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	<title>Aboriginal Folklore Leads To Meteorite Crater</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1262856060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"An Australian <a href="http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/3225/aboriginal-dreaming-story-leads-meteorite-crater">Aboriginal dreaming story has helped experts uncover a meteorite impact crater</a> in the outback of the Northern Territory. From the article: 'One story, from the folklore of the Arrernte people, is about a star falling to Earth at a site called Puka. This led to a search on Google Maps of Palm Valley, about 130 km southwest of Alice Springs. Here Hamacher discovered what looked like a crater, which he confirmed with surveys in the field in September 2009.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " An Australian Aboriginal dreaming story has helped experts uncover a meteorite impact crater in the outback of the Northern Territory .
From the article : 'One story , from the folklore of the Arrernte people , is about a star falling to Earth at a site called Puka .
This led to a search on Google Maps of Palm Valley , about 130 km southwest of Alice Springs .
Here Hamacher discovered what looked like a crater , which he confirmed with surveys in the field in September 2009 .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "An Australian Aboriginal dreaming story has helped experts uncover a meteorite impact crater in the outback of the Northern Territory.
From the article: 'One story, from the folklore of the Arrernte people, is about a star falling to Earth at a site called Puka.
This led to a search on Google Maps of Palm Valley, about 130 km southwest of Alice Springs.
Here Hamacher discovered what looked like a crater, which he confirmed with surveys in the field in September 2009.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<title>A Similar Story from Papua New Guinea</title>
	<author>mlnease</author>
	<datestamp>1262942820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>In 1982 the University of Washington Press published R.J. Blong's 'The Time of Darkness: Local Legends and Volcanic Reality in Papua New Guinea'.  In that case a local oral tradition was proven to have been an accurate account of an ancient volcanic eruption.  Out of print now but easy to find second hand and a good read.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In 1982 the University of Washington Press published R.J. Blong 's 'The Time of Darkness : Local Legends and Volcanic Reality in Papua New Guinea' .
In that case a local oral tradition was proven to have been an accurate account of an ancient volcanic eruption .
Out of print now but easy to find second hand and a good read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 1982 the University of Washington Press published R.J. Blong's 'The Time of Darkness: Local Legends and Volcanic Reality in Papua New Guinea'.
In that case a local oral tradition was proven to have been an accurate account of an ancient volcanic eruption.
Out of print now but easy to find second hand and a good read.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1262872800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".</p></div></blockquote><p>Have you read <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">"The Demon Haunted World"</a> [amazon.com] by the late great Carl Sagan?   He expounds on this subject at some length.  I highly recommend it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If anything , the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the " wisdom " of " ancient culture " , while rejecting " western science " as commercialized or " closed minded " .Have you read " The Demon Haunted World " [ amazon.com ] by the late great Carl Sagan ?
He expounds on this subject at some length .
I highly recommend it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".Have you read "The Demon Haunted World" [amazon.com] by the late great Carl Sagan?
He expounds on this subject at some length.
I highly recommend it.
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	<title>blah</title>
	<author>cyphercell</author>
	<datestamp>1262862480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>blah blah blah<br>posting to undo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>blah blah blahposting to undo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>blah blah blahposting to undo</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'm highly skeptical.</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1262892180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>As the entire point of dreamtime is to encode location data into stories, I'm baffled as to why you think they managed to figure out how impact craters work, but the fact they had such a location encoded into their story, to correspond to the right place, was 'coincidence'.</p><p>
I bet their dreamtime has a bunch of stories about rivers and whatnot, and if you look you might 'coincidentally' find rivers exactly where the stories say they are.</p><p>
It's crazy, man, crazy. It's almost as if they wrote the stories on purpose!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the entire point of dreamtime is to encode location data into stories , I 'm baffled as to why you think they managed to figure out how impact craters work , but the fact they had such a location encoded into their story , to correspond to the right place , was 'coincidence' .
I bet their dreamtime has a bunch of stories about rivers and whatnot , and if you look you might 'coincidentally ' find rivers exactly where the stories say they are .
It 's crazy , man , crazy .
It 's almost as if they wrote the stories on purpose !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the entire point of dreamtime is to encode location data into stories, I'm baffled as to why you think they managed to figure out how impact craters work, but the fact they had such a location encoded into their story, to correspond to the right place, was 'coincidence'.
I bet their dreamtime has a bunch of stories about rivers and whatnot, and if you look you might 'coincidentally' find rivers exactly where the stories say they are.
It's crazy, man, crazy.
It's almost as if they wrote the stories on purpose!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30706526</id>
	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1263042300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If they grow they do it by reproduction (which is why Catholicism is running strong -- they heavily targeted peoples with high birth rates, then proceeded to tell them they would go to hell if they used birth control. A brilliant strategy.)</p></div></blockquote><p>Having twelve kids isn't a great strategy if eleven of them starve.</p><p>But I think you exaggerate catholic birthrates.  Italy[1] has one of the lowest in Europe.</p><p>[1] I guess it's quite catholic - the pope lives there, after all.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If they grow they do it by reproduction ( which is why Catholicism is running strong -- they heavily targeted peoples with high birth rates , then proceeded to tell them they would go to hell if they used birth control .
A brilliant strategy .
) Having twelve kids is n't a great strategy if eleven of them starve.But I think you exaggerate catholic birthrates .
Italy [ 1 ] has one of the lowest in Europe .
[ 1 ] I guess it 's quite catholic - the pope lives there , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they grow they do it by reproduction (which is why Catholicism is running strong -- they heavily targeted peoples with high birth rates, then proceeded to tell them they would go to hell if they used birth control.
A brilliant strategy.
)Having twelve kids isn't a great strategy if eleven of them starve.But I think you exaggerate catholic birthrates.
Italy[1] has one of the lowest in Europe.
[1] I guess it's quite catholic - the pope lives there, after all.
