<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_13_0130254</id>
	<title>The Economy of Wikileaks</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1263393720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>StefanBerlin writes <i>"Wikileaks is fast becoming one of the most politically important platforms on the Web. In this interview Julian Assange, the spokesperson, talks about its current situation and about the <a href="http://stefanmey.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/leak-o-nomy-the-economy-of-wikileaks/">financial and economic background of Wikileaks</a>. He also talks about why they cancelled the planned auction of the emails of Hugo Chavez's former speechwriter in Venezuela, and about Wikileaks' plans for a subscription model that could possibly solve the site's financial problems once and for all."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>StefanBerlin writes " Wikileaks is fast becoming one of the most politically important platforms on the Web .
In this interview Julian Assange , the spokesperson , talks about its current situation and about the financial and economic background of Wikileaks .
He also talks about why they cancelled the planned auction of the emails of Hugo Chavez 's former speechwriter in Venezuela , and about Wikileaks ' plans for a subscription model that could possibly solve the site 's financial problems once and for all .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>StefanBerlin writes "Wikileaks is fast becoming one of the most politically important platforms on the Web.
In this interview Julian Assange, the spokesperson, talks about its current situation and about the financial and economic background of Wikileaks.
He also talks about why they cancelled the planned auction of the emails of Hugo Chavez's former speechwriter in Venezuela, and about Wikileaks' plans for a subscription model that could possibly solve the site's financial problems once and for all.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746432</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If every single registered<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. member donated ONE dollar to me, I wouldn't have to read slashdot on company time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If every single registered / .
member donated ONE dollar to me , I would n't have to read slashdot on company time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If every single registered /.
member donated ONE dollar to me, I wouldn't have to read slashdot on company time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747682</id>
	<title>Re:Discussion system like slashdot.</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1263323580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not post on <i>that of which we do not speak?</i></p><p>It was set up as a 'discussion system' 20+ years ago. It's mirrored across the world rather quickly. There's even a Google front end.</p><p>There's MORE than enough bandwidth. Pirates figured out how to post binaries (and large ones at that) a long time ago. Make it a moderated group, tada. WikiLeaks replacement. Put a few servers up in countries with decent laws and mirror between those.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not post on that of which we do not speak ? It was set up as a 'discussion system ' 20 + years ago .
It 's mirrored across the world rather quickly .
There 's even a Google front end.There 's MORE than enough bandwidth .
Pirates figured out how to post binaries ( and large ones at that ) a long time ago .
Make it a moderated group , tada .
WikiLeaks replacement .
Put a few servers up in countries with decent laws and mirror between those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not post on that of which we do not speak?It was set up as a 'discussion system' 20+ years ago.
It's mirrored across the world rather quickly.
There's even a Google front end.There's MORE than enough bandwidth.
Pirates figured out how to post binaries (and large ones at that) a long time ago.
Make it a moderated group, tada.
WikiLeaks replacement.
Put a few servers up in countries with decent laws and mirror between those.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746418</id>
	<title>Have they</title>
	<author>JustOK</author>
	<datestamp>1263311580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have they considered charging to NOT publish stuff?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have they considered charging to NOT publish stuff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have they considered charging to NOT publish stuff?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746498</id>
	<title>Re:Have they</title>
	<author>nemesisrocks</author>
	<datestamp>1263312300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But then how will all the kiddyporn sites increase their PageRank when the Australian Government pays for their blacklist to be taken down??</htmltext>
<tokenext>But then how will all the kiddyporn sites increase their PageRank when the Australian Government pays for their blacklist to be taken down ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then how will all the kiddyporn sites increase their PageRank when the Australian Government pays for their blacklist to be taken down?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748754</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263383940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe if I didn't see you spending so much time on Slashdot in the log file, you'd be able to <em>earn</em> that raise.</p><p>-Your boss.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if I did n't see you spending so much time on Slashdot in the log file , you 'd be able to earn that raise.-Your boss .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if I didn't see you spending so much time on Slashdot in the log file, you'd be able to earn that raise.-Your boss.
