<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_16_1452232</id>
	<title>Protecting At-Risk Cities From Rising Seas</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263657960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"BBC reports that with about 10 million people in England and Wales living in flood risk areas, rising sea levels and more storms could mean that parts of at-risk cities will need to be <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8460089.stm">surrendered to protect homes and businesses</a>, and that 'radical thinking' is needed to develop sea defenses that can cope with the future threats. 'If we act now, we can adapt in such a way that will prevent mass disruption and allow coastal communities to continue to prosper,' says Ruth Reed, President of the Royal Institute of British Architects. 'But the key word is "now."' Changing sea levels is not a new phenomenon. In the Netherlands, for example, with 40\% of its surface under sea level, <a href="http://www.buildingfutures.org.uk/projects/building-futures/facing-up">water management and water defense</a> have been practiced since time immemorial; creating mounds and dykes, windmills, canals with locks and sluices, the Delta Works and the Afsluitdijk, all to keep the water out. <a href="http://www.buildingfutures.org.uk/assets/downloads/Facing\_Up\_To\_Rising\_Sea\_Levels.pdf">Similar solutions to protect British cities are based on three themes</a> (PDF): moving 'critical infrastructure' and housing to safer ground, allowing the water into parts of the city;  building city-wide sea defenses to ensure water does not enter the existing urban area; and extending the existing coastline and building out onto the water (using stilts, floating structures and/or land reclamation)."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " BBC reports that with about 10 million people in England and Wales living in flood risk areas , rising sea levels and more storms could mean that parts of at-risk cities will need to be surrendered to protect homes and businesses , and that 'radical thinking ' is needed to develop sea defenses that can cope with the future threats .
'If we act now , we can adapt in such a way that will prevent mass disruption and allow coastal communities to continue to prosper, ' says Ruth Reed , President of the Royal Institute of British Architects .
'But the key word is " now .
" ' Changing sea levels is not a new phenomenon .
In the Netherlands , for example , with 40 \ % of its surface under sea level , water management and water defense have been practiced since time immemorial ; creating mounds and dykes , windmills , canals with locks and sluices , the Delta Works and the Afsluitdijk , all to keep the water out .
Similar solutions to protect British cities are based on three themes ( PDF ) : moving 'critical infrastructure ' and housing to safer ground , allowing the water into parts of the city ; building city-wide sea defenses to ensure water does not enter the existing urban area ; and extending the existing coastline and building out onto the water ( using stilts , floating structures and/or land reclamation ) .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that with about 10 million people in England and Wales living in flood risk areas, rising sea levels and more storms could mean that parts of at-risk cities will need to be surrendered to protect homes and businesses, and that 'radical thinking' is needed to develop sea defenses that can cope with the future threats.
'If we act now, we can adapt in such a way that will prevent mass disruption and allow coastal communities to continue to prosper,' says Ruth Reed, President of the Royal Institute of British Architects.
'But the key word is "now.
"' Changing sea levels is not a new phenomenon.
In the Netherlands, for example, with 40\% of its surface under sea level, water management and water defense have been practiced since time immemorial; creating mounds and dykes, windmills, canals with locks and sluices, the Delta Works and the Afsluitdijk, all to keep the water out.
Similar solutions to protect British cities are based on three themes (PDF): moving 'critical infrastructure' and housing to safer ground, allowing the water into parts of the city;  building city-wide sea defenses to ensure water does not enter the existing urban area; and extending the existing coastline and building out onto the water (using stilts, floating structures and/or land reclamation).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790836</id>
	<title>Yeah, right</title>
	<author>Guido del Confuso</author>
	<datestamp>1263662580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>the Delta Works and the <b>Afsluitdijk</b> </i></p><p>I've heard of some crazy Scandinavian names, but come on.  That's just somebody banging on the keyboard.  Next you're going to tell me about the famed Swedish Lkajadsfglkn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the Delta Works and the Afsluitdijk I 've heard of some crazy Scandinavian names , but come on .
That 's just somebody banging on the keyboard .
Next you 're going to tell me about the famed Swedish Lkajadsfglkn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the Delta Works and the Afsluitdijk I've heard of some crazy Scandinavian names, but come on.
That's just somebody banging on the keyboard.
Next you're going to tell me about the famed Swedish Lkajadsfglkn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792614</id>
	<title>The Right Wing Can't Float</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263675480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>         Perhaps we should take the right wing loonies who have denied that global warming is a reality or raised voices against taking action until absolute agreement of every nut jog maverick scientist in the world agrees that it is real and stake them out in the low spots on the English coast. They can then repeat over and over again "I am not drowning".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps we should take the right wing loonies who have denied that global warming is a reality or raised voices against taking action until absolute agreement of every nut jog maverick scientist in the world agrees that it is real and stake them out in the low spots on the English coast .
They can then repeat over and over again " I am not drowning " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>         Perhaps we should take the right wing loonies who have denied that global warming is a reality or raised voices against taking action until absolute agreement of every nut jog maverick scientist in the world agrees that it is real and stake them out in the low spots on the English coast.
They can then repeat over and over again "I am not drowning".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30796040</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Trailer Trash</author>
	<datestamp>1263663300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now imagine you had an entire city of a couple hundred thousand people built not in a flood plain but 10 feet below sea level.  By the sea.  And a huge river.  And a huge lake.  That's what we have here in the US.  And the people react similarly when it flooded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now imagine you had an entire city of a couple hundred thousand people built not in a flood plain but 10 feet below sea level .
By the sea .
And a huge river .
And a huge lake .
That 's what we have here in the US .
And the people react similarly when it flooded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now imagine you had an entire city of a couple hundred thousand people built not in a flood plain but 10 feet below sea level.
By the sea.
And a huge river.
And a huge lake.
That's what we have here in the US.
And the people react similarly when it flooded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791680</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263668280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ah. The telegraph. A beacon of science in a medieval world? And an article from Dr M&#246;rner? you say ? this person perhaps ?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel\_M\%C3\%B6rner#Views\_on\_dowsing" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel\_M\%C3\%B6rner#Views\_on\_dowsing</a> [wikipedia.org] ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ah .
The telegraph .
A beacon of science in a medieval world ?
And an article from Dr M   rner ?
you say ?
this person perhaps ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel \ _M \ % C3 \ % B6rner # Views \ _on \ _dowsing [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ah.
The telegraph.
A beacon of science in a medieval world?
And an article from Dr Mörner?
you say ?
this person perhaps ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel\_M\%C3\%B6rner#Views\_on\_dowsing [wikipedia.org] ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790858</id>
	<title>It's How We Are</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263662700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Historically and prehistorically we've demonstrated that we have a strong preference for, and, derive much benefit from inhabiting coastal areas. The economic spin-offs in job creation, and knowledge gleaned from the engineering would be considerable and highly portable to the maintenance and development of any large urban area. Lastly the more we learn about and enable our long term habitation of coastal areas, the more we'll learn about our impact on the environment and the costs to ourselves. We can now landscape and engineer high density urban areas that are liveable and interesting but there is a need to cost externalities and recognize emergent economic activity incurred in terms of environmental impact and degradation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Historically and prehistorically we 've demonstrated that we have a strong preference for , and , derive much benefit from inhabiting coastal areas .
The economic spin-offs in job creation , and knowledge gleaned from the engineering would be considerable and highly portable to the maintenance and development of any large urban area .
Lastly the more we learn about and enable our long term habitation of coastal areas , the more we 'll learn about our impact on the environment and the costs to ourselves .
We can now landscape and engineer high density urban areas that are liveable and interesting but there is a need to cost externalities and recognize emergent economic activity incurred in terms of environmental impact and degradation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Historically and prehistorically we've demonstrated that we have a strong preference for, and, derive much benefit from inhabiting coastal areas.
The economic spin-offs in job creation, and knowledge gleaned from the engineering would be considerable and highly portable to the maintenance and development of any large urban area.
Lastly the more we learn about and enable our long term habitation of coastal areas, the more we'll learn about our impact on the environment and the costs to ourselves.
We can now landscape and engineer high density urban areas that are liveable and interesting but there is a need to cost externalities and recognize emergent economic activity incurred in terms of environmental impact and degradation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30796320</id>
	<title>Sea levels rising or land sinking?</title>
	<author>rrvau</author>
	<datestamp>1263668580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, the sea levels are NOT rising, East Anglia et al is SINKING, just as Holland has been and still is.

If the sea is rising in England, it must be coming from parts of Scotland where the sea levels are "falling" or the land is rising.

Obviously the folk who "believe" in sea levels tising haven't hear of Archimedes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the sea levels are NOT rising , East Anglia et al is SINKING , just as Holland has been and still is .
If the sea is rising in England , it must be coming from parts of Scotland where the sea levels are " falling " or the land is rising .
Obviously the folk who " believe " in sea levels tising have n't hear of Archimedes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the sea levels are NOT rising, East Anglia et al is SINKING, just as Holland has been and still is.
If the sea is rising in England, it must be coming from parts of Scotland where the sea levels are "falling" or the land is rising.
Obviously the folk who "believe" in sea levels tising haven't hear of Archimedes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793690</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to get some bargain beachfront property</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1263640800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Didn't you get the memo?  Most of your fellow gw deniers have retreated from debating whether glaciers and icecaps are melting and sea level is rising, to whether it is caused by people.  (The reason for this is the ice <i>is</i> melting and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current\_sea\_level\_rise" title="wikipedia.org">sealevel <i>is</i> rising</a> [wikipedia.org].  It's not just a prediction.)
<p>
Now, unfortunately, there is a strong probability that the rich people living on beaches will sucker the poorer people in the rest of the country into paying to rebuild their mansions when they wash away.  So, I suppose it might still be a good investment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't you get the memo ?
Most of your fellow gw deniers have retreated from debating whether glaciers and icecaps are melting and sea level is rising , to whether it is caused by people .
( The reason for this is the ice is melting and sealevel is rising [ wikipedia.org ] .
It 's not just a prediction .
) Now , unfortunately , there is a strong probability that the rich people living on beaches will sucker the poorer people in the rest of the country into paying to rebuild their mansions when they wash away .
So , I suppose it might still be a good investment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't you get the memo?
Most of your fellow gw deniers have retreated from debating whether glaciers and icecaps are melting and sea level is rising, to whether it is caused by people.
(The reason for this is the ice is melting and sealevel is rising [wikipedia.org].
It's not just a prediction.
)

Now, unfortunately, there is a strong probability that the rich people living on beaches will sucker the poorer people in the rest of the country into paying to rebuild their mansions when they wash away.
So, I suppose it might still be a good investment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791546</id>
	<title>Re:They're preparing for defeat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263667440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moving cities isn't "defeat". Let's remember that coastal cities are where they are because that's where the "coast" is, and when the coastline changes construction can adapt to that.</p><p>"What are their plans for handling starving refugees? Or, merely feeding themselves? Living with tropical diseases? I think a little more thought on the disruptions would encourage a redoubling of efforts to stop the warming. It is not yet too late for that."</p><p>Why should there be any such problems from a \_gradual\_ rise in sea levels?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moving cities is n't " defeat " .
Let 's remember that coastal cities are where they are because that 's where the " coast " is , and when the coastline changes construction can adapt to that .
" What are their plans for handling starving refugees ?
Or , merely feeding themselves ?
Living with tropical diseases ?
I think a little more thought on the disruptions would encourage a redoubling of efforts to stop the warming .
It is not yet too late for that .
" Why should there be any such problems from a \ _gradual \ _ rise in sea levels ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moving cities isn't "defeat".
Let's remember that coastal cities are where they are because that's where the "coast" is, and when the coastline changes construction can adapt to that.
"What are their plans for handling starving refugees?
Or, merely feeding themselves?
Living with tropical diseases?
I think a little more thought on the disruptions would encourage a redoubling of efforts to stop the warming.
It is not yet too late for that.
