<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_11_231205</id>
	<title>Chevrolet Volt In a Gasoline-Only Scenario</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1263205500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>s122604 sends in a performance review of the Chevy Volt, paying particular attention to <a href="http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1001/gallery.chevrolet\_volt\_review/index.html?cnn=yes">what happens after the initial plug-in capacity has been depleted</a>. This reader adds, "The review indicates that the performance is adequate, and perhaps better than anticipated. If the Volt can deliver technically, especially with the possibility that it <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100107-708608.html?mod=WSJ\_earnings\_MIDDLETopHeadlines">could retail for less than expected</a> (WSJ subscription may be required), does GM have a potential hit on its hands?" <i>"How well will General Motors' Chevrolet Volt drive once it gets past its 40 mile all-electric driving range and starts to rely on power generated by its gasoline engine? That's been a question for both critics and fans of the Volt, and with just 11 months to go before this car hits the market, I got the answer."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>s122604 sends in a performance review of the Chevy Volt , paying particular attention to what happens after the initial plug-in capacity has been depleted .
This reader adds , " The review indicates that the performance is adequate , and perhaps better than anticipated .
If the Volt can deliver technically , especially with the possibility that it could retail for less than expected ( WSJ subscription may be required ) , does GM have a potential hit on its hands ?
" " How well will General Motors ' Chevrolet Volt drive once it gets past its 40 mile all-electric driving range and starts to rely on power generated by its gasoline engine ?
That 's been a question for both critics and fans of the Volt , and with just 11 months to go before this car hits the market , I got the answer .
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<sentencetext>s122604 sends in a performance review of the Chevy Volt, paying particular attention to what happens after the initial plug-in capacity has been depleted.
This reader adds, "The review indicates that the performance is adequate, and perhaps better than anticipated.
If the Volt can deliver technically, especially with the possibility that it could retail for less than expected (WSJ subscription may be required), does GM have a potential hit on its hands?
" "How well will General Motors' Chevrolet Volt drive once it gets past its 40 mile all-electric driving range and starts to rely on power generated by its gasoline engine?
That's been a question for both critics and fans of the Volt, and with just 11 months to go before this car hits the market, I got the answer.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30738366</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt weighs 3500 pounds</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1263316560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Survivability usually relates to how much the car extends the deceleration of your body, not to how much relative momentum the car has (the relative momentum is a factor, but not the only one; sagging into a seatbelt is quite a lot gentler than bouncing off the dash, without any need to worry about the external dynamics).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Survivability usually relates to how much the car extends the deceleration of your body , not to how much relative momentum the car has ( the relative momentum is a factor , but not the only one ; sagging into a seatbelt is quite a lot gentler than bouncing off the dash , without any need to worry about the external dynamics ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Survivability usually relates to how much the car extends the deceleration of your body, not to how much relative momentum the car has (the relative momentum is a factor, but not the only one; sagging into a seatbelt is quite a lot gentler than bouncing off the dash, without any need to worry about the external dynamics).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30738020</id>
	<title>Re:I'd rather have more batteries</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1263315420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Unless you work for Nissan how do you know how much the Leaf is going to cost? From my web research it looks like the costs could be very similar</p><p>"All Nissan will say right now is that the car will be priced affordably, and in the range of a well-equipped C-class sedan. A well equipped C-class vehilce runs in the $28,000 to $35,000 range, without the $7500 tax credit the car will be expected to enjoy. If they are factoring that in, consider $35,500 to $42,500." <a href="http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1033846\_2011-nissan-leaf-price" title="allcarselectric.com">http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1033846\_2011-nissan-leaf-price</a> [allcarselectric.com]</p><p>So if Nissan is including the $7500 tax credit in it's "C Class pricing" then it's going to be very similar in price to the Volt.</p><p>2) I've never seen gasoline gel in a tank. I've seen diesel do that though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Unless you work for Nissan how do you know how much the Leaf is going to cost ?
From my web research it looks like the costs could be very similar " All Nissan will say right now is that the car will be priced affordably , and in the range of a well-equipped C-class sedan .
A well equipped C-class vehilce runs in the $ 28,000 to $ 35,000 range , without the $ 7500 tax credit the car will be expected to enjoy .
If they are factoring that in , consider $ 35,500 to $ 42,500 .
" http : //www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1033846 \ _2011-nissan-leaf-price [ allcarselectric.com ] So if Nissan is including the $ 7500 tax credit in it 's " C Class pricing " then it 's going to be very similar in price to the Volt.2 ) I 've never seen gasoline gel in a tank .
I 've seen diesel do that though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Unless you work for Nissan how do you know how much the Leaf is going to cost?
From my web research it looks like the costs could be very similar"All Nissan will say right now is that the car will be priced affordably, and in the range of a well-equipped C-class sedan.
A well equipped C-class vehilce runs in the $28,000 to $35,000 range, without the $7500 tax credit the car will be expected to enjoy.
If they are factoring that in, consider $35,500 to $42,500.
" http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1033846\_2011-nissan-leaf-price [allcarselectric.com]So if Nissan is including the $7500 tax credit in it's "C Class pricing" then it's going to be very similar in price to the Volt.2) I've never seen gasoline gel in a tank.
I've seen diesel do that though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735428</id>
	<title>Mileage?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263300600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe I'm just an obnoxious Prius driver, but when the article promised a review of the performance of the Volt in gas-only mode, I was expecting to hear what the equivalent mileage is.  As another poster responded, "duh" about the electric motor performance being identical.  I'd rather hear about the overall system efficiency in gas mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 'm just an obnoxious Prius driver , but when the article promised a review of the performance of the Volt in gas-only mode , I was expecting to hear what the equivalent mileage is .
As another poster responded , " duh " about the electric motor performance being identical .
I 'd rather hear about the overall system efficiency in gas mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I'm just an obnoxious Prius driver, but when the article promised a review of the performance of the Volt in gas-only mode, I was expecting to hear what the equivalent mileage is.
As another poster responded, "duh" about the electric motor performance being identical.
I'd rather hear about the overall system efficiency in gas mode.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736070</id>
	<title>Re:I'd rather have more batteries</title>
	<author>LocoMotives</author>
	<datestamp>1263306420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GM has a history of car automatic transmissions that fail at 60K miles, so the elimination of it from the drive train is a positive thing. Now, will they continue to make cars that handle like a rolling water balloon?</htmltext>
<tokenext>GM has a history of car automatic transmissions that fail at 60K miles , so the elimination of it from the drive train is a positive thing .
Now , will they continue to make cars that handle like a rolling water balloon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM has a history of car automatic transmissions that fail at 60K miles, so the elimination of it from the drive train is a positive thing.
Now, will they continue to make cars that handle like a rolling water balloon?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30738300</id>
	<title>Re:Qualitative journalism</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1263316380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them don't care about efficiency.</p></div><p>You are assuming that people who are careful with their money will never find it reasonable to buy a new car.  This is a wrong assumption.  I just did the math a year ago when my wife needed a new car.  Cars that are inexpensive to operate don't depreciate as rapidly as cars that are expensive to operate, and used cars are more expensive to finance.<br> <br>

When you factor in the difference in interest rates, it may only cost $1000 more for a new car versus one that is two years old.  For only $1000 more, you could potentially drive that car for an additional two years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them do n't care about efficiency.You are assuming that people who are careful with their money will never find it reasonable to buy a new car .
This is a wrong assumption .
I just did the math a year ago when my wife needed a new car .
Cars that are inexpensive to operate do n't depreciate as rapidly as cars that are expensive to operate , and used cars are more expensive to finance .
When you factor in the difference in interest rates , it may only cost $ 1000 more for a new car versus one that is two years old .
For only $ 1000 more , you could potentially drive that car for an additional two years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them don't care about efficiency.You are assuming that people who are careful with their money will never find it reasonable to buy a new car.
This is a wrong assumption.
I just did the math a year ago when my wife needed a new car.
Cars that are inexpensive to operate don't depreciate as rapidly as cars that are expensive to operate, and used cars are more expensive to finance.
When you factor in the difference in interest rates, it may only cost $1000 more for a new car versus one that is two years old.
For only $1000 more, you could potentially drive that car for an additional two years.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736520</id>
	<title>Then how does it get 50 MPG?</title>
	<author>jjo</author>
	<datestamp>1263309300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it's "very inefficient", then how do they get 50 MPG out of a 3500-lb car?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's " very inefficient " , then how do they get 50 MPG out of a 3500-lb car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's "very inefficient", then how do they get 50 MPG out of a 3500-lb car?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739466</id>
	<title>What's the problem.</title>
	<author>MaWeiTao</author>
	<datestamp>1263320280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't understand the antipathy towards the Volt. Do people not understand how research and development works? GM has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars in research into this car, both directly and indirectly. How can anyone seriously expect this car to enter the market priced with low-cost economy cars? Even the Prius is priced the mid $20k and it's pretty cheap inside. The Insight is about $20k and it's even more compromised for the sake of keeping the price down. But somehow people see that the Volt is a hybrid and think it should cost what a Prius does without taking into account what's different about the technology.</p><p>The Japanese government has invested millions in their automakers to promote R&amp;D. Why is it unreasonable that the US government does the same? I'd much rather my tax dollars go to things like this, which offers a real payoff as opposed to crap that only benefits to interest groups.</p><p>If GM does this right, the Volt could be a huge success for the company. Really, the most important thing is that the car delivers on what is being promised and is reasonably reliable. In the long term, if the car turns out to be a hit, GM had better be smart enough to capitalize on that success.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't understand the antipathy towards the Volt .
Do people not understand how research and development works ?
GM has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars in research into this car , both directly and indirectly .
How can anyone seriously expect this car to enter the market priced with low-cost economy cars ?
Even the Prius is priced the mid $ 20k and it 's pretty cheap inside .
The Insight is about $ 20k and it 's even more compromised for the sake of keeping the price down .
But somehow people see that the Volt is a hybrid and think it should cost what a Prius does without taking into account what 's different about the technology.The Japanese government has invested millions in their automakers to promote R&amp;D .
Why is it unreasonable that the US government does the same ?
I 'd much rather my tax dollars go to things like this , which offers a real payoff as opposed to crap that only benefits to interest groups.If GM does this right , the Volt could be a huge success for the company .
Really , the most important thing is that the car delivers on what is being promised and is reasonably reliable .
In the long term , if the car turns out to be a hit , GM had better be smart enough to capitalize on that success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't understand the antipathy towards the Volt.
Do people not understand how research and development works?
GM has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars in research into this car, both directly and indirectly.
How can anyone seriously expect this car to enter the market priced with low-cost economy cars?
Even the Prius is priced the mid $20k and it's pretty cheap inside.
The Insight is about $20k and it's even more compromised for the sake of keeping the price down.
But somehow people see that the Volt is a hybrid and think it should cost what a Prius does without taking into account what's different about the technology.The Japanese government has invested millions in their automakers to promote R&amp;D.
Why is it unreasonable that the US government does the same?
I'd much rather my tax dollars go to things like this, which offers a real payoff as opposed to crap that only benefits to interest groups.If GM does this right, the Volt could be a huge success for the company.
Really, the most important thing is that the car delivers on what is being promised and is reasonably reliable.
