<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article10_01_09_012207</id>
	<title>Recession Turning Software Auditors Into Greedy Traffic Cops</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1263048360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>judgecorp writes <i>"As the recession bites, <a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/software-auditors-crack-down-as-recession-bites-2970">software auditors are cracking down</a>, and some are simply exploiting loopholes and technicalities to meet their targets, according to <a href="http://www.forrester.com/rb/Research/surviving\_software\_license\_audit/q/id/55856/t/2">analyst Forrester</a>. They may be within their rights, but they aren't endearing themselves to users; Steve Ballmer <a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/ballmer-admits-windows-licensing--gotchas--1989">faced weary customers in London</a> last year, and admitted Windows licenses have deliberate 'gotchas.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>judgecorp writes " As the recession bites , software auditors are cracking down , and some are simply exploiting loopholes and technicalities to meet their targets , according to analyst Forrester .
They may be within their rights , but they are n't endearing themselves to users ; Steve Ballmer faced weary customers in London last year , and admitted Windows licenses have deliberate 'gotchas .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>judgecorp writes "As the recession bites, software auditors are cracking down, and some are simply exploiting loopholes and technicalities to meet their targets, according to analyst Forrester.
They may be within their rights, but they aren't endearing themselves to users; Steve Ballmer faced weary customers in London last year, and admitted Windows licenses have deliberate 'gotchas.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704540</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262971920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The civil justice system has NEVER been an "innocent until proven guilty" system. Unlike criminal justice, civil justice is about "preponderance of evidence." Roughly, this means that whoever's case is more impressive, wins. You don't have to prove anything, you just have to be more convincing than the other guy. And if you don't try to defend yourself? You lose by default. This isn't new. It's always been this way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The civil justice system has NEVER been an " innocent until proven guilty " system .
Unlike criminal justice , civil justice is about " preponderance of evidence .
" Roughly , this means that whoever 's case is more impressive , wins .
You do n't have to prove anything , you just have to be more convincing than the other guy .
And if you do n't try to defend yourself ?
You lose by default .
This is n't new .
It 's always been this way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The civil justice system has NEVER been an "innocent until proven guilty" system.
Unlike criminal justice, civil justice is about "preponderance of evidence.
" Roughly, this means that whoever's case is more impressive, wins.
You don't have to prove anything, you just have to be more convincing than the other guy.
And if you don't try to defend yourself?
You lose by default.
This isn't new.
It's always been this way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703980</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703958</id>
	<title>Real traffic cops too</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1262966760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have solid data to back it up;
but I think they're giving out more tickets
in California now.</p><p>The other day I actually saw somebody get nailed
for "failure to yield to a pedestrian".  This is
indeed a big problem--to the point where I have to
wait for several cars to pass through a crosswalk
sometimes.  Still, it doesn't seem like they cared
that much about it a couple years ago.</p><p>Coincidence?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have solid data to back it up ; but I think they 're giving out more tickets in California now.The other day I actually saw somebody get nailed for " failure to yield to a pedestrian " .
This is indeed a big problem--to the point where I have to wait for several cars to pass through a crosswalk sometimes .
Still , it does n't seem like they cared that much about it a couple years ago.Coincidence ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have solid data to back it up;
but I think they're giving out more tickets
in California now.The other day I actually saw somebody get nailed
for "failure to yield to a pedestrian".
This is
indeed a big problem--to the point where I have to
wait for several cars to pass through a crosswalk
sometimes.
Still, it doesn't seem like they cared
that much about it a couple years ago.Coincidence?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706524</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1263042300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see:</p><p>-10 days notice<br>-at most once a year unless you get caught<br>-if you make a minor mistake, you pay up and you're done<br>-if you make a major mistake, you pay up 120\% and you're done</p><p>Sounds better than anything Microsoft or Adobe have to offer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see : -10 days notice-at most once a year unless you get caught-if you make a minor mistake , you pay up and you 're done-if you make a major mistake , you pay up 120 \ % and you 're doneSounds better than anything Microsoft or Adobe have to offer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see:-10 days notice-at most once a year unless you get caught-if you make a minor mistake, you pay up and you're done-if you make a major mistake, you pay up 120\% and you're doneSounds better than anything Microsoft or Adobe have to offer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704168</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703852</id>
	<title>Traffic cops?</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1262965920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would have been better to use blood sucking lawyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would have been better to use blood sucking lawyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would have been better to use blood sucking lawyers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705150</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>OverlordQ</author>
	<datestamp>1262978160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How cheaper is it to volume license instead of buying individual copies? I mean how many computers does a Guitar Manufacturer need?  If you dont Volume License can't you tell the BSA to stuff it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How cheaper is it to volume license instead of buying individual copies ?
I mean how many computers does a Guitar Manufacturer need ?
If you dont Volume License ca n't you tell the BSA to stuff it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How cheaper is it to volume license instead of buying individual copies?
I mean how many computers does a Guitar Manufacturer need?
If you dont Volume License can't you tell the BSA to stuff it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704050</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704824</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy traffic cops?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262974260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> Is greedy traffic cop one of those internet things I missed?</i></p><p>In case you hadn't noticed, most people dislike cops.  This is doubly so on the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is greedy traffic cop one of those internet things I missed ? In case you had n't noticed , most people dislike cops .
This is doubly so on the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Is greedy traffic cop one of those internet things I missed?In case you hadn't noticed, most people dislike cops.
This is doubly so on the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703970</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706232</id>
	<title>Re:Ernie Ball</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263038040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone should do a follow-up interview with Sterling Ball to see how they're getting on seven years later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone should do a follow-up interview with Sterling Ball to see how they 're getting on seven years later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone should do a follow-up interview with Sterling Ball to see how they're getting on seven years later.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704092</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703840</id>
	<title>I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262965860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't use ANY proprietary software at my company. I own a software development company in Argentina. If I get an auditor (Auditions here are done by ARBA, the state-wide equivalent of the IRS in Buenos Aires) I just won't even open the door. Sue me if you want. I use  NO privative software, and no one has any right to log in into my servers or workstations (We have ~40 machines at our offices).</p><p>Fuck them in the ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't use ANY proprietary software at my company .
I own a software development company in Argentina .
If I get an auditor ( Auditions here are done by ARBA , the state-wide equivalent of the IRS in Buenos Aires ) I just wo n't even open the door .
Sue me if you want .
I use NO privative software , and no one has any right to log in into my servers or workstations ( We have ~ 40 machines at our offices ) .Fuck them in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't use ANY proprietary software at my company.
I own a software development company in Argentina.
If I get an auditor (Auditions here are done by ARBA, the state-wide equivalent of the IRS in Buenos Aires) I just won't even open the door.
Sue me if you want.
I use  NO privative software, and no one has any right to log in into my servers or workstations (We have ~40 machines at our offices).Fuck them in the ass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707714</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>darkmeridian</author>
	<datestamp>1263057420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Software audits are commonplace in the business setting. Almost all software vendors will demand the right to audit, and most businesses will agree to them. The issue has to deal with abusive audits where the payments are not tied to the level of noncompliance but rather punitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Software audits are commonplace in the business setting .
Almost all software vendors will demand the right to audit , and most businesses will agree to them .
The issue has to deal with abusive audits where the payments are not tied to the level of noncompliance but rather punitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Software audits are commonplace in the business setting.
Almost all software vendors will demand the right to audit, and most businesses will agree to them.
The issue has to deal with abusive audits where the payments are not tied to the level of noncompliance but rather punitive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706524</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706162</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1263036540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is Red Hat thinking? Written notice? Microsoft doesn't always give notice, that's why its audits are so successful. At least during one incident reported on Slashdot, they didn't give any notice and just showed up with Federal agents and guns.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is Red Hat thinking ?
Written notice ?
Microsoft does n't always give notice , that 's why its audits are so successful .
At least during one incident reported on Slashdot , they did n't give any notice and just showed up with Federal agents and guns .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is Red Hat thinking?
Written notice?
Microsoft doesn't always give notice, that's why its audits are so successful.
At least during one incident reported on Slashdot, they didn't give any notice and just showed up with Federal agents and guns.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704168</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30713058</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Moe1975</author>
	<datestamp>1263066720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Caballero,</p><p>Se te olvido comentar acerca de las increiblemente hermosas mujeres de tu tierra. Yo practicamente me babeo viendolas . . .</p><p>sigh</p><p>The more I read about your country, the more it looks like heaven to me . . . I am stuck living in Colombia, which is the worst hellhole on the face of the planet.</p><p>If it weren't for some legal problems that preclude me from obtaining residency in Argentina, my God, I would be there right now! I only wish.</p><p>Congrats man, your country absolutely rocks, I wish I had been born in a decent country like that.</p><p>If you know a good immigration attorney (or someone else that can help) and want to do a good deed, drop me a line . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Caballero,Se te olvido comentar acerca de las increiblemente hermosas mujeres de tu tierra .
Yo practicamente me babeo viendolas .
. .sighThe more I read about your country , the more it looks like heaven to me .
. .
I am stuck living in Colombia , which is the worst hellhole on the face of the planet.If it were n't for some legal problems that preclude me from obtaining residency in Argentina , my God , I would be there right now !
I only wish.Congrats man , your country absolutely rocks , I wish I had been born in a decent country like that.If you know a good immigration attorney ( or someone else that can help ) and want to do a good deed , drop me a line .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Caballero,Se te olvido comentar acerca de las increiblemente hermosas mujeres de tu tierra.
Yo practicamente me babeo viendolas .
. .sighThe more I read about your country, the more it looks like heaven to me .
. .
I am stuck living in Colombia, which is the worst hellhole on the face of the planet.If it weren't for some legal problems that preclude me from obtaining residency in Argentina, my God, I would be there right now!
I only wish.Congrats man, your country absolutely rocks, I wish I had been born in a decent country like that.If you know a good immigration attorney (or someone else that can help) and want to do a good deed, drop me a line .
. .</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704108</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705264</id>
	<title>Re:ELUA?</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1262979600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A better argument for BSD'd software.  You answer to no one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A better argument for BSD 'd software .
You answer to no one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A better argument for BSD'd software.
You answer to no one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704174</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706390</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>supernova\_hq</author>
	<datestamp>1263040320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mac's support Adobe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac 's support Adobe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac's support Adobe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703862</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706264</id>
	<title>I love this bit</title>
	<author>mormop</author>
	<datestamp>1263038880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Ballmer also suggested that education should be given government stimulus funding to enable young people to gain experience on the computing systems they would meet in the real world."</p><p>Seriously Mr B, go fuck yourself. You don't need the money and young people, on the whole, are pretty good at working things out for themselves as they have a "click and see what happens" approach mixed with the ability to ask another kid who knows. Doesn't matter if it's OpenOffice, Office 2007, whatever, if they really want it to do something, they'll find a way.  The weak point is quite often the teachers.</p><p>Seriously, in the UK you cannot be a teacher without a University degree. A University degree should teach you to analyse a problem, research the problem and apply a solution.  In software, this boils down to "I can't do X in program Y", go to Google and type "how do I do X in program Y", click links until you find answer and follow instructions on page. Most of the time they seem incapable of following this simple idea.  They'll even come in and as me then watch me hit Google and search for a solution (often the first result returned)  but it never dawns on them to do the same themselves next time (and no, support isn't my job).  I showed a year 7 how to find something out using the "F1" key and he was amazed, he just didn't know.</p><p>The best thing for education, would be for kids to be trained to work stuff out for themselves by teachers who are trained to work stuff out for themselves. This "teaching people to use the software they'll use in the real world" argument is crippling and the seeming inability for people with far higher qualifications than mine to work out even minor problems has seriously dented my faith in the higher education system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ballmer also suggested that education should be given government stimulus funding to enable young people to gain experience on the computing systems they would meet in the real world .
" Seriously Mr B , go fuck yourself .
You do n't need the money and young people , on the whole , are pretty good at working things out for themselves as they have a " click and see what happens " approach mixed with the ability to ask another kid who knows .
Does n't matter if it 's OpenOffice , Office 2007 , whatever , if they really want it to do something , they 'll find a way .
