<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_15_2048228</id>
	<title>Ubuntu 10.04 Alpha 2 vs. Early Fedora 13 Benchmarks</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1263552000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Given that early benchmarks of the Lucid Lynx were less than encouraging, Phoronix decided to take the <a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&amp;item=ubuntu\_lucid\_alpha2&amp;num=1">latest alpha out for a spin</a> and has set it side-by-side with an early look at Fedora 13.  <i>"Overall, there are both positive and negative performance changes for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 2 in relation to Ubuntu 9.10. Most of the negative regressions are attributed to the EXT4 file-system losing some of its performance charm. With using a pre-alpha snapshot of Fedora 13 and the benchmark results just being provided for reference purposes, we will hold off on looking into greater detail at this next Red Hat Linux update until it matures."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that early benchmarks of the Lucid Lynx were less than encouraging , Phoronix decided to take the latest alpha out for a spin and has set it side-by-side with an early look at Fedora 13 .
" Overall , there are both positive and negative performance changes for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 2 in relation to Ubuntu 9.10 .
Most of the negative regressions are attributed to the EXT4 file-system losing some of its performance charm .
With using a pre-alpha snapshot of Fedora 13 and the benchmark results just being provided for reference purposes , we will hold off on looking into greater detail at this next Red Hat Linux update until it matures .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that early benchmarks of the Lucid Lynx were less than encouraging, Phoronix decided to take the latest alpha out for a spin and has set it side-by-side with an early look at Fedora 13.
"Overall, there are both positive and negative performance changes for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Alpha 2 in relation to Ubuntu 9.10.
Most of the negative regressions are attributed to the EXT4 file-system losing some of its performance charm.
With using a pre-alpha snapshot of Fedora 13 and the benchmark results just being provided for reference purposes, we will hold off on looking into greater detail at this next Red Hat Linux update until it matures.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785758</id>
	<title>Re:I LIKE the toboggan ride</title>
	<author>MrHanky</author>
	<datestamp>1263559320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's no 'compiling of the kernel, no conf files to edit' in Debian or any other mainstream distro either. Hell, even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations, and most editing of config files as well, IIRC (depends on usage of course; not that I'd recommend it to any newbie anyway).</p><p>The 'it just works' factor isn't something unique for Ubuntu: almost all the others have it as well (LFS an exception). The only thing Ubuntu gives you is a package that will mostly fit the average desktop user in the default install. Pretty much like Mandriva and others. Kernel compilation is not and has not been necessary for more than ten years for any of the mainstream distros.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no 'compiling of the kernel , no conf files to edit ' in Debian or any other mainstream distro either .
Hell , even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations , and most editing of config files as well , IIRC ( depends on usage of course ; not that I 'd recommend it to any newbie anyway ) .The 'it just works ' factor is n't something unique for Ubuntu : almost all the others have it as well ( LFS an exception ) .
The only thing Ubuntu gives you is a package that will mostly fit the average desktop user in the default install .
Pretty much like Mandriva and others .
Kernel compilation is not and has not been necessary for more than ten years for any of the mainstream distros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no 'compiling of the kernel, no conf files to edit' in Debian or any other mainstream distro either.
Hell, even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations, and most editing of config files as well, IIRC (depends on usage of course; not that I'd recommend it to any newbie anyway).The 'it just works' factor isn't something unique for Ubuntu: almost all the others have it as well (LFS an exception).
The only thing Ubuntu gives you is a package that will mostly fit the average desktop user in the default install.
Pretty much like Mandriva and others.
Kernel compilation is not and has not been necessary for more than ten years for any of the mainstream distros.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785146</id>
	<title>Beta performance testing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>beta vs beta! Is anyone expecting valid results.?</htmltext>
<tokenext>beta vs beta !
Is anyone expecting valid results .
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>beta vs beta!
Is anyone expecting valid results.
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787020</id>
	<title>Re:linux is for cock smoking queers.</title>
	<author>Bender Unit 22</author>
	<datestamp>1263568500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>  and it's software(incl. backup system) and different gadets that works together well without you have to waste time maintaining it or figure out how to get it to work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and it 's software ( incl .
backup system ) and different gadets that works together well without you have to waste time maintaining it or figure out how to get it to work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  and it's software(incl.
backup system) and different gadets that works together well without you have to waste time maintaining it or figure out how to get it to work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785286</id>
	<title>Why test alphas...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Alphas aren't even feature complete... Wait at least for beta...? I mean, the roles could be reversed in the beta, or next alpha.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alphas are n't even feature complete... Wait at least for beta... ?
I mean , the roles could be reversed in the beta , or next alpha .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alphas aren't even feature complete... Wait at least for beta...?
I mean, the roles could be reversed in the beta, or next alpha.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785514</id>
	<title>Re:I wish they'd stop</title>
	<author>clarkn0va</author>
	<datestamp>1263557880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or why when you post to a discussion on Ubuntu bugs in 2007 the post doesn't show up on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. until 2010.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or why when you post to a discussion on Ubuntu bugs in 2007 the post does n't show up on / .
until 2010 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or why when you post to a discussion on Ubuntu bugs in 2007 the post doesn't show up on /.
until 2010.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785664</id>
	<title>Re:Why test alphas...</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1263558720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slow news day apparently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slow news day apparently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slow news day apparently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785154</id>
	<title>What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Catering to niche users at the expense of the majority.<br>Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.<br>Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.<br>Ppppppp-p  p p ulseaudio</p><p>I'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Catering to niche users at the expense of the majority.Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.Ppppppp-p p p ulseaudioI 'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Catering to niche users at the expense of the majority.Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.Ppppppp-p  p p ulseaudioI'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785968</id>
	<title>Re:linux is for cock smoking queers.</title>
	<author>keeboo</author>
	<datestamp>1263560700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>buy a mac homos! or are you too poor to afford a real computer?</p></div><p>To put it bluntly, your beloved Mac is an expensive x86 PC with a fancy case design.<br>
I wouldn't be surprised if the very same chinese Mac factories also produce cheapo generic boards.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>buy a mac homos !
or are you too poor to afford a real computer ? To put it bluntly , your beloved Mac is an expensive x86 PC with a fancy case design .
