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	<title>Using EMP To Punch Holes In Steel</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1263659100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>angrytuna writes <i>"The Economist is running a story about a group of researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute for Machine Tools and Forming Technology in Chemnitz, Germany, who've found a way to use an  <a href="http://www.economist.com/sciencetechnology/displaystory.cfm?story\_id=15268879&amp;fsrc=rss">EMP device to shape and punch holes through steel</a>.  The process enjoys advantages over both lasers, which take more time to bore the hole (0.2 vs. 1.4 seconds), and by metal presses, which can leave burrs that must be removed by hand."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>angrytuna writes " The Economist is running a story about a group of researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute for Machine Tools and Forming Technology in Chemnitz , Germany , who 've found a way to use an EMP device to shape and punch holes through steel .
The process enjoys advantages over both lasers , which take more time to bore the hole ( 0.2 vs. 1.4 seconds ) , and by metal presses , which can leave burrs that must be removed by hand .
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<sentencetext>angrytuna writes "The Economist is running a story about a group of researchers at the Fraunhofer Institute for Machine Tools and Forming Technology in Chemnitz, Germany, who've found a way to use an  EMP device to shape and punch holes through steel.
The process enjoys advantages over both lasers, which take more time to bore the hole (0.2 vs. 1.4 seconds), and by metal presses, which can leave burrs that must be removed by hand.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787814</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1263577800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect that occupational hazard specialists wouldn't recommend kissing one; but the ability of a strong magnetic pulse to deform a material depends on that material being conductive enough to have an induced current and a (temporary) magnetic field of its own. Metals qualify, humans are pretty iffy.<br> <br>

Humans, being gooey sacks of largely salt-water, are <i>slightly</i> conductive and they do do some electrical signalling internally; so a very strong magnetic field could well have an effect(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial\_magnetic\_stimulation" title="wikipedia.org">TMS</a> [wikipedia.org] exploits this fact to noninvasively alter the function of brain tissue). A very strong magnetic pulse to the brain could have odd effects, a very strong pulse to the heart might be an issue, and a <i>really</i> strong pulse just about anywhere might be enough to cause electrical flailing or burns.<br> <br>

That said, though, the weapon potential would be absurdly poor. Magnetic field strength falls off quite quickly with distance, so you would need some truly heroic equipment to have any effect on somebody more than a few centimetres away. You'd be much better off simply discharging the capacitor bank through the victim rather than the coil. Or just hitting them with a wrench.<br> <br>

All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality; but strong magnetic fields aren't even in the same league.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that occupational hazard specialists would n't recommend kissing one ; but the ability of a strong magnetic pulse to deform a material depends on that material being conductive enough to have an induced current and a ( temporary ) magnetic field of its own .
Metals qualify , humans are pretty iffy .
Humans , being gooey sacks of largely salt-water , are slightly conductive and they do do some electrical signalling internally ; so a very strong magnetic field could well have an effect ( TMS [ wikipedia.org ] exploits this fact to noninvasively alter the function of brain tissue ) .
A very strong magnetic pulse to the brain could have odd effects , a very strong pulse to the heart might be an issue , and a really strong pulse just about anywhere might be enough to cause electrical flailing or burns .
That said , though , the weapon potential would be absurdly poor .
Magnetic field strength falls off quite quickly with distance , so you would need some truly heroic equipment to have any effect on somebody more than a few centimetres away .
You 'd be much better off simply discharging the capacitor bank through the victim rather than the coil .
Or just hitting them with a wrench .
All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality ; but strong magnetic fields are n't even in the same league .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that occupational hazard specialists wouldn't recommend kissing one; but the ability of a strong magnetic pulse to deform a material depends on that material being conductive enough to have an induced current and a (temporary) magnetic field of its own.
Metals qualify, humans are pretty iffy.
Humans, being gooey sacks of largely salt-water, are slightly conductive and they do do some electrical signalling internally; so a very strong magnetic field could well have an effect(TMS [wikipedia.org] exploits this fact to noninvasively alter the function of brain tissue).
A very strong magnetic pulse to the brain could have odd effects, a very strong pulse to the heart might be an issue, and a really strong pulse just about anywhere might be enough to cause electrical flailing or burns.
That said, though, the weapon potential would be absurdly poor.
Magnetic field strength falls off quite quickly with distance, so you would need some truly heroic equipment to have any effect on somebody more than a few centimetres away.
You'd be much better off simply discharging the capacitor bank through the victim rather than the coil.
Or just hitting them with a wrench.
All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality; but strong magnetic fields aren't even in the same league.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789502</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>durrr</author>
	<datestamp>1263648000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Magnetic fields in MRIs are static, you are however hit by RF pulses but of no comparable energy to the magnetic field.<br>
If the magnetic fields in MRIs were rapidly pulsed or rotated your brain would share the probably unplesant experience of what induction coils suffer daily. That is, abnormal currents would be generated along the nerve fibers(which just happens to be conductors).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Magnetic fields in MRIs are static , you are however hit by RF pulses but of no comparable energy to the magnetic field .
If the magnetic fields in MRIs were rapidly pulsed or rotated your brain would share the probably unplesant experience of what induction coils suffer daily .
That is , abnormal currents would be generated along the nerve fibers ( which just happens to be conductors ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Magnetic fields in MRIs are static, you are however hit by RF pulses but of no comparable energy to the magnetic field.