The weak point is quite often the teachers.Seriously , in the UK you can not be a teacher without a University degree .
A University degree should teach you to analyse a problem , research the problem and apply a solution .
In software , this boils down to " I ca n't do X in program Y " , go to Google and type " how do I do X in program Y " , click links until you find answer and follow instructions on page .
Most of the time they seem incapable of following this simple idea .
They 'll even come in and as me then watch me hit Google and search for a solution ( often the first result returned ) but it never dawns on them to do the same themselves next time ( and no , support is n't my job ) .
I showed a year 7 how to find something out using the " F1 " key and he was amazed , he just did n't know.The best thing for education , would be for kids to be trained to work stuff out for themselves by teachers who are trained to work stuff out for themselves .
This " teaching people to use the software they 'll use in the real world " argument is crippling and the seeming inability for people with far higher qualifications than mine to work out even minor problems has seriously dented my faith in the higher education system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ballmer also suggested that education should be given government stimulus funding to enable young people to gain experience on the computing systems they would meet in the real world.
"Seriously Mr B, go fuck yourself.
You don't need the money and young people, on the whole, are pretty good at working things out for themselves as they have a "click and see what happens" approach mixed with the ability to ask another kid who knows.
Doesn't matter if it's OpenOffice, Office 2007, whatever, if they really want it to do something, they'll find a way.
The weak point is quite often the teachers.Seriously, in the UK you cannot be a teacher without a University degree.
A University degree should teach you to analyse a problem, research the problem and apply a solution.
In software, this boils down to "I can't do X in program Y", go to Google and type "how do I do X in program Y", click links until you find answer and follow instructions on page.
Most of the time they seem incapable of following this simple idea.
They'll even come in and as me then watch me hit Google and search for a solution (often the first result returned)  but it never dawns on them to do the same themselves next time (and no, support isn't my job).
I showed a year 7 how to find something out using the "F1" key and he was amazed, he just didn't know.The best thing for education, would be for kids to be trained to work stuff out for themselves by teachers who are trained to work stuff out for themselves.
This "teaching people to use the software they'll use in the real world" argument is crippling and the seeming inability for people with far higher qualifications than mine to work out even minor problems has seriously dented my faith in the higher education system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707906</id>
	<title>Re:Real traffic cops too</title>
	<author>rantingkitten</author>
	<datestamp>1263059220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The other day I actually saw somebody get nailed for "failure to yield to a pedestrian". </i> <br>
<br>
It amazes me that people think a little paint on the road grants them magical protection from the laws of physics.  If you walk out into traffic, you are basically doing one of the dumbest things a human can do, and the law isn't going to protect your 150 pounds of flesh from two tons of 40mph steel.  <br>
<br>
Pedestrian right-of-way is an idiotic law that should be revoked immediately, as it makes people believe they can blindly stumble out into traffic and be okay.  In reality, if you're walking, do what your mother told you to do and LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE STREET.  If there are cars coming, DON'T WALK -- it doesn't matter that you have "the right of way".  Stay put until the cars are gone.<br>
<br>
This really isn't hard, and yet idiots continue to wander into moving traffic on a daily basis.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The other day I actually saw somebody get nailed for " failure to yield to a pedestrian " .
It amazes me that people think a little paint on the road grants them magical protection from the laws of physics .
If you walk out into traffic , you are basically doing one of the dumbest things a human can do , and the law is n't going to protect your 150 pounds of flesh from two tons of 40mph steel .
Pedestrian right-of-way is an idiotic law that should be revoked immediately , as it makes people believe they can blindly stumble out into traffic and be okay .
In reality , if you 're walking , do what your mother told you to do and LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE STREET .
If there are cars coming , DO N'T WALK -- it does n't matter that you have " the right of way " .
Stay put until the cars are gone .
This really is n't hard , and yet idiots continue to wander into moving traffic on a daily basis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other day I actually saw somebody get nailed for "failure to yield to a pedestrian".
It amazes me that people think a little paint on the road grants them magical protection from the laws of physics.
If you walk out into traffic, you are basically doing one of the dumbest things a human can do, and the law isn't going to protect your 150 pounds of flesh from two tons of 40mph steel.
Pedestrian right-of-way is an idiotic law that should be revoked immediately, as it makes people believe they can blindly stumble out into traffic and be okay.
In reality, if you're walking, do what your mother told you to do and LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE CROSSING THE STREET.
If there are cars coming, DON'T WALK -- it doesn't matter that you have "the right of way".
Stay put until the cars are gone.
This really isn't hard, and yet idiots continue to wander into moving traffic on a daily basis.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703958</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30709244</id>
	<title>Re:Has anyone here ever tried reading a license?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263027600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"You will buy a license for every PC-compatible computer in your organisation"</p></div><p>Per client user or a device. Simply don't install the accessing software to those devices for which you don't want to buy device licenses or limit the user access to the software accessing the licensed server software to those users for which the user license have been purchased. That or is not an exclusive or. Additionally, make sure to purchase the EC license, priced by functionality and software, for those undetermined amount of off-site contractor or customer Linux/Unix/Windows clients accessing indirectly via a server to that server hosting the licensed software. Otherwise, you might have to purchase the normal device or a user based license for certain known amount of clients, again forcing you to limit the access by devices or users. So, in order to deploy the Linux desktops safely without the licensing cost, with Microsoft servers running in the same organization, one would have to install an application firewall, permitting information and service replies to flow only from the Linux devices or users to Microsoft servers, not the other way around. Other solutions might be air- or human gaps in the network but those wouldn't be very satisfying. In conclusion, using FOSS for servers is like using floss for dental hygiene.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" You will buy a license for every PC-compatible computer in your organisation " Per client user or a device .
Simply do n't install the accessing software to those devices for which you do n't want to buy device licenses or limit the user access to the software accessing the licensed server software to those users for which the user license have been purchased .
That or is not an exclusive or .
Additionally , make sure to purchase the EC license , priced by functionality and software , for those undetermined amount of off-site contractor or customer Linux/Unix/Windows clients accessing indirectly via a server to that server hosting the licensed software .
Otherwise , you might have to purchase the normal device or a user based license for certain known amount of clients , again forcing you to limit the access by devices or users .
So , in order to deploy the Linux desktops safely without the licensing cost , with Microsoft servers running in the same organization , one would have to install an application firewall , permitting information and service replies to flow only from the Linux devices or users to Microsoft servers , not the other way around .
Other solutions might be air- or human gaps in the network but those would n't be very satisfying .
In conclusion , using FOSS for servers is like using floss for dental hygiene .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You will buy a license for every PC-compatible computer in your organisation"Per client user or a device.
Simply don't install the accessing software to those devices for which you don't want to buy device licenses or limit the user access to the software accessing the licensed server software to those users for which the user license have been purchased.
That or is not an exclusive or.
Additionally, make sure to purchase the EC license, priced by functionality and software, for those undetermined amount of off-site contractor or customer Linux/Unix/Windows clients accessing indirectly via a server to that server hosting the licensed software.
Otherwise, you might have to purchase the normal device or a user based license for certain known amount of clients, again forcing you to limit the access by devices or users.
So, in order to deploy the Linux desktops safely without the licensing cost, with Microsoft servers running in the same organization, one would have to install an application firewall, permitting information and service replies to flow only from the Linux devices or users to Microsoft servers, not the other way around.
Other solutions might be air- or human gaps in the network but those wouldn't be very satisfying.
In conclusion, using FOSS for servers is like using floss for dental hygiene.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705642</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263028320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am not a big fan of the software auditors...but having been fired from a company in the past who had been caught the previous year with $250,000 US of unlicensed software in a medical billing company...was told in a meeting about this about two weeks before they let me go. Working in the IT department at the company &amp; being escorted out of the building during a merger that had just started...I contacted BSA as soon as I got home. Told them the exact machines/software the employees were using from hacked copies.<br> <br>
Three weeks later at the job I got two days after being let go from this company (made more money &amp; worked for better quality people)...heard my boss &amp; several co-workers had been fired from the company &amp; fined for their use of pirated software. The merger went through...only without these people who thought they would be there after it did.<br> <br>
The moral of this story...if you're going to screw people over &amp; think you'll get away with it...the tables can turn. As my grandmother used to tell me...you may not get your just reward in this life...but eternity is a long time &amp; it will happen there.<br> <br>
Would I do it again...in a heartbeat!!! Revenge is never a great motive...but it is sure sweet when it happens from those who deserve it. For some reason these type of people can't keep from digging their own holes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am not a big fan of the software auditors...but having been fired from a company in the past who had been caught the previous year with $ 250,000 US of unlicensed software in a medical billing company...was told in a meeting about this about two weeks before they let me go .
Working in the IT department at the company &amp; being escorted out of the building during a merger that had just started...I contacted BSA as soon as I got home .
Told them the exact machines/software the employees were using from hacked copies .
Three weeks later at the job I got two days after being let go from this company ( made more money &amp; worked for better quality people ) ...heard my boss &amp; several co-workers had been fired from the company &amp; fined for their use of pirated software .
The merger went through...only without these people who thought they would be there after it did .
The moral of this story...if you 're going to screw people over &amp; think you 'll get away with it...the tables can turn .
As my grandmother used to tell me...you may not get your just reward in this life...but eternity is a long time &amp; it will happen there .
Would I do it again...in a heartbeat ! ! !
Revenge is never a great motive...but it is sure sweet when it happens from those who deserve it .
For some reason these type of people ca n't keep from digging their own holes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am not a big fan of the software auditors...but having been fired from a company in the past who had been caught the previous year with $250,000 US of unlicensed software in a medical billing company...was told in a meeting about this about two weeks before they let me go.
Working in the IT department at the company &amp; being escorted out of the building during a merger that had just started...I contacted BSA as soon as I got home.
Told them the exact machines/software the employees were using from hacked copies.
Three weeks later at the job I got two days after being let go from this company (made more money &amp; worked for better quality people)...heard my boss &amp; several co-workers had been fired from the company &amp; fined for their use of pirated software.
The merger went through...only without these people who thought they would be there after it did.
The moral of this story...if you're going to screw people over &amp; think you'll get away with it...the tables can turn.
As my grandmother used to tell me...you may not get your just reward in this life...but eternity is a long time &amp; it will happen there.
Would I do it again...in a heartbeat!!!
Revenge is never a great motive...but it is sure sweet when it happens from those who deserve it.
For some reason these type of people can't keep from digging their own holes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704856</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Minwee</author>
	<datestamp>1262974620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Don't run Windows. "Software auditors" are just about unknown to users of any other platform.</p></div></blockquote><p>I think you meant "to users of any other platform where the hardware costs less than a car."  Oracle, for example, has a long history of auditing its customers and only the most brain damaged among them would run it on Windows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't run Windows .
" Software auditors " are just about unknown to users of any other platform.I think you meant " to users of any other platform where the hardware costs less than a car .
" Oracle , for example , has a long history of auditing its customers and only the most brain damaged among them would run it on Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't run Windows.
"Software auditors" are just about unknown to users of any other platform.I think you meant "to users of any other platform where the hardware costs less than a car.
"  Oracle, for example, has a long history of auditing its customers and only the most brain damaged among them would run it on Windows.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30708184</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1263061800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>In order for this to be a bad deal for Adobe, you need to assume that this company would grow, overnight, to consume 100x the licenses.  In addition, since the probablility of corporate growth is less than one, it's an even better deal for Adobe.  And the longer the company might take to grow to consume 100x the licenses, the better off Adobe would be for forcing their hand now, as opposed to waiting for them to grow to get more money.  I see no error in what Adobe did, unless you think that a vast uprising</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order for this to be a bad deal for Adobe , you need to assume that this company would grow , overnight , to consume 100x the licenses .
In addition , since the probablility of corporate growth is less than one , it 's an even better deal for Adobe .
And the longer the company might take to grow to consume 100x the licenses , the better off Adobe would be for forcing their hand now , as opposed to waiting for them to grow to get more money .
I see no error in what Adobe did , unless you think that a vast uprising</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order for this to be a bad deal for Adobe, you need to assume that this company would grow, overnight, to consume 100x the licenses.