In the long term, if the car turns out to be a hit, GM had better be smart enough to capitalize on that success.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735352</id>
	<title>Performance isn't the question most want to know</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1263300000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we want to know is, what is the mileage when operating on the range extender?</p><p>So if you hop in your Volt and head to Grandma's house a few states over, what is the mileage per gallon?</p><p>While I like the concept of the Volt, paying $40k for a vehicle the size of a Cobalt/Focus doesn't appeal to me unless its off the grid mileage is better than average as well.  I do not want a car just for commuting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we want to know is , what is the mileage when operating on the range extender ? So if you hop in your Volt and head to Grandma 's house a few states over , what is the mileage per gallon ? While I like the concept of the Volt , paying $ 40k for a vehicle the size of a Cobalt/Focus does n't appeal to me unless its off the grid mileage is better than average as well .
I do not want a car just for commuting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we want to know is, what is the mileage when operating on the range extender?So if you hop in your Volt and head to Grandma's house a few states over, what is the mileage per gallon?While I like the concept of the Volt, paying $40k for a vehicle the size of a Cobalt/Focus doesn't appeal to me unless its off the grid mileage is better than average as well.
I do not want a car just for commuting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737486</id>
	<title>Re:Er, a "sport" button?</title>
	<author>Green Salad</author>
	<datestamp>1263313260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wow.  Only in America will we invest millions...And then we go and add a "sport" button to it.</p></div><p>Point of Fact:  My un-American Volvo 960 (pre-Ford takeover) has a "sport mode" button as well.  It's just above the "economy mode" button.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
Only in America will we invest millions...And then we go and add a " sport " button to it.Point of Fact : My un-American Volvo 960 ( pre-Ford takeover ) has a " sport mode " button as well .
It 's just above the " economy mode " button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
Only in America will we invest millions...And then we go and add a "sport" button to it.Point of Fact:  My un-American Volvo 960 (pre-Ford takeover) has a "sport mode" button as well.
It's just above the "economy mode" button.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735166</id>
	<title>Qualitative journalism</title>
	<author>alexwcovington</author>
	<datestamp>1263298140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them don't care about efficiency.  They want a car that will dust whoever's next to them when they take off from a stoplight, and looks/drives sporty and/or like a Cadillac.</p><p>Car reporters take this a step farther and don't even care how much the car costs to buy or operate, just how it feels to be behind the wheel.  So in the end, cheap cars never get positive press, and efficient cars only get it if they play to the luxury-class tastes of Car and Driver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them do n't care about efficiency .
They want a car that will dust whoever 's next to them when they take off from a stoplight , and looks/drives sporty and/or like a Cadillac.Car reporters take this a step farther and do n't even care how much the car costs to buy or operate , just how it feels to be behind the wheel .
So in the end , cheap cars never get positive press , and efficient cars only get it if they play to the luxury-class tastes of Car and Driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them don't care about efficiency.
They want a car that will dust whoever's next to them when they take off from a stoplight, and looks/drives sporty and/or like a Cadillac.Car reporters take this a step farther and don't even care how much the car costs to buy or operate, just how it feels to be behind the wheel.
So in the end, cheap cars never get positive press, and efficient cars only get it if they play to the luxury-class tastes of Car and Driver.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30743490</id>
	<title>Re:Stale Gasoline?</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1263294360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>WHAT are you going on about? I regularly run engines in my snowblower, chainsaw, weed whacker, etc on gas that has been sitting for a year or more. As long as it is in a sealed container where it won't get additional moisture gasoline is perfectly stable as it comes from every gas station in the country. I really wonder where people get these ideas, I guess the marketing folks at STP have earned their pay....</htmltext>
<tokenext>WHAT are you going on about ?
I regularly run engines in my snowblower , chainsaw , weed whacker , etc on gas that has been sitting for a year or more .
As long as it is in a sealed container where it wo n't get additional moisture gasoline is perfectly stable as it comes from every gas station in the country .
I really wonder where people get these ideas , I guess the marketing folks at STP have earned their pay... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHAT are you going on about?
I regularly run engines in my snowblower, chainsaw, weed whacker, etc on gas that has been sitting for a year or more.
As long as it is in a sealed container where it won't get additional moisture gasoline is perfectly stable as it comes from every gas station in the country.
I really wonder where people get these ideas, I guess the marketing folks at STP have earned their pay....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735944</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263305640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, small gasoline generators are MUCH cheaper to operate than household electricity service. That's why most American's run their house of a generator instead of using the public utility. Are you serious?? were talking about a couple of orders of magnitude in cost difference here! Do a Google search before you spread such nonsense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , small gasoline generators are MUCH cheaper to operate than household electricity service .
That 's why most American 's run their house of a generator instead of using the public utility .
Are you serious ? ?
were talking about a couple of orders of magnitude in cost difference here !
Do a Google search before you spread such nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, small gasoline generators are MUCH cheaper to operate than household electricity service.
That's why most American's run their house of a generator instead of using the public utility.
Are you serious??
were talking about a couple of orders of magnitude in cost difference here!
Do a Google search before you spread such nonsense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737824</id>
	<title>Re:Qualitative journalism</title>
	<author>SecurityGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1263314700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them don't care about efficiency.</p></div></blockquote><p>This is just not true.  Markets are not homogeneous.  Some care about efficiency and buy a Prius.  Some care more about operating cost and buy an econobox that gets worse mileage than a hybrid, but costs less to operate.  Some care about impressing the neighbors, and buy whatever it takes to do that.  Some want to be trendy, and buy some god awful thing like the so-called "Smart Car".</p><p>If you want to say something like "males between 18-25 generally don't care about efficiency"...ok, I'll give you that one.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)  But they're not the target market for the Volt, are they?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them do n't care about efficiency.This is just not true .
Markets are not homogeneous .
Some care about efficiency and buy a Prius .
Some care more about operating cost and buy an econobox that gets worse mileage than a hybrid , but costs less to operate .
Some care about impressing the neighbors , and buy whatever it takes to do that .
Some want to be trendy , and buy some god awful thing like the so-called " Smart Car " .If you want to say something like " males between 18-25 generally do n't care about efficiency " ...ok , I 'll give you that one .
: ) But they 're not the target market for the Volt , are they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The classic problem with selling new cars is that the people who can afford to buy them don't care about efficiency.This is just not true.
Markets are not homogeneous.
Some care about efficiency and buy a Prius.
Some care more about operating cost and buy an econobox that gets worse mileage than a hybrid, but costs less to operate.
Some care about impressing the neighbors, and buy whatever it takes to do that.
Some want to be trendy, and buy some god awful thing like the so-called "Smart Car".If you want to say something like "males between 18-25 generally don't care about efficiency"...ok, I'll give you that one.
:)  But they're not the target market for the Volt, are they?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30743098</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is THE car for the times...</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1263292740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dead dino petro will run out, but a diesel engine can run just fine on plant or algae derived petrochemicals and the total lifecycle may be significantly more efficient than any other "green" energy technology we can come up with short of fusion. Also Tesla came up with the solution to your rare long trip problem, a small trailer with an engine, fuel tank, and generator. You could rent them at the same places you rent vehicles today like Budget, Hertz, or U-Haul and it has the major advantage of not needing to carry around all that weight when using it as a commuter vehicle for 90+\% of the time so it's more efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dead dino petro will run out , but a diesel engine can run just fine on plant or algae derived petrochemicals and the total lifecycle may be significantly more efficient than any other " green " energy technology we can come up with short of fusion .
Also Tesla came up with the solution to your rare long trip problem , a small trailer with an engine , fuel tank , and generator .
You could rent them at the same places you rent vehicles today like Budget , Hertz , or U-Haul and it has the major advantage of not needing to carry around all that weight when using it as a commuter vehicle for 90 + \ % of the time so it 's more efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dead dino petro will run out, but a diesel engine can run just fine on plant or algae derived petrochemicals and the total lifecycle may be significantly more efficient than any other "green" energy technology we can come up with short of fusion.
Also Tesla came up with the solution to your rare long trip problem, a small trailer with an engine, fuel tank, and generator.
You could rent them at the same places you rent vehicles today like Budget, Hertz, or U-Haul and it has the major advantage of not needing to carry around all that weight when using it as a commuter vehicle for 90+\% of the time so it's more efficient.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735234</id>
	<title>Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263298920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is still not clear to me is what is cheaper : "filling" your battery through the gasoline engine or plugging to an electricity socket ? GM doesn't provide clear information about this. Of course it depends on oil and electricity prices, but does anybody have a rough idea ?
<br> <br>
If it is cheaper to refill the battery with the gasoline engine, then I suspect that only hard core environmentalists will plug their Volt every night. But if the gasoline engine is more expensive, the Volt could become a hit for all those who normally drive less than 40 miles a day (and who would occasionally use the gasoline engine).</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is still not clear to me is what is cheaper : " filling " your battery through the gasoline engine or plugging to an electricity socket ?
GM does n't provide clear information about this .
Of course it depends on oil and electricity prices , but does anybody have a rough idea ?
If it is cheaper to refill the battery with the gasoline engine , then I suspect that only hard core environmentalists will plug their Volt every night .
But if the gasoline engine is more expensive , the Volt could become a hit for all those who normally drive less than 40 miles a day ( and who would occasionally use the gasoline engine ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is still not clear to me is what is cheaper : "filling" your battery through the gasoline engine or plugging to an electricity socket ?
GM doesn't provide clear information about this.
Of course it depends on oil and electricity prices, but does anybody have a rough idea ?
If it is cheaper to refill the battery with the gasoline engine, then I suspect that only hard core environmentalists will plug their Volt every night.
But if the gasoline engine is more expensive, the Volt could become a hit for all those who normally drive less than 40 miles a day (and who would occasionally use the gasoline engine).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735398</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1263300420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The socket is much cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The socket is much cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The socket is much cheaper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735000</id>
	<title>Oh great, another subdized vehicle...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263296100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that's still too expensive for Joe Shiftworker.  Doesn't it just give you a warm fuzzy to see people driving past you in cars that <em>you</em> can't afford to buy because the Government gouged you so hard in order to give your tax money to the people who <em>can</em> afford to buy them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that 's still too expensive for Joe Shiftworker .
Does n't it just give you a warm fuzzy to see people driving past you in cars that you ca n't afford to buy because the Government gouged you so hard in order to give your tax money to the people who can afford to buy them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that's still too expensive for Joe Shiftworker.
Doesn't it just give you a warm fuzzy to see people driving past you in cars that you can't afford to buy because the Government gouged you so hard in order to give your tax money to the people who can afford to buy them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736178</id>
	<title>Stale Gasoline?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263307080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do they plan to solve the stale gasoline issue when everyone uses 100\% electric for months at a time?  You know, gas does go bad after about 6 weeks.</p><p>What company makes gasoline "fixer"?  Are they publicly traded?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do they plan to solve the stale gasoline issue when everyone uses 100 \ % electric for months at a time ?
You know , gas does go bad after about 6 weeks.What company makes gasoline " fixer " ?
Are they publicly traded ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do they plan to solve the stale gasoline issue when everyone uses 100\% electric for months at a time?
You know, gas does go bad after about 6 weeks.What company makes gasoline "fixer"?
