<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_10_1236208</id>
	<title>The FBI Wants To Know About Your IT Skills</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263132540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>AHuxley writes <i>"The FBI, via the Office of Management and Budget, would like to find out more about <a href="http://cryptome.org/0001/fbi010810.htm">your information technology expertise</a> if you are part of <a href="http://www.infragard.net/about.php?mn=1&amp;sm=1-0">InfraGard</a>. Terms like 'practical utility' have been included in a 60-day emergency notice of information collection via the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995. Is your boss or cubicle colleague part of InfraGard? It's a private, non-profit organization run as a public-private partnership with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Are they passing info back about you or your company?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>AHuxley writes " The FBI , via the Office of Management and Budget , would like to find out more about your information technology expertise if you are part of InfraGard .
Terms like 'practical utility ' have been included in a 60-day emergency notice of information collection via the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995 .
Is your boss or cubicle colleague part of InfraGard ?
It 's a private , non-profit organization run as a public-private partnership with the Federal Bureau of Investigation .
Are they passing info back about you or your company ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AHuxley writes "The FBI, via the Office of Management and Budget, would like to find out more about your information technology expertise if you are part of InfraGard.
Terms like 'practical utility' have been included in a 60-day emergency notice of information collection via the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995.
Is your boss or cubicle colleague part of InfraGard?
It's a private, non-profit organization run as a public-private partnership with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Are they passing info back about you or your company?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30719118</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1263135240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think of all of those people who were never qualified to become a cop or some type of covert agent. They can sign up for Infragard and live out their fantasies.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think of all of those people who were never qualified to become a cop or some type of covert agent .
They can sign up for Infragard and live out their fantasies.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think of all of those people who were never qualified to become a cop or some type of covert agent.
They can sign up for Infragard and live out their fantasies.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715338</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263148260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked as a two member defense contractor, an FBI rep spoke to us about joining infraguard in order to help protect the few government secrets we had. It was marketed as being a place we could go for intrusion prevention and detection advice from friends in the industry. Mainly the FBI wanted to know if we were ever compromised.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked as a two member defense contractor , an FBI rep spoke to us about joining infraguard in order to help protect the few government secrets we had .
It was marketed as being a place we could go for intrusion prevention and detection advice from friends in the industry .
Mainly the FBI wanted to know if we were ever compromised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked as a two member defense contractor, an FBI rep spoke to us about joining infraguard in order to help protect the few government secrets we had.
It was marketed as being a place we could go for intrusion prevention and detection advice from friends in the industry.
Mainly the FBI wanted to know if we were ever compromised.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714420</id>
	<title>Funny stuff</title>
	<author>oh2</author>
	<datestamp>1263138000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lol, "Self-identified as IT specialists" indeed. Thats one funny document. What would they need that kind of information for ? To evaluate bragging rights ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol , " Self-identified as IT specialists " indeed .
Thats one funny document .
What would they need that kind of information for ?
To evaluate bragging rights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol, "Self-identified as IT specialists" indeed.
Thats one funny document.
What would they need that kind of information for ?
To evaluate bragging rights ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714998</id>
	<title>Re:Am I missing something?</title>
	<author>Tellarin</author>
	<datestamp>1263144780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the little info that is available, the problem seems to be exactly the direct affiliation with the FBI.</p><p>ACM is just a professional organization, and they'd like to know the profiles of their members. ACM doesn't have other goals but tho help their members (at least officially).<br>The same applies to IEEE and others.</p><p>In this case, an external entity (the FBI) is asking for this info from members of another entity, which does not specify clearly their purpose or the nature of their relationship with the FBI.<br>It is only natural for people to think this is weird.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the little info that is available , the problem seems to be exactly the direct affiliation with the FBI.ACM is just a professional organization , and they 'd like to know the profiles of their members .
ACM does n't have other goals but tho help their members ( at least officially ) .The same applies to IEEE and others.In this case , an external entity ( the FBI ) is asking for this info from members of another entity , which does not specify clearly their purpose or the nature of their relationship with the FBI.It is only natural for people to think this is weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the little info that is available, the problem seems to be exactly the direct affiliation with the FBI.ACM is just a professional organization, and they'd like to know the profiles of their members.
ACM doesn't have other goals but tho help their members (at least officially).The same applies to IEEE and others.In this case, an external entity (the FBI) is asking for this info from members of another entity, which does not specify clearly their purpose or the nature of their relationship with the FBI.It is only natural for people to think this is weird.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714650</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30718006</id>
	<title>Re:Am I missing something?</title>
	<author>tachyonflow</author>
	<datestamp>1263124920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Yeah, from what I can tell, this is a completely benign move to make a public-private partnership operate more effectively, and doesn't affect anyone except the volunteers.
I'm as suspicious of the government as any of us, and I can see how the wording leads some people to think "Oh noes!  Nightwatch!".  If the FBI started asking InfraGard members to inform on their co-workers or used InfraGard to establish some sort of hiring favoritism, then we'd have reason to be worried.  People working together to achieve a common goal is nothing to worry about, though.  Let's save our energy for when the government is actually screwing us.
</p><p>
The problem is, with all the bureaucracy and legal requirements for proposing such information collection, it's hard for these government types to not come across as sounding vaguely sinister.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , from what I can tell , this is a completely benign move to make a public-private partnership operate more effectively , and does n't affect anyone except the volunteers .
I 'm as suspicious of the government as any of us , and I can see how the wording leads some people to think " Oh noes !
Nightwatch ! " . If the FBI started asking InfraGard members to inform on their co-workers or used InfraGard to establish some sort of hiring favoritism , then we 'd have reason to be worried .
People working together to achieve a common goal is nothing to worry about , though .
Let 's save our energy for when the government is actually screwing us .
The problem is , with all the bureaucracy and legal requirements for proposing such information collection , it 's hard for these government types to not come across as sounding vaguely sinister .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Yeah, from what I can tell, this is a completely benign move to make a public-private partnership operate more effectively, and doesn't affect anyone except the volunteers.
I'm as suspicious of the government as any of us, and I can see how the wording leads some people to think "Oh noes!
Nightwatch!".  If the FBI started asking InfraGard members to inform on their co-workers or used InfraGard to establish some sort of hiring favoritism, then we'd have reason to be worried.
People working together to achieve a common goal is nothing to worry about, though.
Let's save our energy for when the government is actually screwing us.
The problem is, with all the bureaucracy and legal requirements for proposing such information collection, it's hard for these government types to not come across as sounding vaguely sinister.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714650</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30721106</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Ozlanthos</author>
	<datestamp>1263206520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The part I don't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start "sharing information" about others in the first place.
<br>
<br>
The parking! Infra-gard members have the benefit of being able to park in any "handicapped" space without displaying a placard!
<br>
<br>
-Oz</htmltext>
<tokenext>The part I do n't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start " sharing information " about others in the first place .
The parking !
Infra-gard members have the benefit of being able to park in any " handicapped " space without displaying a placard !
-Oz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part I don't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start "sharing information" about others in the first place.
The parking!
Infra-gard members have the benefit of being able to park in any "handicapped" space without displaying a placard!
-Oz</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714416</id>
	<title>GeekSquad for the FBI?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263138000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read this as having each field office have local contacts, kind of like a GeekSquad, that they can call on in case they need certain skills in a particular region.  I don't see any domestic surveillance embedded in what's online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read this as having each field office have local contacts , kind of like a GeekSquad , that they can call on in case they need certain skills in a particular region .
I do n't see any domestic surveillance embedded in what 's online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read this as having each field office have local contacts, kind of like a GeekSquad, that they can call on in case they need certain skills in a particular region.
I don't see any domestic surveillance embedded in what's online.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714366</id>
	<title>Who do we contact?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263136860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who do we contact in the InfraGuard if we find someone deploying Microsoft products on a LAN connected to the Internet?  Jokers like that are costing the country billions of dollars in lost productivity each quarter.  This InfraGuard is very much needed if it will help clear out the posers, cocksuckas and charlatans pretending to know something about IT while actually deploying Microsoft instead of IT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who do we contact in the InfraGuard if we find someone deploying Microsoft products on a LAN connected to the Internet ?
Jokers like that are costing the country billions of dollars in lost productivity each quarter .
This InfraGuard is very much needed if it will help clear out the posers , cocksuckas and charlatans pretending to know something about IT while actually deploying Microsoft instead of IT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who do we contact in the InfraGuard if we find someone deploying Microsoft products on a LAN connected to the Internet?
Jokers like that are costing the country billions of dollars in lost productivity each quarter.
This InfraGuard is very much needed if it will help clear out the posers, cocksuckas and charlatans pretending to know something about IT while actually deploying Microsoft instead of IT.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30720292</id>
	<title>Back To Reality</title>
	<author>Cathbard</author>
	<datestamp>1263150360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Be a government informer<p>Betray your family and friends</p><p>Fabulous prizes to be won</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be a government informerBetray your family and friendsFabulous prizes to be won</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be a government informerBetray your family and friendsFabulous prizes to be won</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30716496</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263114360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In principle, Infragard is a wonderful conduit for some companies that play a key role in our national infrastructure to have a "hot line" to the FBI / DHS in the event the company is targeted by criminals.  My involvement in Infragard has allowed me to share my knowledge and expertise in deciphering evidence in federal cases while also allowing me to pull FBI resources into the private sector to assist with investigations - from port-scanning to internal employees involved with child porn.  I consider the Infragard program to be valuable.  Chances are good that there is a local Infragard chapter near you - check them out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In principle , Infragard is a wonderful conduit for some companies that play a key role in our national infrastructure to have a " hot line " to the FBI / DHS in the event the company is targeted by criminals .
My involvement in Infragard has allowed me to share my knowledge and expertise in deciphering evidence in federal cases while also allowing me to pull FBI resources into the private sector to assist with investigations - from port-scanning to internal employees involved with child porn .
I consider the Infragard program to be valuable .
Chances are good that there is a local Infragard chapter near you - check them out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In principle, Infragard is a wonderful conduit for some companies that play a key role in our national infrastructure to have a "hot line" to the FBI / DHS in the event the company is targeted by criminals.
My involvement in Infragard has allowed me to share my knowledge and expertise in deciphering evidence in federal cases while also allowing me to pull FBI resources into the private sector to assist with investigations - from port-scanning to internal employees involved with child porn.
I consider the Infragard program to be valuable.
Chances are good that there is a local Infragard chapter near you - check them out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714524</id>
	<title>Re:missing tags</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263139500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bigbrother, snoop, and even Stasi perhaps but KGB, Gestapo?  No, as tempting as it may be, the FBI is not rounding up all IT people and sending them to the showers....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bigbrother , snoop , and even Stasi perhaps but KGB , Gestapo ?
No , as tempting as it may be , the FBI is not rounding up all IT people and sending them to the showers... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bigbrother, snoop, and even Stasi perhaps but KGB, Gestapo?
No, as tempting as it may be, the FBI is not rounding up all IT people and sending them to the showers....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714470</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30717224</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Cornwallis</author>
	<datestamp>1263119640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems aimed at big "IT Infrastructure" companies like ISPs, search engines and mail providers</p></div><p>No, it is/was aimed at any company willing to get involved. I went to one of their meetings and the whole thing kinda creeped me out. I got the distinct impression that we were expected to routinely rat out anyone we could find.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems aimed at big " IT Infrastructure " companies like ISPs , search engines and mail providersNo , it is/was aimed at any company willing to get involved .
I went to one of their meetings and the whole thing kinda creeped me out .
I got the distinct impression that we were expected to routinely rat out anyone we could find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems aimed at big "IT Infrastructure" companies like ISPs, search engines and mail providersNo, it is/was aimed at any company willing to get involved.
I went to one of their meetings and the whole thing kinda creeped me out.