If the magnetic fields in MRIs were rapidly pulsed or rotated your brain would share the probably unplesant experience of what induction coils suffer daily.
That is, abnormal currents would be generated along the nerve fibers(which just happens to be conductors).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30790528</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>hughk</author>
	<datestamp>1263659580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A standard inductive hob unit in a domestic kitchen can pump out a KW or two - but you pass a hand over it without problems - thats if you could defeat the safeties. If you move a pot away, the unit switches off instantly - pretty useful in case you move your hand with a watch or ring over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A standard inductive hob unit in a domestic kitchen can pump out a KW or two - but you pass a hand over it without problems - thats if you could defeat the safeties .
If you move a pot away , the unit switches off instantly - pretty useful in case you move your hand with a watch or ring over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A standard inductive hob unit in a domestic kitchen can pump out a KW or two - but you pass a hand over it without problems - thats if you could defeat the safeties.
If you move a pot away, the unit switches off instantly - pretty useful in case you move your hand with a watch or ring over it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789936</id>
	<title>Car analogies FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263653100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The impact pressure on the steel is about 3,500 atmospheres. That is the weight of three small cars pressing on an area only a centimetre or so square. <i>FTA</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Three small cars punching holes in a big car! This is better than Transformers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The impact pressure on the steel is about 3,500 atmospheres .
That is the weight of three small cars pressing on an area only a centimetre or so square .
FTA Three small cars punching holes in a big car !
This is better than Transformers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The impact pressure on the steel is about 3,500 atmospheres.
That is the weight of three small cars pressing on an area only a centimetre or so square.
FTA Three small cars punching holes in a big car!
This is better than Transformers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30790966</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263663420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality; but strong magnetic fields aren't even in the same league.</p></div></blockquote><p>ObFuturama:</p><p>
<b>Robot General:</b> The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields, yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick. Heh heh heh.</p><p>
<b>Fembot Wendy:</b> I'm just glad the nightmare is over.</p><p>
<b>Robot General:</b> It'll never be over, Wendy. Even now, humans are lurking in our playgrounds, our breezeways, perhaps even... our movie theaters!</p><p>
<b>Fry:</b> God help us!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality ; but strong magnetic fields are n't even in the same league.ObFuturama : Robot General : The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields , yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick .
Heh heh heh .
Fembot Wendy : I 'm just glad the nightmare is over .
Robot General : It 'll never be over , Wendy .
Even now , humans are lurking in our playgrounds , our breezeways , perhaps even... our movie theaters !
Fry : God help us !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the alternatives to good old-fashioned chemical propellants and sharp objects face serious challenges on the road to practicality; but strong magnetic fields aren't even in the same league.ObFuturama:
Robot General: The human was impervious to our most powerful magnetic fields, yet in the end he succumbed to a harmless sharpened stick.
Heh heh heh.
Fembot Wendy: I'm just glad the nightmare is over.
Robot General: It'll never be over, Wendy.
Even now, humans are lurking in our playgrounds, our breezeways, perhaps even... our movie theaters!
Fry: God help us!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788708</id>
	<title>Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory?</title>
	<author>Fred\_A</author>
	<datestamp>1263635580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And how to protect the workers' health from the bombardments of the EMPs?</p></div><p>I'd worry less about the worker's exposition to EMPs than about their loss of hearing from the noise of the holes being punched by this gizmo when the mostly silent lasers are replaced by those things that are likely to be pretty noisy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how to protect the workers ' health from the bombardments of the EMPs ? I 'd worry less about the worker 's exposition to EMPs than about their loss of hearing from the noise of the holes being punched by this gizmo when the mostly silent lasers are replaced by those things that are likely to be pretty noisy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how to protect the workers' health from the bombardments of the EMPs?I'd worry less about the worker's exposition to EMPs than about their loss of hearing from the noise of the holes being punched by this gizmo when the mostly silent lasers are replaced by those things that are likely to be pretty noisy.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30791660</id>
	<title>Licensing</title>
	<author>Tibor the Hun</author>
	<datestamp>1263668160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has fraunhofer institute elaborate how they intend on recouping their cost for this EMP technology?<br>By each machine or by each hole punched?<br>Their record with MP technology is somewat shaky, to pardon the pun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has fraunhofer institute elaborate how they intend on recouping their cost for this EMP technology ? By each machine or by each hole punched ? Their record with MP technology is somewat shaky , to pardon the pun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has fraunhofer institute elaborate how they intend on recouping their cost for this EMP technology?By each machine or by each hole punched?Their record with MP technology is somewat shaky, to pardon the pun.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789926</id>
	<title>Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory?</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1263652980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be more concerned about the steel support structure of the building.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be more concerned about the steel support structure of the building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be more concerned about the steel support structure of the building.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787836</id>
	<title>Metal presses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not all burrs left by a punch press need to be removed by hand. Small pieces may be burnished, rotoblasted, or vibratory finished. Still takes time, I guess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all burrs left by a punch press need to be removed by hand .
Small pieces may be burnished , rotoblasted , or vibratory finished .
Still takes time , I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all burrs left by a punch press need to be removed by hand.
Small pieces may be burnished, rotoblasted, or vibratory finished.
Still takes time, I guess.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788326</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1263584280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>To add something new to what the other repliers have said, human body is mostly transparent to EMP. It's not mostly transparent to bullets, knives, and a variety of other lethal tools. The EMP punch wouldn't add anything new to the huge list of ways to deliberately kill people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To add something new to what the other repliers have said , human body is mostly transparent to EMP .