Are they publicly traded?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735668</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>tgd</author>
	<datestamp>1263303480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thats not really a safe assumption to make, although it may be true in the case of the Volt.</p><p>Electric motors can draw enormous amounts of power. Even a fairly low end car these days can peak out at around 100hp, although likely not except when you mash on the gas trying to merge or something.</p><p>100hp is 75 kilowatts. With electical losses and so forth, you're going to need to pump maybe 90 kilowatts to the motor to get that equivalent amount of "oomph" when you mash on the pedal.</p><p>With the right battery pack, you can easily draw power like that for some short period of time, however if you are running purely off the generator in the car, you *can't* draw that much power unless the generator is turning out 90 kilowatts, too... or 120hp.</p><p>You won't put a 120hp generator into a car like the Volt, because of both weight and fuel efficiency issues. You want something that runs quietly, you want it to be light, and able to start up and get to its efficiency peak quickly.</p><p>So, you can design a car where the performance is same on battery or generator, however if you do so you're either lowering the power on battery to match the generator, or wasting energy during the periods you are running on battery lugging around a generator that is oversized for your application.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats not really a safe assumption to make , although it may be true in the case of the Volt.Electric motors can draw enormous amounts of power .
Even a fairly low end car these days can peak out at around 100hp , although likely not except when you mash on the gas trying to merge or something.100hp is 75 kilowatts .
With electical losses and so forth , you 're going to need to pump maybe 90 kilowatts to the motor to get that equivalent amount of " oomph " when you mash on the pedal.With the right battery pack , you can easily draw power like that for some short period of time , however if you are running purely off the generator in the car , you * ca n't * draw that much power unless the generator is turning out 90 kilowatts , too... or 120hp.You wo n't put a 120hp generator into a car like the Volt , because of both weight and fuel efficiency issues .
You want something that runs quietly , you want it to be light , and able to start up and get to its efficiency peak quickly.So , you can design a car where the performance is same on battery or generator , however if you do so you 're either lowering the power on battery to match the generator , or wasting energy during the periods you are running on battery lugging around a generator that is oversized for your application .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats not really a safe assumption to make, although it may be true in the case of the Volt.Electric motors can draw enormous amounts of power.
Even a fairly low end car these days can peak out at around 100hp, although likely not except when you mash on the gas trying to merge or something.100hp is 75 kilowatts.
With electical losses and so forth, you're going to need to pump maybe 90 kilowatts to the motor to get that equivalent amount of "oomph" when you mash on the pedal.With the right battery pack, you can easily draw power like that for some short period of time, however if you are running purely off the generator in the car, you *can't* draw that much power unless the generator is turning out 90 kilowatts, too... or 120hp.You won't put a 120hp generator into a car like the Volt, because of both weight and fuel efficiency issues.
You want something that runs quietly, you want it to be light, and able to start up and get to its efficiency peak quickly.So, you can design a car where the performance is same on battery or generator, however if you do so you're either lowering the power on battery to match the generator, or wasting energy during the periods you are running on battery lugging around a generator that is oversized for your application.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735790</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1263304320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What is its fuel-performance when batteries are depleted?"</p><p>About 50 mpg. YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What is its fuel-performance when batteries are depleted ?
" About 50 mpg .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What is its fuel-performance when batteries are depleted?
"About 50 mpg.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735318</id>
	<title>Re:Just 11 months to go?</title>
	<author>JackieBrown</author>
	<datestamp>1263299700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate the trend of movies doing this.  You see an awesome trailer which ends with the teaser date of Spring 2011.</p><p>I guess it must work for some people.  For me, it just burns out my desire for the movie long before it airs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate the trend of movies doing this .
You see an awesome trailer which ends with the teaser date of Spring 2011.I guess it must work for some people .
For me , it just burns out my desire for the movie long before it airs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate the trend of movies doing this.
You see an awesome trailer which ends with the teaser date of Spring 2011.I guess it must work for some people.
For me, it just burns out my desire for the movie long before it airs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735440</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263300780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Generally, the economics of scale (large scale fossil burning at a power plant) make even hydrocarbon electricity cheaper than gasoline. That's even taking into account transmission losses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Generally , the economics of scale ( large scale fossil burning at a power plant ) make even hydrocarbon electricity cheaper than gasoline .
That 's even taking into account transmission losses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Generally, the economics of scale (large scale fossil burning at a power plant) make even hydrocarbon electricity cheaper than gasoline.
That's even taking into account transmission losses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736718</id>
	<title>I'll be buying one</title>
	<author>adric22</author>
	<datestamp>1263310260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll be buying one.  As soon as my local Chevrolet dealer has one on the lot and I can pick one up for around $30,000 or less (after any govt. incentives, obviously).  True, I normally wouldn't pay more than $25 for any vehicle, but with the gas-savings it will make up the difference.  And the volt beats the heck out of the Plug-in Prius that only goes around 12 miles on battery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be buying one .
As soon as my local Chevrolet dealer has one on the lot and I can pick one up for around $ 30,000 or less ( after any govt .
incentives , obviously ) .
True , I normally would n't pay more than $ 25 for any vehicle , but with the gas-savings it will make up the difference .
And the volt beats the heck out of the Plug-in Prius that only goes around 12 miles on battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be buying one.
As soon as my local Chevrolet dealer has one on the lot and I can pick one up for around $30,000 or less (after any govt.
incentives, obviously).
True, I normally wouldn't pay more than $25 for any vehicle, but with the gas-savings it will make up the difference.
And the volt beats the heck out of the Plug-in Prius that only goes around 12 miles on battery.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737860</id>
	<title>THey could have other cars too.</title>
	<author>Scarumanga</author>
	<datestamp>1263314820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well if GM had not bought all the electric cars off of Opel and then destroyed them in the Nevada desert, i think we would have some nicer European electric models here already that could do better than this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if GM had not bought all the electric cars off of Opel and then destroyed them in the Nevada desert , i think we would have some nicer European electric models here already that could do better than this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if GM had not bought all the electric cars off of Opel and then destroyed them in the Nevada desert, i think we would have some nicer European electric models here already that could do better than this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735534</id>
	<title>Diesel/petrol electric isn't very efficient</title>
	<author>Viol8</author>
	<datestamp>1263301680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its mechanically very simple and robust (which is why its used in railway and shipping applications) but its very inefficient compared to attaching the engine direct to the wheels. I wonder why GM have chosen to do it this way? Cost? To me it rather defeats some of the enviromental benefits of this vehicle as it will probablt use more fuel when in this mode than a normal car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its mechanically very simple and robust ( which is why its used in railway and shipping applications ) but its very inefficient compared to attaching the engine direct to the wheels .
I wonder why GM have chosen to do it this way ?
Cost ? To me it rather defeats some of the enviromental benefits of this vehicle as it will probablt use more fuel when in this mode than a normal car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its mechanically very simple and robust (which is why its used in railway and shipping applications) but its very inefficient compared to attaching the engine direct to the wheels.
I wonder why GM have chosen to do it this way?
Cost? To me it rather defeats some of the enviromental benefits of this vehicle as it will probablt use more fuel when in this mode than a normal car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30734988</id>
	<title>Panties STINK!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263296040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Panties stink! They really, really stink!<br>Sometimes they're red, Sometimes they're green.<br>Sometimes they're white, or black or pink.<br>Sometimes they're satin, sometimes they're lace,<br>Sometimes they're cotton and soak up stains!<br>But at the end of the day, it really makes you think-<br>Wooooo-whee! Panties stink!</p><p>Sometimes they're on the bathroom floor<br>Your girlfriend! What a whore!<br>Sometimes they're warm and wet and raw<br>From beneath the skirt of your mother-in-law!<br>Brownish stains from daily wear<br>A gusset full of pubic hair<br>Just make sure your nose is ready<br>For the tang of a sweat-soaked wedgie<br>In your hand a pair of drawers<br>With a funky feminine discharge<br>Give your nose a rest, fix your self a drink<br>'Cause woooo-wheeeee! Panties stink!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Panties stink !
They really , really stink ! Sometimes they 're red , Sometimes they 're green.Sometimes they 're white , or black or pink.Sometimes they 're satin , sometimes they 're lace,Sometimes they 're cotton and soak up stains ! But at the end of the day , it really makes you think-Wooooo-whee !
Panties stink ! Sometimes they 're on the bathroom floorYour girlfriend !
What a whore ! Sometimes they 're warm and wet and rawFrom beneath the skirt of your mother-in-law ! Brownish stains from daily wearA gusset full of pubic hairJust make sure your nose is readyFor the tang of a sweat-soaked wedgieIn your hand a pair of drawersWith a funky feminine dischargeGive your nose a rest , fix your self a drink'Cause woooo-wheeeee !
Panties stink !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Panties stink!
They really, really stink!Sometimes they're red, Sometimes they're green.Sometimes they're white, or black or pink.Sometimes they're satin, sometimes they're lace,Sometimes they're cotton and soak up stains!But at the end of the day, it really makes you think-Wooooo-whee!
Panties stink!Sometimes they're on the bathroom floorYour girlfriend!
What a whore!Sometimes they're warm and wet and rawFrom beneath the skirt of your mother-in-law!Brownish stains from daily wearA gusset full of pubic hairJust make sure your nose is readyFor the tang of a sweat-soaked wedgieIn your hand a pair of drawersWith a funky feminine dischargeGive your nose a rest, fix your self a drink'Cause woooo-wheeeee!
Panties stink!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735462</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>aclarke</author>
	<datestamp>1263300960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Driving the Volt is cheaper if you can scam a recharge while you're at work...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Driving the Volt is cheaper if you can scam a recharge while you 're at work.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Driving the Volt is cheaper if you can scam a recharge while you're at work...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735510</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1263301500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It should be a couple cents to recharge fully, nomatter where you live.</p><p>But that full charge only gives 40 miles, so... hmm..</p><p>If you're worried that it'll break the bank, shut a lightbulb off somewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be a couple cents to recharge fully , nomatter where you live.But that full charge only gives 40 miles , so... hmm..If you 're worried that it 'll break the bank , shut a lightbulb off somewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be a couple cents to recharge fully, nomatter where you live.But that full charge only gives 40 miles, so... hmm..If you're worried that it'll break the bank, shut a lightbulb off somewhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30743902</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1263296460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If every city's utility companies are like the ones in Kansas City, whichever energy source Americans become the most dependent on will end up being the most expensive. It's obvious what gas companies have done. But every time something changes, the electric company uses it as an excuse for a rate increase. First, our mayor put rules in place requiring utility companies to remove their metal plates from the road, or make the road smooth with the plate on it. They got a rate increase to pay for this "new expense", even though they were supposed to be doing this in the first place, which means it's not a new expense. Now they're required to upgrade to more "green" power plants. They're getting a rate increase to build it. I wonder if the rate will go back down after they're built... An increasing number of cars getting recharged every year will offer an excellent excuse to increase rates every year. Finally, people will realize gas and electric are the same price and it was cheaper to do an all-gas car because they cost less. But maybe I'm just being overly pessimistic because I overestimate how much energy companies like to screw people over.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If every city 's utility companies are like the ones in Kansas City , whichever energy source Americans become the most dependent on will end up being the most expensive .
It 's obvious what gas companies have done .
But every time something changes , the electric company uses it as an excuse for a rate increase .
First , our mayor put rules in place requiring utility companies to remove their metal plates from the road , or make the road smooth with the plate on it .
They got a rate increase to pay for this " new expense " , even though they were supposed to be doing this in the first place , which means it 's not a new expense .
Now they 're required to upgrade to more " green " power plants .
They 're getting a rate increase to build it .
I wonder if the rate will go back down after they 're built... An increasing number of cars getting recharged every year will offer an excellent excuse to increase rates every year .