I got the distinct impression that we were expected to routinely rat out anyone we could find.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714418</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30717102</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>IdleTime</author>
	<datestamp>1263118740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminds me of the same program KGB once operated, they just called it "Report anything unusual about everyone!" and it was a disaster then so why do these douchebags think this is a good idea now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of the same program KGB once operated , they just called it " Report anything unusual about everyone !
" and it was a disaster then so why do these douchebags think this is a good idea now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of the same program KGB once operated, they just called it "Report anything unusual about everyone!
" and it was a disaster then so why do these douchebags think this is a good idea now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30726154</id>
	<title>Infragard is not nefarious</title>
	<author>Dman33</author>
	<datestamp>1263239040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am an Infragard member.  I was working for a university research group and was required to join Infragard as a part of this research.  I did not like the idea of being forced to join an organization I knew little to nothing about so I did research into the organization first.  I read up on all of the conspiracy theories about Infragard and spoke with some members before joining.</p><p>The conspiracy theories link this organization to "big brother" programs that encourage people to spy on their neighbors.  This is not actually the case with Infragard - as far as I can tell.</p><p>From what I can see, this organization is put into place for very good reasons.  Look into the Russian action in Georgia last year - a large component of that military action was cyber-based.  The Russians took over the Georgian infrastructure (electric, news and radio) far before tanks rolled into Georgian territory.  If the US is ever attacked on a large scale, our infrastructure will be the first strike.  Infragard allows a secured group of IT professionals to be "in the loop" on potential threats that cannot be made widely public yet.  It also allows these professionals to collaborate on security issues in real time - as they happen.</p><p>Say a new worm was propagating across major infrastructure networks.  An administrator at the water company finds evidence of this worm and sends a message to Infragard asking if anybody else has seen it.  A person working at the electric company reads that message and notices that it matches something they are addressing as well.  The issue may be quickly escalated and addressed appropriately.  If these individuals had to deal with conventional reporting then the link between two critical infrastructure networks experiencing the same problem at the same time may be missed.</p><p>In my experience Infragard does not care a bit about individuals ripping a CD or something.  This is about bridging the gap between law enforcement and IT professionals in order to minimize the time it takes to address a potential cyber threat on critical infrastructure.</p><p>Registering your IT skills with Infragard is optional, not mandatory.  This is not as evil as it sounds and I see much more upside to this than downside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an Infragard member .
I was working for a university research group and was required to join Infragard as a part of this research .
I did not like the idea of being forced to join an organization I knew little to nothing about so I did research into the organization first .
I read up on all of the conspiracy theories about Infragard and spoke with some members before joining.The conspiracy theories link this organization to " big brother " programs that encourage people to spy on their neighbors .
This is not actually the case with Infragard - as far as I can tell.From what I can see , this organization is put into place for very good reasons .
Look into the Russian action in Georgia last year - a large component of that military action was cyber-based .
The Russians took over the Georgian infrastructure ( electric , news and radio ) far before tanks rolled into Georgian territory .
If the US is ever attacked on a large scale , our infrastructure will be the first strike .
Infragard allows a secured group of IT professionals to be " in the loop " on potential threats that can not be made widely public yet .
It also allows these professionals to collaborate on security issues in real time - as they happen.Say a new worm was propagating across major infrastructure networks .
An administrator at the water company finds evidence of this worm and sends a message to Infragard asking if anybody else has seen it .
A person working at the electric company reads that message and notices that it matches something they are addressing as well .
The issue may be quickly escalated and addressed appropriately .
If these individuals had to deal with conventional reporting then the link between two critical infrastructure networks experiencing the same problem at the same time may be missed.In my experience Infragard does not care a bit about individuals ripping a CD or something .
This is about bridging the gap between law enforcement and IT professionals in order to minimize the time it takes to address a potential cyber threat on critical infrastructure.Registering your IT skills with Infragard is optional , not mandatory .
This is not as evil as it sounds and I see much more upside to this than downside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am an Infragard member.
I was working for a university research group and was required to join Infragard as a part of this research.
I did not like the idea of being forced to join an organization I knew little to nothing about so I did research into the organization first.
I read up on all of the conspiracy theories about Infragard and spoke with some members before joining.The conspiracy theories link this organization to "big brother" programs that encourage people to spy on their neighbors.
This is not actually the case with Infragard - as far as I can tell.From what I can see, this organization is put into place for very good reasons.
Look into the Russian action in Georgia last year - a large component of that military action was cyber-based.
The Russians took over the Georgian infrastructure (electric, news and radio) far before tanks rolled into Georgian territory.
If the US is ever attacked on a large scale, our infrastructure will be the first strike.
Infragard allows a secured group of IT professionals to be "in the loop" on potential threats that cannot be made widely public yet.
It also allows these professionals to collaborate on security issues in real time - as they happen.Say a new worm was propagating across major infrastructure networks.
An administrator at the water company finds evidence of this worm and sends a message to Infragard asking if anybody else has seen it.
A person working at the electric company reads that message and notices that it matches something they are addressing as well.
The issue may be quickly escalated and addressed appropriately.
If these individuals had to deal with conventional reporting then the link between two critical infrastructure networks experiencing the same problem at the same time may be missed.In my experience Infragard does not care a bit about individuals ripping a CD or something.
This is about bridging the gap between law enforcement and IT professionals in order to minimize the time it takes to address a potential cyber threat on critical infrastructure.Registering your IT skills with Infragard is optional, not mandatory.
This is not as evil as it sounds and I see much more upside to this than downside.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30716048</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this necessarily a bad thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263153780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>boy are you naive</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>boy are you naive</tokentext>
<sentencetext>boy are you naive</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30778984</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>FatherDale</author>
	<datestamp>1263571380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Federal Government is HURTING for IT talent, particularly CEH/CIH type talent. They may just be trolling for new employees.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Federal Government is HURTING for IT talent , particularly CEH/CIH type talent .
They may just be trolling for new employees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Federal Government is HURTING for IT talent, particularly CEH/CIH type talent.
They may just be trolling for new employees.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714336</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30719532</id>
	<title>The death of search warrents and probable cause</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1263140580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If information is voluntarily given to DHS, then no constitutional problems. How Nazi Germany Hitler youth of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If information is voluntarily given to DHS , then no constitutional problems .
How Nazi Germany Hitler youth of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If information is voluntarily given to DHS, then no constitutional problems.
How Nazi Germany Hitler youth of them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714920</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>astar</author>
	<datestamp>1263143760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you pay attention, you should also consider "block watch" programs.  These are still voluntary.  In seattle, people would make the point effectively enough that the cops had to stop having public organizing meeting.  this was a while ago.</p><p>with the perpetuality clauses in the senate health bill, we now have what Tom Paine explicitedly described as tyranny, so what do you expect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you pay attention , you should also consider " block watch " programs .
These are still voluntary .
In seattle , people would make the point effectively enough that the cops had to stop having public organizing meeting .
this was a while ago.with the perpetuality clauses in the senate health bill , we now have what Tom Paine explicitedly described as tyranny , so what do you expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you pay attention, you should also consider "block watch" programs.
These are still voluntary.
In seattle, people would make the point effectively enough that the cops had to stop having public organizing meeting.
this was a while ago.with the perpetuality clauses in the senate health bill, we now have what Tom Paine explicitedly described as tyranny, so what do you expect?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714470</id>
	<title>missing tags</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263138720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>bigbrother, snoop, gestapo, stasi, kgb...</htmltext>
<tokenext>bigbrother , snoop , gestapo , stasi , kgb.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bigbrother, snoop, gestapo, stasi, kgb...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30727842</id>
	<title>= Superhuman Registration Act</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263201420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what this is, essentially, since IT workers believe they are better than normal humans.</p><p>Whose side are you on?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what this is , essentially , since IT workers believe they are better than normal humans.Whose side are you on ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what this is, essentially, since IT workers believe they are better than normal humans.Whose side are you on?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714460</id>
	<title>FOR WORKERS REVOLUTION!</title>
	<author>For a Free Internet</author>
	<datestamp>1263138600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Smash capitalism! Workers to power!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Smash capitalism !
Workers to power !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Smash capitalism!
Workers to power!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30718480</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263128220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There was actually an episode of a show on TV about it (Conspiracy Theory with Jesse "The Body" Ventura)... dunno how much of it you can believe, but if even some of it, then this is sinister.</p><p>This would not be the first time that the government has helped/hired/worked with outside agencies to collect information that they cannot legally collect directly. My presumption would be that with updating such records about the members of InfraGuard, they can find the InfraGuard members best suited for covert information gathering of a technical nature. But that's just a guess.</p><p>I could be way off base, especially after the latest thing with Interpol (for probably similar reasons)... so who knows?</p></div><p>it's "the brain" now</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was actually an episode of a show on TV about it ( Conspiracy Theory with Jesse " The Body " Ventura ) ... dunno how much of it you can believe , but if even some of it , then this is sinister.This would not be the first time that the government has helped/hired/worked with outside agencies to collect information that they can not legally collect directly .
My presumption would be that with updating such records about the members of InfraGuard , they can find the InfraGuard members best suited for covert information gathering of a technical nature .
But that 's just a guess.I could be way off base , especially after the latest thing with Interpol ( for probably similar reasons ) ... so who knows ? it 's " the brain " now</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was actually an episode of a show on TV about it (Conspiracy Theory with Jesse "The Body" Ventura)... dunno how much of it you can believe, but if even some of it, then this is sinister.This would not be the first time that the government has helped/hired/worked with outside agencies to collect information that they cannot legally collect directly.
My presumption would be that with updating such records about the members of InfraGuard, they can find the InfraGuard members best suited for covert information gathering of a technical nature.
But that's just a guess.I could be way off base, especially after the latest thing with Interpol (for probably similar reasons)... so who knows?it's "the brain" now
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715568</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30717526</id>
	<title>Critical Infrastructure Protection Collaboration</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263121440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>InfraGuard is where utilities, companies and government agencies that operate the national infrastructure can exchange information about threats and solutions in a less-than-open environment.<p>
There are periodic calls for expertise on a variety of specialties, such as power distribution, water treatment, mass-transit, communications, etc.  </p><p>
There is no "reporting on co-workers".  Members need to get the OK from their organizations before sharing data, just like anywhere else.  It's really about situational-awareness.</p><p>
If your organization supports U.S. national infrastructure (ISP, managed hosting, telecom, wireless, etc.) and you don't have a member in InfraGuard I suggest you join.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>InfraGuard is where utilities , companies and government agencies that operate the national infrastructure can exchange information about threats and solutions in a less-than-open environment .
There are periodic calls for expertise on a variety of specialties , such as power distribution , water treatment , mass-transit , communications , etc .
There is no " reporting on co-workers " .
Members need to get the OK from their organizations before sharing data , just like anywhere else .
It 's really about situational-awareness .
If your organization supports U.S. national infrastructure ( ISP , managed hosting , telecom , wireless , etc .
) and you do n't have a member in InfraGuard I suggest you join .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>InfraGuard is where utilities, companies and government agencies that operate the national infrastructure can exchange information about threats and solutions in a less-than-open environment.
There are periodic calls for expertise on a variety of specialties, such as power distribution, water treatment, mass-transit, communications, etc.
There is no "reporting on co-workers".
Members need to get the OK from their organizations before sharing data, just like anywhere else.
It's really about situational-awareness.
If your organization supports U.S. national infrastructure (ISP, managed hosting, telecom, wireless, etc.
) and you don't have a member in InfraGuard I suggest you join.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714378</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263137220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a trap!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a trap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a trap!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30716126</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Punctuated\_Equilibri</author>
	<datestamp>1263154680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a test of your biases.  How would you feel if the Democratic Party was trying to create a support organization of volunteering IT professionals?  The Republican party?  moveon.org?<p>

