<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_09_1956231</id>
	<title>Wireless Power Group Sees Standard Within 6 Months</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263028680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>alphadogg writes <i>"The group developing a standard for wireless charging expects to <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/010910-wireless-power-group-sees-standard.html">complete its first specification within six months</a>, opening the door for makers of cell phones, digital cameras and other devices to bring compatible products to market. Wireless charging lets consumers place gadgets on a mat that plugs into a wall outlet, and have the devices recharge automatically without needing to plug in each one. Apart from the gee-whiz factor, it's supposed to make life more convenient by letting people walk into their home or office, toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>alphadogg writes " The group developing a standard for wireless charging expects to complete its first specification within six months , opening the door for makers of cell phones , digital cameras and other devices to bring compatible products to market .
Wireless charging lets consumers place gadgets on a mat that plugs into a wall outlet , and have the devices recharge automatically without needing to plug in each one .
Apart from the gee-whiz factor , it 's supposed to make life more convenient by letting people walk into their home or office , toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>alphadogg writes "The group developing a standard for wireless charging expects to complete its first specification within six months, opening the door for makers of cell phones, digital cameras and other devices to bring compatible products to market.
Wireless charging lets consumers place gadgets on a mat that plugs into a wall outlet, and have the devices recharge automatically without needing to plug in each one.
Apart from the gee-whiz factor, it's supposed to make life more convenient by letting people walk into their home or office, toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711888</id>
	<title>Medical application</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263050940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in a hospital environment, where we perform "generator" changes for pace makers.  When I suggested this technology to one of the pacer sales reps, he jokingly told me to "shutup".  I certainly see how a charging mat can be used on an internal pacemaker to recharge the device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in a hospital environment , where we perform " generator " changes for pace makers .
When I suggested this technology to one of the pacer sales reps , he jokingly told me to " shutup " .
I certainly see how a charging mat can be used on an internal pacemaker to recharge the device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in a hospital environment, where we perform "generator" changes for pace makers.
When I suggested this technology to one of the pacer sales reps, he jokingly told me to "shutup".
I certainly see how a charging mat can be used on an internal pacemaker to recharge the device.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710092</id>
	<title>Re:Not going to happen...</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1263036060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>No problem! We'll just have an adaptor/receiver that you plug into your old adaptor. This will receive wireless power, convert it back to 120/240V AC, then power your old wired adaptor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No problem !
We 'll just have an adaptor/receiver that you plug into your old adaptor .
This will receive wireless power , convert it back to 120/240V AC , then power your old wired adaptor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problem!
We'll just have an adaptor/receiver that you plug into your old adaptor.
This will receive wireless power, convert it back to 120/240V AC, then power your old wired adaptor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30713344</id>
	<title>Great. Another way to squander energy!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263115260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's reported to be 70\% efficient. Now that we are (at last!) approaching 80..90\% on switching power supplies, it was about time someone found a way to fx that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</p><p>There are stupid ideas, damn stupid ideas and then there is marketing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's reported to be 70 \ % efficient .
Now that we are ( at last !
) approaching 80..90 \ % on switching power supplies , it was about time someone found a way to fx that : - ( There are stupid ideas , damn stupid ideas and then there is marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's reported to be 70\% efficient.
Now that we are (at last!
) approaching 80..90\% on switching power supplies, it was about time someone found a way to fx that :-(There are stupid ideas, damn stupid ideas and then there is marketing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30731074</id>
	<title>Re:Underwater photography (charging a sealed camer</title>
	<author>bingemaster</author>
	<datestamp>1263214440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can use SDHC cards, you can get easy wireless data xfer with an EyeFi card.  I didn't believe in them 'till I got one. Now I'm never going back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can use SDHC cards , you can get easy wireless data xfer with an EyeFi card .
I did n't believe in them 'till I got one .
Now I 'm never going back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can use SDHC cards, you can get easy wireless data xfer with an EyeFi card.
I didn't believe in them 'till I got one.
Now I'm never going back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711840</id>
	<title>Re:And when I'm somewhere else?</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1263050580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How about standardizing on a USB charging interface?</p></div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal\_Serial\_Bus#Mobile\_device\_charger\_standards" title="wikipedia.org">I thought we already had</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about standardizing on a USB charging interface ?
I thought we already had [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about standardizing on a USB charging interface?
I thought we already had [wikipedia.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710450</id>
	<title>Obvious Applications</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263039540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Game controllers, wireless mice/keyboards/etc. A lot of obvious applications, and we'll all have to buy new stuff to use it. Yeah I'm guessing this will be popular.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Game controllers , wireless mice/keyboards/etc .
A lot of obvious applications , and we 'll all have to buy new stuff to use it .
Yeah I 'm guessing this will be popular .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Game controllers, wireless mice/keyboards/etc.
A lot of obvious applications, and we'll all have to buy new stuff to use it.
Yeah I'm guessing this will be popular.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710036</id>
	<title>How efficient is this?</title>
	<author>the\_rajah</author>
	<datestamp>1263035400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Besides seeming to be not much of big deal convenience-wise, is this a "green" technology or is it a power leach drawing power even when it's not being used. What is the ratio of input power to power actually charging a device?
<br> <br>
Back in the late 50s, I ran a several turn loop around my bedroom and created a "Halo coil" with many turns on a set of monaural headphones so I could have cordless headphones for listening to my shortwave radio. It worked, but wasn't particularly efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides seeming to be not much of big deal convenience-wise , is this a " green " technology or is it a power leach drawing power even when it 's not being used .
What is the ratio of input power to power actually charging a device ?
Back in the late 50s , I ran a several turn loop around my bedroom and created a " Halo coil " with many turns on a set of monaural headphones so I could have cordless headphones for listening to my shortwave radio .
It worked , but was n't particularly efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides seeming to be not much of big deal convenience-wise, is this a "green" technology or is it a power leach drawing power even when it's not being used.
What is the ratio of input power to power actually charging a device?
Back in the late 50s, I ran a several turn loop around my bedroom and created a "Halo coil" with many turns on a set of monaural headphones so I could have cordless headphones for listening to my shortwave radio.
It worked, but wasn't particularly efficient.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710418</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1263039180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's an app for that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an app for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an app for that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709894</id>
	<title>Pointless</title>
	<author>Samy Merchi</author>
	<datestamp>1263033900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't really see the point. As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger. You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).</p><p>Wake me when you have a tech that charges my mobile from the moment I step in my home door and leave my mobile in my jacket pocket hanging in the foyer.</p><p>Until that use case can be satisfied, I think this is just the same-old, same-old.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really see the point .
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway , I do n't see that it 's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger .
You have to connect it with a location just the same , with this new tech , just the plug is different ( a pad vs a plug ) .Wake me when you have a tech that charges my mobile from the moment I step in my home door and leave my mobile in my jacket pocket hanging in the foyer.Until that use case can be satisfied , I think this is just the same-old , same-old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really see the point.
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger.
You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).Wake me when you have a tech that charges my mobile from the moment I step in my home door and leave my mobile in my jacket pocket hanging in the foyer.Until that use case can be satisfied, I think this is just the same-old, same-old.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30713396</id>
	<title>Which USB?</title>
	<author>Rob Simpson</author>
	<datestamp>1263116700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd prefer mini-USB, but the crappy awkward micro-USB seems to be taking over. Oh, well... I'll be rid of it when the next "standard" comes out in a couple years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd prefer mini-USB , but the crappy awkward micro-USB seems to be taking over .
Oh , well... I 'll be rid of it when the next " standard " comes out in a couple years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd prefer mini-USB, but the crappy awkward micro-USB seems to be taking over.
Oh, well... I'll be rid of it when the next "standard" comes out in a couple years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710088</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>EvolutionsPeak</author>
	<datestamp>1263036000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it prevents you from putting certain other things in that spot, it may very well be even worse than a charger plug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it prevents you from putting certain other things in that spot , it may very well be even worse than a charger plug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it prevents you from putting certain other things in that spot, it may very well be even worse than a charger plug.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709894</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709974</id>
	<title>Grand prize for thedumbest technology of the...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263034860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...century?</p><p>&ldquo;Hey, how about instead of creating a contact between a tiny plug of a small portable recharger, we create a contact with large mat that takes away space in your home?&rdquo;<br>Wow, great idea!</p><p>I&rsquo;ve seen many stupid pointless things in my life, but this one takes the trophy!</p><p>If anyone plans to buy this thing, please tell me where you live, so I can come by, and laugh at you.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)<br>I&rsquo;ll bring gifts too: Clippy and MS Bob, a pair of cuff links, a set of ten table overlays, a water-tight sun-dial, and a tricycle with four-wheel drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...century ?    Hey , how about instead of creating a contact between a tiny plug of a small portable recharger , we create a contact with large mat that takes away space in your home ?    Wow , great idea ! I    ve seen many stupid pointless things in my life , but this one takes the trophy ! If anyone plans to buy this thing , please tell me where you live , so I can come by , and laugh at you .
; ) I    ll bring gifts too : Clippy and MS Bob , a pair of cuff links , a set of ten table overlays , a water-tight sun-dial , and a tricycle with four-wheel drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...century?“Hey, how about instead of creating a contact between a tiny plug of a small portable recharger, we create a contact with large mat that takes away space in your home?”Wow, great idea!I’ve seen many stupid pointless things in my life, but this one takes the trophy!If anyone plans to buy this thing, please tell me where you live, so I can come by, and laugh at you.
;)I’ll bring gifts too: Clippy and MS Bob, a pair of cuff links, a set of ten table overlays, a water-tight sun-dial, and a tricycle with four-wheel drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709774</id>
	<title>Saving power</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1263032640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Charging mats will recognize when a device is fully charged and then consume a trickle of energy in standby mode</p></div><p>Okay thats interesting. We all use wireless (inductive) power in other places and while, yeah, the cheap plugpack segment is mostly switchmode now I wonder if there are places where the efficency of transformers could be improved with a digital back channel which says <i>send me this much power</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Charging mats will recognize when a device is fully charged and then consume a trickle of energy in standby modeOkay thats interesting .
We all use wireless ( inductive ) power in other places and while , yeah , the cheap plugpack segment is mostly switchmode now I wonder if there are places where the efficency of transformers could be improved with a digital back channel which says send me this much power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charging mats will recognize when a device is fully charged and then consume a trickle of energy in standby modeOkay thats interesting.
We all use wireless (inductive) power in other places and while, yeah, the cheap plugpack segment is mostly switchmode now I wonder if there are places where the efficency of transformers could be improved with a digital back channel which says send me this much power.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709942</id>
	<title>That's nice...</title>
	<author>nhytefall</author>
	<datestamp>1263034380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>6 months until another meaningless, vaporware standard.
<br> <br>
Seriously, doesn't anyone quite grasp the concept that wireless = radiated signal?
