<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_09_2359210</id>
	<title>OpenShot Video Editor Reaches Version 1.0</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1263039660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"After only one year of development Jonathan Thomas has <a href="http://www.openshotvideo.com/2010/01/openshot-10-has-arrived.html">released version 1.0</a> of his <a href="http://www.openshotvideo.com/">impressive NLE for Linux</a>.  Based on the <a href="http://www.mltframework.org/">MLT Framework</a>, OpenShot Video Editor has taken less time to reach this stage of development than any other Linux NLE.  Dan Dennedy of <a href="http://www.kinodv.org/">Kino</a> fame has also lent a helping hand ensuring that OpenShot has the stability and proven back-end that is needed in such a project."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " After only one year of development Jonathan Thomas has released version 1.0 of his impressive NLE for Linux .
Based on the MLT Framework , OpenShot Video Editor has taken less time to reach this stage of development than any other Linux NLE .
Dan Dennedy of Kino fame has also lent a helping hand ensuring that OpenShot has the stability and proven back-end that is needed in such a project .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "After only one year of development Jonathan Thomas has released version 1.0 of his impressive NLE for Linux.
Based on the MLT Framework, OpenShot Video Editor has taken less time to reach this stage of development than any other Linux NLE.
Dan Dennedy of Kino fame has also lent a helping hand ensuring that OpenShot has the stability and proven back-end that is needed in such a project.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30710928</id>
	<title>Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263043440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I make porn videos. There's something about using "Openshot" to edit them that just adds some credibility to my artistic vision.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I make porn videos .
There 's something about using " Openshot " to edit them that just adds some credibility to my artistic vision .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I make porn videos.
There's something about using "Openshot" to edit them that just adds some credibility to my artistic vision.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711358</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263046860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(snip)... is this 1.0 as good as the competition's 1.0?</p></div><p>Better... Have \_you\_ ever tried to use the ungodly kludge that was AVID 1.0? Or even FCP 1.0? To say nothing of such craptastic 1.0s as Premiere...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( snip ) ... is this 1.0 as good as the competition 's 1.0 ? Better... Have \ _you \ _ ever tried to use the ungodly kludge that was AVID 1.0 ?
Or even FCP 1.0 ?
To say nothing of such craptastic 1.0s as Premiere.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(snip)... is this 1.0 as good as the competition's 1.0?Better... Have \_you\_ ever tried to use the ungodly kludge that was AVID 1.0?
Or even FCP 1.0?
To say nothing of such craptastic 1.0s as Premiere...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30713726</id>
	<title>I-Frames, P-Frames, B-Frames...</title>
	<author>gustep12</author>
	<datestamp>1263124380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This thread made me read up on video compression, and I can now articulate more precisely why my favorite video codec is Motion-JPEG - It uses 100\% I-frames, which makes editing easy, and which makes fast motion scenes look better than codecs which use P and B frames. The only downside is that Motion JPEG doesn't offer the best compression, but it's still reasonably sized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This thread made me read up on video compression , and I can now articulate more precisely why my favorite video codec is Motion-JPEG - It uses 100 \ % I-frames , which makes editing easy , and which makes fast motion scenes look better than codecs which use P and B frames .
The only downside is that Motion JPEG does n't offer the best compression , but it 's still reasonably sized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This thread made me read up on video compression, and I can now articulate more precisely why my favorite video codec is Motion-JPEG - It uses 100\% I-frames, which makes editing easy, and which makes fast motion scenes look better than codecs which use P and B frames.
The only downside is that Motion JPEG doesn't offer the best compression, but it's still reasonably sized.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30716374</id>
	<title>Re:Video Conversions in Linux</title>
	<author>MathiasRav</author>
	<datestamp>1263156720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Any windows video conversions took hours, but ffmpeg did conversions almost as fast as disk would allow.</p></div><p>He could've used ffmpeg on Windows, and you could've run Windows Movie Maker in Wine. This anecdote is more CLI vs. GUI, but I agree.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any windows video conversions took hours , but ffmpeg did conversions almost as fast as disk would allow.He could 've used ffmpeg on Windows , and you could 've run Windows Movie Maker in Wine .
This anecdote is more CLI vs. GUI , but I agree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any windows video conversions took hours, but ffmpeg did conversions almost as fast as disk would allow.He could've used ffmpeg on Windows, and you could've run Windows Movie Maker in Wine.
This anecdote is more CLI vs. GUI, but I agree.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711226</id>
	<title>My eyes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263045840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1999 called, they want their webdesign back.</p><p>Seriously though, why spend all that time on a (fairly?) big project like an NLE and not spend a few hours at least to create a nicer website? Or ask someone to do it for him, if he lacks the skills.</p><p>Simple website is ok, but not one with a design from 1999. I find it very difficult to take it seriously..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1999 called , they want their webdesign back.Seriously though , why spend all that time on a ( fairly ?
) big project like an NLE and not spend a few hours at least to create a nicer website ?
Or ask someone to do it for him , if he lacks the skills.Simple website is ok , but not one with a design from 1999 .
I find it very difficult to take it seriously. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1999 called, they want their webdesign back.Seriously though, why spend all that time on a (fairly?
) big project like an NLE and not spend a few hours at least to create a nicer website?
Or ask someone to do it for him, if he lacks the skills.Simple website is ok, but not one with a design from 1999.
I find it very difficult to take it seriously..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711416</id>
	<title>Flying 3D text... seriously? Designer needed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263047340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, I know this is a big achievement, so congratulations to the team of programmers for getting this far!</p><p>But after watching the video and seeing the screenshots, I think this project really really needs a designer that is familiar with what professional video editors want. It looks SO amateur that I wouldn't go near it.</p><p>All the transitions look really cheesy, and the titling tool looks like Corel Draw circa 1995.</p><p>This is all just my smart-ass opinion after spending 10 minutes on the website and without even downloading the thing (I use XP on this machine, purely for Sony Vegas Pro) but the fact is, that's how most people that might be interested in this product are going to judge this thing. I could be wrong, maybe their target audience is anwad1...</p><p>Mike</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I know this is a big achievement , so congratulations to the team of programmers for getting this far ! But after watching the video and seeing the screenshots , I think this project really really needs a designer that is familiar with what professional video editors want .
It looks SO amateur that I would n't go near it.All the transitions look really cheesy , and the titling tool looks like Corel Draw circa 1995.This is all just my smart-ass opinion after spending 10 minutes on the website and without even downloading the thing ( I use XP on this machine , purely for Sony Vegas Pro ) but the fact is , that 's how most people that might be interested in this product are going to judge this thing .
I could be wrong , maybe their target audience is anwad1...Mike</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I know this is a big achievement, so congratulations to the team of programmers for getting this far!But after watching the video and seeing the screenshots, I think this project really really needs a designer that is familiar with what professional video editors want.
It looks SO amateur that I wouldn't go near it.All the transitions look really cheesy, and the titling tool looks like Corel Draw circa 1995.This is all just my smart-ass opinion after spending 10 minutes on the website and without even downloading the thing (I use XP on this machine, purely for Sony Vegas Pro) but the fact is, that's how most people that might be interested in this product are going to judge this thing.
I could be wrong, maybe their target audience is anwad1...Mike</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30724562</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>richlv</author>
	<datestamp>1263232320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i've used avidemux for simple editing, and it worked great - that is, stable version. i tried trunk before that, and yeah, it did crash often. but that's why it's trunk<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>while avidemux isn't piled with features, it mostly satisfied my needs. some fancy subtitle editor built-in would be nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 've used avidemux for simple editing , and it worked great - that is , stable version .
i tried trunk before that , and yeah , it did crash often .
but that 's why it 's trunk : ) while avidemux is n't piled with features , it mostly satisfied my needs .
some fancy subtitle editor built-in would be nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i've used avidemux for simple editing, and it worked great - that is, stable version.
i tried trunk before that, and yeah, it did crash often.
but that's why it's trunk :)while avidemux isn't piled with features, it mostly satisfied my needs.
some fancy subtitle editor built-in would be nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711664</id>
	<title>Perspective</title>
	<author>iluvcapra</author>
	<datestamp>1263049200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this thing support negative matchback, 3-perf or RED camera workflows?  Or is it just another prosumer tinkertoy, like every other Linux media package?