"Why should there be any such problems from a \_gradual\_ rise in sea levels?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30796460</id>
	<title>I know - lets ask Jeezers to fixit!</title>
	<author>dogzdik</author>
	<datestamp>1263671400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He's coming back to rain on earth...       any day now...          honest..........      really he is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's coming back to rain on earth... any day now... honest.......... really he is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's coming back to rain on earth...       any day now...          honest..........      really he is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791424</id>
	<title>Finally...</title>
	<author>M-RES</author>
	<datestamp>1263666540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We can rid ourselves of the stain on the face of England that is London! I'm all for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We can rid ourselves of the stain on the face of England that is London !
I 'm all for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can rid ourselves of the stain on the face of England that is London!
I'm all for it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793330</id>
	<title>Re:the ultimate solution</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1263638460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An chicks dig house boats</p></div><p>Maybe the ones YOU are into.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An chicks dig house boatsMaybe the ones YOU are into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An chicks dig house boatsMaybe the ones YOU are into.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791012</id>
	<title>On the other hand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263663660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might be wiser for the UK to invest in more snowplows and salt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might be wiser for the UK to invest in more snowplows and salt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might be wiser for the UK to invest in more snowplows and salt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791482</id>
	<title>Managed Retreat</title>
	<author>Cally</author>
	<datestamp>1263666960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The policy in the UK has  been <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&amp;q=managed+retreat+site\%3Ance.co.uk&amp;btnG=Search&amp;meta=&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" title="google.co.uk">Managed Retreat</a> [google.co.uk] for several years now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The policy in the UK has been Managed Retreat [ google.co.uk ] for several years now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The policy in the UK has  been Managed Retreat [google.co.uk] for several years now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791026</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>jvillain</author>
	<datestamp>1263663780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean like how it was killing the coral reefs but then it wasn't, and it was warming the top of Kilimanjaro but then it wasn't, like it had caused the glaciers in the Himalayas to retreat massively but then they weren't, like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like how it was killing the coral reefs but then it was n't , and it was warming the top of Kilimanjaro but then it was n't , like it had caused the glaciers in the Himalayas to retreat massively but then they were n't , like ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like how it was killing the coral reefs but then it wasn't, and it was warming the top of Kilimanjaro but then it wasn't, like it had caused the glaciers in the Himalayas to retreat massively but then they weren't, like ....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791184</id>
	<title>Re:90 years in the future...</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1263664860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No current structure need last 90 years for other than sentimental reasons because their design will be obsolete. Urban renewal require infrastructure replacement, and 90 years is plenty of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No current structure need last 90 years for other than sentimental reasons because their design will be obsolete .
Urban renewal require infrastructure replacement , and 90 years is plenty of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No current structure need last 90 years for other than sentimental reasons because their design will be obsolete.
Urban renewal require infrastructure replacement, and 90 years is plenty of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791652</id>
	<title>Re:Not pork</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1263668100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And there is the basic lesson, don't build your city below sea level next to the ocean."</p><p>Tell that to the slum dwellers who want their slum replaced where they were.</p><p>New Orleans was basically a giant ghetto with the French Quarter as tourist bait. Too bad more of it didn't get destroyed sufficient to prohibit rebuilding. There was nothing of value there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And there is the basic lesson , do n't build your city below sea level next to the ocean .
" Tell that to the slum dwellers who want their slum replaced where they were.New Orleans was basically a giant ghetto with the French Quarter as tourist bait .
Too bad more of it did n't get destroyed sufficient to prohibit rebuilding .
There was nothing of value there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And there is the basic lesson, don't build your city below sea level next to the ocean.
"Tell that to the slum dwellers who want their slum replaced where they were.New Orleans was basically a giant ghetto with the French Quarter as tourist bait.
Too bad more of it didn't get destroyed sufficient to prohibit rebuilding.
There was nothing of value there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790920</id>
	<title>Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1263663120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of houses in Britain have been built on flood plains.
<p>Even though they are clearly marked on the maps, and (presumably) are discovered in property searches, people still buy these places. Yet when the inevitable happens - for rain is a fact of life in England, they whine and moan about "our house has flooded<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you gotta HELP us!" Better still, a lot of river-side properties are <b>very</b> desirable and attract huge premiums. The buyers seem not to associate having a large body of moving water, passing by the bottom of the gardens to their million-pound houses, with any sort of risk, at all.
</p><p>
All I would suggest is huge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... massive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... crippling<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... increases in home insurance premiums to both alert buyers to the dangers and also to make them pay the going rate for repairs and renovations - rather than being subsidised by all the sensible people. Just like happens with car insurance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of houses in Britain have been built on flood plains .
Even though they are clearly marked on the maps , and ( presumably ) are discovered in property searches , people still buy these places .
Yet when the inevitable happens - for rain is a fact of life in England , they whine and moan about " our house has flooded ... you got ta HELP us !
" Better still , a lot of river-side properties are very desirable and attract huge premiums .
The buyers seem not to associate having a large body of moving water , passing by the bottom of the gardens to their million-pound houses , with any sort of risk , at all .
All I would suggest is huge .... massive .... crippling ... increases in home insurance premiums to both alert buyers to the dangers and also to make them pay the going rate for repairs and renovations - rather than being subsidised by all the sensible people .
Just like happens with car insurance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of houses in Britain have been built on flood plains.
Even though they are clearly marked on the maps, and (presumably) are discovered in property searches, people still buy these places.
Yet when the inevitable happens - for rain is a fact of life in England, they whine and moan about "our house has flooded ... you gotta HELP us!
" Better still, a lot of river-side properties are very desirable and attract huge premiums.
The buyers seem not to associate having a large body of moving water, passing by the bottom of the gardens to their million-pound houses, with any sort of risk, at all.
All I would suggest is huge .... massive .... crippling ... increases in home insurance premiums to both alert buyers to the dangers and also to make them pay the going rate for repairs and renovations - rather than being subsidised by all the sensible people.
Just like happens with car insurance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793708</id>
	<title>Re:It's How We Are</title>
	<author>kent\_eh</author>
	<datestamp>1263640980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Historically and prehistorically we've demonstrated that we have a strong preference for, and, derive much benefit from inhabiting coastal areas.</p> </div><p>Too true.<br>
Even though my city is equidistant from the Atlantic and Pacific, the place was still built at the junction of 2 major rivers, on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950\_Red\_River\_Flood" title="wikipedia.org">flood</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997\_Red\_River\_Flood" title="wikipedia.org">plain</a> [wikipedia.org].<br>
At least we have built <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red\_River\_Floodway" title="wikipedia.org">protective infrastructure</a> [wikipedia.org] to deal with the type of flooding that happens here.<br> <br>
If people continue to build in low-lying coastal areas, they had better take the initiative and spend some significant money to protect their land. <br>
Unfortunately that's going to require a lot of forward thinking politicians. And we seem to have a grave shortage of those at the moment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Historically and prehistorically we 've demonstrated that we have a strong preference for , and , derive much benefit from inhabiting coastal areas .
Too true .
Even though my city is equidistant from the Atlantic and Pacific , the place was still built at the junction of 2 major rivers , on the flood [ wikipedia.org ] plain [ wikipedia.org ] .
At least we have built protective infrastructure [ wikipedia.org ] to deal with the type of flooding that happens here .
If people continue to build in low-lying coastal areas , they had better take the initiative and spend some significant money to protect their land .
Unfortunately that 's going to require a lot of forward thinking politicians .
And we seem to have a grave shortage of those at the moment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Historically and prehistorically we've demonstrated that we have a strong preference for, and, derive much benefit from inhabiting coastal areas.
Too true.
Even though my city is equidistant from the Atlantic and Pacific, the place was still built at the junction of 2 major rivers, on the flood [wikipedia.org] plain [wikipedia.org].
At least we have built protective infrastructure [wikipedia.org] to deal with the type of flooding that happens here.
If people continue to build in low-lying coastal areas, they had better take the initiative and spend some significant money to protect their land.
Unfortunately that's going to require a lot of forward thinking politicians.
And we seem to have a grave shortage of those at the moment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790882</id>
	<title>90 years in the future...</title>
	<author>GiveBenADollar</author>
	<datestamp>1263662940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, so the scenario is based on 90 years in the future assuming a continuing sea level increase. So by 90 years in the future there will need to be either a movement of cities, or a man made defense for floods in place.

Yup, this is front page material worthy of a panic. Thanks BBC.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so the scenario is based on 90 years in the future assuming a continuing sea level increase .
So by 90 years in the future there will need to be either a movement of cities , or a man made defense for floods in place .
Yup , this is front page material worthy of a panic .
Thanks BBC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so the scenario is based on 90 years in the future assuming a continuing sea level increase.
So by 90 years in the future there will need to be either a movement of cities, or a man made defense for floods in place.
Yup, this is front page material worthy of a panic.
Thanks BBC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792592</id>
	<title>water towers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263675300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't we build huge water towers to lower the sea level ?, there really isn't that much water on the earth its just very thinly spread out.</p><p>We could build them at the poles and the water would freeze making it much safer (from terrorism, quakes, etc).</p><p>Any reason why this wouldn't work ?.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't we build huge water towers to lower the sea level ? , there really is n't that much water on the earth its just very thinly spread out.We could build them at the poles and the water would freeze making it much safer ( from terrorism , quakes , etc ) .Any reason why this would n't work ? .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't we build huge water towers to lower the sea level ?, there really isn't that much water on the earth its just very thinly spread out.We could build them at the poles and the water would freeze making it much safer (from terrorism, quakes, etc).Any reason why this wouldn't work ?.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791948</id>
	<title>What we need is lasers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In space. Really big lasers, boiling away enough ocean to keep the sea level from rising.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In space .
Really big lasers , boiling away enough ocean to keep the sea level from rising .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In space.
Really big lasers, boiling away enough ocean to keep the sea level from rising.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790872</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263662820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Afsluitdijk translates (if translated literally) to English as "Obstructdike".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Afsluitdijk translates ( if translated literally ) to English as " Obstructdike " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Afsluitdijk translates (if translated literally) to English as "Obstructdike".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791558</id>
	<title>This is a Darwin test people</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263667500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you happen to live in these flood prone locations there are two choices:<br>a) Fix the entire world to stop rising waters ---- not likely.<br>b) MOVE to higher ground.</p><p>How long can you tread water? Perhaps you should ask the people of New Orleans?</p><p>Seriously. This is a Darwin test. Fail if you must, the human race will be better off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you happen to live in these flood prone locations there are two choices : a ) Fix the entire world to stop rising waters ---- not likely.b ) MOVE to higher ground.How long can you tread water ?
Perhaps you should ask the people of New Orleans ? Seriously .
This is a Darwin test .
Fail if you must , the human race will be better off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you happen to live in these flood prone locations there are two choices:a) Fix the entire world to stop rising waters ---- not likely.b) MOVE to higher ground.How long can you tread water?
Perhaps you should ask the people of New Orleans?Seriously.
This is a Darwin test.
Fail if you must, the human race will be better off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791048</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, right</title>
	<author>grimJester</author>
	<datestamp>1263663900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about it? It's right next to the Asdfjikl, crossing the Qwertiop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about it ?
It 's right next to the Asdfjikl , crossing the Qwertiop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about it?
It's right next to the Asdfjikl, crossing the Qwertiop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791248</id>
	<title>Re:The solution seems obvious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263665340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We will earn shitloads of money in the coming decades, building dikes and other stuff for other countries. If I had to choose a study now I would go to Delft, where all the relevant education concerning that is given.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We will earn shitloads of money in the coming decades , building dikes and other stuff for other countries .
If I had to choose a study now I would go to Delft , where all the relevant education concerning that is given .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We will earn shitloads of money in the coming decades, building dikes and other stuff for other countries.
If I had to choose a study now I would go to Delft, where all the relevant education concerning that is given.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790804</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790774</id>
	<title>the ultimate solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263661980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Live in a house boat. They float. An chicks dig house boats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Live in a house boat .
