<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_12_2323225</id>
	<title>Half of US Patents Issued Out of US For Second Year</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1263314160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>netbuzz writes <i>"According to a new report from IFI Patent Intelligence, 51\% of patents issued by the United States in 2009 <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/011210-patents-foreign-countries.html">went to companies located overseas</a>. While this marks the second consecutive year that a majority of US patents have landed abroad, an author of the report says: 'It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity.' IBM was once again granted <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/011210-patents-2009.html?hpg1=bn">the most patents of any company</a>, 4,914, followed by Samsung and Microsoft."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>netbuzz writes " According to a new report from IFI Patent Intelligence , 51 \ % of patents issued by the United States in 2009 went to companies located overseas .
While this marks the second consecutive year that a majority of US patents have landed abroad , an author of the report says : 'It 's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents , it 's important to consider quality , as well as quantity .
' IBM was once again granted the most patents of any company , 4,914 , followed by Samsung and Microsoft .
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<sentencetext>netbuzz writes "According to a new report from IFI Patent Intelligence, 51\% of patents issued by the United States in 2009 went to companies located overseas.
While this marks the second consecutive year that a majority of US patents have landed abroad, an author of the report says: 'It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity.
' IBM was once again granted the most patents of any company, 4,914, followed by Samsung and Microsoft.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747688</id>
	<title>How is it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That US law doesn't apply to foreigners when they're in our island prisons, but does apply when a foreign company wants to get a patent?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That US law does n't apply to foreigners when they 're in our island prisons , but does apply when a foreign company wants to get a patent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That US law doesn't apply to foreigners when they're in our island prisons, but does apply when a foreign company wants to get a patent?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747304</id>
	<title>Surprise?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263319740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA:</p><p><i>It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it&rsquo;s important to consider quality, as well as quantity</i></p><p>Ah, except the patent office isn't exactly concerned with quality. A patent is a patent, regardless of quality, and granting more of them is in the interest of anyone in the system (as the actual cost of the economic burden it imposes isn't accounted for by the granters, legislators or  recipients).</p><p><i>While American companies continue to add patents, IFI Patent Intelligence says foreign firms are also working to win patents at a "frenetic pace," which could be considered a good thing for the U.S. economy overall. </i></p><p>Right. As IPR is macro-economically equivalent to taxation, that's the same thing as saying 'more taxes are a good thing for the economy overall'. As a general rule, I don't actually think that's an accepted theory within any economic branch; even the most tax friendly theories usually prefer a somewhat efficient use of the taxation burden.</p><p><i>"The silver lining may be that the high priority foreign firms place on U.S. patents is a confirmation of the value and importance that the U.S. market represents."</i></p><p>The question is why wouldn't a foreign company be interested in obtaining taxation rights to the US economy? There's nothing as lucrative as having government enforced rights to take money without doing anything.</p><p>Of course it utterly screws those paying for the system, but it certainly is nice for those who can skim the pot. Eventually it falls apart of course, as the burdens on industry and workers mean they simply cannot compete and when the ability to borrow to keep going is lost one ends up without industrial base, in deep debt and with significant legal risks to any industry trying to operate within the economy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : It 's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents , it    s important to consider quality , as well as quantityAh , except the patent office is n't exactly concerned with quality .
A patent is a patent , regardless of quality , and granting more of them is in the interest of anyone in the system ( as the actual cost of the economic burden it imposes is n't accounted for by the granters , legislators or recipients ) .While American companies continue to add patents , IFI Patent Intelligence says foreign firms are also working to win patents at a " frenetic pace , " which could be considered a good thing for the U.S. economy overall .
Right. As IPR is macro-economically equivalent to taxation , that 's the same thing as saying 'more taxes are a good thing for the economy overall' .
As a general rule , I do n't actually think that 's an accepted theory within any economic branch ; even the most tax friendly theories usually prefer a somewhat efficient use of the taxation burden .
" The silver lining may be that the high priority foreign firms place on U.S. patents is a confirmation of the value and importance that the U.S. market represents .
" The question is why would n't a foreign company be interested in obtaining taxation rights to the US economy ?
There 's nothing as lucrative as having government enforced rights to take money without doing anything.Of course it utterly screws those paying for the system , but it certainly is nice for those who can skim the pot .
Eventually it falls apart of course , as the burdens on industry and workers mean they simply can not compete and when the ability to borrow to keep going is lost one ends up without industrial base , in deep debt and with significant legal risks to any industry trying to operate within the economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA:It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it’s important to consider quality, as well as quantityAh, except the patent office isn't exactly concerned with quality.
A patent is a patent, regardless of quality, and granting more of them is in the interest of anyone in the system (as the actual cost of the economic burden it imposes isn't accounted for by the granters, legislators or  recipients).While American companies continue to add patents, IFI Patent Intelligence says foreign firms are also working to win patents at a "frenetic pace," which could be considered a good thing for the U.S. economy overall.
Right. As IPR is macro-economically equivalent to taxation, that's the same thing as saying 'more taxes are a good thing for the economy overall'.
As a general rule, I don't actually think that's an accepted theory within any economic branch; even the most tax friendly theories usually prefer a somewhat efficient use of the taxation burden.
"The silver lining may be that the high priority foreign firms place on U.S. patents is a confirmation of the value and importance that the U.S. market represents.
"The question is why wouldn't a foreign company be interested in obtaining taxation rights to the US economy?
There's nothing as lucrative as having government enforced rights to take money without doing anything.Of course it utterly screws those paying for the system, but it certainly is nice for those who can skim the pot.
Eventually it falls apart of course, as the burdens on industry and workers mean they simply cannot compete and when the ability to borrow to keep going is lost one ends up without industrial base, in deep debt and with significant legal risks to any industry trying to operate within the economy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30749062</id>
	<title>Re:US != 50\% of world</title>
	<author>tsalmark</author>
	<datestamp>1263388320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the US is what, one country, the rest of the world is what 200 some odd more countries. One  of the funny things about patents is you can patent in your own country and hope that the other countries honor your patent laws, patent in every country, or just patent in the US, as all most all countries honor their patent laws.

As more companies are interested in doing business outside their own country the need to patent in the US increases. I'm not sure that means the US is faltering in anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the US is what , one country , the rest of the world is what 200 some odd more countries .
One of the funny things about patents is you can patent in your own country and hope that the other countries honor your patent laws , patent in every country , or just patent in the US , as all most all countries honor their patent laws .
As more companies are interested in doing business outside their own country the need to patent in the US increases .
I 'm not sure that means the US is faltering in anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the US is what, one country, the rest of the world is what 200 some odd more countries.
One  of the funny things about patents is you can patent in your own country and hope that the other countries honor your patent laws, patent in every country, or just patent in the US, as all most all countries honor their patent laws.
As more companies are interested in doing business outside their own country the need to patent in the US increases.
I'm not sure that means the US is faltering in anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748562</id>
	<title>Re:when is enough?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263380640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And you think the registration fee is significant compared to the internal expense of writing and filing it in the first place?  How many days does it take to get the text right, multiplied by the daily cost of a patent attorney and the inventors involved, and you're getting closer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And you think the registration fee is significant compared to the internal expense of writing and filing it in the first place ?
How many days does it take to get the text right , multiplied by the daily cost of a patent attorney and the inventors involved , and you 're getting closer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you think the registration fee is significant compared to the internal expense of writing and filing it in the first place?
How many days does it take to get the text right, multiplied by the daily cost of a patent attorney and the inventors involved, and you're getting closer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748590</id>
	<title>Re:when is enough?</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1263381000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>now my question is, is it worth is spending so much on a patent that wont generate enough money to cover the cost of the patent?</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
The answer is theoretically "no" but of course it's impossible to accurately predict what will generate money in the future. As with so many things in the real world, there is no such thing as perfect future information.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>now my question is , is it worth is spending so much on a patent that wont generate enough money to cover the cost of the patent ?
The answer is theoretically " no " but of course it 's impossible to accurately predict what will generate money in the future .
As with so many things in the real world , there is no such thing as perfect future information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now my question is, is it worth is spending so much on a patent that wont generate enough money to cover the cost of the patent?
The answer is theoretically "no" but of course it's impossible to accurately predict what will generate money in the future.