</p><p> Trust me when I say there is a LOT of interest in OSS alternatives (or any alternatives at all) to Avid, Final Cut Pro or Pro Tools, and a lot of money in support contracts if you were able to build the solution.  But alas, Linux devs are constantly reinventing iMovie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this thing support negative matchback , 3-perf or RED camera workflows ?
Or is it just another prosumer tinkertoy , like every other Linux media package ?
Trust me when I say there is a LOT of interest in OSS alternatives ( or any alternatives at all ) to Avid , Final Cut Pro or Pro Tools , and a lot of money in support contracts if you were able to build the solution .
But alas , Linux devs are constantly reinventing iMovie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this thing support negative matchback, 3-perf or RED camera workflows?
Or is it just another prosumer tinkertoy, like every other Linux media package?
Trust me when I say there is a LOT of interest in OSS alternatives (or any alternatives at all) to Avid, Final Cut Pro or Pro Tools, and a lot of money in support contracts if you were able to build the solution.
But alas, Linux devs are constantly reinventing iMovie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711162</id>
	<title>Deb and PPA</title>
	<author>arhhook</author>
	<datestamp>1263045240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is pretty neat, they also provide a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.deb and ppa for installing.  The demo video looks cool, I've never heard of this software before but it's good to see something new come out of the woodwork and do something halfway decent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is pretty neat , they also provide a .deb and ppa for installing .
The demo video looks cool , I 've never heard of this software before but it 's good to see something new come out of the woodwork and do something halfway decent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is pretty neat, they also provide a .deb and ppa for installing.
The demo video looks cool, I've never heard of this software before but it's good to see something new come out of the woodwork and do something halfway decent.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712642</id>
	<title>Video Conversions in Linux</title>
	<author>markdueck</author>
	<datestamp>1263060000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>-- slightly off topic

I have not done video editing, but I did do a full week of video recording and converting to DVD.  I did everything in linux, and beat my friend who was using Windows hands down.  Any windows video conversions took hours, but ffmpeg did conversions almost as fast as disk would allow.

I discovered Handbrake after I did all this, so maybe Handbrake on Windows would be similar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>-- slightly off topic I have not done video editing , but I did do a full week of video recording and converting to DVD .
I did everything in linux , and beat my friend who was using Windows hands down .
Any windows video conversions took hours , but ffmpeg did conversions almost as fast as disk would allow .
I discovered Handbrake after I did all this , so maybe Handbrake on Windows would be similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-- slightly off topic

I have not done video editing, but I did do a full week of video recording and converting to DVD.
I did everything in linux, and beat my friend who was using Windows hands down.
Any windows video conversions took hours, but ffmpeg did conversions almost as fast as disk would allow.
I discovered Handbrake after I did all this, so maybe Handbrake on Windows would be similar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711298</id>
	<title>Feaking Sweet!</title>
	<author>Maltheus</author>
	<datestamp>1263046380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I haven't installed it yet, but this looks better than anything out there so far. Hopefully it's stable and truly supports any format ffmpeg supports. Cinelerra has been stuck in the mud for too long (especially on file formats and titles), avidemux is too limited, as is kdenlive. If it's good, maybe I'll get off my ass and add a gentoo ebuild. I don't edit video very often, but I've always wished the tools were just a little bit better than what we've had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't installed it yet , but this looks better than anything out there so far .
Hopefully it 's stable and truly supports any format ffmpeg supports .
Cinelerra has been stuck in the mud for too long ( especially on file formats and titles ) , avidemux is too limited , as is kdenlive .
If it 's good , maybe I 'll get off my ass and add a gentoo ebuild .
I do n't edit video very often , but I 've always wished the tools were just a little bit better than what we 've had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't installed it yet, but this looks better than anything out there so far.
Hopefully it's stable and truly supports any format ffmpeg supports.
Cinelerra has been stuck in the mud for too long (especially on file formats and titles), avidemux is too limited, as is kdenlive.
If it's good, maybe I'll get off my ass and add a gentoo ebuild.
I don't edit video very often, but I've always wished the tools were just a little bit better than what we've had.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711098</id>
	<title>clearly I'm a 'tard.......</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263044760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..... but WTF is a non linear editor?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..... but WTF is a non linear editor ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..... but WTF is a non linear editor?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711720</id>
	<title>Re:Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>sbbshoe092</author>
	<datestamp>1263049680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
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<tokenext>http : //www.sbbshoe.com/ [ sbbshoe.com ] Air jordan ( 1-24 ) shoes $ 33 UGG BOOT $ 50 Nike shox ( R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3 ) $ 35 Handbags ( Coach lv fendi d&amp;g ) $ 35 Tshirts ( Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste ) $ 16 Jean ( True Religion,ed hardy,coogi ) $ 30 Sunglasses ( Oakey,coach,gucci,Armaini ) $ 16 New era cap $ 15 Bikini ( Ed hardy,polo ) $ 25 FREE sHIPPING http : //www.sbbshoe.com/ [ sbbshoe.com ]</tokentext>
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Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35
Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&amp;g) $35
Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711158</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263045240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As usual, it's only adequate for home or Youtube videos/etc.</p><p>And its relatively  easy to set your goals so that in a year there will be a version fulfilling them, warranting "1.0"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As usual , it 's only adequate for home or Youtube videos/etc.And its relatively easy to set your goals so that in a year there will be a version fulfilling them , warranting " 1.0 "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As usual, it's only adequate for home or Youtube videos/etc.And its relatively  easy to set your goals so that in a year there will be a version fulfilling them, warranting "1.0"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30714296</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1263136020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difference in coding for RED camera work flows etc is massive as you well know. If it takes a year or two to get a iMovie clone that runs on Linux, how long would it take to get a full Final Cut clone done? It would be an expensive and very long project without financial backing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference in coding for RED camera work flows etc is massive as you well know .
If it takes a year or two to get a iMovie clone that runs on Linux , how long would it take to get a full Final Cut clone done ?
It would be an expensive and very long project without financial backing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference in coding for RED camera work flows etc is massive as you well know.
If it takes a year or two to get a iMovie clone that runs on Linux, how long would it take to get a full Final Cut clone done?
It would be an expensive and very long project without financial backing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30724908</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1263233580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One and a half guys working in their spare time for a year doesn't get you that. And really, at this point, a stable, non-crashing clone of iMovie on Linux would be a good first step.

The problem with every one of these projects is that the goal is that of one or a few individuals, toward whatever end they have in mind. That's often where they land, years later... a version that did what they wanted, with no other direction, no adequate testing, feedback, and resolution of bugs, etc.

Simply put, a guy who only owns an $500 HDV camcorder isn't going to worry all that much about editing RedCode. The good thing about open source is that, if he delivers something worthy for use with that HDV camcorder, others can take it further.

The sad fact, pointed out buy the "constant reinventing of iMovie", is that no one yet seems to have invented a good enough iMovie that others have teamed together to move that somewhere higher end. That suggests this work needs to continue until that happens.

Given the scale of such commercial projects, I think the developers did this right, layering it on as many existing Linux technologies as possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One and a half guys working in their spare time for a year does n't get you that .
And really , at this point , a stable , non-crashing clone of iMovie on Linux would be a good first step .
The problem with every one of these projects is that the goal is that of one or a few individuals , toward whatever end they have in mind .
