wingers has been "Godless Commies", it seems that these two groups share quite a bit of ideology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793200</id>
	<title>Re:But in the us you don't go to jail for religion</title>
	<author>darkpixel2k</author>
	<datestamp>1263637200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But in the us you don't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.</p></div><p>
Give us time.  Soon we'll be able to send you to jail for using too much fuel or electricity or driving the wrong type of car or not buying health insurance.
The difference between China and the US is that China tells you what religion you can or can't be where the US government is becoming its own religion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But in the us you do n't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in .
Give us time .
Soon we 'll be able to send you to jail for using too much fuel or electricity or driving the wrong type of car or not buying health insurance .
The difference between China and the US is that China tells you what religion you can or ca n't be where the US government is becoming its own religion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But in the us you don't go to jail for being a part of the religion that is not the one the sate forces you to be in.
Give us time.
Soon we'll be able to send you to jail for using too much fuel or electricity or driving the wrong type of car or not buying health insurance.
The difference between China and the US is that China tells you what religion you can or can't be where the US government is becoming its own religion.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30795046</id>
	<title>Re:Monitoring is universal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263651300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?</i></p><p>Absolutely. The former mayor of Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick, <a href="http://www.freep.com/article/20080124/NEWS05/801240414/Kilpatrick--chief-of-staff-lied-under-oath--text-messages-show" title="freep.com" rel="nofollow">went to jail</a> [freep.com] as a result of his text messages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone , in any country use SMS for more than " meet in bar at 7 " ? Absolutely .
The former mayor of Detroit , Kwame Kilpatrick , went to jail [ freep.com ] as a result of his text messages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone, in any country use SMS for more than "meet in bar at 7"?Absolutely.
The former mayor of Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick, went to jail [freep.com] as a result of his text messages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793036</id>
	<title>theres a good side...</title>
	<author>pyrote</author>
	<datestamp>1263635820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a good side, now the hackers that attacked google will be busy sifting through billions of texts saying,<br>"DOOD, too much rice-wine! just had sex with a goat! gonna hurl..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a good side , now the hackers that attacked google will be busy sifting through billions of texts saying , " DOOD , too much rice-wine !
just had sex with a goat !
gon na hurl... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a good side, now the hackers that attacked google will be busy sifting through billions of texts saying,"DOOD, too much rice-wine!
just had sex with a goat!
gonna hurl..."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793978</id>
	<title>Re:I'm fascinated ...</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1263642540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an American conservative who's visits China, I can confirm this. While Shanghai is the most western-liberal as they get, they're still Chinese...err...Shanghainese in fact.</p><p>Everything from social outlook on life to economic, the Chinese are truly conservative. I mean, these people are capitalists at heart and it shows on the streets and within companies when doing business with them. The constant haggling over prices gets old and frustrating however. But you don't get anymore capitalistic in terms of spirit (they don't expect handouts from others). What's ironic however, is that the old generation still view Mao Zedong as a great man. I'm not sure they really know the scope of how much pain and suffering his policies inflicted, but all that they DO remember is that he was once a great leader.</p><p>And there you have it. If it's one thing that conservatives around the world have in common, it's that they believe in social order, stability, and also a sense of morality. But above all else, conservatives look to one thing as the most valuable. That's leadership and direction. From presidents, kings, and religious figures, they want a northern start that guides them as a unified force to obtain those goals. At least in America, that's why we love/d Ronald Reagan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an American conservative who 's visits China , I can confirm this .
While Shanghai is the most western-liberal as they get , they 're still Chinese...err...Shanghainese in fact.Everything from social outlook on life to economic , the Chinese are truly conservative .
I mean , these people are capitalists at heart and it shows on the streets and within companies when doing business with them .
The constant haggling over prices gets old and frustrating however .
But you do n't get anymore capitalistic in terms of spirit ( they do n't expect handouts from others ) .
What 's ironic however , is that the old generation still view Mao Zedong as a great man .
I 'm not sure they really know the scope of how much pain and suffering his policies inflicted , but all that they DO remember is that he was once a great leader.And there you have it .
If it 's one thing that conservatives around the world have in common , it 's that they believe in social order , stability , and also a sense of morality .
But above all else , conservatives look to one thing as the most valuable .
That 's leadership and direction .
From presidents , kings , and religious figures , they want a northern start that guides them as a unified force to obtain those goals .
At least in America , that 's why we love/d Ronald Reagan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an American conservative who's visits China, I can confirm this.
While Shanghai is the most western-liberal as they get, they're still Chinese...err...Shanghainese in fact.Everything from social outlook on life to economic, the Chinese are truly conservative.
I mean, these people are capitalists at heart and it shows on the streets and within companies when doing business with them.
The constant haggling over prices gets old and frustrating however.
But you don't get anymore capitalistic in terms of spirit (they don't expect handouts from others).
What's ironic however, is that the old generation still view Mao Zedong as a great man.
I'm not sure they really know the scope of how much pain and suffering his policies inflicted, but all that they DO remember is that he was once a great leader.And there you have it.
If it's one thing that conservatives around the world have in common, it's that they believe in social order, stability, and also a sense of morality.
But above all else, conservatives look to one thing as the most valuable.
That's leadership and direction.
From presidents, kings, and religious figures, they want a northern start that guides them as a unified force to obtain those goals.
At least in America, that's why we love/d Ronald Reagan.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Doesn't this violate the 1st Amendment?</title>
	<author>kramerd</author>
	<datestamp>1263642360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No one posted that...it was a joke. Read the damn comments, there were only 2 of them that you had to go through, and based on the topic headliner, the one that got modded up wasn't a response to anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No one posted that...it was a joke .
Read the damn comments , there were only 2 of them that you had to go through , and based on the topic headliner , the one that got modded up was n't a response to anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one posted that...it was a joke.
Read the damn comments, there were only 2 of them that you had to go through, and based on the topic headliner, the one that got modded up wasn't a response to anyone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1718208.30793546</id>
	<title>Re:Pornographics words not to use in SMS while in</title>
	<author>adamofgreyskull</author>
	<datestamp>1263639960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Free Tibet</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>
Careful, the first one's always free, then they jack up the price. <b>That's</b> how they get you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Free Tibet Careful , the first one 's always free , then they jack up the price .
That 's how they get you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Free Tibet 
Careful, the first one's always free, then they jack up the price.
That's how they get you.
	</sentencetext>
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