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	<title>Antitrust Case Against RIAA Reinstated</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1263563100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes <i>"After Starr v. SONY BMG Music Entertainment was dismissed at the District Court level,
the <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/#6567482304471093068">antitrust class action against the RIAA has been reinstated</a> by the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. In its <a href="http://beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Lawyer\_Copyright\_Internet\_Law/starr\_sony\_100113Opinion.pdf">25-page opinion</a> (PDF), the Appeals court held the following allegations sufficiently allege antitrust violations: 'First, defendants agreed to launch MusicNet and pressplay, both of which charged unreasonably high prices and contained similar DRMs. Second, none of the defendants dramatically reduced their prices for Internet Music (as compared to CDs), despite the fact that all defendants experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing Internet Music. Third, when defendants began to sell Internet Music through entities they did not own or control, they maintained the same unreasonably high prices and DRMs as MusicNet itself. Fourth, defendants used MFNs [most favored nation clauses] in their licenses that had the effect of guaranteeing that the licensor who signed the MFN received terms no less favorable than terms offered to other licensors. For example, both EMI and UMG used MFN clauses in their licensing agreements with MusicNet. Fifth, defendants used the MFNs to enforce a wholesale price floor of about 70 cents per song. Sixth, all defendants refuse to do business with eMusic, the #2 Internet Music retailer. Seventh, in or about May 2005, all defendants raised wholesale prices from about $0.65 per song to $0.70 per song. This price increase was enforced by MFNs.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes " After Starr v. SONY BMG Music Entertainment was dismissed at the District Court level , the antitrust class action against the RIAA has been reinstated by the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit .
In its 25-page opinion ( PDF ) , the Appeals court held the following allegations sufficiently allege antitrust violations : 'First , defendants agreed to launch MusicNet and pressplay , both of which charged unreasonably high prices and contained similar DRMs .
Second , none of the defendants dramatically reduced their prices for Internet Music ( as compared to CDs ) , despite the fact that all defendants experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing Internet Music .
Third , when defendants began to sell Internet Music through entities they did not own or control , they maintained the same unreasonably high prices and DRMs as MusicNet itself .
Fourth , defendants used MFNs [ most favored nation clauses ] in their licenses that had the effect of guaranteeing that the licensor who signed the MFN received terms no less favorable than terms offered to other licensors .
For example , both EMI and UMG used MFN clauses in their licensing agreements with MusicNet .
Fifth , defendants used the MFNs to enforce a wholesale price floor of about 70 cents per song .
Sixth , all defendants refuse to do business with eMusic , the # 2 Internet Music retailer .
Seventh , in or about May 2005 , all defendants raised wholesale prices from about $ 0.65 per song to $ 0.70 per song .
This price increase was enforced by MFNs .
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<sentencetext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "After Starr v. SONY BMG Music Entertainment was dismissed at the District Court level,
the antitrust class action against the RIAA has been reinstated by the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit.
In its 25-page opinion (PDF), the Appeals court held the following allegations sufficiently allege antitrust violations: 'First, defendants agreed to launch MusicNet and pressplay, both of which charged unreasonably high prices and contained similar DRMs.
Second, none of the defendants dramatically reduced their prices for Internet Music (as compared to CDs), despite the fact that all defendants experienced dramatic cost reductions in producing Internet Music.
Third, when defendants began to sell Internet Music through entities they did not own or control, they maintained the same unreasonably high prices and DRMs as MusicNet itself.
Fourth, defendants used MFNs [most favored nation clauses] in their licenses that had the effect of guaranteeing that the licensor who signed the MFN received terms no less favorable than terms offered to other licensors.
For example, both EMI and UMG used MFN clauses in their licensing agreements with MusicNet.
Fifth, defendants used the MFNs to enforce a wholesale price floor of about 70 cents per song.
Sixth, all defendants refuse to do business with eMusic, the #2 Internet Music retailer.
Seventh, in or about May 2005, all defendants raised wholesale prices from about $0.65 per song to $0.70 per song.
This price increase was enforced by MFNs.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Ian Alexander</author>
	<datestamp>1263573180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is why we should care.  I know that it's clich&#233;d, but these companies care nothing about you, or about music, or about the well-being of the world in which they operate.  They are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is.</p></div><p>What other companies \_actually\_ care about the consumer, the product they sell, or the world in which they operate? Modern society boils all of business down to a search for short-term profit. Consumers only matter because they have wallets, products only matter because they need to open the consumer's wallets somehow, and the world at large only matters when it begins being bad for business.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is why we should care .
I know that it 's clich   d , but these companies care nothing about you , or about music , or about the well-being of the world in which they operate .
They are wholly evil , in a way that almost no other business is.What other companies \ _actually \ _ care about the consumer , the product they sell , or the world in which they operate ?
Modern society boils all of business down to a search for short-term profit .
Consumers only matter because they have wallets , products only matter because they need to open the consumer 's wallets somehow , and the world at large only matters when it begins being bad for business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why we should care.
I know that it's clichéd, but these companies care nothing about you, or about music, or about the well-being of the world in which they operate.
They are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is.What other companies \_actually\_ care about the consumer, the product they sell, or the world in which they operate?
Modern society boils all of business down to a search for short-term profit.
Consumers only matter because they have wallets, products only matter because they need to open the consumer's wallets somehow, and the world at large only matters when it begins being bad for business.
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	<title>Re:Anyone know any truly independent labels?</title>
	<author>zerocool^</author>
	<datestamp>1263810600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's late replying.  There are lots of independent labels, and the cost of recording and producing music is dropping significantly every year.  20 years ago, digital recording used to take $500,000 worth of equipment (racks full of DATs), 10 years ago it took $5000 (several echo laylas with preamps, hardware compressor, mixing board/preamp), now it takes $500 (two M-Audio Delta 1010LT and CEPro will give you simultaneous 20 track recording).</p><p>The problem is distribution.  A lot of indie labels still have distribution deals with the big guys, which, to me, just perpetuates the system.  Bands jump ship from indie to major label in order to get their records into walmart/bestbuy.</p><p>Don't worry.  The internet is changing that.  Soon that piece of the puzzle will fall off of the map, and at that point, there won't be any need for a record label.  Bands will pay a recording studio to perform work, take the masters to a producer to perform the mix, get the album, sell it online.  They'll have a management staff to coordinate merchandise and touring.</p><p>After recording, touring support, merch support, and distribution, the only reason labels exist is to loan a band money.  As the price comes down, this will continue to fall away.</p><p>30 years, and we will have witnessed the death of the Major record label.  We live in exciting times.</p><p>~X</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's late replying .
There are lots of independent labels , and the cost of recording and producing music is dropping significantly every year .
20 years ago , digital recording used to take $ 500,000 worth of equipment ( racks full of DATs ) , 10 years ago it took $ 5000 ( several echo laylas with preamps , hardware compressor , mixing board/preamp ) , now it takes $ 500 ( two M-Audio Delta 1010LT and CEPro will give you simultaneous 20 track recording ) .The problem is distribution .
A lot of indie labels still have distribution deals with the big guys , which , to me , just perpetuates the system .
Bands jump ship from indie to major label in order to get their records into walmart/bestbuy.Do n't worry .
The internet is changing that .
Soon that piece of the puzzle will fall off of the map , and at that point , there wo n't be any need for a record label .
Bands will pay a recording studio to perform work , take the masters to a producer to perform the mix , get the album , sell it online .
They 'll have a management staff to coordinate merchandise and touring.After recording , touring support , merch support , and distribution , the only reason labels exist is to loan a band money .
As the price comes down , this will continue to fall away.30 years , and we will have witnessed the death of the Major record label .
We live in exciting times. ~ X</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's late replying.
There are lots of independent labels, and the cost of recording and producing music is dropping significantly every year.
20 years ago, digital recording used to take $500,000 worth of equipment (racks full of DATs), 10 years ago it took $5000 (several echo laylas with preamps, hardware compressor, mixing board/preamp), now it takes $500 (two M-Audio Delta 1010LT and CEPro will give you simultaneous 20 track recording).The problem is distribution.
A lot of indie labels still have distribution deals with the big guys, which, to me, just perpetuates the system.
Bands jump ship from indie to major label in order to get their records into walmart/bestbuy.Don't worry.
The internet is changing that.
Soon that piece of the puzzle will fall off of the map, and at that point, there won't be any need for a record label.
Bands will pay a recording studio to perform work, take the masters to a producer to perform the mix, get the album, sell it online.
They'll have a management staff to coordinate merchandise and touring.After recording, touring support, merch support, and distribution, the only reason labels exist is to loan a band money.
As the price comes down, this will continue to fall away.30 years, and we will have witnessed the death of the Major record label.
We live in exciting times.~X</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778804</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting Points</title>
	<author>AmonRa1979</author>
	<datestamp>1263570240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the difference is that Al Capone DIDN'T pay off the right government officials.  That's probably not the case here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the difference is that Al Capone DID N'T pay off the right government officials .
That 's probably not the case here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the difference is that Al Capone DIDN'T pay off the right government officials.
That's probably not the case here.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Interesting Points</title>
	<author>TheDukePatio</author>
	<datestamp>1263586560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ever wonder why the Mob doesn't get into pirating music?  The RIAA, that's why.  It's far more risky than armed hold-ups, protection schemes, drugs, hookers, murder-for-hire, etc.  Find me a 'Made Man' who's pirating music, and I'll find you a man who's closer to jail than he thought he was.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever wonder why the Mob does n't get into pirating music ?