As with so many things in the real world, there is no such thing as perfect future information.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747286</id>
	<title>when is enough?</title>
	<author>muphin</author>
	<datestamp>1263319440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>to register a patent in the USA is $1347, IBM has 4914 Patents, which equals $6,619,158 spent on patents.<br>
now thats just the USA, to get an international patent is about $10k+ (only including the most popular countries) so that would be $49,140,000 in international patent fees for about 10 years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <br>
<br> <br>
now my question is, is it worth is spending so much on a patent that wont generate enough money to cover the cost of the patent?</htmltext>
<tokenext>to register a patent in the USA is $ 1347 , IBM has 4914 Patents , which equals $ 6,619,158 spent on patents .
now thats just the USA , to get an international patent is about $ 10k + ( only including the most popular countries ) so that would be $ 49,140,000 in international patent fees for about 10 years .. . now my question is , is it worth is spending so much on a patent that wont generate enough money to cover the cost of the patent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to register a patent in the USA is $1347, IBM has 4914 Patents, which equals $6,619,158 spent on patents.
now thats just the USA, to get an international patent is about $10k+ (only including the most popular countries) so that would be $49,140,000 in international patent fees for about 10 years ... 
 
now my question is, is it worth is spending so much on a patent that wont generate enough money to cover the cost of the patent?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747790</id>
	<title>Granting patents to aliens</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are we even granting patents to foreigners? It's not like we get any benefit out of this... or are we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are we even granting patents to foreigners ?
It 's not like we get any benefit out of this... or are we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are we even granting patents to foreigners?
It's not like we get any benefit out of this... or are we?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747510</id>
	<title>Re:Stick a fork in it, the US is done</title>
	<author>nmb3000</author>
	<datestamp>1263321660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Er?</p><p>Slashdot really needs a "+/- 1, Incoherent" moderation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Er ? Slashdot really needs a " + /- 1 , Incoherent " moderation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Er?Slashdot really needs a "+/- 1, Incoherent" moderation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747734</id>
	<title>Key to consider patent quality as well as quantity</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1263324480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity</p></div></blockquote><p>Erm, doesn't the law say those of low quality shouldn't even issue? <a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc\_sec\_35\_00000103----000-.html" title="cornell.edu">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc\_sec\_35\_00000103----000-.html</a> [cornell.edu]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>because with patents , it 's important to consider quality , as well as quantityErm , does n't the law say those of low quality should n't even issue ?
http : //www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc \ _sec \ _35 \ _00000103----000-.html [ cornell.edu ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantityErm, doesn't the law say those of low quality shouldn't even issue?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/usc\_sec\_35\_00000103----000-.html [cornell.edu]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747238</id>
	<title>Re:Stick a fork in it, the US is done</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1263319020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a zero sum game.  The more produced, the wealthier the world becomes as a whole.  Of course this only goes to an extent due to limited natural resources.</p><p>In fact this is a good thing, I mean honestly do you expect 6\% of the population to produce 50+\% of the worlds intellectual property?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a zero sum game .
The more produced , the wealthier the world becomes as a whole .
Of course this only goes to an extent due to limited natural resources.In fact this is a good thing , I mean honestly do you expect 6 \ % of the population to produce 50 + \ % of the worlds intellectual property ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a zero sum game.
The more produced, the wealthier the world becomes as a whole.
Of course this only goes to an extent due to limited natural resources.In fact this is a good thing, I mean honestly do you expect 6\% of the population to produce 50+\% of the worlds intellectual property?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747664</id>
	<title>Re:What's funny is...</title>
	<author>symbolic</author>
	<datestamp>1263323160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're probably US companies with offshore interests. You know, the kind of interest that substantially reduces a company's US tax burden.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're probably US companies with offshore interests .
You know , the kind of interest that substantially reduces a company 's US tax burden .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're probably US companies with offshore interests.
You know, the kind of interest that substantially reduces a company's US tax burden.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30749298</id>
	<title>Re:when is enough?</title>
	<author>MrMr</author>
	<datestamp>1263390840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The price to register an international patent may be about 10k, but the cost of additional translations and legal fees can be ten times that.<br>In practice maintaining a 20 year international patent will burn about $100k of your companies assets.<br>Or so our CFO told us...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The price to register an international patent may be about 10k , but the cost of additional translations and legal fees can be ten times that.In practice maintaining a 20 year international patent will burn about $ 100k of your companies assets.Or so our CFO told us.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The price to register an international patent may be about 10k, but the cost of additional translations and legal fees can be ten times that.In practice maintaining a 20 year international patent will burn about $100k of your companies assets.Or so our CFO told us...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748266</id>
	<title>Fir[st pZost</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263376440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a GAY NIGGER the reaper BSD's become obsessed Fact came into I s3e the same and what supplies FreeBSD is already</htmltext>
<tokenext>a GAY NIGGER the reaper BSD 's become obsessed Fact came into I s3e the same and what supplies FreeBSD is already</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a GAY NIGGER the reaper BSD's become obsessed Fact came into I s3e the same and what supplies FreeBSD is already</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747166</id>
	<title>Oblig</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only I could patent foreign countries obtaining a patent in the US...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only I could patent foreign countries obtaining a patent in the US.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only I could patent foreign countries obtaining a patent in the US...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747274</id>
	<title>Wrong</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1263319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That means that of all the patentable things (invention, processes, even software) done in the world that ever want to be able to be comercialized in US, only half were done in the rest of the world?<br><br>Think in Nexus One with multitouch only in the european models, or al the diplomacy behind US trying to push their patents in all the world (having or not something similar being patented there previously). That facing that all the world want to patent in US too is just reasonable, what is not is that only count as much as what only US patents.<br><br>Anyway, counting the culture of "defensive" patent filings of IBM, Microsoft and others is not surprising thet distribution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That means that of all the patentable things ( invention , processes , even software ) done in the world that ever want to be able to be comercialized in US , only half were done in the rest of the world ? Think in Nexus One with multitouch only in the european models , or al the diplomacy behind US trying to push their patents in all the world ( having or not something similar being patented there previously ) .
That facing that all the world want to patent in US too is just reasonable , what is not is that only count as much as what only US patents.Anyway , counting the culture of " defensive " patent filings of IBM , Microsoft and others is not surprising thet distribution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That means that of all the patentable things (invention, processes, even software) done in the world that ever want to be able to be comercialized in US, only half were done in the rest of the world?Think in Nexus One with multitouch only in the european models, or al the diplomacy behind US trying to push their patents in all the world (having or not something similar being patented there previously).
That facing that all the world want to patent in US too is just reasonable, what is not is that only count as much as what only US patents.Anyway, counting the culture of "defensive" patent filings of IBM, Microsoft and others is not surprising thet distribution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747432</id>
	<title>European Achievement in Technology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The patents have another pattern, which is rarely discussed.  Specifically, most patents go to people of European ancestry.  The Japanese also have a large share of the patents.
<p>
European achievement in technology has no rival.  Europeans invented calculus, the electronic capacitor, the guided missile (which became the basis for the modern interplanetary rocket), vaccinations, etc.  The Japanese invented most of the technology in your LCD monitor, the blue LED, numerous drugs (approved for sale by the FDA) treating chronic conditions, etc.
</p><p>
In this smorgasbord of technical achievement, Africans and Americans of African ancestry are mostly missing.
</p><p>
We know that African IQ is lower than Japanese IQ by about 15 points.  This difference in IQ likely explains why Africans generally fail to comprehend advanced mathematics.  Advanced mathematics is vital to creating technological breakthroughs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The patents have another pattern , which is rarely discussed .
Specifically , most patents go to people of European ancestry .
The Japanese also have a large share of the patents .
European achievement in technology has no rival .
Europeans invented calculus , the electronic capacitor , the guided missile ( which became the basis for the modern interplanetary rocket ) , vaccinations , etc .
The Japanese invented most of the technology in your LCD monitor , the blue LED , numerous drugs ( approved for sale by the FDA ) treating chronic conditions , etc .
In this smorgasbord of technical achievement , Africans and Americans of African ancestry are mostly missing .
We know that African IQ is lower than Japanese IQ by about 15 points .
This difference in IQ likely explains why Africans generally fail to comprehend advanced mathematics .
Advanced mathematics is vital to creating technological breakthroughs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The patents have another pattern, which is rarely discussed.
Specifically, most patents go to people of European ancestry.
The Japanese also have a large share of the patents.
European achievement in technology has no rival.
Europeans invented calculus, the electronic capacitor, the guided missile (which became the basis for the modern interplanetary rocket), vaccinations, etc.
The Japanese invented most of the technology in your LCD monitor, the blue LED, numerous drugs (approved for sale by the FDA) treating chronic conditions, etc.
In this smorgasbord of technical achievement, Africans and Americans of African ancestry are mostly missing.
We know that African IQ is lower than Japanese IQ by about 15 points.
This difference in IQ likely explains why Africans generally fail to comprehend advanced mathematics.
Advanced mathematics is vital to creating technological breakthroughs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747250</id>
	<title>US != 50\% of world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263319080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't there more overseas companies than US companies? And if so, why should this be surprising in the slightest?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't there more overseas companies than US companies ?