That 's often where they land , years later... a version that did what they wanted , with no other direction , no adequate testing , feedback , and resolution of bugs , etc .
Simply put , a guy who only owns an $ 500 HDV camcorder is n't going to worry all that much about editing RedCode .
The good thing about open source is that , if he delivers something worthy for use with that HDV camcorder , others can take it further .
The sad fact , pointed out buy the " constant reinventing of iMovie " , is that no one yet seems to have invented a good enough iMovie that others have teamed together to move that somewhere higher end .
That suggests this work needs to continue until that happens .
Given the scale of such commercial projects , I think the developers did this right , layering it on as many existing Linux technologies as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One and a half guys working in their spare time for a year doesn't get you that.
And really, at this point, a stable, non-crashing clone of iMovie on Linux would be a good first step.
The problem with every one of these projects is that the goal is that of one or a few individuals, toward whatever end they have in mind.
That's often where they land, years later... a version that did what they wanted, with no other direction, no adequate testing, feedback, and resolution of bugs, etc.
Simply put, a guy who only owns an $500 HDV camcorder isn't going to worry all that much about editing RedCode.
The good thing about open source is that, if he delivers something worthy for use with that HDV camcorder, others can take it further.
The sad fact, pointed out buy the "constant reinventing of iMovie", is that no one yet seems to have invented a good enough iMovie that others have teamed together to move that somewhere higher end.
That suggests this work needs to continue until that happens.
Given the scale of such commercial projects, I think the developers did this right, layering it on as many existing Linux technologies as possible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711400</id>
	<title>Re:My eyes</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1263047220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Simple website is ok, but not one with a design from 1999. I find it very difficult to take it seriously..</i> <p>
Allow me to suggest Sourceforge for the truly retro experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple website is ok , but not one with a design from 1999 .
I find it very difficult to take it seriously. . Allow me to suggest Sourceforge for the truly retro experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple website is ok, but not one with a design from 1999.
I find it very difficult to take it seriously.. 
Allow me to suggest Sourceforge for the truly retro experience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711550</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1263048300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The editor I plan to start writing tomorrow is already at v2.0, and of course Kdenlive ( <a href="http://www.kdenlive.org/" title="kdenlive.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.kdenlive.org/</a> [kdenlive.org] ) is probably just as useful to most people even if its not 100\% feature equivalent.</p><p>Who do I have to suck of get my software slashvertised?  Its a commercial product so I'm willing to pay also.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The editor I plan to start writing tomorrow is already at v2.0 , and of course Kdenlive ( http : //www.kdenlive.org/ [ kdenlive.org ] ) is probably just as useful to most people even if its not 100 \ % feature equivalent.Who do I have to suck of get my software slashvertised ?
Its a commercial product so I 'm willing to pay also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The editor I plan to start writing tomorrow is already at v2.0, and of course Kdenlive ( http://www.kdenlive.org/ [kdenlive.org] ) is probably just as useful to most people even if its not 100\% feature equivalent.Who do I have to suck of get my software slashvertised?
Its a commercial product so I'm willing to pay also.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711686</id>
	<title>the real story is not so good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263049320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the real story behind openshot is the author's goal to learn linux and why fedora didn't adopt it.<br>go dig up that</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the real story behind openshot is the author 's goal to learn linux and why fedora did n't adopt it.go dig up that</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the real story behind openshot is the author's goal to learn linux and why fedora didn't adopt it.go dig up that</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711184</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>jlarocco</author>
	<datestamp>1263045480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
From my limited experience, the biggest problem with video editors on Linux is lack of stability.  Cinelarra, LiVES, and Kdenlive crash so much they're not even usable.  To make it worse, most of the crashes are random and unreproducible, so it's hard to submit helpful bug reports.
</p><p>
The way I see it, all OpenShot has to do is not crash every 10 minutes and it'll be light years ahead of the competition.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From my limited experience , the biggest problem with video editors on Linux is lack of stability .
Cinelarra , LiVES , and Kdenlive crash so much they 're not even usable .
To make it worse , most of the crashes are random and unreproducible , so it 's hard to submit helpful bug reports .
The way I see it , all OpenShot has to do is not crash every 10 minutes and it 'll be light years ahead of the competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
From my limited experience, the biggest problem with video editors on Linux is lack of stability.
Cinelarra, LiVES, and Kdenlive crash so much they're not even usable.
To make it worse, most of the crashes are random and unreproducible, so it's hard to submit helpful bug reports.
The way I see it, all OpenShot has to do is not crash every 10 minutes and it'll be light years ahead of the competition.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711048</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711414</id>
	<title>Music?</title>
	<author>Kurt Granroth</author>
	<datestamp>1263047340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting, yes.. but I'm more interested in where that music for all of the demo videos came from.  The credits list titles, composers, and the fact that they are Creative Commons but no links or URLs.  So are they pieces composed just for the project?  Or is there some place out there with lots of "atmospheric" instrumentals under Creative Commons that are suitable for videos?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting , yes.. but I 'm more interested in where that music for all of the demo videos came from .
The credits list titles , composers , and the fact that they are Creative Commons but no links or URLs .
So are they pieces composed just for the project ?
Or is there some place out there with lots of " atmospheric " instrumentals under Creative Commons that are suitable for videos ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting, yes.. but I'm more interested in where that music for all of the demo videos came from.
The credits list titles, composers, and the fact that they are Creative Commons but no links or URLs.
So are they pieces composed just for the project?
Or is there some place out there with lots of "atmospheric" instrumentals under Creative Commons that are suitable for videos?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30721284</id>
	<title>Re:1.0 ? Amazing !</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1263210060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Finally an open source project that reaches 1.0 !</p></div></blockquote><p>I can only hope that one day Linux reaches this benchmark.</p><p>Oh, hang on. Just a second while I check my diary<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Oh yes, "1994 : start working in geologging ; decide to put off buying a copy of Xenix to see what this new Linux thing looks like ; prepare for Holland jobs ; get rid of lodger ; Linux reaches version 1.0 ; Xmas and New Year on the Central." Two OS projects making version 1.0 in 16 years - that's even worse than Duke Nukem Forever.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally an open source project that reaches 1.0 ! I can only hope that one day Linux reaches this benchmark.Oh , hang on .
Just a second while I check my diary ... Oh yes , " 1994 : start working in geologging ; decide to put off buying a copy of Xenix to see what this new Linux thing looks like ; prepare for Holland jobs ; get rid of lodger ; Linux reaches version 1.0 ; Xmas and New Year on the Central .
" Two OS projects making version 1.0 in 16 years - that 's even worse than Duke Nukem Forever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally an open source project that reaches 1.0 !I can only hope that one day Linux reaches this benchmark.Oh, hang on.
Just a second while I check my diary ... Oh yes, "1994 : start working in geologging ; decide to put off buying a copy of Xenix to see what this new Linux thing looks like ; prepare for Holland jobs ; get rid of lodger ; Linux reaches version 1.0 ; Xmas and New Year on the Central.
" Two OS projects making version 1.0 in 16 years - that's even worse than Duke Nukem Forever.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711116</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711990</id>
	<title>i hope</title>
	<author>Ruede</author>
	<datestamp>1263051780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the export function is somewhat working now.</p><p>always didnt work to select different bitrate etc...</p><p>maybe i can edit my 1080p MTS files soon....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the export function is somewhat working now.always didnt work to select different bitrate etc...maybe i can edit my 1080p MTS files soon... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the export function is somewhat working now.always didnt work to select different bitrate etc...maybe i can edit my 1080p MTS files soon....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30713474</id>
	<title>Re:Video Conversions in Linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263118260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt you two were using like settings on encoders..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt you two were using like settings on encoders. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt you two were using like settings on encoders..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712642</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711908</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>amiga3D</author>
	<datestamp>1263051060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I must be doing something wrong, I can't get Kdenlive to crash.  Cinelarra did crash on me a couple of times.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must be doing something wrong , I ca n't get Kdenlive to crash .