The RIAA , that 's why .
It 's far more risky than armed hold-ups , protection schemes , drugs , hookers , murder-for-hire , etc .
Find me a 'Made Man ' who 's pirating music , and I 'll find you a man who 's closer to jail than he thought he was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever wonder why the Mob doesn't get into pirating music?
The RIAA, that's why.
It's far more risky than armed hold-ups, protection schemes, drugs, hookers, murder-for-hire, etc.
Find me a 'Made Man' who's pirating music, and I'll find you a man who's closer to jail than he thought he was.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Ltap</author>
	<datestamp>1263573300000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's a complete fallacy. The thing that makes the labels/**AAs (you can't really talk about one without the other) is not what they do but how they do it.
<br> <br>
Most firearms companies are small and operate through defense contracts with governments. Most of the knockoff weapons that rather unsavoury people are armed with were produced by gunsmiths working with gangs. The fact that the weapons kill is irrelevant - the weapons exist, so they would be used, which necessitates producing more to defend yourself with, etc., etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a complete fallacy .
The thing that makes the labels/ * * AAs ( you ca n't really talk about one without the other ) is not what they do but how they do it .
Most firearms companies are small and operate through defense contracts with governments .
Most of the knockoff weapons that rather unsavoury people are armed with were produced by gunsmiths working with gangs .
The fact that the weapons kill is irrelevant - the weapons exist , so they would be used , which necessitates producing more to defend yourself with , etc. , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a complete fallacy.
The thing that makes the labels/**AAs (you can't really talk about one without the other) is not what they do but how they do it.
Most firearms companies are small and operate through defense contracts with governments.
Most of the knockoff weapons that rather unsavoury people are armed with were produced by gunsmiths working with gangs.
The fact that the weapons kill is irrelevant - the weapons exist, so they would be used, which necessitates producing more to defend yourself with, etc., etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778576</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember when I worked with a guy with good connections to all (then five) big music companies (who did all the deals for us, because he was an insider). He usually was on the phone with these big music managers, loudly joking, and setting up meetings of talking about deals.</p><p>In the industry, it&rsquo;s all about connections. A small group of people who know each other.</p><p>And this was, how he once described the typical &ldquo;business meeting&rdquo; to me: (I think in this example it was the EMI boss.)<br>He took the elevator to the top floor. The guy greeted him and offered him lines of coke as thick as your finger, on a mirror.<br>Then he ordered some hookers. And <em>then</em> it was time for business.<br>According to him, that was rather normal, and in no way an exception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember when I worked with a guy with good connections to all ( then five ) big music companies ( who did all the deals for us , because he was an insider ) .
He usually was on the phone with these big music managers , loudly joking , and setting up meetings of talking about deals.In the industry , it    s all about connections .
A small group of people who know each other.And this was , how he once described the typical    business meeting    to me : ( I think in this example it was the EMI boss .
) He took the elevator to the top floor .
The guy greeted him and offered him lines of coke as thick as your finger , on a mirror.Then he ordered some hookers .
And then it was time for business.According to him , that was rather normal , and in no way an exception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember when I worked with a guy with good connections to all (then five) big music companies (who did all the deals for us, because he was an insider).
He usually was on the phone with these big music managers, loudly joking, and setting up meetings of talking about deals.In the industry, it’s all about connections.
A small group of people who know each other.And this was, how he once described the typical “business meeting” to me: (I think in this example it was the EMI boss.
)He took the elevator to the top floor.
The guy greeted him and offered him lines of coke as thick as your finger, on a mirror.Then he ordered some hookers.
And then it was time for business.According to him, that was rather normal, and in no way an exception.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778888</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263570780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh FFS calm down - and look in the dictionary for "evil".</p><p>There's nothing evil about not caring about music, or about you, or about the "well-being" of a bunch of self-entitled middle-class pricks.  No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD.  Villagers haven't been raped and murdered for being in the way of a new CD pressing plant in Nigeria.  And 20,000 people per year aren't dying from lung cancer because they got hooked on Eminem.</p><p>Please get some fucking perspective on this.  These companies deal in *entertainment*.  Look at oil and diamonds and drink and tobacco and firearms if you want to talk about "evil".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh FFS calm down - and look in the dictionary for " evil " .There 's nothing evil about not caring about music , or about you , or about the " well-being " of a bunch of self-entitled middle-class pricks .
No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD .
Villagers have n't been raped and murdered for being in the way of a new CD pressing plant in Nigeria .
And 20,000 people per year are n't dying from lung cancer because they got hooked on Eminem.Please get some fucking perspective on this .
These companies deal in * entertainment * .
Look at oil and diamonds and drink and tobacco and firearms if you want to talk about " evil " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh FFS calm down - and look in the dictionary for "evil".There's nothing evil about not caring about music, or about you, or about the "well-being" of a bunch of self-entitled middle-class pricks.
No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD.
Villagers haven't been raped and murdered for being in the way of a new CD pressing plant in Nigeria.
And 20,000 people per year aren't dying from lung cancer because they got hooked on Eminem.Please get some fucking perspective on this.
These companies deal in *entertainment*.
Look at oil and diamonds and drink and tobacco and firearms if you want to talk about "evil".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778836</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263570480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>These seem to be serious allegations. I hope there's action taken this time.</i></p><p>You mean you hope there's action taken <b>if they are proven to be true</b>, right?</p><p>Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These seem to be serious allegations .
I hope there 's action taken this time.You mean you hope there 's action taken if they are proven to be true , right ? Due process applies to everyone , not just the people we like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These seem to be serious allegations.
I hope there's action taken this time.You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263567000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781600</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263583200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wether you are 5 or 25 sharing things that are yours is nice, sharing things that belong to others is not.</p><p>If another kid lets you play with his toy in kindergarden you don't give that toy to a third kid and say they can do whatever they want with it.</p><p>When you "buy" music you are buying a license to use that music in a limited fashion.  The person who owns the rights to the music is the real owner, you more or less have it on loan under specific circumstances.</p><p>That's the nature of copyright.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wether you are 5 or 25 sharing things that are yours is nice , sharing things that belong to others is not.If another kid lets you play with his toy in kindergarden you do n't give that toy to a third kid and say they can do whatever they want with it.When you " buy " music you are buying a license to use that music in a limited fashion .
The person who owns the rights to the music is the real owner , you more or less have it on loan under specific circumstances.That 's the nature of copyright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wether you are 5 or 25 sharing things that are yours is nice, sharing things that belong to others is not.If another kid lets you play with his toy in kindergarden you don't give that toy to a third kid and say they can do whatever they want with it.When you "buy" music you are buying a license to use that music in a limited fashion.
The person who owns the rights to the music is the real owner, you more or less have it on loan under specific circumstances.That's the nature of copyright.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778668</id>
	<title>Re:MFN?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't that rather the crux of the argument in TFA?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't that rather the crux of the argument in TFA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't that rather the crux of the argument in TFA?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779152</id>
	<title>Anyone know any truly independent labels?</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1263572340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers, and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music. The question is, are there any independent labels right now? I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels' are really owned by the big music publishers, who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets, or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.</p><p>Anyone know of any labels which really, truly, are independent, with which bands and music lovers might do business?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel ' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers , and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music .
The question is , are there any independent labels right now ?
I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels ' are really owned by the big music publishers , who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets , or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.Anyone know of any labels which really , truly , are independent , with which bands and music lovers might do business ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers, and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music.
The question is, are there any independent labels right now?
I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels' are really owned by the big music publishers, who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets, or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.Anyone know of any labels which really, truly, are independent, with which bands and music lovers might do business?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263575160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You cannot forget the Janis Ian letter. She certainly comes off as the one that should be listened to most. Plus, she's awesome.</p><p>http://www.janisian.com/article-internet\_debacle.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can not forget the Janis Ian letter .
She certainly comes off as the one that should be listened to most .
Plus , she 's awesome.http : //www.janisian.com/article-internet \ _debacle.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cannot forget the Janis Ian letter.
She certainly comes off as the one that should be listened to most.
Plus, she's awesome.http://www.janisian.com/article-internet\_debacle.html</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778864</id>
	<title>Why not pass along cost savings?</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1263570720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can't [all major labels' simultaneous royalty] increase (approximately 7\%) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years?</p></div><p>Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases? Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't [ all major labels ' simultaneous royalty ] increase ( approximately 7 \ % ) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years ? Why does n't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases ?
Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't [all major labels' simultaneous royalty] increase (approximately 7\%) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years?Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases?
Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778476</id>
	<title>Re:MFN?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263568740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First corporations claim to be people, and now they claim to be nations. WTF? SFYs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First corporations claim to be people , and now they claim to be nations .
WTF ? SFYs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First corporations claim to be people, and now they claim to be nations.