It 's not mostly transparent to bullets , knives , and a variety of other lethal tools .
The EMP punch would n't add anything new to the huge list of ways to deliberately kill people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To add something new to what the other repliers have said, human body is mostly transparent to EMP.
It's not mostly transparent to bullets, knives, and a variety of other lethal tools.
The EMP punch wouldn't add anything new to the huge list of ways to deliberately kill people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788302</id>
	<title>Re:Possible propulsion?</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1263584040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt it would be very effective.  Here's what's happening.  A large power source builds up a charge in a bank of supercapacitors.  This charge is fed into a coil, generating a magnetic field.  The coil induces an equal but opposite field in the steel.  The two fields repel each other, and since the coil is fixed in place, the steel under the core of the coil gets flung out of the way.<br> <br>
Now, if you had the large power source, the supercapacitors, the massive coils, and the supply of steel out in space, the whole shebang would indeed be moved by the steel slugs moving away.  However, due to the mass of the "engine" and the weak "thrust", the whole thing would be impractical.  In short, the device is a coil gun.  You'd get more thrust out of a magnetoplasmadynamic device (same basic parts, but vapourize the steel instead of punching out holes.  Higher velocity==more thrust).<br> <br>
The main problem, as with all electric rockets, is the power source.  You need megawatts of power to get a few hundred measly newtons of thrust.  That kind of power source does not come light.  You need a nuclear reactor, or hundreds of square metres of solar panels.  Massive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt it would be very effective .
Here 's what 's happening .
A large power source builds up a charge in a bank of supercapacitors .
This charge is fed into a coil , generating a magnetic field .
The coil induces an equal but opposite field in the steel .
The two fields repel each other , and since the coil is fixed in place , the steel under the core of the coil gets flung out of the way .
Now , if you had the large power source , the supercapacitors , the massive coils , and the supply of steel out in space , the whole shebang would indeed be moved by the steel slugs moving away .
However , due to the mass of the " engine " and the weak " thrust " , the whole thing would be impractical .
In short , the device is a coil gun .
You 'd get more thrust out of a magnetoplasmadynamic device ( same basic parts , but vapourize the steel instead of punching out holes .
Higher velocity = = more thrust ) .
The main problem , as with all electric rockets , is the power source .
You need megawatts of power to get a few hundred measly newtons of thrust .
That kind of power source does not come light .
You need a nuclear reactor , or hundreds of square metres of solar panels .
Massive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt it would be very effective.
Here's what's happening.
A large power source builds up a charge in a bank of supercapacitors.
This charge is fed into a coil, generating a magnetic field.
The coil induces an equal but opposite field in the steel.
The two fields repel each other, and since the coil is fixed in place, the steel under the core of the coil gets flung out of the way.
Now, if you had the large power source, the supercapacitors, the massive coils, and the supply of steel out in space, the whole shebang would indeed be moved by the steel slugs moving away.
However, due to the mass of the "engine" and the weak "thrust", the whole thing would be impractical.
In short, the device is a coil gun.
You'd get more thrust out of a magnetoplasmadynamic device (same basic parts, but vapourize the steel instead of punching out holes.
Higher velocity==more thrust).
The main problem, as with all electric rockets, is the power source.
You need megawatts of power to get a few hundred measly newtons of thrust.
That kind of power source does not come light.
You need a nuclear reactor, or hundreds of square metres of solar panels.
Massive.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787948</id>
	<title>fir5t...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263579060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">can really ask of numbers. The loss We'll be able to effort to address Smith only serve EFNet servers.9 number of FrreBSD Conflicts that posts on Usenet are</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>can really ask of numbers .
The loss We 'll be able to effort to address Smith only serve EFNet servers.9 number of FrreBSD Conflicts that posts on Usenet are [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can really ask of numbers.
The loss We'll be able to effort to address Smith only serve EFNet servers.9 number of FrreBSD Conflicts that posts on Usenet are [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789088</id>
	<title>Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory?</title>
	<author>gafisher</author>
	<datestamp>1263642000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I admire your EMPathy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I admire your EMPathy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admire your EMPathy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787738</id>
	<title>Weapon?</title>
	<author>X-Power</author>
	<datestamp>1263576960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it can burst through steal, couldnt it burst through human flesh aswell?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it can burst through steal , couldnt it burst through human flesh aswell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it can burst through steal, couldnt it burst through human flesh aswell?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788140</id>
	<title>And only requires one small fusion reactor!</title>
	<author>distantbody</author>
	<datestamp>1263581280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>to power the damn thing. Go Iter!</htmltext>
<tokenext>to power the damn thing .
Go Iter !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to power the damn thing.
Go Iter!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787878</id>
	<title>Water jet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263578400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone I know in the metal manufacturing field is currently using water jet technology to cut holes. Easier, cheaper, and neater than lasers; and cuts any arbitrary shape, unlike a die punch. And - very importantly - safe for the operator.
<br> <br>
So how come no comparison in TFA with water jet? EMP doesn't sound like it can do intricate shapes, and they're only going through very thin steel. Why replace a proven inexpensive technology with a new inferior one?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone I know in the metal manufacturing field is currently using water jet technology to cut holes .
Easier , cheaper , and neater than lasers ; and cuts any arbitrary shape , unlike a die punch .
And - very importantly - safe for the operator .
So how come no comparison in TFA with water jet ?
EMP does n't sound like it can do intricate shapes , and they 're only going through very thin steel .
