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	<title>Forrester Says Tech Downturn Is "Unofficially Over"</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1263397860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg writes <i>"The US IT market will grow by 6.6\% as high-tech spending rebounds in 2010, according to Forrester Research's latest estimates. The research firm based its projections on data reported for 2009, though its fourth quarter numbers are incomplete. Forrester says hints of a recovery surfaced in the third quarter, and now the company expects the global IT market to grow by 8.1\% in 2010. Forrester's <em>US and Global IT Market Outlook: Q4 2009</em> reads: 'The <a href="https://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/011210-tech-downturn-over.html?hpg1=bn">tech downturn of 2008 and 2009 is unofficially over</a>, while the Q3 2009 data for the US and the global market showed continued declines in tech purchases (as we expected). We predict that the Q4 2009 data will show a small increase in buying activity, or at worst, just a small decline.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg writes " The US IT market will grow by 6.6 \ % as high-tech spending rebounds in 2010 , according to Forrester Research 's latest estimates .
The research firm based its projections on data reported for 2009 , though its fourth quarter numbers are incomplete .
Forrester says hints of a recovery surfaced in the third quarter , and now the company expects the global IT market to grow by 8.1 \ % in 2010 .
Forrester 's US and Global IT Market Outlook : Q4 2009 reads : 'The tech downturn of 2008 and 2009 is unofficially over , while the Q3 2009 data for the US and the global market showed continued declines in tech purchases ( as we expected ) .
We predict that the Q4 2009 data will show a small increase in buying activity , or at worst , just a small decline .
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<sentencetext>alphadogg writes "The US IT market will grow by 6.6\% as high-tech spending rebounds in 2010, according to Forrester Research's latest estimates.
The research firm based its projections on data reported for 2009, though its fourth quarter numbers are incomplete.
Forrester says hints of a recovery surfaced in the third quarter, and now the company expects the global IT market to grow by 8.1\% in 2010.
Forrester's US and Global IT Market Outlook: Q4 2009 reads: 'The tech downturn of 2008 and 2009 is unofficially over, while the Q3 2009 data for the US and the global market showed continued declines in tech purchases (as we expected).
We predict that the Q4 2009 data will show a small increase in buying activity, or at worst, just a small decline.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263392580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While you still have Internet, check <a href="http://indeed.com/" title="indeed.com" rel="nofollow">indeed</a> [indeed.com] for work.  There are hundreds of IT-related postings in my area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While you still have Internet , check indeed [ indeed.com ] for work .
There are hundreds of IT-related postings in my area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While you still have Internet, check indeed [indeed.com] for work.
There are hundreds of IT-related postings in my area.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30750818</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1263399360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Financially, my situation improved quite a bit. I switched jobs in 2008 and again in 2009, both times having several interesting options to choose from, and not having a lot of competition from other applicants, as far as I know. Especially at my last job switch, some employers were really disappointed that I didn't pick them. But even in 2008, one kept contacting me after a few months to check if perhaps I wasn't happy about the job I picked and wanted to work for them instead. I now make significantly more money while working 1 day per week less than I did 2 years ago. And I bought a new house and a new car.</p><p>From what I can tell, the programming job market has been really booming these last few years. In Netherland, at least. I don't live in the US.</p><p>(It's nice we're finally getting some. Programmers used to be terribly underpaid around here.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Financially , my situation improved quite a bit .
I switched jobs in 2008 and again in 2009 , both times having several interesting options to choose from , and not having a lot of competition from other applicants , as far as I know .
Especially at my last job switch , some employers were really disappointed that I did n't pick them .
But even in 2008 , one kept contacting me after a few months to check if perhaps I was n't happy about the job I picked and wanted to work for them instead .
I now make significantly more money while working 1 day per week less than I did 2 years ago .
And I bought a new house and a new car.From what I can tell , the programming job market has been really booming these last few years .
In Netherland , at least .
I do n't live in the US .
( It 's nice we 're finally getting some .
Programmers used to be terribly underpaid around here .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Financially, my situation improved quite a bit.
I switched jobs in 2008 and again in 2009, both times having several interesting options to choose from, and not having a lot of competition from other applicants, as far as I know.
Especially at my last job switch, some employers were really disappointed that I didn't pick them.
But even in 2008, one kept contacting me after a few months to check if perhaps I wasn't happy about the job I picked and wanted to work for them instead.
I now make significantly more money while working 1 day per week less than I did 2 years ago.
And I bought a new house and a new car.From what I can tell, the programming job market has been really booming these last few years.
In Netherland, at least.
I don't live in the US.
(It's nice we're finally getting some.
Programmers used to be terribly underpaid around here.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30746970</id>
	<title>It may be true</title>
	<author>parallel\_prankster</author>
	<datestamp>1263316500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I graduated last November. I was looking for jobs since August. I did not get any calls at least until end of November. Since then I have had an interview every day and finally had the luxury to choose from multiple offers. I know a lot of companies are starting up new projects. A lot of the jobs in my area - Computer Architecture/Systems/Networks is being driven by Cloud Computing. Datacenter style jobs are big. Most positions require experience in Fiber Chanel SAN etc or hardware for large Datacenter switches.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I graduated last November .
I was looking for jobs since August .
I did not get any calls at least until end of November .
Since then I have had an interview every day and finally had the luxury to choose from multiple offers .
I know a lot of companies are starting up new projects .
A lot of the jobs in my area - Computer Architecture/Systems/Networks is being driven by Cloud Computing .
Datacenter style jobs are big .
Most positions require experience in Fiber Chanel SAN etc or hardware for large Datacenter switches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I graduated last November.
I was looking for jobs since August.
I did not get any calls at least until end of November.
Since then I have had an interview every day and finally had the luxury to choose from multiple offers.
I know a lot of companies are starting up new projects.
A lot of the jobs in my area - Computer Architecture/Systems/Networks is being driven by Cloud Computing.
Datacenter style jobs are big.
Most positions require experience in Fiber Chanel SAN etc or hardware for large Datacenter switches.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747100</id>
	<title>Way To Make Yourself Look Like An Idiot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'm just sayin..."</p><p>Do you have a fucking clue how much of a goddamn retard using that idiotic phrase makes you look like?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'm just sayin... " Do you have a fucking clue how much of a goddamn retard using that idiotic phrase makes you look like ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'm just sayin..."Do you have a fucking clue how much of a goddamn retard using that idiotic phrase makes you look like?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747018</id>
	<title>Real "boost" or just upgrades?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263316980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is this a real tech boost or just places finally needing upgrades? When Vista was found to be needless for both the consumer and business market, most consumers cut spending much in technology and businesses cut any jobs upgrading. When the recession hit, they still had little reason to upgrade. In previous years, major changes happened, compare the speed boost from a 1995 Pentium to a 1999 Pentium III. Now compare a Pentium Dual-Core to a Core 2 Duo, is there really that much of a difference in the 4 years between a 2006 Pentium Dual-Core and a Core 2 Duo? Yes, if you are a gamer it might make a lot of difference, but for most tasks, you wouldn't notice the extra speed, especially when comparing a Pentium to a Pentium III. So when the hardware is good enough, the upgraded software terrible, who wants to spend the money to upgrade? Now, new hardware advances combined with software people don't completely hate (Windows 7) is giving people reason to upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this a real tech boost or just places finally needing upgrades ?
When Vista was found to be needless for both the consumer and business market , most consumers cut spending much in technology and businesses cut any jobs upgrading .
When the recession hit , they still had little reason to upgrade .
In previous years , major changes happened , compare the speed boost from a 1995 Pentium to a 1999 Pentium III .
Now compare a Pentium Dual-Core to a Core 2 Duo , is there really that much of a difference in the 4 years between a 2006 Pentium Dual-Core and a Core 2 Duo ?
Yes , if you are a gamer it might make a lot of difference , but for most tasks , you would n't notice the extra speed , especially when comparing a Pentium to a Pentium III .
So when the hardware is good enough , the upgraded software terrible , who wants to spend the money to upgrade ?
Now , new hardware advances combined with software people do n't completely hate ( Windows 7 ) is giving people reason to upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this a real tech boost or just places finally needing upgrades?
When Vista was found to be needless for both the consumer and business market, most consumers cut spending much in technology and businesses cut any jobs upgrading.
When the recession hit, they still had little reason to upgrade.
In previous years, major changes happened, compare the speed boost from a 1995 Pentium to a 1999 Pentium III.