And if so , why should this be surprising in the slightest ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't there more overseas companies than US companies?
And if so, why should this be surprising in the slightest?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747386</id>
	<title>Duh?</title>
	<author>dlgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1263320520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>This is hardly surprising. If you create a major, marketable invention, you're going to patent it pretty much everywhere. Since the US doesn't have a majority of the worlds population, thus it's not surprising that we have a large number of patents held by foreigners/foreign companies. I'm sure that there are patents held by US citizens/companies in tons of other countries as well. I'd be curious to see what these percentages are like in other countries, that might yield a more interesting system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is hardly surprising .
If you create a major , marketable invention , you 're going to patent it pretty much everywhere .
Since the US does n't have a majority of the worlds population , thus it 's not surprising that we have a large number of patents held by foreigners/foreign companies .
I 'm sure that there are patents held by US citizens/companies in tons of other countries as well .
I 'd be curious to see what these percentages are like in other countries , that might yield a more interesting system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is hardly surprising.
If you create a major, marketable invention, you're going to patent it pretty much everywhere.
Since the US doesn't have a majority of the worlds population, thus it's not surprising that we have a large number of patents held by foreigners/foreign companies.
I'm sure that there are patents held by US citizens/companies in tons of other countries as well.
I'd be curious to see what these percentages are like in other countries, that might yield a more interesting system.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747334</id>
	<title>Re:US != 50\% of world</title>
	<author>jwinster</author>
	<datestamp>1263320040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is their criteria for calling a company a US company now anyway?  Most of the companies that obsessively file patents these days are so multinational (outside of the defense industry) that national borders are kind of a moot point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is their criteria for calling a company a US company now anyway ?
Most of the companies that obsessively file patents these days are so multinational ( outside of the defense industry ) that national borders are kind of a moot point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is their criteria for calling a company a US company now anyway?
Most of the companies that obsessively file patents these days are so multinational (outside of the defense industry) that national borders are kind of a moot point.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748832</id>
	<title>Re:Incase we needed *yet another* wakeup call</title>
	<author>boombaard</author>
	<datestamp>1263385200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The reason is simple: We need to stop letting the government make life difficult for American business.</p></div></blockquote><p>I love <i>simple</i> reasons. Really. They're almost <i>always</i> accurate.<br>
Because fuck knows it wasn't the companies who asked for money to prop up their failing business models with, it was the government's fault for being captured and giving in.<br>
All that's happened in the past 20 years is people lobbying to get more freedoms for a select few companies, the government granting that because of no adequate oversight and a severe lack of foresight in legislators (perhaps partly due to regulatory capture, but that's pretty hard to reconstruct), and businesses capitalizing on that to fleece everyone they could out of their money.<br>
And yet, somehow, this is all the fault of government rather than of the egotistical fuckers who feel it is their "duty" to maximize corporate profit (and get "healthy" bonuses out of it in the process). The credit market was destroyed because the banks can currently borrow from the government at no cost, and use that money any way they like, which is far less risky than loaning to businesses. Which is why they don't feel the need to try to restart small loans etc. anymore. And there were no strings attached to those loans because of filthy little fuckers like Geithner and Summers who conveniently forgot, or claimed that "regulation at this point would keep the banks from using and applying their expertise".</p><p>
<b>No aspect of this "crash" has anything to do with the crippling effects of regulation, if anything, regulations prevented it, until they were abolished (Glass-Steagal, leverage rules for the big 5 being suspended in a backroom without oversight, you name it they've done it) through lobbying by rich people who wanted to become richer and didn't care what the effects would be for everyone else.</b> And all of this largely made possible because senators are so dependent on campaign contributions (much more so now in the age of TV than ever before) that they will suck anyone's cock just so they can stay in power a bit longer. Why US citizens accept this to be the case I haven't the faintest, but it's probably because nobody in the MSM is really pointing people towards the fact that only on token issues (abortion) where the public "speaks up" they have any input in the process any more.<br>
"We do the opposite of what would help" because the things that are done then do help a group of perhaps 10.000-100.000 people who have the most say. Only their interests don't really always mesh very well with the interests of the other 300 million.<br> bureaucratic rules that small companies have to adhere to explain perhaps 0.001\% of the variance, but considering how much money they make compared to the big ones, your problems really don't matter.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The reason is simple : We need to stop letting the government make life difficult for American business.I love simple reasons .
Really. They 're almost always accurate .
Because fuck knows it was n't the companies who asked for money to prop up their failing business models with , it was the government 's fault for being captured and giving in .
All that 's happened in the past 20 years is people lobbying to get more freedoms for a select few companies , the government granting that because of no adequate oversight and a severe lack of foresight in legislators ( perhaps partly due to regulatory capture , but that 's pretty hard to reconstruct ) , and businesses capitalizing on that to fleece everyone they could out of their money .
And yet , somehow , this is all the fault of government rather than of the egotistical fuckers who feel it is their " duty " to maximize corporate profit ( and get " healthy " bonuses out of it in the process ) .
The credit market was destroyed because the banks can currently borrow from the government at no cost , and use that money any way they like , which is far less risky than loaning to businesses .
Which is why they do n't feel the need to try to restart small loans etc .
anymore. And there were no strings attached to those loans because of filthy little fuckers like Geithner and Summers who conveniently forgot , or claimed that " regulation at this point would keep the banks from using and applying their expertise " .
No aspect of this " crash " has anything to do with the crippling effects of regulation , if anything , regulations prevented it , until they were abolished ( Glass-Steagal , leverage rules for the big 5 being suspended in a backroom without oversight , you name it they 've done it ) through lobbying by rich people who wanted to become richer and did n't care what the effects would be for everyone else .
And all of this largely made possible because senators are so dependent on campaign contributions ( much more so now in the age of TV than ever before ) that they will suck anyone 's cock just so they can stay in power a bit longer .
Why US citizens accept this to be the case I have n't the faintest , but it 's probably because nobody in the MSM is really pointing people towards the fact that only on token issues ( abortion ) where the public " speaks up " they have any input in the process any more .
" We do the opposite of what would help " because the things that are done then do help a group of perhaps 10.000-100.000 people who have the most say .
Only their interests do n't really always mesh very well with the interests of the other 300 million .
bureaucratic rules that small companies have to adhere to explain perhaps 0.001 \ % of the variance , but considering how much money they make compared to the big ones , your problems really do n't matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason is simple: We need to stop letting the government make life difficult for American business.I love simple reasons.
Really. They're almost always accurate.
Because fuck knows it wasn't the companies who asked for money to prop up their failing business models with, it was the government's fault for being captured and giving in.
All that's happened in the past 20 years is people lobbying to get more freedoms for a select few companies, the government granting that because of no adequate oversight and a severe lack of foresight in legislators (perhaps partly due to regulatory capture, but that's pretty hard to reconstruct), and businesses capitalizing on that to fleece everyone they could out of their money.
And yet, somehow, this is all the fault of government rather than of the egotistical fuckers who feel it is their "duty" to maximize corporate profit (and get "healthy" bonuses out of it in the process).
The credit market was destroyed because the banks can currently borrow from the government at no cost, and use that money any way they like, which is far less risky than loaning to businesses.
Which is why they don't feel the need to try to restart small loans etc.
anymore. And there were no strings attached to those loans because of filthy little fuckers like Geithner and Summers who conveniently forgot, or claimed that "regulation at this point would keep the banks from using and applying their expertise".
No aspect of this "crash" has anything to do with the crippling effects of regulation, if anything, regulations prevented it, until they were abolished (Glass-Steagal, leverage rules for the big 5 being suspended in a backroom without oversight, you name it they've done it) through lobbying by rich people who wanted to become richer and didn't care what the effects would be for everyone else.
And all of this largely made possible because senators are so dependent on campaign contributions (much more so now in the age of TV than ever before) that they will suck anyone's cock just so they can stay in power a bit longer.
Why US citizens accept this to be the case I haven't the faintest, but it's probably because nobody in the MSM is really pointing people towards the fact that only on token issues (abortion) where the public "speaks up" they have any input in the process any more.
"We do the opposite of what would help" because the things that are done then do help a group of perhaps 10.000-100.000 people who have the most say.