:P</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746432</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746932</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1263316260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you give $2, they won't notice me not giving $1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you give $ 2 , they wo n't notice me not giving $ 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you give $2, they won't notice me not giving $1.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746990</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263316800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what percentage of members are still active since Slashdot doesn't let anyone delete their account.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what percentage of members are still active since Slashdot does n't let anyone delete their account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what percentage of members are still active since Slashdot doesn't let anyone delete their account.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747658</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1263323160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course if it got out that you gave ONE dollar to an organization, that would be pretty embarrassing, you'd be seen as cheap.</p><p>And you know who might publicly reveal who gave exactly ONE dollar?</p><p>Wikileaks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course if it got out that you gave ONE dollar to an organization , that would be pretty embarrassing , you 'd be seen as cheap.And you know who might publicly reveal who gave exactly ONE dollar ? Wikileaks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course if it got out that you gave ONE dollar to an organization, that would be pretty embarrassing, you'd be seen as cheap.And you know who might publicly reveal who gave exactly ONE dollar?Wikileaks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748870</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263385860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If every<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. member gave each other ONE dollar, we'd all be millionaires!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If every / .
member gave each other ONE dollar , we 'd all be millionaires !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If every /.
member gave each other ONE dollar, we'd all be millionaires!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30750350</id>
	<title>Re:Discussion system like slashdot.</title>
	<author>Civil\_Disobedient</author>
	<datestamp>1263397560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There's even a Google front end.</i></p><p>Yeah, well they had to be <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/usenet/" title="wired.com">fucking shamed</a> [wired.com] into making it useful.  But eventually is better than never, I suppose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's even a Google front end.Yeah , well they had to be fucking shamed [ wired.com ] into making it useful .
But eventually is better than never , I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's even a Google front end.Yeah, well they had to be fucking shamed [wired.com] into making it useful.
But eventually is better than never, I suppose.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747682</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746396</id>
	<title>Discussion system like slashdot.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What wikileaks also needs is a good discussion system for each story/leak. That way the audience also can directly participate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What wikileaks also needs is a good discussion system for each story/leak .
That way the audience also can directly participate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What wikileaks also needs is a good discussion system for each story/leak.
That way the audience also can directly participate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</id>
	<title>If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If every single registered<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. member donated ONE dollar, they would be back in business.</p><p>C'mon, folks. Give it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If every single registered / .
member donated ONE dollar , they would be back in business.C'mon , folks .
Give it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If every single registered /.
member donated ONE dollar, they would be back in business.C'mon, folks.
Give it up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746710</id>
	<title>The Other, Other Operaton</title>
	<author>BrightSpark</author>
	<datestamp>1263314280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is when the Piranha brothers stumbled upon the Other, Other Operation in which they promised not to beat them up if they paid them the money...
(M.P.)
It's been tried before. The worth of exposure of information to the public is complicated by judgements about values (in Indonesia it is standard practice to take bribes openly, something which was also common in the days of Sir Christopher Wren and Samuel Peypes) and notions of what is in the public interest (all Slash Dotters are wankers but who cares or wants to know?).

They could resort to advertising. Or not to advertise their products next to their stories<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is when the Piranha brothers stumbled upon the Other , Other Operation in which they promised not to beat them up if they paid them the money.. .
( M.P. ) It 's been tried before .
The worth of exposure of information to the public is complicated by judgements about values ( in Indonesia it is standard practice to take bribes openly , something which was also common in the days of Sir Christopher Wren and Samuel Peypes ) and notions of what is in the public interest ( all Slash Dotters are wankers but who cares or wants to know ? ) .
They could resort to advertising .
Or not to advertise their products next to their stories : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is when the Piranha brothers stumbled upon the Other, Other Operation in which they promised not to beat them up if they paid them the money...
(M.P.)
It's been tried before.
The worth of exposure of information to the public is complicated by judgements about values (in Indonesia it is standard practice to take bribes openly, something which was also common in the days of Sir Christopher Wren and Samuel Peypes) and notions of what is in the public interest (all Slash Dotters are wankers but who cares or wants to know?).
They could resort to advertising.