Now compare a Pentium Dual-Core to a Core 2 Duo, is there really that much of a difference in the 4 years between a 2006 Pentium Dual-Core and a Core 2 Duo?
Yes, if you are a gamer it might make a lot of difference, but for most tasks, you wouldn't notice the extra speed, especially when comparing a Pentium to a Pentium III.
So when the hardware is good enough, the upgraded software terrible, who wants to spend the money to upgrade?
Now, new hardware advances combined with software people don't completely hate (Windows 7) is giving people reason to upgrade.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747198</id>
	<title>Re:Real "boost" or just upgrades?</title>
	<author>Glonoinha</author>
	<datestamp>1263318540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hardware starts to die after a certain time (bathtub curve) and for laptops three years is pushing it pretty hard for hard drives and batteries.  Batteries are fairly easy to replace, but a hard drive crash on a laptop will cost a company way more in lost work than the cost of a new laptop.</p><p>That and at certain points, it's more cost effective to replace a computer with a faster computer - if a computer hardware upgrade means you can make 8 runs of a particular large batch process in the same time it used to take to do 3, and you can sell the proceeds of those extra 5 runs for $200 apiece - that computer pays for itself in one day.  Pretty simple math.</p><p>I've found that the biggest jump in the past four to six years is when machines (laptops specifically) went from single core to dual core.  Where a single core machine clocks when a single process gets busy - a dual core machine keeps on working.  But you're right - once you've cleared the SMP hurdle the progress in the last couple of years hasn't been overwhelming notable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardware starts to die after a certain time ( bathtub curve ) and for laptops three years is pushing it pretty hard for hard drives and batteries .
Batteries are fairly easy to replace , but a hard drive crash on a laptop will cost a company way more in lost work than the cost of a new laptop.That and at certain points , it 's more cost effective to replace a computer with a faster computer - if a computer hardware upgrade means you can make 8 runs of a particular large batch process in the same time it used to take to do 3 , and you can sell the proceeds of those extra 5 runs for $ 200 apiece - that computer pays for itself in one day .
Pretty simple math.I 've found that the biggest jump in the past four to six years is when machines ( laptops specifically ) went from single core to dual core .
Where a single core machine clocks when a single process gets busy - a dual core machine keeps on working .
But you 're right - once you 've cleared the SMP hurdle the progress in the last couple of years has n't been overwhelming notable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardware starts to die after a certain time (bathtub curve) and for laptops three years is pushing it pretty hard for hard drives and batteries.
Batteries are fairly easy to replace, but a hard drive crash on a laptop will cost a company way more in lost work than the cost of a new laptop.That and at certain points, it's more cost effective to replace a computer with a faster computer - if a computer hardware upgrade means you can make 8 runs of a particular large batch process in the same time it used to take to do 3, and you can sell the proceeds of those extra 5 runs for $200 apiece - that computer pays for itself in one day.
Pretty simple math.I've found that the biggest jump in the past four to six years is when machines (laptops specifically) went from single core to dual core.
Where a single core machine clocks when a single process gets busy - a dual core machine keeps on working.
But you're right - once you've cleared the SMP hurdle the progress in the last couple of years hasn't been overwhelming notable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747282</id>
	<title>The new reality.</title>
	<author>The Bastard</author>
	<datestamp>1263319440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think Forrester is being overly optimistic.  CIOs may be ready and willing to spend, but it does not mean the business (read: owner, CEO/Board, CFO) are going to jump on the bandwagon.  Each purchase/hire will need to undergo a serious cost-benefit evaluation, and the lowest possible dollar paid.  This is a result not only of the recession of the past year-plus, but also the very real and serious concerns businesses have of what upcoming legislation (and associated regulatory environments) is going to cost them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Forrester is being overly optimistic .
CIOs may be ready and willing to spend , but it does not mean the business ( read : owner , CEO/Board , CFO ) are going to jump on the bandwagon .
Each purchase/hire will need to undergo a serious cost-benefit evaluation , and the lowest possible dollar paid .
This is a result not only of the recession of the past year-plus , but also the very real and serious concerns businesses have of what upcoming legislation ( and associated regulatory environments ) is going to cost them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Forrester is being overly optimistic.
CIOs may be ready and willing to spend, but it does not mean the business (read: owner, CEO/Board, CFO) are going to jump on the bandwagon.
Each purchase/hire will need to undergo a serious cost-benefit evaluation, and the lowest possible dollar paid.
This is a result not only of the recession of the past year-plus, but also the very real and serious concerns businesses have of what upcoming legislation (and associated regulatory environments) is going to cost them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30749344</id>
	<title>Re:Real "boost" or just upgrades?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263391320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's more to tech than Intel x86 CPUs!</p><p>Yes, my desktop computer is for more purposes good enough - in the 1990s it seemed like a continual struggle to upgrade, and still not be as good as I'd want. Now I upgrade the desktop when something breaks.</p><p>But at the same time, in the last few years I've been buying a laptop, flat screen monitor, mp3 player, two phones. Other possible purchases include netbooks, media players, ebook readers. Add to that the continual income generated by broadband, mobile broadband and phone contracts.</p><p>Like any market, technology will mature, and growth in new areas are needed. But there's plenty of growth in "tech" yet. When these markets mature, there'll be yet new areas of technology. It's a bit like someone in the 70s asking if it's a real tech growth, because his TV and record player is good enough...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's more to tech than Intel x86 CPUs ! Yes , my desktop computer is for more purposes good enough - in the 1990s it seemed like a continual struggle to upgrade , and still not be as good as I 'd want .
Now I upgrade the desktop when something breaks.But at the same time , in the last few years I 've been buying a laptop , flat screen monitor , mp3 player , two phones .
Other possible purchases include netbooks , media players , ebook readers .
Add to that the continual income generated by broadband , mobile broadband and phone contracts.Like any market , technology will mature , and growth in new areas are needed .
But there 's plenty of growth in " tech " yet .
When these markets mature , there 'll be yet new areas of technology .
It 's a bit like someone in the 70s asking if it 's a real tech growth , because his TV and record player is good enough.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's more to tech than Intel x86 CPUs!Yes, my desktop computer is for more purposes good enough - in the 1990s it seemed like a continual struggle to upgrade, and still not be as good as I'd want.
Now I upgrade the desktop when something breaks.But at the same time, in the last few years I've been buying a laptop, flat screen monitor, mp3 player, two phones.
Other possible purchases include netbooks, media players, ebook readers.
Add to that the continual income generated by broadband, mobile broadband and phone contracts.Like any market, technology will mature, and growth in new areas are needed.
But there's plenty of growth in "tech" yet.
When these markets mature, there'll be yet new areas of technology.
It's a bit like someone in the 70s asking if it's a real tech growth, because his TV and record player is good enough...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30749526</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1263392940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn straight.</p><p>In a conversation with a (fairly honest) recruiter a while back, I asked him about the market for new grads, since I had friends who were just graduating and might want some referrals. He explained that any software guy with less than 3 years of experience was considered essentially impossible to place, because statistically most techies make their biggest mistakes in the first 3 years, and all employers know this. Well, about 3 years after that policy became the norm, for some reason a lot of tech firms are having a tough time finding qualified entry level applicants here in the US and are "forced" to look at oversees applicants.</p><p>Searches on Monster and the like will bear this out: most "entry-level" positions advertised require 3-5 years of experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn straight.In a conversation with a ( fairly honest ) recruiter a while back , I asked him about the market for new grads , since I had friends who were just graduating and might want some referrals .
He explained that any software guy with less than 3 years of experience was considered essentially impossible to place , because statistically most techies make their biggest mistakes in the first 3 years , and all employers know this .
Well , about 3 years after that policy became the norm , for some reason a lot of tech firms are having a tough time finding qualified entry level applicants here in the US and are " forced " to look at oversees applicants.Searches on Monster and the like will bear this out : most " entry-level " positions advertised require 3-5 years of experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn straight.In a conversation with a (fairly honest) recruiter a while back, I asked him about the market for new grads, since I had friends who were just graduating and might want some referrals.
He explained that any software guy with less than 3 years of experience was considered essentially impossible to place, because statistically most techies make their biggest mistakes in the first 3 years, and all employers know this.
