<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_12_1628216</id>
	<title>Bell Labs Says Networks Can Be 1000 Times More Energy Efficient</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263317040000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>judgecorp writes <i>"Bell Labs believes that <a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/alcatel-lucent-vows-to--boost-network-efficiency-1000-fold--2988">data networks can be more efficient</a> and has launched a consortium which aims to develop technology that uses only a thousandth of current network energy requirements by 2015. The <a href="http://www.greentouch.org/">Green Touch</a> initiative is going to focus in particular on wireless, seeking to reduce wasted energy in signal broadcasts. Cynics might say Alcatel-Lucent is using its research division to distract attention from its troubles &mdash; the Financial Times described it as 'a poster child for much that is <a href="http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/alcatel-lucent-chases-profits-three-years-on-ftimes-ef55407eb274.html">wrong in the telecoms equipment industry</a>' &mdash; but Bell Labs still commands respect and support, and the goal it has set is an interesting one."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>judgecorp writes " Bell Labs believes that data networks can be more efficient and has launched a consortium which aims to develop technology that uses only a thousandth of current network energy requirements by 2015 .
The Green Touch initiative is going to focus in particular on wireless , seeking to reduce wasted energy in signal broadcasts .
Cynics might say Alcatel-Lucent is using its research division to distract attention from its troubles    the Financial Times described it as 'a poster child for much that is wrong in the telecoms equipment industry '    but Bell Labs still commands respect and support , and the goal it has set is an interesting one .
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<sentencetext>judgecorp writes "Bell Labs believes that data networks can be more efficient and has launched a consortium which aims to develop technology that uses only a thousandth of current network energy requirements by 2015.
The Green Touch initiative is going to focus in particular on wireless, seeking to reduce wasted energy in signal broadcasts.
Cynics might say Alcatel-Lucent is using its research division to distract attention from its troubles — the Financial Times described it as 'a poster child for much that is wrong in the telecoms equipment industry' — but Bell Labs still commands respect and support, and the goal it has set is an interesting one.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739874</id>
	<title>Re:Consortium?</title>
	<author>XPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1263321780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IPv6 is obviously superior.</p><p>More address space and overhead, with embedded encryption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IPv6 is obviously superior.More address space and overhead , with embedded encryption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IPv6 is obviously superior.More address space and overhead, with embedded encryption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739686</id>
	<title>One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263321120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just how much power is being used for Cell transmissions? What about Wifi?<br>Think about it. Our appliances are getting more efficient all the time but how much power are our gadgets sucking up.<br>WiFi, Game Consoles, DVD players, Home networks, Home NAS servers, cable boxes, and TVs.<br>Way back when when you went to bed you turned off our TV and it was actually off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just how much power is being used for Cell transmissions ?
What about Wifi ? Think about it .
Our appliances are getting more efficient all the time but how much power are our gadgets sucking up.WiFi , Game Consoles , DVD players , Home networks , Home NAS servers , cable boxes , and TVs.Way back when when you went to bed you turned off our TV and it was actually off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just how much power is being used for Cell transmissions?
What about Wifi?Think about it.
Our appliances are getting more efficient all the time but how much power are our gadgets sucking up.WiFi, Game Consoles, DVD players, Home networks, Home NAS servers, cable boxes, and TVs.Way back when when you went to bed you turned off our TV and it was actually off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30743580</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263294900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <tt>Way back when when you went to bed you turned off our TV and it was actually off.</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>That would have been about 1970, as right about the color TV era is when we started installing capacitors to keep the tube precharged and reduce warmup time.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Way back when when you went to bed you turned off our TV and it was actually off .
That would have been about 1970 , as right about the color TV era is when we started installing capacitors to keep the tube precharged and reduce warmup time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Way back when when you went to bed you turned off our TV and it was actually off.
That would have been about 1970, as right about the color TV era is when we started installing capacitors to keep the tube precharged and reduce warmup time.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739752</id>
	<title>Isn't it real easy ?</title>
	<author>bytesex</author>
	<datestamp>1263321360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we're using too much power now, that means that we're not getting our bandwidth's worth - right ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we 're using too much power now , that means that we 're not getting our bandwidth 's worth - right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we're using too much power now, that means that we're not getting our bandwidth's worth - right ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30747764</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times less energy</title>
	<author>inKubus</author>
	<datestamp>1263325020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And why does "Bell Labs" still command respect and support.  In the 70's they had UNLIMITED FUNDING (Ma Bell) and so naturally they had most of the best minds in telecom and computers; nowadays they're just a little research shop.  I don't understand why Microsoft Research gets such a bad rap either, since they are as close to the old Bell Labs that Unix came out of as anyone around.  Unix was "for" switches.  Arguably the real advances in Unix happened when it magically evolved at Berkeley (in academia).  Google has a lot of brilliant staffers but they just don't seem that organized, do they?  Anyway, there is no "Bell Labs" right now, and they don't command respect and support.  There are a couple of dudes there that DO, but as an entity, Bell Labs is a bug.  Prediction, Cisco purchases Acatel-Lucent in the next 5 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And why does " Bell Labs " still command respect and support .
In the 70 's they had UNLIMITED FUNDING ( Ma Bell ) and so naturally they had most of the best minds in telecom and computers ; nowadays they 're just a little research shop .
I do n't understand why Microsoft Research gets such a bad rap either , since they are as close to the old Bell Labs that Unix came out of as anyone around .
Unix was " for " switches .
Arguably the real advances in Unix happened when it magically evolved at Berkeley ( in academia ) .
Google has a lot of brilliant staffers but they just do n't seem that organized , do they ?
Anyway , there is no " Bell Labs " right now , and they do n't command respect and support .
There are a couple of dudes there that DO , but as an entity , Bell Labs is a bug .
Prediction , Cisco purchases Acatel-Lucent in the next 5 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And why does "Bell Labs" still command respect and support.
In the 70's they had UNLIMITED FUNDING (Ma Bell) and so naturally they had most of the best minds in telecom and computers; nowadays they're just a little research shop.
I don't understand why Microsoft Research gets such a bad rap either, since they are as close to the old Bell Labs that Unix came out of as anyone around.
Unix was "for" switches.
Arguably the real advances in Unix happened when it magically evolved at Berkeley (in academia).
Google has a lot of brilliant staffers but they just don't seem that organized, do they?
Anyway, there is no "Bell Labs" right now, and they don't command respect and support.
There are a couple of dudes there that DO, but as an entity, Bell Labs is a bug.
Prediction, Cisco purchases Acatel-Lucent in the next 5 years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30742288</id>
	<title>Make it green</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1263288480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Obviously it's time to pull all those wasteful orange-clad fibers out and replace them with green-clad fibers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously it 's time to pull all those wasteful orange-clad fibers out and replace them with green-clad fibers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously it's time to pull all those wasteful orange-clad fibers out and replace them with green-clad fibers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740028</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263322320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I highly recommend this to everyone who has to pay an electricity bill: Unplug your appliances.</p><p>I have saved over 60\% of my electrical bill by following the simple process of unplugging everything when its not in use. The only 3 things that remains plugged in are the Fridge, Stove, and the alarm clock. The Television, sound system, game consoles, all that is on a power bar so its easy to just unplug the power bar. The laptop, computer, microwave, toaster,  all that stuff can be left unplugged when I'm not using them. I even do it for the washer and dryer. It is only inconvencing yourself like 3 seconds max, and after a while you get used to it.</p><p>I heard someone once say that your electronic devices still use 80\% of their power consumption if plugged in, even while not in use. I think that number might be bogus, but I do believe that they still use power, even when not used.</p><p>Point is, you can save alot of money by unplugging.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I highly recommend this to everyone who has to pay an electricity bill : Unplug your appliances.I have saved over 60 \ % of my electrical bill by following the simple process of unplugging everything when its not in use .