<br> <br>
Not saying anything negative, just asking why we give a shit when it will be *years* until this tech is actually in a wide-spread, usuable format?</htmltext>
<tokenext>6 months until another meaningless , vaporware standard .
Seriously , does n't anyone quite grasp the concept that wireless = radiated signal ?
Not saying anything negative , just asking why we give a shit when it will be * years * until this tech is actually in a wide-spread , usuable format ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>6 months until another meaningless, vaporware standard.
Seriously, doesn't anyone quite grasp the concept that wireless = radiated signal?
Not saying anything negative, just asking why we give a shit when it will be *years* until this tech is actually in a wide-spread, usuable format?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712758</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>LoRdTAW</author>
	<datestamp>1263061860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To me a big plus is the pad could be integrated into furniture to produce an invisible charger. If a desk sized charger mat could be retrofitted or simply stuck to the underside of an existing desk it would be convenient. You just lay the device on the desk and go about your business. It also cuts the need for having multiple chargers. My night stand has a charger for my phone and Ipod and they sometimes find their way to the floor behind the table. A single wire connected to a pad or mat that doesn't fall to the floor and can simultaneously charge a few devices without wires is a plus to me. And if that pad was integrated or could be fitted to the table it would be a nice and neat plus. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of these chargers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To me a big plus is the pad could be integrated into furniture to produce an invisible charger .
If a desk sized charger mat could be retrofitted or simply stuck to the underside of an existing desk it would be convenient .
You just lay the device on the desk and go about your business .
It also cuts the need for having multiple chargers .
My night stand has a charger for my phone and Ipod and they sometimes find their way to the floor behind the table .
A single wire connected to a pad or mat that does n't fall to the floor and can simultaneously charge a few devices without wires is a plus to me .
And if that pad was integrated or could be fitted to the table it would be a nice and neat plus .
I would n't hesitate to buy one of these chargers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To me a big plus is the pad could be integrated into furniture to produce an invisible charger.
If a desk sized charger mat could be retrofitted or simply stuck to the underside of an existing desk it would be convenient.
You just lay the device on the desk and go about your business.
It also cuts the need for having multiple chargers.
My night stand has a charger for my phone and Ipod and they sometimes find their way to the floor behind the table.
A single wire connected to a pad or mat that doesn't fall to the floor and can simultaneously charge a few devices without wires is a plus to me.
And if that pad was integrated or could be fitted to the table it would be a nice and neat plus.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy one of these chargers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712682</id>
	<title>Re:Underwater photography (charging a sealed camer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263060720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why doesn't someone just add a waterproof charging power jack?? Are they ANY thinkers left?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does n't someone just add a waterproof charging power jack ? ?
Are they ANY thinkers left ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't someone just add a waterproof charging power jack??
Are they ANY thinkers left?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710098</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709950</id>
	<title>And when I'm somewhere else?</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1263034500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>walk into their home or office, toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
And how do I charge it when I'm somewhere else?<br>
Oh. Use a plug-in charger? Um... So, what's the point here?
</p><p>
How about standardizing on a USB charging interface?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>walk into their home or office , toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge.. . And how do I charge it when I 'm somewhere else ?
Oh. Use a plug-in charger ?
Um... So , what 's the point here ?
How about standardizing on a USB charging interface ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>walk into their home or office, toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge...

And how do I charge it when I'm somewhere else?
Oh. Use a plug-in charger?
Um... So, what's the point here?
How about standardizing on a USB charging interface?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709964</id>
	<title>Re:Strange limitation</title>
	<author>KazW</author>
	<datestamp>1263034740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The article mentions "The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power, which covers most smaller devices. "</p><p>This sounds like a pretty low limit to me. My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it's charged. Now imagine you buy one of those matts and your family or colleagues throw their phones on the matt as well. At the end of the day, they might not even be charged!</p></div><p>I'm not sure how you missed this sentence, but this makes it pretty clear to me.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own, but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions " The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power , which covers most smaller devices .
" This sounds like a pretty low limit to me .
My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it 's charged .
Now imagine you buy one of those matts and your family or colleagues throw their phones on the matt as well .
At the end of the day , they might not even be charged ! I 'm not sure how you missed this sentence , but this makes it pretty clear to me.Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own , but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions "The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power, which covers most smaller devices.
"This sounds like a pretty low limit to me.
My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it's charged.
Now imagine you buy one of those matts and your family or colleagues throw their phones on the matt as well.
At the end of the day, they might not even be charged!I'm not sure how you missed this sentence, but this makes it pretty clear to me.Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own, but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710414</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1263039120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is how it should be:</p><p>Two batteries, one in use, one always either charging or charged.
<br>Batteries are easily swapped.
<br>The devices have a small built-in battery or capacitor allowing for 30 seconds of idle operation without battery so reboot isn't necessary during battery swap.
<br>The charger has many pins to accomodate a wide variety of batteries, and can auto-sense battery type and pin polarity (unless the battery has abslutely no charge, rare).</p><p>Battery chargers are easier and cheaper than robust mini power jacks and on-board charging circuitry.  The reboot part is the main reason cameras use battery chargers and cel phones use power adapters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how it should be : Two batteries , one in use , one always either charging or charged .
Batteries are easily swapped .
The devices have a small built-in battery or capacitor allowing for 30 seconds of idle operation without battery so reboot is n't necessary during battery swap .
The charger has many pins to accomodate a wide variety of batteries , and can auto-sense battery type and pin polarity ( unless the battery has abslutely no charge , rare ) .Battery chargers are easier and cheaper than robust mini power jacks and on-board charging circuitry .
The reboot part is the main reason cameras use battery chargers and cel phones use power adapters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how it should be:Two batteries, one in use, one always either charging or charged.
Batteries are easily swapped.
The devices have a small built-in battery or capacitor allowing for 30 seconds of idle operation without battery so reboot isn't necessary during battery swap.
The charger has many pins to accomodate a wide variety of batteries, and can auto-sense battery type and pin polarity (unless the battery has abslutely no charge, rare).Battery chargers are easier and cheaper than robust mini power jacks and on-board charging circuitry.
The reboot part is the main reason cameras use battery chargers and cel phones use power adapters.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712322</id>
	<title>Re:Underwater photography (charging a sealed camer</title>
	<author>raygundan</author>
	<datestamp>1263055560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And for us slightly less serious underwater photographers, I can imagine a nice little point-and-shoot cast in a solid block of polycarbonate.  No gaskets at all-- no leaks until crush depth and catastrophic failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And for us slightly less serious underwater photographers , I can imagine a nice little point-and-shoot cast in a solid block of polycarbonate .
No gaskets at all-- no leaks until crush depth and catastrophic failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And for us slightly less serious underwater photographers, I can imagine a nice little point-and-shoot cast in a solid block of polycarbonate.
No gaskets at all-- no leaks until crush depth and catastrophic failure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710472</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1263039720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>B b b b ut plugging it in is <i>too hard</i>!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>B b b b ut plugging it in is too hard !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>B b b b ut plugging it in is too hard!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710058</id>
	<title>remotes, shaves, toothbrushes, cordless phones, &a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263035640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't really see the point. As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger. You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).</p></div><p>Putting it in a specific location is good because you know where your device is (next to your wallet and keys). You're also assuming you'll only have one pad.</p><p>Have a small pad on your night stand (perhaps incorporated into an alarm clock) to charge your cell phone overnight (if you're on-call and need quick access for 3 AM). Quartz watches can start having rechargeable batteries. If you pick up your device(s) when you leave in the morning, and place them down when you come in the evening, you'll have used the device between 8-12 hours. Then you can leave it there overnight for 12-16 hours worth of charging if you don't go out for the evening.</p><p>Have a similar pad in your car to charge your devices. Another at work, perhaps integrated in a desk lamp or as part of the base of an LCD monitor.</p><p>In the bathroom have a similar pad for recharging cordless shavers and toothbrushes. Have one for the remote control(s) and your cordless phone. Also the wireless remote control for console games, and pads for Bluetooth or RF mice.</p><p>Also 5W is simply the beginning. Nothing says later revisions won't be able to go higher.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really see the point .
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway , I do n't see that it 's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger .
You have to connect it with a location just the same , with this new tech , just the plug is different ( a pad vs a plug ) .Putting it in a specific location is good because you know where your device is ( next to your wallet and keys ) .
You 're also assuming you 'll only have one pad.Have a small pad on your night stand ( perhaps incorporated into an alarm clock ) to charge your cell phone overnight ( if you 're on-call and need quick access for 3 AM ) .
Quartz watches can start having rechargeable batteries .
If you pick up your device ( s ) when you leave in the morning , and place them down when you come in the evening , you 'll have used the device between 8-12 hours .
Then you can leave it there overnight for 12-16 hours worth of charging if you do n't go out for the evening.Have a similar pad in your car to charge your devices .
Another at work , perhaps integrated in a desk lamp or as part of the base of an LCD monitor.In the bathroom have a similar pad for recharging cordless shavers and toothbrushes .
Have one for the remote control ( s ) and your cordless phone .
Also the wireless remote control for console games , and pads for Bluetooth or RF mice.Also 5W is simply the beginning .
Nothing says later revisions wo n't be able to go higher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really see the point.
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger.
You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).Putting it in a specific location is good because you know where your device is (next to your wallet and keys).
You're also assuming you'll only have one pad.Have a small pad on your night stand (perhaps incorporated into an alarm clock) to charge your cell phone overnight (if you're on-call and need quick access for 3 AM).
Quartz watches can start having rechargeable batteries.
If you pick up your device(s) when you leave in the morning, and place them down when you come in the evening, you'll have used the device between 8-12 hours.
Then you can leave it there overnight for 12-16 hours worth of charging if you don't go out for the evening.Have a similar pad in your car to charge your devices.
Another at work, perhaps integrated in a desk lamp or as part of the base of an LCD monitor.In the bathroom have a similar pad for recharging cordless shavers and toothbrushes.
Have one for the remote control(s) and your cordless phone.
Also the wireless remote control for console games, and pads for Bluetooth or RF mice.Also 5W is simply the beginning.
Nothing says later revisions won't be able to go higher.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712978</id>
	<title>Radiation</title>
	<author>diefuchsjagden</author>
	<datestamp>1263065400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will I be able to use the electronic radiation being emitted from the high voltage lines in my backyard? or is that soothing white noise hum the only perk I can get from that, aside from cancer?  Down mod me if you will but the first question is serious would one be able to charge just off the radiation emitted from power lines?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will I be able to use the electronic radiation being emitted from the high voltage lines in my backyard ?
or is that soothing white noise hum the only perk I can get from that , aside from cancer ?
Down mod me if you will but the first question is serious would one be able to charge just off the radiation emitted from power lines ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will I be able to use the electronic radiation being emitted from the high voltage lines in my backyard?
or is that soothing white noise hum the only perk I can get from that, aside from cancer?