They float .
An chicks dig house boats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Live in a house boat.
They float.
An chicks dig house boats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792572</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1263675060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 1971 the warnings were repeated, this time much, much louder.<a href="http://qurl.com/jmd7s" title="qurl.com">http://qurl.com/jmd7s</a> [qurl.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 1971 the warnings were repeated , this time much , much louder.http : //qurl.com/jmd7s [ qurl.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 1971 the warnings were repeated, this time much, much louder.http://qurl.com/jmd7s [qurl.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792504</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1263674520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What was lacking, for decades, was the political will.</p></div><p> <i>Was</i> lacking? Pay much attention to the news, per chance?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What was lacking , for decades , was the political will .
Was lacking ?
Pay much attention to the news , per chance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What was lacking, for decades, was the political will.
Was lacking?
Pay much attention to the news, per chance?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791224</id>
	<title>Very True</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1263665160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having liver in the Netherlands for 3 years on and off, yes, they could fix it and the trains so they worked in snow.<br><br>The only thing you have to stop them touching is the roads, or they will turn them all into 'langsamwegs'</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having liver in the Netherlands for 3 years on and off , yes , they could fix it and the trains so they worked in snow.The only thing you have to stop them touching is the roads , or they will turn them all into 'langsamwegs'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having liver in the Netherlands for 3 years on and off, yes, they could fix it and the trains so they worked in snow.The only thing you have to stop them touching is the roads, or they will turn them all into 'langsamwegs'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790750</id>
	<title>Other news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263661680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In other news, Himalayas have seen a surge of new visitors and people moving in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , Himalayas have seen a surge of new visitors and people moving in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, Himalayas have seen a surge of new visitors and people moving in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793280</id>
	<title>No it isn't</title>
	<author>spectrokid</author>
	<datestamp>1263638100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the letter "ij" is not pronounced like in d<b>y</b>ke, it is like in "w<b>eigh</b>t"</htmltext>
<tokenext>the letter " ij " is not pronounced like in dyke , it is like in " weight "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the letter "ij" is not pronounced like in dyke, it is like in "weight"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790806</id>
	<title>Hold Up Here</title>
	<author>The Wild Norseman</author>
	<datestamp>1263662280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they're saying that sea levels are, in fact, rising around the planet enough to endanger mass cities?  Beachfront property in Leicester FTW!   Woot!</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they 're saying that sea levels are , in fact , rising around the planet enough to endanger mass cities ?
Beachfront property in Leicester FTW !
Woot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they're saying that sea levels are, in fact, rising around the planet enough to endanger mass cities?
Beachfront property in Leicester FTW!
Woot!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30794072</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1263643200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Property searches used to only include checking title, open planning applications and mining. Only <a href="http://www.egov.vic.gov.au/focus-on-countries/europe/countries-europe/united-kingdom/government-initiatives-united-kingdom/environment-united-kingdom/land-registry-launches-new-indicator-on-flood-risk.html" title="vic.gov.au">last month</a> [vic.gov.au] did the land registry link up with the Environment Agency to provide flood risk information. It is still quite basic, apparently doing no more than linking a postcode to a situation on <a href="http://maps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/wiybyController?x=531500.0&amp;y=181500.0&amp;topic=floodmap&amp;ep=map&amp;scale=3&amp;location=London,\%20City\%20of\%20London&amp;lang=\_e&amp;layerGroups=default&amp;textonly=off" title="environmen...ncy.gov.uk">this map</a> [environmen...ncy.gov.uk]. Few people read (or are even given) the results of searches, they just rely on their lawyer pointing things out. </p><p>Many of the major floods seen in the news here in recent years have been extraordinary stuff, which would be classed as low risk category anyway. There's an <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/11/floods.html" title="bbc.co.uk">article on the BBC</a> [bbc.co.uk] talks about that in relation to Cockermouth (yes we do have very silly names for places in Britain), while the #1 comment there has a very important point: land use is extremely significant and isn't factored into the flood risk maps. The flooding a couple of years ago in Hull was actually blamed in large part on people paving their driveways, resulting in massive run-off with minimal water soaking away. This is a massive contributor to flooding, to such an extent that <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/money/insurance/homeowners-most-at-risk-of-flooding-could-find-themselves-without-insurance-1710472.html" title="independent.co.uk">"we have identified areas at tops of hills that are at risk of surface water flooding"</a> [independent.co.uk].</p><p>For what it's worth you will have increased premiums if you live in a flood plain. That is, if you thought to ask for flooding cover. Usually if there is extensive damage to a flooded property the insurance company won't pay out if it happens a second time, or only above a massive excess. This doesn't seem to cause a problem when it comes to sell property - unlike cars where you are obliged to state if an insurance company has written off the car (though nobody does, which is why you should always get your own insurer to check for you, though no, nobody does that either). </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Property searches used to only include checking title , open planning applications and mining .
Only last month [ vic.gov.au ] did the land registry link up with the Environment Agency to provide flood risk information .
It is still quite basic , apparently doing no more than linking a postcode to a situation on this map [ environmen...ncy.gov.uk ] .
Few people read ( or are even given ) the results of searches , they just rely on their lawyer pointing things out .
Many of the major floods seen in the news here in recent years have been extraordinary stuff , which would be classed as low risk category anyway .
There 's an article on the BBC [ bbc.co.uk ] talks about that in relation to Cockermouth ( yes we do have very silly names for places in Britain ) , while the # 1 comment there has a very important point : land use is extremely significant and is n't factored into the flood risk maps .
The flooding a couple of years ago in Hull was actually blamed in large part on people paving their driveways , resulting in massive run-off with minimal water soaking away .
This is a massive contributor to flooding , to such an extent that " we have identified areas at tops of hills that are at risk of surface water flooding " [ independent.co.uk ] .For what it 's worth you will have increased premiums if you live in a flood plain .
That is , if you thought to ask for flooding cover .
Usually if there is extensive damage to a flooded property the insurance company wo n't pay out if it happens a second time , or only above a massive excess .
This does n't seem to cause a problem when it comes to sell property - unlike cars where you are obliged to state if an insurance company has written off the car ( though nobody does , which is why you should always get your own insurer to check for you , though no , nobody does that either ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Property searches used to only include checking title, open planning applications and mining.
Only last month [vic.gov.au] did the land registry link up with the Environment Agency to provide flood risk information.
It is still quite basic, apparently doing no more than linking a postcode to a situation on this map [environmen...ncy.gov.uk].
Few people read (or are even given) the results of searches, they just rely on their lawyer pointing things out.
Many of the major floods seen in the news here in recent years have been extraordinary stuff, which would be classed as low risk category anyway.
There's an article on the BBC [bbc.co.uk] talks about that in relation to Cockermouth (yes we do have very silly names for places in Britain), while the #1 comment there has a very important point: land use is extremely significant and isn't factored into the flood risk maps.
The flooding a couple of years ago in Hull was actually blamed in large part on people paving their driveways, resulting in massive run-off with minimal water soaking away.
This is a massive contributor to flooding, to such an extent that "we have identified areas at tops of hills that are at risk of surface water flooding" [independent.co.uk].For what it's worth you will have increased premiums if you live in a flood plain.
That is, if you thought to ask for flooding cover.
Usually if there is extensive damage to a flooded property the insurance company won't pay out if it happens a second time, or only above a massive excess.
This doesn't seem to cause a problem when it comes to sell property - unlike cars where you are obliged to state if an insurance company has written off the car (though nobody does, which is why you should always get your own insurer to check for you, though no, nobody does that either). </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793184</id>
	<title>England is sinking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263637140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This problem is only partially caused by rising sea levels, England is also sinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This problem is only partially caused by rising sea levels , England is also sinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This problem is only partially caused by rising sea levels, England is also sinking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30795942</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Nethead</author>
	<datestamp>1263661800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>People living next to an active volcano situated on a fault line on a river basin that is somehow under sea level on a hill where mudslides are common,</i></p><p>Go southeast-ish of Seattle about 125 miles and I think you may well be able to find that spot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People living next to an active volcano situated on a fault line on a river basin that is somehow under sea level on a hill where mudslides are common,Go southeast-ish of Seattle about 125 miles and I think you may well be able to find that spot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People living next to an active volcano situated on a fault line on a river basin that is somehow under sea level on a hill where mudslides are common,Go southeast-ish of Seattle about 125 miles and I think you may well be able to find that spot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30794266</id>
	<title>What Defeat, ClimateGate, Arctic Oscillation</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1263644520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you havn't noticed it has been one of the Coldest winters in recent years, due to the un-predicted Arctic Oscillation. This goes to the climate models can't predict 3 months ahead, let alone 20 years. Add to that the data Cherry Picking that went into HAD-CRU and IPCC reports, and the incredibly course mesh that the Heat &amp; Gas equations are run on. And the 0.6dC fall in average temperature over the last 8 years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "hide the decline" (Jones).<br><br>Having now looked at both the Statistics and the setup of the Climate Models, I can tell you these guys are as innumerate as the econometric modelers used to be so: add AGW/sea-level-rise to H1N1 and the Great US Finance Debacle (repeal Glass-Steigel, Naked Shorts, Mark-2-Market &amp; CDOs). This is all due to incompatant US administrations, a corrupt and grand standing Congress, a broken Court System so SCOTUS no longer upholds the Constitution, rather twists itself into a pretzel to pander.<br><br>All this amplified by the ignorant and biased reporting of the 24/7 lie-news cycle.<br><br>Finally I would point out that US policy, in every area is to mis-understand or lie about the threat analysis and then spend billions of dollars on the wrong thing, you guys need first to get an education, not just teach Chinease PhD's to hack Google and 35 other corporations, and get your completely corrupt government under control. That is what the RIGHT to bear arms is all about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you hav n't noticed it has been one of the Coldest winters in recent years , due to the un-predicted Arctic Oscillation .
This goes to the climate models ca n't predict 3 months ahead , let alone 20 years .
Add to that the data Cherry Picking that went into HAD-CRU and IPCC reports , and the incredibly course mesh that the Heat &amp; Gas equations are run on .
And the 0.6dC fall in average temperature over the last 8 years ... " hide the decline " ( Jones ) .Having now looked at both the Statistics and the setup of the Climate Models , I can tell you these guys are as innumerate as the econometric modelers used to be so : add AGW/sea-level-rise to H1N1 and the Great US Finance Debacle ( repeal Glass-Steigel , Naked Shorts , Mark-2-Market &amp; CDOs ) .
This is all due to incompatant US administrations , a corrupt and grand standing Congress , a broken Court System so SCOTUS no longer upholds the Constitution , rather twists itself into a pretzel to pander.All this amplified by the ignorant and biased reporting of the 24/7 lie-news cycle.Finally I would point out that US policy , in every area is to mis-understand or lie about the threat analysis and then spend billions of dollars on the wrong thing , you guys need first to get an education , not just teach Chinease PhD 's to hack Google and 35 other corporations , and get your completely corrupt government under control .
That is what the RIGHT to bear arms is all about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you havn't noticed it has been one of the Coldest winters in recent years, due to the un-predicted Arctic Oscillation.
This goes to the climate models can't predict 3 months ahead, let alone 20 years.
Add to that the data Cherry Picking that went into HAD-CRU and IPCC reports, and the incredibly course mesh that the Heat &amp; Gas equations are run on.
And the 0.6dC fall in average temperature over the last 8 years ... "hide the decline" (Jones).Having now looked at both the Statistics and the setup of the Climate Models, I can tell you these guys are as innumerate as the econometric modelers used to be so: add AGW/sea-level-rise to H1N1 and the Great US Finance Debacle (repeal Glass-Steigel, Naked Shorts, Mark-2-Market &amp; CDOs).