Or not to advertise their products next to their stories :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30749054</id>
	<title>About 30 seconds until free competition</title>
	<author>salesgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1263388140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Wikileaks does this, it will take about 30 seconds for a new and free alternative to step up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Wikileaks does this , it will take about 30 seconds for a new and free alternative to step up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Wikileaks does this, it will take about 30 seconds for a new and free alternative to step up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746886</id>
	<title>Charging is a very bad idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263315840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once they charge for subscriptions then they become a commercial organization and they would most likely be under the gun for more stringent copyright claims and enforcement. They currently benefit from the non-commercial use provisions of the fair use doctrine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once they charge for subscriptions then they become a commercial organization and they would most likely be under the gun for more stringent copyright claims and enforcement .
They currently benefit from the non-commercial use provisions of the fair use doctrine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once they charge for subscriptions then they become a commercial organization and they would most likely be under the gun for more stringent copyright claims and enforcement.
They currently benefit from the non-commercial use provisions of the fair use doctrine.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747210</id>
	<title>LaTeX</title>
	<author>jrkotrla</author>
	<datestamp>1263318660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I personally think that it is awesome that they used the LaTeX Beamer class instead of PowerPoint.
</p><p>
oh yeah, the rest of the presentation was interesting too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I personally think that it is awesome that they used the LaTeX Beamer class instead of PowerPoint .
oh yeah , the rest of the presentation was interesting too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I personally think that it is awesome that they used the LaTeX Beamer class instead of PowerPoint.
oh yeah, the rest of the presentation was interesting too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746438</id>
	<title>Re:Have they</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1263311760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Have they considered charging to NOT publish stuff?</p></div><p>Now thats thinking. Potentially fatal thinking, but thinking all the same.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have they considered charging to NOT publish stuff ? Now thats thinking .
Potentially fatal thinking , but thinking all the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have they considered charging to NOT publish stuff?Now thats thinking.
Potentially fatal thinking, but thinking all the same.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746418</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30755916</id>
	<title>Re:Subscribers?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263375960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That point is based on an illusion. The illusion that the content that ends up in your brain, must be the same that you think it is. In reality this requires every node in-between to be trustworthy. The server that is said to be the source, every non-encrypted server and wire in-between, the computer of the cracker, the cracker, every non-encrypted server and wire between him and Wikileaks, Wikileaks and everyone with the ability to change something, every non-encrypted server and wire between Wikileaks and you, your computer, your screen, and your eyes.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>Or in other words: Every physical object between the source and you. Every device, every software, every person.</p><p>Sorry, but that very unrealistic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That point is based on an illusion .
The illusion that the content that ends up in your brain , must be the same that you think it is .
In reality this requires every node in-between to be trustworthy .
The server that is said to be the source , every non-encrypted server and wire in-between , the computer of the cracker , the cracker , every non-encrypted server and wire between him and Wikileaks , Wikileaks and everyone with the ability to change something , every non-encrypted server and wire between Wikileaks and you , your computer , your screen , and your eyes .
; ) Or in other words : Every physical object between the source and you .
Every device , every software , every person.Sorry , but that very unrealistic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That point is based on an illusion.
The illusion that the content that ends up in your brain, must be the same that you think it is.
In reality this requires every node in-between to be trustworthy.
The server that is said to be the source, every non-encrypted server and wire in-between, the computer of the cracker, the cracker, every non-encrypted server and wire between him and Wikileaks, Wikileaks and everyone with the ability to change something, every non-encrypted server and wire between Wikileaks and you, your computer, your screen, and your eyes.
;)Or in other words: Every physical object between the source and you.
Every device, every software, every person.Sorry, but that very unrealistic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747922</id>
	<title>hmmm wikileaks</title>
	<author>propertyguru1</author>
	<datestamp>1263414480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>INTERESTING NEWS INDEED. but for more articles specific to property industry you may want to go to <a href="http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/market-news" title="propertyguru.com.sg" rel="nofollow">http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/market-news</a> [propertyguru.com.sg]</htmltext>
<tokenext>INTERESTING NEWS INDEED .
but for more articles specific to property industry you may want to go to http : //www.propertyguru.com.sg/market-news [ propertyguru.com.sg ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>INTERESTING NEWS INDEED.
but for more articles specific to property industry you may want to go to http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/market-news [propertyguru.com.sg]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747678</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$10 USD here.  Never been to the site, but I've heard of em.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 10 USD here .
Never been to the site , but I 've heard of em .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$10 USD here.