WTF? SFYs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778554</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have become the modern Keyser S&#246;ze of the US...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have become the modern Keyser S   ze of the US.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have become the modern Keyser Söze of the US...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779198</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263572700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?</p><p>Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.</p></div><p>I'd hope there is action taken even if collusion can't be proven in a court of law.<br>Legal, but anti-competitive trade practices are just as damaging to the markets as illegal ones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean you hope there 's action taken if they are proven to be true , right ? Due process applies to everyone , not just the people we like.I 'd hope there is action taken even if collusion ca n't be proven in a court of law.Legal , but anti-competitive trade practices are just as damaging to the markets as illegal ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.I'd hope there is action taken even if collusion can't be proven in a court of law.Legal, but anti-competitive trade practices are just as damaging to the markets as illegal ones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778970</id>
	<title>payback tag change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>playback?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>playback ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>playback?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780002</id>
	<title>Re:How Will Judgements be Paid?</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1263576840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution, but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to "pay" by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice (i.e. their choice of the worst selling items)</p></div><p>Don't bet on it.  They can only get away with that shit once.  It isn't the court that decided that last time, it was a negotiated settlement between the various state DAs offices and the RIAA.  The DAs just didn't realize what sharks they were dealing with.  I know this because an ex of mine was a junior DA from one of the smaller states on that case and she even got herself quoted in their local paper saying something to the effect of, "I'm sure the senior DAs from around the country will not allow the RIAA to wiggle out of this settlement."  Its about 10 years later and that newspaper interview is still one of the funniest things I have to give her shit about.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution , but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to " pay " by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice ( i.e .
their choice of the worst selling items ) Do n't bet on it .
They can only get away with that shit once .
It is n't the court that decided that last time , it was a negotiated settlement between the various state DAs offices and the RIAA .
The DAs just did n't realize what sharks they were dealing with .
I know this because an ex of mine was a junior DA from one of the smaller states on that case and she even got herself quoted in their local paper saying something to the effect of , " I 'm sure the senior DAs from around the country will not allow the RIAA to wiggle out of this settlement .
" Its about 10 years later and that newspaper interview is still one of the funniest things I have to give her shit about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution, but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to "pay" by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice (i.e.
their choice of the worst selling items)Don't bet on it.
They can only get away with that shit once.
It isn't the court that decided that last time, it was a negotiated settlement between the various state DAs offices and the RIAA.
The DAs just didn't realize what sharks they were dealing with.
I know this because an ex of mine was a junior DA from one of the smaller states on that case and she even got herself quoted in their local paper saying something to the effect of, "I'm sure the senior DAs from around the country will not allow the RIAA to wiggle out of this settlement.
"  Its about 10 years later and that newspaper interview is still one of the funniest things I have to give her shit about.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779070</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>why would you have an increased stress level due to the RIAA? Only people who are violating copyright on music would need to worry about that. If you've violated copyright then the stress is induced by you - so sue yourself. If you haven't violated copyright than any stress you are feeling due to the RIAA is a symptom of insanity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>why would you have an increased stress level due to the RIAA ?
Only people who are violating copyright on music would need to worry about that .
If you 've violated copyright then the stress is induced by you - so sue yourself .
If you have n't violated copyright than any stress you are feeling due to the RIAA is a symptom of insanity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why would you have an increased stress level due to the RIAA?
Only people who are violating copyright on music would need to worry about that.
If you've violated copyright then the stress is induced by you - so sue yourself.
If you haven't violated copyright than any stress you are feeling due to the RIAA is a symptom of insanity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779744</id>
	<title>Re:Why not pass along cost savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263575520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's interesting to note the different trends here.</p><p>Over time, the actual cost of making recordings comparable to those made by major recording companies has dropped, and the quality level you can expect has increased. You don't really need that much in the way of specialist hardware these days, since most of it can be done with inexpensive (sometimes free) software. High-end consumer sound cards are probably good enough, when paired with decent microphones, but even professional low-latency sound recording hardware isn't that expensive. The only thing that's even slightly expensive is studio time, but it's not really that difficult or expensive to adequately soundproof a room if you're going to be needing it often.</p><p>You can certainly match the quality of professional recordings from the early '90s without too much trouble or expense.</p><p>On the flip side, "professional" recording has become more expensive, rather than less expensive. They use an insane amount of specialist hardware and software, specially built recording studios, and small armies of people</p><p>The difference is probably something like a 5 or 10\% quality improvement, while costing 1000 times as much (note - numbers made up on the spot). The quality improvement hardly matters anyway - it's barely noticeable with CD quality output, it's certainly not noticeable once it's been run through a lossy audio codec, and they tend to wipe out any quality improvement they may have had by mixing everything far too loud, resulting in horrible distortion.</p><p>My guess is that they're just carrying on doing things they way they used to. I don't doubt that, in the '80s, producing a sound recording to go on a CD would have been incredibly difficult, and required a great deal of expensive hardware. Since they've had no real incentive to reduce costs, they've just kept on doing things the same way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's interesting to note the different trends here.Over time , the actual cost of making recordings comparable to those made by major recording companies has dropped , and the quality level you can expect has increased .
You do n't really need that much in the way of specialist hardware these days , since most of it can be done with inexpensive ( sometimes free ) software .
High-end consumer sound cards are probably good enough , when paired with decent microphones , but even professional low-latency sound recording hardware is n't that expensive .
The only thing that 's even slightly expensive is studio time , but it 's not really that difficult or expensive to adequately soundproof a room if you 're going to be needing it often.You can certainly match the quality of professional recordings from the early '90s without too much trouble or expense.On the flip side , " professional " recording has become more expensive , rather than less expensive .
They use an insane amount of specialist hardware and software , specially built recording studios , and small armies of peopleThe difference is probably something like a 5 or 10 \ % quality improvement , while costing 1000 times as much ( note - numbers made up on the spot ) .
The quality improvement hardly matters anyway - it 's barely noticeable with CD quality output , it 's certainly not noticeable once it 's been run through a lossy audio codec , and they tend to wipe out any quality improvement they may have had by mixing everything far too loud , resulting in horrible distortion.My guess is that they 're just carrying on doing things they way they used to .
I do n't doubt that , in the '80s , producing a sound recording to go on a CD would have been incredibly difficult , and required a great deal of expensive hardware .
Since they 've had no real incentive to reduce costs , they 've just kept on doing things the same way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's interesting to note the different trends here.Over time, the actual cost of making recordings comparable to those made by major recording companies has dropped, and the quality level you can expect has increased.
You don't really need that much in the way of specialist hardware these days, since most of it can be done with inexpensive (sometimes free) software.
High-end consumer sound cards are probably good enough, when paired with decent microphones, but even professional low-latency sound recording hardware isn't that expensive.
The only thing that's even slightly expensive is studio time, but it's not really that difficult or expensive to adequately soundproof a room if you're going to be needing it often.You can certainly match the quality of professional recordings from the early '90s without too much trouble or expense.On the flip side, "professional" recording has become more expensive, rather than less expensive.
They use an insane amount of specialist hardware and software, specially built recording studios, and small armies of peopleThe difference is probably something like a 5 or 10\% quality improvement, while costing 1000 times as much (note - numbers made up on the spot).
The quality improvement hardly matters anyway - it's barely noticeable with CD quality output, it's certainly not noticeable once it's been run through a lossy audio codec, and they tend to wipe out any quality improvement they may have had by mixing everything far too loud, resulting in horrible distortion.My guess is that they're just carrying on doing things they way they used to.
I don't doubt that, in the '80s, producing a sound recording to go on a CD would have been incredibly difficult, and required a great deal of expensive hardware.
Since they've had no real incentive to reduce costs, they've just kept on doing things the same way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30783674</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1263549120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD. Villagers haven't been raped and murdered for being in the way of a new CD pressing plant in Nigeria. And 20,000 people per year aren't dying from lung cancer because they got hooked on Eminem.</p></div><p>I'm only saying this for argument's sake, but:</p><p>What if songs only cost what they really were worth, and the money that goes to support the RIAA were still in the pockets of the consumers and the artists instead?  What, then, if more of them donated time and money to humanitarian aid, sane foreign policy, and smoking cessation campaigns?</p><p>There's a thin possibility that, by stopping this one evil that we do know and care about, people and resources could be reallocated in ways that do wind up impacting the greater good.</p><p>How's that for a perspective?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD .
Villagers have n't been raped and murdered for being in the way of a new CD pressing plant in Nigeria .
And 20,000 people per year are n't dying from lung cancer because they got hooked on Eminem.I 'm only saying this for argument 's sake , but : What if songs only cost what they really were worth , and the money that goes to support the RIAA were still in the pockets of the consumers and the artists instead ?
What , then , if more of them donated time and money to humanitarian aid , sane foreign policy , and smoking cessation campaigns ? There 's a thin possibility that , by stopping this one evil that we do know and care about , people and resources could be reallocated in ways that do wind up impacting the greater good.How 's that for a perspective ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No-one in Ethopia is starving because of the RIAA cartel overpricing the latest fucking Jonah Bros CD.
Villagers haven't been raped and murdered for being in the way of a new CD pressing plant in Nigeria.
And 20,000 people per year aren't dying from lung cancer because they got hooked on Eminem.I'm only saying this for argument's sake, but:What if songs only cost what they really were worth, and the money that goes to support the RIAA were still in the pockets of the consumers and the artists instead?
What, then, if more of them donated time and money to humanitarian aid, sane foreign policy, and smoking cessation campaigns?There's a thin possibility that, by stopping this one evil that we do know and care about, people and resources could be reallocated in ways that do wind up impacting the greater good.How's that for a perspective?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778666</id>
	<title>RIAA has stopped Sueing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.</p></div><p>The RIAA announced that they were terminating their practices of <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=RIAA+stopping+the+lawsuits&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">filing hundreds of civil lawsuits</a> [google.com] so your jaywalking children should be okay.