Finally , people will realize gas and electric are the same price and it was cheaper to do an all-gas car because they cost less .
But maybe I 'm just being overly pessimistic because I overestimate how much energy companies like to screw people over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If every city's utility companies are like the ones in Kansas City, whichever energy source Americans become the most dependent on will end up being the most expensive.
It's obvious what gas companies have done.
But every time something changes, the electric company uses it as an excuse for a rate increase.
First, our mayor put rules in place requiring utility companies to remove their metal plates from the road, or make the road smooth with the plate on it.
They got a rate increase to pay for this "new expense", even though they were supposed to be doing this in the first place, which means it's not a new expense.
Now they're required to upgrade to more "green" power plants.
They're getting a rate increase to build it.
I wonder if the rate will go back down after they're built... An increasing number of cars getting recharged every year will offer an excellent excuse to increase rates every year.
Finally, people will realize gas and electric are the same price and it was cheaper to do an all-gas car because they cost less.
But maybe I'm just being overly pessimistic because I overestimate how much energy companies like to screw people over.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737706</id>
	<title>Re:Qualitative journalism</title>
	<author>natehoy</author>
	<datestamp>1263314280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I admit it's been a few years since I've shopped for a car, but I clearly recall most of the reviews on most auto sites talk about fuel mileage and cost of operation, at least in broad terms.  I've never read a "Car and Driver" review, though, so I wouldn't know their style.  I also don't take a lot of automotive advice from "Top Gear" either, though I do find their antics amusing.  Actually, I think if "Top Gear" likes it, I'd probably avoid it at all costs.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Except for special cases (plow truck, for example) I always buy new and drive 'em until I can't rely on 'em any more.  With good maintenance, I can get ten years out of a car.  And efficiency is a very large part of my purchasing decision, because fuel savings help me save up for the next car.  If I buy something that gets 40MPG instead of 30MPG, that's $3000 at the end of ten years that I can spend on toys for my next new car or get a slightly nicer one, or just keep more cash on hand.</p><p>It's not ALL of it - if I'm living with a car for ten or more years I want something fairly comfortable, reliable, large enough to be useful to me, and fun to drive - but it weighs heavily in my decision.</p><p>Anything you spend on a car is "lost money".  That includes the initial purchase price and maintenance and fuel costs.  I'm a tightwad, so I try to lose as little money as possible while still getting something I won't mind driving for a decade or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit it 's been a few years since I 've shopped for a car , but I clearly recall most of the reviews on most auto sites talk about fuel mileage and cost of operation , at least in broad terms .
I 've never read a " Car and Driver " review , though , so I would n't know their style .
I also do n't take a lot of automotive advice from " Top Gear " either , though I do find their antics amusing .
Actually , I think if " Top Gear " likes it , I 'd probably avoid it at all costs .
: ) Except for special cases ( plow truck , for example ) I always buy new and drive 'em until I ca n't rely on 'em any more .
With good maintenance , I can get ten years out of a car .
And efficiency is a very large part of my purchasing decision , because fuel savings help me save up for the next car .
If I buy something that gets 40MPG instead of 30MPG , that 's $ 3000 at the end of ten years that I can spend on toys for my next new car or get a slightly nicer one , or just keep more cash on hand.It 's not ALL of it - if I 'm living with a car for ten or more years I want something fairly comfortable , reliable , large enough to be useful to me , and fun to drive - but it weighs heavily in my decision.Anything you spend on a car is " lost money " .
That includes the initial purchase price and maintenance and fuel costs .
I 'm a tightwad , so I try to lose as little money as possible while still getting something I wo n't mind driving for a decade or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit it's been a few years since I've shopped for a car, but I clearly recall most of the reviews on most auto sites talk about fuel mileage and cost of operation, at least in broad terms.
I've never read a "Car and Driver" review, though, so I wouldn't know their style.
I also don't take a lot of automotive advice from "Top Gear" either, though I do find their antics amusing.
Actually, I think if "Top Gear" likes it, I'd probably avoid it at all costs.
:)Except for special cases (plow truck, for example) I always buy new and drive 'em until I can't rely on 'em any more.
With good maintenance, I can get ten years out of a car.
And efficiency is a very large part of my purchasing decision, because fuel savings help me save up for the next car.
If I buy something that gets 40MPG instead of 30MPG, that's $3000 at the end of ten years that I can spend on toys for my next new car or get a slightly nicer one, or just keep more cash on hand.It's not ALL of it - if I'm living with a car for ten or more years I want something fairly comfortable, reliable, large enough to be useful to me, and fun to drive - but it weighs heavily in my decision.Anything you spend on a car is "lost money".
That includes the initial purchase price and maintenance and fuel costs.
I'm a tightwad, so I try to lose as little money as possible while still getting something I won't mind driving for a decade or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735962</id>
	<title>40 Miles OK, but whats the MPG</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1263305760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>  40 Miles on a charge seems fine to me. I'm willing to bet though
that a lot of lazy drivers will choose to power the car on gasoline,
whenever they have to go out of there way to get a electric charge
up. The article didn't say what mileage the Volt gets per gallon, hope
it better than regular gasoline cars.
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<tokenext>40 Miles on a charge seems fine to me .
I 'm willing to bet though that a lot of lazy drivers will choose to power the car on gasoline , whenever they have to go out of there way to get a electric charge up .
The article did n't say what mileage the Volt gets per gallon , hope it better than regular gasoline cars .
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<sentencetext>  40 Miles on a charge seems fine to me.
I'm willing to bet though
that a lot of lazy drivers will choose to power the car on gasoline,
whenever they have to go out of there way to get a electric charge
up.
The article didn't say what mileage the Volt gets per gallon, hope
it better than regular gasoline cars.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735476</id>
	<title>Battery should be cheaper</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1263301080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The battery should be cheaper, by far, because its a lot easier to dig coal out of the ground, have one big engine convert it to electricity and ship it over a wire, than it is to build container ships and oil drilling and refining apparatus send you energy that you can convert.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The battery should be cheaper , by far , because its a lot easier to dig coal out of the ground , have one big engine convert it to electricity and ship it over a wire , than it is to build container ships and oil drilling and refining apparatus send you energy that you can convert .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The battery should be cheaper, by far, because its a lot easier to dig coal out of the ground, have one big engine convert it to electricity and ship it over a wire, than it is to build container ships and oil drilling and refining apparatus send you energy that you can convert.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735718</id>
	<title>The Volt weighs 3500 pounds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263303840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Volt is a heavy car for its size.  This is good and bad.  Good because it probably increases the survivability of the driver during a collision with another car (conservation of momentum, p=mv).  Bad because it probably makes the car more difficult to drive in slippery conditions, especially while making turns.  An electric car like this also begs the question, how much electrical energy is wasted to heat the interior of the car in the dead of winter while the gasoline engine is turned off?  Also, until more of our electricity comes from greener energy sources (wind, nuclear, solar, etc) is this car really better for the environment?  The good thing about this car is it means less money going to fund terrorists in foreign lands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Volt is a heavy car for its size .
This is good and bad .
Good because it probably increases the survivability of the driver during a collision with another car ( conservation of momentum , p = mv ) .
Bad because it probably makes the car more difficult to drive in slippery conditions , especially while making turns .
An electric car like this also begs the question , how much electrical energy is wasted to heat the interior of the car in the dead of winter while the gasoline engine is turned off ?
Also , until more of our electricity comes from greener energy sources ( wind , nuclear , solar , etc ) is this car really better for the environment ?
The good thing about this car is it means less money going to fund terrorists in foreign lands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Volt is a heavy car for its size.
This is good and bad.
Good because it probably increases the survivability of the driver during a collision with another car (conservation of momentum, p=mv).
Bad because it probably makes the car more difficult to drive in slippery conditions, especially while making turns.
An electric car like this also begs the question, how much electrical energy is wasted to heat the interior of the car in the dead of winter while the gasoline engine is turned off?
Also, until more of our electricity comes from greener energy sources (wind, nuclear, solar, etc) is this car really better for the environment?
The good thing about this car is it means less money going to fund terrorists in foreign lands.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30740554</id>
	<title>Re:Stale Gasoline?</title>
	<author>mlts</author>
	<datestamp>1263324240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gasoline doesn't go stale that fast.  Yes gasoline does break down, but I've seen a tank's worth be usable months if not years later.  What makes gas "stale" is almost always a fuel system that allows water in the lines, either via condensation, or through leaks.  This will make a tank of gasoline unusable if there is enough water in the system.</p><p>If I'm storing a vehicle for medium term storage, I may or may not bother with gasoline preserver additive.  Instead, I make sure the gas tank is full to minimize any effects of water getting in the system.  So far, this has worked out well.  Long term storage (years) is a different beast altogether.  Here, I would drain the fuel system completely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gasoline does n't go stale that fast .
Yes gasoline does break down , but I 've seen a tank 's worth be usable months if not years later .
What makes gas " stale " is almost always a fuel system that allows water in the lines , either via condensation , or through leaks .
This will make a tank of gasoline unusable if there is enough water in the system.If I 'm storing a vehicle for medium term storage , I may or may not bother with gasoline preserver additive .
Instead , I make sure the gas tank is full to minimize any effects of water getting in the system .
So far , this has worked out well .
Long term storage ( years ) is a different beast altogether .
Here , I would drain the fuel system completely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gasoline doesn't go stale that fast.
Yes gasoline does break down, but I've seen a tank's worth be usable months if not years later.
What makes gas "stale" is almost always a fuel system that allows water in the lines, either via condensation, or through leaks.
This will make a tank of gasoline unusable if there is enough water in the system.If I'm storing a vehicle for medium term storage, I may or may not bother with gasoline preserver additive.
Instead, I make sure the gas tank is full to minimize any effects of water getting in the system.
So far, this has worked out well.
Long term storage (years) is a different beast altogether.
Here, I would drain the fuel system completely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735988</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is THE car for the times...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263306000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://aptera.com/" title="aptera.com" rel="nofollow">Aptera</a> [aptera.com] hybrid is better.<br>How does 130mpg without plugging in sound?<br>How does a $30,000 <strong>non-subsidized</strong> cost sound?<br>The electric-only version is supposed to cost $27,000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Aptera [ aptera.com ] hybrid is better.How does 130mpg without plugging in sound ? How does a $ 30,000 non-subsidized cost sound ? The electric-only version is supposed to cost $ 27,000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Aptera [aptera.com] hybrid is better.How does 130mpg without plugging in sound?How does a $30,000 non-subsidized cost sound?The electric-only version is supposed to cost $27,000.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735830</id>
	<title>Er, a "sport" button?</title>
	<author>geekmux</author>
	<datestamp>1263304680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow.  Only in America will we invest millions into the Engineering and Design of a new hybrid vehicle, which by it's existence alone, has but one primary goal; <b>maximum</b> gas mileage.</p><p>And then we go and add a "sport" button to it.</p><p>In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "way to go, A-hole."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow .
Only in America will we invest millions into the Engineering and Design of a new hybrid vehicle , which by it 's existence alone , has but one primary goal ; maximum gas mileage.And then we go and add a " sport " button to it.In the immortal words of Dr. Evil , " way to go , A-hole .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow.