The only 3 things that remains plugged in are the Fridge , Stove , and the alarm clock .
The Television , sound system , game consoles , all that is on a power bar so its easy to just unplug the power bar .
The laptop , computer , microwave , toaster , all that stuff can be left unplugged when I 'm not using them .
I even do it for the washer and dryer .
It is only inconvencing yourself like 3 seconds max , and after a while you get used to it.I heard someone once say that your electronic devices still use 80 \ % of their power consumption if plugged in , even while not in use .
I think that number might be bogus , but I do believe that they still use power , even when not used.Point is , you can save alot of money by unplugging .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I highly recommend this to everyone who has to pay an electricity bill: Unplug your appliances.I have saved over 60\% of my electrical bill by following the simple process of unplugging everything when its not in use.
The only 3 things that remains plugged in are the Fridge, Stove, and the alarm clock.
The Television, sound system, game consoles, all that is on a power bar so its easy to just unplug the power bar.
The laptop, computer, microwave, toaster,  all that stuff can be left unplugged when I'm not using them.
I even do it for the washer and dryer.
It is only inconvencing yourself like 3 seconds max, and after a while you get used to it.I heard someone once say that your electronic devices still use 80\% of their power consumption if plugged in, even while not in use.
I think that number might be bogus, but I do believe that they still use power, even when not used.Point is, you can save alot of money by unplugging.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741630</id>
	<title>Free Broadband for All</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263328560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the power can even be reduced by 1/100th, there would be no reasonable cause to require payment for a broadband internet connection. This would not only save an enourmous amount of energy, but it would also be a MAJOR economic stimulus.</p><p>Oh sorry, I forgot about greed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the power can even be reduced by 1/100th , there would be no reasonable cause to require payment for a broadband internet connection .
This would not only save an enourmous amount of energy , but it would also be a MAJOR economic stimulus.Oh sorry , I forgot about greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the power can even be reduced by 1/100th, there would be no reasonable cause to require payment for a broadband internet connection.
This would not only save an enourmous amount of energy, but it would also be a MAJOR economic stimulus.Oh sorry, I forgot about greed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739872</id>
	<title>Re:Consortium?</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1263321780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Nothing less than the reinvention of today&rsquo;s communications networks" may just be the Internet Era equivalent of "New &amp; Improved !!" ie. marketing lingo. It might be more recognizable as such if it were in a garish colored star burst on their product packaging. Maybe after it graduates from the "good intentions phase" of their R&amp;D to something more tangible we can discuss how revolutionary it actually is. I know I'll stay tuned.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nothing less than the reinvention of today    s communications networks " may just be the Internet Era equivalent of " New &amp; Improved ! !
" ie .
marketing lingo .
It might be more recognizable as such if it were in a garish colored star burst on their product packaging .
Maybe after it graduates from the " good intentions phase " of their R&amp;D to something more tangible we can discuss how revolutionary it actually is .
I know I 'll stay tuned .
: -D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nothing less than the reinvention of today’s communications networks" may just be the Internet Era equivalent of "New &amp; Improved !!
" ie.
marketing lingo.
It might be more recognizable as such if it were in a garish colored star burst on their product packaging.
Maybe after it graduates from the "good intentions phase" of their R&amp;D to something more tangible we can discuss how revolutionary it actually is.
I know I'll stay tuned.
:-D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740254</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1263323220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True but how much power do all the cell towers use? I am not anti tech but the explosion of tech we have has got to be running up our power bills.<br>I bet the my home as a child probably used about the same amount of power as my home does today.<br>I fear our gadgets have wiped out our gains in efficiency and insulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True but how much power do all the cell towers use ?
I am not anti tech but the explosion of tech we have has got to be running up our power bills.I bet the my home as a child probably used about the same amount of power as my home does today.I fear our gadgets have wiped out our gains in efficiency and insulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True but how much power do all the cell towers use?
I am not anti tech but the explosion of tech we have has got to be running up our power bills.I bet the my home as a child probably used about the same amount of power as my home does today.I fear our gadgets have wiped out our gains in efficiency and insulation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740468</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>mjwalshe</author>
	<datestamp>1263324000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and dont forget all the energy used by the digging holes in teh ground extracting copper etc and technicians vans - At one time BT had the largest fleet of comercial vehicles in the UK.

Or is Acatel just lying again like when they bid for 21st Century Network contract (eledgedly)</htmltext>
<tokenext>and dont forget all the energy used by the digging holes in teh ground extracting copper etc and technicians vans - At one time BT had the largest fleet of comercial vehicles in the UK .
Or is Acatel just lying again like when they bid for 21st Century Network contract ( eledgedly )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and dont forget all the energy used by the digging holes in teh ground extracting copper etc and technicians vans - At one time BT had the largest fleet of comercial vehicles in the UK.
Or is Acatel just lying again like when they bid for 21st Century Network contract (eledgedly)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739750</id>
	<title>Hardware or Software?</title>
	<author>Drethon</author>
	<datestamp>1263321360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I glanced through the article but didn't see if they are planning on fixing the hardware or the software (or both).<br>
<br>
I wonder if bad hardware or bad software leads to the greatest inefficiencies?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I glanced through the article but did n't see if they are planning on fixing the hardware or the software ( or both ) .
I wonder if bad hardware or bad software leads to the greatest inefficiencies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I glanced through the article but didn't see if they are planning on fixing the hardware or the software (or both).
I wonder if bad hardware or bad software leads to the greatest inefficiencies?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740276</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, they're not making it up.   Things like WiFi transmit almost all their power in wrong directions -- most of the power is aimed away from the listener.  Things like cellular radios are limited mostly by interference from other radios -- that's avoidable noise.</p><p>Personally, I think 1000x improvement is puffery, but there's clearly a lot of room for improvement.  So, they probably are pulling the number out of thin air, but they have also identified a place where they could be useful and successful even if they only improve things by a factor of 10, or even 3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they 're not making it up .
Things like WiFi transmit almost all their power in wrong directions -- most of the power is aimed away from the listener .
Things like cellular radios are limited mostly by interference from other radios -- that 's avoidable noise.Personally , I think 1000x improvement is puffery , but there 's clearly a lot of room for improvement .
So , they probably are pulling the number out of thin air , but they have also identified a place where they could be useful and successful even if they only improve things by a factor of 10 , or even 3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they're not making it up.
Things like WiFi transmit almost all their power in wrong directions -- most of the power is aimed away from the listener.
Things like cellular radios are limited mostly by interference from other radios -- that's avoidable noise.Personally, I think 1000x improvement is puffery, but there's clearly a lot of room for improvement.
So, they probably are pulling the number out of thin air, but they have also identified a place where they could be useful and successful even if they only improve things by a factor of 10, or even 3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740512</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>the\_humeister</author>
	<datestamp>1263324120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get yourself a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1263320389&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com">kill a watt meter</a> [amazon.com] and find out. My Athlon64 computer with 7200 RPM 500 GB hard drive idles at 40 W. The TV, when off, still pulls 5 W! Now I just plug everything but the computer to a common surge protector and flip it's switch when I'm not watching TV or playing console games</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get yourself a kill a watt meter [ amazon.com ] and find out .
My Athlon64 computer with 7200 RPM 500 GB hard drive idles at 40 W. The TV , when off , still pulls 5 W !
Now I just plug everything but the computer to a common surge protector and flip it 's switch when I 'm not watching TV or playing console games</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get yourself a kill a watt meter [amazon.com] and find out.
My Athlon64 computer with 7200 RPM 500 GB hard drive idles at 40 W. The TV, when off, still pulls 5 W!