Never been to the site, but I've heard of em.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746412</id>
	<title>I agree</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1263311580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
But I tell you, Jay Leno is a total douche.  And NBC is sabotaging itself right as it is being bought by that evil cable company.
</p><p>
All hail COCO!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I tell you , Jay Leno is a total douche .
And NBC is sabotaging itself right as it is being bought by that evil cable company .
All hail COCO !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
But I tell you, Jay Leno is a total douche.
And NBC is sabotaging itself right as it is being bought by that evil cable company.
All hail COCO!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30750460</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>ath1901</author>
	<datestamp>1263397980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you mean "every single" as in "every slashdotter without a partner" or as in "every slashdotter there is"?<br>Oh, never mind. Just realised it's the same thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you mean " every single " as in " every slashdotter without a partner " or as in " every slashdotter there is " ? Oh , never mind .
Just realised it 's the same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you mean "every single" as in "every slashdotter without a partner" or as in "every slashdotter there is"?Oh, never mind.
Just realised it's the same thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746386</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747032</id>
	<title>Why not Torrent large files?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not make large (in terms of expected bandwidth use) files available through BitTorrent in order to take load off the Wikileaks servers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not make large ( in terms of expected bandwidth use ) files available through BitTorrent in order to take load off the Wikileaks servers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not make large (in terms of expected bandwidth use) files available through BitTorrent in order to take load off the Wikileaks servers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748956</id>
	<title>Microsoft's Cofee burnt Wikileaks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263387000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Julius Assange has may explanations, but the probable cause of WL downing is not public. They recently published the entire Microsoft Cofee illegal police rootkit spy program in binary format and the Interpol ordered to shut them down. They probably will not return and their donation collection link may be a law enforcement sinkhole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Julius Assange has may explanations , but the probable cause of WL downing is not public .
They recently published the entire Microsoft Cofee illegal police rootkit spy program in binary format and the Interpol ordered to shut them down .
They probably will not return and their donation collection link may be a law enforcement sinkhole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Julius Assange has may explanations, but the probable cause of WL downing is not public.
They recently published the entire Microsoft Cofee illegal police rootkit spy program in binary format and the Interpol ordered to shut them down.
They probably will not return and their donation collection link may be a law enforcement sinkhole.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746640</id>
	<title>Re:Have they</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263313680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure, they could sell advertising in the form of big black boxes pasted over the materials</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , they could sell advertising in the form of big black boxes pasted over the materials</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, they could sell advertising in the form of big black boxes pasted over the materials</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748702</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Obel</author>
	<datestamp>1263383100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He says they need about $600,000 a year. Maybe just have a $1 annual subscription? I'm sure not many people are going to complain about that (though there'll always be a few).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He says they need about $ 600,000 a year .
Maybe just have a $ 1 annual subscription ?
I 'm sure not many people are going to complain about that ( though there 'll always be a few ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He says they need about $600,000 a year.
Maybe just have a $1 annual subscription?
I'm sure not many people are going to complain about that (though there'll always be a few).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748584</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>toastar</author>
	<datestamp>1263381000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder what percentage of members are still active since Slashdot doesn't let anyone delete their account.</p></div><p>or edit their pot^Hsts</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what percentage of members are still active since Slashdot does n't let anyone delete their account.or edit their pot ^ Hsts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what percentage of members are still active since Slashdot doesn't let anyone delete their account.or edit their pot^Hsts
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748202</id>
	<title>Re:They don't sell information.</title>
	<author>TubeSteak</author>
	<datestamp>1263375420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What they can and do control is the service that they provide -- namely: checking, collating, and hosting the information. I think it's an important distinction that needs to be made, though it may be semantics.</p></div><p>Wikileaks provides two services:<br>1. Free bulletproof hosting<br>2. Publicity.<br>This subscription service helps Wikileaks with those two goals.</p><p>The worst that could happen is that Wikileaks delays posting something for XY days.<br>The best that could happen is that the [news organization] writes an explosive story about [secrets].<br>I don't think I'm going out on a limb to suggest that the possible benefit far outweigh the known negative.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What they can and do control is the service that they provide -- namely : checking , collating , and hosting the information .
I think it 's an important distinction that needs to be made , though it may be semantics.Wikileaks provides two services : 1 .
Free bulletproof hosting2 .