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	<title>Ah, what a wonderful plot addition this will be</title>
	<author>Enleth</author>
	<datestamp>1262863260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just as I was thinking of some way to spice up a Call of Cthulhu adventure located in Australia for my players - a million years old crater from the aboriginal dreams pops up, and it's a genuine, real one. A little too far to the east for the original plot location, but that's nothing, just might be a tad more difficult for them to reach. Brilliant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just as I was thinking of some way to spice up a Call of Cthulhu adventure located in Australia for my players - a million years old crater from the aboriginal dreams pops up , and it 's a genuine , real one .
A little too far to the east for the original plot location , but that 's nothing , just might be a tad more difficult for them to reach .
Brilliant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just as I was thinking of some way to spice up a Call of Cthulhu adventure located in Australia for my players - a million years old crater from the aboriginal dreams pops up, and it's a genuine, real one.
A little too far to the east for the original plot location, but that's nothing, just might be a tad more difficult for them to reach.
Brilliant.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680536</id>
	<title>Correlation != Causality</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262863740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>nice story, might be true, certainly is true for some such stories, but correlation != causality</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nice story , might be true , certainly is true for some such stories , but correlation ! = causality</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nice story, might be true, certainly is true for some such stories, but correlation != causality</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680412</id>
	<title>Wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262861640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many "myths" have such a basis in true events? I'm reminded of the "hobbit humans" story where the native people had stories about them that had been passed down reliably for thousands of years. It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world, we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people. It is unfortunate as well, because they cannot defend themselves, so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many " myths " have such a basis in true events ?
I 'm reminded of the " hobbit humans " story where the native people had stories about them that had been passed down reliably for thousands of years .
It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world , we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people .
It is unfortunate as well , because they can not defend themselves , so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many "myths" have such a basis in true events?
I'm reminded of the "hobbit humans" story where the native people had stories about them that had been passed down reliably for thousands of years.
It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world, we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people.
It is unfortunate as well, because they cannot defend themselves, so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.</sentencetext>
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	<title>There are always possibilities....</title>
	<author>mark-t</author>
	<datestamp>1262879580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>We are wrong about how long humans have been on the planet</li>
<li>We are wrong about how long ago the impact was</li>
<li>We are wrong about the level of sophistication of pre-human ancestors in the area to relate such folklore</li>
<li>It is a serendipitous coincidence that such folklore happens to appear to match up with an actual meteor impact.</li>
</ul><p>
The latter seems to me to be the most likely explanation at this time.  There would need be far more such occurrences before I would even begin to start to presume one of the others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are wrong about how long humans have been on the planet We are wrong about how long ago the impact was We are wrong about the level of sophistication of pre-human ancestors in the area to relate such folklore It is a serendipitous coincidence that such folklore happens to appear to match up with an actual meteor impact .
The latter seems to me to be the most likely explanation at this time .
There would need be far more such occurrences before I would even begin to start to presume one of the others .</tokentext>
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We are wrong about how long humans have been on the planet
We are wrong about how long ago the impact was
We are wrong about the level of sophistication of pre-human ancestors in the area to relate such folklore
It is a serendipitous coincidence that such folklore happens to appear to match up with an actual meteor impact.
The latter seems to me to be the most likely explanation at this time.
There would need be far more such occurrences before I would even begin to start to presume one of the others.</sentencetext>
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	<title>thanks</title>
	<author>internetplayer</author>
	<datestamp>1262863860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>that's sounds interesting, thanks for sharing


<a href="http://www.al3ab-bnat.3arabsoft.com/" title="3arabsoft.com" rel="nofollow"> </a> [3arabsoft.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>that 's sounds interesting , thanks for sharing [ 3arabsoft.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that's sounds interesting, thanks for sharing


  [3arabsoft.com]</sentencetext>
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	<title>How about "El Dorado" and "The Fountain of Youth"</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1262872140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Now THOSE would be fun . . .
</p><p>I guess the trouble is the signal to noise ratio . . . for every myth that might have the potential of being true, there are 1,000 that are quite utterly bogus.
</p><p>It's like a Website that you read . . . when too much garbage flows in, you don't take anything on it seriously, or stop reading it altogether.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now THOSE would be fun .
. .
I guess the trouble is the signal to noise ratio .
. .
for every myth that might have the potential of being true , there are 1,000 that are quite utterly bogus .
It 's like a Website that you read .
. .
when too much garbage flows in , you do n't take anything on it seriously , or stop reading it altogether .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now THOSE would be fun .
. .
I guess the trouble is the signal to noise ratio .
. .
for every myth that might have the potential of being true, there are 1,000 that are quite utterly bogus.
It's like a Website that you read .
. .
when too much garbage flows in, you don't take anything on it seriously, or stop reading it altogether.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30684626</id>
	<title>Coincidental</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262888700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Wow, the odds of finding a crater there are...astronomical.  I'm pretty sure any myth about a star falling anywhere could result in someone finding a crater if they looked hard enough.  The Earth is covered with craters- but they have been disguised by erosion, foliage, and geological activity.  Not to detract from the interesting story...but the myth is too general for it to be tied to a specific crater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , the odds of finding a crater there are...astronomical .
I 'm pretty sure any myth about a star falling anywhere could result in someone finding a crater if they looked hard enough .
The Earth is covered with craters- but they have been disguised by erosion , foliage , and geological activity .
Not to detract from the interesting story...but the myth is too general for it to be tied to a specific crater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, the odds of finding a crater there are...astronomical.
I'm pretty sure any myth about a star falling anywhere could result in someone finding a crater if they looked hard enough.
The Earth is covered with craters- but they have been disguised by erosion, foliage, and geological activity.
Not to detract from the interesting story...but the myth is too general for it to be tied to a specific crater.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262864700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Yes, Jack Handey said it best: We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients. But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Jack Handey said it best : We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients .
But we ca n't scoff at them personally , to their faces , and this is what annoys me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Jack Handey said it best: We tend to scoff at the beliefs of the ancients.