Now I just plug everything but the computer to a common surge protector and flip it's switch when I'm not watching TV or playing console games</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30742900</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times less energy</title>
	<author>sycodon</author>
	<datestamp>1263291780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, how about use the same energy and make it 1000 times faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , how about use the same energy and make it 1000 times faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, how about use the same energy and make it 1000 times faster.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739960</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1263322080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I didn't see a radix so I'm assuming decimal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't see a radix so I 'm assuming decimal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't see a radix so I'm assuming decimal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739772</id>
	<title>1000 times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass? Is there a base for it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass ?
Is there a base for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass?
Is there a base for it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739576</id>
	<title>Bell Labs also says that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda's penis is pathetically small.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rob " CmdrTaco " Malda 's penis is pathetically small .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda's penis is pathetically small.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740360</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1263323640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My whole house, with the refrigerator compressor not running, but the television on, uses less than 250 watts. That's 183 kilowatt hours per month, which isn't even 60\% of my electric bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My whole house , with the refrigerator compressor not running , but the television on , uses less than 250 watts .
That 's 183 kilowatt hours per month , which is n't even 60 \ % of my electric bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My whole house, with the refrigerator compressor not running, but the television on, uses less than 250 watts.
That's 183 kilowatt hours per month, which isn't even 60\% of my electric bill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741986</id>
	<title>RCA Airnergy</title>
	<author>bruckie</author>
	<datestamp>1263287040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like bad news for <a href="http://www.ohgizmo.com/2010/01/09/ces2010-rca-airnergy-charger-harvests-electricity-from-wifi/" title="ohgizmo.com">these guys</a> [ohgizmo.com].<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like bad news for these guys [ ohgizmo.com ] .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like bad news for these guys [ohgizmo.com].
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30743678</id>
	<title>No more PHP sending XML for AJAX</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1263295380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No more PHP sending XML for AJAX.</p><p>Assembly sending BER encoded ASN.1 for browsers written in Forth.</p><p>Get crackin'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No more PHP sending XML for AJAX.Assembly sending BER encoded ASN.1 for browsers written in Forth.Get crackin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No more PHP sending XML for AJAX.Assembly sending BER encoded ASN.1 for browsers written in Forth.Get crackin'.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741730</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>lotho brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1263329100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, but they're very educated asses, with a lot of PhDs, and a noble pedigree and reputation for inventing the transistor, etc, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but they 're very educated asses , with a lot of PhDs , and a noble pedigree and reputation for inventing the transistor , etc , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but they're very educated asses, with a lot of PhDs, and a noble pedigree and reputation for inventing the transistor, etc, etc.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740816</id>
	<title>I'm way ahead of the curve already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All my slashdot posts have always been made from 100\% recycled electrons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All my slashdot posts have always been made from 100 \ % recycled electrons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All my slashdot posts have always been made from 100\% recycled electrons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740298</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Are you using some sort of programmable, logic-controlled toaster? I've never seen one that wasn't electro-mechanical. I highly doubt that your toaster, your clothes dryer, or your washing machine use a single watt when you're not actually running them. </i></p><p>Luddite. MY toaster is web 2.0-enabled, runs ajax, ruby-on-rails, jboss,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, updates my twitter feed &amp; facebook status (I'm making toast!) and then pushes an rss feed to my iphone when the toast is ready.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you using some sort of programmable , logic-controlled toaster ?
I 've never seen one that was n't electro-mechanical .
I highly doubt that your toaster , your clothes dryer , or your washing machine use a single watt when you 're not actually running them .
Luddite. MY toaster is web 2.0-enabled , runs ajax , ruby-on-rails , jboss , .NET , updates my twitter feed &amp; facebook status ( I 'm making toast !
) and then pushes an rss feed to my iphone when the toast is ready .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you using some sort of programmable, logic-controlled toaster?
I've never seen one that wasn't electro-mechanical.
I highly doubt that your toaster, your clothes dryer, or your washing machine use a single watt when you're not actually running them.
Luddite. MY toaster is web 2.0-enabled, runs ajax, ruby-on-rails, jboss, .NET, updates my twitter feed &amp; facebook status (I'm making toast!
) and then pushes an rss feed to my iphone when the toast is ready.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739604</id>
	<title>Oblig. Nigger Joke</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't hate the nigger joke without hating all the other Slashdot memes, y'know, the ones you guys keep modding up.  Yeah.
<br> <br>
Why do nigger women like to keep their legs open?  Keeps the flies away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't hate the nigger joke without hating all the other Slashdot memes , y'know , the ones you guys keep modding up .
Yeah . Why do nigger women like to keep their legs open ?
Keeps the flies away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't hate the nigger joke without hating all the other Slashdot memes, y'know, the ones you guys keep modding up.
Yeah.
 
Why do nigger women like to keep their legs open?
Keeps the flies away.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741538</id>
	<title>More important net green effect is education</title>
	<author>presidenteloco</author>
	<datestamp>1263328140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the global human energy use game, the network energy use is close to noise level,<br>and can be probably thought of as offset by the efficiencies the net brings to other<br>business activities (like removing the need to fly to conferences, eliminating personal<br>sales calls, coordinating supply-demand chains to reduce waste and idling production<br>lines, allowing rapid global dissemination of technical and process best practices etc.)</p><p>Perhaps its most important effect on energy use and environment will be that it<br>provides a more efficient forum for discussion and dissemination of knowledge about<br>environmental problems and solutions. Ambitious Google Earth visualisation projects<br>and civilisation-strategy games which allow more and more people to be able to get their<br>head around some of these large-scale, long-term issues that are hard to grok if<br>you are not a math/science nerd. That and all the free public lectures on advanced<br>topics, and of course the vast knowledge base of wikipedia, which can allow rapid<br>but fairly precise communication and debate about important environmental and<br>technology choice issues (e.g. are electric cars cool? practical? affordable? effective<br>at reducing climate change? why or why not? How do I insulate my house properly in<br>a cold but humid climate? etc.)</p><p>Knowledge sharing and the rapid spreading of radical new cultural and technological<br>memes and attitudes. That is the most important effect that the net will have on<br>energy use and contribution to global warming or its solution.</p><p>The electrically efficient net is a nice-to-have, but pales in comparison to these<br>other factors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the global human energy use game , the network energy use is close to noise level,and can be probably thought of as offset by the efficiencies the net brings to otherbusiness activities ( like removing the need to fly to conferences , eliminating personalsales calls , coordinating supply-demand chains to reduce waste and idling productionlines , allowing rapid global dissemination of technical and process best practices etc .
) Perhaps its most important effect on energy use and environment will be that itprovides a more efficient forum for discussion and dissemination of knowledge aboutenvironmental problems and solutions .
Ambitious Google Earth visualisation projectsand civilisation-strategy games which allow more and more people to be able to get theirhead around some of these large-scale , long-term issues that are hard to grok ifyou are not a math/science nerd .
That and all the free public lectures on advancedtopics , and of course the vast knowledge base of wikipedia , which can allow rapidbut fairly precise communication and debate about important environmental andtechnology choice issues ( e.g .
are electric cars cool ?
practical ? affordable ?
effectiveat reducing climate change ?
why or why not ?
How do I insulate my house properly ina cold but humid climate ?
etc. ) Knowledge sharing and the rapid spreading of radical new cultural and technologicalmemes and attitudes .
That is the most important effect that the net will have onenergy use and contribution to global warming or its solution.The electrically efficient net is a nice-to-have , but pales in comparison to theseother factors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the global human energy use game, the network energy use is close to noise level,and can be probably thought of as offset by the efficiencies the net brings to otherbusiness activities (like removing the need to fly to conferences, eliminating personalsales calls, coordinating supply-demand chains to reduce waste and idling productionlines, allowing rapid global dissemination of technical and process best practices etc.