If you think the US does not need some organization that does the job of DHS, then you are an idiot.  If you accept that the job needs to be done, then you also have to accept the people that you've got, you can't just fire them all and build a new DHS by hiring, say, fine arts majors.  At that point you can have a discussion of how to organize and what  limits to impose.</p><p>

That said, seems to me like InfraGard opens up the process a bit.  Instead of only DHS employees and a tightly knit web of contractors and suppliers knowing what is coming up, smaller companies and individuals with a clearance, or who can get one, could potentially get more access to some of this information, and provide feedback.  That concept sounds okay to me, if it works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a test of your biases .
How would you feel if the Democratic Party was trying to create a support organization of volunteering IT professionals ?
The Republican party ?
moveon.org ? If you think the US does not need some organization that does the job of DHS , then you are an idiot .
If you accept that the job needs to be done , then you also have to accept the people that you 've got , you ca n't just fire them all and build a new DHS by hiring , say , fine arts majors .
At that point you can have a discussion of how to organize and what limits to impose .
That said , seems to me like InfraGard opens up the process a bit .
Instead of only DHS employees and a tightly knit web of contractors and suppliers knowing what is coming up , smaller companies and individuals with a clearance , or who can get one , could potentially get more access to some of this information , and provide feedback .
That concept sounds okay to me , if it works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a test of your biases.
How would you feel if the Democratic Party was trying to create a support organization of volunteering IT professionals?
The Republican party?
moveon.org?

If you think the US does not need some organization that does the job of DHS, then you are an idiot.
If you accept that the job needs to be done, then you also have to accept the people that you've got, you can't just fire them all and build a new DHS by hiring, say, fine arts majors.
At that point you can have a discussion of how to organize and what  limits to impose.
That said, seems to me like InfraGard opens up the process a bit.
Instead of only DHS employees and a tightly knit web of contractors and suppliers knowing what is coming up, smaller companies and individuals with a clearance, or who can get one, could potentially get more access to some of this information, and provide feedback.
That concept sounds okay to me, if it works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715568</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>RobertM1968</author>
	<datestamp>1263150000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There was actually an episode of a show on TV about it (Conspiracy Theory with Jesse "The Body" Ventura)... dunno how much of it you can believe, but if even some of it, then this is sinister.

</p><p>This would not be the first time that the government has helped/hired/worked with outside agencies to collect information that they cannot legally collect directly. My presumption would be that with updating such records about the members of InfraGuard, they can find the InfraGuard members best suited for covert information gathering of a technical nature. But that's just a guess.