Well, about 3 years after that policy became the norm, for some reason a lot of tech firms are having a tough time finding qualified entry level applicants here in the US and are "forced" to look at oversees applicants.Searches on Monster and the like will bear this out: most "entry-level" positions advertised require 3-5 years of experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30754308</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263413100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How exactly did the university lie to you five years ago when they were recruiting you?  Do you expect them to be omniscient?  If they were smarter than everybody else and could predict the way the job markets would go, then they wouldn't be in the teaching business and would instead be running an investment bank.  And even if they had known, it's still an absolute fact that having a degree correlates with better $s and a better employment rate than not having a degree.  Your specific situation is rough, but it doesn't mean you were lied to.</p><p>What I truly don't understand is why you appear to assume you'd have been better off if you didn't get the degree at all.  How would that help you compete?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How exactly did the university lie to you five years ago when they were recruiting you ?
Do you expect them to be omniscient ?
If they were smarter than everybody else and could predict the way the job markets would go , then they would n't be in the teaching business and would instead be running an investment bank .
And even if they had known , it 's still an absolute fact that having a degree correlates with better $ s and a better employment rate than not having a degree .
Your specific situation is rough , but it does n't mean you were lied to.What I truly do n't understand is why you appear to assume you 'd have been better off if you did n't get the degree at all .
How would that help you compete ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How exactly did the university lie to you five years ago when they were recruiting you?
Do you expect them to be omniscient?
If they were smarter than everybody else and could predict the way the job markets would go, then they wouldn't be in the teaching business and would instead be running an investment bank.
And even if they had known, it's still an absolute fact that having a degree correlates with better $s and a better employment rate than not having a degree.
Your specific situation is rough, but it doesn't mean you were lied to.What I truly don't understand is why you appear to assume you'd have been better off if you didn't get the degree at all.
How would that help you compete?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747866</id>
	<title>The beat goes on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263413040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given that economies have cycles, this is hardly groundbreaking, earth shattering news. Especially when you have companies like <a href="http://www.dubli.com/" title="dubli.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dubli.com/</a> [dubli.com] who have found a business model to sell tech products at superlow price - obviously leading to increased consumerism, and a happier economy. Why more people haven't noticed this site, I don't know. Even so, outside of that, it's good to hear that things are looking up again - I miss the boom days...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that economies have cycles , this is hardly groundbreaking , earth shattering news .
Especially when you have companies like http : //www.dubli.com/ [ dubli.com ] who have found a business model to sell tech products at superlow price - obviously leading to increased consumerism , and a happier economy .
Why more people have n't noticed this site , I do n't know .
Even so , outside of that , it 's good to hear that things are looking up again - I miss the boom days.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that economies have cycles, this is hardly groundbreaking, earth shattering news.
Especially when you have companies like http://www.dubli.com/ [dubli.com] who have found a business model to sell tech products at superlow price - obviously leading to increased consumerism, and a happier economy.
Why more people haven't noticed this site, I don't know.
Even so, outside of that, it's good to hear that things are looking up again - I miss the boom days...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747114</id>
	<title>now I see...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>now I see why that bill in the state legislature about recreational marijuana made that milestone.</p><p>man....it ain't over until the fat lady sings (or I, along with millions of other unemployed workers in the tech field get a job).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>now I see why that bill in the state legislature about recreational marijuana made that milestone.man....it ai n't over until the fat lady sings ( or I , along with millions of other unemployed workers in the tech field get a job ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now I see why that bill in the state legislature about recreational marijuana made that milestone.man....it ain't over until the fat lady sings (or I, along with millions of other unemployed workers in the tech field get a job).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30748808</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>indiechild</author>
	<datestamp>1263384900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, hang in there -- things will get better eventually. I graduated after the dotcom bust in 2002 so I found it pretty tough then as well. I must've sent out two hundred cover letters and job applications over the course of a year, it drove me nuts. You might have to work in another industry field for a while until things pick up. The web and tech industry is much more advanced these days, so I say now is the time to innovate and start new ventures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , hang in there -- things will get better eventually .
I graduated after the dotcom bust in 2002 so I found it pretty tough then as well .
I must 've sent out two hundred cover letters and job applications over the course of a year , it drove me nuts .
You might have to work in another industry field for a while until things pick up .
The web and tech industry is much more advanced these days , so I say now is the time to innovate and start new ventures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, hang in there -- things will get better eventually.
I graduated after the dotcom bust in 2002 so I found it pretty tough then as well.
I must've sent out two hundred cover letters and job applications over the course of a year, it drove me nuts.
You might have to work in another industry field for a while until things pick up.
The web and tech industry is much more advanced these days, so I say now is the time to innovate and start new ventures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30749342</id>
	<title>Over ?</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1263391320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then why are stock options being sold like crazy these days ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then why are stock options being sold like crazy these days ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then why are stock options being sold like crazy these days ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747708</id>
	<title>Re:Recovery?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263324180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What recovery?  Unlike earlier recessions where<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.coms or the subprime mortgage bubble got us out of, this one is not just a temporary item.  This is essentially permanent.  The US has no manufacturing capacity.  Without making goods that people will buy, what do you export, other than Britney Spears, securities, bullshit, and raw resources?  At best we are in for a lost decade, just like Japan and Europe.</p><p>Where is the money for a recovery?  The US bailed out the banks, and all that dough went offshore.  Since there is no production capacity this side of the pond, it takes going to offshore companies for anything and everything in every facet of product design.  Want a robot, go to Taiwan.  Want anodized aluminum cases, go to Beijing.  The FED prints money like no tomorrow, but all that does is ensure hyperinflation a la Zimbabwe or 1930s Germany is just around the corner.</p><p>[1]:  You can't even find basic metal tooling in the US.  I had to get a differential gear made for a custom tractor, and I ended up having to contract through Alibaba with a Chinese firm for such a simple item.  If US companies can't even machine something this basis, how is innovation and economic recovery ever to come our way?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What recovery ?
Unlike earlier recessions where .coms or the subprime mortgage bubble got us out of , this one is not just a temporary item .
This is essentially permanent .
The US has no manufacturing capacity .
Without making goods that people will buy , what do you export , other than Britney Spears , securities , bullshit , and raw resources ?
At best we are in for a lost decade , just like Japan and Europe.Where is the money for a recovery ?
The US bailed out the banks , and all that dough went offshore .
Since there is no production capacity this side of the pond , it takes going to offshore companies for anything and everything in every facet of product design .
Want a robot , go to Taiwan .
Want anodized aluminum cases , go to Beijing .
The FED prints money like no tomorrow , but all that does is ensure hyperinflation a la Zimbabwe or 1930s Germany is just around the corner .
[ 1 ] : You ca n't even find basic metal tooling in the US .
I had to get a differential gear made for a custom tractor , and I ended up having to contract through Alibaba with a Chinese firm for such a simple item .
If US companies ca n't even machine something this basis , how is innovation and economic recovery ever to come our way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What recovery?
Unlike earlier recessions where .coms or the subprime mortgage bubble got us out of, this one is not just a temporary item.
This is essentially permanent.
The US has no manufacturing capacity.
Without making goods that people will buy, what do you export, other than Britney Spears, securities, bullshit, and raw resources?
At best we are in for a lost decade, just like Japan and Europe.Where is the money for a recovery?
The US bailed out the banks, and all that dough went offshore.
Since there is no production capacity this side of the pond, it takes going to offshore companies for anything and everything in every facet of product design.
Want a robot, go to Taiwan.
Want anodized aluminum cases, go to Beijing.
The FED prints money like no tomorrow, but all that does is ensure hyperinflation a la Zimbabwe or 1930s Germany is just around the corner.
[1]:  You can't even find basic metal tooling in the US.
I had to get a differential gear made for a custom tractor, and I ended up having to contract through Alibaba with a Chinese firm for such a simple item.
If US companies can't even machine something this basis, how is innovation and economic recovery ever to come our way?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747538</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1263321960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably the same for at least 70\%, given most states have only a 15\% unemployment rate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably the same for at least 70 \ % , given most states have only a 15 \ % unemployment rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably the same for at least 70\%, given most states have only a 15\% unemployment rate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747172</id>
	<title>That was the top of this year ;-)</title>
	<author>anton\_kg</author>
	<datestamp>1263318420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some people predict a second lag down. I won't be surprised if the article has been published in highest point of this year.
Looking at VIX (scare factor) it could be the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people predict a second lag down .
I wo n't be surprised if the article has been published in highest point of this year .
Looking at VIX ( scare factor ) it could be the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people predict a second lag down.
