<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_13_1457232</id>
	<title>Nintendo Wii To Get Netflix Streaming</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1263398040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>motang writes <i>"Netflix and Nintendo is set to announce <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/technology/companies/13netflix.html">Netflix streaming service for the Wii</a> soon. Subscribers who have the unlimited streaming service can watch non-HD version of the movies on their Wii with a special Netflix disc inserted."</i>  The thing I can't understand is why the PS3 and Wii have to require a disc.  Both are capable of downloading applications and executing them.  Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie?  Of course, my netflix queue is half-filled with Ken Burns documentaries, so if I lost the disc, I think that would just make the wife happier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>motang writes " Netflix and Nintendo is set to announce Netflix streaming service for the Wii soon .
Subscribers who have the unlimited streaming service can watch non-HD version of the movies on their Wii with a special Netflix disc inserted .
" The thing I ca n't understand is why the PS3 and Wii have to require a disc .
Both are capable of downloading applications and executing them .
Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie ?
Of course , my netflix queue is half-filled with Ken Burns documentaries , so if I lost the disc , I think that would just make the wife happier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>motang writes "Netflix and Nintendo is set to announce Netflix streaming service for the Wii soon.
Subscribers who have the unlimited streaming service can watch non-HD version of the movies on their Wii with a special Netflix disc inserted.
"  The thing I can't understand is why the PS3 and Wii have to require a disc.
Both are capable of downloading applications and executing them.
Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie?
Of course, my netflix queue is half-filled with Ken Burns documentaries, so if I lost the disc, I think that would just make the wife happier.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752990</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>Syberz</author>
	<datestamp>1263407520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The memory issue worries me as well, much memory can streaming a non-hd movie take? Also, my internets here are pretty limited in terms of bandwith so how much juice would downloading/streaming one movie per day take?</p><p>I currently get my dvd's in the mail so I'm curious if the move to digital media would be worthwhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The memory issue worries me as well , much memory can streaming a non-hd movie take ?
Also , my internets here are pretty limited in terms of bandwith so how much juice would downloading/streaming one movie per day take ? I currently get my dvd 's in the mail so I 'm curious if the move to digital media would be worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The memory issue worries me as well, much memory can streaming a non-hd movie take?
Also, my internets here are pretty limited in terms of bandwith so how much juice would downloading/streaming one movie per day take?I currently get my dvd's in the mail so I'm curious if the move to digital media would be worthwhile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751528</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263402120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except they are planning to get rid of the disc requirement later this year.  I suspect it was due to some kind of exclusivity deal with Microsoft, but who knows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they are planning to get rid of the disc requirement later this year .
I suspect it was due to some kind of exclusivity deal with Microsoft , but who knows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they are planning to get rid of the disc requirement later this year.
I suspect it was due to some kind of exclusivity deal with Microsoft, but who knows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752518</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1263406020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spot-on. I don't have the link ready, but Microsoft had an exclusive deal with Netflix for an embedded player. Something like one year or so. Of course, a disk isn't embedded, and therefore, not subject to exclusivity agreement.</p><p>What I'm wondering is the take-up and pay-out numbers. Is it really that much of a pain in the ass - and therefore take-up hurdle - that it significantly impacts utilization? Or did Microsoft just completely overpay for a very limited exclusivity, that really isn't?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spot-on .
I do n't have the link ready , but Microsoft had an exclusive deal with Netflix for an embedded player .
Something like one year or so .
Of course , a disk is n't embedded , and therefore , not subject to exclusivity agreement.What I 'm wondering is the take-up and pay-out numbers .
Is it really that much of a pain in the ass - and therefore take-up hurdle - that it significantly impacts utilization ?
Or did Microsoft just completely overpay for a very limited exclusivity , that really is n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spot-on.
I don't have the link ready, but Microsoft had an exclusive deal with Netflix for an embedded player.
Something like one year or so.
Of course, a disk isn't embedded, and therefore, not subject to exclusivity agreement.What I'm wondering is the take-up and pay-out numbers.
Is it really that much of a pain in the ass - and therefore take-up hurdle - that it significantly impacts utilization?
Or did Microsoft just completely overpay for a very limited exclusivity, that really isn't?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752168</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263404760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm willing to bet that a significant number of Wiis are not connected to televisions capable of 1080p.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm willing to bet that a significant number of Wiis are not connected to televisions capable of 1080p .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm willing to bet that a significant number of Wiis are not connected to televisions capable of 1080p.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751842</id>
	<title>Why the Disk?</title>
	<author>gearloos</author>
	<datestamp>1263403560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext> "The thing I can't understand is why the PS3 and Wii have to require a disc?" LOLZ--Let me throw a couple four letter words your way... MPAA, RIAA, SONY, theres also that the disk has DRM and that way you can't give your friend the code to use on his ps3/wii.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The thing I ca n't understand is why the PS3 and Wii have to require a disc ?
" LOLZ--Let me throw a couple four letter words your way... MPAA , RIAA , SONY , theres also that the disk has DRM and that way you ca n't give your friend the code to use on his ps3/wii .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "The thing I can't understand is why the PS3 and Wii have to require a disc?
" LOLZ--Let me throw a couple four letter words your way... MPAA, RIAA, SONY, theres also that the disk has DRM and that way you can't give your friend the code to use on his ps3/wii.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753920</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1263411480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My guess is that it's because 1080p is not the exclusive way to enjoy movies.</p><p>I'm actually a little surprised the question got out of your mind and through your fingers before you realized that obvious conclusion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is that it 's because 1080p is not the exclusive way to enjoy movies.I 'm actually a little surprised the question got out of your mind and through your fingers before you realized that obvious conclusion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is that it's because 1080p is not the exclusive way to enjoy movies.I'm actually a little surprised the question got out of your mind and through your fingers before you realized that obvious conclusion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751668</id>
	<title>Re:Q&amp;A</title>
	<author>Zantac69</author>
	<datestamp>1263402720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...and they don't degrade, scratch, or fall apart after a few months.</p></div><p>Which is exactly WHY they have not transitioned to a "stick" format that you could plug into your player.  They prefer to have the media to be a little fragile...that way you might have to replace it if your 3 year-old or your drunk friend mishandles your disc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and they do n't degrade , scratch , or fall apart after a few months.Which is exactly WHY they have not transitioned to a " stick " format that you could plug into your player .
They prefer to have the media to be a little fragile...that way you might have to replace it if your 3 year-old or your drunk friend mishandles your disc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...and they don't degrade, scratch, or fall apart after a few months.Which is exactly WHY they have not transitioned to a "stick" format that you could plug into your player.
They prefer to have the media to be a little fragile...that way you might have to replace it if your 3 year-old or your drunk friend mishandles your disc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30760220</id>
	<title>Bannerbomb + USB Loader</title>
	<author>dark\_requiem</author>
	<datestamp>1263398160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Easy way around this: use bannerbomb to install the homebrew channel, then install a cIOS, then install a USB Loader.  Rip the Netflix disc to your USB hard drive, and you can load it from the drive (along with all your game backups).  Works like a charm for everything else, takes no more time to load than any other channel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy way around this : use bannerbomb to install the homebrew channel , then install a cIOS , then install a USB Loader .
Rip the Netflix disc to your USB hard drive , and you can load it from the drive ( along with all your game backups ) .
Works like a charm for everything else , takes no more time to load than any other channel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy way around this: use bannerbomb to install the homebrew channel, then install a cIOS, then install a USB Loader.
Rip the Netflix disc to your USB hard drive, and you can load it from the drive (along with all your game backups).
Works like a charm for everything else, takes no more time to load than any other channel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753002</id>
	<title>Re:Poor</title>
	<author>vegiVamp</author>
	<datestamp>1263407640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of giving you some form of moderation for your attempt at +1 Funny, I'm posting this comment, just because you're one of those annoying gits who starts their comment in the subject.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of giving you some form of moderation for your attempt at + 1 Funny , I 'm posting this comment , just because you 're one of those annoying gits who starts their comment in the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of giving you some form of moderation for your attempt at +1 Funny, I'm posting this comment, just because you're one of those annoying gits who starts their comment in the subject.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753910</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1263411420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Figure at nice but SDTV quality, with decent compression (and I think Silverlight uses pretty good compression), a two-hour movie takes around a gig.  The Wii has 88mb of memory, so if the player is fairly light, they might be able to have about a 32mb buffer, which is only about 3-4 minutes.<br> <br>

If the quality is closer to youtube-level, instead of DVD-level, a two hour movie might be compressed down to a few hundred megs, and they could probably hold many times that amount.  You're not going to be able to come close to buffering a whole movie, unless they let you save it on an external SD card.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Figure at nice but SDTV quality , with decent compression ( and I think Silverlight uses pretty good compression ) , a two-hour movie takes around a gig .