Down mod me if you will but the first question is serious would one be able to charge just off the radiation emitted from power lines?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712074</id>
	<title>Re:Not going to happen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263052620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should see someone about that cough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should see someone about that cough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should see someone about that cough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710502</id>
	<title>Re:Strange limitation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263040020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if we turn the power setting to 11?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if we turn the power setting to 11 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if we turn the power setting to 11?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712808</id>
	<title>Convenience, but at what cost?</title>
	<author>WimBo</author>
	<datestamp>1263062580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I keep wondering what the real benefit of wireless power is for the gadget community in general.   Wireless power is going to be less efficient than wired power because of simple physics.  If all of these devices are now designed so that they get power over the air, then we are further wasting electricity.</p><p>I did see the mention of underwater devices that have to be completely sealed, and avoiding breaking that seal makes some sense, but for general devices that are used in the air, I see it all as a big waste of energy for a small offset in convenience.  IT would be better to develop a surface mount magnetic connection that was as universal as USB. (and accepted, similar to the new cell phone charging standards)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I keep wondering what the real benefit of wireless power is for the gadget community in general .
Wireless power is going to be less efficient than wired power because of simple physics .
If all of these devices are now designed so that they get power over the air , then we are further wasting electricity.I did see the mention of underwater devices that have to be completely sealed , and avoiding breaking that seal makes some sense , but for general devices that are used in the air , I see it all as a big waste of energy for a small offset in convenience .
IT would be better to develop a surface mount magnetic connection that was as universal as USB .
( and accepted , similar to the new cell phone charging standards )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I keep wondering what the real benefit of wireless power is for the gadget community in general.
Wireless power is going to be less efficient than wired power because of simple physics.
If all of these devices are now designed so that they get power over the air, then we are further wasting electricity.I did see the mention of underwater devices that have to be completely sealed, and avoiding breaking that seal makes some sense, but for general devices that are used in the air, I see it all as a big waste of energy for a small offset in convenience.
IT would be better to develop a surface mount magnetic connection that was as universal as USB.
(and accepted, similar to the new cell phone charging standards)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709856</id>
	<title>Qi? WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263033420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:<br>"Consumers will know which products are compliant because they'll carry the consortium's "Qi" logo (pronounced "chee" after the Chinese for life force). Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own, but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once."</p><p>Why do they have to keep using 2 letter acronyms for everything? These days two people discussing technology sound like a couple of idiots:<br>Do you have a Qi Wii?<br>No, but I got myself a Qi WiFi WiDi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " Consumers will know which products are compliant because they 'll carry the consortium 's " Qi " logo ( pronounced " chee " after the Chinese for life force ) .
Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own , but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once .
" Why do they have to keep using 2 letter acronyms for everything ?
These days two people discussing technology sound like a couple of idiots : Do you have a Qi Wii ? No , but I got myself a Qi WiFi WiDi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"Consumers will know which products are compliant because they'll carry the consortium's "Qi" logo (pronounced "chee" after the Chinese for life force).
Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own, but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once.
"Why do they have to keep using 2 letter acronyms for everything?
These days two people discussing technology sound like a couple of idiots:Do you have a Qi Wii?No, but I got myself a Qi WiFi WiDi.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712854</id>
	<title>How hard is it, really?</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1263063180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, seriously, how hard is it to come up with a standard for this?</p><p>I'll take a stab:<br><tt><br>5 Ghz, keep power below the FCC limit for uncontrolled emission at at (1 meter or less).<br></tt></p><p>Was that so hard, really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , seriously , how hard is it to come up with a standard for this ? I 'll take a stab : 5 Ghz , keep power below the FCC limit for uncontrolled emission at at ( 1 meter or less ) .Was that so hard , really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, seriously, how hard is it to come up with a standard for this?I'll take a stab:5 Ghz, keep power below the FCC limit for uncontrolled emission at at (1 meter or less).Was that so hard, really?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Copy of the article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263033060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The group developing a standard for wireless charging expects to complete its first specification within six months, opening<br>
   the door for makers of cell phones, digital cameras and other devices to bring compatible products to market.</p><p>Wireless charging lets consumers place gadgets on a mat that plugs into a wall outlet, and have the devices recharge automatically<br>
   without needing to plug in each one. Apart from the gee-whiz factor, it's supposed to make life more convenient by letting<br>
   people walk into their home or office, toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them.</p><p>There are still questions about when standardized products will come to market and how they'll be received, but the Wireless<br>
   Power Consortium aims to finish its first standard before the middle of the year, said Menno Treffers, a Philips executive<br>
   who is chairman of the consortium. If it's not ready by then, "I will eat my hat," he told a group of vendors at the Consumer<br>
   Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Friday.</p><p>The consortium has 27 <a href="http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/about/our-members.html" title="wirelesspo...ortium.com" rel="nofollow">members</a> [wirelesspo...ortium.com] including Nokia, Research In Motion, Philips, Sanyo, Samsung Electronics, Energizer and Hewlett-Packard, as well as component<br>
   and wireless-power technology companies such as Texas Instruments and Fulton Innovation.</p><p>The standard is for a technology called magnetic induction, in which power is transferred between metal coils built into the<br>
   device and the charging mat when they are placed close to each other. The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power,<br>
   which covers most smaller devices. A further standard will be needed for laptops and larger products. "We want to start on<br>
   that as soon as possible, but for now we don't want to dilute our engineering efforts," Treffers said.</p><p>Consumers will know which products are compliant because they'll carry the consortium's <a href="http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/about/our-logo.html" title="wirelesspo...ortium.com" rel="nofollow">"Qi" logo</a> [wirelesspo...ortium.com] (pronounced "chee" after the Chinese for life force). Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat<br>
   of their own, but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at<br>
   once.</p><p>Several wireless power products are already in the market, including a Nintendo accessory from Energizer for recharging Wii<br>
   game controllers, a Dell Latitude Z business laptop that can be recharged by placing it on a stand, and products from Powermat<br>
   for charging phones and other devices. Bosch has shown power tools that are recharged by laying them on a workshelf.</p><p>But a standard is seen as important to wider adoption because it ensures that devices will interoperate. Until it arrives,<br>
   some vendors won't release any further products. "We're done for now until the standard is complete," said Serge Traylor,<br>
   brand manager for charging and rechargeable systems with Energizer. When the standard is done, Energizer will release a mat<br>
   for charging as many as two devices, for about $100, and charging sleeves for iPhone and Blackberry devices, for $30 to $40,<br>
   he said.</p><p>The standardization effort faces several challenges, though. Powermat, one of the leading wireless power companies, has not<br>
   joined the consortium and is selling products using its own technology, which Treffers acknowledged could create confusion<br>
   in the market.</p><p>Some of the most popular gadget makers also are not on board, including Apple. "I have not heard from them," Treffers said.</p><p>He admitted also that the public may have concer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The group developing a standard for wireless charging expects to complete its first specification within six months , opening the door for makers of cell phones , digital cameras and other devices to bring compatible products to market.Wireless charging lets consumers place gadgets on a mat that plugs into a wall outlet , and have the devices recharge automatically without needing to plug in each one .
Apart from the gee-whiz factor , it 's supposed to make life more convenient by letting people walk into their home or office , toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them.There are still questions about when standardized products will come to market and how they 'll be received , but the Wireless Power Consortium aims to finish its first standard before the middle of the year , said Menno Treffers , a Philips executive who is chairman of the consortium .
If it 's not ready by then , " I will eat my hat , " he told a group of vendors at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Friday.The consortium has 27 members [ wirelesspo...ortium.com ] including Nokia , Research In Motion , Philips , Sanyo , Samsung Electronics , Energizer and Hewlett-Packard , as well as component and wireless-power technology companies such as Texas Instruments and Fulton Innovation.The standard is for a technology called magnetic induction , in which power is transferred between metal coils built into the device and the charging mat when they are placed close to each other .
The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power , which covers most smaller devices .
A further standard will be needed for laptops and larger products .
" We want to start on that as soon as possible , but for now we do n't want to dilute our engineering efforts , " Treffers said.Consumers will know which products are compliant because they 'll carry the consortium 's " Qi " logo [ wirelesspo...ortium.com ] ( pronounced " chee " after the Chinese for life force ) .
Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat of their own , but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at once.Several wireless power products are already in the market , including a Nintendo accessory from Energizer for recharging Wii game controllers , a Dell Latitude Z business laptop that can be recharged by placing it on a stand , and products from Powermat for charging phones and other devices .
Bosch has shown power tools that are recharged by laying them on a workshelf.But a standard is seen as important to wider adoption because it ensures that devices will interoperate .
Until it arrives , some vendors wo n't release any further products .
" We 're done for now until the standard is complete , " said Serge Traylor , brand manager for charging and rechargeable systems with Energizer .
When the standard is done , Energizer will release a mat for charging as many as two devices , for about $ 100 , and charging sleeves for iPhone and Blackberry devices , for $ 30 to $ 40 , he said.The standardization effort faces several challenges , though .
Powermat , one of the leading wireless power companies , has not joined the consortium and is selling products using its own technology , which Treffers acknowledged could create confusion in the market.Some of the most popular gadget makers also are not on board , including Apple .
" I have not heard from them , " Treffers said.He admitted also that the public may have concer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The group developing a standard for wireless charging expects to complete its first specification within six months, opening
   the door for makers of cell phones, digital cameras and other devices to bring compatible products to market.Wireless charging lets consumers place gadgets on a mat that plugs into a wall outlet, and have the devices recharge automatically
   without needing to plug in each one.
Apart from the gee-whiz factor, it's supposed to make life more convenient by letting
   people walk into their home or office, toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them.There are still questions about when standardized products will come to market and how they'll be received, but the Wireless
   Power Consortium aims to finish its first standard before the middle of the year, said Menno Treffers, a Philips executive
   who is chairman of the consortium.
If it's not ready by then, "I will eat my hat," he told a group of vendors at the Consumer
   Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Friday.The consortium has 27 members [wirelesspo...ortium.com] including Nokia, Research In Motion, Philips, Sanyo, Samsung Electronics, Energizer and Hewlett-Packard, as well as component
   and wireless-power technology companies such as Texas Instruments and Fulton Innovation.The standard is for a technology called magnetic induction, in which power is transferred between metal coils built into the
   device and the charging mat when they are placed close to each other.
The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power,
   which covers most smaller devices.
A further standard will be needed for laptops and larger products.
"We want to start on
   that as soon as possible, but for now we don't want to dilute our engineering efforts," Treffers said.Consumers will know which products are compliant because they'll carry the consortium's "Qi" logo [wirelesspo...ortium.com] (pronounced "chee" after the Chinese for life force).
Initial products are likely to come bundled with a small charging mat
   of their own, but if the technology takes off other companies are likely to sell mats that can charge multiple devices at
   once.Several wireless power products are already in the market, including a Nintendo accessory from Energizer for recharging Wii
   game controllers, a Dell Latitude Z business laptop that can be recharged by placing it on a stand, and products from Powermat
   for charging phones and other devices.