In addition, since the probablility of corporate growth is less than one, it's an even better deal for Adobe.
And the longer the company might take to grow to consume 100x the licenses, the better off Adobe would be for forcing their hand now, as opposed to waiting for them to grow to get more money.
I see no error in what Adobe did, unless you think that a vast uprising</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705720</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>calmofthestorm</author>
	<datestamp>1263029520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BSA also attempts to audit shops that do not volume licnese software, eg, you bought 1000 computers and 0 Windows licenses therefore you're stealing.Of course there the yhave no legal leg to stand on aside from asking nicely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BSA also attempts to audit shops that do not volume licnese software , eg , you bought 1000 computers and 0 Windows licenses therefore you 're stealing.Of course there the yhave no legal leg to stand on aside from asking nicely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BSA also attempts to audit shops that do not volume licnese software, eg, you bought 1000 computers and 0 Windows licenses therefore you're stealing.Of course there the yhave no legal leg to stand on aside from asking nicely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30709948</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263034500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here's where the nonsense starts...</p><p>You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all.</p></div><p>Well, the obvious solution here is to not do anything half-arsed. Either pirate nothing, or pirate absolutely everything. Don't register half a dozen copies, and install them on 30 computers - then you're on the radar.</p><p>I know people who have had the letters from the software "cops" arrive in their letterbox simply because they had at one stage purchased and registered some software. They existed in a database then of software users, and as a software user they were considered likely to have pirated other software. Said letter was ignored and threats weren't followed through with, but the moral of the story is "all or nothing". Either that, or go free with your software if that works for you...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's where the nonsense starts...You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all.Well , the obvious solution here is to not do anything half-arsed .
Either pirate nothing , or pirate absolutely everything .
Do n't register half a dozen copies , and install them on 30 computers - then you 're on the radar.I know people who have had the letters from the software " cops " arrive in their letterbox simply because they had at one stage purchased and registered some software .
They existed in a database then of software users , and as a software user they were considered likely to have pirated other software .
Said letter was ignored and threats were n't followed through with , but the moral of the story is " all or nothing " .
Either that , or go free with your software if that works for you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's where the nonsense starts...You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all.Well, the obvious solution here is to not do anything half-arsed.
Either pirate nothing, or pirate absolutely everything.
Don't register half a dozen copies, and install them on 30 computers - then you're on the radar.I know people who have had the letters from the software "cops" arrive in their letterbox simply because they had at one stage purchased and registered some software.
They existed in a database then of software users, and as a software user they were considered likely to have pirated other software.
Said letter was ignored and threats weren't followed through with, but the moral of the story is "all or nothing".
Either that, or go free with your software if that works for you...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704392</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262970480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;"Software auditors" are just about unknown to users of any other platform.</p><p>Shows how little you know.  Unix has had proprietary engineering software for ages and heaven help you if you've been playing fast and loose with your licenses for $10k+ a seat software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; " Software auditors " are just about unknown to users of any other platform.Shows how little you know .
Unix has had proprietary engineering software for ages and heaven help you if you 've been playing fast and loose with your licenses for $ 10k + a seat software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;"Software auditors" are just about unknown to users of any other platform.Shows how little you know.
Unix has had proprietary engineering software for ages and heaven help you if you've been playing fast and loose with your licenses for $10k+ a seat software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30713938</id>
	<title>Re:Real traffic cops too</title>
	<author>Thing 1</author>
	<datestamp>1263129060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always thought it was "for all intensive porpoises", about concentrating dolphins.  I guess your way makes more sense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought it was " for all intensive porpoises " , about concentrating dolphins .
I guess your way makes more sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought it was "for all intensive porpoises", about concentrating dolphins.
I guess your way makes more sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706982</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263049560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real question is: Why do you buy into some asshole&rsquo;s obvious bullshit?</p><p>If I state that you now have to become my gagged gimp because you used more than two 9s in your user name, would you do it.<br>What if I would be from a government agency? Would that suddenly make you buy into my reality?<br>I could add, that you ending your comment in &ldquo;...&rdquo; is an admission of guilt.</p><p>The thing is: Assholes come up with all kinds of shit, <em>if you let them</em>. Reality is what the leading one defines as reality. And for that others have to follow him in the first place. Why do you follow?</p><p>Let me make another reality for you: They are wrong. They are guilty. They are terrorizing you. Therefore they are terrorists. Therefore they need to be punished. Hard. Right now. Go. Do it! NOW!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real question is : Why do you buy into some asshole    s obvious bullshit ? If I state that you now have to become my gagged gimp because you used more than two 9s in your user name , would you do it.What if I would be from a government agency ?
Would that suddenly make you buy into my reality ? I could add , that you ending your comment in    ...    is an admission of guilt.The thing is : Assholes come up with all kinds of shit , if you let them .
Reality is what the leading one defines as reality .
And for that others have to follow him in the first place .
Why do you follow ? Let me make another reality for you : They are wrong .
They are guilty .
They are terrorizing you .
Therefore they are terrorists .
Therefore they need to be punished .
Hard. Right now .
Go. Do it !
NOW ! ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real question is: Why do you buy into some asshole’s obvious bullshit?If I state that you now have to become my gagged gimp because you used more than two 9s in your user name, would you do it.What if I would be from a government agency?
Would that suddenly make you buy into my reality?I could add, that you ending your comment in “...” is an admission of guilt.The thing is: Assholes come up with all kinds of shit, if you let them.
Reality is what the leading one defines as reality.
And for that others have to follow him in the first place.
Why do you follow?Let me make another reality for you: They are wrong.
They are guilty.
They are terrorizing you.
Therefore they are terrorists.
Therefore they need to be punished.
Hard. Right now.
Go. Do it!
NOW! ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706214</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263037680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds great. So I'll just throw away the resumes of Argentinian programmers who apply to me for jobs because they say their country is a horrible place to make a living in, since they're obviously lying. I'd be doing them a favour by making them stay there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds great .
So I 'll just throw away the resumes of Argentinian programmers who apply to me for jobs because they say their country is a horrible place to make a living in , since they 're obviously lying .
I 'd be doing them a favour by making them stay there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds great.
So I'll just throw away the resumes of Argentinian programmers who apply to me for jobs because they say their country is a horrible place to make a living in, since they're obviously lying.
I'd be doing them a favour by making them stay there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705068</id>
	<title>Re:ELUA?</title>
	<author>spasm</author>
	<datestamp>1262977140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So.  They still need a court order to actually authorize that 'authority' (unless you're silly enough to let them just waltz in the door), and they only get that court order if your lawyers don't earn their retainer by convincing the judge that (for example) allowing such a clause means violating medical record privacy laws (or whatever your industry ' jurisdictional equivalent is) and hence that particular clause of the contract is invalid.  If auditors appear, do as other posters have suggested - ask for their court order then throw them out, and call your lawyers.  If you're a tiny nonprofit or similar without lawyers a) why the hell weren't you using FOSS in the first place since you have no money, and b) call your local bar association or equivalent and find out who does pro bono for non-profits locally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So .
They still need a court order to actually authorize that 'authority ' ( unless you 're silly enough to let them just waltz in the door ) , and they only get that court order if your lawyers do n't earn their retainer by convincing the judge that ( for example ) allowing such a clause means violating medical record privacy laws ( or whatever your industry ' jurisdictional equivalent is ) and hence that particular clause of the contract is invalid .
If auditors appear , do as other posters have suggested - ask for their court order then throw them out , and call your lawyers .
If you 're a tiny nonprofit or similar without lawyers a ) why the hell were n't you using FOSS in the first place since you have no money , and b ) call your local bar association or equivalent and find out who does pro bono for non-profits locally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So.
They still need a court order to actually authorize that 'authority' (unless you're silly enough to let them just waltz in the door), and they only get that court order if your lawyers don't earn their retainer by convincing the judge that (for example) allowing such a clause means violating medical record privacy laws (or whatever your industry ' jurisdictional equivalent is) and hence that particular clause of the contract is invalid.
If auditors appear, do as other posters have suggested - ask for their court order then throw them out, and call your lawyers.
If you're a tiny nonprofit or similar without lawyers a) why the hell weren't you using FOSS in the first place since you have no money, and b) call your local bar association or equivalent and find out who does pro bono for non-profits locally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703862</id>
	<title>Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262965980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't run Windows.  "Software auditors" are just about unknown to users of any other platform.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't run Windows .
" Software auditors " are just about unknown to users of any other platform.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't run Windows.
"Software auditors" are just about unknown to users of any other platform.-jcr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707442</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1263054300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have competent IT centOS is a better choice than redhat.</p><p>Why pay for support you dont use?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have competent IT centOS is a better choice than redhat.Why pay for support you dont use ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have competent IT centOS is a better choice than redhat.Why pay for support you dont use?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704076</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262967660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since you don't use Intel, AMD, SPARC, POWER, PPC, 68k, ARM, or other processors with closed source software embedded in them what exactly do you use?  And where did you manage to find open disk drives?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you do n't use Intel , AMD , SPARC , POWER , PPC , 68k , ARM , or other processors with closed source software embedded in them what exactly do you use ?
And where did you manage to find open disk drives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you don't use Intel, AMD, SPARC, POWER, PPC, 68k, ARM, or other processors with closed source software embedded in them what exactly do you use?
And where did you manage to find open disk drives?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704952</id>
	<title>Negotiated rights</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1262975580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all. You also gave up your right to sue and have consented to going to arbitration.</p></div><p>So what?  You might lose the suit but it doesn't mean you cannot sue even if you did "agree" to arbitration.  Any sufficiently large software deal will (or should) have lawyers on both sides of the licensing agreement.  It's quite possible to cost the software vendor a sizable fortune in legal fees if they can't act civilized so it's not as if the software vendor or even the BSA holds all the cards.</p><p>Furthermore if some random schmoe just one day shows up on my door claiming to be from Microsoft and claiming he's here to do an audit he'd better have some pretty convincing proof or he isn't getting past the secretary.  Any audit worthy of the name would take some serious planning anyway for an organization of any size so "suprise inspections" usually aren't.  (I'm an accountant so let's just say I'm familiar with audits)  If the licensing agreement is being seriously broken, a surprise inspection will not be necessary to find this out.</p><p>The only ones who really get screwed are the smaller enterprises who lack the sophsitication to deal with issues like this properly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all .
You also gave up your right to sue and have consented to going to arbitration.So what ?
You might lose the suit but it does n't mean you can not sue even if you did " agree " to arbitration .
Any sufficiently large software deal will ( or should ) have lawyers on both sides of the licensing agreement .
It 's quite possible to cost the software vendor a sizable fortune in legal fees if they ca n't act civilized so it 's not as if the software vendor or even the BSA holds all the cards.Furthermore if some random schmoe just one day shows up on my door claiming to be from Microsoft and claiming he 's here to do an audit he 'd better have some pretty convincing proof or he is n't getting past the secretary .
Any audit worthy of the name would take some serious planning anyway for an organization of any size so " suprise inspections " usually are n't .
( I 'm an accountant so let 's just say I 'm familiar with audits ) If the licensing agreement is being seriously broken , a surprise inspection will not be necessary to find this out.The only ones who really get screwed are the smaller enterprises who lack the sophsitication to deal with issues like this properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all.
You also gave up your right to sue and have consented to going to arbitration.So what?
You might lose the suit but it doesn't mean you cannot sue even if you did "agree" to arbitration.
Any sufficiently large software deal will (or should) have lawyers on both sides of the licensing agreement.
It's quite possible to cost the software vendor a sizable fortune in legal fees if they can't act civilized so it's not as if the software vendor or even the BSA holds all the cards.Furthermore if some random schmoe just one day shows up on my door claiming to be from Microsoft and claiming he's here to do an audit he'd better have some pretty convincing proof or he isn't getting past the secretary.
Any audit worthy of the name would take some serious planning anyway for an organization of any size so "suprise inspections" usually aren't.