Only in America will we invest millions into the Engineering and Design of a new hybrid vehicle, which by it's existence alone, has but one primary goal; maximum gas mileage.And then we go and add a "sport" button to it.In the immortal words of Dr. Evil, "way to go, A-hole.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735182</id>
	<title>The Volt is THE car for the times...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263298260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The virtually inevitable future of ground transportation isn't petroleum, since we will indeed eventually run out.  However the obstacles are too many for a pure EV to be used as anything but a commuter car.  (Namely, EV's are entirely useless for long-haul driving, with the even the longest range vehicles only providing less than 1/4 of that needed for a long haul trip.  And no, you can't quick charge without MAJOR upgrades to the infrastructure.)</p><p>Doing the lion's share of your driving on batt., charging slowly at home, and still having the gas capacity for a long-range trip is a good compromise, and one that I think will carry us through the next couple of decades of auto development.</p><p>SirWired</p><p>P.S. I'm surprised at the number of articles that are so impressed that the engine isn't connected to the drive wheels.  This is how locomotives have worked for decades, albeit for different reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The virtually inevitable future of ground transportation is n't petroleum , since we will indeed eventually run out .
However the obstacles are too many for a pure EV to be used as anything but a commuter car .
( Namely , EV 's are entirely useless for long-haul driving , with the even the longest range vehicles only providing less than 1/4 of that needed for a long haul trip .
And no , you ca n't quick charge without MAJOR upgrades to the infrastructure .
) Doing the lion 's share of your driving on batt. , charging slowly at home , and still having the gas capacity for a long-range trip is a good compromise , and one that I think will carry us through the next couple of decades of auto development.SirWiredP.S .
I 'm surprised at the number of articles that are so impressed that the engine is n't connected to the drive wheels .
This is how locomotives have worked for decades , albeit for different reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The virtually inevitable future of ground transportation isn't petroleum, since we will indeed eventually run out.
However the obstacles are too many for a pure EV to be used as anything but a commuter car.
(Namely, EV's are entirely useless for long-haul driving, with the even the longest range vehicles only providing less than 1/4 of that needed for a long haul trip.
And no, you can't quick charge without MAJOR upgrades to the infrastructure.
)Doing the lion's share of your driving on batt., charging slowly at home, and still having the gas capacity for a long-range trip is a good compromise, and one that I think will carry us through the next couple of decades of auto development.SirWiredP.S.
I'm surprised at the number of articles that are so impressed that the engine isn't connected to the drive wheels.
This is how locomotives have worked for decades, albeit for different reasons.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30740960</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263325920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So why can't they drop the batteries off the bottom-tier model, and sell a 50mpg car for $25K?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So why ca n't they drop the batteries off the bottom-tier model , and sell a 50mpg car for $ 25K ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So why can't they drop the batteries off the bottom-tier model, and sell a 50mpg car for $25K?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735802</id>
	<title>Re:Just 11 months to go?</title>
	<author>Cyberax</author>
	<datestamp>1263304500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Since when is 11 months a short time until the release of a product? It shouldn't even be being discussed this far out."</p><p>11 months is a short time, considering that the development of the Volt took 4 years already. And consider that pre-production Volts (assembled manually) are already on the roads. In 11 months GM plans to open \_assembly line\_.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Since when is 11 months a short time until the release of a product ?
It should n't even be being discussed this far out .
" 11 months is a short time , considering that the development of the Volt took 4 years already .
And consider that pre-production Volts ( assembled manually ) are already on the roads .
In 11 months GM plans to open \ _assembly line \ _ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Since when is 11 months a short time until the release of a product?
It shouldn't even be being discussed this far out.
"11 months is a short time, considering that the development of the Volt took 4 years already.
And consider that pre-production Volts (assembled manually) are already on the roads.
In 11 months GM plans to open \_assembly line\_.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735012</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263296400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course the driving performance is the exact same. There is only one driving engine, the electric one, and creating power-enough for it is not hard. Now the real question is: What is its fuel-performance when batteries are depleted?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course the driving performance is the exact same .
There is only one driving engine , the electric one , and creating power-enough for it is not hard .
Now the real question is : What is its fuel-performance when batteries are depleted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course the driving performance is the exact same.
There is only one driving engine, the electric one, and creating power-enough for it is not hard.
Now the real question is: What is its fuel-performance when batteries are depleted?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739178</id>
	<title>a hundred being road tested by GM employees now</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1263319200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Believe it or not, an auto major does a fair amount of advance testing before shipping.  The papers announced last week the Volt battery factory had begun production in Warren Michigan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe it or not , an auto major does a fair amount of advance testing before shipping .
The papers announced last week the Volt battery factory had begun production in Warren Michigan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe it or not, an auto major does a fair amount of advance testing before shipping.
The papers announced last week the Volt battery factory had begun production in Warren Michigan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737496</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Graff</author>
	<datestamp>1263313320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't see it being any less fuel efficient than a standard car</p></div><p>Of course it could be less fuel efficient than a standard car. The process of converting mechanical energy to electrical energy and back isn't 100\% efficient. You have to take the mechanical energy of the engine, convert it to electrical energy, transmit it to the electric motors, and then the motors convert the electrical energy to mechanical energy. All of those steps waste some of the energy.</p><p>Now, are the inefficiencies of mechanical/electrical conversion compensated by the increased efficiency of a gasoline engine operating at optimal RPMs? You also have to take into account that the transmission of mechanical energy from the engine to the tires in a traditional car also is not 100\% efficient, which complicates the comparison.</p><p>You can see that the situation is not as straightforward as might be imagined. There needs to be some careful design and planning to make sure that we really are getting more efficiency with a new car design, it can't be simply assumed that the new design will automatically be better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't see it being any less fuel efficient than a standard carOf course it could be less fuel efficient than a standard car .
The process of converting mechanical energy to electrical energy and back is n't 100 \ % efficient .
You have to take the mechanical energy of the engine , convert it to electrical energy , transmit it to the electric motors , and then the motors convert the electrical energy to mechanical energy .
All of those steps waste some of the energy.Now , are the inefficiencies of mechanical/electrical conversion compensated by the increased efficiency of a gasoline engine operating at optimal RPMs ?
You also have to take into account that the transmission of mechanical energy from the engine to the tires in a traditional car also is not 100 \ % efficient , which complicates the comparison.You can see that the situation is not as straightforward as might be imagined .
There needs to be some careful design and planning to make sure that we really are getting more efficiency with a new car design , it ca n't be simply assumed that the new design will automatically be better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't see it being any less fuel efficient than a standard carOf course it could be less fuel efficient than a standard car.
The process of converting mechanical energy to electrical energy and back isn't 100\% efficient.
You have to take the mechanical energy of the engine, convert it to electrical energy, transmit it to the electric motors, and then the motors convert the electrical energy to mechanical energy.
All of those steps waste some of the energy.Now, are the inefficiencies of mechanical/electrical conversion compensated by the increased efficiency of a gasoline engine operating at optimal RPMs?
You also have to take into account that the transmission of mechanical energy from the engine to the tires in a traditional car also is not 100\% efficient, which complicates the comparison.You can see that the situation is not as straightforward as might be imagined.
There needs to be some careful design and planning to make sure that we really are getting more efficiency with a new car design, it can't be simply assumed that the new design will automatically be better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736076</id>
	<title>Re:Mileage?</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1263306480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the dirty little secret. Just like how the Prius get's crappy gas mileage is you still drive it like a race track maniac.  I drove a friends Prius for 1 week, he freaked that I was able to get better than 45mpg out of it. He could not understand that dragracing from light to light and constantly mashing the pedal was idiot driving that negated his hybrid mileage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the dirty little secret .
Just like how the Prius get 's crappy gas mileage is you still drive it like a race track maniac .
I drove a friends Prius for 1 week , he freaked that I was able to get better than 45mpg out of it .
He could not understand that dragracing from light to light and constantly mashing the pedal was idiot driving that negated his hybrid mileage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the dirty little secret.
Just like how the Prius get's crappy gas mileage is you still drive it like a race track maniac.
I drove a friends Prius for 1 week, he freaked that I was able to get better than 45mpg out of it.
He could not understand that dragracing from light to light and constantly mashing the pedal was idiot driving that negated his hybrid mileage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735618</id>
	<title>To create the perfect image, shape fashion.</title>
	<author>COBB1986</author>
	<datestamp>1263302820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735590</id>
	<title>230 MPG... well maybe more like 50</title>
	<author>rodney dill</author>
	<datestamp>1263302340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32370233/ns/business-autos/" title="msn.com">It was not immediately clear how GM reached the 230 mpg in city driving, but industry officials estimated the automaker's calculation took into consideration the Volt traveling 40 miles on the electric battery and then achieving about 50 mpg when the engine kicked in.</a> [msn.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was not immediately clear how GM reached the 230 mpg in city driving , but industry officials estimated the automaker 's calculation took into consideration the Volt traveling 40 miles on the electric battery and then achieving about 50 mpg when the engine kicked in .
[ msn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was not immediately clear how GM reached the 230 mpg in city driving, but industry officials estimated the automaker's calculation took into consideration the Volt traveling 40 miles on the electric battery and then achieving about 50 mpg when the engine kicked in.
[msn.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736108</id>
	<title>Wall Street Journal</title>
	<author>sjonke</author>
	<datestamp>1263306660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This a truly revolutionary car in that it requires a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. If your subscription runs out, the car locks the steering wheel and you lose your market savvy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This a truly revolutionary car in that it requires a subscription to the Wall Street Journal .
If your subscription runs out , the car locks the steering wheel and you lose your market savvy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This a truly revolutionary car in that it requires a subscription to the Wall Street Journal.
If your subscription runs out, the car locks the steering wheel and you lose your market savvy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739398</id>
	<title>There is a possibility for synth gas as a stopgap</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1263319980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's theoretically possible to synthesize gas and diesel. One way, of course, is to synthesize gasoline from coal. Not an ideal solution, but if it came to a crisis in the U.S., we have enough coal to produce a lot of synth gas. Some people are exploring more environmentally friendly ways of synthesizing gas. There is a company,  <a href="http://www.dotyenergy.com/" title="dotyenergy.com">Dotyenergy</a> [dotyenergy.com], that claims they can use captured CO2, Water, and electricity to generate gas. Currently, they plan to use Wind power to generate it, but I see no reason why solar, oceanic, or nuclear sourced electricity couldn't be used instead, if it made sense (just use whatever's cheapest/most abundant at the time).</p><p>So, my point is, that we don't necessarily need to move away from gasoline (not sure if they can also use this process to make diesel), quickly - as petroleum supplies decline, we could potentially ramp up synthetic fuels (if the technology proves to be efficient/cost competitive). There's also, potentially, bio-mass fuels (although, currently, that doesn't appear to be playing out very well, but who knows, advances could be made in that tech too).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's theoretically possible to synthesize gas and diesel .
One way , of course , is to synthesize gasoline from coal .
Not an ideal solution , but if it came to a crisis in the U.S. , we have enough coal to produce a lot of synth gas .
Some people are exploring more environmentally friendly ways of synthesizing gas .
There is a company , Dotyenergy [ dotyenergy.com ] , that claims they can use captured CO2 , Water , and electricity to generate gas .
Currently , they plan to use Wind power to generate it , but I see no reason why solar , oceanic , or nuclear sourced electricity could n't be used instead , if it made sense ( just use whatever 's cheapest/most abundant at the time ) .So , my point is , that we do n't necessarily need to move away from gasoline ( not sure if they can also use this process to make diesel ) , quickly - as petroleum supplies decline , we could potentially ramp up synthetic fuels ( if the technology proves to be efficient/cost competitive ) .