Bosch has shown power tools that are recharged by laying them on a workshelf.But a standard is seen as important to wider adoption because it ensures that devices will interoperate.
Until it arrives,
   some vendors won't release any further products.
"We're done for now until the standard is complete," said Serge Traylor,
   brand manager for charging and rechargeable systems with Energizer.
When the standard is done, Energizer will release a mat
   for charging as many as two devices, for about $100, and charging sleeves for iPhone and Blackberry devices, for $30 to $40,
   he said.The standardization effort faces several challenges, though.
Powermat, one of the leading wireless power companies, has not
   joined the consortium and is selling products using its own technology, which Treffers acknowledged could create confusion
   in the market.Some of the most popular gadget makers also are not on board, including Apple.
"I have not heard from them," Treffers said.He admitted also that the public may have concer</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Saving power</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263135900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; We all use wireless (inductive) power in other places</p><p>Wrong.  I don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; We all use wireless ( inductive ) power in other placesWrong .
I do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; We all use wireless (inductive) power in other placesWrong.
I don't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710468</id>
	<title>could've happened sooner</title>
	<author>notnAP</author>
	<datestamp>1263039660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but every time they call each other, the calls go straight to voice mail, as if the phones are never turned on. weird.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but every time they call each other , the calls go straight to voice mail , as if the phones are never turned on .
weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but every time they call each other, the calls go straight to voice mail, as if the phones are never turned on.
weird.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710066</id>
	<title>Re:Qi? WTF</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1263035700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why do they have to keep using 2 letter acronyms for everything?</p></div><p>How about you learn what an acronym is. First and foremost it is an abbreviation. If you can't expand it, it's not an abbreviation, and thus not a pronounceable abbreviation: it's just a short trademark.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do they have to keep using 2 letter acronyms for everything ? How about you learn what an acronym is .
First and foremost it is an abbreviation .
If you ca n't expand it , it 's not an abbreviation , and thus not a pronounceable abbreviation : it 's just a short trademark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do they have to keep using 2 letter acronyms for everything?How about you learn what an acronym is.
First and foremost it is an abbreviation.
If you can't expand it, it's not an abbreviation, and thus not a pronounceable abbreviation: it's just a short trademark.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709962</id>
	<title>Re:Correction</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1263034740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Number of times phone stolen from bedside table: 0<br>Number of times phone stolen from office desk: 0</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Number of times phone stolen from bedside table : 0Number of times phone stolen from office desk : 0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number of times phone stolen from bedside table: 0Number of times phone stolen from office desk: 0</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710412</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263039060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How's this for a point:<br>Mount the pad under your coat hooks as a wall covering -- any object contained in anything hung there charges while it sits.</p><p>It could also be stuck in desk drawers or on desktops.  The trick is to make the space large enough that you don't have to be accurate in placement.  I remember a couple of years ago when this tech was first announced, the problem was that the pad was only slightly larger than a cell phone, which makes these things more like coasters than desk covers.  With the original tech, I thought like you do... I'm hoping they've improved things now to make the charging surfaces larger and cheaper to produce.</p><p>The other issue with wireless charging is this: how much does the charging surface consume in watt hours when there's nothing on the surface?  How about when it's under load?  Something tells me it's going to be nowhere near as efficient as plugging in to mains power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How 's this for a point : Mount the pad under your coat hooks as a wall covering -- any object contained in anything hung there charges while it sits.It could also be stuck in desk drawers or on desktops .
The trick is to make the space large enough that you do n't have to be accurate in placement .
I remember a couple of years ago when this tech was first announced , the problem was that the pad was only slightly larger than a cell phone , which makes these things more like coasters than desk covers .
With the original tech , I thought like you do... I 'm hoping they 've improved things now to make the charging surfaces larger and cheaper to produce.The other issue with wireless charging is this : how much does the charging surface consume in watt hours when there 's nothing on the surface ?
How about when it 's under load ?
Something tells me it 's going to be nowhere near as efficient as plugging in to mains power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How's this for a point:Mount the pad under your coat hooks as a wall covering -- any object contained in anything hung there charges while it sits.It could also be stuck in desk drawers or on desktops.
The trick is to make the space large enough that you don't have to be accurate in placement.
I remember a couple of years ago when this tech was first announced, the problem was that the pad was only slightly larger than a cell phone, which makes these things more like coasters than desk covers.
With the original tech, I thought like you do... I'm hoping they've improved things now to make the charging surfaces larger and cheaper to produce.The other issue with wireless charging is this: how much does the charging surface consume in watt hours when there's nothing on the surface?
How about when it's under load?
Something tells me it's going to be nowhere near as efficient as plugging in to mains power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30714694</id>
	<title>Re:This should be BANNED!</title>
	<author>crdotson</author>
	<datestamp>1263141360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I skimmed the comments on this article just to find one like yours, whining about "oooh scary radiation".  Congratulations!</p><p>Note that by your reasoning, you should be equally scared of light bulbs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I skimmed the comments on this article just to find one like yours , whining about " oooh scary radiation " .
Congratulations ! Note that by your reasoning , you should be equally scared of light bulbs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I skimmed the comments on this article just to find one like yours, whining about "oooh scary radiation".
Congratulations!Note that by your reasoning, you should be equally scared of light bulbs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710396</id>
	<title>Fear of power lines...</title>
	<author>HockeyPuck</author>
	<datestamp>1263038940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the public is already afraid of living near power lines (100yds away), what makes these manufacturers think that having a bunch of 'wireless power pads' is going to be any different?  Or is this a case of a rabid chihuahua is no threat due to its size?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the public is already afraid of living near power lines ( 100yds away ) , what makes these manufacturers think that having a bunch of 'wireless power pads ' is going to be any different ?
Or is this a case of a rabid chihuahua is no threat due to its size ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the public is already afraid of living near power lines (100yds away), what makes these manufacturers think that having a bunch of 'wireless power pads' is going to be any different?
Or is this a case of a rabid chihuahua is no threat due to its size?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711762</id>
	<title>Re:Strange limitation</title>
	<author>fluffy99</author>
	<datestamp>1263050040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it's charged.</p></div><p>While the charger may be rated at 5 watts output, the phone battery isn't charging at a full 5 watts if its taking hours. The battery in the iPhone is rated at 5.7 watt-hours (3.7 volts, 1500 mAH).  Even if we estimate the charging process at only 75\% efficient, that should charge it from zero to full in 1.5 hours.  Here is a picture of a replacement Apple 3G battery showing the specs. <a href="http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/28/688/L12455938.jpg" title="overstock.com">http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/28/688/L12455938.jpg</a> [overstock.com]</p><p>Still, I agree that 5-watts is a little low for some devices.  I would have preferred they aimed to match the USB 3.0 spec of 9 watts.</p></div>
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<tokenext>My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it 's charged.While the charger may be rated at 5 watts output , the phone battery is n't charging at a full 5 watts if its taking hours .
The battery in the iPhone is rated at 5.7 watt-hours ( 3.7 volts , 1500 mAH ) .
Even if we estimate the charging process at only 75 \ % efficient , that should charge it from zero to full in 1.5 hours .
Here is a picture of a replacement Apple 3G battery showing the specs .
http : //cdn.overstock.com/images/products/28/688/L12455938.jpg [ overstock.com ] Still , I agree that 5-watts is a little low for some devices .
I would have preferred they aimed to match the USB 3.0 spec of 9 watts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it's charged.While the charger may be rated at 5 watts output, the phone battery isn't charging at a full 5 watts if its taking hours.
The battery in the iPhone is rated at 5.7 watt-hours (3.7 volts, 1500 mAH).
Even if we estimate the charging process at only 75\% efficient, that should charge it from zero to full in 1.5 hours.
Here is a picture of a replacement Apple 3G battery showing the specs.
http://cdn.overstock.com/images/products/28/688/L12455938.jpg [overstock.com]Still, I agree that 5-watts is a little low for some devices.
I would have preferred they aimed to match the USB 3.0 spec of 9 watts.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710144</id>
	<title>curious...</title>
	<author>thestudio\_bob</author>
	<datestamp>1263036720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How efficient are these matts? Last I heard they were only 50\% efficient. Does that mean that if I leave this thing plugged in all the time, it's "waisting" energy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How efficient are these matts ?
Last I heard they were only 50 \ % efficient .
Does that mean that if I leave this thing plugged in all the time , it 's " waisting " energy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How efficient are these matts?
Last I heard they were only 50\% efficient.
Does that mean that if I leave this thing plugged in all the time, it's "waisting" energy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709958</id>
	<title>This is done already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263034620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wireless Charging has been invented already. A Company in Finland has done it http://www.powerkiss.com/ The invention recenlty won an award from EUWIIN http://www.euwiin.eu/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=79</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wireless Charging has been invented already .
A Company in Finland has done it http : //www.powerkiss.com/ The invention recenlty won an award from EUWIIN http : //www.euwiin.eu/index.php ? option = com \ _content&amp;task = view&amp;id = 79</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wireless Charging has been invented already.
A Company in Finland has done it http://www.powerkiss.com/ The invention recenlty won an award from EUWIIN http://www.euwiin.eu/index.php?option=com\_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=79</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30717196</id>
	<title>Relevant TEDTalk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263119460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just saw this earlier this week...A guy named Eric Giler demoed wireless powering of a commercially available flat-screen TV, as well as cell phones.</p><p>This seems really cool to me, especially a few implementations mentioned in the talk (and/or TFA)--installation of larger panels inside walls to automatically power devices simply present in the room, installed in desks for laptops, installed in garage walls or floors to charge plugin electric cars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just saw this earlier this week...A guy named Eric Giler demoed wireless powering of a commercially available flat-screen TV , as well as cell phones.This seems really cool to me , especially a few implementations mentioned in the talk ( and/or TFA ) --installation of larger panels inside walls to automatically power devices simply present in the room , installed in desks for laptops , installed in garage walls or floors to charge plugin electric cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just saw this earlier this week...A guy named Eric Giler demoed wireless powering of a commercially available flat-screen TV, as well as cell phones.This seems really cool to me, especially a few implementations mentioned in the talk (and/or TFA)--installation of larger panels inside walls to automatically power devices simply present in the room, installed in desks for laptops, installed in garage walls or floors to charge plugin electric cars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709994</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263035040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as someone who builds (diy) and also fixes commercial gear, let me splain one thing to you.</p><p>the jacks are pure shit and they fail in very short times if they see any use at all.  most plugs have minimal strain relief and there is NONE at the socket side of things.</p><p>if you go socketless, you have one less thing on the (mp3, phone, etc) to break on its main board.</p><p>of course, you still have the line-out (etc) to worry about breaking, but repeated chargings on cheap connectors (they ALl are cheap chinese connectors) isn't ever a good thing.  removing them is a good thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as someone who builds ( diy ) and also fixes commercial gear , let me splain one thing to you.the jacks are pure shit and they fail in very short times if they see any use at all .