I won't be surprised if the article has been published in highest point of this year.
Looking at VIX (scare factor) it could be the case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747528</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1263321780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's difficult, but we are starting to see retirements now so don't give up hope.</p><p>Our company is so short staffed on support that customer satisfaction is starting to edge down.</p><p>The baby boomers retire at an ever increasing rate for the next 15 years now.  In 10 years, 2 million extra people will retire a year (4 million total).</p><p>Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's difficult , but we are starting to see retirements now so do n't give up hope.Our company is so short staffed on support that customer satisfaction is starting to edge down.The baby boomers retire at an ever increasing rate for the next 15 years now .
In 10 years , 2 million extra people will retire a year ( 4 million total ) .Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's difficult, but we are starting to see retirements now so don't give up hope.Our company is so short staffed on support that customer satisfaction is starting to edge down.The baby boomers retire at an ever increasing rate for the next 15 years now.
In 10 years, 2 million extra people will retire a year (4 million total).Good luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30746840</id>
	<title>finding forrester?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you're the man now, dog!</htmltext>
<tokenext>you 're the man now , dog !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're the man now, dog!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747362</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Same here. I was unaffected, making $45K a year, putting into a 401K, getting decent health benefits while doing tech work for a bank (of all places) until I was laid off. We're now in mid-foreclosure. I'm getting a paid sh!t wage doing warranty repair work about 10 hours a week and it's the only work I've been able to find since I was laid off last May. I've got no health benefits, I cashed out my 401K and what was left kept us in this house long enough to learn that the bank wasn't going to work with us at all... and a year ago I was telling my laid off friends how rock solid my job was.

Things went down hill fast.

NotQuiteReal, you're making yourself sound like an ignorant, arrogant ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here .
I was unaffected , making $ 45K a year , putting into a 401K , getting decent health benefits while doing tech work for a bank ( of all places ) until I was laid off .
We 're now in mid-foreclosure .
I 'm getting a paid sh ! t wage doing warranty repair work about 10 hours a week and it 's the only work I 've been able to find since I was laid off last May .
I 've got no health benefits , I cashed out my 401K and what was left kept us in this house long enough to learn that the bank was n't going to work with us at all... and a year ago I was telling my laid off friends how rock solid my job was .
Things went down hill fast .
NotQuiteReal , you 're making yourself sound like an ignorant , arrogant ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here.
I was unaffected, making $45K a year, putting into a 401K, getting decent health benefits while doing tech work for a bank (of all places) until I was laid off.
We're now in mid-foreclosure.
I'm getting a paid sh!t wage doing warranty repair work about 10 hours a week and it's the only work I've been able to find since I was laid off last May.
I've got no health benefits, I cashed out my 401K and what was left kept us in this house long enough to learn that the bank wasn't going to work with us at all... and a year ago I was telling my laid off friends how rock solid my job was.
Things went down hill fast.
NotQuiteReal, you're making yourself sound like an ignorant, arrogant ass.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30751412</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263401700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will you all quit with that silly 'I'm just sayin' shit?</p><p>What is that all about? It sounds ignorant when typed out, as if you're trying to emulate something purposefully. Do realize you sound stupid by tagging that at the end of every other damned comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will you all quit with that silly 'I 'm just sayin ' shit ? What is that all about ?
It sounds ignorant when typed out , as if you 're trying to emulate something purposefully .
Do realize you sound stupid by tagging that at the end of every other damned comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will you all quit with that silly 'I'm just sayin' shit?What is that all about?
It sounds ignorant when typed out, as if you're trying to emulate something purposefully.
Do realize you sound stupid by tagging that at the end of every other damned comment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30748418</id>
	<title>Re:The beat goes on...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263378600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, at a quick glance it does almost look like real turf....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , at a quick glance it does almost look like real turf... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, at a quick glance it does almost look like real turf....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747158</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Low Ranked Craig</author>
	<datestamp>1263318300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "real" (u-6) unemployment rate is about 17.5\%, because the official rate only counts those looking for work.  So even if 17.5\% of all IT workers were laid off, 82.5\% still have their jobs, so yes, it is the same for "most".  I got axed along with a significant portion of my department (25\%) in May when they decided to outsource a lot of that work to India, but rather than collect unemployment or bitch about it I started my own company.  Head still above water...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " real " ( u-6 ) unemployment rate is about 17.5 \ % , because the official rate only counts those looking for work .
So even if 17.5 \ % of all IT workers were laid off , 82.5 \ % still have their jobs , so yes , it is the same for " most " .
I got axed along with a significant portion of my department ( 25 \ % ) in May when they decided to outsource a lot of that work to India , but rather than collect unemployment or bitch about it I started my own company .
Head still above water.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "real" (u-6) unemployment rate is about 17.5\%, because the official rate only counts those looking for work.
So even if 17.5\% of all IT workers were laid off, 82.5\% still have their jobs, so yes, it is the same for "most".
I got axed along with a significant portion of my department (25\%) in May when they decided to outsource a lot of that work to India, but rather than collect unemployment or bitch about it I started my own company.
Head still above water...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30748016</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263415860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly what I did under similar circumstances.  My business in still fledgling, but new clients every day.  Still keeping my eye out, but there certainly seems to be lots of people fighting over the same jobs, and salary offers aren't what you'd expect.  I'd love to see a tech surge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly what I did under similar circumstances .
My business in still fledgling , but new clients every day .
Still keeping my eye out , but there certainly seems to be lots of people fighting over the same jobs , and salary offers are n't what you 'd expect .
I 'd love to see a tech surge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly what I did under similar circumstances.
My business in still fledgling, but new clients every day.
Still keeping my eye out, but there certainly seems to be lots of people fighting over the same jobs, and salary offers aren't what you'd expect.
I'd love to see a tech surge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747012</id>
	<title>Yay for the second derivative!</title>
	<author>SlappyBastard</author>
	<datestamp>1263316980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now if only people could eat inflection points.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if only people could eat inflection points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if only people could eat inflection points.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30746816</id>
	<title>Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was never unemployed during this current downturn, and I am in tech.
<br>
<br>
Probably the same for most... I'm just sayin...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was never unemployed during this current downturn , and I am in tech .
Probably the same for most... I 'm just sayin.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was never unemployed during this current downturn, and I am in tech.
Probably the same for most... I'm just sayin...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747124</id>
	<title>Recovery?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The most likely alternative to our forecast that the U.S. and global IT markets will recover in 2010 is a faltering tech market due to a double-dip recession that returns in 2010 after a brief two- to three-quarter economic recovery," the report reads. "Should this happen, U.S. tech purchases would decline by 3\% to 4\% in 2010, with a second-half decline offsetting a first-half tech revival."</p> </div><p>Maybe if the economy has a double dip recession the politicians will learn that their stimulus plans and the continued inflationary policy of the Fed are bad ideas. By then I think it will be too late, the dollar is on a fast pace to destruction. Perhaps that's Obama's job creation plan, debase the currency so much that it will be too expensive to outsource to Indian and Russian labor. Delaying a market correction will only make it worse, Government intervention cause and prolonged the Great Depression.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The most likely alternative to our forecast that the U.S. and global IT markets will recover in 2010 is a faltering tech market due to a double-dip recession that returns in 2010 after a brief two- to three-quarter economic recovery , " the report reads .
" Should this happen , U.S. tech purchases would decline by 3 \ % to 4 \ % in 2010 , with a second-half decline offsetting a first-half tech revival .
" Maybe if the economy has a double dip recession the politicians will learn that their stimulus plans and the continued inflationary policy of the Fed are bad ideas .
By then I think it will be too late , the dollar is on a fast pace to destruction .
Perhaps that 's Obama 's job creation plan , debase the currency so much that it will be too expensive to outsource to Indian and Russian labor .
Delaying a market correction will only make it worse , Government intervention cause and prolonged the Great Depression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The most likely alternative to our forecast that the U.S. and global IT markets will recover in 2010 is a faltering tech market due to a double-dip recession that returns in 2010 after a brief two- to three-quarter economic recovery," the report reads.
"Should this happen, U.S. tech purchases would decline by 3\% to 4\% in 2010, with a second-half decline offsetting a first-half tech revival.
" Maybe if the economy has a double dip recession the politicians will learn that their stimulus plans and the continued inflationary policy of the Fed are bad ideas.
By then I think it will be too late, the dollar is on a fast pace to destruction.