Cinelarra did crash on me a couple of times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must be doing something wrong, I can't get Kdenlive to crash.
Cinelarra did crash on me a couple of times.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711184</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712306</id>
	<title>Re:Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263055500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think this will really edge out the proprietary "MoneyShot" system in use today?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think this will really edge out the proprietary " MoneyShot " system in use today ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think this will really edge out the proprietary "MoneyShot" system in use today?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30710928</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712864</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1263063420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd be happy to see them outdo iMovie in the first place. My last experience trying to edit movies in Linux was.... unpleasant to say the least, and I wasn't looking to do anything that fancy. Granted, it was HDV footage (but still MPEG2 from what I understand) so not completely mainstream but it'd constantly crash doing simple stuff like splitting up clips and rearranging them with simple crossover effects, or just refuse to recognize it at all and whatnot. I don't remember all the apps I tried but it was the 3-4 most popular ones. I was thinking about getting a new AVCHD camera but can't really imagine that being any better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be happy to see them outdo iMovie in the first place .
My last experience trying to edit movies in Linux was.... unpleasant to say the least , and I was n't looking to do anything that fancy .
Granted , it was HDV footage ( but still MPEG2 from what I understand ) so not completely mainstream but it 'd constantly crash doing simple stuff like splitting up clips and rearranging them with simple crossover effects , or just refuse to recognize it at all and whatnot .
I do n't remember all the apps I tried but it was the 3-4 most popular ones .
I was thinking about getting a new AVCHD camera but ca n't really imagine that being any better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be happy to see them outdo iMovie in the first place.
My last experience trying to edit movies in Linux was.... unpleasant to say the least, and I wasn't looking to do anything that fancy.
Granted, it was HDV footage (but still MPEG2 from what I understand) so not completely mainstream but it'd constantly crash doing simple stuff like splitting up clips and rearranging them with simple crossover effects, or just refuse to recognize it at all and whatnot.
I don't remember all the apps I tried but it was the 3-4 most popular ones.
I was thinking about getting a new AVCHD camera but can't really imagine that being any better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711664</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711156</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>KIRBY1986</author>
	<datestamp>1263045240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.allbyer.com/" title="allbyer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.allbyer.com/</a> [allbyer.com]
Hi,Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,Here are the most popular, most stylish and avant-garde shoes,handbags,Tshirts, jacket,Tracksuit w ect...NIKE SHOX,JORDAN SHOES 1-24,AF,DUNK,SB,PUMA<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,R4,NZ,OZ,T1-TL3) $35HANDBGAS(COACH,L V, DG, ED HARDY) $35TSHIRTS (POLO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,ED HARDY, LACOSTE) $16
thanks... For details, please consult <a href="http://www.allbyer.com/" title="allbyer.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.allbyer.com/</a> [allbyer.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.allbyer.com/ [ allbyer.com ] Hi,Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,Here are the most popular , most stylish and avant-garde shoes,handbags,Tshirts , jacket,Tracksuit w ect...NIKE SHOX,JORDAN SHOES 1-24,AF,DUNK,SB,PUMA ,R4,NZ,OZ,T1-TL3 ) $ 35HANDBGAS ( COACH,L V , DG , ED HARDY ) $ 35TSHIRTS ( POLO ,ED HARDY , LACOSTE ) $ 16 thanks... For details , please consult http : //www.allbyer.com/ [ allbyer.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.allbyer.com/ [allbyer.com]
Hi,Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,Here are the most popular, most stylish and avant-garde shoes,handbags,Tshirts, jacket,Tracksuit w ect...NIKE SHOX,JORDAN SHOES 1-24,AF,DUNK,SB,PUMA ,R4,NZ,OZ,T1-TL3) $35HANDBGAS(COACH,L V, DG, ED HARDY) $35TSHIRTS (POLO ,ED HARDY, LACOSTE) $16
thanks... For details, please consult http://www.allbyer.com/ [allbyer.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711048</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30713218</id>
	<title>Re:My eyes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263155940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>appearance over content: the downfall of modern society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>appearance over content : the downfall of modern society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>appearance over content: the downfall of modern society.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711226</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711100</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>CnlPepper</author>
	<datestamp>1263044760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch some of the screencasts in the video section of the Openshot website, it looks like it is fairly well featured with a not-too-steep learning curve.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch some of the screencasts in the video section of the Openshot website , it looks like it is fairly well featured with a not-too-steep learning curve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch some of the screencasts in the video section of the Openshot website, it looks like it is fairly well featured with a not-too-steep learning curve.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711048</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712748</id>
	<title>Re:TLA Overload</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263061680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF? STFU &amp; RTFM, PFY.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ?
STFU &amp; RTFM , PFY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF?
STFU &amp; RTFM, PFY.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711144</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711344</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Max(10)</author>
	<datestamp>1263046800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Is this one usable, unlike the other ones for linux?"</p><p>IMO, it already <a href="http://www.openshotvideo.com/2008/04/features.html" title="openshotvideo.com" rel="nofollow">features</a> [openshotvideo.com] <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECoWSHRQzME" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">everything that most people will ever need</a> [youtube.com] and it seems quite stable, too, but I prefer <a href="http://www.kdenlive.org/" title="kdenlive.org" rel="nofollow">Kdenlive</a> [kdenlive.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Is this one usable , unlike the other ones for linux ?
" IMO , it already features [ openshotvideo.com ] everything that most people will ever need [ youtube.com ] and it seems quite stable , too , but I prefer Kdenlive [ kdenlive.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Is this one usable, unlike the other ones for linux?
"IMO, it already features [openshotvideo.com] everything that most people will ever need [youtube.com] and it seems quite stable, too, but I prefer Kdenlive [kdenlive.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711048</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30715450</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>gilgongo</author>
	<datestamp>1263149040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The way I see it, all OpenShot has to do is not crash every 10 minutes and it'll be light years ahead of the competition.</p></div><p>That's exactly the way I see it too. I'd love to quickly knock out some titles and clip some of the boring parts off a bunch of videos I've made of things like kids parties and snowball fights n'stuff, but the thought of having to swear loudly over my machine for hours on end is just too demoralising.</p><p>I'm playing with OpenShot right now. So far, so good. Sure, the tool bar icons all disappear when you re-size a window, but compared to totally crashing out that's nothing. Only been using it for about 30mins so far though, so we'll see.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The way I see it , all OpenShot has to do is not crash every 10 minutes and it 'll be light years ahead of the competition.That 's exactly the way I see it too .
I 'd love to quickly knock out some titles and clip some of the boring parts off a bunch of videos I 've made of things like kids parties and snowball fights n'stuff , but the thought of having to swear loudly over my machine for hours on end is just too demoralising.I 'm playing with OpenShot right now .
So far , so good .
Sure , the tool bar icons all disappear when you re-size a window , but compared to totally crashing out that 's nothing .
Only been using it for about 30mins so far though , so we 'll see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way I see it, all OpenShot has to do is not crash every 10 minutes and it'll be light years ahead of the competition.That's exactly the way I see it too.
I'd love to quickly knock out some titles and clip some of the boring parts off a bunch of videos I've made of things like kids parties and snowball fights n'stuff, but the thought of having to swear loudly over my machine for hours on end is just too demoralising.I'm playing with OpenShot right now.
So far, so good.
Sure, the tool bar icons all disappear when you re-size a window, but compared to totally crashing out that's nothing.