The Wii has 88mb of memory , so if the player is fairly light , they might be able to have about a 32mb buffer , which is only about 3-4 minutes .
If the quality is closer to youtube-level , instead of DVD-level , a two hour movie might be compressed down to a few hundred megs , and they could probably hold many times that amount .
You 're not going to be able to come close to buffering a whole movie , unless they let you save it on an external SD card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Figure at nice but SDTV quality, with decent compression (and I think Silverlight uses pretty good compression), a two-hour movie takes around a gig.
The Wii has 88mb of memory, so if the player is fairly light, they might be able to have about a 32mb buffer, which is only about 3-4 minutes.
If the quality is closer to youtube-level, instead of DVD-level, a two hour movie might be compressed down to a few hundred megs, and they could probably hold many times that amount.
You're not going to be able to come close to buffering a whole movie, unless they let you save it on an external SD card.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751766</id>
	<title>Deaf and Hard of Hearing still snubbed</title>
	<author>flerchin</author>
	<datestamp>1263403140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still no captions for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. It's almost as if it they want a class action lawsuit or something. Ten percent of your userbase is no small amount (I would think).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still no captions for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing .
It 's almost as if it they want a class action lawsuit or something .
Ten percent of your userbase is no small amount ( I would think ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still no captions for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing.
It's almost as if it they want a class action lawsuit or something.
Ten percent of your userbase is no small amount (I would think).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751958</id>
	<title>Canada?</title>
	<author>FrigBot</author>
	<datestamp>1263403980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if we'll get this in Canada. Probably not. Xbox Live doesn't get Netflix in Canada, but I was hoping this would be a change. Not holding my breath though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if we 'll get this in Canada .
Probably not .
Xbox Live does n't get Netflix in Canada , but I was hoping this would be a change .
Not holding my breath though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if we'll get this in Canada.
Probably not.
Xbox Live doesn't get Netflix in Canada, but I was hoping this would be a change.
Not holding my breath though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753518</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1263409920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's surprising that someone into consoles &amp; interested in Netflix playback would still be ignorant of the likely reason why it requires a disc.</p><p>I think that a Netflix app is probably on the order of standard game you'd download on the Wii.  Video files aren't saved locally, it's all just streaming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's surprising that someone into consoles &amp; interested in Netflix playback would still be ignorant of the likely reason why it requires a disc.I think that a Netflix app is probably on the order of standard game you 'd download on the Wii .
Video files are n't saved locally , it 's all just streaming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's surprising that someone into consoles &amp; interested in Netflix playback would still be ignorant of the likely reason why it requires a disc.I think that a Netflix app is probably on the order of standard game you'd download on the Wii.
Video files aren't saved locally, it's all just streaming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752712</id>
	<title>Re:480p</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1263406680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The highest output on the Wii is 480p.  It looks great for Wii games but i would imagine most Netflix streaming customers want their stuff in HD.</p></div><p>Well, sure, that's what they <em>want</em>...  But I think most of Netflix's streaming encodes are still 480p...</p><p>(I don't think 480p looks "great" for Wii games, personally...  For video it would probably be alright 'cause you don't get all the aliasing problems you get with polygon graphics...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The highest output on the Wii is 480p .
It looks great for Wii games but i would imagine most Netflix streaming customers want their stuff in HD.Well , sure , that 's what they want... But I think most of Netflix 's streaming encodes are still 480p... ( I do n't think 480p looks " great " for Wii games , personally... For video it would probably be alright 'cause you do n't get all the aliasing problems you get with polygon graphics... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The highest output on the Wii is 480p.
It looks great for Wii games but i would imagine most Netflix streaming customers want their stuff in HD.Well, sure, that's what they want...  But I think most of Netflix's streaming encodes are still 480p...(I don't think 480p looks "great" for Wii games, personally...  For video it would probably be alright 'cause you don't get all the aliasing problems you get with polygon graphics...)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751522</id>
	<title>Dear Submitting Slashdot Reader</title>
	<author>riff420</author>
	<datestamp>1263402120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie?"

For that matter, why should you be required to dedicate your disc slot to play a game?  Don't they know I instead could be KEEPING THINGS IN THERE, LIKE SHOPPING LISTS, OR MAYBE THAT PS2 GAME I LOST THE CASE FOR.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU SERIOUSLY WHINING ABOUT THIS?

Want to watch a Netflix movie on your Wii?  Shut the fuck up and put in the disc.  Or drop it onto your favorite USB loader and shut the hell up already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie ?
" For that matter , why should you be required to dedicate your disc slot to play a game ?
Do n't they know I instead could be KEEPING THINGS IN THERE , LIKE SHOPPING LISTS , OR MAYBE THAT PS2 GAME I LOST THE CASE FOR .
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU SERIOUSLY WHINING ABOUT THIS ?
Want to watch a Netflix movie on your Wii ?
Shut the fuck up and put in the disc .
Or drop it onto your favorite USB loader and shut the hell up already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie?
"

For that matter, why should you be required to dedicate your disc slot to play a game?
Don't they know I instead could be KEEPING THINGS IN THERE, LIKE SHOPPING LISTS, OR MAYBE THAT PS2 GAME I LOST THE CASE FOR.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ARE YOU SERIOUSLY WHINING ABOUT THIS?
Want to watch a Netflix movie on your Wii?
Shut the fuck up and put in the disc.
Or drop it onto your favorite USB loader and shut the hell up already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751756</id>
	<title>As many others have already said...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263403080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Microsoft has <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/jul08/07-14instantstreampr.mspx" title="microsoft.com"> an exclusivity deal with Netflix for the time being</a> [microsoft.com].  Either due to technical or legal reasons, requiring the disc is a way to get around this.  Considering <a href="http://www.destructoid.com/required-discs-for-netflix-ps3-streaming-are-temporary-153174.phtml" title="destructoid.com">Sony has already said the required disc is temporary</a> [destructoid.com], this implies the exclusivity deal is nearing its end.  This also implies any disc required for the Wii would be temporary as well.</p><p>Calm down people.  Jeebus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Netflix for the time being [ microsoft.com ] .
Either due to technical or legal reasons , requiring the disc is a way to get around this .
Considering Sony has already said the required disc is temporary [ destructoid.com ] , this implies the exclusivity deal is nearing its end .
This also implies any disc required for the Wii would be temporary as well.Calm down people .
Jeebus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Microsoft has  an exclusivity deal with Netflix for the time being [microsoft.com].
Either due to technical or legal reasons, requiring the disc is a way to get around this.
Considering Sony has already said the required disc is temporary [destructoid.com], this implies the exclusivity deal is nearing its end.
This also implies any disc required for the Wii would be temporary as well.Calm down people.
Jeebus.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751910</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263403860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup. NetFlix dances around the issue (see: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/ ). But it's pretty obvious this is the reason why.</p><p>I don't think firmware QA is the primary reason here.  It's an app.  There's not much difference between QAing an app loading from local storage vs. an app loading from disc.</p><p>Actually at this point, PS3 Netflix streaming is superior to the Xbox solution... you might need to put a disc in, but you don't need to fork over $50/year for an Xbox Live Gold membership.</p><p>Seems like a decent tradeoff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
NetFlix dances around the issue ( see : http : //www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/ ) .
But it 's pretty obvious this is the reason why.I do n't think firmware QA is the primary reason here .
It 's an app .
There 's not much difference between QAing an app loading from local storage vs. an app loading from disc.Actually at this point , PS3 Netflix streaming is superior to the Xbox solution... you might need to put a disc in , but you do n't need to fork over $ 50/year for an Xbox Live Gold membership.Seems like a decent tradeoff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
NetFlix dances around the issue (see: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/ ).
But it's pretty obvious this is the reason why.I don't think firmware QA is the primary reason here.
It's an app.
There's not much difference between QAing an app loading from local storage vs. an app loading from disc.Actually at this point, PS3 Netflix streaming is superior to the Xbox solution... you might need to put a disc in, but you don't need to fork over $50/year for an Xbox Live Gold membership.Seems like a decent tradeoff.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752926</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>jitterman</author>
	<datestamp>1263407340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?</p></div><p>No. From the summary:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>motang writes
"Netflix and Nintendo is set to announce Netflix streaming service for the Wii soon. Subscribers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... can watch <strong>non-HD</strong> version of the movies on their Wii<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD ? No .
From the summary : motang writes " Netflix and Nintendo is set to announce Netflix streaming service for the Wii soon .
Subscribers ... can watch non-HD version of the movies on their Wii ... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?No.
From the summary:motang writes
"Netflix and Nintendo is set to announce Netflix streaming service for the Wii soon.
Subscribers ... can watch non-HD version of the movies on their Wii ..."