Perhaps that's Obama's job creation plan, debase the currency so much that it will be too expensive to outsource to Indian and Russian labor.
Delaying a market correction will only make it worse, Government intervention cause and prolonged the Great Depression.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30746952</id>
	<title>Still unemployed</title>
	<author>lpaul55</author>
	<datestamp>1263316380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this mean I'll get a job this year?</p><p>The tech jobs market in Boston does feel less dead now than it did for most of 2009.  I entered the job market in April and it was six months before I had an interview.  Now I've had three in three months.  It's tricky to extrapolate from those data points to locate a job offer but it does give me hope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean I 'll get a job this year ? The tech jobs market in Boston does feel less dead now than it did for most of 2009 .
I entered the job market in April and it was six months before I had an interview .
Now I 've had three in three months .
It 's tricky to extrapolate from those data points to locate a job offer but it does give me hope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean I'll get a job this year?The tech jobs market in Boston does feel less dead now than it did for most of 2009.
I entered the job market in April and it was six months before I had an interview.
Now I've had three in three months.
It's tricky to extrapolate from those data points to locate a job offer but it does give me hope.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747880</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>pwizard2</author>
	<datestamp>1263413340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You know, I hear this sort of complaint a lot, but honestly I don't feel too sorry for people who are unemployed and not actually looking. It's not THAT hard to send out a resume once a month or so.</p></div></blockquote><p>

If you have an established career, then it's merely difficult (but not impossible) to find a good job these days. New grads have it worse than everyone else in this economy... not only do they have to compete with each other, but they also have to compete with hordes of other people who have years of experience and are clamoring for the same jobs as the grads  because they are desperate. I was told that a degree would give me a huge advantage, only to graduate right in time for this huge recession. (or minor depression, depending on who you talk to) I blame the university for lying to me just as much as I blame myself for actually believing them.  New grads can send out a million resumes for all the good it would do, and it's  not going to make much of a difference if there's a huge glut of unemployed workers with real-world experience on the job market. It's easy to lose hope and stop trying after 6 months or more of no results. These days, employers have all the advantages and can afford to be choosy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I hear this sort of complaint a lot , but honestly I do n't feel too sorry for people who are unemployed and not actually looking .
It 's not THAT hard to send out a resume once a month or so .
If you have an established career , then it 's merely difficult ( but not impossible ) to find a good job these days .
New grads have it worse than everyone else in this economy... not only do they have to compete with each other , but they also have to compete with hordes of other people who have years of experience and are clamoring for the same jobs as the grads because they are desperate .
I was told that a degree would give me a huge advantage , only to graduate right in time for this huge recession .
( or minor depression , depending on who you talk to ) I blame the university for lying to me just as much as I blame myself for actually believing them .
New grads can send out a million resumes for all the good it would do , and it 's not going to make much of a difference if there 's a huge glut of unemployed workers with real-world experience on the job market .
It 's easy to lose hope and stop trying after 6 months or more of no results .
These days , employers have all the advantages and can afford to be choosy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I hear this sort of complaint a lot, but honestly I don't feel too sorry for people who are unemployed and not actually looking.
It's not THAT hard to send out a resume once a month or so.
If you have an established career, then it's merely difficult (but not impossible) to find a good job these days.
New grads have it worse than everyone else in this economy... not only do they have to compete with each other, but they also have to compete with hordes of other people who have years of experience and are clamoring for the same jobs as the grads  because they are desperate.
I was told that a degree would give me a huge advantage, only to graduate right in time for this huge recession.
(or minor depression, depending on who you talk to) I blame the university for lying to me just as much as I blame myself for actually believing them.
New grads can send out a million resumes for all the good it would do, and it's  not going to make much of a difference if there's a huge glut of unemployed workers with real-world experience on the job market.
It's easy to lose hope and stop trying after 6 months or more of no results.
These days, employers have all the advantages and can afford to be choosy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30749796</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263394740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>9 out of 10 people are still working. Let me know when that gets to 5.</htmltext>
<tokenext>9 out of 10 people are still working .
Let me know when that gets to 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>9 out of 10 people are still working.
Let me know when that gets to 5.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30754706</id>
	<title>Re:Real "boost" or just upgrades?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1263414480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>if a computer hardware upgrade means you can make 8 runs of a particular large batch process in the same time it used to take to do 3, and you can sell the proceeds of those extra 5 runs for $200 apiece - that computer pays for itself in one day. Pretty simple math.</p></div></blockquote><p>How common is that scenario, especially on a laptop?  Most computers in business spend more CPU cycles waiting for user input than they do processing.</p></div>
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<tokenext>if a computer hardware upgrade means you can make 8 runs of a particular large batch process in the same time it used to take to do 3 , and you can sell the proceeds of those extra 5 runs for $ 200 apiece - that computer pays for itself in one day .
Pretty simple math.How common is that scenario , especially on a laptop ?
Most computers in business spend more CPU cycles waiting for user input than they do processing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if a computer hardware upgrade means you can make 8 runs of a particular large batch process in the same time it used to take to do 3, and you can sell the proceeds of those extra 5 runs for $200 apiece - that computer pays for itself in one day.
Pretty simple math.How common is that scenario, especially on a laptop?
Most computers in business spend more CPU cycles waiting for user input than they do processing.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30748374</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1263378120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in your position when I graduated, there had been a real dip so all the poor jobs figured I'd jump as soon as conditions got better (honestly, not such a bad guess) and the good jobs always found someone with a bit of real-life experience who they didn't have to "train" to be a worker instead of a student. I know it's not a help right now, but trust me once you do have a few years experience that education will pull you out of the ranks and into senior positions. I was interviewing recently for a job and the CFO (100 man company) commented that he had a great deal of respect for my degree, even though it's 7 years since I graduated. And I got the job too, though in my case I'm just looking for a better job in an economy that is recovering much better than the US one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in your position when I graduated , there had been a real dip so all the poor jobs figured I 'd jump as soon as conditions got better ( honestly , not such a bad guess ) and the good jobs always found someone with a bit of real-life experience who they did n't have to " train " to be a worker instead of a student .
I know it 's not a help right now , but trust me once you do have a few years experience that education will pull you out of the ranks and into senior positions .
I was interviewing recently for a job and the CFO ( 100 man company ) commented that he had a great deal of respect for my degree , even though it 's 7 years since I graduated .
And I got the job too , though in my case I 'm just looking for a better job in an economy that is recovering much better than the US one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in your position when I graduated, there had been a real dip so all the poor jobs figured I'd jump as soon as conditions got better (honestly, not such a bad guess) and the good jobs always found someone with a bit of real-life experience who they didn't have to "train" to be a worker instead of a student.
I know it's not a help right now, but trust me once you do have a few years experience that education will pull you out of the ranks and into senior positions.
I was interviewing recently for a job and the CFO (100 man company) commented that he had a great deal of respect for my degree, even though it's 7 years since I graduated.
And I got the job too, though in my case I'm just looking for a better job in an economy that is recovering much better than the US one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747996</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263415680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well.... ffffuuuuuckckkkk yyoooouuuuu  !!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>They cut</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well.... ffffuuuuuckckkkk yyoooouuuuu ! ! !
: ) They cut</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well.... ffffuuuuuckckkkk yyoooouuuuu  !!!
:)They cut</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30749808</id>
	<title>"Real progress" from the second derivative!</title>
	<author>KWTm</author>
	<datestamp>1263394800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Yay for the second derivative!  Now if only people could eat inflection points.</p></div></blockquote><p>Point taken!  It reminds me of this poster we had in our test lab where I first worked:</p><p>(in big bold letters)<br>We're making REAL PROGRESS!</p><p>(in much smaller letters underneath)<br>Things are getting worse at a slower rate.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Yay for the second derivative !
Now if only people could eat inflection points.Point taken !
It reminds me of this poster we had in our test lab where I first worked : ( in big bold letters ) We 're making REAL PROGRESS !
( in much smaller letters underneath ) Things are getting worse at a slower rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yay for the second derivative!
Now if only people could eat inflection points.Point taken!
It reminds me of this poster we had in our test lab where I first worked:(in big bold letters)We're making REAL PROGRESS!