But we can't scoff at them personally, to their faces, and this is what annoys me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1262869920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The continued popularity of Judaism - and it's offspring, Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim.</p></div><p>All of these religions are having increasing trouble gaining converts. If they grow they do it by reproduction (which is why Catholicism is running strong &mdash; they heavily targeted peoples with high birth rates, then proceeded to tell them they would go to hell if they used birth control. A brilliant strategy.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".</p></div><p>I disagree. People only enjoy the wisdom of ancient culture when it has been made more palatable, like Wicca which is a bullshit fabrication but which is made up of ancient traditions. In that respect it is much like any kind of religious wingnut who gets too excited about which word comes after which in a book that's part parable and part historical record.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The continued popularity of Judaism - and it 's offspring , Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim.All of these religions are having increasing trouble gaining converts .
If they grow they do it by reproduction ( which is why Catholicism is running strong    they heavily targeted peoples with high birth rates , then proceeded to tell them they would go to hell if they used birth control .
A brilliant strategy .
) If anything , the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the " wisdom " of " ancient culture " , while rejecting " western science " as commercialized or " closed minded " .I disagree .
People only enjoy the wisdom of ancient culture when it has been made more palatable , like Wicca which is a bullshit fabrication but which is made up of ancient traditions .
In that respect it is much like any kind of religious wingnut who gets too excited about which word comes after which in a book that 's part parable and part historical record .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The continued popularity of Judaism - and it's offspring, Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim.All of these religions are having increasing trouble gaining converts.
If they grow they do it by reproduction (which is why Catholicism is running strong — they heavily targeted peoples with high birth rates, then proceeded to tell them they would go to hell if they used birth control.
A brilliant strategy.
)If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".I disagree.
People only enjoy the wisdom of ancient culture when it has been made more palatable, like Wicca which is a bullshit fabrication but which is made up of ancient traditions.
In that respect it is much like any kind of religious wingnut who gets too excited about which word comes after which in a book that's part parable and part historical record.
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	<title>Grimms fairy tales provide more incite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262881740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Given enough stories, something, in some story, will apparently coincide with something in the real world. It doesn't show incite or understanding on the part of the story teller.</p><p>I have read about aboriginal tracking skills and survival ability in the out back, and am truly impressed. Sadly, their wider spiritual culture, based as it was mostly on twoddle, has rightly been sidelined as an historic artefact. Interesting to study, but void of incite about the real world.</p><p>in the west, most of us, long ago pushed our superstitions to one side, and reappraised the world around us. The aboriginal people would do well to do the same and move on.</p><p>It's about time liberal, middle class, white people got over their fear of appearing racist, and rid themselves of the pretence that they believe all this baloney. It does nobody any good, least of all the aboriginals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given enough stories , something , in some story , will apparently coincide with something in the real world .
It does n't show incite or understanding on the part of the story teller.I have read about aboriginal tracking skills and survival ability in the out back , and am truly impressed .
Sadly , their wider spiritual culture , based as it was mostly on twoddle , has rightly been sidelined as an historic artefact .
Interesting to study , but void of incite about the real world.in the west , most of us , long ago pushed our superstitions to one side , and reappraised the world around us .
The aboriginal people would do well to do the same and move on.It 's about time liberal , middle class , white people got over their fear of appearing racist , and rid themselves of the pretence that they believe all this baloney .
It does nobody any good , least of all the aboriginals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given enough stories, something, in some story, will apparently coincide with something in the real world.
It doesn't show incite or understanding on the part of the story teller.I have read about aboriginal tracking skills and survival ability in the out back, and am truly impressed.
Sadly, their wider spiritual culture, based as it was mostly on twoddle, has rightly been sidelined as an historic artefact.
Interesting to study, but void of incite about the real world.in the west, most of us, long ago pushed our superstitions to one side, and reappraised the world around us.
The aboriginal people would do well to do the same and move on.It's about time liberal, middle class, white people got over their fear of appearing racist, and rid themselves of the pretence that they believe all this baloney.
It does nobody any good, least of all the aboriginals.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Aboriginal names for crater areas are well known.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262864100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>In a 1988 or 1989 edition of Astronomy Now (an english astronomy magazine), there was a very interesting article detailing Australian meteor craters.
<br>
In this article, there were about 30 craters listed, along with pictures and descriptions of the area, with the best-guess ages of the craters. Along with the radio-isotope dating, if there was a local name for the area that implies a large amount of sky-based fire in an area without volcanic activity, and without the vegetation to have a large bushfire.
<br>A great examle of this is the Henbury Craters complex (NT, 24 34'S, 133 10'E) which is a collection of 14 craters, about 130 kilometres south of Alice Springs. They are scattered over an area of about one square kilometre. The craters range from 10 metres to about 73 metres across. The Aboriginal name for these craters is ''chindu chinna waru chingi yabu'' which roughly means ''sun walk fire devil rock''  <br>
<i>text quoted from <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/trek/4wd/Over11.htm" title="abc.net.au">http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/trek/4wd/Over11.htm</a> [abc.net.au] </i>
</p><p>
Typical! I read the fine article, and it looks as though the article already has this listed.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a 1988 or 1989 edition of Astronomy Now ( an english astronomy magazine ) , there was a very interesting article detailing Australian meteor craters .
In this article , there were about 30 craters listed , along with pictures and descriptions of the area , with the best-guess ages of the craters .
Along with the radio-isotope dating , if there was a local name for the area that implies a large amount of sky-based fire in an area without volcanic activity , and without the vegetation to have a large bushfire .
A great examle of this is the Henbury Craters complex ( NT , 24 34 'S , 133 10'E ) which is a collection of 14 craters , about 130 kilometres south of Alice Springs .
They are scattered over an area of about one square kilometre .
The craters range from 10 metres to about 73 metres across .
The Aboriginal name for these craters is ''chindu chinna waru chingi yabu' ' which roughly means ''sun walk fire devil rock' ' text quoted from http : //www.abc.net.au/science/k2/trek/4wd/Over11.htm [ abc.net.au ] Typical !