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753220</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1263408540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, it's because when you put a disk in the Wii, you're not just loading the game - you're loading a copy of the OS and the game.  The updates to your Wii are a separate supervisor program.  That's why you can't "patch" disk-based Wii games.  Otherwise, you could have the OS load the game, then grab patches off your SD card slot or the net, or let the console supervisor patch it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it 's because when you put a disk in the Wii , you 're not just loading the game - you 're loading a copy of the OS and the game .
The updates to your Wii are a separate supervisor program .
That 's why you ca n't " patch " disk-based Wii games .
Otherwise , you could have the OS load the game , then grab patches off your SD card slot or the net , or let the console supervisor patch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it's because when you put a disk in the Wii, you're not just loading the game - you're loading a copy of the OS and the game.
The updates to your Wii are a separate supervisor program.
That's why you can't "patch" disk-based Wii games.
Otherwise, you could have the OS load the game, then grab patches off your SD card slot or the net, or let the console supervisor patch it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30754984</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263415620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>None of the DVDs I rent from Netflix output at 1080p either. Why bother?</htmltext>
<tokenext>None of the DVDs I rent from Netflix output at 1080p either .
Why bother ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>None of the DVDs I rent from Netflix output at 1080p either.
Why bother?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753884</id>
	<title>Re:As many others have already said...</title>
	<author>Myopic</author>
	<datestamp>1263411360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To be clear, I'm not miffed that I have to use a disc to watch Netflix on my Wii; I'm miffed that exclusive contracts are legal, and that Netflix signed one with Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To be clear , I 'm not miffed that I have to use a disc to watch Netflix on my Wii ; I 'm miffed that exclusive contracts are legal , and that Netflix signed one with Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be clear, I'm not miffed that I have to use a disc to watch Netflix on my Wii; I'm miffed that exclusive contracts are legal, and that Netflix signed one with Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751434</id>
	<title>Poor</title>
	<author>Cornwallis</author>
	<datestamp>1263401760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wife.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wife.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752352</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263405420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support. Simply giving DVDs out with software for the other platforms *without* the possibility to install it may get around this agreement.</p></div><p>This is exactly correct.  However, at some point soon, I believe as early as mid year, that contract expired, and then PS3 will be able to download the app (and I would assume Wii as well).  Until the contract expires, users are stuck with this work around.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support .
Simply giving DVDs out with software for the other platforms * without * the possibility to install it may get around this agreement.This is exactly correct .
However , at some point soon , I believe as early as mid year , that contract expired , and then PS3 will be able to download the app ( and I would assume Wii as well ) .
Until the contract expires , users are stuck with this work around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support.
Simply giving DVDs out with software for the other platforms *without* the possibility to install it may get around this agreement.This is exactly correct.
However, at some point soon, I believe as early as mid year, that contract expired, and then PS3 will be able to download the app (and I would assume Wii as well).
Until the contract expires, users are stuck with this work around.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753526</id>
	<title>I'm still waiting for Hulu support</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1263409920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean for the PS3, Xbox360 and Wii. I tried watching Hulu on my PS3 and it wouldn't play. (And I'd rather watch TV on my TV than my computer. Oh, and I have a remote for the PS3 which further makes me want to watch hulu on my PS3.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean for the PS3 , Xbox360 and Wii .
I tried watching Hulu on my PS3 and it would n't play .
( And I 'd rather watch TV on my TV than my computer .
Oh , and I have a remote for the PS3 which further makes me want to watch hulu on my PS3 .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean for the PS3, Xbox360 and Wii.
I tried watching Hulu on my PS3 and it wouldn't play.
(And I'd rather watch TV on my TV than my computer.
Oh, and I have a remote for the PS3 which further makes me want to watch hulu on my PS3.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753000</id>
	<title>Re:480p</title>
	<author>jitterman</author>
	<datestamp>1263407640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well... I replaced my recently stolen 720p television with a 1080p - but as I don't own a BluRay player (and really don't think I'll be getting one any time soon), I'm not spoiled yet. It would be really nice to have HD streaming, but I won't be upset that currently the best I'll get is 720x480. At least the Wii will finally join in the fun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... I replaced my recently stolen 720p television with a 1080p - but as I do n't own a BluRay player ( and really do n't think I 'll be getting one any time soon ) , I 'm not spoiled yet .
It would be really nice to have HD streaming , but I wo n't be upset that currently the best I 'll get is 720x480 .
At least the Wii will finally join in the fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... I replaced my recently stolen 720p television with a 1080p - but as I don't own a BluRay player (and really don't think I'll be getting one any time soon), I'm not spoiled yet.
It would be really nice to have HD streaming, but I won't be upset that currently the best I'll get is 720x480.
At least the Wii will finally join in the fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30757206</id>
	<title>Can't Wait</title>
	<author>TheAbMan</author>
	<datestamp>1263381660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This would be awesome. I was wondering why I couldn't watch Netflix movies on my Wii.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This would be awesome .
I was wondering why I could n't watch Netflix movies on my Wii .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This would be awesome.
I was wondering why I couldn't watch Netflix movies on my Wii.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751752</id>
	<title>How to reserve your disc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263403080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go go http://www.netflix.com/InstantStreamingDisc?device=Wii to reserve a disc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go go http : //www.netflix.com/InstantStreamingDisc ? device = Wii to reserve a disc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go go http://www.netflix.com/InstantStreamingDisc?device=Wii to reserve a disc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752058</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>saberworks</author>
	<datestamp>1263404400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will suck on Roku, too, if you have a crappy/inconsistent connection.  If it ever drops below a certain threshold, it will just degrade the quality to the next lowest stream it thinks it can support.  Roku is worse than xbox/ps3 in that it seems to remember the resolution you usually stream at so even when the connection gets better (other times of the day, for example), it takes it a while to realize it and start getting the higher quality streams.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will suck on Roku , too , if you have a crappy/inconsistent connection .
If it ever drops below a certain threshold , it will just degrade the quality to the next lowest stream it thinks it can support .
Roku is worse than xbox/ps3 in that it seems to remember the resolution you usually stream at so even when the connection gets better ( other times of the day , for example ) , it takes it a while to realize it and start getting the higher quality streams .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will suck on Roku, too, if you have a crappy/inconsistent connection.
If it ever drops below a certain threshold, it will just degrade the quality to the next lowest stream it thinks it can support.
Roku is worse than xbox/ps3 in that it seems to remember the resolution you usually stream at so even when the connection gets better (other times of the day, for example), it takes it a while to realize it and start getting the higher quality streams.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751932</id>
	<title>This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263403920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... my Wii does not output in 1080p, will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?  If not, why bother?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... my Wii does not output in 1080p , will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD ?
If not , why bother ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... my Wii does not output in 1080p, will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?
If not, why bother?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753074</id>
	<title>BDJ</title>
	<author>FatherOfONe</author>
	<datestamp>1263407880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason the PS3 currently uses a disc is that the entire netflix program is written in Java.  Specifically a BDJ.  So the PS3 treats this disc as a Blue-Ray movie and runs their Java program as any Blue-Ray player is required to do.  It really doesn't use any specific PS3 only code.  They are working on a version that won't require the disc and will hopefully have it out soon (this year).  I would "guess" it might be possible to take the PS3 disc and put it in to some modern BlueRay player and get it to work.</p><p>In my opinion this is pretty impressive what they have done with BDJ, and it shows what it is capable of.  It also shows exactly why Microsoft didn't want this as a standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason the PS3 currently uses a disc is that the entire netflix program is written in Java .
Specifically a BDJ .
So the PS3 treats this disc as a Blue-Ray movie and runs their Java program as any Blue-Ray player is required to do .
It really does n't use any specific PS3 only code .
They are working on a version that wo n't require the disc and will hopefully have it out soon ( this year ) .
I would " guess " it might be possible to take the PS3 disc and put it in to some modern BlueRay player and get it to work.In my opinion this is pretty impressive what they have done with BDJ , and it shows what it is capable of .
It also shows exactly why Microsoft did n't want this as a standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason the PS3 currently uses a disc is that the entire netflix program is written in Java.
Specifically a BDJ.
So the PS3 treats this disc as a Blue-Ray movie and runs their Java program as any Blue-Ray player is required to do.
It really doesn't use any specific PS3 only code.
They are working on a version that won't require the disc and will hopefully have it out soon (this year).
I would "guess" it might be possible to take the PS3 disc and put it in to some modern BlueRay player and get it to work.In my opinion this is pretty impressive what they have done with BDJ, and it shows what it is capable of.
It also shows exactly why Microsoft didn't want this as a standard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753572</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1263410100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I'm willing to bet the Netflix app is simply too big to fit inside the flash reliably.</i> <br> <br>

Nah, I doubt that's a problem.  The Opera web browser fits comfortably inside flash memory, and that includes flash; unless they're incompetent, a dedicated media player should be much smaller.<br> <br>

The problem with the Wii is probably just the limited ram to buffer the streaming video itself; it might be more dependent on a smooth and fast connection than the other two console.  On the other hand, it's not streaming HD video, so that might not be as much of a problem.  Either way, it's better to have the option than not have it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm willing to bet the Netflix app is simply too big to fit inside the flash reliably .