Why replace a proven inexpensive technology with a new inferior one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone I know in the metal manufacturing field is currently using water jet technology to cut holes.
Easier, cheaper, and neater than lasers; and cuts any arbitrary shape, unlike a die punch.
And - very importantly - safe for the operator.
So how come no comparison in TFA with water jet?
EMP doesn't sound like it can do intricate shapes, and they're only going through very thin steel.
Why replace a proven inexpensive technology with a new inferior one?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787904</id>
	<title>Re:Article Has No Meat.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263578700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>600 stroke a minute<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... by hand?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... That's what she said</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>600 stroke a minute ... by hand ?
.... That 's what she said</tokentext>
<sentencetext>600 stroke a minute ... by hand?
.... That's what she said</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788034</id>
	<title>Sharks...</title>
	<author>De-Jean7777</author>
	<datestamp>1263579960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...with frickin' EMP attached to their heads!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...with frickin ' EMP attached to their heads !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...with frickin' EMP attached to their heads!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787830</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're not too bright, are you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not too bright , are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not too bright, are you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788346</id>
	<title>Re:Article Has No Meat.</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1263584400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>&gt;by hand</p><p>Someone's never heard of tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.</p></div><p>That's great if your part doesn't have a very high tolerance.  If you're machining pieces for the aerospace industry, those methods will totally ruin the part.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; by handSomeone 's never heard of tumbling , flame deburring , electrochemical mass finishing , etc.That 's great if your part does n't have a very high tolerance .
If you 're machining pieces for the aerospace industry , those methods will totally ruin the part .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;by handSomeone's never heard of tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.That's great if your part doesn't have a very high tolerance.
If you're machining pieces for the aerospace industry, those methods will totally ruin the part.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787722</id>
	<title>Longevity?</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1263576720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The site the wear on machine dies as a factor, but what's the expected number of discharges that these super-capacitors can be expected to survive, the coils?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The site the wear on machine dies as a factor , but what 's the expected number of discharges that these super-capacitors can be expected to survive , the coils ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site the wear on machine dies as a factor, but what's the expected number of discharges that these super-capacitors can be expected to survive, the coils?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789820</id>
	<title>Re:Article Has No Meat.</title>
	<author>grimJester</author>
	<datestamp>1263651660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>&gt;.2 seconds per hole

Too slow. Much, much too slow. Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press.</p></div></blockquote><p>600 a minute is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.1 seconds per hole, not so far from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.2. Did you misread it as 2? Presumably a process without physical moving parts can be speeded up more easily as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; .2 seconds per hole Too slow .
Much , much too slow .
Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press.600 a minute is .1 seconds per hole , not so far from .2 .
Did you misread it as 2 ?
Presumably a process without physical moving parts can be speeded up more easily as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;.2 seconds per hole

Too slow.
Much, much too slow.
Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press.600 a minute is .1 seconds per hole, not so far from .2.
Did you misread it as 2?
Presumably a process without physical moving parts can be speeded up more easily as well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787852</id>
	<title>Wont be long now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263578100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Minituarize this and you got yourself a very strong gun with no bullets that can go through metal walls.  Target won't know what hit him/her.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Minituarize this and you got yourself a very strong gun with no bullets that can go through metal walls .
Target wo n't know what hit him/her .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Minituarize this and you got yourself a very strong gun with no bullets that can go through metal walls.
Target won't know what hit him/her.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788878</id>
	<title>media!?</title>
	<author>alienzed</author>
	<datestamp>1263639000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>pics or gtfo</htmltext>
<tokenext>pics or gtfo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pics or gtfo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787806</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>dierdorf</author>
	<datestamp>1263577680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Humans are not usually very magnetic.  You've already been hit with a pulse from an extremely powerful superconducting magnet if you've ever had an MRI.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Humans are not usually very magnetic .
You 've already been hit with a pulse from an extremely powerful superconducting magnet if you 've ever had an MRI .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Humans are not usually very magnetic.
You've already been hit with a pulse from an extremely powerful superconducting magnet if you've ever had an MRI.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788944</id>
	<title>Bye bye ID cards and RFID passports</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1263639960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Your passport doesn't work, sir"<br>"Oh sorry, I work in a metal factory.  I guess the passport ought to have had shielding"</p><p>Oh yes - probably deniability..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Your passport does n't work , sir " " Oh sorry , I work in a metal factory .
I guess the passport ought to have had shielding " Oh yes - probably deniability. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Your passport doesn't work, sir""Oh sorry, I work in a metal factory.
I guess the passport ought to have had shielding"Oh yes - probably deniability..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789060</id>
	<title>No video in the article</title>
	<author>Alain Williams</author>
	<datestamp>1263641760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite apart from potentially being fun to look at, it would have really helped to see a short clip of this in action. It could have informed things like: how thick the metal, how wide the hole,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite apart from potentially being fun to look at , it would have really helped to see a short clip of this in action .
It could have informed things like : how thick the metal , how wide the hole , .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite apart from potentially being fun to look at, it would have really helped to see a short clip of this in action.
It could have informed things like: how thick the metal, how wide the hole, ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788474</id>
	<title>Re:Hard to see it being practical</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1263672780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't mention how this compares to high pressure water jets, which I would assume is both faster and cheaper than laser, and doesn't leave any burrs. I'm not an expert in sheet metal forming, so someone feel free to correct me, but while I'm sure EMP will have very specific uses in the future, hydro-cutting will remain a better option in 99\% of situations for the forseeable future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't mention how this compares to high pressure water jets , which I would assume is both faster and cheaper than laser , and does n't leave any burrs .