Only their interests don't really always mesh very well with the interests of the other 300 million.
bureaucratic rules that small companies have to adhere to explain perhaps 0.001\% of the variance, but considering how much money they make compared to the big ones, your problems really don't matter.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748546</id>
	<title>Consider quality?</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1263380460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity</i></p><p>If the companies with the largest portfolios of new patents in the US include Microsoft, and given a few of the Microsoft patents highlighted in Slashdot over the year... I think the US is worse off than the numbers make it sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's important to consider quality , as well as quantityIf the companies with the largest portfolios of new patents in the US include Microsoft , and given a few of the Microsoft patents highlighted in Slashdot over the year... I think the US is worse off than the numbers make it sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's important to consider quality, as well as quantityIf the companies with the largest portfolios of new patents in the US include Microsoft, and given a few of the Microsoft patents highlighted in Slashdot over the year... I think the US is worse off than the numbers make it sound.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747676</id>
	<title>Re:Coincidence?</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1263323340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think patents from other companies aren't as trivial as those, you haven't looked hard enough. Or read Slashdot for long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think patents from other companies are n't as trivial as those , you have n't looked hard enough .
Or read Slashdot for long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think patents from other companies aren't as trivial as those, you haven't looked hard enough.
Or read Slashdot for long.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748288</id>
	<title>Re:Incase we needed *yet another* wakeup call</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1263376680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the government does to companies is makes it harder for them to compete with each other and harder for them to compete with countries outside of the United States.  It also allows them to fuck consumers hard and fast.  If we stop letting them fuck consumers, it will cost them money.  If we make it to where they can compete, it will cost them money.  If we make them more able to compete, it'll give them some money, but we'll be drinking concentrated sulfuric acid out of our drinking wells.</p><p>So what can we do?  All we really have to do is endure.  Eventually a good chunk of China will become contaminated with whatever they're dumping in their back yards (factories open, stay open for a few years, and then are forced to close because their polluted ground/water systems are killing the workers).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the government does to companies is makes it harder for them to compete with each other and harder for them to compete with countries outside of the United States .
It also allows them to fuck consumers hard and fast .
If we stop letting them fuck consumers , it will cost them money .
If we make it to where they can compete , it will cost them money .
If we make them more able to compete , it 'll give them some money , but we 'll be drinking concentrated sulfuric acid out of our drinking wells.So what can we do ?
All we really have to do is endure .
Eventually a good chunk of China will become contaminated with whatever they 're dumping in their back yards ( factories open , stay open for a few years , and then are forced to close because their polluted ground/water systems are killing the workers ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the government does to companies is makes it harder for them to compete with each other and harder for them to compete with countries outside of the United States.
It also allows them to fuck consumers hard and fast.
If we stop letting them fuck consumers, it will cost them money.
If we make it to where they can compete, it will cost them money.
If we make them more able to compete, it'll give them some money, but we'll be drinking concentrated sulfuric acid out of our drinking wells.So what can we do?
All we really have to do is endure.
Eventually a good chunk of China will become contaminated with whatever they're dumping in their back yards (factories open, stay open for a few years, and then are forced to close because their polluted ground/water systems are killing the workers).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747842</id>
	<title>Foreign != Overseas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263326160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The poster is misquoting the article, which indicates that foreign companies counted for more than 50\%.  There are several countries technically foreign to the US that are not overseas, at least not from the US perspective (not counting Hawaii) - Canada and Mexico to name 2.</p><p>Considering that most foreign companies with anything to sell  will want to sell into one of the largest markets in the world, it's only prudent of them to apply for patents there.  In terms of being a source of intellectual capital - compare 6+ billion against 300+ million and realize that the US is definitely outnumbered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The poster is misquoting the article , which indicates that foreign companies counted for more than 50 \ % .
There are several countries technically foreign to the US that are not overseas , at least not from the US perspective ( not counting Hawaii ) - Canada and Mexico to name 2.Considering that most foreign companies with anything to sell will want to sell into one of the largest markets in the world , it 's only prudent of them to apply for patents there .
In terms of being a source of intellectual capital - compare 6 + billion against 300 + million and realize that the US is definitely outnumbered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The poster is misquoting the article, which indicates that foreign companies counted for more than 50\%.
There are several countries technically foreign to the US that are not overseas, at least not from the US perspective (not counting Hawaii) - Canada and Mexico to name 2.Considering that most foreign companies with anything to sell  will want to sell into one of the largest markets in the world, it's only prudent of them to apply for patents there.
In terms of being a source of intellectual capital - compare 6+ billion against 300+ million and realize that the US is definitely outnumbered.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747128</id>
	<title>Stick a fork in it, the US is done</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263318120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We mortgaged our future to out-spend the Soviets, and set up a death spiral of credit thats choking the country.  When the US finally fizzles, let the rest of the world turn to China for help, and see how far they get.   At least the Chinese don't sugar-coat the conditions they'll impose.  Too bad the US Govt sold its western oil reserves to Al Gore (google Occidental Petroleum and Elk Hills), else we'd at least maintain a formidable military presence in the Pacific.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We mortgaged our future to out-spend the Soviets , and set up a death spiral of credit thats choking the country .
When the US finally fizzles , let the rest of the world turn to China for help , and see how far they get .
At least the Chinese do n't sugar-coat the conditions they 'll impose .
Too bad the US Govt sold its western oil reserves to Al Gore ( google Occidental Petroleum and Elk Hills ) , else we 'd at least maintain a formidable military presence in the Pacific .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We mortgaged our future to out-spend the Soviets, and set up a death spiral of credit thats choking the country.
When the US finally fizzles, let the rest of the world turn to China for help, and see how far they get.
At least the Chinese don't sugar-coat the conditions they'll impose.
Too bad the US Govt sold its western oil reserves to Al Gore (google Occidental Petroleum and Elk Hills), else we'd at least maintain a formidable military presence in the Pacific.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747754</id>
	<title>quality doesn't matter</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263324900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Quality doesn't really matter.<br>When you have enough patents you can always find one that suits your needs.</p><p>The U.S. has foolishly decided that it could give up producing any tangible goods and live by simply creating "Intellectual Property".<br>Well you know what? Other countries can and have always been creating as much "Intellectual Property" as the U.S. all along, but they haven't given up the other productions (Germany, China, India,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p><p>Given recent restriction on brain importations imposed by a recent genial govt. the U.S. has also put a brake to its creation of I.P.<br>Those brains are not going to sit idle, they are going to produce I.P. elsewhere, where they are accepted and treated fairly.<br>Either in their home countries, or in others like Singapore, Europe, etc...</p><p>Once the U.S. will loose their lead in I.P. creation there will be nothing left except a huge debt with China.<br>I believe the U.S. have just one ace left; their legendary ability to reinvent themselves.<br>But that was easier when the country was younger and politicians were not just puppets of a few greedy myopic corporations that can't see beyond a few quarters time frame.</p><p>But there is always hope<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and change<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh wait!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quality does n't really matter.When you have enough patents you can always find one that suits your needs.The U.S. has foolishly decided that it could give up producing any tangible goods and live by simply creating " Intellectual Property " .Well you know what ?
Other countries can and have always been creating as much " Intellectual Property " as the U.S. all along , but they have n't given up the other productions ( Germany , China , India , ... ) Given recent restriction on brain importations imposed by a recent genial govt .
the U.S. has also put a brake to its creation of I.P.Those brains are not going to sit idle , they are going to produce I.P .
elsewhere , where they are accepted and treated fairly.Either in their home countries , or in others like Singapore , Europe , etc...Once the U.S. will loose their lead in I.P .
creation there will be nothing left except a huge debt with China.I believe the U.S. have just one ace left ; their legendary ability to reinvent themselves.But that was easier when the country was younger and politicians were not just puppets of a few greedy myopic corporations that ca n't see beyond a few quarters time frame.But there is always hope ... and change ... ... ... oh wait !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quality doesn't really matter.When you have enough patents you can always find one that suits your needs.The U.S. has foolishly decided that it could give up producing any tangible goods and live by simply creating "Intellectual Property".Well you know what?
Other countries can and have always been creating as much "Intellectual Property" as the U.S. all along, but they haven't given up the other productions (Germany, China, India, ...)Given recent restriction on brain importations imposed by a recent genial govt.
the U.S. has also put a brake to its creation of I.P.Those brains are not going to sit idle, they are going to produce I.P.
elsewhere, where they are accepted and treated fairly.Either in their home countries, or in others like Singapore, Europe, etc...Once the U.S. will loose their lead in I.P.
creation there will be nothing left except a huge debt with China.I believe the U.S. have just one ace left; their legendary ability to reinvent themselves.But that was easier when the country was younger and politicians were not just puppets of a few greedy myopic corporations that can't see beyond a few quarters time frame.But there is always hope ... and change ... ... ... oh wait!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748602</id>
	<title>Re:Incase we needed *yet another* wakeup call</title>
	<author>tehcyder</author>
	<datestamp>1263381240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've personally always wanted to be in buisiness for myself, but recently it's become all but impossible due to the taxes, regulations and so on. You know what it takes to hire a single employee? Payroll tax, record keeping regulations, insurance, OSHA compliance, registration, W-40, workers comp insurance. I can't do it!</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Ah yes, the evil government is stopping you from being an entrepreneur.  Of course.  The US must be like an even more restrictive version of the USSR if it is impossible to practise capitalism.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've personally always wanted to be in buisiness for myself , but recently it 's become all but impossible due to the taxes , regulations and so on .