Only been using it for about 30mins so far though, so we'll see.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711184</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30736886</id>
	<title>Consider yourself lucky</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1263310980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have tried them all and concur with the GPP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have tried them all and concur with the GPP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have tried them all and concur with the GPP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711908</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711048</id>
	<title>Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263044400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this one usable, unlike the other ones for linux?</p><p>That's one thing I never liked about linux, the tools are all either extremely dumbed down and featureless or incredibly hard to start using.  I like power, but I like being able to jump right in.</p><p>Additionally, is this 1.0 as good as the competition's 1.0?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this one usable , unlike the other ones for linux ? That 's one thing I never liked about linux , the tools are all either extremely dumbed down and featureless or incredibly hard to start using .
I like power , but I like being able to jump right in.Additionally , is this 1.0 as good as the competition 's 1.0 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this one usable, unlike the other ones for linux?That's one thing I never liked about linux, the tools are all either extremely dumbed down and featureless or incredibly hard to start using.
I like power, but I like being able to jump right in.Additionally, is this 1.0 as good as the competition's 1.0?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30715868</id>
	<title>"money in support contracts" and "Linux devs"</title>
	<author>Animaether</author>
	<datestamp>1263152460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Trust me when I say there is a LOT of interest in OSS alternatives (or any alternatives at all) to Avid, Final Cut Pro or Pro Tools</p></div></blockquote><p>Too true, and this goes for many commercial closed-source programs.  I daresay that open source - or at least open standards - is actually one of the bigger reasons for the interest, certainly in the media companies.</p><p>Unfortunately, however...</p><blockquote><div><p>a lot of money in support contracts</p></div></blockquote><p>But virtually none in actual development, unless you're an in-house coder.</p><blockquote><div><p>if you were able to build the solution.</p></div></blockquote><p>Which they would if they were more familiar with the subject at hand.</p><blockquote><div><p>But alas, Linux devs</p></div></blockquote><p>I presume this was a generalization, but even as a generalization.. see the above.  You can't just expect every Tom, Dick and Harriette coder to be familiar with established workflows in the higher-end segment of the market.  What they -are- familiar with...</p><blockquote><div><p>are constantly reinventing iMovie.</p></div></blockquote><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...is exactly what they re-invent.</p><p>At the same time, those coders who are in fact familiar with the established workflows are rare - and are more than likely already hired by some of the bigger editing and VFX shops as in-house coders.  Where -they- re-invent tools all the time, specific to their team and even specific to a particular project, after which code often gets abandoned (there's not as much re-use as people like to think - beyond the wealth of knowledge in the coder's head) and that's that.</p><p>There isn't really anything stopping a bunch of production companies to pool together resources - by that I do mean cold hard cash *and* hand-holding to educate the coders about what users need and why the existing tools fall short - and creating a kick-ass editing suite.  Except for the lack of will, and the lack of project greenlighting from the higher-ups; after all, why would they give the competitor such a benefit?  The industry is pretty cut-throat and having an advantage of your competitors is a good thing.. thus largely keeping in-house tools in-house.</p><p>That said... babysteps.  Get an iMovie done and with any luck you've at least got a framework to build upon, to learn mistakes from, and to do better with in the future.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Trust me when I say there is a LOT of interest in OSS alternatives ( or any alternatives at all ) to Avid , Final Cut Pro or Pro ToolsToo true , and this goes for many commercial closed-source programs .
I daresay that open source - or at least open standards - is actually one of the bigger reasons for the interest , certainly in the media companies.Unfortunately , however...a lot of money in support contractsBut virtually none in actual development , unless you 're an in-house coder.if you were able to build the solution.Which they would if they were more familiar with the subject at hand.But alas , Linux devsI presume this was a generalization , but even as a generalization.. see the above .
You ca n't just expect every Tom , Dick and Harriette coder to be familiar with established workflows in the higher-end segment of the market .
What they -are- familiar with...are constantly reinventing iMovie .
...is exactly what they re-invent.At the same time , those coders who are in fact familiar with the established workflows are rare - and are more than likely already hired by some of the bigger editing and VFX shops as in-house coders .
Where -they- re-invent tools all the time , specific to their team and even specific to a particular project , after which code often gets abandoned ( there 's not as much re-use as people like to think - beyond the wealth of knowledge in the coder 's head ) and that 's that.There is n't really anything stopping a bunch of production companies to pool together resources - by that I do mean cold hard cash * and * hand-holding to educate the coders about what users need and why the existing tools fall short - and creating a kick-ass editing suite .
Except for the lack of will , and the lack of project greenlighting from the higher-ups ; after all , why would they give the competitor such a benefit ?
The industry is pretty cut-throat and having an advantage of your competitors is a good thing.. thus largely keeping in-house tools in-house.That said... babysteps. Get an iMovie done and with any luck you 've at least got a framework to build upon , to learn mistakes from , and to do better with in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trust me when I say there is a LOT of interest in OSS alternatives (or any alternatives at all) to Avid, Final Cut Pro or Pro ToolsToo true, and this goes for many commercial closed-source programs.
I daresay that open source - or at least open standards - is actually one of the bigger reasons for the interest, certainly in the media companies.Unfortunately, however...a lot of money in support contractsBut virtually none in actual development, unless you're an in-house coder.if you were able to build the solution.Which they would if they were more familiar with the subject at hand.But alas, Linux devsI presume this was a generalization, but even as a generalization.. see the above.
You can't just expect every Tom, Dick and Harriette coder to be familiar with established workflows in the higher-end segment of the market.
What they -are- familiar with...are constantly reinventing iMovie.
...is exactly what they re-invent.At the same time, those coders who are in fact familiar with the established workflows are rare - and are more than likely already hired by some of the bigger editing and VFX shops as in-house coders.
Where -they- re-invent tools all the time, specific to their team and even specific to a particular project, after which code often gets abandoned (there's not as much re-use as people like to think - beyond the wealth of knowledge in the coder's head) and that's that.There isn't really anything stopping a bunch of production companies to pool together resources - by that I do mean cold hard cash *and* hand-holding to educate the coders about what users need and why the existing tools fall short - and creating a kick-ass editing suite.
Except for the lack of will, and the lack of project greenlighting from the higher-ups; after all, why would they give the competitor such a benefit?
The industry is pretty cut-throat and having an advantage of your competitors is a good thing.. thus largely keeping in-house tools in-house.That said... babysteps.  Get an iMovie done and with any luck you've at least got a framework to build upon, to learn mistakes from, and to do better with in the future.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711268</id>
	<title>What about Gstreamer Gnonlin and Pitivi?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263046200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like the author of this program spent(wasted?) a lot of time trying to use Gstreamer as the back-end for his project but basically <a href="http://www.openshotvideo.com/2009/03/mlt-vs-gnonlin-lets-get-it-on.html" title="openshotvideo.com" rel="nofollow">ran into a brick wall</a> [openshotvideo.com].</p><p>If I remember correctly the developers of another Linux NLE called<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070928193139/http://www.diva-project.org/" title="archive.org" rel="nofollow"> diva </a> [archive.org] finally gave up on Gstreamer after years of struggling with it and subsequently abandoned their project altogether.  Didn't the Diva developers also clash with the Gstreamer developers?</p><p>So it appears that the above developers put a lot of effort in writing Linux NLE's using Gstreamer but still ultimately failed at their attempts.  Is there something inherently flawed with Gstreamer/Gnonlin?  If Video software using Gnonlin as its back-end(Pitivi) can only be written by its author(Edward Hervey), Gstreamer must be too cryptic for mere mortal programmers. I wonder if anything formidable will ever come of Pitivi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like the author of this program spent ( wasted ?
) a lot of time trying to use Gstreamer as the back-end for his project but basically ran into a brick wall [ openshotvideo.com ] .If I remember correctly the developers of another Linux NLE called diva [ archive.org ] finally gave up on Gstreamer after years of struggling with it and subsequently abandoned their project altogether .
Did n't the Diva developers also clash with the Gstreamer developers ? So it appears that the above developers put a lot of effort in writing Linux NLE 's using Gstreamer but still ultimately failed at their attempts .