(I'm an accountant so let's just say I'm familiar with audits)  If the licensing agreement is being seriously broken, a surprise inspection will not be necessary to find this out.The only ones who really get screwed are the smaller enterprises who lack the sophsitication to deal with issues like this properly.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707108</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263051060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><strong>Bullshit!</strong> A contract can <em>never</em> surpass law and basic rights. Even if it states in big red letters and you signed it in blood, swearing to the $holyBook!</p><p>There is nothing else to say, that that every single of those statements is false and it&rsquo;s the other way around.</p><p>Or else you could just hang a letter on the front door, stating that everyone who enters the building, agrees to be slowly and painfully killed. And then do just that to them when they enter.<br>See... still illegal.</p><p>How about you stop valuing your own sense of reality below that of others, just to be loved or for the pat on the back...<br>You are right <em>because you say</em> so. Period. Because you <em>know</em> better. That is the right way of thinking. Or do you think you are delusional with your own values? I don&rsquo;t think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bullshit !
A contract can never surpass law and basic rights .
Even if it states in big red letters and you signed it in blood , swearing to the $ holyBook ! There is nothing else to say , that that every single of those statements is false and it    s the other way around.Or else you could just hang a letter on the front door , stating that everyone who enters the building , agrees to be slowly and painfully killed .
And then do just that to them when they enter.See... still illegal.How about you stop valuing your own sense of reality below that of others , just to be loved or for the pat on the back...You are right because you say so .
Period. Because you know better .
That is the right way of thinking .
Or do you think you are delusional with your own values ?
I don    t think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bullshit!
A contract can never surpass law and basic rights.
Even if it states in big red letters and you signed it in blood, swearing to the $holyBook!There is nothing else to say, that that every single of those statements is false and it’s the other way around.Or else you could just hang a letter on the front door, stating that everyone who enters the building, agrees to be slowly and painfully killed.
And then do just that to them when they enter.See... still illegal.How about you stop valuing your own sense of reality below that of others, just to be loved or for the pat on the back...You are right because you say so.
Period. Because you know better.
That is the right way of thinking.
Or do you think you are delusional with your own values?
I don’t think so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30708316</id>
	<title>Problem in the first sentence</title>
	<author>HalAtWork</author>
	<datestamp>1263063120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly the problem is right there in the first sentence:<br> <br> <i>As the recession bites, software auditors are cracking down, and some are simply exploiting loopholes and technicalities to meet their targets</i> <br> <br>Their target should be making sure that those they are auditing are not using unlicensed software, not to create a new situation where the auditee is now considered to be infringing even though they have made every attempt towards legitimacy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly the problem is right there in the first sentence : As the recession bites , software auditors are cracking down , and some are simply exploiting loopholes and technicalities to meet their targets Their target should be making sure that those they are auditing are not using unlicensed software , not to create a new situation where the auditee is now considered to be infringing even though they have made every attempt towards legitimacy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly the problem is right there in the first sentence:  As the recession bites, software auditors are cracking down, and some are simply exploiting loopholes and technicalities to meet their targets  Their target should be making sure that those they are auditing are not using unlicensed software, not to create a new situation where the auditee is now considered to be infringing even though they have made every attempt towards legitimacy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704124</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy traffic cops?</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1262968080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the town next to the one I sit... there's a old police officer who has a "quota" of traffic fines he needs to collect in the budget. Miss his income number, and he's unemployed. The budget number is public record as and in as a separate line item in the official budget. He's authorized to put up a "Speed Limit 30" sign at any intersection because that's the state law at all intersections marked or not.</p><p>Now, on the way out of this town, there's a highway interchange. That's an intersection, but the state highway people don't want you going as slow as 30 miles per hour there... you won't be up to 55 on the short ramp to the highway if you do. So they've rigged this intersections with enough signs that the traffic officer is locked out... if he puts his sign up, it's not properly displayed because it's either blocked from view or too far from the intersection. He still writes tickets there, and if you take him to traffic court you can get it kicked. He's hoping you confess or just send in the check. There's even a state website where you can pay your fine with a credit card.</p><p>If enough people do get his tickets kicked, he'll be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the town next to the one I sit... there 's a old police officer who has a " quota " of traffic fines he needs to collect in the budget .
Miss his income number , and he 's unemployed .
The budget number is public record as and in as a separate line item in the official budget .
He 's authorized to put up a " Speed Limit 30 " sign at any intersection because that 's the state law at all intersections marked or not.Now , on the way out of this town , there 's a highway interchange .
That 's an intersection , but the state highway people do n't want you going as slow as 30 miles per hour there... you wo n't be up to 55 on the short ramp to the highway if you do .
So they 've rigged this intersections with enough signs that the traffic officer is locked out... if he puts his sign up , it 's not properly displayed because it 's either blocked from view or too far from the intersection .
He still writes tickets there , and if you take him to traffic court you can get it kicked .
He 's hoping you confess or just send in the check .
There 's even a state website where you can pay your fine with a credit card.If enough people do get his tickets kicked , he 'll be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the town next to the one I sit... there's a old police officer who has a "quota" of traffic fines he needs to collect in the budget.
Miss his income number, and he's unemployed.
The budget number is public record as and in as a separate line item in the official budget.
He's authorized to put up a "Speed Limit 30" sign at any intersection because that's the state law at all intersections marked or not.Now, on the way out of this town, there's a highway interchange.
That's an intersection, but the state highway people don't want you going as slow as 30 miles per hour there... you won't be up to 55 on the short ramp to the highway if you do.
So they've rigged this intersections with enough signs that the traffic officer is locked out... if he puts his sign up, it's not properly displayed because it's either blocked from view or too far from the intersection.
He still writes tickets there, and if you take him to traffic court you can get it kicked.
He's hoping you confess or just send in the check.
There's even a state website where you can pay your fine with a credit card.If enough people do get his tickets kicked, he'll be done.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706540</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1263042660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I ever got fired and was disgruntled, I would contact the BSA regardless of what software they were using. An audit is extremely annoying even if you are fully licensed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I ever got fired and was disgruntled , I would contact the BSA regardless of what software they were using .
An audit is extremely annoying even if you are fully licensed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I ever got fired and was disgruntled, I would contact the BSA regardless of what software they were using.
An audit is extremely annoying even if you are fully licensed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706990</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263049620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> We seem to have fallen into a guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt (no matter how unreasonable) system up here... How's the weather down there? If you guys have cheap internet, I'm willing to emmigrate...</p></div><p>Ironically, this seems to have begun as part of Reagan's campaign to "Get Government off the backs of the people". A couple of idiots smoked pot while driving (and wrecking) a train and suddenly you can't get a job without a drug test - you're assumed a doper until proven otherwise. Apparently they didn't expect we'd Just Say No.</p><p>A campaign to keep out illegals (didn't seem to work, in restrospect) means that you now have to present identity papers to get most jobs as well. Nevermind that the actual offenders are a very small minority who in many cases are very visibly questionable - EVERYONE is Guilty until Proven Innocent now.</p><p>THEN came 9/11 and it all went into the blender. So Welcome to America, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Your fingerprints will be taken Here, you must present your Papers over There. Please to remove your shoes, your pants, hats, and all prosthetic devices such as hip implants that might set off our X-Ray devices. The innocent have nothing to fear, and we will be the ones who determine who's innocent. Please be co-operative. It's been a busy day and some of us are feeling cranky.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We seem to have fallen into a guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt ( no matter how unreasonable ) system up here... How 's the weather down there ?
If you guys have cheap internet , I 'm willing to emmigrate...Ironically , this seems to have begun as part of Reagan 's campaign to " Get Government off the backs of the people " .
A couple of idiots smoked pot while driving ( and wrecking ) a train and suddenly you ca n't get a job without a drug test - you 're assumed a doper until proven otherwise .
Apparently they did n't expect we 'd Just Say No.A campaign to keep out illegals ( did n't seem to work , in restrospect ) means that you now have to present identity papers to get most jobs as well .
Nevermind that the actual offenders are a very small minority who in many cases are very visibly questionable - EVERYONE is Guilty until Proven Innocent now.THEN came 9/11 and it all went into the blender .
So Welcome to America , Land of the Free , Home of the Brave .
Your fingerprints will be taken Here , you must present your Papers over There .
Please to remove your shoes , your pants , hats , and all prosthetic devices such as hip implants that might set off our X-Ray devices .
The innocent have nothing to fear , and we will be the ones who determine who 's innocent .
Please be co-operative .
It 's been a busy day and some of us are feeling cranky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> We seem to have fallen into a guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt (no matter how unreasonable) system up here... How's the weather down there?
If you guys have cheap internet, I'm willing to emmigrate...Ironically, this seems to have begun as part of Reagan's campaign to "Get Government off the backs of the people".
A couple of idiots smoked pot while driving (and wrecking) a train and suddenly you can't get a job without a drug test - you're assumed a doper until proven otherwise.
Apparently they didn't expect we'd Just Say No.A campaign to keep out illegals (didn't seem to work, in restrospect) means that you now have to present identity papers to get most jobs as well.
Nevermind that the actual offenders are a very small minority who in many cases are very visibly questionable - EVERYONE is Guilty until Proven Innocent now.THEN came 9/11 and it all went into the blender.
So Welcome to America, Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.
Your fingerprints will be taken Here, you must present your Papers over There.
Please to remove your shoes, your pants, hats, and all prosthetic devices such as hip implants that might set off our X-Ray devices.
The innocent have nothing to fear, and we will be the ones who determine who's innocent.
Please be co-operative.
It's been a busy day and some of us are feeling cranky.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704050</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1262967540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's where the nonsense starts...</p><p>You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all. You also gave up your right to sue and have consented to going to arbitration. In that, BSA claiming they have a report you licensed X and you are using Y copies (from the upset employee you fired a month ago) and unless you present a defense, you lose. So, you've got to let the auditors do their count of computers... You can slow them down and get into compliance in the meantime, but you can't keep them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's where the nonsense starts...You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all .
You also gave up your right to sue and have consented to going to arbitration .
In that , BSA claiming they have a report you licensed X and you are using Y copies ( from the upset employee you fired a month ago ) and unless you present a defense , you lose .
So , you 've got to let the auditors do their count of computers... You can slow them down and get into compliance in the meantime , but you ca n't keep them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's where the nonsense starts...You consent to the audits if you have any volume licensing at all.
You also gave up your right to sue and have consented to going to arbitration.
In that, BSA claiming they have a report you licensed X and you are using Y copies (from the upset employee you fired a month ago) and unless you present a defense, you lose.
So, you've got to let the auditors do their count of computers... You can slow them down and get into compliance in the meantime, but you can't keep them</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703926</id>
	<title>What rights?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262966520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i> They may be within their rights,</i>

</p><p>What right would that be, exactly?  If they're not law enforcement, and they don't have a court order, they have zero "rights."  Yes, even if they show up wearing fancy raid jackets to try and look like law enforcement.

</p><p>I've posted this several times before.  If the BSA or any of these other vultures come knocking, they have <b>ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING, SEE ANYTHING, TALK TO ANYONE, etc WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.</b>  If they have one, that means you're already in the process of being sued, and the first person you should call is your lawyer, and you should ONLY do EXACTLY what the court order requires you to.

</p><p>Here's the Superbanana Super Guide To BSA Bullshit Shutdown.

</p><ul>
<li>Your receptionist and anyone else that is near the front door should keep them as far out of the building as possible, at a minimum the reception area.  Block their path.  If they even so much as poke your check with a finger, call the police immediately.  Maybe even call the police, preemptively ("Hi, 911?  Some people in raid jackets showed up at our business, they're not police, but they seem to be pretending like they are.  There's a lot of them, we think they might be trying to rob us or something.")  At a company where I worked, we had a silent alarm button at the reception desk.</li>
<li>Send someone to find the most senior person in the company, preferably an officer (CEO, CFO, President, etc.)  They do all the talking.  That talking should consist almost entirely of "Who are you" (where your attorney will send a very nasty letter to).  "Do you have a court order?" (No.) "Get off our property, you're trespassing."</li>
<li>If the "auditors" refuse to leave, get physical, or try to connect to the network or start poking around, call the police immediately.</li>
</ul><p>If they don't have a court order, don't let them see anything, touch anything, install anything, connect anything. Don't answer any questions.  The only information you should give them is your attorney's phone number.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They may be within their rights , What right would that be , exactly ?