I would n't be surprised if the very same chinese Mac factories also produce cheapo generic boards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>buy a mac homos!
or are you too poor to afford a real computer?To put it bluntly, your beloved Mac is an expensive x86 PC with a fancy case design.
I wouldn't be surprised if the very same chinese Mac factories also produce cheapo generic boards.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786274</id>
	<title>Re:Come again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263563160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"What the hell is a bad performance improvement?"</p></div></blockquote><p>Making Windows run faster</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" What the hell is a bad performance improvement ?
" Making Windows run faster</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What the hell is a bad performance improvement?
"Making Windows run faster
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785556</id>
	<title>Re:Why Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263558060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The parent is a troll. Probably some fat 45 year old guy that lives in his mom's basement and works at Radio Shack. Dude, glasses are cheap, go get some new frames, the tape is so 1990, and probably has DNA from the first time you whacked off, stuck in the adhesive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The parent is a troll .
Probably some fat 45 year old guy that lives in his mom 's basement and works at Radio Shack .
Dude , glasses are cheap , go get some new frames , the tape is so 1990 , and probably has DNA from the first time you whacked off , stuck in the adhesive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The parent is a troll.
Probably some fat 45 year old guy that lives in his mom's basement and works at Radio Shack.
Dude, glasses are cheap, go get some new frames, the tape is so 1990, and probably has DNA from the first time you whacked off, stuck in the adhesive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30788722</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263635880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's because it's a sack of shit.</p><p>Who would like it apart from shit-eaters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because it 's a sack of shit.Who would like it apart from shit-eaters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because it's a sack of shit.Who would like it apart from shit-eaters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786540</id>
	<title>Re:Why Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1263564720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me air my grievances too: I have recently set up a vps with ubuntu and was just horrified by the package management. There is aptitude, apt-*, and dpkg-*, all of them are verbose and none of them seem to do what I tell to do.</p><p>I wanted to remove apache: "aptitude remove apache" didn't do anything useful and "aptitude remove apache2.2-common" wanted to install something else. Finally I just put ArchLinux in a chroot and was done with it.</p><p>mod me -1 drunk if you must</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me air my grievances too : I have recently set up a vps with ubuntu and was just horrified by the package management .
There is aptitude , apt- * , and dpkg- * , all of them are verbose and none of them seem to do what I tell to do.I wanted to remove apache : " aptitude remove apache " did n't do anything useful and " aptitude remove apache2.2-common " wanted to install something else .
Finally I just put ArchLinux in a chroot and was done with it.mod me -1 drunk if you must</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me air my grievances too: I have recently set up a vps with ubuntu and was just horrified by the package management.
There is aptitude, apt-*, and dpkg-*, all of them are verbose and none of them seem to do what I tell to do.I wanted to remove apache: "aptitude remove apache" didn't do anything useful and "aptitude remove apache2.2-common" wanted to install something else.
Finally I just put ArchLinux in a chroot and was done with it.mod me -1 drunk if you must</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786586</id>
	<title>Re:Why Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1263565080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's gone downhill so fast it's been like a toboggan ride.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
That may be an exaggeration, but I kind of agree. I've been using ubuntu since Edgy, steadily upgrading, and am now using Karmic. Starting with Jaunty, and now continuing with Karmic, I've been having multiple serious problems with sound. Karmic is also causing me several problems where they changed something and made sure it worked with Gnome, but it doesn't work properly with other WMs: <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/504403" title="launchpad.net">1</a> [launchpad.net], <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/501692" title="launchpad.net">2</a> [launchpad.net].
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's gone downhill so fast it 's been like a toboggan ride .
That may be an exaggeration , but I kind of agree .
I 've been using ubuntu since Edgy , steadily upgrading , and am now using Karmic .
Starting with Jaunty , and now continuing with Karmic , I 've been having multiple serious problems with sound .
Karmic is also causing me several problems where they changed something and made sure it worked with Gnome , but it does n't work properly with other WMs : 1 [ launchpad.net ] , 2 [ launchpad.net ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's gone downhill so fast it's been like a toboggan ride.
That may be an exaggeration, but I kind of agree.
I've been using ubuntu since Edgy, steadily upgrading, and am now using Karmic.
Starting with Jaunty, and now continuing with Karmic, I've been having multiple serious problems with sound.
Karmic is also causing me several problems where they changed something and made sure it worked with Gnome, but it doesn't work properly with other WMs: 1 [launchpad.net], 2 [launchpad.net].

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787812</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>Luke has no name</author>
	<datestamp>1263577800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strong, transparent development community<br>Cleaning up the LTS distro by removing several niche programs (the large amount of games, GIMP, among others)<br>Improving the audio stack by using Pulseaudio</p><p>What Ubuntu needs to focus on is making Ubuntu very easy to customize and deploy to enterprises. The current tools to make a 'custom spin' of Ubuntu are hacks and one-man projects at best, and the networked deployment tools are a nightmare.<br>I still use Ubuntu on all my servers and my laptop/desktop because it's a very easy distro to work with, while still having the flexibility of being Linux.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/also Rhythmbox sucks</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strong , transparent development communityCleaning up the LTS distro by removing several niche programs ( the large amount of games , GIMP , among others ) Improving the audio stack by using PulseaudioWhat Ubuntu needs to focus on is making Ubuntu very easy to customize and deploy to enterprises .