most plugs have minimal strain relief and there is NONE at the socket side of things.if you go socketless , you have one less thing on the ( mp3 , phone , etc ) to break on its main board.of course , you still have the line-out ( etc ) to worry about breaking , but repeated chargings on cheap connectors ( they ALl are cheap chinese connectors ) is n't ever a good thing .
removing them is a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as someone who builds (diy) and also fixes commercial gear, let me splain one thing to you.the jacks are pure shit and they fail in very short times if they see any use at all.
most plugs have minimal strain relief and there is NONE at the socket side of things.if you go socketless, you have one less thing on the (mp3, phone, etc) to break on its main board.of course, you still have the line-out (etc) to worry about breaking, but repeated chargings on cheap connectors (they ALl are cheap chinese connectors) isn't ever a good thing.
removing them is a good thing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710098</id>
	<title>Underwater photography (charging a sealed camera)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263036120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will be a huge boon to me..  One of my hobbies is underwater photography, and as anyone who does that will testify, you always have a nervous moment when you immerse the camera and housing at the start of a dive..<br>This is because you have to seal the camera in a housing, sealed by a multitude of o-rings, each of which need to be cleaned and re-greased every time you open the housing.  When you put the o-rings  back in place, you have to look carefully for a hair, or a speck of grit or dirt, or anything that could compromise the seal in any way.  If you mess up (even a single hair can cause a seal failure), you'll have a lovely view of rising water in your camera housing, and you camera will be so much junk (and you may kill the electronics in the housing too, which is expensive as well!)..<br>This can really put a crimp in a holiday (no more photography for you!  And you did have it insured, didn't you??)..<br>There are really only two common reasons to crack a housing open..  To take the memory card out and back it up, and to recharge the camera/strobe batteries after a dive..<br>As you need to recharge after most dives, nobody's really bothered much with wireless data transmission, but if you can wirelessly recharge, it's simple to add wireless data transfer too, so you'll not have to crack the case 'till you want to change the lens (which isn't too common most of the time) or strip it for cleaning (you could probably get away with once or twice a holiday, if that)..  Much safer!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will be a huge boon to me.. One of my hobbies is underwater photography , and as anyone who does that will testify , you always have a nervous moment when you immerse the camera and housing at the start of a dive..This is because you have to seal the camera in a housing , sealed by a multitude of o-rings , each of which need to be cleaned and re-greased every time you open the housing .
When you put the o-rings back in place , you have to look carefully for a hair , or a speck of grit or dirt , or anything that could compromise the seal in any way .
If you mess up ( even a single hair can cause a seal failure ) , you 'll have a lovely view of rising water in your camera housing , and you camera will be so much junk ( and you may kill the electronics in the housing too , which is expensive as well !
) ..This can really put a crimp in a holiday ( no more photography for you !
And you did have it insured , did n't you ? ?
) ..There are really only two common reasons to crack a housing open.. To take the memory card out and back it up , and to recharge the camera/strobe batteries after a dive..As you need to recharge after most dives , nobody 's really bothered much with wireless data transmission , but if you can wirelessly recharge , it 's simple to add wireless data transfer too , so you 'll not have to crack the case 'till you want to change the lens ( which is n't too common most of the time ) or strip it for cleaning ( you could probably get away with once or twice a holiday , if that ) .. Much safer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will be a huge boon to me..  One of my hobbies is underwater photography, and as anyone who does that will testify, you always have a nervous moment when you immerse the camera and housing at the start of a dive..This is because you have to seal the camera in a housing, sealed by a multitude of o-rings, each of which need to be cleaned and re-greased every time you open the housing.
When you put the o-rings  back in place, you have to look carefully for a hair, or a speck of grit or dirt, or anything that could compromise the seal in any way.
If you mess up (even a single hair can cause a seal failure), you'll have a lovely view of rising water in your camera housing, and you camera will be so much junk (and you may kill the electronics in the housing too, which is expensive as well!
)..This can really put a crimp in a holiday (no more photography for you!
And you did have it insured, didn't you??
)..There are really only two common reasons to crack a housing open..  To take the memory card out and back it up, and to recharge the camera/strobe batteries after a dive..As you need to recharge after most dives, nobody's really bothered much with wireless data transmission, but if you can wirelessly recharge, it's simple to add wireless data transfer too, so you'll not have to crack the case 'till you want to change the lens (which isn't too common most of the time) or strip it for cleaning (you could probably get away with once or twice a holiday, if that)..  Much safer!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710060</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263035640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazing new technology!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)<br>My cordless toothbrushes have been using this type of charging for at least 5 years.  I'm glad to see this "new" "invention" finally come to market in something other than toothbrushes.  I think it was Palm who invented it last year?  That said, it is faster and more convenient than having to connect a cord, plus the connectors don't break.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazing new technology !
; - ) My cordless toothbrushes have been using this type of charging for at least 5 years .
I 'm glad to see this " new " " invention " finally come to market in something other than toothbrushes .
I think it was Palm who invented it last year ?
That said , it is faster and more convenient than having to connect a cord , plus the connectors do n't break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazing new technology!
;-)My cordless toothbrushes have been using this type of charging for at least 5 years.
I'm glad to see this "new" "invention" finally come to market in something other than toothbrushes.
I think it was Palm who invented it last year?
That said, it is faster and more convenient than having to connect a cord, plus the connectors don't break.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709770</id>
	<title>opportunities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263032580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This opens up a wide range of opportunities.... much like microwaves. See what happens when you put other shit on the mat.<br>
Like a lump of really conductive metal.<br>
Or a baby</htmltext>
<tokenext>This opens up a wide range of opportunities.... much like microwaves .
See what happens when you put other shit on the mat .
Like a lump of really conductive metal .
Or a baby</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This opens up a wide range of opportunities.... much like microwaves.
See what happens when you put other shit on the mat.
Like a lump of really conductive metal.
Or a baby</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710106</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>KazW</author>
	<datestamp>1263036240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't really see the point. As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger. You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).</p><p>Wake me when you have a tech that charges my mobile from the moment I step in my home door and leave my mobile in my jacket pocket hanging in the foyer.</p><p>Until that use case can be satisfied, I think this is just the same-old, same-old.</p></div><p>A couple things...
</p><ol>
<li>1) Why would you leave your phone in your jacket pocket anyways? The ringer would be muffled and you'd probably miss calls.</li><li>2) There have been many times I set my phone down by the charger and either forgot to plug it in or I didn't have the plug in all the way, this would eliminate those issues.</li><li>3) This would allow me to charge multiple devices with the same mat, or just have multiple chargers in different locations in my house... I could just get multiple USB port chargers, but then I have to move the cables around and in doing so I might misplace a cable.</li><li>4) When I spend the night out somewhere, I typically take the USB cable for my phone and  borrow an unused USB port, most of the time it's when I go out drinking, so I'm always paranoid about losing my USB cable. With this system I could just use my friend's charging mat, no lost cable worries.</li><li>5) Some form of security would have to be implemented in the house-wide system you mention, so someone couldn't setup up a power siphon outside your house, currently no wireless power systems I've heard of can implement this. The short range of this mat system circumvents any need for security.</li></ol><p>
All in all, this could turn out to be a great universal charging system, and I hope it works out, because this would really simplify my device charging and cable management.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really see the point .
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway , I do n't see that it 's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger .
You have to connect it with a location just the same , with this new tech , just the plug is different ( a pad vs a plug ) .Wake me when you have a tech that charges my mobile from the moment I step in my home door and leave my mobile in my jacket pocket hanging in the foyer.Until that use case can be satisfied , I think this is just the same-old , same-old.A couple things.. . 1 ) Why would you leave your phone in your jacket pocket anyways ?
The ringer would be muffled and you 'd probably miss calls.2 ) There have been many times I set my phone down by the charger and either forgot to plug it in or I did n't have the plug in all the way , this would eliminate those issues.3 ) This would allow me to charge multiple devices with the same mat , or just have multiple chargers in different locations in my house... I could just get multiple USB port chargers , but then I have to move the cables around and in doing so I might misplace a cable.4 ) When I spend the night out somewhere , I typically take the USB cable for my phone and borrow an unused USB port , most of the time it 's when I go out drinking , so I 'm always paranoid about losing my USB cable .
With this system I could just use my friend 's charging mat , no lost cable worries.5 ) Some form of security would have to be implemented in the house-wide system you mention , so someone could n't setup up a power siphon outside your house , currently no wireless power systems I 've heard of can implement this .
The short range of this mat system circumvents any need for security .
All in all , this could turn out to be a great universal charging system , and I hope it works out , because this would really simplify my device charging and cable management .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really see the point.
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger.
You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).Wake me when you have a tech that charges my mobile from the moment I step in my home door and leave my mobile in my jacket pocket hanging in the foyer.Until that use case can be satisfied, I think this is just the same-old, same-old.A couple things...

1) Why would you leave your phone in your jacket pocket anyways?
The ringer would be muffled and you'd probably miss calls.2) There have been many times I set my phone down by the charger and either forgot to plug it in or I didn't have the plug in all the way, this would eliminate those issues.3) This would allow me to charge multiple devices with the same mat, or just have multiple chargers in different locations in my house... I could just get multiple USB port chargers, but then I have to move the cables around and in doing so I might misplace a cable.4) When I spend the night out somewhere, I typically take the USB cable for my phone and  borrow an unused USB port, most of the time it's when I go out drinking, so I'm always paranoid about losing my USB cable.
With this system I could just use my friend's charging mat, no lost cable worries.5) Some form of security would have to be implemented in the house-wide system you mention, so someone couldn't setup up a power siphon outside your house, currently no wireless power systems I've heard of can implement this.
The short range of this mat system circumvents any need for security.
All in all, this could turn out to be a great universal charging system, and I hope it works out, because this would really simplify my device charging and cable management.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30713654</id>
	<title>Re:Underwater photography (charging a sealed camer</title>
	<author>theapeman</author>
	<datestamp>1263122280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It should be easy enough to add a sealed USB socket to the case. So you connect the USB port on the cammera to a lead which runs to the USB socket. This socket can have a waterproof cover which you remove when you want to connect to your PC/charger. It would be easy to seal the USB socket cover, as it can be round and screwed down with O-ring seals.  This could be done with todays cameras - if they allowed you to charge the battery via the USB connection.

You could also test the seals on the case before diving.
You would need a chamber large enough to contain the camera in its case. Pressurize the chamber and watch a pressure gauge inside the case - if the gauge does not rise then you have a good seal.

So what you want is a case manufacturer to build a housing with an external power/usb connector. The power could be used to charge batteries in the housing which drive any electronics in the housing, and also provide power to the camera (via its DC connector) and any strobe lights. The housing would also have a built-in pressure gauge for testing. This would probably be cheaper than buying a new camera, and could be applied to any existing camera.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be easy enough to add a sealed USB socket to the case .