If they 're not law enforcement , and they do n't have a court order , they have zero " rights .
" Yes , even if they show up wearing fancy raid jackets to try and look like law enforcement .
I 've posted this several times before .
If the BSA or any of these other vultures come knocking , they have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING , SEE ANYTHING , TALK TO ANYONE , etc WITHOUT A COURT ORDER .
If they have one , that means you 're already in the process of being sued , and the first person you should call is your lawyer , and you should ONLY do EXACTLY what the court order requires you to .
Here 's the Superbanana Super Guide To BSA Bullshit Shutdown .
Your receptionist and anyone else that is near the front door should keep them as far out of the building as possible , at a minimum the reception area .
Block their path .
If they even so much as poke your check with a finger , call the police immediately .
Maybe even call the police , preemptively ( " Hi , 911 ?
Some people in raid jackets showed up at our business , they 're not police , but they seem to be pretending like they are .
There 's a lot of them , we think they might be trying to rob us or something .
" ) At a company where I worked , we had a silent alarm button at the reception desk .
Send someone to find the most senior person in the company , preferably an officer ( CEO , CFO , President , etc .
) They do all the talking .
That talking should consist almost entirely of " Who are you " ( where your attorney will send a very nasty letter to ) .
" Do you have a court order ?
" ( No .
) " Get off our property , you 're trespassing .
" If the " auditors " refuse to leave , get physical , or try to connect to the network or start poking around , call the police immediately .
If they do n't have a court order , do n't let them see anything , touch anything , install anything , connect anything .
Do n't answer any questions .
The only information you should give them is your attorney 's phone number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  They may be within their rights,

What right would that be, exactly?
If they're not law enforcement, and they don't have a court order, they have zero "rights.
"  Yes, even if they show up wearing fancy raid jackets to try and look like law enforcement.
I've posted this several times before.
If the BSA or any of these other vultures come knocking, they have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING, SEE ANYTHING, TALK TO ANYONE, etc WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.
If they have one, that means you're already in the process of being sued, and the first person you should call is your lawyer, and you should ONLY do EXACTLY what the court order requires you to.
Here's the Superbanana Super Guide To BSA Bullshit Shutdown.
Your receptionist and anyone else that is near the front door should keep them as far out of the building as possible, at a minimum the reception area.
Block their path.
If they even so much as poke your check with a finger, call the police immediately.
Maybe even call the police, preemptively ("Hi, 911?
Some people in raid jackets showed up at our business, they're not police, but they seem to be pretending like they are.
There's a lot of them, we think they might be trying to rob us or something.
")  At a company where I worked, we had a silent alarm button at the reception desk.
Send someone to find the most senior person in the company, preferably an officer (CEO, CFO, President, etc.
)  They do all the talking.
That talking should consist almost entirely of "Who are you" (where your attorney will send a very nasty letter to).
"Do you have a court order?
" (No.
) "Get off our property, you're trespassing.
"
If the "auditors" refuse to leave, get physical, or try to connect to the network or start poking around, call the police immediately.
If they don't have a court order, don't let them see anything, touch anything, install anything, connect anything.
Don't answer any questions.
The only information you should give them is your attorney's phone number.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704358</id>
	<title>Re:Real traffic cops too</title>
	<author>biryokumaru</author>
	<datestamp>1262970240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For all intensive purposes</p></div><p>I've always thought that that was "For all intents and purposes."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all intensive purposesI 've always thought that that was " For all intents and purposes .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all intensive purposesI've always thought that that was "For all intents and purposes.
"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704380</id>
	<title>Re:They are not looking for endearment</title>
	<author>Gerzel</author>
	<datestamp>1262970360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And as an advocate for FOSS and other alternatives to MS I salute them for going after that buck at the expense of their users and cheer them on to drive harder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as an advocate for FOSS and other alternatives to MS I salute them for going after that buck at the expense of their users and cheer them on to drive harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as an advocate for FOSS and other alternatives to MS I salute them for going after that buck at the expense of their users and cheer them on to drive harder.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707522</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>DarkOx</author>
	<datestamp>1263055200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gee you think maybe Red Hat Software's policy is geared towards getting customers to simply hold up their end of an agreement they made when they licensed the software while Microsoft's is geared toward giving them as much control over you and your business as possible in case they ever want to exercise it.</p><p>What M$ is doing opens the door to them extorting just about anything they want from you.  What RH is doing is just saying well you agreed to pay us $X per seat you have Y seats pay us $X*Y and we can all be friends.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gee you think maybe Red Hat Software 's policy is geared towards getting customers to simply hold up their end of an agreement they made when they licensed the software while Microsoft 's is geared toward giving them as much control over you and your business as possible in case they ever want to exercise it.What M $ is doing opens the door to them extorting just about anything they want from you .
What RH is doing is just saying well you agreed to pay us $ X per seat you have Y seats pay us $ X * Y and we can all be friends .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gee you think maybe Red Hat Software's policy is geared towards getting customers to simply hold up their end of an agreement they made when they licensed the software while Microsoft's is geared toward giving them as much control over you and your business as possible in case they ever want to exercise it.What M$ is doing opens the door to them extorting just about anything they want from you.
What RH is doing is just saying well you agreed to pay us $X per seat you have Y seats pay us $X*Y and we can all be friends.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I'm an "MS Fanboy", but, even I am wavering... apk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263059760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Not only because of the fact that a person like Mr. Ballmer really, imo @ least, shouldn't be the type of person running a tech company (especially software related ones) like MS. Car sales, yes. Software Engineering based concerns though? Sorry... no.</p><p>And, after all? I'm NOT the ONLY ONE SAYING IT either -&gt; <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/06/0052218" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/06/0052218</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>(I state that, along with others here &amp; elsewhere, because Mr. Ballmer himself, afaik @ least, doesn't possess the ability to do the job of software engineering himself (whereas his predecessor "King Billy" (I call Mr. Gates that out of RESPECT, not ridicule mind you) actually could do so, thus, he understands what "geeks" want, himself being one (&amp; how can you cater to those you sell to, without having been one yourself so you understand them better from "having walked a mile in their shoes", more-or-less)))</p><p>I also have been REPEATEDLY pointing out a problem Microsoft created in the HOSTS file to their mgt. (on their blogs in their "Engineering Windows 7" blog by Mr. S. Sinofsky (top mgr. for Windows 7, iirc) -&gt; <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/25/feedback-and-engineering-windows-7.aspx" title="msdn.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/25/feedback-and-engineering-windows-7.aspx</a> [msdn.com] and <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage" title="msdn.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage</a> [msdn.com] &amp; to a user here named Foredecker who has stated he is senior mgt. @ MS - &amp; he hasn't even honored a simple request of mine, even though he conceded I have a strong set of points on that note here -&gt; <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1467692&amp;threshold=-1&amp;commentsort=0&amp;mode=thread&amp;cid=30384918" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1467692&amp;threshold=-1&amp;commentsort=0&amp;mode=thread&amp;cid=30384918</a> [slashdot.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>End result? Same deal: Blown off totally, on both accounts (as were others).</p><p>MS is starting to "slip" &amp; that's coming from myself (a HUGE proponent of what Microsoft really is, a great company that has helped change the way folks think &amp; communicate + do business really).</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; I've actually considered moving to KUbuntu 9.1.0 lately, because LINUX has some QUITE a ways (especially since I 1st tried in, via Slackware 1.02 circa 1993/1994 iirc) but, I still like Windows 7 (though it does tend to eat RAM like mad, &amp; then spit back errors it's "out of memory" (this I "got into" w/ Dr. Mark Russinovich &amp; others @ the Windows IT Pro forums, even before VISTA released even, &amp; told them their attempt @ UNIX-like memmgt would backfire on them (it did for sure in VISTA, but Windows 7's a WEE BIT better than VISTA was on that account @ least)))...</p><p>Still, I do know, FOR SURE, that the HOSTS file issue in Windows exists (VISTA was ok with it, until MS "Patch Tuesday" 12/08/2008, when suddenly after that? A hosts file in Windows can no longer use 0 as a valid blocking address vs. known bad servers, &amp; now, @ best, it can only use 0.0.0.0 (which yes, is smaller, faster &amp; BETTER than the default "loopback adapter" of 127.0.0.1 for that, but... even it is larger &amp; thus slower to load + parse, than 0 is))... I showed them this with INDISPUTABLE evidences to that fact, but in the end? Blown off...</p><p>Imo @ least, when a company stops listening to customers with VALID concerns &amp; evidences? They're on the way downwards... see, evidence to that, afaik? Is that only 18\% of Windows users have gone the route of Windows 7 (that tell anyone anything? It's not just "economic conditions" &amp; folks outta work (lack of disposable income) causing that, but also that they've still got issues &amp; a bad rep from VISTA, in Windows 7 (such as I have just pointed out))...</p><p>Don't get me wrong: I'd LOVE to see MS continue their dominance, I really would, but... well, see the above! apk</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only because of the fact that a person like Mr. Ballmer really , imo @ least , should n't be the type of person running a tech company ( especially software related ones ) like MS. Car sales , yes .
Software Engineering based concerns though ?
Sorry... no.And , after all ?
I 'm NOT the ONLY ONE SAYING IT either - &gt; http : //slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 08/05/06/0052218 [ slashdot.org ] ( I state that , along with others here &amp; elsewhere , because Mr. Ballmer himself , afaik @ least , does n't possess the ability to do the job of software engineering himself ( whereas his predecessor " King Billy " ( I call Mr. Gates that out of RESPECT , not ridicule mind you ) actually could do so , thus , he understands what " geeks " want , himself being one ( &amp; how can you cater to those you sell to , without having been one yourself so you understand them better from " having walked a mile in their shoes " , more-or-less ) ) ) I also have been REPEATEDLY pointing out a problem Microsoft created in the HOSTS file to their mgt .
( on their blogs in their " Engineering Windows 7 " blog by Mr. S. Sinofsky ( top mgr .
for Windows 7 , iirc ) - &gt; http : //blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/25/feedback-and-engineering-windows-7.aspx [ msdn.com ] and http : //blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx ? CommentPosted = true # commentmessage [ msdn.com ] &amp; to a user here named Foredecker who has stated he is senior mgt .
@ MS - &amp; he has n't even honored a simple request of mine , even though he conceded I have a strong set of points on that note here - &gt; http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1467692&amp;threshold = -1&amp;commentsort = 0&amp;mode = thread&amp;cid = 30384918 [ slashdot.org ] ...End result ?
Same deal : Blown off totally , on both accounts ( as were others ) .MS is starting to " slip " &amp; that 's coming from myself ( a HUGE proponent of what Microsoft really is , a great company that has helped change the way folks think &amp; communicate + do business really ) .APKP.S. = &gt; I 've actually considered moving to KUbuntu 9.1.0 lately , because LINUX has some QUITE a ways ( especially since I 1st tried in , via Slackware 1.02 circa 1993/1994 iirc ) but , I still like Windows 7 ( though it does tend to eat RAM like mad , &amp; then spit back errors it 's " out of memory " ( this I " got into " w/ Dr. Mark Russinovich &amp; others @ the Windows IT Pro forums , even before VISTA released even , &amp; told them their attempt @ UNIX-like memmgt would backfire on them ( it did for sure in VISTA , but Windows 7 's a WEE BIT better than VISTA was on that account @ least ) ) ) ...Still , I do know , FOR SURE , that the HOSTS file issue in Windows exists ( VISTA was ok with it , until MS " Patch Tuesday " 12/08/2008 , when suddenly after that ?
A hosts file in Windows can no longer use 0 as a valid blocking address vs. known bad servers , &amp; now , @ best , it can only use 0.0.0.0 ( which yes , is smaller , faster &amp; BETTER than the default " loopback adapter " of 127.0.0.1 for that , but... even it is larger &amp; thus slower to load + parse , than 0 is ) ) ... I showed them this with INDISPUTABLE evidences to that fact , but in the end ?