)Perhaps its most important effect on energy use and environment will be that itprovides a more efficient forum for discussion and dissemination of knowledge aboutenvironmental problems and solutions.
Ambitious Google Earth visualisation projectsand civilisation-strategy games which allow more and more people to be able to get theirhead around some of these large-scale, long-term issues that are hard to grok ifyou are not a math/science nerd.
That and all the free public lectures on advancedtopics, and of course the vast knowledge base of wikipedia, which can allow rapidbut fairly precise communication and debate about important environmental andtechnology choice issues (e.g.
are electric cars cool?
practical? affordable?
effectiveat reducing climate change?
why or why not?
How do I insulate my house properly ina cold but humid climate?
etc.)Knowledge sharing and the rapid spreading of radical new cultural and technologicalmemes and attitudes.
That is the most important effect that the net will have onenergy use and contribution to global warming or its solution.The electrically efficient net is a nice-to-have, but pales in comparison to theseother factors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30742500</id>
	<title>Wasted wireless energy</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1263289620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That "wasted energy" is where the noise immunity comes from. Drop the signal to just above the noise level, and the error rate goes way up. I think most people would rather pay higher energy costs than drop more packets, but for mobile devices the inverse might be true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That " wasted energy " is where the noise immunity comes from .
Drop the signal to just above the noise level , and the error rate goes way up .
I think most people would rather pay higher energy costs than drop more packets , but for mobile devices the inverse might be true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That "wasted energy" is where the noise immunity comes from.
Drop the signal to just above the noise level, and the error rate goes way up.
I think most people would rather pay higher energy costs than drop more packets, but for mobile devices the inverse might be true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30743830</id>
	<title>We have energy saving features already</title>
	<author>kregg</author>
	<datestamp>1263296160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For example - Cisco routers have the ability to hibernate PoE ports and turn off modules at certain times of the day or when they are not required. With Virtualised environments you can turn of VMs for times when you have lighter load etc.

I am sure other hardware/OS has features like this but people just need to use them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For example - Cisco routers have the ability to hibernate PoE ports and turn off modules at certain times of the day or when they are not required .
With Virtualised environments you can turn of VMs for times when you have lighter load etc .
I am sure other hardware/OS has features like this but people just need to use them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example - Cisco routers have the ability to hibernate PoE ports and turn off modules at certain times of the day or when they are not required.
With Virtualised environments you can turn of VMs for times when you have lighter load etc.
I am sure other hardware/OS has features like this but people just need to use them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739928</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>psbrogna</author>
	<datestamp>1263321960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey! It's impolite to ask pointed questions when a company is trying to boost brand reputation (or shareholder morale)!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey !
It 's impolite to ask pointed questions when a company is trying to boost brand reputation ( or shareholder morale ) !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey!
It's impolite to ask pointed questions when a company is trying to boost brand reputation (or shareholder morale)!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30747396</id>
	<title>There's still a Bell Labs?</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1263320700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western\_Electric" title="wikipedia.org">Western Electric</a> [wikipedia.org] or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell\_System" title="wikipedia.org">Bell System</a> [wikipedia.org], so it surprises me to hear that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell\_labs" title="wikipedia.org">Bell Labs</a> [wikipedia.org] is still around. That's good if it is <b>the</b> Bell Labs, the one that invented the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor" title="wikipedia.org">transistor</a> [wikipedia.org], <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser" title="wikipedia.org">laser</a> [wikipedia.org], <a href="http://www.long-lines.net/documents/radio\_relay\_ad\_51.jpg" title="long-lines.net">microwave communications</a> [long-lines.net], <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix" title="wikipedia.org">the UNIX operating system</a> [wikipedia.org], <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications\_satellite" title="wikipedia.org">satellites</a> [wikipedia.org], etc.<br> <br>Then again, AT&amp;T is not the same AT&amp;T that was around before <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell\_System\_divestiture" title="wikipedia.org">Judge Greene broke it up in 1984</a> [wikipedia.org], so I hope it hasn't become some kind of "no Bell Labs left behind" that provides jobs for underachieving American Dilbertized engineers...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no more Western Electric [ wikipedia.org ] or Bell System [ wikipedia.org ] , so it surprises me to hear that Bell Labs [ wikipedia.org ] is still around .
That 's good if it is the Bell Labs , the one that invented the transistor [ wikipedia.org ] , laser [ wikipedia.org ] , microwave communications [ long-lines.net ] , the UNIX operating system [ wikipedia.org ] , satellites [ wikipedia.org ] , etc .
Then again , AT&amp;T is not the same AT&amp;T that was around before Judge Greene broke it up in 1984 [ wikipedia.org ] , so I hope it has n't become some kind of " no Bell Labs left behind " that provides jobs for underachieving American Dilbertized engineers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no more Western Electric [wikipedia.org] or Bell System [wikipedia.org], so it surprises me to hear that Bell Labs [wikipedia.org] is still around.
That's good if it is the Bell Labs, the one that invented the transistor [wikipedia.org], laser [wikipedia.org], microwave communications [long-lines.net], the UNIX operating system [wikipedia.org], satellites [wikipedia.org], etc.
Then again, AT&amp;T is not the same AT&amp;T that was around before Judge Greene broke it up in 1984 [wikipedia.org], so I hope it hasn't become some kind of "no Bell Labs left behind" that provides jobs for underachieving American Dilbertized engineers...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740408</id>
	<title>Loss of Efficiency?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, any energy efficiency gains were immediately wiped out upon launching a consortium "which aims to develop technology". I'm guessing this will be mired in various committees and be over-engineered to the point their design for networks will use twice the energy now and cost four times as much as they do now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , any energy efficiency gains were immediately wiped out upon launching a consortium " which aims to develop technology " .
I 'm guessing this will be mired in various committees and be over-engineered to the point their design for networks will use twice the energy now and cost four times as much as they do now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, any energy efficiency gains were immediately wiped out upon launching a consortium "which aims to develop technology".
I'm guessing this will be mired in various committees and be over-engineered to the point their design for networks will use twice the energy now and cost four times as much as they do now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740102</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263322560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is that number just pulled out of their ass? Is there a base for it?</p></div><p>There's a 93.56\% chance that is correct.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass ?
Is there a base for it ? There 's a 93.56 \ % chance that is correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass?
Is there a base for it?There's a 93.56\% chance that is correct.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30742832</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>MaWeiTao</author>
	<datestamp>1263291420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find that hard to believe. A few months ago I went from appliance to appliance with one of those Kill-a-watt devices measuring electricity consumption over a 24 hour period. Usage was insignificant for devices in standby mode, this included my PS3, television and other electronics. And by insignificant I mean a couple of dollars a year for everything in total and this is at roughly 22 cents per kWh in my area.</p><p>Where I found heavy usage was from appliances used on a regular basis. The dryer, water heater (which I want to get replaced for a gas heater), air conditioning and things like that. Even my PC, which I leave on because of internet phone was only something like $60-$120 a year. I don't remember the exact figures; I'd have to consult my spreadsheet.</p><p>I've found that if you want to really cut utility costs you have to do a good bit of sacrificing. That means enduring the heat of the summer and not turning on air conditioning, running a dryer once a week, or better yet hanging your clothes out to dry. Certainly turning off lights in an unoccupied room helps, but with CFLs the savings there are minimal as well. Reducing the number of electronics you're running at any time certainly helps.</p><p>The only way to cut down on electricity usage is to take some fairly significant steps. The small stuff matters because when everyone is doing it that consumption really adds up, but on an individual basis it's pretty insignificant. I suppose living in a relatively small home helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find that hard to believe .