Is there something inherently flawed with Gstreamer/Gnonlin ?
If Video software using Gnonlin as its back-end ( Pitivi ) can only be written by its author ( Edward Hervey ) , Gstreamer must be too cryptic for mere mortal programmers .
I wonder if anything formidable will ever come of Pitivi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like the author of this program spent(wasted?
) a lot of time trying to use Gstreamer as the back-end for his project but basically ran into a brick wall [openshotvideo.com].If I remember correctly the developers of another Linux NLE called diva  [archive.org] finally gave up on Gstreamer after years of struggling with it and subsequently abandoned their project altogether.
Didn't the Diva developers also clash with the Gstreamer developers?So it appears that the above developers put a lot of effort in writing Linux NLE's using Gstreamer but still ultimately failed at their attempts.
Is there something inherently flawed with Gstreamer/Gnonlin?
If Video software using Gnonlin as its back-end(Pitivi) can only be written by its author(Edward Hervey), Gstreamer must be too cryptic for mere mortal programmers.
I wonder if anything formidable will ever come of Pitivi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711144</id>
	<title>TLA Overload</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263045120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TLA overload. Since the summary is so short, couldn't the submitter or editor expand them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TLA overload .
Since the summary is so short , could n't the submitter or editor expand them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TLA overload.
Since the summary is so short, couldn't the submitter or editor expand them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711618</id>
	<title>Re:1.0 ? Amazing !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263048900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your comment is funny, Esp if you read it using firefox 3.6, on debian 5.0 with kernel 2.6.32</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your comment is funny , Esp if you read it using firefox 3.6 , on debian 5.0 with kernel 2.6.32</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your comment is funny, Esp if you read it using firefox 3.6, on debian 5.0 with kernel 2.6.32</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711130</id>
	<title>MLT?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263045000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obligatory Princess Bride quote:</p><blockquote><div><p>You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"...</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh wait... that's not it.  Try again:</p><blockquote><div><p>Sonny, true love is the greatest thing, in the world-except for a nice MLT - mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe</p></div></blockquote></div>
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<tokenext>Obligatory Princess Bride quote : You fool !
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is " never get involved in a land war in Asia " ...Oh wait... that 's not it .
Try again : Sonny , true love is the greatest thing , in the world-except for a nice MLT - mutton , lettuce and tomato sandwich , where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obligatory Princess Bride quote:You fool!
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"...Oh wait... that's not it.
Try again:Sonny, true love is the greatest thing, in the world-except for a nice MLT - mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30737070</id>
	<title>Which software....</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1263311640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... apart from RED's, supports RED camera workflows?</p><p>In any case, in the words of the director of "New Town killers" (Richard Jobson):  RED workflow is a real PITA (so bad that he prefers to use Cannon DSLRs in video mode to shoot now).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... apart from RED 's , supports RED camera workflows ? In any case , in the words of the director of " New Town killers " ( Richard Jobson ) : RED workflow is a real PITA ( so bad that he prefers to use Cannon DSLRs in video mode to shoot now ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... apart from RED's, supports RED camera workflows?In any case, in the words of the director of "New Town killers" (Richard Jobson):  RED workflow is a real PITA (so bad that he prefers to use Cannon DSLRs in video mode to shoot now).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30714816</id>
	<title>Re:I-Frames, P-Frames, B-Frames...</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1263142980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``This thread made me read up on video compression, and I can now articulate more precisely why my favorite video codec is Motion-JPEG - It uses 100\% I-frames, which makes editing easy, and which makes fast motion scenes look better than codecs which use P and B frames. The only downside is that Motion JPEG doesn't offer the best compression, but it's still reasonably sized.''</p><p>For some value of "reasonably sized", I'm sure. But you are including a lot of redundant information in your stream if you represent each frame independently (which is what I frames do). By storing only the differences between frames (which is what B and P frames do), you can reduce the amount of data without losing any information. To achieve the same reduction using MJPEG, you would have to reduce the quality of your frames a lot. In short: if you use only I frames, you get larger files, reduced quality, or both.</p><p>The reason you observe that fast motion scenes look better using MJPEG than using other codecs you have tried is not that the other codecs use B and/or P frames, but that they are throwing away too much information. What is likely happening is that they have a limited bit budget per frame, which is enough to encode scenes with few changes between frames, but not enough to encode scenes with many changes between frames. The solution, then, isn't to use only I frames (that would probably make the problem even worse!), but to allow more bits per frame for frames that require it.</p><p>A little thought experiment to make it all a little easier to understand: suppose you have two frames that are very similar. Given the choice between storing each frame independently (I frames) or storing one frame completely (I frame) and the other as a diff against it (B or P frame), I think it should be clear that the latter will allow for a better bits:quality ratio. If you are only allowed to store full frames, you will have to sacrifice quality, increase the number of bits, or both. So allowing frames to be encoded as B or P frames is always a good idea. In those cases where it isn't beneficial, you can always still use I frames.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` This thread made me read up on video compression , and I can now articulate more precisely why my favorite video codec is Motion-JPEG - It uses 100 \ % I-frames , which makes editing easy , and which makes fast motion scenes look better than codecs which use P and B frames .
The only downside is that Motion JPEG does n't offer the best compression , but it 's still reasonably sized .
''For some value of " reasonably sized " , I 'm sure .
But you are including a lot of redundant information in your stream if you represent each frame independently ( which is what I frames do ) .
By storing only the differences between frames ( which is what B and P frames do ) , you can reduce the amount of data without losing any information .
To achieve the same reduction using MJPEG , you would have to reduce the quality of your frames a lot .
In short : if you use only I frames , you get larger files , reduced quality , or both.The reason you observe that fast motion scenes look better using MJPEG than using other codecs you have tried is not that the other codecs use B and/or P frames , but that they are throwing away too much information .
What is likely happening is that they have a limited bit budget per frame , which is enough to encode scenes with few changes between frames , but not enough to encode scenes with many changes between frames .
The solution , then , is n't to use only I frames ( that would probably make the problem even worse !
) , but to allow more bits per frame for frames that require it.A little thought experiment to make it all a little easier to understand : suppose you have two frames that are very similar .
Given the choice between storing each frame independently ( I frames ) or storing one frame completely ( I frame ) and the other as a diff against it ( B or P frame ) , I think it should be clear that the latter will allow for a better bits : quality ratio .
If you are only allowed to store full frames , you will have to sacrifice quality , increase the number of bits , or both .
So allowing frames to be encoded as B or P frames is always a good idea .
In those cases where it is n't beneficial , you can always still use I frames .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``This thread made me read up on video compression, and I can now articulate more precisely why my favorite video codec is Motion-JPEG - It uses 100\% I-frames, which makes editing easy, and which makes fast motion scenes look better than codecs which use P and B frames.
The only downside is that Motion JPEG doesn't offer the best compression, but it's still reasonably sized.
''For some value of "reasonably sized", I'm sure.
But you are including a lot of redundant information in your stream if you represent each frame independently (which is what I frames do).
By storing only the differences between frames (which is what B and P frames do), you can reduce the amount of data without losing any information.
To achieve the same reduction using MJPEG, you would have to reduce the quality of your frames a lot.
In short: if you use only I frames, you get larger files, reduced quality, or both.The reason you observe that fast motion scenes look better using MJPEG than using other codecs you have tried is not that the other codecs use B and/or P frames, but that they are throwing away too much information.
What is likely happening is that they have a limited bit budget per frame, which is enough to encode scenes with few changes between frames, but not enough to encode scenes with many changes between frames.
The solution, then, isn't to use only I frames (that would probably make the problem even worse!
), but to allow more bits per frame for frames that require it.A little thought experiment to make it all a little easier to understand: suppose you have two frames that are very similar.