Nah , I doubt that 's a problem .
The Opera web browser fits comfortably inside flash memory , and that includes flash ; unless they 're incompetent , a dedicated media player should be much smaller .
The problem with the Wii is probably just the limited ram to buffer the streaming video itself ; it might be more dependent on a smooth and fast connection than the other two console .
On the other hand , it 's not streaming HD video , so that might not be as much of a problem .
Either way , it 's better to have the option than not have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm willing to bet the Netflix app is simply too big to fit inside the flash reliably.
Nah, I doubt that's a problem.
The Opera web browser fits comfortably inside flash memory, and that includes flash; unless they're incompetent, a dedicated media player should be much smaller.
The problem with the Wii is probably just the limited ram to buffer the streaming video itself; it might be more dependent on a smooth and fast connection than the other two console.
On the other hand, it's not streaming HD video, so that might not be as much of a problem.
Either way, it's better to have the option than not have it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30757084</id>
	<title>Re:I'm still waiting for Hulu support</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1263381060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hulu used to work, but then the media companies found out that people were watching Hulu on PS3's connected to TV's and their agreements for streaming rights were for computers connected to monitors.  Silly, I know, but the media companies view the living room and the desk as separate markets.</p><p>Sony ought to add an option to the web browser to change the User Agent, because that's how their blocking PS3's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hulu used to work , but then the media companies found out that people were watching Hulu on PS3 's connected to TV 's and their agreements for streaming rights were for computers connected to monitors .
Silly , I know , but the media companies view the living room and the desk as separate markets.Sony ought to add an option to the web browser to change the User Agent , because that 's how their blocking PS3 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hulu used to work, but then the media companies found out that people were watching Hulu on PS3's connected to TV's and their agreements for streaming rights were for computers connected to monitors.
Silly, I know, but the media companies view the living room and the desk as separate markets.Sony ought to add an option to the web browser to change the User Agent, because that's how their blocking PS3's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752504</id>
	<title>Re:Unless I'm mistaken...</title>
	<author>bipbop</author>
	<datestamp>1263406020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gosh, it's been twenty years and my Super Nintendo still won't play movies!  Now, do I upgrade to a Sony Nintendo or a Microsoft Nintendo, or do I go out and buy a Betamax deck?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gosh , it 's been twenty years and my Super Nintendo still wo n't play movies !
Now , do I upgrade to a Sony Nintendo or a Microsoft Nintendo , or do I go out and buy a Betamax deck ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gosh, it's been twenty years and my Super Nintendo still won't play movies!
Now, do I upgrade to a Sony Nintendo or a Microsoft Nintendo, or do I go out and buy a Betamax deck?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752364</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>LtGordon</author>
	<datestamp>1263405480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... my Wii does not output in 1080p, will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?  If not, <b>why bother?</b></p> </div><p>Because, believe it or not, most Wii end users would rather have Netflix streaming in 480p than nothing at all. The vast majority of end users still do most of their at-home movie-watching in 1080p and are ok with that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... my Wii does not output in 1080p , will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD ?
If not , why bother ?
Because , believe it or not , most Wii end users would rather have Netflix streaming in 480p than nothing at all .
The vast majority of end users still do most of their at-home movie-watching in 1080p and are ok with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... my Wii does not output in 1080p, will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?
If not, why bother?
Because, believe it or not, most Wii end users would rather have Netflix streaming in 480p than nothing at all.
The vast majority of end users still do most of their at-home movie-watching in 1080p and are ok with that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751774</id>
	<title>Re:Q&amp;A</title>
	<author>cmiller173</author>
	<datestamp>1263403140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It amazed me that people closely watched the HD-DVD vs. BluRay "format war", and never once did they stop and think -- wait, why are we still relying on optical read-only media in the 21st century?</p></div><p>The same reason that CD beat out DAT (digital audio tape).  For a tape to be loaded with content each tape had to be run across a record head which is relatively time consuming compared to stamping a CD.  Flash memory, even some sort of write once version, still has to be loaded with content and is still orders of magnitude slower than stamping a disc.  Plus the huge capacity solid state memory devices are much more expensive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It amazed me that people closely watched the HD-DVD vs. BluRay " format war " , and never once did they stop and think -- wait , why are we still relying on optical read-only media in the 21st century ? The same reason that CD beat out DAT ( digital audio tape ) .
For a tape to be loaded with content each tape had to be run across a record head which is relatively time consuming compared to stamping a CD .
Flash memory , even some sort of write once version , still has to be loaded with content and is still orders of magnitude slower than stamping a disc .
Plus the huge capacity solid state memory devices are much more expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It amazed me that people closely watched the HD-DVD vs. BluRay "format war", and never once did they stop and think -- wait, why are we still relying on optical read-only media in the 21st century?The same reason that CD beat out DAT (digital audio tape).
For a tape to be loaded with content each tape had to be run across a record head which is relatively time consuming compared to stamping a CD.
Flash memory, even some sort of write once version, still has to be loaded with content and is still orders of magnitude slower than stamping a disc.
Plus the huge capacity solid state memory devices are much more expensive.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752910</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263407280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not that they may, they do Netflix has announced this publicly and stated this year they will be adding it to the PS3 XMB when the deal with MS expires.</p><p>http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/</p><p>Here is the article from joystiq.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not that they may , they do Netflix has announced this publicly and stated this year they will be adding it to the PS3 XMB when the deal with MS expires.http : //www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/Here is the article from joystiq .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not that they may, they do Netflix has announced this publicly and stated this year they will be adding it to the PS3 XMB when the deal with MS expires.http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/26/netflix-ps3-disc-must-remain-in-system-until-2010-update/Here is the article from joystiq.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751558</id>
	<title>PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263402300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rumor has it that Microsoft has an exclusivity contract with netflix for streaming built into gaming consoles which expires sometime near the end of year.<br> <br>

The PS3 will go disc free later this year, but didn't supply details as to why.   However, since the Wii has far less storage, this may or may not be possible on the Wii...<br> <br>

<a href="http://kotaku.com/5391286/netflix-on-ps3-getting-embedded-solution-late-next-year" title="kotaku.com" rel="nofollow">http://kotaku.com/5391286/netflix-on-ps3-getting-embedded-solution-late-next-year</a> [kotaku.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rumor has it that Microsoft has an exclusivity contract with netflix for streaming built into gaming consoles which expires sometime near the end of year .
The PS3 will go disc free later this year , but did n't supply details as to why .
However , since the Wii has far less storage , this may or may not be possible on the Wii.. . http : //kotaku.com/5391286/netflix-on-ps3-getting-embedded-solution-late-next-year [ kotaku.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rumor has it that Microsoft has an exclusivity contract with netflix for streaming built into gaming consoles which expires sometime near the end of year.
The PS3 will go disc free later this year, but didn't supply details as to why.
However, since the Wii has far less storage, this may or may not be possible on the Wii... 

http://kotaku.com/5391286/netflix-on-ps3-getting-embedded-solution-late-next-year [kotaku.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751470</id>
	<title>ps3 disc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263401940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Both Netflix and Sony have stated several times that the requirement of a disc for the PS3 is only a short-term stopgap measure. There will be a future firmware update that includes the Netflix player at some point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both Netflix and Sony have stated several times that the requirement of a disc for the PS3 is only a short-term stopgap measure .
There will be a future firmware update that includes the Netflix player at some point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both Netflix and Sony have stated several times that the requirement of a disc for the PS3 is only a short-term stopgap measure.
There will be a future firmware update that includes the Netflix player at some point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752056</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Reason58</author>
	<datestamp>1263404400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... my Wii does not output in 1080p, will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?  If not, why bother?</p></div><p>The majority of the Netflix streams are 480 (DVD). The best ones top out at 720, and even those require permission from the studio to use.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... my Wii does not output in 1080p , will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD ?
If not , why bother ? The majority of the Netflix streams are 480 ( DVD ) .
The best ones top out at 720 , and even those require permission from the studio to use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... my Wii does not output in 1080p, will movies streamed by Netflix display in HD?
If not, why bother?The majority of the Netflix streams are 480 (DVD).
The best ones top out at 720, and even those require permission from the studio to use.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30754822</id>
	<title>Already streaming NetFlix to my Wii</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263414960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is this an issue? http://www.playon.tv/</p><p>I had mine setup in fifteen minutes and was streaming Netflix to my Wii and displaying it on my 1080p HDTV. Video quality was lower than DVD, due to transcoding to FLV. I did experience some buffering issues but that I attribute to using an ancient CPU (an old Athlon) on the transcoding host and trying to pull it down through a 1.5mpbs basic DSL link.</p><p>Since I'm using it to watch old movies with the kids, my expectations on picture quality are not above the Wii capabilities.</p><p>If you care that much about picture quality, I cant say I sympathize with whining about having absolutely no other options than streaming through your Wii.<br>e.g. hook up your laptop (with a proper graphics display card that can send the right RGB signaling) and send the display to your TV.</p><p>Or look into PlayOn. Or some other dedicated solution to get the video quality you desire to your TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this an issue ?
http : //www.playon.tv/I had mine setup in fifteen minutes and was streaming Netflix to my Wii and displaying it on my 1080p HDTV .