You know what it takes to hire a single employee ?
Payroll tax , record keeping regulations , insurance , OSHA compliance , registration , W-40 , workers comp insurance .
I ca n't do it !
Ah yes , the evil government is stopping you from being an entrepreneur .
Of course .
The US must be like an even more restrictive version of the USSR if it is impossible to practise capitalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've personally always wanted to be in buisiness for myself, but recently it's become all but impossible due to the taxes, regulations and so on.
You know what it takes to hire a single employee?
Payroll tax, record keeping regulations, insurance, OSHA compliance, registration, W-40, workers comp insurance.
I can't do it!
Ah yes, the evil government is stopping you from being an entrepreneur.
Of course.
The US must be like an even more restrictive version of the USSR if it is impossible to practise capitalism.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747796</id>
	<title>No, we're not losing ground.... nope!</title>
	<author>mcrbids</author>
	<datestamp>1263325500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>'It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity.'</i></p><p>Riiiighhht. Just because we used to out-engineer the world by a long shot, and now the world has not only reached parity, but has done so on our own soil, doesn't mean that our position is weakened any! No, not that. Never mind that we train fewer engineers (as a percentage) than ever before. Never mind that we don't pay our engineers value anywhere near their wealth production, while we pay craptastic CEOs millions to help their companies lose billions, and then bail out the companies so that they can do it all over again, while pissing away trillions of dollars in a war that the media does its best to ignore. You know, the war in that country that bankrupted the USSR during its war there in the 1970s? No, never mind that!</p><p>Stick your f-cking heads back in the sand, you know, where it's still nice and warm, and just ignore that cold, cold north wind!</p><p>If America doesn't turn NOW, and re-emphasize infrastructure, education, and wealth production, then we are guaranteed to step down as a "player" in the world leadership. Unfortunately, all signs are showing otherwise, from bailing out financial crooks and giving them leadership positions to teaching Intelligent Design and other travesties of knowledge in our schools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'It 's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents , it 's important to consider quality , as well as quantity.'Riiiighhht .
Just because we used to out-engineer the world by a long shot , and now the world has not only reached parity , but has done so on our own soil , does n't mean that our position is weakened any !
No , not that .
Never mind that we train fewer engineers ( as a percentage ) than ever before .
Never mind that we do n't pay our engineers value anywhere near their wealth production , while we pay craptastic CEOs millions to help their companies lose billions , and then bail out the companies so that they can do it all over again , while pissing away trillions of dollars in a war that the media does its best to ignore .
You know , the war in that country that bankrupted the USSR during its war there in the 1970s ?
No , never mind that ! Stick your f-cking heads back in the sand , you know , where it 's still nice and warm , and just ignore that cold , cold north wind ! If America does n't turn NOW , and re-emphasize infrastructure , education , and wealth production , then we are guaranteed to step down as a " player " in the world leadership .
Unfortunately , all signs are showing otherwise , from bailing out financial crooks and giving them leadership positions to teaching Intelligent Design and other travesties of knowledge in our schools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity.'Riiiighhht.
Just because we used to out-engineer the world by a long shot, and now the world has not only reached parity, but has done so on our own soil, doesn't mean that our position is weakened any!
No, not that.
Never mind that we train fewer engineers (as a percentage) than ever before.
Never mind that we don't pay our engineers value anywhere near their wealth production, while we pay craptastic CEOs millions to help their companies lose billions, and then bail out the companies so that they can do it all over again, while pissing away trillions of dollars in a war that the media does its best to ignore.
You know, the war in that country that bankrupted the USSR during its war there in the 1970s?
No, never mind that!Stick your f-cking heads back in the sand, you know, where it's still nice and warm, and just ignore that cold, cold north wind!If America doesn't turn NOW, and re-emphasize infrastructure, education, and wealth production, then we are guaranteed to step down as a "player" in the world leadership.
Unfortunately, all signs are showing otherwise, from bailing out financial crooks and giving them leadership positions to teaching Intelligent Design and other travesties of knowledge in our schools.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747322</id>
	<title>The economic argument is getting worse</title>
	<author>H4x0r Jim Duggan</author>
	<datestamp>1263319860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>
  I can only speak for the domain of software development, but there was a period from 1996-2008 when the USA was disproportionately feeling the rewards of software patenting.  The rewards were always severly outweighed by the costs (<a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/2008\_State\_of\_Software\_Patents" title="swpat.org">$11 billion in 2008</a> [swpat.org]), but there were always people pointing at these rewards.</p><p>
  Now that the companies of the USA's economy will increasingly become the targets of software patents instead of the users, those rewards will diminishing.</p><p>
  Patent policy for other domains can be considered while only looking at the economic effects.  For software, the social effects have to be considered too because software development is something that individuals can do and participate in - like writing a book, reporting news, or writing music.  So, it makes sense to have <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Studies\_on\_economics\_and\_innovation" title="swpat.org">economic studies</a> [swpat.org] to make our point, but we also have to remember to have <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Arguments" title="swpat.org">other arguments</a> [swpat.org] and to point out that these other issues exist.
</p><p>
  The good news is that there's the <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Bilski\_v.\_Kappos\_(2009,\_USA)" title="swpat.org">Bilski case</a> [swpat.org] which might solve the problem, and there are also <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/en.swpat.org:Current\_events" title="swpat.org">initiatives in other countries</a> [swpat.org], most notably <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Israel" title="swpat.org">Israel</a> [swpat.org], <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/New\_Zealand" title="swpat.org">New\_Zealand</a> [swpat.org], <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/EPO\_EBA\_referral\_G3-08" title="swpat.org">the EU</a> [swpat.org], <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Australia" title="swpat.org">Australia</a> [swpat.org], and something starting in <a href="http://en.swpat.org/wiki/India" title="swpat.org"> </a> [swpat.org].  Help sought.
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<tokenext>I can only speak for the domain of software development , but there was a period from 1996-2008 when the USA was disproportionately feeling the rewards of software patenting .
The rewards were always severly outweighed by the costs ( $ 11 billion in 2008 [ swpat.org ] ) , but there were always people pointing at these rewards .
Now that the companies of the USA 's economy will increasingly become the targets of software patents instead of the users , those rewards will diminishing .
Patent policy for other domains can be considered while only looking at the economic effects .
For software , the social effects have to be considered too because software development is something that individuals can do and participate in - like writing a book , reporting news , or writing music .
So , it makes sense to have economic studies [ swpat.org ] to make our point , but we also have to remember to have other arguments [ swpat.org ] and to point out that these other issues exist .
The good news is that there 's the Bilski case [ swpat.org ] which might solve the problem , and there are also initiatives in other countries [ swpat.org ] , most notably Israel [ swpat.org ] , New \ _Zealand [ swpat.org ] , the EU [ swpat.org ] , Australia [ swpat.org ] , and something starting in [ swpat.org ] .
Help sought .</tokentext>
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  I can only speak for the domain of software development, but there was a period from 1996-2008 when the USA was disproportionately feeling the rewards of software patenting.
The rewards were always severly outweighed by the costs ($11 billion in 2008 [swpat.org]), but there were always people pointing at these rewards.
Now that the companies of the USA's economy will increasingly become the targets of software patents instead of the users, those rewards will diminishing.
Patent policy for other domains can be considered while only looking at the economic effects.
For software, the social effects have to be considered too because software development is something that individuals can do and participate in - like writing a book, reporting news, or writing music.
So, it makes sense to have economic studies [swpat.org] to make our point, but we also have to remember to have other arguments [swpat.org] and to point out that these other issues exist.
The good news is that there's the Bilski case [swpat.org] which might solve the problem, and there are also initiatives in other countries [swpat.org], most notably Israel [swpat.org], New\_Zealand [swpat.org], the EU [swpat.org], Australia [swpat.org], and something starting in   [swpat.org].