I read the fine article , and it looks as though the article already has this listed.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a 1988 or 1989 edition of Astronomy Now (an english astronomy magazine), there was a very interesting article detailing Australian meteor craters.
In this article, there were about 30 craters listed, along with pictures and descriptions of the area, with the best-guess ages of the craters.
Along with the radio-isotope dating, if there was a local name for the area that implies a large amount of sky-based fire in an area without volcanic activity, and without the vegetation to have a large bushfire.
A great examle of this is the Henbury Craters complex (NT, 24 34'S, 133 10'E) which is a collection of 14 craters, about 130 kilometres south of Alice Springs.
They are scattered over an area of about one square kilometre.
The craters range from 10 metres to about 73 metres across.
The Aboriginal name for these craters is ''chindu chinna waru chingi yabu'' which roughly means ''sun walk fire devil rock''  
text quoted from http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/trek/4wd/Over11.htm [abc.net.au] 

Typical!
I read the fine article, and it looks as though the article already has this listed.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30685416</id>
	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1262891940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oral traditions, while changing over the years, change a <b>lot</b> less than stories in societies without oral traditions.</p><p>
Societies with religious oral traditions almost always have official remember-ers whose main job is to repeat the story exactly the same, and train others to repeat the story the same. There are often strong taboos against changing the story.</p><p>
This does not mean the story does not ever change, or that new stories don't show up and the old stories are forgotten. There is still change. It happens.</p><p>
But it's nowhere near the level of the changes oral stories have in a society that doesn't have an oral tradition. It's a thousand times, or more, slower. Don't assume it happens at the same rate as medieval England, a society with no oral tradition whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oral traditions , while changing over the years , change a lot less than stories in societies without oral traditions .
Societies with religious oral traditions almost always have official remember-ers whose main job is to repeat the story exactly the same , and train others to repeat the story the same .
There are often strong taboos against changing the story .
This does not mean the story does not ever change , or that new stories do n't show up and the old stories are forgotten .
There is still change .
It happens .
But it 's nowhere near the level of the changes oral stories have in a society that does n't have an oral tradition .
It 's a thousand times , or more , slower .
Do n't assume it happens at the same rate as medieval England , a society with no oral tradition whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oral traditions, while changing over the years, change a lot less than stories in societies without oral traditions.
Societies with religious oral traditions almost always have official remember-ers whose main job is to repeat the story exactly the same, and train others to repeat the story the same.
There are often strong taboos against changing the story.
This does not mean the story does not ever change, or that new stories don't show up and the old stories are forgotten.
There is still change.
It happens.
But it's nowhere near the level of the changes oral stories have in a society that doesn't have an oral tradition.
It's a thousand times, or more, slower.
Don't assume it happens at the same rate as medieval England, a society with no oral tradition whatsoever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30683110</id>
	<title>Re:Always more to the legends and stories...</title>
	<author>Tyler Durden</author>
	<datestamp>1262882880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh OK.  For a minute I thought that the dying off of cultures and civilizations was the result of supernatural causes, and thus could be thought of as immoral.</p><p>Wait a minute.  What the fuck are you trying to say?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh OK. For a minute I thought that the dying off of cultures and civilizations was the result of supernatural causes , and thus could be thought of as immoral.Wait a minute .
What the fuck are you trying to say ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh OK.  For a minute I thought that the dying off of cultures and civilizations was the result of supernatural causes, and thus could be thought of as immoral.Wait a minute.
What the fuck are you trying to say?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30691018</id>
	<title>Re:Grimms fairy tales provide more incite</title>
	<author>bstender</author>
	<datestamp>1262887380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, where to begin to unwind the arrogance here. first of all we have "their wider spiritual culture, based as it was mostly on twoddle, has rightly been sidelined as an historic artefact"  Sidelined by YOU, in your considerable opinion, but how is your opinion relevant in any way in judging this culture?  <br> <br>  "Interesting to study, but void of incite about the real world."  In the "real world" that they inhabit, it runs circles around your awesome knowledge base. iow, you'd last 24-72 hours out there without a good load of imported technology, and without regular re-supply you'd quickly perish. Your hubris would vanish and you'd be begging like a baby for their technology!<br> <br>
It gets funnier; "in the west, most of us, long ago pushed our superstitions to one side, and reappraised the world around us. The aboriginal people would do well to do the same and move on" <br>How well would they do  i wonder, and why haven't they jumped at this fine opportunity sooner? Your answer is something along the lines of "obviously they're <i>untemensch</i>" but could it be instead that they would no longer be able to maintain a sustainable lifestyle, they would be forced into the model that requires vast amounts of energy, pillage and slave labor to maintain, a pyramid scheme that is patently terminal?  no, they're just aborigines, so how could they be smart enough to know that, yeah?<br> <br>
This one takes the cake; "It's about time liberal, middle class, white people got over their fear of appearing racist, and rid themselves of the pretence that they believe all this baloney. It does nobody any good, least of all the aboriginals." double-plus wow.  cf. "the white man's burden" seriously dude, take a philosophy course already. it has nothing to do with "belief", or should i say, everything has to do with belief, even your vaunted <i>axiomatic</i> theorems. Your Science is, at the end of the day, a description of what works. as soon as something works better, it magically becomes the new science. it is not the end of the story. In that outback, their strange voodoo works, it kicks your butt. you dont understand it any better than they understand your voodoo. I'm sure they have their own racist equivalent word to describe Western science. It only appears to you as superior because of its energy inputs, it has shown itself to be far far far from comprehensive, so show some intelligence already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , where to begin to unwind the arrogance here .
first of all we have " their wider spiritual culture , based as it was mostly on twoddle , has rightly been sidelined as an historic artefact " Sidelined by YOU , in your considerable opinion , but how is your opinion relevant in any way in judging this culture ?
" Interesting to study , but void of incite about the real world .