Video quality was lower than DVD , due to transcoding to FLV .
I did experience some buffering issues but that I attribute to using an ancient CPU ( an old Athlon ) on the transcoding host and trying to pull it down through a 1.5mpbs basic DSL link.Since I 'm using it to watch old movies with the kids , my expectations on picture quality are not above the Wii capabilities.If you care that much about picture quality , I cant say I sympathize with whining about having absolutely no other options than streaming through your Wii.e.g .
hook up your laptop ( with a proper graphics display card that can send the right RGB signaling ) and send the display to your TV.Or look into PlayOn .
Or some other dedicated solution to get the video quality you desire to your TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this an issue?
http://www.playon.tv/I had mine setup in fifteen minutes and was streaming Netflix to my Wii and displaying it on my 1080p HDTV.
Video quality was lower than DVD, due to transcoding to FLV.
I did experience some buffering issues but that I attribute to using an ancient CPU (an old Athlon) on the transcoding host and trying to pull it down through a 1.5mpbs basic DSL link.Since I'm using it to watch old movies with the kids, my expectations on picture quality are not above the Wii capabilities.If you care that much about picture quality, I cant say I sympathize with whining about having absolutely no other options than streaming through your Wii.e.g.
hook up your laptop (with a proper graphics display card that can send the right RGB signaling) and send the display to your TV.Or look into PlayOn.
Or some other dedicated solution to get the video quality you desire to your TV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753790</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263411000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why? because of pirating. I know it hasn't been cracked yet, but they aren't taking any chances. all of them wish for worldofwarcraft model.<br>or to save on media and stores cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why ?
because of pirating .
I know it has n't been cracked yet , but they are n't taking any chances .
all of them wish for worldofwarcraft model.or to save on media and stores cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why?
because of pirating.
I know it hasn't been cracked yet, but they aren't taking any chances.
all of them wish for worldofwarcraft model.or to save on media and stores cost.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751468</id>
	<title>Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263401940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support. Simply giving DVDs out with software for the other platforms *without* the possibility to install it may get around this agreement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support .
Simply giving DVDs out with software for the other platforms * without * the possibility to install it may get around this agreement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support.
Simply giving DVDs out with software for the other platforms *without* the possibility to install it may get around this agreement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752702</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1263406620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm willing to bet the 10Mb/s or so would also be an issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm willing to bet the 10Mb/s or so would also be an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm willing to bet the 10Mb/s or so would also be an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30754534</id>
	<title>Re:How to reserve your disc</title>
	<author>Tyler Durden</author>
	<datestamp>1263413940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I assume there's no place online to just download and then burn it to DVD.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I assume there 's no place online to just download and then burn it to DVD .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I assume there's no place online to just download and then burn it to DVD.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30760998</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>seebs</author>
	<datestamp>1263406200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have roughly 500 DVDs, none of which display in HD.  Nor do I care whether they display in HD.  I don't actually see it as a big deal; I am watching for dialogue and plot, not for pixel-count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have roughly 500 DVDs , none of which display in HD .
Nor do I care whether they display in HD .
I do n't actually see it as a big deal ; I am watching for dialogue and plot , not for pixel-count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have roughly 500 DVDs, none of which display in HD.
Nor do I care whether they display in HD.
I don't actually see it as a big deal; I am watching for dialogue and plot, not for pixel-count.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751566</id>
	<title>There goes the market</title>
	<author>rpunit</author>
	<datestamp>1263402300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>for roku.. At least my roku can do hd</htmltext>
<tokenext>for roku.. At least my roku can do hd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for roku.. At least my roku can do hd</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30753192</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Gothmolly</author>
	<datestamp>1263408420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a) there's no way a Wii could decode HD<br>b) the Wii does not have HD outputs<br>c) you're trolling</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a ) there 's no way a Wii could decode HDb ) the Wii does not have HD outputsc ) you 're trolling</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a) there's no way a Wii could decode HDb) the Wii does not have HD outputsc) you're trolling</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752040</id>
	<title>Re:This May Be dumb but...</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1263404340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would say because the bulk of what Netflix currently streams is only available in standard-def anyways...the amount of HD content they stream grows on a regular basis, but it is still a small percentage of their overall offerings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say because the bulk of what Netflix currently streams is only available in standard-def anyways...the amount of HD content they stream grows on a regular basis , but it is still a small percentage of their overall offerings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say because the bulk of what Netflix currently streams is only available in standard-def anyways...the amount of HD content they stream grows on a regular basis, but it is still a small percentage of their overall offerings.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30762794</id>
	<title>re:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263475680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they require a disc to see how many people actually order them and then they can move on with the next logical step to see if it's worth putting time and money into rewriting or implementing it into their firmware(s). Stop bitching about the Wii's storage space as if it's an issue. I have mplayer on my wii and it happily streams HD content and the like right across my network, with wifi.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-p but with that aside..i'm sure if enough people are interested in the netflix disc they will add an application download. This is netflix offering a service here, not Sony or Nintendo, yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they require a disc to see how many people actually order them and then they can move on with the next logical step to see if it 's worth putting time and money into rewriting or implementing it into their firmware ( s ) .
Stop bitching about the Wii 's storage space as if it 's an issue .
I have mplayer on my wii and it happily streams HD content and the like right across my network , with wifi .
: -p but with that aside..i 'm sure if enough people are interested in the netflix disc they will add an application download .
This is netflix offering a service here , not Sony or Nintendo , yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they require a disc to see how many people actually order them and then they can move on with the next logical step to see if it's worth putting time and money into rewriting or implementing it into their firmware(s).
Stop bitching about the Wii's storage space as if it's an issue.
I have mplayer on my wii and it happily streams HD content and the like right across my network, with wifi.
:-p but with that aside..i'm sure if enough people are interested in the netflix disc they will add an application download.
This is netflix offering a service here, not Sony or Nintendo, yet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751706</id>
	<title>Re:Q&amp;A</title>
	<author>Reapman</author>
	<datestamp>1263402840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um from my understanding, the DRM is in the username...  No I think the reason is far more likely that they have an exclusive agreement for the 360.  Remember Sony AND Netflix has said the Disc is a temporary solution.  I'm assuming it's temporary for the Wii as well, temporary until the end of the agreement with MS.</p><p>Why am I still relying on optical media?  The only viable alternative is online.  However not only can my ISP not sustain the Bitrate for audio and video that Blu supports (or even HD-DVD supported), but they'd cut me off within a week for going over my usage.  The solid state media you talk about is more expensive (compared to a disc) to produce, and honestly doesn't last any longer then an optical disc would, especially if they had to mass produce them to replace every single DVD/BR disc sold.  I can get a recordable BR disc for a few bucks, but a 64g stick goes for more then that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um from my understanding , the DRM is in the username... No I think the reason is far more likely that they have an exclusive agreement for the 360 .
Remember Sony AND Netflix has said the Disc is a temporary solution .
I 'm assuming it 's temporary for the Wii as well , temporary until the end of the agreement with MS.Why am I still relying on optical media ?
The only viable alternative is online .
However not only can my ISP not sustain the Bitrate for audio and video that Blu supports ( or even HD-DVD supported ) , but they 'd cut me off within a week for going over my usage .
The solid state media you talk about is more expensive ( compared to a disc ) to produce , and honestly does n't last any longer then an optical disc would , especially if they had to mass produce them to replace every single DVD/BR disc sold .
I can get a recordable BR disc for a few bucks , but a 64g stick goes for more then that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um from my understanding, the DRM is in the username...  No I think the reason is far more likely that they have an exclusive agreement for the 360.
Remember Sony AND Netflix has said the Disc is a temporary solution.
I'm assuming it's temporary for the Wii as well, temporary until the end of the agreement with MS.Why am I still relying on optical media?
The only viable alternative is online.
However not only can my ISP not sustain the Bitrate for audio and video that Blu supports (or even HD-DVD supported), but they'd cut me off within a week for going over my usage.
The solid state media you talk about is more expensive (compared to a disc) to produce, and honestly doesn't last any longer then an optical disc would, especially if they had to mass produce them to replace every single DVD/BR disc sold.