There 's also , potentially , bio-mass fuels ( although , currently , that does n't appear to be playing out very well , but who knows , advances could be made in that tech too ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's theoretically possible to synthesize gas and diesel.
One way, of course, is to synthesize gasoline from coal.
Not an ideal solution, but if it came to a crisis in the U.S., we have enough coal to produce a lot of synth gas.
Some people are exploring more environmentally friendly ways of synthesizing gas.
There is a company,  Dotyenergy [dotyenergy.com], that claims they can use captured CO2, Water, and electricity to generate gas.
Currently, they plan to use Wind power to generate it, but I see no reason why solar, oceanic, or nuclear sourced electricity couldn't be used instead, if it made sense (just use whatever's cheapest/most abundant at the time).So, my point is, that we don't necessarily need to move away from gasoline (not sure if they can also use this process to make diesel), quickly - as petroleum supplies decline, we could potentially ramp up synthetic fuels (if the technology proves to be efficient/cost competitive).
There's also, potentially, bio-mass fuels (although, currently, that doesn't appear to be playing out very well, but who knows, advances could be made in that tech too).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735240</id>
	<title>WSJ subscription IS required</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263299040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Usually on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. it helps to be able to read articles in order to add some useful commentary.  One of the two articles is barely anything more than an advertisement for the Wall Street Journal, embedded into a slashdot story.  With all the focus here on things like open-source, accessibility, and a general love-in for ad-Block, I don't understand why we're being spammed with links to pay money and subscribe to an online newspaper.<br> <br>
Suffice it to say, my interest in the actual story has waned since it doesn't seem to be aimed at non-WSJ subscribers like myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually on / .
it helps to be able to read articles in order to add some useful commentary .
One of the two articles is barely anything more than an advertisement for the Wall Street Journal , embedded into a slashdot story .
With all the focus here on things like open-source , accessibility , and a general love-in for ad-Block , I do n't understand why we 're being spammed with links to pay money and subscribe to an online newspaper .
Suffice it to say , my interest in the actual story has waned since it does n't seem to be aimed at non-WSJ subscribers like myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usually on /.
it helps to be able to read articles in order to add some useful commentary.
One of the two articles is barely anything more than an advertisement for the Wall Street Journal, embedded into a slashdot story.
With all the focus here on things like open-source, accessibility, and a general love-in for ad-Block, I don't understand why we're being spammed with links to pay money and subscribe to an online newspaper.
Suffice it to say, my interest in the actual story has waned since it doesn't seem to be aimed at non-WSJ subscribers like myself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737302</id>
	<title>Electric range of 64 km in 2010? Is this a joke?</title>
	<author>Yvan256</author>
	<datestamp>1263312540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General\_Motors\_EV1" title="wikipedia.org">The General Motors EV1</a> [wikipedia.org], <strong>in 1996-1999</strong>, had a range 1.5 to nearly 4 times higher than that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The General Motors EV1 [ wikipedia.org ] , in 1996-1999 , had a range 1.5 to nearly 4 times higher than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The General Motors EV1 [wikipedia.org], in 1996-1999, had a range 1.5 to nearly 4 times higher than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739154</id>
	<title>It would be cheaper to pay for gas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263319140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  OK, lets assume this car will cost ~$35k or so.  Compared to a $16k Toyota Corolla you're spending about $19k more.  That $19k will buy 4700 gallons of gas at $4/gal., multiply by the 30 MPG of the Corolla and you get 140k miles you could drive on the price difference (or more than 10 years of driving on average).   This doesn't even include the gas you would need to put into the Volt or the fact that you could buy a perfectly fine 2-year-old Corolla for significantly less than $16k, or the fact that you could get a cheap car that gets significantly better than the Corolla's paltry 30 MPG, or that gas is will be a lot less than $4/gal at least for a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
OK , lets assume this car will cost ~ $ 35k or so .
Compared to a $ 16k Toyota Corolla you 're spending about $ 19k more .
That $ 19k will buy 4700 gallons of gas at $ 4/gal. , multiply by the 30 MPG of the Corolla and you get 140k miles you could drive on the price difference ( or more than 10 years of driving on average ) .
This does n't even include the gas you would need to put into the Volt or the fact that you could buy a perfectly fine 2-year-old Corolla for significantly less than $ 16k , or the fact that you could get a cheap car that gets significantly better than the Corolla 's paltry 30 MPG , or that gas is will be a lot less than $ 4/gal at least for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
OK, lets assume this car will cost ~$35k or so.
Compared to a $16k Toyota Corolla you're spending about $19k more.
That $19k will buy 4700 gallons of gas at $4/gal., multiply by the 30 MPG of the Corolla and you get 140k miles you could drive on the price difference (or more than 10 years of driving on average).
This doesn't even include the gas you would need to put into the Volt or the fact that you could buy a perfectly fine 2-year-old Corolla for significantly less than $16k, or the fact that you could get a cheap car that gets significantly better than the Corolla's paltry 30 MPG, or that gas is will be a lot less than $4/gal at least for a while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735348</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is THE car for the times...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263299940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We will never run out of petroleum. As long as we have a free market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We will never run out of petroleum .
As long as we have a free market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We will never run out of petroleum.
As long as we have a free market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735114</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>shadowknot</author>
	<datestamp>1263297480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well in that case it's working like a Diesel-Electric locomotive so it would be running at fairly constant revs when cruising and increased revs when pulling off or accelerating hard.  It is hard to say what kind of power requirements would be needed without the spec of the engine and electric motors but I can't see it being any less fuel efficient than a standard car but I could be wrong.  To be honest if you've gotten this far through my stream of consciousness ramblings then I applaud you.  I'm gonna go get a breath of fresh air I think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well in that case it 's working like a Diesel-Electric locomotive so it would be running at fairly constant revs when cruising and increased revs when pulling off or accelerating hard .
It is hard to say what kind of power requirements would be needed without the spec of the engine and electric motors but I ca n't see it being any less fuel efficient than a standard car but I could be wrong .
To be honest if you 've gotten this far through my stream of consciousness ramblings then I applaud you .
I 'm gon na go get a breath of fresh air I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well in that case it's working like a Diesel-Electric locomotive so it would be running at fairly constant revs when cruising and increased revs when pulling off or accelerating hard.
It is hard to say what kind of power requirements would be needed without the spec of the engine and electric motors but I can't see it being any less fuel efficient than a standard car but I could be wrong.
To be honest if you've gotten this far through my stream of consciousness ramblings then I applaud you.
I'm gonna go get a breath of fresh air I think.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735884</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>Calinous</author>
	<datestamp>1263305160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think those 40 miles are travelled with a 16 KWh battery pack - so, you should compare the cost of 16 kWh of electricity against about a gallon of gas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think those 40 miles are travelled with a 16 KWh battery pack - so , you should compare the cost of 16 kWh of electricity against about a gallon of gas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think those 40 miles are travelled with a 16 KWh battery pack - so, you should compare the cost of 16 kWh of electricity against about a gallon of gas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736822</id>
	<title>Re:Just 11 months to go?</title>
	<author>MikeBabcock</author>
	<datestamp>1263310680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Volt has been being advertised for years, you're a bit late if you think 11 months is far out.</p><p>11 months is practically tomorrow in manufacturing.  They have to tool everything, get parts orders and distribution in line, and make sure they've got the final distribution arranged as well.  In 11 months they want all those cars actually rolled off the assembly line, not waiting for someone to retool the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Volt has been being advertised for years , you 're a bit late if you think 11 months is far out.11 months is practically tomorrow in manufacturing .
They have to tool everything , get parts orders and distribution in line , and make sure they 've got the final distribution arranged as well .
In 11 months they want all those cars actually rolled off the assembly line , not waiting for someone to retool the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Volt has been being advertised for years, you're a bit late if you think 11 months is far out.11 months is practically tomorrow in manufacturing.
They have to tool everything, get parts orders and distribution in line, and make sure they've got the final distribution arranged as well.
In 11 months they want all those cars actually rolled off the assembly line, not waiting for someone to retool the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736098</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is THE car for the times...</title>
	<author>jjo</author>
	<datestamp>1263306600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>P.S. I'm surprised at the number of articles that are so impressed that the engine isn't connected to the drive wheels.  This is how locomotives have worked for decades, albeit for different reasons.</p></div><p>
I haven't seen many locomotives on the highway, have you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>P.S .
I 'm surprised at the number of articles that are so impressed that the engine is n't connected to the drive wheels .
This is how locomotives have worked for decades , albeit for different reasons .
I have n't seen many locomotives on the highway , have you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>P.S.
I'm surprised at the number of articles that are so impressed that the engine isn't connected to the drive wheels.
This is how locomotives have worked for decades, albeit for different reasons.
I haven't seen many locomotives on the highway, have you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735544</id>
	<title>The problem is the price vs the prius.</title>
	<author>majortom1981</author>
	<datestamp>1263301920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is its price. Its more then the prius . Yes that will matter. Why get a volt when i can get a prius and an insight for the same price? BY when the volt comes out toyota might have the iq hybrid out also . The volts price will be the real problem. Also the fact that you wont break even when it comes to gas milage and money saving since the car is so expensive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is its price .
Its more then the prius .
Yes that will matter .
Why get a volt when i can get a prius and an insight for the same price ?
BY when the volt comes out toyota might have the iq hybrid out also .
The volts price will be the real problem .
Also the fact that you wont break even when it comes to gas milage and money saving since the car is so expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is its price.
Its more then the prius .
Yes that will matter.
Why get a volt when i can get a prius and an insight for the same price?
BY when the volt comes out toyota might have the iq hybrid out also .
The volts price will be the real problem.
Also the fact that you wont break even when it comes to gas milage and money saving since the car is so expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735262</id>
	<title>m2od dowN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263299220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>by the politickers minutes now while disgu5t, or been told reporters, ago, many of you fastest-growing GAY</htmltext>
<tokenext>by the politickers minutes now while disgu5t , or been told reporters , ago , many of you fastest-growing GAY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by the politickers minutes now while disgu5t, or been told reporters, ago, many of you fastest-growing GAY</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736466</id>
	<title>50 MPG, acording to GM</title>
	<author>jjo</author>
	<datestamp>1263309060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>GM <a href="http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs" title="gm-volt.com">answers</a> [gm-volt.com] this question:<p><div class="quote"><p>Q: How many miles per gallon will the Chevy Volt get?</p><p>A: A bit of a trick question. For the first 40 miles it will get infinite mpg, because no gas will be burned. When the generator starts, the car will get an equivalent of up to 50 mpg thereafter. One can calculate the average mpg per for any length drive starting with a full battery: Total MPG = 50xM/(M-40).</p></div><p>If GM is right, then the gasoline-only energy efficiency is not bad at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>GM answers [ gm-volt.com ] this question : Q : How many miles per gallon will the Chevy Volt get ? A : A bit of a trick question .
For the first 40 miles it will get infinite mpg , because no gas will be burned .
When the generator starts , the car will get an equivalent of up to 50 mpg thereafter .
One can calculate the average mpg per for any length drive starting with a full battery : Total MPG = 50xM/ ( M-40 ) .If GM is right , then the gasoline-only energy efficiency is not bad at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM answers [gm-volt.com] this question:Q: How many miles per gallon will the Chevy Volt get?A: A bit of a trick question.