" In the " real world " that they inhabit , it runs circles around your awesome knowledge base .
iow , you 'd last 24-72 hours out there without a good load of imported technology , and without regular re-supply you 'd quickly perish .
Your hubris would vanish and you 'd be begging like a baby for their technology !
It gets funnier ; " in the west , most of us , long ago pushed our superstitions to one side , and reappraised the world around us .
The aboriginal people would do well to do the same and move on " How well would they do i wonder , and why have n't they jumped at this fine opportunity sooner ?
Your answer is something along the lines of " obviously they 're untemensch " but could it be instead that they would no longer be able to maintain a sustainable lifestyle , they would be forced into the model that requires vast amounts of energy , pillage and slave labor to maintain , a pyramid scheme that is patently terminal ?
no , they 're just aborigines , so how could they be smart enough to know that , yeah ?
This one takes the cake ; " It 's about time liberal , middle class , white people got over their fear of appearing racist , and rid themselves of the pretence that they believe all this baloney .
It does nobody any good , least of all the aboriginals .
" double-plus wow .
cf. " the white man 's burden " seriously dude , take a philosophy course already .
it has nothing to do with " belief " , or should i say , everything has to do with belief , even your vaunted axiomatic theorems .
Your Science is , at the end of the day , a description of what works .
as soon as something works better , it magically becomes the new science .
it is not the end of the story .
In that outback , their strange voodoo works , it kicks your butt .
you dont understand it any better than they understand your voodoo .
I 'm sure they have their own racist equivalent word to describe Western science .
It only appears to you as superior because of its energy inputs , it has shown itself to be far far far from comprehensive , so show some intelligence already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, where to begin to unwind the arrogance here.
first of all we have "their wider spiritual culture, based as it was mostly on twoddle, has rightly been sidelined as an historic artefact"  Sidelined by YOU, in your considerable opinion, but how is your opinion relevant in any way in judging this culture?
"Interesting to study, but void of incite about the real world.
"  In the "real world" that they inhabit, it runs circles around your awesome knowledge base.
iow, you'd last 24-72 hours out there without a good load of imported technology, and without regular re-supply you'd quickly perish.
Your hubris would vanish and you'd be begging like a baby for their technology!
It gets funnier; "in the west, most of us, long ago pushed our superstitions to one side, and reappraised the world around us.
The aboriginal people would do well to do the same and move on" How well would they do  i wonder, and why haven't they jumped at this fine opportunity sooner?
Your answer is something along the lines of "obviously they're untemensch" but could it be instead that they would no longer be able to maintain a sustainable lifestyle, they would be forced into the model that requires vast amounts of energy, pillage and slave labor to maintain, a pyramid scheme that is patently terminal?
no, they're just aborigines, so how could they be smart enough to know that, yeah?
This one takes the cake; "It's about time liberal, middle class, white people got over their fear of appearing racist, and rid themselves of the pretence that they believe all this baloney.
It does nobody any good, least of all the aboriginals.
" double-plus wow.
cf. "the white man's burden" seriously dude, take a philosophy course already.
it has nothing to do with "belief", or should i say, everything has to do with belief, even your vaunted axiomatic theorems.
Your Science is, at the end of the day, a description of what works.
as soon as something works better, it magically becomes the new science.
it is not the end of the story.
In that outback, their strange voodoo works, it kicks your butt.
you dont understand it any better than they understand your voodoo.
I'm sure they have their own racist equivalent word to describe Western science.
It only appears to you as superior because of its energy inputs, it has shown itself to be far far far from comprehensive, so show some intelligence already.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680508</id>
	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262863140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes, it is heartbreakingly easy to dismiss something that you can't understand because it seems to contradict what you think you understand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes , it is heartbreakingly easy to dismiss something that you ca n't understand because it seems to contradict what you think you understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes, it is heartbreakingly easy to dismiss something that you can't understand because it seems to contradict what you think you understand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30683656</id>
	<title>in other news...</title>
	<author>dirtyhippie</author>
	<datestamp>1262884860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>australian army officials are trying to determinehow a mushroom smoking, dijeridoo blowing, hippie unknowingly discovered the site of a top secret nuclear test detonation in the middle of the outback...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>australian army officials are trying to determinehow a mushroom smoking , dijeridoo blowing , hippie unknowingly discovered the site of a top secret nuclear test detonation in the middle of the outback.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>australian army officials are trying to determinehow a mushroom smoking, dijeridoo blowing, hippie unknowingly discovered the site of a top secret nuclear test detonation in the middle of the outback...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680294</id>
	<title>oh good, abos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262860320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what they dont tell you about is that it was not a meteor, rather the hole dug by the repeated rapings of children by aboriginal elders. dead giveaway is the thousands of vb tins strewn around the edges, the ancient cause of "dreamtime"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what they dont tell you about is that it was not a meteor , rather the hole dug by the repeated rapings of children by aboriginal elders .
dead giveaway is the thousands of vb tins strewn around the edges , the ancient cause of " dreamtime "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what they dont tell you about is that it was not a meteor, rather the hole dug by the repeated rapings of children by aboriginal elders.
dead giveaway is the thousands of vb tins strewn around the edges, the ancient cause of "dreamtime"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680838</id>
	<title>Yes it is, but genocide isn't.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1262868060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I use the word in this context fully conscious, but I think it is the appropriate one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I use the word in this context fully conscious , but I think it is the appropriate one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I use the word in this context fully conscious, but I think it is the appropriate one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680760</id>
	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1262867160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world, we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people.</p></div><p>The continued popularity of Judaism - and it's offspring, Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim.  As does the number of people who have adopted various older forms of beliefs, from Paganism to Buddhism to Feng Sui and Tai Chi.  If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".</p><p><div class="quote"><p> It is unfortunate as well, because they cannot defend themselves, so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.</p></div><p>Nonsense.  College campuses and left-leaning political movements are chock-full of people willing to jump to the defense of any culture which incorporated mysticism.  If you want evidence, just attended any protest put on by "environmental" groups, and ask a random person about their spiritualism.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world , we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people.The continued popularity of Judaism - and it 's offspring , Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim .
As does the number of people who have adopted various older forms of beliefs , from Paganism to Buddhism to Feng Sui and Tai Chi .
If anything , the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the " wisdom " of " ancient culture " , while rejecting " western science " as commercialized or " closed minded " .
It is unfortunate as well , because they can not defend themselves , so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.Nonsense .
College campuses and left-leaning political movements are chock-full of people willing to jump to the defense of any culture which incorporated mysticism .
If you want evidence , just attended any protest put on by " environmental " groups , and ask a random person about their spiritualism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that in our rush to be certain about our world, we are often too eager to dismiss the ideas of ancient people.The continued popularity of Judaism - and it's offspring, Christianity and Islam - tends to counter your claim.
As does the number of people who have adopted various older forms of beliefs, from Paganism to Buddhism to Feng Sui and Tai Chi.
If anything, the opposite of your claim is true - people tend to have a knee jerk tendency to accept the "wisdom" of "ancient culture", while rejecting "western science" as commercialized or "closed minded".
It is unfortunate as well, because they cannot defend themselves, so they are especially easy prey for academics looking for notoriety.Nonsense.
College campuses and left-leaning political movements are chock-full of people willing to jump to the defense of any culture which incorporated mysticism.
If you want evidence, just attended any protest put on by "environmental" groups, and ask a random person about their spiritualism.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680582</id>
	<title>At Last An Alien Landing Site</title>
	<author>mindbrane</author>
	<datestamp>1262864340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>at a site called Puka</p></div><p>That was no meteorite, that's where Harvey's spaceship touched down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>at a site called PukaThat was no meteorite , that 's where Harvey 's spaceship touched down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at a site called PukaThat was no meteorite, that's where Harvey's spaceship touched down.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30682766</id>
	<title>Re:Always more to the legends and stories...</title>
	<author>pnewhook</author>
	<datestamp>1262881620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Dying off of cultures and civilizations is a natural process. What must be preserved is their collective knowledge. Written records of their stories may one day prove to be a giant shortcut for future research.</p></div><p>Hey!  We could do that to the Americans!  Ok, for everyone that lives in the US, write down what you know and send it to someone who lives in another country. That way when your country self destructs, your knowledge and culture will be preserved.  Kinda like the Romans.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dying off of cultures and civilizations is a natural process .
What must be preserved is their collective knowledge .
Written records of their stories may one day prove to be a giant shortcut for future research.Hey !
We could do that to the Americans !
Ok , for everyone that lives in the US , write down what you know and send it to someone who lives in another country .
That way when your country self destructs , your knowledge and culture will be preserved .
Kinda like the Romans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dying off of cultures and civilizations is a natural process.
What must be preserved is their collective knowledge.
Written records of their stories may one day prove to be a giant shortcut for future research.Hey!
We could do that to the Americans!
Ok, for everyone that lives in the US, write down what you know and send it to someone who lives in another country.
That way when your country self destructs, your knowledge and culture will be preserved.
Kinda like the Romans.
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	<title>Aboriginal?</title>
	<author>M8e</author>
	<datestamp>1262869380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How unoriginal!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How unoriginal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How unoriginal!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680726</id>
	<title>Re:Always more to the legends and stories...</title>
	<author>Ceriel Nosforit</author>
	<datestamp>1262866740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking of dying cultures, I can hardly believe I'm reading comments like this modded up. I think we've come far in not being the ones who dismiss the knowledge of our ancestors. When I first became a reg on this site it felt like my fellow slashdotters were trying to wipe my memory and reinstall Linux when I voiced such opinions.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:b</p><p>Knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Feels good man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of dying cultures , I can hardly believe I 'm reading comments like this modded up .
I think we 've come far in not being the ones who dismiss the knowledge of our ancestors .
When I first became a reg on this site it felt like my fellow slashdotters were trying to wipe my memory and reinstall Linux when I voiced such opinions .
: bKnowledge for the sake of knowledge .
Feels good man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of dying cultures, I can hardly believe I'm reading comments like this modded up.
I think we've come far in not being the ones who dismiss the knowledge of our ancestors.
When I first became a reg on this site it felt like my fellow slashdotters were trying to wipe my memory and reinstall Linux when I voiced such opinions.
:bKnowledge for the sake of knowledge.
Feels good man.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Puka?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262873100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Next town over from Ralpha...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Next town over from Ralpha.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Next town over from Ralpha...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680862</id>
	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1262868360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All myths have a basis in true events in regards to how they came to be - a story of certain function grown out of particular community. Some just took "artist license" in regards to their narrative further than the others, so to speak.</p><p>It would be also a good idea to look at <i>all</i> myths like that if you want to wonder about them. "Western" ones aren't any more enlighted. Ancient ones or belonging to indigenous people living today are also regarded as more or less factual, by their adherents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All myths have a basis in true events in regards to how they came to be - a story of certain function grown out of particular community .
Some just took " artist license " in regards to their narrative further than the others , so to speak.It would be also a good idea to look at all myths like that if you want to wonder about them .
" Western " ones are n't any more enlighted .
Ancient ones or belonging to indigenous people living today are also regarded as more or less factual , by their adherents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All myths have a basis in true events in regards to how they came to be - a story of certain function grown out of particular community.
Some just took "artist license" in regards to their narrative further than the others, so to speak.It would be also a good idea to look at all myths like that if you want to wonder about them.
"Western" ones aren't any more enlighted.