I can get a recordable BR disc for a few bucks, but a 64g stick goes for more then that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751664</id>
	<title>Re:Q&amp;A</title>
	<author>Big Boss</author>
	<datestamp>1263402660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you really want to pay $200/movie just for the media? That's the biggest reason we are still using optical media. It's CHEAP to make in huge quantities. We're talking a few cents per unit cheap here. Flash memory, even mask ROM, can't match that price point. That's also the biggest reason that the console guys moved from ROM to optical. More space, less production cost. DRM has little to do with it, it's just as easy to crack DRM on optical media as it is on other formats. Just google for the piracy scenes for the various consoles and movies. The media formats don't matter to the pirates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really want to pay $ 200/movie just for the media ?
That 's the biggest reason we are still using optical media .
It 's CHEAP to make in huge quantities .
We 're talking a few cents per unit cheap here .
Flash memory , even mask ROM , ca n't match that price point .
That 's also the biggest reason that the console guys moved from ROM to optical .
More space , less production cost .
DRM has little to do with it , it 's just as easy to crack DRM on optical media as it is on other formats .
Just google for the piracy scenes for the various consoles and movies .
The media formats do n't matter to the pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really want to pay $200/movie just for the media?
That's the biggest reason we are still using optical media.
It's CHEAP to make in huge quantities.
We're talking a few cents per unit cheap here.
Flash memory, even mask ROM, can't match that price point.
That's also the biggest reason that the console guys moved from ROM to optical.
More space, less production cost.
DRM has little to do with it, it's just as easy to crack DRM on optical media as it is on other formats.
Just google for the piracy scenes for the various consoles and movies.
The media formats don't matter to the pirates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752468</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>lupine</author>
	<datestamp>1263405960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to have DSL through TDS until I started having problems with nexflix buffering. The movie would play fine for 1 hour and then start to have buffering issues.<br>I did some network speed tests using dslreports and a local speedtest server. If I was just doing normal web browsing and then did a speed test I would get a decent speed, plenty good for netflix streaming. Then I tried watching a movie, one hour into it buffering started, I shut down the movie and immediately ran a speed test and found that my bandwidth had been cut exactly in half.</p><p>I repeated this test a number of times and then switched to cable internet and told TDS to get fucked - they wanted me to switch to a more expensive plan but did not admit to throttling my connection. Now I have higher speed cable(charter) and haven't noticed any throttling or had any trouble with netflix playback(HD).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to have DSL through TDS until I started having problems with nexflix buffering .
The movie would play fine for 1 hour and then start to have buffering issues.I did some network speed tests using dslreports and a local speedtest server .
If I was just doing normal web browsing and then did a speed test I would get a decent speed , plenty good for netflix streaming .
Then I tried watching a movie , one hour into it buffering started , I shut down the movie and immediately ran a speed test and found that my bandwidth had been cut exactly in half.I repeated this test a number of times and then switched to cable internet and told TDS to get fucked - they wanted me to switch to a more expensive plan but did not admit to throttling my connection .
Now I have higher speed cable ( charter ) and have n't noticed any throttling or had any trouble with netflix playback ( HD ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to have DSL through TDS until I started having problems with nexflix buffering.
The movie would play fine for 1 hour and then start to have buffering issues.I did some network speed tests using dslreports and a local speedtest server.
If I was just doing normal web browsing and then did a speed test I would get a decent speed, plenty good for netflix streaming.
Then I tried watching a movie, one hour into it buffering started, I shut down the movie and immediately ran a speed test and found that my bandwidth had been cut exactly in half.I repeated this test a number of times and then switched to cable internet and told TDS to get fucked - they wanted me to switch to a more expensive plan but did not admit to throttling my connection.
Now I have higher speed cable(charter) and haven't noticed any throttling or had any trouble with netflix playback(HD).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751728</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1263402960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That doesn't account for Tivo, Boxee or Roku, which can stream it out of the box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That does n't account for Tivo , Boxee or Roku , which can stream it out of the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That doesn't account for Tivo, Boxee or Roku, which can stream it out of the box.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751422</id>
	<title>The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1263401760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By requiring you to have the disc, they make it difficult for most people to use the system without proper authorization.</p><p>Will it hinder most Slashbots? No. But it isn't meant to stop hardcore copyright infringers. It's meant to stop the average guy from sharing his copy of Netflix with everyone in the neighborhood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By requiring you to have the disc , they make it difficult for most people to use the system without proper authorization.Will it hinder most Slashbots ?
No. But it is n't meant to stop hardcore copyright infringers .
It 's meant to stop the average guy from sharing his copy of Netflix with everyone in the neighborhood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By requiring you to have the disc, they make it difficult for most people to use the system without proper authorization.Will it hinder most Slashbots?
No. But it isn't meant to stop hardcore copyright infringers.
It's meant to stop the average guy from sharing his copy of Netflix with everyone in the neighborhood.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30757244</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>leuk\_he</author>
	<datestamp>1263381900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The wii has 512 Mb of flash internal. You can put data on a SD, but it will first be copied to the internal memory.</p><p>internet channel is 222blocks x 128k =  28MB. There are romours that nintento put a cap of 40MByte on downloadable games. You can seay create a player in that space.</p><p>The main reason for this is the market. You cannot put a link in a store to buy, you want it in a box. It is however possible to install a channal from a disk (e.g. mario kart), but this obvious was a step too much for the people who thought this up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The wii has 512 Mb of flash internal .
You can put data on a SD , but it will first be copied to the internal memory.internet channel is 222blocks x 128k = 28MB .
There are romours that nintento put a cap of 40MByte on downloadable games .
You can seay create a player in that space.The main reason for this is the market .
You can not put a link in a store to buy , you want it in a box .
It is however possible to install a channal from a disk ( e.g .
mario kart ) , but this obvious was a step too much for the people who thought this up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The wii has 512 Mb of flash internal.
You can put data on a SD, but it will first be copied to the internal memory.internet channel is 222blocks x 128k =  28MB.
There are romours that nintento put a cap of 40MByte on downloadable games.
You can seay create a player in that space.The main reason for this is the market.
You cannot put a link in a store to buy, you want it in a box.
It is however possible to install a channal from a disk (e.g.
mario kart), but this obvious was a step too much for the people who thought this up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751836</id>
	<title>Re:Deaf and Hard of Hearing still snubbed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263403500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Still no captions for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing. It's almost as if it they want a class action lawsuit or something. Ten percent of your userbase is no small amount (I would think).</p></div><p>So if the Handicapped can't have it, nobody can have it?</p><p>Sorry for leaving my PC module at home...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still no captions for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing .
It 's almost as if it they want a class action lawsuit or something .
Ten percent of your userbase is no small amount ( I would think ) .So if the Handicapped ca n't have it , nobody can have it ? Sorry for leaving my PC module at home.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still no captions for the Deaf and Hard of Hearing.
It's almost as if it they want a class action lawsuit or something.
Ten percent of your userbase is no small amount (I would think).So if the Handicapped can't have it, nobody can have it?Sorry for leaving my PC module at home...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30754298</id>
	<title>Re:Would be nice outside USA</title>
	<author>CastrTroy</author>
	<datestamp>1263413040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fact that iTunes allows you to rent and buy digital movies makes me think that it's more to do with licensing and companies not wanting to deal with the Canadian market, moreso than anything to do with the CRTC.  Do you have any information to back up that the CRTC is causing problems?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that iTunes allows you to rent and buy digital movies makes me think that it 's more to do with licensing and companies not wanting to deal with the Canadian market , moreso than anything to do with the CRTC .
Do you have any information to back up that the CRTC is causing problems ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that iTunes allows you to rent and buy digital movies makes me think that it's more to do with licensing and companies not wanting to deal with the Canadian market, moreso than anything to do with the CRTC.
Do you have any information to back up that the CRTC is causing problems?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751812</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>Moryath</author>
	<datestamp>1263403320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about the PS3, but I know technical limitations for memory on the Wii pretty much make this crap anyways.</p><p>The Wii can "download" apps, but its internal (flash) memory is incredibly small. Their "run from the SD slot" is a kludge that doesn't actually run the app from the SD slot, it copies it into part of the internal (flash) memory first.</p><p>I'm willing to bet the Netflix app is simply too big to fit inside the flash reliably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about the PS3 , but I know technical limitations for memory on the Wii pretty much make this crap anyways.The Wii can " download " apps , but its internal ( flash ) memory is incredibly small .
Their " run from the SD slot " is a kludge that does n't actually run the app from the SD slot , it copies it into part of the internal ( flash ) memory first.I 'm willing to bet the Netflix app is simply too big to fit inside the flash reliably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about the PS3, but I know technical limitations for memory on the Wii pretty much make this crap anyways.The Wii can "download" apps, but its internal (flash) memory is incredibly small.