</p><p>I could be way off base, especially after the latest thing with Interpol (for probably similar reasons)... so who knows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There was actually an episode of a show on TV about it ( Conspiracy Theory with Jesse " The Body " Ventura ) ... dunno how much of it you can believe , but if even some of it , then this is sinister .
This would not be the first time that the government has helped/hired/worked with outside agencies to collect information that they can not legally collect directly .
My presumption would be that with updating such records about the members of InfraGuard , they can find the InfraGuard members best suited for covert information gathering of a technical nature .
But that 's just a guess .
I could be way off base , especially after the latest thing with Interpol ( for probably similar reasons ) ... so who knows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was actually an episode of a show on TV about it (Conspiracy Theory with Jesse "The Body" Ventura)... dunno how much of it you can believe, but if even some of it, then this is sinister.
This would not be the first time that the government has helped/hired/worked with outside agencies to collect information that they cannot legally collect directly.
My presumption would be that with updating such records about the members of InfraGuard, they can find the InfraGuard members best suited for covert information gathering of a technical nature.
But that's just a guess.
I could be way off base, especially after the latest thing with Interpol (for probably similar reasons)... so who knows?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</id>
	<title>First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263136680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The part I don't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start "sharing information" about others in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The part I do n't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start " sharing information " about others in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part I don't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start "sharing information" about others in the first place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30716606</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this necessarily a bad thing?</title>
	<author>ThurstonMoore</author>
	<datestamp>1263115200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>though it does open up for potential abuse</i></p><p>If the potential for abuse exists it will happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>though it does open up for potential abuseIf the potential for abuse exists it will happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>though it does open up for potential abuseIf the potential for abuse exists it will happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714784</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>SteveFoerster</author>
	<datestamp>1263142740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They refer to it as "A collaboration for infrastructure protection".  Does that make those who sign up for it "collaborators"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They refer to it as " A collaboration for infrastructure protection " .
Does that make those who sign up for it " collaborators " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They refer to it as "A collaboration for infrastructure protection".
Does that make those who sign up for it "collaborators"?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30717936</id>
	<title>IT Guild</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1263124440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some strange reason it's controversial here to mention the formation of an organisation that acts on behalf of it's members but wouldn't part of the function of an IT Union be to asses and represent the interests of it's members when it comes to organisations like these? Seems to me IT professionals need an organisational structure to support them from bureaucrats. </p><p>
Asides from a bidding war lowering IT professionals pay rates towards slavery there is the matter of protecting our interests amongst many other issues. It seems to me, if we were as smart as we really think we are, we would work together to protect ourselves and have a focal point - aside from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. , for gathering intelligence on issues such as these.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some strange reason it 's controversial here to mention the formation of an organisation that acts on behalf of it 's members but would n't part of the function of an IT Union be to asses and represent the interests of it 's members when it comes to organisations like these ?
Seems to me IT professionals need an organisational structure to support them from bureaucrats .
Asides from a bidding war lowering IT professionals pay rates towards slavery there is the matter of protecting our interests amongst many other issues .
It seems to me , if we were as smart as we really think we are , we would work together to protect ourselves and have a focal point - aside from / .
, for gathering intelligence on issues such as these .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some strange reason it's controversial here to mention the formation of an organisation that acts on behalf of it's members but wouldn't part of the function of an IT Union be to asses and represent the interests of it's members when it comes to organisations like these?
Seems to me IT professionals need an organisational structure to support them from bureaucrats.
Asides from a bidding war lowering IT professionals pay rates towards slavery there is the matter of protecting our interests amongst many other issues.
It seems to me, if we were as smart as we really think we are, we would work together to protect ourselves and have a focal point - aside from /.
, for gathering intelligence on issues such as these.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715300</id>
	<title>Re:28000 members, 917 hours annual burden</title>
	<author>KiahZero</author>
	<datestamp>1263147780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 917 hours represents the amount of burden put on the public, not the burden on the U.S. government. This calculation is a necessary part of the Paperwork Reduction Act for any information gathering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 917 hours represents the amount of burden put on the public , not the burden on the U.S. government. This calculation is a necessary part of the Paperwork Reduction Act for any information gathering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 917 hours represents the amount of burden put on the public, not the burden on the U.S. government. This calculation is a necessary part of the Paperwork Reduction Act for any information gathering.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30787374</id>
	<title>"Voluntary" should not be "Free" IT Services</title>
	<author>DarkStarZumaBeach</author>
	<datestamp>1263572580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, anyone worth anything in IT security circles probably gets finger-printed and retina-scanned, for the record, several times a year.

</p><p>Why a "non-profit" organization would want to know something that its government client already knows in spades should worry everyone in IT.

</p><p>Second is the use of the "non-profit" organization status:  Anyone who volunteers services to Infragard without knowledge of their employer is likely to get sanctioned for unauthorized provisioning of IT services, including consulting services, and resources, such as storage, power, and bandwidth, to a "non-profit" organization.   Without cost-recapture reporting processes in place, "non-profit"  quickly becomes theft of services, which should be generating revenue for the employer and tax revenue for the government. Cost-recapture would allow the IRS to grant tax credits to the employer for all of the "volunteered" hours and other IT services appropriated for "national security."  Where are the Federal time card and authorized job requisition numbers required by the GAO on the Infragard website?

</p><p>Third, is that the existence of Infragard creates millions of opportunities for false flag recruitment of IT staffers:  How exactly does an IT staffer know when an Infragard request for information is legitimately backed up with a FISA-court signed warrant?  How exactly does one Infragard volunteer respond to an information request from another Infragard volunteer?  If the request breaks corporate rules, I would go to corporate legal and the FBI anyway, but that's just me.  Add to that the number of ex-intel operatives with the ability to counterfeit federal authorization documents and IDs and the shadow world gets darker.

</p><p>The history of US and allied national security is littered with underpaid, under-appreciated, government operatives who were turned by the offer of cash under the table to work against the national interests.   Infragard, being non-profit, should be clearly suspected of harboring similar work conditions rife with opportunites for security breaches by turncoat insiders.  The fact that 80\% of corporate IT staff feel the same way, makes the opportunity for false flag recruitment even greater.

</p><p>So, Infragard volunteers have to ask themselves two questions:

</p><p>Do they want to co-conspire in the theft of corporate IT services with a non-profit organization that claims the authority of the government?

</p><p>Can they trust operatives of a non-profit organization who can fail to provide the security, confidentiality, and protection that Infragard implies that it can provide?

</p><p>Because humans can fail, don't expect Infragard to be accountable to volunteers or even the IRS or GAO.  At least, if you are going to volunteer, be smart enough to have your employer send you to counter-intelligence courses at Quantico, since the Infragard contact you trust today, might be your last.

</p><p>Afterall, joining the witness protection program is not a cakewalk, and the Infragard ain't the Eagle Scouts.

</p><p>
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</p><p>        Please feel free to copy and forward to your US congressional delegation.
</p><p>
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</p><p>
<em>Really bad ideas should remain in spy novels.</em>
</p><p>
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</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , anyone worth anything in IT security circles probably gets finger-printed and retina-scanned , for the record , several times a year .
Why a " non-profit " organization would want to know something that its government client already knows in spades should worry everyone in IT .
Second is the use of the " non-profit " organization status : Anyone who volunteers services to Infragard without knowledge of their employer is likely to get sanctioned for unauthorized provisioning of IT services , including consulting services , and resources , such as storage , power , and bandwidth , to a " non-profit " organization .
Without cost-recapture reporting processes in place , " non-profit " quickly becomes theft of services , which should be generating revenue for the employer and tax revenue for the government .
Cost-recapture would allow the IRS to grant tax credits to the employer for all of the " volunteered " hours and other IT services appropriated for " national security .
" Where are the Federal time card and authorized job requisition numbers required by the GAO on the Infragard website ?
Third , is that the existence of Infragard creates millions of opportunities for false flag recruitment of IT staffers : How exactly does an IT staffer know when an Infragard request for information is legitimately backed up with a FISA-court signed warrant ?
How exactly does one Infragard volunteer respond to an information request from another Infragard volunteer ?
If the request breaks corporate rules , I would go to corporate legal and the FBI anyway , but that 's just me .
Add to that the number of ex-intel operatives with the ability to counterfeit federal authorization documents and IDs and the shadow world gets darker .
The history of US and allied national security is littered with underpaid , under-appreciated , government operatives who were turned by the offer of cash under the table to work against the national interests .
Infragard , being non-profit , should be clearly suspected of harboring similar work conditions rife with opportunites for security breaches by turncoat insiders .
The fact that 80 \ % of corporate IT staff feel the same way , makes the opportunity for false flag recruitment even greater .
So , Infragard volunteers have to ask themselves two questions : Do they want to co-conspire in the theft of corporate IT services with a non-profit organization that claims the authority of the government ?
Can they trust operatives of a non-profit organization who can fail to provide the security , confidentiality , and protection that Infragard implies that it can provide ?
Because humans can fail , do n't expect Infragard to be accountable to volunteers or even the IRS or GAO .
At least , if you are going to volunteer , be smart enough to have your employer send you to counter-intelligence courses at Quantico , since the Infragard contact you trust today , might be your last .
Afterall , joining the witness protection program is not a cakewalk , and the Infragard ai n't the Eagle Scouts .
----------- Please feel free to copy and forward to your US congressional delegation .
----------- Really bad ideas should remain in spy novels .
-----------</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, anyone worth anything in IT security circles probably gets finger-printed and retina-scanned, for the record, several times a year.
Why a "non-profit" organization would want to know something that its government client already knows in spades should worry everyone in IT.
Second is the use of the "non-profit" organization status:  Anyone who volunteers services to Infragard without knowledge of their employer is likely to get sanctioned for unauthorized provisioning of IT services, including consulting services, and resources, such as storage, power, and bandwidth, to a "non-profit" organization.
Without cost-recapture reporting processes in place, "non-profit"  quickly becomes theft of services, which should be generating revenue for the employer and tax revenue for the government.
Cost-recapture would allow the IRS to grant tax credits to the employer for all of the "volunteered" hours and other IT services appropriated for "national security.
"  Where are the Federal time card and authorized job requisition numbers required by the GAO on the Infragard website?
Third, is that the existence of Infragard creates millions of opportunities for false flag recruitment of IT staffers:  How exactly does an IT staffer know when an Infragard request for information is legitimately backed up with a FISA-court signed warrant?
How exactly does one Infragard volunteer respond to an information request from another Infragard volunteer?
If the request breaks corporate rules, I would go to corporate legal and the FBI anyway, but that's just me.
Add to that the number of ex-intel operatives with the ability to counterfeit federal authorization documents and IDs and the shadow world gets darker.
The history of US and allied national security is littered with underpaid, under-appreciated, government operatives who were turned by the offer of cash under the table to work against the national interests.
Infragard, being non-profit, should be clearly suspected of harboring similar work conditions rife with opportunites for security breaches by turncoat insiders.
The fact that 80\% of corporate IT staff feel the same way, makes the opportunity for false flag recruitment even greater.
So, Infragard volunteers have to ask themselves two questions:

Do they want to co-conspire in the theft of corporate IT services with a non-profit organization that claims the authority of the government?
Can they trust operatives of a non-profit organization who can fail to provide the security, confidentiality, and protection that Infragard implies that it can provide?
Because humans can fail, don't expect Infragard to be accountable to volunteers or even the IRS or GAO.
At least, if you are going to volunteer, be smart enough to have your employer send you to counter-intelligence courses at Quantico, since the Infragard contact you trust today, might be your last.
Afterall, joining the witness protection program is not a cakewalk, and the Infragard ain't the Eagle Scouts.
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        Please feel free to copy and forward to your US congressional delegation.
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Really bad ideas should remain in spy novels.
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</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714338</id>
	<title>Incoming festivity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263136620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They want to be ready for the next July 4 just in case they need someone capable to infiltrate into some alien computer system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They want to be ready for the next July 4 just in case they need someone capable to infiltrate into some alien computer system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want to be ready for the next July 4 just in case they need someone capable to infiltrate into some alien computer system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714714</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263141660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could ask the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi" title="wikipedia.org">100,000 &ldquo;inofficial employees&rdquo; of the Stasi</a> [wikipedia.org] that.<br>Or those who, in Nazi times, betrayed their own family members because they hid Jews.</p><p>Or actually anyone who &ldquo;works&rdquo; at an agency that spies on its own population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could ask the 100,000    inofficial employees    of the Stasi [ wikipedia.org ] that.Or those who , in Nazi times , betrayed their own family members because they hid Jews.Or actually anyone who    works    at an agency that spies on its own population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could ask the 100,000 “inofficial employees” of the Stasi [wikipedia.org] that.Or those who, in Nazi times, betrayed their own family members because they hid Jews.Or actually anyone who “works” at an agency that spies on its own population.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30721184</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>NSN A392-99-964-5927</author>
	<datestamp>1263208320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Maybe it's not that sinister but that's the first thing that popped into my head. Looking at the website, it's initial intentions aren't that sinister but mandating that much sharing of information sounds a bit creepy. You guys are going to be DHS'd/FBI'd to death if you're not careful.</p></div><p>You are quite correct... remember Carnivore and the denial it existed? Then we ended up with Magic Lantern which is still denied even though I have the source code. The CIA are the evil ones, not the FBI. I have had good help from some federal agents in the past and I saved a 13 year old girl from a pedophile in Las Vegas. The fed in question was in California and I am here in the UK, now if it was not for our collaboration and my IT skills I would have never located her and quite possibly she would have been raped and murdered.

I also helped break the "Wonderland Pedophile link" and Scotland Yard in London were wonderful, helping me out. <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/02/13/pedo\_porn\_ring\_gets\_slap" title="theregister.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/02/13/pedo\_porn\_ring\_gets\_slap</a> [theregister.co.uk] so what can I say? The point is the FBI do need good IT people, you just have to be very careful about what you do as government intelligence agencies have very sinister motives.

Not everyone is friendly in intelligence agencies, but in the words of Sir Arthur C Clarke who was a close freind said "I can no long release future technology as it is likely to be abused to the detriment of mankind".

The mind boggles @ the thoughts.