Ancient ones or belonging to indigenous people living today are also regarded as more or less factual, by their adherents.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Emu Dreaming</title>
	<author>idji</author>
	<datestamp>1262863920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A very recent <a href="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2010/01/orr\_20100103.mp3" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">podcast</a> [abc.net.au] with <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/ockhamsrazor/stories/2010/2770710.htm#transcript" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">transcript</a> [abc.net.au] (3. Jan 2010) called <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/ockhamsrazor/stories/2010/2770710.htm#transcript" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">Aboriginal Astronomy</a> [abc.net.au] from <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn" title="abc.net.au" rel="nofollow">Radio Australia</a> [abc.net.au] was about this topic, referring to this book <a href="http://www.emudreaming.com/book.htm" title="emudreaming.com" rel="nofollow">Emu Dreaming</a> [emudreaming.com] by <a href="http://www.atnf.csiro.au/people/rnorris/" title="csiro.au" rel="nofollow">Ray Norris</a> [csiro.au]</htmltext>
<tokenext>A very recent podcast [ abc.net.au ] with transcript [ abc.net.au ] ( 3 .
Jan 2010 ) called Aboriginal Astronomy [ abc.net.au ] from Radio Australia [ abc.net.au ] was about this topic , referring to this book Emu Dreaming [ emudreaming.com ] by Ray Norris [ csiro.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A very recent podcast [abc.net.au] with transcript [abc.net.au] (3.
Jan 2010) called Aboriginal Astronomy [abc.net.au] from Radio Australia [abc.net.au] was about this topic, referring to this book Emu Dreaming [emudreaming.com] by Ray Norris [csiro.au]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680474</id>
	<title>I'm highly skeptical.</title>
	<author>FlyingSquidStudios</author>
	<datestamp>1262862600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Earth has been hit literally countless times by meteors and the best places to find craters are ones which have very sparse vegetation like Australia (there are around 25 known craters in Australia). The fact that they tell 'lots of stories' about stars falling out the sky with a noise like thunder coupled with the relative commonality of impact craters on the continent along with the fact that there was not a precise location, just a general area, makes it sound an awful lot like coincidence.

I'm not dismissing it entirely, but it makes the connection seem a little weak to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Earth has been hit literally countless times by meteors and the best places to find craters are ones which have very sparse vegetation like Australia ( there are around 25 known craters in Australia ) .
The fact that they tell 'lots of stories ' about stars falling out the sky with a noise like thunder coupled with the relative commonality of impact craters on the continent along with the fact that there was not a precise location , just a general area , makes it sound an awful lot like coincidence .
I 'm not dismissing it entirely , but it makes the connection seem a little weak to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Earth has been hit literally countless times by meteors and the best places to find craters are ones which have very sparse vegetation like Australia (there are around 25 known craters in Australia).
The fact that they tell 'lots of stories' about stars falling out the sky with a noise like thunder coupled with the relative commonality of impact craters on the continent along with the fact that there was not a precise location, just a general area, makes it sound an awful lot like coincidence.
I'm not dismissing it entirely, but it makes the connection seem a little weak to me.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Old news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262867460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I saw that crater from a vantage point during September.</p><p>The guide told us the dream story and that it was a crater. Old, weathered info signs said the same. I did not get any specifics, but everything I heard and saw makes me believe that this has been known for a long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw that crater from a vantage point during September.The guide told us the dream story and that it was a crater .
Old , weathered info signs said the same .
I did not get any specifics , but everything I heard and saw makes me believe that this has been known for a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw that crater from a vantage point during September.The guide told us the dream story and that it was a crater.
Old, weathered info signs said the same.
I did not get any specifics, but everything I heard and saw makes me believe that this has been known for a long time.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Always more to the legends and stories...</title>
	<author>hwyhobo</author>
	<datestamp>1262862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Indigenous culture here is dying off at an alarming rate, and little care is aimed at this travesty.</p></div><p>Dying off of cultures and civilizations is a natural process. What must be preserved is their collective knowledge. Written records of their stories may one day prove to be a giant shortcut for future research.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Indigenous culture here is dying off at an alarming rate , and little care is aimed at this travesty.Dying off of cultures and civilizations is a natural process .
What must be preserved is their collective knowledge .
Written records of their stories may one day prove to be a giant shortcut for future research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Indigenous culture here is dying off at an alarming rate, and little care is aimed at this travesty.Dying off of cultures and civilizations is a natural process.
What must be preserved is their collective knowledge.
Written records of their stories may one day prove to be a giant shortcut for future research.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment10_01_07_0434223.30680602</id>
	<title>Coordinates!</title>
	<author>Cappella</author>
	<datestamp>1262864640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>132.7102717<br>-24.0527939</p><p>So that you don't have to hunt for it like I do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>132.7102717-24.0527939So that you do n't have to hunt for it like I do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>132.7102717-24.0527939So that you don't have to hunt for it like I do.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1262862840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Such things are worthless if there's no evidence to back them up.</p><p>All those myths get warped radically when they're passed from one generation to another. By the time we hear them, there are good chances they indicate nothing of use, even if they refer to a real event.</p><p>Take something more recent and well known such as the tale of the Little Red Riding Hood, for instance. The original had the wolf leave the grandma's meat and blood for the girl to eat, then asked her to strip naked and throw the clothing into a fire. It's a story that's familiar to pretty much everybody, yet few people know it wasn't always like the modern version.</p><p>Then there's plenty mythology that has absolutely nothing to do with reality.</p><p>Mythology is certainly interesting enough to study, but I wouldn't put much weight into it as "transmitted wisdom of the ancient people", since by the time we find about it a lot of that isn't even what the ancient people used to tell each other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such things are worthless if there 's no evidence to back them up.All those myths get warped radically when they 're passed from one generation to another .
By the time we hear them , there are good chances they indicate nothing of use , even if they refer to a real event.Take something more recent and well known such as the tale of the Little Red Riding Hood , for instance .
The original had the wolf leave the grandma 's meat and blood for the girl to eat , then asked her to strip naked and throw the clothing into a fire .
It 's a story that 's familiar to pretty much everybody , yet few people know it was n't always like the modern version.Then there 's plenty mythology that has absolutely nothing to do with reality.Mythology is certainly interesting enough to study , but I would n't put much weight into it as " transmitted wisdom of the ancient people " , since by the time we find about it a lot of that is n't even what the ancient people used to tell each other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such things are worthless if there's no evidence to back them up.All those myths get warped radically when they're passed from one generation to another.