Their "run from the SD slot" is a kludge that doesn't actually run the app from the SD slot, it copies it into part of the internal (flash) memory first.I'm willing to bet the Netflix app is simply too big to fit inside the flash reliably.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30757306</id>
	<title>Re:Poor</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1263382200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On behalf of everybody who has ever been a wife, I'd say putting a disc into a computer is not too much to ask. I do it every time I play a DVD. What I don't understand is, if they're offering a <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1509202&amp;cid=30751834" title="slashdot.org">downloadable version for the PS3</a> [slashdot.org] later, why aren't they offering a downloadable version for the Wii. And even if it's really low resolution, why not a downloadable version for the DSi?</htmltext>
<tokenext>On behalf of everybody who has ever been a wife , I 'd say putting a disc into a computer is not too much to ask .
I do it every time I play a DVD .
What I do n't understand is , if they 're offering a downloadable version for the PS3 [ slashdot.org ] later , why are n't they offering a downloadable version for the Wii .
And even if it 's really low resolution , why not a downloadable version for the DSi ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On behalf of everybody who has ever been a wife, I'd say putting a disc into a computer is not too much to ask.
I do it every time I play a DVD.
What I don't understand is, if they're offering a downloadable version for the PS3 [slashdot.org] later, why aren't they offering a downloadable version for the Wii.
And even if it's really low resolution, why not a downloadable version for the DSi?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30755380</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>DeKO</author>
	<datestamp>1263373980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nonsense. Wii's flash memory is 512 MB, not 512 KB. It's unthinkable for a video player to be larger than, say, 50 MB; and at that mark it would still fit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nonsense .
Wii 's flash memory is 512 MB , not 512 KB .
It 's unthinkable for a video player to be larger than , say , 50 MB ; and at that mark it would still fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nonsense.
Wii's flash memory is 512 MB, not 512 KB.
It's unthinkable for a video player to be larger than, say, 50 MB; and at that mark it would still fit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30758406</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1263386940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix support</p><p>Nonsense.  The TiVo has had Netflix built-in streaming for a long while now.  Unless you meant an exclusive deal on GAMING CONSOLES only.  But I can't imagine how that could possibly be in Netflix's best interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix supportNonsense .
The TiVo has had Netflix built-in streaming for a long while now .
Unless you meant an exclusive deal on GAMING CONSOLES only .
But I ca n't imagine how that could possibly be in Netflix 's best interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Microsoft may have an exclusive deal with Netflix to have built-in Netflix supportNonsense.
The TiVo has had Netflix built-in streaming for a long while now.
Unless you meant an exclusive deal on GAMING CONSOLES only.
But I can't imagine how that could possibly be in Netflix's best interest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752482</id>
	<title>Would be nice outside USA</title>
	<author>yabos</author>
	<datestamp>1263405960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Still waiting for this in Canada and other parts of the world.  I think the main problem is the CRTC wanting to control how all content is distributed in Canada.<br>
Netflix: Does not work<br>
Hulu: Does not work</htmltext>
<tokenext>Still waiting for this in Canada and other parts of the world .
I think the main problem is the CRTC wanting to control how all content is distributed in Canada .
Netflix : Does not work Hulu : Does not work</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still waiting for this in Canada and other parts of the world.
I think the main problem is the CRTC wanting to control how all content is distributed in Canada.
Netflix: Does not work
Hulu: Does not work</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751802</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263403260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A player does not take much space, and discs can't add storage to a Wii anyway (for caching or what have you). The Wii's ridiculously small storage and lack of expandability does not affect this particular application.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A player does not take much space , and discs ca n't add storage to a Wii anyway ( for caching or what have you ) .
The Wii 's ridiculously small storage and lack of expandability does not affect this particular application .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A player does not take much space, and discs can't add storage to a Wii anyway (for caching or what have you).
The Wii's ridiculously small storage and lack of expandability does not affect this particular application.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751526</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>yincrash</author>
	<datestamp>1263402120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This doesn't make any sense. Please elaborate further. All devices report to netflix and are linked via one time use account codes to keep track of how many devices are in use under an account. Also, the XBL version of netflix is not on disc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't make any sense .
Please elaborate further .
All devices report to netflix and are linked via one time use account codes to keep track of how many devices are in use under an account .
Also , the XBL version of netflix is not on disc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't make any sense.
Please elaborate further.
All devices report to netflix and are linked via one time use account codes to keep track of how many devices are in use under an account.
Also, the XBL version of netflix is not on disc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30756700</id>
	<title>Re:PS3 will go Disc Free in Late 2010</title>
	<author>Cato</author>
	<datestamp>1263379320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're right, and in fact in the UK, the BBC has created a Wii channel (downloadable app) for iPlayer, their TV streaming service: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8357777.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8357777.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , and in fact in the UK , the BBC has created a Wii channel ( downloadable app ) for iPlayer , their TV streaming service : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8357777.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, and in fact in the UK, the BBC has created a Wii channel (downloadable app) for iPlayer, their TV streaming service: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8357777.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751502</id>
	<title>Disc gets around X360 exclusive</title>
	<author>tigeba</author>
	<datestamp>1263402060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe the required disc for PS3 and now Wii is meant to get around the exclusive Xbox360 / Netflix streaming deal that exists currently.  My understanding is that when the exclusive deal is over, the Netflix Player could move over to a normal installable program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the required disc for PS3 and now Wii is meant to get around the exclusive Xbox360 / Netflix streaming deal that exists currently .
My understanding is that when the exclusive deal is over , the Netflix Player could move over to a normal installable program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the required disc for PS3 and now Wii is meant to get around the exclusive Xbox360 / Netflix streaming deal that exists currently.
My understanding is that when the exclusive deal is over, the Netflix Player could move over to a normal installable program.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751662</id>
	<title>Re:Q&amp;A</title>
	<author>aicrules</author>
	<datestamp>1263402660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because a 50GB SSD costs about $100 per unit at minimum, and who wants to pay $100+the cost of the movie?  You?  I doubt it.  Way cheaper to mass produce CD/DVD/Blu Ray.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because a 50GB SSD costs about $ 100 per unit at minimum , and who wants to pay $ 100 + the cost of the movie ?
You ? I doubt it .
Way cheaper to mass produce CD/DVD/Blu Ray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because a 50GB SSD costs about $100 per unit at minimum, and who wants to pay $100+the cost of the movie?
You?  I doubt it.
Way cheaper to mass produce CD/DVD/Blu Ray.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752544</id>
	<title>Microsoft has an exclusive deal</title>
	<author>iamghetto</author>
	<datestamp>1263406140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in August when this was news:</p><p><a href="http://www.crispygamer.com/blogs/post/2009/08/11/NOT-NEWS-Xbox-360s-Netflix-Exclusivity.aspx" title="crispygamer.com">http://www.crispygamer.com/blogs/post/2009/08/11/NOT-NEWS-Xbox-360s-Netflix-Exclusivity.aspx</a> [crispygamer.com]</p><p>The exclusivity was tied to an online delivery service integrated into the console.  Netflix gets around this with Wii and PS3 by essentially selling a "Netflix Game" that streams the video from the service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in August when this was news : http : //www.crispygamer.com/blogs/post/2009/08/11/NOT-NEWS-Xbox-360s-Netflix-Exclusivity.aspx [ crispygamer.com ] The exclusivity was tied to an online delivery service integrated into the console .
Netflix gets around this with Wii and PS3 by essentially selling a " Netflix Game " that streams the video from the service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in August when this was news:http://www.crispygamer.com/blogs/post/2009/08/11/NOT-NEWS-Xbox-360s-Netflix-Exclusivity.aspx [crispygamer.com]The exclusivity was tied to an online delivery service integrated into the console.
Netflix gets around this with Wii and PS3 by essentially selling a "Netflix Game" that streams the video from the service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30756086</id>
	<title>Re:As many others have already said...</title>
	<author>bws111</author>
	<datestamp>1263376620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why should exclusive contracts be illegal?  Exactly who are they hurting?  In this case, NetFlix benefits by gaining customers (and whatever cash/technology they got from Microsoft), Microsoft benefits by having a differentiator for their platform, XBOX 360 users benefit by being able to use the service, and no-one else is affected in the slightest.  Sure, PS3 and Wii customers were not able to use NetFlix, but so what?  Exclusive contracts are one of the more basic elements of life.  Own property?  You have an exclusive contract for that (the deed).  Rent an apartment?  You have an exclusive contract (the lease).  And lets not forget the granddaddy of exclusive contracts, marriage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should exclusive contracts be illegal ?
Exactly who are they hurting ?
In this case , NetFlix benefits by gaining customers ( and whatever cash/technology they got from Microsoft ) , Microsoft benefits by having a differentiator for their platform , XBOX 360 users benefit by being able to use the service , and no-one else is affected in the slightest .
Sure , PS3 and Wii customers were not able to use NetFlix , but so what ?
Exclusive contracts are one of the more basic elements of life .
Own property ?
You have an exclusive contract for that ( the deed ) .
Rent an apartment ?
You have an exclusive contract ( the lease ) .
And lets not forget the granddaddy of exclusive contracts , marriage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should exclusive contracts be illegal?