Blown off...Imo @ least , when a company stops listening to customers with VALID concerns &amp; evidences ?
They 're on the way downwards... see , evidence to that , afaik ?
Is that only 18 \ % of Windows users have gone the route of Windows 7 ( that tell anyone anything ?
It 's not just " economic conditions " &amp; folks outta work ( lack of disposable income ) causing that , but also that they 've still got issues &amp; a bad rep from VISTA , in Windows 7 ( such as I have just pointed out ) ) ...Do n't get me wrong : I 'd LOVE to see MS continue their dominance , I really would , but... well , see the above !
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<sentencetext>Not only because of the fact that a person like Mr. Ballmer really, imo @ least, shouldn't be the type of person running a tech company (especially software related ones) like MS. Car sales, yes.
Software Engineering based concerns though?
Sorry... no.And, after all?
I'm NOT the ONLY ONE SAYING IT either -&gt; http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/06/0052218 [slashdot.org](I state that, along with others here &amp; elsewhere, because Mr. Ballmer himself, afaik @ least, doesn't possess the ability to do the job of software engineering himself (whereas his predecessor "King Billy" (I call Mr. Gates that out of RESPECT, not ridicule mind you) actually could do so, thus, he understands what "geeks" want, himself being one (&amp; how can you cater to those you sell to, without having been one yourself so you understand them better from "having walked a mile in their shoes", more-or-less)))I also have been REPEATEDLY pointing out a problem Microsoft created in the HOSTS file to their mgt.
(on their blogs in their "Engineering Windows 7" blog by Mr. S. Sinofsky (top mgr.
for Windows 7, iirc) -&gt; http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/25/feedback-and-engineering-windows-7.aspx [msdn.com] and http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/09/recognizing-improvements-in-windows-7-handwriting.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage [msdn.com] &amp; to a user here named Foredecker who has stated he is senior mgt.
@ MS - &amp; he hasn't even honored a simple request of mine, even though he conceded I have a strong set of points on that note here -&gt; http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1467692&amp;threshold=-1&amp;commentsort=0&amp;mode=thread&amp;cid=30384918 [slashdot.org] ...End result?
Same deal: Blown off totally, on both accounts (as were others).MS is starting to "slip" &amp; that's coming from myself (a HUGE proponent of what Microsoft really is, a great company that has helped change the way folks think &amp; communicate + do business really).APKP.S.=&gt; I've actually considered moving to KUbuntu 9.1.0 lately, because LINUX has some QUITE a ways (especially since I 1st tried in, via Slackware 1.02 circa 1993/1994 iirc) but, I still like Windows 7 (though it does tend to eat RAM like mad, &amp; then spit back errors it's "out of memory" (this I "got into" w/ Dr. Mark Russinovich &amp; others @ the Windows IT Pro forums, even before VISTA released even, &amp; told them their attempt @ UNIX-like memmgt would backfire on them (it did for sure in VISTA, but Windows 7's a WEE BIT better than VISTA was on that account @ least)))...Still, I do know, FOR SURE, that the HOSTS file issue in Windows exists (VISTA was ok with it, until MS "Patch Tuesday" 12/08/2008, when suddenly after that?
A hosts file in Windows can no longer use 0 as a valid blocking address vs. known bad servers, &amp; now, @ best, it can only use 0.0.0.0 (which yes, is smaller, faster &amp; BETTER than the default "loopback adapter" of 127.0.0.1 for that, but... even it is larger &amp; thus slower to load + parse, than 0 is))... I showed them this with INDISPUTABLE evidences to that fact, but in the end?
Blown off...Imo @ least, when a company stops listening to customers with VALID concerns &amp; evidences?
They're on the way downwards... see, evidence to that, afaik?
Is that only 18\% of Windows users have gone the route of Windows 7 (that tell anyone anything?
It's not just "economic conditions" &amp; folks outta work (lack of disposable income) causing that, but also that they've still got issues &amp; a bad rep from VISTA, in Windows 7 (such as I have just pointed out))...Don't get me wrong: I'd LOVE to see MS continue their dominance, I really would, but... well, see the above!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707042</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263050340000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>then again, you could simply do...<br>eix-sync &amp;&amp; emerge world<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>But I don&rsquo;t even know what &ldquo;auditors&rdquo; are, and what they think they are doing, wanting to get into my building without a warrant. Because in that case they either walk away, or the cops will drag them away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>then again , you could simply do...eix-sync &amp;&amp; emerge world ; ) But I don    t even know what    auditors    are , and what they think they are doing , wanting to get into my building without a warrant .
Because in that case they either walk away , or the cops will drag them away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then again, you could simply do...eix-sync &amp;&amp; emerge world ;)But I don’t even know what “auditors” are, and what they think they are doing, wanting to get into my building without a warrant.
Because in that case they either walk away, or the cops will drag them away.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703812</id>
	<title>Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262965620000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>(1) Outsource your work to a very large country which dosen't care about IP laws. <br>
(2) Profit!<br> <br>

(1a) Outsource your work to domestic individuals who have the compatible software regardless of license legitimacy.<br>
(2a) Don't shake their hands when you make a deal. Pay'em through some guy meeting them at an Italian restaurant every week. Stop showing up when they fail to deliver. <br>
(3a) Wanna keep your house? 1a and 2a for you unemployed Americans whose baby food money is going towards military ammunition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( 1 ) Outsource your work to a very large country which dose n't care about IP laws .
( 2 ) Profit !
( 1a ) Outsource your work to domestic individuals who have the compatible software regardless of license legitimacy .
( 2a ) Do n't shake their hands when you make a deal .
Pay'em through some guy meeting them at an Italian restaurant every week .
Stop showing up when they fail to deliver .
( 3a ) Wan na keep your house ?
1a and 2a for you unemployed Americans whose baby food money is going towards military ammunition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(1) Outsource your work to a very large country which dosen't care about IP laws.
(2) Profit!
(1a) Outsource your work to domestic individuals who have the compatible software regardless of license legitimacy.
(2a) Don't shake their hands when you make a deal.
Pay'em through some guy meeting them at an Italian restaurant every week.
Stop showing up when they fail to deliver.
(3a) Wanna keep your house?
1a and 2a for you unemployed Americans whose baby food money is going towards military ammunition.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704608</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy traffic cops?</title>
	<author>Ariven</author>
	<datestamp>1262972640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Also some cops use tickets as easy overtime pay.  They know that if they go to court it is typically out of their normal work shift and they will get paid OT for it.  So in many cases where people think there is a quota, I think some of that is what is really happening.</p><p>In Phoenix (at least a few years ago) cops who hadnt been on the force for a while were not allowed to moonlight doing the security work in uniform, so this was their only real way to get extra cash for that period.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also some cops use tickets as easy overtime pay .
They know that if they go to court it is typically out of their normal work shift and they will get paid OT for it .
So in many cases where people think there is a quota , I think some of that is what is really happening.In Phoenix ( at least a few years ago ) cops who hadnt been on the force for a while were not allowed to moonlight doing the security work in uniform , so this was their only real way to get extra cash for that period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also some cops use tickets as easy overtime pay.
They know that if they go to court it is typically out of their normal work shift and they will get paid OT for it.
So in many cases where people think there is a quota, I think some of that is what is really happening.In Phoenix (at least a few years ago) cops who hadnt been on the force for a while were not allowed to moonlight doing the security work in uniform, so this was their only real way to get extra cash for that period.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30709300</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1263028140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Isn't this about the support contract, not use of the software itself? They are verifying the number of machines you have, to prevent you from say buying support for 10 even though you have 100, and thus getting their suppot services for one tenth their advertised rate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this about the support contract , not use of the software itself ?
They are verifying the number of machines you have , to prevent you from say buying support for 10 even though you have 100 , and thus getting their suppot services for one tenth their advertised rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this about the support contract, not use of the software itself?
They are verifying the number of machines you have, to prevent you from say buying support for 10 even though you have 100, and thus getting their suppot services for one tenth their advertised rate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705816</id>
	<title>Re:Ernie Ball</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1263030780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>That was an interesting story - 8 or 9 years ago.</p><p>Today it's the one which gets trotted out every time - and leaves me thinking that there simply isn't another high profile migration story on the planet.  Hardly a ringing endorsement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was an interesting story - 8 or 9 years ago.Today it 's the one which gets trotted out every time - and leaves me thinking that there simply is n't another high profile migration story on the planet .
Hardly a ringing endorsement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was an interesting story - 8 or 9 years ago.Today it's the one which gets trotted out every time - and leaves me thinking that there simply isn't another high profile migration story on the planet.
Hardly a ringing endorsement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703970</id>
	<title>Greedy traffic cops?</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1262966880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>WTF is that supposed to mean?  I think of some guy with beady eyes and salivating mouth clutching a Krispy Kreme and a coffee.  Traffic cops are greedy?  Pricks would be the word I'd use.  I think they do their job out of officiousness rather than any sort of expectation of personal gain.  Is greedy traffic cop one of those internet things I missed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF is that supposed to mean ?
I think of some guy with beady eyes and salivating mouth clutching a Krispy Kreme and a coffee .
Traffic cops are greedy ?
Pricks would be the word I 'd use .
I think they do their job out of officiousness rather than any sort of expectation of personal gain .
Is greedy traffic cop one of those internet things I missed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF is that supposed to mean?
I think of some guy with beady eyes and salivating mouth clutching a Krispy Kreme and a coffee.
Traffic cops are greedy?
Pricks would be the word I'd use.
I think they do their job out of officiousness rather than any sort of expectation of personal gain.
Is greedy traffic cop one of those internet things I missed?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703892</id>
	<title>They are not looking for endearment</title>
	<author>Suki I</author>
	<datestamp>1262966280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>They may be within their rights, but they aren't endearing themselves to users;</i>

They are not looking for endearment, they are looking for a paycheck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They may be within their rights , but they are n't endearing themselves to users ; They are not looking for endearment , they are looking for a paycheck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They may be within their rights, but they aren't endearing themselves to users;

They are not looking for endearment, they are looking for a paycheck.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707532</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1263055320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Of course they do! Where the hell have you been?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course they do !
Where the hell have you been ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course they do!
Where the hell have you been?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30707070</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1263050640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Uuum, even <strong>with</strong> a court order, they are still no cops, and are therefore illegally holding that order. So I have to assume they illegally stole it from a cop. Which is exactly what I will tell the cops on the phone: Some criminals illegally dressing up like cops, having an either fake or stolen court order, attacking citizens and businesses, just like terrorists.<br>I will tell it in a way that will have to cops come with shotguns and shoot half of those &ldquo;auditors&rdquo; before even starting to ask any questions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uuum , even with a court order , they are still no cops , and are therefore illegally holding that order .
So I have to assume they illegally stole it from a cop .
Which is exactly what I will tell the cops on the phone : Some criminals illegally dressing up like cops , having an either fake or stolen court order , attacking citizens and businesses , just like terrorists.I will tell it in a way that will have to cops come with shotguns and shoot half of those    auditors    before even starting to ask any questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uuum, even with a court order, they are still no cops, and are therefore illegally holding that order.
So I have to assume they illegally stole it from a cop.
Which is exactly what I will tell the cops on the phone: Some criminals illegally dressing up like cops, having an either fake or stolen court order, attacking citizens and businesses, just like terrorists.I will tell it in a way that will have to cops come with shotguns and shoot half of those “auditors” before even starting to ask any questions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704092</id>
	<title>Ernie Ball</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262967840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I'm sure that Sterling Ball over at Ernie Ball (guitar string manufacturer) is sitting with a big grin on his face every time he reads something like this.<p>

For those who forgot:</p><p>

<a href="http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082\_3-5065859.htm" title="cnet.com">http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082\_3-5065859.htm</a> [cnet.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>In 2000, the Business Software Alliance conducted a raid and subsequent audit at the San Luis Obispo, Calif.-based company that turned up a few dozen unlicensed copies of programs. Ball settled for $65,000, plus $35,000 in legal fees. But by then, the BSA, a trade group that helps enforce copyrights and licensing provisions for major business software makers, had put the company on the evening news and featured it in regional ads warning other businesses to monitor their software licenses.