For the first 40 miles it will get infinite mpg, because no gas will be burned.
When the generator starts, the car will get an equivalent of up to 50 mpg thereafter.
One can calculate the average mpg per for any length drive starting with a full battery: Total MPG = 50xM/(M-40).If GM is right, then the gasoline-only energy efficiency is not bad at all.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30741676</id>
	<title>Re:Battery should be cheaper</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1263328740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Batteries are to *an engine* as coal is to oil.  Get your analogy straight.<br>2) You don't "dig lithium out of the ground".  Lithium is produced from playas and salars.  You pump brine from just below the surface into evaporation ponds on the surface, and use selective crystalization to isolate the lithium salts from the other salts.<br>3) Lithium is cheap ($4-8/kg in LiCoO2 form), and not a huge percent of the weight of li-ion batteries.<br>4) The main price aspect to building automotive style li-ions is capital costs, not raw materials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Batteries are to * an engine * as coal is to oil .
Get your analogy straight.2 ) You do n't " dig lithium out of the ground " .
Lithium is produced from playas and salars .
You pump brine from just below the surface into evaporation ponds on the surface , and use selective crystalization to isolate the lithium salts from the other salts.3 ) Lithium is cheap ( $ 4-8/kg in LiCoO2 form ) , and not a huge percent of the weight of li-ion batteries.4 ) The main price aspect to building automotive style li-ions is capital costs , not raw materials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Batteries are to *an engine* as coal is to oil.
Get your analogy straight.2) You don't "dig lithium out of the ground".
Lithium is produced from playas and salars.
You pump brine from just below the surface into evaporation ponds on the surface, and use selective crystalization to isolate the lithium salts from the other salts.3) Lithium is cheap ($4-8/kg in LiCoO2 form), and not a huge percent of the weight of li-ion batteries.4) The main price aspect to building automotive style li-ions is capital costs, not raw materials.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739530</id>
	<title>I haven't seen an answer.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much electricity does it take to fully charge the batteries? Is your electricity cost going to offset the 6 or 7 dollars worth of gasoline you'll save going 40 miles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much electricity does it take to fully charge the batteries ?
Is your electricity cost going to offset the 6 or 7 dollars worth of gasoline you 'll save going 40 miles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much electricity does it take to fully charge the batteries?
Is your electricity cost going to offset the 6 or 7 dollars worth of gasoline you'll save going 40 miles?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739544</id>
	<title>I'm underwhelmed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263320520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You can go about 300 miles before you need to recharge battery or refill the tank.</i> My Civic hybrid, when new, would go 600 miles on a tank while getting just under 50 (mostly highway) mpg . While I believe plug-in hybrids are the best way to go, I'd still like to see mpg figures for the Volt that don't include the 40 mile battery precharge. With a 300 mile range, either this thing has a tiny tank, or it's actual fuel economy sucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can go about 300 miles before you need to recharge battery or refill the tank .
My Civic hybrid , when new , would go 600 miles on a tank while getting just under 50 ( mostly highway ) mpg .
While I believe plug-in hybrids are the best way to go , I 'd still like to see mpg figures for the Volt that do n't include the 40 mile battery precharge .
With a 300 mile range , either this thing has a tiny tank , or it 's actual fuel economy sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can go about 300 miles before you need to recharge battery or refill the tank.
My Civic hybrid, when new, would go 600 miles on a tank while getting just under 50 (mostly highway) mpg .
While I believe plug-in hybrids are the best way to go, I'd still like to see mpg figures for the Volt that don't include the 40 mile battery precharge.
With a 300 mile range, either this thing has a tiny tank, or it's actual fuel economy sucks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736242</id>
	<title>Re:Ok, but what about costs?</title>
	<author>Algan</author>
	<datestamp>1263307440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on your local gas and electricity prices. Where I live (central NJ), gas tends to be cheaper than average, while electricity is more expensive. Last time I did the math, the Chevy Volt was pretty much a wash - wether you run it on grid power or gas, you get pretty much the same miles per $$. That was at a specific point in time, a few months ago.  Things will be wildly different at other times and other locales. And this does not take into account the environmental benefits of running on electricity.</p><p>I'm wondering, will miles per buck be the new way of measuring efficiency?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on your local gas and electricity prices .
Where I live ( central NJ ) , gas tends to be cheaper than average , while electricity is more expensive .
Last time I did the math , the Chevy Volt was pretty much a wash - wether you run it on grid power or gas , you get pretty much the same miles per $ $ .
That was at a specific point in time , a few months ago .
Things will be wildly different at other times and other locales .
And this does not take into account the environmental benefits of running on electricity.I 'm wondering , will miles per buck be the new way of measuring efficiency ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on your local gas and electricity prices.
Where I live (central NJ), gas tends to be cheaper than average, while electricity is more expensive.
Last time I did the math, the Chevy Volt was pretty much a wash - wether you run it on grid power or gas, you get pretty much the same miles per $$.
That was at a specific point in time, a few months ago.
Things will be wildly different at other times and other locales.
And this does not take into account the environmental benefits of running on electricity.I'm wondering, will miles per buck be the new way of measuring efficiency?
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30738980</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is NOT the car for the times...</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1263318660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The volt isn't the car for the times.  Its a half ass electric and a half ass economy car.<br>
<br>
How often do you do "long haul" trips?  How many of those "long haul" trips are over 300 miles?  I drive 600 miles to my parents house several times a year, and I could do that driving a Model S with a little planning. Leave in the afternoon, stop for the night or just dinner (fully charges in an hour) and then drive the rest of the way after a meal or after spending the night.  You just need to plan your trip a little better.<br>
<br>
I'm still waiting for my Model S, but in the mean time I'm driving a 2009 Corolla.  The car cost ~$18,000 and gets 35 MPG, my shifting habits decrease that to 32MPG for me; still if cost is any part of the equation the Corolla or Civic are much better cars.  Over the lifetime of the car they will cost the owner less than Volt.  You can buy a lot of gas for $15,000; you can almost buy a second Corolla/Civic.<br>
<br>
To answer your question about the "long haul" the solution is actually the hybrid garage.  I'll have my Model S for my daily commute which is 98\% of my driving, then for those long trips and vacations I have a Sequoia.  If you don't have a second car you can always rent a car for long trips, but the majority of drivers use their car just to commute to work.  All of those cars should be pure electric.<br>
<br>
Anyway I'm a hybrid hater, if you want people to adopt the new technology how about making it better than what we have now.  Either increase the performance of the car or decrease the cost.  The new hybrid cars aren't cost efficient and have reduced performance compared to either a pure electric or a pure combustion engine.  I can't think of a single reason to buy a hybrid over Corolla or Civic, a difference of 5-15 MPG with a cost difference of $10,000 doesn't add up to the amount of money you'll save in fuel over the life of the car.  Especially if you don't pay cash and are paying interest on the car!  It doesn't make financial sense.  It doesn't make performance sense.  The entire hybrid fad doesn't make sense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The volt is n't the car for the times .
Its a half ass electric and a half ass economy car .
How often do you do " long haul " trips ?
How many of those " long haul " trips are over 300 miles ?
I drive 600 miles to my parents house several times a year , and I could do that driving a Model S with a little planning .
Leave in the afternoon , stop for the night or just dinner ( fully charges in an hour ) and then drive the rest of the way after a meal or after spending the night .
You just need to plan your trip a little better .
I 'm still waiting for my Model S , but in the mean time I 'm driving a 2009 Corolla .
The car cost ~ $ 18,000 and gets 35 MPG , my shifting habits decrease that to 32MPG for me ; still if cost is any part of the equation the Corolla or Civic are much better cars .
Over the lifetime of the car they will cost the owner less than Volt .
You can buy a lot of gas for $ 15,000 ; you can almost buy a second Corolla/Civic .
To answer your question about the " long haul " the solution is actually the hybrid garage .
I 'll have my Model S for my daily commute which is 98 \ % of my driving , then for those long trips and vacations I have a Sequoia .
If you do n't have a second car you can always rent a car for long trips , but the majority of drivers use their car just to commute to work .
All of those cars should be pure electric .
Anyway I 'm a hybrid hater , if you want people to adopt the new technology how about making it better than what we have now .
Either increase the performance of the car or decrease the cost .
The new hybrid cars are n't cost efficient and have reduced performance compared to either a pure electric or a pure combustion engine .
I ca n't think of a single reason to buy a hybrid over Corolla or Civic , a difference of 5-15 MPG with a cost difference of $ 10,000 does n't add up to the amount of money you 'll save in fuel over the life of the car .
Especially if you do n't pay cash and are paying interest on the car !
It does n't make financial sense .
It does n't make performance sense .
The entire hybrid fad does n't make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The volt isn't the car for the times.
Its a half ass electric and a half ass economy car.
How often do you do "long haul" trips?
How many of those "long haul" trips are over 300 miles?
I drive 600 miles to my parents house several times a year, and I could do that driving a Model S with a little planning.
Leave in the afternoon, stop for the night or just dinner (fully charges in an hour) and then drive the rest of the way after a meal or after spending the night.
You just need to plan your trip a little better.
I'm still waiting for my Model S, but in the mean time I'm driving a 2009 Corolla.
The car cost ~$18,000 and gets 35 MPG, my shifting habits decrease that to 32MPG for me; still if cost is any part of the equation the Corolla or Civic are much better cars.
Over the lifetime of the car they will cost the owner less than Volt.
You can buy a lot of gas for $15,000; you can almost buy a second Corolla/Civic.
To answer your question about the "long haul" the solution is actually the hybrid garage.
I'll have my Model S for my daily commute which is 98\% of my driving, then for those long trips and vacations I have a Sequoia.
If you don't have a second car you can always rent a car for long trips, but the majority of drivers use their car just to commute to work.
All of those cars should be pure electric.
Anyway I'm a hybrid hater, if you want people to adopt the new technology how about making it better than what we have now.
Either increase the performance of the car or decrease the cost.
The new hybrid cars aren't cost efficient and have reduced performance compared to either a pure electric or a pure combustion engine.
I can't think of a single reason to buy a hybrid over Corolla or Civic, a difference of 5-15 MPG with a cost difference of $10,000 doesn't add up to the amount of money you'll save in fuel over the life of the car.
Especially if you don't pay cash and are paying interest on the car!
It doesn't make financial sense.
It doesn't make performance sense.
The entire hybrid fad doesn't make sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30743288</id>
	<title>Re:The Volt is THE car for the times...</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1263293580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are the G-force loads for a 45mph offset crash in that thing? I'm not saying it would be impossible to build a light, cheap, safe car, it's just a hard problem. They make big claims but I'll believe it when I see IIHS raw data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are the G-force loads for a 45mph offset crash in that thing ?
I 'm not saying it would be impossible to build a light , cheap , safe car , it 's just a hard problem .
They make big claims but I 'll believe it when I see IIHS raw data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are the G-force loads for a 45mph offset crash in that thing?
I'm not saying it would be impossible to build a light, cheap, safe car, it's just a hard problem.