Publicity.This subscription service helps Wikileaks with those two goals.The worst that could happen is that Wikileaks delays posting something for XY days.The best that could happen is that the [ news organization ] writes an explosive story about [ secrets ] .I do n't think I 'm going out on a limb to suggest that the possible benefit far outweigh the known negative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What they can and do control is the service that they provide -- namely: checking, collating, and hosting the information.
I think it's an important distinction that needs to be made, though it may be semantics.Wikileaks provides two services:1.
Free bulletproof hosting2.
Publicity.This subscription service helps Wikileaks with those two goals.The worst that could happen is that Wikileaks delays posting something for XY days.The best that could happen is that the [news organization] writes an explosive story about [secrets].I don't think I'm going out on a limb to suggest that the possible benefit far outweigh the known negative.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746742</id>
	<title>Subscribers?</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1263314460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doesn't having a subscription model kinda defeat the other point of WikiLeaks, that is that anyone can download, analyze and verify the sources? Wikileaks is a good source so you can actually check out the real information itself rather than worry about all the crap surrounding it. For example, the leaked climate e-mails, you had some sources saying it without a doubt proves that global warming is nothing more than a myth with falsified data to support it, and others saying that the e-mails told really nothing. Most of the sources didn't publish the e-mails so how does an informed person decide which is right? They go to the source. <br> <br>

While a subscription might be easy for journalists and other people who are making money off of Wikileaks to subscribe to, what about dissidents of an oppressive government who want to see for themselves abuses that the government did? What about the general citizen who wants the source? A subscription model fails and will simply lead to someone making a less-secure mirror of Wikileaks with all the files and such and Wikileaks loses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't having a subscription model kinda defeat the other point of WikiLeaks , that is that anyone can download , analyze and verify the sources ?
Wikileaks is a good source so you can actually check out the real information itself rather than worry about all the crap surrounding it .
For example , the leaked climate e-mails , you had some sources saying it without a doubt proves that global warming is nothing more than a myth with falsified data to support it , and others saying that the e-mails told really nothing .
Most of the sources did n't publish the e-mails so how does an informed person decide which is right ?
They go to the source .
While a subscription might be easy for journalists and other people who are making money off of Wikileaks to subscribe to , what about dissidents of an oppressive government who want to see for themselves abuses that the government did ?
What about the general citizen who wants the source ?
A subscription model fails and will simply lead to someone making a less-secure mirror of Wikileaks with all the files and such and Wikileaks loses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't having a subscription model kinda defeat the other point of WikiLeaks, that is that anyone can download, analyze and verify the sources?
Wikileaks is a good source so you can actually check out the real information itself rather than worry about all the crap surrounding it.
For example, the leaked climate e-mails, you had some sources saying it without a doubt proves that global warming is nothing more than a myth with falsified data to support it, and others saying that the e-mails told really nothing.
Most of the sources didn't publish the e-mails so how does an informed person decide which is right?
They go to the source.
While a subscription might be easy for journalists and other people who are making money off of Wikileaks to subscribe to, what about dissidents of an oppressive government who want to see for themselves abuses that the government did?
What about the general citizen who wants the source?
A subscription model fails and will simply lead to someone making a less-secure mirror of Wikileaks with all the files and such and Wikileaks loses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747956</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263415080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it absurd that they extract money for information \_I\_ leaked.  Freaking hell, If I'm leaking they shouldn't be mopping up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it absurd that they extract money for information \ _I \ _ leaked .
Freaking hell , If I 'm leaking they should n't be mopping up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it absurd that they extract money for information \_I\_ leaked.