The current tools to make a 'custom spin ' of Ubuntu are hacks and one-man projects at best , and the networked deployment tools are a nightmare.I still use Ubuntu on all my servers and my laptop/desktop because it 's a very easy distro to work with , while still having the flexibility of being Linux .
/also Rhythmbox sucks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strong, transparent development communityCleaning up the LTS distro by removing several niche programs (the large amount of games, GIMP, among others)Improving the audio stack by using PulseaudioWhat Ubuntu needs to focus on is making Ubuntu very easy to customize and deploy to enterprises.
The current tools to make a 'custom spin' of Ubuntu are hacks and one-man projects at best, and the networked deployment tools are a nightmare.I still use Ubuntu on all my servers and my laptop/desktop because it's a very easy distro to work with, while still having the flexibility of being Linux.
/also Rhythmbox sucks</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787280</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>couchslug</author>
	<datestamp>1263571680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore."</p><p>It's virtues are ease of installation and convenience of adding useful software that isn't included in "purist" distros, but Ubuntu is the "AOL"<br>of the Linux world.AOL was once very useful to masses of users. They don't need it any more...</p><p>Given the indifference of Ubuntu management to release quality Ubuntu won't be useful much longer. The beauty of Linux is that there are and will remain many alternatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore .
" It 's virtues are ease of installation and convenience of adding useful software that is n't included in " purist " distros , but Ubuntu is the " AOL " of the Linux world.AOL was once very useful to masses of users .
They do n't need it any more...Given the indifference of Ubuntu management to release quality Ubuntu wo n't be useful much longer .
The beauty of Linux is that there are and will remain many alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'm not much enthused by Ubuntu anymore.
"It's virtues are ease of installation and convenience of adding useful software that isn't included in "purist" distros, but Ubuntu is the "AOL"of the Linux world.AOL was once very useful to masses of users.
They don't need it any more...Given the indifference of Ubuntu management to release quality Ubuntu won't be useful much longer.
The beauty of Linux is that there are and will remain many alternatives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786166</id>
	<title>Re:What often really matters are the upstream apps</title>
	<author>ke4qqq</author>
	<datestamp>1263562260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If your distribution closely follows upstream, and has a good policy on dealing with upstream it can help to report bugs.

The keys to this are
1. Patching the distributions instance of a package as little as possible, so it's as much like upstream as possible
2. Having packagers work closely with upstream to ensure that bugs filed against the distribution are filed against the upstream project.
3. If a fix is made in the distribution- to get that patch offered upstream.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If your distribution closely follows upstream , and has a good policy on dealing with upstream it can help to report bugs .
The keys to this are 1 .
Patching the distributions instance of a package as little as possible , so it 's as much like upstream as possible 2 .
Having packagers work closely with upstream to ensure that bugs filed against the distribution are filed against the upstream project .
3. If a fix is made in the distribution- to get that patch offered upstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your distribution closely follows upstream, and has a good policy on dealing with upstream it can help to report bugs.
The keys to this are
1.
Patching the distributions instance of a package as little as possible, so it's as much like upstream as possible
2.
Having packagers work closely with upstream to ensure that bugs filed against the distribution are filed against the upstream project.
3. If a fix is made in the distribution- to get that patch offered upstream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785318</id>
	<title>what is the state of ext4?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember reading that ext4 loses data. Has this been addressed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading that ext4 loses data .
Has this been addressed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember reading that ext4 loses data.
Has this been addressed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785340</id>
	<title>What often really matters are the upstream apps.</title>
	<author>Zombie Ryushu</author>
	<datestamp>1263557040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What often really matters are the upstream apps. Often, other than reporting an upstream bug in an application to the developer, there is not much one can really do about bugs in upstream applications like KDE. I am seeing that now with KDE and X.org. Currently, there is a bug in evdev and dga in X that prevents X from working right with a Wiimote. It can't really be fixed by the distributor. Only X.org can fix it.</p><p>So far I have:</p><p>Broken Sound effects on Stratagus. (Mandriva 2010.0)<br>Broken GLX Support on QuakeForge. (Mandriva 2010.0) But DarkPlaces Quake still works.<br>Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.</p><p>These are just a few examples of applications that don't work becaues of a problem upstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What often really matters are the upstream apps .
Often , other than reporting an upstream bug in an application to the developer , there is not much one can really do about bugs in upstream applications like KDE .
I am seeing that now with KDE and X.org .
Currently , there is a bug in evdev and dga in X that prevents X from working right with a Wiimote .
It ca n't really be fixed by the distributor .
Only X.org can fix it.So far I have : Broken Sound effects on Stratagus .
( Mandriva 2010.0 ) Broken GLX Support on QuakeForge .
( Mandriva 2010.0 ) But DarkPlaces Quake still works.Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.These are just a few examples of applications that do n't work becaues of a problem upstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What often really matters are the upstream apps.
Often, other than reporting an upstream bug in an application to the developer, there is not much one can really do about bugs in upstream applications like KDE.
I am seeing that now with KDE and X.org.
Currently, there is a bug in evdev and dga in X that prevents X from working right with a Wiimote.
It can't really be fixed by the distributor.
Only X.org can fix it.So far I have:Broken Sound effects on Stratagus.
(Mandriva 2010.0)Broken GLX Support on QuakeForge.