So you connect the USB port on the cammera to a lead which runs to the USB socket .
This socket can have a waterproof cover which you remove when you want to connect to your PC/charger .
It would be easy to seal the USB socket cover , as it can be round and screwed down with O-ring seals .
This could be done with todays cameras - if they allowed you to charge the battery via the USB connection .
You could also test the seals on the case before diving .
You would need a chamber large enough to contain the camera in its case .
Pressurize the chamber and watch a pressure gauge inside the case - if the gauge does not rise then you have a good seal .
So what you want is a case manufacturer to build a housing with an external power/usb connector .
The power could be used to charge batteries in the housing which drive any electronics in the housing , and also provide power to the camera ( via its DC connector ) and any strobe lights .
The housing would also have a built-in pressure gauge for testing .
This would probably be cheaper than buying a new camera , and could be applied to any existing camera .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be easy enough to add a sealed USB socket to the case.
So you connect the USB port on the cammera to a lead which runs to the USB socket.
This socket can have a waterproof cover which you remove when you want to connect to your PC/charger.
It would be easy to seal the USB socket cover, as it can be round and screwed down with O-ring seals.
This could be done with todays cameras - if they allowed you to charge the battery via the USB connection.
You could also test the seals on the case before diving.
You would need a chamber large enough to contain the camera in its case.
Pressurize the chamber and watch a pressure gauge inside the case - if the gauge does not rise then you have a good seal.
So what you want is a case manufacturer to build a housing with an external power/usb connector.
The power could be used to charge batteries in the housing which drive any electronics in the housing, and also provide power to the camera (via its DC connector) and any strobe lights.
The housing would also have a built-in pressure gauge for testing.
This would probably be cheaper than buying a new camera, and could be applied to any existing camera.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30714076</id>
	<title>Impressive</title>
	<author>AmazingChicken</author>
	<datestamp>1263132120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ooooohhhhhh.     <i>Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooooohhhhhh .
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooooohhhhhh.
Aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710918</id>
	<title>magnetic media eraser?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263043380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What will happen if a magnetic medium such as a diskette or magnetic tape is left on it? It's hard enough keeping them away from mobile phones and CRT degaussers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What will happen if a magnetic medium such as a diskette or magnetic tape is left on it ?
It 's hard enough keeping them away from mobile phones and CRT degaussers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will happen if a magnetic medium such as a diskette or magnetic tape is left on it?
It's hard enough keeping them away from mobile phones and CRT degaussers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709804</id>
	<title>Not going to happen...</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1263032880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've tried doing this with physical plugs to no avail, even if one half conforms to a standard there will always be a few very popular device manufacturers -cough- Apple -cough- who will break the trend and inconvenience a large amount of users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've tried doing this with physical plugs to no avail , even if one half conforms to a standard there will always be a few very popular device manufacturers -cough- Apple -cough- who will break the trend and inconvenience a large amount of users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've tried doing this with physical plugs to no avail, even if one half conforms to a standard there will always be a few very popular device manufacturers -cough- Apple -cough- who will break the trend and inconvenience a large amount of users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710176</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263036960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least you won't need a gazillion different chargers anymore for every gadget around the house.</p><p>But alas. That's just wishful thinking. Of course an Apple devices will only work with Apple mats etc. Hoping otherwise is just naive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least you wo n't need a gazillion different chargers anymore for every gadget around the house.But alas .
That 's just wishful thinking .
Of course an Apple devices will only work with Apple mats etc .
Hoping otherwise is just naive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least you won't need a gazillion different chargers anymore for every gadget around the house.But alas.
That's just wishful thinking.
Of course an Apple devices will only work with Apple mats etc.
Hoping otherwise is just naive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711812</id>
	<title>Re:Not going to happen...</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1263050400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No problem! We'll just have an adaptor/receiver that you plug into your old adaptor. This will receive wireless power, convert it back to 120/240V AC, then power your old wired adaptor.</p></div><p>You can't plug something into a wireless power source, it's wireless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No problem !
We 'll just have an adaptor/receiver that you plug into your old adaptor .
This will receive wireless power , convert it back to 120/240V AC , then power your old wired adaptor.You ca n't plug something into a wireless power source , it 's wireless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problem!
We'll just have an adaptor/receiver that you plug into your old adaptor.
This will receive wireless power, convert it back to 120/240V AC, then power your old wired adaptor.You can't plug something into a wireless power source, it's wireless.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709826</id>
	<title>Re:Not going to happen...</title>
	<author>xyph0r</author>
	<datestamp>1263033000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Furthermore, if it's just a mat with no physical contact needed between the erm... contacts, slight differences in standards could cause major, battery-exploding issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Furthermore , if it 's just a mat with no physical contact needed between the erm... contacts , slight differences in standards could cause major , battery-exploding issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Furthermore, if it's just a mat with no physical contact needed between the erm... contacts, slight differences in standards could cause major, battery-exploding issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710002</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Ragzouken</author>
	<datestamp>1263035100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The plug is absent, saving you the 'plug in' step that comes before the 'place on surface' step.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The plug is absent , saving you the 'plug in ' step that comes before the 'place on surface ' step .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The plug is absent, saving you the 'plug in' step that comes before the 'place on surface' step.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710138</id>
	<title>Re:This is done already</title>
	<author>Quantos</author>
	<datestamp>1263036600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You guys do realize that there was a fellow named Tesla that did some really ground breaking work on this originally, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys do realize that there was a fellow named Tesla that did some really ground breaking work on this originally , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys do realize that there was a fellow named Tesla that did some really ground breaking work on this originally, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710082</id>
	<title>Free recharge :D</title>
	<author>saikou</author>
	<datestamp>1263035940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If something like that will happen, I can imagine neighborhood teenagers suspiciously lounging about near your place. Because their newest cell phones will be recharged for free<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>Of course you can lock down "over the air" emissions by shielding that room... but it means your cell, while charging, won't be able to receive/place calls. Which would require a femtocell inside that charging room, which makes it all even more expensive.</p><p>So... please pull your gadgets out of the pocket and put them on the mat for now.<br>Thanks<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If something like that will happen , I can imagine neighborhood teenagers suspiciously lounging about near your place .
Because their newest cell phones will be recharged for free : ) Of course you can lock down " over the air " emissions by shielding that room... but it means your cell , while charging , wo n't be able to receive/place calls .
Which would require a femtocell inside that charging room , which makes it all even more expensive.So... please pull your gadgets out of the pocket and put them on the mat for now.Thanks : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If something like that will happen, I can imagine neighborhood teenagers suspiciously lounging about near your place.
Because their newest cell phones will be recharged for free :)Of course you can lock down "over the air" emissions by shielding that room... but it means your cell, while charging, won't be able to receive/place calls.
Which would require a femtocell inside that charging room, which makes it all even more expensive.So... please pull your gadgets out of the pocket and put them on the mat for now.Thanks :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30714084</id>
	<title>Re:This should be BANNED!</title>
	<author>AmazingChicken</author>
	<datestamp>1263132180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know some politicians [and middle managers] who would be interested</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know some politicians [ and middle managers ] who would be interested</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know some politicians [and middle managers] who would be interested</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710128</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1263036480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't really see the point.</p></div><p>Instead of twelve wires leading to twelve plugs going to a powerstrip or two before reaching the wall for a dozen devices, you have one wire going to the wall and the devices on a flat surface which may if you like be cluttered with other non-charging devices. Or you build it into your countertop or other piece of furniture so you don't even see that wire.</p><p>No, the real problem is that these devices needing charging are mobile, and continue to be mobile when used in the home. People want to keep their iPods with them to listen to their playlists while walking room-to-room and their phones so they can answer them instead of forgetting them in one room while they're in another. You'd need a pad in easy reach in every room where someone spends any amount of time motionless: coffee table, kitchen counter, bedside table, bathroom counter, back of the toilet....</p><p>A desk "blotter" that also charges the wireless keyboard and mouse, now <em>that's</em> useful!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really see the point.Instead of twelve wires leading to twelve plugs going to a powerstrip or two before reaching the wall for a dozen devices , you have one wire going to the wall and the devices on a flat surface which may if you like be cluttered with other non-charging devices .
Or you build it into your countertop or other piece of furniture so you do n't even see that wire.No , the real problem is that these devices needing charging are mobile , and continue to be mobile when used in the home .
People want to keep their iPods with them to listen to their playlists while walking room-to-room and their phones so they can answer them instead of forgetting them in one room while they 're in another .
You 'd need a pad in easy reach in every room where someone spends any amount of time motionless : coffee table , kitchen counter , bedside table , bathroom counter , back of the toilet....A desk " blotter " that also charges the wireless keyboard and mouse , now that 's useful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really see the point.Instead of twelve wires leading to twelve plugs going to a powerstrip or two before reaching the wall for a dozen devices, you have one wire going to the wall and the devices on a flat surface which may if you like be cluttered with other non-charging devices.
Or you build it into your countertop or other piece of furniture so you don't even see that wire.No, the real problem is that these devices needing charging are mobile, and continue to be mobile when used in the home.
People want to keep their iPods with them to listen to their playlists while walking room-to-room and their phones so they can answer them instead of forgetting them in one room while they're in another.
You'd need a pad in easy reach in every room where someone spends any amount of time motionless: coffee table, kitchen counter, bedside table, bathroom counter, back of the toilet....A desk "blotter" that also charges the wireless keyboard and mouse, now that's useful!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712004</id>
	<title>energy loss</title>
	<author>Fuzzums</author>
	<datestamp>1263051900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the fact that this process inevitably will cost more energy than plugging the device is seems unimportant...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the fact that this process inevitably will cost more energy than plugging the device is seems unimportant.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the fact that this process inevitably will cost more energy than plugging the device is seems unimportant...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711804</id>
	<title>Re:Saving power</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1263050280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Charging mats will recognize when a device is fully charged and then consume a trickle of energy in standby mode</p></div><p>Okay thats interesting. We all use wireless (inductive) power in other places and while, yeah, the cheap plugpack segment is mostly switchmode now I wonder if there are places where the efficency of transformers could be improved with a digital back channel which says <i>send me this much power</i>.</p></div><p>Isn't that how transformers work - the power consumed is directly proportional to the power provided? It seems to me that a wireless system would be like a transformer, except with an air gap instead of a soft iron core.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Charging mats will recognize when a device is fully charged and then consume a trickle of energy in standby modeOkay thats interesting .
We all use wireless ( inductive ) power in other places and while , yeah , the cheap plugpack segment is mostly switchmode now I wonder if there are places where the efficency of transformers could be improved with a digital back channel which says send me this much power.Is n't that how transformers work - the power consumed is directly proportional to the power provided ?
It seems to me that a wireless system would be like a transformer , except with an air gap instead of a soft iron core .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charging mats will recognize when a device is fully charged and then consume a trickle of energy in standby modeOkay thats interesting.