I 'm not an expert in sheet metal forming , so someone feel free to correct me , but while I 'm sure EMP will have very specific uses in the future , hydro-cutting will remain a better option in 99 \ % of situations for the forseeable future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't mention how this compares to high pressure water jets, which I would assume is both faster and cheaper than laser, and doesn't leave any burrs.
I'm not an expert in sheet metal forming, so someone feel free to correct me, but while I'm sure EMP will have very specific uses in the future, hydro-cutting will remain a better option in 99\% of situations for the forseeable future.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788218</id>
	<title>Re:Water jet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263582540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run a water-jet at a university, but I prefer a laser cutter or plasma cutter for CNC work.  The water-jet is a pain to keep running.  High pressure air and water, tubes, orifices to replace, mixing tubes that wear out, water filters, etc.  Maintenance nightmare.  I prefer to just have to clean the optics once in a while on a laser cutter and I can tell you that the laser cutter we have cuts much sharper than our water-jet.</p><p>The advantage of the water-jet?  Will cut 4" of ANYTHING for one thing, and it will cut the brittles like glass and ceramics and stone that the others will not.  Also rubber - I cut a lot of rubber with it.</p><p>Cheers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run a water-jet at a university , but I prefer a laser cutter or plasma cutter for CNC work .
The water-jet is a pain to keep running .
High pressure air and water , tubes , orifices to replace , mixing tubes that wear out , water filters , etc .
Maintenance nightmare .
I prefer to just have to clean the optics once in a while on a laser cutter and I can tell you that the laser cutter we have cuts much sharper than our water-jet.The advantage of the water-jet ?
Will cut 4 " of ANYTHING for one thing , and it will cut the brittles like glass and ceramics and stone that the others will not .
Also rubber - I cut a lot of rubber with it.Cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run a water-jet at a university, but I prefer a laser cutter or plasma cutter for CNC work.
The water-jet is a pain to keep running.
High pressure air and water, tubes, orifices to replace, mixing tubes that wear out, water filters, etc.
Maintenance nightmare.
I prefer to just have to clean the optics once in a while on a laser cutter and I can tell you that the laser cutter we have cuts much sharper than our water-jet.The advantage of the water-jet?
Will cut 4" of ANYTHING for one thing, and it will cut the brittles like glass and ceramics and stone that the others will not.
Also rubber - I cut a lot of rubber with it.Cheers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787818</id>
	<title>Not a new idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not a terribly new idea. I watched video of this technique being used to cut, punch and shape steel over 30 years ago. In fact the video demonstrated punching a hole in steel through a sheet of paper leaving the paper untouched. The only thing that has changed is the technology in the capacitors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a terribly new idea .
I watched video of this technique being used to cut , punch and shape steel over 30 years ago .
In fact the video demonstrated punching a hole in steel through a sheet of paper leaving the paper untouched .
The only thing that has changed is the technology in the capacitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a terribly new idea.
I watched video of this technique being used to cut, punch and shape steel over 30 years ago.
In fact the video demonstrated punching a hole in steel through a sheet of paper leaving the paper untouched.
The only thing that has changed is the technology in the capacitors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788554</id>
	<title>Magnetic forming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263674940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
This, as the article points out, is basically a beefed up version of magnetic forming.  Magnetic forming has been around for decades.  It's useful mostly for compressing cylindrical objects, so it's used on couplings, tube joints, and similar round objects  I've seen it used in making hydraulic spool valves.  It's a way to apply a completely symmetric radial squeezing force, which is hard to do at high precision with stamping dies or presses.
Here are <a href="http://www.magneform.com/apps.html" title="magneform.com">some examples of parts formed by magnetic forming.</a> [magneform.com]
</p><p>
But for punching holes, there's no obvious advantage to magnetic forming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This , as the article points out , is basically a beefed up version of magnetic forming .
Magnetic forming has been around for decades .
It 's useful mostly for compressing cylindrical objects , so it 's used on couplings , tube joints , and similar round objects I 've seen it used in making hydraulic spool valves .
It 's a way to apply a completely symmetric radial squeezing force , which is hard to do at high precision with stamping dies or presses .
Here are some examples of parts formed by magnetic forming .
[ magneform.com ] But for punching holes , there 's no obvious advantage to magnetic forming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
This, as the article points out, is basically a beefed up version of magnetic forming.
Magnetic forming has been around for decades.
It's useful mostly for compressing cylindrical objects, so it's used on couplings, tube joints, and similar round objects  I've seen it used in making hydraulic spool valves.
It's a way to apply a completely symmetric radial squeezing force, which is hard to do at high precision with stamping dies or presses.
Here are some examples of parts formed by magnetic forming.
[magneform.com]

But for punching holes, there's no obvious advantage to magnetic forming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30789762</id>
	<title>How to protect the workers?</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1263650820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect that the metal safety shields are how to protect the workers.  If a hole is punched through a safety shield, it's probably time to turn off the machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that the metal safety shields are how to protect the workers .
If a hole is punched through a safety shield , it 's probably time to turn off the machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that the metal safety shields are how to protect the workers.
If a hole is punched through a safety shield, it's probably time to turn off the machine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788658</id>
	<title>Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory?</title>
	<author>jamesh</author>
	<datestamp>1263634260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wear a tinfoil hat of course. It's not like this EMP can punch holes through metal or anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wear a tinfoil hat of course .