(in much smaller letters underneath)Things are getting worse at a slower rate.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30749266</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Bill Dog</author>
	<datestamp>1263390420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>zmollusc speakum de truth, at least in programming you're "senior" by the time you have 3-5 years of experience, and after 10 years few will look at you, with the assumption that you're too high-priced. It's basically like being a pop star -- you're struggling now to get noticed, and when you finally do, for a short period of time you'll be in high demand and your income will rise dramatically, but then soon you'll be yesterday's news, assumed no longer hip to the latest trends. So take some comfort that your brief flash of employability and good times will eventually come, because they sure haven't been hiring people like me with 10-15 years this past year. In perceived value, cheap &gt; experienced, in this industry, and that's what you have going for you right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>zmollusc speakum de truth , at least in programming you 're " senior " by the time you have 3-5 years of experience , and after 10 years few will look at you , with the assumption that you 're too high-priced .
It 's basically like being a pop star -- you 're struggling now to get noticed , and when you finally do , for a short period of time you 'll be in high demand and your income will rise dramatically , but then soon you 'll be yesterday 's news , assumed no longer hip to the latest trends .
So take some comfort that your brief flash of employability and good times will eventually come , because they sure have n't been hiring people like me with 10-15 years this past year .
In perceived value , cheap &gt; experienced , in this industry , and that 's what you have going for you right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>zmollusc speakum de truth, at least in programming you're "senior" by the time you have 3-5 years of experience, and after 10 years few will look at you, with the assumption that you're too high-priced.
It's basically like being a pop star -- you're struggling now to get noticed, and when you finally do, for a short period of time you'll be in high demand and your income will rise dramatically, but then soon you'll be yesterday's news, assumed no longer hip to the latest trends.
So take some comfort that your brief flash of employability and good times will eventually come, because they sure haven't been hiring people like me with 10-15 years this past year.
In perceived value, cheap &gt; experienced, in this industry, and that's what you have going for you right now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747674</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, I hear this sort of complaint a lot, but honestly I don't feel too sorry for people who are unemployed and not actually looking.  It's not THAT hard to send out a resume once a month or so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I hear this sort of complaint a lot , but honestly I do n't feel too sorry for people who are unemployed and not actually looking .
It 's not THAT hard to send out a resume once a month or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I hear this sort of complaint a lot, but honestly I don't feel too sorry for people who are unemployed and not actually looking.
It's not THAT hard to send out a resume once a month or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747122</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>An economic downturn only affects those who get laid off... <br> <br>Or don't get bonuses, or don't get the resources/personnel/equipment they need, or entrepreneurs... <br> <br>I wasn't affected by the recession until I was laid off, awesome how that works, eh? It's a boolean state, either you're employed and not feeling the effects, or you're not employed and can't get a new job at the same level as before, or do get one, but get picked out of far more applicants than before. At which point, your boolean downturn.effect() is reset to zero.</htmltext>
<tokenext>An economic downturn only affects those who get laid off... Or do n't get bonuses , or do n't get the resources/personnel/equipment they need , or entrepreneurs... I was n't affected by the recession until I was laid off , awesome how that works , eh ?
It 's a boolean state , either you 're employed and not feeling the effects , or you 're not employed and ca n't get a new job at the same level as before , or do get one , but get picked out of far more applicants than before .
At which point , your boolean downturn.effect ( ) is reset to zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An economic downturn only affects those who get laid off...  Or don't get bonuses, or don't get the resources/personnel/equipment they need, or entrepreneurs...  I wasn't affected by the recession until I was laid off, awesome how that works, eh?
It's a boolean state, either you're employed and not feeling the effects, or you're not employed and can't get a new job at the same level as before, or do get one, but get picked out of far more applicants than before.
At which point, your boolean downturn.effect() is reset to zero.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30751160</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263400800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You may want to consider, changing the world, strike it out on your own. You are at the best time to do so. If I could do it over again, I would have asked my parents to put up with me a little longer for some room and board, I would have asked my richer relatives to invest in my idea and I would have built something that would have generated reoccurring revenue for myself. It is so clear how easy it is after the opportunity window has passed, when you look back on it with the lenses of experience. I finally did just that in my 30's and with kids which made it all the more scary but I was tired of being kicked around. I have never looked back. Not only did I do that but I made a name for myself. Now I beat the offers away, for top positions with big names.</p><p>No one changes your situation but you, no matter what anyone promises you, this will always be true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You may want to consider , changing the world , strike it out on your own .
You are at the best time to do so .
If I could do it over again , I would have asked my parents to put up with me a little longer for some room and board , I would have asked my richer relatives to invest in my idea and I would have built something that would have generated reoccurring revenue for myself .
It is so clear how easy it is after the opportunity window has passed , when you look back on it with the lenses of experience .
I finally did just that in my 30 's and with kids which made it all the more scary but I was tired of being kicked around .
I have never looked back .
Not only did I do that but I made a name for myself .
Now I beat the offers away , for top positions with big names.No one changes your situation but you , no matter what anyone promises you , this will always be true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may want to consider, changing the world, strike it out on your own.
You are at the best time to do so.
If I could do it over again, I would have asked my parents to put up with me a little longer for some room and board, I would have asked my richer relatives to invest in my idea and I would have built something that would have generated reoccurring revenue for myself.
It is so clear how easy it is after the opportunity window has passed, when you look back on it with the lenses of experience.
I finally did just that in my 30's and with kids which made it all the more scary but I was tired of being kicked around.
I have never looked back.
Not only did I do that but I made a name for myself.
Now I beat the offers away, for top positions with big names.No one changes your situation but you, no matter what anyone promises you, this will always be true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30746950</id>
	<title>Soup is good food</title>
	<author>t0qer</author>
	<datestamp>1263316380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quoting Soup is good food by the dead kennedys;</p><p>We're sorry<br>You'll just have to leave<br>Unemployment runs out after just six weeks<br>How does it feel to be a budget cut?<br>You're snipped<br>You no longer exist</p><p>Your number's been purged from our central computer<br>So we can rig the facts<br>And sweep you under the rug<br>See our chart? Unemployment's going down<br>If that ruins your life that's your problem</p><p>=====</p><p>I guess it's going up, depending on who's perspective you see it from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quoting Soup is good food by the dead kennedys ; We 're sorryYou 'll just have to leaveUnemployment runs out after just six weeksHow does it feel to be a budget cut ? You 're snippedYou no longer existYour number 's been purged from our central computerSo we can rig the factsAnd sweep you under the rugSee our chart ?
Unemployment 's going downIf that ruins your life that 's your problem = = = = = I guess it 's going up , depending on who 's perspective you see it from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quoting Soup is good food by the dead kennedys;We're sorryYou'll just have to leaveUnemployment runs out after just six weeksHow does it feel to be a budget cut?You're snippedYou no longer existYour number's been purged from our central computerSo we can rig the factsAnd sweep you under the rugSee our chart?
Unemployment's going downIf that ruins your life that's your problem=====I guess it's going up, depending on who's perspective you see it from.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30751484</id>
	<title>"IT" covers a lot of ground...</title>
	<author>rnturn</author>
	<datestamp>1263402000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... and I didn't see anything in the article that led me to believe that this upturn wouldn't just be an increase in business for hardware and software vendors. Most people working in "IT" work for other types of businesses. That hardware manufacturers and software development companies are going to see improvement is great but that's only a small part of the business environment that involves "IT".

</p><p>I suspect that what Forrester is seeing is that a lot of companies may be, at long last, planning on opening up the purse strings to go out and buy the equipment and software for projects that have been on hold for a long time. Good news for the Dells, HPs, and Microsofts of the world. Call me pessimistic, but I also suspect that they'll be executing those projects with existing employees and some contractors (as needed) rather than adding actual FTEs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... and I did n't see anything in the article that led me to believe that this upturn would n't just be an increase in business for hardware and software vendors .
Most people working in " IT " work for other types of businesses .
That hardware manufacturers and software development companies are going to see improvement is great but that 's only a small part of the business environment that involves " IT " .
I suspect that what Forrester is seeing is that a lot of companies may be , at long last , planning on opening up the purse strings to go out and buy the equipment and software for projects that have been on hold for a long time .
Good news for the Dells , HPs , and Microsofts of the world .
Call me pessimistic , but I also suspect that they 'll be executing those projects with existing employees and some contractors ( as needed ) rather than adding actual FTEs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and I didn't see anything in the article that led me to believe that this upturn wouldn't just be an increase in business for hardware and software vendors.
Most people working in "IT" work for other types of businesses.
That hardware manufacturers and software development companies are going to see improvement is great but that's only a small part of the business environment that involves "IT".