love NSN</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's not that sinister but that 's the first thing that popped into my head .
Looking at the website , it 's initial intentions are n't that sinister but mandating that much sharing of information sounds a bit creepy .
You guys are going to be DHS 'd/FBI 'd to death if you 're not careful.You are quite correct... remember Carnivore and the denial it existed ?
Then we ended up with Magic Lantern which is still denied even though I have the source code .
The CIA are the evil ones , not the FBI .
I have had good help from some federal agents in the past and I saved a 13 year old girl from a pedophile in Las Vegas .
The fed in question was in California and I am here in the UK , now if it was not for our collaboration and my IT skills I would have never located her and quite possibly she would have been raped and murdered .
I also helped break the " Wonderland Pedophile link " and Scotland Yard in London were wonderful , helping me out .
http : //www.theregister.co.uk/2001/02/13/pedo \ _porn \ _ring \ _gets \ _slap [ theregister.co.uk ] so what can I say ?
The point is the FBI do need good IT people , you just have to be very careful about what you do as government intelligence agencies have very sinister motives .
Not everyone is friendly in intelligence agencies , but in the words of Sir Arthur C Clarke who was a close freind said " I can no long release future technology as it is likely to be abused to the detriment of mankind " .
The mind boggles @ the thoughts .
love NSN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's not that sinister but that's the first thing that popped into my head.
Looking at the website, it's initial intentions aren't that sinister but mandating that much sharing of information sounds a bit creepy.
You guys are going to be DHS'd/FBI'd to death if you're not careful.You are quite correct... remember Carnivore and the denial it existed?
Then we ended up with Magic Lantern which is still denied even though I have the source code.
The CIA are the evil ones, not the FBI.
I have had good help from some federal agents in the past and I saved a 13 year old girl from a pedophile in Las Vegas.
The fed in question was in California and I am here in the UK, now if it was not for our collaboration and my IT skills I would have never located her and quite possibly she would have been raped and murdered.
I also helped break the "Wonderland Pedophile link" and Scotland Yard in London were wonderful, helping me out.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/02/13/pedo\_porn\_ring\_gets\_slap [theregister.co.uk] so what can I say?
The point is the FBI do need good IT people, you just have to be very careful about what you do as government intelligence agencies have very sinister motives.
Not everyone is friendly in intelligence agencies, but in the words of Sir Arthur C Clarke who was a close freind said "I can no long release future technology as it is likely to be abused to the detriment of mankind".
The mind boggles @ the thoughts.
love NSN
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714362</id>
	<title>i think they need to weed out faggots too.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263136800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>start up those old german showers boys! don't drop the soap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>start up those old german showers boys !
do n't drop the soap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>start up those old german showers boys!
don't drop the soap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714562</id>
	<title>28000 members, 917 hours annual burden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263139980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There are approximately 28,000 InfraGard members, for a total of 28,000 responses with an estimated response time of two minutes per response.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; (6) An estimate of the total public burden (in hours) associated with this collection: There are approximately 917 hours, annual burden, associated with this information collection."</p><p>Can someone put a taxpayer's money cost estimate on the 917 hours annual burden, associated with this information collection?</p><p>The US is practically financially bankrupt. Is this money well spent?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There are approximately 28,000 InfraGard members , for a total of 28,000 responses with an estimated response time of two minutes per response .
        ( 6 ) An estimate of the total public burden ( in hours ) associated with this collection : There are approximately 917 hours , annual burden , associated with this information collection .
" Can someone put a taxpayer 's money cost estimate on the 917 hours annual burden , associated with this information collection ? The US is practically financially bankrupt .
Is this money well spent ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There are approximately 28,000 InfraGard members, for a total of 28,000 responses with an estimated response time of two minutes per response.
        (6) An estimate of the total public burden (in hours) associated with this collection: There are approximately 917 hours, annual burden, associated with this information collection.
"Can someone put a taxpayer's money cost estimate on the 917 hours annual burden, associated with this information collection?The US is practically financially bankrupt.
Is this money well spent?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714376</id>
	<title>Sooo, essentially...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263137100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>... the Stasi of the IT world or am I misreading this? The wording seems intentionally diffuse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the Stasi of the IT world or am I misreading this ?
The wording seems intentionally diffuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the Stasi of the IT world or am I misreading this?
The wording seems intentionally diffuse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30719322</id>
	<title>Nice Favicon</title>
	<author>jblues</author>
	<datestamp>1263137880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does their website have a Sun Microsystems favicon?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does their website have a Sun Microsystems favicon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does their website have a Sun Microsystems favicon?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714342</id>
	<title>do they mean these skills</title>
	<author>CHRONOSS2008</author>
	<datestamp>1263136680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5029/15mug.jpg" title="imageshack.us" rel="nofollow">http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5029/15mug.jpg</a> [imageshack.us]</p><p>and the site its form i have taken offline for the day<nobr> <wbr></nobr>......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //img410.imageshack.us/img410/5029/15mug.jpg [ imageshack.us ] and the site its form i have taken offline for the day ..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5029/15mug.jpg [imageshack.us]and the site its form i have taken offline for the day ......</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30716740</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263116400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey... join the Infragard, could be fun.<br>Nobody said you have to turn in your neighbors.<br>You could turn in your enemies..and enemies of the state. Like Cartels and such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey... join the Infragard , could be fun.Nobody said you have to turn in your neighbors.You could turn in your enemies..and enemies of the state .
Like Cartels and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey... join the Infragard, could be fun.Nobody said you have to turn in your neighbors.You could turn in your enemies..and enemies of the state.
Like Cartels and such.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714792</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263142800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of the three things you mentioned, only one is an acronym and thus only one should be ALL CAPS.<br>Gestapo is a shortened version of "Geheime Staatspolizei"<br>and Stasi is a shortened version of "Ministerium f&#252;r Staatssicherheit"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of the three things you mentioned , only one is an acronym and thus only one should be ALL CAPS.Gestapo is a shortened version of " Geheime Staatspolizei " and Stasi is a shortened version of " Ministerium f   r Staatssicherheit "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of the three things you mentioned, only one is an acronym and thus only one should be ALL CAPS.Gestapo is a shortened version of "Geheime Staatspolizei"and Stasi is a shortened version of "Ministerium für Staatssicherheit"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714496</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714688</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this necessarily a bad thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263141240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>What I find striking is the utter lack of information that the FBI's website gives about what Infragard is really about.  They give few details about what sort of information they are looking for, and what sort of information they give back to their members.  That alone makes it difficult for me to trust...</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I find striking is the utter lack of information that the FBI 's website gives about what Infragard is really about .
They give few details about what sort of information they are looking for , and what sort of information they give back to their members .
That alone makes it difficult for me to trust.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I find striking is the utter lack of information that the FBI's website gives about what Infragard is really about.
They give few details about what sort of information they are looking for, and what sort of information they give back to their members.
That alone makes it difficult for me to trust...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714380</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30717730</id>
	<title>Late 90's web companies.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263123000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The InfraGard website reads like one of those 1990's internet companies. I found a half dozen spelling and grammatical errors, I found nothing that actually explains what they are, what they do, or even an idea of their basic business model. I can however guarantee that someone has already printed up the t-shirts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The InfraGard website reads like one of those 1990 's internet companies .
I found a half dozen spelling and grammatical errors , I found nothing that actually explains what they are , what they do , or even an idea of their basic business model .
I can however guarantee that someone has already printed up the t-shirts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The InfraGard website reads like one of those 1990's internet companies.
I found a half dozen spelling and grammatical errors, I found nothing that actually explains what they are, what they do, or even an idea of their basic business model.
I can however guarantee that someone has already printed up the t-shirts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714510</id>
	<title>An end run around warrants?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263139320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, if the FBI wants to ask for certain records they have to get a warrant.</p><p>But, if a member of InfraGard decides to provide the FBI with records without the FBI asking then it's a private citizen reporting "suspicious behaviour"</p><p>Or, would a member of InfraGard be considered an officer of the government, making any records they had access to inadmissable?</p><p>I'm guessing it's pretty clear that I'm not a lawyer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if the FBI wants to ask for certain records they have to get a warrant.But , if a member of InfraGard decides to provide the FBI with records without the FBI asking then it 's a private citizen reporting " suspicious behaviour " Or , would a member of InfraGard be considered an officer of the government , making any records they had access to inadmissable ? I 'm guessing it 's pretty clear that I 'm not a lawyer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if the FBI wants to ask for certain records they have to get a warrant.But, if a member of InfraGard decides to provide the FBI with records without the FBI asking then it's a private citizen reporting "suspicious behaviour"Or, would a member of InfraGard be considered an officer of the government, making any records they had access to inadmissable?I'm guessing it's pretty clear that I'm not a lawyer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30717270</id>
	<title>Re:Funny stuff</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1263119940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>L33tSp34k is the mandatory language on the filling form. It also asks for your WaRlOrDz rankz and asks you to list your "mad skillz".</htmltext>
<tokenext>L33tSp34k is the mandatory language on the filling form .
It also asks for your WaRlOrDz rankz and asks you to list your " mad skillz " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>L33tSp34k is the mandatory language on the filling form.
It also asks for your WaRlOrDz rankz and asks you to list your "mad skillz".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714420</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30716666</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>aGuyNamedJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1263115800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Above all, don't think it has any connection to <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/01/02/0247236/Using-Fourth-Party-Data-Brokers-To-Bypass-the-Fourth-Amendment" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">this story</a> [slashdot.org] from last week.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Above all , do n't think it has any connection to this story [ slashdot.org ] from last week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Above all, don't think it has any connection to this story [slashdot.org] from last week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714336</id>
	<title>Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263136560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's not that sinister but that's the first thing that popped into my head. Looking at the website, it's initial intentions aren't that sinister but mandating that much sharing of information sounds a bit creepy. You guys are going to be DHS'd/FBI'd to death if you're not careful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's not that sinister but that 's the first thing that popped into my head .
Looking at the website , it 's initial intentions are n't that sinister but mandating that much sharing of information sounds a bit creepy .
You guys are going to be DHS 'd/FBI 'd to death if you 're not careful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's not that sinister but that's the first thing that popped into my head.
Looking at the website, it's initial intentions aren't that sinister but mandating that much sharing of information sounds a bit creepy.
You guys are going to be DHS'd/FBI'd to death if you're not careful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715976</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1263153360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The part I don't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start "sharing information" about others in the first place.</p></div><p>Because, if you're not in the Infra<i>Guard</i> then you must be an Infra<i>Red</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The part I do n't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start " sharing information " about others in the first place.Because , if you 're not in the InfraGuard then you must be an InfraRed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part I don't understand is why anyone would voluntarily become a part of InfraGrad and start "sharing information" about others in the first place.Because, if you're not in the InfraGuard then you must be an InfraRed.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30719408</id>
	<title>anon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263139080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But who is going to police the police?</p><p>I dont like the smell of this, something smells like rats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But who is going to police the police ? I dont like the smell of this , something smells like rats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But who is going to police the police?I dont like the smell of this, something smells like rats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714360</id>
	<title>on the flip side</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263136800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have someone where I work on that, and you should know, information flows both ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have someone where I work on that , and you should know , information flows both ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have someone where I work on that, and you should know, information flows both ways.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714496</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263139140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>it's called totalitarianism. Long history. look up words like STASI, KGB, GESTAPO. If there is a way someone can gain some social advantage over others, eventually there will be a "someone" to cheerfully fill those jackboots.</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's called totalitarianism .
Long history .
look up words like STASI , KGB , GESTAPO .
If there is a way someone can gain some social advantage over others , eventually there will be a " someone " to cheerfully fill those jackboots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's called totalitarianism.
Long history.
look up words like STASI, KGB, GESTAPO.
If there is a way someone can gain some social advantage over others, eventually there will be a "someone" to cheerfully fill those jackboots.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714344</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714424</id>
	<title>IT skillls lisdted bellow:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263138060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wekl, fwirstly, my tyuping sklills are spoty on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wekl , fwirstly , my tyuping sklills are spoty on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wekl, fwirstly, my tyuping sklills are spoty on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714650</id>
	<title>Am I missing something?</title>
	<author>Callandor</author>
	<datestamp>1263140880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the information provided, which is very little, it appears that the FBI is requesting information from people who have voluntarily joined an organization of IT professionals not just sponsored by but directly affiliated with the FBI. Why is this getting everyone's hackles up? It does not say that the information will be required of all members, nor does it say that members will be required to inform on their coworkers or companies.  The ACM asks you about your IT skills, too. How is this different?</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the information provided , which is very little , it appears that the FBI is requesting information from people who have voluntarily joined an organization of IT professionals not just sponsored by but directly affiliated with the FBI .
Why is this getting everyone 's hackles up ?
It does not say that the information will be required of all members , nor does it say that members will be required to inform on their coworkers or companies .
The ACM asks you about your IT skills , too .
How is this different ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the information provided, which is very little, it appears that the FBI is requesting information from people who have voluntarily joined an organization of IT professionals not just sponsored by but directly affiliated with the FBI.
Why is this getting everyone's hackles up?
It does not say that the information will be required of all members, nor does it say that members will be required to inform on their coworkers or companies.
The ACM asks you about your IT skills, too.
How is this different?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30721342</id>
	<title>Re:missing tags</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263211080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think your last paragraph is showing a bit too much paranoia. Quite a lot of things which haven't yet happened would have to occur before you get 'camps' and 'showers' for IT professionals who 'know too much'. Obviously this sort of thing can happen and has happened. But they are not currently likely in the US without some very drastic and public events occuring beforehand to enable them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think your last paragraph is showing a bit too much paranoia .
Quite a lot of things which have n't yet happened would have to occur before you get 'camps ' and 'showers ' for IT professionals who 'know too much' .
Obviously this sort of thing can happen and has happened .
But they are not currently likely in the US without some very drastic and public events occuring beforehand to enable them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think your last paragraph is showing a bit too much paranoia.
Quite a lot of things which haven't yet happened would have to occur before you get 'camps' and 'showers' for IT professionals who 'know too much'.
Obviously this sort of thing can happen and has happened.
But they are not currently likely in the US without some very drastic and public events occuring beforehand to enable them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714926</id>
	<title>Re:Echoes of B5's "Night Watch" for IT?</title>
	<author>h4rm0ny</author>
	<datestamp>1263143820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>it's initial intentions aren't that sinister</p></div></blockquote><p>
Or at least its <i>stated</i> intentions. Nightwatch sounds like a good fit, actually: If you're loyal, then why wouldn't you want to help? The catch of course being loyal to what...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's initial intentions are n't that sinister Or at least its stated intentions .
Nightwatch sounds like a good fit , actually : If you 're loyal , then why would n't you want to help ?
The catch of course being loyal to what.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's initial intentions aren't that sinister
Or at least its stated intentions.
Nightwatch sounds like a good fit, actually: If you're loyal, then why wouldn't you want to help?
The catch of course being loyal to what...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715544</id>
	<title>Jesse Ventura</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263149700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" did a good job at covering this in the episode "Big Brother":</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C\_2mXR\_Yt94" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Part 1 of 6</a> [youtube.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilGS\_TT6xuY" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Part 2 of 6</a> [youtube.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pHX4L9A74A" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Part 3 of 6</a> [youtube.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb3DPYt6rQg" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Part 4 of 6</a> [youtube.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EfHZ4ev3-Y" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Part 5 of 6</a> [youtube.com]<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKjh6w16YxY" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Part 6 of 6</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jesse Ventura 's " Conspiracy Theory " did a good job at covering this in the episode " Big Brother " : Part 1 of 6 [ youtube.com ] Part 2 of 6 [ youtube.com ] Part 3 of 6 [ youtube.com ] Part 4 of 6 [ youtube.com ] Part 5 of 6 [ youtube.com ] Part 6 of 6 [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" did a good job at covering this in the episode "Big Brother":Part 1 of 6 [youtube.com]Part 2 of 6 [youtube.com]Part 3 of 6 [youtube.com]Part 4 of 6 [youtube.com]Part 5 of 6 [youtube.com]Part 6 of 6 [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715090</id>
	<title>Re:missing tags</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263145620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bigbrother, snoop, and even Stasi perhaps but KGB, Gestapo?  No, as tempting as it may be, the FBI is not rounding up all IT people and sending them to the showers....</p></div><p>For now, they are just recruiting "volunteers" to watch for "suspicious behaviour" and report "unreliable elements".