It 's not like this EMP can punch holes through metal or anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wear a tinfoil hat of course.
It's not like this EMP can punch holes through metal or anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30790388</id>
	<title>Re:an alternate past</title>
	<author>ByteSlicer</author>
	<datestamp>1263658380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I remember correctly, in T2 they said the T1 CPU was broken, but just by studying the design they got a technological head start. Melting it in a steel furnace did the trick in T2. But that still didn't stop T3 from being made. Mainly because Hollywood wanted another sequel, I guess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I remember correctly , in T2 they said the T1 CPU was broken , but just by studying the design they got a technological head start .
Melting it in a steel furnace did the trick in T2 .
But that still did n't stop T3 from being made .
Mainly because Hollywood wanted another sequel , I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I remember correctly, in T2 they said the T1 CPU was broken, but just by studying the design they got a technological head start.
Melting it in a steel furnace did the trick in T2.
But that still didn't stop T3 from being made.
Mainly because Hollywood wanted another sequel, I guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30795602</id>
	<title>Re:Article Has No Meat.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263657540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so 60 seconds / 600 punches (or strokes) = 0.1 seconds per hole.</p><p>Does any of this 'tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.', presumably not required with the EMP, less than the difference of 0.1 second per hole?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so 60 seconds / 600 punches ( or strokes ) = 0.1 seconds per hole.Does any of this 'tumbling , flame deburring , electrochemical mass finishing , etc .
' , presumably not required with the EMP , less than the difference of 0.1 second per hole ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so 60 seconds / 600 punches (or strokes) = 0.1 seconds per hole.Does any of this 'tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.
', presumably not required with the EMP, less than the difference of 0.1 second per hole?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788146</id>
	<title>Is the laser comparison fair?</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1263581340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to ask the question, if, the EMP can punch so much faster than the laser, couldn't the guy that makes the laser just make one that is more powerful, and therefor, cuts faster?  It seems to me that this comparison in the article is more of a selling pitch than a legitimate comparison of EMP vs the laser for metal working.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to ask the question , if , the EMP can punch so much faster than the laser , could n't the guy that makes the laser just make one that is more powerful , and therefor , cuts faster ?
It seems to me that this comparison in the article is more of a selling pitch than a legitimate comparison of EMP vs the laser for metal working .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to ask the question, if, the EMP can punch so much faster than the laser, couldn't the guy that makes the laser just make one that is more powerful, and therefor, cuts faster?
It seems to me that this comparison in the article is more of a selling pitch than a legitimate comparison of EMP vs the laser for metal working.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788438</id>
	<title>The Machines</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263672180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad we are learning how to manipulate an EMP, so that when it becomes the only weapon we have against the machines, we can use it without having to turn off our hovercraft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad we are learning how to manipulate an EMP , so that when it becomes the only weapon we have against the machines , we can use it without having to turn off our hovercraft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad we are learning how to manipulate an EMP, so that when it becomes the only weapon we have against the machines, we can use it without having to turn off our hovercraft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787846</id>
	<title>Article Has No Meat.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263578100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi.  I'm a metalworking professional, with a heavy background in tool and die work.</p><p>&gt;metal presses, which can leave burrs which must be removed</p><p>The burr side, if you've got sharp tooling, doesn't have much of a burr.  Also, when you assemble the product, the burr side goes away from the user.  Speaker grille material, for example, is always mounted on the finished speaker burr side in.  If you've got a large burr punching holes in steel, then you have dull tooling and/or wrong punch-to-die clearance.</p><p>&gt;.2 seconds per hole</p><p>Too slow.  Much, much too slow.  Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press.</p><p>&gt;by hand</p><p>Someone's never heard of tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.</p><p>&gt;This article is written as if there's no tooling involved and there's no die or stripper plate to back up the steel as it's distorted by the EMP.  It goes on to say that it can do away with molds.  LOL QUE?</p><p>Total misunderstanding by the journalist.</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi .
I 'm a metalworking professional , with a heavy background in tool and die work. &gt; metal presses , which can leave burrs which must be removedThe burr side , if you 've got sharp tooling , does n't have much of a burr .
Also , when you assemble the product , the burr side goes away from the user .
Speaker grille material , for example , is always mounted on the finished speaker burr side in .
If you 've got a large burr punching holes in steel , then you have dull tooling and/or wrong punch-to-die clearance. &gt; .2 seconds per holeToo slow .
Much , much too slow .
Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press. &gt; by handSomeone 's never heard of tumbling , flame deburring , electrochemical mass finishing , etc. &gt; This article is written as if there 's no tooling involved and there 's no die or stripper plate to back up the steel as it 's distorted by the EMP .
It goes on to say that it can do away with molds .
LOL QUE ? Total misunderstanding by the journalist.--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi.
I'm a metalworking professional, with a heavy background in tool and die work.&gt;metal presses, which can leave burrs which must be removedThe burr side, if you've got sharp tooling, doesn't have much of a burr.
Also, when you assemble the product, the burr side goes away from the user.
Speaker grille material, for example, is always mounted on the finished speaker burr side in.
If you've got a large burr punching holes in steel, then you have dull tooling and/or wrong punch-to-die clearance.&gt;.2 seconds per holeToo slow.
Much, much too slow.