A few months ago I went from appliance to appliance with one of those Kill-a-watt devices measuring electricity consumption over a 24 hour period .
Usage was insignificant for devices in standby mode , this included my PS3 , television and other electronics .
And by insignificant I mean a couple of dollars a year for everything in total and this is at roughly 22 cents per kWh in my area.Where I found heavy usage was from appliances used on a regular basis .
The dryer , water heater ( which I want to get replaced for a gas heater ) , air conditioning and things like that .
Even my PC , which I leave on because of internet phone was only something like $ 60- $ 120 a year .
I do n't remember the exact figures ; I 'd have to consult my spreadsheet.I 've found that if you want to really cut utility costs you have to do a good bit of sacrificing .
That means enduring the heat of the summer and not turning on air conditioning , running a dryer once a week , or better yet hanging your clothes out to dry .
Certainly turning off lights in an unoccupied room helps , but with CFLs the savings there are minimal as well .
Reducing the number of electronics you 're running at any time certainly helps.The only way to cut down on electricity usage is to take some fairly significant steps .
The small stuff matters because when everyone is doing it that consumption really adds up , but on an individual basis it 's pretty insignificant .
I suppose living in a relatively small home helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find that hard to believe.
A few months ago I went from appliance to appliance with one of those Kill-a-watt devices measuring electricity consumption over a 24 hour period.
Usage was insignificant for devices in standby mode, this included my PS3, television and other electronics.
And by insignificant I mean a couple of dollars a year for everything in total and this is at roughly 22 cents per kWh in my area.Where I found heavy usage was from appliances used on a regular basis.
The dryer, water heater (which I want to get replaced for a gas heater), air conditioning and things like that.
Even my PC, which I leave on because of internet phone was only something like $60-$120 a year.
I don't remember the exact figures; I'd have to consult my spreadsheet.I've found that if you want to really cut utility costs you have to do a good bit of sacrificing.
That means enduring the heat of the summer and not turning on air conditioning, running a dryer once a week, or better yet hanging your clothes out to dry.
Certainly turning off lights in an unoccupied room helps, but with CFLs the savings there are minimal as well.
Reducing the number of electronics you're running at any time certainly helps.The only way to cut down on electricity usage is to take some fairly significant steps.
The small stuff matters because when everyone is doing it that consumption really adds up, but on an individual basis it's pretty insignificant.
I suppose living in a relatively small home helps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740200</id>
	<title>AKA..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263322980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We want a piece of this 10 trillion dollar global warming scam.</p><p>We will save the world but we need 20 billion of your tax dollars to do it.</p><p>Meanwhile, 15-20 million children will die of malnutrition and hunger this year.</p><p>But hey, if the sea level rises a foot in the next 100 years, it could.. well..   it rose two feet in the last 100 years, and i guess not much came of it.  But still.  GLOBAL WARMING guys, am i right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We want a piece of this 10 trillion dollar global warming scam.We will save the world but we need 20 billion of your tax dollars to do it.Meanwhile , 15-20 million children will die of malnutrition and hunger this year.But hey , if the sea level rises a foot in the next 100 years , it could.. well.. it rose two feet in the last 100 years , and i guess not much came of it .
But still .
GLOBAL WARMING guys , am i right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We want a piece of this 10 trillion dollar global warming scam.We will save the world but we need 20 billion of your tax dollars to do it.Meanwhile, 15-20 million children will die of malnutrition and hunger this year.But hey, if the sea level rises a foot in the next 100 years, it could.. well..   it rose two feet in the last 100 years, and i guess not much came of it.
But still.
GLOBAL WARMING guys, am i right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30755290</id>
	<title>Bell Labs is alive and well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263373680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes vapor there is a bell labs...alcatel-lucent is the recent moniker (part of lucent) is it any wonder they get no respect...people forget... yet it is still THE powerhouse of innovation in wireless...buy the stock now while cheap before the street gets wise...get rich and do something...what about superconductivity as a road to effciency...superconductors..that's the ticket...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes vapor there is a bell labs...alcatel-lucent is the recent moniker ( part of lucent ) is it any wonder they get no respect...people forget... yet it is still THE powerhouse of innovation in wireless...buy the stock now while cheap before the street gets wise...get rich and do something...what about superconductivity as a road to effciency...superconductors..that 's the ticket.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes vapor there is a bell labs...alcatel-lucent is the recent moniker (part of lucent) is it any wonder they get no respect...people forget... yet it is still THE powerhouse of innovation in wireless...buy the stock now while cheap before the street gets wise...get rich and do something...what about superconductivity as a road to effciency...superconductors..that's the ticket...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30744952</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263301980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Luddite. MY toaster is web 2.0-enabled, runs ajax, ruby-on-rails, jboss,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET, updates my twitter feed &amp; facebook status (I'm making toast!) and then pushes an rss feed to my iphone when the toast is ready.</p></div><p>The sad thing is, there probably is a market for that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Luddite .
MY toaster is web 2.0-enabled , runs ajax , ruby-on-rails , jboss , .NET , updates my twitter feed &amp; facebook status ( I 'm making toast !
) and then pushes an rss feed to my iphone when the toast is ready.The sad thing is , there probably is a market for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Luddite.
MY toaster is web 2.0-enabled, runs ajax, ruby-on-rails, jboss, .NET, updates my twitter feed &amp; facebook status (I'm making toast!
) and then pushes an rss feed to my iphone when the toast is ready.The sad thing is, there probably is a market for that.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30746074</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>MrPhilby</author>
	<datestamp>1263308700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shifting zero's and one's around isn't work. Nothing is being "lifted". Information has no mass. The losses in IT are almost totally inefficiencies, and that includes the light from your LCD monitor (see e-ink).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shifting zero 's and one 's around is n't work .
Nothing is being " lifted " .
Information has no mass .
The losses in IT are almost totally inefficiencies , and that includes the light from your LCD monitor ( see e-ink ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shifting zero's and one's around isn't work.
Nothing is being "lifted".
Information has no mass.
The losses in IT are almost totally inefficiencies, and that includes the light from your LCD monitor (see e-ink).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741822</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740986</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like to become more efficient when I masturbate. I wonder how much energy I waste getting to a point where I am ready to release that energy? could that be harnessed for something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to become more efficient when I masturbate .
I wonder how much energy I waste getting to a point where I am ready to release that energy ?
could that be harnessed for something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to become more efficient when I masturbate.
I wonder how much energy I waste getting to a point where I am ready to release that energy?
could that be harnessed for something?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739616</id>
	<title>1000 times less energy</title>
	<author>TheKidWho</author>
	<datestamp>1263320820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how much lower is the bandwidth going to be?</p><p>Considering the push towards 4g and faster...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much lower is the bandwidth going to be ? Considering the push towards 4g and faster.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much lower is the bandwidth going to be?Considering the push towards 4g and faster...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30743060</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Twinbee</author>
	<datestamp>1263292560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd rather pester the manufacturers or the government to make sure standyby power is decent. What are we - living in the stone age?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather pester the manufacturers or the government to make sure standyby power is decent .
What are we - living in the stone age ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather pester the manufacturers or the government to make sure standyby power is decent.
What are we - living in the stone age?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740740</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>you turned off our TV</i></p><p>You want to make something of it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you turned off our TVYou want to make something of it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you turned off our TVYou want to make something of it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739686</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741924</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>NotBornYesterday</author>
	<datestamp>1263329880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Are you using some sort of programmable, logic-controlled toaster?</p></div><p> <a href="http://kcbx.net/~tellswor/bettoast.htm" title="kcbx.net">Sure.  Why not?</a> [kcbx.net]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you using some sort of programmable , logic-controlled toaster ?