</p><p>Is this article the evolved version of the RIAA's anti-consumer tactics?  It's not clear from the summary, but the way I read this is that the RIAA is evil because mimimium song prices are being raised from $0.65 to $0.70.  Can't this increase (approximately 7\%) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years?  I'm not sure why this story is so evil.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.The RIAA announced that they were terminating their practices of filing hundreds of civil lawsuits [ google.com ] so your jaywalking children should be okay .
Is this article the evolved version of the RIAA 's anti-consumer tactics ?
It 's not clear from the summary , but the way I read this is that the RIAA is evil because mimimium song prices are being raised from $ 0.65 to $ 0.70 .
Ca n't this increase ( approximately 7 \ % ) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years ?
I 'm not sure why this story is so evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.The RIAA announced that they were terminating their practices of filing hundreds of civil lawsuits [google.com] so your jaywalking children should be okay.
Is this article the evolved version of the RIAA's anti-consumer tactics?
It's not clear from the summary, but the way I read this is that the RIAA is evil because mimimium song prices are being raised from $0.65 to $0.70.
Can't this increase (approximately 7\%) be explained by typical inflation and justifiably be expected every two years?
I'm not sure why this story is so evil.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781874</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263584160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sharing things that belong to you = nice<br>Sharing things that belong to other people = evil</p><p>I hope this clarifies things for the morally-retarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sharing things that belong to you = niceSharing things that belong to other people = evilI hope this clarifies things for the morally-retarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sharing things that belong to you = niceSharing things that belong to other people = evilI hope this clarifies things for the morally-retarded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780132</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being stupid to prove your point merely proves you are stupid.</p><p>sharing music!=sharing toys.</p><p>Your inability to comprehend this is not the failure of the industry or your parents, merely the failure of your ability to apply common sense.</p><p>If you ever manage to have kids, please refrain from teaching them anything.  Do us all a favor and let people who actually have a clue do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being stupid to prove your point merely proves you are stupid.sharing music ! = sharing toys.Your inability to comprehend this is not the failure of the industry or your parents , merely the failure of your ability to apply common sense.If you ever manage to have kids , please refrain from teaching them anything .
Do us all a favor and let people who actually have a clue do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being stupid to prove your point merely proves you are stupid.sharing music!=sharing toys.Your inability to comprehend this is not the failure of the industry or your parents, merely the failure of your ability to apply common sense.If you ever manage to have kids, please refrain from teaching them anything.
Do us all a favor and let people who actually have a clue do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781346</id>
	<title>Re:From the IRAA's point of view.</title>
	<author>gink1</author>
	<datestamp>1263582180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We own the Congress<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and Obama who is championing the super secret ACTA treaty.</p><p>Soon we will fine you to oblivion AND kick you of the net!</p><p>And your ISP will be required to spy on you and enforce copyright.</p><p>We are the RIAA - bow before your new Overlords!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We own the Congress ... and Obama who is championing the super secret ACTA treaty.Soon we will fine you to oblivion AND kick you of the net ! And your ISP will be required to spy on you and enforce copyright.We are the RIAA - bow before your new Overlords !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We own the Congress ... and Obama who is championing the super secret ACTA treaty.Soon we will fine you to oblivion AND kick you of the net!And your ISP will be required to spy on you and enforce copyright.We are the RIAA - bow before your new Overlords!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780190</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>NewYorkCountryLawyer</author>
	<datestamp>1263577680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL.

These seem to be serious allegations. I hope there's action taken this time.</p></div><p> I don't have the slightest doubt that the allegations  <br> <br>are true, and <br>can easily be proven. <br> <br> If I were a betting man, I'd be betting.....   settlement.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL .
These seem to be serious allegations .
I hope there 's action taken this time .
I do n't have the slightest doubt that the allegations are true , and can easily be proven .
If I were a betting man , I 'd be betting..... settlement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL.
These seem to be serious allegations.
I hope there's action taken this time.
I don't have the slightest doubt that the allegations   are true, and can easily be proven.
If I were a betting man, I'd be betting.....   settlement.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780314</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1263578220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's more than enough evidence that is public to make a decision. If I see someone slit the throat of someone else, I'm not going to wait until he is proven to be a murderer in a court of law to call him that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's more than enough evidence that is public to make a decision .
If I see someone slit the throat of someone else , I 'm not going to wait until he is proven to be a murderer in a court of law to call him that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's more than enough evidence that is public to make a decision.
If I see someone slit the throat of someone else, I'm not going to wait until he is proven to be a murderer in a court of law to call him that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30790352</id>
	<title>Re:Why not pass along cost savings?</title>
	<author>MacWiz</author>
	<datestamp>1263658020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.</i></p><p>Even if that factor remained constant, the savings in distribution are more significant -- No factory, wages or raw materials for duplication, no packaging, no shipping costs, no returns. And they still get to deduct from the artists' royalties for returns and packaging, as far as I know.</p><p>And it's not so much what any label did, it's that they got together to create all of the "joint ventures" which not only allow them to collude, but make it completely unavoidable in order to run the company. As soon as Warner joins in, Vevo will be another one of those.</p><p>I think the biggest problem is the total absence of competition. They think they're competing with iTunes and e-music, two of the largest digital retailers -- because neither will let the labels dictate the retail price.</p><p>But before we cheer too loudly over this, keep in mind that the DOJ is still top-heavy with RIAA attorneys. On the other hand, a) this is the umpteenth time the RIAA has gotten busted for price fixing and b) New York's Attorney General has the evidence this time instead of the FTC.</p><p>All in all, this looks promising. However, the RIAA has always behaved as if antitrust laws do not apply to it -- that's usually when they point out that they're foreign-owned. Usually they get away with it. If not, it's settled out of court with no admission of guilt. This pre-empts future cases from pointing back at their repeated violations -- technically, there are none.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.Even if that factor remained constant , the savings in distribution are more significant -- No factory , wages or raw materials for duplication , no packaging , no shipping costs , no returns .
And they still get to deduct from the artists ' royalties for returns and packaging , as far as I know.And it 's not so much what any label did , it 's that they got together to create all of the " joint ventures " which not only allow them to collude , but make it completely unavoidable in order to run the company .
As soon as Warner joins in , Vevo will be another one of those.I think the biggest problem is the total absence of competition .
They think they 're competing with iTunes and e-music , two of the largest digital retailers -- because neither will let the labels dictate the retail price.But before we cheer too loudly over this , keep in mind that the DOJ is still top-heavy with RIAA attorneys .
On the other hand , a ) this is the umpteenth time the RIAA has gotten busted for price fixing and b ) New York 's Attorney General has the evidence this time instead of the FTC.All in all , this looks promising .
However , the RIAA has always behaved as if antitrust laws do not apply to it -- that 's usually when they point out that they 're foreign-owned .
Usually they get away with it .
If not , it 's settled out of court with no admission of guilt .
This pre-empts future cases from pointing back at their repeated violations -- technically , there are none .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.Even if that factor remained constant, the savings in distribution are more significant -- No factory, wages or raw materials for duplication, no packaging, no shipping costs, no returns.
And they still get to deduct from the artists' royalties for returns and packaging, as far as I know.And it's not so much what any label did, it's that they got together to create all of the "joint ventures" which not only allow them to collude, but make it completely unavoidable in order to run the company.
As soon as Warner joins in, Vevo will be another one of those.I think the biggest problem is the total absence of competition.
They think they're competing with iTunes and e-music, two of the largest digital retailers -- because neither will let the labels dictate the retail price.But before we cheer too loudly over this, keep in mind that the DOJ is still top-heavy with RIAA attorneys.
On the other hand, a) this is the umpteenth time the RIAA has gotten busted for price fixing and b) New York's Attorney General has the evidence this time instead of the FTC.All in all, this looks promising.
However, the RIAA has always behaved as if antitrust laws do not apply to it -- that's usually when they point out that they're foreign-owned.
Usually they get away with it.
If not, it's settled out of court with no admission of guilt.
This pre-empts future cases from pointing back at their repeated violations -- technically, there are none.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778372</id>
	<title>Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263568140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL.</p><p>These seem to be serious allegations.  I hope there's action taken this time.</p><p>These deserve to be kept in mind:<br><a href="http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/" title="salon.com">http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/</a> [salon.com] (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)<br><a href="http://www.negativland.com/albini.html" title="negativland.com">http://www.negativland.com/albini.html</a> [negativland.com] (The Problem with Music, by Producer Steve Albini - great insight into the process of Major Label music)</p><p>This is why we should care.  I know that it's clich&#233;d, but these companies care nothing about you, or about music, or about the well-being of the world in which they operate.  They are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL.These seem to be serious allegations .
I hope there 's action taken this time.These deserve to be kept in mind : http : //archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ [ salon.com ] ( Courtney Love Does the Math , from 2000 - looking at it now , oddly prophetic ) http : //www.negativland.com/albini.html [ negativland.com ] ( The Problem with Music , by Producer Steve Albini - great insight into the process of Major Label music ) This is why we should care .
I know that it 's clich   d , but these companies care nothing about you , or about music , or about the well-being of the world in which they operate .
They are wholly evil , in a way that almost no other business is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for keeping us in the loop NYCL.These seem to be serious allegations.