</p><p>Just the most obvious problems (as mentioned in other posts)
</p><ul>
<li>how long until "not volunteering" is deemed "suspicious behaviour"?</li>
<li>how long until people wronly accuse others for financial gain or just for fun?</li>
<li>how long until you'll have to prove your "reliability" by filling your snitching quota?</li>
</ul><p>

Another thing to keep in mind: The so-called "War on Terror" can be used to outlaw anything and anyone.
</p><p>Soon after a high-profile Cyber-Attack all knowledge of critical infrastructure(tm) will become classified.
Too bad for those lacking the official clearance for things they already know. The state will have to
place such persons in "protective custody" camps to keep the terrorists from expoliting their knowledge.
Unfortunately, even a short time spent in a such a camp will disqualify you from ever getting back to your former life:
While they could'nt prove any previous contacts to "unreliable elements", now they know where you have met them.
Finally, once the "unrecovereable elements" are confined to the camps it wont be long until some politician wants the money
wasted on their upkeep be spent on his constituency instead. That is where the "showers" come in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bigbrother , snoop , and even Stasi perhaps but KGB , Gestapo ?
No , as tempting as it may be , the FBI is not rounding up all IT people and sending them to the showers....For now , they are just recruiting " volunteers " to watch for " suspicious behaviour " and report " unreliable elements " .
Just the most obvious problems ( as mentioned in other posts ) how long until " not volunteering " is deemed " suspicious behaviour " ?
how long until people wronly accuse others for financial gain or just for fun ?
how long until you 'll have to prove your " reliability " by filling your snitching quota ?
Another thing to keep in mind : The so-called " War on Terror " can be used to outlaw anything and anyone .
Soon after a high-profile Cyber-Attack all knowledge of critical infrastructure ( tm ) will become classified .
Too bad for those lacking the official clearance for things they already know .
The state will have to place such persons in " protective custody " camps to keep the terrorists from expoliting their knowledge .
Unfortunately , even a short time spent in a such a camp will disqualify you from ever getting back to your former life : While they could'nt prove any previous contacts to " unreliable elements " , now they know where you have met them .
Finally , once the " unrecovereable elements " are confined to the camps it wont be long until some politician wants the money wasted on their upkeep be spent on his constituency instead .
That is where the " showers " come in . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bigbrother, snoop, and even Stasi perhaps but KGB, Gestapo?
No, as tempting as it may be, the FBI is not rounding up all IT people and sending them to the showers....For now, they are just recruiting "volunteers" to watch for "suspicious behaviour" and report "unreliable elements".
Just the most obvious problems (as mentioned in other posts)