(Mandriva 2010.0) But DarkPlaces Quake still works.Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.These are just a few examples of applications that don't work becaues of a problem upstream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786122</id>
	<title>Re:Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>jo\_ham</author>
	<datestamp>1263561960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I put a &pound;50 hard disk into an old Mac (I didn't pull it out of a dumpster but I did get it for free) that now serves as my Time Machine backup disk.</p><p>Apart from paying pounds for my hard disk, since I live in the UK, how is that different?</p><p>It was clear the AC troll initially doesn't represent any sort of starting point for discussion of Apple vs totally open source solutions, and it should also be clear to you that the Time Capsule isn't the only way to use Time Machine and is generally unsuitable for most Mac users as a backup solution in fact, since most of them already have an AP or just don't need one in the first place. An external (or extra internal) HD is all that is really needed. Doesn't even need to be a fancy Mac-branded/Mac-themed one.</p><p>Plus, the GUI for Time Machine looks way cooler than SSHing into your backup volume. How many girls have said "wow, that's so cool!" when you recovered a file that you deleted a few months ago that you suddenly needed? (a DVD rip of a disc I own, so she could watch it on her laptop on her way home, yes yes, sue me, piracy yadda yadda).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I put a   50 hard disk into an old Mac ( I did n't pull it out of a dumpster but I did get it for free ) that now serves as my Time Machine backup disk.Apart from paying pounds for my hard disk , since I live in the UK , how is that different ? It was clear the AC troll initially does n't represent any sort of starting point for discussion of Apple vs totally open source solutions , and it should also be clear to you that the Time Capsule is n't the only way to use Time Machine and is generally unsuitable for most Mac users as a backup solution in fact , since most of them already have an AP or just do n't need one in the first place .
An external ( or extra internal ) HD is all that is really needed .
Does n't even need to be a fancy Mac-branded/Mac-themed one.Plus , the GUI for Time Machine looks way cooler than SSHing into your backup volume .
How many girls have said " wow , that 's so cool !
" when you recovered a file that you deleted a few months ago that you suddenly needed ?
( a DVD rip of a disc I own , so she could watch it on her laptop on her way home , yes yes , sue me , piracy yadda yadda ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put a £50 hard disk into an old Mac (I didn't pull it out of a dumpster but I did get it for free) that now serves as my Time Machine backup disk.Apart from paying pounds for my hard disk, since I live in the UK, how is that different?It was clear the AC troll initially doesn't represent any sort of starting point for discussion of Apple vs totally open source solutions, and it should also be clear to you that the Time Capsule isn't the only way to use Time Machine and is generally unsuitable for most Mac users as a backup solution in fact, since most of them already have an AP or just don't need one in the first place.
An external (or extra internal) HD is all that is really needed.
Doesn't even need to be a fancy Mac-branded/Mac-themed one.Plus, the GUI for Time Machine looks way cooler than SSHing into your backup volume.
How many girls have said "wow, that's so cool!
" when you recovered a file that you deleted a few months ago that you suddenly needed?
(a DVD rip of a disc I own, so she could watch it on her laptop on her way home, yes yes, sue me, piracy yadda yadda).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785248</id>
	<title>I wish they'd stop</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish they'd stop focusing on increasing performance by a few milliseconds here and there and work out why my upgrades never work, or flash objects turn grey and i have to restart firefox or why my audio is choppy, and why the nvidia drivers make Xorg fail randomly or why I have to press the power button on my PC to take it off after everthing is unloaded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish they 'd stop focusing on increasing performance by a few milliseconds here and there and work out why my upgrades never work , or flash objects turn grey and i have to restart firefox or why my audio is choppy , and why the nvidia drivers make Xorg fail randomly or why I have to press the power button on my PC to take it off after everthing is unloaded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish they'd stop focusing on increasing performance by a few milliseconds here and there and work out why my upgrades never work, or flash objects turn grey and i have to restart firefox or why my audio is choppy, and why the nvidia drivers make Xorg fail randomly or why I have to press the power button on my PC to take it off after everthing is unloaded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30788234</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263582780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.</p></div><p>What's that?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.</p></div><p>How's that?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Ppppppp-p p p ulseaudio</p></div><p>No explanation required.</p><p>Yes, I'm sincerely asking: don't know but would like to, and you have info I don't. : ) I'm a long way from being programming anything, or helpful to these things, but try to keep track for when that point comes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.What 's that ? Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.How 's that ? Ppppppp-p p p ulseaudioNo explanation required.Yes , I 'm sincerely asking : do n't know but would like to , and you have info I do n't .
: ) I 'm a long way from being programming anything , or helpful to these things , but try to keep track for when that point comes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Removing functionality from X. Deleting the ability to restore a feature.What's that?Making it damn near impossible to troubleshoot X crashes.How's that?Ppppppp-p p p ulseaudioNo explanation required.Yes, I'm sincerely asking: don't know but would like to, and you have info I don't.
: ) I'm a long way from being programming anything, or helpful to these things, but try to keep track for when that point comes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30791008</id>
	<title>Re:Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>mR.bRiGhTsId3</author>
	<datestamp>1263663660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To chime in, I particularly like how the easy backup solution involves setting up a file server. My easy backup solution involves getting a TB disk from NewEgg and clicking twice on the Time Machine prompt when I first plug it in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To chime in , I particularly like how the easy backup solution involves setting up a file server .
My easy backup solution involves getting a TB disk from NewEgg and clicking twice on the Time Machine prompt when I first plug it in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To chime in, I particularly like how the easy backup solution involves setting up a file server.
My easy backup solution involves getting a TB disk from NewEgg and clicking twice on the Time Machine prompt when I first plug it in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785730</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263559020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I installed 9.10 the audio worked fine. After using Update Manager to apply the security patches, audio is gone.</p><p>I futzed around with it for a long time, tried everything I could find about fixing it, but to no avail. I downgraded back to 9.04.</p><p>Ubuntu 9.10 was the first Ubuntu that I had to kick off my hard drive; it's the Windows ME of the Linux world.</p><p>I really like Ubuntu, and hope that 10.04 will fix all the problems. My fear is that it will be the Vista of the Linux world.</p><p>Time will tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I installed 9.10 the audio worked fine .