Humiliated by the experience, Ball told his IT department he wanted Microsoft products out of his business within six months. "I said, 'I don't care if we have to buy 10,000 abacuses,'" recalled Ball, who recently addressed the LinuxWorld trade show. "We won't do business with someone who treats us poorly."</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that Sterling Ball over at Ernie Ball ( guitar string manufacturer ) is sitting with a big grin on his face every time he reads something like this .
For those who forgot : http : //news.cnet.com/2008-1082 \ _3-5065859.htm [ cnet.com ] In 2000 , the Business Software Alliance conducted a raid and subsequent audit at the San Luis Obispo , Calif.-based company that turned up a few dozen unlicensed copies of programs .
Ball settled for $ 65,000 , plus $ 35,000 in legal fees .
But by then , the BSA , a trade group that helps enforce copyrights and licensing provisions for major business software makers , had put the company on the evening news and featured it in regional ads warning other businesses to monitor their software licenses .
Humiliated by the experience , Ball told his IT department he wanted Microsoft products out of his business within six months .
" I said , 'I do n't care if we have to buy 10,000 abacuses, ' " recalled Ball , who recently addressed the LinuxWorld trade show .
" We wo n't do business with someone who treats us poorly .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that Sterling Ball over at Ernie Ball (guitar string manufacturer) is sitting with a big grin on his face every time he reads something like this.
For those who forgot:

http://news.cnet.com/2008-1082\_3-5065859.htm [cnet.com] In 2000, the Business Software Alliance conducted a raid and subsequent audit at the San Luis Obispo, Calif.-based company that turned up a few dozen unlicensed copies of programs.
Ball settled for $65,000, plus $35,000 in legal fees.
But by then, the BSA, a trade group that helps enforce copyrights and licensing provisions for major business software makers, had put the company on the evening news and featured it in regional ads warning other businesses to monitor their software licenses.
Humiliated by the experience, Ball told his IT department he wanted Microsoft products out of his business within six months.
"I said, 'I don't care if we have to buy 10,000 abacuses,'" recalled Ball, who recently addressed the LinuxWorld trade show.
"We won't do business with someone who treats us poorly.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704996</id>
	<title>Details details details</title>
	<author>sjbe</author>
	<datestamp>1262976120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IIRCC some EULAs give the "authorized representatives" the authority to check your computers.</p></div><p>True.  Many of these agreements have such a clause.  So now we have to define who an authorized representative is, how they will identify themselves as such, under what circumstances they are allowed to even be on your property much less touch your computers, how they will conduct the audit so as not to be unduly burdensome to your ongoing business, etc.  They might have the right to audit but there are a LOT of details they'll have to address (if you are smart) before they get anywhere near your computers.  It isn't carte-blanche to do whatever the hell they want.</p></div>
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<tokenext>IIRCC some EULAs give the " authorized representatives " the authority to check your computers.True .
Many of these agreements have such a clause .
So now we have to define who an authorized representative is , how they will identify themselves as such , under what circumstances they are allowed to even be on your property much less touch your computers , how they will conduct the audit so as not to be unduly burdensome to your ongoing business , etc .
They might have the right to audit but there are a LOT of details they 'll have to address ( if you are smart ) before they get anywhere near your computers .
It is n't carte-blanche to do whatever the hell they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRCC some EULAs give the "authorized representatives" the authority to check your computers.True.
Many of these agreements have such a clause.
So now we have to define who an authorized representative is, how they will identify themselves as such, under what circumstances they are allowed to even be on your property much less touch your computers, how they will conduct the audit so as not to be unduly burdensome to your ongoing business, etc.
They might have the right to audit but there are a LOT of details they'll have to address (if you are smart) before they get anywhere near your computers.
It isn't carte-blanche to do whatever the hell they want.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704696</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>genner</author>
	<datestamp>1262973360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some how, in North America, your mentality would be viewed as admission of guilt, and they'd find you guilty of pirating software that quite probably hasn't even been written yet.</p>
 </div><p>If it hasn't been written yet then clearly you don't own that copy legally. <br>
Also we have a patient on the time machiene you used.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Some how , in North America , your mentality would be viewed as admission of guilt , and they 'd find you guilty of pirating software that quite probably has n't even been written yet .
If it has n't been written yet then clearly you do n't own that copy legally .
Also we have a patient on the time machiene you used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some how, in North America, your mentality would be viewed as admission of guilt, and they'd find you guilty of pirating software that quite probably hasn't even been written yet.
If it hasn't been written yet then clearly you don't own that copy legally.
Also we have a patient on the time machiene you used.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30703980</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Quasar1999</author>
	<datestamp>1262967000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some how, in North America, your mentality would be viewed as admission of guilt, and they'd find you guilty of pirating software that quite probably hasn't even been written yet. <br> <br> We seem to have fallen into a guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt (no matter how unreasonable) system up here... How's the weather down there? If you guys have cheap internet, I'm willing to emmigrate...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some how , in North America , your mentality would be viewed as admission of guilt , and they 'd find you guilty of pirating software that quite probably has n't even been written yet .
We seem to have fallen into a guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt ( no matter how unreasonable ) system up here... How 's the weather down there ?
If you guys have cheap internet , I 'm willing to emmigrate.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some how, in North America, your mentality would be viewed as admission of guilt, and they'd find you guilty of pirating software that quite probably hasn't even been written yet.
We seem to have fallen into a guilty until proven innocent beyond any doubt (no matter how unreasonable) system up here... How's the weather down there?
If you guys have cheap internet, I'm willing to emmigrate...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30706080</id>
	<title>Has anyone here ever tried reading a license?</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1263034980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, anyone?</p><p>Part of my job description is making sure the company is up to scratch with their licensing.  So I have to read the licenses - and I do.</p><p>I have concluded that software licenses are written expressly to trip up customers.  Even when they're relatively straightforward, they often contain clauses which would be considered absurd in almost any other commercial contract.</p><p>For instance, the only license that allows you to roll out Windows using an imaging system (eg. Ghost) is one of the volume licenses - and for the most part they include a clause which states "You will buy a license for every PC-compatible computer in your organisation".   Now you know why so few companies are taking Linux seriously on the desktop.  I have no idea how enforceable such a clause would be, but I can't see many companies wanting to challenge Microsoft in court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , anyone ? Part of my job description is making sure the company is up to scratch with their licensing .
So I have to read the licenses - and I do.I have concluded that software licenses are written expressly to trip up customers .
Even when they 're relatively straightforward , they often contain clauses which would be considered absurd in almost any other commercial contract.For instance , the only license that allows you to roll out Windows using an imaging system ( eg .
Ghost ) is one of the volume licenses - and for the most part they include a clause which states " You will buy a license for every PC-compatible computer in your organisation " .
Now you know why so few companies are taking Linux seriously on the desktop .
I have no idea how enforceable such a clause would be , but I ca n't see many companies wanting to challenge Microsoft in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, anyone?Part of my job description is making sure the company is up to scratch with their licensing.
So I have to read the licenses - and I do.I have concluded that software licenses are written expressly to trip up customers.
Even when they're relatively straightforward, they often contain clauses which would be considered absurd in almost any other commercial contract.For instance, the only license that allows you to roll out Windows using an imaging system (eg.
Ghost) is one of the volume licenses - and for the most part they include a clause which states "You will buy a license for every PC-compatible computer in your organisation".
Now you know why so few companies are taking Linux seriously on the desktop.
I have no idea how enforceable such a clause would be, but I can't see many companies wanting to challenge Microsoft in court.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704168</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262968320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>4. REPORTING AND AUDIT. If Customer wishes to increase the number of Installed System, then Customer will purchase from Red Hat additional Services for each additional Installed System. During the term of this Agreement and for one (1) year thereafter, Customer expressly grants to Red Hat the right to audit Customer's facilities and records from time to time in order to verify Customer's compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Any such audit shall only take place during Customer's normal business hours and upon no less than ten (10) days prior written notice from Red Hat. Red Hat shall conduct no more than one such audit in any twelve-month period except for the express purpose of assuring compliance by Customer where non-compliance has been established in a prior audit. Red Hat shall give Customer written notice of any non-compliance, and if a payment deficiency exists, then Customer shall have fifteen (15) days from the date of such notice to make payment to Red Hat for any payment deficiency. The amount of the payment deficiency will be determined by multiplying the number of underreported Installed Systems or Services by the annual fee for such item. If Customer is found to have underreported the number of Installed Systems or amount of Services by more than five percent (5\%), Customer shall, in addition to the annual fee for such item, pay a penalty equal to twenty percent (20\%) of the underreported fees.</htmltext>
<tokenext>4 .
REPORTING AND AUDIT .
If Customer wishes to increase the number of Installed System , then Customer will purchase from Red Hat additional Services for each additional Installed System .
During the term of this Agreement and for one ( 1 ) year thereafter , Customer expressly grants to Red Hat the right to audit Customer 's facilities and records from time to time in order to verify Customer 's compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement .
Any such audit shall only take place during Customer 's normal business hours and upon no less than ten ( 10 ) days prior written notice from Red Hat .
Red Hat shall conduct no more than one such audit in any twelve-month period except for the express purpose of assuring compliance by Customer where non-compliance has been established in a prior audit .
Red Hat shall give Customer written notice of any non-compliance , and if a payment deficiency exists , then Customer shall have fifteen ( 15 ) days from the date of such notice to make payment to Red Hat for any payment deficiency .
The amount of the payment deficiency will be determined by multiplying the number of underreported Installed Systems or Services by the annual fee for such item .
If Customer is found to have underreported the number of Installed Systems or amount of Services by more than five percent ( 5 \ % ) , Customer shall , in addition to the annual fee for such item , pay a penalty equal to twenty percent ( 20 \ % ) of the underreported fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4.
REPORTING AND AUDIT.
If Customer wishes to increase the number of Installed System, then Customer will purchase from Red Hat additional Services for each additional Installed System.
During the term of this Agreement and for one (1) year thereafter, Customer expressly grants to Red Hat the right to audit Customer's facilities and records from time to time in order to verify Customer's compliance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.
Any such audit shall only take place during Customer's normal business hours and upon no less than ten (10) days prior written notice from Red Hat.
Red Hat shall conduct no more than one such audit in any twelve-month period except for the express purpose of assuring compliance by Customer where non-compliance has been established in a prior audit.
Red Hat shall give Customer written notice of any non-compliance, and if a payment deficiency exists, then Customer shall have fifteen (15) days from the date of such notice to make payment to Red Hat for any payment deficiency.
The amount of the payment deficiency will be determined by multiplying the number of underreported Installed Systems or Services by the annual fee for such item.
If Customer is found to have underreported the number of Installed Systems or amount of Services by more than five percent (5\%), Customer shall, in addition to the annual fee for such item, pay a penalty equal to twenty percent (20\%) of the underreported fees.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704194</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>mindbrane</author>
	<datestamp>1262968500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they even so much as poke your check with a finger</p></div><p>I presume you intended to type cheek?</p><p>IANAL, but the law, as I was instructed in it, in British Columbia, Canada suggests that if you think someone is trespassing you should inform them they're trespassing. You can then place a hand on them to escort them off the property, if the resist, even to the point of simply slipping away from the hand you've place on them they can then be seen as having assaulted you.</p><p>Corporations and most lawyers use intimidation as a matter of course, as do government agencies. I'm of the considered opinion anyone who doesn't tell them to fuck off is a sucker and deserves to get used and abused by these  assholes.</p><p>In case some of you haven't noticed the only game being played in any town, anywhere is that you press your case onward with the pedal to the metal and then let the courts sort it out. No corporation gives a flying fuck about your rights.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If they even so much as poke your check with a fingerI presume you intended to type cheek ? IANAL , but the law , as I was instructed in it , in British Columbia , Canada suggests that if you think someone is trespassing you should inform them they 're trespassing .
You can then place a hand on them to escort them off the property , if the resist , even to the point of simply slipping away from the hand you 've place on them they can then be seen as having assaulted you.Corporations and most lawyers use intimidation as a matter of course , as do government agencies .