how long until "not volunteering" is deemed "suspicious behaviour"?
how long until people wronly accuse others for financial gain or just for fun?
how long until you'll have to prove your "reliability" by filling your snitching quota?
Another thing to keep in mind: The so-called "War on Terror" can be used to outlaw anything and anyone.
Soon after a high-profile Cyber-Attack all knowledge of critical infrastructure(tm) will become classified.
Too bad for those lacking the official clearance for things they already know.
The state will have to
place such persons in "protective custody" camps to keep the terrorists from expoliting their knowledge.
Unfortunately, even a short time spent in a such a camp will disqualify you from ever getting back to your former life:
While they could'nt prove any previous contacts to "unreliable elements", now they know where you have met them.
Finally, once the "unrecovereable elements" are confined to the camps it wont be long until some politician wants the money
wasted on their upkeep be spent on his constituency instead.
That is where the "showers" come in ..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30722528</id>
	<title>whats wrong with this?</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1263222420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's so wrong for a government to want to know who they can call on in case of cyber emergency?<br>I know people are afraid of big brother now, but not everything is done out of fear or terrorism....sometimes doing a head count of<br>a trade or career that can or is important to society is a good thing, else we would not have doctor's lawyers or engineers being<br>asked to register to let the government know who they are.</p><p>I guess we could view this as a compliment to the IT industry being promoted to being important enough to warrant a<br>head count. Just my opinion</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's so wrong for a government to want to know who they can call on in case of cyber emergency ? I know people are afraid of big brother now , but not everything is done out of fear or terrorism....sometimes doing a head count ofa trade or career that can or is important to society is a good thing , else we would not have doctor 's lawyers or engineers beingasked to register to let the government know who they are.I guess we could view this as a compliment to the IT industry being promoted to being important enough to warrant ahead count .
Just my opinion</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's so wrong for a government to want to know who they can call on in case of cyber emergency?I know people are afraid of big brother now, but not everything is done out of fear or terrorism....sometimes doing a head count ofa trade or career that can or is important to society is a good thing, else we would not have doctor's lawyers or engineers beingasked to register to let the government know who they are.I guess we could view this as a compliment to the IT industry being promoted to being important enough to warrant ahead count.
Just my opinion</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714554</id>
	<title>The FBI Wants To Know About Your IT Skills</title>
	<author>The FBI</author>
	<datestamp>1263139860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714456</id>
	<title>Distrust of big organizations</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263138540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Be it the government, a big corporation or a church: Centralism is inherently dangerous, not because the people are particularly bad but because there is little room for error. Massive parallelism of small independent entities is the stable form of organization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be it the government , a big corporation or a church : Centralism is inherently dangerous , not because the people are particularly bad but because there is little room for error .
Massive parallelism of small independent entities is the stable form of organization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be it the government, a big corporation or a church: Centralism is inherently dangerous, not because the people are particularly bad but because there is little room for error.
Massive parallelism of small independent entities is the stable form of organization.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714446</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263138480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you want to be an upstanding member of the community, doing your bit to protect queen/king/dictator/president [delete as appropriate] and country?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you want to be an upstanding member of the community , doing your bit to protect queen/king/dictator/president [ delete as appropriate ] and country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you want to be an upstanding member of the community, doing your bit to protect queen/king/dictator/president [delete as appropriate] and country?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715718</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1263151080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they believe the whole "good citizen and patriot" BS?</p><p>You'd be amazed how far this can reach. The whole Gestapo system would not have worked if it hadn't been for people who consider it their "patriotic duty" to inform about people who are not really "in line" with the whole system, even if they themselves could not have cared less about the whole Nazi movement.</p><p>There are not really black or white, not really for or against government. Well, there are, but they are the minority. Most people are somewhere in between. The hardliners are the easy ones. The hardcore "pro" government people will be the ones doing the prosecution, the hardcore "against" are the driving force against it, ultimately also believing in violence against it. The people in between are the ones who are caught in it as more or less innocent bystanders. There's the "rather support" guys who will be sharing information and the "rather against" ones whose information will be shared...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they believe the whole " good citizen and patriot " BS ? You 'd be amazed how far this can reach .
The whole Gestapo system would not have worked if it had n't been for people who consider it their " patriotic duty " to inform about people who are not really " in line " with the whole system , even if they themselves could not have cared less about the whole Nazi movement.There are not really black or white , not really for or against government .
Well , there are , but they are the minority .
Most people are somewhere in between .
The hardliners are the easy ones .
The hardcore " pro " government people will be the ones doing the prosecution , the hardcore " against " are the driving force against it , ultimately also believing in violence against it .
The people in between are the ones who are caught in it as more or less innocent bystanders .
There 's the " rather support " guys who will be sharing information and the " rather against " ones whose information will be shared.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they believe the whole "good citizen and patriot" BS?You'd be amazed how far this can reach.
The whole Gestapo system would not have worked if it hadn't been for people who consider it their "patriotic duty" to inform about people who are not really "in line" with the whole system, even if they themselves could not have cared less about the whole Nazi movement.There are not really black or white, not really for or against government.
Well, there are, but they are the minority.
Most people are somewhere in between.
The hardliners are the easy ones.
The hardcore "pro" government people will be the ones doing the prosecution, the hardcore "against" are the driving force against it, ultimately also believing in violence against it.
The people in between are the ones who are caught in it as more or less innocent bystanders.
There's the "rather support" guys who will be sharing information and the "rather against" ones whose information will be shared...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714494</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263139080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe that's because you don't know what InfraGard is about.</p><p>It is not just about IT, and was developed after 9/11 because it was felt that many organizations faced similar infrastructure security risks, but had no way of sharing good ideas, or even "dots" which might be "connected" if known. It's true it's largely aimed at bigger companies, but there's no rule. It's just that they have the biggest risks.</p><p>My chapter tended to have quarterly rather generic talks about various security and business-continuation issues by local people who were felt to be knowledgeable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe that 's because you do n't know what InfraGard is about.It is not just about IT , and was developed after 9/11 because it was felt that many organizations faced similar infrastructure security risks , but had no way of sharing good ideas , or even " dots " which might be " connected " if known .
It 's true it 's largely aimed at bigger companies , but there 's no rule .
It 's just that they have the biggest risks.My chapter tended to have quarterly rather generic talks about various security and business-continuation issues by local people who were felt to be knowledgeable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe that's because you don't know what InfraGard is about.It is not just about IT, and was developed after 9/11 because it was felt that many organizations faced similar infrastructure security risks, but had no way of sharing good ideas, or even "dots" which might be "connected" if known.
It's true it's largely aimed at bigger companies, but there's no rule.
It's just that they have the biggest risks.My chapter tended to have quarterly rather generic talks about various security and business-continuation issues by local people who were felt to be knowledgeable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714602</id>
	<title>Re:missing tags</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1263140460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>search on 'operation TIPS' while you're at it.</p><p>it never went away.  only press notice of it went away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>search on 'operation TIPS ' while you 're at it.it never went away .
only press notice of it went away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>search on 'operation TIPS' while you're at it.it never went away.
only press notice of it went away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30715342</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>InterStellaArtois</author>
	<datestamp>1263148260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The benefits of membership listed on the site include "access to sensitive information".  Its going to attract a certain kind of person.  Makes me think of the psychos who have a delusion that they are a secret agent, and try to pull vulnerable people into their<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... &lt;dissonant flourish&gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <i>web of deceit</i>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The benefits of membership listed on the site include " access to sensitive information " .
Its going to attract a certain kind of person .
Makes me think of the psychos who have a delusion that they are a secret agent , and try to pull vulnerable people into their ... ... web of deceit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The benefits of membership listed on the site include "access to sensitive information".
Its going to attract a certain kind of person.
Makes me think of the psychos who have a delusion that they are a secret agent, and try to pull vulnerable people into their ...  ... web of deceit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30723256</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this necessarily a bad thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263225960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Master "Stone Cutter" I find your remark annoying at the least, and ill-informed.  Take a moment and look around, maybe even find out who among your acquaintances is a member.  You might be surprised to find out.</p><p>Many of those who fought for liberty against tyranny were "stone cutters."  Benjamin Franklin, often quoted in these discussions, was one.   Discussion of politics is discouraged, yet most of my fellow brethren appear to favor less government intrusion.  Certainly not the sort of organization which gathers and catalogs information about individuals.  Although, if word is passed along of someone in need, they will often step forward to lend assistance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Master " Stone Cutter " I find your remark annoying at the least , and ill-informed .
Take a moment and look around , maybe even find out who among your acquaintances is a member .
You might be surprised to find out.Many of those who fought for liberty against tyranny were " stone cutters .
" Benjamin Franklin , often quoted in these discussions , was one .
Discussion of politics is discouraged , yet most of my fellow brethren appear to favor less government intrusion .
Certainly not the sort of organization which gathers and catalogs information about individuals .
Although , if word is passed along of someone in need , they will often step forward to lend assistance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Master "Stone Cutter" I find your remark annoying at the least, and ill-informed.
Take a moment and look around, maybe even find out who among your acquaintances is a member.
You might be surprised to find out.Many of those who fought for liberty against tyranny were "stone cutters.
"  Benjamin Franklin, often quoted in these discussions, was one.
Discussion of politics is discouraged, yet most of my fellow brethren appear to favor less government intrusion.
Certainly not the sort of organization which gathers and catalogs information about individuals.
Although, if word is passed along of someone in need, they will often step forward to lend assistance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714464</id>
	<title>Parallels</title>
	<author>scjohnno</author>
	<datestamp>1263138720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who's in the middle of watching Babylon 5, I couldn't help but think of the Night Watch when I read this story.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who 's in the middle of watching Babylon 5 , I could n't help but think of the Night Watch when I read this story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who's in the middle of watching Babylon 5, I couldn't help but think of the Night Watch when I read this story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_10_1236208.30714418</id>
	<title>Re:First post!</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1263138000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems aimed at big "IT Infrastructure" companies like ISPs, search engines and mail providers: a way to be in touch with these people in the event of "cyberterrorism" and systematic DOS/takeover attempts. It seems like a much better idea than waiting for something to happen and then have no idea who you're supposed to get in touch with about it. Knowing who to call in an emergency shouldn't have to be half the battle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems aimed at big " IT Infrastructure " companies like ISPs , search engines and mail providers : a way to be in touch with these people in the event of " cyberterrorism " and systematic DOS/takeover attempts .
It seems like a much better idea than waiting for something to happen and then have no idea who you 're supposed to get in touch with about it .
Knowing who to call in an emergency should n't have to be half the battle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems aimed at big "IT Infrastructure" companies like ISPs, search engines and mail providers: a way to be in touch with these people in the event of "cyberterrorism" and systematic DOS/takeover attempts.
It seems like a much better idea than waiting for something to happen and then have no idea who you're supposed to get in touch with about it.
Knowing who to call in an emergency shouldn't have to be half the battle.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why is this necessarily a bad thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263131700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Says an InfraGard member.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Says an InfraGard member .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Says an InfraGard member.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Why is this necessarily a bad thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext>While I'm against snooping without cause, something of this in a collaborative model isn't necessarily a bad thing, though it does open up for potential abuse. There are lots of times when I call up buddies ask them what sort of IT issues they're having with security, spam, etc, and this just seems to formalize it a bit, and get the circle of trust a little bigger. Companies too often seek to distrust the authorities for crimes because it will make their companies look weak. As such criminal will get away with things solely because no one reports them. This doesn't look like a secret "Stone Cutter" type group, just a way to get to know some local colleagues and keep more ears to more ground looking for potential threats.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I 'm against snooping without cause , something of this in a collaborative model is n't necessarily a bad thing , though it does open up for potential abuse .
There are lots of times when I call up buddies ask them what sort of IT issues they 're having with security , spam , etc , and this just seems to formalize it a bit , and get the circle of trust a little bigger .
Companies too often seek to distrust the authorities for crimes because it will make their companies look weak .
As such criminal will get away with things solely because no one reports them .
This does n't look like a secret " Stone Cutter " type group , just a way to get to know some local colleagues and keep more ears to more ground looking for potential threats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I'm against snooping without cause, something of this in a collaborative model isn't necessarily a bad thing, though it does open up for potential abuse.
There are lots of times when I call up buddies ask them what sort of IT issues they're having with security, spam, etc, and this just seems to formalize it a bit, and get the circle of trust a little bigger.
Companies too often seek to distrust the authorities for crimes because it will make their companies look weak.
As such criminal will get away with things solely because no one reports them.
This doesn't look like a secret "Stone Cutter" type group, just a way to get to know some local colleagues and keep more ears to more ground looking for potential threats.</sentencetext>
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