This is all due to incompatant US administrations, a corrupt and grand standing Congress, a broken Court System so SCOTUS no longer upholds the Constitution, rather twists itself into a pretzel to pander.All this amplified by the ignorant and biased reporting of the 24/7 lie-news cycle.Finally I would point out that US policy, in every area is to mis-understand or lie about the threat analysis and then spend billions of dollars on the wrong thing, you guys need first to get an education, not just teach Chinease PhD's to hack Google and 35 other corporations, and get your completely corrupt government under control.
That is what the RIGHT to bear arms is all about.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790942</id>
	<title>They're preparing for defeat?</title>
	<author>bzipitidoo</author>
	<datestamp>1263663300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They think it'll prove politically impossible to change course and stop the rise in sea level?

</p><p>What are their plans for handling starving refugees?  Or, merely feeding themselves?  Living with tropical diseases?  I think a little more thought on the disruptions would encourage a redoubling of efforts to stop the warming.  It is not yet too late for that.

</p><p>This kind of planning smacks of Cold War futility and madness, when quite a few nuclear bomb shelters were built and plans made to retreat to mine shafts with the pitiful surviving remnants of humanity (but, hey, ten hot women for every man!) knowing that if they ever had to be used for their ostensive purpose, humanity was already screwed.  Well, interstate loops around large cities were meant to encourage development that might help contain a nuclear blast, maybe the same idea can help hold back the water!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They think it 'll prove politically impossible to change course and stop the rise in sea level ?
What are their plans for handling starving refugees ?
Or , merely feeding themselves ?
Living with tropical diseases ?
I think a little more thought on the disruptions would encourage a redoubling of efforts to stop the warming .
It is not yet too late for that .
This kind of planning smacks of Cold War futility and madness , when quite a few nuclear bomb shelters were built and plans made to retreat to mine shafts with the pitiful surviving remnants of humanity ( but , hey , ten hot women for every man !
) knowing that if they ever had to be used for their ostensive purpose , humanity was already screwed .
Well , interstate loops around large cities were meant to encourage development that might help contain a nuclear blast , maybe the same idea can help hold back the water !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They think it'll prove politically impossible to change course and stop the rise in sea level?
What are their plans for handling starving refugees?
Or, merely feeding themselves?
Living with tropical diseases?
I think a little more thought on the disruptions would encourage a redoubling of efforts to stop the warming.
It is not yet too late for that.
This kind of planning smacks of Cold War futility and madness, when quite a few nuclear bomb shelters were built and plans made to retreat to mine shafts with the pitiful surviving remnants of humanity (but, hey, ten hot women for every man!
) knowing that if they ever had to be used for their ostensive purpose, humanity was already screwed.
Well, interstate loops around large cities were meant to encourage development that might help contain a nuclear blast, maybe the same idea can help hold back the water!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30806970</id>
	<title>Re:Hold Up Here</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1263823500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be honest, I think it's misleading.</p><p>That's what they're suggesting, in reality, as someone who lives in England, I think what is happening is that due to the housing boom over the last 10 years or so, housing developers decided it'd be a good idea to build as many houses as possible to rake in the profits.</p><p>The problem is, England is small, and there isn't a lot of spare cheap land for building.</p><p>Enter flood plains, for some reason these builders have been allowed to build on low lying areas, flood plains and so forth, areas that are useless for most building and farming and hence cheap.</p><p>So I'd wager that a good portion of the people under threat from flooding in the UK now are those who were naive enough to not think of the problems that could arise in the area they chose to buy their house. Since the floods a couple of years ago, the British government has actually stopped some of this sillyness of building on flood plains, but there's still thousands of houses built on areas vulnerable to flooding.</p><p>Hence, it's not really that sea levels are rising enough to endanger cities right now, but that  builders are stupid enough to build and people are stupid enough to buy houses in areas that always were at risk to flooding.</p><p>The ideal solution would've been to reclaim unused industrial and inner city areas, but cleaning them up costs more than building on empty flood plains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , I think it 's misleading.That 's what they 're suggesting , in reality , as someone who lives in England , I think what is happening is that due to the housing boom over the last 10 years or so , housing developers decided it 'd be a good idea to build as many houses as possible to rake in the profits.The problem is , England is small , and there is n't a lot of spare cheap land for building.Enter flood plains , for some reason these builders have been allowed to build on low lying areas , flood plains and so forth , areas that are useless for most building and farming and hence cheap.So I 'd wager that a good portion of the people under threat from flooding in the UK now are those who were naive enough to not think of the problems that could arise in the area they chose to buy their house .
Since the floods a couple of years ago , the British government has actually stopped some of this sillyness of building on flood plains , but there 's still thousands of houses built on areas vulnerable to flooding.Hence , it 's not really that sea levels are rising enough to endanger cities right now , but that builders are stupid enough to build and people are stupid enough to buy houses in areas that always were at risk to flooding.The ideal solution would 've been to reclaim unused industrial and inner city areas , but cleaning them up costs more than building on empty flood plains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, I think it's misleading.That's what they're suggesting, in reality, as someone who lives in England, I think what is happening is that due to the housing boom over the last 10 years or so, housing developers decided it'd be a good idea to build as many houses as possible to rake in the profits.The problem is, England is small, and there isn't a lot of spare cheap land for building.Enter flood plains, for some reason these builders have been allowed to build on low lying areas, flood plains and so forth, areas that are useless for most building and farming and hence cheap.So I'd wager that a good portion of the people under threat from flooding in the UK now are those who were naive enough to not think of the problems that could arise in the area they chose to buy their house.
Since the floods a couple of years ago, the British government has actually stopped some of this sillyness of building on flood plains, but there's still thousands of houses built on areas vulnerable to flooding.Hence, it's not really that sea levels are rising enough to endanger cities right now, but that  builders are stupid enough to build and people are stupid enough to buy houses in areas that always were at risk to flooding.The ideal solution would've been to reclaim unused industrial and inner city areas, but cleaning them up costs more than building on empty flood plains.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Machine Translation</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1263646080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Only if you use Google/Yahoo</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only if you use Google/Yahoo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only if you use Google/Yahoo</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30794504</id>
	<title>Re:water towers</title>
	<author>qazadex</author>
	<datestamp>1263646320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>what a shame that it doesnt matter shit that the north pole melts. ice in water = already displacing volume.</htmltext>
<tokenext>what a shame that it doesnt matter shit that the north pole melts .
ice in water = already displacing volume .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what a shame that it doesnt matter shit that the north pole melts.
ice in water = already displacing volume.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791884</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>Zordak</author>
	<datestamp>1263669720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there are climate scientists trying to disprove global warming, but they fail,... what does THAT tell you?</p></div><p>That it's not a real, honest-to-goodness, falsifiable scientific theory, but rather just a bunch of "best guesses" based on computer models?  But don't worry.  Just send all your money to Al Gore and he will personally guarantee that these here carbon dioxide molecules leave you and your family alone.  (Alternate metaphor:  "The end is near!  It is imminent!  Send Al Gore your money now to ensure your salvation from the Carbon Beast!")</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there are climate scientists trying to disprove global warming , but they fail,... what does THAT tell you ? That it 's not a real , honest-to-goodness , falsifiable scientific theory , but rather just a bunch of " best guesses " based on computer models ?
But do n't worry .
Just send all your money to Al Gore and he will personally guarantee that these here carbon dioxide molecules leave you and your family alone .
( Alternate metaphor : " The end is near !
It is imminent !
Send Al Gore your money now to ensure your salvation from the Carbon Beast !
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are climate scientists trying to disprove global warming, but they fail,... what does THAT tell you?That it's not a real, honest-to-goodness, falsifiable scientific theory, but rather just a bunch of "best guesses" based on computer models?
But don't worry.
Just send all your money to Al Gore and he will personally guarantee that these here carbon dioxide molecules leave you and your family alone.
(Alternate metaphor:  "The end is near!
It is imminent!
Send Al Gore your money now to ensure your salvation from the Carbon Beast!
")
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30797848</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, right</title>
	<author>GNious</author>
	<datestamp>1263739620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've met one of those<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... sooo annoying</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've met one of those ... sooo annoying</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've met one of those ... sooo annoying</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30794450</id>
	<title>Works Good</title>
	<author>omb</author>
	<datestamp>1263645900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every time I am in the Netherlands I simply marvel at the energy and efficiency of the water management. Amsterdam airport Schipol is 7m (23 feet) below sea level.<br><br>I was once asked by a colleague coming from Brussels (Belgium) to Amsterdam (NL) how he could tell when he crossed the frontier, and I said, "It's simple, when you see the sleepy cows in a wet field replaced by bright yellow earth moving machines, then you are in the Netherlands".<br><br>Gaag gedaan!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time I am in the Netherlands I simply marvel at the energy and efficiency of the water management .
Amsterdam airport Schipol is 7m ( 23 feet ) below sea level.I was once asked by a colleague coming from Brussels ( Belgium ) to Amsterdam ( NL ) how he could tell when he crossed the frontier , and I said , " It 's simple , when you see the sleepy cows in a wet field replaced by bright yellow earth moving machines , then you are in the Netherlands " .Gaag gedaan !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time I am in the Netherlands I simply marvel at the energy and efficiency of the water management.
Amsterdam airport Schipol is 7m (23 feet) below sea level.I was once asked by a colleague coming from Brussels (Belgium) to Amsterdam (NL) how he could tell when he crossed the frontier, and I said, "It's simple, when you see the sleepy cows in a wet field replaced by bright yellow earth moving machines, then you are in the Netherlands".Gaag gedaan!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791466</id>
	<title>Nuclear power station highest priority</title>
	<author>mdsolar</author>
	<datestamp>1263666900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The things we build with the longest planning horizon are nuclear power stations.  They need that horizon because decommissioning can take such a long time.  This makes nuclear power stations the projects most affected by sea level rise of all our current undertakings when sited in tidal regions.  In the UK most stations are by the sea owing to lack of suitable rivers to provide cooling.  Many current sites appear to have serious geological problems in the face of sea level rise detailed in this report:  <a href="http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/the-impacts-of-climate-change-on-nuclear-power-station-sites" title="greenpeace.org.uk">http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/the-impacts-of-climate-change-on-nuclear-power-station-sites</a> [greenpeace.org.uk]  At least the UK is looking at this issue.  In the US, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission refuses to consider the problem at all yet the US has many more inland sites than the UK and could simply defer consideration of licenses in tidal areas until sea level rise is better understood.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The things we build with the longest planning horizon are nuclear power stations .
They need that horizon because decommissioning can take such a long time .
This makes nuclear power stations the projects most affected by sea level rise of all our current undertakings when sited in tidal regions .
In the UK most stations are by the sea owing to lack of suitable rivers to provide cooling .
Many current sites appear to have serious geological problems in the face of sea level rise detailed in this report : http : //www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/the-impacts-of-climate-change-on-nuclear-power-station-sites [ greenpeace.org.uk ] At least the UK is looking at this issue .
In the US , the Nuclear Regulatory Commission refuses to consider the problem at all yet the US has many more inland sites than the UK and could simply defer consideration of licenses in tidal areas until sea level rise is better understood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The things we build with the longest planning horizon are nuclear power stations.
They need that horizon because decommissioning can take such a long time.
This makes nuclear power stations the projects most affected by sea level rise of all our current undertakings when sited in tidal regions.
In the UK most stations are by the sea owing to lack of suitable rivers to provide cooling.
Many current sites appear to have serious geological problems in the face of sea level rise detailed in this report:  http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/reports/the-impacts-of-climate-change-on-nuclear-power-station-sites [greenpeace.org.uk]  At least the UK is looking at this issue.
In the US, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission refuses to consider the problem at all yet the US has many more inland sites than the UK and could simply defer consideration of licenses in tidal areas until sea level rise is better understood.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791946</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263670080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Quoth Nils-Axel M&#246;rner, the same joker that has received the "Deceiver of the Year" Award by the Swedish Association of Science and Popular Enlightenment because he was actually holding university courses in Dowsing. I'm all for listening to the message, not the messenger, but this fellow has certainly, beyond reasonable doubt proven that he is no friend of the scientific process.</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel\_M\%C3\%B6rner#Views\_on\_dowsing</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quoth Nils-Axel M   rner , the same joker that has received the " Deceiver of the Year " Award by the Swedish Association of Science and Popular Enlightenment because he was actually holding university courses in Dowsing .