I suspect that what Forrester is seeing is that a lot of companies may be, at long last, planning on opening up the purse strings to go out and buy the equipment and software for projects that have been on hold for a long time.
Good news for the Dells, HPs, and Microsofts of the world.
Call me pessimistic, but I also suspect that they'll be executing those projects with existing employees and some contractors (as needed) rather than adding actual FTEs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30746972</id>
	<title>"unofficially"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263316560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What makes it official? Netcraft?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes it official ?
Netcraft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes it official?
Netcraft?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747102</id>
	<title>Tech whining</title>
	<author>Singularity42</author>
	<datestamp>1263317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tech workers are comparable well payed and in a good position.  Haiti had a sudden downturn--that's real problems.  Perspective and all until we all hit Singularity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tech workers are comparable well payed and in a good position .
Haiti had a sudden downturn--that 's real problems .
Perspective and all until we all hit Singularity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tech workers are comparable well payed and in a good position.
Haiti had a sudden downturn--that's real problems.
Perspective and all until we all hit Singularity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747042</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>travisb828</author>
	<datestamp>1263317220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had a 2\% cut in staff at the end of 2008.  The 2\% came from early retirement and not replacing people.  There were a few small departments that were eliminated. Some of the people were absorbed into other departments, but not all.  We haven't really added any FTE to our head count, but we have gone through a few contractors.</p><p>There were some other cuts.  No company picnic at 6 flags in 2009.  The holiday dinner at a nice steak house was moved to a less pricey Italian restaurant.  Our company is spread out and travel was drastically cut.  When we did travel the trips were very short.</p><p>I didn't loose my job, and I bought a new car in 2009.  However, I know a few of those contractors would have like to stayed around longer after their contracts expired.  Instead of hiring 10 people at the start of 2010, my boss is being told that she has to wait until Q3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had a 2 \ % cut in staff at the end of 2008 .
The 2 \ % came from early retirement and not replacing people .
There were a few small departments that were eliminated .
Some of the people were absorbed into other departments , but not all .
We have n't really added any FTE to our head count , but we have gone through a few contractors.There were some other cuts .
No company picnic at 6 flags in 2009 .
The holiday dinner at a nice steak house was moved to a less pricey Italian restaurant .
Our company is spread out and travel was drastically cut .
When we did travel the trips were very short.I did n't loose my job , and I bought a new car in 2009 .
However , I know a few of those contractors would have like to stayed around longer after their contracts expired .
Instead of hiring 10 people at the start of 2010 , my boss is being told that she has to wait until Q3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had a 2\% cut in staff at the end of 2008.
The 2\% came from early retirement and not replacing people.
There were a few small departments that were eliminated.
Some of the people were absorbed into other departments, but not all.
We haven't really added any FTE to our head count, but we have gone through a few contractors.There were some other cuts.
No company picnic at 6 flags in 2009.
The holiday dinner at a nice steak house was moved to a less pricey Italian restaurant.
Our company is spread out and travel was drastically cut.
When we did travel the trips were very short.I didn't loose my job, and I bought a new car in 2009.
However, I know a few of those contractors would have like to stayed around longer after their contracts expired.
Instead of hiring 10 people at the start of 2010, my boss is being told that she has to wait until Q3.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30776266</id>
	<title>REAL BOOSTS EXIST, &amp; in work-related tasks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263546540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"Now compare a Pentium Dual-Core to a Core 2 Duo, is there really that much of a difference in the 4 years between a 2006 Pentium Dual-Core and a Core 2 Duo? Yes, if you are a gamer it might make a lot of difference, but for most tasks, you wouldn't notice the extra speed, especially when comparing a Pentium to a Pentium III."</b> - by Darkness404 (1287218) on Tuesday January 12, @11:23PM (#30747018)</p></div><p>Actually, there's QUITE THE DIFFERENCE, between a 2006 AMD Athlon X2 4800+ 2400mhz dual core CPU &amp; an INTEL Core I7 920 2600mhz quad core CPU (&amp; not just in gaming, but in actual "real world" work-oriented tasks - which is what the I7 series by INTEL was noted mostly for as far as where it improved on tasks it was known to be beneficial for).</p><p>I personally have seen it during heavy string processing oriented tasks!</p><p>(E.G.-&gt; I built an app named "APK HOSTS File Grinder 4.0++" that removes duplicates from a HOSTS file, &amp; no matter how much I optimized @ the code level via compiler optimizations + algorithmic improvements as best I could &amp; inline assembly code insertions via the asm directive possible in Delphi)</p><p>I used Borland Delphi, because it happens to be one of, if not THE fastest, programming language &amp; especially @ string &amp; math processing levels out there (which is why I elected to use it to do the job in fact, because as far back as 1997, Delphi was shown to have KNOCKED THE CHOCOLATE out of even MSVC++ &amp; certainly VB5 when in "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" Sept./Oct. 1997 issue entitled "Inside the VB5 Compiler" Delphi absolutely BLEW AWAY BOTH MSVC++ &amp;/or VB5 by DOUBLE in both STRINGS &amp; MATH PROCESSING TESTS... &amp; EVERY PROGRAM DOES THOSE no less mind you)</p><p>Anyways/anyhow - After my doing a "primitive profiling" of its code via hi-res multimedia timers firing @ the start of my procedures/subroutines/methods, &amp; terminating them @ the end of said subs/procs/methods (finding the difference &amp; working on the slowest of them all)? At the end, the best I could do the job on approximately 655,500 entries in a HOSTS file was roughly 4 hours to do a removal of duplicated entries from said HOSTS files on the AMD 4800+ dual core CPU (down from 4.5 hours after my profiling &amp; optimizing @ the code level)...</p><p>However, when I picked up the Intel Core i7 quad core CPU??  It alone took the job down from that 4 hr. runtime, down to less than 1 hr. of runtime...</p><p>(That's a 400\% decrease in runtime, or rather, a 400\% increase in speed of processing, in other words... from a hardware change @ the CPU level alone!)</p><p>There is QUITE the difference between a CPU from 2006 to those released in 2009 my friend, &amp; it exists @ the "ACTUAL WORK RELATED TASKS LEVEL", not just in gaming...</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; One of the MAIN "selling points" by INTEL regarding their newest/latest-greatest CPU's has been touted as increasing power/speed @ the ACTUAL WORK RELATED TASKS LEVEL, &amp; based on my testing in said area? They were not kidding... it's QUITE the increase, &amp; I've literally SEEN IT, myself, via the example shown above... just some "FYI" for you, comparing CPU's from 2006 to those released in 2009, &amp; not in gaming, but rather in work-related processing type tasks! apk</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Now compare a Pentium Dual-Core to a Core 2 Duo , is there really that much of a difference in the 4 years between a 2006 Pentium Dual-Core and a Core 2 Duo ?
Yes , if you are a gamer it might make a lot of difference , but for most tasks , you would n't notice the extra speed , especially when comparing a Pentium to a Pentium III .
" - by Darkness404 ( 1287218 ) on Tuesday January 12 , @ 11 : 23PM ( # 30747018 ) Actually , there 's QUITE THE DIFFERENCE , between a 2006 AMD Athlon X2 4800 + 2400mhz dual core CPU &amp; an INTEL Core I7 920 2600mhz quad core CPU ( &amp; not just in gaming , but in actual " real world " work-oriented tasks - which is what the I7 series by INTEL was noted mostly for as far as where it improved on tasks it was known to be beneficial for ) .I personally have seen it during heavy string processing oriented tasks !
( E.G.- &gt; I built an app named " APK HOSTS File Grinder 4.0 + + " that removes duplicates from a HOSTS file , &amp; no matter how much I optimized @ the code level via compiler optimizations + algorithmic improvements as best I could &amp; inline assembly code insertions via the asm directive possible in Delphi ) I used Borland Delphi , because it happens to be one of , if not THE fastest , programming language &amp; especially @ string &amp; math processing levels out there ( which is why I elected to use it to do the job in fact , because as far back as 1997 , Delphi was shown to have KNOCKED THE CHOCOLATE out of even MSVC + + &amp; certainly VB5 when in " Visual Basic Programmer 's Journal " Sept./Oct .