I hope there's action taken this time.These deserve to be kept in mind:http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ [salon.com] (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)http://www.negativland.com/albini.html [negativland.com] (The Problem with Music, by Producer Steve Albini - great insight into the process of Major Label music)This is why we should care.
I know that it's clichéd, but these companies care nothing about you, or about music, or about the well-being of the world in which they operate.
They are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779598</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>icannotthinkofaname</author>
	<datestamp>1263574680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you're 5: "Sharing is a nice thing to do, kids.  Don't be selfish!  Hoarding your stuff makes you look like a huge jerk."</p><p>When you're 25: "Sharing is an evil thing to do, citizen.  It's not selfish!  Letting other people use your stuff is illegal because it means I make less money.  Pay no attention to the fact that my salary is an order of magnitude higher than yours!"</p><p>WTF world!  If sharing is evil, don't tell me when I'm 5 that it's nice!</p><p>If I ever manage to have kids, I want to raise them to believe that sharing is evil.  I will then note other people's reactions to the idea.  If people are generally shocked and appalled that people could actually believe this, then I will use that as an argument to show why this BS that the RIAA believes in must be outlawed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you 're 5 : " Sharing is a nice thing to do , kids .
Do n't be selfish !
Hoarding your stuff makes you look like a huge jerk .
" When you 're 25 : " Sharing is an evil thing to do , citizen .
It 's not selfish !
Letting other people use your stuff is illegal because it means I make less money .
Pay no attention to the fact that my salary is an order of magnitude higher than yours !
" WTF world !
If sharing is evil , do n't tell me when I 'm 5 that it 's nice ! If I ever manage to have kids , I want to raise them to believe that sharing is evil .
I will then note other people 's reactions to the idea .
If people are generally shocked and appalled that people could actually believe this , then I will use that as an argument to show why this BS that the RIAA believes in must be outlawed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you're 5: "Sharing is a nice thing to do, kids.
Don't be selfish!
Hoarding your stuff makes you look like a huge jerk.
"When you're 25: "Sharing is an evil thing to do, citizen.
It's not selfish!
Letting other people use your stuff is illegal because it means I make less money.
Pay no attention to the fact that my salary is an order of magnitude higher than yours!
"WTF world!
If sharing is evil, don't tell me when I'm 5 that it's nice!If I ever manage to have kids, I want to raise them to believe that sharing is evil.
I will then note other people's reactions to the idea.
If people are generally shocked and appalled that people could actually believe this, then I will use that as an argument to show why this BS that the RIAA believes in must be outlawed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781394</id>
	<title>Re:Why not pass along cost savings?</title>
	<author>Phairdon</author>
	<datestamp>1263582360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases? Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.</p></div><p>This reminded me of a commercial I saw over 10 years ago. It was a guy in a corporation staring at a bottle of olives, trying to figure out how to save money for the company. He runs into his boss's (bosses?) office and tells him that if they just remove 1 olive from each bottle, it will save them such and such millions of dollars.</p><p>So they lowered the quantity of olives that you would buy in the bottle, but kept the sale price the same.</p><p>That's what almost every single company does. When cost goes down, it's just profit for them.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why does n't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases ?
Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.This reminded me of a commercial I saw over 10 years ago .
It was a guy in a corporation staring at a bottle of olives , trying to figure out how to save money for the company .
He runs into his boss 's ( bosses ?
) office and tells him that if they just remove 1 olive from each bottle , it will save them such and such millions of dollars.So they lowered the quantity of olives that you would buy in the bottle , but kept the sale price the same.That 's what almost every single company does .
When cost goes down , it 's just profit for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases?
Look at how much it cost to record an album in 1980 vs. now.This reminded me of a commercial I saw over 10 years ago.
It was a guy in a corporation staring at a bottle of olives, trying to figure out how to save money for the company.
He runs into his boss's (bosses?
) office and tells him that if they just remove 1 olive from each bottle, it will save them such and such millions of dollars.So they lowered the quantity of olives that you would buy in the bottle, but kept the sale price the same.That's what almost every single company does.
When cost goes down, it's just profit for them.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781994</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263584760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Action taken can be the investigation that proves or disproves, unfortunately these bastards have friends like Orrin Hatch that will whitewash for them with no investigation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Action taken can be the investigation that proves or disproves , unfortunately these bastards have friends like Orrin Hatch that will whitewash for them with no investigation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Action taken can be the investigation that proves or disproves, unfortunately these bastards have friends like Orrin Hatch that will whitewash for them with no investigation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778150</id>
	<title>MFN?</title>
	<author>orta</author>
	<datestamp>1263566820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its not exactly most favored nation, if there's no advantage to being so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not exactly most favored nation , if there 's no advantage to being so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not exactly most favored nation, if there's no advantage to being so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30782446</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1263586740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When you "buy" music you are buying a license to use that music in a limited fashion.</p></div><p>
Really? I don't remember signing any license agreements when I purchased my last CD. I don't recall signing any license agreements before entering the local venue for a show. I also don't recall signing any license agreements when I e-mailed my favorite bands and asked for a burned copy of their singles that I couldn't find on albums.
<br> <br>
In fact, I would assert that I don't license a damn thing when I access music. I purchase it. I purchase the physical media. I purchase the song. I purchase the album artwork. If I am buyging music, (ie giving money to someone else in exchange for something I can listen to) that is my copy of the damn music. If I decide to burn that copy to my computer so that I can recut the cd after I scratch it, that's my right, because it is my damn copy.
<br> <br>
Or are you saying that when I buy my jeans from Wal-Mart I am licensing those too? What about buying my tools at Sears, did I license those? What about my DVD player? Come to think of it, have I just been shopping at a Rent-A-Center my whole life and not realized it? Bullshit.</p></div>
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<tokenext>When you " buy " music you are buying a license to use that music in a limited fashion .
Really ? I do n't remember signing any license agreements when I purchased my last CD .
I do n't recall signing any license agreements before entering the local venue for a show .
I also do n't recall signing any license agreements when I e-mailed my favorite bands and asked for a burned copy of their singles that I could n't find on albums .
In fact , I would assert that I do n't license a damn thing when I access music .
I purchase it .
I purchase the physical media .
I purchase the song .
I purchase the album artwork .
If I am buyging music , ( ie giving money to someone else in exchange for something I can listen to ) that is my copy of the damn music .
If I decide to burn that copy to my computer so that I can recut the cd after I scratch it , that 's my right , because it is my damn copy .
Or are you saying that when I buy my jeans from Wal-Mart I am licensing those too ?
What about buying my tools at Sears , did I license those ?
What about my DVD player ?
Come to think of it , have I just been shopping at a Rent-A-Center my whole life and not realized it ?
Bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you "buy" music you are buying a license to use that music in a limited fashion.
Really? I don't remember signing any license agreements when I purchased my last CD.
I don't recall signing any license agreements before entering the local venue for a show.
I also don't recall signing any license agreements when I e-mailed my favorite bands and asked for a burned copy of their singles that I couldn't find on albums.
In fact, I would assert that I don't license a damn thing when I access music.
I purchase it.
I purchase the physical media.
I purchase the song.
I purchase the album artwork.
If I am buyging music, (ie giving money to someone else in exchange for something I can listen to) that is my copy of the damn music.
If I decide to burn that copy to my computer so that I can recut the cd after I scratch it, that's my right, because it is my damn copy.
Or are you saying that when I buy my jeans from Wal-Mart I am licensing those too?
What about buying my tools at Sears, did I license those?
What about my DVD player?
Come to think of it, have I just been shopping at a Rent-A-Center my whole life and not realized it?
Bullshit.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779280</id>
	<title>Re:Why not pass along cost savings?</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1263573120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only reason it cost so much in 1980 is that the studios were owned and staffed by the record companies resulting in ridiculously inflated prices to take advantage of naive musicians. Doing it yourself has never cost the fortune they charge, it's just pointless trying to compete on their turf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason it cost so much in 1980 is that the studios were owned and staffed by the record companies resulting in ridiculously inflated prices to take advantage of naive musicians .
Doing it yourself has never cost the fortune they charge , it 's just pointless trying to compete on their turf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason it cost so much in 1980 is that the studios were owned and staffed by the record companies resulting in ridiculously inflated prices to take advantage of naive musicians.
Doing it yourself has never cost the fortune they charge, it's just pointless trying to compete on their turf.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779878</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1263576240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am officially quitting my job today. I am in the wrong line of work and am fixing that starting now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am officially quitting my job today .
I am in the wrong line of work and am fixing that starting now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am officially quitting my job today.
I am in the wrong line of work and am fixing that starting now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30784938</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know any truly independent labels?</title>
	<author>Trev311</author>
	<datestamp>1263554700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>&lt;quote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers, and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music. The question is, are there any independent labels right now? I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels' are really owned by the big music publishers, who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets, or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone know of any labels which really, truly, are independent, with which bands and music lovers might do business?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/quote&gt;<br><br>riaaradar.com might be of some use to you. It will give you if a particular album was released by a label associated with the RIAA. They have a disputes page too which will help for questionable labels.<br><br>Other than that, Dischord (started by Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat and Fugazi fame) and Ipecac (started by Mike Patton of Faith No More and Tomahawk fame) both come to mind as "independent". They might have some distribution deal, but other than that I don't know of either having any ownership ties to the "major" labels</tt></div>
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<tokenext>It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel ' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers , and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music .
The question is , are there any independent labels right now ?