Help sought.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747426</id>
	<title>Re:Stick a fork in it, the US is done</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>As a foreigner i see this a a huge win for the US.</p><p>Just think, the US patent system has attracted the cash of thousands of foreign companies. Sure, it might just be because the US is the only country allowing things such as the "do some every day task but on the internet" type patents, but whatever the reason, you have foreigners paying money into the US patent system. The filing fee for a software patent can be ~$10,000 according to Google.<br>I wish my country had a stupid patent system raking in the dough like that. </p><p>Here in Australia It's quite common for people who have never been to the US to be extradited for not giving in to IP trolls. The US government even provides a mechanism to help the patent trolls do this called the USPTO-IPAU patent prosecution highway.<br>http://www.uspto.gov/patents/init\_events/pph/pph\_ipau.jsp</p><p>The Hew Raymond Griffiths case showed us that apparently the internet is allowable jurisdiction for court of Virginia and that IP crimes are enough for extradition.</p><p>So if we Australians were ever to think about creating a competitor to Amazon for example we'd probably get a letter stating we have violated their 'one-click' patent. We couldn't fight it without traveling to the states yet if we didn't fight it we'd be extradited. In the end you'd need a US patent portfolio of your own.</p><p>All in all this broken system is a win for the US. You have foreigners pouring in money to the US government and legal system. Any foreigner that pisses of a US organisation can be extradited by simple patent trolling.</p><p>Move over US car industry, your replacement has arrived - international IP trolling, backed by the long arm of US international law enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a foreigner i see this a a huge win for the US.Just think , the US patent system has attracted the cash of thousands of foreign companies .
Sure , it might just be because the US is the only country allowing things such as the " do some every day task but on the internet " type patents , but whatever the reason , you have foreigners paying money into the US patent system .
The filing fee for a software patent can be ~ $ 10,000 according to Google.I wish my country had a stupid patent system raking in the dough like that .
Here in Australia It 's quite common for people who have never been to the US to be extradited for not giving in to IP trolls .
The US government even provides a mechanism to help the patent trolls do this called the USPTO-IPAU patent prosecution highway.http : //www.uspto.gov/patents/init \ _events/pph/pph \ _ipau.jspThe Hew Raymond Griffiths case showed us that apparently the internet is allowable jurisdiction for court of Virginia and that IP crimes are enough for extradition.So if we Australians were ever to think about creating a competitor to Amazon for example we 'd probably get a letter stating we have violated their 'one-click ' patent .
We could n't fight it without traveling to the states yet if we did n't fight it we 'd be extradited .
In the end you 'd need a US patent portfolio of your own.All in all this broken system is a win for the US .
You have foreigners pouring in money to the US government and legal system .
Any foreigner that pisses of a US organisation can be extradited by simple patent trolling.Move over US car industry , your replacement has arrived - international IP trolling , backed by the long arm of US international law enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a foreigner i see this a a huge win for the US.Just think, the US patent system has attracted the cash of thousands of foreign companies.
Sure, it might just be because the US is the only country allowing things such as the "do some every day task but on the internet" type patents, but whatever the reason, you have foreigners paying money into the US patent system.
The filing fee for a software patent can be ~$10,000 according to Google.I wish my country had a stupid patent system raking in the dough like that.
Here in Australia It's quite common for people who have never been to the US to be extradited for not giving in to IP trolls.
The US government even provides a mechanism to help the patent trolls do this called the USPTO-IPAU patent prosecution highway.http://www.uspto.gov/patents/init\_events/pph/pph\_ipau.jspThe Hew Raymond Griffiths case showed us that apparently the internet is allowable jurisdiction for court of Virginia and that IP crimes are enough for extradition.So if we Australians were ever to think about creating a competitor to Amazon for example we'd probably get a letter stating we have violated their 'one-click' patent.
We couldn't fight it without traveling to the states yet if we didn't fight it we'd be extradited.
In the end you'd need a US patent portfolio of your own.All in all this broken system is a win for the US.
You have foreigners pouring in money to the US government and legal system.
Any foreigner that pisses of a US organisation can be extradited by simple patent trolling.Move over US car industry, your replacement has arrived - international IP trolling, backed by the long arm of US international law enforcement.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747588</id>
	<title>Trends probably understated</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1263322560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity</p></div><p>If we do make that consideration, then it's probably worse. Keep in mind that a) we have a thriving patent troll industry in the US, and b) anyone outside the US who bothers to patent in the US probably is more likely to have something worth patenting.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents , it 's important to consider quality , as well as quantityIf we do make that consideration , then it 's probably worse .
Keep in mind that a ) we have a thriving patent troll industry in the US , and b ) anyone outside the US who bothers to patent in the US probably is more likely to have something worth patenting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantityIf we do make that consideration, then it's probably worse.
Keep in mind that a) we have a thriving patent troll industry in the US, and b) anyone outside the US who bothers to patent in the US probably is more likely to have something worth patenting.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30750600</id>
	<title>Re:Coincidence?</title>
	<author>Theaetetus</author>
	<datestamp>1263398520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hard to beat out IBM when it's submitting applications for <a href="http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">LOL</a> [slashdot.org], <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/26/159249/IBM-Wants-Patent-For-Regex-SSN-Validation" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">regex for SSN verification</a> [slashdot.org], <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/16/1917253/IBM-Patents-Changing-Color-of-E-Mail-Text" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">changing the color of email text</a> [slashdot.org], and <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/08/2046215/IBM-Invents-40-Minute-Meetings" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">40 minute meetings</a> [slashdot.org].</p></div><p>You know how I know you didn't actually read any of those patents, just the inaccurate Slashdot summaries?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Hard to beat out IBM when it 's submitting applications for LOL [ slashdot.org ] , regex for SSN verification [ slashdot.org ] , changing the color of email text [ slashdot.org ] , and 40 minute meetings [ slashdot.org ] .You know how I know you did n't actually read any of those patents , just the inaccurate Slashdot summaries ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to beat out IBM when it's submitting applications for LOL [slashdot.org], regex for SSN verification [slashdot.org], changing the color of email text [slashdot.org], and 40 minute meetings [slashdot.org].You know how I know you didn't actually read any of those patents, just the inaccurate Slashdot summaries?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30749186</id>
	<title>Re:US != 50\% of world</title>
	<author>Half-pint HAL</author>
	<datestamp>1263389760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p> <i>What you're ignoring is the trend - the majority of US patents being for foreign companies is a new thing. It indicates US economic dominance is in decline.</i> </p><p>Does it?  It may instead indicate that cross-border economic activity is on the increase.  While this may (arguably) show a relative decrease in US dominance of the domestic trade, it doesn't preclude the possibility of an increase in the US dominance of <i>global</i> trade.</p><p>HAL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 're ignoring is the trend - the majority of US patents being for foreign companies is a new thing .
It indicates US economic dominance is in decline .
Does it ?
It may instead indicate that cross-border economic activity is on the increase .
While this may ( arguably ) show a relative decrease in US dominance of the domestic trade , it does n't preclude the possibility of an increase in the US dominance of global trade.HAL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> What you're ignoring is the trend - the majority of US patents being for foreign companies is a new thing.
It indicates US economic dominance is in decline.
Does it?
It may instead indicate that cross-border economic activity is on the increase.
While this may (arguably) show a relative decrease in US dominance of the domestic trade, it doesn't preclude the possibility of an increase in the US dominance of global trade.HAL.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748566</id>
	<title>Re:Stick a fork in it, the US is done</title>
	<author>javilon</author>
	<datestamp>1263380700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean honestly do you expect 6\% of the population to produce 50+\% of the worlds intellectual property?</p></div><p>Well I don't think that was the idea exactly. The idea was that by having the most obnoxiously expansive patent system in the world, and granting obvious patents for a number of things, the USA would have an economic advantage over its neighbors, where patent laws are saner. The USA corporations could attack foreign corporations using this stupid laws and this would give the USA a competitive advantage.</p><p>In other words, it wouldn't mean that 6\% of the population produces 50+\% of the worlds intellectual property, but that corporations based on a country with 6\% of the population <i>file 50+\% of the world's patents</i>. Thats a very different proposition.</p><p>But of course foreign corporations are adapting to USA laws and now they patent stupid and obvious things on the USA like native companies do. This negates USA the benefit of this strategy and means that it will likely be changed in the future.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I mean honestly do you expect 6 \ % of the population to produce 50 + \ % of the worlds intellectual property ? Well I do n't think that was the idea exactly .
The idea was that by having the most obnoxiously expansive patent system in the world , and granting obvious patents for a number of things , the USA would have an economic advantage over its neighbors , where patent laws are saner .
The USA corporations could attack foreign corporations using this stupid laws and this would give the USA a competitive advantage.In other words , it would n't mean that 6 \ % of the population produces 50 + \ % of the worlds intellectual property , but that corporations based on a country with 6 \ % of the population file 50 + \ % of the world 's patents .
Thats a very different proposition.But of course foreign corporations are adapting to USA laws and now they patent stupid and obvious things on the USA like native companies do .