I 'm all for listening to the message , not the messenger , but this fellow has certainly , beyond reasonable doubt proven that he is no friend of the scientific process.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel \ _M \ % C3 \ % B6rner # Views \ _on \ _dowsing</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quoth Nils-Axel Mörner, the same joker that has received the "Deceiver of the Year" Award by the Swedish Association of Science and Popular Enlightenment because he was actually holding university courses in Dowsing.
I'm all for listening to the message, not the messenger, but this fellow has certainly, beyond reasonable doubt proven that he is no friend of the scientific process.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils-Axel\_M\%C3\%B6rner#Views\_on\_dowsing</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790960</id>
	<title>Re:the ultimate solution</title>
	<author>petes\_PoV</author>
	<datestamp>1263663420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Though getting out of bed on the wrong side &lt;splooosh&gt; is a bit of a bummer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Though getting out of bed on the wrong side is a bit of a bummer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though getting out of bed on the wrong side  is a bit of a bummer.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>cowscows</author>
	<datestamp>1263672840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Corps of Engineers had been telling the city that things were fine, and nobody had anything to worry about. Even now, after Katrina, with way more scrutiny and lots of different people pointing out various flaws and issues with how the Corps is proceeding, they continue to tell us that they've got it all under control, and that it's all going great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Corps of Engineers had been telling the city that things were fine , and nobody had anything to worry about .
Even now , after Katrina , with way more scrutiny and lots of different people pointing out various flaws and issues with how the Corps is proceeding , they continue to tell us that they 've got it all under control , and that it 's all going great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Corps of Engineers had been telling the city that things were fine, and nobody had anything to worry about.
Even now, after Katrina, with way more scrutiny and lots of different people pointing out various flaws and issues with how the Corps is proceeding, they continue to tell us that they've got it all under control, and that it's all going great.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793084</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263636240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The way we deal with that in the U.S. is when rich people build houses in areas no sane company would insure them, the gov't steps in and offers insurance! Whee! Building on a flood plain? No problem! Barrier island? We've got you covered!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way we deal with that in the U.S. is when rich people build houses in areas no sane company would insure them , the gov't steps in and offers insurance !
Whee ! Building on a flood plain ?
No problem !
Barrier island ?
We 've got you covered !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way we deal with that in the U.S. is when rich people build houses in areas no sane company would insure them, the gov't steps in and offers insurance!
Whee! Building on a flood plain?
No problem!
Barrier island?
We've got you covered!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30806122</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263814620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They only make up a small percentage of the problem.  The real problem is that, as with everywhere else, cities tend to build around rivers and harbours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They only make up a small percentage of the problem .
The real problem is that , as with everywhere else , cities tend to build around rivers and harbours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They only make up a small percentage of the problem.
The real problem is that, as with everywhere else, cities tend to build around rivers and harbours.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790804</id>
	<title>The solution seems obvious</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263662160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Hire some Dutchmen to fix it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hire some Dutchmen to fix it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hire some Dutchmen to fix it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:the ultimate solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263666060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Live in a house boat. They float. An chicks dig house boats."</p><p>Two words:  "Storm surge".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Live in a house boat .
They float .
An chicks dig house boats .
" Two words : " Storm surge " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Live in a house boat.
They float.
An chicks dig house boats.
"Two words:  "Storm surge".</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Nice to get some bargain beachfront property</title>
	<author>slashbart</author>
	<datestamp>1263761280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Thanks for calling me names.<br>
Fortunately I feel quite justified in having my own opinion on the science behind AGW; after all I have a cum laude Masters in Physics. I've spent most of my career in University labs, so I don't share your trust in the perfection of science. There are a lot of dumb and/or bad scientists, and there is a lot of bad science done and published. I happen to think that a lot of the science behind AGW is really bad, and as far as the computer modelling goes: anyone that thinks we are currently capable to accurate model an open energy system as complicated as climate, is not aware of the difficulties of computational physics. The <i>predictions</i> of these models are as reliable as simple extrapolation of the past, and the last 10 years of level or slightly dropping global average temperatures is proof that simple extrapolation of trendlines from last century (which period?) does not cut the mustard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for calling me names .
Fortunately I feel quite justified in having my own opinion on the science behind AGW ; after all I have a cum laude Masters in Physics .
I 've spent most of my career in University labs , so I do n't share your trust in the perfection of science .
There are a lot of dumb and/or bad scientists , and there is a lot of bad science done and published .
I happen to think that a lot of the science behind AGW is really bad , and as far as the computer modelling goes : anyone that thinks we are currently capable to accurate model an open energy system as complicated as climate , is not aware of the difficulties of computational physics .
The predictions of these models are as reliable as simple extrapolation of the past , and the last 10 years of level or slightly dropping global average temperatures is proof that simple extrapolation of trendlines from last century ( which period ?
) does not cut the mustard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for calling me names.
Fortunately I feel quite justified in having my own opinion on the science behind AGW; after all I have a cum laude Masters in Physics.
I've spent most of my career in University labs, so I don't share your trust in the perfection of science.
There are a lot of dumb and/or bad scientists, and there is a lot of bad science done and published.
I happen to think that a lot of the science behind AGW is really bad, and as far as the computer modelling goes: anyone that thinks we are currently capable to accurate model an open energy system as complicated as climate, is not aware of the difficulties of computational physics.
The predictions of these models are as reliable as simple extrapolation of the past, and the last 10 years of level or slightly dropping global average temperatures is proof that simple extrapolation of trendlines from last century (which period?
) does not cut the mustard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793756</id>
	<title>Don't fight it... No, seriously.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263641280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Undersea cities. Just build a roof if you already have walls.</p><p>For sunlight, optic fiber -- already been used to light inner rooms.</p><p>Or a treat: big floating/submersible platforms for amusement/sports, reachable by some kind of elevator/wirecar (underwater).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Undersea cities .
Just build a roof if you already have walls.For sunlight , optic fiber -- already been used to light inner rooms.Or a treat : big floating/submersible platforms for amusement/sports , reachable by some kind of elevator/wirecar ( underwater ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Undersea cities.
Just build a roof if you already have walls.For sunlight, optic fiber -- already been used to light inner rooms.Or a treat: big floating/submersible platforms for amusement/sports, reachable by some kind of elevator/wirecar (underwater).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790986</id>
	<title>Global Warming?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263663540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shouldn't global warming make the sea retreat?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should n't global warming make the sea retreat ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shouldn't global warming make the sea retreat?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791124</id>
	<title>Solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263664440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prevention.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prevention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prevention.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30795108</id>
	<title>Re:the ultimate solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263651960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I *do* live on a houseboat, and i can assure you, your statement is false.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I * do * live on a houseboat , and i can assure you , your statement is false .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I *do* live on a houseboat, and i can assure you, your statement is false.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791274</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263665520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In summer, the river's at the bottom of the garden; in winter the garden's at the bottom of the river...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In summer , the river 's at the bottom of the garden ; in winter the garden 's at the bottom of the river.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In summer, the river's at the bottom of the garden; in winter the garden's at the bottom of the river...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791638</id>
	<title>Re:Not pork</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1263667920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Protecting vulnerable coastal areas with levees and such is a valuable investment in human life."</p><p>You don't need a levee if you don't build in an area that require a levee. The US is vast, no one requires to live below sea level or in areas inevitably subject to storm surge.</p><p>The intelligent and ethical way to protect people from the consequences of living below sea level or in other extremely vulnerable areas where no one would build a city now is to prohibit them from doing it.</p><p>Let's remember that NOLA is a consequence of terrible choices about where to build. There is a vast amount of room available in the US, but people relentlessly insisted on building in low areas that were vulnerable. Now they relentlessly crave to return there for nothing more than emotional reasons. The rest of us shouldn't have to pay for their utterly indefensible choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Protecting vulnerable coastal areas with levees and such is a valuable investment in human life .
" You do n't need a levee if you do n't build in an area that require a levee .
The US is vast , no one requires to live below sea level or in areas inevitably subject to storm surge.The intelligent and ethical way to protect people from the consequences of living below sea level or in other extremely vulnerable areas where no one would build a city now is to prohibit them from doing it.Let 's remember that NOLA is a consequence of terrible choices about where to build .
There is a vast amount of room available in the US , but people relentlessly insisted on building in low areas that were vulnerable .
Now they relentlessly crave to return there for nothing more than emotional reasons .
The rest of us should n't have to pay for their utterly indefensible choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Protecting vulnerable coastal areas with levees and such is a valuable investment in human life.
"You don't need a levee if you don't build in an area that require a levee.
The US is vast, no one requires to live below sea level or in areas inevitably subject to storm surge.The intelligent and ethical way to protect people from the consequences of living below sea level or in other extremely vulnerable areas where no one would build a city now is to prohibit them from doing it.Let's remember that NOLA is a consequence of terrible choices about where to build.
There is a vast amount of room available in the US, but people relentlessly insisted on building in low areas that were vulnerable.
Now they relentlessly crave to return there for nothing more than emotional reasons.
The rest of us shouldn't have to pay for their utterly indefensible choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30795720</id>
	<title>Yes, sea levels are rising...</title>
	<author>JBaustian</author>
	<datestamp>1263658920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sea levels rose an estimated 12-18 inches during the 20th century. Didn't you hear about it? It was bigger news than the two world wars, putting men on the moon, and all those other lesser stories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sea levels rose an estimated 12-18 inches during the 20th century .
Did n't you hear about it ?
It was bigger news than the two world wars , putting men on the moon , and all those other lesser stories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sea levels rose an estimated 12-18 inches during the 20th century.
Didn't you hear about it?