Sure. Why not ?
[ kcbx.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you using some sort of programmable, logic-controlled toaster?
Sure.  Why not?
[kcbx.net]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740156</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740156</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263322860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>toaster</i>
<br> <br>
Are you using some sort of programmable, logic-controlled toaster? I've never seen one that wasn't electro-mechanical. I highly doubt that your toaster, your clothes dryer, or your washing machine use a single watt when you're not actually running them.
<br> <br>
Also: there are power strips/supplies with <i>switches</i> on them, so that you don't have to fuss over the wear and tear of actually unplugging things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>toaster Are you using some sort of programmable , logic-controlled toaster ?
I 've never seen one that was n't electro-mechanical .
I highly doubt that your toaster , your clothes dryer , or your washing machine use a single watt when you 're not actually running them .
Also : there are power strips/supplies with switches on them , so that you do n't have to fuss over the wear and tear of actually unplugging things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>toaster
 
Are you using some sort of programmable, logic-controlled toaster?
I've never seen one that wasn't electro-mechanical.
I highly doubt that your toaster, your clothes dryer, or your washing machine use a single watt when you're not actually running them.
Also: there are power strips/supplies with switches on them, so that you don't have to fuss over the wear and tear of actually unplugging things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740028</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741802</id>
	<title>Sigh,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263329400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is something we can't get working properly now! What the fuck greenies! This is like going after nuclear power, if you win this one humanity is fucked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is something we ca n't get working properly now !
What the fuck greenies !
This is like going after nuclear power , if you win this one humanity is fucked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is something we can't get working properly now!
What the fuck greenies!
This is like going after nuclear power, if you win this one humanity is fucked.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741134</id>
	<title>1 million!</title>
	<author>mooingyak</author>
	<datestamp>1263326520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I say networks can be 1 MILLION times more energy efficient.  Beat that, Bell Labs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I say networks can be 1 MILLION times more energy efficient .
Beat that , Bell Labs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say networks can be 1 MILLION times more energy efficient.
Beat that, Bell Labs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740774</id>
	<title>come back to me when</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you think your network energy levels are over 9000.  <br> <br>
thanks, im here all night.  just throw money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you think your network energy levels are over 9000 . thanks , im here all night .
just throw money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you think your network energy levels are over 9000.   
thanks, im here all night.
just throw money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740836</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking of Wireless</title>
	<author>CyberDong</author>
	<datestamp>1263325380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RCA <a href="http://www.ohgizmo.com/2010/01/09/ces2010-rca-airnergy-charger-harvests-electricity-from-wifi/" title="ohgizmo.com">has one at CES</a> [ohgizmo.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RCA has one at CES [ ohgizmo.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RCA has one at CES [ohgizmo.com].</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739732</id>
	<title>Consortium?</title>
	<author>quangdog</author>
	<datestamp>1263321300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the Green Touch website from the synopsis, I read that one of their goals is: "Nothing less than the reinvention of today&rsquo;s communications networks".  Does this mean that the member organizations of Green Touch will hold the exclusive rights to the manufacture of the technology that they dream up?
<br> <br>
And, briefly setting aside the notion that energy consumption of our networks is an actual problem, why do we need to reinvent today's communication networks?  What's really wrong with them?
<br> <br>
Begin ipv4 vs ipv6 flame war in 3....2...1...</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the Green Touch website from the synopsis , I read that one of their goals is : " Nothing less than the reinvention of today    s communications networks " .
Does this mean that the member organizations of Green Touch will hold the exclusive rights to the manufacture of the technology that they dream up ?
And , briefly setting aside the notion that energy consumption of our networks is an actual problem , why do we need to reinvent today 's communication networks ?
What 's really wrong with them ?
Begin ipv4 vs ipv6 flame war in 3....2...1.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the Green Touch website from the synopsis, I read that one of their goals is: "Nothing less than the reinvention of today’s communications networks".
Does this mean that the member organizations of Green Touch will hold the exclusive rights to the manufacture of the technology that they dream up?
And, briefly setting aside the notion that energy consumption of our networks is an actual problem, why do we need to reinvent today's communication networks?
What's really wrong with them?
Begin ipv4 vs ipv6 flame war in 3....2...1...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740212</id>
	<title>Debatable, for the following...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263323040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With this development, that means replacing the entire U.S. network infrastructure. That, in and of its self, is no small feat.</p><p>Now, even if it is subsidized by the Gov, the tax payer will foot the bill. If we force the telco's to foot the bill, those costs will be passed onto the consumer. Since we, the citizenry, ultimately pay for this thing, the net expenditure of energy required to create the money to pay for it including the costs of manufacturing it and installing it, will probably exceed the energy saved by the switchover. Granted that is only valid for a few decades but the point remains.</p><p>Basically, Bell Labs finally figured out that the concept of 'energy efficiency' should rule supreme. Now if the FCC, ICC, G8 and everyone else would jump on board, we might actually progress as a civilization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With this development , that means replacing the entire U.S. network infrastructure .
That , in and of its self , is no small feat.Now , even if it is subsidized by the Gov , the tax payer will foot the bill .
If we force the telco 's to foot the bill , those costs will be passed onto the consumer .
Since we , the citizenry , ultimately pay for this thing , the net expenditure of energy required to create the money to pay for it including the costs of manufacturing it and installing it , will probably exceed the energy saved by the switchover .
Granted that is only valid for a few decades but the point remains.Basically , Bell Labs finally figured out that the concept of 'energy efficiency ' should rule supreme .
Now if the FCC , ICC , G8 and everyone else would jump on board , we might actually progress as a civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With this development, that means replacing the entire U.S. network infrastructure.
That, in and of its self, is no small feat.Now, even if it is subsidized by the Gov, the tax payer will foot the bill.
If we force the telco's to foot the bill, those costs will be passed onto the consumer.
Since we, the citizenry, ultimately pay for this thing, the net expenditure of energy required to create the money to pay for it including the costs of manufacturing it and installing it, will probably exceed the energy saved by the switchover.
Granted that is only valid for a few decades but the point remains.Basically, Bell Labs finally figured out that the concept of 'energy efficiency' should rule supreme.
Now if the FCC, ICC, G8 and everyone else would jump on board, we might actually progress as a civilization.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740002</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1263322200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I assume they looked at what we are using today to send a bit and compared it to the theoretical limit and then put in a good engineering guard factor of 10x in. Actually if they are comparing it to some of the power sapping SFP's in use today it's not to hard to imagine, if they are comparing it to SFP+ it's a little harder for me to imagine as they would need to produce a laser capable of reaching 10km using about 10mW, quite a feat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume they looked at what we are using today to send a bit and compared it to the theoretical limit and then put in a good engineering guard factor of 10x in .
Actually if they are comparing it to some of the power sapping SFP 's in use today it 's not to hard to imagine , if they are comparing it to SFP + it 's a little harder for me to imagine as they would need to produce a laser capable of reaching 10km using about 10mW , quite a feat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume they looked at what we are using today to send a bit and compared it to the theoretical limit and then put in a good engineering guard factor of 10x in.
Actually if they are comparing it to some of the power sapping SFP's in use today it's not to hard to imagine, if they are comparing it to SFP+ it's a little harder for me to imagine as they would need to produce a laser capable of reaching 10km using about 10mW, quite a feat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740148</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking of Wireless</title>
	<author>itsme1234</author>
	<datestamp>1263322740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There was an article a while back about a phone battery that is able to recharge itself by intercepting the various radio / wifi waves in its Antenna to generate a current. (Still in development, still not efficient)</p></div><p>... and if you use that "wireless recharging battery" with a phone (or some other device with wifi) you can both USE your wifi and recharge your battery!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an article a while back about a phone battery that is able to recharge itself by intercepting the various radio / wifi waves in its Antenna to generate a current .