Freaking hell, If I'm leaking they shouldn't be mopping up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747788</id>
	<title>You guys are missing the point.</title>
	<author>SteelRat</author>
	<datestamp>1263325260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could explain it, but why not watch their presentation that they gave a couple weeks ago at CCC and actually understand what they're talking about firsthand.<br><a href="http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3567.en.html" title="events.ccc.de" rel="nofollow">Presentation page</a> [events.ccc.de], <a href="http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3567-en-wikileaks\_release\_10.mp4" title="fem-net.de" rel="nofollow">big mp4 video</a> [fem-net.de], <a href="http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3567-en-wikileaks\_release\_10.mp4.torrent" title="fem-net.de" rel="nofollow">torrent</a> [fem-net.de].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could explain it , but why not watch their presentation that they gave a couple weeks ago at CCC and actually understand what they 're talking about firsthand.Presentation page [ events.ccc.de ] , big mp4 video [ fem-net.de ] , torrent [ fem-net.de ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could explain it, but why not watch their presentation that they gave a couple weeks ago at CCC and actually understand what they're talking about firsthand.Presentation page [events.ccc.de], big mp4 video [fem-net.de], torrent [fem-net.de].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30747932</id>
	<title>Re:Why not Torrent large files?</title>
	<author>muffen</author>
	<datestamp>1263414660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... and use thepiratebay for posting the torrents, that way their argument (that they are hosting legal torrents too) may actually be true at least for a few torrents<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and use thepiratebay for posting the torrents , that way their argument ( that they are hosting legal torrents too ) may actually be true at least for a few torrents : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... and use thepiratebay for posting the torrents, that way their argument (that they are hosting legal torrents too) may actually be true at least for a few torrents :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30765416</id>
	<title>Re:Subscribers?</title>
	<author>ResidentSourcerer</author>
	<datestamp>1263488760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So it works like this:</p><p>If you subscribe, you have access as soon as the story is available.</p><p>If you don't subscribe you can access only stuff that is over a week old.</p><p>If you are from an 'oppressive regime' you have automatic access to stories that are datelined with your country.</p><p>Connections are throttled on the basis of how much is downloaded.  E.g.  If one IP tries to mirror WL they get speeds so slow they can't keep up with the new stuff -- unless they subscribe to mirroring with no republication of anything but analysis.</p><p>A given IP would be allowed to access N links a day without cost, but not able to access current indexes so that published stories could refer to the original source in a credible manner.  Sure there will be ways to spoof it.  And this crowd can come up with better mechanisms.</p><p>Key:  Limited current access to subscribers and people who are following up on subscribers stories.  Full access to week old data.  Full access to stories concerning their own country to people living under oppressive regimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So it works like this : If you subscribe , you have access as soon as the story is available.If you do n't subscribe you can access only stuff that is over a week old.If you are from an 'oppressive regime ' you have automatic access to stories that are datelined with your country.Connections are throttled on the basis of how much is downloaded .
E.g. If one IP tries to mirror WL they get speeds so slow they ca n't keep up with the new stuff -- unless they subscribe to mirroring with no republication of anything but analysis.A given IP would be allowed to access N links a day without cost , but not able to access current indexes so that published stories could refer to the original source in a credible manner .
Sure there will be ways to spoof it .
And this crowd can come up with better mechanisms.Key : Limited current access to subscribers and people who are following up on subscribers stories .
Full access to week old data .
Full access to stories concerning their own country to people living under oppressive regimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So it works like this:If you subscribe, you have access as soon as the story is available.If you don't subscribe you can access only stuff that is over a week old.If you are from an 'oppressive regime' you have automatic access to stories that are datelined with your country.Connections are throttled on the basis of how much is downloaded.
E.g.  If one IP tries to mirror WL they get speeds so slow they can't keep up with the new stuff -- unless they subscribe to mirroring with no republication of anything but analysis.A given IP would be allowed to access N links a day without cost, but not able to access current indexes so that published stories could refer to the original source in a credible manner.
Sure there will be ways to spoof it.
And this crowd can come up with better mechanisms.Key:  Limited current access to subscribers and people who are following up on subscribers stories.
Full access to week old data.