It was bigger news than the two world wars, putting men on the moon, and all those other lesser stories.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792654</id>
	<title>Re:This is a Darwin test people</title>
	<author>Miamicanes</author>
	<datestamp>1263632640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; If you happen to live in these flood prone locations there are two choices:<br>&gt; a) Fix the entire world to stop rising waters ---- not likely.<br>&gt; b) MOVE to higher ground.</p><p>You forgot option 'c' --</p><p>c) Make the ground you already own a foot or two higher.</p><p>A hundred years ago, the land my house sits on (western Pembroke Pines, Florida) was theoretically (if not actually) underwater a few months per year. It wasn't swamp... it was outright, honest-to-god 'Everglades'. Yet, talking to my neighbors, the neighborhood has never flooded -- or even came close to it -- in ~30 years.</p><p>Why?</p><p>The big dike a few miles west, and the huge drainage canals everywhere obviously help... but there's another factor: the developer turned the low-lying areas into deep lakes, and used the debris to raise the surrounding area. So... when we have a really bad (read: daily) summer downpour, the water runs into the storm drains, then gets dumped a few hundred feet away in those same lakes.</p><p>The work quite well. Last month, large parts of South Florida were flooded for a day or two after massive downpours that dumped more than a foot of rain. We barely even had puddles on the roads.</p><p>Media propaganda to the contrary, FEMA doesn't just dump money into low-lying areas. If you build a house in a floodplain and it gets flooded, FEMA (as a condition of making flood insurance available to an area) requires that the local government pass laws requiring rebuilt homes to have their lowest habitable floor a couple of feet above the "500 year" water level. You can buy landfill to raise your lot's height, you can build on pilings, or you can take the insurance money and head for the hills. What you *can't* do is put yourself in the exact same situation you were in beforehand.</p><p>Over time, economically valuable parts of low-lying cities will get rebuilt on pilings. Over the next 25-50 years, the roads get rebuilt higher, with better storm drains and stormwater retention ponds.</p><p>The controversy in New Orleans is that people in the flooded areas wanted special treatment &amp; exemption from the rules -- to which FEMA firmly said, "No. You'll rebuild on pilings, or you won't rebuild. This isn't oppression by The Man... it's common sense."</p><p>My prediction: the poorest, lowest-lying, most destroyed parts of New Orleans that aren't likely to be rebuilt anytime soon will sit vacant for a few years, until property values rise high enough for large corporate developers (Toll Brothers, Lennar, etc) to start quietly buying up large tracts of low-lying land. Once they own enough, they'll do the same thing there that they've done in Florida: dig a deep lake and/or surround the new community with a moat^h^h^h^h linear retention pond, build new concrete storm drains and streets above the historical flood level, then backfill the remaining area &amp; turn it into expensive waterfront suburbia.</p><p>Want to know what future coastlines in areas supposedly vulnerable to rising sea levels will look like? Go to South Beach. Most people don't even REALIZE it until you point it out to them, but it's actually surrounded by a huge dike -- the artificial dunes built as part of the beach renourishment program in the 80s and 90s, and the streets along the island's perimeter that have been progressively raised during widening and reconstruction to form de-facto dikes. Ditto, for Miami's bayfront neighborhoods.</p><p>The strategy is simple: raise the roads, and let the wealthy property owners on the lower waterfront side worry about raising their own property level when they end up rebuilding -- possibly due to storm damage, more likely due to bulldozing away the older single-family homes and replacing them with skyscrapers. Any time a road in Florida gets widened, it almost always gets rebuilt a foot or two higher than it used to be. Stir, rinse, repeat for a hundred years, and by the time the sea level rises enough to flood areas that are dry today, hardly anyone will even notice. The areas that flood will have been floodin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; If you happen to live in these flood prone locations there are two choices : &gt; a ) Fix the entire world to stop rising waters ---- not likely. &gt; b ) MOVE to higher ground.You forgot option 'c ' --c ) Make the ground you already own a foot or two higher.A hundred years ago , the land my house sits on ( western Pembroke Pines , Florida ) was theoretically ( if not actually ) underwater a few months per year .
It was n't swamp... it was outright , honest-to-god 'Everglades' .
Yet , talking to my neighbors , the neighborhood has never flooded -- or even came close to it -- in ~ 30 years.Why ? The big dike a few miles west , and the huge drainage canals everywhere obviously help... but there 's another factor : the developer turned the low-lying areas into deep lakes , and used the debris to raise the surrounding area .
So... when we have a really bad ( read : daily ) summer downpour , the water runs into the storm drains , then gets dumped a few hundred feet away in those same lakes.The work quite well .
Last month , large parts of South Florida were flooded for a day or two after massive downpours that dumped more than a foot of rain .
We barely even had puddles on the roads.Media propaganda to the contrary , FEMA does n't just dump money into low-lying areas .
If you build a house in a floodplain and it gets flooded , FEMA ( as a condition of making flood insurance available to an area ) requires that the local government pass laws requiring rebuilt homes to have their lowest habitable floor a couple of feet above the " 500 year " water level .
You can buy landfill to raise your lot 's height , you can build on pilings , or you can take the insurance money and head for the hills .
What you * ca n't * do is put yourself in the exact same situation you were in beforehand.Over time , economically valuable parts of low-lying cities will get rebuilt on pilings .
Over the next 25-50 years , the roads get rebuilt higher , with better storm drains and stormwater retention ponds.The controversy in New Orleans is that people in the flooded areas wanted special treatment &amp; exemption from the rules -- to which FEMA firmly said , " No .
You 'll rebuild on pilings , or you wo n't rebuild .
This is n't oppression by The Man... it 's common sense .
" My prediction : the poorest , lowest-lying , most destroyed parts of New Orleans that are n't likely to be rebuilt anytime soon will sit vacant for a few years , until property values rise high enough for large corporate developers ( Toll Brothers , Lennar , etc ) to start quietly buying up large tracts of low-lying land .
Once they own enough , they 'll do the same thing there that they 've done in Florida : dig a deep lake and/or surround the new community with a moat ^ h ^ h ^ h ^ h linear retention pond , build new concrete storm drains and streets above the historical flood level , then backfill the remaining area &amp; turn it into expensive waterfront suburbia.Want to know what future coastlines in areas supposedly vulnerable to rising sea levels will look like ?
Go to South Beach .
Most people do n't even REALIZE it until you point it out to them , but it 's actually surrounded by a huge dike -- the artificial dunes built as part of the beach renourishment program in the 80s and 90s , and the streets along the island 's perimeter that have been progressively raised during widening and reconstruction to form de-facto dikes .
Ditto , for Miami 's bayfront neighborhoods.The strategy is simple : raise the roads , and let the wealthy property owners on the lower waterfront side worry about raising their own property level when they end up rebuilding -- possibly due to storm damage , more likely due to bulldozing away the older single-family homes and replacing them with skyscrapers .
Any time a road in Florida gets widened , it almost always gets rebuilt a foot or two higher than it used to be .
Stir , rinse , repeat for a hundred years , and by the time the sea level rises enough to flood areas that are dry today , hardly anyone will even notice .
The areas that flood will have been floodin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; If you happen to live in these flood prone locations there are two choices:&gt; a) Fix the entire world to stop rising waters ---- not likely.&gt; b) MOVE to higher ground.You forgot option 'c' --c) Make the ground you already own a foot or two higher.A hundred years ago, the land my house sits on (western Pembroke Pines, Florida) was theoretically (if not actually) underwater a few months per year.
It wasn't swamp... it was outright, honest-to-god 'Everglades'.
Yet, talking to my neighbors, the neighborhood has never flooded -- or even came close to it -- in ~30 years.Why?The big dike a few miles west, and the huge drainage canals everywhere obviously help... but there's another factor: the developer turned the low-lying areas into deep lakes, and used the debris to raise the surrounding area.
So... when we have a really bad (read: daily) summer downpour, the water runs into the storm drains, then gets dumped a few hundred feet away in those same lakes.The work quite well.
Last month, large parts of South Florida were flooded for a day or two after massive downpours that dumped more than a foot of rain.
We barely even had puddles on the roads.Media propaganda to the contrary, FEMA doesn't just dump money into low-lying areas.
If you build a house in a floodplain and it gets flooded, FEMA (as a condition of making flood insurance available to an area) requires that the local government pass laws requiring rebuilt homes to have their lowest habitable floor a couple of feet above the "500 year" water level.
You can buy landfill to raise your lot's height, you can build on pilings, or you can take the insurance money and head for the hills.
What you *can't* do is put yourself in the exact same situation you were in beforehand.Over time, economically valuable parts of low-lying cities will get rebuilt on pilings.
Over the next 25-50 years, the roads get rebuilt higher, with better storm drains and stormwater retention ponds.The controversy in New Orleans is that people in the flooded areas wanted special treatment &amp; exemption from the rules -- to which FEMA firmly said, "No.
You'll rebuild on pilings, or you won't rebuild.
This isn't oppression by The Man... it's common sense.
"My prediction: the poorest, lowest-lying, most destroyed parts of New Orleans that aren't likely to be rebuilt anytime soon will sit vacant for a few years, until property values rise high enough for large corporate developers (Toll Brothers, Lennar, etc) to start quietly buying up large tracts of low-lying land.
Once they own enough, they'll do the same thing there that they've done in Florida: dig a deep lake and/or surround the new community with a moat^h^h^h^h linear retention pond, build new concrete storm drains and streets above the historical flood level, then backfill the remaining area &amp; turn it into expensive waterfront suburbia.Want to know what future coastlines in areas supposedly vulnerable to rising sea levels will look like?
Go to South Beach.
Most people don't even REALIZE it until you point it out to them, but it's actually surrounded by a huge dike -- the artificial dunes built as part of the beach renourishment program in the 80s and 90s, and the streets along the island's perimeter that have been progressively raised during widening and reconstruction to form de-facto dikes.
Ditto, for Miami's bayfront neighborhoods.The strategy is simple: raise the roads, and let the wealthy property owners on the lower waterfront side worry about raising their own property level when they end up rebuilding -- possibly due to storm damage, more likely due to bulldozing away the older single-family homes and replacing them with skyscrapers.
Any time a road in Florida gets widened, it almost always gets rebuilt a foot or two higher than it used to be.
Stir, rinse, repeat for a hundred years, and by the time the sea level rises enough to flood areas that are dry today, hardly anyone will even notice.
The areas that flood will have been floodin</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791854</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1263669480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Orleans didn't need to do it at all.</p><p>The idea of building in such an area was excusable when people knew no better, but the vast space available in the US means there is now no intelligent reason to have anything but a port and supporting infrastructure in NOLA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Orleans did n't need to do it at all.The idea of building in such an area was excusable when people knew no better , but the vast space available in the US means there is now no intelligent reason to have anything but a port and supporting infrastructure in NOLA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Orleans didn't need to do it at all.The idea of building in such an area was excusable when people knew no better, but the vast space available in the US means there is now no intelligent reason to have anything but a port and supporting infrastructure in NOLA.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30797140</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1263728160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here in Austria, if an area gets flooded too often the insurance company can offer relocation instead. The all houses  rebuild/fixed after that in that area can't get any insurance. Makes sense really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Austria , if an area gets flooded too often the insurance company can offer relocation instead .
The all houses rebuild/fixed after that in that area ca n't get any insurance .
Makes sense really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Austria, if an area gets flooded too often the insurance company can offer relocation instead.
The all houses  rebuild/fixed after that in that area can't get any insurance.
Makes sense really.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791068</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263664020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a fact jack.  Sea levels are due to rise several inches over the next few decades.  The average rise for the last 100 years has been 1.8mm per year.  Get ready for waterworld.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a fact jack .
Sea levels are due to rise several inches over the next few decades .
The average rise for the last 100 years has been 1.8mm per year .
Get ready for waterworld .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a fact jack.
Sea levels are due to rise several inches over the next few decades.
The average rise for the last 100 years has been 1.8mm per year.
Get ready for waterworld.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791768</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Rockoon</author>
	<datestamp>1263668880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thats exactly it as far as I am concerned.<br>
<br>
I dont want to foot the bill for people in flood regions when the river misbehaves, just like I don't want to foot the bill for people on the coast when the ocean misbehaves.<br>
<br>
Next up: People living next to an active volcano situated on a fault line on a river basin that is somehow under sea level on a hill where mudslides are common, want help.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats exactly it as far as I am concerned .
I dont want to foot the bill for people in flood regions when the river misbehaves , just like I do n't want to foot the bill for people on the coast when the ocean misbehaves .
Next up : People living next to an active volcano situated on a fault line on a river basin that is somehow under sea level on a hill where mudslides are common , want help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats exactly it as far as I am concerned.
I dont want to foot the bill for people in flood regions when the river misbehaves, just like I don't want to foot the bill for people on the coast when the ocean misbehaves.
Next up: People living next to an active volcano situated on a fault line on a river basin that is somehow under sea level on a hill where mudslides are common, want help.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790990</id>
	<title>Under</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263663600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>London the first underwater capital!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>London the first underwater capital !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London the first underwater capital!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790900</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, right</title>
	<author>Daimanta</author>
	<datestamp>1263663060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's hardly a strange name. Not if you know that the Dutch have a seperate "vowel" which is i and j combined (ij) and sounds almost the same as "y" in "why". Do the Dutch word dijk becomes the English word "dyke". The word "afsluit" is equivalent to the English words "close down". In essence it means "a dyke that closes down" and it's a reference to the sea inlet called the Zuidersea (or South Sea) and turned into a lake. Yes, the South Sea was originally the other connected to the "North Sea" until we pacified its rough waters. It's a source of engineering pride for us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's hardly a strange name .
Not if you know that the Dutch have a seperate " vowel " which is i and j combined ( ij ) and sounds almost the same as " y " in " why " .