( Still in development , still not efficient ) ... and if you use that " wireless recharging battery " with a phone ( or some other device with wifi ) you can both USE your wifi and recharge your battery !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an article a while back about a phone battery that is able to recharge itself by intercepting the various radio / wifi waves in its Antenna to generate a current.
(Still in development, still not efficient)... and if you use that "wireless recharging battery" with a phone (or some other device with wifi) you can both USE your wifi and recharge your battery!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739726</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740270</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1263323340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is that number just pulled out of their ass? Is there a base for it?</p></div><p>Looks like base-10.  Although, it could just as likely be base-2</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass ?
Is there a base for it ? Looks like base-10 .
Although , it could just as likely be base-2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that number just pulled out of their ass?
Is there a base for it?Looks like base-10.
Although, it could just as likely be base-2
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739772</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739726</id>
	<title>Speaking of Wireless</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1263321300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was an article a while back about a phone battery that is able to recharge itself by intercepting the various radio / wifi waves in its Antenna to generate a current. (Still in development, still not efficient)</p><p>I'm not sure if they mean "Energy Wasted in signal broadcast" means they want to reduce the whole broadcast in every direction as far as you can idea - or if there is some other process they plan on using to reduce the energy usage. In any event, I don't think the issue is with too many radiowaves flying through the air, I think its not harnessing the ones that do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was an article a while back about a phone battery that is able to recharge itself by intercepting the various radio / wifi waves in its Antenna to generate a current .
( Still in development , still not efficient ) I 'm not sure if they mean " Energy Wasted in signal broadcast " means they want to reduce the whole broadcast in every direction as far as you can idea - or if there is some other process they plan on using to reduce the energy usage .
In any event , I do n't think the issue is with too many radiowaves flying through the air , I think its not harnessing the ones that do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was an article a while back about a phone battery that is able to recharge itself by intercepting the various radio / wifi waves in its Antenna to generate a current.
(Still in development, still not efficient)I'm not sure if they mean "Energy Wasted in signal broadcast" means they want to reduce the whole broadcast in every direction as far as you can idea - or if there is some other process they plan on using to reduce the energy usage.
In any event, I don't think the issue is with too many radiowaves flying through the air, I think its not harnessing the ones that do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740154</id>
	<title>Not the facts you're looking for</title>
	<author>Lord Grey</author>
	<datestamp>1263322860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<blockquote><div><p>
Scientists addressed the problem over the summer of 2009, and concluded that the energy used in networks could be reduced by a factor of up to 10,000 without breaking fundamental laws such as the Shannon Limit, but it would require a <b>fundamental rethink</b> to achieve a massive reduction, said [Gee Rittenhouse, vice president and head of research at Bell Labs]: "Today's networks are optimised for performance and simplicity".
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...
</p><p>
The technology produced would be commercially viable and would naturally replace existing networks, as <b>it will be backwards compatible</b>, [consortium] members assured the audience.
</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Emphasis mine.  There's a lot more crap in there that I didn't bother copying and pasting.
</p><p>
This "announcement" reads a lot like a snake-oil advertisement.  This consortium will likely produce only one thing:  An efficient mechanism for extracting money from investors (government or otherwise).
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Scientists addressed the problem over the summer of 2009 , and concluded that the energy used in networks could be reduced by a factor of up to 10,000 without breaking fundamental laws such as the Shannon Limit , but it would require a fundamental rethink to achieve a massive reduction , said [ Gee Rittenhouse , vice president and head of research at Bell Labs ] : " Today 's networks are optimised for performance and simplicity " .
.. . The technology produced would be commercially viable and would naturally replace existing networks , as it will be backwards compatible , [ consortium ] members assured the audience .
Emphasis mine .
There 's a lot more crap in there that I did n't bother copying and pasting .
This " announcement " reads a lot like a snake-oil advertisement .
This consortium will likely produce only one thing : An efficient mechanism for extracting money from investors ( government or otherwise ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:
Scientists addressed the problem over the summer of 2009, and concluded that the energy used in networks could be reduced by a factor of up to 10,000 without breaking fundamental laws such as the Shannon Limit, but it would require a fundamental rethink to achieve a massive reduction, said [Gee Rittenhouse, vice president and head of research at Bell Labs]: "Today's networks are optimised for performance and simplicity".
...

The technology produced would be commercially viable and would naturally replace existing networks, as it will be backwards compatible, [consortium] members assured the audience.
Emphasis mine.
There's a lot more crap in there that I didn't bother copying and pasting.
This "announcement" reads a lot like a snake-oil advertisement.
This consortium will likely produce only one thing:  An efficient mechanism for extracting money from investors (government or otherwise).

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740844</id>
	<title>Re:That efficiency will allow us...</title>
	<author>Dan Ost</author>
	<datestamp>1263325380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But we'll be getting more from that energy, so it's still a win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But we 'll be getting more from that energy , so it 's still a win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But we'll be getting more from that energy, so it's still a win.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30743810</id>
	<title>India has done it</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1263296100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With smarter solar rural base stations.  Why can they do it?<br>
A smart person sat down and ***designed*** a new system.<br>
Stop hacking onto the US/NSA rustbelt revenue stream and start thinking.<br>


<a href="http://www.vnl.in/technology/cleantech/" title="www.vnl.in">http://www.vnl.in/technology/cleantech/</a> [www.vnl.in]
<br>
<a href="http://www.vnl.in/productsheets/worldgsm\_village\_site.pdf" title="www.vnl.in">http://www.vnl.in/productsheets/worldgsm\_village\_site.pdf</a> [www.vnl.in]</htmltext>
<tokenext>With smarter solar rural base stations .
Why can they do it ?
A smart person sat down and * * * designed * * * a new system .
Stop hacking onto the US/NSA rustbelt revenue stream and start thinking .
http : //www.vnl.in/technology/cleantech/ [ www.vnl.in ] http : //www.vnl.in/productsheets/worldgsm \ _village \ _site.pdf [ www.vnl.in ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With smarter solar rural base stations.
Why can they do it?
A smart person sat down and ***designed*** a new system.
Stop hacking onto the US/NSA rustbelt revenue stream and start thinking.
http://www.vnl.in/technology/cleantech/ [www.vnl.in]

http://www.vnl.in/productsheets/worldgsm\_village\_site.pdf [www.vnl.in]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741822</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>Montezumaa</author>
	<datestamp>1263329520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell does it matter?  Work requires energy, it is simple science that a 2 year old could understand.  No one will ever be able to create an electronics-based device that will ever be able to no energy, hence the damned name.  Of course, even if someone were able to do such a feat, then these "green" assholes would never allow such a device to exist.  That is if they are not able to get some licensing fee for such a product.</p><p>Some of you people believe that "green" is a worthwhile view, but it is total horseshit.  If there was no money to be made, then 90\% of the people involved in this "green" movement would not be involved.  These people would simply move on to the next big money maker.  Just look at Al Gore if you are in need of an example.</p><p>Do not get me wrong, I am all for saving money and protecting beautiful areas of the world from being demolished and paved over.  I enjoy spending time in some of the many beautiful and forest-covered areas in the U.S., but I am not for punishing the working class on the whims of a bunch of rich assholes.  If they want to push this ideological shit, then they can subsidize this at 100\% for everyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell does it matter ?
Work requires energy , it is simple science that a 2 year old could understand .
No one will ever be able to create an electronics-based device that will ever be able to no energy , hence the damned name .