1997 issue entitled " Inside the VB5 Compiler " Delphi absolutely BLEW AWAY BOTH MSVC + + &amp;/or VB5 by DOUBLE in both STRINGS &amp; MATH PROCESSING TESTS... &amp; EVERY PROGRAM DOES THOSE no less mind you ) Anyways/anyhow - After my doing a " primitive profiling " of its code via hi-res multimedia timers firing @ the start of my procedures/subroutines/methods , &amp; terminating them @ the end of said subs/procs/methods ( finding the difference &amp; working on the slowest of them all ) ?
At the end , the best I could do the job on approximately 655,500 entries in a HOSTS file was roughly 4 hours to do a removal of duplicated entries from said HOSTS files on the AMD 4800 + dual core CPU ( down from 4.5 hours after my profiling &amp; optimizing @ the code level ) ...However , when I picked up the Intel Core i7 quad core CPU ? ?
It alone took the job down from that 4 hr .
runtime , down to less than 1 hr .
of runtime... ( That 's a 400 \ % decrease in runtime , or rather , a 400 \ % increase in speed of processing , in other words... from a hardware change @ the CPU level alone !
) There is QUITE the difference between a CPU from 2006 to those released in 2009 my friend , &amp; it exists @ the " ACTUAL WORK RELATED TASKS LEVEL " , not just in gaming...APKP.S. = &gt; One of the MAIN " selling points " by INTEL regarding their newest/latest-greatest CPU 's has been touted as increasing power/speed @ the ACTUAL WORK RELATED TASKS LEVEL , &amp; based on my testing in said area ?
They were not kidding... it 's QUITE the increase , &amp; I 've literally SEEN IT , myself , via the example shown above... just some " FYI " for you , comparing CPU 's from 2006 to those released in 2009 , &amp; not in gaming , but rather in work-related processing type tasks !
apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Now compare a Pentium Dual-Core to a Core 2 Duo, is there really that much of a difference in the 4 years between a 2006 Pentium Dual-Core and a Core 2 Duo?
Yes, if you are a gamer it might make a lot of difference, but for most tasks, you wouldn't notice the extra speed, especially when comparing a Pentium to a Pentium III.
" - by Darkness404 (1287218) on Tuesday January 12, @11:23PM (#30747018)Actually, there's QUITE THE DIFFERENCE, between a 2006 AMD Athlon X2 4800+ 2400mhz dual core CPU &amp; an INTEL Core I7 920 2600mhz quad core CPU (&amp; not just in gaming, but in actual "real world" work-oriented tasks - which is what the I7 series by INTEL was noted mostly for as far as where it improved on tasks it was known to be beneficial for).I personally have seen it during heavy string processing oriented tasks!
(E.G.-&gt; I built an app named "APK HOSTS File Grinder 4.0++" that removes duplicates from a HOSTS file, &amp; no matter how much I optimized @ the code level via compiler optimizations + algorithmic improvements as best I could &amp; inline assembly code insertions via the asm directive possible in Delphi)I used Borland Delphi, because it happens to be one of, if not THE fastest, programming language &amp; especially @ string &amp; math processing levels out there (which is why I elected to use it to do the job in fact, because as far back as 1997, Delphi was shown to have KNOCKED THE CHOCOLATE out of even MSVC++ &amp; certainly VB5 when in "Visual Basic Programmer's Journal" Sept./Oct.
1997 issue entitled "Inside the VB5 Compiler" Delphi absolutely BLEW AWAY BOTH MSVC++ &amp;/or VB5 by DOUBLE in both STRINGS &amp; MATH PROCESSING TESTS... &amp; EVERY PROGRAM DOES THOSE no less mind you)Anyways/anyhow - After my doing a "primitive profiling" of its code via hi-res multimedia timers firing @ the start of my procedures/subroutines/methods, &amp; terminating them @ the end of said subs/procs/methods (finding the difference &amp; working on the slowest of them all)?
At the end, the best I could do the job on approximately 655,500 entries in a HOSTS file was roughly 4 hours to do a removal of duplicated entries from said HOSTS files on the AMD 4800+ dual core CPU (down from 4.5 hours after my profiling &amp; optimizing @ the code level)...However, when I picked up the Intel Core i7 quad core CPU??
It alone took the job down from that 4 hr.
runtime, down to less than 1 hr.
of runtime...(That's a 400\% decrease in runtime, or rather, a 400\% increase in speed of processing, in other words... from a hardware change @ the CPU level alone!
)There is QUITE the difference between a CPU from 2006 to those released in 2009 my friend, &amp; it exists @ the "ACTUAL WORK RELATED TASKS LEVEL", not just in gaming...APKP.S.=&gt; One of the MAIN "selling points" by INTEL regarding their newest/latest-greatest CPU's has been touted as increasing power/speed @ the ACTUAL WORK RELATED TASKS LEVEL, &amp; based on my testing in said area?
They were not kidding... it's QUITE the increase, &amp; I've literally SEEN IT, myself, via the example shown above... just some "FYI" for you, comparing CPU's from 2006 to those released in 2009, &amp; not in gaming, but rather in work-related processing type tasks!
apk
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	<title>Re:Recovery?</title>
	<author>jeff4747</author>
	<datestamp>1263404760000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>their stimulus plans and the continued inflationary policy of the Fed are bad ideas</p></div></blockquote><p>They'd be bad ideas if there wasn't high unemployment and similar problems.  Those are creating deflationary pressure.  You combat that with inflationary policy, because 10\% inflation is infinitely better for the economy that 1\% deflation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>their stimulus plans and the continued inflationary policy of the Fed are bad ideasThey 'd be bad ideas if there was n't high unemployment and similar problems .
Those are creating deflationary pressure .
You combat that with inflationary policy , because 10 \ % inflation is infinitely better for the economy that 1 \ % deflation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>their stimulus plans and the continued inflationary policy of the Fed are bad ideasThey'd be bad ideas if there wasn't high unemployment and similar problems.
Those are creating deflationary pressure.
You combat that with inflationary policy, because 10\% inflation is infinitely better for the economy that 1\% deflation.
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	<title>That's nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263316140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're in sales that's great, but the IT employee pool has become so diluted that it's getting harder and harder to find a good paying job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're in sales that 's great , but the IT employee pool has become so diluted that it 's getting harder and harder to find a good paying job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're in sales that's great, but the IT employee pool has become so diluted that it's getting harder and harder to find a good paying job.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30747522</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263321780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I was never unemployed during this current downturn, and I am in tech.
<br>
<br>
Probably the same for most... I'm just sayin...</p></div><p>Well I'm just absolutely fucking happy you've managed to make it through the storm.  Some of us haven't you incensitive asshole.  I'm so glad you kept your job and I love when ass clowns tell me how they kept their jobs.  I hate to do this because I love Slashdot, but Fuck off and die.  Thanks for worrying about your other thousands of colleagues that didn't get the same treatment as you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I was never unemployed during this current downturn , and I am in tech .
Probably the same for most... I 'm just sayin...Well I 'm just absolutely fucking happy you 've managed to make it through the storm .
Some of us have n't you incensitive asshole .
I 'm so glad you kept your job and I love when ass clowns tell me how they kept their jobs .
I hate to do this because I love Slashdot , but Fuck off and die .
Thanks for worrying about your other thousands of colleagues that did n't get the same treatment as you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was never unemployed during this current downturn, and I am in tech.
Probably the same for most... I'm just sayin...Well I'm just absolutely fucking happy you've managed to make it through the storm.
Some of us haven't you incensitive asshole.
I'm so glad you kept your job and I love when ass clowns tell me how they kept their jobs.
I hate to do this because I love Slashdot, but Fuck off and die.
Thanks for worrying about your other thousands of colleagues that didn't get the same treatment as you.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0319229.30748648</id>
	<title>Re:Anectodal info</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263382200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's amazing how many people have flamed you for that comment.</p><p>First they complain about all the fear mongering, etc. media does... And then when someone points out that while recession has been bad for many, most have been relatively unaffected and that life will go on, he is arrogant, ignorant and insensitive clod.</p><p>Come on, people...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing how many people have flamed you for that comment.First they complain about all the fear mongering , etc .
media does... And then when someone points out that while recession has been bad for many , most have been relatively unaffected and that life will go on , he is arrogant , ignorant and insensitive clod.Come on , people.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing how many people have flamed you for that comment.First they complain about all the fear mongering, etc.
media does... And then when someone points out that while recession has been bad for many, most have been relatively unaffected and that life will go on, he is arrogant, ignorant and insensitive clod.Come on, people...</sentencetext>
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