Do the Dutch word dijk becomes the English word " dyke " .
The word " afsluit " is equivalent to the English words " close down " .
In essence it means " a dyke that closes down " and it 's a reference to the sea inlet called the Zuidersea ( or South Sea ) and turned into a lake .
Yes , the South Sea was originally the other connected to the " North Sea " until we pacified its rough waters .
It 's a source of engineering pride for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's hardly a strange name.
Not if you know that the Dutch have a seperate "vowel" which is i and j combined (ij) and sounds almost the same as "y" in "why".
Do the Dutch word dijk becomes the English word "dyke".
The word "afsluit" is equivalent to the English words "close down".
In essence it means "a dyke that closes down" and it's a reference to the sea inlet called the Zuidersea (or South Sea) and turned into a lake.
Yes, the South Sea was originally the other connected to the "North Sea" until we pacified its rough waters.
It's a source of engineering pride for us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793250</id>
	<title>Re:Other news</title>
	<author>quisxt</author>
	<datestamp>1263637800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, you might want to ask the Tibetans about how that works out<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , you might want to ask the Tibetans about how that works out : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, you might want to ask the Tibetans about how that works out :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791142</id>
	<title>Re:Not pork</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263664560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because we should all live next to the ocean, on sand, at the mouth of a frequently flooding river, in hurricane alley.</p><p>OR people could take responsibility for making HORRIBLE decisions about where to build a house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because we should all live next to the ocean , on sand , at the mouth of a frequently flooding river , in hurricane alley.OR people could take responsibility for making HORRIBLE decisions about where to build a house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because we should all live next to the ocean, on sand, at the mouth of a frequently flooding river, in hurricane alley.OR people could take responsibility for making HORRIBLE decisions about where to build a house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792210</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263672300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I once stuck my finger in a dyke that closes down...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I once stuck my finger in a dyke that closes down.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once stuck my finger in a dyke that closes down...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791072</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>Daniel Dvorkin</author>
	<datestamp>1263664020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Orleans did it <b>badly</b>.  The Corps of Engineers had been warning for a very, very long time that the levees were in terrible shape (and in many cases poorly sited) but everyone ignored the warnings until they were illustrated in dramatic fashion.</p><p>How long a time?  Well, my great-grandfather, William Elam, was one of the leading hydrological engineers of his day; he wrote "Speeding Floods to the Sea" which was pretty much <b>the</b> standard textbook on flood control on the Mississippi for the mid-twentieth century.  And he warned about a Katrina-type scenario then, in 1946, and probably well before that.  The knowledge was there to fix the problem.  What was lacking, for decades, was the political will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Orleans did it badly .
The Corps of Engineers had been warning for a very , very long time that the levees were in terrible shape ( and in many cases poorly sited ) but everyone ignored the warnings until they were illustrated in dramatic fashion.How long a time ?
Well , my great-grandfather , William Elam , was one of the leading hydrological engineers of his day ; he wrote " Speeding Floods to the Sea " which was pretty much the standard textbook on flood control on the Mississippi for the mid-twentieth century .
And he warned about a Katrina-type scenario then , in 1946 , and probably well before that .
The knowledge was there to fix the problem .
What was lacking , for decades , was the political will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Orleans did it badly.
The Corps of Engineers had been warning for a very, very long time that the levees were in terrible shape (and in many cases poorly sited) but everyone ignored the warnings until they were illustrated in dramatic fashion.How long a time?
Well, my great-grandfather, William Elam, was one of the leading hydrological engineers of his day; he wrote "Speeding Floods to the Sea" which was pretty much the standard textbook on flood control on the Mississippi for the mid-twentieth century.
And he warned about a Katrina-type scenario then, in 1946, and probably well before that.
The knowledge was there to fix the problem.
What was lacking, for decades, was the political will.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791876</id>
	<title>Re:It's How We Are</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1263669660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't have to give up on inhabiting coastal areas, but we don't have to locate in flood zones and highly vulnerable areas. We can make decisions based on logic instead of emotion, and those of us who will get skinned by the taxman to pay for the stupid choices of others can fight back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't have to give up on inhabiting coastal areas , but we do n't have to locate in flood zones and highly vulnerable areas .
We can make decisions based on logic instead of emotion , and those of us who will get skinned by the taxman to pay for the stupid choices of others can fight back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't have to give up on inhabiting coastal areas, but we don't have to locate in flood zones and highly vulnerable areas.
We can make decisions based on logic instead of emotion, and those of us who will get skinned by the taxman to pay for the stupid choices of others can fight back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30796336</id>
	<title>Sympathy from a geologist :</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1263669060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look people, use your fucking brains and don't buy property that doesn't have at least 10m of freeboard between it and the nearest drainage route. In a small number of areas, use a figure of 20m instead of 10m. As for people who've already been stupid enough to buy such property, which now has zero resale value : tough shit.</p><p>I've got 80m freeboard between my cellar and the nearest river, and this was not an accident. I simply rejected housing adverts from areas of the city that didn't have sufficient freeboard. It's not rocket surgery. Or brain science.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look people , use your fucking brains and do n't buy property that does n't have at least 10m of freeboard between it and the nearest drainage route .
In a small number of areas , use a figure of 20m instead of 10m .
As for people who 've already been stupid enough to buy such property , which now has zero resale value : tough shit.I 've got 80m freeboard between my cellar and the nearest river , and this was not an accident .
I simply rejected housing adverts from areas of the city that did n't have sufficient freeboard .
It 's not rocket surgery .
Or brain science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look people, use your fucking brains and don't buy property that doesn't have at least 10m of freeboard between it and the nearest drainage route.
In a small number of areas, use a figure of 20m instead of 10m.
As for people who've already been stupid enough to buy such property, which now has zero resale value : tough shit.I've got 80m freeboard between my cellar and the nearest river, and this was not an accident.
I simply rejected housing adverts from areas of the city that didn't have sufficient freeboard.
It's not rocket surgery.
Or brain science.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790946</id>
	<title>Not pork</title>
	<author>Rob Kaper</author>
	<datestamp>1263663360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whomever labeled this "pork" should think of New Orleans and reconsider. Protecting vulnerable coastal areas with levees and such is a valuable investment in human life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whomever labeled this " pork " should think of New Orleans and reconsider .
Protecting vulnerable coastal areas with levees and such is a valuable investment in human life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whomever labeled this "pork" should think of New Orleans and reconsider.
Protecting vulnerable coastal areas with levees and such is a valuable investment in human life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30794738</id>
	<title>Lake Torrens, Lake Eyre are the solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263648060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Australia there are 2 VAST lakes that are below sea level.<br>It would require:<br>70km of canal digging to Lake Torrens from Port Augusta.<br>50km of canal digging to Lake Eyre From Lake Torrens.<br>A couple of Km of wier with an osmosis membrane at Port Augusta to filter the salt out of the inward flowing 'river' created.<br>That will ensure the salt levels inland remain no more salty than the Sea.</p><p>Voila!<br>Billions of litres removed from the Ocean.<br>An entirely new chemical-free salt water fishing industry.<br>More evaporation in Australia's centre, which would hopefully lead to more rain over the south-eastern food bowl.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Australia there are 2 VAST lakes that are below sea level.It would require : 70km of canal digging to Lake Torrens from Port Augusta.50km of canal digging to Lake Eyre From Lake Torrens.A couple of Km of wier with an osmosis membrane at Port Augusta to filter the salt out of the inward flowing 'river ' created.That will ensure the salt levels inland remain no more salty than the Sea.Voila ! Billions of litres removed from the Ocean.An entirely new chemical-free salt water fishing industry.More evaporation in Australia 's centre , which would hopefully lead to more rain over the south-eastern food bowl .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Australia there are 2 VAST lakes that are below sea level.It would require:70km of canal digging to Lake Torrens from Port Augusta.50km of canal digging to Lake Eyre From Lake Torrens.A couple of Km of wier with an osmosis membrane at Port Augusta to filter the salt out of the inward flowing 'river' created.That will ensure the salt levels inland remain no more salty than the Sea.Voila!Billions of litres removed from the Ocean.An entirely new chemical-free salt water fishing industry.More evaporation in Australia's centre, which would hopefully lead to more rain over the south-eastern food bowl.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793000</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263635520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I thought that Global Warming may be due to CO2 in from humans, the release of Climategate emails and the following research by many shows that the whole issue is a fraud. Three items:<br>a) the hockey stick would receive an F in Chemistry lab. Mann uses ice cores to prove his thesis up until 1999 when they show a decline in temperature. Does he analyze the global warming theory? No he stops the ice cores and uses data that fits his theory!<br>http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/12/20/climategate-what-s-the-quot-trick-quot-and-what-did-it-quot-hide-quot.aspx<br>b) recently the founder of the Weather Channel (a meterologist and not a journalism major) ran an hour long program on what is going on with the global warming scam. If what he presents in part 4 of the video, there is nothing but ABSOLUTE FRAUD taking place. They are contending that on 3 or 4 weather stations are used by the NASA/NOAA to populate their climate models that predict the future disasters due to global warming!!! Having used the historical data to predict electric and gas usage from the original data, this is ridiculous! The Central Valley, the Sierras, desert areas, coastal areas have hugely different climates.<br>http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/81559212.html<br>c) The longest temperature record of 400 years only shows a slight increase over that time:<br>http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I thought that Global Warming may be due to CO2 in from humans , the release of Climategate emails and the following research by many shows that the whole issue is a fraud .
Three items : a ) the hockey stick would receive an F in Chemistry lab .
Mann uses ice cores to prove his thesis up until 1999 when they show a decline in temperature .
Does he analyze the global warming theory ?
No he stops the ice cores and uses data that fits his theory ! http : //network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/12/20/climategate-what-s-the-quot-trick-quot-and-what-did-it-quot-hide-quot.aspxb ) recently the founder of the Weather Channel ( a meterologist and not a journalism major ) ran an hour long program on what is going on with the global warming scam .
If what he presents in part 4 of the video , there is nothing but ABSOLUTE FRAUD taking place .
They are contending that on 3 or 4 weather stations are used by the NASA/NOAA to populate their climate models that predict the future disasters due to global warming ! ! !
Having used the historical data to predict electric and gas usage from the original data , this is ridiculous !
The Central Valley , the Sierras , desert areas , coastal areas have hugely different climates.http : //www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/81559212.htmlc ) The longest temperature record of 400 years only shows a slight increase over that time : http : //c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I thought that Global Warming may be due to CO2 in from humans, the release of Climategate emails and the following research by many shows that the whole issue is a fraud.
Three items:a) the hockey stick would receive an F in Chemistry lab.
Mann uses ice cores to prove his thesis up until 1999 when they show a decline in temperature.
Does he analyze the global warming theory?
No he stops the ice cores and uses data that fits his theory!http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2009/12/20/climategate-what-s-the-quot-trick-quot-and-what-did-it-quot-hide-quot.aspxb) recently the founder of the Weather Channel (a meterologist and not a journalism major) ran an hour long program on what is going on with the global warming scam.
If what he presents in part 4 of the video, there is nothing but ABSOLUTE FRAUD taking place.
They are contending that on 3 or 4 weather stations are used by the NASA/NOAA to populate their climate models that predict the future disasters due to global warming!!!
Having used the historical data to predict electric and gas usage from the original data, this is ridiculous!
The Central Valley, the Sierras, desert areas, coastal areas have hugely different climates.http://www.kusi.com/weather/colemanscorner/81559212.htmlc) The longest temperature record of 400 years only shows a slight increase over that time:http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0120a7c87805970b-pi</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790980</id>
	<title>Nice to get some bargain beachfront property</title>
	<author>slashbart</author>
	<datestamp>1263663540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If people actually start taking this nonsense seriously, it might be that we get some serious drop in beachfront property prices. Great to live within walking distance of the sea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If people actually start taking this nonsense seriously , it might be that we get some serious drop in beachfront property prices .