Call me when it can equal 600 strokes a minute on a conventional press.&gt;by handSomeone's never heard of tumbling, flame deburring, electrochemical mass finishing, etc.&gt;This article is written as if there's no tooling involved and there's no die or stripper plate to back up the steel as it's distorted by the EMP.
It goes on to say that it can do away with molds.
LOL QUE?Total misunderstanding by the journalist.--BMO</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30795558</id>
	<title>Also, wrongly named - It's just a solenoid!</title>
	<author>evanh</author>
	<datestamp>1263657000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better name might be Magnetic Punch.  There's nothing amazing about it.  They are just magnetising the steel as part of a solenoid.  Like a motor or rail-gun.</p><p>And yep, it'll still be forcing the steel through a punch tool.  So, burring will still occur.  Just a case of speed and strength, no different to any other punch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better name might be Magnetic Punch .
There 's nothing amazing about it .
They are just magnetising the steel as part of a solenoid .
Like a motor or rail-gun.And yep , it 'll still be forcing the steel through a punch tool .
So , burring will still occur .
Just a case of speed and strength , no different to any other punch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better name might be Magnetic Punch.
There's nothing amazing about it.
They are just magnetising the steel as part of a solenoid.
Like a motor or rail-gun.And yep, it'll still be forcing the steel through a punch tool.
So, burring will still occur.
Just a case of speed and strength, no different to any other punch.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787684</id>
	<title>What if EMP leaks out of the factory?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263576420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how to protect the workers' health from the bombardments of the EMPs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how to protect the workers ' health from the bombardments of the EMPs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how to protect the workers' health from the bombardments of the EMPs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787938</id>
	<title>Possible propulsion?</title>
	<author>DJRumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1263579000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone help me out here as I'm not a physicist, but if this machine produces enough physical force to punch a hole through steel, does it offer any possibility of being used as a propulsive force?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone help me out here as I 'm not a physicist , but if this machine produces enough physical force to punch a hole through steel , does it offer any possibility of being used as a propulsive force ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone help me out here as I'm not a physicist, but if this machine produces enough physical force to punch a hole through steel, does it offer any possibility of being used as a propulsive force?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787796</id>
	<title>Re:What if EMP leaks out of the factory?</title>
	<author>MrNaz</author>
	<datestamp>1263577560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lead codpieces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lead codpieces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lead codpieces.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30795314</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1263654300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The trouble with something like that is the size of this equipment and the requirement for extremely close proximity. Electromagnetic forming machines are large industrial devices. Given that the steel-punching version is an enhancement of the existing models, with greater power, we are probably talking something that you could just about move with a forklift(possibly after breaking it down into a few parts). Further, they are large industrial devices that need to be plugged into mains power in order to work. It would be a very rare battlefield where you could manoeuvre a several-hundred-pound piece of machinery, along with a power cord or generator, right next to a hostile vehicle. <br> <br>

This compares very unfavourably to even the sorts of cheap and semi-obsolete anti-armour weapons that float around the world's lower budget warzones, not to mention the contemporary stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble with something like that is the size of this equipment and the requirement for extremely close proximity .
Electromagnetic forming machines are large industrial devices .
Given that the steel-punching version is an enhancement of the existing models , with greater power , we are probably talking something that you could just about move with a forklift ( possibly after breaking it down into a few parts ) .
Further , they are large industrial devices that need to be plugged into mains power in order to work .
It would be a very rare battlefield where you could manoeuvre a several-hundred-pound piece of machinery , along with a power cord or generator , right next to a hostile vehicle .
This compares very unfavourably to even the sorts of cheap and semi-obsolete anti-armour weapons that float around the world 's lower budget warzones , not to mention the contemporary stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble with something like that is the size of this equipment and the requirement for extremely close proximity.
Electromagnetic forming machines are large industrial devices.
Given that the steel-punching version is an enhancement of the existing models, with greater power, we are probably talking something that you could just about move with a forklift(possibly after breaking it down into a few parts).
Further, they are large industrial devices that need to be plugged into mains power in order to work.
It would be a very rare battlefield where you could manoeuvre a several-hundred-pound piece of machinery, along with a power cord or generator, right next to a hostile vehicle.
This compares very unfavourably to even the sorts of cheap and semi-obsolete anti-armour weapons that float around the world's lower budget warzones, not to mention the contemporary stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788514</id>
	<title>Re:Article Has No Meat.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263673800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;implying there's no such thing as precision deburring.</p><p><a href="http://www.burlyticsystems.com/" title="burlyticsystems.com">http://www.burlyticsystems.com/</a> [burlyticsystems.com]</p><p>&gt;implying that finishing ruins parts</p><p>Get out.</p><p>--<br>BMO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; implying there 's no such thing as precision deburring.http : //www.burlyticsystems.com/ [ burlyticsystems.com ] &gt; implying that finishing ruins partsGet out.--BMO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;implying there's no such thing as precision deburring.http://www.burlyticsystems.com/ [burlyticsystems.com]&gt;implying that finishing ruins partsGet out.--BMO</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787718</id>
	<title>an alternate past</title>
	<author>drDugan</author>
	<datestamp>1263576660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article focuses on how this is a more "peaceful use" for the EMP.  I disagree: when the robot apocalypse finally arrives, and a rogue T800 drives after you in into a steel mill, it will be damn useful to have an EMP device used for shaping steel rings handy to stop the cybernetic killing machine.  As an added benefit, an EMP would destroy the cpu, meaning no Cyberdyne Systems, and I get my 5 hours back wasted on T3 and Terminator Salvation!</p><p>The mechanical press was, like, so 1984.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article focuses on how this is a more " peaceful use " for the EMP .