After using Update Manager to apply the security patches , audio is gone.I futzed around with it for a long time , tried everything I could find about fixing it , but to no avail .
I downgraded back to 9.04.Ubuntu 9.10 was the first Ubuntu that I had to kick off my hard drive ; it 's the Windows ME of the Linux world.I really like Ubuntu , and hope that 10.04 will fix all the problems .
My fear is that it will be the Vista of the Linux world.Time will tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I installed 9.10 the audio worked fine.
After using Update Manager to apply the security patches, audio is gone.I futzed around with it for a long time, tried everything I could find about fixing it, but to no avail.
I downgraded back to 9.04.Ubuntu 9.10 was the first Ubuntu that I had to kick off my hard drive; it's the Windows ME of the Linux world.I really like Ubuntu, and hope that 10.04 will fix all the problems.
My fear is that it will be the Vista of the Linux world.Time will tell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786098</id>
	<title>Re:Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>Erikderzweite</author>
	<datestamp>1263561720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congrats on your cruise...<br>What backup software did you use? I use backintime for my father who works from his home as a translator and really hates re-doing his work. Albeit, I don't use NAS, just a 500Gb external USB disk drive and a cheap UPS -- power outages were somewhat common in the area. It will still take him about 10 years to fill the disk with hourly incremental backups.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congrats on your cruise...What backup software did you use ?
I use backintime for my father who works from his home as a translator and really hates re-doing his work .
Albeit , I do n't use NAS , just a 500Gb external USB disk drive and a cheap UPS -- power outages were somewhat common in the area .
It will still take him about 10 years to fill the disk with hourly incremental backups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congrats on your cruise...What backup software did you use?
I use backintime for my father who works from his home as a translator and really hates re-doing his work.
Albeit, I don't use NAS, just a 500Gb external USB disk drive and a cheap UPS -- power outages were somewhat common in the area.
It will still take him about 10 years to fill the disk with hourly incremental backups.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786388</id>
	<title>What's with the whining?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263563880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's like "Boohoo Ubuntu tries to make a distro for the average user, thereby stripping me of my nerd-cred as Joe Smoe will no longer cower in my presence as I whip up a serving of my CLI-fu...".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like " Boohoo Ubuntu tries to make a distro for the average user , thereby stripping me of my nerd-cred as Joe Smoe will no longer cower in my presence as I whip up a serving of my CLI-fu... " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like "Boohoo Ubuntu tries to make a distro for the average user, thereby stripping me of my nerd-cred as Joe Smoe will no longer cower in my presence as I whip up a serving of my CLI-fu...".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785604</id>
	<title>Re:Why Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>nostriluu</author>
	<datestamp>1263558360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
You forgot unnecessary default bloatware (mono) and a propensity to cover up useful text screens with useless graphical screens.

But still, I'd take Ubuntu over Fedora anyday, at least there's some kind of real attitude about support compared to Fedora's ambivalence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot unnecessary default bloatware ( mono ) and a propensity to cover up useful text screens with useless graphical screens .
But still , I 'd take Ubuntu over Fedora anyday , at least there 's some kind of real attitude about support compared to Fedora 's ambivalence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
You forgot unnecessary default bloatware (mono) and a propensity to cover up useful text screens with useless graphical screens.
But still, I'd take Ubuntu over Fedora anyday, at least there's some kind of real attitude about support compared to Fedora's ambivalence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786840</id>
	<title>Re:I LIKE the toboggan ride</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263566940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hell, even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations, and most editing of config files as well</p></div><p>I'd even say that, in the long run, Arch requires less configuration than Ubuntu.  It takes a bit more work to set up the first time around, but once you have it working right you rarely have to change anything.  Meanwhile, in my experience, Ubuntu dist-upgrades always seem to break something.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations , and most editing of config files as wellI 'd even say that , in the long run , Arch requires less configuration than Ubuntu .
It takes a bit more work to set up the first time around , but once you have it working right you rarely have to change anything .
Meanwhile , in my experience , Ubuntu dist-upgrades always seem to break something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, even Arch Linux does well without custom kernel compilations, and most editing of config files as wellI'd even say that, in the long run, Arch requires less configuration than Ubuntu.
It takes a bit more work to set up the first time around, but once you have it working right you rarely have to change anything.
Meanwhile, in my experience, Ubuntu dist-upgrades always seem to break something.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786238</id>
	<title>Re:Come again?</title>
	<author>DarkSkiez</author>
	<datestamp>1263562980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What the hell is a bad performance improvement?</p></div><p>Must be similar to a positive regression.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell is a bad performance improvement ? Must be similar to a positive regression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell is a bad performance improvement?Must be similar to a positive regression.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787128</id>
	<title>Waste of time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well that was a waste of time, wasn't it? Durrrr.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well that was a waste of time , was n't it ?
Durrrr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well that was a waste of time, wasn't it?
Durrrr.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786514</id>
	<title>Totally useless</title>
	<author>linuxgurugamer</author>
	<datestamp>1263564600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, let me say that I use Ubuntu 9.10 on my system at work.  I am also running CentOS on servers, various Ubuntu on servers and a couple of Fedora systems.  As you can see, I have experience with all of them.</p><p>So why is this review useless?  Because they are testing development systems, which are not optimized, have loads of debugging flags set, and essentially are not ready for prime time.  Of course it may be running slower!</p><p>IMHO, you should ignore benchmarks until the release candidates, at least.  I generally ignore benchmarks on unreleased systems.  I do, however, like to read and learn about new features which may be present in early releases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , let me say that I use Ubuntu 9.10 on my system at work .