We all use wireless (inductive) power in other places and while, yeah, the cheap plugpack segment is mostly switchmode now I wonder if there are places where the efficency of transformers could be improved with a digital back channel which says send me this much power.Isn't that how transformers work - the power consumed is directly proportional to the power provided?
It seems to me that a wireless system would be like a transformer, except with an air gap instead of a soft iron core.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710220</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1263037320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You must not go through the plug/unplug ritual much. It's a pain, cords tend to get lost, you don't have enough cords for every location, and the connectors wear out. Sure they are working on standards for wireless power that don't require a specific location but why not take advantage of what works for now?

I for one am eagerly awaiting support from all the handheld devices I use frequently. I'd love to have a desk where the entire surface can charge devices and a laptop that can charge that way. I've considered getting one of the cases for my iPod Touch that charges it this way but I'd rather see a standard before I spend my money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You must not go through the plug/unplug ritual much .
It 's a pain , cords tend to get lost , you do n't have enough cords for every location , and the connectors wear out .
Sure they are working on standards for wireless power that do n't require a specific location but why not take advantage of what works for now ?
I for one am eagerly awaiting support from all the handheld devices I use frequently .
I 'd love to have a desk where the entire surface can charge devices and a laptop that can charge that way .
I 've considered getting one of the cases for my iPod Touch that charges it this way but I 'd rather see a standard before I spend my money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must not go through the plug/unplug ritual much.
It's a pain, cords tend to get lost, you don't have enough cords for every location, and the connectors wear out.
Sure they are working on standards for wireless power that don't require a specific location but why not take advantage of what works for now?
I for one am eagerly awaiting support from all the handheld devices I use frequently.
I'd love to have a desk where the entire surface can charge devices and a laptop that can charge that way.
I've considered getting one of the cases for my iPod Touch that charges it this way but I'd rather see a standard before I spend my money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712292</id>
	<title>Timely article...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263055320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I JUST watched this TED talk earlier this week.  I have to say, the ideas and implementation in the video seem pretty damn cool to me.  E.g existing models that can power flat-screen TV's and would be installed in the wall, no need for a power cord, installed in a desk to automatically charge your laptop, or (the coolest to me) in the walls of your garage to charge your plugin electric car.</p><p>http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/eric\_giler\_demos\_wireless\_electricity.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I JUST watched this TED talk earlier this week .
I have to say , the ideas and implementation in the video seem pretty damn cool to me .
E.g existing models that can power flat-screen TV 's and would be installed in the wall , no need for a power cord , installed in a desk to automatically charge your laptop , or ( the coolest to me ) in the walls of your garage to charge your plugin electric car.http : //www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/eric \ _giler \ _demos \ _wireless \ _electricity.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I JUST watched this TED talk earlier this week.
I have to say, the ideas and implementation in the video seem pretty damn cool to me.
E.g existing models that can power flat-screen TV's and would be installed in the wall, no need for a power cord, installed in a desk to automatically charge your laptop, or (the coolest to me) in the walls of your garage to charge your plugin electric car.http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/eric\_giler\_demos\_wireless\_electricity.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709860</id>
	<title>Strange limitation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263033420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article mentions "The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power, which covers most smaller devices. "</p><p>This sounds like a pretty low limit to me. My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it's charged. Now imagine you buy one of those matts and your family or colleagues throw their phones on the matt as well. At the end of the day, they might not even be charged!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions " The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power , which covers most smaller devices .
" This sounds like a pretty low limit to me .
My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it 's charged .
Now imagine you buy one of those matts and your family or colleagues throw their phones on the matt as well .
At the end of the day , they might not even be charged !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions "The standard is for delivering up to 5 watts of power, which covers most smaller devices.
"This sounds like a pretty low limit to me.
My iPhone charger delivers 5 watts and it takes hours before it's charged.
Now imagine you buy one of those matts and your family or colleagues throw their phones on the matt as well.
At the end of the day, they might not even be charged!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711024</id>
	<title>No, there's a very important point.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263044220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason for this is because wireless induction charging is a lossy process.  It cannot be made as efficient as wired charging.  There's some basic physical realities that must be observed.</p><p>There are a great many people in this world who are ardent believers in "The Tragedy of the Commons" and "social darwinism" and "Devil take the hindmost is good for the species" to quote a few favorite chestnuts.</p><p>These people do not like the idea that you can get food, air and water without paying for it.  They believe that only the hereditary aristocracy, who have been selected by capitalism itself, should ever get anything without laboring for it.  Therefore, pollution is good since it makes free air and water a thing of the past; you will buy your air and water from the air and water markets, or you will die and make room for a stronger man.</p><p>Y'all think I'm raving, or that I'm trolling, or whatever you want.  I have been in the room with Reaganista millionaires who have been quite frank about their objectives.  They <i>want</i> pollution, and they are willing to buy and sell presidents like bars of soap.  They  <i>love</i> wireless power, it wastes energy.  They love war in the middle east, too - it's one of the quickest ways to pour carbon into the atmosphere, and at the same time it drives up prices at home and helps legitimize coal burning.  Anything that gets them closer to total destruction of all commons is considered a win.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason for this is because wireless induction charging is a lossy process .
It can not be made as efficient as wired charging .
There 's some basic physical realities that must be observed.There are a great many people in this world who are ardent believers in " The Tragedy of the Commons " and " social darwinism " and " Devil take the hindmost is good for the species " to quote a few favorite chestnuts.These people do not like the idea that you can get food , air and water without paying for it .
They believe that only the hereditary aristocracy , who have been selected by capitalism itself , should ever get anything without laboring for it .
Therefore , pollution is good since it makes free air and water a thing of the past ; you will buy your air and water from the air and water markets , or you will die and make room for a stronger man.Y'all think I 'm raving , or that I 'm trolling , or whatever you want .
I have been in the room with Reaganista millionaires who have been quite frank about their objectives .
They want pollution , and they are willing to buy and sell presidents like bars of soap .
They love wireless power , it wastes energy .
They love war in the middle east , too - it 's one of the quickest ways to pour carbon into the atmosphere , and at the same time it drives up prices at home and helps legitimize coal burning .
Anything that gets them closer to total destruction of all commons is considered a win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason for this is because wireless induction charging is a lossy process.
It cannot be made as efficient as wired charging.
There's some basic physical realities that must be observed.There are a great many people in this world who are ardent believers in "The Tragedy of the Commons" and "social darwinism" and "Devil take the hindmost is good for the species" to quote a few favorite chestnuts.These people do not like the idea that you can get food, air and water without paying for it.
They believe that only the hereditary aristocracy, who have been selected by capitalism itself, should ever get anything without laboring for it.
Therefore, pollution is good since it makes free air and water a thing of the past; you will buy your air and water from the air and water markets, or you will die and make room for a stronger man.Y'all think I'm raving, or that I'm trolling, or whatever you want.
I have been in the room with Reaganista millionaires who have been quite frank about their objectives.
They want pollution, and they are willing to buy and sell presidents like bars of soap.
They  love wireless power, it wastes energy.
They love war in the middle east, too - it's one of the quickest ways to pour carbon into the atmosphere, and at the same time it drives up prices at home and helps legitimize coal burning.
Anything that gets them closer to total destruction of all commons is considered a win.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710164</id>
	<title>Re:Strange limitation</title>
	<author>lobiusmoop</author>
	<datestamp>1263036840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The trouble is that these devices use exactly the same principles as radio transmitters do - if you increase the power then you start screwing up radio broadcasts at whatever frequency it is you are using to transmit the power - not good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble is that these devices use exactly the same principles as radio transmitters do - if you increase the power then you start screwing up radio broadcasts at whatever frequency it is you are using to transmit the power - not good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble is that these devices use exactly the same principles as radio transmitters do - if you increase the power then you start screwing up radio broadcasts at whatever frequency it is you are using to transmit the power - not good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710714</id>
	<title>Rugged, more sturdy devices</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1263041700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will be much easier to make a device more rugged (also mobile phones looking otherwise quite stylish; check Nokia 3720 classic)  if it doesn't need to have any plugs.</p><p>This for power, Bluetooth/etc. for connectivity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will be much easier to make a device more rugged ( also mobile phones looking otherwise quite stylish ; check Nokia 3720 classic ) if it does n't need to have any plugs.This for power , Bluetooth/etc .
for connectivity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will be much easier to make a device more rugged (also mobile phones looking otherwise quite stylish; check Nokia 3720 classic)  if it doesn't need to have any plugs.This for power, Bluetooth/etc.
for connectivity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709946</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Phybersyk0</author>
	<datestamp>1263034500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you seriously gotten so lazy that you can't even SET SOMETHING DOWN?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you seriously gotten so lazy that you ca n't even SET SOMETHING DOWN ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you seriously gotten so lazy that you can't even SET SOMETHING DOWN?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709954</id>
	<title>Sure to be a hit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263034560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>With all the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. users saying "this is going to be pointless," and "it's already easy enough as it is," this is sure to be a hit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With all the / .
users saying " this is going to be pointless , " and " it 's already easy enough as it is , " this is sure to be a hit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With all the /.
users saying "this is going to be pointless," and "it's already easy enough as it is," this is sure to be a hit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710382</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263038700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I don't really see the point. As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger. You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).</i> <br> <br>

My wife and I have several devices (phones, MP3 players, etc) that we charge in one location and the rats nest of wires and connectors is a nightmare. Personally, I find the idea of dropping my devices on a mat and not having to figure out which connector goes with my phone or my MP3 player or my camera, quite appealing. Not to mention, I don't have to have 20 adapters in the wall, which is another bonus. I can see the mats appealing to a lot of people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really see the point .
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway , I do n't see that it 's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger .
You have to connect it with a location just the same , with this new tech , just the plug is different ( a pad vs a plug ) .
My wife and I have several devices ( phones , MP3 players , etc ) that we charge in one location and the rats nest of wires and connectors is a nightmare .
Personally , I find the idea of dropping my devices on a mat and not having to figure out which connector goes with my phone or my MP3 player or my camera , quite appealing .
Not to mention , I do n't have to have 20 adapters in the wall , which is another bonus .
I can see the mats appealing to a lot of people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really see the point.
As long as you have to put the device in a specific location anyway, I don't see that it's much of an improvement over having to connect it with your charger.
You have to connect it with a location just the same, with this new tech, just the plug is different (a pad vs a plug).
My wife and I have several devices (phones, MP3 players, etc) that we charge in one location and the rats nest of wires and connectors is a nightmare.
Personally, I find the idea of dropping my devices on a mat and not having to figure out which connector goes with my phone or my MP3 player or my camera, quite appealing.
Not to mention, I don't have to have 20 adapters in the wall, which is another bonus.