I disagree : when the robot apocalypse finally arrives , and a rogue T800 drives after you in into a steel mill , it will be damn useful to have an EMP device used for shaping steel rings handy to stop the cybernetic killing machine .
As an added benefit , an EMP would destroy the cpu , meaning no Cyberdyne Systems , and I get my 5 hours back wasted on T3 and Terminator Salvation ! The mechanical press was , like , so 1984 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article focuses on how this is a more "peaceful use" for the EMP.
I disagree: when the robot apocalypse finally arrives, and a rogue T800 drives after you in into a steel mill, it will be damn useful to have an EMP device used for shaping steel rings handy to stop the cybernetic killing machine.
As an added benefit, an EMP would destroy the cpu, meaning no Cyberdyne Systems, and I get my 5 hours back wasted on T3 and Terminator Salvation!The mechanical press was, like, so 1984.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787820</id>
	<title>Hard to see it being practical</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I won't say never, because people who say "That'll <b>never</b> be practical!" are inevitably made to look like idiots at some point. That said, it's hard to imagine this working well for punching applications.</p><p>This process seems to have some inherent disadvantages for punching holes. Compared to an ordinary turret punch, the tooling will be very expensive and will take a tremendous amount more power to operate. It is also not clear if EMP tools will be able to punch arbitrary shapes, or how the press would operate in an industrial setting without damaging its own working area or doing Something Unfortunate with the waste metal, or if it can operate at anything like the speed of a flywheel-driven punch. The may of course be certain applications where it will become valuable or even indispensable, but for general-purpose punching, I don't see it.</p><p>For <em>forming</em> applications it's a very interesting idea, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wo n't say never , because people who say " That 'll never be practical !
" are inevitably made to look like idiots at some point .
That said , it 's hard to imagine this working well for punching applications.This process seems to have some inherent disadvantages for punching holes .
Compared to an ordinary turret punch , the tooling will be very expensive and will take a tremendous amount more power to operate .
It is also not clear if EMP tools will be able to punch arbitrary shapes , or how the press would operate in an industrial setting without damaging its own working area or doing Something Unfortunate with the waste metal , or if it can operate at anything like the speed of a flywheel-driven punch .
The may of course be certain applications where it will become valuable or even indispensable , but for general-purpose punching , I do n't see it.For forming applications it 's a very interesting idea , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I won't say never, because people who say "That'll never be practical!
" are inevitably made to look like idiots at some point.
That said, it's hard to imagine this working well for punching applications.This process seems to have some inherent disadvantages for punching holes.
Compared to an ordinary turret punch, the tooling will be very expensive and will take a tremendous amount more power to operate.
It is also not clear if EMP tools will be able to punch arbitrary shapes, or how the press would operate in an industrial setting without damaging its own working area or doing Something Unfortunate with the waste metal, or if it can operate at anything like the speed of a flywheel-driven punch.
The may of course be certain applications where it will become valuable or even indispensable, but for general-purpose punching, I don't see it.For forming applications it's a very interesting idea, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788206</id>
	<title>Re:Is the laser comparison fair?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263582420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can only cut so fast with laser do to the properties of the metal under cutting force. Is the old cookies in the oven. Directions say 350 for 15 min so 500 for 6 min is the same thing right? Wrong. If the power is turned up that increase in energy needs to go somewhere. The properties of the metal can only diffuse that so quickly. To fast and you ruin the edges of you blank. Machining 101 BTW</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can only cut so fast with laser do to the properties of the metal under cutting force .
Is the old cookies in the oven .
Directions say 350 for 15 min so 500 for 6 min is the same thing right ?
Wrong. If the power is turned up that increase in energy needs to go somewhere .
The properties of the metal can only diffuse that so quickly .
To fast and you ruin the edges of you blank .
Machining 101 BTW</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can only cut so fast with laser do to the properties of the metal under cutting force.
Is the old cookies in the oven.
Directions say 350 for 15 min so 500 for 6 min is the same thing right?
Wrong. If the power is turned up that increase in energy needs to go somewhere.
The properties of the metal can only diffuse that so quickly.
To fast and you ruin the edges of you blank.
Machining 101 BTW</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788214</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1263582480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
How about disabling their vehicle, or punching a hole in their tank to facilitate an ambush or use of other weapons?

</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about disabling their vehicle , or punching a hole in their tank to facilitate an ambush or use of other weapons ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
How about disabling their vehicle, or punching a hole in their tank to facilitate an ambush or use of other weapons?

</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30788196</id>
	<title>Re:Weapon?</title>
	<author>The Wild Norseman</author>
	<datestamp>1263582300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Humans are not usually very magnetic.</p></div><p>
Are you sure?  There are some humans that I have found to be highly repulsive...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Humans are not usually very magnetic .
Are you sure ?
There are some humans that I have found to be highly repulsive.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Humans are not usually very magnetic.
Are you sure?
There are some humans that I have found to be highly repulsive...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_16_0316218.30787696</id>
	<title>PPC</title>
	<author>Theodore</author>
	<datestamp>1263576480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>PPCs, PPCs, blasting all the way...  (ok, enough of jingle bells).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PPCs , PPCs , blasting all the way... ( ok , enough of jingle bells ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PPCs, PPCs, blasting all the way...  (ok, enough of jingle bells).</sentencetext>
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