Given the choice between storing each frame independently (I frames) or storing one frame completely (I frame) and the other as a diff against it (B or P frame), I think it should be clear that the latter will allow for a better bits:quality ratio.
If you are only allowed to store full frames, you will have to sacrifice quality, increase the number of bits, or both.
So allowing frames to be encoded as B or P frames is always a good idea.
In those cases where it isn't beneficial, you can always still use I frames.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711486</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263047820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah,  I dislike computers in general for that reason -- everything makes easy/quick-to-learn vs. easy/quick-to-use tradeoffs.</p><p>Wouldn't it be nice if we could efficiently accomplish complex tasks with absolutely no learning, and hopefully a bunch of unicorns, too?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I dislike computers in general for that reason -- everything makes easy/quick-to-learn vs. easy/quick-to-use tradeoffs.Would n't it be nice if we could efficiently accomplish complex tasks with absolutely no learning , and hopefully a bunch of unicorns , too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah,  I dislike computers in general for that reason -- everything makes easy/quick-to-learn vs. easy/quick-to-use tradeoffs.Wouldn't it be nice if we could efficiently accomplish complex tasks with absolutely no learning, and hopefully a bunch of unicorns, too?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712730</id>
	<title>But does it</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1263061440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But does it run on Lin... Oh. never mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But does it run on Lin... Oh. never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But does it run on Lin... Oh. never mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30716914</id>
	<title>Re:Music?</title>
	<author>CheeseTroll</author>
	<datestamp>1263117480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The very last screen on the main page has a microscopic (not to be confused with tiny) url:  www.last.fm/music/Denny+Schneidemesser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The very last screen on the main page has a microscopic ( not to be confused with tiny ) url : www.last.fm/music/Denny + Schneidemesser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The very last screen on the main page has a microscopic (not to be confused with tiny) url:  www.last.fm/music/Denny+Schneidemesser.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711116</id>
	<title>1.0 ? Amazing !</title>
	<author>afortaleza</author>
	<datestamp>1263044880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finally an open source project that reaches 1.0 !</htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally an open source project that reaches 1.0 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally an open source project that reaches 1.0 !</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711396</id>
	<title>Re:My eyes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263047220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find Web2.0+ crap hard to take seriously.</p><p>I also hate over-designed "portal" websites that ask you to classify yourself before getting any information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find Web2.0 + crap hard to take seriously.I also hate over-designed " portal " websites that ask you to classify yourself before getting any information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find Web2.0+ crap hard to take seriously.I also hate over-designed "portal" websites that ask you to classify yourself before getting any information.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712940</id>
	<title>[Insufficiently specific]</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263064920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Is this one usable, unlike the other ones for linux?</p><p>Ah, if I answer "Yes", you want me to imply the (unspecified) "other ones" aren't usable? And if I answer "No", what does that mean? Your question appears to be  obvious flamebait, if you didn't mean it to be, you should work harder in the future to enable real discourse. A good start would be to actually list the names of the programs in question and for each one explain why you didn't think they were usable.</p><p>&gt; That's one thing I never liked about linux, the tools are all either extremely dumbed down and<br>&gt; featureless or incredibly hard to start using. I like power, but I like being able to jump right in.</p><p>Is this your standard "I am fishing for mod points" commentary on Linux? You didn't find even <i>one</i> tool which was both powerful and easy enough to use that you could just "jump in"? People here are posting that their grandmothers practically <i>don't notice</i> when they switch them over to Firefox from IE. I guess that means that you don't believe it's "a tool", or you don't think it is "powerful"?</p><p>A pity, since I would have classified "video editing" as really one niche where Linux, up until recently, was quite deficient compared to (what I've heard about) proprietary solutions on Windows and OS X. It happened by chance that LiVES reached 1.0 exactly when I needed a video editor to edit a short home video clip (less than 10 minutes long) and it was <i>exactly</i> what I needed (in terms of functionality).</p><p>&gt; Additionally, is this 1.0 as good as the competition's 1.0?</p><p>No, ours goes to 1.1!</p><p>This question is even more idiotic. First of all, what program or programs are "the competition's"? Secondly, version numbers are arbitrary in that each vendor/OSS project defines <i>totally different</i> criteria as to what reaching the v. 1.0 goal means. One project might define it as "we have a rock-stable program which is useful for editing 98\% of all home video" and another project might define it as "we feel our program is useful for simple editing tasks for production cinema".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Is this one usable , unlike the other ones for linux ? Ah , if I answer " Yes " , you want me to imply the ( unspecified ) " other ones " are n't usable ?
And if I answer " No " , what does that mean ?
Your question appears to be obvious flamebait , if you did n't mean it to be , you should work harder in the future to enable real discourse .
A good start would be to actually list the names of the programs in question and for each one explain why you did n't think they were usable. &gt; That 's one thing I never liked about linux , the tools are all either extremely dumbed down and &gt; featureless or incredibly hard to start using .
I like power , but I like being able to jump right in.Is this your standard " I am fishing for mod points " commentary on Linux ?
You did n't find even one tool which was both powerful and easy enough to use that you could just " jump in " ?
People here are posting that their grandmothers practically do n't notice when they switch them over to Firefox from IE .
I guess that means that you do n't believe it 's " a tool " , or you do n't think it is " powerful " ? A pity , since I would have classified " video editing " as really one niche where Linux , up until recently , was quite deficient compared to ( what I 've heard about ) proprietary solutions on Windows and OS X. It happened by chance that LiVES reached 1.0 exactly when I needed a video editor to edit a short home video clip ( less than 10 minutes long ) and it was exactly what I needed ( in terms of functionality ) . &gt; Additionally , is this 1.0 as good as the competition 's 1.0 ? No , ours goes to 1.1 ! This question is even more idiotic .
First of all , what program or programs are " the competition 's " ?
Secondly , version numbers are arbitrary in that each vendor/OSS project defines totally different criteria as to what reaching the v. 1.0 goal means .
One project might define it as " we have a rock-stable program which is useful for editing 98 \ % of all home video " and another project might define it as " we feel our program is useful for simple editing tasks for production cinema " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Is this one usable, unlike the other ones for linux?Ah, if I answer "Yes", you want me to imply the (unspecified) "other ones" aren't usable?
And if I answer "No", what does that mean?
Your question appears to be  obvious flamebait, if you didn't mean it to be, you should work harder in the future to enable real discourse.
A good start would be to actually list the names of the programs in question and for each one explain why you didn't think they were usable.&gt; That's one thing I never liked about linux, the tools are all either extremely dumbed down and&gt; featureless or incredibly hard to start using.
I like power, but I like being able to jump right in.Is this your standard "I am fishing for mod points" commentary on Linux?
You didn't find even one tool which was both powerful and easy enough to use that you could just "jump in"?
People here are posting that their grandmothers practically don't notice when they switch them over to Firefox from IE.
I guess that means that you don't believe it's "a tool", or you don't think it is "powerful"?A pity, since I would have classified "video editing" as really one niche where Linux, up until recently, was quite deficient compared to (what I've heard about) proprietary solutions on Windows and OS X. It happened by chance that LiVES reached 1.0 exactly when I needed a video editor to edit a short home video clip (less than 10 minutes long) and it was exactly what I needed (in terms of functionality).&gt; Additionally, is this 1.0 as good as the competition's 1.0?No, ours goes to 1.1!This question is even more idiotic.
First of all, what program or programs are "the competition's"?
Secondly, version numbers are arbitrary in that each vendor/OSS project defines totally different criteria as to what reaching the v. 1.0 goal means.