Of course , even if someone were able to do such a feat , then these " green " assholes would never allow such a device to exist .
That is if they are not able to get some licensing fee for such a product.Some of you people believe that " green " is a worthwhile view , but it is total horseshit .
If there was no money to be made , then 90 \ % of the people involved in this " green " movement would not be involved .
These people would simply move on to the next big money maker .
Just look at Al Gore if you are in need of an example.Do not get me wrong , I am all for saving money and protecting beautiful areas of the world from being demolished and paved over .
I enjoy spending time in some of the many beautiful and forest-covered areas in the U.S. , but I am not for punishing the working class on the whims of a bunch of rich assholes .
If they want to push this ideological shit , then they can subsidize this at 100 \ % for everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell does it matter?
Work requires energy, it is simple science that a 2 year old could understand.
No one will ever be able to create an electronics-based device that will ever be able to no energy, hence the damned name.
Of course, even if someone were able to do such a feat, then these "green" assholes would never allow such a device to exist.
That is if they are not able to get some licensing fee for such a product.Some of you people believe that "green" is a worthwhile view, but it is total horseshit.
If there was no money to be made, then 90\% of the people involved in this "green" movement would not be involved.
These people would simply move on to the next big money maker.
Just look at Al Gore if you are in need of an example.Do not get me wrong, I am all for saving money and protecting beautiful areas of the world from being demolished and paved over.
I enjoy spending time in some of the many beautiful and forest-covered areas in the U.S., but I am not for punishing the working class on the whims of a bunch of rich assholes.
If they want to push this ideological shit, then they can subsidize this at 100\% for everyone else.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739768</id>
	<title>Alcatel OEMs Aruba Networks wireless access points</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1263321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Alcatel-Lucent's 802.11 wireless access points and controllers are <a href="http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid7\_gci1360869,00.html" title="techtarget.com">OEM'd from Aruba Networks</a> [techtarget.com]. This is interesting and relevant because Aruba also has a big <a href="http://www.arubanetworks.com/company/green\_island.php" title="arubanetworks.com">"green island"</a> [arubanetworks.com] initiative.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Alcatel-Lucent 's 802.11 wireless access points and controllers are OEM 'd from Aruba Networks [ techtarget.com ] .
This is interesting and relevant because Aruba also has a big " green island " [ arubanetworks.com ] initiative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alcatel-Lucent's 802.11 wireless access points and controllers are OEM'd from Aruba Networks [techtarget.com].
This is interesting and relevant because Aruba also has a big "green island" [arubanetworks.com] initiative.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30744140</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>ei4anb</author>
	<datestamp>1263297480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a NetBSD fanboy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>a NetBSD fanboy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a NetBSD fanboy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30741740</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>MiniMike</author>
	<datestamp>1263329100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called standby power.  A recent report found on average 13\% of home energy use is used by devices in a low power state (i.e. "off").  Some devices use power to watch for remote control signals, to maintain a clock, or to download info (i.e. tv downloads new schedules).  Some of it is just wasted in the transformer.  Unplugging is a good option, usually by keeping things plugged into a power bar- easier than unplugging and plugging back into a socket.  I also look for Energy Star rated appliances, as I think they'll also use less power when on.</p><p>That 80\% number may be true for some devices, but it's not accurate overall.  I think cable TV (cable, satellite, fiber) converter boxes are the worst, but most other appliances should use less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called standby power .
A recent report found on average 13 \ % of home energy use is used by devices in a low power state ( i.e .
" off " ) . Some devices use power to watch for remote control signals , to maintain a clock , or to download info ( i.e .
tv downloads new schedules ) .
Some of it is just wasted in the transformer .
Unplugging is a good option , usually by keeping things plugged into a power bar- easier than unplugging and plugging back into a socket .
I also look for Energy Star rated appliances , as I think they 'll also use less power when on.That 80 \ % number may be true for some devices , but it 's not accurate overall .
I think cable TV ( cable , satellite , fiber ) converter boxes are the worst , but most other appliances should use less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called standby power.
A recent report found on average 13\% of home energy use is used by devices in a low power state (i.e.
"off").  Some devices use power to watch for remote control signals, to maintain a clock, or to download info (i.e.
tv downloads new schedules).
Some of it is just wasted in the transformer.
Unplugging is a good option, usually by keeping things plugged into a power bar- easier than unplugging and plugging back into a socket.
I also look for Energy Star rated appliances, as I think they'll also use less power when on.That 80\% number may be true for some devices, but it's not accurate overall.
I think cable TV (cable, satellite, fiber) converter boxes are the worst, but most other appliances should use less.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30742344</id>
	<title>Re:One does wonder.</title>
	<author>GNious</author>
	<datestamp>1263288780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you turn off your cellphone when not using it? How about unplugging the celltower?<br>See, you're not even close to going the full mile yet!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you turn off your cellphone when not using it ?
How about unplugging the celltower ? See , you 're not even close to going the full mile yet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you turn off your cellphone when not using it?
How about unplugging the celltower?See, you're not even close to going the full mile yet!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30740422</id>
	<title>That efficiency will allow us...</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1263323880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... to grow the network eliminating the benefits of energy efficiency by allowing us to expand the network and consume more energy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... to grow the network eliminating the benefits of energy efficiency by allowing us to expand the network and consume more energy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to grow the network eliminating the benefits of energy efficiency by allowing us to expand the network and consume more energy!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_12_1628216.30739934</id>
	<title>Re:1000 times</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263322020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that there are no specifics at all, it probably is.</p><p>Or rather, some designs was thought up on a small scale, how to improve a few devices use of energy and then applying that to all in global use now.</p><p>From their web site:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>An early goal for this initiative is to deliver, within five years, a reference architecture, specifications, technology development roadmap and demonstrations of key components needed to realize a fundamental re-design of networks (including the introduction of entirely new technologies) that can reduce energy consumption &ndash; both by individuals and in aggregate &ndash; by 1000 times as compared to current levels.</p></div><p>That sure sounds like a paper launch, and the rest of the site is as soft on specifics as well.</p><p>1000 times just sounds too far out there (even if true), they should have started with a number that sounds reasonable like 10 times. I can't shake the feeling that 1000 was picked to grab interest (and money) from investors look for a easy and big green tech money maker.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that there are no specifics at all , it probably is.Or rather , some designs was thought up on a small scale , how to improve a few devices use of energy and then applying that to all in global use now.From their web site : An early goal for this initiative is to deliver , within five years , a reference architecture , specifications , technology development roadmap and demonstrations of key components needed to realize a fundamental re-design of networks ( including the introduction of entirely new technologies ) that can reduce energy consumption    both by individuals and in aggregate    by 1000 times as compared to current levels.That sure sounds like a paper launch , and the rest of the site is as soft on specifics as well.1000 times just sounds too far out there ( even if true ) , they should have started with a number that sounds reasonable like 10 times .
I ca n't shake the feeling that 1000 was picked to grab interest ( and money ) from investors look for a easy and big green tech money maker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that there are no specifics at all, it probably is.Or rather, some designs was thought up on a small scale, how to improve a few devices use of energy and then applying that to all in global use now.From their web site:An early goal for this initiative is to deliver, within five years, a reference architecture, specifications, technology development roadmap and demonstrations of key components needed to realize a fundamental re-design of networks (including the introduction of entirely new technologies) that can reduce energy consumption – both by individuals and in aggregate – by 1000 times as compared to current levels.That sure sounds like a paper launch, and the rest of the site is as soft on specifics as well.1000 times just sounds too far out there (even if true), they should have started with a number that sounds reasonable like 10 times.
I can't shake the feeling that 1000 was picked to grab interest (and money) from investors look for a easy and big green tech money maker.
	</sentencetext>
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