By the time we hear them, there are good chances they indicate nothing of use, even if they refer to a real event.Take something more recent and well known such as the tale of the Little Red Riding Hood, for instance.
The original had the wolf leave the grandma's meat and blood for the girl to eat, then asked her to strip naked and throw the clothing into a fire.
It's a story that's familiar to pretty much everybody, yet few people know it wasn't always like the modern version.Then there's plenty mythology that has absolutely nothing to do with reality.Mythology is certainly interesting enough to study, but I wouldn't put much weight into it as "transmitted wisdom of the ancient people", since by the time we find about it a lot of that isn't even what the ancient people used to tell each other.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262863020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It is the nature of folklore that it's very difficult to disentangle any truths which it may enclose, from the rest of the matter.  Sometimes the truth is like the particle of grit that begins the formation of a pearl.  Sure there's an element of truth in there, somewhere, but you have to dig pretty enthusiastically to expose it.</p><p>A myth or story that has been around for centuries, especially in an oral tradition, is going to have a great many variations, additions, omissions, interpretations and translations.  Can truth be had from them?  Maybe.  Can truth be had from them <strong>reliably</strong>?  No.</p><p>As such I think its very reasonable that when faced with these myths, we will often prefer a observation and experimentation as a mechanism of accessing the truth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is the nature of folklore that it 's very difficult to disentangle any truths which it may enclose , from the rest of the matter .
Sometimes the truth is like the particle of grit that begins the formation of a pearl .
Sure there 's an element of truth in there , somewhere , but you have to dig pretty enthusiastically to expose it.A myth or story that has been around for centuries , especially in an oral tradition , is going to have a great many variations , additions , omissions , interpretations and translations .
Can truth be had from them ?
Maybe. Can truth be had from them reliably ?
No.As such I think its very reasonable that when faced with these myths , we will often prefer a observation and experimentation as a mechanism of accessing the truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is the nature of folklore that it's very difficult to disentangle any truths which it may enclose, from the rest of the matter.
Sometimes the truth is like the particle of grit that begins the formation of a pearl.
Sure there's an element of truth in there, somewhere, but you have to dig pretty enthusiastically to expose it.A myth or story that has been around for centuries, especially in an oral tradition, is going to have a great many variations, additions, omissions, interpretations and translations.
Can truth be had from them?
Maybe.  Can truth be had from them reliably?
No.As such I think its very reasonable that when faced with these myths, we will often prefer a observation and experimentation as a mechanism of accessing the truth.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Better not an aboriginee dreamer in ur backyard...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262859900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or keep hiding under the table at night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or keep hiding under the table at night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or keep hiding under the table at night.</sentencetext>
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	<title>A quick search on google maps?</title>
	<author>AlphaBit</author>
	<datestamp>1262889420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know that google maps has been used like this before, but it amazes me every time that this very same tool is available to everyone for free.
<br> <br>
The FA didn't talk about any fieldwork that might have been done to gather/clarify the folklore, but the rest of it seems like it could have been done from a bathtub with a smartphone!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that google maps has been used like this before , but it amazes me every time that this very same tool is available to everyone for free .
The FA did n't talk about any fieldwork that might have been done to gather/clarify the folklore , but the rest of it seems like it could have been done from a bathtub with a smartphone !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that google maps has been used like this before, but it amazes me every time that this very same tool is available to everyone for free.
The FA didn't talk about any fieldwork that might have been done to gather/clarify the folklore, but the rest of it seems like it could have been done from a bathtub with a smartphone!</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'm highly skeptical.</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1262864940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With those magnificent dark skies the Aboriginal people must have seen a lot of brilliant fireballs over the millenia. Some would generate a shock wave as well. For every crater on the ground I am sure many meteors were seen in the sky.</p><p>When you sleep in the open you spend a lot of time staring straight up...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With those magnificent dark skies the Aboriginal people must have seen a lot of brilliant fireballs over the millenia .
Some would generate a shock wave as well .
For every crater on the ground I am sure many meteors were seen in the sky.When you sleep in the open you spend a lot of time staring straight up.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With those magnificent dark skies the Aboriginal people must have seen a lot of brilliant fireballs over the millenia.
Some would generate a shock wave as well.
For every crater on the ground I am sure many meteors were seen in the sky.When you sleep in the open you spend a lot of time staring straight up...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Always more to the legends and stories...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1262861100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It's just too bad that so much of the Indigenous Australian's stories are "turned aside" by Western culture; they've been here AT LEAST 75,000 years (and most likely far longer than that) and there is so much within the framework of the Dreamtime stories and legends that bespeak heaps of extremely interesting occurrences - cosmic, geological and human. There's much more to be learned from studying what is left of their culture - and it's extremely important to preserve what we have now - for future generations. The Indigenous culture here is dying off at an alarming rate, and little care is aimed at this travesty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just too bad that so much of the Indigenous Australian 's stories are " turned aside " by Western culture ; they 've been here AT LEAST 75,000 years ( and most likely far longer than that ) and there is so much within the framework of the Dreamtime stories and legends that bespeak heaps of extremely interesting occurrences - cosmic , geological and human .
There 's much more to be learned from studying what is left of their culture - and it 's extremely important to preserve what we have now - for future generations .
The Indigenous culture here is dying off at an alarming rate , and little care is aimed at this travesty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just too bad that so much of the Indigenous Australian's stories are "turned aside" by Western culture; they've been here AT LEAST 75,000 years (and most likely far longer than that) and there is so much within the framework of the Dreamtime stories and legends that bespeak heaps of extremely interesting occurrences - cosmic, geological and human.
There's much more to be learned from studying what is left of their culture - and it's extremely important to preserve what we have now - for future generations.
The Indigenous culture here is dying off at an alarming rate, and little care is aimed at this travesty.</sentencetext>
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