One project might define it as "we have a rock-stable program which is useful for editing 98\% of all home video" and another project might define it as "we feel our program is useful for simple editing tasks for production cinema".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30714408</id>
	<title>Re:Yes but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263137880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Kdenlive crash so much they're not even usable."</p><p>That's just inaccurate. I use kdenlive with a bunch of middle and high school students every day. Is it perfectly stable? No. Is it stable enough to use EVERY DAY? yes.</p><p>Your experience is very limited, so STFU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Kdenlive crash so much they 're not even usable .
" That 's just inaccurate .
I use kdenlive with a bunch of middle and high school students every day .
Is it perfectly stable ?
No. Is it stable enough to use EVERY DAY ?
yes.Your experience is very limited , so STFU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Kdenlive crash so much they're not even usable.
"That's just inaccurate.
I use kdenlive with a bunch of middle and high school students every day.
Is it perfectly stable?
No. Is it stable enough to use EVERY DAY?
yes.Your experience is very limited, so STFU.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30712762</id>
	<title>Re:Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1263061920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But thank you for spreading the stereotype</p></div><p>Heh. You said "spreading," heh heh heh huh huh ha.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But thank you for spreading the stereotypeHeh .
You said " spreading , " heh heh heh huh huh ha .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But thank you for spreading the stereotypeHeh.
You said "spreading," heh heh heh huh huh ha.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30733284</id>
	<title>Re:Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263230640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTW!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTW !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTW!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30715970</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263153360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No offense meant, but I think you're the one in need of perspective - video editors are a sum of their parts and some parts are fundamental, and some can be added later. Some editors are aimed at consumer, some at the pro and some can appease both.</p><p>But ultimately, the lack of 'something' is neither here nor there - it's the glass half empty, half full or flowing over thing - in this case, the glass is filling. Disparaging remarks about lack of a feature is counter productive - suggestions for features (with more than just a name coming from some closed source labelling - what you want, how you want it to work and/or insight into implementation would be a lot more useful....)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No offense meant , but I think you 're the one in need of perspective - video editors are a sum of their parts and some parts are fundamental , and some can be added later .
Some editors are aimed at consumer , some at the pro and some can appease both.But ultimately , the lack of 'something ' is neither here nor there - it 's the glass half empty , half full or flowing over thing - in this case , the glass is filling .
Disparaging remarks about lack of a feature is counter productive - suggestions for features ( with more than just a name coming from some closed source labelling - what you want , how you want it to work and/or insight into implementation would be a lot more useful.... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No offense meant, but I think you're the one in need of perspective - video editors are a sum of their parts and some parts are fundamental, and some can be added later.
Some editors are aimed at consumer, some at the pro and some can appease both.But ultimately, the lack of 'something' is neither here nor there - it's the glass half empty, half full or flowing over thing - in this case, the glass is filling.
Disparaging remarks about lack of a feature is counter productive - suggestions for features (with more than just a name coming from some closed source labelling - what you want, how you want it to work and/or insight into implementation would be a lot more useful....)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30714220</id>
	<title>OpenShot is great! Good news for 1.0</title>
	<author>jvin248</author>
	<datestamp>1263134820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I used two versions prior to 1.0; and OpenShot showed great promise.

Used it on a real project even (30 second client demo), had to run through Avidemux then to get a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.avi that Windows users could watch on their default XP windows media program (all ok on linux without that though).

I'll be installing 1.0 to check it out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I used two versions prior to 1.0 ; and OpenShot showed great promise .
Used it on a real project even ( 30 second client demo ) , had to run through Avidemux then to get a .avi that Windows users could watch on their default XP windows media program ( all ok on linux without that though ) .
I 'll be installing 1.0 to check it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used two versions prior to 1.0; and OpenShot showed great promise.
Used it on a real project even (30 second client demo), had to run through Avidemux then to get a .avi that Windows users could watch on their default XP windows media program (all ok on linux without that though).
I'll be installing 1.0 to check it out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30714032</id>
	<title>Re:Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>dido</author>
	<datestamp>1263131220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, the fact that the author's name is <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/John\_Thomas" title="wiktionary.org">Jonathan Thomas</a> [wiktionary.org] is just too good to pass up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , the fact that the author 's name is Jonathan Thomas [ wiktionary.org ] is just too good to pass up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, the fact that the author's name is Jonathan Thomas [wiktionary.org] is just too good to pass up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711164</id>
	<title>Openshot in Ubuntu</title>
	<author>SilverHatHacker</author>
	<datestamp>1263045300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully the Ubuntu devs come around soon and agree to include Openshot in the next release instead of PiTiVi. Last time I checked, PiTiVi couldn't do transitions or any other fancy effects - all it did was cut and arrange the clips. I don't use it, but it doesn't look like it has changed in the entire year that Openshot has been being developed!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully the Ubuntu devs come around soon and agree to include Openshot in the next release instead of PiTiVi .
Last time I checked , PiTiVi could n't do transitions or any other fancy effects - all it did was cut and arrange the clips .
I do n't use it , but it does n't look like it has changed in the entire year that Openshot has been being developed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully the Ubuntu devs come around soon and agree to include Openshot in the next release instead of PiTiVi.
Last time I checked, PiTiVi couldn't do transitions or any other fancy effects - all it did was cut and arrange the clips.
I don't use it, but it doesn't look like it has changed in the entire year that Openshot has been being developed!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30711844</id>
	<title>Re:Openshot, eh?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263050640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Open shot" is a fairly common term in sports, particularly basketball and baseball. But thank you for spreading the stereotype that slashdot readers have more knowledge about porn than about sports, we really appreciate it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Open shot " is a fairly common term in sports , particularly basketball and baseball .
But thank you for spreading the stereotype that slashdot readers have more knowledge about porn than about sports , we really appreciate it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Open shot" is a fairly common term in sports, particularly basketball and baseball.
But thank you for spreading the stereotype that slashdot readers have more knowledge about porn than about sports, we really appreciate it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30717836</id>
	<title>Re:Perspective</title>
	<author>adamdoyle</author>
	<datestamp>1263123720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I want something that supports rotoscoping, multiple transparent layers, etc. with objects (stills, videos, vector graphics) that have properties that can be keyframed.  In other words, I want an OSS After Effects killer.  Gimp will one day surpass Photoshop (it's already pretty close), Inkscape will rival Illustrator, and Blender3d is arguably already at the same level as 3ds Max, yet there are no OSS alternatives for video solutions (at least not of the same magnitude as Blender3d and Gimp)...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want something that supports rotoscoping , multiple transparent layers , etc .
with objects ( stills , videos , vector graphics ) that have properties that can be keyframed .
In other words , I want an OSS After Effects killer .
Gimp will one day surpass Photoshop ( it 's already pretty close ) , Inkscape will rival Illustrator , and Blender3d is arguably already at the same level as 3ds Max , yet there are no OSS alternatives for video solutions ( at least not of the same magnitude as Blender3d and Gimp ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want something that supports rotoscoping, multiple transparent layers, etc.
with objects (stills, videos, vector graphics) that have properties that can be keyframed.
In other words, I want an OSS After Effects killer.
Gimp will one day surpass Photoshop (it's already pretty close), Inkscape will rival Illustrator, and Blender3d is arguably already at the same level as 3ds Max, yet there are no OSS alternatives for video solutions (at least not of the same magnitude as Blender3d and Gimp)...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_2359210.30713594</id>
	<title>sending or sharing video files</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263120480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To send my video files to other people, I use Spider Send Website. You can use it to <a href="http://www.spidersend.com/" title="spidersend.com" rel="nofollow">send large files</a> [spidersend.com] to any one. The website is www.spidersend.com. Their service is fast and secure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To send my video files to other people , I use Spider Send Website .
You can use it to send large files [ spidersend.com ] to any one .
The website is www.spidersend.com .
Their service is fast and secure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To send my video files to other people, I use Spider Send Website.
You can use it to send large files [spidersend.com] to any one.
The website is www.spidersend.com.
Their service is fast and secure.</sentencetext>
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