This negates USA the benefit of this strategy and means that it will likely be changed in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean honestly do you expect 6\% of the population to produce 50+\% of the worlds intellectual property?Well I don't think that was the idea exactly.
The idea was that by having the most obnoxiously expansive patent system in the world, and granting obvious patents for a number of things, the USA would have an economic advantage over its neighbors, where patent laws are saner.
The USA corporations could attack foreign corporations using this stupid laws and this would give the USA a competitive advantage.In other words, it wouldn't mean that 6\% of the population produces 50+\% of the worlds intellectual property, but that corporations based on a country with 6\% of the population file 50+\% of the world's patents.
Thats a very different proposition.But of course foreign corporations are adapting to USA laws and now they patent stupid and obvious things on the USA like native companies do.
This negates USA the benefit of this strategy and means that it will likely be changed in the future.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748294</id>
	<title>Quality of patents?</title>
	<author>HuguesT</author>
	<datestamp>1263376740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Since when did quality of patent matter ? The significant numbers of patent trolls out there is proof enough that it doesn't much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when did quality of patent matter ?
The significant numbers of patent trolls out there is proof enough that it does n't much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when did quality of patent matter ?
The significant numbers of patent trolls out there is proof enough that it doesn't much.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747484</id>
	<title>The end of the Patent System</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263321300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>If other countries began to win with this rules, is time to change the rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If other countries began to win with this rules , is time to change the rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If other countries began to win with this rules, is time to change the rules.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30750512</id>
	<title>Re:US != 50\% of world</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1263398160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Not necessarily. The percentage of patents being granted to residents of a country doesn't tell the whole story. For example, Japan has an <a href="http://home.gwu.edu/~gmichael/img/graphs\_percentage\_resident/resident\_Japan.png" title="gwu.edu">extremely high percentage</a> [gwu.edu]... but recently, so has <a href="http://home.gwu.edu/~gmichael/img/graphs\_percentage\_resident/resident\_Armenia.png" title="gwu.edu">Armenia.</a> [gwu.edu] You can't therefore conclude that both Japan and Armenia are economically dominant. What this percentage best shows you is the attractiveness of patenting a product in that domestic market. In that sense, to a certain degree the more foreigners who want to patent in the U.S., the more attractive our market is to them - which almost leads to the opposite of your conclusion.</p><p>The consistently high Japanese numbers have to do with the level of innovation in that country, yes, but also with the fact that when it comes to patent heavy sectors (technology, chemicals, pharma), their economy is almost entirely export driven. How many U.S. companies do you see making products for the Japanese domestic market versus the other way around?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not necessarily .
The percentage of patents being granted to residents of a country does n't tell the whole story .
For example , Japan has an extremely high percentage [ gwu.edu ] ... but recently , so has Armenia .
[ gwu.edu ] You ca n't therefore conclude that both Japan and Armenia are economically dominant .
What this percentage best shows you is the attractiveness of patenting a product in that domestic market .
In that sense , to a certain degree the more foreigners who want to patent in the U.S. , the more attractive our market is to them - which almost leads to the opposite of your conclusion.The consistently high Japanese numbers have to do with the level of innovation in that country , yes , but also with the fact that when it comes to patent heavy sectors ( technology , chemicals , pharma ) , their economy is almost entirely export driven .
How many U.S. companies do you see making products for the Japanese domestic market versus the other way around ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not necessarily.
The percentage of patents being granted to residents of a country doesn't tell the whole story.
For example, Japan has an extremely high percentage [gwu.edu]... but recently, so has Armenia.
[gwu.edu] You can't therefore conclude that both Japan and Armenia are economically dominant.
What this percentage best shows you is the attractiveness of patenting a product in that domestic market.
In that sense, to a certain degree the more foreigners who want to patent in the U.S., the more attractive our market is to them - which almost leads to the opposite of your conclusion.The consistently high Japanese numbers have to do with the level of innovation in that country, yes, but also with the fact that when it comes to patent heavy sectors (technology, chemicals, pharma), their economy is almost entirely export driven.
How many U.S. companies do you see making products for the Japanese domestic market versus the other way around?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747498</id>
	<title>Judge rules in quantity vs. quality case</title>
	<author>Interoperable</author>
	<datestamp>1263321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...<a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/09/1829241/Google-Seeking-Patent-On-Ads-For-Street-View?art\_pos=4" title="slashdot.org">it's</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/08/153238/Microsoft-Patents-DRMd-Torrents?art\_pos=5" title="slashdot.org">important</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/04/2321226/HP-Patents-Bignum-Implementation-From-1912?art\_pos=7" title="slashdot.org">to</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/01/02/1614226/Why-Apple-Denied-the-Google-Latitude-App?art\_pos=8" title="slashdot.org">consider</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM?art\_pos=10" title="slashdot.org">quality</a> [slashdot.org], <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/29/2143218/Nokia-Claims-Patent-Violations-in-Most-Apple-Products?art\_pos=14" title="slashdot.org">as</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/22/1936214/Microsoft-Ordered-To-Pay-290M-Stop-Selling-Word" title="slashdot.org">well</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/12/18/1649253/Microsoft-Seeks-Patent-On-Shaming-Fat-Gamers" title="slashdot.org">as</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/12/12/1942207/Microsoft-Invents-Price-Gouging-the-Least-Influential" title="slashdot.org">quantity</a> [slashdot.org].</p></div><p>To name a few.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...it 's [ slashdot.org ] important [ slashdot.org ] to [ slashdot.org ] consider [ slashdot.org ] quality [ slashdot.org ] , as [ slashdot.org ] well [ slashdot.org ] as [ slashdot.org ] quantity [ slashdot.org ] .To name a few .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...it's [slashdot.org] important [slashdot.org] to [slashdot.org] consider [slashdot.org] quality [slashdot.org], as [slashdot.org] well [slashdot.org] as [slashdot.org] quantity [slashdot.org].To name a few.
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	<title>Incase we needed *yet another* wakeup call</title>
	<author>DrBuzzo</author>
	<datestamp>1263324480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It's not over for the US, or at least, it does not have to be.   We've gone through hard time before and gotten out of them.  In the 1970's, 1980's and other occasions the US was said to be done and someone else was taking over (the Soviet Union, Japan etc).   The US can reinvent itself and get momentum going in the right direction, but we need to do it now and stop with the destructive behavior.  The longer we wait the worse it gets.
<br> <br>
The reason is simple:  We need to stop letting the government make life difficult for American buisiness.   The government already destroyed the credit market by subsidizing high risk loans and now we're facing a huge debt problem, not personal debt but government debt.   Regulations have become crippling.    It's choking American enterprise.
<br> <br>
I've personally always wanted to be in buisiness for myself, but recently it's become all but impossible due to the taxes, regulations and so on.   You know what it takes to hire a single employee?  Payroll tax, record keeping regulations, insurance, OSHA compliance, registration, W-40, workers comp insurance.   I can't do it!    It's gotten so bad no matter how bad I want to expand, I can't do it.   The current administration has made it so much worse.
<br> <br>
What does this have to do with patents?  Everything.  The current economic outlook and avaliable funding and ability to take an idea and run with it just isn't what it used to be.   It's not because China or Europe or anyone is doing anything great, it's because we keep shooting our-self in the foot and then when things get worse, we do the polar opposite of what would help!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not over for the US , or at least , it does not have to be .
We 've gone through hard time before and gotten out of them .
In the 1970 's , 1980 's and other occasions the US was said to be done and someone else was taking over ( the Soviet Union , Japan etc ) .
The US can reinvent itself and get momentum going in the right direction , but we need to do it now and stop with the destructive behavior .
The longer we wait the worse it gets .
The reason is simple : We need to stop letting the government make life difficult for American buisiness .
The government already destroyed the credit market by subsidizing high risk loans and now we 're facing a huge debt problem , not personal debt but government debt .
Regulations have become crippling .
It 's choking American enterprise .
I 've personally always wanted to be in buisiness for myself , but recently it 's become all but impossible due to the taxes , regulations and so on .
You know what it takes to hire a single employee ?
Payroll tax , record keeping regulations , insurance , OSHA compliance , registration , W-40 , workers comp insurance .
I ca n't do it !
It 's gotten so bad no matter how bad I want to expand , I ca n't do it .
The current administration has made it so much worse .
What does this have to do with patents ?
Everything. The current economic outlook and avaliable funding and ability to take an idea and run with it just is n't what it used to be .
It 's not because China or Europe or anyone is doing anything great , it 's because we keep shooting our-self in the foot and then when things get worse , we do the polar opposite of what would help !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not over for the US, or at least, it does not have to be.