I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels ' are really owned by the big music publishers , who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets , or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.Anyone know of any labels which really , truly , are independent , with which bands and music lovers might do business ? riaaradar.com might be of some use to you .
It will give you if a particular album was released by a label associated with the RIAA .
They have a disputes page too which will help for questionable labels.Other than that , Dischord ( started by Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat and Fugazi fame ) and Ipecac ( started by Mike Patton of Faith No More and Tomahawk fame ) both come to mind as " independent " .
They might have some distribution deal , but other than that I do n't know of either having any ownership ties to the " major " labels</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It occurs to me that all it takes to break up a 'cartel' like this is one or two successful publishers who are not owned or controlled in any way by the existing publishers, and that such independent publishers are willing to really compete with the other labels to sign talent and publish music.
The question is, are there any independent labels right now?
I remember seeing a chart sometime ago which showed how a lot of 'independent labels' are really owned by the big music publishers, who just use those other labels to either serve niche markets, or create the illusion of having alternatives to dealing with them.Anyone know of any labels which really, truly, are independent, with which bands and music lovers might do business?riaaradar.com might be of some use to you.
It will give you if a particular album was released by a label associated with the RIAA.
They have a disputes page too which will help for questionable labels.Other than that, Dischord (started by Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat and Fugazi fame) and Ipecac (started by Mike Patton of Faith No More and Tomahawk fame) both come to mind as "independent".
They might have some distribution deal, but other than that I don't know of either having any ownership ties to the "major" labels
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778590</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>ByOhTek</author>
	<datestamp>1263569280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point about boogy men is they aren't supposed to be real, that way once the kids get old enough, they don't have to live their lives in fear.</p><p>Obviously the **AA groups are not suitable for this, because they are real!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point about boogy men is they are n't supposed to be real , that way once the kids get old enough , they do n't have to live their lives in fear.Obviously the * * AA groups are not suitable for this , because they are real !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point about boogy men is they aren't supposed to be real, that way once the kids get old enough, they don't have to live their lives in fear.Obviously the **AA groups are not suitable for this, because they are real!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779466</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Croakus</author>
	<datestamp>1263574080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One word.  Monsanto.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One word .
Monsanto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One word.
Monsanto.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778230</id>
	<title>What about my stress level</title>
	<author>colin\_n</author>
	<datestamp>1263567240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who is going to compensate me for my increased stress level from living in fear of being sued by the RIAA? If I had kids and I wanted them to behave, I'd just tell them stories about the RIAA coming to get them and financially ruin them.</p><p>Don't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.<br>Eat your vegetables so you can be strong to fight the riaa.</p><p>Seriously though, I hate those guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is going to compensate me for my increased stress level from living in fear of being sued by the RIAA ?
If I had kids and I wanted them to behave , I 'd just tell them stories about the RIAA coming to get them and financially ruin them.Do n't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.Eat your vegetables so you can be strong to fight the riaa.Seriously though , I hate those guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is going to compensate me for my increased stress level from living in fear of being sued by the RIAA?
If I had kids and I wanted them to behave, I'd just tell them stories about the RIAA coming to get them and financially ruin them.Don't jaywalk kids because the RIAA will come get you.Eat your vegetables so you can be strong to fight the riaa.Seriously though, I hate those guys.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30782688</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA has stopped Sueing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263587880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>he RIAA announced that they were terminating their practices of filing hundreds of civil lawsuits [google.com] so your jaywalking children should be okay.</p> </div><p>And then they proceeded to continue filing lawsuits like they never said that: <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/hypocrisy-or-necessity-riaa-continues-filing-lawsuits.ars" title="arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/hypocrisy-or-necessity-riaa-continues-filing-lawsuits.ars</a> [arstechnica.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>he RIAA announced that they were terminating their practices of filing hundreds of civil lawsuits [ google.com ] so your jaywalking children should be okay .
And then they proceeded to continue filing lawsuits like they never said that : http : //arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/hypocrisy-or-necessity-riaa-continues-filing-lawsuits.ars [ arstechnica.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>he RIAA announced that they were terminating their practices of filing hundreds of civil lawsuits [google.com] so your jaywalking children should be okay.
And then they proceeded to continue filing lawsuits like they never said that: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/hypocrisy-or-necessity-riaa-continues-filing-lawsuits.ars [arstechnica.com]
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778940</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>bratloaf</author>
	<datestamp>1263571080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, how did I not see that Courtney Love letter before. From 2000! I think I just gained a pile of respect for her, that was quite forward looking for 10 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , how did I not see that Courtney Love letter before .
From 2000 !
I think I just gained a pile of respect for her , that was quite forward looking for 10 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, how did I not see that Courtney Love letter before.
From 2000!
I think I just gained a pile of respect for her, that was quite forward looking for 10 years ago.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781674</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>rcharbon</author>
	<datestamp>1263583500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The industry types wanted the rock star lifestyle without, y'know, the need to actually learn music or have any artistic talent.  Unfortunately, they had all the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The industry types wanted the rock star lifestyle without , y'know , the need to actually learn music or have any artistic talent .
Unfortunately , they had all the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The industry types wanted the rock star lifestyle without, y'know, the need to actually learn music or have any artistic talent.
Unfortunately, they had all the money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30785266</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1263556500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>These seem to be serious allegations. I hope there's action taken this time.</i> </p><p>You mean you hope there's action taken <b>if they are proven to be true</b>, right?</p><p>Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.</p></div><p>No. The mere existence of an association of so-called "competitors", like the RIAA, should be very worrying to anyone who wants a free, competitive market.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>These seem to be serious allegations .
I hope there 's action taken this time .
You mean you hope there 's action taken if they are proven to be true , right ? Due process applies to everyone , not just the people we like.No .
The mere existence of an association of so-called " competitors " , like the RIAA , should be very worrying to anyone who wants a free , competitive market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> These seem to be serious allegations.
I hope there's action taken this time.
You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.No.
The mere existence of an association of so-called "competitors", like the RIAA, should be very worrying to anyone who wants a free, competitive market.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781418</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1263582420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?</p><p>Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.</p></div><p>Wait, when did our hopes have to include due process?  Does this mean I can no longer hope that certain American citizens who annoy me on a daily basis get tortured for all eternity by the devil himself?  Can I still hope it if I also hope they go through a sham trial in some south american junta first and are convicted on grounds of "being fucking annoying?"</p><p>I'm a little unclear as to how the extradition would work there...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean you hope there 's action taken if they are proven to be true , right ? Due process applies to everyone , not just the people we like.Wait , when did our hopes have to include due process ?
Does this mean I can no longer hope that certain American citizens who annoy me on a daily basis get tortured for all eternity by the devil himself ?
Can I still hope it if I also hope they go through a sham trial in some south american junta first and are convicted on grounds of " being fucking annoying ?
" I 'm a little unclear as to how the extradition would work there.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.Wait, when did our hopes have to include due process?
Does this mean I can no longer hope that certain American citizens who annoy me on a daily basis get tortured for all eternity by the devil himself?
Can I still hope it if I also hope they go through a sham trial in some south american junta first and are convicted on grounds of "being fucking annoying?
"I'm a little unclear as to how the extradition would work there...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779054</id>
	<title>Frist 4soT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the channel to sign Ca8 connect to</htmltext>
<tokenext>the channel to sign Ca8 connect to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the channel to sign Ca8 connect to</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778672</id>
	<title>Price fixing on CDs</title>
	<author>locallyunscene</author>
	<datestamp>1263569640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they're finally calling them on the price fixing of CDs?
<br> <br>
I wonder if Hollywood Accounting could save them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they 're finally calling them on the price fixing of CDs ?
I wonder if Hollywood Accounting could save them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they're finally calling them on the price fixing of CDs?
I wonder if Hollywood Accounting could save them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779104</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>shaka</author>
	<datestamp>1263571980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This! Kudos to Ray Beckerman for your tireless work, and everybody:</p><p>Read Courtney Love's article! It's an amazing read!</p><p><div class="quote"><p> <a href="http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/" title="salon.com">http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/</a> [salon.com] (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This !
Kudos to Ray Beckerman for your tireless work , and everybody : Read Courtney Love 's article !
It 's an amazing read !
http : //archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ [ salon.com ] ( Courtney Love Does the Math , from 2000 - looking at it now , oddly prophetic )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This!
Kudos to Ray Beckerman for your tireless work, and everybody:Read Courtney Love's article!
It's an amazing read!
http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/ [salon.com] (Courtney Love Does the Math, from 2000 - looking at it now, oddly prophetic)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779158</id>
	<title>How Will Judgements be Paid?</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1263572340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for bringing this to our attention NYC, but if you'll excuse the pun, we've heard this tune before. Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution, but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to "pay" by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice (i.e. their choice of the worst selling items) while valuing them, for the purposes of the settlement, at "full retail" (even though almost none of them actually sell at that price in the real world). What will prevent them from offering an equally "useless" settlement payment, as they have been allowed to do in the past, again this time?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for bringing this to our attention NYC , but if you 'll excuse the pun , we 've heard this tune before .
Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution , but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to " pay " by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice ( i.e .
their choice of the worst selling items ) while valuing them , for the purposes of the settlement , at " full retail " ( even though almost none of them actually sell at that price in the real world ) .