I am also running CentOS on servers , various Ubuntu on servers and a couple of Fedora systems .
As you can see , I have experience with all of them.So why is this review useless ?
Because they are testing development systems , which are not optimized , have loads of debugging flags set , and essentially are not ready for prime time .
Of course it may be running slower ! IMHO , you should ignore benchmarks until the release candidates , at least .
I generally ignore benchmarks on unreleased systems .
I do , however , like to read and learn about new features which may be present in early releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, let me say that I use Ubuntu 9.10 on my system at work.
I am also running CentOS on servers, various Ubuntu on servers and a couple of Fedora systems.
As you can see, I have experience with all of them.So why is this review useless?
Because they are testing development systems, which are not optimized, have loads of debugging flags set, and essentially are not ready for prime time.
Of course it may be running slower!IMHO, you should ignore benchmarks until the release candidates, at least.
I generally ignore benchmarks on unreleased systems.
I do, however, like to read and learn about new features which may be present in early releases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785488</id>
	<title>Re:Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hate to tell you but cruising is no longer the pinnacle of financial excess. Hasn't been for about 20 years. Cruise lines today are more like Taco Bell then Tavern on the Green.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate to tell you but cruising is no longer the pinnacle of financial excess .
Has n't been for about 20 years .
Cruise lines today are more like Taco Bell then Tavern on the Green .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate to tell you but cruising is no longer the pinnacle of financial excess.
Hasn't been for about 20 years.
Cruise lines today are more like Taco Bell then Tavern on the Green.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785972</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>Erikderzweite</author>
	<datestamp>1263560760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your mileage may vary. I did have slight p-problems with pulseaudio in their earlier versions, now I don't have them anymore, they were fixed for me. Anyway, Pulseaudio is very handy for my bluetooth headset. Rerouting audio streams is also very convenient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your mileage may vary .
I did have slight p-problems with pulseaudio in their earlier versions , now I do n't have them anymore , they were fixed for me .
Anyway , Pulseaudio is very handy for my bluetooth headset .
Rerouting audio streams is also very convenient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your mileage may vary.
I did have slight p-problems with pulseaudio in their earlier versions, now I don't have them anymore, they were fixed for me.
Anyway, Pulseaudio is very handy for my bluetooth headset.
Rerouting audio streams is also very convenient.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785912</id>
	<title>Come again?</title>
	<author>JohnnyBGod</author>
	<datestamp>1263560340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell is a bad performance improvement?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell is a bad performance improvement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell is a bad performance improvement?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785490</id>
	<title>Re:Why test alphas...</title>
	<author>Korin43</author>
	<datestamp>1263557760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What confuses me is why they're doing performance tests on alpha releases. Obviously the answer is to get page views, but how long will it take people to realize that performance isn't what they're trying for in the alpha..</htmltext>
<tokenext>What confuses me is why they 're doing performance tests on alpha releases .
Obviously the answer is to get page views , but how long will it take people to realize that performance is n't what they 're trying for in the alpha. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What confuses me is why they're doing performance tests on alpha releases.
Obviously the answer is to get page views, but how long will it take people to realize that performance isn't what they're trying for in the alpha..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785518</id>
	<title>Re:what is the state of ext4?</title>
	<author>MojoMagic</author>
	<datestamp>1263557880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>As I understand it, the issue is that the default time between cache dumps to disk is 4 seconds. This is much longer than ext2/3. So, if you yank the power cable during this time, on the next reboot ext4 will have no record of the event ever having occured and will use the previously journaled data instead.

If this is actually the case, then I don't really consider this a bug. It's just a larger cacheing window.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As I understand it , the issue is that the default time between cache dumps to disk is 4 seconds .
This is much longer than ext2/3 .
So , if you yank the power cable during this time , on the next reboot ext4 will have no record of the event ever having occured and will use the previously journaled data instead .
If this is actually the case , then I do n't really consider this a bug .
It 's just a larger cacheing window .
Someone please correct me if I 'm wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I understand it, the issue is that the default time between cache dumps to disk is 4 seconds.
This is much longer than ext2/3.
So, if you yank the power cable during this time, on the next reboot ext4 will have no record of the event ever having occured and will use the previously journaled data instead.
If this is actually the case, then I don't really consider this a bug.
It's just a larger cacheing window.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786572</id>
	<title>Re:rubbish</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263564960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Ubuntu doesn't use loads of debugging options (any?) in their pre-production versions. But the results show even Fedora with their options doesn't cause a huge impact.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Ubuntu does n't use loads of debugging options ( any ?
) in their pre-production versions .
But the results show even Fedora with their options does n't cause a huge impact .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Ubuntu doesn't use loads of debugging options (any?
) in their pre-production versions.
But the results show even Fedora with their options doesn't cause a huge impact.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785346</id>
	<title>Re:What is the status on Ubuntu reducing features?</title>
	<author>agrif</author>
	<datestamp>1263557040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to agree with the sibling here. I always hear about people bashing pulseaudio, but I've never had any issues with it. I also particularly enjoy the low-latency networked audio features. I can play the audio from my movie on the laptop through the speakers at my computer when it's connected to the TV. Which is <em>great</em>, because the desktop's real close and my TV speakers suck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to agree with the sibling here .
I always hear about people bashing pulseaudio , but I 've never had any issues with it .
I also particularly enjoy the low-latency networked audio features .
I can play the audio from my movie on the laptop through the speakers at my computer when it 's connected to the TV .
Which is great , because the desktop 's real close and my TV speakers suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to agree with the sibling here.