We've gone through hard time before and gotten out of them.
In the 1970's, 1980's and other occasions the US was said to be done and someone else was taking over (the Soviet Union, Japan etc).
The US can reinvent itself and get momentum going in the right direction, but we need to do it now and stop with the destructive behavior.
The longer we wait the worse it gets.
The reason is simple:  We need to stop letting the government make life difficult for American buisiness.
The government already destroyed the credit market by subsidizing high risk loans and now we're facing a huge debt problem, not personal debt but government debt.
Regulations have become crippling.
It's choking American enterprise.
I've personally always wanted to be in buisiness for myself, but recently it's become all but impossible due to the taxes, regulations and so on.
You know what it takes to hire a single employee?
Payroll tax, record keeping regulations, insurance, OSHA compliance, registration, W-40, workers comp insurance.
I can't do it!
It's gotten so bad no matter how bad I want to expand, I can't do it.
The current administration has made it so much worse.
What does this have to do with patents?
Everything.  The current economic outlook and avaliable funding and ability to take an idea and run with it just isn't what it used to be.
It's not because China or Europe or anyone is doing anything great, it's because we keep shooting our-self in the foot and then when things get worse, we do the polar opposite of what would help!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747228</id>
	<title>Coincidence?</title>
	<author>magsol</author>
	<datestamp>1263318840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hard to beat out IBM when it's submitting applications for <a href="http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/12/30/166220/USPTO-Awards-LOL-Patent-To-IBM" title="slashdot.org">LOL</a> [slashdot.org], <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/26/159249/IBM-Wants-Patent-For-Regex-SSN-Validation" title="slashdot.org">regex for SSN verification</a> [slashdot.org], <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/16/1917253/IBM-Patents-Changing-Color-of-E-Mail-Text" title="slashdot.org">changing the color of email text</a> [slashdot.org], and <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/08/2046215/IBM-Invents-40-Minute-Meetings" title="slashdot.org">40 minute meetings</a> [slashdot.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard to beat out IBM when it 's submitting applications for LOL [ slashdot.org ] , regex for SSN verification [ slashdot.org ] , changing the color of email text [ slashdot.org ] , and 40 minute meetings [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard to beat out IBM when it's submitting applications for LOL [slashdot.org], regex for SSN verification [slashdot.org], changing the color of email text [slashdot.org], and 40 minute meetings [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747760</id>
	<title>Corporate But Not Corporal</title>
	<author>FrankDrebin</author>
	<datestamp>1263324960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sad that individual patent holders don't even rate a mention.  Corporations already have too much power, the patent arsenal makes that even worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sad that individual patent holders do n't even rate a mention .
Corporations already have too much power , the patent arsenal makes that even worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sad that individual patent holders don't even rate a mention.
Corporations already have too much power, the patent arsenal makes that even worse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747204</id>
	<title>Imaginary Property</title>
	<author>SloWave</author>
	<datestamp>1263318600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kind of goes along with the huge valuation given to IP assets for US companies compared to their real assets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kind of goes along with the huge valuation given to IP assets for US companies compared to their real assets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kind of goes along with the huge valuation given to IP assets for US companies compared to their real assets.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30747718</id>
	<title>Re:US != 50\% of world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263324300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you're ignoring is the trend - the majority of US patents being for foreign companies is a <i>new thing</i>.  It indicates US economic dominance is in decline.  Now, you can argue that's the natural state of things and it should always have been so, but regardless, it means we'll be paying more for scarce natural resources (think OIL), making less money (e.g. UAW went down the toilet), and we can't impose our will on other countries as much politically.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you 're ignoring is the trend - the majority of US patents being for foreign companies is a new thing .
It indicates US economic dominance is in decline .
Now , you can argue that 's the natural state of things and it should always have been so , but regardless , it means we 'll be paying more for scarce natural resources ( think OIL ) , making less money ( e.g .
UAW went down the toilet ) , and we ca n't impose our will on other countries as much politically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you're ignoring is the trend - the majority of US patents being for foreign companies is a new thing.
It indicates US economic dominance is in decline.
Now, you can argue that's the natural state of things and it should always have been so, but regardless, it means we'll be paying more for scarce natural resources (think OIL), making less money (e.g.
UAW went down the toilet), and we can't impose our will on other countries as much politically.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748002</id>
	<title>Yet another whining, fear-mongering article</title>
	<author>Lotana</author>
	<datestamp>1263415740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When was the exact moment that Slashdot changed from being about devices and tech to trying to make us fear just about everything?</p><p>Be afraid:</p><p>- Half of US Patents go to external companies!<br>- <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/0130254/The-Economy-of-Wikileaks" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Wikileaks are dying!</a> [slashdot.org]<br>- <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/12/2329231/Google-Hacked-May-Pull-Out-of-China" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">China is hacking Google!</a> [slashdot.org]<br>- <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/12/204231/Twitter-Hackers-Take-Down-Baidu" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Hackers take down search engines!</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Even a tech announcement about Google able to host any file type is focused on how it will be used for <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/01/12/1932232/Google-Docs-To-Host-Any-File-Type" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">malware and bring more vulnerabilities</a> [slashdot.org].</p><p>There is only one positive article on the front page: <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/01/13/0319229/Forrester-Says-Tech-Downturn-Is-Unofficially-Over" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Tech downturn is over</a> [slashdot.org]. Even that is attempted to show negatively by having "Unofficially" in the title.</p><p>What is it with all the whining and doom-crying?! Am I just really new here and it always been thus? Are the editors all sufferers of depression?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When was the exact moment that Slashdot changed from being about devices and tech to trying to make us fear just about everything ? Be afraid : - Half of US Patents go to external companies ! - Wikileaks are dying !
[ slashdot.org ] - China is hacking Google !
[ slashdot.org ] - Hackers take down search engines !
[ slashdot.org ] Even a tech announcement about Google able to host any file type is focused on how it will be used for malware and bring more vulnerabilities [ slashdot.org ] .There is only one positive article on the front page : Tech downturn is over [ slashdot.org ] .
Even that is attempted to show negatively by having " Unofficially " in the title.What is it with all the whining and doom-crying ? !
Am I just really new here and it always been thus ?
Are the editors all sufferers of depression ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When was the exact moment that Slashdot changed from being about devices and tech to trying to make us fear just about everything?Be afraid:- Half of US Patents go to external companies!- Wikileaks are dying!
[slashdot.org]- China is hacking Google!
[slashdot.org]- Hackers take down search engines!
[slashdot.org]Even a tech announcement about Google able to host any file type is focused on how it will be used for malware and bring more vulnerabilities [slashdot.org].There is only one positive article on the front page: Tech downturn is over [slashdot.org].
Even that is attempted to show negatively by having "Unofficially" in the title.What is it with all the whining and doom-crying?!
Am I just really new here and it always been thus?
Are the editors all sufferers of depression?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30749346</id>
	<title>I know the US healthcare is in a state...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263391380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but do they really have to issue their sick people to other countries?</p><p>Oh, patents.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but do they really have to issue their sick people to other countries ? Oh , patents.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but do they really have to issue their sick people to other countries?Oh, patents.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748414</id>
	<title>Watch out if you care about your future</title>
	<author>G3ckoG33k</author>
	<datestamp>1263378540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>'It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity.'

That was the most foolhardy ostrich behavior I have heard of. Of course it matters. Look at Europe, we had a brain drain to the American market accumulating over the last century. The Americans may well end up as us, but now conceding not to us, but to East Asia. And, don't forget that Europe is coming back, too, with a stronger, more unified agenda than ever.

Watch out for this trend if you care about your future. Only the paranoid survive.


.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'It 's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents , it 's important to consider quality , as well as quantity .
' That was the most foolhardy ostrich behavior I have heard of .
Of course it matters .
Look at Europe , we had a brain drain to the American market accumulating over the last century .
The Americans may well end up as us , but now conceding not to us , but to East Asia .
And , do n't forget that Europe is coming back , too , with a stronger , more unified agenda than ever .
Watch out for this trend if you care about your future .
Only the paranoid survive .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'It's foolhardy to use this statistic to infer that American firms are losing ground to foreign competitors because with patents, it's important to consider quality, as well as quantity.
'

That was the most foolhardy ostrich behavior I have heard of.
Of course it matters.
Look at Europe, we had a brain drain to the American market accumulating over the last century.
The Americans may well end up as us, but now conceding not to us, but to East Asia.
And, don't forget that Europe is coming back, too, with a stronger, more unified agenda than ever.
Watch out for this trend if you care about your future.
Only the paranoid survive.
.</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30749062
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-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_2323225.30748602
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