What will prevent them from offering an equally " useless " settlement payment , as they have been allowed to do in the past , again this time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for bringing this to our attention NYC, but if you'll excuse the pun, we've heard this tune before.
Suppose that the RIAA loses and is ordered to pay restitution, but instead of cash the court allows the RIAA and its members to "pay" by donating a selection of CDs or downloads of their choice (i.e.
their choice of the worst selling items) while valuing them, for the purposes of the settlement, at "full retail" (even though almost none of them actually sell at that price in the real world).
What will prevent them from offering an equally "useless" settlement payment, as they have been allowed to do in the past, again this time?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779264</id>
	<title>Wonder if the 6 billion lawsuit will be mentioned</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263573060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that is the fact that the canadian arm of the R.I.A.A. up here called the CRIA hasnt paid 300,000 artists since 1980.</p><p>BOY oh boy thats a bomb to say in court eh?<br>if they are commercially pirating up in canada , are they doing it in the USA and other countries and does that mean that record breaking profit year really mean profit to the riaa OR is it fraudulently stolen monies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that is the fact that the canadian arm of the R.I.A.A .
up here called the CRIA hasnt paid 300,000 artists since 1980.BOY oh boy thats a bomb to say in court eh ? if they are commercially pirating up in canada , are they doing it in the USA and other countries and does that mean that record breaking profit year really mean profit to the riaa OR is it fraudulently stolen monies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that is the fact that the canadian arm of the R.I.A.A.
up here called the CRIA hasnt paid 300,000 artists since 1980.BOY oh boy thats a bomb to say in court eh?if they are commercially pirating up in canada , are they doing it in the USA and other countries and does that mean that record breaking profit year really mean profit to the riaa OR is it fraudulently stolen monies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780262</id>
	<title>cartel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263577980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering you can probably make a duplicate copy and deliver it for like a penny or so, some very small figure like that, plus the lock step price increases, this shows blatant price gouging plus cartel collusion to maintain universal high level price gouging for digital "products".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering you can probably make a duplicate copy and deliver it for like a penny or so , some very small figure like that , plus the lock step price increases , this shows blatant price gouging plus cartel collusion to maintain universal high level price gouging for digital " products " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering you can probably make a duplicate copy and deliver it for like a penny or so, some very small figure like that, plus the lock step price increases, this shows blatant price gouging plus cartel collusion to maintain universal high level price gouging for digital "products".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778768</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>DJRumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1263570060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wasn't aware of the Courtney Love letter. That was an amazing read (many thanks). That begs the second question. Why haven't I heard of this letter before? The RIAA is an evil beyond typical corporate scams and money making. They have fingers in world wide political pies, and money to literally burn. The fact that a single group can exert so much power in political circles should be a huge wake up call to everyone, yet year by year goes by and only the 'geeks' and those affected voice their concerns. I think what's even more frightening is that they now do these things opening for the most part, and again no one pays attention.</p><p>Slavery was abolished in the US, yet I don't see how these contracts differ in any significant way from slavery and servitude.</p><p>Why is this allowed to go on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was n't aware of the Courtney Love letter .
That was an amazing read ( many thanks ) .
That begs the second question .
Why have n't I heard of this letter before ?
The RIAA is an evil beyond typical corporate scams and money making .
They have fingers in world wide political pies , and money to literally burn .
The fact that a single group can exert so much power in political circles should be a huge wake up call to everyone , yet year by year goes by and only the 'geeks ' and those affected voice their concerns .
I think what 's even more frightening is that they now do these things opening for the most part , and again no one pays attention.Slavery was abolished in the US , yet I do n't see how these contracts differ in any significant way from slavery and servitude.Why is this allowed to go on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wasn't aware of the Courtney Love letter.
That was an amazing read (many thanks).
That begs the second question.
Why haven't I heard of this letter before?
The RIAA is an evil beyond typical corporate scams and money making.
They have fingers in world wide political pies, and money to literally burn.
The fact that a single group can exert so much power in political circles should be a huge wake up call to everyone, yet year by year goes by and only the 'geeks' and those affected voice their concerns.
I think what's even more frightening is that they now do these things opening for the most part, and again no one pays attention.Slavery was abolished in the US, yet I don't see how these contracts differ in any significant way from slavery and servitude.Why is this allowed to go on?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779536</id>
	<title>The REAL pdf link</title>
	<author>ansak</author>
	<datestamp>1263574380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The link in the article points to a framed view of the PDF. The PDF itself is <a href="http://beckermanlegal.com/Lawyer\_Copyright\_Internet\_Law/starr\_sony\_100113Opinion.pdf" title="beckermanlegal.com">here</a> [beckermanlegal.com].

Let's post bare links please?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...ank</htmltext>
<tokenext>The link in the article points to a framed view of the PDF .
The PDF itself is here [ beckermanlegal.com ] .
Let 's post bare links please ?
...ank</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The link in the article points to a framed view of the PDF.
The PDF itself is here [beckermanlegal.com].
Let's post bare links please?
...ank</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779086</id>
	<title>rightly named clause</title>
	<author>slashdime</author>
	<datestamp>1263571920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screw these MF's and their MFN's!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw these MF 's and their MFN 's !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw these MF's and their MFN's!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778908</id>
	<title>Why was I modded Troll?</title>
	<author>rwv</author>
	<datestamp>1263570840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<p>I don't support the RIAA, but I also don't support anti-RIAA propaganda that I don't understand.  The summary was not as clear about why this trial represents the evil motives of the RIAA.  I simply asked for clarification of this fact from somebody who might be more knowledgeable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't support the RIAA , but I also do n't support anti-RIAA propaganda that I do n't understand .
The summary was not as clear about why this trial represents the evil motives of the RIAA .
I simply asked for clarification of this fact from somebody who might be more knowledgeable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I don't support the RIAA, but I also don't support anti-RIAA propaganda that I don't understand.
The summary was not as clear about why this trial represents the evil motives of the RIAA.
I simply asked for clarification of this fact from somebody who might be more knowledgeable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780668</id>
	<title>Re:Why not pass along cost savings?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263579600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases?</p></div><p>It did.  Unfortunately the decrease was offset by the increase in legal fees due to all of the lawsuits they have to file to try to keep you from stealing their shit.  Hey, they have to pass along the costs, don't they?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does n't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases ? It did .
Unfortunately the decrease was offset by the increase in legal fees due to all of the lawsuits they have to file to try to keep you from stealing their shit .
Hey , they have to pass along the costs , do n't they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't it decrease as the cost of producing music decreases?It did.
Unfortunately the decrease was offset by the increase in legal fees due to all of the lawsuits they have to file to try to keep you from stealing their shit.
Hey, they have to pass along the costs, don't they?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779076</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"hey are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is."?</p><p>I beg to differ. One word "Monsanto". You think excessive intellectual property entitlements and DRM harm the public good of our shared culture?</p><p>Imagine DRM on the global food supply.<br>Imagine feeding poison to billions for profit and hiding the evidence.<br>Imagine being sued because the contents of your genetic material infringe on their IP.<br>Congratulations, your imagination is now up to speed with reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" hey are wholly evil , in a way that almost no other business is .
" ? I beg to differ .
One word " Monsanto " .
You think excessive intellectual property entitlements and DRM harm the public good of our shared culture ? Imagine DRM on the global food supply.Imagine feeding poison to billions for profit and hiding the evidence.Imagine being sued because the contents of your genetic material infringe on their IP.Congratulations , your imagination is now up to speed with reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"hey are wholly evil, in a way that almost no other business is.
"?I beg to differ.
One word "Monsanto".
You think excessive intellectual property entitlements and DRM harm the public good of our shared culture?Imagine DRM on the global food supply.Imagine feeding poison to billions for profit and hiding the evidence.Imagine being sued because the contents of your genetic material infringe on their IP.Congratulations, your imagination is now up to speed with reality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30780568</id>
	<title>Re:Why was I modded Troll?</title>
	<author>Dr\_Art</author>
	<datestamp>1263579180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary was entirely factual, and didn't contain any "anti-RIAA propaganda".  Your quote was for a reader comment, not from the original summary.
<br> <br>
Read the Starr vs Sony decision linked in the summary and you'll discover that the appeals judges found the evidence is strong that RIAA members have been colluding using illegal (under antitrust law) methods such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price\_fixing" title="wikipedia.org">price fixing</a> [wikipedia.org].  E.g., they ask why RIAA members raised the wholesale price from $0.65/song to $0.70/song while the second largest distributor of music, eMusic, was wholesaling at $0.25/song.  In the stereotypical "normal free market", competition as well as decreased production costs would lead to lower prices.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary was entirely factual , and did n't contain any " anti-RIAA propaganda " .
Your quote was for a reader comment , not from the original summary .
Read the Starr vs Sony decision linked in the summary and you 'll discover that the appeals judges found the evidence is strong that RIAA members have been colluding using illegal ( under antitrust law ) methods such as price fixing [ wikipedia.org ] .
E.g. , they ask why RIAA members raised the wholesale price from $ 0.65/song to $ 0.70/song while the second largest distributor of music , eMusic , was wholesaling at $ 0.25/song .
In the stereotypical " normal free market " , competition as well as decreased production costs would lead to lower prices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary was entirely factual, and didn't contain any "anti-RIAA propaganda".
Your quote was for a reader comment, not from the original summary.