Exactly who are they hurting?
In this case, NetFlix benefits by gaining customers (and whatever cash/technology they got from Microsoft), Microsoft benefits by having a differentiator for their platform, XBOX 360 users benefit by being able to use the service, and no-one else is affected in the slightest.
Sure, PS3 and Wii customers were not able to use NetFlix, but so what?
Exclusive contracts are one of the more basic elements of life.
Own property?
You have an exclusive contract for that (the deed).
Rent an apartment?
You have an exclusive contract (the lease).
And lets not forget the granddaddy of exclusive contracts, marriage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751656</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>riff420</author>
	<datestamp>1263402660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No.

That's why they have Netflix accounts.  Clearly the Netflix streaming application is bigger than the NAND storage capacity, or at least takes up more "blocks" than any given user is willing to dedicate to this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
That 's why they have Netflix accounts .
Clearly the Netflix streaming application is bigger than the NAND storage capacity , or at least takes up more " blocks " than any given user is willing to dedicate to this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
That's why they have Netflix accounts.
Clearly the Netflix streaming application is bigger than the NAND storage capacity, or at least takes up more "blocks" than any given user is willing to dedicate to this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30752146</id>
	<title>480p</title>
	<author>Crock23A</author>
	<datestamp>1263404640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The highest output on the Wii is 480p.  It looks great for Wii games but i would imagine most Netflix streaming customers want their stuff in HD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The highest output on the Wii is 480p .
It looks great for Wii games but i would imagine most Netflix streaming customers want their stuff in HD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The highest output on the Wii is 480p.
It looks great for Wii games but i would imagine most Netflix streaming customers want their stuff in HD.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751646</id>
	<title>Re:The disc is DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263402600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>THe problem I have with netflix streaming is that on Silverlight it's buffer is so shallow that on my crappy evening comcast connection the movie frequently chatters and stops to rebuffer and degrade resolution.</p><p>I asked comcast why they don't have a large buffer mode.  I'd be happy to wait 20 minutes for a movie to start if I could get fluid high res playback.  It's far more frustrating to watch for 20 minutes and then have to abandon a movie as unwatchable with all the interruptions.</p><p>Netflix told me this has to do with some agreement with the studios on what they can deliver, and also in part do yo what silverlight is able to do.</p><p>I've been wondering if Roku or now Boxee might have different buffer rules or if it sucks on Silverlight it will suck on Roku too.</p><p>Perhaps if they have some new DRM on a closed hardware system they might get concessions that would allow movies to be pre-downloaded at high res.  I'd be pretty happy about that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>THe problem I have with netflix streaming is that on Silverlight it 's buffer is so shallow that on my crappy evening comcast connection the movie frequently chatters and stops to rebuffer and degrade resolution.I asked comcast why they do n't have a large buffer mode .
I 'd be happy to wait 20 minutes for a movie to start if I could get fluid high res playback .
It 's far more frustrating to watch for 20 minutes and then have to abandon a movie as unwatchable with all the interruptions.Netflix told me this has to do with some agreement with the studios on what they can deliver , and also in part do yo what silverlight is able to do.I 've been wondering if Roku or now Boxee might have different buffer rules or if it sucks on Silverlight it will suck on Roku too.Perhaps if they have some new DRM on a closed hardware system they might get concessions that would allow movies to be pre-downloaded at high res .
I 'd be pretty happy about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>THe problem I have with netflix streaming is that on Silverlight it's buffer is so shallow that on my crappy evening comcast connection the movie frequently chatters and stops to rebuffer and degrade resolution.I asked comcast why they don't have a large buffer mode.
I'd be happy to wait 20 minutes for a movie to start if I could get fluid high res playback.
It's far more frustrating to watch for 20 minutes and then have to abandon a movie as unwatchable with all the interruptions.Netflix told me this has to do with some agreement with the studios on what they can deliver, and also in part do yo what silverlight is able to do.I've been wondering if Roku or now Boxee might have different buffer rules or if it sucks on Silverlight it will suck on Roku too.Perhaps if they have some new DRM on a closed hardware system they might get concessions that would allow movies to be pre-downloaded at high res.
I'd be pretty happy about that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_1457232.30751550</id>
	<title>Q&amp;A</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263402240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie?</p> </div><p>DRM vendors love their physical, read-only media. No matter how advanced or compact portable storage gets, they'll always want for it. If for no other reason than they can continue to play tricks with the formatting and physical defects, creating new mutant DRM schemas to visit upon people's machines. Think about it -- why do we have BluRay, which has a maximum capacity of 50GB? They already have solid-state memory devices that only weigh a few grams and have that much storage capacity -- and they don't degrade, scratch, or fall apart after a few months.</p><p>It amazed me that people closely watched the HD-DVD vs. BluRay "format war", and never once did they stop and think -- wait, why are we still relying on optical read-only media in the 21st century?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie ?
DRM vendors love their physical , read-only media .
No matter how advanced or compact portable storage gets , they 'll always want for it .
If for no other reason than they can continue to play tricks with the formatting and physical defects , creating new mutant DRM schemas to visit upon people 's machines .
Think about it -- why do we have BluRay , which has a maximum capacity of 50GB ?
They already have solid-state memory devices that only weigh a few grams and have that much storage capacity -- and they do n't degrade , scratch , or fall apart after a few months.It amazed me that people closely watched the HD-DVD vs. BluRay " format war " , and never once did they stop and think -- wait , why are we still relying on optical read-only media in the 21st century ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should I be required to dedicate my disc slot to stream a movie?
DRM vendors love their physical, read-only media.
No matter how advanced or compact portable storage gets, they'll always want for it.
If for no other reason than they can continue to play tricks with the formatting and physical defects, creating new mutant DRM schemas to visit upon people's machines.
Think about it -- why do we have BluRay, which has a maximum capacity of 50GB?
They already have solid-state memory devices that only weigh a few grams and have that much storage capacity -- and they don't degrade, scratch, or fall apart after a few months.It amazed me that people closely watched the HD-DVD vs. BluRay "format war", and never once did they stop and think -- wait, why are we still relying on optical read-only media in the 21st century?
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	<title>oh great!</title>
	<author>kellyb9</author>
	<datestamp>1263377700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>... Now I have one more thing to use my Wii for other than playing the three decent Mario/Zelda games that get released every single year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... Now I have one more thing to use my Wii for other than playing the three decent Mario/Zelda games that get released every single year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Now I have one more thing to use my Wii for other than playing the three decent Mario/Zelda games that get released every single year.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Microsoft</title>
	<author>BillX</author>
	<datestamp>1263403380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Whaa...? The Wii has 88MB of total RAM (not including texture memory, ~3MB) in which to store and execute code+data. In fact, the Homebrew Channel (the Wii equivalent of Iphone jailbreak) listens on port 4299 for<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.dol/.elf binaries and executes them directly from RAM when received (great for developers). There is no need to write anything to Flash before executing.</p><p>No guarantees that the Big N 'officially' lets arbitrary developers/licensees full access to the RAM, but this capability is supported by the hardware and is being used successfully.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whaa... ?
The Wii has 88MB of total RAM ( not including texture memory , ~ 3MB ) in which to store and execute code + data .
In fact , the Homebrew Channel ( the Wii equivalent of Iphone jailbreak ) listens on port 4299 for .dol/.elf binaries and executes them directly from RAM when received ( great for developers ) .
There is no need to write anything to Flash before executing.No guarantees that the Big N 'officially ' lets arbitrary developers/licensees full access to the RAM , but this capability is supported by the hardware and is being used successfully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whaa...?
The Wii has 88MB of total RAM (not including texture memory, ~3MB) in which to store and execute code+data.
In fact, the Homebrew Channel (the Wii equivalent of Iphone jailbreak) listens on port 4299 for .dol/.elf binaries and executes them directly from RAM when received (great for developers).
There is no need to write anything to Flash before executing.No guarantees that the Big N 'officially' lets arbitrary developers/licensees full access to the RAM, but this capability is supported by the hardware and is being used successfully.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:480p</title>
	<author>Pojut</author>
	<datestamp>1263405600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As stated above, most Netflix streaming content is in standard def still.  They are adding more HD content on a regular basis, but the amount of HD content is still miniscule compared to the amount of SD content they offer for streaming.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As stated above , most Netflix streaming content is in standard def still .
They are adding more HD content on a regular basis , but the amount of HD content is still miniscule compared to the amount of SD content they offer for streaming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As stated above, most Netflix streaming content is in standard def still.
They are adding more HD content on a regular basis, but the amount of HD content is still miniscule compared to the amount of SD content they offer for streaming.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Unless I'm mistaken...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext>It took 3 years for the Wii to get an easy way to watch movies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took 3 years for the Wii to get an easy way to watch movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took 3 years for the Wii to get an easy way to watch movies.</sentencetext>
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