They make big claims but I'll believe it when I see IIHS raw data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30738056</id>
	<title>Re:Battery should be cheaper</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1263315540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to digging things like Lithium out of the ground, refining that ore, shipping the refined ore to manufacturers to be assembled into batteries, and then shipping those batteries to a the car manufacturer?</p><p>Why should batteries be cheaper again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to digging things like Lithium out of the ground , refining that ore , shipping the refined ore to manufacturers to be assembled into batteries , and then shipping those batteries to a the car manufacturer ? Why should batteries be cheaper again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to digging things like Lithium out of the ground, refining that ore, shipping the refined ore to manufacturers to be assembled into batteries, and then shipping those batteries to a the car manufacturer?Why should batteries be cheaper again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30740214</id>
	<title>Given that it's a Chevy...</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1263323040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd be more concerned about what happens when it passes it's 30,000 milage limit rather than when it passes it's 40 mi charge limit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be more concerned about what happens when it passes it 's 30,000 milage limit rather than when it passes it 's 40 mi charge limit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be more concerned about what happens when it passes it's 30,000 milage limit rather than when it passes it's 40 mi charge limit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30741250</id>
	<title>Re:Stale Gasoline?</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1263327060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How do they plan to solve the stale gasoline issue when everyone uses 100\% electric for months at a time? You know, gas does go bad after about 6 weeks.</i></p><p>The generator is programmed to use up the gasoline fast enough so that it won't go stale even if it's not necessary to get you to your destination.  The energy isn't wasted, mind you -- it goes into the batteries, meaning you have to charge less.  Last I heard, the generator was also programmed to come on enough in the winter to provide heat for the cabin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do they plan to solve the stale gasoline issue when everyone uses 100 \ % electric for months at a time ?
You know , gas does go bad after about 6 weeks.The generator is programmed to use up the gasoline fast enough so that it wo n't go stale even if it 's not necessary to get you to your destination .
The energy is n't wasted , mind you -- it goes into the batteries , meaning you have to charge less .
Last I heard , the generator was also programmed to come on enough in the winter to provide heat for the cabin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do they plan to solve the stale gasoline issue when everyone uses 100\% electric for months at a time?
You know, gas does go bad after about 6 weeks.The generator is programmed to use up the gasoline fast enough so that it won't go stale even if it's not necessary to get you to your destination.
The energy isn't wasted, mind you -- it goes into the batteries, meaning you have to charge less.
Last I heard, the generator was also programmed to come on enough in the winter to provide heat for the cabin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735624</id>
	<title>More Like An Ad</title>
	<author>RABarnes</author>
	<datestamp>1263302820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The CNN story is more like an ad than a fact-based article.  A few more facts would be helpful - as presented the car is not that impressive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The CNN story is more like an ad than a fact-based article .
A few more facts would be helpful - as presented the car is not that impressive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CNN story is more like an ad than a fact-based article.
A few more facts would be helpful - as presented the car is not that impressive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737492</id>
	<title>Fundamental problem with cheap electric cars</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1263313320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, even if gasoline-electric or all-electric cars were available, very few people in cities could charge them.  Not everyone has a private driveway.  I rely on street parking, and sometimes I must park a block away (farther in snowy weather).  Even if I had a spot in front of my house, I can't run an electric cord across the sidewalk to my car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , even if gasoline-electric or all-electric cars were available , very few people in cities could charge them .
Not everyone has a private driveway .
I rely on street parking , and sometimes I must park a block away ( farther in snowy weather ) .
Even if I had a spot in front of my house , I ca n't run an electric cord across the sidewalk to my car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, even if gasoline-electric or all-electric cars were available, very few people in cities could charge them.
Not everyone has a private driveway.
I rely on street parking, and sometimes I must park a block away (farther in snowy weather).
Even if I had a spot in front of my house, I can't run an electric cord across the sidewalk to my car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735126</id>
	<title>Just 11 months to go?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1263297600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... and with just 11 months to go before this car hits the market, I got the answer.</p></div><p>Since when is 11 months a short time until the release of a product? It shouldn't even be being discussed this far out. If it was maybe a month or two until the release, some anticipatory articles would be fine. But this just smells of more bullshit hype or "viral marketing" for the Volt, which has already had previous premature media campaigns.</p><p>If you're going to release a product, just release it! Don't crap on about what you plan to release one day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... and with just 11 months to go before this car hits the market , I got the answer.Since when is 11 months a short time until the release of a product ?
It should n't even be being discussed this far out .
If it was maybe a month or two until the release , some anticipatory articles would be fine .
But this just smells of more bullshit hype or " viral marketing " for the Volt , which has already had previous premature media campaigns.If you 're going to release a product , just release it !
Do n't crap on about what you plan to release one day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... and with just 11 months to go before this car hits the market, I got the answer.Since when is 11 months a short time until the release of a product?
It shouldn't even be being discussed this far out.
If it was maybe a month or two until the release, some anticipatory articles would be fine.
But this just smells of more bullshit hype or "viral marketing" for the Volt, which has already had previous premature media campaigns.If you're going to release a product, just release it!
Don't crap on about what you plan to release one day.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30737622</id>
	<title>Inaccurate statement about transmissions</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1263313860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The biggest difference between a gas-power versus an electric-power car is that there's no transmission. Electric motors don't need gears or gear shifts.</p></div><p>While the Volt may not have a transmission in the same sense that most gasoline vehicles do, it is not correct to say that "electric motors don't need gears or gear shifts."  The author of the article seems to be confusing three terms: gear, gear shift, and transmission.  They are 3 different things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : The biggest difference between a gas-power versus an electric-power car is that there 's no transmission .
Electric motors do n't need gears or gear shifts.While the Volt may not have a transmission in the same sense that most gasoline vehicles do , it is not correct to say that " electric motors do n't need gears or gear shifts .
" The author of the article seems to be confusing three terms : gear , gear shift , and transmission .
They are 3 different things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:The biggest difference between a gas-power versus an electric-power car is that there's no transmission.
Electric motors don't need gears or gear shifts.While the Volt may not have a transmission in the same sense that most gasoline vehicles do, it is not correct to say that "electric motors don't need gears or gear shifts.
"  The author of the article seems to be confusing three terms: gear, gear shift, and transmission.
They are 3 different things.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735518</id>
	<title>Read article without subscribing</title>
	<author>amaiman</author>
	<datestamp>1263301560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can read the full WSJ article without subscribing by using the "Email" link at the bottom of the preview.  The link you'll get in your mailbox will lead to the full article (this works for all WSJ "subscriber only" articles.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can read the full WSJ article without subscribing by using the " Email " link at the bottom of the preview .
The link you 'll get in your mailbox will lead to the full article ( this works for all WSJ " subscriber only " articles .
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30735200</id>
	<title>I'd rather have more batteries</title>
	<author>bgarcia</author>
	<datestamp>1263298500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the benefits of electric cars will be maintenance.  There's basically one big moving part - the electric motor.  The volt punts that advantage away by including an internal combustion engine.  This is the type of compromise that should have saved a lot of money (using a cheap ICE to extend range instead of adding even more expensive batteries), yet the Volt is expected to cost a lot more than the all-electric Nissan Leaf.  Plus I'd still have to deal with oil changes &amp; the occasional trip to the gas station (you'll have to run that motor now &amp; then just to keep seals from drying out and the gasoline from gelling in the tank).
<p>
It'll be interesting to see if this compromise pays off for Chevy.  I'm betting that the Leaf will end up being more successful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the benefits of electric cars will be maintenance .
There 's basically one big moving part - the electric motor .
The volt punts that advantage away by including an internal combustion engine .
This is the type of compromise that should have saved a lot of money ( using a cheap ICE to extend range instead of adding even more expensive batteries ) , yet the Volt is expected to cost a lot more than the all-electric Nissan Leaf .
Plus I 'd still have to deal with oil changes &amp; the occasional trip to the gas station ( you 'll have to run that motor now &amp; then just to keep seals from drying out and the gasoline from gelling in the tank ) .
It 'll be interesting to see if this compromise pays off for Chevy .
I 'm betting that the Leaf will end up being more successful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the benefits of electric cars will be maintenance.
There's basically one big moving part - the electric motor.
The volt punts that advantage away by including an internal combustion engine.
This is the type of compromise that should have saved a lot of money (using a cheap ICE to extend range instead of adding even more expensive batteries), yet the Volt is expected to cost a lot more than the all-electric Nissan Leaf.
Plus I'd still have to deal with oil changes &amp; the occasional trip to the gas station (you'll have to run that motor now &amp; then just to keep seals from drying out and the gasoline from gelling in the tank).
It'll be interesting to see if this compromise pays off for Chevy.
I'm betting that the Leaf will end up being more successful.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30739920</id>
	<title>Translation.....</title>
	<author>assertation</author>
	<datestamp>1263321960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Translation:  The Volt will really be out in 2011 and will sell for $39,999.98.</p><p>What a disappointment, I was looking forward to it coming out *this* year as in the next few months.   Oh well, it would likely be out of my price range and I wouldn't be keen about GM using my money as a first adopter to work the bugs out of car running on new technology.</p><p>I got get a new car within the next few months.  I guess I will hang onto that until the new technology cars are well supported and cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Translation : The Volt will really be out in 2011 and will sell for $ 39,999.98.What a disappointment , I was looking forward to it coming out * this * year as in the next few months .
Oh well , it would likely be out of my price range and I would n't be keen about GM using my money as a first adopter to work the bugs out of car running on new technology.I got get a new car within the next few months .
I guess I will hang onto that until the new technology cars are well supported and cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Translation:  The Volt will really be out in 2011 and will sell for $39,999.98.What a disappointment, I was looking forward to it coming out *this* year as in the next few months.
Oh well, it would likely be out of my price range and I wouldn't be keen about GM using my money as a first adopter to work the bugs out of car running on new technology.I got get a new car within the next few months.
I guess I will hang onto that until the new technology cars are well supported and cheap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736008</id>
	<title>Re:Qualitative journalism</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1263306120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Car and Driver ceased to be relevant in the auto world years ago.  They turned into a useless magazine back when all the great Computer magazines decided that catering to the idiot was more profitable than the people that had any knowledge.  Just look at the magazine piles at better garages,  you wont find Car and Driver there anymore.  HotRod, and others that actually have real tech and real info are the choice now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Car and Driver ceased to be relevant in the auto world years ago .
They turned into a useless magazine back when all the great Computer magazines decided that catering to the idiot was more profitable than the people that had any knowledge .
Just look at the magazine piles at better garages , you wont find Car and Driver there anymore .
HotRod , and others that actually have real tech and real info are the choice now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car and Driver ceased to be relevant in the auto world years ago.
They turned into a useless magazine back when all the great Computer magazines decided that catering to the idiot was more profitable than the people that had any knowledge.
Just look at the magazine piles at better garages,  you wont find Car and Driver there anymore.
HotRod, and others that actually have real tech and real info are the choice now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_11_231205.30736568</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1263309480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need a 120hp generator. As the article says, the generator kicks in while there's still some charge remaining in the battery. If you need a boost, which the generator can't provide, the battery supplements it. At normal speeds the generator provides enough power to turn the motors and charge the battery slowly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need a 120hp generator .
As the article says , the generator kicks in while there 's still some charge remaining in the battery .
If you need a boost , which the generator ca n't provide , the battery supplements it .
At normal speeds the generator provides enough power to turn the motors and charge the battery slowly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need a 120hp generator.
As the article says, the generator kicks in while there's still some charge remaining in the battery.
If you need a boost, which the generator can't provide, the battery supplements it.
At normal speeds the generator provides enough power to turn the motors and charge the battery slowly.</sentencetext>
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