Great to live within walking distance of the sea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people actually start taking this nonsense seriously, it might be that we get some serious drop in beachfront property prices.
Great to live within walking distance of the sea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792232</id>
	<title>Re:Not pork</title>
	<author>DeadChobi</author>
	<datestamp>1263672540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, because when someone else makes a bad decision like gambling all their money away or living in a city below sea level we should all be forced to pay for it with the fruit of our good decisions. What you are suggesting is tantamount to slavery because you insist that I work hard so that you can make bad decisions and not have to pay for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because when someone else makes a bad decision like gambling all their money away or living in a city below sea level we should all be forced to pay for it with the fruit of our good decisions .
What you are suggesting is tantamount to slavery because you insist that I work hard so that you can make bad decisions and not have to pay for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because when someone else makes a bad decision like gambling all their money away or living in a city below sea level we should all be forced to pay for it with the fruit of our good decisions.
What you are suggesting is tantamount to slavery because you insist that I work hard so that you can make bad decisions and not have to pay for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790824</id>
	<title>Recommendations for visitors to London</title>
	<author>CaptainOfSpray</author>
	<datestamp>1263662400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. Get yourself a current tide table.<br> <br>
2. Do not use the Tube trains around high water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Get yourself a current tide table .
2. Do not use the Tube trains around high water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Get yourself a current tide table.
2. Do not use the Tube trains around high water.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791340</id>
	<title>I can explain.</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1263666000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels</p></div><p>It's simple. The City of London (i.e. the financial district in London) is at risk. They pretty much own the government/country, so of course taxes are going to be raised to implement flood defences.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levelsIt 's simple .
The City of London ( i.e .
the financial district in London ) is at risk .
They pretty much own the government/country , so of course taxes are going to be raised to implement flood defences .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levelsIt's simple.
The City of London (i.e.
the financial district in London) is at risk.
They pretty much own the government/country, so of course taxes are going to be raised to implement flood defences.
 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793208</id>
	<title>Re:water towers</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1263637260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's sort of what we have at the moment with the ice caps on Antarctica, Greenland, Siberia, Northern Canada and so on.  The problem is that global warming is causing them to melt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's sort of what we have at the moment with the ice caps on Antarctica , Greenland , Siberia , Northern Canada and so on .
The problem is that global warming is causing them to melt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's sort of what we have at the moment with the ice caps on Antarctica, Greenland, Siberia, Northern Canada and so on.
The problem is that global warming is causing them to melt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793080</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah, right</title>
	<author>Akira Kogami</author>
	<datestamp>1263636180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that like a lesbian cockblock?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that like a lesbian cockblock ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that like a lesbian cockblock?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30820568</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263922800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, they had the political will.</p><p>The political will to kill thousands of their own constituents,</p><p>AND BLAME IT ON BUSH!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , they had the political will.The political will to kill thousands of their own constituents,AND BLAME IT ON BUSH !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, they had the political will.The political will to kill thousands of their own constituents,AND BLAME IT ON BUSH!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30797502</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>blippy</author>
	<datestamp>1263734760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels, it may be cheaper and safer constructing in the long run on higher terrain (england has many country parts),</p></div><p>Here's an idea - stop building on flood plains! Some time ago I heard how one English council approved planning persmission on a flood plain. The councilor explained that "we had to balance risks", or somesuch nonsense, in defence of the decision. The logic totally baffles me. If you look on an Ordnance Survey and it says "flood plain" then guess what - the area is liable to flooding. Really, is it that difficult to work out?</p><p>I'm not saying that all flooding problems have such simple-minded solutions - just that, you know, why do something that you know is going to be a problem?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels , it may be cheaper and safer constructing in the long run on higher terrain ( england has many country parts ) ,Here 's an idea - stop building on flood plains !
Some time ago I heard how one English council approved planning persmission on a flood plain .
The councilor explained that " we had to balance risks " , or somesuch nonsense , in defence of the decision .
The logic totally baffles me .
If you look on an Ordnance Survey and it says " flood plain " then guess what - the area is liable to flooding .
Really , is it that difficult to work out ? I 'm not saying that all flooding problems have such simple-minded solutions - just that , you know , why do something that you know is going to be a problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels, it may be cheaper and safer constructing in the long run on higher terrain (england has many country parts),Here's an idea - stop building on flood plains!
Some time ago I heard how one English council approved planning persmission on a flood plain.
The councilor explained that "we had to balance risks", or somesuch nonsense, in defence of the decision.
The logic totally baffles me.
If you look on an Ordnance Survey and it says "flood plain" then guess what - the area is liable to flooding.
Really, is it that difficult to work out?I'm not saying that all flooding problems have such simple-minded solutions - just that, you know, why do something that you know is going to be a problem?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790908</id>
	<title>Selling the lie</title>
	<author>Eukariote</author>
	<datestamp>1263663060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah yes, another attempt to sell the <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html" title="telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">big lie</a> [telegraph.co.uk] that CO2-induced global warming is causing sea levels to rise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah yes , another attempt to sell the big lie [ telegraph.co.uk ] that CO2-induced global warming is causing sea levels to rise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah yes, another attempt to sell the big lie [telegraph.co.uk] that CO2-induced global warming is causing sea levels to rise.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30791050</id>
	<title>Re:Not pork</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1263663960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Orleans happened in a large part because of human intervention.  Levees and canals magnified the impact of Katrina enormously.</p><p>And there is the basic lesson, don't build your city below sea level next to the ocean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Orleans happened in a large part because of human intervention .
Levees and canals magnified the impact of Katrina enormously.And there is the basic lesson , do n't build your city below sea level next to the ocean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Orleans happened in a large part because of human intervention.
Levees and canals magnified the impact of Katrina enormously.And there is the basic lesson, don't build your city below sea level next to the ocean.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792286</id>
	<title>Re:Selling the lie</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1263672960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>there are climate scientists trying to disprove global warming, but they fail,... what does THAT tell you?</p></div><p>Come on. There are climate scientists trying to prove global warming, but they fail too.  There just isn't enough evidence to show that CO2 is having a significant effect on global temperature.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>there are climate scientists trying to disprove global warming , but they fail,... what does THAT tell you ? Come on .
There are climate scientists trying to prove global warming , but they fail too .
There just is n't enough evidence to show that CO2 is having a significant effect on global temperature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are climate scientists trying to disprove global warming, but they fail,... what does THAT tell you?Come on.
There are climate scientists trying to prove global warming, but they fail too.
There just isn't enough evidence to show that CO2 is having a significant effect on global temperature.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30790810</id>
	<title>Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263662340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels, it may be cheaper and safer constructing in the long run on higher terrain (england has many country parts), New Orleans tried to do the same and look at the social and economic impact it had</p><p>Xirvin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels , it may be cheaper and safer constructing in the long run on higher terrain ( england has many country parts ) , New Orleans tried to do the same and look at the social and economic impact it hadXirvin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do anyone has thought that instead of investing resources in fighting rising levels, it may be cheaper and safer constructing in the long run on higher terrain (england has many country parts), New Orleans tried to do the same and look at the social and economic impact it hadXirvin</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30792748</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Novel idea</title>
	<author>LifesABeach</author>
	<datestamp>1263633420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know what this will sound like, but it just may be the solution worth reconsidering, "Start building Desalination Plants" and pipe the fresh water to the deserts we have created.  I'm shaking my head at what I've just suggested.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know what this will sound like , but it just may be the solution worth reconsidering , " Start building Desalination Plants " and pipe the fresh water to the deserts we have created .
I 'm shaking my head at what I 've just suggested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know what this will sound like, but it just may be the solution worth reconsidering, "Start building Desalination Plants" and pipe the fresh water to the deserts we have created.
I'm shaking my head at what I've just suggested.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30794216</id>
	<title>Re:Well, telling them doesn't work</title>
	<author>Mike1024</author>
	<datestamp>1263644220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even though they are clearly marked on the maps, and (presumably) are discovered in property searches, people still buy these places. [...] they whine and moan about "our house has flooded<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you gotta HELP us!" [...] All I would suggest is huge<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... massive<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... crippling<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... increases in home insurance premiums to both alert buyers to the dangers and also to make them pay the going rate for repairs and renovations</p></div><p>I see your point, but:</p><p>Imagine I was a hard-working person, I'd been saving up for a few years, and after learning my wife was pregnant we'd brought a house for &pound;170,000 so we'd have the space we needed. Put down a &pound;30,000 deposit on it - all my life's savings. I've been fully responsible, done every calculation there is to be done, I've brought a house with a price within my means, I've checked what the insurance costs are going to be.</p><p>The next day, the government announces "from now on there will be no flood assistance for anyone" and insurers decide to levy huge, massive, crippling increases in home insurance premiums.</p><p>So now I can't afford my insurance payments - maybe I should move, right? Well I'd like to, but it turns out my &pound;170,000 house is now only worth &pound;100,000 - so even if I sell it, I'd still be &pound;40,000 in debt, and I'd have no money for a deposit on a new house.</p><p>Is that a desirable outcome? Will it be good for the economy? Would it be good for the re-election prospects of the politicians who introduced it?</p><p>I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely - just that I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for anything to happen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even though they are clearly marked on the maps , and ( presumably ) are discovered in property searches , people still buy these places .
[ ... ] they whine and moan about " our house has flooded ... you got ta HELP us !
" [ ... ] All I would suggest is huge .... massive .... crippling ... increases in home insurance premiums to both alert buyers to the dangers and also to make them pay the going rate for repairs and renovationsI see your point , but : Imagine I was a hard-working person , I 'd been saving up for a few years , and after learning my wife was pregnant we 'd brought a house for   170,000 so we 'd have the space we needed .
Put down a   30,000 deposit on it - all my life 's savings .
I 've been fully responsible , done every calculation there is to be done , I 've brought a house with a price within my means , I 've checked what the insurance costs are going to be.The next day , the government announces " from now on there will be no flood assistance for anyone " and insurers decide to levy huge , massive , crippling increases in home insurance premiums.So now I ca n't afford my insurance payments - maybe I should move , right ?
Well I 'd like to , but it turns out my   170,000 house is now only worth   100,000 - so even if I sell it , I 'd still be   40,000 in debt , and I 'd have no money for a deposit on a new house.Is that a desirable outcome ?
Will it be good for the economy ?
Would it be good for the re-election prospects of the politicians who introduced it ? I 'm not saying I disagree with you entirely - just that I would n't hold your breath waiting for anything to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even though they are clearly marked on the maps, and (presumably) are discovered in property searches, people still buy these places.
[...] they whine and moan about "our house has flooded ... you gotta HELP us!
" [...] All I would suggest is huge .... massive .... crippling ... increases in home insurance premiums to both alert buyers to the dangers and also to make them pay the going rate for repairs and renovationsI see your point, but:Imagine I was a hard-working person, I'd been saving up for a few years, and after learning my wife was pregnant we'd brought a house for £170,000 so we'd have the space we needed.
Put down a £30,000 deposit on it - all my life's savings.
I've been fully responsible, done every calculation there is to be done, I've brought a house with a price within my means, I've checked what the insurance costs are going to be.The next day, the government announces "from now on there will be no flood assistance for anyone" and insurers decide to levy huge, massive, crippling increases in home insurance premiums.So now I can't afford my insurance payments - maybe I should move, right?
Well I'd like to, but it turns out my £170,000 house is now only worth £100,000 - so even if I sell it, I'd still be £40,000 in debt, and I'd have no money for a deposit on a new house.Is that a desirable outcome?
Will it be good for the economy?
Would it be good for the re-election prospects of the politicians who introduced it?I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely - just that I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for anything to happen.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_1452232.30793724</id>
	<title>Re:On the other hand</title>
	<author>wall0159</author>
	<datestamp>1263641040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"more", or "some"?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" more " , or " some " ?
: -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"more", or "some"?
:-P</sentencetext>
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