Read the Starr vs Sony decision linked in the summary and you'll discover that the appeals judges found the evidence is strong that RIAA members have been colluding using illegal (under antitrust law) methods such as price fixing [wikipedia.org].
E.g., they ask why RIAA members raised the wholesale price from $0.65/song to $0.70/song while the second largest distributor of music, eMusic, was wholesaling at $0.25/song.
In the stereotypical "normal free market", competition as well as decreased production costs would lead to lower prices.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30778588</id>
	<title>Interesting Points</title>
	<author>Tisha\_AH</author>
	<datestamp>1263569220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is interesting to read the opinion. Conspiracy to fix prices, agreements to not compete against each other, all record companies refusing to do any business with certain companies.</p><p>They are acting like a monopoly. This is what led to the breakup of Standard Oil back in the early part of the 20th century and the breakup of the Bell System into Baby Bells.</p><p>This most favored nation (MFN) deal they have going and how all prices change in lockstep.</p><p>Wow, it reminds me of how they eventually caught Al Capone. Not on running a crime syndicate but on tax evasion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is interesting to read the opinion .
Conspiracy to fix prices , agreements to not compete against each other , all record companies refusing to do any business with certain companies.They are acting like a monopoly .
This is what led to the breakup of Standard Oil back in the early part of the 20th century and the breakup of the Bell System into Baby Bells.This most favored nation ( MFN ) deal they have going and how all prices change in lockstep.Wow , it reminds me of how they eventually caught Al Capone .
Not on running a crime syndicate but on tax evasion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is interesting to read the opinion.
Conspiracy to fix prices, agreements to not compete against each other, all record companies refusing to do any business with certain companies.They are acting like a monopoly.
This is what led to the breakup of Standard Oil back in the early part of the 20th century and the breakup of the Bell System into Baby Bells.This most favored nation (MFN) deal they have going and how all prices change in lockstep.Wow, it reminds me of how they eventually caught Al Capone.
Not on running a crime syndicate but on tax evasion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781112</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1263581340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Action taken as in "people actually acting on the allegation and investigating it".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Action taken as in " people actually acting on the allegation and investigating it " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Action taken as in "people actually acting on the allegation and investigating it".</sentencetext>
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	<title>From the IRAA's point of view.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263569640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as someone who's very close to the RiAA this is what I have to say:</p><p>You people have no chance! We own the Congress, we have more lawyers and eventually, NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it's only a matter of time.</p><p>You little thieves just need to stop stealing our music! </p><p> We now have factories in Malaysia, Indonesia, and Africa that produce music - all run by small children that are paid with barely enough food to live. We just hire good looking people to lip synch in videos and "live" shows. And then when they can't work anymore, we sell the little girls into prostitution and the boys are then trained to be our stormtroopers.</p><p>So just shut up! I have to go. My stupid idiotic maid made my afternoon cocktail with the blood of kittens when I especially ordered her to make it with the blood of puppies!</p><p>Courtney!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as someone who 's very close to the RiAA this is what I have to say : You people have no chance !
We own the Congress , we have more lawyers and eventually , NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it 's only a matter of time.You little thieves just need to stop stealing our music !
We now have factories in Malaysia , Indonesia , and Africa that produce music - all run by small children that are paid with barely enough food to live .
We just hire good looking people to lip synch in videos and " live " shows .
And then when they ca n't work anymore , we sell the little girls into prostitution and the boys are then trained to be our stormtroopers.So just shut up !
I have to go .
My stupid idiotic maid made my afternoon cocktail with the blood of kittens when I especially ordered her to make it with the blood of puppies ! Courtney !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as someone who's very close to the RiAA this is what I have to say:You people have no chance!
We own the Congress, we have more lawyers and eventually, NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it's only a matter of time.You little thieves just need to stop stealing our music!
We now have factories in Malaysia, Indonesia, and Africa that produce music - all run by small children that are paid with barely enough food to live.
We just hire good looking people to lip synch in videos and "live" shows.
And then when they can't work anymore, we sell the little girls into prostitution and the boys are then trained to be our stormtroopers.So just shut up!
I have to go.
My stupid idiotic maid made my afternoon cocktail with the blood of kittens when I especially ordered her to make it with the blood of puppies!Courtney!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779674</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>Croakus</author>
	<datestamp>1263575160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So your opinion is based on a ten year old letter from a rich pop star who suffers from clinical depression and heroin addiction?</p><p>I did read it BTW  I&rsquo;m not impressed.  She rambles aimlessly from one point to another and doesn&rsquo;t seem to realize she&rsquo;s contradicting herself.  She says that she would be the first person to file a lawsuit against Napster for infringing her Copyright, then she says that illegal distribution is helping her sell more albums<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... huh?</p><p>Not that I&rsquo;m disagreeing with your point.  Lots of artists sign stupid contracts, and I agree that the record companies should be taken to task for offering those contracts.  They do in fact take advantage of young artists and their naive dreams.  Record companies do in fact often operate as con men.</p><p>So I agree with your fundamental point  but</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So your opinion is based on a ten year old letter from a rich pop star who suffers from clinical depression and heroin addiction ? I did read it BTW I    m not impressed .
She rambles aimlessly from one point to another and doesn    t seem to realize she    s contradicting herself .
She says that she would be the first person to file a lawsuit against Napster for infringing her Copyright , then she says that illegal distribution is helping her sell more albums ... huh ? Not that I    m disagreeing with your point .
Lots of artists sign stupid contracts , and I agree that the record companies should be taken to task for offering those contracts .
They do in fact take advantage of young artists and their naive dreams .
Record companies do in fact often operate as con men.So I agree with your fundamental point but</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So your opinion is based on a ten year old letter from a rich pop star who suffers from clinical depression and heroin addiction?I did read it BTW  I’m not impressed.
She rambles aimlessly from one point to another and doesn’t seem to realize she’s contradicting herself.
She says that she would be the first person to file a lawsuit against Napster for infringing her Copyright, then she says that illegal distribution is helping her sell more albums ... huh?Not that I’m disagreeing with your point.
Lots of artists sign stupid contracts, and I agree that the record companies should be taken to task for offering those contracts.
They do in fact take advantage of young artists and their naive dreams.
Record companies do in fact often operate as con men.So I agree with your fundamental point  but</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30782682</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>BobMcD</author>
	<datestamp>1263587820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sharing your own toys is not evil.  "Sharing" toys that belong to someone else is.  Particularly when you have agreed not to do it.</p><p>The rest is detail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sharing your own toys is not evil .
" Sharing " toys that belong to someone else is .
Particularly when you have agreed not to do it.The rest is detail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sharing your own toys is not evil.
"Sharing" toys that belong to someone else is.
Particularly when you have agreed not to do it.The rest is detail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30782890</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks again NYCL</title>
	<author>2PAIRofACES</author>
	<datestamp>1263588660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?</p><p>Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Corporations, and therefor cartel's of corporations are legal fictions.  They deserve no more due process than Goldilocks for stealing all that porridge.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean you hope there 's action taken if they are proven to be true , right ? Due process applies to everyone , not just the people we like .
Corporations , and therefor cartel 's of corporations are legal fictions .
They deserve no more due process than Goldilocks for stealing all that porridge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean you hope there's action taken if they are proven to be true, right?Due process applies to everyone, not just the people we like.
Corporations, and therefor cartel's of corporations are legal fictions.
They deserve no more due process than Goldilocks for stealing all that porridge.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30779084</id>
	<title>What will I get?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263571860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've bought hundreds of dollars in music (mostly online) over the last 5 years.  If in fact the court rules that they have been fixing prices will I get any of that money back?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've bought hundreds of dollars in music ( mostly online ) over the last 5 years .
If in fact the court rules that they have been fixing prices will I get any of that money back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've bought hundreds of dollars in music (mostly online) over the last 5 years.
If in fact the court rules that they have been fixing prices will I get any of that money back?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30781298</id>
	<title>Re:What about my stress level</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1263581940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you teach your kids to emulate the most corrupt douchebags right from the start, may I suggest that you also teach your kids that drinking and driving or abusing prescription drugs are cool?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you teach your kids to emulate the most corrupt douchebags right from the start , may I suggest that you also teach your kids that drinking and driving or abusing prescription drugs are cool ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you teach your kids to emulate the most corrupt douchebags right from the start, may I suggest that you also teach your kids that drinking and driving or abusing prescription drugs are cool?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_15_1329200.30782060</id>
	<title>Re:From the IRAA's point of view.</title>
	<author>troll8901</author>
	<datestamp>1263585000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... eventually, NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it's only a matter of time.</p></div><p>Someone put a transponder inside NYCL and keep a lock on it at all times!  Be sure that he's accompanied by 10 bodyguards at all times, and beam him back if he's alone for more than 2 minutes.</p><p>Most importantly, make sure the bodyguards do <i>not</i> wear red!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... eventually , NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it 's only a matter of time.Someone put a transponder inside NYCL and keep a lock on it at all times !
Be sure that he 's accompanied by 10 bodyguards at all times , and beam him back if he 's alone for more than 2 minutes.Most importantly , make sure the bodyguards do not wear red !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... eventually, NYCL WILL come over to the Darkside - it's only a matter of time.Someone put a transponder inside NYCL and keep a lock on it at all times!
Be sure that he's accompanied by 10 bodyguards at all times, and beam him back if he's alone for more than 2 minutes.Most importantly, make sure the bodyguards do not wear red!
	</sentencetext>
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