I can see the mats appealing to a lot of people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709790</id>
	<title>Correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263032760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about them</p></div></blockquote><p>Great, another place where my phone can be stolen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about themGreat , another place where my phone can be stolen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>toss their gadgets onto a mat to recharge and forget about themGreat, another place where my phone can be stolen.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30713244</id>
	<title>This should be BANNED!</title>
	<author>upuv</author>
	<datestamp>1263156360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK does any one else see this as completely nuts?</p><p>At the moment the power output is relatively low.  5 watts ish.  Lets think about this.  This is BROADCAST POWER.  It's going to leak into everything around it.  There will be no such thing as 95\% efficient transfer of power.   So where does this residual power go.  Well into everything around it.  The closer something is the more it will receive.</p><p>Very simple chemistry here.  Entropy increase with energy.  Entropy can simple be defined as the desire of a substance to reach it most random and natural state.  ( There is probably a more accurate definition than that. )  AKA Entropy is all about things BREAKING DOWN.  So if we add energy to a "thing" it ultimately will break down faster.</p><p>I'm sorry but I don't want to be walking around in yet more energy radiation fields.  Especially one designed to transmit POWER AKA ENERGY.</p><p>5 watts gives way to 10 watts gives away to 25 watts gives away to stupid amounts of power.  As "improvements" and legislation allow higher and higher output.</p><p>This also strikes me as the most un-green tech out there.  Simply a device that radiates POWER.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK does any one else see this as completely nuts ? At the moment the power output is relatively low .
5 watts ish .
Lets think about this .
This is BROADCAST POWER .
It 's going to leak into everything around it .
There will be no such thing as 95 \ % efficient transfer of power .
So where does this residual power go .
Well into everything around it .
The closer something is the more it will receive.Very simple chemistry here .
Entropy increase with energy .
Entropy can simple be defined as the desire of a substance to reach it most random and natural state .
( There is probably a more accurate definition than that .
) AKA Entropy is all about things BREAKING DOWN .
So if we add energy to a " thing " it ultimately will break down faster.I 'm sorry but I do n't want to be walking around in yet more energy radiation fields .
Especially one designed to transmit POWER AKA ENERGY.5 watts gives way to 10 watts gives away to 25 watts gives away to stupid amounts of power .
As " improvements " and legislation allow higher and higher output.This also strikes me as the most un-green tech out there .
Simply a device that radiates POWER .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK does any one else see this as completely nuts?At the moment the power output is relatively low.
5 watts ish.
Lets think about this.
This is BROADCAST POWER.
It's going to leak into everything around it.
There will be no such thing as 95\% efficient transfer of power.
So where does this residual power go.
Well into everything around it.
The closer something is the more it will receive.Very simple chemistry here.
Entropy increase with energy.
Entropy can simple be defined as the desire of a substance to reach it most random and natural state.
( There is probably a more accurate definition than that.
)  AKA Entropy is all about things BREAKING DOWN.
So if we add energy to a "thing" it ultimately will break down faster.I'm sorry but I don't want to be walking around in yet more energy radiation fields.
Especially one designed to transmit POWER AKA ENERGY.5 watts gives way to 10 watts gives away to 25 watts gives away to stupid amounts of power.
As "improvements" and legislation allow higher and higher output.This also strikes me as the most un-green tech out there.
Simply a device that radiates POWER.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30712138</id>
	<title>Re:Correction</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1263053220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Great, another place where my phone can be stolen.</i><br>I don't see how putting it on a charge mat on your desk is any worse from a theft point of view than putting it on your desk and plugging in a charge cable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , another place where my phone can be stolen.I do n't see how putting it on a charge mat on your desk is any worse from a theft point of view than putting it on your desk and plugging in a charge cable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, another place where my phone can be stolen.I don't see how putting it on a charge mat on your desk is any worse from a theft point of view than putting it on your desk and plugging in a charge cable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30725766</id>
	<title>Re:This should be BANNED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263236940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a NUTCASE. Also, stop using CAPS to emphasize your POINTS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a NUTCASE .
Also , stop using CAPS to emphasize your POINTS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a NUTCASE.
Also, stop using CAPS to emphasize your POINTS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30711654</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1263049140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been a long time since the last time I've had a broken jack on an electronic device.  It's fine if other people want this wireless standard.  However, if it means slower data transfer, likely slower charging, adding a bit of weight and thickness, at a higher cost, only to make it slightly more reliable, I'll be a late adopter on this particular idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been a long time since the last time I 've had a broken jack on an electronic device .
It 's fine if other people want this wireless standard .
However , if it means slower data transfer , likely slower charging , adding a bit of weight and thickness , at a higher cost , only to make it slightly more reliable , I 'll be a late adopter on this particular idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been a long time since the last time I've had a broken jack on an electronic device.
It's fine if other people want this wireless standard.
However, if it means slower data transfer, likely slower charging, adding a bit of weight and thickness, at a higher cost, only to make it slightly more reliable, I'll be a late adopter on this particular idea.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30710256</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>DavidD\_CA</author>
	<datestamp>1263037680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is better than having a million different plugs/adaptors/dongles.</p><p>I'd love to see a car outfitted with a special version of this, too.</p><p>Hotel rooms can have one, on the night stand, as a nice feature for their guests.</p><p>Any office desk could definitely benefit from one.  Less wiring clutter.  Only downside is no USB sync (yet).</p><p>There are plenty of uses.  They're all moot unless there is an industry-wide standard, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is better than having a million different plugs/adaptors/dongles.I 'd love to see a car outfitted with a special version of this , too.Hotel rooms can have one , on the night stand , as a nice feature for their guests.Any office desk could definitely benefit from one .
Less wiring clutter .
Only downside is no USB sync ( yet ) .There are plenty of uses .
They 're all moot unless there is an industry-wide standard , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is better than having a million different plugs/adaptors/dongles.I'd love to see a car outfitted with a special version of this, too.Hotel rooms can have one, on the night stand, as a nice feature for their guests.Any office desk could definitely benefit from one.
Less wiring clutter.
Only downside is no USB sync (yet).There are plenty of uses.
They're all moot unless there is an industry-wide standard, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30714326</id>
	<title>Re:This should be BANNED!</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1263136560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Minor detail, AFAIK it's physics.  In the main, however, you do voice my own doubts as well.</p><p>I have yet to come across ANY wireless transmission method that didn't incorporate a degree of loss.</p><p>I would have been FAR more interested in getting at last a Really Universal Power Supply (let's call it a RUPS) that could feed everything I jacked into it.  My problem isn't plugging in, my problem is the vast plethora of chargers required to keep all this stuff going, which has partially driven my preference for anything USB connected.</p><p>However, from an eco perspective we're leaving the most obvious elements untouched: neon power lights.  With what one of these uses you can almost light a room by using LEDs, yet they're in almost any power block I've used last year..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Minor detail , AFAIK it 's physics .
In the main , however , you do voice my own doubts as well.I have yet to come across ANY wireless transmission method that did n't incorporate a degree of loss.I would have been FAR more interested in getting at last a Really Universal Power Supply ( let 's call it a RUPS ) that could feed everything I jacked into it .
My problem is n't plugging in , my problem is the vast plethora of chargers required to keep all this stuff going , which has partially driven my preference for anything USB connected.However , from an eco perspective we 're leaving the most obvious elements untouched : neon power lights .
With what one of these uses you can almost light a room by using LEDs , yet they 're in almost any power block I 've used last year. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Minor detail, AFAIK it's physics.
In the main, however, you do voice my own doubts as well.I have yet to come across ANY wireless transmission method that didn't incorporate a degree of loss.I would have been FAR more interested in getting at last a Really Universal Power Supply (let's call it a RUPS) that could feed everything I jacked into it.
My problem isn't plugging in, my problem is the vast plethora of chargers required to keep all this stuff going, which has partially driven my preference for anything USB connected.However, from an eco perspective we're leaving the most obvious elements untouched: neon power lights.
With what one of these uses you can almost light a room by using LEDs, yet they're in almost any power block I've used last year..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30713102</id>
	<title>Head cancer!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263153780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Scott is clearly behind this. It's a cunning plan to get one of these devices into Terrance and Phillip's house and give them both head cancer.</p><p>Head cancer!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Scott is clearly behind this .
It 's a cunning plan to get one of these devices into Terrance and Phillip 's house and give them both head cancer.Head cancer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Scott is clearly behind this.
It's a cunning plan to get one of these devices into Terrance and Phillip's house and give them both head cancer.Head cancer!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709930</id>
	<title>Re:Not going to happen...</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1263034260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's USB and in the EU manufacturers have agreed to a universal charger: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jun/30/universal-mobile-phone-charger" title="guardian.co.uk">http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jun/30/universal-mobile-phone-charger</a> [guardian.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's USB and in the EU manufacturers have agreed to a universal charger : http : //www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jun/30/universal-mobile-phone-charger [ guardian.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's USB and in the EU manufacturers have agreed to a universal charger: http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2009/jun/30/universal-mobile-phone-charger [guardian.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30709952</id>
	<title>man that wifi lawsuit guys i going to be unhappy.</title>
	<author>the simurgh</author>
	<datestamp>1263034500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>seriously he gets upset about wifi and a cellphone imagine this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>seriously he gets upset about wifi and a cellphone imagine this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seriously he gets upset about wifi and a cellphone imagine this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_1956231.30715172</id>
	<title>USB standards</title>
	<author>Overzeetop</author>
	<datestamp>1263146400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is a late response, but I didn't see it in the children comments:</p><p>USB is capable of delivering 5V at 1A, or 5W of power, per port in its maximum configuration. This is likely where the spec came from, since most manufacturers are moving towards the mini-usb as a power source. By providing the current standard limit, most device designs will already conform downstream of the induction coil. They've simply designed to the marketplace.</p><p>What they didn't necessarily consider is that it would be great if we could get 10-20W out of a charger to get this !@#$\% charged a little faster.  Especially things like phones, which can take a significant fraction of that 5W to operate under heavy use conditions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is a late response , but I did n't see it in the children comments : USB is capable of delivering 5V at 1A , or 5W of power , per port in its maximum configuration .
This is likely where the spec came from , since most manufacturers are moving towards the mini-usb as a power source .
By providing the current standard limit , most device designs will already conform downstream of the induction coil .
They 've simply designed to the marketplace.What they did n't necessarily consider is that it would be great if we could get 10-20W out of a charger to get this !
@ # $ \ % charged a little faster .
Especially things like phones , which can take a significant fraction of that 5W to operate under heavy use conditions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is a late response, but I didn't see it in the children comments:USB is capable of delivering 5V at 1A, or 5W of power, per port in its maximum configuration.
This is likely where the spec came from, since most manufacturers are moving towards the mini-usb as a power source.
By providing the current standard limit, most device designs will already conform downstream of the induction coil.
They've simply designed to the marketplace.What they didn't necessarily consider is that it would be great if we could get 10-20W out of a charger to get this !
@#$\% charged a little faster.
Especially things like phones, which can take a significant fraction of that 5W to operate under heavy use conditions.</sentencetext>
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