I 'm of the considered opinion anyone who does n't tell them to fuck off is a sucker and deserves to get used and abused by these assholes.In case some of you have n't noticed the only game being played in any town , anywhere is that you press your case onward with the pedal to the metal and then let the courts sort it out .
No corporation gives a flying fuck about your rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they even so much as poke your check with a fingerI presume you intended to type cheek?IANAL, but the law, as I was instructed in it, in British Columbia, Canada suggests that if you think someone is trespassing you should inform them they're trespassing.
You can then place a hand on them to escort them off the property, if the resist, even to the point of simply slipping away from the hand you've place on them they can then be seen as having assaulted you.Corporations and most lawyers use intimidation as a matter of course, as do government agencies.
I'm of the considered opinion anyone who doesn't tell them to fuck off is a sucker and deserves to get used and abused by these  assholes.In case some of you haven't noticed the only game being played in any town, anywhere is that you press your case onward with the pedal to the metal and then let the courts sort it out.
No corporation gives a flying fuck about your rights.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30711114</id>
	<title>Re:What rights?</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1263044880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If they don't have a court order, don't let them see anything, touch anything, install anything, connect anything. Don't answer any questions. The only information you should give them is your attorney's phone number.</p></div></blockquote><p>BSA gets a court order.  They may have lied and misrepresented the law and the facts to do so, but lying in court is only illegal if you don't have the ring of Authority about you.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If they do n't have a court order , do n't let them see anything , touch anything , install anything , connect anything .
Do n't answer any questions .
The only information you should give them is your attorney 's phone number.BSA gets a court order .
They may have lied and misrepresented the law and the facts to do so , but lying in court is only illegal if you do n't have the ring of Authority about you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they don't have a court order, don't let them see anything, touch anything, install anything, connect anything.
Don't answer any questions.
The only information you should give them is your attorney's phone number.BSA gets a court order.
They may have lied and misrepresented the law and the facts to do so, but lying in court is only illegal if you don't have the ring of Authority about you.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30708068</id>
	<title>Re:Greedy traffic cops?</title>
	<author>Surt</author>
	<datestamp>1263060600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Handing out lots of traffic tickets is typically how they get their monthly or annual bonuses and promotions.  So yes, greed is a major motivator there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Handing out lots of traffic tickets is typically how they get their monthly or annual bonuses and promotions .
So yes , greed is a major motivator there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Handing out lots of traffic tickets is typically how they get their monthly or annual bonuses and promotions.
So yes, greed is a major motivator there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704034</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>emcron</author>
	<datestamp>1262967420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eh? How do things work there down under?
<br> <br>
Software audits don't entail some government henchman knocking on your door at random and demanding to see what's inside. Audits in the U.S. are usually for companies licensing large volumes of software for multiple users. The agreements they enter into allow the software maker (Micosoft, Adobe, etc.) to ask for and recieve an accounting of installed copies of software to make sure you're paying for what you are using or are otherwise properly licensed.
<br> <br>
They don't just show up and kick down your door.
<br> <br>
Kudos to you for going the free software route, but most software audits are not the jackbooted RIAA/MPAA criminal issues of pirating -- the companies licensing legit software know what they're getting into when they sign the deals, and some can expect to at some point to have the auditing clause invoked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ?
How do things work there down under ?
Software audits do n't entail some government henchman knocking on your door at random and demanding to see what 's inside .
Audits in the U.S. are usually for companies licensing large volumes of software for multiple users .
The agreements they enter into allow the software maker ( Micosoft , Adobe , etc .
) to ask for and recieve an accounting of installed copies of software to make sure you 're paying for what you are using or are otherwise properly licensed .
They do n't just show up and kick down your door .
Kudos to you for going the free software route , but most software audits are not the jackbooted RIAA/MPAA criminal issues of pirating -- the companies licensing legit software know what they 're getting into when they sign the deals , and some can expect to at some point to have the auditing clause invoked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?
How do things work there down under?
Software audits don't entail some government henchman knocking on your door at random and demanding to see what's inside.
Audits in the U.S. are usually for companies licensing large volumes of software for multiple users.
The agreements they enter into allow the software maker (Micosoft, Adobe, etc.
) to ask for and recieve an accounting of installed copies of software to make sure you're paying for what you are using or are otherwise properly licensed.
They don't just show up and kick down your door.
Kudos to you for going the free software route, but most software audits are not the jackbooted RIAA/MPAA criminal issues of pirating -- the companies licensing legit software know what they're getting into when they sign the deals, and some can expect to at some point to have the auditing clause invoked.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704174</id>
	<title>ELUA?</title>
	<author>PinkyGigglebrain</author>
	<datestamp>1262968380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>IIRCC some EULAs give the "authorized representatives" the authority to check your computers.<br> <br>Good argument for GPL'd software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRCC some EULAs give the " authorized representatives " the authority to check your computers .
Good argument for GPL 'd software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRCC some EULAs give the "authorized representatives" the authority to check your computers.
Good argument for GPL'd software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704108</id>
	<title>Re:I just don't even open the door</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262967960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with that. Actually, there are many screwed up views on the US about many subjects. Argentina is far from being a paradise. We are a mess in many areas, but we are much more free. I have many friends from the states (Being a coder, you just make friends in all parts of the word), and I hear many talk about the land of the free. Freedom in the US is a scarce value. We are a lot more free down here. You can use drugs without the cops bothering you, People are not suing each other all the time, and you can actually live without a credit card, a bank account, and financial records. You can live in cash, without being chased, and just say 'fuck the government, I want my own little Anarchy". If you leave everyone alone, and don't expect anything from the government, they have no way of bothering you. That's the way I choose. I stay out of their way, and they stay out of mine. Sure, if you are into the game, they will fuck you up. But if you decide to play alone, you stand a chance.</p><p>About your questions, the weather is very nice, the place is beautiful (sort of European-looking, but with virtually unlimited natural resources, less people, lots of cheap land, and the best food in the world). About internet access, I'm paying 33 Dollars for unlimited 3G access anywhere in the country [coverage is pretty good, i have signal everywhere, even outside the cities], and 42 Dollars for a 4MB Cablemodem, that works pretty well.</p><p>Cheers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with that .
Actually , there are many screwed up views on the US about many subjects .
Argentina is far from being a paradise .
We are a mess in many areas , but we are much more free .
I have many friends from the states ( Being a coder , you just make friends in all parts of the word ) , and I hear many talk about the land of the free .
Freedom in the US is a scarce value .
We are a lot more free down here .
You can use drugs without the cops bothering you , People are not suing each other all the time , and you can actually live without a credit card , a bank account , and financial records .
You can live in cash , without being chased , and just say 'fuck the government , I want my own little Anarchy " .
If you leave everyone alone , and do n't expect anything from the government , they have no way of bothering you .
That 's the way I choose .
I stay out of their way , and they stay out of mine .
Sure , if you are into the game , they will fuck you up .
But if you decide to play alone , you stand a chance.About your questions , the weather is very nice , the place is beautiful ( sort of European-looking , but with virtually unlimited natural resources , less people , lots of cheap land , and the best food in the world ) .
About internet access , I 'm paying 33 Dollars for unlimited 3G access anywhere in the country [ coverage is pretty good , i have signal everywhere , even outside the cities ] , and 42 Dollars for a 4MB Cablemodem , that works pretty well.Cheers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with that.
Actually, there are many screwed up views on the US about many subjects.
Argentina is far from being a paradise.
We are a mess in many areas, but we are much more free.
I have many friends from the states (Being a coder, you just make friends in all parts of the word), and I hear many talk about the land of the free.
Freedom in the US is a scarce value.
We are a lot more free down here.
You can use drugs without the cops bothering you, People are not suing each other all the time, and you can actually live without a credit card, a bank account, and financial records.
You can live in cash, without being chased, and just say 'fuck the government, I want my own little Anarchy".
If you leave everyone alone, and don't expect anything from the government, they have no way of bothering you.
That's the way I choose.
I stay out of their way, and they stay out of mine.
Sure, if you are into the game, they will fuck you up.
But if you decide to play alone, you stand a chance.About your questions, the weather is very nice, the place is beautiful (sort of European-looking, but with virtually unlimited natural resources, less people, lots of cheap land, and the best food in the world).
About internet access, I'm paying 33 Dollars for unlimited 3G access anywhere in the country [coverage is pretty good, i have signal everywhere, even outside the cities], and 42 Dollars for a 4MB Cablemodem, that works pretty well.Cheers.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I love this bit</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1263063360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mandatory <a href="http://xkcd.com/627/" title="xkcd.com">xkcd</a> [xkcd.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mandatory xkcd [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mandatory xkcd [xkcd.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30708570</id>
	<title>Re:ELUA?</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1263065160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is under assumption I agreed to said EULA. If I did, I have nothing to be afraid of. If I didn't, sorry, you're trespassing, please leave. First they have to prove I agreed to the EULA, and in order to do so they need to conduct the audit. Catch 22 for my advantage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is under assumption I agreed to said EULA .
If I did , I have nothing to be afraid of .
If I did n't , sorry , you 're trespassing , please leave .
First they have to prove I agreed to the EULA , and in order to do so they need to conduct the audit .
Catch 22 for my advantage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is under assumption I agreed to said EULA.
If I did, I have nothing to be afraid of.
If I didn't, sorry, you're trespassing, please leave.
First they have to prove I agreed to the EULA, and in order to do so they need to conduct the audit.
Catch 22 for my advantage.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704192</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>LostCluster</author>
	<datestamp>1262968500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep, nobody would threaten to sue you for using Linux.</p><p>Excuse me, jcr, you've got a phone call from a SCO on line 3. I think you might want tot take it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep , nobody would threaten to sue you for using Linux.Excuse me , jcr , you 've got a phone call from a SCO on line 3 .
I think you might want tot take it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep, nobody would threaten to sue you for using Linux.Excuse me, jcr, you've got a phone call from a SCO on line 3.
I think you might want tot take it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30705700</id>
	<title>Re:ELUA?</title>
	<author>AK Marc</author>
	<datestamp>1263029340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>IIRCC some EULAs give the "authorized representatives" the authority to check your computers.</i> <br> <br>I've never seen one that dictates the terms of the check, so you can easily put them off for at least a few days, as long as you are firm and never let them in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRCC some EULAs give the " authorized representatives " the authority to check your computers .
I 've never seen one that dictates the terms of the check , so you can easily put them off for at least a few days , as long as you are firm and never let them in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRCC some EULAs give the "authorized representatives" the authority to check your computers.
I've never seen one that dictates the terms of the check, so you can easily put them off for at least a few days, as long as you are firm and never let them in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704772</id>
	<title>Re:Ernie Ball</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1262973840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm sure that Sterling Ball over at Ernie Ball (guitar string manufacturer) is sitting with a big grin on his face every time he reads something like this.</p></div><p>Why would he be happy about this? The quote says he doesn't like companies treating their customers poorly. This article is about companies increasingly treating their customers poorly. Why would he be grinning about that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that Sterling Ball over at Ernie Ball ( guitar string manufacturer ) is sitting with a big grin on his face every time he reads something like this.Why would he be happy about this ?
The quote says he does n't like companies treating their customers poorly .
This article is about companies increasingly treating their customers poorly .
Why would he be grinning about that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that Sterling Ball over at Ernie Ball (guitar string manufacturer) is sitting with a big grin on his face every time he reads something like this.Why would he be happy about this?
The quote says he doesn't like companies treating their customers poorly.
This article is about companies increasingly treating their customers poorly.
Why would he be grinning about that?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704718</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262973540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why we all run CentOS in the first place!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why we all run CentOS in the first place !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why we all run CentOS in the first place!
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_09_012207.30704182</id>
	<title>Castle Doctrine?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262968440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My company has guns in the premises (we do some cool stuff for the government).<br>I just wonder does Castle Doctrine works for companies (California)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My company has guns in the premises ( we do some cool stuff for the government ) .I just wonder does Castle Doctrine works for companies ( California ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My company has guns in the premises (we do some cool stuff for the government).I just wonder does Castle Doctrine works for companies (California)?</sentencetext>
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