Full access to stories concerning their own country to people living under oppressive regimes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30755370</id>
	<title>Re:Why not Torrent large files?</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1263373920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not make large (in terms of expected bandwidth use) files available through BitTorrent in order to take load off the Wikileaks servers?</p></div><p>Because the ultimate end result of that would be that eventually some powerful company, who can't reach over seas to take down wikileaks, can (and does) sue everyone seeding the torrent.</p><p>Remember, it's $80,000 USD for each copy of the document you upload to someone if you are in the USA!</p><p>So after said company sues a bunch of 'smart asses that deserve it', and the other seeders run scared, you are back to one seed on wikileaks seed box, thus one copy to DL from, and thus nearly all of the bandwidth will still come from wikileaks.</p><p>The minor 'free' bandwidth they would get from downloaders (While they are downloading anyway) would not offset any costs that would matter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not make large ( in terms of expected bandwidth use ) files available through BitTorrent in order to take load off the Wikileaks servers ? Because the ultimate end result of that would be that eventually some powerful company , who ca n't reach over seas to take down wikileaks , can ( and does ) sue everyone seeding the torrent.Remember , it 's $ 80,000 USD for each copy of the document you upload to someone if you are in the USA ! So after said company sues a bunch of 'smart asses that deserve it ' , and the other seeders run scared , you are back to one seed on wikileaks seed box , thus one copy to DL from , and thus nearly all of the bandwidth will still come from wikileaks.The minor 'free ' bandwidth they would get from downloaders ( While they are downloading anyway ) would not offset any costs that would matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not make large (in terms of expected bandwidth use) files available through BitTorrent in order to take load off the Wikileaks servers?Because the ultimate end result of that would be that eventually some powerful company, who can't reach over seas to take down wikileaks, can (and does) sue everyone seeding the torrent.Remember, it's $80,000 USD for each copy of the document you upload to someone if you are in the USA!So after said company sues a bunch of 'smart asses that deserve it', and the other seeders run scared, you are back to one seed on wikileaks seed box, thus one copy to DL from, and thus nearly all of the bandwidth will still come from wikileaks.The minor 'free' bandwidth they would get from downloaders (While they are downloading anyway) would not offset any costs that would matter.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746676</id>
	<title>Potential Profits</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263314040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought this article might be about people posting fake business news, and then purchasing options to make some quick money</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought this article might be about people posting fake business news , and then purchasing options to make some quick money</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought this article might be about people posting fake business news, and then purchasing options to make some quick money</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30749516</id>
	<title>O rly....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263392820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can they be doing it for free and have the highest cost being manpower?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can they be doing it for free and have the highest cost being manpower ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can they be doing it for free and have the highest cost being manpower?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746434</id>
	<title>Re:If every...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263311700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you deep throated every single slashdot member, you would enjoy it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you deep throated every single slashdot member , you would enjoy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you deep throated every single slashdot member, you would enjoy it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30748024</id>
	<title>Re:Charging is a very bad idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263415980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>charging != commercial; that's what non-profit is all about</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>charging ! = commercial ; that 's what non-profit is all about</tokentext>
<sentencetext>charging != commercial; that's what non-profit is all about</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746846</id>
	<title>They don't sell information.</title>
	<author>srothroc</author>
	<datestamp>1263315480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The thing that bothers me about the interview is that he says he's limiting access to information to artificially lower supply and induce demand; but that's not what they're doing. The information is still out there. Anyone who wants to give the information to someone other than wikileaks is able to do so. It's not "their" information to control or limit.
<br>
<br>
What they <i>can</i> and do control is the <i>service</i> that they provide -- namely: checking, collating, and hosting the information. I think it's an important distinction that needs to be made, though it may be semantics.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that bothers me about the interview is that he says he 's limiting access to information to artificially lower supply and induce demand ; but that 's not what they 're doing .
The information is still out there .
Anyone who wants to give the information to someone other than wikileaks is able to do so .
It 's not " their " information to control or limit .
What they can and do control is the service that they provide -- namely : checking , collating , and hosting the information .
I think it 's an important distinction that needs to be made , though it may be semantics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that bothers me about the interview is that he says he's limiting access to information to artificially lower supply and induce demand; but that's not what they're doing.
The information is still out there.
Anyone who wants to give the information to someone other than wikileaks is able to do so.
It's not "their" information to control or limit.
What they can and do control is the service that they provide -- namely: checking, collating, and hosting the information.
I think it's an important distinction that needs to be made, though it may be semantics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_13_0130254.30746868</id>
	<title>Re:Subscribers?</title>
	<author>Philip\_the\_physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1263315720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A subscription like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'s would work, so journalists and so on can pay to get the leaks in advance, but everyone gets to see the leaks after, say, 48 hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A subscription like / .
's would work , so journalists and so on can pay to get the leaks in advance , but everyone gets to see the leaks after , say , 48 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A subscription like /.
's would work, so journalists and so on can pay to get the leaks in advance, but everyone gets to see the leaks after, say, 48 hours.</sentencetext>
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