I always hear about people bashing pulseaudio, but I've never had any issues with it.
I also particularly enjoy the low-latency networked audio features.
I can play the audio from my movie on the laptop through the speakers at my computer when it's connected to the TV.
Which is great, because the desktop's real close and my TV speakers suck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785508</id>
	<title>I LIKE the toboggan ride</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wanna know why Ubuntu is the linux flavor to beat? It's fun to use.  No messy compiling of the kernel, no conf files to edit to get it up and running, it just works.  Especially with the latest revamp of the alsa interface, not to mention the snazzy layout of the repo browser.  Track record last few releases has been good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wan na know why Ubuntu is the linux flavor to beat ?
It 's fun to use .
No messy compiling of the kernel , no conf files to edit to get it up and running , it just works .
Especially with the latest revamp of the alsa interface , not to mention the snazzy layout of the repo browser .
Track record last few releases has been good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wanna know why Ubuntu is the linux flavor to beat?
It's fun to use.
No messy compiling of the kernel, no conf files to edit to get it up and running, it just works.
Especially with the latest revamp of the alsa interface, not to mention the snazzy layout of the repo browser.
Track record last few releases has been good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787466</id>
	<title>Misguided</title>
	<author>mukund</author>
	<datestamp>1263573540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The PostMark disk performance between Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 Alpha 2 was close while Fedora 13 was behind, but again given the debugging options used during the development cycle and its pre-alpha state we aren't worrying too much.</p></div></blockquote><p>

What's the point of your 'benchmark' then?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The PostMark disk performance between Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 Alpha 2 was close while Fedora 13 was behind , but again given the debugging options used during the development cycle and its pre-alpha state we are n't worrying too much .
What 's the point of your 'benchmark ' then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PostMark disk performance between Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 Alpha 2 was close while Fedora 13 was behind, but again given the debugging options used during the development cycle and its pre-alpha state we aren't worrying too much.
What's the point of your 'benchmark' then?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786516</id>
	<title>Re:Come again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263564660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The word "bad" has more than one meaning, as exemplified in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad\_(Michael\_Jackson\_song)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">this short summary</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The word " bad " has more than one meaning , as exemplified in this short summary [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The word "bad" has more than one meaning, as exemplified in this short summary [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785380</id>
	<title>Re:what is the state of ext4?</title>
	<author>XanC</author>
	<datestamp>1263557280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could lose data on it, if your software is poorly-written.  Ext4 now caters to this poorly-written software, which is why it's lost some of its performance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could lose data on it , if your software is poorly-written .
Ext4 now caters to this poorly-written software , which is why it 's lost some of its performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could lose data on it, if your software is poorly-written.
Ext4 now caters to this poorly-written software, which is why it's lost some of its performance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30790880</id>
	<title>Re:Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1263662880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EVERYDAY on my mac is like a cruise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EVERYDAY on my mac is like a cruise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EVERYDAY on my mac is like a cruise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785638</id>
	<title>Re:Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>keithpreston</author>
	<datestamp>1263558540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>By pulling a computer from a dumpster, outfitting it with a $100 hard disk, and installing Linux, I get a giant file server, saving me $200 on an easy backup solution (vs. Apple's Time Capsule). That makes me $200 richer than I would be otherwise, meaning I can use that money elsewhere. With the money I've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages, I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise. Has your "real" Mac ever paid for your vacation?</p></div><p>Little do you realize that your "dumpster" computer pulls quite a bit more power then the power miser time capsule (30w maximum).   Considering the cost of electricity a 100w device costs around ~100 a year to run (24/7).    So over two years, you are at a negative with your dumpster computer, not to mention the extra time spent setting it up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>By pulling a computer from a dumpster , outfitting it with a $ 100 hard disk , and installing Linux , I get a giant file server , saving me $ 200 on an easy backup solution ( vs. Apple 's Time Capsule ) .
That makes me $ 200 richer than I would be otherwise , meaning I can use that money elsewhere .
With the money I 've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages , I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise .
Has your " real " Mac ever paid for your vacation ? Little do you realize that your " dumpster " computer pulls quite a bit more power then the power miser time capsule ( 30w maximum ) .
Considering the cost of electricity a 100w device costs around ~ 100 a year to run ( 24/7 ) .
So over two years , you are at a negative with your dumpster computer , not to mention the extra time spent setting it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By pulling a computer from a dumpster, outfitting it with a $100 hard disk, and installing Linux, I get a giant file server, saving me $200 on an easy backup solution (vs. Apple's Time Capsule).
That makes me $200 richer than I would be otherwise, meaning I can use that money elsewhere.
With the money I've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages, I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise.
Has your "real" Mac ever paid for your vacation?Little do you realize that your "dumpster" computer pulls quite a bit more power then the power miser time capsule (30w maximum).
Considering the cost of electricity a 100w device costs around ~100 a year to run (24/7).
So over two years, you are at a negative with your dumpster computer, not to mention the extra time spent setting it up.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785424</id>
	<title>Trolls are fun</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By pulling a computer from a dumpster, outfitting it with a $100 hard disk, and installing Linux, I get a giant file server, saving me $200 on an easy backup solution (vs. Apple's Time Capsule). That makes me $200 richer than I would be otherwise, meaning I can use that money elsewhere. With the money I've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages, I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise. Has your "real" Mac ever paid for your vacation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By pulling a computer from a dumpster , outfitting it with a $ 100 hard disk , and installing Linux , I get a giant file server , saving me $ 200 on an easy backup solution ( vs. Apple 's Time Capsule ) .
That makes me $ 200 richer than I would be otherwise , meaning I can use that money elsewhere .
With the money I 've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages , I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise .
Has your " real " Mac ever paid for your vacation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By pulling a computer from a dumpster, outfitting it with a $100 hard disk, and installing Linux, I get a giant file server, saving me $200 on an easy backup solution (vs. Apple's Time Capsule).
That makes me $200 richer than I would be otherwise, meaning I can use that money elsewhere.
With the money I've saved over the years thanks to Linux and other open-source packages, I will soon be taking a Caribbean cruise.
Has your "real" Mac ever paid for your vacation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785160</id>
	<title>linux is for cock smoking queers.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263555900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>buy a mac homos! or are you too poor to afford a real computer?</htmltext>
<tokenext>buy a mac homos !
or are you too poor to afford a real computer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>buy a mac homos!
or are you too poor to afford a real computer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785330</id>
	<title>Why Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263556920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why compare Ubuntu with anything?  In my experience it's Debian, with a horrible colour scheme and a screwed up GUI.  It's gone downhill so fast it's been like a toboggan ride.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why compare Ubuntu with anything ?
In my experience it 's Debian , with a horrible colour scheme and a screwed up GUI .
It 's gone downhill so fast it 's been like a toboggan ride .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why compare Ubuntu with anything?
In my experience it's Debian, with a horrible colour scheme and a screwed up GUI.
It's gone downhill so fast it's been like a toboggan ride.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785694</id>
	<title>Grub2 and FakeRAID</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263558900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wake me when Grub2 supports FakeRAID...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me when Grub2 supports FakeRAID.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me when Grub2 supports FakeRAID...</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30786698</id>
	<title>Re:What often really matters are the upstream apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263566040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you mean with KDE?</p><p>You have not heard that KDE means the community and KDE Software Compilation means all the official software like Plasma-Desktop, Plasma-Netbook, KDE Platform and KDE Applications (Some are part of KDE SC but most are 3rd party apps like Amarok, digiKam, KOffice etc)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you mean with KDE ? You have not heard that KDE means the community and KDE Software Compilation means all the official software like Plasma-Desktop , Plasma-Netbook , KDE Platform and KDE Applications ( Some are part of KDE SC but most are 3rd party apps like Amarok , digiKam , KOffice etc )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you mean with KDE?You have not heard that KDE means the community and KDE Software Compilation means all the official software like Plasma-Desktop, Plasma-Netbook, KDE Platform and KDE Applications (Some are part of KDE SC but most are 3rd party apps like Amarok, digiKam, KOffice etc)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30797654</id>
	<title>Re:Grub2 and FakeRAID</title>
	<author>mikechant</author>
	<datestamp>1263737040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know you don't have to use Grub2? I'm sticking with legacy Grub until Grub2 is more mature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know you do n't have to use Grub2 ?
I 'm sticking with legacy Grub until Grub2 is more mature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know you don't have to use Grub2?
I'm sticking with legacy Grub until Grub2 is more mature.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30790682</id>
	<title>Re:What often really matters are the upstream apps</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1263660840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.</p></div><p>I must've missed something... when did Nintendo switch over to using standard HID protocols instead of their proprietary wiimote one which has never worked on <em>any</em> OS's standard input driver?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.I must 've missed something... when did Nintendo switch over to using standard HID protocols instead of their proprietary wiimote one which has never worked on any OS 's standard input driver ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broken Wiimote Support in the evdev driver.I must've missed something... when did Nintendo switch over to using standard HID protocols instead of their proprietary wiimote one which has never worked on any OS's standard input driver?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785656</id>
	<title>Re:linux is for cock smoking queers.</title>
	<author>mugurel</author>
	<datestamp>1263558660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>my linux runs on a mac, you insensitive clod!</htmltext>
<tokenext>my linux runs on a mac , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my linux runs on a mac, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30788270</id>
	<title>Re:Why test alphas...</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1263583320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or worse, comparing an alpha of one distro to a prealpha of another distro, as if the numbers are at all useful.  It tells us nothing about their individual speeds by the time we'll be using them, and tell us nothing useful about the speed of either distro. WTF?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or worse , comparing an alpha of one distro to a prealpha of another distro , as if the numbers are at all useful .
It tells us nothing about their individual speeds by the time we 'll be using them , and tell us nothing useful about the speed of either distro .
WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or worse, comparing an alpha of one distro to a prealpha of another distro, as if the numbers are at all useful.
It tells us nothing about their individual speeds by the time we'll be using them, and tell us nothing useful about the speed of either distro.
WTF?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30785498</id>
	<title>rubbish</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263557820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This 'review' is complete rubbish alpha and beta builds are allays much slower than the production versions.  They have all types of debug options turned on.  I don' see how you can compare them. If one os has more debug options turned on than the other it would be slower.  Surely....</htmltext>
<tokenext>This 'review ' is complete rubbish alpha and beta builds are allays much slower than the production versions .
They have all types of debug options turned on .
I don ' see how you can compare them .
If one os has more debug options turned on than the other it would be slower .
Surely... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This 'review' is complete rubbish alpha and beta builds are allays much slower than the production versions.
They have all types of debug options turned on.
I don' see how you can compare them.
If one os has more debug options turned on than the other it would be slower.
Surely....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787580</id>
	<title>Re:What is a bad performance improvement?</title>
	<author>sourICE</author>
	<datestamp>1263575220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One that removes important previously relied on and adapted to functions in order to create said performance improvement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One that removes important previously relied on and adapted to functions in order to create said performance improvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One that removes important previously relied on and adapted to functions in order to create said performance improvement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_2048228.30787376</id>
	<title>Re:Come again?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263572580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And those negative regressions, they really irk me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And those negative regressions , they really irk me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And those negative regressions, they really irk me.</sentencetext>
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